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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the latter. the former only exists in imagination.
trinque: meanwhile looting it
asciilifeform: trinque: this is likely to be repeated, and next on the chopping block is probably 'coinbase'
asciilifeform: the new gox
mircea_popescu: there is not enough bakshees to pass up the chain, because bitcoin is not fiat. they need > 9k% to be satisfied.
trinque: oh, certainly.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform coinbase is definitely on the chopping block.
mircea_popescu: teh republic never liked it.
asciilifeform: meant, that it'll be flushed by usg
asciilifeform: rather than nailed in the wild
mircea_popescu: you generally overtate the efficacity of the derp.
asciilifeform: from outside of the walls it'll look quite like a 'goxing' yes.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the one thing they know how to do is arson
asciilifeform: in all the various senses of the word
mircea_popescu: but think of it this way : never, in the history of tyhe world, did ~they~ ever destroy anything.
mircea_popescu: if they can, they'll just fgill it with straw and keep pretending.
asciilifeform: yes, it's the flames that destroy, not the boy with the matches
mircea_popescu: mtgox's fall took specific, directed pushing
mircea_popescu: and they tried tooth and nail to keep on.
mircea_popescu: so did everything else, so does everything else.
mircea_popescu: the woman that is the state yields eventually, once squeezed enough. not before.
asciilifeform: one could even argue that gox is not dead, but rather passed the torch to coinbase/bitstamp
asciilifeform: in the same way as ibm passed it to microshit
asciilifeform: and microshit is now passing it to google et al
asciilifeform: the unmistakeable attributes of 'goxitude' - 'kyc/aml' crapolade, mysterious freezes/'questionings'/account dissolutions/'verifications' - carry on
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 127600 @ 0.00033284 = 42.4704 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: as do the basic mechanics of a goxatron - encouragement of off-chain payments via 'codes' rather than proper btc, goading users to keep coin in -exchange's- wallet, etc.
mircea_popescu: yes yes. in any case, mtgox ended exactly the way faux gpg, or system d, or gavincoin, or the sec or the fbi are gonna end
mircea_popescu: we're going to charge particular ineptitude, and employ ridicule
mircea_popescu: they're going to spin and deny and pretend nothing happened.
mircea_popescu: by the book.
mircea_popescu: an' with that, i bid you all something or the other!
decimation: here's how to 'out-scam' the printing press: http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2015/06/01/book-review-the-redistribution-recession/ < "In other words we?re trending toward a society where about half of the working-age adults will kill themselves with 60-80-hour weeks while the other half will relax on the sofa."
assbot: Philip Greenspun's Weblog » Book Review: The Redistribution Recession ... ( http://bit.ly/1MrNSyK )
asciilifeform: decimation: l0l, 'trending toward'
decimation: heh yeah
asciilifeform: i suppose, because the famous '47%' isn't quite half
asciilifeform: the key unwritten truth here is that virtually all employed folks in usa are 'on welfare'
decimation: ^ yes, this is true, and most of their welfare comes in 'tax expendatures'
asciilifeform: because, as described very clearly by tlp (that piece cached on mircea_popescu's www) - they either carry out work directly for usg organs (official or otherwise, e.g., microshit) or perform services for the former
decimation: god forbid that we give up the health care tax break or mortgage interest tax break
asciilifeform: e.g., cook in a restaurant frequented by builders who install glass in office towers paid for by bezzlatron
decimation: asciilifeform: yes indeed, nobody in the us is more than two or three degrees from usg
decimation: asciilifeform: or your business is frequented by those who get checks from the treasury for being poor or whatever
asciilifeform: ^ as described by tlp
assbot: Logged on 27-01-2015 05:02:36; mircea_popescu: "The system not only pays poor people, it employs lots and lots of almost poor people. I'm not saying this is a good thing, or a desirable thing, I am simply stating a fact. Some of these are direct government jobs (e.g. staff down at the SSI office) and some are pretend private sector jobs. If you're a psychiatrist at an inner city clinic, you may think you're an independent contractor, but you're r
decimation: yes when barely half of your able adults are working while 40% are being paid to slack, it's pretty obvious that the whole thing is a confidence scheme
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45700 @ 0.00033241 = 15.1911 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54650 @ 0.00033167 = 18.1258 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71400 @ 0.00034063 = 24.321 BTC [+] {2}
danielpbarron: !up shmadz
shmadz: thank you, I'm trying to figure a way to do gpg on android platform. is this possible?
danielpbarron: possible but not recommended
shmadz: for security, right?
danielpbarron: keybase is a way, but you're probably better off getting a real computer first
shmadz: my "real computer" is not with me always. or even often. I was hoping to figure a way to do secure android?
trinque: shmadz: no pill is going to secure android on a cellphone
danielpbarron: you can have "secure cellphone" (just for voice) if you run irc on a computer that doesn't turn off, and connect to that with your cell phone
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55466 @ 0.00035075 = 19.4547 BTC [+]
trinque: !s specificity of the diddling
assbot: 4 results for 'specificity of the diddling' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=specificity+of+the+diddling
trinque: danielpbarron: yeah I use a similar setup
trinque: shmadz: never trust a phone with anything you can't afford to lose
danielpbarron: worst someone can do with compromised irc box is talk as me for as long as i don't notice
danielpbarron: whereas under gribble, the worst they could do was change my key to their key
shmadz: ok, so there is no known solution for secure, pocket sized, computer?
trinque: shmadz: to the logs with you!
danielpbarron: depends.. how pig are your pockets?
trinque: shmadz: define secure
trinque: important to define terms
danielpbarron: you can read the log securely from your phone, although even this is much more enjoyable on a real computer
shmadz: right, I want a solution that is roughly the same size as Samsung note, and runs native Linux, or some secure version of android, if that even exists
trinque: shmadz: again, you need to define secure
trinque: reason being, should you specifically define it, you may find there is no existing device that meets the spec
trinque: or otherwise, it's important to note which actions can and cannot be securely taken on a phone
trinque: which is to say, if you wouldn't do it outside the police station, don't do it on a phone either
trinque: should be obvious
trinque: if you want a phone which does not track your every step, you will not find it
trinque: nor one that respects the privacy of the data you store on it
trinque: so on
danielpbarron: shmadz, if you find yourself in the situation where you need to gpg on the go, you are finding yourself in the wrong situations
trinque: well put
shmadz: thank you, not the answer I'm looking for, but this makes me think there is an opportunity to make the device I want. why is there not secure Linux that can run on a phone-like device?
trinque: man, I dunno that there's a secure linux either
trinque: it's not a 1 or 0 thing
trinque: depends on who the adversary is
danielpbarron: reminds me of the failed key signing party at the last porc fest -- the one after which nobody ended up getting their key signed because all the time was taken setting up a temporary key server when all we had to do was trade fingerprints and sign it later back at home
shmadz: ok, thanks for your help, and thanks for the !up, I think I'm gonna try a remote server to manage the keys, and just remote in from the phone? I don't see any secure solution to my problem atm
danielpbarron: the keys don't need to be on the remote server
danielpbarron: another computer can and should be used to sign and decrypt, and this computer should not be connected to any networks
shmadz: ok, just like offline signing bitcoin transactions? so you use USB to transfer? or you do it by hand? Or what?
danielpbarron: some use a qr code scanner
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47429 @ 0.00034021 = 16.1358 BTC [-]
danielpbarron: !up shmadz
shmadz: ok, thanks Daniel, thanks tribute,
shmadz: *tribute
shmadz: grr, can you tell I'm on a phone? *trinque
danielpbarron: i turn off autocorrect; it drove me crazy
shmadz: yeah, this is a work phone, which is even less secure, so I have to type on it all the time, which probably means everything I
shmadz: type is being tracked
trinque: everything you everything is being tracked; happy 2015, lol
assbot: Welcome | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1eSBzAk )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: !up Vexual
danielpbarron: that p is apparently the 6th "Fermat number"
asciilifeform: !s 4294967297
assbot: 6 results for '4294967297' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=4294967297
asciilifeform: extensively discussed
asciilifeform: it is guaranteed to be a factor in all moduli matching the 'magic 98' pattern
assbot: dpaste: 1TNXJDZ: fffooo ... ( http://bit.ly/1eSCcKd )
asciilifeform: you can prove this fact
asciilifeform: but i am leaving it as an exercise
asciilifeform: (hint: 4294967297 == 2^32 + 1)
asciilifeform: (Apocalyptic may have posted the proof somewhere in the logs already. i can't recall.)
asciilifeform: i will note that -not all- phuctored moduli to date are in 'magic98', nor have all of the 98 been (thus far) phuctored or even attempted
asciilifeform: but elementarily, all of them are expected to appear prior to the end of the churn of the sks dump circa last month
asciilifeform: (on account of all of them being divisible by 4294967297)
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> what i did not have time to do is to measure whether this had the intended effect. << how would you measure fragging?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: can only be (easily) measured indirectly
asciilifeform: sorta like 'dark matter'
asciilifeform: that is, process has heavy 'footprint' but sum of allocations is a small fraction of it
asciilifeform: the only conclusive test for fragging is manually sweating over a memory dump 'with magnifying glass'
asciilifeform: (there may exist an instrumented allocator which will actually complain about being unable to find an appropriately-sized free block, but i am unaware of it)
ben_vulpes: i'm starting to not be surprised by the failure of modern computing tools
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes was at some point surprised ?!
ben_vulpes: i learned then next to the lathe
ben_vulpes: i expected them to work as the lathe does
ben_vulpes: well, i learned their use. can't say as i 'know' them.
asciilifeform: ^ probably most famous lathe of all time
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32771 @ 0.00034021 = 11.149 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: imagine if computer worked like this.
ben_vulpes: lathe fits in head.
asciilifeform: sometimes - head fits in lathe.
asciilifeform: that schmuck's did.
Vexual: liveleaks full of it
Vexual: mircea_popescu: there's always a way. <im glad KRS1 is alive
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11426 @ 0.00033133 = 3.7858 BTC [-]
assbot: LiveLeak.com - machine accident - warning: extremely graphic ... ( http://bit.ly/1RO5GqT )
Vexual: i took the lid of my psu and shorted the fuse after the ticking turned into complete failure
Vexual: nerd fireworks
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53524 @ 0.00033005 = 17.6656 BTC [-] {2}
punkman: assbot: #Justicefordillon Officer Involved - YouTube ... << why are usg cops so afraid of hands in pockets
assbot: Teen confesses in Last Thursday shooting, says someone eyed him ... ( http://bit.ly/1ARhTGK )
ben_vulpes: someone eyed him, you see!
punkman: oic now
punkman: !up Vexual
cazalla: friday, friday, getting down on friday (finally)
Vexual: hey caz
cazalla: Vexual, arvo.. ya drinking?
Vexual: syntax error
Vexual: funny thing is if the internet ever breaks, id have to remember xanthyoss ham sign to find you, but yes
cazalla: VK2DIK?
Vexual: no something like S>>>
Vexual: i forget
Vexual: its an old callsign tho, itd be in bookshops
cazalla: i'm sober so not really following
Vexual: dude has a cool old ham callsign, he left here after a blue with dpb
cazalla: well, it wouldn't be VK2DIK on account he almost cut his off
Vexual: yeah, but he can prolly bed the shit to find a freq
Vexual: *bend
cazalla: got a radio?
Vexual: er maybe
Vexual: im not exactly licensed
cazalla: you can be VK4VEX
Vexual: ok-ay
punkman: !s blockchain radio
assbot: 1 results for 'blockchain radio' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=blockchain+radio
cazalla: Vexual, get the cops up that way?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 264900 @ 0.000327 = 86.6223 BTC [-] {4}
Vexual: i dont have a uhf scanner
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56300 @ 0.00033417 = 18.8138 BTC [+]
Vexual: taxis and cops i dont care
cazalla: still get most of the regional ambos down here on analogue
cazalla: geelong, traralgon
cazalla: ballarat too
Vexual: so towtrucks run on ambo now?
Vexual: thats kinda sad
assbot: OpenSesame - hacking garages in seconds ... ( http://bit.ly/1Io2CA4 )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93616 @ 0.00032551 = 30.4729 BTC [-]
punkman: !up Vexual
Vexual: opening garages could be bad for ur health
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44401 @ 0.00033046 = 14.6728 BTC [+] {2}
punkman: http://store.steampowered.com/hardware PCs that look like a console, wonder how this will go
assbot: Steam Hardware Pre-Order ... ( http://bit.ly/1HP7nNF )
Vexual: nvidea too
cazalla: not sure why anyone who uses steam on desktop would buy any of that
cazalla: !up Vexual
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.20538785 = 2.0539 BTC [-]
Vexual: meanwhile BB up in the smart part of town...
Vexual: caz i saw that neat little lezzo on news 24 this morn singing the praises of melb. wow
Vexual: thats a singer
Vexual: checked the hong kong investors, the numbers checked
Vexual: next month 500k of ur 5 milly must be vc or other new shit
Vexual: get ltd now
cazalla: Vexual, what lezzo?
Vexual: govt suggestions, she was on ellen
Vexual: i forget the name, shes better than that tho
Vexual: singing about melb re
assbot: Chance The Rapper - SURF [Full Album] - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1ARo3a1 )
punkman: this kid has some nice tunes
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 142548 @ 0.00032478 = 46.2967 BTC [-] {4}
Vexual: aussie?
Vexual: nope
punkman: "Bennett was listed #7 on the "Forbes 30 Under 30" 2015 music list" "gave a lecture at Harvard University's Hiphop Archive & Research Institute"
Vexual: thats her'
punkman: so Forbes does music now, and Harvard has a hiphop institute
Vexual: link
Vexual: wtach the greek squirrel it
Vexual: what the link
Vexual: yes its new
assbot: Hiphop Archive & Research Institute | Hutchins Center ... ( http://bit.ly/1MsffIW )
punkman: !up Vexual
Vexual: :) curly
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12962 @ 0.00033417 = 4.3315 BTC [+]
Vexual: real shit
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67899 @ 0.00034389 = 23.3498 BTC [+] {2}
cazalla: ya know if you played good music Vexual, i might be tempted to drink
Vexual: im trying to save you
cazalla: bit over a week since i've imbibed
Vexual: so go to aa\
Vexual: plents of girls that wanna stop
cazalla: nah i'm good, don't have the shimmy shimmy shakes
Vexual: i shake around 9 am
cazalla: so, what, get em liquored up and laid?
Vexual: no
Vexual: stop b4 you need em
Vexual: virginia sees me to 11
Vexual: unnnamed co
cazalla: prob the cop shop itself
Vexual: no morgan shot ell them cunts, the movies sympathetic tho
Vexual: in fact the dv version has all the blood n gore
cazalla: gee i tell ya Vexual.. sober on a friday night, don't know what to do with myself
Vexual: watch a bushranger movie
cazalla: gonna watch blue murder
assbot: Blue Murder (miniseries) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1MsgXKu )
Vexual: cool shit
cazalla: !up Vexual
Vexual: thankyou kindly
Vexual: you know ned kelly went around yelling about morgan
cazalla: morgan who
Vexual: dunno, the nushranger, starts wid a d
Vexual: \cops wer after him for years
cazalla: the abo?
Vexual: 'he was irish
cazalla: ah i thought you mean someone like malcolm naden
Vexual: whats a naden? u sure youre not drunk now?
cazalla: the abo ned kelly guy
Vexual: sounds like a tenni splayer
cazalla: nah some abo that went rambo on some cops and stayed in the bush for years
cazalla: top bloke
Vexual: yeah, maybe
cazalla: bbl
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55950 @ 0.00032158 = 17.9924 BTC [-] {2}
shinohai: gm #bitcoin-assets
Vexual: ford
wyrdmantis: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 359508 | Current Difficulty: 4.758959115362501E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 360863 | Next Difficulty In: 1355 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 8 hours, 16 minutes, and 33 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 47374701445.5 | Estimated Percent Change: -0.45155
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 131250 @ 0.00033211 = 43.5894 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86934 @ 0.00033481 = 29.1064 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 123809 @ 0.00032047 = 39.6771 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12741 @ 0.00031746 = 4.0448 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.20538785 = 2.0539 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 166750 @ 0.00034546 = 57.6055 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: Black Hat USA 2015 | Briefings ... ( http://bit.ly/1IoA8pO )
punkman: Over a hundred people were evacuated from an apartment building Tuesday evening after reports of gunshots from the balcony of an apartment. During a six hour long operation, police surrounded the apartment and tried to contact the gunman before discovering that the apartment was empty.
punkman: good one
shinohai: But, I'm sure they had credible intel *
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97243 @ 0.00033907 = 32.9722 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36250 @ 0.00034251 = 12.416 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38150 @ 0.00034251 = 13.0668 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: it occurs to me someone should perhaps point out to that lying scumbag andresen that https://bitbet.us/bet/1093/bitcoin-main-net-block-size-to-increase-in/
assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin main net block size to increase in 2015 :: 1.75 B (12%) on Yes, 13.09 B (88%) on No | closing in 5 months 2 weeks | weight: 51`751 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1KITrYz )
mircea_popescu: all these imaginary bitcoin businesses and so on that supposedly support him could make a pretty penny bettinbg for the thing they allegedly support at 11:1.
mircea_popescu: funny how the buterin waterfal works. there's allegedly all these usg "companies" with "millions" in their coffers that have "investors" and whanot. meanwhile nobody can be arsed to buy any amount of their stock at a 50% to 90% discount. for like...a year now.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 274050 @ 0.0003385 = 92.7659 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: ethereum was going to be the bees knees for sure definitely absolutely. it even raised a shitton of btc, allegedly. except... not. not at all, not a little bit.
shinohai: rofl I must send out a taunting tweet
mircea_popescu: and so on and so forth, gavin's spoken to "economists" that agree with him except meanwhile they turn out to not exist and he has the support of business except all that business can't get a hundred bitcoin together. in which sense, it is obviously a subsection of the tardstalk forum - those guys got like 1k together to give marquardt so he could leave council housing.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 7 @ 0.20538785 = 1.4377 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform 31 too huh. i notice something strange here, brb while i write it up.
assbot: MPIF (F.MPIF) May 2015 Statement on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1KIUnw3 )
mircea_popescu: !up HostFat
mircea_popescu: hm, does anyone remember this excellent write-up of the videogaming industry wrt drivers ? it was a fable-like story, didn't name intel nvidia ati etc but described the interactions with game developers in some intricate detail.
mircea_popescu: i dun recall if i put it in here or not tho ;/
wyrdmantis: hi HostFat
assbot: Rich Geldreich's Tech Blog: The Truth on OpenGL Driver Quality ... ( http://bit.ly/1H87U11 )
mircea_popescu: thank you intel.
mircea_popescu: !gettrust HostFat
assbot: Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user HostFat: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=mircea_popescu&to=HostFat | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/HostFat/
mircea_popescu: wyrdmantis dja know the guy ?
HostFat: hi mircea
HostFat: I'm the italian moderator on bitcointalk
mircea_popescu: hey. wouldja mind getting into the wot, for one thing ?
HostFat: actually I'm really busy because I'm trasfering in another city on these 2 days
HostFat: *currently
mircea_popescu: well not this instant. generally.
HostFat: anyway, I'm also the one that has made a bet about the block size on bitbet :P
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 408400 @ 0.00034698 = 141.7066 BTC [+] {6}
mircea_popescu: for the other thing : plox to not email bomb me ; bitbet's not keeping your bitcoin, rejected props get refunded as it gets around to it ; yeah 1 btc is prolly enough for that purpose ; if https://bitbet.us/bet/786/bitcoin-to-surpass-berkshire-as-an-investment/ and https://bitbet.us/bet/7/bfl-will-deliver-asic-devices-before-march-1st/ being paid out isn't going to convince you i guess nothing will.
assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment :: 1121.15 B (20%) on Yes, 4393.47 B (80%) on No | closed 3 months 2 weeks ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1H8aLqU )
assbot: BitBet - BFL will deliver ASIC devices before March 1st :: 791.29 B (47%) on Yes, 898.53 B (53%) on No | closed 2 years 3 months ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1H8aLHj )
HostFat: I did't know about the refund, good, than I'll make again the bet with 1 BTC at this time :)
wyrdmantis: mircea_popescu i know him, never met IRL, debated with him about blocksize change :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88906 @ 0.00035141 = 31.2425 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell nubbins` ^
gribble: The operation succeeded.
Pierre_Rochard: ;;later tell pete_dushenski clarifying that I am indeed not GBANGA! ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rREGbLdOzfg ) and that I would’ve thought a greyhound bus would be a great way to launder money, but events proved otherwise
assbot: Steve Holt! - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1RPm0HM )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89000 @ 0.00035281 = 31.4001 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 395450 @ 0.00034097 = 134.8366 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27600 @ 0.00033564 = 9.2637 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49000 @ 0.00035284 = 17.2892 BTC [+]
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell cazalla "sum" of money, not "some" in your last article.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
pete_dushenski: Pierre_Rochard: ha, classic show and classic scene !
pete_dushenski: if i needed to move $1 mn + i'm not sure that i'd take any form of public transportation
pete_dushenski: why not just hop in saddam, throw in a radar detector (legal here ftr), and obey the traffic laws up until i arrived at my destination
pete_dushenski: (saddam = merc)
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: a novel !
pete_dushenski: two thoughts : 1) i won't postpone (any more) weddings, 2) i do love 'that ancient story'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73500 @ 0.00034585 = 25.42 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63181 @ 0.00034171 = 21.5896 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24498 @ 0.00032635 = 7.9949 BTC [-]
pete_dushenski: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 224.89, Best ask: 225.08, Bid-ask spread: 0.19000, Last trade: 225.08, 24 hour volume: 18751.17657895, 24 hour low: 222.64, 24 hour high: 229.23, 24 hour vwap: None
pete_dushenski: ;;nethash
gribble: 343170046.183
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski :p
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thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: Geldreich was a kind of GPU savant/whisperer iirc. And an advocate of Unix/Linux gaming.
thestringpuller: The amazing thing is how Microsoft's plan for DirectX segmented the market like this (inconsistent GL drivers)
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
thestringpuller: Back when consoles were still kool tho, you could at least depend on Nintendo/Sony to have a sane third party get you drivers for the machine.
thestringpuller: consistent drivers*
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williamdunne: MPwilliamdunne: danielpbarron: Not sure why she couldn't have just come on here D: <<< Nah don't think Stoya ever did :/ That message was about Indian asking DPB to get my contact details for some reason
assbot: This Lawsuit Could sink one of the hottest bitcoin companies - Fortune ... ( http://bit.ly/1KeZTZ6 )
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pete_dushenski: shinohai: heh. there's a reason they're listed on f.derp
pete_dushenski: and no amount of moving to switzerland can save them
shinohai: They have obnoxious ads everywhere offering 20k satoshi to sign up. wtf is that shit.
pete_dushenski: it's usual dangle-bait shit for shartups with moar capital than brains
williamdunne hasn't yet been subjected to obnoxious ads, except from Gem and *shudders* QuadrigaCX
shinohai: That's not even good dangle-bait.
pete_dushenski: no different than uber doing 'free' pick-ups for goodwill donations from people's houses
pete_dushenski: williamdunne: ya, qcx is everywhere. annoyingly.
williamdunne: I haven't seen it in maybe a week but for months I couldn't touch a video without having that stupid voice telling me I should use a Canadian exchange
williamdunne: WHY THE FUCK WOULD I DO THAT
williamdunne: Nearly as derpy as the exchange bragging about FATCA compliance
assbot: Hacked federal personnel files could turn employees into foreign spies ... ( http://bit.ly/1H8StFP )
trinque: delusional bastards
pete_dushenski: ha, gee golly those sure are some pretty graphics.
pete_dushenski: nothing to hide there !
pete_dushenski: because it's too hard to 'incentive' security without making it shiny
pete_dushenski: i swear this is a french thing
pete_dushenski: or at least i saw more of these 'shiny incentives' in the french part of switzerland than the german part
pete_dushenski: german part : spotless, not signs telling citizens to pick up trash, people just behave themselves
trinque: interesting
trinque: the only useful part of that screen is the log, and they gave it what, 5-10% of the real estate
pete_dushenski: french part : not so spotless (though hardly "dirty") with plenty of "fun" marketing ploys to encourage "right" behaviour
pete_dushenski: trinque: that 5-10% is important for actually working, but the other 90-95% is better at making it *look* like you're working
pete_dushenski: on something quite important and hollywood-esque, no less
trinque: sure, the other part gets fireeye paid
trinque: I think in the absence of any actual history, this is what americans do: imitate (their own terrible) film
trinque: it's just like the guys hunting Jack Bauer or whatever
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asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://cryptome.org/2015/06/dia-mil-spy-papers.htm << mega-l0l
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assbot: Welcome | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1H8V1nr )
assbot: Welcome | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1H8V4zz )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
trinque: if I find the time I may compile a recent history of the chinese kicking our asses
trinque: I bet the chinese version of that screen does what it's supposed to, at a bare minimum
asciilifeform: http://cryptome.org/2015/06/cyber-spy-nyt-15-0604.pdf << latest usg mega-l0l. massive and very tedious slide deck of pseudolegalisms
pete_dushenski: "PRISM is one of the most valuable, unique, and productive accesses for NSA – don’t miss out on your targets."
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assbot: The strange case of the unentropic entropy and other bedtime stories of primes and people. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1H8Xpuk )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: afaik the distribution of factors in random large N is an open problem
mircea_popescu: ok, but seems to me the proposition that "if you pick a random number, the odds of it being divisible by 17 are 1 in 17" is fairly uncontroversial.
pete_dushenski: "the TIC and NETWORZ consolidation initiative is behind schedule and unlikely to achieve its goal of delivering less than 100 connections either in short- or mid-term timeframes." << not saying this is an easy task, but holy shit does the manhattan project *feel* like it was 3 generations ago. what goals can usg hope to accomplish these days, other than writing more pieces of paper and making more pp slides ?
mircea_popescu: seeing how every 17th number etc.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski myeah.
pete_dushenski: every single last one of the 'initiatives' outlined in that document are under-funded, poorly specified, and behind schedule
pete_dushenski: unless the initiative was just a 'plan'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: also looks like you did the 'magic' and non-magic keys together
mircea_popescu: so i did.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: we might have a case of the proverbial 'randomly wired neural network, close your eyes and the room is dark' on our hands. these N were not crapped our by dice, but are permuted versions of properly-generated N. and could have interesting mathematical properties
mircea_popescu: kinda what im inching towards : the plain observation that the odds for this situation so far look like ~1% is something
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-06-2015#1155219 << i have nfi when or how xapo got to be "one of the hottest". it's not even clear it ever existed.
assbot: Logged on 05-06-2015 15:10:32; shinohai: LOL Xapo http://fortune.com/2015/06/04/xapo-lawsuit-fraud/
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scoopbot_revived: The strange case of the unentropic entropy and other bedtime stories of primes and people. http://trilema.com/2015/the-strange-case-of-the-unentropic-entropy-and-other-bedtime-stories-of-primes-and-people/
mircea_popescu: !rated wences
assbot: wences is not registered in WoT.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what's noteworthy in either those cryptome links ?
mircea_popescu: "If you live in an expensive city and are acquainted with families collecting welfare the book confirms what you might have noticed, i.e., that it would be irrational for the adults in the family to enter the workforce. Here in Cambridge, Massachusetts, for example, the welfare families that I have spent the most time with occupy apartments with a market rent of about $4,500 per month ($54,000 per year in post-tax inco
mircea_popescu: me) in a building with a swimming pool, two gyms, and a variety of other luxurious facilities. Their health care is free through some combination of Medicaid, Obamacare, and a city-run health system. Their food is mostly free through food stamps. They can get cash from TANF and some similar programs. They would need to earn at least $160,000 per year pre-tax to obtain the same standard of living at market prices. Howev
mircea_popescu: er, even if someone were to offer the adults in the family a $160,000 per year job it would not be rational for them to accept it. If they were ever to lose that job it would take many years of paperwork, bureaucracy, and waiting lists to get back to their current welfare lifestyle."
mircea_popescu: spend more than it costs to run an african/southeast asian village for an entire year to keep a couple tards and their ill behaved, poorly brought up, genetically deffective offspring on reddit.
mircea_popescu: and this is supposed to be sustainable or something ?
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pete_dushenski: to quote myself : "So let me get this straight, “sustainable” doesn’t mean “long-lasting, likely to perpetuate, and likely to lead to the fullness of human flourishing” so much as “designed to give idiots resources without also teaching them how to think well enough to distribute said resources with a view towards the long-term.”"
mircea_popescu: guess so.
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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what's noteworthy... << the sheer lameness of the dissertation titles
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as for the 2nd, the idiot flailing re: 'cyber attack'
asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> spend more than it costs to run an african/southeast asian village... << it is not clear to me that this is so. they aren't being given actual solid money, note. they are given bezzlars, most of which come back to the loop immediately
asciilifeform: the 160k 'can't buy turkeys'
asciilifeform: or crates of kalash
assbot: Bill Nye: The Universe Will Provide (NSFW) | The Big Picture ... ( http://bit.ly/1GcTDPP )
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pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: lols
pete_dushenski: pretty much just same old idiots running around using larger-than-life forces to explain their existences
pete_dushenski: s/universe/god
pete_dushenski: just the secular scientistic use of the same term
pete_dushenski: without any of the "i'll put it in god's hands" or "god only knows" deference, sadly
pete_dushenski: "Nye was born on November 27, 1955, in Washington, D.C., to Jacqueline (née Jenkins; 1921–2000), a codebreaker during World War II, and Edwin Darby "Ned" Nye (1917–97), also a World War II veteran, whose experience without electricity in a Japanese prisoner of war camp led him to become a sundial enthusiast."
pete_dushenski: asketh of retardopedia for lulz, and lulz ye shall receive.
pete_dushenski: "i know, let's let anyone who wants to edit articles have admin privileges because wanting is the only barrier to entry our society has !"
trinque: ben_vulpes: heh that one had me roaring
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thestringpuller: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 359550 | Current Difficulty: 4.758959115362501E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 360863 | Next Difficulty In: 1313 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 22 hours, 22 minutes, and 2 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 47141564727.5 | Estimated Percent Change: -0.94144
thestringpuller: !t h b.mine
assbot: [HAVELOCK:B.MINE] 1D: 0.20500000 / 0.2054 / 0.20550000 (10 shares, 2.05399999 BTC), 7D: 0.20500000 / 0.2054 / 0.20550000 (10 shares, 2.05399999 BTC), 30D: 0.00005214 / 0.00030791 / 0.20550000 (368178 shares, 113.36474897 BTC)
thestringpuller: !t h b.sell
assbot: [HAVELOCK:B.SELL] 1D: 0.07000000 / 0.08499999 / 0.09999998 (2 shares, 0.16999998 BTC), 7D: 0.07000000 / 0.08499999 / 0.09999998 (2 shares, 0.16999998 BTC), 30D: 0.00000001 / 1.77E-6 / 0.09999998 (374724 shares, 0.66177717 BTC)
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thestringpuller: asciilifeform: is there a non-derp version of this: http://www.wired.com/2014/12/hacker-lexicon-air-gap/ << i.e. an extension of the trilema air-gap article.
thestringpuller: the trilema article on practical airgapping is a good start, but a "read more"
mike_c: "But many companies insist that a network or system is sufficiently air-gapped even if it is only separated from other computers or networks by a software firewall." << uh, not that one.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell williamdunne btw, were you going to put bitbet bets in scoopbot ?
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well obviously. but the problem for hypocrites is : i may at may lesure discuss their affairs in either the nominal terms they put forth or the actual realty involved, and randomly equate one branch with another at any point i feel like.
mircea_popescu: the untenability of their position is aka the liar's curse.
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mircea_popescu: !up nocturne
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes from ritholz site : "Please use the comments to demonstrate your own ignorance, unfamiliarity with empirical data and lack of respect for scientific knowledge. Be sure to create straw men and argue against things I have neither said nor implied. If you could repeat previously discredited memes or steer the conversation into irrelevant, off topic discussions, it would be appreciated. Lastly, kindly forgo all
mircea_popescu: civility in your discourse . . . you are, after all, anonymous.
mircea_popescu: Leave a Reply You must be logged in to post a comment."
mircea_popescu: irony crits for some k's.
ben_vulpes: he's funny from time to time
mircea_popescu: i seem to recall the same thing
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mircea_popescu: "Assuming, as economists usually do in aggregate analysis, that capital enhances the productivity of labor, and labor enhances the productivity of capital, then the efficient reaction to less labor is to have less capital. Investment is the rate of change of the capital stock, so even small reductions in the capital stock may be achieved by large investment reductions for a short period of time. For this reason, invest
mircea_popescu: ment is expected to decline by a much greater percentage than consumption in the short term, and by the same percentage in the long term. In this view, the investment decline is entirely a reaction to the labor market, and not a cause of the low rates of labor usage."
mircea_popescu: aka, some countries are just not worth bothering with. the country of africa, the country of north america chief on the list.
chetty: !up Smallish
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assbot: A new engine for my boat | Indiegogo Life ... ( http://bit.ly/1FCfHPi )
mircea_popescu: is that thing covered in ejaculate ?
mod6: hahaha
mod6: look how rusted the rocker arms are
mircea_popescu: in any case, 150 bucks, almost a full bitcoin. and he didn't even have to shove it up his ass.
BingoBoingo: <pete_dushenski> ;;later tell cazalla "sum" of money, not "some" in your last article. << fixed
mircea_popescu: "[Personal experience: I have taken on a recent high school grad (friend’s son) as an intern in my web development business. He was an above-average student in a Harvard University intro CS class and also completed AP Computer Science in high school plus an additional programming class. His current productivity is about 1/100th of a $25/hour Ukrainian or Filipino contract programmer so any wage+benefit package above
mircea_popescu: 25 cents per hour would be above the market-clearing price. Yet he can never reach the productivity of the foreign contractors unless he can get substantial work experience.]"
mircea_popescu: this matches my experience. the average english speaking "civilised world" young adult can pull on his own something between a dime and a quarter per hour's worth.
mircea_popescu: this doesn't actually cover the cost of maintaining the infrastructure he needs.
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ben_vulpes: link, mircea_popescu ?
mircea_popescu: One of the biggest surprises in the book is the importance of federal mortgage loan forgiveness: “This chapter shows how all of these outcomes, and more, may be a direct result of stark incentives created by the FDIC and HAMP programs (hereafter jointly referenced as FH) and their practice of targeting the ratio of housing expenses to borrower income. The FH programs offer modifications on the basis of borrower incom
mircea_popescu: e reported to the United States Internal Revenue Service. The first section of the chapter shows how the programs resemble government safety net programs, except that the marginal income tax rates from mortgage modification far exceed 100 percent in some instances.” It turned out that a person’s mortgage payments would be reduced by $1.31 for every $1 fall in income. In other words a lower-income American with a mo
mircea_popescu: rtgage would have more spending power by working fewer hours and/or quitting altogether. Mulligan also notes that as the program was unfavorable to lenders they had a huge incentive to “promote borrower confusion and uncertainty about the disposition of their modification application.” (i.e., the bureaucratic run-around might not have been accidental!)
assbot: Philip Greenspun's Weblog » Book Review: The Redistribution Recession ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gd6Hom )
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84121 @ 0.00035438 = 29.8108 BTC [+]
assbot: Chinese Exchanges Reject Gavin Andresen’s 20 MB Block Size Increase ... ( http://bit.ly/1HQDIDC )
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thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: the commentary on reddit is bottom of the barrel.
BingoBoingo: Yeah, but too be expected
davout: thestringpuller: good one indeed
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3083 @ 0.00034933 = 1.077 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: awww the butthurt.
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mircea_popescu: http://www.fredoneverything.net/Commentators.shtml << dude i'm so fucking sick of this inept egalitatianism.
mircea_popescu: the point isn't that smart people are somehow misguidedly imagining that everyone's smart like them.
mircea_popescu: the point is that people who aren't like them have no fucking business here.
chetty: and I thought wasmostly dumb people imaging everyone else was too
mircea_popescu: that's common enough.
mircea_popescu: but specifically dregs like
mircea_popescu: "I often see victims of Commentator’s Disease arguing against the minimum wage on abstract grounds of economic theory. It is what commentators do—bandy abstractions, railing for or against Keynes, assaulting their ideological opponents with pointed phrases. They have never had to do the arithmetic of forty times the minimum wage minus taxes minus bus fare minus rent and gotta pay the cable because it is the only th
mircea_popescu: ing they have after work. They have never had to choose between the electric bill and a new coat as winter comes on."
mircea_popescu: dude... who the fuck said x SHOULDNT have to choose between electricity and a coat.
mircea_popescu: this is what fucking economy is. choice.
mircea_popescu: and yes, people don't get all they want, and the stupid don't get "basics" whereas the smart don't get "unimportant stuff".
mircea_popescu: this has more to do with the fact that ipso definitio the preoccupations of the stupid will be banal. they don't have what with to miss things above a coat.
mircea_popescu: if we're in weepathon mode, how about for every coat some poor kid borne by stupid parents never got,
mircea_popescu: we count the fifty billion complex mechanical dragonflies rich kids borne by smart parents never got.
jurov: http://www.explo.yt/eulora/Eulora-June12015-win32.7z anyone wanna try it? i should have borrowed alf's ascii art, tho :D
chetty: well simple fact is raising the min wage isnt going to get that coat anyway, so its a silly argument
mircea_popescu: i have to choose between fixing X software and Y policy. because the idiots that came before me have made NOT ONE RIGHT THING.
mircea_popescu: not one.
mircea_popescu: nothing's correctly made.
mircea_popescu: jurov has to choose between taking 3 gb out of the 4gb binary or fixing email.
jurov: sha256sum: 4a62082679875681654a7f4fd5844f5f33bff7a6cbc3ca0c8cefe4a85a8a066f Eulora-June12015-win32.7z
jurov: 500M in the end
mircea_popescu: fucking hell, poor idiots and their coats, i hope they never see a coat again and live in antarctica for the rest of their dais.
mircea_popescu: chetty sure, but whatr insults me here is the pretense that somehow the feelings of the bovine are more important inasmuch as they;re mostly absent.
mircea_popescu: fuck that.
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jurov: whet email is broken?
jurov: *what
mircea_popescu: all email is broken.
jurov: everyday snafu
mircea_popescu: jurov 500mb is not too bad considering the sourceball is like 160mb
jurov: fortunately almost all crud was in src/ out/ and mk/ dirs
jurov: now, if someone can lend me osx machine...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 213700 @ 0.00035813 = 76.5324 BTC [+] {3}
chetty: jurov is the magic man, well doneand thank you
jurov: i'm still waiting for independent confirmation
mircea_popescu: jurov plox make a post on exployt so i can reference it in the future etc ?
jurov: about the release?
mircea_popescu: if you need bw support i can host the file on eulora server
jurov: yes, if it works, pls host it there
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 112600 @ 0.00035881 = 40.402 BTC [+] {2}
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: do we just post here for a login?
mircea_popescu: basically.
thestringpuller: what do you need to make one?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93100 @ 0.00035944 = 33.4639 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: i need you to stop trying to go around things as if you're going to maintain some sort of control over the process or something. what all the periphrase and metaconsiderations ? you've seen a dozen people get one through saying the magic words "gimme one" or somesuch.
mircea_popescu: do the same, not likely ot kill ya.
mike_c: jurov: is that a debug build?
jurov: yes
mike_c: wouldn't run because missing msvcp100d.dll, the debug version of that library.
mircea_popescu: jurov wouldn't it make sense to just strip the symbols and etc for a release ?
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: lets go with "Damien Wayne"
jurov: ^ mircea_popescu your url.
jurov: but ofc it will need to be updated
mike_c: won't it likely also run quite slowly? is it tough to get release building?
jurov: it ran fine here
mike_c: you have the debug VC redistributable file :)
jurov: no i mean the speed
mike_c: ah
assbot: dpaste: 19CPJP7 ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ha7EP2 )
mircea_popescu: (you pick your own name in game)
mircea_popescu: jurov danke
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84200 @ 0.00036001 = 30.3128 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: in other news, stuff that'll get cazalla sent to prison : http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbf37krn4p1qkw0kjo1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell bingoboingo "The dangers of trapping has"
gribble: The operation succeeded.
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cazalla: mircea_popescu, i think it's only illegal if she was urinating on another
shinohai: http://bit.ly/1Ha8b3w <<< the fount or reddit's knowledge
mike_c: I feel so close yet so far :) jurov: do you think you can crank out a release version or should I hunt down a debug version of the VC libraries?
jurov: mike_c i don't know, try with the debug version
kuzetsa: this new !verify thing was unexpected, but not too hard to figure out
mircea_popescu: cazalla oh i c
mircea_popescu: kuzetsa you here for the eulora ? :D
cazalla: speaking of eulora, binaries avail yet?
trinque: what's australia now, alabama of the sea?
mircea_popescu: yes jurov just made a windows thing
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cazalla: in logs? (still catching up)
jurov: ..that doesn't work outside msvc10 yet
mircea_popescu: cazalla apparently it doesn't work 100% yet but hey, won't be long nao
kuzetsa: no, I play everquest, minecraft, kerbal space program, and various game APKs on my android device but nothing about eulora looks interesting to me :(
kuzetsa: not my cup of tea
cazalla: kuzetsa, p99?
kuzetsa: no, proper everquest (even though it's now run by daybreak games ever since the sony online entertainment studio had all the rights sold)
cazalla: yeah, i heard about that, my bet is eqn gets shitcanned too
cazalla: best mmorpg evar, but i can't imagine playing eq post velious tbh
kuzetsa: loosing out on whatever EQN supposedly brought with it isn't anything I'll miss (hell, I was never invested into such things enough to even know what it is)
kuzetsa: I'm pretty sure AAs were pre-velious
kuzetsa: I've got a non-zero amount of AAs on my main
cazalla: AAs came with PoP
cazalla: actually might've been luclin
kuzetsa: I've gotta admit, I never paid attention to the timeline enough to know if planes of power / luclin / velious / etc. etc. etc. came before or after <other expansion>
cazalla: kunark, velious, luclin, planes of power, frog xpac which was the first dlc (when i quit)
kuzetsa: nod
cazalla: i spent 16 hours a day playing that shit for years so..
kuzetsa: I did that on starwars galaxies
cazalla: never played it but i have read that it was great prior to some big patch
kuzetsa: I started with everquest, but once that came out SWG became my main MMO for 7 years but then they shut it down a while ago so I dunno
kuzetsa: I miss it, and that "old republic" MMO is rubbish and almost none of my friends from SWG liked it and neither did I lol
cazalla: i still have my old eq boxes with the keith parkinson artwork, wouldn't mind getting some of his long ago signed pieces http://www.keithparkinson.com/images/sov.jpg but can't really spring for it at this point
cazalla: for the money spent on it, swtor was utter shit
kuzetsa: lol yeah
kuzetsa: too much work on game engine design and not enough development into the worldbuidling, gameplay, and storyline
kuzetsa: it's nothing like SWG
cazalla: kuzetsa, i didn't even reach the level cap in swtor, it was basically an inferior WoW with voice overs
kuzetsa: heh
jurov: mike_c there? looks like i have nondebug build
danielpbarron: !up referredbyloper_
jurov: mike_c or anyone else who has downloaded the win32 package: unpack this in C:\Eulora\June2015\Eulora
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50687 @ 0.00034781 = 17.6294 BTC [-] {2}
jurov: (only binaries, 11MB)
trinque: jurov: prolly good to post a hash of teh thing
jurov: sha256sum 7f02d5a9e0d42422a82b28e1a08ee3765798e75e604082fddac9164def6c4f7a Eulora-June12015-win32nondebug.7z
jurov: thx trinque
trinque: sweet
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Yes, and possibly the curated porn list. I've been busy this week on a rescue mission
mircea_popescu: kitens ?
williamdunne: Gay disabled blind orphan paraplegic puppies
trinque: reminds me of some old flash game from the 90s that involved an amputee dog
williamdunne: >flash
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: newz!
asciilifeform: 1) phuctor now has 'download this key' link
trinque: williamdunne: 90s were all about flash mang
williamdunne: While its not 90s, for me it was always Runescape
asciilifeform: 2) http://nosuchlabs.com/rss but not sure if this can be used in battlefield, because - guess what - werker never marked dates of phuctoring, and hence db schema never had a place for this. ergo the only dates we have are of -date submitted-
asciilifeform: presently the rss link displays last 10 (in order added to db in first place, rather than order-of-phuctoring)
asciilifeform: the whole thing -will- have to be re-written...
asciilifeform fucking hates www programming and anything even remotely connected
jurov: asciilifeform wd!
trinque: even hunchentoot?
asciilifeform: well not quite wd
asciilifeform: see above
asciilifeform: trinque: even hunchentoot. the www stack is fundamentally retarded
trinque: can't argue with that
jurov: like my windows binaries. *shrug*
jurov: is anyone trying them? if not' i'm supposed to wake up tmrw
jurov: and sleep before that
trinque: jurov: I have no windoze box to test with, but will be derping with gentoo 64 tomorrow
williamdunne: I'll have a shot with Windoze tomorrow
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80650 @ 0.00035661 = 28.7606 BTC [+]
cazalla: mircea_popescu, please to provide me with a login/pass for eulora
cazalla: jurov, i'll give your windows binaries a whirl in a moment
cazalla: crystalspace3d.org is slow as fuck to get cs-win32libs-2.1_003.exe from btw
shinohai: ty asciilifeform for the rss feed, as now I can search easily from my irc client :D
asciilifeform: shinohai: it may or may not be usable, please read disclaimer
asciilifeform: the reason i cannot say for certain, is that i have very little idea of what a typical rss -reader- does with the timestamp
asciilifeform: and can't presently be arsed to research it
kakobrekla: hence rss suicide joke.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: ?
kakobrekla: i thought it was in the bash somewhere
funkenstein_: greets - I'm curious what all y'all have to say about moxie's review of gpg
funkenstein_: http://www.thoughtcrime.org/blog/gpg-and-me/
assbot: Moxie Marlinspike >> Blog >> GPG And Me ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hambua )
kakobrekla: anyway, the idea was that Aaron Swartz made suicide precisely because of RSS
asciilifeform: !s marlinspike
assbot: 12 results for 'marlinspike' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=marlinspike
asciilifeform: funkenstein_ ^
funkenstein_: ah thanks... *runs to catch up*
asciilifeform: funkenstein_: short version - mr m is a usg shill
funkenstein_: :o
trinque: til he picked that name on purpose
assbot: Logged on 12-01-2015 23:56:21; kakobrekla: whoever responsible for rss should commit suicide.
asciilifeform: trinque: it's a navalism, like 'mark twain'
funkenstein_: maybe he saw the future of reddit
trinque: asciilifeform: yep, sounded like hippie parents to me
asciilifeform: and naggum then perhaps performed seppuku to atone for xml
mircea_popescu: motherfucker NOTHING WORKS
mircea_popescu: open source is an open invitation to waste your life debugging stupid shti
mircea_popescu: 19:42:04Error:Connection timed out.
mircea_popescu: is pureftpd up and listening oin port ? yes.
mircea_popescu: is port open in firewall ? yes.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: passive mode ?
mircea_popescu: and what am i to do, go rebuild apache or install alsa or what the fucking shit already
asciilifeform: ftp by default on many systems expects an idiot back-connect
asciilifeform: on random (yes) port
mircea_popescu: forcing passive doesn't do anything
asciilifeform: would have to sniff packets on both sides and see where, if anywhere, they went. alternatively, set fire to it
trinque: dwarf fortress tends to come to mind there
trinque: you could learn how to play, and it might end up being fun, but wtf bother
mircea_popescu: yes, because that's what i'm going to do with my time, sniff motherfucking packlets.
jurov: cazalla, i got it fine quickly from cs
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: see also earlier (20 min or so) thread re: rss
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 160449 @ 0.00036022 = 57.7969 BTC [+] {3}
jurov: also, added its sum to http://explo.yt/post/2015/06/05/Eulora-for-Windows . looks like they don't publish the checksums at all
assbot: Eulora for Windows - serialized delusions ... ( http://bit.ly/1RQUOIQ )
jurov: ^ temporary instructions there,
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8545 @ 0.00035939 = 3.071 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: in other nyooz,
assbot: Welcome | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1RQV62f )
asciilifeform: ^ non-'magic'
asciilifeform: factors 3, 7, 11, 23
cazalla: jurov, any idea what this is on the cs-winlibs install? can't find C:\Program Files (x86)\MSYS\msys\1.0\etc\profile when installing MSYS integration settings
asciilifeform: https://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?search=line%40home.com&op=index << and, as always, somebody 'helpfully' uploaded it 'on top of' this fella's genuine key
assbot: Search results for 'line home com' ... ( http://bit.ly/1HaoEVx )
jurov: you don't have msys, nor vs, that can be safely cancelled
jurov: cazalla ^
cazalla: hmm no go, missing MSVCP100D.dll
jurov: damn
asciilifeform: hm, 'line home com' has -two identical- keys, uploaded on same date, bitwise same
assbot: Download Microsoft Visual C++ 2010 Redistributable Package (x86) from Official Microsoft Download Center ... ( http://bit.ly/1RQWdPF )
asciilifeform: so no sample of undiddled modulus for this key is known.
cazalla: jurov, just did, same error
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is the second or perhaps third instance thus far that i have found so far of someone who -will- be spoken to using phucked key if anyone ever bothers to speak to him
asciilifeform: aaand we are now at precisely 40 phucked moduli.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform line@home ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15850 @ 0.00035398 = 5.6106 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: cazalla coming up
assbot: dpaste: 3A2ZYVP ... ( http://bit.ly/1Haqe9I )
mircea_popescu: <cazalla> crystalspace3d.org is slow as fuck to get cs-win32libs-2.1_003.exe from btw << link ? jurov can then mirror it along with everything else.
cazalla: jurov problem with what i'm doing or the client? not sure what else i can do here now
mircea_popescu: for the record, my ftp problem was that someone had the bright idea of allowing port 21, but not port 20.
mircea_popescu: needless to say...
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: earlier link to freshly phucked key
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: can the rss thing be made to work as expected in the form of a #b-a bot ? or too b0rk3d
jurov: asciilifeform: you mean bot reading rss feed? we have that.
williamdunne: Scoopbot can read any RSS or atom feed
kakobrekla: as far as i can tell dates are incorrect but the order is correct in your feed ? thats workable. perhaps scoop can cover it. i can too.
asciilifeform: williamdunne: the dates are entirely unusable. see thread
asciilifeform: i recall that mircea_popescu asked for a real-time phuctor ticker.
asciilifeform: hence why i attempted it
kakobrekla: williamdunne be my guest!
williamdunne: asciilifeform: Dates aren't involved in Scoop's processes
williamdunne: Thoroughly ignored by him.
williamdunne: Uses a persisted Map of URLs to objects. Messages when he sees a new one
asciilifeform: what determines 'new' ?
williamdunne: Whether or not the URL is in the map
asciilifeform: and stores forever ?
williamdunne: Persisted, yes
asciilifeform: thing is, it is actually possible for the same phuctor url to be new twice.
asciilifeform: rss provided no sane way to handle this.
williamdunne: In this case I may have to make a custom set of rules for Phuctor
williamdunne: This is not a problem, so long as something changes between first seen and the update
williamdunne: (title, ideally)
asciilifeform: it is entirely possible for same key to be 'new' twice in succession.
williamdunne: Within how long of each other?
asciilifeform: immediately.
williamdunne: Well then why does this matter? Scoop shares it once and you see both
asciilifeform: it doesn't matter. just pointing out that the thing follows literally none of the prescribed assumptions
asciilifeform: wouldn't want scoopbot to choke on it
williamdunne: Fair enough, think he'll do fine. Fits in quite well with his existing logic
assbot: luke-jr comments on Call me inconsiderate, but THIS is why I don't take Luke-Jr seriously: He lost the majority of his coins on Mt. Gox when there were signs FOR MONTHS to NOT keep coins there. He lacks the ability to properly gauge situations and look into the future. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jxr94n )
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> thing is, it is actually possible for the same phuctor url to be new twice. << it'll be fine im sure.
asciilifeform: was just pointing out the braindamage of the whole concept of rss
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78850 @ 0.00035104 = 27.6795 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: (and this is entirely aside from the idiocy of how servers get polled continuously, etc)
williamdunne: >just using it for safekeeping
williamdunne: RSS is silly
williamdunne: With Scoop I worked out a structure that fixes some of the issues
williamdunne: i.e Dates
williamdunne: Re: polling, what would you suggest as the alternative? Websockets?
asciilifeform: williamdunne: no
asciilifeform: williamdunne: a proper internet
asciilifeform: as in, we take everything post-1990 or so and shoot it. then start over.
williamdunne: I'll get working on it on Monday
williamdunne: Anyhow, what in particular is wrong with it? While there is a host of derpy technologies I'm quite fond of some things - like WebSockets
asciilifeform: williamdunne: fundamentally - the idiot polling
asciilifeform: all else follows from this.
williamdunne: Isn't that the point of WebSockets, getting rid of derpy polling?
williamdunne: No moar ajax polling
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34271 @ 0.00034316 = 11.7604 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51129 @ 0.00034012 = 17.39 BTC [-] {2}
williamdunne: How does one go about securing a Eurola account?
cazalla: and a long and drawn out process
mircea_popescu: secureing from what ?
williamdunne: Acquiring, in other words
williamdunne: Registering
mircea_popescu: ah, ima get you one, a sec.
cazalla: williamdunne cut the foreplay and just ask
williamdunne: cazalla: foreplay is half the fun
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Thanks MP
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 124000 @ 0.00033561 = 41.6156 BTC [-]
assbot: dpaste: 23J9SCM ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jt8qZb )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63650 @ 0.00033561 = 21.3616 BTC [-]
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Correct
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28350 @ 0.00034392 = 9.7501 BTC [+] {2}
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Oh wait I take it back, thats me derping. Message comes up blank
asciilifeform just woke up to the fact that he was a fool when originally wrote phuctor. a phuctored modulus must fragment into factors, each of which is in turn subject to all future attempts at phuctoring
asciilifeform: (if composite per rabin-miller)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu ^^^^^^
asciilifeform: as it is, the gigantic turds yielded by the current gcd finds will not break apart
asciilifeform: the mechanics of a correct phuctor are, roughly: thing keeps track of keys, rsa moduli within, as existing phuctor does; but instead of flagging 'phuctored' moduli, we keep table of known factors (associated with respective unknowns, which, in turn, may be yet-unphuctored moduli -or- fragments previously created by successful phuctorings)
asciilifeform: likewise, each unknown is stamped with a date of last gcd-ing, as well as sha512 of the mass product at the time this was done.
asciilifeform wanders off to contemplate this
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 161000 @ 0.00035452 = 57.0777 BTC [+] {4}
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah that sounds like a good idea
decimation: it would be nice to click on '3' and call up all the moduli which are factored by '3'
decimation: williamdunne: websockets are 'tardation on top of tardation
williamdunne: What is particularly tarded about WS?
williamdunne still doesn't get it
decimation: the shortcomings of turning a fundamentally broadcast technology into a 'virtual channel'
decimation: inside of which you place another virtual channel
williamdunne: While with that description it does sound a bit tarded, in practise I've found them to work very well
decimation: sure, so do 1950's era pickups in cuba
trinque: williamdunne: on the one hand there's a superficial "did I make it do something, and did it 'work'"
trinque: and on the other there's considering the entire stack that got you to that point, and whether that made any sense
trinque: first off the thing's not a socket; iirc it throws you wads o' data piecemeal
trinque: you can't stream arbitrary binary data over it
trinque: (maybe I'm wrong? don't think so)
danielpbarron: !up DanyAlos
trinque: I mean to be specific it's a wrapper around a socket with certain assumptions on how it'll be used; it doesn't just give you a raw unix socket and say "go at it"
trinque: apparently in some newer version of the standard it has a binary streaming thing
williamdunne: Would there be any particular benefit to that in its intended usage? JSON/MsgPack/whatever all work fine with anything I can imagine being necessary on the web
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65600 @ 0.00033557 = 22.0134 BTC [-] {2}
trinque: williamdunne: what do you want to do with it?
williamdunne: Streaming basic pricing data, and submitting/receiving bets are the two I have used it for
trinque: oh, you wanted bitbet to provide a websocket?
williamdunne: Fairly simplistic stuff
williamdunne: Unrelated
trinque: ah k
trinque: so adding a bunch of persistent connections is going to increase overhead
williamdunne: But if there were best happening more than every second, sure that'd be a great feature to see
williamdunne: Overhead vs the AJAX method? I'd bet otherwise
trinque: no need to bet.
trinque: it depends on what users are doing
trinque: on the one hand, anyone with the site open in a tab is going to be a connection your server will have open
trinque: on the ajax side, you may have tons of unnecessary polling
trinque: so you would have to actually try both and see based on your own situation which is more expensive
trinque: I think nginx does pretty well handling a bunch of idle websocket connections
trinque: and can hand them off to some backend nicely
williamdunne: Very true, but anything where the data is somewhat frequent I reckon would be better off in WS
williamdunne: Yes, I was using Phoenix which handles it very well
trinque: there are other things to consider
trinque: browsers can pipeline requests through the same connection
assbot: HTTP pipelining - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1eU5Kap )
trinque: so the ajax vs ws thing may be more similar than it appears
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 144984 @ 0.00035944 = 52.113 BTC [+] {4}
trinque: "keep-alive" is the thing to look into there
williamdunne: Yeah, server send events or summin
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52650 @ 0.00036084 = 18.9982 BTC [+]
trinque: williamdunne: I don't even mean that, just that polling might not look much different load-wise from the WS doing its thing
trinque: that said I've used websockets; the whole browser's shit, subset of which WS are shit
trinque: lol
trinque: williamdunne: and to elaborate on the reason why, the browser was a nightmarish wad of complexity before WS
trinque: WS just bolt another huge attack surface to the thing
trinque: it would not blow my mind if there are session hijacking hax to be found within, so on
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82850 @ 0.00035133 = 29.1077 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66200 @ 0.00035164 = 23.2786 BTC [+] {2}
cazalla: !up referredbyloper
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15850 @ 0.00036149 = 5.7296 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39446 @ 0.00035062 = 13.8306 BTC [-]
trinque: !s referredbyloper
assbot: 25 results for 'referredbyloper' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=referredbyloper
trinque: cazalla: pretty sure that's a bot which only spams one link
cazalla: ah ok, i assumed it might be someone coming here from asciilifeform's site in the same manner qntra directs people here
trinque: yep guy's clearly trying to make it look so
referredbyloper: hey no, i'm not spam bot :D
referredbyloper: just don't want to go through reg and things
referredbyloper: trading most of the day, an find this channel realy amusing
trinque: referredbyloper: well good; you weren't showing any signs of life!
trinque: and how long does it take to register anywya
cazalla: referredbyloper, you think i'm funny, i amuse you?
referredbyloper: yes, drunken bitching about bad marriage and things
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30100 @ 0.00034811 = 10.4781 BTC [-] {2}
trinque: brutal
trinque: referredbyloper: register so he can negrate you
cazalla: lol harsh
asciilifeform: (williamdunne? was there a scoopbot thing under testing?)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 133900 @ 0.00034989 = 46.8503 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: 7 Bitcoin Leaders Speak Up On Bitcoin Block Size Debate ... ( http://bit.ly/1IqXSd6 )
cazalla: who's that at #4 heh
asciilifeform astonished
punkman: good ol' justus
punkman: "Justus Ranvier has one of the more interesting opinions on the bitcoin blockchain that doesn’t seem to get much attention. In his view, there is no need for the block size limit to exist at all."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80900 @ 0.00034374 = 27.8086 BTC [-] {2}
punkman: !up The20YearIRCloud
punkman: !up WolfGoethe
The20YearIRCloud: howdy punkman
WolfGoethe: some fool locking up my coins with bogus trades. what fool wants to deposit cash to the bank... at midnight???
punkman: lolwut
The20YearIRCloud: sounds like pure fun
The20YearIRCloud: So I miss anything interesting or fun with mpex in the past 2-3 months?
punkman: account opening fee is now 50btc
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41950 @ 0.00036169 = 15.1729 BTC [+]
The20YearIRCloud: Interesting
The20YearIRCloud: Quite a bit more than the title 4 exchanges I've been talking to in the US
decimation: title 4 exchanges?
The20YearIRCloud: Yeah , crowdexchanges here in the US now that the SEC has finally got off their butt and allowed small companies to list on new exchanges.
The20YearIRCloud: Exchanges with less regulation an requirements (mostly) than even OTC
The20YearIRCloud: Granted, i guess if you wanted a $10k+ threshhold it'd make sense to up it to 50btc due to all the recent slides
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