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assbot: dpaste: 2RDCJRD ... ( http://bit.ly/1TTnuQB )
BingoBoingo: Honestly as few fillipenis as stumbled onto node must wonder what the fuck they "wallet" with
mircea_popescu: lol hanbot
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 117686 @ 0.00071235 = 83.8336 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75845 @ 0.00069214 = 52.4954 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: meanwhile "5 points 86% upvoted" ... how does this work ?
mircea_popescu: reddit forked math ?
BingoBoingo: A long long time ago, I can still remember the day... Mathematics died
hanbot: American Pi
BingoBoingo: OH, now that I mentioned it the SPV niggers are clogging up my errors
trinque has learned that beeper services are few and dwindling
trinque: I'm thinking I could do everything I ever wanted by sending beeper alphanumeric messages which designate some URL whose contents are gpg'd
trinque: so you drive along, you do that, you slurp messages from wifi as you can and want to
trinque: whoever said a guy wanted or needed to be accessible 24/7
BingoBoingo: What pager listens on 2.4 or 5 ghz
trinque: no no
trinque: thought was you could page yourself URLs as a means of signaling
BingoBoingo: Also those baud rates, a bitcoind couldn't keep up
trinque: then you go grab the dpaste url or whatever it is from wherever you like
trinque: and decrypt
BingoBoingo: Do you remember 14.4kbps fax hell?
trinque: my first modem was 28.8, found its screech soothing
trinque: least I think it was 28.8; I was rather young
assbot: Pager99 - Pager, Pagers, Paging, Beeper, Beepers ... ( http://bit.ly/1E4mFCn )
BingoBoingo: We are talking an ancient time when not the actual mp3, but the peers to find it took minutes
trinque: napster -> winmx -> directconnect -> gnutella
trinque: I think that was the beginning of my progression anyway
trinque: of them winmx was the most hackery-looking, and therefore the best
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68950 @ 0.00071651 = 49.4034 BTC [+]
danielpbarron got gentoo on his new iron
danielpbarron: trinque, why do you tell lilo to look in sdb ?
trinque: it's meant to be edited, but it really depends on whether you're targeting a USB stick or the hard drive inside
trinque: depends upon the order in which the drives are enumerated
danielpbarron: oh that was meant specifically to make a bootable flash drive?
danielpbarron: anyhoo i figured it out
trinque: yep
trinque: cool
mats: my read here is this guy is probably an idiot
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12100 @ 0.00073151 = 8.8513 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 370503 | Current Difficulty: 5.269984240934701E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 370943 | Next Difficulty In: 440 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 22 hours, 24 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
punkman: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 232.74, vol: 22104.99845004 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 228.475, vol: 15111.77 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 233.01, vol: 135247.89036003 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 230.01, vol: 30.44604167 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 233.666937, vol: 30038.59510000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 233.55, vol: 703.94647149 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 239.003988935, vol: 132.0671135 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: !up brg444
mike_c: i missed the memo, we're all selling now?
brg444: evening!
brg444: did not find anything in the log. was this lulz discussed here : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1156489.0
assbot: Bitcoin XT has code which downloads your IP address to facilitate blacklisting ... ( http://bit.ly/1J3daAd )
pete_dushenski: mike_c: selling btc to buy s.mpoe y'know
mike_c: srsly
mike_c: just note, there's another random theory in the dust (mpoe correlated to btc price)
mike_c: random walk ftw
pete_dushenski: give it time, there's always a lag for these sorts of things
assbot: I, Asstoshi, original creator of Buttcoin, have returned. AMA : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1J3dnDE )
brg444: mircea_popescu I happen to have misplaced the email pertinent my trilema.com information access. what would be standard procedure to retrieve said password?
mircea_popescu: brg444 was not, i don't think anyone seriously read that thing.
mircea_popescu: brg444 getting a new one, pretty much.
mircea_popescu: mike_c which way would it correlate ? up or down ?
mircea_popescu: seems it does each about 50% of the time.
mike_c: yeah, who knows
assbot: So the broomstick fired. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1J3duik )
brg444: i see
mircea_popescu: so shitcoin-xt is built to run on windows 10 natively i gather ?
punkman: the only local traders I've found so far want 300-400eur per coin :/
mircea_popescu: kudos to the shitdev team!
punkman: (because alt-eurocoin here)
pete_dushenski: punkman: what kind of qty is that for ?
assbot: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin XTs Tor IP blacklist downloading system has significant privacy leaks. ... ( http://bit.ly/1J3dCOY )
punkman: pete_dushenski: I doubt they have any serious qty
brg444: where may I find most up to date instruction as to how to register with assbot?
mircea_popescu: "Connections are made over clearnet even when using a proxy or onlynet=tor, which leaks connections on the P2P network with the real location of the node. Knowledge of this traffic along with uptime metrics from bitnodes.io can allow observers to easily correlate the location and identity of persons running Shitcoin-XT nodes."
pete_dushenski: punkman: i only ask because localbitcoins sellers in canada seem to tap out at $1500
mircea_popescu: brg444 see the chapter called "first steps"
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: time to inform mr and mrs old timey derpminers, the qntra ones
punkman: oh apparently I can send 500eur per month outside of greece now! lol
pete_dushenski: 'toomin bros bitcoin mining concern ltd'
pete_dushenski: 'We conduct our business in a way that protects the blockchain against plurality attacks, and our planet's climate against warming. We hope you'll join us.'
pete_dushenski: they seem to to be located in ben_vulpes' corner of the world
brg444: !register 4A0363951AFA090B6C221787E2F23DB84A63EC22
assbot: Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: 4A0363951AFA090B6C221787E2F23DB84A63EC22. This may take a few moments.
assbot: No valid OpenPGP data found on pgp.mit.edu.
pete_dushenski: might take a few minutes if it's a new key
punkman: so this is a curious tidbit from updated capital control rulez. No early repayment of loans unless you are paying cash, foreign bank wire, or refinancing with new loan.
mircea_popescu: how else ?
punkman: domestic bank wire
mircea_popescu: writing's on the wall, you'll get "stabilized".
mircea_popescu: what did cypriots get hit with, 84% ?
mircea_popescu: they're still negotiating it, obviously, which is why the rule. but i doubt it'll be under 70%.
brg444: Hi pete. What qualifies as new in that case? It is one I created a few months ago following the instructions on your blog..
punkman: wasn't nearly as bad in cyprus
pete_dushenski: brg444: hm. new is minutes not months.
brg444: Yes. That would make sense
mircea_popescu: punkman yeah iut was ?
assbot: Time for Europe to repeal the US-backed AML crap. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1J3esew )
punkman: mircea_popescu: I meant compare to .gr, not your percentages
mircea_popescu: balance 849k euro, available 128k euro
pete_dushenski: brg444: look for 'send to keyserver' if you're using a gui app.
mircea_popescu: oh. yeah, but quickly diminshing returns. something like 86-88% is probably right.
brg444: Done, wait a few I guess?
mircea_popescu: meaning that if you had a 1mn euro loan, and a 1mn euro bank deposit, you just lost enough to buy twelve houses.
pete_dushenski: brg444: yup
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: lest we forget that italy did !
pete_dushenski: repeal. for bitcoin bizniz.
assbot: No results found ... ( http://bit.ly/1J3eAed )
mircea_popescu: punkman and they're derping about for a few weeks while people can get a few hundreds out so the poor people can slowly leech their accounts during the interval.
mircea_popescu: "decrease social costs", ie, lose less votes.
punkman: hmm trying to find exact numbers from cyprus bail-in but it's all spammy blog posts
pete_dushenski: i seem to recall 40-50%
mircea_popescu: not like they ever told the truth.
punkman: I bet some russians lost 80%
punkman: "As part of the deal, BoC absorbed the loans and insured deposits of Laiki, formerly the second-biggest bank, after its uninsured deposits had been comprehensively bailed in. The new bank was then recapitalised by converting 47.5% of BoC’s uninsured deposits into equity."
mircea_popescu: the thing is... even after that cyprus thing, there were still peopel thick enough to keep money in greek banks.
mircea_popescu: and even today, there's people with dollars in us banks etc.
mircea_popescu: there's truly no curing human idiocy. butcher them and lay em out in the sun is the only cure.
punkman: yes that's the only reason I keep mentioning the greek situation. Tomorrow it's gonna be you.
mircea_popescu: well, not me, but yes, everyone who "had no alternative".
punkman: for some values of you, yes
mircea_popescu: do not ask whom the fiat sovereigns fleece, my friend... for they fleece you.
cazalla: ;;later tell bitstein ofn, i published an article on that like a month ago, not sure why it is back in the news cycle again
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: !up BananaLotus
cazalla: i expect today's logs shall be good
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1242024 <<< nope, 4chan is a sjw safe place these days
assbot: Logged on 18-08-2015 10:56:14; shinohai: ^ next she should go take on 4chan racists
pete_dushenski: BananaLotus: are you the banana troll from the contravex comments ?
assbot: Explicit cookie consent | The Economist ... ( http://bit.ly/1J3h0JN )
mircea_popescu: this being 4chan's what, 4th ? 5th ? alignment to boring ?
pete_dushenski: bi, vox, economist, everyone's takin' their potshots
mircea_popescu: what else is a media good for!
punkman: Guardian: "Bitcoin's forked: chief scientist launches alternative proposal for the currency"
mircea_popescu: and no word about teh found satoshi, hm ?
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: pictures of new jersey ?
mircea_popescu recalls how excited they were over this, a year ago. almost looked like it's a thing that matters, to hear them talk.
mircea_popescu: but now, suddenlyt, somehow, not any longer.
mike_c: ;;ticker --market bitfinex
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 235.57, Best ask: 235.58, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 235.72, 24 hour volume: 135720.2893984, 24 hour low: 162.0, 24 hour high: 258.18, 24 hour vwap: None
mircea_popescu: ah if only satoshi had the foresight to not piss all over the face of usg!
mircea_popescu: how famous and important he could have been.
mircea_popescu: "chief scientist of a fraudulent foundation run by some people we've still, somehow, magically, not gotten around to investigating. hurr."
mike_c: too much drama for me. i'm going to bed.
mircea_popescu: sleep tight.
punkman: "BitBeat: Bitcoin’s Noisy Size Debate Reaches a Hard Fork" some hilarious titles
mike_c: this terminology.. how is yet another altcoin a hard fork
mircea_popescu: if only bitfinex was worth twoi shits, and the planned price movement caught on, and all the alt-articles they tabled could have been published. aww what a glorious day could have been.
punkman: BBC: "Bitcoin could split in debate over currency's future"
mircea_popescu: mike_c how is osama a terrorist and obama a peace prize winner ?
mike_c: yeah, i'm just too tired to keep even keel. they are annoying me today. just stop fucking with it so we can do some useful things.
mircea_popescu: not like you have to read the fishwrappers.
punkman: sorry for triggering mike_c
mike_c: well, i don't. but some of it leaks in here :)
punkman: Vox: "Bitcoin is on the verge of a constitutional crisis"
mike_c: hehe
mircea_popescu: i kinda have a lulz reading the stuff now and again, but yeah, too much can readily bristle one.
pete_dushenski: bi "A bitcoin civil war is threatening to tear the digital currency in two"
pete_dushenski: one side: scammers, other side:...
mircea_popescu: must suck to be this powerless, after having imagined oneself almighty.
mircea_popescu commiserates.
mike_c: that part i do enjoy. when the flailing subsides and they just look stupid.
assbot: Greece to Receive 1,000 Bitcoin ATMs as Trust in Banks ‘Long Gone’ ... ( http://bit.ly/1NjAf86 )
pete_dushenski: ^sounds very 2013
mircea_popescu: yeah, right. because they're going to pay in goats.
mircea_popescu: the goat-to-btc atm.
pete_dushenski: baaatoshi
punkman: they are Turks, so they probably could deal with goats
mircea_popescu: ajhahahaha
mike_c: hehe. is that coinion thing still going?
mircea_popescu: punkman amusingly, reviewing the (little) record from the 1700s, what the turks wanted from turkish part of romania was : a) sheep ; b) women. a distant 3rd, wax and honey.
mike_c: aww, doesn't look like it. too bad, they were funny
pete_dushenski: mike_c: looks like it's been a full year since a tweet outta 'coinion;
mike_c: and the domain is dead
mircea_popescu: i don't readily recall anything of theirs. what was funniest ?
mike_c: you offered to pay them
pete_dushenski: mike_c: talk about a market opportunity
mike_c: if they published x articles
mike_c: !s from:mircea_popescu coinion
assbot: 0 results for 'from:mircea_popescu coinion' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Amircea_popescu+coinion
pete_dushenski: "Many of the newcomers filing in on Mondays may not be there in a few years. The company’s winners dream up innovations that they roll out to a quarter-billion customers and accrue small fortunes in soaring stock. Losers leave or are fired in annual cullings of the staff — “purposeful Darwinism,”"
pete_dushenski: “Nearly every person I worked with, I saw cry at their desk.”
mircea_popescu: what novel gunk is this ?
pete_dushenski: scamazon
punkman: ahaha
assbot: Logged on 20-07-2014 21:36:28; mircea_popescu: http://www.theonion.com/articles/openminded-man-grimly-realizes-how-much-life-hes-w,19273/ << the end of fucking days, when the parody sites are more truthful than the "serious" networks.
mike_c: doh, wrong one
mike_c: can't find it.
mike_c: anyway, bed for realz. later all.
punkman: "This email is to notify that your following domains have been automatically renewed as per your request and the amount was debited from your Credit Card" oh nice, can't keep spending the bitcoins here
pete_dushenski: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/16/technology/inside-amazon-wrestling-big-ideas-in-a-bruising-workplace.html << for anyone who wants to read why u.s. workplace culture is done like turkey dinner, this is supposed to be 'edgy' and 'controversial'
assbot: Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1J3itQj )
punkman: http://www.coindesk.com/events/consensus-2015/ that's even better than the "scalability workshops"
assbot: Consensus 2015 - TimesCenter, New York, 10th September ... ( http://bit.ly/1NjBp3m )
mircea_popescu: bwahahaha.
mircea_popescu: demo-craci. based on the happenstance that the way you say "ankles to ears" in romanian is "umeri-craci"
mircea_popescu: ahahaha what.
pete_dushenski: the agent is... her husband
mircea_popescu: i feel very confused, because i thought the anon derp in question was really part of the team that arrested miloshevich
mircea_popescu: no no wait. she was on the ship that discovered antarctica. which is why it was called antartibelle. right ?
mircea_popescu: that's not right either. was she the inventor of savarines ? which were then named after her ?
mircea_popescu: memory fails me. but i'm sure nobody on twitter is nevertheless a major force in things and such.
pete_dushenski: she was the one who married the beast, who turned out to be an enchanted prince, who turned out to be an fbi agent
punkman lost the plot
mircea_popescu: punkman that's the sort of anarcho-patriarchist attitude that keeps women down under tech and stuff.
pete_dushenski: oz women like it like that.
assbot: New Scholarships Aim to Boost Diversity in Blockchain Space ... ( http://bit.ly/1NjCSGO )
pete_dushenski: sponsored by intel ?
mircea_popescu: "blockchain space" ?!
mircea_popescu: o right right, because in their alt-reality it's not really the bitcoin, it's "the blockchain technologee". nearly forgot.
mircea_popescu: "DI$RUPTIV3 @BitcoinBelle · Jan 6 You are far grander than you think you are. Dare to blow your own mind with how bold and beautiful you can be."
mircea_popescu: holy shit, i actually... called it ?
mircea_popescu: hey dumb women... y u so predictable ?
mircea_popescu: this is why smart women dun like you.
assbot: Logged on 18-08-2015 19:23:56; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1242168 << it is, lol. check out the idiot. 3 years, up 64x. 4 more years, up 32x. 5 more years, up 2x.
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1242457 << nah. i'm just getting closer to the age you were when you penned that one
assbot: Logged on 18-08-2015 19:21:51; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1242153 << i take it pete read http://trilema.com/2011/in-sprijinul-eugeniei/ ? somehow ?
pete_dushenski: bringing up the rear !
punkman: oh now BitcoinBelle makes sense
assbot: Alibi Routing ... ( http://bit.ly/1NjIBwy )
assbot: Coinwallet Plans Spam While the Spamming is Cheap | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1TTmEmV )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74600 @ 0.00070871 = 52.8698 BTC [-] {5}
mircea_popescu: ftr they have been available for a week or so.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27246 @ 0.00072394 = 19.7245 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41800 @ 0.00073366 = 30.667 BTC [+] {7}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20100 @ 0.00070407 = 14.1518 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45950 @ 0.00069265 = 31.8273 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37700 @ 0.00069123 = 26.0594 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61427 @ 0.00068938 = 42.3465 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65235 @ 0.00069218 = 45.1544 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53660 @ 0.00071248 = 38.2317 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25744 @ 0.00070497 = 18.1487 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42500 @ 0.00070819 = 30.0981 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25150 @ 0.00070928 = 17.8384 BTC [+]
assbot: Man Accidentally Shoots Self While Guarding 'Muslim-Free' Oktaha - NewsOn6.com - Tulsa, OK - News, Weather, Video and Sports - KOTV.com | ... ( http://bit.ly/1gX73pM )
shinohai: And kek punkman
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35650 @ 0.00070019 = 24.9618 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45936 @ 0.00071621 = 32.8998 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41660 @ 0.00073719 = 30.7113 BTC [+] {3}
BingoBoingo: Oh Arse Technica just ran Hearn's blogpost as an Op Ed
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6847 @ 0.00071673 = 4.9075 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 92 @ 0.01109999 = 1.0212 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36928 @ 0.00072149 = 26.6432 BTC [+]
mats: lots of mpoe moves while i snoozed
mats: =[
assbot: Hardware Side Channels in the Cloud – Trail of Bits Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1HVMXlj )
lobbes: !rated mircea_popescu
assbot: You rated user mircea_popescu on 03-Dec-2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: trilema credits.
lobbes: !rate mircea_popescu 2 trilema credits. Also, he's Mircea Popescu
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19350 @ 0.00072149 = 13.9608 BTC [+]
lobbes: !v assbot:lobbes.rate.mircea_popescu.2:35cce31048bc91c01a66740c03efd1ecfb4e03d9f886368d14d61a26f176948f
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for mircea_popescu from 1 to 2 with note: trilema credits. Also, he's Mircea Popescu
mats: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-08-2015#1236371 << windows will actually scan memory for magic bytes and use it
assbot: Logged on 12-08-2015 21:41:42; ascii_field: 'nstead, a file called "wpbbin.exe" was placed in C:\windows\system32 and executed. That turns out to be a method Microsoft introduced with Windows 8 to allow the BIOS to execute code on boot up (!?!) called "Windows Platform Binary Table (WPBT)". I can find almost NOTHING about this anywhere on the internet except a single document on Microsoft's website (link to the Google Cache since it's a .docx fil
asciilifeform: mats: aha.
asciilifeform: mats: folks were getting wise to the old-fashioned diddled boot sector. therefore, this.
mats: a guy i know had this fun fact: You can bypass mmap_min_addr on Linux via iopl. You basically need root, but even root is not supposed to be able to do that.
asciilifeform: http://www.troyhunt.com/2015/07/heres-how-im-going-to-handle-ashley.html << watch the 'responsible disclosure' twerps stuff head farther than ever thought possible up own arse
assbot: Troy Hunt: Here’s how I’m going to handle the Ashley Madison data ... ( http://bit.ly/1HVOnfF )
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: this patch does not work as described, on account of boost idiocy (removal of items from the hash does not invoke their destructures! believe)
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: at some point i will write a working version of it.
asciilifeform: when - i do not know.
thestringpuller: the intent is to jettison the entire pool? (hopefully I'm reading the patch correctly). mod6 informed me of the boost datastructure idiocy
thestringpuller: i was going to mess around with it
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: must understand, this was intended solely for laboratory purposes
asciilifeform: that is, to discover whether there are non-mempool-related leaks
thestringpuller: ah. it's a first step to mempool filtering once boost actually jettison's and poops the unwanted data, freeing memory.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-08-2015#1243805 << 'even root'. what nonsense is this. root isn't root if he can't, e.g., operate a dma-capable device on the bus and flip arbitrary bits
assbot: Logged on 19-08-2015 14:30:26; mats: a guy i know had this fun fact: You can bypass mmap_min_addr on Linux via iopl. You basically need root, but even root is not supposed to be able to do that.
assbot: Logged on 19-08-2015 14:34:40; thestringpuller: ah. it's a first step to mempool filtering once boost actually jettison's and poops the unwanted data, freeing memory.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-08-2015#1243763 << do we have a mirror ? if not, why not ?
assbot: Logged on 19-08-2015 08:38:36; mircea_popescu: ftr they have been available for a week or so.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: 'Consensus 2015 is working with MIT Media Lab's Digital Currency Initiative to boost diversity in the cryptocurrency space by offering 50 Consensus Scholarships to young women and people of colour.' << glorious
asciilifeform: does each one of the 50 muppets get a fed-backed altcoin ?
mats regrets not being an american indian black disabled LGBT veteran
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-08-2015#1243747 << does mircea_popescu remember the thread about the fight of monkey vs man ? and whether the man is necessarily smarter, if cannot win. i dare say this applies here. perhaps the 'smart women' are the ones who sign up for free house and good food in cambridge, MA, sponsored by idiot usg
assbot: Logged on 19-08-2015 07:38:24; mircea_popescu: hey dumb women... y u so predictable ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.00068997 = 2.2079 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-08-2015#1243808 << destructors. for anyone actually reading this.
assbot: Logged on 19-08-2015 14:32:04; asciilifeform: thestringpuller: this patch does not work as described, on account of boost idiocy (removal of items from the hash does not invoke their destructures! believe)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75650 @ 0.00069714 = 52.7386 BTC [+]
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mod6: <+thestringpuller> the intent is to jettison the entire pool? (hopefully I'm reading the patch correctly). mod6 informed me of the boost datastructure idiocy << wait, wat?!
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thestringpuller: mod6: my bad BingoBoingo informed me of the data structure idiocy
mod6: did you add that patch to your currently running node on aws?
thestringpuller: just reading the patches.
mod6: alrighty.
thestringpuller: i too am interested in the memory footprint and any potential leaks etc.
assbot: UK, Lada Cars Television / Cinema Commercial 1980 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1NuANqU )
phf: odd because map::clear documentation says "Removes all elements from the map container (which are destroyed)"
phf: elsewhere says "Invalidates any references, pointers, or iterators referring to contained elements"
phf: but then a stackoverflow answer says that std::map doesn't manage, and require for(...) delete iter->second;
phf: what fun language
phf: thestringpuller: you should try patching that patch, by adding http://www.cplusplus.com/reference/map/map/begin/, for(...) { delete iter->second; } for mapTransactions and mapNextTx in the JettisonMempool function. seems like an easy fix, i don't have my env setup at the moment
assbot: 404 Page Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1NuCMva )
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mircea_popescu: !up jborkl
mircea_popescu: mats seems it stayed around 7 and a leaf anyway
mircea_popescu: bitcoin sorely needs something like a humor outleta comic. something.
jborkl: hey guys
jborkl: whats all this non sense, hhe
mircea_popescu: they forgot "failed" and to delete "battered" in there.
jurov: ^ lame but kinda humor, too
mircea_popescu: "he data needs to be treated as “sensitive” and not available to the masses"
mircea_popescu: heh, fucktards.
punkman: someone needs to explain the bikini wax joke to me
mircea_popescu: dude... your wife is cheating on you. with me. ain't jack shit you can d oabout it, now go put on those panties she bought you and wash the fucking dishes.
mircea_popescu: and no, it has nothing to do with "big cocks".
mircea_popescu: punkman ever see a chicken get in a terrible wood saw accident, resulting in a bloodied half body strutting around as if nothing happened ?
jborkl: yeah
punkman: haven't had the pleasure
jborkl: it chills for a little bit, like all is good
mircea_popescu: well apparently you're missing a fundamental life experience that's integral to understanding a swathe of humor!
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i actually enjoy the butthurt tears of the jwz twerps. "oh, we can't pretend nothing happened now ?!?!?! hurrrrrr"
mircea_popescu: not a word about how the company in question lied to an' defrauded its "customers". not like they're about to tar and feather bitlove llc or etc.
mircea_popescu: "Hey, I know you're trying to make a point and all, but do you mind removing me from the list?" then, now AND 4EVAR!!11
[\\\]: bye felicia
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if not, why not ? << because we aren't the usg of internet. here's how the hackerteam stuff looks, by the way : http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/bw-hackerteam.png
mircea_popescu: a terrabyte's not expensive or anything. on the other hand, i'm sure i could burn an infinite amount of resources feeding the idle internet twerps.
mircea_popescu has absolutely no trust left in the value or importance of "the internet community". serving it is not unlike serving cockroaches.
mircea_popescu: let them go read the guardian or whatever the fuck it is that they do. what mirror.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> perhaps the 'smart women' are the ones who sign up for free house and good food in cambridge, MA, sponsored by idiot usg < one is not smart who must eternal lie, and with strange eons even smarts may die.
mats: lol...
mircea_popescu: anyway, she's clearly as dumb as that polyanna chick, or as boiled frogs, whichever you prefer. she looks like a marginal stripper at best. so yes, given her meagre assets, certainly living the soccer mom life of a wife of some usg twerp is much better than living the stripper life of her mates.
mircea_popescu: ra-ra-ra, gooooo BAAADGERS!!11
mats: there was a chick who looked 17 that took 5-10s to figure out $10-3.50=6.50 wtf is goin on here
mircea_popescu: * asciilifeform bbl <<< ran into similar issues with eulora. the thing is, as inconvenient as that may be, there's no actual alternative.
mircea_popescu: programmatic destructures work shittily enough you just end up with segfaults.
mats: incidentally, in cambridge, MA, at a farmer's market
mircea_popescu: jborkl well, nth abortive attempt to "rein in" btc.
mircea_popescu: !up ascii_field
mircea_popescu: mats mebbe she was playin' moe.
mats: wat is moe
assbot: Logged on 19-08-2015 15:40:35; phf: thestringpuller: you should try patching that patch, by adding http://www.cplusplus.com/reference/map/map/begin/, for(...) { delete iter->second; } for mapTransactions and mapNextTx in the JettisonMempool function. seems like an easy fix, i don't have my env setup at the moment
mircea_popescu: clearly you're not ready to go back to asia.
ascii_field: phf: that was actually my first try. it explodes in a fireball.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field exactly. which is why this is not trivial.
mircea_popescu: how was that ancient observation, "i know how to make a better garbage collector..." ?
ascii_field: it's trivial!
ascii_field: i just don't have time to do everything in one day!
assbot: Logged on 19-08-2015 16:26:51; mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> perhaps the 'smart women' are the ones who sign up for free house and good food in cambridge, MA, sponsored by idiot usg < one is not smart who must eternal lie, and with strange eons even smarts may die.
ascii_field falls down
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-08-2015#1243877 << they're still living in the 'we pushed the unhappen button and it unhappened, motherfuckerz' universe
assbot: Logged on 19-08-2015 16:14:37; mircea_popescu: not a word about how the company in question lied to an' defrauded its "customers". not like they're about to tar and feather bitlove llc or etc.
mircea_popescu: more like "the world exists to cater to me and so it SHOULD be the case this unhappened".
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mircea_popescu: bad parenting resplendant.
ascii_field: now if only they were running a reactor, or a military engagement, and were now dead
mircea_popescu: except they'd do more damage than they're worth, if they had.
ascii_field: but no, the sc4mz0rz will reconvene under a new flag and run another usg-funded scam
ascii_field: just like gavin & co
mircea_popescu: no, best is for them to marry usg twerps and live out the rest of their lives, warehoused in maryland.
mircea_popescu: inconvenient as this may be, it's still optimal.
ascii_field: wai wat, they aren't presently warehoused there ?
mircea_popescu: exactly.
mircea_popescu: but yes, re the smarts bit : what distinguishes an agent undercover in shit from a housewife made out of straight shit, is that the former has, however tenuous, however rare, a place to speak the truth straight. radically so, as the case may be.
mircea_popescu: and the fact that there's someone else at the end of the line, not merely listening but actively seeking that truth, is what drives the profession.
mircea_popescu: which is how and why the su had no trouble at all recruiting agents in the us. even though, in any sense of summary view, it made jack shit sense of some people living in abundence to confederate with some idiots powering the empire of ideologically driven poverty.
ascii_field: it made glorious sense
mircea_popescu: but only for this reason and no other.
ascii_field: needs no other.
mats: mircea_popescu: oh, some japanese thing? 'cute'?
mircea_popescu: it's not cute. it's sexually relevant helplessness.
mats: oh. well, she asked another employee for help, so i'm almost 100% sure it wasn't a play.
mats: ploy*
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-08-2015#1243924 << the one thing we're pretty much guaranteed not to see - like orwell's 'jingo with a bullet hole in him' - is one of the 'executive' twerps sweating in a cubicle, sleeping not-at-all-ad-libitum, living in a verminous flat with roommates
assbot: Logged on 19-08-2015 16:55:13; mircea_popescu: no, best is for them to marry usg twerps and live out the rest of their lives, warehoused in maryland.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field this purely psychogenic conviction of yours results from lack of exposure.
mircea_popescu: go, meet some of these "executives".
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: understand, my exposure happens every time i sit in traffic next to their mazeratis, and drive home past 100km of their mansions
mircea_popescu: wtf was that retarded movie hm
ascii_field: this picture normally fades into the background, as i've lived all of my adult life here in 'land of the warehouse'
ascii_field: but i have occasion to think about it whenever i hear mircea_popescu's hypothesis re: how 'they' are losing to 'us' in some sense
mircea_popescu: in every sense.
ascii_field: every sense but the ones available to my eyes and ears through the window ?
mircea_popescu: your window experiment is perhaps the worstly conducted experiment in the history of b-a.
phf: <ascii_field> invalidates the iterator << wouldn't that just leave a map full of pointers to free'd memory, why would delete on an instance touch the container?
punkman: !up amiller
ascii_field: phf: try it. you get a segfault on the second free
phf: i don't even
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-08-2015#1243953 << understand that naggum's point re: c++ being a language 'built and optimized by and for liars' is entirely true. what you see written on the page is not what you get! whole thing is built to lie to you.
assbot: Logged on 19-08-2015 17:09:51; phf: <ascii_field> invalidates the iterator << wouldn't that just leave a map full of pointers to free'd memory, why would delete on an instance touch the container?
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ascii_field: and, unlike most other languages (of the time), to lie in poorly-systematizable ways
mircea_popescu: you mean creatively ?
ascii_field: for your own good (tm) (r)
phf: first thing that came to my mind were naggum rants
mircea_popescu: in the end, it was not the ai lab and lisp that provided the best approximation of a computer companion.
mircea_popescu: it was C.
mircea_popescu: people have spent so much time enjoying the company of computers, for it,.
assbot: Re: is CLOS reall OO? - Naggum cll archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1UTaUmz )
assbot: Blockstream employee asking to remove Gavin from Foundation. : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1UTaVXQ )
mircea_popescu: yeah, who is that twerp again ? seems a rehash o\f the entire "twobitidiot" hangout.
mircea_popescu: and on a broader point ; post snowden, seems the usg added a new thing to their manual.
mircea_popescu: "new" anyway.
ascii_field: what part of this is new
mircea_popescu: the kneejerk, field-manual shape of it.
mircea_popescu: it's a very specific thing when a large body of idiots finally implements something for the idiots to do.
mircea_popescu: like the difference between a) linkspamming google and b) a bunch of "infoproducts" on "make money while you sleep" having been sold to the retard forums.
mircea_popescu: usg has democratized wikileaks!
mircea_popescu: "come to america - where coca cola has created christmas and the government has created democracy!"
chetty: you know its a waste of energy to hate on usg
ascii_field: chetty: i will have you know that all of my works are 100% hatred-for-usg powered.
chetty: :P
ascii_field: this is not ~strictly~ necessary - a professional exterminator (paid, as in orlov) can do his thing without emotion
ascii_field: but never an amateur one
ascii_field: who has to beg, borrow, and steal spare change for every mousetrap
chetty: now you are talking dream job, professional exterminator ...for gubermints
ascii_field: gavinspray included.
phf: make c++ object, object say "i live" in constructor, "i die" in destructor. put object map. run program: "i live. i die i die i die i die i die". wtf.
ascii_field: ahahahaha
chetty: gotta love c++
ascii_field: this is why it bugs me when folks (looking at mircea_popescu !) write 'c' and 'c++' interchangeably
phf: look, c++, i'm trying to investigate a specific issue, not travel down your rabbit hole of insanity
ascii_field: 'c', like a mule, will plod along and do a very predictable thing. cpp is like a gigantic sack of cockroaches
ascii_field: mule-shaped.
ascii_field: sorta walks if you kick it. sometimes.
jurov: predictable modulo undefined behavior
chetty: I just love that it does different depending on the weather, or where it calls home today
ascii_field: jurov: don't use the undefined. (note that i specifically said 'c', rather than 'unix' here)
jurov: oh cmon
jurov: even if you do something innocent like printf("%d", sizeof(stuff))
jurov: cmpiler is allowed to compile it to system("rm -rf /")
mats: ?
ascii_field: i'd love to borrow jurov's compiler
ascii_field: it would really liven up my work
jurov: sizeof returns size_t which may or may not be same as int.. and printf expects int here
jurov: hence, undefined behavior
ascii_field: nothing to do with c
ascii_field: but with unix
ascii_field: (of which stdlib is quite arguably part)
ascii_field: that is why i said, ~the language~)
ascii_field: and when a situation like this does come up, a civilized compiler (there is ONLY ONE known, gcc) ~will~ give you useful info re: types
jurov: in that sense std::map nor the boost stuff isn't part of c++, either
jurov: (just to split hairs)
ascii_field: now try getting similarly compact description in a cpp proggy re: e.g., the map issue.
ascii_field: jurov: my point was that cpp allows considerable variance between what is printed on the page and what the code actually generated is.
ascii_field: (sorta like c macros, but far less analyzable)
jurov: yes that is true
trinque: phf: what, it's making sure it's thoroughly dead!
phf: but i'm not dead yeat
trinque: I feel happy!
mircea_popescu: <phf> make c++ object, object say "i live" in constructor, "i die" in destructor. put object map. run program: "i live. i die i die i die i die i die". wtf. <<< win
mircea_popescu: ascii_field what is this "why" ?
thestringpuller: https://blockchain.info/blocks/Slush << slush has gone to the darkside
jurov: trinque seeing the code i think it just copies your "a" object multiple times
jurov: and then obv destroys evey one
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: which why
mircea_popescu: "write 'c' and 'c++' interchangeably"
jurov: trinque: if feeling like messing with it further, try adding copy constructor w/logging, or pass pointers/references instead, etc.
mircea_popescu: <ascii_field> jurov: my point was that cpp allows considerable variance between what is printed on the page and what the code actually generated is. << to make it plain ; just because c let you push her into a corner once or twice (provided you bring sweets) doesn't mean they're not sluts mmkay ?
phf: jurov: not trinque
mircea_popescu: <trinque> I feel happy! << sounds to me like a cry for help. can we do anything for the gent today ?
trinque: oh its a monty python quote
trinque: how bout whiskey
jurov: in short, playing with c++ with objects oon the stack directly is asking to lose one's fingers
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: 'c' is more 'sex doll' than slut
jurov: ^ ascii_field's short explanation
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phf: jurov: does c++ do a magic cleanup on its fields, or you have to provide a destructor that does things like if(field) delete field; ?
jurov: if you did field = new blabla() the yes
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jurov: if you did only field = blabla() then...idk :D
phf: hmm
punkman: "STL containers may copy objects around in the process of doing assignment"
phf: punkman: yeah, i added copy constructor on jurov's recommendation
ascii_field: naggum had a perfectly valid point re: cpp bearing much of the proximate blame for microshit code being what it is
danielpbarron: >> Slush's pool is now mining XT- blocks << thestringpuller, i heard the only did it to one block for the purpose of collecting some guy's 25 coin bounty. see also: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2015#1242984
assbot: Logged on 18-08-2015 23:58:35; assbot: Block number 370434. First block with a version greater than 3 : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1JpvtoU )
mircea_popescu: what danielpbarron said.
mircea_popescu: the entire "blockchain voting" thing is bunk of the first degree anyway, as the power rangered sponsored fiasco with the most recent fork shows.
trinque: not that it matters, but since I haven't been looking, I wonder if reddit has completely turned on satoshi by now, in favor of the power rangers
trinque: whereas they were before trying to argue that of course he'd support bigger blocks
trinque: really sad thing there, culturally
ascii_field: prolly 'signed or it didn't happen' ?
trinque: well, wouldn't we all like a signed message; however, the content is true in either case
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mircea_popescu: no, more like "it says what i want to hear or it didn't happen"
ascii_field: as i understand, 'satoshi' is nor a moral authority, but a shotgun authority. and that shotgun is still locked in the safe, rusting
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36240 @ 0.00072174 = 26.1559 BTC [+]
ascii_field: *not a
mircea_popescu: a thing's not to be reduced to its last form.
assbot: Logged on 16-07-2015 22:27:33; mircea_popescu: ~that~ is what the hoard is for.
trinque: just struck me that the man who made this said the words "failed project"
mircea_popescu: trinque in the conditional.
trinque: certainly!
thestringpuller: danielpbarron: i see. I wonder if that guy made good on the bounty.
thestringpuller: !up ascii_field
punkman: "Academy of Art University" how is this a name?
trinque: punkman: it's a filter; only the dumb pass through
ascii_field: punkman: classic usg expose. 'let's pick on a usgwot-marginal scamatron, deflect fire from the main ones'
ascii_field: other thing is, the 'art college of art' chumpatronic sector has been edging into competition with the officially-blessed prestige-sellers
ascii_field: and therefore have been marked for gassing.
punkman: "One of the biggest blows to the for-profit education sector came in April, when Corinthian Colleges, based in Santa Ana, Calif., shut down and filed for bankruptcy. At its peak it had 81,000 students across 111 campuses. It closed after the Department of Education fined it $30 million and cut off student aid because it had misrepresented job-placement rates at subsidiary Heald College."
punkman: misrepresented job-placement rates, ahaha
ascii_field: the ancient maxim, as retold by mircea_popescu, 'when hiring a psychic, hire the cheapest'. but the expensive psychic is liable to walk over to the cheapest and shoot the poor fella
trinque: in the next world, you'll have to say "lied"
trinque: they... "lied".
trinque: is that so hard?
ascii_field: thing about 'prestige market' is that 'art college of art' can make fraudulent claims of graduate employability just as well as, e.g., harvard
ascii_field: eventually the chumps notice that the cheap and expensive psychics 'tell the future' exactly equally
ascii_field: and the problems begin for the expensive soothsayer.
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-08-2015#1244081 << wake me up when they close mit, yale, stanford.
assbot: Logged on 19-08-2015 18:22:25; punkman: "One of the biggest blows to the for-profit education sector came in April, when Corinthian Colleges, based in Santa Ana, Calif., shut down and filed for bankruptcy. At its peak it had 81,000 students across 111 campuses. It closed after the Department of Education fined it $30 million and cut off student aid because it had misrepresented job-placement rates at subsidiary Heald College."
assbot: Donald Trump says 14th Amendment is unconstitutional ... ( http://bit.ly/1J4qpTm )
punkman: "In 2009 four former AAU admissions staffers filed a whistle-blower suit in federal district court in Oakland, claiming the school had illegally adjusted recruiters’ pay based on the number of students they enrolled. AAU, which declined to comment on the lawsuit, said in court filings that the compensation scheme was then legal under a “safe harbor” loophole because it also considered qualitative factors."
assbot: The Doors - The End (original) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jrixid )
trinque: wow, in re-reading the lyrics, more relevant than I even intended.
shinohai: <3 The Doors
trinque: though I know it's uncontroversial at best, me too
lobbes: I've yet to meet someone that doesn't enjoy The Doors. great combination of musicians
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phf: ascii_field: i've tried reproducing the leak, but so far it looks like so according to my small test, mapTransactions.clear() should just work. http://glyf.org/tmp/foo.cpp.html there's a bunch of copy allocations that get cleaned up, but you'll notice when foo.clear() is called that picks up the leftover objects.
assbot: foo.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1J4rRoN )
lobbes: I wonder where the Trump stands on 'greencard marriages'; another loophole he'd have to close to make that plan work
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lobbes: perhaps it's in his plan. I have yet to read it myself
ascii_field: phf: go, see. doesn't work.
phf: ascii_field: i believe you, just trying to figure out what might be going on
lobbes: !up ascii_field
trinque: if the 14th amendment were removed via another amendment, what of the descendents of slaves?
trinque: though I suppose he means something smaller, getting the courts to reinterpret it
lobbes: wouldn't their ancestors have been brought in the country 'legally'; i.e as property? good point though..
trinque: property yes, and not citizens
lobbes: hmm
lobbes: would be almost impossible to trace back lineage, I'd assume
lobbes: and then you add in all the owners banging their slaves on the side. it would get murky
trinque: you know, I find it sensible that he's focusing on Mexico as a threat rather than something like ISIS
trinque: as per various threads here
trinque: whether it's possible to solve that problme from the position of "US president" is questionable
mats: ISIS is an existential threat at this point in time
trinque: bullshit
trinque: they can knock down a few buildings at best
mats: if the caliphate is established, they'll have materialized as a real threat
trinque: if, sure
punkman: established how?
trinque: but what about pakistani nukes, what about etc etc
mats: ie, control of baghdad and damascus
trinque: the thing is, this has never been total war between the USA and Middle East
trinque: it's been trying to manipulate countries into this or that state with the military
trinque: if something poses an "existential" threat to the USA, what do you think will happen?
trinque: assuming sure, said USA is aware enough to see it
trinque: why didn't the chechens take over even after the USSR fell?
trinque: seems about the same size
danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-08-2015#1236430 << have you had a cigar? they are delightful
assbot: Logged on 12-08-2015 22:12:55; Adlai: why smoke
funkenstein_: the "president" tv show seems mostly produced for foreign consumption, kinda like friends or baywatch
mats: USG will attempt to parlay another group into battle against ISIS
trinque: were I an ISIS, I would look for a large ally that was not the USA
mats: e.g. the kurds, shia
trinque: at that point I could believe that they're an actual threat, in that not they, but the actual other superpower, is a threat
trinque: no, larger
punkman: mats, aren't they already battling?
mats: yes.
trinque: or "wake me up when" they strike a deal with Russia
funkenstein_: forbes piece is nice in admitting the 1st priority of a university: real estate developer
punkman: funkenstein_: and they even have an antique car museum
mats: ISIS doesn't benefit from the allegiance of any nation state, and nor do i expect any to give it
trinque: mats: some kind of "muslim unity" thing against the USA could very well happen
trinque: I really don't understand this thinking, tbh
mats: their influence and wealth is transnational
trinque: and what of ICBMs
trinque: and all the rest
trinque: the USA has done total war before, even if it's been a while
trinque: let us panic about our demise a bit and see what ideas are palatable
funkenstein_: lol, yeah look at that 250 cars
mats: USG cannot afford total war, and they do not have the stomach for it, either
trinque: the us military will be the last light shut off, not the first
mats: ISIS merely needs USG to stfu, not die, to succeed
trinque: I don't buy any of that
mats: it'll die on its own
trinque: we have the stomach for the whole 20th century
trinque: die like Russia did I suppose
trinque: we'll lose ground but there's a vast difference there
trinque: and mind I'm not particularly thrilled at the thought
trinque: I would really like to understand this logic by which the entire US military vanishes, rather than at worst being handed down as an heirloom
mats: we'll see how committed NATO is to fighting ISIS when PMCs fail to take Mosul and a few F-16s get smoked
trinque: not what I was discussing, at least
trinque: whether or not ISIS controls Iraq is not the same question as whether they can destroy the United States
funkenstein_: trinque, one possibility: if no more paycheck people will just walk away, sell off the gear
trinque: am I wrong in understanding that there is still a considerable Russian military?
trinque: despite 91?
trinque: what's different here?
ascii_field: trinque: petromarket
trinque: the USA has its own oil reserves, many of which have barely been used
trinque: and in an economic crash we'll stop crying about destroying the gulf to get at them
trinque: among other places
assbot: Wikipedia - Israel is paying internet workers to manipulate online content - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jj52ix )
ascii_field: trinque: already old news
shinohai: *blame
ascii_field: trinque: the next major usg trend is 'demand destruction'
ascii_field: where useless mouths are jettisoned.
trinque: sure
ascii_field: (who? us.)
trinque: what I meant about the military being the last light turned out
mats: militaries require competent leadership. when i say existential threat, i do not mean ISIS will march on DC
trinque: if there is not a single man inside the us military who can figure out something to do with even fragments of the thing, wtf?
mats: given enough time, US generals will sell off parts just like SU did.
trinque: so russia's military is gone
trinque: I can readily see that usg is on life-support and fading
trinque: usm? not at all
funkenstein_: trinque, it has always been my assumption that such folks a) have the gold b) move the drugs c) controls m0 presses
trinque: and I would expect a military dictatorship period directly following the fall of usg
mats: usm, usg, and usd are liver, kidney, heart
mats: well, kidneys.
trinque: when in history did a vast military power not fragment into many pieces, and instead dissolve completely, leaving no trace?
ascii_field: 'no trace' is a tall order
mats: fragmentation is enough for us hegemony to be immaterial
ascii_field: thing is, 'usg' is bigger than washington
ascii_field: it includes every bit of brussels, stockholm, london, zurich
trinque: ascii_field: recall the convo about my family's farm with its gas well?
trinque: !up ascii_field
trinque: and you were right, immediately a target in that environment
trinque: doesn't that apply to what USM would do generally in the aftermath?
trinque: secure access to the things it needs to operate first, then move on from there
trinque: this is precisely what ISIS seems to be doing
trinque: and isn't USM quite a bit more capable at this game?
trinque: given its whole mode in the 20th century was knocking countries over for their resources?
funkenstein_: you know just because we can put capital letters together doesn't mean they represent a coherently motivated thing
chetty: <trinque> given its whole mode in the 20th century was knocking countries over for their resources?// meme of renown
trinque: chetty: this is not what happened?
ascii_field: trinque: at a certain point, there is a phase transition. where life is no longer about u.s. army's 'access to necessary resources to operate' but instead col. schmuckson's access to his mansion and cocaine
trinque: I am referring more to the conflicts not necessarily declared wars
ascii_field: which can be easier in zurich than alabama
chetty: dont think it was really resources acquisition as it was expenditure, keep making war toys
ascii_field: !s churn inventory
assbot: 8 results for 'churn inventory' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=churn+inventory
assbot: Confessions of an Economic Hit Man: John Perkins: 8580001045009: Amazon.com: Books ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jj6lye )
trinque: my understanding was that everything we did in the 20th century involved the rape of other countries
trinque: and yes, sure, also churning stock
ascii_field: trinque: have to understand that, to lizards, usa is also 'another country'
trinque: ascii_field: yeah, I see that point.
funkenstein_: on these topics i have found robert steele to be quite educational
funkenstein_: in fact this forum is a great example of his open source intelligence ideas
chetty: <trinque> my understanding was that everything we did in the 20th century involved the rape of other countries// great propaganda to make americans hate themselves
trinque: I see that.
trinque: and also it happened
ascii_field: countdown to 'it wasn't rape!!11 they LIKED it!'
trinque: white mans burden and all that
trinque: sorry indonesia
trinque: and as far as that goes, indonesians didn't fight it off, so life goes as it does
trinque: the point is I don't think anyone sits back and thinks about "what happens with the *other* space station"
ascii_field: trinque: they tried, with jp
trinque: the one with nukes on it
trinque: this all vanishes because somebody decided they wanted to do fundamentalist islam again
trinque: I don't see that at all
ascii_field: trinque: how about the other other space station? the one with 25 tonnes of trotyl and ball bearings
trinque: ascii_field: talking about projectile weapons?
trinque: sure
ascii_field: uncle al's orbital scrubber
trinque: ah yeah
trinque: one side of me sees decay, and the other that this coup in the USA has gone perfectly well
trinque: it depends on whether the command structure in the militaristic side is decaying as badly as the civilian side
trinque: last I checked US soldiers were astoundingly obedient
trinque: and rather well trained
ascii_field: trinque: the test of obedience is when the salary checks bounce.
ascii_field: not before.
trinque: the lowest guys already make postman wages
trinque: hell, lower
chetty: the only reason other nations didnt rape us is us had bigger stick, they happily rape each other all the time. Americans are not special and not worthy of special hates
trinque: chetty: that I readily grant
trinque: and to do otherwise would itself be a sort of exceptionalism
ascii_field: chetty: the anglos being the authors of the global rapeatron, with themselves at the apex, earned the hate.
ascii_field: starting with 1812 or so
ascii_field: the excuse of 'if we hadn't raped this chick, somebody else would have' is a nonstarter
ascii_field: 'don't do the rape if you can't do the ape.' (tm) (r) (ilkka kokkarinen)
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chetty just dislikes seeing the assorted memes of the libtards repeated without clarifications
ascii_field: chetty: the libertards are properly the 'repentance' arm of usg. what mr mold referred to as 'the cathedral'
ascii_field: the folks inviting properly qualified minority female disabled folks to come to mit and write thesis on history of oppression by evil white males
chetty: indeed, I don't do self hate and sore knees
ascii_field: chetty: but it's a mega-growth industry
ascii_field: why would the anglos ~not~ try to capitalize on their major asset
chetty: sadly
trinque: it takes no self-hate on my part to observe that the us raped and murdered throughout the 20th c
trinque: I can look upon that and sleep just fine
funkenstein_: mostly in north america
chetty: <trinque> it takes no self-hate on my part to observe that the us raped and murdered throughout the 20th c// please to point to a first world country that didnt?
ascii_field: the liberasts tend to overemphasize the simple, kinetic rape & murder of .mil
ascii_field: vs the more subtle but destructive 'international law' and financial pyramid
trinque: chetty: that misses my point; I'm contradicting the claim that it doesn't still have a massive, throbbing cock with which to do so
ascii_field: chetty: everyone else who is commonly accused, has a perfectly valid self-defense against anglos defense
ascii_field: (ru, de)
chetty: sure it does, it still has $$$ (as many as they can print)
trinque: how much is a stockpile of nuclear weapons worth?
trinque: at least 1 crimea
trinque: maybe half a ukraine
trinque: or some canadian oil
funkenstein_: most folks will pay you to take them away
chetty: it just turns into this gian finger pointing thing, and in fact I dont think we have a proper clue where those fingers should be pointed.
trinque: why are you bothering with the concept of blame?
ascii_field: funkenstein_: don't confuse the freshly-usgificated su republics of 1991 with 'most folks'
trinque: where all I'm saying is the 20th century's weapons are still there, and if the F35 doesn't work, this matters?
trinque: the missile launches work just fine
ascii_field: they gave up the goods in exchange for some usg lube for their raw anus
trinque: *launchers
trinque: !up ascii_field
trinque: china for example builds its *first* aircraft carrier, and people talk about the chinese being a military threat
trinque: this bias while understandable clouds the issue entirely
trinque: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-08-2015#1244293 << 'military threat', in usg parlance, means 'won't bend over immediately when asked nicely to assume buggery position'
assbot: Logged on 19-08-2015 19:50:57; trinque: china for example builds its *first* aircraft carrier, and people talk about the chinese being a military threat
trinque: right.
trinque: and then in the other direction, denying them some particular goal == defeated
ascii_field: it also means, depending on circumstances, 'can't be bombed with slow-moving pilotless planes with impunity' or even 'might fire back if bombarded navally'
ascii_field: for instance, see how these folks pissed themselves with rage when ru wouldn't give up its sole warm water port just because washington asked
trinque: ascii_field: seems to go along with what I'm saying
trinque: USSR "fell" yet Russia was able to keep Crimea when push came to shove
trinque: USA might "fall" too
ascii_field: it remains to be seen if modern ru is ~actually~ sovereign
ascii_field: or if they shy away from shooting every harvard and yale graduate on their soil when the hour comes
ascii_field is not orlov and isn't paid by ru; hell, they won't even give him a passport
phf: ru did quietly close a handful of ngos, usaid being the largest of them.
ascii_field: but were the vermin turned loose to do new things, and loudly stink? afaik, they were
ascii_field: instead of being boiled for soap
trinque: its true, there's not nearly enough pressure yet to see which structures will stand
trinque: and not enough time passed
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asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: the am leak is mega-lulzy
wilbns: Sovereign credit ratings from Moody’s, Fitch and S&P will soon become extinct: https://medium.com/@wilbns/sovereign-credit-ratings-from-moody-s-fitch-and-s-p-will-soon-become-extinct-67c3e270f8a0
assbot: Sovereign credit ratings from Moody’s, Fitch and S&P will soon become extinct. — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1hq4aPd )
shinohai: https://redd.it/3hkomb <<< wow that's just BALLIN right there.
shinohai: yay I made 59 cents today
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ascii_field browsing old phriends on am leak list
thestringpuller: !up ascii_field
mircea_popescu: <ascii_field> and therefore have been marked for gassing. <<< the other thing is, they had been doing fraud on a scale not seen since the credit unions.
ascii_field: and the lion will show hyena his place
mircea_popescu: incidentally, /me does not belive "for profit" education can be a thing. you can have for-profit amorous relaitons, something the us claims to be down on. you can't have for-profit education. it is a fundamentally unprofitable activity.
mircea_popescu: the only thing you can have is forcible rituals of passing, where the kids pay in flesh.
ascii_field: can have for-profit 'education' easily enough
wilbns: mircea_popescu: agree w/ what you are saying and would also add it's difficult to have for-profit healthcare as well
ascii_field: in usa, higher education is more or less a straight racket
mircea_popescu: difficult, but on the overall possible, i believe wilbns
mircea_popescu: ascii_field ah with the quotes. yes,.
mircea_popescu: surely. all fraud exists for profit, because why else.
ascii_field: can also be for 'profit'
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mircea_popescu: usually turns out to be.
ascii_field: ('spam like a pro in 21 dayz', 'make money in your sleep')
mircea_popescu: like the "money" the derp sending script output to trilema is making.
mircea_popescu: (got another one. 10 days now, that thing)
ascii_field: recalling barnum's canonical 'sucker is born every minute, and two to take him' - can also add 'and two hundred and twenty two to visit the spot next day and smell the farts'
mircea_popescu: the major challenge with the healthcare is keeping payments fair (which really simply means meaningful).
mircea_popescu: but i would propose the actual case study for healthcare economics is... roman firefighting.
mircea_popescu: made one guy very rich, at that.
mircea_popescu: (m l crassus, for the innocent)
mircea_popescu: and back to the blocks issue : i've had a number of tests on various platforms. it would seem that time to verify blocks does not in fact scale liniarly with the block size.
mircea_popescu: i have no idea why this is.
mircea_popescu: in any case, comercially available home computers do not seem capable to verify full 8mb blocks six to the hour.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: cache
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: i, too, tested.
mircea_popescu: same results ?
ascii_field: (surprised?)
ascii_field: same result.
ascii_field: and can even describe why.
mircea_popescu: it might be the DISK cache, i guess
mircea_popescu: go ahead ?
ascii_field: cpu l2 cache
mircea_popescu: oh for fucks sake
mircea_popescu: you're exactly right aren't you.
ascii_field: i am right because i have instrumented machines for this.
ascii_field: (on other occasions, because my arse)
ascii_field: but in this instance, machine.
mircea_popescu: larger blocks ain't happening.
mircea_popescu: forget everything. there's not going to be larger l2 caches.
mircea_popescu: probably not ever.
ascii_field: was there any genuine doubt in any genuine head that the mega-blox was a bullet for bitcoin ?
ascii_field: vs anything else
mircea_popescu: no, but that's a different issue.
ascii_field: a bullet's job is not to make mr kennedy's brain work better
ascii_field: but to help it explore the back of his car
mircea_popescu: imo it did make lincoln's brain work better than it ever had before.
ascii_field: and the asphalt
assbot: Logged on 18-08-2015 18:45:59; ascii_field: the canonical: 'one day, a bullet hit stierlitz in the head. "a hollow-point, must be!", thought stierlitz, scatter-brained'
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: also expect usg-endorsed 'hardware accelerators' to come.
ascii_field: as for aes.
mircea_popescu: i would very much like to get better "humint" work put in.
mircea_popescu: the effort so far is unimpressive.
mircea_popescu: much cheaper than making a hw accelerator, too.
mircea_popescu: well... in the sense that finding a girlfriend is cheaper than building a submarine in the garage, at any rate.
ascii_field: for them, not expensive at all
ascii_field: it'll be rolled into the 2017 intel shitentium or whatnot
ascii_field: as a couplea extra instructions
mircea_popescu: it's not as easy as al lthat.
mircea_popescu: well no, they gotta work.
ascii_field: in fact, now i recall that this is already happening
ascii_field: (the nsa elliptic curve memo)
ascii_field: it'll be in the next instruction addendum
ascii_field: may already be featured in currently stocked dies.
ascii_field: (undocumented)
ascii_field: mega-bestseller! 'quantum resistant!'
mircea_popescu: yeah but not really good enough
mircea_popescu: and no, they don't get to uise the "quantum" gimmick to push ecc against rsa. like they didn't manage the past three or four gimmicks.
ascii_field: good enough. it'll offload the scratch storage for the elliptic grind to dedicated sram
ascii_field: and avoid blowing cache locality
mircea_popescu: the time i consider changing off rsa is a time after i've taken a piss on the ruins of the white house.
mircea_popescu: hm. that may actually work huh.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: recall, this is all in my burial notebook
ascii_field: because screwed around with 'what if bitcoind circuit' for a spell
mircea_popescu: in fact, making "intel the only way to run bitcoin node" is the biggest strategic gain usg can hope for atm.
ascii_field: ergo megablox
mircea_popescu: "oh, they won't be really USED yet. we just want it for when intel finally comes out wiht the chip and we can push it - not before"
ascii_field: i suspect it's coming off conveyor as we speak.
ascii_field: in fact...
ascii_field: drumroll....
mircea_popescu: how does it feel, to have stuck so badly in so many clocks ?
assbot: PCLMULQDQ Instruction and Elliptic Curve Cryptography: Paper ... ( http://bit.ly/1UTBsEd )
assbot: Elliptic Curve Cryptography Functions | Intel® Developer Zone ... ( http://bit.ly/1UTBw78 )
mircea_popescu: "We are sorry, This PDF is available in download format only"
mircea_popescu: why the fguck is it a html then!
ascii_field: ask obamitler.
thestringpuller: "Put Molly all in her champagne, she ain't even know it / I took her home and I enjoyed that, she ain't even know it." - Rick Ross
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
phf: bitch, i mybe, i mybe
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: they'll frame it as 'just like mining!' too. 'why did you expect to be able to use 2009 pc for a node!111 you wouldn't try to cpu-mine,' aha
phf: ascii_field: hey, we won't even have to write an op_sigverify for qemu deployment, they'd do it for us
trinque: phf: that one's gucci mane innit?
trinque: I recall because that's what he said in response to asking whether he was guilty of w/e chargers
trinque: *charges
ascii_field: phf: qemu, l0l! then wait century for block verify
phf: trinque: hehe
mircea_popescu: i think he's being jew-funny.
ascii_field: re: intel: thing is, usg economizes. why con folks into using diddled cpu, if they can be persuaded to run winblowz 10 ?
phf: "what does it mean? -- not funny"
ascii_field: but the cpu will be pushed, yes. the design itself predates bitcoin
ascii_field: and is part of the overall 'diddled crypto' campaign since clinton
mircea_popescu: phf nah, it means, "told you they're going to lose the war - already out of bullets!"
assbot: Shutdownify is shutting down ... ( http://bit.ly/1UTCG2t )
mircea_popescu: ascii_field well, a man can't really ask (nor should really ask) for more than to be on the wrong side of the major battles of his time.
mircea_popescu: give me a cato any day, keep all your cesars and pompeys.
mircea_popescu: lol punkman
punkman: "We knew when we started Shutdownify that its business model was risky, since many of our clients had already run out of money and were in the process of dissolving their companies."
punkman: YC should have acquired them :P
ascii_field: perhaps now mircea_popescu will buy an electron microscope.
ascii_field: the saving grace is that the crud is all hidden in plain sight.
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mircea_popescu: not all, i'm sure.
ascii_field: plain sight in the sense that your dna is.
ascii_field: that it is not in a safe, in washington.
ascii_field: no need to burgle a general.
ascii_field: 'The PCLMULQDQ instruction Intel introduced in 2009
ascii_field: on the 45nm Nehalem processor was renamed the CLMUL
ascii_field: “Perform Carry-Less Multiplication” later that year and
ascii_field: appeared in the 32nm “Westmere” processor in 2010. The
ascii_field: CLMUL is used to perform the carry-less multiplication of an
ascii_field: integer quad word (2 – 64 bit integers). This is complemented
ascii_field: by six AES centric instructions. While the intended use of
ascii_field: the CLMUL instruction set is to improve the performance of
ascii_field: applications doing block cipher encryption in Galois/Counter
ascii_field: Mode (dependent upon finite field multiplication), the six AES
ascii_field: instructions are specific to accelerate the FIPS Publication
ascii_field: Number 197 standard. An important implementation
ascii_field: of these instructions includes AES-GCM (Advanced
ascii_field: Encryption Standard - Galois Counter Mode) where AESNI
ascii_field: combinatorial logic appears to have a large effect on
ascii_field: encryption speed. '
ascii_field: fucking pdf
mircea_popescu: yeah at least /\/n/ / or something
BingoBoingo: ^ Too good to pass up
mircea_popescu: lol that was qwik
mircea_popescu: did you also call the m,useum of modern art ?
mircea_popescu: a happening's happening!
BingoBoingo: Will later, once story is storied
BingoBoingo: In the hallowed halls dedicated to hallowed hall where songs were sang of songs once sang
assbot: CLMUL instruction set - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1hqbTwB )
punkman: "Truth is, this service never quite delivered on their promise. When my last two startups closed shop, it took shutdownify over 3 days to process the first one, and the second was still a full two days to get up and running. At that point I could have just put together a page myself. It didn't help that they rewrote their tech stack from Ruby to Node even as they were trying to find customers. "
punkman: apparently it's a joke
mircea_popescu: bwahahaha WHAT STACK omfg
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
punkman: "1) make web app claiming to check if someone's deets were in the Ashley Madison DB 2) harvest this new list of philanderers to blackmail"
ascii_field: punkman: already done with the credit card scam thing
ascii_field: 'ismyccnumberstolen.com' or what was it.
punkman: what was it, "give me all your cc info so I can check if it's stolen?"
punkman: kinda a trope by now
ascii_field: ancient history.
ascii_field: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 223.28, Best ask: 223.3, Bid-ask spread: 0.02000, Last trade: 223.3, 24 hour volume: 127511.97948833, 24 hour low: 162.0, 24 hour high: 255.08, 24 hour vwap: None
ascii_field: classy
ascii_field: mircea_popescu ^
ascii_field: apparently, once was not enough ?
mircea_popescu: !up bitcoinfailed
bitcoinfailed: hows argentina
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: they're at it again. because apparently didn't have enough last time
mircea_popescu: pretty dumb.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field not crossed yet or wut ?
ascii_field: not crossed yet
ascii_field: guess they decided that a very low resistor is safer than a dead short
bitcoinfailed: worse than romania or par?
mircea_popescu: argentina is slightly dumber than romania in 1960.
bitcoinfailed: you fall for doug casey's recommendation of the place
bitcoinfailed: and can you please get yourself a proper tailor? those bag suits look aweful.
bitcoinfailed: $1500 get you tailored suit.
ascii_field: http://orderbook.info << if believed - negative spreads all over the place
assbot: Orderbook.info - Realtime aggregated orderbooks from main bitcoin exchanges. ... ( http://bit.ly/1hqeVAX )
mircea_popescu: now how would you know that.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field i think this is good for bitcoin!
ascii_field: it's worth a l0l
bitcoinfailed: bitcoin going to $50
ascii_field: snapshotted the 'crossed wires' for posterity
ascii_field: somebody deedbot it ?
ascii_field: 'cause historical graphs for spreads don't usually have room below the zero
punkman: ascii_field: that website is doing it's own thing
punkman: books have not crossed everywhere
ascii_field: punkman: almost certain
ascii_field: punkman: i couldn't possibly say whether it tells the truth
punkman: notice two exchanges, one on each side of table
ascii_field: but this particular gambit is working, mass sell floods (or simulacra thereof) pretty much everywhere
ascii_field: naturally, all of this is unhappening.
ascii_field: doubleplusunhappening.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 102450 @ 0.00068069 = 69.7367 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: 70 Awful Displays Of Sexism On Fox News - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kwy5vF )
mircea_popescu: could have made it 69...
assbot: Orderbook.info - Realtime aggregated orderbooks from main bitcoin exchanges. ... ( http://bit.ly/1KwyfTK )
deedbot-: accepted: 1
punkman: not negative spreads!
punkman: more "arbitrage" derping
trinque: either way, title doesn't matter for zee bot
trinque: oh I see what that site does.
trinque: anyhow, was just responding to the request for deedbotting
mircea_popescu: bitcoinfailed that's all you got btw ?
mircea_popescu: i feel kinda scammed, those !up s go for like a bitcoin each iirc.
bitcoinfailed: no i dont have much to say, i will occasionally read your musings on trilema
bitcoinfailed: just wanted to point out its time to lose the cheap suits
bitcoinfailed: you want something with high armholes so when you lift your arms the entire thing doesnt lift off your shoulders
mircea_popescu: lol. this entire "cheap suits" business has its comedic value. here's something you wouldn't know : while visiting here, ben_vulpes got to meet my tailor, on the grounds that we walked by his shop downtown and teh old jewish gentleman ran out to assure his dearly beloved mr popesco that his suit will be done in time.
mircea_popescu: on the other hand, we have yet another bleeting barn animal from anybarn, usa, derping impressively about things he's heard of, via movies.
mircea_popescu: it makes for a decent contrast, which i guess is what all humor comes from.
mircea_popescu: still, 6/10.
BingoBoingo: From pr0nogra[pher, to who uses MPEx, to Suits
mircea_popescu: all the many things reddit's expertise shines upon.
mircea_popescu: they really should, once they're done fix bitcoin, go bring democracy to africa or what was it.
mircea_popescu: the middle east ? i forget.
mircea_popescu: the country of africa & middle east.
mircea_popescu: <ascii_field>wake me up when they close mit << what, you mean THE PREMIERE something something INSTITUTION in THE WORLD!!! ?
mircea_popescu: what nonsense is this! what'd the world do!
mircea_popescu: trinque how do you know he means the part about immigrants and not the part about "the debt of the us shall not be questioned" ?
mircea_popescu: <mats>ISIS is an existential threat at this point in time << he has a point. isis would be the first state actually outside of us policy since soviet russia.
mircea_popescu: <trinque>seems about the same size << the chechens are about the same size. the us is in no sense the same size as the su when it fell. this theory can be readily verified putting the country through the equivalent of the 90s, which is coming regardless.
mircea_popescu: <trinque>the us military will be the last light shut off, not the first << looked at the budget past decade ?
mircea_popescu: the last light shut off is in the office of the guy giving free housing to "needy" voters.
mircea_popescu: <trinque>we'll lose ground but there's a vast difference there << nobody has any incentive whatsoever to be "american". it's not even vaguely an identity. you might wish to be texan, maybe, liek some soviets wished to be russian. but otherwiose, being an iowan or a californian or a wisconsinian or generally an american is the epitome of fair weather friends : for as long as it pays to do so and no longer.
mats: yeah seriously. the army, for instance, is being whittled down to nothing, which has been in the works since rumsfeld/bush
mircea_popescu: <trinque>I would really like to understand this logic by which the entire US military vanishes << the "entrie us military" long ago vanished. it now consists of boys playing video games and girls playing the tomboy. that is not an army, it's a psycho patient support group.
mircea_popescu: in no way different than any other mental healthcare hospital, except it's larger and per-patient cheaper
mats: idea goes: we fight moar proxy wars and don't need so much line infantry, so we'll employ doorkickers and hire out to palantir and academi for the rest
mircea_popescu: right. worked so fucking splendidly over that last siege
mircea_popescu: remember ? we lolled at it in these very logs.
mats: am curious to see mosul.
mircea_popescu: sorta like one's curious to see the 2006 F1.
mircea_popescu: "oh, schumy lost." ?! "haha-had you!"
asciilifeform: usg doesn't really need an army. just an internal gendarmerie
mircea_popescu: <funkenstein_>trinque, one possibility: if no more paycheck people will just walk away, sell off the gear << exactly how it went in russia heh.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform internal, as in, in your own head ?
asciilifeform: not the least.
mircea_popescu: neone's welcome to furnish his own skull as he sees fit.
asciilifeform: but also generally.
mircea_popescu: <trinque>am I wrong in understanding that there is still a considerable Russian military? << you are wrong in imagining there's any sort of continuity. present day russian military shares nothing at all with the one that ended, and is almost entirely putin's making.
mircea_popescu: much like the third reich military had no debts owed to weimar and generally was hitler's creation.
asciilifeform: nothing but ~80% of the materiel ? l0l
mircea_popescu: the future where russian military was like present day german military seemed the likelier eventuality in 1990.
mats: does usg have suitcase nukes?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that old junk ?
asciilifeform: mats: they were Officially (tm) (r) abolished in '90s
mircea_popescu: what's next, "they use the same topsoil!!!"
mircea_popescu: <trinque>the USA has its own oil reserves, many of which have barely been used << so does nigeria. wtf argument is this.
mircea_popescu: "the woman has her own tits!!1" mmmyeah ?
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mircea_popescu: <ascii_field>trinque: the next major usg trend is 'demand destruction' << i suspect this is what 2015 stalin would have called dekulakization.
BingoBoingo: Where is the editorial consistency?
mircea_popescu: of the... daily mail ?!
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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: demand destruction is, approximately, the dekulakization one does for folks who have nothing
asciilifeform: nothing, that is, but open mouths. so you - close them.
mircea_popescu: <mats>militaries require competent leadership. when i say existential threat, i do not mean ISIS will march on DC << it doesn't want or need to march in dc. all it conceivably might want is to pull a rotherham over at vassar.
asciilifeform: (typically - permanently.)
mircea_popescu: all those preppy white chicks probably make excellent harem slaves.
asciilifeform thought that mexico had this 'market' cornered in usa ?
mircea_popescu: <trinque>if there is not a single man inside the us military who can figure out something to do with even fragments of the thing, wtf? << you need to stop being racis.
mircea_popescu: what do you think a military is, some sort of a country club ? it exists to obey orders. the orders atm are on the line of "scoring officers' sensitivity to inane nontopics"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform mexicans are kinda lazy methinks. the arabs are more serious when they do it.
mircea_popescu: <trinque>and I would expect a military dictatorship period directly following the fall of usg << IF you can find a certain corporal in the army that will get badly defeated and who resents the coupla decades of peace which consist mostly of american teenagers being used as public toilets from rashapur to ankara, then yes, maybe, dictatorship.
asciilifeform: american collective immune system has been massaged on more or less nothing but 'arab' for past decade.
mircea_popescu: that's a big if, tho.
mircea_popescu: yes, but they have paradoxical reaction.
mircea_popescu: most teenaged girls' immune system had been massaged on more or less nothing but "boys" for millenia
mircea_popescu: the result being that behaviour in the walrus gif
asciilifeform: dedicated firmware in play there, no ?
mircea_popescu: where girl goes and kneels before anotehr woman's rapist to get some herself.
mircea_popescu: the firmware in question is both dedicated and ubiquitous.
BingoBoingo: I have as many connections form "subver" : "/Atdollar:0.10.2/" as XT nao
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: question is, naturally, not 'whether rapist', but 'which'
mircea_popescu: notrly. where the hell is that gif
asciilifeform: .. biggest walrus? clearly not, that one lacked tusks, even.
asciilifeform: biggest penguin? no, walrus
BingoBoingo: On that note it is time for another peerdump http://dpaste.com/3C80S67
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mircea_popescu: so, walrus is fucking a penguin. and one of those seagulls goes in front of it and exhibits itself for sexual use.
mircea_popescu: it had plenty of other choices, such as for instance, sitting around.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iirc, the behaviour is even more automatic and pronounced in certain fish
mircea_popescu: it's the most pronounced in humans.
mircea_popescu: orwell feigned-disgustedly called it "power worship"
mircea_popescu: but the notion the usian will put up any sort of resistence, to any sort of invader, ofany kind come from anywhere...
mircea_popescu: yeah, he would. like the woman puts up resistence. with her uterus.
asciilifeform: didn't we earlier 'there is no american' ?
mircea_popescu: whole fuckthing wouldnt' work too well if you just fell in.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "usian" is a population. like the argentine cattle. not a nation.
asciilifeform: but let's say, texan ? also no resistance? caves in like france in ww2 ?
asciilifeform: uteri at the ready ?
mircea_popescu: texans would prolly ally with the invader if the invader bitchslaped california harsly enough
mircea_popescu: what, "i'm a boy from tenesee here to die for some fat bitch's right to marry her dog" ?
asciilifeform: incidentally, re: the latter, this is not spoken of much in soviet or even modern times, but when germans invaded, the barber shops near the front were packet. with gurlz.
asciilifeform: *packed
mircea_popescu: i'm sure they were all spies sent by stalin himself to lure the enemy into a false sense of confidence.
mircea_popescu: (i'm doing alf in b-a of 1939 :D)
asciilifeform: aha l0l
asciilifeform: it is interesting to read the jp rationale for not attempting invasion or even saboteur ops on the u.s. continent in ww2
mircea_popescu: <trinque>chetty: this is not what happened? << no, it is not what happened.
mircea_popescu: merely because the ww2 cost the us less than it cost europe does not mean it wasn't costly.
asciilifeform: summed up to something like 'there's three barrels per man there, and they will all point at us'
mircea_popescu: and generally, no involvement of us in anywhere to date has been economically productive.
mircea_popescu: iraq is still to this day a net loss.
asciilifeform: for country - loss
asciilifeform: for haliburton, lockheed ?
mircea_popescu: for the us.
asciilifeform: life itself.
asciilifeform: lizards != usa at large
asciilifeform: when their current host dies, they will decamp to wherever it is they have a welcome party
asciilifeform: (zurich? antarctica? who the fuck cares)
mircea_popescu: you can't build yourself a rich house as a fiftene year old stealing from your father and fencing the stuff.
mircea_popescu: they will decamp to the concentration camp.
mircea_popescu: just like - jews, in yurp
asciilifeform: how many rothchilds in the camps ?
mircea_popescu: another thing nobody really wants to talk aboot.
mircea_popescu: for a while there you couldf even fuck one, for the asking.
asciilifeform hearing of this for the first time
mircea_popescu: they'd hold her down for you, too.
asciilifeform: suggest a source ?
mircea_popescu: ;;google elisabeth de rothschild
asciilifeform: any language
gribble: Élisabeth de Rothschild - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89lisabeth_de_Rothschild>; Philippine de Rothschild - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippine_de_Rothschild>; Baroness Philippine de Rothschild - obituary - Telegraph: <http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/11056866/Baroness-Philippine-de- (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: I seriously going to have to work on the no SPV allowed problem. Why should "/bitcoinj:0.12.3/Bitcoin Wallet:4.35-blackberry/" even think it ough to be service by my node
mircea_popescu: ;;google blanka rothschild
gribble: Life After the Holocaust: Blanka Rothschild: <http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10007189>; Blanka Rothschild - United States Holocaust Memorial Museum: <http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/media_oi.php?MediaId=2845&ModuleId=10007189>; Blanka Rothschild - United States Holocaust Memorial Museum: <http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/media_oi.php?MediaId=5945>
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: neato
asciilifeform: but still reminiscent of vasiliy stalin
asciilifeform: (wonder if he got to fuck any rothchilds before 'shot while escape')
asciilifeform: 'Élisabeth de Rothschild (née de Chambure; a.k.a. Lili; March 9, 1902 - March 23, 1945) was a member by marriage of the wine-making branch of the Rothschild family.'
asciilifeform: any ~proper~ rothchilds ?
mircea_popescu: the "proper" rothschilds lived in the 17th and 18th century.
mircea_popescu: "any proper kennedys ?!?!?!!"
asciilifeform: i don't ask for the impossible! merely the 'romanov gold standard' of cleansing
mircea_popescu: unlike in the case of the romanovs, by the 1940s time had already cleansed this bunch.
mircea_popescu: (but i can bring same argument - hey, any PROPER romanovs the reds shot ?)
mircea_popescu: not like you're gonna try and argue THAT bunch of degenerates were the true namesakes.
asciilifeform: ^ point
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asciilifeform: sometimes, one even gets the 'old and new romanovs' in same physical package.
asciilifeform: e.g., hitler 34 vs 45
mircea_popescu: guess so.
mircea_popescu: hitler was a derp throughout tho.
mircea_popescu: a thir dting nobody wants to say
asciilifeform: derp with full battery vs empty
asciilifeform: makes difference
mircea_popescu: lucky derp, at first, yes. but luck runs out.
mircea_popescu: yeah, it does. until it runs out.
mircea_popescu: then you get "the german people have failed and let's blow everything up"
asciilifeform: how else.
mircea_popescu: because we're fucking 14.
asciilifeform: everybody's 14 when their battery runs down.
mircea_popescu: in the casino for the first time, and can only win, because mom had us with saint Winny.
mircea_popescu: no dude. not everyone's 14 when their battery runs down.
mircea_popescu: the even reason you bother selecting people in the first place, is that.
asciilifeform: example ?
mircea_popescu: ;;google fefeleaga
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i am testing out my new just in time examples webservice, built on node.js and ruby on rails!
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mircea_popescu: wait wut ?
mircea_popescu: how the fuck is it the managers get the short stick again!
mircea_popescu: what am i, an engineer now ? a scientist ? wtf is this pious fraud bs.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in usa 'manager' is more or less synonymous with 'pointy boss'
mircea_popescu: nevertheless!!!!
asciilifeform: sorta like the word 'programmer' to mircea_popescu is synonymous with mark karpeles
mircea_popescu: in africa doctor is more or less synonymous with shaman, what the fuck light does that throw on any discussion
mircea_popescu: the word programmer, to me, is chiefly synonymous with rms.
asciilifeform: the fella who hasn't programmed since what, '95 ?
mircea_popescu: neither has anyone else.
asciilifeform: and hasn't overseen others program since perhaps '05
mircea_popescu: well we're not talking 2015 rms specifically k ?
asciilifeform: then sure.
mircea_popescu: otherwise what, "bravery to me is X" "oh, you mean pissing ? because X pissed at a certain point in time!"
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asciilifeform: 'Meanwhile in a cattle herd inhabiting an endless plain, the strictures of speech as a regulator of human activity do not exist per se. Argentines do not speak like you and me, Argentines bleat and bark like your sheep and dogs. They appreciate the loudness, the sudden quality, the melodicity, the formal "propriety" of speech much like a parrot judges another parrot's noises. They do not however comprehend, nor do they have an
asciilifeform: y expectation that words string together into anything other than a noisy flow, and in no case does any notion occur to bother them that perhaps words carry the future in any sense.' << where is this ~not~ the case ?
mircea_popescu: rinque>my understanding was that everything we did in the 20th century involved the rape of other countries << kick that dem-socialist coolaid srsly.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform among people.
asciilifeform: where do i buy a ticket to, to see some ~people~ ?
mircea_popescu: yeah. me too.
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asciilifeform: 'puff the magic dragon'
BingoBoingo: No, that's the AC-130
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, has ever existed a worse failure than the GSh-6-30
mircea_popescu: fucking comedic that thing, should have a surrealist film made about it
asciilifeform: 'The airframe vibration led to fatigue cracks in fuel tanks, numerous radio and avionics failures, the necessity of using runways with floodlights for night flights (as the landing lights would often be destroyed), tearing or jamming of the forward landing gear doors (leading to at least three crash landings), cracking of the reflector gunsight, an accidental jettisoning of the cockpit canopy and at least one case of the instr
asciilifeform: ument panel falling off in flight. The weapons also dealt extensive collateral damage, as the sheer numbers of fragments from detonating shells was sufficient to damage aircraft flying within a 200 meter radius from the impact center, including the aircraft firing.' << l0l
asciilifeform isn't necessarily buying this wholesale
mircea_popescu: the only people that ever made the airplane tank work were the 60s usians.
asciilifeform: il-2 worked
asciilifeform: well enough.
mircea_popescu: that their deranged successors don't even recognise the marks of this...
mircea_popescu: tell you what asciilifeform, bitcoin works well enough.
asciilifeform: doesntit?
mircea_popescu: by about an inch.
asciilifeform: like il-2.
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BingoBoingo: A-10 is basically flying pogo
trinque: mircea_popescu | texans would prolly ally with the invader if the invader bitchslaped california harsly enough << this is a fair point, and drives home all the rest.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: do they make chicks with faces any more ?
asciilifeform: or are those a specialty item
mircea_popescu: whadda ya mean ?
trinque: my perspective came from thinking of the country as a singular thing.
trinque: when my own identity is very much involved with the idea that it isn't
trinque: see: Texan
assbot: Logged on 08-08-2015 04:50:10; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that one practically ~screams~ 'my brain is permanently 12 y.o.'
mircea_popescu: trinque you know, the austro-hungarians had much better call to think of their alcatuire as "a singular thing"
mircea_popescu: it vanished like foam.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this latest girl looks dumb to you ?!
trinque departs, thanks for the responses.
asciilifeform: not dumb per se - but americanized
asciilifeform: it's a kind of kabuki
asciilifeform: where traces of intelligence, of expression - ground off, like the unnecessary glass in a lens
mircea_popescu: the girls iirc czech, and hm... don't ever visit bohemia then. it's where the small round cro mignon faceship landed
mircea_popescu: well, that and the arctic, at any rate.
asciilifeform: it is also where, i'm told, american pisswater beer was invented.
mircea_popescu: lots of things now the height of fashion in the us were invented by west a-h jewz.
asciilifeform: hey, if eskimos or pygmies had invented it, it would be sop in usa just the same
BingoBoingo: IN other news Corn fields looking markedly worse this week
BingoBoingo: Just lots of stunted, short and prematurely yellow swaths of the stuff.
BingoBoingo: Last week on KMOX Illinois DepAg was talking about a fall of 15% over last year's crop, but shit looks to have started dying really fast
BingoBoingo: !up pete_dushenski
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assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 00:37:58; mircea_popescu: lots of things now the height of fashion in the us were invented by west a-h jewz.
mircea_popescu: <ascii_field>the excuse of 'if we hadn't raped this chick, somebody else would have' is a nonstarter << orly ? http://trilema.com/2013/no-womans-land/#selection-449.68-449.225
assbot: No Woman's Land on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1NmayDT )
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 229.03, vol: 22207.10059825 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 224.665, vol: 12951.48373 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 228.28, vol: 49340.32891638 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 222.23, vol: 12.31153437 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 231.539252, vol: 28568.41500000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 230.68, vol: 234.52257077 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 240.624, vol: 188.77977785 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: ;;more
gribble: 228.859421478
pete_dushenski: volume calmed down. slightly.
pete_dushenski: still a joke but w/e
pete_dushenski: even jokes calm down eventually
mircea_popescu: ascii_field>vs the more subtle but destructive 'international law' and financial pyramid << in fairness : this was bismarck's idea, to finance the pre-ww1 eurozone. it HAD to be constantly rolled up in higher and higher schemes, because at all points throughout the past two centuries, bismarck's folly (pay now and the more people coming next will pay you) seemed too big to fail.
asciilifeform: as always, l0l
mircea_popescu: and it'll keep getting rolled if at all possible,
mircea_popescu: because renouncing it still to this day seems too much to ask.
mircea_popescu: trinque>china for example builds its *first* aircraft carrier, and people talk about the chinese being a military threat <<< you don't understand how this works. the aircraft carrier is irrelevant. china bet on the winning strat (missile defense) and bet a lot more than the us can afford, and as a result now has unchallangeable area denial ability throughout the shores. this means it can pursue its own, private local
mircea_popescu: policy. which includes japan, indonesia, even australia.
mircea_popescu: this is a political disaster for the us, nothing like the superficial humiliations it has received politically from the likes of putin and practically from the likes of isis
mircea_popescu: because in reaction to this, those countries have, and do, and will reallign.
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell trinque Missouri is probably a better Texas than Texas
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: now, a graphite baton can survive some cleavage. but a glass baton will shatter.
mircea_popescu: and it would seem the us is all glass. much like hitler's socialist regime, or stalin's socialist regime, the us socialism can not really take defeat well. either they turn it around or they go under, there's no "occupied france" going on.
mircea_popescu: so no, it's not bias. just facts you don't know in contexts you don't grasp.
mircea_popescu: otherwise, i'm about as biased in favour of an empire of china as i'm biased in favour of an empire of grasshoppers.
mircea_popescu: <ascii_field>'military threat', in usg parlance, means 'won't bend over immediately when asked nicely to assume buggery position' << amusingly, this bled from the DoD into the "law enforcement" paramilitary wing.
pete_dushenski: ;;remove 22434
gribble: Error: For identification purposes, you must be identified via GPG to use the order book.
pete_dushenski: ;;remove 22434
gribble: Order 22434 removed.
mircea_popescu: wilbns>Sovereign credit ratings from Moody’s, Fitch and S&P will soon become extinct << unavoidably. they have been largely ignored ever since the ridiculous failures they displayed a decade or so ago.
asciilifeform: stay awake folks, about to post something kewl
pete_dushenski: now that i slept through a fringe show this afternoon, i'm awake.
pete_dushenski: speaking of said show, the review is another missed shot by scoopbot_revived. that williamdunne...
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asciilifeform: mod6, ben_vulpes, mircea_popescu, et al:
asciilifeform: achtung, panzers!
assbot: [BTC-dev] V Genesis ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nmc1Kt )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18100 @ 0.00069075 = 12.5026 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: if anyone does not understand why i did this, or, alternatively, believes that this ought to have been done in some other way - please speak.
BingoBoingo: Chaos in the greek root, the 'V'oid
asciilifeform: otherwise, friends, go and verify, and sign the output!
asciilifeform: and post the sig
asciilifeform: if everyone's output is the same, the sigs will be valid!
asciilifeform: when tested against what is produced in this recipe, now or 100 years from now.
asciilifeform: (offtopic: perhaps the single most asinine aspect of gpg signature as-we-have-it is the lack of a clearly delineated space to write ~why~ you are signing something.)
asciilifeform: most folks cram it into the payload, yes.
asciilifeform: but there is not always a place.
mircea_popescu: tye why and the what are not separable.
mircea_popescu: but yes, this is the right thing.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> mod6, ben_vulpes, mircea_popescu, et al: << thanks ascii, will take a look.
asciilifeform: achtung, panzers!
asciilifeform: mod6, ben_vulpes, mircea_popescu, et al:
assbot: [BTC-dev] V Breath-of-Life ... ( http://bit.ly/1gXXQNL )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00069075 = 6.3549 BTC [-]
mod6: asciilifeform: your step "2)", do you mean to indicate reference [1] instead of "also [3]" which is the email to chicken?
asciilifeform: mod6: yes.
asciilifeform: apologies.
mod6: np. just checkin.
asciilifeform: re: breath of life: again, the beauty of cruel equations: if your vdiffs are correctly generated, my signatures will verify.
asciilifeform: OTHERWISE NOT.
asciilifeform: if you read the 'orchestra' post and followed instructions, you have a set that will verify against 'breath of life.'
asciilifeform: that you should have generated yourself.
asciilifeform: with 'breath of life', it is now possible to use 'v'. even though i have not given it to anyone yet...
asciilifeform: can write it yourself. not so hard.
BingoBoingo just impressed there exists a versioning system nao
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo might be anti-impressed when he realizes what it consists of
asciilifeform: ... largely, 'grep'.
asciilifeform: and some recursion.
BingoBoingo: Mebbe we have different definitions of impressed.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10249 @ 0.00068488 = 7.0193 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: incidentally, if you make a mistake in your 'genesis', other vpatches also will fail.
BingoBoingo humble enough to assume if something doesn't work that I introduced the problem
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32747 @ 0.00068488 = 22.4278 BTC [-]
pete_dushenski: "To M. Popescu: I apologize. I was arrogant and wrong and insulting."
assbot: The Hard Fork Missile Crisis | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nw2iQE )
pete_dushenski: almost 6 months to the day later. was there a yeshiva in there ?
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: ty, I hadn't checked to approve new commenters, so must still have cookie from original comment
BingoBoingo: commented from same ip
mircea_popescu: this can happen ? which internet is this ?
BingoBoingo: An internet between the ROckie Mountains and Pacific ocean
mircea_popescu: as the romanian expression goes, "sa increstam in grinda".
pete_dushenski: internet 0.5.4
pete_dushenski: "Raja Bhatia, Ashley Madison's founding CTO who today consults for the website's team, is not convinced this leak is real. He told investigative journo Brian Krebs this evening that the site does not store credit card numbers. "If there is full credit card data in a dump, it’s not from us, because we don’t even have that," Bhatia added." << vs. internet 3.0
pete_dushenski: "we don't even do that !"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17253 @ 0.00068093 = 11.7481 BTC [-]
pete_dushenski: "if someone claims that we provide security and confidentiality, you ~know~ they've got the wrong guys !"
mircea_popescu: concerned ceo told the clueless press "i don't even" in an emotionally charged meeting over tea tonight
mircea_popescu: anyway, notice the word wizardry. "if there is full credit card data in a dump, it’s not from us". whereas the dump clearly and pointedly states "some credit card data".
mircea_popescu: clinton can rest easy, his school of public communication still depends on what is is.
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: unless you're already writing up today's am break, i think i'll take a crack at it for qntra
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Give it a go
BingoBoingo: Moar qntra always welcome
hanbot: <mod6> asciilifeform: your step "2)", do you mean to indicate reference [1] instead of "also [3]" which is the email to chicken? << i must be dense, where's "bitcoin-0.5.3-no-crud.sha256.manifest"? i don't see it in 1), i don't see it in 3).
mod6: it's in the chicken.tar.gz
mod6: asciilifeform: also, you know, i never did run vdiff.sh before on ubuntu (14.04), but when I was testing vdiff.sh before (few days ago) it was all on gentoo. vdiff.sh worked and still does work good on gentoo... but now I get this error when I run it on Ubuntu: http://dpaste.com/0RXRBNC.txt
mod6: Has any one else noticed this error?
mircea_popescu: "There's absolutely no difference between Keiser's scamcoin and Gavin's scam coin as far as the network is concerned : while one's a scammer that I humiliatingly defeated in the past whereas the other a scammer that I humiliatingly defeat in the future, this makes no difference for Bitcoin."
mircea_popescu: shiiit i love reading my old stuff.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9376 @ 0.0006785 = 6.3616 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: The Hard Fork Missile Crisis | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nw6iAT )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65550 @ 0.00067776 = 44.4272 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8408 @ 0.00069384 = 5.8338 BTC [+] {2}
mod6: alright, so I created this script: http://dpaste.com/04DJKKA.txt to produce a vpatch as discussed in http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000148.html : Here is the diff of the vdiff my script produced v. the one included with asciilifeform's email: http://dpaste.com/1ACSMBC.txt
assbot: [BTC-dev] V Genesis ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nmc1Kt )
mod6: The hashes look like the match -- mainly. asciilifeform, can you confirm that this is correct or incorrect?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62300 @ 0.000696 = 43.3608 BTC [+] {4}
mod6: hanbot: so yeah, chicken.tar.gz isn't linked in the 'V Genesis' email. But it can be found here: http://thebitcoin.foundation/chicken.tar.gz
mod6: (contains the mainifest you are looking for)
hanbot: thx mod6, grabbed it
mod6: good deal.
assbot: EXCLUSIV Topul orașelor cu cele mai accesibile locuinţe din România ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nw8yrK )
mircea_popescu: 20-30k euro / 50mp aka 4-600 usd/sqft.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: CLean up that submission, stop inserting style="text-align: left; stuff
pete_dushenski: dude, it makes no difference
pete_dushenski: i had it on 'justify' like i do on all contravex, then i remembered that qntra is 'left'
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: I'm cleaning it up, but can't be inserting extra style. Breaks the consisten qntra look.
pete_dushenski: dude, qntra is 'left' by default
pete_dushenski: these qntra editors and their trolling ;/
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: But not justified. Many sane browsers don't support justified text syle
BingoBoingo: *style
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: u so raja
BingoBoingo: Really the "style" attribute inside tags has no reason to be used ever
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Also in you anchor tags, what is with this "target" business?
pete_dushenski: i'll be sure to omit those next time, my apologies bb
mod6: <p">Any data not signed ...
pete_dushenski: hm ya...
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: I'm just giving you shit, but ...
pete_dushenski: i b0rked this formatting job
BingoBoingo: mod6: fixed
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: No I did
BingoBoingo: It's just if you are marking up text for display... WHy butcher the whole thing with superfluous attributes?
assbot: Futurology alert: NASA has been granted $200,000 a year for a project that recycles human poop into man-made food. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nwbftf )
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1244909 << yes. and if anyone really wants me to gpg-sign this 'yes', i will
assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 02:20:07; hanbot: <mod6> asciilifeform: your step "2)", do you mean to indicate reference [1] instead of "also [3]" which is the email to chicken? << i must be dense, where's "bitcoin-0.5.3-no-crud.sha256.manifest"? i don't see it in 1), i don't see it in 3).
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1244925 << if you have a copy of gpg, verify with that
assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 02:42:28; mod6: The hashes look like the match -- mainly. asciilifeform, can you confirm that this is correct or incorrect?
asciilifeform: that was the intent
asciilifeform: you should get same thing i did, possibly excepting the timestamps
asciilifeform: (i'm for abolishing those, on account of their profound uselessness...)
asciilifeform: at any rate, diff it with mine, nothing but timestamps must differ.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1244934 << neato, a small flat costs like a car in usa
assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 02:52:29; mircea_popescu: http://www.capital.ro/exclusiv-topul-oraselor-cu-cele-mai-accesibile-locuinte-din-romania.html << romanian real estate if anyone's curious
mod6: it look to me that the hashes match. but they're not all in the same order for som reason.
mod6: *some
asciilifeform: mod6: interesting. sort, compare.
asciilifeform: srsly there is no end to the retardation of linux
mod6: yeah, i'll go through it closer tomorrow see if I can work it out.
mod6: true. no idea why that awk command seems to honk on ubuntu.
assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 02:24:39; mod6: asciilifeform: also, you know, i never did run vdiff.sh before on ubuntu (14.04), but when I was testing vdiff.sh before (few days ago) it was all on gentoo. vdiff.sh worked and still does work good on gentoo... but now I get this error when I run it on Ubuntu: http://dpaste.com/0RXRBNC.txt
asciilifeform: y'know what,
asciilifeform: if you have an ubuntu,
asciilifeform: take it by its reins, lead it out behind the barn,
asciilifeform: and shoot it in the head.
mod6: hahah
asciilifeform: then sell for glue.
asciilifeform: this is from here on my official recommendation re: ubuntu of all versions.
asciilifeform: 'plan9' is more of a linux than ubuntu.
asciilifeform: fuck, qnx is.
asciilifeform: i will support plan9 (which, i dare say, is spiffy) long before ubuntu.
BingoBoingo: plan9 is really pretty fly
BingoBoingo: http://morpheus.2f30.org/ << chunks of plan9 running on a linux kernel
assbot: Project - Morpheus Linux ... ( http://bit.ly/1fIYcHs )
asciilifeform: gimme all or nothing, i say.
asciilifeform: screw this 'i ran an os in userland on other os because i needed a thesis 111!!111' shit.
BingoBoingo: Problem seems to be they used plan9 userland as a path to saving linux when the linux part could have been flushed
BingoBoingo does not know their stimulus for keeping linux of life support, may have been Nvidia...
BingoBoingo glares at Eulora
BingoBoingo: !up TheRealJohnGalt
asciilifeform: !s from:TheRealJohnGalt
assbot: 0 results for 'from:TheRealJohnGalt' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3ATheRealJohnGalt
asciilifeform: kakobrekla?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25440 @ 0.00067809 = 17.2506 BTC [-] {3}
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1244949 << surprisingly little discussion in the press re: the fact of there being virtually no actual (vs. perl script) females in the system
assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 03:11:06; scoopbot_revived: Ashley Madison and Established Men Experience Data Liberation http://qntra.net/2015/08/ashley-madison-and-established-men-experience-data-liberation/
asciilifeform: perhaps this is sop. if so, one can wonder why the chumpers signed up to begin with
asciilifeform: who the fuck even signs up for a 'dating site' ? how does this differ from the kind of folks who answer nigerian '419' spam ?
asciilifeform spent an unhealthily large chunk of today crawling the dump
asciilifeform: it has, yes, corp. financials
assbot: shitco.in | The Bitcoin XT Trojan ... ( http://bit.ly/1NwckBo )
BingoBoingo: https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=143999753415770&w=2 << OpenBDSM 5.8 drops early because 20th birthday
assbot: 'openbsd 5.8 pre-orders' - MARC ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nwcj0r )
asciilifeform: and yes, they keep all in 'excel.' because gott mit uns or something
pete_dushenski: "First Mike Tyson bitcoin ATM is launched - sorry guys, it's just another Lamassu machine" << lel. this one's for adam_obrien
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: who wrote this ?
assbot: First Mike Tyson bitcoin ATM is launched - sorry guys, it's just another Lamassu machine : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1LkjXsj )
asciilifeform: no, not that
asciilifeform: the 'xt trojan' piece
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> who the fuck even signs up for a 'dating site' ? how does this differ from the kind of folks who answer nigerian '419' spam ? << Some locales it is fishing with dynamite
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: it is surprisingly sane
BingoBoingo: <assbot> First Mike Tyson bitcoin ATM is launched - sorry guys, it's just another Lamassu machine : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1LkjXsj ) << Welcome to the Terror DOme
assbot: shitco.in | Author | goat ... ( http://bit.ly/1LkjYfT )
asciilifeform: wasn't 'goat' a sc4mz0r of some description ?
asciilifeform: or is there more than one
pete_dushenski: https://mikethegoat.wordpress.com/ << may be same as this mike ?
assbot: Mike the Crypto Goat | Exploring Internet security, crypto and civil liberties. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lkk1s4 )
asciilifeform: at any rate, it is astonishingly factual, at first glance
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Multiple goats
pete_dushenski: the timelines add up. first post on shitco.in on may 4, 2015. last post on wp site on feb 27, 2015
asciilifeform: will be interesting to see what mircea_popescu makes of http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1245011
assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 03:33:24; pete_dushenski: http://shitco.in/2015/08/19/the-bitcoin-xt-trojan/
hanbot: asciilifeform so lemme get something straight here:
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why surprising ? nobody seriously thought women were in there.
asciilifeform: glaringly, no mention of therealbitcoin
asciilifeform: but all else is a good exposition.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the chumpers, one might suppose, thought this
asciilifeform: hanbot: hm?
hanbot: "orchestra" supercedes "rotor" which supercedes "stator", and the v versioning system is usable (as-is) for "orchestra" only, correct?
asciilifeform: orchestra consists of precisely the same patches which made it into rel1 and those which are being considered by mod6 and ben_vulpes for inclusion in rel2
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i'm not reading random expose of random derp hoping to matter. sorry.
asciilifeform: hanbot: in its present condition, it supercedes nothing at all, except for the laborious 'here's where to get all the patches and how they depend on each other' docs
asciilifeform: hanbot: it will, possibly, supercede these if and when ben_vulpes, mod6, et al, agree that my current approach is correct.
pete_dushenski: gnite all!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50352 @ 0.00067691 = 34.0838 BTC [-] {4}
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it has snapshots of choice hearnias, with commentary
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and a more-or-less accurate (for a non-#b-a denizen) outline of events re: same.
mircea_popescu: good for it. i dun know the author and don't care what he might wish to say one way or the other.
asciilifeform: skip the parts where he talks, then
asciilifeform: (thing is full of screen caps of hearn & gavin and their code, doing their thing.)
hanbot: asciilifeform okay. but supposing i want to try out your versioning system & sign it and all, i -need- the "orchestra" build, do i not?
asciilifeform: anyone who doesn't care for the 'entomology' here - can safely skip whole shebang.
mircea_popescu: they're taken from other people.
asciilifeform: hanbot: you will, yes. but it is not a build, presently. only a set of patches re-created with vdiff and signed - currently by myself only.
mircea_popescu: the thing's basically a usgism, in spirit if not in form.
mircea_popescu: "here's my picture in front of the pyramids"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: entomological interest only, yes.
asciilifeform brb eating food
mircea_popescu: im not saying you shouldn't read it or anything, but you asked me what i make of it. i don't.
hanbot: asciilifeform oh, i see. thanks!
mircea_popescu: re the ashley madison thing, i believe it chiefly provides the same service faux exchanges etc provide to the click-bound generation. ie, they get to pretend like they're traders, don juans, what not, all from the safety of their own den, and - crucially - without actually doing it.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19100 @ 0.0006759 = 12.9097 BTC [-] {3}
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