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asciilifeform: went perelman.
decimation: heh sounds like it
decimation: except where is his mother's pension?
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assbot: Cecil the Lion is a Pretext for Expanding Extraterritoriality of US Law | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1M0HBNi )
BingoBoingo: Some lols http://www.tedunangst.com/flak/post/from-distribution-to-project << "NetBSD changed its name to OpenBSD to reflect a new focus on desktop computing."
assbot: from distribution to project ... ( http://bit.ly/1M0HMrW )
punkman: "One of the first things I did after installing OpenBSD back in the day was set up a 6bone tunnel and ping6 all three other IPv6 sites out there. I was living in the future. Fifteen years later, and well... Fuck IPv6."
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assbot: 'What lion?' Zimbabweans ask, amid global Cecil circus | Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1IcaEap )
BingoBoingo: Also note Reuters includes that the dentist used a bow and arrow.
punkman: badass dentist?
decimation: eh, the anti-gunners know they can stir up some shit with this kind of story
BingoBoingo: I actually didn't know he used a bow until minutes ago. I thought he would have used one of those exotic African calibers .300-.460 with a name attached like Weatherby or Tyranosaurus. I am impressed.
BingoBoingo: punkman: Far more badass than my dentist brother.
punkman: he should practice his archery on those protestors outside his office
decimation: what if instead of lions he hunted eastern shit beetles?
decimation: nobody would give a fuck
decimation: asciilifeform: re: radiothermal generators> the new hotness is to use...stirling engine! https://solarsystem.nasa.gov/rps/asrg.cfm
assbot: Radioisotope Power Systems: Stirling Converter Technology ... ( http://bit.ly/1LUf6zf )
BingoBoingo: decimation: He would give a fuck. I have to imagine one hunts lions in part for the danger.
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decimation: sure, he would, not rest of world media
BingoBoingo contemplating AMD A4-5000 machine as upgrade or complement to AMD 350 machine...
BingoBoingo not sure preformance boost would be enough to make a difference
mats: 20:25:57 <+asciilifeform> mats: down to business - what's your position on the 'july plot' men ? << no opinion rly
mats: coderwill: it is an open secret that Tor is broken
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BingoBoingo: !up cazalla
cazalla: thanks BingoBoingo, so nice to finally sit down on a friday arvo
BingoBoingo: Though here is is Just after midnight Friday morning
assbot: The story of .io | Citizen Ex ... ( http://bit.ly/1MxPzwl )
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cazalla: ;;later tell mike_c a belated grats on the birth of your daughter
gribble: The operation succeeded.
shinohai: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 283.81, Best ask: 283.91, Bid-ask spread: 0.10000, Last trade: 283.79, 24 hour volume: 17439.70338798, 24 hour low: 282.0, 24 hour high: 289.85, 24 hour vwap: None
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assbot: Cointelegraph plagiarizing from r/bitcoin : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1SmWjlC )
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assbot: Logged on 31-07-2015 00:53:05; asciilifeform: ;;later tell jurov would you please consider getting rid of the PILE OF SHIT appended to the filenames ?
jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-07-2015#1218903 as patch processing is part of scrubbing, easiest would be to just turn everything off and keep just ordinary mailing list
jurov: as i can't get it to work and nobody's using it, maybe that would be for the best
jurov: plus without scrubbing everyone'd be able to take some clearsigned text, slap on malicious JS and whatnot and have it published
jurov: win-win scenario
punkman: does it let html emails through?
jurov: emails are let through mostly unchanged. we're talikng about archives
shinohai: I'm sure you'll get it fixed jurov
jurov: eventually.
shinohai: Same with me with this cross-compilation shit. I just got to take a breather and keep researching, eventually I'll get it.
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Adlai: !up deedbot-
deedbot-: imported: FCBC64EFDF1D6C1E4E964AEE4D88596A7CDA03F9
deedbot-: accepted: 1
punkman: Adlai: does the rocket fly?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [BTR] 1322 @ 0.00111 = 1.4674 BTC
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danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-07-2015#1218371 << you never asked, but yes if you do not believe the entire Bible you will be destroyed for eternity in the lake of fire
assbot: Logged on 30-07-2015 18:39:51; shinohai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-07-2015#1218302 <<< I'll make an exception in your case danielpbarron, because not once have you told me "shinohai, you gonna FRY!"
shinohai: At the very least, I have not cursed God one time in all my failures with this pogo danielpbarron, so maybe there is hope for me yet.
danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-07-2015#1218382 << they are hypocrites. The Bible explicitly says to not pray in public. (Matthew 6:5)
assbot: Logged on 30-07-2015 19:09:50; shinohai: trinque: I do regularly mumble prayers in public to Satan, when fundamentalists ruin my meal by trying to pray loudly over their food for 30 minutes.
danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-07-2015#1218391 << 7-year-old-me would have said "don't kill me!" so...
assbot: Logged on 30-07-2015 19:12:18; mircea_popescu: * danielpbarron too << maybe solution then is ask 7 yo kid if they should be killed and do the opposite.
shinohai: I have read the Bible many times and have come to the conclusion that the majority of "Christians" I have met or seen are decidedly un-Christlike.
danielpbarron: yes, same here.
danielpbarron: and that is a correct observation
danielpbarron: and it is perfectly in-line with the predictions of The Bible
shinohai: Also, Luke 17:2
danielpbarron: Jesus Himself wondered if there would be anyone who believes when He returns
danielpbarron: ya, false teachers are the most despicable people on earth
kakobrekla: nah, the correct observation would be that religion is a virus and religious people ill.
shinohai: I believe if you are going to follow a faith, you can't just pick and choose the parts that sound cherry to you.
danielpbarron: i guess that's not too far off from my own experience, in that I did not choose to believe, although the way I see it is that God made me well and it's all the non-believers who are still ill
shinohai: I'd rather say "I'm an atheist" and be wrong, than be one of the hypocrites danielpbarron describes.
danielpbarron: "atheist" probably have better chances of being saved than most self-described christians
jurov: shinohai how can you ever choose a faith otherwise?
jurov: if you are convinced that you're despicable scum and choose a faith that says so.. then you cherrypicked too
shinohai: If there *is* a God jurov, I'd like to think he chooses you, instead of vice-versa. I know all the "free will" speeches.
shinohai: Free will seems like an excuse, like God is setting you up for failure.
jurov: you still need to decide when He talks to you and when not
danielpbarron: the concept of "free will" has no foundation in The Bible
danielpbarron: God causes all things, both good and evil
danielpbarron: (Isaiah 45:7)
shinohai: If that is true, then does that mean God is equal part Satan as well? I don't follow.
danielpbarron: satan is not nearly as big of a deal as most people are lead to believe
danielpbarron: God causes satan (and everyone else for that matter) to do what he does, and satan will too be destroyed in the lake of fire
danielpbarron: not rule it
shinohai: That is predestination, no?
danielpbarron: yay eulora is back up!
shinohai: So if god already knows I am evil and he is going to send me to hell, what is the point of even trying?
jurov: so everything is just a big puppet show?
danielpbarron: not just knows but actually created you for the purpose of being that way
jurov: A new commandment I give upon thee: lean back and enjoy!
kakobrekla: eh please, even Exaybachay has better stories than that.
shinohai: I'm not interested in being a pawn in some celestial chess match, tbh.
danielpbarron: right, The Bible says fear nothing but God. It's relaxing to believe because no longer do you have to worry about each and every hyped up "terrorism" that people try to sell
kakobrekla: you know the bible has the credibility of the santa story
danielpbarron: i hate the santa story
shinohai: To me, it was a relief to say "idgaf" about it all anymore.
kakobrekla: on pair with your book.
danielpbarron: i recently told a friend's 5 year old son that anyone who tries to tell him about santa is a liar
kakobrekla: well, could be just sick.
jurov: kakobrekla: God caused you to :)
shinohai: I also can't believe that throughout 2000+ years of Christianity's existence that some unknown "non-denomination" comes along and finally gets it right,
shinohai: right here in good 'ol 'murica
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shinohai: Because Jesus was obviously a homophobic, racist, bigot right?
shinohai: The Jesus that is portrayed in the gospels seems the polar opposite of all that is preached now.
danielpbarron: Jesus is the same God as the one in the old testament
danielpbarron: and He isn't afraid of homosexuals as the suffix "phobic" implies
danielpbarron: and there may very well have been true churches along the way from 2000 years ago to today, I just don't know about them
danielpbarron: not surprising that they are unknown, as scripture informs us that the world will hate the truth
shinohai: Surely God's ego can handle different ways of approaching him.
shinohai: Not sure if my pal pussyfreak is here, but he is a Java developer. I hate Java, but I haven't tried to kill him or tell him he is going to fry if he doesn't use Python instead.
davout: shinohai: he is already frying in hell
davout: "Those who believe there is a difference between nirvana and samsara, are already in samsara"
kakobrekla: the world will hate the truth < what every liar said too.
kakobrekla: thats the first thing you establish before telling lies.
davout: does reddit haet? yes? then it's probably true
kakobrekla: does ba haet? yes? then its probably true.
davout: heh
davout: we should migrate to #bitcoin-asshaet
danielpbarron: well the fact that i'm not banned from here yet is a good sign for you guys
davout: every king has its fool
davout: and i have to say i'm amused :D
shinohai: danielpbarron: I think it is wrong to ban a person just because they hold different beliefs. I have plenty of Xstian friends.
danielpbarron: lol no it's the "christians" who ban me
danielpbarron: there was a channel on efnet i used to hang out in way back when i was still atheist
danielpbarron: earlier this year they effectively banned me for telling people they were going to hell
danielpbarron: particularly one of the other regulars there, a practitioner of modern judaism
kakobrekla: I think it is wrong to ban a person just because they hold different beliefs. < this doesnt make much sense , but > I think it is wrong to ban a person just because are sick. < does.
shinohai: Well I could certainly phrase it better kakobrekla. My brain is rather fried atm.
kakobrekla: its not about phrasing, its about meaning.
decimation: danielpbarron: what does a 'practitioner of modern judaism' do exactly? like, they know they torah and tanakh but are too cool to follow them?
decimation: kakobrekla: why are religious people any more ill for holding a conviction about the supernatural than atheists - who hold similar convictions?
kakobrekla: decimation note that im speaking of 'religious' and not 'spiritual'. i think that answers your question.
decimation: not in the least. how do you distinguish?
kakobrekla: example: i dont know exactly what consciousness is, but i am not going to go believing santa didit and act like a psychopath in that name.
asciilifeform: http://nosuchlabs.com/stats << tank is empty and is to be refilled this weekend. anyone who wants to test a key - now's the time.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu dulap desperately needs to not be the only industrial-sized therealbitcoin node. phuctor is severely i/o starved.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: dpaste: 1MEA7DD: therealbitcoin on dulap since 7/5 ... ( http://bit.ly/1LUNeLx )
asciilifeform: ^ if this is not a memory leak, then i fart toyotas.
asciilifeform: ain't mempool either.
asciilifeform: (though mempool is probably the mechanism for said leak)
asciilifeform: desperately need formal introspection knobs for mempool.
decimation: asciilifeform: news to me: did you know you could send udp packets by writing to /dev/udp/ip/port?
asciilifeform: decimation: you can do just about anything this way on recent kernels
decimation: very handy for piping to remote machine
asciilifeform: i like 'netcat'
decimation: yeah, but it is quirky
decimation: I wish it had built-in rate limiting for example - and packet size
decimation: I also found a utility called 'pipe viewer' (pv) that rate-limits pipes - handy for both of the above tools
assbot: ivarch.com: Pipe Viewer ... ( http://bit.ly/1UcaK9I )
decimation: one could almost shell-script your udp verifier
asciilifeform: gotta work at line speed
asciilifeform: with no heap usage.
asciilifeform: this is key.
decimation: well, yeah. except for that part
decimation: why not a fixed amount of heap?
asciilifeform: because fragging
asciilifeform: otherwise it doesn't matter where you put the buffer, so long as it gets used, whole, for every decode, with no further allocatory shenanigans
decimation: pratically speaking it is best to keep the whole footprint smaller than the L3 cache on your cpu
asciilifeform: incidentally, if one is optimizing for max performance on tiny data set, on an x86 pc, it is worth considering 'cache as ram mode'
asciilifeform: which cpu powers up in, when loading bios
asciilifeform: this is only even theoretically usable for own code if you have a ~real~ (that is, amd, and 'coreboot'able) machine
decimation: I should think rsa would fit in 8mb
asciilifeform: easily 8kb
asciilifeform: depending on key length
decimation: thus, stack
asciilifeform: folks dealing with mircea_popescu-style packet filtration problems and similar operations really ought to consider it.
decimation: if a multicore machine, no reason why not a single io controller and multiple checker threads
decimation: but I doubt it is even needed for 1gb pipe
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [BTR] 10000 @ 0.00111 = 11.1 BTC
asciilifeform: decimation: the only hitch is that modern nics appear to demand ram access
asciilifeform: (they walk ring buffer when tx-ing or rx-ing frames)
decimation: yes, not only that but multi-core interrupts too
asciilifeform: nah interrupts are optional
decimation: ideally you would want promiscuous mode
decimation: so you wouldn't even need to restrict yourself to a single ip
asciilifeform: what is the point of omitting this basic - and free - filter ?
decimation: it would only be helpful if you could install 'upstream' on a big isp network
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asciilifeform: eh, those have proper asics, afaik
asciilifeform: built for the job
decimation: yes the switches do, but generally the switch also has 'monitor port'
asciilifeform: re: yesterday's thread, i'm frankly surprised that mircea_popescu ~didn't~ buy the trunk line
decimation: yes, it seems his requirements are well within the capabilities of pedestrian switches/routers
asciilifeform: go try and ddos a tier 1.
asciilifeform: i expect him to answer that he didn't buy it for the same reason he won't buy a 'boeing'.
asciilifeform: but if, like or not, you transport a herd of elephants every friday, buying the 'boeing' may be a logical choice
decimation: yeah, would have to spend $10k-100k on router
decimation: cisco 3945e claims to handle 3mpps (64byte) for instance, can be had on ebay for 5-10k
decimation: and yes, I realize we all hate cisco
asciilifeform: i think he'd rather move the packets with pencil and paper than so much as look at a 'cisco'
decimation: fine, brocade sells cer 2024f-rt for $30k
decimation: does 65 mpps
danielpbarron: decimation> danielpbarron: what does a 'practitioner of modern judaism' do exactly? << someone who believes in old testament stuff and not new testament. And yeah they also have some other books they add to scripture like the "oral tradition"
decimation: yes, 'tanakh'
danielpbarron: I hesitate to call them "Jews" because you don't have to be blood-line to practice judaism, and Christians are the true Jews
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [BTR] 5000 @ 0.00111 = 5.55 BTC
decimation: danielpbarron: yes, agreed
assbot: Police investigate car crash into Capitol barricade - WTOP ... ( http://bit.ly/1DfhY8o )
mircea_popescu: <gribble> Sent 57 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> dulap desperately needs to not be the only industrial-sized therealbitcoin node. phuctor is severely i/o starved << so help hanbot get it going.
shinohai: asciilifeform: what, exactly, constitutes an industrial-sized therealbitcoin node?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-07-2015#1218822 << and why shouldn't they. as long as there's idiots with excess fat...
assbot: Logged on 30-07-2015 22:05:10; shinohai: I think I read somewhere that failed "social currency" reddcoin 's lead developer quit, after squandering all their IPCO funds, and now they are going to attempt round two.
mircea_popescu: shinohai something on a 100mbit pipe i imagine he means
shinohai: mkay.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-07-2015#1218827 << i find it's a pretty good heuristic, this. plaintext html ? guy's doing ok. bootstrap ? retarded kids couldn't find their way to etsy.
assbot: Logged on 30-07-2015 22:06:27; ascii_field: no 'css' on that www !
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [BTR] 5000 @ 0.00111 = 5.55 BTC
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-07-2015#1218839 << it's funny how this shit works. "malleability" might be responsible. us agents might be responsible. santa claus might be responsible. not the fat fuck and his various friends throughout the redditard community.
assbot: Logged on 30-07-2015 22:35:30; trinque: holy shit, at least he said it aloud
assbot: Logged on 31-07-2015 01:09:04; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i will point out that i have not been able to locate an elbrus, nor has, last i asked, mircea_popescu, nor anyone else i know
mircea_popescu: bfl miners
mircea_popescu: some Luke-Jr somewhere swore he "was delivered" and the fishwrappers echoed the unverified, unsubstantial claim is all.
mircea_popescu: maybe in a decade or w/e.
mircea_popescu: "Although Wikileaks first publicized the emails in 2012, they did not release all of them until two years later." << lmao wut, rly ?!
mircea_popescu: ;;google Stratfor lolololor
gribble: Stratfor lolololor. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/stratfor-lolololor>; December 2011 on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2011/12>; Breaking News on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/category/breaking-news/>
mircea_popescu: more like 2011 but whatever.
mircea_popescu: dude how the fuck does this braindamaged fucktarded generation work, already.
mircea_popescu: waht 2012! what two years later!
mircea_popescu: i'm not THAT elite already.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-07-2015#1218934 << check it out, linux might catch up with fucking ms-dos on its next release.
assbot: Logged on 31-07-2015 01:22:26; asciilifeform: i.e. if you built it and it ended up sitting down in /home/luser/a/b/d/e/f/g/p/q/r/s, it will stay there. or rebuild WHOLE THING again.
mike_c: cazalla: belated thanks!
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-07-2015#1218967 << this is a good point. labour costs are not a problem per se - they're set as policy lever (and more effectiuve at controlling wage strucure in the us than any sort of law)
assbot: Logged on 31-07-2015 02:33:54; BingoBoingo: So long as McDonalds has few corporate stores they have to staff and having staff at all is largely a franchisee problem McDonalds will automate for consistency (i.e. robogrill) instead of doing so to purely reduce labor.
mircea_popescu: by now usg painted itself in the very sad corner where it has to provide housing for free and does the whole ration meal thing via mcd. all the drawbacks of centrally planned, scarcely any of the benefits.
mircea_popescu: (on paper they should get the major benefit of blame deflection, but in practice it dun work, everyone bames washington anyway)
assbot: Logged on 31-07-2015 02:37:25; BingoBoingo: Well, they will probably keep humans at the cash register to provide a surface for customers to direct anger at.
mircea_popescu: also useful for forced public nudity social experiments etc.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-07-2015#1218982 << i don't generally think much of the derponymous. others don't care.
assbot: Logged on 31-07-2015 03:06:06; coderwill: Ah, thanks for the background - that's really interesting. I myself am thinking about a new project, and was wondering if in this day and age it is a disadvantage to attach a real-life identify to the Internet.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-07-2015#1218987 << zing, mats. now what ? gonna backtrack on it ?
assbot: Logged on 31-07-2015 03:12:24; BingoBoingo: mats: I'm still out on bond... as I have been since May 2013
assbot: Logged on 31-07-2015 03:17:35; decimation: either he was a brilliant ru spy, or he was a self-appointed reddit internet policeman
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-07-2015#1219013 << the usg has a problem with its millenarist, one-world approach, which is stepping on everyone's toes.
assbot: Logged on 31-07-2015 03:24:40; decimation: now, I do think usg has a real problem with its 'secret services' running amock, making a mess of things, and generally being completely untransparent to anybody
mats: nah, still dramatic.
mircea_popescu: if it came to terms with the fact that they're in charge of a population of shitheads in a poorly developed country barely hanging on to the first world, with decaying infrastructure they can't upkeep etc,
mircea_popescu: they'd prolly fade off the hate radar and we could all move on to hate putin and the chinese hydra like god meant it.
mircea_popescu: problem is that the last people who could think retired in the late 80s, and the leftover idiots will not yield until trampled. so they'll get trampled, short detour, we move on to hating ru and cn in 2030.
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mircea_popescu checks his pre-printed macro sociopolitics calendar
mircea_popescu: mmyeah, something like that.
mircea_popescu: "The aim of this mail is to let you know that, according to default, your bank account has been put on credit hold status, and will remain so until your balance will be completely liquidated. Your attention to this matter is sorely encouraged."
mircea_popescu: words!!!1
assbot: Logged on 31-07-2015 03:29:11; asciilifeform: point is that 'heroes hang when traitors triumph' (tm) (r)
mircea_popescu: way i read this sort of stuff from you is like so : "stoicism is important for one's balance" ; "the stoic position is 'heroes hang when traitors triumph'" ergo "i will look through time and retroactively call traitors those who succeed and heros those who fail, irrespective of how derps generally fail and competent people are rarely unimpeachable, because i really have no other ways and means to maintain balance so i'
mircea_popescu: m stuck with this pile of insanity"
mircea_popescu: the main problem with this syllogism is, perhaps counterintuitively, its tail.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56600 @ 0.0005204 = 29.4546 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: there's plenty of gyroscopes much cheaper, faster and broadly speaking better than "reinterpret history"
assbot: Logged on 31-07-2015 03:31:00; asciilifeform: the total war against honest history is a specifically 20th c. thing (if we discount chinese and egyptian monarchs who were deeply into rewriting the books)
mircea_popescu: les encyclopederastes were chiefly in this same business.
mircea_popescu: the business model of wikipedia is ~exactly~ the same
mircea_popescu: everyone at all points in time and space was hard at work at making it impossible to write a history he doesn't wanna hear.
mircea_popescu: this includes bacteriums.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-07-2015#1219051 << amusingly, mike hearn's attempt to do the exact same for bitcoin at the exact same time ALSO seems to be a secret only we know.
assbot: Logged on 31-07-2015 03:53:10; asciilifeform: coderwill: on top of the thousand and one other sins, tor linked in ssl at the height of 'heartbleed' - something which pretty much nobody is speaking of today
mircea_popescu: they're going through the good dev bad dev routine on reddit, somehow none of them seem to remember where the actual ammo is stored.
mircea_popescu: herpitty-derp and a bottle of "thank you for all your hard work".
mircea_popescu: ;;google multumim din inima partidului
gribble: Multumim din Inima Partidului - Cintece Patriotice - Epoca de Aur ...: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKkDeGpEi4s>; Multumim din Inima Partidului - PCR - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDDv22CIaRw>; Corul de copii radio-Multumim din inima partidului - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xx9TFc3aauM>
mircea_popescu: !up ShawnLeary
mircea_popescu: looking forward to all the reddit threadsa going "thank you mp for bashing hearn's head right before hearn managed that one".
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28050 @ 0.00052768 = 14.8014 BTC [+]
assbot: Logged on 31-07-2015 05:17:09; punkman: he should practice his archery on those protestors outside his office
assbot: Logged on 31-07-2015 09:34:04; jurov: plus without scrubbing everyone'd be able to take some clearsigned text, slap on malicious JS and whatnot and have it published
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-07-2015#1219161 << there's no wai out with you people is there.
assbot: Logged on 31-07-2015 12:47:20; danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-07-2015#1218391 << 7-year-old-me would have said "don't kill me!" so...
mircea_popescu: what the fuck cult is this with such diversity.
mircea_popescu adds "cult doesn't work" to the ever-lengthy-er list with "linux doesn't work and gcc doesn't compile" on it.
mircea_popescu: actually this may well be how to know you live at the dawn of a civilisation. shit doesn't work and you imagine this to be an exceptional, remarkable, worrisome thing.
mircea_popescu: or in other words the advantage of non-orphans is that they have parents to blame.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-07-2015#1219170 << culture, generally. observation as ancient as the original cro-magnon / neanderthal divide. N the Ist famously made it, and look where it got him!
assbot: Logged on 31-07-2015 12:49:57; kakobrekla: nah, the correct observation would be that religion is a virus and religious people ill.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-07-2015#1219177 << the conflict there's purely rhetoric. in the much more comprehensible slave-master dynamic, it's still teh master that chooses the slavegirl. the perceived challenges to free choice this brings are purely imagined by the perceiver.
assbot: Logged on 31-07-2015 12:56:17; shinohai: If there *is* a God jurov, I'd like to think he chooses you, instead of vice-versa. I know all the "free will" speeches.
assbot: Logged on 31-07-2015 13:20:01; shinohai: Not sure if my pal pussyfreak is here, but he is a Java developer. I hate Java, but I haven't tried to kill him or tell him he is going to fry if he doesn't use Python instead.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-07-2015#1219234 << yet sick is strictly the most common, oldest and widestly still used reason to ban someone.
assbot: Logged on 31-07-2015 13:32:51; kakobrekla: I think it is wrong to ban a person just because they hold different beliefs. < this doesnt make much sense , but > I think it is wrong to ban a person just because are sick. < does.
mircea_popescu: google staten island and for that matter recent suspension of flights to africa.
shinohai: I could never wrap my head around java at all.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89556 @ 0.00052078 = 46.639 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 221292 @ 0.00051452 = 113.8592 BTC [-] {6}
ben_vulpes: <trinque> boost also barfs about a number of targets, none of which seem to have mattered. << have seen, wrestled this beast, multiply
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-07-2015#1219316 << hanbot, what are the remaining issues?
assbot: Logged on 31-07-2015 15:01:30; mircea_popescu: <gribble> Sent 57 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> dulap desperately needs to not be the only industrial-sized therealbitcoin node. phuctor is severely i/o starved << so help hanbot get it going.
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assbot: Logged on 31-07-2015 15:07:09; shinohai: asciilifeform: what, exactly, constitutes an industrial-sized therealbitcoin node?
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-07-2015#1219322 << handwritten. like his asm. the whole site and product is a thing of beauty.
assbot: Logged on 31-07-2015 15:09:07; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-07-2015#1218827 << i find it's a pretty good heuristic, this. plaintext html ? guy's doing ok. bootstrap ? retarded kids couldn't find their way to etsy.
assbot: “Suspicion of treason”: German attorney general investigates journalists | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1MXLsaV )
mats: AG gets breached
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-07-2015#1219379 << on reflection, mircea_popescu is right. but 20th c. tech ~does~ make a difference, we are not living in the age of diderot et al
assbot: Logged on 31-07-2015 15:47:53; mircea_popescu: les encyclopederastes were chiefly in this same business.
assbot: Logged on 31-07-2015 15:45:57; mircea_popescu: there's plenty of gyroscopes much cheaper, faster and broadly speaking better than "reinterpret history"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32822 @ 0.00054676 = 17.9458 BTC [+] {2}
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-07-2015#1219395 << i still don't see how this is supposed to work. if signed by l1 - gets posted. otherwise - not.
assbot: Logged on 31-07-2015 15:59:14; assbot: Logged on 31-07-2015 09:34:04; jurov: plus without scrubbing everyone'd be able to take some clearsigned text, slap on malicious JS and whatnot and have it published
jurov: ascii_field: it only checks whether it has clearsigned text somewhere
trinque: decimation | asciilifeform: news to me: did you know you could send udp packets by writing to /dev/udp/ip/port?
trinque: decimation | asciilifeform: news to me: did you know you could send udp packets by writing to /dev/udp/ip/port?
trinque: decimation | asciilifeform: news to me: did you know you could send udp packets by writing to /dev/udp/ip/port?
ascii_field: trinque needs new keyboard ?
jurov: attachments are not filtered depending on whether they have a sig or not
trinque: decimation: I believe /dev/udp and /dev/tcp are bashisms which do not actually exist as a device node
ascii_field: jurov: gotta only post the signed bits
trinque: ah fuck
trinque: well there you go, in triplicate
ascii_field: jurov: and it isn't true that 'no one uses' turdatron. ~i~ use.
ascii_field: (hence why i bitch about it nonstop!)
jurov: ascii_field: yes that calls for enhancing the scrubber not for removing it as trinque said
ascii_field: i've no issue with the scrubber, only the filename mutilator
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mircea_popescu: ascii_field what difference does it make ? technology pointedly makes no social difference, as per http://trilema.com/2012/anonimity-or-the-urban-versus-rural-dispute/#selection-201.223-209.0
assbot: Anonimity, or the urban versus rural dispute. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1MXNHv6 )
mircea_popescu: ascii_field [...] such as ? << been thinking of a usable packaging for your convenience since i said that.
mircea_popescu: jurov why the fuck would it publish anything whatsoever other than what l1 people signed is beyond me.
mircea_popescu: what is this, equality welfare world ?
jurov: well, cuz it processes only one attachment at a time and i'm too lazy to redo it to consider signatures
mircea_popescu: yeah but...
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-07-2015#1219237 << took the socialism part out of it, threw out the rest, are good libertards.
assbot: Logged on 31-07-2015 13:45:16; decimation: danielpbarron: what does a 'practitioner of modern judaism' do exactly? like, they know they torah and tanakh but are too cool to follow them?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-07-2015#1219247 << shit that looks like the all-elusive last leak (tm)
assbot: Logged on 31-07-2015 14:06:24; asciilifeform: ^ if this is not a memory leak, then i fart toyotas.
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: next-to-last
ascii_field: (last is the one where each new block perma-swallows 300 byte of ram)
mircea_popescu: nah, that one we know
mircea_popescu: there is one we don't know.
mircea_popescu: i guess you're right huh. next to last, worst.
ascii_field: hence next-to-last.
mircea_popescu: hopefully it actually is one.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: btw, is there any reason we oughtn't shoot any tx that's hung around in mempool for more than a few days ?
mircea_popescu: i'll feel like having a lava lamp taken out of my asshole once this can finally be said. "no leaks!"
mircea_popescu: ascii_field yeh. they could be legit. you don't wanna assume about the pool
ascii_field: 'legit' is not a permanent citizenship in my machine ram !
mircea_popescu: how about two weeks ?
ascii_field: who ever hangs for two weeks waiting for a block ?!
kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-07-2015#1219408 < if someone has herpes simplex let them be, if someone comes here saying stupid shit, that wont fly.
assbot: Logged on 31-07-2015 16:14:16; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-07-2015#1219234 << yet sick is strictly the most common, oldest and widestly still used reason to ban someone.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field thinking about this... is this the thing that already drops shit txn ?
assbot: Logged on 31-07-2015 14:22:33; asciilifeform: re: yesterday's thread, i'm frankly surprised that mircea_popescu ~didn't~ buy the trunk line
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-07-2015#1219299 << you somehow opt to neglect the point that this was actually done in practice.
assbot: Logged on 31-07-2015 14:24:11; asciilifeform: go try and ddos a tier 1.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: yes we drop
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: was?!
mircea_popescu: so if we drop how could anything end up 2 weeks old ?
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: we drop ~bastard~ tx
mircea_popescu: seems like an excellent error catcher, you wanna see if anything makes it that late.
mircea_popescu: hence...
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: that is, tx without an antecedent block in the machine
mircea_popescu: nono, "tx paying too little per byte compared to others we know"
ascii_field: this, eventually, yes
ascii_field: but i'm not certain why bitcoind must be a long-term flophouse for tx that can't find a block to sit down in for weeks
ascii_field: let the fella who generated it, rebroadcast until it gets in
assbot: Logged on 31-07-2015 14:31:24; decimation: fine, brocade sells cer 2024f-rt for $30k
mircea_popescu: ascii_field for many reasons. such as for instance that we could see a situation where enemy controls 80% of hash and refuses to include your txn
mircea_popescu: until someone in the 20% mines, it waits.
mircea_popescu: generally speaking, every restriction is dumb.
mircea_popescu: and as luck usually goes, we wil lcome to regret it.
ascii_field: but why shouldn't it wait on its owner's box ?
ascii_field: why on mine ?
mircea_popescu: you relay.
ascii_field: see, this is a 'fella walks in from the street and gets something for having a pulse' situation
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30450 @ 0.0005414 = 16.4856 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: tx passed the test, and is now a tx. should get something for this.
danielpbarron: you'd have to keep the transaction in order to remember to not include it later
mircea_popescu: this is the required balance to this scheme. yes, we kill all idiot children without anyu regard to the ever rising blood level on the floor or the tears of their mothers.
mircea_popescu: but once they made it through that, they can have whatever they want.
ascii_field: they can't have the n bytes when my machine only has K-n to offer !
ascii_field: we have an elementary situation of not-enough-food-for-the-childrenz
mircea_popescu: which is why the idea is to have X bytes, and then allow tx in according to pay.
ascii_field: but they pay miners
ascii_field: not relay
mircea_popescu: the problem is solved there. no point solving it n other places.
mircea_popescu: yes. yes they do.
ascii_field: relay has to sit, eat the cost of existing
mircea_popescu: we try to make this not be different
mircea_popescu: relay will hopefully be paid by miner.
mircea_popescu: yes rly.
kakobrekla: dragons will enforce it.
punkman: hope doesn't pay server bills
mircea_popescu: the only way relaying as currently deployed may survive is if it somehow ends up in a compact with mining
ascii_field: even if, on some distant tomorrow, we get this jam,
ascii_field: my machine is not a hilbert hotel !
ascii_field: has FINITE bytes
ascii_field: can't have a monotonic eater of these.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field again : we have a pool of X bytes. tx are allowed in only if they pay more than average fore that x.
mircea_popescu: this is where that problem is solved. no point also solving it somewhere else.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: does this mean that we lose half of all tx ?
ascii_field: and then half of who remains ?
mircea_popescu: whatever %
ascii_field: ad infinitum ?
danielpbarron can imagine situations in which full node operators get paid for the service of relaying -- for example, 1) end user pays node to relay his tx and 2) miner pays node to give him the choicest high-fee paying tx's exclusively
mircea_popescu: if you have 8mb and mempool is actually 8gb, you lose 99.9%
ascii_field: so, only do this when cache is full ?
ascii_field: (at present, a node has no notion of 'full')
mircea_popescu: you set 10 bytes aside for "mempool". 1 tx comes, has 2 bytes pays 5. goes in. brings 4 brothers.
mircea_popescu: now cache is full and to get in, either pay 10 per byte or go dangle.
ascii_field: this works.
ascii_field: who wants to implement ?
kakobrekla: and each node has different cache size, brings on a bunch of mess
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla that mess is good.
mircea_popescu: this thing needs 3 knobs : total ram to be made available to relayer, and min $/byte to accept.
funkenstein_: so where does it go in the TX? is there an OP_ANYONE_CAN_RECEIVE or something for the relayers/mempool operators to put their addy in?
funkenstein_: or maybe best to keep the payment for those services in a separate tx
mircea_popescu: or they could just rent vpn access like anyone ever since forever.
kakobrekla: but then you need another tx to cover for that tx
danielpbarron: you tell the full node what inputs and what outputs, node says ok here's a raw tx to sign (it includes an extra output pointing at node's own addr) and now you sign and give back
kakobrekla: and another for that tx
kakobrekla: and another
mircea_popescu: why the fuck does everyone imagine the internet = the web is beyond me.
kakobrekla: and .. you know where this goes
funkenstein_: loll, all the way down
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: wai wat, who ?
mircea_popescu: how do you think i buy pipe from tr ?
mircea_popescu: tr=thomson reuters for simplicity.
ascii_field used to work there
mircea_popescu: good for you. so how did they sell datafeeds ? txn blabla ?
ascii_field was not involved with this
mircea_popescu: anyway. it bears insistingly repeating : the internet is big. the web is a pustule on its ass.
ascii_field: well yes.
mircea_popescu: wellsothen.
ascii_field: did i miss a line in the log? where did the web thing come in
mircea_popescu: i got annoyed at the "oh noes, how could this thing that's been done since forever be done"
mircea_popescu takes off to get more alcohol.
ascii_field: ah l0l
danielpbarron: !up ShawnLeary
danielpbarron: who are yoU?
ShawnLeary: I'm Shawn Leary
ShawnLeary: I'm the organizer of the Jacksonville FL Bitcoin Meetup
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11150 @ 0.00053165 = 5.9279 BTC [-]
funkenstein_: danielpbarron> you tell the full node what inputs and what outputs, node says ok here's a raw tx to sign (it includes an extra output pointing at node's own addr) and now you sign and give back <-- this could work
jurov: is that you?
ShawnLeary: I like long walks on the beach and counterparty
trinque: lol
danielpbarron: heh i kinda like counterparty too
danielpbarron: you heard of MEAT?
ShawnLeary: is that like YACHTMONEY?
danielpbarron: i don't follow the XCP scene, i just occasionally put up buy/sell orders for my asset
danielpbarron: on a related note, someone bought up all my shares and I haven't bothered to re-up yet
ShawnLeary: so MEAT is an asset then?
ShawnLeary: why would one want to own MEAT? to beat it? ;)
danielpbarron: it's backed 1:1 with 'meat' from Kingdom of Loathing
danielpbarron: not to be taken seriously -- I don't think it will be possible to keep an exchange on the blockchain if bitcoin is to have a future
ShawnLeary: this is my first day in this channel, so will do some more reading and research on it. Do you have a link to Kingdom of Loathing?
danielpbarron: but it's very interesting to me that there can be alternative tokens of exchange on the same proof-of-work
danielpbarron: lol don't research KoL
danielpbarron: just read the log here
ShawnLeary: blockchain all the things :)
danielpbarron: if you must research a game, do Eulora
danielpbarron: we need more n00bs to gather stuff for us and to be apprentice crafters
danielpbarron: and Eulora needs no such silly currency pass-through to have access to bitcoin, as it's currency du-jour is already bitcoin
shinohai: I don't even think I own a computer capable of playing Eulora on xD
danielpbarron: i think even the most basic graphics card should work; it's not the most cutting edge stuff
ShawnLeary: Spells of Genesis?
shinohai: ewwww
danielpbarron: i used to have poor FPS but someone showed me what to comment out of a file to make all the superflous terrain decorations go away and that helped a lot
punkman: Eulora's kinda laggy for me, with ati6450 or something
trinque: ShawnLeary: best thing for you is to read the logs at log.bitcoin-assets.com; you'll find many topics you may (think you) have opinions on have already been treated there, and exceptionally well.
shinohai wishes ppl still played MUDs
punkman: shinohai: they do
shinohai: Well I do on sdf, just not a lot of players anymore
danielpbarron: shinohai, funny you say that; Eulora is supposed to eventually have a MUD-style client
shinohai: Now THAT would be awesomeness
danielpbarron: no reason to always render the whole 3d world
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danielpbarron: a great deal of the gameplay is just numbers and waiting
danielpbarron: like crafting and trading
trinque: shinohai: I wanna say I had an SDF account in high school
trinque: haven't seen that in very long
punkman: shinohai: you might also enjoy this website http://ifdb.tads.org/
assbot: The Interactive Fiction Database - IF and Text Adventures ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hb1AAT )
shinohai: I always liked reading, so those sorts of games can really pull me in.
shinohai: thx punkman
punkman: (can play most games there straight in your browser)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [BTR] 1000 @ 0.00111 = 1.11 BTC
shinohai: I ran a little citadel server for a while, which is about as basic of BBS as I can think of.
punkman: danielpbarron: no reason to always render the whole 3d world << the 3d world serves no purpose at the moment if you ask me
ShawnLeary: telnet MUDs?
ShawnLeary: man that's going back
ShawnLeary: I had to admit it, but as a young man I spent time on FuryMUCK
danielpbarron: punkman, you might not be wrong there.. but then again the game is so mysterious I can't say that for sure
shinohai: I don't like all the "fluff" of the interwebs as much.
danielpbarron: for example, the mechanics are so poorly spaded that we can't be sure if it's always advantageous to level up; there might be cause to intentionally stunt your growth
danielpbarron: depending on context of course (it is very advantageous to level up in the long run)
mircea_popescu: <punkman> Eulora's kinda laggy for me, with ati6450 or something << it's pretty much all due to bad opengl implementation / dubious drivers. on compliant card-driver combos you get ~1k fps if reaosnably modern.
mircea_popescu: i'm seeing 120 consistently on various 2007-2010 midmarket nvidia cards
mircea_popescu: * shinohai wishes ppl still played MUDs << kol is a glorified browser mud. not horrible, i guess... /me made it for a coupla days, had enough.
danielpbarron: hah you played it!?
shinohai: I don't see my platform listed, closest is Ubuntu
danielpbarron: not my kind of humor in the flavor text and the economy is not good enough to stick around
shinohai: Most browser MUDs I have seen require flash, which is a no-no for me.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron yeah, cuz you kept talking about it
mircea_popescu: word. exactly. there's so many silverman style dumbassery i can put up with.
mircea_popescu: o really, "Actually ed the undying" is funny ? mmkay.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> * shinohai wishes ppl still played MUDs << kol is a glorified browser mud. not horrible, i guess... /me made it for a coupla days, had enough. << What class did you give a go?
mircea_popescu: pastamancer. of course. i play necros almost exclusively. since about... 9.
danielpbarron: hahaha I'm also a pastamancer
danielpbarron: necro was also my favorite d2 character
mircea_popescu: i was doing pretty good, apparently im immune to the negative effects of qwops
mircea_popescu: because skill kills. and so spent my time in the ravensomething library reading "you and evil things, a love story"
danielpbarron: i thought those only drop from a certain unique item but then again i haven't played in a while
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron sadly necro sucked in d2, ended up forced to do a cold sorc like everyone else (that wasn't a paly). but did a witchdoctor in d3, for the... month or so that survived.
danielpbarron: yeh my main character online was a magic find barbarian
mircea_popescu: i can't believe nobody has written the epic story of the greatesrt failure in modern gaming. it's not daikatana, it's diablo 3.
danielpbarron: i've never seen a screencap from d3 let alone actually played it
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mircea_popescu: etc. if you care gan go through trololudens
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35092 @ 0.00053031 = 18.6096 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: Logged on 31-07-2015 12:04:00; punkman: Adlai: does the rocket fly?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79950 @ 0.00051121 = 40.8712 BTC [-]
ben_vulpes: <ascii_field> ocelots. << pallas cats!
decimation: wait, I pointed out this exact situation a few weeks ago and the conclusion was 'pay relay', not 'miner pays relay'
decimation: re: pay for tx relays
BingoBoingo: And now idiots are talking about replacing the 21 million coin cap, congrats Reddit https://medium.com/crypto-brief/should-21-million-bitcoin-be-the-cap-755b7f02ac4e
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ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: sha256sum buildroot-2015.05.tar.gz
ben_vulpes: 4199d2baa67451752b4313dff2b5347bf07995142182af0415c5831693d89013 buildroot-2015.05.tar.gz
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86350 @ 0.00052445 = 45.2863 BTC [+] {3}
ben_vulpes: sha1 matches the value in the providers sig tho
BingoBoingo: The @twobitallidiot is now all concerned abou "wealth concentration"
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: mosquitos drink blood, thieves want to steal. big fat surprise.
ascii_field: tr0l0l0l.
ben_vulpes: (in case you missed it, ascii_field, my hash of the buildroot tar doesn't match yours)
ascii_field: sig date ?
ascii_field: (his, not mine) ?
ben_vulpes: gpg: Signature made Sun 31 May 2015 09:29:39 PM UTC using DSA key ID 59C36319
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: also you took the 256 !!
ascii_field: mine - matches yours
ben_vulpes: bwaha.
ben_vulpes: silent division by two operator.
ben_vulpes: and mine yours.
ben_vulpes: false alarm.
trinque calls back the shitgnominators
shinohai: ;;later tell thestringpuller please message me if you are still working on Debian Eulora plox, thx.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: !up Michail
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12451 @ 0.00052503 = 6.5371 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8850 @ 0.00054215 = 4.798 BTC [+]
assbot: ChaOS - A Self-compiling Operating System ... ( http://bit.ly/1UcYkhR )
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
mircea_popescu: <danielpbarron> for example, the mechanics are so poorly spaded that << re that "spaded", just you wait until you discover it's actually a noncomputable multivariate which doesn't even allow stable solutions in the real space.
mircea_popescu: !up erg_
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo teh people whom nobody asked anything wondering about questions! it's a festival!
mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> The @twobitallidiot is now all concerned abou "wealth concentration" <<< in normal terms, "wealth concentration" means "power centers that are not alligned with usg".
BingoBoingo: Eh, it's too good for me to not have started putting together a qntra after runimating on it for a bit.
mircea_popescu: shinohai does the ubuntu thing not work on debian ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo it is pretty lulzy, if one lulz that way.
shinohai: Some of the dependencies are different for me, but I think I got it, mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: add a deb pagew to wiki if thi is the case.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It really brings the whole shitgnome scheme together, even though the Selkis kid isn't even gnome enough to be a shitgnome himself
mircea_popescu: yak, you know. anything can be yakked, and thus therfore on a long enough timeline with enough monkeys at keyboards, everything will be yakked.
erg_: thanks, mp
mircea_popescu: aha. what brings you here ?
erg_: looking for the intelligent voices in Bitcoin
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79450 @ 0.00052439 = 41.6628 BTC [-] {3}
shinohai: I made the point about monkeys and keyboards in a similar fashion a few days ago.
shinohai: Although in a self-deprecating manner.
shinohai: I'll be on the lookout for her to arrive by post. ;)
erg_: She looks too satisfied and too clothed
shinohai: http://redd.it/3f9e36 <<< moar ethereum lulz
assbot: Ethereum: the World Computer : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1guJODM )
mircea_popescu: oh, has it taken over my toaster yet ?
mircea_popescu reminds slavegirl to buy toaster so ethereum toasterworld takeover may proceed unhampered.
shinohai: God bless snapshillbot
trinque: "without any possibility of downtime" what the fuck is this shit
trinque: nevermind, I don't even want to bother.
erg_: What is the consensus here as to how Bitcoin evolves?? It occurs to me these debates about the software become less relevant in the future
shinohai: Welp, add that to mah bucket list - fuck with Ethereum and their uptime.
trinque: holy crap, they're trying to build in an end user programming thing
mircea_popescu: erg_ tried the log ?
mircea_popescu: trinque you just don't understand how marketing claims work.
shinohai: If I have learned anything from #bitcoin-assets, it's that I can break shit.
jurov: Bitcoin ftaghn.
erg_: reading some now - am new
trinque: mircea_popescu: I mean that glass pyramid is cool, I guess
mircea_popescu: Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu B'ah wgah'nagl fhtagn!
shinohai: There we go letting mircea_popescu read from the Necronomicon again.
mircea_popescu: trinque you old enough to remember when neobee took over cypruss or notrly ?
trinque: I vaguely recall them being some scam or another
mircea_popescu: ah it was glorious
mircea_popescu: too bad one can't take a snapshot of "the consensus" of webidiots.
trinque: I personally committed this end user programming fail at my last job
trinque: the idea that you can just you know, "unlock" the "creativity" of a randomly selected bovine if the UI's "intuitive" enough
trinque: wasn't my idea, but I bought in for sure
ben_vulpes retches
trinque: ben_vulpes: your grandmother doesn't want to write her own to-do app?
mircea_popescu: trinque was the original nonsense answer to the question of the web. "oh, UGC will fill the holes! all we have to do is throw some widgets together and this torrent of FREE!!11 creativity, valuable unfiltered, will wash us all the way to the bank"
mircea_popescu: made for some very lulzy years in the 90s
mircea_popescu: that these twerps are still suckling that old goat in 2015...
mircea_popescu: a lol unto itself.
trinque: yep, this was the sad aftershock of that
ben_vulpes is stuck maintaining the sad remnants of a UGC application
ben_vulpes: it somehow found revenue.
trinque: Mt Malinvestment
ben_vulpes: it's useful for that narrow slice of people who find it useful.
mircea_popescu: o hey i have a great idea
mircea_popescu: what if we made a website that was a marketplace for songs people wrote!
mircea_popescu: it could have like profile pages and upvotes
trinque: sounds like an uber-idea
mircea_popescu: we'll call them... flikes!
mircea_popescu: it's catchy.
mircea_popescu: thanks for the brainstorming guise, i think we created a lot of value. off to put another starbux coffee on this credit card someone mailed me for some reason.
ben_vulpes: needs tour booking affordances
trinque: brutal. my early 20s weep in pain
ben_vulpes: and shirt selling
mircea_popescu: ahgahahaha affordances ?!
ben_vulpes: and social media integration
mircea_popescu: is that dancing afore the fuck ?
ben_vulpes: oh yes affordances
ben_vulpes: no no the ui expert tells me that affordances are what you call things
mircea_popescu: (her name's Affor)
ben_vulpes: affogadances
trinque: ben_vulpes: imma need 3k for this moonscript conference I'm going to, kthx
BingoBoingo: !up Duffer1
mircea_popescu: isn't that making the twerp into way too much ? what's next, "donald trump tips illuminati agenda for toupes" ?
mircea_popescu: in other news on the templeos front, http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1090.cfm
assbot: TITLE: PROSTITUTE'S CONVENTION HERALDS THE FINAL STEP IN ACCEPTANCE, ACCORDING TO THE SIX STEP ATTITUDINAL CHANGE PLAN! - Christian Updates - New World Order. ... ( http://bit.ly/1guNc1r )
ben_vulpes: trinque: request approved, will reimburse once you close a deal worth 6k from conference generated leads
mircea_popescu: "When America finally gets to the point when she legalizes prostitution, as she already has legalized homosexuality, she will be at the point when God will execute His judgment upon her, I.e., Death. In Seminar #2, we demonstrate to you that we believe the "Economic Babylon" in Revelation 18 is the United States of America. Read this chapter with this thought in mind, and shudder at the physical destruction God may hav
mircea_popescu: e in store for us."
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes what, he's sales ?!
ben_vulpes: why the hell else is he going to a moonscript conference but to drum up more "fix my busted ass js" work?
trinque: ben_vulpes: b-b-but!
ben_vulpes: NO QUESTIONS
trinque: you're not nurturing my growth!
ben_vulpes: BUSINESS GROWS YOU GROW
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> isn't that making the twerp into way too much ? what's next, "donald trump tips illuminati agenda for toupes" ? << Kinda made himself too much after Gox. Twas bullet 1. This bullet 2.
trinque: mircea_popescu: shit no! I belong in the code dungeon
trinque: was just making fun
ben_vulpes: in jokes on in jokes
mircea_popescu: i still don't know what is he supposed to have done. rewrite trilema, badly, spend all day on twitter, try to come up with stuff on his own, made fool of self 3x, 5x, i forget. what's he notable for ?
mircea_popescu: at least that tv dude without a station is a fag. what's this guy got ?
mircea_popescu: trinque your joke application was denied. i will proceed to take the aforementioned seriously.
BingoBoingo: Basically all that. Mostly nothing. He apparently though is embeded in with the New York bitcoin theater.
trinque: lol
mircea_popescu: well hopefully he gets 2mn to best practices bitcoin or something.
ben_vulpes: next week: "hey trinque how's lunascript.butts?"
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes hey, i'll believe him once he turns it in over 9k lulz.
ben_vulpes: trinque: where's your expense report for these 9k in lulz?
shinohai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-07-2015#1219785 <<< You sound like a mormon or jehovah witness spot on
assbot: Logged on 31-07-2015 21:12:51; mircea_popescu: "When America finally gets to the point when she legalizes prostitution, as she already has legalized homosexuality, she will be at the point when God will execute His judgment upon her, I.e., Death. In Seminar #2, we demonstrate to you that we believe the "Economic Babylon" in Revelation 18 is the United States of America. Read this chapter with this thought in mind, and shudder at the physical dest
BingoBoingo: It seems like that's the sort of deal he has. Some fiaters pay him to run a fan club, he tries to "influence agent"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23400 @ 0.00051219 = 11.9852 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: shinohai it was a quote yo.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo they must be some choice derps, he's less effectual even than that southern republican lobby chick with a funny name.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: "But he went to a good school" - Famous last words, as far as I can tell also their Derp selection criteria. Best to head him off when he's weak least he Hearniate to a lager size
trinque: ben_vulpes: yeah sorry, I realized moonscript was going to cause me to think too much, so I'm working on a new type system for Fey which will somehow hide the fact that I'm still using JS in a browser
mircea_popescu: btw, anyone familiar with the personal history of one rachel uchitel ? some choice lulz there.
trinque: ben_vulpes: any chance we can slip the release date til never?
mircea_popescu: (ex hooker, applied for a private eye license, stuff like that. almost like an action movie plot irl)
ben_vulpes: trinque: naw i need it in two weeks
ben_vulpes: i'm locking you in the code hole until its done
trinque organizes a hackathon
ben_vulpes: or until you say its done
ben_vulpes: or until i find your dessicated corpse
ben_vulpes: whichever happens first
shinohai: I'm on religious high alert today, sorry
mircea_popescu: "Celebrity Rehab with Dr. Drew was a reality television show that aired on the cable network VH1 which chronicles a group of people as they are treated for alcohol and drug addiction by Dr. Drew Pinsky and his staff at the Pasadena Recovery Center in Pasadena, California. [...] In May 2013, Pinsky announced that season six was the final season, explaining that he was tired of the criticism leveled at him after celebrit
mircea_popescu: ies he treated had relapsed and died."
mircea_popescu: the many shades, the many sides, the many meanings of "treatment"
mircea_popescu: and this unfair criticism which quashes the creativity of quacks!
mircea_popescu: the world won't be a better place until we put an end to all this bullying, and global warming.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11650 @ 0.00052949 = 6.1686 BTC [+]
ben_vulpes: loveline was a pretty fun radio show.
trinque: in the "hey dude, smell this" kind of way
ben_vulpes: corolla and pinsky were no stern
ben_vulpes: heh trinque has it
trinque: train-wreck porn; I had many a lol
assbot: Django Girls one year later [LWN.net] ... ( http://bit.ly/1guRupF )
mircea_popescu despises women in flats.
trinque: ambassador of awesomeness, dear god
mircea_popescu: words because words.
trinque: good a segue as any to:
trinque: http://trilema.com/2014/please-take-your-pills/#selection-21.0-25.1 <--> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1153508 << there's something here which I've been chewing on for quite a while. I find that in myself past a certain point there are not words at all for the symbols I use to relate to my life. I've considered whether this is due to -->
assbot: Please take your pills. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1eHENG2 )
assbot: Logged on 03-06-2015 19:15:20; mircea_popescu: i would propose to you that's an excellent definition of a country : that place where young adults know who they are.
shinohai: I have women visit me, i detest going out to them.
assbot: Logged on 18-04-2015 02:49:04; trinque: Citizenfive | What I'm saying, if I'm saying *anything*, is that the words don't matter. << I used to think this; lately I consider it an autoimmune disorder caused by lifetime immersion in symbolic shit
trinque: this problem of the language meaning not-one-damn-thing explains a great deal to me
trinque: I do wonder if anybody ever had words for the innermost stuff, or not
mircea_popescu: the words are fine.
mircea_popescu: just because you were stuck on windows web framework for a while means jack in the grand order.
mircea_popescu: a site's a site and a web's a web.
shinohai: "Primero hay que saber sufrir, despues amar, despues partir; y luego andar sin pensamiento."
mircea_popescu: right. how do you get them to leave ?
ben_vulpes: get? tell.
mircea_popescu: he's a softie.
ben_vulpes: give 'em a twenty
ben_vulpes: that way they won't come back :P
mircea_popescu: you'd be surprised.
ben_vulpes: it's not an insultingly low amount?
ben_vulpes: 200 i can see
mircea_popescu: women don't care about being insulted by people they like.
mircea_popescu: "Listen to old Gloria. The greater the sacrifice you ask a woman to make, the more she knows you love her. Honestly."
ben_vulpes: ain't that the truth
mircea_popescu: or somethinglikethat.
mircea_popescu: species would be in one helluva predicament if they did care. kids get pretty fucking insulting.
ben_vulpes: heh mostly in the sense of "i can't believe that you came out of me, idiot"
ben_vulpes: it's not so bad though! just mean reversion in your face.
trinque: ben_vulpes: you must've behaved yourself :D
mircea_popescu: he looks like he was a pretty well behaved kid, yeah.
mircea_popescu: still has all fingers, pansy shit like that.
ben_vulpes: oh ho ho
ben_vulpes: parents were just barely smart enough to know to not tell me what to do
ben_vulpes: i was just barely smart enough to break all of the rules without ever telling anyone
mircea_popescu: prolly never as much as set fire to the very boat keeping him afloat a glacier lake or anything
ben_vulpes: mutually assured ignorance
ben_vulpes: actually there was one rule
mircea_popescu: in other news from hell, these fucktards actually put guar gum in CREAM
ben_vulpes: "don't get caught"
mircea_popescu: or what they call cream. fucking hell...
trinque: yeah, I was brazen enough to push, got corrected in kind, did me some good
mircea_popescu: i want my napolact sour cream pintsized jar!
ben_vulpes: ;;ud napolact
gribble: Google found nothing.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14500 @ 0.00052949 = 7.6776 BTC [+]
ben_vulpes: ;;google napolact
gribble: Napolact - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napolact>; Napolact - Wikipedia: <https://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napolact>; Napolact - Cluj-Napoca, Romania - Food/Beverages - Wall | Facebook: <https://www.facebook.com/napolact?sk=wall>
mircea_popescu: google...
assbot: Super Market Online - Casa de Comenzi Online Bucuresti - Smantana Gospodar Napolact 400g ... ( http://bit.ly/1guU2nD )
mircea_popescu: one is not a man until one has had smintina gospodar.
mircea_popescu: 75% fat.
ben_vulpes: trinque: make any progress through keene yet?
trinque: just ch1, plan to hit that more this eve
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: hyuuuuu
ben_vulpes: trinque: ch4's got some magic
ben_vulpes: define methods that run after other methods
trinque: sort of pre-post guard stuff?
ben_vulpes: yeah ish
ben_vulpes: (defmethod (setf side-a) :after ... ) runs after someone calls (setf (side-a instance-of-triangle-class))
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-07-2015#1218689 <<< i think ethercoin is just some eth altcoin where each ethercoin is redeemable for 1 eth or some shit like that - catching up on logs so nfi if this was pointed out later
assbot: Logged on 30-07-2015 20:59:09; pete_dushenski: eth up a solid 20x over ipo price for those (like saifedean) who threw a couple bucks at it and are ready to cash the fuck out.
ben_vulpes: poor man's consistency check?
hanbot: ascii_field hanbot, what are the remaining issues? << rotor.sh sez: http://thewhet.net/han/rotorfail.txt (no patches) meanwhile mod6 has made progress on RI on ubuntu so still working on "manual" stator build.
trinque: ben_vulpes: actually I'm growing convinced it's the rich man's
trinque: I can see all manner of places I can transplant db patterns into CLOS
trinque: slot accessors being one of them
trinque: "this shall have a goddamn foo"
trinque: "this shall have n goddamn foos"
trinque: so on
ben_vulpes: i'm not quite certain how persistence is supposed to work in the absence of an external database, and over restarts/redeploys.
ben_vulpes: i understand s-l-a-d, but not necesarily how to persist in-memory data structures over the running of a new system.
trinque: dunno that it can, but perhaps it amounts to the "table scan" step of the query pipeline
trinque: everything else being in your program proper
ben_vulpes: perhaps old system serializes its memory to disk before shutdown?
trinque: this is where I'd want to transactionally snapshot rather than -and-die
trinque: save-lisp-and-carry-on!
ben_vulpes: myeah, sure
trinque: the shuffling of objects looks a lot like mmap, I'd bet
trinque: I'm not clear on the interaction between long term storage and runtime just yet
trinque: but surely it was treated in the golden age
ben_vulpes: "statice"
gernika: Can someone point me to the guide for installing gentoo properly for foundation purposes? Following the default guide and it's got steps for setting up systemd, which clearly I don't want.
ben_vulpes: and i'm not quite sure what the "select * from Y" equivalent in a cl proggie would be
ben_vulpes: !s gentoo guide
assbot: 29 results for 'gentoo guide' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=gentoo+guide
ben_vulpes: gernika: see above
gernika: ben_vulpes thanks
ben_vulpes: !s -e
trinque: ben_vulpes: perhaps CLOS calls for a greater distinction between your base facts and derived facts
trinque: that is a question of mine as well, though
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18000 @ 0.00051121 = 9.2018 BTC [-] {2}
trinque: what I mean is, say you want to work on n slots, perhaps you just bail to regular CL data structures from there
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16300 @ 0.00052949 = 8.6307 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Come on scoopy, what does the Friday newsdump have in store for us.
assbot: Logged on 31-07-2015 02:37:25; BingoBoingo: Well, they will probably keep humans at the cash register to provide a surface for customers to direct anger at.
trinque: cazalla: that's going to be the ass end of asciilifeform's coke machine
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11250 @ 0.00052949 = 5.9568 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: cazalla: They throw that image around to hide the truth. No one "flips" burgers there anymore.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32367 @ 0.00052769 = 17.0797 BTC [-] {2}
ben_vulpes: eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15450 @ 0.00052949 = 8.1806 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu et al: heel shoes always seemed to me a slightly milder version of chinese foot-binding...
asciilifeform: looks like trinque forgot to link his patch here? >>>> http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000136.html <<<<
assbot: [BTC-dev] Rotor! ... ( http://bit.ly/1hbPG4Q )
asciilifeform: ^ anyone who had troubles with 'rotor', plz read ^ !
asciilifeform: hanbot et al ^^^
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7250 @ 0.00052516 = 3.8074 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17750 @ 0.00053216 = 9.4458 BTC [+] {3}
trinque: asciilifeform: I did, thank you sir
trinque: and I meant to attach the thing, but apparently need to lern2emacs
trinque: so if that thing's suitable, great, otherwise I'll send it again
mod6: yeah. the patch itself is mundged when sent like that because gnupg tries to escape hyphens; which is why "- ---" and "- -../dist/configure ..." happens.
phf: <trinque> save-lisp-and-carry-on! << this is handled with a posix fork. also lets you do any sort of cleanup in child before dump, like closing socket connections and such.
mircea_popescu: cazalla has not o.O
mircea_popescu: so they don't actually have the product but are releasing a hype condenser ?
mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/2015/07/france-seeks-to-impose-right-to-be-forgotten-globally/ << and once they're done with that, they may move on to imposing "married woman's right to be free from dna testing of offspring" globally.
assbot: France Seeks to Impose "Right to be Forgotten" Globally | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1DfuULS )
mircea_popescu: possibly the most batshit insane thing about france today is that you go to jail for having one done ABROAD.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's exactly what it is. a milder version of chinese foot binding.
BingoBoingo: Oh and a qntra post just fell out of reddit completely this time.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo pretty great closer lol.
mircea_popescu: anyway, whole french state can go hang. nobody has any right to be forgotten as long as i fucking live. for any reason under any circumstances in any context.
mircea_popescu: i live to make whatever selection of inconvenient facts about the living and the dead a huge pain in their ass.
mircea_popescu: never forget.
BingoBoingo: https://archive.is/qeIlr seems to be missing from... https://archive.is/jF1cV or any other avenue of discovery that isn't a direct link...
assbot: Selkis Tips Fiat Agenda For Bitcoin : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1DfvfOF )
assbot: newest submissions : qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1DfvfOL )
shinohai: iirc, didn't mircea_popescu tip 4 tits one time?
shinohai: I swore I remember a trilema article where you paid chicks 0.5 to show tits in here.
shinohai: I may be high.
mircea_popescu: ;;google ill pay for your tits
gribble: I'll pay for your tits on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2014/ill-pay-for-your-tits/>; Smurfs xxx (plus words) - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gi3MQW9Xtrk>; 100 Bucks to Touch Your Boobs - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPZ6pgBIuC8>
shinohai: Why yes, that is the one. That means I am not quite as inebriated as I thought.
cazalla: mircea_popescu, no, i think someone else just created a knock off to skim a little more cream off the top .. https://www.ethercoin.cc/ (regged august last year) that is the coin pete linked anyway, not legit scam eth
mircea_popescu: scams atop scams...
shinohai: That's all the altcoin world is
assbot: How many tumblrinas does it take to change a lightbulb? : Jokes ... ( http://bit.ly/1DfwEoq )
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mircea_popescu: https://github.com/pf << on top of everything else, phf shares alf's passion for a certain large cat!
assbot: pf (Philip Fominykh) · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1DfxS2P )
shinohai: pallas
phf: ha
phf: i mostly need to make sure my developers get the right idea
mircea_popescu: what idea is that ?
phf: your merge request is probably poor, and i will get mad
mircea_popescu: haha i c
ben_vulpes: hey phf how much of bitcoind have you implemented in common lisp yet?
shinohai: bout time
mircea_popescu: dude the dumb fuck actually stuck around ?
mircea_popescu: too fat to fly or what exactly.
phf: ben_vulpes: since last time i only added blkindex.dat reader
shinohai: I would have thought he would already have been waaaaaaaaaaay away
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21900 @ 0.0005358 = 11.734 BTC [+] {3}
shinohai: fagical tux
mircea_popescu: i guess they served him with a stay put order a year ago
ben_vulpes: p nice, phf
mircea_popescu: !up alpalp
assbot: This Startup Wants To Help Insurers Track Your Driving Habits Through Your Phone - Forbes ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ie6qPx )
shinohai: unless you are an insurer
phf: ben_vulpes: your discussion with trinque is apropos. naggum had a technique described in one of his emails, where he would load/unload clos objects' data transparently on demand. i want to experiment with that as far as block index
mircea_popescu is curious what comes of this.
alpalp: :mircea_popescu: ty
mircea_popescu: aha. what brings you here alpalp
alpalp: Just seen some good conversations
alpalp: friend of pierres
assbot: Logged on 31-07-2015 23:55:04; mircea_popescu: http://40.media.tumblr.com/9cd86be29c0052b758af6656cee65e28/tumblr_n33szisHYg1rus2mto6_1280.jpg << saving this for later, who knows, might be needed.
alpalp: Think I saw something with loltwobitidiot today on twitter where someone destroyed him in here
ben_vulpes: phf: we're drinking and talking about how to persist data appropriately in cl proggies as we speak
ben_vulpes: s/in/from
alpalp: i have been drinking as well
mircea_popescu: alpalp i don't think b-a was ever too impressed with the guy.
alpalp: Nope, he had some inside leak on gox and besides that been lol
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: l0l! yes, them.
alpalp: Met him last year, def does not get it.
mircea_popescu: (contrary to what superficial students of history may surmise, i did mean the background ones)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i was going over your proposed algo for tx cache eugenics. seems to me like it is suboptimal, in that it only rejects or accepts ~new~ tx based on net loss/gain. what it ~really~ ought to do is to keep the cache sorted by $/mass at all times, and ~evict the bottom loser~ every time the cache fills and a winner knocks on the door.
mircea_popescu: i thought this is what i had proposed.
mircea_popescu: course earlier today was like the 4th restatement, and i am not known for improved expression over time.
assbot: Logged on 31-07-2015 17:27:00; mircea_popescu: ascii_field again : we have a pool of X bytes. tx are allowed in only if they pay more than average fore that x.
asciilifeform: ^ iirc this was in all 4 suggested versions
asciilifeform: 'accept or reject every incoming tx based on where it falls with respect to average $/mass'
asciilifeform: and now for part 2 of the algo,
mircea_popescu: im too lazy to dig through the logs. but yes, your thing's the winner.
asciilifeform: the obvious thing to do after this:
asciilifeform: let ~peers~ access the cream of tx (top of sorted cache)
mircea_popescu: kinda the whole point.
asciilifeform: not everyone, mind you
asciilifeform: but ~peers~
mircea_popescu: peers/payers
asciilifeform: as in, folks who paid for the vpn key.
mircea_popescu: should also allow those peers that provide the fat.
asciilifeform: how's that work
mircea_popescu: (original design was to simply shutter all connecting peers that fail to provide good $$$ txn, in some sort of %)
asciilifeform: thing is, this'll result in a very random selection at present
asciilifeform: just like disconnecting bastard-spewers
mircea_popescu: random is hard to beat in practice.
mircea_popescu: moreover, random is what spwaned forth the incredible complexity of life.
asciilifeform: what i mean is that presently, a disconnect costs us.
mircea_popescu: let there be a selection pressure in this petri dish.
asciilifeform: in that there aren't that many folks on decent pipes connecting
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and not fucking all comers costs the female, too.
asciilifeform: and losing one statistically means that it is replaced by cattle on dsl
mircea_popescu: i think this is one of those situation where suboptimal wins. let us "lose", i'll take the loss.
asciilifeform: wanna suggest a numeric value for the penalty constant ?
asciilifeform: or hell, we can make it a knob.
mircea_popescu: config file.
asciilifeform: so i'm still at a loss as to how to subscribe those that supply the fat.
mircea_popescu: well what i was thinking was the converse (shuttering those who fail to provide acceptable txn, in sufficient proportion)
mircea_popescu: it's a start.
mircea_popescu: it leads to the following game theoretical situation : want your node to be well connected ? simply tell IT your decent fee paying txn.
mircea_popescu: sort of like those robot fight cage matches things.
asciilifeform: ^ this was sorta where i wanted to go
asciilifeform: however, the friction has to be sufficiently low
mircea_popescu: we're rich, we can afford not to give a shit atm.
mircea_popescu: later on, unstoppable.
mircea_popescu: because, as they say in omaha, "you're smart and i'm right, you'll figure it out"
asciilifeform: what i mean is, it has to be +ev for someone to even touch this.
asciilifeform: (someone other than us maniacs)
mircea_popescu: us maniacs are really all that matters, in the grander scheme of things.
asciilifeform: but we don't mine.
asciilifeform: (afaik...)
mircea_popescu: doesn't matter.
asciilifeform: except that, as i understand, this is a mechanism where miner is one of the moving parts
asciilifeform: what am i missing ?
mircea_popescu: suppose we're in the park. "throw the crumbs over there" "but the birds won't see them" "doesn't matter, we're the only things that matter here" "but we don't cluck"
mircea_popescu: indeed, we don't.
mircea_popescu: we also don't die if we miss the crumbs.
asciilifeform: that's kinda what i meant by +ev
mircea_popescu: for instance : i will be putting all my txn out through my own nodes, once this exists.
mircea_popescu: im currently about 1/3 the reason bitpay even stays in business, fwiw (not much).
mircea_popescu: heck, last month i was a good chunk of coinbase too, because of that buysellads failed experiment.
mircea_popescu: and other such things.
asciilifeform: usg's #1 source of coin !
asciilifeform: mega-l0lzie
mircea_popescu is tolerant.
asciilifeform: birdz gotta eat.
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mircea_popescu: in any case : reasonable bw, fee paying no bs txn is a very hard to beat prop, ev wise.
mircea_popescu: in fact it may actually be more productive for nearby miner to mine based off our nodes than the stupid shit the chinese do currenty
asciilifeform resigns to probably having to write this, too.
mircea_popescu: it's no emergency really, if its in by the next halving it's soon enough.
asciilifeform or rather, to testing the version he secretly wrote already
mircea_popescu: they should have gasenwagen'd you when they had the chance, eh ?
asciilifeform: plenty of time.
mircea_popescu: for they ion the know : i got a pile of specialty chocolates here, and i will win the fight!
hanbot wonders if asciilifeform has also secretly already written the match trick solution
mircea_popescu: ahahaha ouch.
asciilifeform: hanbot might find out the next time asciilifeform visits
hanbot: :D
deedbot-: accepted: 1
mircea_popescu: 11,219 words woot, is that the record ?
cazalla: nope, i think that is like 15k maybe
cazalla: but considering ddos and my return to full time employment, not a bad month
mircea_popescu: 12k in march too
BingoBoingo: Not bad for DDoS month
mircea_popescu: q1 levels.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [BTR] 2938 @ 0.00110999 = 3.2612 BTC [+] {2}
trinque: qntra's my preferred news source, point blank.
trinque: refreshing break from the endless horse-shit elsewhere
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22900 @ 0.00053791 = 12.3181 BTC [+]
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-07-2015#1219896 <<< i've seen so many of these floating around that i think they publish it to facebook on purpose
BingoBoingo: Did we all get wedged off again?
danielpbarron: height=367850
BingoBoingo: I'm at 367850 but apparently there is a 367857 floating around somewhere?
danielpbarron: ;;blockheight
gribble: Error: "blockheight" is not a valid command.
danielpbarron: ;;lastblock
gribble: Error: "lastblock" is not a valid command.
gribble: Time since last block: 1 hour, 30 minutes, and 28 seconds
BingoBoingo: Showing a 367858 nao
BingoBoingo: Just there, not here
BingoBoingo: Big, lots of fees wonder where the turd is https://btc.blockr.io/block/info/367851
cazalla: ;;later tell mark_zuckerberg hey, grats on the daughter, she'll come of age just in time! http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/07/31/the-zuckerbergs-announce-theyre-expecting-a-baby-after-a-personal-struggle/
assbot: Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBSrrl )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18600 @ 0.00051121 = 9.5085 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: Anyone with a sync'd foundation build know what 367851's problem is? ben_vulpes mod6 asciilifeform?
assbot: F2Pool setting a new record - Most transactions included in a Block : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1OU4HDF )
punkman: mircea_popescu: trinque you old enough to remember when neobee took over cypruss or notrly ? << I remember their derpy tv ads, unfortunately couldn't find them recently, wanted to show a friend
punkman: "The one rule they have adhered to throughout the Django Girls process is to "always go the extra mile" and the details of the workshops show this, they said. The room is decorated with flowers and balloons, rather than being a "boring classroom" and they do fun things like cupcake tasting or yoga during the day. "
punkman: yeah need more fun things to do instead of programming
punkman: because that's icky
mircea_popescu: you'll get more women in tech by making tech more like birthing class.
BingoBoingo backing up blockchain, going to see if doubling DB locks fixes anything
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mircea_popescu: sad that they've gotten us girls so ashamed of cupcakes by now it gotta be a "tasting", it can't be just you know, EATING
mircea_popescu: like it were alcohol or something
mircea_popescu: dirty in the eyes of the hunchback protestant microgod.
punkman: "Make sure their experience is positive and that they have fun. Do not judge, be helpful and appreciate their (in-)abilities."
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo not clear yet.
trinque: punkman: how in the fuck do you think without judging?
punkman: trinque: don't judge
mircea_popescu: "The ability to answer all sorts of questions in a beginner-friendly way (even if that means the explanation isn’t technically precise)"
mircea_popescu: they're like purposefully useless.
trinque: punkman: mooo
trinque: once you can internalize a lie like "don't judge" you're broken
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo not clear yet. << Well just a few minutes until my pure blockchain finishes copying to safety so I can test something
trinque: how could you possibly exit that state?
mircea_popescu: beatings.
trinque: certainly not from within, that's for sure.
trinque: that there are "stuck" human states *necessitates* the beatings
BingoBoingo: K, moar locks doesn't seem to be fixing wedge
punkman: Q: Is there a Django Girls for men? A: There doesn't seem to be a need for Django Boys at the moment.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i doubt the scamfoundation/obsolete bitcoind will be resurectable on the mid term.
BingoBoingo: Seems likely. I'm just wondering what this crud is that wedged just now.
mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/danielpbarron << apparewntly dpb has been doing his own version of b-a bash
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cazalla: BingoBoingo, apparently ya were trollin' https://twitter.com/twobitidiot/status/627237656016121856
danielpbarron: heh yeah
trinque: god damn it, neighbor's drunk singing soul music
trinque: I'm a little buzzed, any soul music coming out of me?
trinque: damn right there's not
cazalla: ah shit, danielpbarron beat me to it
decimation: re: tx fees & relays: it would be interesting if there could be some kind of market for fees
decimation: but I'm not sure how to do it without introducing more centralization
mircea_popescu: frenchie gets it quite exactly, we're at that creepy stalking phase atm
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron so you actually got teh tools for sunday ?
decimation: it's more like it's 1906 in the aircraft business
BingoBoingo: Oh test node with megalocks is now at 367863
BingoBoingo: !up TheButterZone
decimation: I suppose the 'market' will just be what happens naturally as folks shop around for reliable nodes
mircea_popescu: decimation i would imagine it should be emergent.
mircea_popescu: one of the funniest things i saw in egypt was the following thing :
mircea_popescu: i'd go into a shop, ask for something. shop owner would run me off to a different shop (i kid you not, leave his thing, wide open, whatever - nobody steals in arabworld apparently)
mircea_popescu: and the other guy would sell me whatever and then pass the original guy a bill or two.
trinque: chop off hands for a while and look what happens
mircea_popescu: because baksheesh is a way of life.
mircea_popescu: i kid you not.
decimation: they are a culture of middlemen
decimation: I suppose cooperating in this way, the whole town is 'walmart'
mircea_popescu: and seeiong how their lyra was at the time ~a quarter, i expect they got the value of txn just about precisely enough to be usable in bitcoin
mircea_popescu: ie, to the 10-100 satoshi
punkman: so if Hearn trusts in the Gospel of Satoshi, why isn't he running 0.1 or 0.5.3? "No it wasn't. That is something you invented yourself much later. "Small devices" isn't even defined anywhere, so there can't have been any such understanding. The actual understanding was the opposite. Satoshi's words: ..."
mircea_popescu: amusingly, the jew, coptic and muslim groups crossed borders, too!
BingoBoingo: All interested parties here is my debug.log http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/debug.log
mircea_popescu: in fact - pretty much everything in the "received knowledge" of jews is hysterically counter-realistic to anyone who has you know, actually travelled.
danielpbarron: mircea_popescu> danielpbarron so you actually got the tools for sunday ? << i got 9 axes and 9 hoes and i'm just now working on adzes (which require a slightly different method)
mircea_popescu: by which i mean... outside of iowa.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron prolly should publishe the whole thing monday. it's not a trivial math problem
mircea_popescu: well, asciilifeform would say it is, sure. but there's levels in triviality.
mircea_popescu: !up jnpn
danielpbarron: it sorta is trivial
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron you got the actual function to select optimal usage/mixage of tools given a set ?
mircea_popescu: in lisp ?
mircea_popescu: (probably ideal usage of lisp, check me out phf im doing lisp girls coach over here!)
danielpbarron: well i don't have a function; i have a formula
danielpbarron: and equation rather
mircea_popescu: actually this'd prollybe interesting to our very own gabriel_laddel too.
phf: i misread that as "couch", was not surprised
danielpbarron: it took me a day of thinking about it off and on to come up with
BingoBoingo: My favorite part of reading my debug.log is getting to see all the transactions that don't make it to the mempool
mircea_popescu: (the problem, ftr, is : you get a set of tools, with arbitrary durability. you can mix any set (which floor-averages), and decay any individual tool (fixed rate). make a collection of 9 with durabilities from 1 to 9)
mircea_popescu: in practice the mix operation is cheap and the decay operation expensive.
mircea_popescu: so, find optimal path and prove it's optimal.
danielpbarron: i plug in a few numbers into equation, solve for x, paste my macro x-many times, let it run while i do other stuff
mircea_popescu: for bonus points, offer preference criterion (would A or B be more beneficial if added to the set)
mircea_popescu: decimation tis a hack.
danielpbarron: i might not be doing it optimally
danielpbarron: but we need the explored resources anyway; it's not like i'm wasting time doing somethign i wouldn't have done otherwise
mircea_popescu: ah not at all
mircea_popescu: was just going after the math angle of it for a second
trinque: mircea_popescu: that show up on your doorstep?
trinque: the kittne!
trinque: *kitten
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mircea_popescu: tis teh internet!
mircea_popescu: "Heartbreakingly, at some age, we become convinced that doing anything like a girl means that you are doing it ineffectively, wimpily, and in a way that can’t be taken seriously at all."
mircea_popescu: ahahaha wut
mircea_popescu: no dude, not heartbreakingly. the only human dumb enough to imagine girlhood's right is the girl in question.
mircea_popescu: girlhood's something you hopefully grow out of. failure to grow out of it is the definition of retardation.
mircea_popescu: ie, it takes you longer, perhaps infinitely long, to mature.
punkman: it's mostly about clothes
punkman: (the article)
mircea_popescu: anyway. why can't "coding like a girl" mean you write good documentation, for instance ?
mircea_popescu: that's what i would like it to mean. "this was coded by a girl" should be the indication that if i follow the fucking thing, i get the intended result. NOT some error message.
mircea_popescu: i've had enough of boy coding to last me five generations of myself.
decimation: wimmin in tech!
mircea_popescu: if i fuck her i get off, no exceptions ; if i follow her recipe i get a build - no exceptions. this is what it should be.
trinque: "She went back home that night really frustrated and flustered."
trinque: so... don't!
trinque: fight 'em
trinque: and stop waiting for someone to accept you
trinque: then from the other angle, maybe she looked great in that dress, and the neckbeards couldn't take the heat
trinque: so what?
trinque: thoughts of a navel-fixated narcissist
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26836 @ 0.00051121 = 13.7188 BTC [-]
punkman: "There is now a pull request to remove mention of "zero or low fees", "fast international payments", and "instant peer-to-peer transactions" from bitcoin.org. For those non-technical users who do not read source code, this may come across as the breaking of the social contract on what Bitcoin is ultimately intended to be."
trinque: breaking the social contract lol
trinque: at least with religious magical thinking it's anchored to a book.
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punkman: "Why don't you use short keys? They scale better"
trinque: punkman: hey he says they should be secure, so they should be
trinque: he's right
punkman: that gut wrenching feeling after you try 30 variations of an infrequently used password...
punkman: the realization this trove of data is forever lost, sinking in
trinque: brutal
punkman: but then you take a walk and it comes back to you
punkman: or not
trinque: punkman: if it makes you feel better, the guy that yelled at me re: trannies, and which wrote tenyks, lost 130 odd btc that way
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25050 @ 0.00053489 = 13.399 BTC [+]
decimation: hopefully this will influence apple to turn osx into a more adult unix, but I wouldn't hold my breath
punkman: lol
BingoBoingo: I doubt IBM is running anything other than OS/370 on them
decimation: heh those days are long gone
BingoBoingo: At least they could run AIX
deedbot-: accepted: 1
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: You still stalled out?
danielpbarron: grep that file for 11DbException
danielpbarron: > Db::put: Cannot allocate memory
danielpbarron: > ProcessMessage(block, 999960 bytes) FAILED
danielpbarron: the gnomes figured out a magic amount of bytes that got accepted by some but not all, except it seems their beloved bc.i got caught in the fire
BingoBoingo: So it's more "non-deterministic behavior" and 40,000 probably just wasn't enough DB locks and objects to fix it
trinque strives to imagine what could actually need to lock 40k records in a db
danielpbarron: apparently this block set the record for number of transactions included
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: And the one two later apparently set another
trinque: same thing done here with locks is probably also trivially represented by a nullable foreign key
trinque: 40k locks boggles my mind
trinque: ben_vulpes: what's the thing even locking?
trinque: asciilifeform: ^^ ?
BingoBoingo: It's March 2013 all over again
punkman: danielpbarron: which node is that?
trinque: like... what's the cost of making the threads just *not bump into each other* vs using locks because "that's what you do with concurrent code" ?
danielpbarron: punkman, that's a 0.5.3.1-beta
mats: 'dual EC: a standardized backdoor' by djb, tanja lange, ruben niederhagen
trinque: really, can anyone explain why bitcoind must have 40k locks?
trinque: or apparently more
trinque: because that didn't cut it
BingoBoingo: trinque: It seemed like a safer number than the one that wedged before
trinque: I mean in that case infinite locks are best
trinque: heh
decimation: trinque: yeah this is standard for 'threaded' code
trinque: decimation: 40k ?!
decimation: folks can't be bothered to actually think about how to design things without collisions
trinque: decimation: right
trinque: exactly
trinque: but what collides in bitcoind, these are transaction records?
trinque: or what
trinque: in my mental model of this thing there are not 40k things needing to be locked anywhere
decimation: heh. there's several threads running simultaneously
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