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asciilifeform: ben_vulpes still awake ?
mats: lol
asciilifeform wonders if mircea_popescu's shockwave sensor gadget (see old thread) has a dial mark for 'nuke'
assbot: Difference between CC2630 and CC2650 ... ( http://bit.ly/1f3wC8e )
decimation: asciilifeform: what strikes me as stupid about the 'dirty bomb' idea is that background radiation naturally varies
asciilifeform: mats: absolute sop. this practice dates back to at least the '486 sx'
decimation: plenty of places in the us have U just laying around in the ground
asciilifeform: decimation: sorta like the notion that lead smelter in your back yard is no problem, because lead is found in the earth anyway
asciilifeform: anyway the traditional narrative re: 'dirty bombz' is that the builder would use short-lived, highly-energetic isotopes, of the kind shipped out to specially-designated junkyards by the tonne from your local biotech zone
decimation: actually molten lead is pretty harmless
decimation: it's lead ingestion that's th eproblem
decimation: asciilifeform: like cesium for radiation therapy
asciilifeform: when i was a student at 'nih', the story went that 'there was no serious bureaucracy surrounding lab waste until the p32-in-the-water-cooler incident'
asciilifeform: mats: at this point it is rare for a commercial ic ~not~ to have functionality antifused out depending on product 'grade'
decimation: yeah it's just too expensive to make lots of masks
mats: right
asciilifeform: to tie the two subjects together, it is very difficult for the amateur ic decapping enthusiast to buy hno3.
asciilifeform: (in usa)
decimation: you can make it yourself I think
decimation: if you are nuts
asciilifeform: you can make whatever.
asciilifeform: just takes time.
asciilifeform wonders about laser decapping
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54300 @ 0.00049705 = 26.9898 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: speaking of experiments for the brave, it turns out that you can indeed cut thin steel with a 40w co2 laser if you connect an o2 tank, rather than the usual compressor, to the head nozzle
asciilifeform has not personally attempted this
decimation: so the idea is that it oxidizes as it cuts?
asciilifeform: main problem, as i understand, is reflectivity of the metal
asciilifeform: that, and the good heat conduction
asciilifeform: dark-coloured items with poor heat conductivity - e.g., stone - cut well.
asciilifeform: (though you get problems with stress fractures.)
assbot: Make Nitric Acid - The Complete Guide - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1f3zAtr )
asciilifeform: (author did not identify it)
decimation: asciilifeform: reflected multi-watt laser burns yer eye out
asciilifeform: decimation: in box
asciilifeform: problem is, your destroy mirrors, or - if very 'lucky' - your tube
asciilifeform: the mirrors are, typically, a benjie or so each
decimation: asciilifeform: it might be an inductor
asciilifeform: which is not even the worst part, but the chore of aligning the replacements
decimation: damn that's alot of cash for optics
asciilifeform: typically rare earths
decimation: I imagine it needs to be exotic to hold up to that kind of energy
decimation: ^ startups are feasting on the corpse of old-fashioned bezzletron
decimation: the most interesting one is 'ecovent': place a battery-powered 'vent' over all of your forced air outlets
decimation: it will control per-room temps on demand.
decimation: which is a band-aid on the retardation of forced-air systems
asciilifeform: i do a low-tech orc version of this
asciilifeform: with bare hands.
asciilifeform: no ipNohe-controlled servo needed.
decimation: aye me too
decimation: actually the thing you really need is just a cheap net of wireless sensors so you can experiment with hand-operated vents
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 116550 @ 0.00048234 = 56.2167 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76900 @ 0.00048697 = 37.448 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60600 @ 0.00048723 = 29.5261 BTC [+]
ben_vulpes: <decimation> ascii_field: shit, you are right, the amazon s2d is just a pretty TLS wrapper around the openssl crypto turd << one stops being surprised eventually
ben_vulpes: <ascii_field> (thing stows blocks in real time, never erases. see src) << i missed this, somehow. link me?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87050 @ 0.00047682 = 41.5072 BTC [-] {2}
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> yet another place where bitcoind and kernel merge. << linux's fate: hosting bitcoin.
ben_vulpes: neat parallels to parasitism in nature.
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1183439 << lol fess up dpb i want to hear this story
assbot: Logged on 01-07-2015 19:10:02; assbot: Successfully updated the rating for juliatourianski_ from -2 to 3 with note: met at porcfest; a fantastic escort
ben_vulpes: * ascii_field mentally blows dust off his unwritten magnum opus re: ternary computing, 'tertium datur' << never have i been so hooked on so much promiseware
mats: lol @ rating
mats: ;;ticker --bitstamp
gribble: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitfinex. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure the code (1 more message)
mats: ;;ticker --market bitstamp
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 255.09, Best ask: 255.1, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 255.1, 24 hour volume: 13766.60354772, 24 hour low: 253.81, 24 hour high: 260.89, 24 hour vwap: 257.267613042
mats: it slides
mats: speculators figured out greeks won't be buying coins huh
shinohai`: The lolz were thick on twitter. Every shitty altcoin was tweeting "Welcoming our Greek friends" and such.
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1183894 << see i did the same thing but with a motoman up20, and only for like a day
assbot: Logged on 01-07-2015 23:49:23; *: asciilifeform fwiw, when worked with robot, had all the 'safety' interlocks disabled. they make it damn-near impossible to get real work done
ben_vulpes: only way to get work done with *that* kind of robot is to put it into slow mode and hold dead-man switch
ben_vulpes: i never had to drop the switch, but it did take a couple of swipes at me
ben_vulpes: fun with coordinate system transforms!
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> bonus points for testing on heathen compilers << rather
ben_vulpes: i never got the static build on os x
assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 03:52:07; asciilifeform: funkenstein_: also interesting, from same, http://homepage.ntlworld.com/steveseymour/nuke/nukes1.htm
punkman: lots of cosmic rays in germany eh
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 114900 @ 0.0004816 = 55.3358 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47300 @ 0.00049435 = 23.3828 BTC [+] {2}
shinohai: What the hell happened in Alemania ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23500 @ 0.00049671 = 11.6727 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52250 @ 0.00047687 = 24.9165 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 94464 @ 0.00047976 = 45.32 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49139 @ 0.00049179 = 24.1661 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37425 @ 0.00047542 = 17.7926 BTC [-] {2}
cazalla: shinohai, bit rich that 4chan has a no faggots thread when it is full of them
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5456 @ 0.00047487 = 2.5909 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 126844 @ 0.00047303 = 60.001 BTC [-] {2}
shinohai: *agreed cazalla
punkman: !up ronaz
ronaz: not sure I deserve that!
punkman: just go wih it
punkman: is bittiraha an exchange?
ronaz: a brokering service mainly
ronaz: we are also shipping first patch of Denarium coins in a weeks time
punkman: what are those?
ronaz: plus we have an ATM-network of 8-9 devices around Finland
ronaz: physical Bitcoins, lile Casascius sold back in the days
punkman: got a pic?
ronaz: www.denarium.com check it out
shinohai: !gettrust ronaz
assbot: ronaz is not registered in WoT.
ronaz: on brokering side we have over 30 000 clients
ronaz: ahh. i have the wot account from 2012
ronaz: i wonder if i would find the key to sign myself in
punkman: ;;gettrust ronaz
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user punkman to user ronaz: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=punkman&dest=ronaz | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=ronaz | Rated since: Wed Feb 19 00:42:51 2014
punkman: you will need a GPG key to register with assbot
punkman: !help
ronaz: yup
ronaz: thanks for help
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100756 @ 0.00048186 = 48.5503 BTC [+] {5}
ronaz: punkman: on brolering side we have had over 30 000 individual clients and thus can claim to be a key player in Nordic BTC brokering
punkman: how does it work?
ronaz: creater order at website, pay through bank account transfer, and we check accounts three times pee day and run a batch for paid orders
punkman: so you handle both fiat and bitcoin?
ronaz: ye
punkman: !up ronaz
punkman: do you have an orderbook?
ronaz: no not a public one
ronaz: we do match orders and sells according to spot on exchange
ronaz: *buys and sells
punkman: which exchange?
ronaz: mostly stamp
punkman: is this to get around regulation related to exchanges?
ronaz: no
ronaz: one is to avoid providing a wallet service
punkman: oh so you only handle the bitcoins for a short period?
ronaz: yaman
ronaz: so how are involved in Bitcoin business scene yourself?
punkman: not involved in any bitcoin business for the time being
ronaz: market sentiment has beem bad for volumes for 1,5 years :'(
punkman: don't tell me you are brokering bitcents
ronaz: 20 eur minimum so yeah i guess
punkman: is there a maximum?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 131107 @ 0.00049874 = 65.3883 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84900 @ 0.00051364 = 43.608 BTC [+] {3}
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu incoming gpg - june broadcast.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 130108 @ 0.00051836 = 67.4428 BTC [+] {3}
danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184085 << it's the story of how the b-a WoT members were the coolest kids at the party, or how I pissed off a bunch of socially inept libertards by being seen hangning out with the hot chick
assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 07:42:48; ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1183439 << lol fess up dpb i want to hear this story
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2169 @ 0.00052466 = 1.138 BTC [+]
shinohai: o/ danielpbarron
danielpbarron: hi there
shinohai: epic twitter avatar you are using now
danielpbarron: I usually don't go along with those "change your profile pic to show support" things, but when I saw the qntra bunny...
shinohai: If mircea_popescu changes the trilema background to that flag, I'll do it.
kakobrekla: lobbes the last link in that lobbesbot msg is broked
kakobrekla: or is it same as the first anyway?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12943 @ 0.0005266 = 6.8158 BTC [+]
ben_vulpes: danielpbarron: you pissed them off just by being seen with chicka? imagine their rage if you'd /slept/ with her!
ben_vulpes: actually imagining that is probably what got them all het up in the first place
decimation: https://devinhelton.com/2015-06-25/meme-theory < "Thus, outsiders discredit themselves when they make accusations of conscious conspiracy. Any person of even mid-level status knows that the statement is flatly false. They know that the accused elites genuinely do seem to care about helping people. They know there is no conspiracy. Thus they discount the self-interest theory and pay no further attention."
assbot: Conspiracy Theories, Meme Theories, and Bureaucracy Theories ... ( http://bit.ly/1GQYovl )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54150 @ 0.00053264 = 28.8425 BTC [+]
ben_vulpes: "These statements strike us as being crazy and misguided. And for good reason. I have met some of these elites." << is dood schizo or am i reading too much into things
decimation: here's a conspiracy: why were the german journalists so quick to discredit phuctor's work, when the majority of the targeted keys appear to be the pirate party
decimation: ben_vulpes: who knows, he might be claiming shit that isn't true, but it does strike me as fairly reasonable
ben_vulpes: decimation: i'm just looking at the we/i thing
decimation: I'm sure that if you met the leaders of the average usg institution they would strike you as nice people trying to do the right thing. they are just imprisoned by their choices, making them into figureheads
ben_vulpes: didja read the most recent orlol asciilifeform posted?
decimation: I read it as he was using the third-party language intentionally - to sympathize with the reader's point of view
ben_vulpes: "it's not me, it's the black hole"
ben_vulpes has binaries to copy between wordprexen
ben_vulpes to the augean stables
decimation: "The outsiders can see these patterns, but don?t understand the details, so come across as cranks when trying to do analysis. Should the outsiders gain authority, they have no real power, because they do not know how to work the levers to operate the machine. They don?t even know where the levers are. When they try to fix the machine, they get duped, get discredited, and end up out of power again."
decimation: seems about right
ben_vulpes: only solution is to burn everything in sight that pisses one off.
decimation: this echo's yarvin's "what if ron paul won the presidency" gedankenexperiment
decimation: he would try to eliminate the dept of education or whatever, and he would quickly find himself 'nixoned'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19000 @ 0.00053264 = 10.1202 BTC [+]
ben_vulpes: tough gedanken
ben_vulpes: having trouble understanding why big money would put him on the throne
decimation: they wouldn't, so they didn't
decimation: note that the primary job of president these days is to fail to excercise your theoretically vast but practically nearly nonexistant power
ben_vulpes: but obama fixed gay marriage
ben_vulpes: and cash for clunkers
ben_vulpes: and the recovery
ben_vulpes: and killed bitcoin
ben_vulpes: and osama
ben_vulpes: plus drones!
decimation: actually obama did none of those
ben_vulpes: no man you just don't understand how the world works
decimation: his employees did some, congress did some
ben_vulpes: no but no but no but
decimation: but a federal employee really isn't obama's employee anyway
decimation: how many has he fired?
ben_vulpes: right, that's the real test.
decimation: he has less power than the average mcdonald's night shift manager
ben_vulpes: obligatory reference to "owning a thing means being able to destroy it"
decimation: indeed.
ben_vulpes: in that sense obab (as proxy for the usg) does in fact own my company to a far greater degree than i ever can
decimation: the president's main power is to appear before the press and say things that are unsurprising
decimation: he can also receives the benefits of appearing to be rich and powerful, and gets an army of people who are interested in making him seem powerful
decimation: not obama, but the gang of federal civil servants who actually make employment defacto employment law
ben_vulpes: how else to maintain the illusion that the whole thing matters.
ben_vulpes: its this terrifying beast that in the large is incapable of changing anything, but should its eye orient towards any individual woe unto them.
ben_vulpes: maybe changing -> affecting
decimation: no human could possibly manage the official federal government
decimation: not to mention the vast unofficial government
decimation: so it splits into fiefdoms
ben_vulpes: and perhaps this is the hallmark of fascist states - how would I know, only recently having started to crawl out from under my brainwashing - that they can't possibly deliver on their promises of complete surveillance (let's just take tax collection for one tiny slice of the thing), but they freeze any individuals assets on a whim to prevent their fighting back on tax charges.
ben_vulpes: and so everyone quakes in their boots and lines up to pay or report their neighbors or whatever it is that they want today
thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: this is what makes civil forfeiture of bitcoin terrifying, because instead of just pressing a button on a computer, they'll torture you until you give up your keys.
ben_vulpes: this torture won't be performed by the usg, but regular ol' bandits.
ben_vulpes: by the time that happens, the two'll be indistinguishable.
decimation: yeah, nobody employed directly by usg knows how to torture, and it probably wouldn't work anyway
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68348 @ 0.0005266 = 35.9921 BTC [-]
decimation: look at the report released by the senate on the torture of terrorists
decimation: it was a mickey mouse operation
danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171891 << most i ever had at once was 600 mg in the form of 40 gel caps
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 06:17:16; cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171698 <<< try 3 bottles :P
danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171902 << i prepared beforehand, a plastic gallon milk jug with most of the top cut out, for the purpose of vomiting without having to crawl to the bathroom
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 06:23:08; BingoBoingo: Which mean sure, you can trip balls, but the toilet is getting hugged the whole time
kakobrekla: wait i thought drugs were suppose to make one feel better, not worse?
danielpbarron: i guess bingo has different genetics or something, but for me the vomiting is short lasting and not the focus of the experience
danielpbarron: not that i recommend abusing otc cough suppressants
mats: lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22720 @ 0.0005266 = 11.9644 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: ;;later tell mircea_popescu node syncs without burping since sundown last night, and presently, 280480+
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field what sort of speed ?
ascii_field: approx same speed as when i sync from own lan
ascii_field: i.e. cpu-bound
assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 16:48:08; decimation: yeah, nobody employed directly by usg knows how to torture, and it probably wouldn't work anyway
mircea_popescu: haha perfect.
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184248 << 'until you give up' - l0l! it makes zero game-theoretical sense for them to ever stop until you're mincemeat
assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 16:38:17; thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: this is what makes civil forfeiture of bitcoin terrifying, because instead of just pressing a button on a computer, they'll torture you until you give up your keys.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field or for you, for that matter.
ascii_field: (ergo, it makes zero game-theoretical sense for victim to give so much as a satoshi!)
mircea_popescu: hence the entire line on trilema re herr flondor.
mircea_popescu: the only way out of this is through congress mandating obama in solemn session to come suck our cocks with his special plane and everything. fly a little around the world.
mircea_popescu: until such happens...
decimation: note that air force one currently has special provisions to transport the press on board
decimation: in case you forget who calls the shots
decimation: at least, with respect to the project of making the president appear in charge
ascii_field: 'take'im to the press room.' 'where the newsmen are?' 'no, where we keep the press. for peine forte et dure.'
decimation: ascii_field: it's quite the opposite - politicians plead with the media to run favorable angles
shinohai: I want to try and run a node on this xD https://getaddr.bitnodes.io/hardware/
assbot: Bitnodes Hardware - Bitnodes ... ( http://bit.ly/1NzB2hQ )
ascii_field: shinohai: why?
ascii_field: that thing costs literally 10x a pogo
ascii_field: ~and~ your purchase supports satan.
shinohai: true. I found a pogo on craigslist *with* a HDD
shinohai: even though i have like 4
ascii_field: speaking of brand-new pogo, by the shovelfull, even
jurov: anyone'd like to bounce-mail some to europe?
ascii_field: jurov: i gave a few to davout, ask him if he'll part with one or two
shinohai: I'm just gonna buy a pogo or two w/ btc i suppose. An extra for the lab wouldn't hurt
shinohai: I never heard of the things until I read danielpbarron's piece.
assbot: Logged on 22-01-2015 19:36:33; mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: Sounds like enough for almost everything but respectable BTC node << actually, if anyone could be arsed to publish a guide on "how to turn commercially available router into btc full node" i'd love him long time.
shinohai: I had tried to do that with DD-WRT xD
shinohai: just no place to store teh blockchain on my router
ascii_field: shinohai: trick was that you need a 'nas' box, not router
ascii_field: so then i found one
shinohai: I could see the pogo being a mass product, given a little 3-d printing magic
ben_vulpes: problem is chips not boxes
ascii_field: shinohai: unlike the various arm dev boards folks like to overpay for, 'pogo' actually comes in a spiffy plastic chassis, complete with disk vagina
ascii_field: and dc power brick
shinohai: I bought a bunch of gridseeds one time, and the power supplies were garbage.
shinohai: So i bought a few regulated supplies and still have them
shinohai: I'm still working on the electrum server thing, but I imagine it should fit neatly on the pogo as well.
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: shinohai: what's that
shinohai: electrum bitcoin wallet
ascii_field: what i mean is,
ascii_field: why is this needed if you have one or more full nodes at home.
shinohai: I dunno, BingoBoingo brought it up and I started playing with it.
shinohai: Needs a lot of work, all the rpc calls are broken
ascii_field: the 'light client' stuff has always stuck me as a step in the precisely wrong direction.
ascii_field: ;;later tell BingoBoingo http://cryptome.org/2015/07/force-038-049.pdf << carl force plea
gribble: The operation succeeded.
shinohai: I can live without them. cli is lightweight :D
trinque: ascii_field: what a hilariously inept crooked bastard.
assbot: Urban Dictionary: nob ... ( http://bit.ly/1NzEt8n )
ascii_field: force went to the scaffold, as it usually happens, not for corruption, but for 'not knowing his place'
ascii_field: the annointed 'plum book' folks can take bribe, extort, to their heart's delight
ascii_field: so long as it is done within the customary hierarchy
mod6: ascii_field, mircea_popescu: am now pulling blocks from mp's seed with stator
ascii_field: mod6: neato
ascii_field: mod6: make sure you '-connect'
ascii_field: rather than -addseed
mod6: yeah? i used -addnode
ascii_field: mod6: if so, you're almost certainly pulling from some random schmuck
ascii_field: (one of my planned but yet-unwritten patches is a mechanism for fine-grained sync control)
ascii_field: presently the thing has exactly two settings - 'best phriendz' and 'planetary slut'
mod6: you link that email from the stator email saying "MUST run as described in", which says to use -addnode.
mod6: anyway, no worries, i'll stop the sync, use -connect :]
mod6: glad i asked!
ascii_field: the difference is that when you 'addnode', the thing carries on with collecting as many seed ips from wherever it knows about, as possible
ascii_field: and arbitrarily cycles between them
ascii_field: whenever one disconnects
ascii_field: '-connect' enables syncing from ~precisely one~ ip
ascii_field: (though, comically, it can still decide that said ip 'misbehaves' and is then left dead in the water)
ascii_field: ^ another thing to fix
trinque: the hilarious byzantine logic in this thing
ascii_field: trinque: to be fair, i killed all of the fallback sync mechanisms (irc, dns, hardcodedseeds)
trinque: maybe there's something easy-ish for me to take a crack at in there
trinque: I haven't written c++ in about 8 years
trinque: wanna start getting my hands dirty
ascii_field: trinque: this is more of a 'reader' than 'writer' affair anyway
mod6: ascii_field: ok, all set. running & sync'ing actively with: ./bitcoind -datadir=/mnt/btc-dev/.bitcoin -myip=W.X.Y.Z -connect=M.P.I.P &
ascii_field: how many blocks in ?
mod6: 20k
ascii_field: any stalls ?
trinque: I think I'll get my pogo going again first, as that's the best device for me to do any blockchain syncing with
mod6: not yet.
mod6: i need to get MY pogo going! lol. it's just been sitting here in a box.
trinque: yeah mine's collecting dust on the tv stand
mod6: haven't had a chance to play iwth it yet.
trinque: gonna have to wireshark it up and figure out what IP it had, lol
trinque: rather, which it wants to give the boot console to
assbot: Bitcoin Address 14QPeQ2UZaMw9khqQeisVNT54j6A3U5KfE ... ( http://bit.ly/1NzG3H4 )
ascii_field: and who knew of it, to send the turds to ?
mod6: sometimes i feel like i should mod the old atcbot just to sit in here and do things like %addr <BTC_ADDRESS> and then spit back info, or for %block or %tx
kakobrekla: that address, what of it?
ascii_field: kakobrekla: it figures in the carl force confession
ascii_field: somewhere between 1/3 and 1/2 of his heap
trinque: mod6: seems like that'd be cool
trinque: moar botz!
mod6: lemme see..
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 132200 @ 0.00047988 = 63.4401 BTC [-] {4}
mod6: 113k
mod6: %h
btcbot: [ %d | %diff ] [ %tx <id> ] [ %bal <address> ] [ %m | %mined ] [ %b <height> | %block <height> ] [ %lb ] [ %tslb ] [ %h | %help ]
mod6: %bal 14QPeQ2UZaMw9khqQeisVNT54j6A3U5KfE
btcbot: [BTC Balance] Address: 14QPeQ2UZaMw9khqQeisVNT54j6A3U5KfE Balance: 400.00101 Total Received: 400.00101 Number TXs: 4
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: mod6: neat! how does it work ?
mod6: it talks to btc.blockr.io and parses some JSON
mod6: %d
btcbot: [BTC Diff] Current Diff: 49402014931.23 Est. Next Diff: 48635521157.02 in 1380 blocks (#364896) Est. % Change: -1.55
ascii_field: so essentially same thing as a 'blockchain.info' link, l0l
mod6: yeah, except that doesn't tell you anything unless you click through it
mod6: for instance:
mod6: %bal 1FundZy7m7b8begbh9haCguKJcAdFopRJ9
btcbot: [BTC Balance] Address: 14QPeQ2UZaMw9khqQeisVNT54j6A3U5KfE1FundZy7m7b8begbh9haCguKJcAdFopRJ9 Balance: 0 Total Received: 0 Number TXs: 0
mod6: arg! lol
mod6: somehow cat'd that together. o.O, have to fix that
mod6: %tslb
mod6 looks around
mod6: aight might have to iron out some kinks.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42150 @ 0.00050079 = 21.1083 BTC [+]
ascii_field: ;;later tell mats http://siliconexposed.blogspot.com/2013/08/laser-ic-decapsulation-experiments.html << looks like folks have tried the co2 laser ic decapping thing. tricky.
assbot: Silicon Exposed: Laser IC decapsulation experiments ... ( http://bit.ly/1LKVpel )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ascii_field: ;;later tell mats wonder if anybody's tried it under hard vacuum
gribble: The operation succeeded.
punkman: ;;balance 1FundZy7m7b8begbh9haCguKJcAdFopRJ9
gribble: 11.93446524
jurov: i doubt, laser would generate plenty if gas... more like in inert atmosphere
ascii_field: whole point is to sublimate the epoxy to gas
ascii_field: which is pumped away
ascii_field: in the linked experiment, it failed to sublimate
jurov: ic
assbot: Mall Operators Begin Cultivating Startups - WSJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1LKWBi5 )
mod6: ah, punkman thanks lol.
mod6: i didn't know it did that for some reason
mats: azonenberg is p cool
mats: i saw this some time ago when he tried with a cheaper laser: http://siliconexposed.blogspot.com/2013/08/laser-ic-decapsulation-experiments.html
assbot: Silicon Exposed: Laser IC decapsulation experiments ... ( http://bit.ly/1LKY2gf )
ascii_field: didn't i just like same
ascii_field: *link same
mats: er
mats: scuse me
mats: i need some sleep
mod6: !up ascii_field
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51500 @ 0.00049687 = 25.5888 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13250 @ 0.00049893 = 6.6108 BTC [+] {2}
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1182410 << incidentally, anyone remember the 'accidental' oceanic fiber cuts every few years, when nsa installs splitter taps ?!
mod6: 164k
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45200 @ 0.00051904 = 23.4606 BTC [+] {2}
trinque: ascii_field: makes a guy want to take up amateur submarining
mod6: !up ascii_field
mircea_popescu: mod6 o hey. nice.
mod6: well, maybe it doesn't make sense to do that if gribble does stuff.
mod6: haha
mod6: oh but yah, im sync'in
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57550 @ 0.00051905 = 29.8713 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1183889 << i recall that grisly case when an elderly couple murdered-suicided themselves as the old lady was holding the stair for the gent who thought for some reason eh can use a chainsaw upside.
assbot: Logged on 01-07-2015 23:48:06; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1183884 << how many fall into woodchipper every day of the week
mircea_popescu: and then fell.
ascii_field: 'find some meat!' (tm) (r) ('doom2')
mircea_popescu: "Through EZ Keys I can also control the mouse in Windows." stephen hawking uses wintel ? sad.
trinque: intel made his apparatus for him, iirc
assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 00:17:31; phf: all patches except reward overflow, cuminer snip and igprof, up to eatblock. mac os 10.8, built dynamically with llvm's c and cmake. synced about 5 days ago
mircea_popescu: trinque yeah there is that.
mircea_popescu: phf you know minigame's looking for someone who can compile of apple so ben_vulpes can play.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1183935 <<< this is the chief criteria in the classical harem. so... because the "people" being hired are chattel ?
assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 00:53:07; williamdunne: Why on earth anyone thinks hiring people for the sake of diversity is a good idea, I will never know
ascii_field: more of a zoo. 'zebra died, we need a zebra'
mircea_popescu: same thing.
mircea_popescu: omfg hawking is SEVENTYthree.
mircea_popescu: dude, by now he's not in much worse shape than any other seventy year old, not counting those who already died.
mircea_popescu: reversion to mean must be the main solace for early onset disability.
mod6: !up ascii_field
funkenstein_: george clinton one year older, still on tour
ascii_field: http://www.citlink.net/~bhima/emfcomp.htm << whole world of crackpottery. may be new to some folks
assbot: 404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1NA7AZJ )
trinque: ascii_field: ah thanks; this old performa's CRT has been giving me hives
assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 18:19:10; trinque: maybe there's something easy-ish for me to take a crack at in there
ascii_field: it isn't esp. hard, and would be tremendously useful
assbot: Invoking Gcov - Using the GNU Compiler Collection (GCC) ... ( http://bit.ly/1NAa4aq )
ascii_field: 'getdata is used in response to inv... ...t can be used to retrieve transactions, but only if they are in the memory pool or relay set - arbitrary access to transactions in the chain is not allowed to avoid having clients start to depend on nodes having full transaction indexes (which modern nodes do not).'
assbot: the_real_obola comments on If exchanges aren't safe places to store bitcoin why are they trust worthy enough to store my personal data? ... ( http://bit.ly/1KvORjv )
ascii_field: ^ anybody else regard this situation as shitgnomiferous ?
ascii_field: and worthy of correction
ascii_field: (speaking of 'getdata' here)
assbot: Logged on 15-06-2015 15:50:15; asciilifeform: from the pov of the chumps, the more sinister aspect, as always, is the non-cryptographic concept of identity used in nato reich, where folks can actually impersonate you if they know a handful of basic biographical facts
assbot: Logged on 15-06-2015 15:52:37; asciilifeform: ultimately usg 'department of plenty' ~really~ wants money to get borrowed. whether you in particular like to borrow money or not. if some 'helpful' nigerian can do it in your name, so much the better from their pov.
kakobrekla: >Coinbase is advertising an "Unreliable solution" (instead of trustless solution) and "Busy function" (the English term is "feature full", which is supposed to mean "full of features", but they translated it as "the feature [is] full [of something]".
trinque: ascii_field: testing tooling is probably a fine place to start for me; I'll look into gcov this weekend.
mod6: 180k
ascii_field: 290160+
assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 16:01:48; kakobrekla: lobbes the last link in that lobbesbot msg is broked
lobbes: Hmm, my first guess is that it is a character limit set somewhere, though I'm just pulling that out of my ass
lobbes: thanks for the heads up. I'll look into it
kakobrekla: lobbes yeah at least on ircd side
punkman: irc limit
shinohai: heh ascii_field 'tis difficult to buy BTC here for real. CoinBase has shuttered me twice.
ascii_field: also need with what to buy!
kakobrekla: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: (laugh, but sometimes ~this~ is the hard bit)
decimation: shinohai: how did they 'shutter' you?
ascii_field: (world's most reliable btc-selling phriendz could not help you if you haven't with what to buy it...)
mircea_popescu: shinohai where is here ?
shinohai: I'm in the U.S. They froze my account first for sending to a gambling site, the second time it was my stoopid bank
shinohai: but meh, i hated coinbase anyway
kakobrekla: for sending to a gambling site < here you can use this currency that you can freely use as long as you dont use it freely
decimation: shinohai: wait, they froze your btc wallet?
shinohai: yeh, only had $25 left in it, but they let me back in after 4-5 weeks? Then BoA shut me down
shinohai: Buying BTC is a "suspicious activity"
ascii_field: isn't BoA infamous for being, approx., the microshit of u.s. banks ?
kakobrekla: unless you are registered terrorist
trinque: ayep
shinohai: yeah, i no longer have a BoA account
trinque: BoA is the kind of bank that charges you for having an empty account
trinque: then charges you overdraft fees
trinque: goto 10
ascii_field: why anyone uses it is beyond me
kakobrekla: has 'america' in the name?
ascii_field: my current impression is that it once sucked an average amount, and then became what it is now
decimation: see, this is why usg doesn't need to actually 'make law'
decimation: it just has to let its unofficial organs know how the game should go
ascii_field: (once became dominant)
ascii_field: usgicity is infectious - no one wants to be the first fella to stop clapping when it's clap-for-stalin time
decimation: it was the 'beneficiary' of many of the the 2008 'bad loans'
ascii_field: (and yes, famously, he eventually had a bell installed)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36550 @ 0.00052058 = 19.0272 BTC [+] {4}
shinohai: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 255.15, Best ask: 255.3, Bid-ask spread: 0.15000, Last trade: 255.01, 24 hour volume: 18016.50885563, 24 hour low: 253.0, 24 hour high: 262.61, 24 hour vwap: None
assbot: Disappointments - Using the GNU Compiler Collection (GCC) ... ( http://bit.ly/1NAgczp )
ascii_field: ^ confirms my hypothesis from several months ago
ascii_field: 'GCC comes with shell scripts to fix certain known problems in system header files. They install corrected copies of various header files in a special directory where only GCC will normally look for them. The scripts adapt to various systems by searching all the system header files for the problem cases that we know about.'
ascii_field: 'If new system header files are installed, nothing automatically arranges to update the corrected header files. They can be updated using the mkheaders script installed in libexecdir/gcc/target/version/install-tools/.'
assbot: Logged on 03-04-2015 16:43:02; asciilifeform: my present hypothesis is that gcc is making 'unprincipled exceptions' for stdint.
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184255 <<< most i did was 1000mg, sweet spot was around 600-700 for me
assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 16:49:39; danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1171891 << most i ever had at once was 600 mg in the form of 40 gel caps
trinque: did look like int related headers were magically appearing or not depending on where the build happened
ascii_field: gotta love this attitude
ascii_field: 'let's break semantics of everything because it isn't like anyone still expects anything to work as printed on the tin'
trinque: that one's on the disappointments page for the world's manual
shinohai: The #b-a purple drank
ascii_field: aha, and nobody mentioned it, nor did 'google' ever turn it up
ascii_field: had to stumble across it while pursuing an entirely unrelated matter
assbot: Fixed Headers - Using the GNU Compiler Collection (GCC) ... ( http://bit.ly/1NAh9b9 )
decimation: ascii_field: this must be a glibc vs gcc conflict?
decimation: after all, there can be only one /usr/include
ascii_field doesn't know, and, at this point, doesn't much care
ascii_field: 'hey hey, ho ho,' glibc 'has got to go'
decimation: drepper presaged poettering
ascii_field: shoot it, bury, pour cement.
ascii_field: poettering is small change
ascii_field: drepperization has touched more or less the entire known unixlike universe
trinque: and bezzlization burned down all alternative worlds
ascii_field: long, long ago.
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
assbot: EWONTFIX - Breakincludes ... ( http://bit.ly/1NAkwi4 )
ascii_field: ^ pretty lulzy site overall
ascii_field: recommended.
assbot: EWONTFIX - Broken by design: systemd ... ( http://bit.ly/1NAkKpA )
decimation: the official redhat gcc nukes the mkheaders script: rm -f $FULLEPATH/install-tools/{mkheaders,fixincl}
decimation: ^ from source package (.spec)
ascii_field: decimation: relevant:
ascii_field: 'Finally, I suppose one might wonder why something that seems so broken, as I've described fixincludes, might go undetected for so long. The explanation is simple: distros. Most users of GCC use binary packages prepared for a particular OS distribution, where the packager has already cleaned up most of the mess, either by building GCC in a sterile environment where it can't find any headers to pick up and hack up, or by
ascii_field: pruning the resulting include-fixed directory. Thus, the only people who have to deal with fixincludes are people who build GCC from the source packages, or who are setting up build scripts for their own deployment/distribution.'
ascii_field: the whole thing just desperately needs to die
assbot: EWONTFIX - Introducing EWONTFIX ... ( http://bit.ly/1NAlcEb )
decimation: what I find amusing is that gcc comes with system include files, but 'also depends' on glibc
ascii_field: 'musl's efficiency is unparalleled in Linux libc implementations. Designed from the ground up for static linking, musl carefully avoids pulling in large amounts of code or data that the application will not use. ... musl features the first post-NPTL implementation of POSIX threads for Linux, and the first aimed at complete conformance and robustness. Thread cancellation has been re-designed to avoid serious race
ascii_field: conditions in the original NPTL design. As for efficiency, the whole threads implementation weighs in at around 10-20k depending on target architecture and compiler settings.'
ascii_field: ^ who wants to try ?
ascii_field: (apparently 'ewontfix' is involved with 'musl')
ascii_field: http://www.musl-libc.org/how.html << works - or claims to - with stock gcc on existing system
assbot: musl - How to Use ... ( http://bit.ly/1IwxQnI )
ascii_field: 'When will it be finished?' 'When there's nothing left to remove.' (faq)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 102930 @ 0.00053093 = 54.6486 BTC [+]
ascii_field: 'sys-libs/musl' on gentoo!
ascii_field: 'Be aware that, "out of the box", the wrapper only supports C applications, not C++. This is because the C++ libraries and headers are missing from the musl include/library path. The existing libstdc++ is actually compatible with musl in most cases and could be used by copying it into the musl library path, but the C++ header files are usually not compatible. One option may be rebuilding just libstdc++ against musl;
ascii_field: however, if C++ support is needed, it's recommended just to build a native toolchain targetting musl.'
ascii_field: ^ not quite fire-and-forget
phf: maze of twisty little passages, all alike
decimation: well, nothing involving C++ is fire-and-forget
decimation: did you see that 'were gonna increment C++99 to C+14!!!!'
phf: mircea_popescu: i'll keep that i mind. i'd like to give it a try, but i still have memories of tedium and despair from last time i tried building a crystal space project on mac
mircea_popescu: seems to be the consensus so far.
decimation: ascii_field: note the commonality to all of these problems: "we own this namespace so you should accept our aliased symbols"
assbot: UK Gambling Commission Strongarms Some Bitcoin Based Gambling Websites | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1NAne7h )
BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184315 << The appeal is not in the "light client" but in the server that indexes the full node's blockchain and makes "transaction observatory" easier.
assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 18:03:15; ascii_field: why is this needed if you have one or more full nodes at home.
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184310 << Prolly need more power, once bitcoind is sync'd electrum-server generates a whole new tens of gigs database of its own... You can ask Jurov about that
assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 18:02:08; shinohai: I'm still working on the electrum server thing, but I imagine it should fit neatly on the pogo as well.
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184577 << aaaaand to nobody's great surprise, go try, 'crossdev x86_64-pc-linux-musl', barfs in 'stage2'
assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 21:33:59; ascii_field: 'sys-libs/musl' on gentoo!
ascii_field: and the only search result for the barf turns up: http://pastebin.com/U4Q3X7X0
assbot: /var/tmp/portage/cross-x86_64-pc-linux-musl/gcc-4.6.3/work/build/./gcc/xgcc -sha - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1IwEOsY )
ascii_field: circa 2012.
deedbot-: accepted: 1
shinohai: you know, why complicate things. I like the small bitcoind
ascii_field: wai wat
ascii_field: shinohai: 'small bitcoind' vs what ?
shinohai: vs. electrum
ascii_field: weird kludges which ultimately came from the retardation of the 'powerranger' bitcoind - e.g., inability to know when an addr has been paid, without having private key - are to be fixed in the proper way
ascii_field: that is, by removing the retardation which made them appear necessary
ascii_field: there was never any fucking reason to couple the addr-watching functionality with 'wallet'
ascii_field: it was screamingly stupid from day 1.
assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 02:03:20; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 211814+
ascii_field: 294300+
kakobrekla: well that one goes all the way back to satoshi.
ascii_field: kakobrekla: aha
mircea_popescu: ah yeah. that sounds like a properly connected node ove ran actually functioning link for cryssakes.
kakobrekla: from the era of unencrypted wallets
ascii_field: kakobrekla: but look at all the folks who could have done something about it, and instead pulled each other's cocks
mircea_popescu: you both have a solid point.
mircea_popescu: what's worse, look at the people who claimed to be and acted as if they were actually doing useful work
mircea_popescu: while in fact pulling each other's cock. it's a sickening display.
ascii_field: hey, usg paid'em to sit and pull. those cocks won't pull themselves
mircea_popescu: paid my foot.
mircea_popescu: usg isn't even paying lawsky's pension.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: the way this works is that if mr pension is ever short on dough, he gets 'honorary professorship' at yalprincevard, or 'lecture fee', or 'consultantship' at lockheed, etc
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1183987 << wrong on a lot of things. the only thing dropping a nuke will do is ensure the dropper loses.
assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 02:26:47; mats: passably decent analysis overall, although the journalist is quite wrong about ru military inferiority and nato military superiority
assbot: CUNY Keeps Bezzle Flowing to Krugman | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1IwGnHf )
mircea_popescu: you're comparing britni with random ho waiting tables.
ascii_field: possibly
mircea_popescu: give it some time, he'll go the way of that cornel west fucktard in due time
mircea_popescu: nothing's fickler than the socialist.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39050 @ 0.0004935 = 19.2712 BTC [-]
assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 03:19:47; ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-06-2015#1181766 << not worth a thousand words eh ? << only maybe if well curated, but that breaks the whole algorithmic share allocation routine
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184001 << well, look it up. there's a present risk of suffocation, and most sudden infant death correlates with shared sleeping arrangements. baby should have a cot, something. even if it's just a sling hanging off a hook by side of your bed.
assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 03:22:19; ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1182919 << why? and how can i possibly evaluate any advice in this context?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184009 << i wouldn't issue such a command. why wouldn't your driver cook at your command ? because if you live like that, the only guarantee is that you'll be overrun with assorted vermin.
assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 03:51:09; ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> who wants to run an editor that can open the net ? << why wouldn't your editor connect to the net at your command?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184025 << nah, it's drastically visible. you're basically saying "i couldn't spot a firefly because everything generates a little radiation"
assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 04:08:54; decimation: plenty of places in the us have U just laying around in the ground
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184085 << ahaha this is great. but in fairness, the chick seemed quite pleasant, no idea why he went all berserk on her ass.
assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 07:42:48; ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-07-2015#1183439 << lol fess up dpb i want to hear this story
mircea_popescu: well... an inkling of an idea.
decimation: no, my point is that there are places that have enough 'natural' radiation to require very large 'dirty bomb'
decimation: to accomplish a similiar level of background
decimation: to the point where it would be simpler just to johnny-appleseed the material around an area yourself
decimation: my meta-point being that there's places where humans seem to survive just fine while being exposed to a few more zeros worth of radiation than 'normal people'
kakobrekla: like Semipalatinsk for example
mircea_popescu: well your last point may well stand on its own. we really know precious little about radio-bio interaction.
mircea_popescu: but the former does not. it IS very visible.
decimation: yeah, it might be visible, but the effort going into turning a bomb into an 'aerosol delivery system' is probably wasted. Like ascii's point about chemical EMP bombs
decimation: !up bitspill
danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-06-2015#1173021 << i met a girl at porcfest who is either a maidsafe dev or in some way associated with them; she said to me "hey aren't you that guy who's always on about the WoT on twitter?"
assbot: Logged on 22-06-2015 22:51:50; williamdunne: Has anything been said by maidsafe recently?
decimation: danielpbarron: does the 'free state project' still exist?
decimation: I don't recall them making much headway on the political climate of new hampshire
danielpbarron: yeah but it doesn't amount to much
trinque: 16,832 of 20,000 according to the site
trinque: committed to move
danielpbarron: basically only attracts a bunch of losers
trinque: ^ this was my experience of the whole libertarian community
trinque: and the ron paul people
danielpbarron: they're all into this whole "polyamory" thing which is a just ephemism for mysandry
decimation: well, because almost by definition they have removed themselves from any kind of power, being against usg as it exists
danielpbarron: euphemism* \\ and this is necessary for them because there are so many more men than women who sign
decimation: as in, one woman for multiple men?
danielpbarron: pretty much
danielpbarron: they don't describe it that way; it could be a guy with multiple girls, but it probably never is
decimation: lol. well I guess that's consistant with a male who also removes himself from any hope of having power
danielpbarron: with the exception of the "celebritarians" who basically have harems
trinque: danielpbarron: I don't recall ever encountering a "polyamorist" who was not female\
trinque: decimation: lol
trinque: I tend to mentally make note that the person's a disease supernode and move on
trinque: in portland "polyamory" means "I'm going to fuck other men and tell you about it"
danielpbarron: yep, that.
danielpbarron: and they are usually ugly and surrounded by drama
danielpbarron: it's like the worst of both worlds of being a single slut and being in a committed relationship
shinohai: The single life for me
trinque: framing taking abuse as a matter of enlightenment is the oldest cult swindle there is
decimation: emphasizing their female empowerment by communicating how being with men is important to them?
decimation: aka 'hazing', nearly all institutions have some form
trinque: muh poor foreskin
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Oh I though we had protestors already
danielpbarron: at least this time around everyone knew who i was (that mean Bible guy who's also affilated with that mean exchange operator) and got very few culty "why haven't you signed yet" lectures
cazalla: BingoBoingo, i don't think it becomes a protest until he's hung about a few days and commented the same shit a few times but either way, haters gon' hate
trinque: danielpbarron: mean bible guy lol
trinque: least you actually read the book
danielpbarron: it worked out well for my assassins game -- all the dirty looks I was getting made me constantly paranoid that my assassin was going to get me at any moment
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184679 <<< sounds like the same women who play mmorpgs
assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 22:53:47; danielpbarron: and they are usually ugly and surrounded by drama
shinohai: Aren't you a Xtian danielpbarron ?
danielpbarron: shinohai, ya
shinohai: I thought I noticed something about it on your site.
shinohai: I tend to avoid religious materials.
danielpbarron: as stupid as the free state is, they throw a decent party for a week, and it's worth attending soley for meeting chicks and playing assassin so i'll probably go again next year
danielpbarron: and there's also poker (speaking of which, give it a few years and that festival will be entirely about poker)
trinque: I tend to think the libertarian thing (minimal state, so on) only works if the people thereof are well conditioned into accepting hierarchy.
danielpbarron: last year there was 1 table; this year there were at least 3 (i heard about others)
trinque: so yeah, you're free, now go to work for someone better than you
trinque: might've been something like what the USA was back when
danielpbarron: you'd think, but they are more of the socialist nature than they'd like to admit to themselves which becomes quite apparent when someone like me starts advocating feudalism and slavery
mats: lol
trinque: danielpbarron: I've heard so called libertarians derp on about "libertarian socialism"
decimation: yeah about 90% of the libertarians I've encoutnered on the internet and otherwise are socialists with reservations
trinque: decimation: socialism plus weed!
danielpbarron: lots of weed!
decimation: note they are all in for changing shit that doesn't matter in the least, like whether you can smoke weed
mats: how many asians you got walking around porcfest dpb
danielpbarron: i saw a bunch playing poker actually
danielpbarron: one of the best guys at the table was some sort of asian
mats: maybe ill go next year
danielpbarron: and took the host for over 1k
danielpbarron: you totally should
mats: i try not to stand out too much
danielpbarron: you will be the coolest person there
danielpbarron: !gettrust assbot mats
assbot: Trust relationship from user assbot to user mats: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 4 via 4 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=assbot&to=mats | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/mats/
danielpbarron: and that whole "there aren't any women in the liberty movement" thing is total B.S. -- there just aren't enough to go around the crowd of poor losers that ends up collecting around the bon fire late at night
danielpbarron: "i'm in the b-a WoT" is a decent pick up line, surprisingly or unsurprisingly enough
mats: how would these people know what that is
danielpbarron: many didn't, but they think that they are bitcoiners so it isn't a hard bridge to cross
decimation: lol. "crypto enthusiasts"
mats: i have had a tricky time broaching the subject
danielpbarron: which subject?
mats: first impression goes well, second time around its like...
mats: who is this popescu guy that's constantly talking about enslaving people and why is this mpex page so ugly
shinohai: I like wot. it requires discipline.
mats: bitcoin is stupid, man, it was at 1200 and now its at 250
danielpbarron: if you believe what you're saying and have confidence then the rest falls into place
danielpbarron: people want to be in the presence of someone who knows what they are doing
danielpbarron: even if they don't quite understand it or might have reservations about it
mats: invariably people don't want to be associated with genuine seditionists
mats: and i get that
danielpbarron: that's a win win because i don't want to be associated with them either
decimation: me neither
danielpbarron: i had quite a few people get full on trigged by me, to the point where they needed a cuddle session from a blue haired wildebeast
mats: well, i like having a rl network and assets i can rely on for their particular talents
danielpbarron: one of which was set off by my "keep calm and abandon OpenSSL" t-shirt
mats: being difficult is not something i'm interested in doing
danielpbarron: i told him that I don't trust https in general and he completely flipped out to where he was yelling accusations like "you're going to get exposed for the fraud you are! we use https here!" or something like that
mats: regular folk need https
mats: we're all on the same page here, but telling people https is untrustworthy when they've no deep technical knowledge isn't helpful
mats: it encourages mythical distrust of computers
mats: things like HSTS does raise the technical difficulty of performing attacks against regular folks
trinque: sure, from the mitm perspective
trinque: they're still probably working on an utterly infested device
trinque: mats: I see your point though; it is probably best to frame it as a conversation around the limitations of https
trinque: rather than just leaving it at DEATH TO TLS
danielpbarron: mats, that particular guy thought he had deep technical knowledge i guess. Enough to know what OpenSSL and LibreSSL are, and enough to suppose that he knew more than I did and that he'd help "expose" me
trinque: lol @ "I'll expose you!"
trinque: danielpbarron: was it this guy?
danielpbarron: no he had more of the meth addict look going for him
trinque: somebody's gotta eventually ask one of these germans what e-mail clients and plugins they may have used over the years
shinohai: that blkcut utility is bitchin'
mod6: cool shinohai
mod6: 192k+
asciilifeform: trinque: i can think of no reason to suppose that the folks named in the keys had anything whatsoever to do with submitting the 32bit-diddled versions
trinque: asciilifeform: yeah, I see your point
asciilifeform: the 'email client' thing, if you recall, was a canned fabrication by the 'debunking' fella
asciilifeform: (not that it is impossible, but there is nothing to recommend it vs any other hypothesis)
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184748 << in order to formulate ~rational~ distrust, you need literacy. which is not and cannot be a mass phenomenon. hence the choice, for the lumpens, is between mystical trust and mystical distrust
assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 23:18:16; mats: it encourages mythical distrust of computers
asciilifeform: and not of computers (which, last i saw, did not program themselves) - but of ~people~
asciilifeform: particular people.
assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 23:08:50; danielpbarron: "i'm in the b-a WoT" is a decent pick up line, surprisingly or unsurprisingly enough
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184659 << in a very important sense, those folks are the ~strongest~ believers in usg as a concept
assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 22:48:28; decimation: I don't recall them making much headway on the political climate of new hampshire
asciilifeform: just as the 'гласность' folks were the strongest believers, in their time, in concept of ussr
asciilifeform: in both cases, the pathology of failing to 'set the bozo bit' on a philosophically-bankrupt system
trinque: asciilifeform: big time, the libertarians tend to self-describe as "real" americans
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184666 << as i understand, this is an example of 'smv' (sexual market value) as described by mocsny and kokkarinen at work. it takes the form of 'man: what can i afford' 'woman: with your bid, you can afford to be my driver and pay two-thirds of my rent. in return, you get every 47th fuck, if good behaviour.'
assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 22:49:55; danielpbarron: they're all into this whole "polyamory" thing which is a just ephemism for mysandry
asciilifeform: trinque: aha, precisely like the 'real communists'
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184640 << a bit of a fundamental misconception here. 'emacs' in particular is ~not~ a 'text editor', but a kind of poor man's lisp machine. and is used as such by many folks
assbot: Logged on 02-07-2015 22:30:34; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-07-2015#1184009 << i wouldn't issue such a command. why wouldn't your driver cook at your command ? because if you live like that, the only guarantee is that you'll be overrun with assorted vermin.
trinque: asciilifeform: that was actually my reaction when learning of genera and other such systems
trinque: "holy shit, stallman was trying to cram a version of this environment into unix"
asciilifeform: trinque: emacs, you might be surprised to learn, predates rms
trinque: in my historical wanderings, I learned of zmacs
trinque: I guess there's a whole lineage of things which ended up being called emacs
trinque: asciilifeform: the thought actually was... "so emacs is a sort of masamune... lol!"
trinque: no offense to mr laddel
asciilifeform: trinque: mno. because it doesn't (except in the most minimal sense) try to handle unixisms ~from within~
asciilifeform: the difference is important
trinque: well, there are plenty of wads o' elisp that try to do that very thing
trinque: not that I use any of them
asciilifeform: elisp, incidentally, is a world-class turd
asciilifeform: more or less a throwback to very impoverished 1970s lisps
asciilifeform: (e.g., dynamic scope)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23700 @ 0.0005079 = 12.0372 BTC [+]
trinque: seems damned javascript-y, though I know it preceded that
asciilifeform: trinque: thing is, 'lispy' interpreters written in a hurry by students end up being all quite alike
asciilifeform: for fundamental reasons
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61000 @ 0.00051884 = 31.6492 BTC [+]
trinque afk for a bit
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 500 @ 0.0025 = 1.25 BTC [-]
assbot: sabotage-linux/sabotage · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1UeHyzO )
assbot: Project:Hardened musl - Gentoo Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1UeHIY0 )
assbot: Buildroot (busybox) - [PATCH 0/5] Support for musl based external toolchains ... ( http://bit.ly/1dADYyn )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50231 @ 0.00051398 = 25.8177 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27000 @ 0.00051347 = 13.8637 BTC [-]
assbot: BitcoinStats ... ( http://bit.ly/1LLsEym )
shinohai: but your bitcoind shall decimate correct asciilifeform
asciilifeform: shinohai: i must point out that it isn't 'mine', but therealbitcon's (in the face of ben_vulpes and mod6)
shinohai: it must make XT a distant memory
shinohai: fair enuf
asciilifeform: i just made a couplea patches
shinohai: *overall foundation*
asciilifeform: (most of which are, at present time, considered highly experimental and will not be making it into a release any time soon)
shinohai: is there a node list i should consider?
asciilifeform: shinohai: mircea_popescu has one up
asciilifeform: 188.68.240.167
asciilifeform: it is running his own personal, unpublished port of bitcoind
shinohai: so -connect flag is sufficient?
asciilifeform: since, i think, 2011
shinohai ^ did not know that
asciilifeform: shinohai: my understanding is that mircea_popescu, with the help of trusted phriendz unknown to us, did something quite like therealbitcoin, early on
asciilifeform: for the specific purpose of running mpex
shinohai: interesting.
shinohai: Such rich and mysterious history
assbot: Logged on 24-06-2015 02:59:50; mircea_popescu: i dun think i ever said anything about that.
asciilifeform: all i can personally say about this is that it serves up (big fat surprise!) apparently correct blocks
asciilifeform: which is what we, in particular, care about, for this purpose.
asciilifeform: and that it uses the traditional blkxxxx format to keep said blocks in: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=30-06-2015#1182019
assbot: Logged on 30-06-2015 20:10:22; mircea_popescu: deedbot- http://dpaste.com/3RDD2F9.txt
asciilifeform: and, possibly, that he did the Right Thing and sawed off wallet into a separate mechanism: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-10-2014#890284
assbot: Logged on 23-10-2014 05:07:32; mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> connected with serial cable << this from reading up on old mpex material ?
asciilifeform: and that's pretty much it
asciilifeform: if mircea_popescu ever feels like saying any more on the subject, he can.
asciilifeform: other than that, 'take it or leave it'
decimation: asciilifeform: what is electrum other than 'wallet split from node'?
asciilifeform can't comment re: 'electrum', never used
asciilifeform: does it know how to communicate over a serial cable with a full node ?
asciilifeform: or does it open ordinary sockets and expect a tcp stack
shinohai: mircea_popescu has already provided an ample amount of reading between logs and trilema xD
asciilifeform knows that one can 'theoretically' be turned into the other, but is not so much interested in the particulars as in the overall flavour of the design, as to whether it rejected networking to begin with
decimation: it uses a tcp connection with a special block server I think
asciilifeform: needs a custom bitcoind ?
asciilifeform: wtf is the point
decimation: yeah I think so, not sure
decimation: https://github.com/spesmilo/electrum-server < "The server requires bitcoind, leveldb and plyvel"
assbot: spesmilo/electrum-server · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1LLtISX )
decimation: apparently it gloms onto rpc port
decimation: what would an 'electrum replacement' need?
asciilifeform: what is the purpose of said replacement ?
decimation: okay, you have serial line connected to bitcoind
asciilifeform: elementary
decimation: how do I find txns for accounting in my wallet
decimation: and send txns
asciilifeform: thing on the other side needs to know how to sign a tx
asciilifeform: the bitcoind, in turn, needs to know how to 1) crap out a proper tx for it to sign 2) eat the result
decimation: account belongs on the public side?
asciilifeform: account ?
asciilifeform: public ?
decimation: essentially, querying the blockchain for my txns
shinohai: I can't get electrum right for shit. I did a test tx using pywallet to import a privkey
asciilifeform: decimation: neither side, properly speaking, ought to be 'public'
decimation: this goes to the ancient thread about what bitcoind should do
asciilifeform: the full node is '-connect'ed to a public-facing node, yes
decimation: so need to query for my txns
asciilifeform: query the cutout (said full node)
decimation: across serial cable?
decimation: okay, well that's essentially what electrum server does I guess
decimation: except this feature could be integrated into bitcoind
asciilifeform: except i'm not sure why this requires GBytes of rubbish
asciilifeform: and weird dependencies
decimation: well, yeah
decimation: !gettrust DanyAlos assbot
assbot: Trust relationship from user DanyAlos to user assbot: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=DanyAlos&to=assbot | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/assbot/
assbot: Breaking the house — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1ITq8zW )
decimation: http://www.bbc.com/news/health-33362472 < "She told the BBC that "Children with autism didn't show this modulation at all - they took the same sniff for the smell of shampoo as they did for rotten fish." "They also showed that the more severe the symptoms of autism the longer the children inhaled the unpleasant smells. "
assbot: Sniffing could provide autism test - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1ITqaYA )
asciilifeform: 'Part of the functionality of our site is that we have to give out decrypted server seeds (to assure users no bet manipulation has occurred) and put a new random seed in place, essentially trashing the old revealed seed. Hufflepuff found a way to “confuse” our server, and made it give out a decrypted server seed that was also an active seed. This was done by sending it more requests than it could handle in a small time per
asciilifeform: iod, think hundreds of requests in under a second. The result of this is that he knew all the information required to corroborate the outcomes of his bets. He knew whether if he would win or lose, and could wager accordingly.'
decimation: lol why do they need to give seed
asciilifeform: same reason 'satoshi dice' did ?
asciilifeform: the whole 'provably fair' thing
decimation: why not build physical source of entropy
asciilifeform: because go & prove that it is a physical whatever, rather than a house-always-wins source
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20350 @ 0.00052155 = 10.6135 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: same reason vegas uses prng (supplied, incidentally, by usg)
decimation: if house always wins, people will realized and move on
asciilifeform doesn't care for either kind of dice game, cannot comment re: the appeal of 'provable' ones
asciilifeform: one obvious observation, however, is that 'house' can never prove that it had not shared its seeds with a shill
decimation: yeah, me neither, but sending the server seed seems like you are putting your balls on the chopping block
asciilifeform: whose only purpose is to be one of the 'provably fair' winners that day
decimation: heh good point
asciilifeform: iirc the satoshidice inventor offered a reward to anyone who might devise a means whereby he can prove that he doesn't do this
asciilifeform: it was never claimed
asciilifeform: now, it is not physically impossible to solve this problem
asciilifeform: (see, for example, the 'millionaire protocol')
asciilifeform: but afaik this was never pursued by anyone.
decimation: I would think it would require examining the outcome of every player's bet
asciilifeform: decimation: that is only needed when one is verifying the 'fair' bit
assbot: A Few Thoughts on Cryptographic Engineering: Poker is hard, especially for cryptographers ... ( http://bit.ly/1ITruKY )
asciilifeform: ^ contains a link to the original paper, for anyone unfamiliar.
decimation: interesting.
asciilifeform: http://xenbits.xen.org/xsa/advisory-135.html << moar lulz. yet another (!) xen escape
assbot: XSA-135 - Xen Security Advisories ... ( http://bit.ly/1LLvIKF )
asciilifeform: based on yet another piece of qemu cruft
decimation: how much worse is docker?
asciilifeform: (not to be confused with the last such, which relied on a flawed emulation of pc floppy card. this one uses nic.)
asciilifeform: decimation: not comparable
decimation: asciilifeform: did you see the cache telegraphy escape?
asciilifeform: decimation: that's not an escaper
asciilifeform: it's a known backchannel, yes
asciilifeform: but not an arbitrary code exec thing
trinque: decimation: docker's a piece of shit for its own reasons
trinque: yet another "lets try to layer tape upon the turd and hope that solves the underlying derp of the system"
trinque: whereas xen is a hypervisor, docker uses the linux containers thing, which effectively gives you multiple userspaces
trinque: the docker daemon itself is this vast wad o' golang that runs as root
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu https://github.com/Rossem/RedditStorage << somebody liked your reddit-shitburial idea
assbot: Rossem/RedditStorage · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1ITu3wI )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
decimation: people have emphasized docker's security benefits
asciilifeform: gotta love the 's333k000r1ty benefitz' of running a blob of hipsterystrange as root
trinque: assuming the hardware, kernel, distro, docker, distro, and your proggy are perfect, sure!
decimation: asciilifeform: maybe you can use systemd to boot it
trinque: I would expect (as admittedly a casual in the kernel space) to find the same kinds of break-out flaws in docker and linux containers as are found all the time in xen
trinque: and also, docker sets up and manages its own fancy virtual network between your containers
trinque: so probably loads to be done to that thing too
shinohai: i use docker on hashbang, but it is like a Rube Goldberg cartoon
trinque: shinohai: yeah I used it on deedbot to make a final judgment
trinque: fuckinthingsucks.gif
decimation: does docker actually emulate a hardware nic like qemu
shinohai: For instance, this may have been a forerunner of BTCXT http://notquant.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/rube.gif
trinque: decimation: I believe so; inside your container you have your own network device
trinque: shinohai: not byzantine enough
assbot: Elsevier Cracks Down on Pirated Scientific Articles | TorrentFreak ... ( http://bit.ly/1ITuXJs )
mats: no, it doesn't do device emulation
assbot: Dutch universities start their Elsevier boycott plan | Univers ... ( http://bit.ly/1ITv2gh )
assbot: Introduction to Docker (and a bit more) at LSPE meetup Sunnyvale ... ( http://bit.ly/1ITv3kh )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14032 @ 0.00052155 = 7.3184 BTC [+]
mats: slide 7 reads neither HVM nor PV
decimation: asciilifeform: how are they gonna get an injunction against bookfi?
decimation: isn't it based in ukraine?
asciilifeform: usg colony
asciilifeform: among the most eager to slurp up the cock
decimation: seems lik an opportunity for ru
asciilifeform: ru is on a 'dictatorship of the law' and 'property rights' kick
asciilifeform: so doubtful
decimation: what about the days when su judge would consult telephone to moscow before ruling
decimation: mats: it seems to be chroot with some device/pid/ipc space sharing
trinque: mats: looks like it might be coming https://github.com/docker/docker/issues/9983
assbot: Proposal: Network Drivers · Issue #9983 · docker/docker · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1LLxH1A )
mats: ic
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29150 @ 0.00052155 = 15.2032 BTC [+]
decimation: http://dailycaller.com/2015/06/30/heres-why-an-officer-was-legally-allowed-to-shoot-the-escaped-prisoner-in-the-back/ < "You cannot shoot any fleeing felon, but certainly you can shoot the one who poses a real threat. There was no reason to believe this person who had killed a police officer before was not posing a real threat."
assbot: Why Police Can Legally Shoot Fleeing Prison Escapees | The Daily Caller ... ( http://bit.ly/1LLzbsG )
decimation: apparently if you commit a felony involving violence, the police can summarily execute you if the 'feel you pose a threat'
asciilifeform: decimation: iirc, in mexico it is not unlawful to escape from a prison. (in the sense that such a prisoner will not have an additional sentence imposed if caught alive.) but, similarly to usa, it is permissible for police to shoot escapees if they feel like it.
decimation: only if they feel you 'pose a threat'
decimation: http://dailycaller.com/2015/06/19/obama-confuses-white-house-for-prison/ < related "?We should be reforming our criminal justice system in such a way that we are not incarcerating nonviolent offenders in ways that renders them incapable of getting a job after they leave office,? Obama said, effectively comparing being in prison to being in office."
assbot: Obama Confuses 'White House' For 'Prison' | The Daily Caller ... ( http://bit.ly/1GTdNuj )
asciilifeform: related famous bushism: 'Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we.'
assbot: Google dev apologizes after Photos app tags black people as “gorillas” | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1LLA4BF )
assbot: A face-swap app registered the car's tire rim as a face... - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1LLA8Bh )
decimation: asciilifeform: this is terrible news, now all learning algorithms are going to need 'political filters'
decimation: like a party political officer in every server
asciilifeform: logical extension of 'party member in every elevator ride in every office'
decimation: maybe if we end up in the same sharishka we can work on identifying the voice of traitors together
asciilifeform: iirc the israelis have that scamarket cornered for decades
asciilifeform: (a scamarket, naturally, consists of a crown concession to perpetrate a particular kind of scam.)
decimation: note that scamarkets were generally the only market for most of history
asciilifeform: wai wut
asciilifeform: thinking of the guild system ?
decimation: yeah, plus 'crown monopolies'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42700 @ 0.00051347 = 21.9252 BTC [-]
mod6: 107+
mod6: er 207+
asciilifeform: 306200+
asciilifeform: looks like these are going at about same rate
mod6: nice
mod6: how long have you been sync'ing for now? 2 days?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16849 @ 0.00051347 = 8.6515 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: approx. 35 hrs
mod6: ah sweet.
mod6: typical sync via irc seeding took me ~6 days
mod6: seems like this is going faster, but we'll see how long it takes to go from 300k-350k
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