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cazalla: qntra down for anyone else? ddos back eh?
punkman: down for me
bad_duck: it loads in like.. 30 secs here
bad_duck: last news: "Foundation Report Brings Bitcoin Client Performance Improvement and Testing" (June 1)
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cazalla: sounds fair to me lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42239 @ 0.00031677 = 13.38 BTC [-]
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-06-2015#1150200 <<< how'd you get it running on ubuntu? please to be sharing or post a guide for windows gamer like myself
assbot: Logged on 01-06-2015 21:05:33; mike_c: jurov: not to be an ass since you just took the job, but do you have an idea for ballpark on binaries? my ubuntu box has trouble running eulora due to gfx card issues.. just wondering if it's days, weeks, or months.
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davout: ;;later tell GAit ty!
gribble: The operation succeeded.
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nubbins`: mircea_popescu, your outstanding shipping bill is $70 and i still have a box of NSA tees taking up space in my studio
nubbins`: given that the outstanding debt and the box of tees are 18 months old and 20 months old, respectively, i think it's time we settle up
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28300 @ 0.00033233 = 9.4049 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [BTR] 5855 @ 0.00111 = 6.4991 BTC
nubbins`: lel @ BTR
nubbins`: they announced the ipo 30 minutes prior
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11412 @ 0.00032677 = 3.7291 BTC [-]
cazalla: is that risto reptiles thing nubbins` ?
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punkman: "bitcoins are property so we can barter for startup equite with them without being accredited investors"
cazalla: the barter ocf mentions a "Pietila Group" so i guess it might be him
punkman: such spellcheck
cazalla: not just spelling.. check out those custom made barter ocf t-shirts! http://i.imgur.com/byt16Te.png
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copypaste: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/cutekittens/tittylick.php is taking quite a long time to respond, longer than my timeout
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19935 @ 0.00033233 = 6.625 BTC [+]
gribble: The operation succeeded.
jurov: copypaste: trilema is ddos'd
copypaste: Oh, okay then
copypaste: https://8ch.net/proxy.php?csurl=http://trilema.com/cutekittens/tittylick.php will display an error of "Ad failed to load, ad server probably down." if it takes longer than 7 seconds for a reply
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50665 @ 0.00033743 = 17.0959 BTC [+] {2}
copypaste: I was just making him aware, because it is working sometimes.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31771 @ 0.00032915 = 10.4574 BTC [-]
jurov: yes i can confirm trilema loads in ~ 7s here
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11929 @ 0.00032677 = 3.898 BTC [-]
jurov: dunno how that could be easily fixed. since mircea recoiled in horror from the "proxied php" setup, he can't easily split tittylick.php into other process with higher priority
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69750 @ 0.00033756 = 23.5448 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: copypaste heh yeah, there's some kid figures himself hot stuff
mircea_popescu: buys a little ddos now and again when his allowance allows.
deedbot-: Bad URL or network outage.
jurov: deedbot doesn't do html
mircea_popescu: aha yeah. ima fix it in a sec
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26800 @ 0.00033128 = 8.8783 BTC [-] {2}
jurov: i spent hours roaming the landscape and searching for anything to pick up.. not very impressive first impression
mircea_popescu: you gotta explore jurov
mircea_popescu: as in /explore
jurov: it says i don't have skill for that
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19700 @ 0.00033756 = 6.6499 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ah, there's an item hidden around that gives the skill for that
jurov: lol
mircea_popescu: too well hidden huh ? :D
jurov: i keep finding only chicken scribbles and mysterious stones
jurov: and other kinds of stones
mircea_popescu: there's another one :D
jurov: where? underwater?
chetty: just checked the db to be sure, there are indeed another item out there...but I suppose I should go actually look
mircea_popescu: nah, overland
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24600 @ 0.00032677 = 8.0385 BTC [-]
jurov: another mysterious rock.. i give up, will exchange for whatever exploring skill
jurov: if that item is supposed to be ceramic, maybe i don't see it
jurov: crystalspace.maploader.parse.image:
jurov: Could not open image file 'ceramic_dds' on VFS!
BingoBoingo: jurov: Interested in reviewing the Eulora beta for qntra?
jurov: i'd prefer not to. i want it to succeed.
jurov: i'd be like "everyone keeps telling me to /explore but i could not find in 3 hours the item that enables it"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42600 @ 0.00033787 = 14.3933 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: !up pete_dushenski
mircea_popescu: jurov reports are in : the item's there alright.
mircea_popescu: before you find it, you can still craft
mircea_popescu: but you'll have to buy shiot from merchant to get you started
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pete_dushenski is home again.
pete_dushenski: thanks be to all who !up'd me while away !
mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/0FW45QS << the involved ips, if anyone cares.
williamdunne: Involved in testing Eurola?
mircea_popescu: involved in ddosing mah server earlier
mircea_popescu: what copypaste reported.
williamdunne: Ah that makes more sense
williamdunne: Seemed like too many
mircea_popescu: moving on to step two of my day, breakfast! after which ima make more eulora accts, mike_c danielpbarron an who else wanted.
pete_dushenski: "Popescu you're the dumbest fuck on the planet and have no authority to call anyone else an idiot." << quite the saucy qntra commenter
pete_dushenski: NO AUTHORITAY!11
pete_dushenski: one can only imagine who said dumbfuck imagines qualified to call others idiots
mircea_popescu: well at least this one can spell.
mircea_popescu: (other than any woman over 20)
pete_dushenski: women over 20 are calmer ?
assbot: Logged on 02-06-2015 02:59:59; trinque: williamdunne: modicum of respect is not a big ask
mircea_popescu: no, just, if they try and date they're gonna meet 'em
pete_dushenski: fair enough
mircea_popescu: ask anyone. "impotent anger, #1 red flag".
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jurov: from #eulora: <chetty> nah just wait a minute or so, death hasnt really been implemented yet
jurov: hahahaha
mircea_popescu: jurov dja have any idea how sadpuppies anyone'd have been if i implemented death before marriage ?
mircea_popescu: not even irl god has that rotten a sense o humor.
assbot: Logged on 02-06-2015 01:01:40; williamdunne: I'm pretty fucking excited, Bucharest -> Prague -> Istanbul is gonna be fun
mircea_popescu: those aren't in order are they ?
jurov: really, this needs much more time to be able to grasp the game idea and write something positive
mircea_popescu: anyway, istanbul's great, prague's fulla sluts and therefore greater. bucharest... whatevs.
pete_dushenski: of those 3, prague definitely has the best womenz
mircea_popescu prefers the turkish 35lb butt to the czech slender type
pete_dushenski: prague and istanbul both have fantastic food, bucharest is meh in this regard as well
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87550 @ 0.00033824 = 29.6129 BTC [+] {2}
pete_dushenski: romanian women would be right in between the bubblebutturks and the skinnyczechs
pete_dushenski: more skeptical in their disposition too
pete_dushenski: which can only lead to better conversation
mircea_popescu: they can curse better than either
mircea_popescu: THAT can lead to excellent conversation
pete_dushenski: i'd say romanian chicks are just sharper in general
deedbot-: accepted: 1
mircea_popescu: this may well be true
mircea_popescu is happy with the quality of female.ro intellect
pete_dushenski: from all the ones i've come across, an admittedly smaller but still far from zero quantity, female.ro is right up there with the best of 'em
pete_dushenski: for intellect.
mircea_popescu: course you probably stuck to the danube plain, where all the garbage ends up.
mod6: Update: full sync of v0.5.3.1-RELEASE + patche(s) { Orphanage Thermonuke } + { TX Orphanage Amputation } is up to block: 326594
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pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: i'm talking mostly about the ones that've made their way to canada
pete_dushenski: plus, when i was in romania, i was in sinaia, brasov, timisoara, and a few other places, not just danube :)
pete_dushenski: speaking of traveling, fuck me if i don't have four sets of friends who just got engaged in the last month or two
pete_dushenski: if another one of them has a wedding at the same time as $conference....
pete_dushenski: c4, that is.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Well, warn them nao
pete_dushenski: and spoil the look on their face when i tell them that something in the world might be more important than their wedding ?
pete_dushenski: "One way to un-cast the Islamic State’s spell over its adherents would be to overpower it militarily and occupy the parts of Syria and Iraq now under caliphate rule. Al‑Qaeda is ineradicable because it can survive, cockroach-like, by going underground. The Islamic State cannot. If it loses its grip on its territory in Syria and Iraq, it will cease to be a caliphate. Caliphates cannot exist as underground mov
pete_dushenski: ements, because territorial authority is a requirement: take away its command of territory, and all those oaths of allegiance are no longer binding. Former pledges could of course continue to attack the West and behead their enemies, as freelancers. But the propaganda value of the caliphate would disappear, and with it the supposed religious duty to immigrate and serve it.
pete_dushenski: ^seriously, where do people get these swiss cheese heads ?
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pete_dushenski: isis is no more capable of being destroyed by the usa's excuse for a military than al-queda was
pete_dushenski: fuck, al-queda should've been a walk in the park by comparison.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski roflmao. "one way to stop sucking would be to rule instead"
jurov: they're more like taleban
mircea_popescu: you don't fucking say...
mircea_popescu: anyway, for the record, the only cockroaches in the middle west are the americans atm.
pete_dushenski: middle east ?
mircea_popescu: their underground being made up out of random social media
pete_dushenski: not that midwest isn't also full of 'em
mircea_popescu: well yeah.
mircea_popescu: anyway, who the fuck came up with the territorial nonsense quoited above anyway ?
pete_dushenski: http://gcaw.net/ << graeme wood in an article for 'the atlantic'
mircea_popescu: you'd think people actuaslly involved in strategic planning have enough of a tin ear to hear the sort of "o noes, things aren't like we have emotionally invested ourselves into them being, let us rehash how trhings shjould be so we don't have to change or even examine our priors" whine.
mircea_popescu: territory's not worth squat. bitcoin, tmsr~ does actually better than any known state PRECISELY because all its territory is virtual.
mircea_popescu: territory was important when the economy was based on working the land.
mircea_popescu: then the industrial revolution came, and england was the size of a cumsplotch, and it didn't matter.
mircea_popescu: today...
mircea_popescu: heh, why do i even bother.
pete_dushenski: keep going !
nubbins`: more like slowassbot
mircea_popescu: find me a state in the history of the world that can run the sort of deficits we run.
nubbins`: my timely quip is no longer timely
decimation: can't eat a digital biscuit
mircea_popescu: slownubs ?
pete_dushenski: nubbins`: heh.
mircea_popescu: decimation you know this is what people said too ? "can't eat an iron sword"
mircea_popescu: yeah dude, you can. and it's your choice to either feed me or eat it. how about that.
pete_dushenski: mp hungry.
mircea_popescu: i can't eat a digital biscuit, meanwhile you go make someone shove pens in his butt, without the digital biscuit.
nubbins`: so i just got this in an email from my isp
nubbins` golf claps
decimation: the surplus of bitcoin failed to help dpr
nubbins`: graphs are non-accurate tho
mircea_popescu: 100 mb, not so bad.
mircea_popescu: decimation and the pretorian guard failed to help nero.
pete_dushenski: decimation: it's necessary but not sufficient
nubbins`: mild panic this past winter when i realized the obstruction my metal snow shovel wouldn't pound through was... fibre into the house
nubbins`: but it was ok!
pete_dushenski: dpr lacked surplus of intelligence in other regards
mircea_popescu: they're reinforced to hell precisely because of people like you.
nubbins`: well, you're welcome
mircea_popescu: srsly, for about 10 years it was like "omfg world please stop cutting cables"
nubbins`: guy asked me if i wanted fibre to the pole or the door
mircea_popescu: world went "sorrieh!!1s"
mircea_popescu: eventually it was "fuck this shit, we make them as tough as pipes"
nubbins`: "is it any extra fee to bring it to the door?" "nope" "what kinda beer do you drink?"
mircea_popescu: suddenly... 99% drop in accidental cuttings
pete_dushenski: nubbins`: what modem do you have ?
nubbins`: pete it's an "actiontech" or smth
mircea_popescu: the modem not the hot tub
nubbins`: actiontec
pete_dushenski: i'm in the market for a new modem. don't want to swallow whatever cisco garbage shaw cable provides
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski pogo.
pete_dushenski hadn't considered this...
nubbins`: actually sorry
nubbins`: here's where the fibre ends
nubbins`: it's an i-240g-b
nubbins`: hm, apparently this actiontec router might be worth tossing
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pete_dushenski: http://www.hitrontech.com/en/cable_detail.php?id=62 << this appears to be local cable co's new offering
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7311 @ 0.00032061 = 2.344 BTC [-]
williamdunne: Scoopbot is behaving well
BingoBoingo: For now
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22948 @ 0.00032308 = 7.414 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: williamdunne yeah not bad
williamdunne: Yeah, think he last went down maybe two weeks ago?
williamdunne: Guessing the new reconnecting stuff actually works
BingoBoingo still has the expectation that scooping bots go rogue
BingoBoingo: Like Deeding bots go missing
williamdunne is actually just sitting at home refreshing people's RSS feeds pretending to be a bot
BingoBoingo: And assbot makes the world go round
BingoBoingo: * williamdunne is actually just sitting at home refreshing people's RSS feeds pretending to be a bot << Oh, that's how oglafbot works
williamdunne: Aha really? Thats kinda funny
williamdunne: Although I guess you just have to check every Sunday so not too bad
williamdunne: If you want I could just add oglaf to scoopbot..
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-06-2015#1149668 << lol frenchie's a hardass and i suspect he's growing a moustache!
assbot: Logged on 01-06-2015 14:47:09; davout: bye!
nubbins`: here's one for asciilifeform
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-06-2015#1149703 << whjat the fuck sort of failed cult is this then
assbot: Logged on 01-06-2015 15:06:01; shinohai: This is about the only place that isn't an echo chamber anymore sadly.
mircea_popescu: i didn't sign up for this!
mircea_popescu: nubbins` poultry dildo ?
nubbins`: bluetooth dongle w/ fake antenna
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Its okay, the cult has been restored with a t-shirt with your face on it
williamdunne: I'm impressed so far with Romanian hospitality
mircea_popescu: the disadvantage of being romanian
williamdunne: 23:48:16 - menahem: what do you guys think of this tee ?
williamdunne: 23:49:17 - williamdunne: Well, its official, we're a cult.
williamdunne: 23:49:19 - menahem: hahaha
williamdunne: 23:51:05 - menahem: debating if i should add a quote to it
williamdunne: 23:51:45 - williamdunne: "I'm better than you" should suffice
williamdunne: 23:52:53 - menahem: "this Bitcock ain't gonna suck itself."
mircea_popescu: anywhere you go, you're unimpressed with the local assholery.
williamdunne: 23:53:41 - WolfGoethe [~textual@cpe-74-66-238-187.nyc.res.rr.com] entered the room.
williamdunne: 23:53:47 - williamdunne: +1
williamdunne: 23:53:51 - williamdunne: Fuck it, I'd buy it
mircea_popescu: ahahaha wut.
williamdunne: It really is incredible how helpful the lady has been, I'm used to the standard snobbery from others in her position
williamdunne: It actually doesn't look half-bad on the t-shirt
mircea_popescu: if georgie ouzounian runs into you somewhere in dusty utah and you're wearing that shirt and it reads "I'm better than you" he's probably going to accost you.
williamdunne: I'm not awful at running, I'll take my chances
assbot: Logged on 02-06-2015 10:34:11; nubbins`: mircea_popescu, your outstanding shipping bill is $70 and i still have a box of NSA tees taking up space in my studio
mircea_popescu: are you sueing me yet ?
nubbins`: no, but:
assbot: Logged on 02-06-2015 10:34:32; nubbins`: given that the outstanding debt and the box of tees are 18 months old and 20 months old, respectively, i think it's time we settle up
mircea_popescu: aha aite.
nubbins`: 1CzZMzXzA9jtRDNEcG1jzfL5MfxRyVjUxD
mircea_popescu: this has been the most distant christmas in hystory, but! apparently it's coming.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` ima send you 0.(3) bitcoin
nubbins`: i'll shake the spiders out of the remaining inventory at no extra charge
mircea_popescu: tyvm o.O
mircea_popescu: what sort of industrial warehouse do you run in your own house over there!!
mircea_popescu: spiders ?!
nubbins`: sec, i have pix
nubbins`: found a crazy one today
mircea_popescu: that's not so bad
nubbins`: looked less intimidating outdoors
mircea_popescu: wolf spiders, they chase!
mircea_popescu: tijuana abortions ever more gruesome
assbot: Logged on 01-06-2015 20:16:56; trinque: little guy seems to be doing alright
nubbins`: in other news, we're prolly gonna break last year's gross income by late july
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-06-2015#1151226 << looks like a dude 'enjoying' a homemade dulap !?
assbot: Logged on 02-06-2015 14:10:57; mircea_popescu: in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_may9nl7Nmj1qzeiaco1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform or that.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: update since last night: got reply from mf. they will re-do the duds.
thestringpuller: ;;isup qntra.net
gribble: qntra.net is down
thestringpuller: qntra crashed
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform cool
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller yaya, moar wiff teh script kiddies.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-06-2015#1151037 << obligatory >> http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s129/PeaceNikki72/uAgkm.jpg << originally a u.s. politico spoof, but has been 'memed' for many years with various photodiddles
assbot: Logged on 02-06-2015 12:59:03; mircea_popescu: ask anyone. "impotent anger, #1 red flag".
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: i've been told to use hate as a measurement of success.
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: 'oderint dum metuant' (TM) (R)
nubbins`: gr8 h8 m8
asciilifeform: ;;isup trilema.com
gribble: trilema.com is down
chetty: its ok tho, Eulora is up
pete_dushenski: ;;isup contravex.com
gribble: contravex.com is up
pete_dushenski: guess i've been ruffling the wrong feathers of late ?
nubbins`: brb testing vpn
pete_dushenski: "So, for instance, if it turned out that Obama were indeed a space lizard (how embarrassing!) the administrator would simlply click on “conspiracy theories,” click on the checkbox next to “Obama is a space lizard,” and click “uninstall.”"
pete_dushenski: ok, i lol'd
pete_dushenski: "I would respond that if he has a SIM card in his phone, then the phone emits roaming signals which allow its position to be determined with surprisingly good accuracy by using multilateralization—measuring its relative signal strength at several of the surrounding cell phone towers." << doesn't this require 'stingray' ?
pete_dushenski: or is that just for improved accuracy ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29050 @ 0.000328 = 9.5284 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: lmao this noob.
thestringpuller: ;;ud impotent rage
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=impotent+rage | impotent rage. When a man can't get it up, everything bothers him. He whines, throws tantrums and if someone mentions the word "laid" the rage takes over.
mike_c: mircea_popescu: got the acct info, thanks
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25348 @ 0.000328 = 8.3141 BTC [+]
mike_c: cazalla: I'm going to try dual-booting another box of mine and see if i can get eulora/ubuntu going. I'll post my step-by-step if it works
mod6: thanks.
mod6: i tried to get it up and going lastnight on the throw-away ubuntu lappy has an intel graphics card. i had the previous release running on there, but have since wiped it. everything compiled fine lastnight. 'cept when starting `euclient`, it complained about no 3d graphics or something similar.
mod6: gonna mess with it later tonight. i don't remember what I did before to resolve this, been too long.
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chetty: mod6 what version ubuntu?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-06-2015#1150083 << that entire thing has absolutel;y nothing to do with "investors"
assbot: Logged on 01-06-2015 20:22:07; Landgull: They need to stop talking about what they need and start talking about what they will do for their investors.
mircea_popescu: it just calls people that if that's what they want to be called.
mircea_popescu: if you're so inclined, you can find a woman on the street willing to call your bar bills "investments", and then make you some kids to invest into further.
mircea_popescu: that's the nature of this "investment". "we can use your money"
BingoBoingo: Bethesda is announcing Fallout 4 tomorrow, hot on the heels of the Eulora beta announcement.
mircea_popescu: 3 was such a disappointment
BingoBoingo: I enjoyed it, but also missed out on 1&2
BingoBoingo: I enjoyed that Fallout 3.5 game in Vegas more than 3 though
mod6: <+chetty> mod6 what version ubuntu? << 14.10? not sure off the top of my head. i'll work on it tonight. will let you know.
mod6: im sure it's fine.
nubbins`: pete_dushenski doesn't what require stingray
nubbins`: triangulating your position based on cell towers?
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BingoBoingo: MPOE's been holding up for a while nao
menahem: williamdunne thanks for sharing the shirt, lol. :) ill have it available for purchase soon, tweaking the shipping options.
williamdunne: Aha, very welcome
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pete_dushenski: nubbins`: determining the position of a sim card.
pete_dushenski: if all you need are cell phone towers to determine location, why the fuck does stingray matter ?
pete_dushenski: ftr i don't know that 'stingray' is all that useful, may be 'teaching the controversy'
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nubbins`: it's useful if the telco tells you to fuck off
nubbins`: look, your phone's connected to x towers right now, each with a diff signal strength. basic math gives a rough location
nubbins`: stingray would ostensibly be a single-point unit, less useful for triangulation, more of a "warmer/colder" style
pete_dushenski: makes sense.
pete_dushenski: telco telling cops to fuck off though ? maybe 10 years ago.
pete_dushenski: not that there wouldn't be some red tape and paperwork, i suppose.
nubbins`: go back and re-watch The Wire and see the hassle they went through tapping cell phones, and then imagine giving them a suitcase that blasts out the strongest cell signal in the projects so every phone preferentially tries to connect to it
nubbins`: it's a boon for cops
pete_dushenski: the wire was also 10 years ago
pete_dushenski: based on intel older than that
nubbins`: sure, and a lot of the problems surrounding that part of the puzzle are different now
nubbins`: but in all cases, going through official routes to get info from telco vs just turning on a piece of kit?
nubbins`: especially if your department head doesn't give a fuck when/where you use your stingray
nubbins`: (the inevitable outcome, duh)
pete_dushenski: i can see it.
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lobbes: <BingoBoingo> I enjoyed it, but also missed out on 1&2 << Same boat here. I never played 1 & 2, but thoroughly enjoyed 3 & 3.5. My buddy, who had played the originals, also felt disappointed. It's all relative (tm), I guess.
pete_dushenski: needless to say, stingray or tower triangulation are more expensive to implement than gps tracking in smartphones
pete_dushenski: so if security is a matter of making attacks expensive, a dumbphone still trumps a smartphone
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: did the derp from fortune who didn't link to qntra ever come clean ?
nubbins`: this vpn doles out a paltry 17mbit/s
pete_dushenski: who are you using ?
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski mno.
nubbins`: giving pia a shot
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: sorta figured as much
pete_dushenski: nubbins`: ya, pia is pretty damn slow
pete_dushenski: i've been doing some reading on this jaron lanier fellow, looking for an angle to roast him on for a blog post but i have to admit i'm at a loss
nubbins`: smokes weed
pete_dushenski: the dude is so all over the map, markov chaining so hard, that i have nothing to grab onto without pulling the entire universe along with me
pete_dushenski: ya, the dreads are a bit rasta eh
pete_dushenski: ah well, fuck it. if anyone falls for his rambling nonsense, they deserve it.
nubbins`: "He proposes a two-way linking system that would point to the source of any piece of information, creating an economy of micropayments that compensates people for original material they post to the web."
nubbins`: imagine those youtube pop-up text ads, but "like the sound in this scene? send satoshis to 1Rambo5SoundGuyxxx"
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pete_dushenski: pretty much his proposal, except extended even further so that people sharing their biometrics or whatever with their insurance companies or employers would be paid extra
pete_dushenski: it's welfare with the DIGNITY of having earned it.
pete_dushenski: just for existing, obv.
pete_dushenski: but because it was willingly shared, it magically has value.
nubbins`: if it didn't have value, people wouldn't collect it, mmm?
pete_dushenski: precisely like seashells on the beach
pete_dushenski: value being a very subjective thing when there's no scarcity or fungibility
pete_dushenski: it's not like your fatass heartrate is a monet
nubbins`: sure
nubbins`: value changes over time, too
nubbins`: maybe the lighting in Heat was too blue for audiences in the late 2010s
nubbins`: but was rad as hell in the mid 2030s
pete_dushenski: well that's just fashion, which is inherently worthless.
pete_dushenski: 'audiences' being 'the people' and therefore incapable of imparting value on anything whatsoever
nubbins`: maybe the insurance company has a very large need of biometric data when figuring out rates for a new policy program
nubbins`: but not so much of a need for em later.
nubbins`: put another way
mircea_popescu: curl: (23) Failed writing body
mircea_popescu: that's a new one.
nubbins`: what's the value of a sheet of toilet paper while you're taking a shit, vs while you're taking a shower?
nubbins`: would you pay $5 for it while you're shampooing your hair?
nubbins`: how 'bout when you just shit yourself in the parking lot outside the funeral home?
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BingoBoingo: markov bash!
pete_dushenski: nubbins`: if said insurance company needs data now, why wouldn't it need more data later with which to compare the original info ?
nubbins`: oh, it just might
nubbins`: if pumpkin futures for october are through the roof, why wouldn't they be even higher just after xmas?
pete_dushenski: but if, say, biometric data is a pre-condition for coverage, that doesn't mean that the insurance company should be paying you to use it
pete_dushenski: "One entity would be specialized in handling of coins. It would focus mostly on security, and could also offer processing for other things than exchanges (I’m thinking about Lightning, for example). Existing wallet services are probably in a good position to start working on this kind of solutions." << what a fucking retard. no spellcheck, no braincheck...
pete_dushenski: "let's decentralise the parts of a human body so that it can be more efficient"
pete_dushenski: "you take the legs, i'll take the chest, he'll take the ears !"
pete_dushenski: cripes you'd think that 600k coins or whatever he embezzled would buy him a tutor.
pete_dushenski: and a non-tumblr website.
pete_dushenski: and a photographer with a proper camera for a portrait shot
pete_dushenski: !gettrust NewLiberty
assbot: Trust relationship from user pete_dushenski to user NewLiberty: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 2 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=pete_dushenski&to=NewLiberty | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/NewLiberty/
pete_dushenski: NewLiberty: you can self-voice dude
BingoBoingo: !up NewLiberty
NewLiberty: I used to be able to anyhow
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.20760911 = 1.038 BTC [+]
punkman: pete_dushenski: NewLiberty: you can self-voice dude << it says 0 via 2 there
fluffypony: jurov: I don't know if I can trust a website called "worldnewsdailyreport" :-P
NewLiberty: has to be >0 to self voice
punkman: magicaltux blogging again... just shameless isn't he.
pete_dushenski: NewLiberty: ah, i thought it was just assbot's l2 for some reason
NewLiberty: Fluffypony, have you digested the borromean ring stuff yet?
NewLiberty: I'm still chewing on it
fluffypony: NewLiberty: no, too buggered and travelling at the moment, so will look at it on Friday once I've landed back in SA and spent a day recovering :)
NewLiberty: Yes, it is one that takes work. More so for me certainly.
punkman: is that a monero thing?
williamdunne: punkman: Am I the only one thinking he might not be *entirely* to blame? (Entirely as if in he was incompetent, but someone else committed the bad deed.
punkman: williamdunne: possibly
NewLiberty: Gmaxwell paper on a privacy method
punkman: link?
fluffypony: it's not a privacy method, NewLiberty
fluffypony: adding it to Bitcoin won't add privacy
fluffypony: it's part of a wider crypto ecosystem that remains under wraps at the moment
fluffypony: but the advantage for Monero is that we may be able to adopt the scheme to reduce our signature size and verification effort
NewLiberty: Right, that is an important distinction.
NewLiberty: It does more for monero than for bitcoin
fluffypony: I'm terribly interested in what gmaxwell is up to, but he's already said that whatever guesses we have about this wider system we'd be wrong :)
williamdunne: Holy cow, SSDs have got cheaper since I last checked..
williamdunne: 960gb for $440, not bad
williamdunne: Oh wow, even better
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski the problem with not shooting retards is that they accumulate.
williamdunne: Three year warranty on the 2tb one though kinda sucks
NewLiberty: The zero knowledge oracle pieces, Fiat-Shamir, being put to a good use would be a nice add.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: that's a strong argument for axetime
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pete_dushenski: NewLiberty: good how ? nice how ?
mircea_popescu: williamdunne being stupid and acting like you're important and should be relied on is something one gets blamed for entirely.
mircea_popescu: blame attaches according to sin, not according to the size of the fireball.
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mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-06-2015#1150090 << there's certainly too much of this psychiatric sort of behaviour around. "what are you doing for a living ?" "i make people feel better about themselves"
assbot: Logged on 01-06-2015 20:24:23; ben_vulpes: make everyone feel really cool for investing
pete_dushenski: this is also teachers, nurses, doctors, lawyers, you name it.
pete_dushenski: everyone be in the "helping people" business
assbot: Logged on 01-06-2015 20:28:02; williamdunne: Thought they were derpy so wanted to discuss it on a public forum
pete_dushenski: "helping" with feelings, of course
punkman: Borromean Nonsense I say
mircea_popescu: "THERE ARE PEOPLE THERE WHO EXPECT US TO MAKE SENSE AND DONT CARE ABOUT HOW THIS MAKES US FEEL!!1"
mircea_popescu: the evil cult of taptweutmsadcahtmuf
pete_dushenski: cruel and unusual, this.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski there's a great seinfeld episode in which that weasel costanza goes to a job interview, decides to show up to work as if he had passed it, the somewhat confused receptionist gives him a choice of offices, he takes the smaller one.
BingoBoingo: taptweutmsadcahtmuf << I dunno this word, but "sad" seems important. Our cult gives outsiders the sads
mircea_popescu: then his boss comes back, discovers he's not done any work, and george goes "consider i am in the smaller office!"
mircea_popescu: by know there's an entire generation of this office scum : their job is to "x and be nice". they do exactly as much work as any guppi
mircea_popescu: but... CONSIDER I WAS NICE!11
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pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: and guppi's expect to be treated "nice" in return
pete_dushenski: resulting in a very congenial, even convivial environs with which to get exactly nothing done
NewLiberty: pete_dushenski: the ultimate gmaxwell use remains a mystery, but the method described is also useful for other purposes which may be more immediately nice. (less computer resource needed for some monero functions)
pete_dushenski: thus, the bureaucracy is the ideal home
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Context?
pete_dushenski: NewLiberty: o_O gmaxwell de facto working on monero nao ?
mircea_popescu: williamdunne hm ?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-06-2015#1150147 << da fuck do they do in the rangers, parkour ?
assbot: Logged on 01-06-2015 20:46:23; mats: the navy doesn't see nearly the same level of folks going to medical discharge boards
NewLiberty: Yes. The paper has some potentially helpful implications there.
nubbins`: BingoBoingo lul
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Context of "williamdunne being stupid and acting like you're important and should be relied on is something one gets blamed for entirely."
mircea_popescu: magicaltux, and you're comment as ot whether "he's to blame entirely"
mircea_popescu: yes, he is. nobody asked fatso to pretend like he's a banker nao.
mircea_popescu: you're lmao
williamdunne: Oh right, I meant that he might not be entirely responsible for the loss.
mircea_popescu: that is a certainty. most of the loss is purely imaginary anyway
mircea_popescu: like the TRILLIONS of dollars a derpy website "on the deep web o.O" that couldn't sell a kilo of coke is nevertheless associated with in usg paperwork.
mircea_popescu: indian candy prolly has more candy laying around her place than sr ever moved.
williamdunne: TBH every time more details come out about the whole MtGox shit-heap, it sounds more and more like there was a significant USG element to the almighty fuck up
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pete_dushenski: "Wang still feels as if he was unfairly rejected from the Ivies. "I think I deserve better than what I got," he said.""
pete_dushenski: This just in : azns are just as meta-fabulous as white kids
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pete_dushenski: if the article's picture tells us anything, it's that the kid probably didn't woo the socks off the interview panel, if there even was one.
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mats: #thestruggle
mats: mircea_popescu: mostly they starve you for days while you go on missions
mats: mircea_popescu: and then towards the end you have to pass a timed, weighted march after doing a 5mi run and some other events
mats: usually its the former that breaks people.
nubbins`: <+mircea_popescu> like the TRILLIONS of dollars a derpy website "on the deep web o.O" that couldn't sell a kilo of coke is nevertheless associated with in usg paperwork. <<< wasn't supposed to sell kilos of coke 8)
nubbins`: 6dollarshirts.com would probably have a very hard time selling cotton by the bale, as an analogy
mats: oops, 2mi run
mircea_popescu: nubbins` it got prosecuted for selling cotton by the bale, ftr.
nubbins`: sure did.
mircea_popescu: i have no objection to whatever model being used, but it'd better be used consistently!
nubbins`: flew too close to the sun on wings made of wax.
mircea_popescu: in the terms it's being discussed (cotton baller), it sucked.
nubbins`: sure, but in terms of being a bald eagle, you suck.
pete_dushenski thought of george sr's 'cornballer' from arrested development
nubbins`: doesn't mean you're not a top bloke otherwise, regardless of the foolishness of your building an eyre or whatevertf
nubbins`: aerie
mircea_popescu: im working on the bald eagle thing.
nubbins`: i figured you'd get something in motion when alf mentioned this a while back.
pete_dushenski: "As in the great days of the Studio System, NSA's star male lead spent a lot of time loaned out to other studios this Spring. The critically panned "RSA In The Soup!" trilogy was just packaged recently, while filming for the Thermonuked Chicken Saga continues." << haha priceless
pete_dushenski: 'stan the star' (tm)
assbot: Logged on 06-05-2015 20:13:20; ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-05-2015#1122989 << l0l - how about as an elephant? eagle ?
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mircea_popescu: cascading logsheets check that out.
nubbins`: also an acronym for content management systems that don't manage things very well
nubbins`: o look, new eulora src
nubbins`: fluffypony :0
mircea_popescu: that poor old lady
nubbins`: HAHA HAPPY BIRTHDAY WE'RE GOING TO COVER YOU IN POLYURETHANE FOAM AND LIGHT YOU UP
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nubbins`: i think it was the tracksuit guy who doused her w/ flame
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pete_dushenski wonders if stan is more of a Vyuacheslav Savitskiy (cossack general turned silver screen star) or Aleksandr Voloshin (white army officer turned silver screen star)
pete_dushenski: mp is definitely goldwyn/mayer
mircea_popescu: nubbins` he does stand around suspiciously unconcerned
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski you mean lb mayer ?
pete_dushenski: lazar yakovlevich mayer
pete_dushenski: golwyn's partner
mircea_popescu: iirc it was just lazar meir
pete_dushenski: goldwyn*
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-06-2015#1150338 << i read "where are you basted" and i thought... she'd better say "midway"
assbot: Logged on 01-06-2015 23:46:20; williamdunne: Where are you based?
assbot: Logged on 02-06-2015 00:14:20; WolfGoethe: portland was nice. met a super model lookin type girl there... she told me she hasn;t had a date in 6 months.. i was like why??? she said because the guys in portland are to scared to even say hi to her... lol
mircea_popescu: so THIS is why ben_vulpes & trinque don't invite us over huh.
williamdunne: http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_me9byzW1Rd1rkb8clo1_1280.jpg aka smallcock.jpg << seems like a poor choice to be naked in front of the camera
williamdunne: fluffypony: Darwinism in action?
trinque: mircea_popescu: heh, and the german girls are too scared to visit!
mircea_popescu: im still having the occasional chuckle over that episode.
mircea_popescu: williamdunne honestly if i iwas doing fetish photography, i'd only use below average dudes.
williamdunne: How come?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-06-2015#1150424 << you know, that picture doesn't take itself...
assbot: Logged on 02-06-2015 00:25:08; WolfGoethe: instagram has women like this... https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xaf1/t51.2885-15/e15/11230425_818749641507034_1768860839_n.jpg
mircea_popescu: williamdunne better trademark than you know, trying to put a watermark on the pics.
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assbot: Logged on 02-06-2015 00:27:11; trinque: never do I look at my food or ass and say "goddamn someone needs to see this shit"
williamdunne: Lol, small dick studios
nubbins`: babydick bus
nubbins`: er well i guess babydick bros now
trinque: 8D Media
mircea_popescu: toes before hoes.
trinque: haha
mircea_popescu: and i'd only hire black dudes too
mircea_popescu: and then apply to the uk's service of investing in derpy airports in fucking plymouth
mircea_popescu: to give me $$$ because i hired the most unfortunate people alive
mircea_popescu: black men with small dicks.
williamdunne: South West of the UK is poor as shit
williamdunne: Nothing happens here
williamdunne: Hence why we have 1 billionaire out of (104?) in the UK
mircea_popescu: shut up, that's got staines in da hood there. represent
williamdunne: restecp
mircea_popescu: West Staines Massif 4evar
williamdunne: east side is the best
mircea_popescu: ;;lasers williamdunne
williamdunne: Imma rewatch that actually
gribble: ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*
williamdunne: fuckin lold
assbot: Logged on 02-06-2015 00:41:59; Adlai: !b 2
thestringpuller: ;;laserkittens
gribble: ุ ₍˄.͡˳̫.˄₎ ุ ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew*
pete_dushenski: o hey wawrinka beat federer in straight sets.
mircea_popescu: he's old
pete_dushenski: that's what i thought too. like 3 years ago. guy's still at it and still winning
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mircea_popescu: !rate indiancandy1 1 williamdunne's hand puppet.
assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/6fb65a65f3ecc1ef
williamdunne: In other news, CIPC (the South Africa company registration/copyright people) use the TIF image format exclusively
mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.indiancandy1.1:b1b19f36f745b76e2d677cacd319cd1b9f52078b7606335173e617bf9e64bbca
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for indiancandy1 with note: williamdunne's hand puppet.
williamdunne: First time I've ever used that format
williamdunne: Nice rating
williamdunne: Although she doesn't have the key to access it D:
assbot: Logged on 02-06-2015 01:20:57; williamdunne: Can kakro overrule this when he is online I wonder?
williamdunne: Oh shet
mircea_popescu: williamdunne teaches you to ask the girl if she's on contraception BEFORE sticking it in.
williamdunne: mYeah, guessing the only option is a new nick, or to work out her password
williamdunne: ah well
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mircea_popescu: indeed. you can't administratively undo people's keys, thinkaboutit.
williamdunne: Well technically kak could
williamdunne: Guessing he has access to the DB, but yeah I kinda see why he shouldn't
assbot: Logged on 02-06-2015 01:49:50; WolfGoethe: only the geekiest of the crypto geeks would go thru all that just to post big booty pics
mircea_popescu: dude check out all the logdramaz.
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williamdunne: Did you see the response Sandhill gave me when I asked if they were gonna leave the US?
mircea_popescu: "we like the kindergarten and think we belong here."
mircea_popescu: prolly right.
williamdunne: Yep, nationalism seems strange as hell to me
williamdunne: If country is holding me back, I'm gonna move
mircea_popescu: that's not what's happening there.
mircea_popescu: what's happening there is, "all i know how to do is spend the unemployment benefits. i can only talk to girls if they share X Y Z very narrow preconceptions, my conversation revolves around internet faux news and internet faux outrage" etc.
chetty: williamdunne, yeah but where to? pretty much all like that these days
williamdunne: chetty: Seems like the USG is the only one who would prosecute someone for offering CFDs built on smart-contracts
chetty: point!
williamdunne: chetty: Much like Argentina so far hasn't given two shits that MP runs MPEX (AFAIK)
mircea_popescu: neither did romania
nubbins`: neither did SEC, as it turns out
mircea_popescu: tbh, neither did the us
williamdunne: Well, SEC couldn't give that many shits
mircea_popescu: nubbins` lol
williamdunne: But they have previously fined people for running bitcoin securities
chetty: rofl
mircea_popescu: williamdunne you know there's a shitload more to it than "saying so on reddit".
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-06-2015#1150865 << check out the sensitized trinque. does portland suck or something ? :D
assbot: Logged on 02-06-2015 03:07:55; trinque: my well of hate for this mentality is bottomless
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46600 @ 0.0003301 = 15.3827 BTC [+]
williamdunne: So I'm guessing if MP was US citizen or lived in US, they would have tried something
williamdunne: So more a matter of practicality rather than if they care or not
williamdunne: Its not like S.DICE lost investors money, ran a ponzi, or whatever
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Exactly, only the USG seems to care
williamdunne: Hence why I think they should tell the US to go fuck itself and move pretty much anywhere
mircea_popescu: you will note that contrary to deceitful reporting to the contrary, by both the sec itself and the usg prop machine,
mircea_popescu: s dice was at no point involved.
mircea_popescu: what was involved was, the guy, and his feed ze birds glbse asset.
mircea_popescu: of which nobody much heard or cares to much remember, but nevertheless.
assbot: Logged on 02-06-2015 07:15:59; cazalla: qntra down for anyone else? ddos back eh?
assbot: Logged on 02-06-2015 11:07:58; cazalla: the barter ocf mentions a "Pietila Group" so i guess it might be him
mircea_popescu: !up williamdunne1
williamdunne1: This is getting very annoying, can't get back into williamdunne
mircea_popescu: what in the everloving fuck
mircea_popescu: williamdunne1 msg nickserv release
williamdunne1: Any luck
williamdunne1: Fuck it, I'll close the whole thing off
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-06-2015#1150979 << i could of course just move it to a diff server, but whatevs.
assbot: Logged on 02-06-2015 11:30:01; jurov: dunno how that could be easily fixed. since mircea recoiled in horror from the "proxied php" setup, he can't easily split tittylick.php into other process with higher priority
williamdunne: I'm back
williamdunne: First off all how DAER you
williamdunne: I founded BarterOCF it is mi favorit AMAZING company
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
mircea_popescu suspects this entire pietilla thing is elaborate parody.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23102 @ 0.0003301 = 7.626 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: very well made, at that, so allow me to be the first one to clap.
diana_coman: I've got eulora to compile under windows 8.1, but then the client quits: "psclient has stopped working. Windows is checking for a solution to the problem..."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5148 @ 0.00033608 = 1.7301 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: "reboot your computer" ?
diana_coman: neah, it waits a bit and then it "will let you know" when it finds one :)))
williamdunne: Traditionally the response is "have you tried turning it off and on again"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30091 @ 0.00032743 = 9.8527 BTC [-]
diana_coman: yeah, I have the misfortune of having enough windows experience to know the famous "cure"
williamdunne: In fairness, I've had to do that a few times on Ubuntu
williamdunne: Hell, some stuff has been more stable on my windows machine than on here, but not all that much
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 229750 @ 0.00030088 = 69.1272 BTC [-] {6}
diana_coman: ubuntu is nowadays very much like windows I'd say
diana_coman: the reason for which I am currently seriously searching for some OS to have on my machine, as I can't stand ubuntu anymore
chetty: just stop upgrading it, stick with an old version
mircea_popescu: yeah, nothing past 10.04 was ever approved for usage anyway.
diana_coman: well yes, that's what I did for the moment: got an older version
diana_coman: but ...
diana_coman: I still can't stand it anymore, lol
mircea_popescu: make a working gentoo.
mircea_popescu: mod6 was working on getting one together but im sure he can use help
williamdunne: The only reason Ubuntu is nice, is that everything is packageized
williamdunne: Maybe I'll move to debian
diana_coman: it could be interesting - I'll need to have a look at gentoo as I haven't really looked at it in ages
mircea_popescu: debian used to work. then it got packaged into ubuntu, and the remainder was shot in the head with systemd crapolade.
williamdunne: Oh, great. All I want is a stable OS with a well populated package manager
williamdunne: Lord, why won't you grant me this wish
mircea_popescu: myeah. a b-a os, in the shape of an usable open source something without idiocy/usgity baked in and with decent defaults so that people can install it without dedicating their life to it is ever more required.
williamdunne: We should call it loper
williamdunne: Or maybe loper-os
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16400 @ 0.00031969 = 5.2429 BTC [+]
pete_dushenski: !up ascii_field
pete_dushenski: "Starting on 27 June 2015, SMS notifications from Google Calendar will no longer be sent. SMS notifications were launched before smartphones were available. Now, in a world with smartphones and notifications, you can get a richer, more reliable experience on your mobile device, even offline." << well fuck that.
pete_dushenski kinda liked the text messages 45 min before events.
chetty: everyone must have a 'smartphone', how else they gonna keep track of you?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63261 @ 0.00032136 = 20.3296 BTC [+] {3}
pete_dushenski: as if writing 1000 lines a week in here wasn't enough data.
pete_dushenski: but hey, not everyone fits in that category, i guess.
Naphex: https://xotika.tv/#/development pretty countdown is on :P
mircea_popescu: lol. this is a bad format
mircea_popescu: they have no fucking idea what to do wioti it
mircea_popescu: yo Naphex , want a banner on 8chan ?
Naphex: (has no idea what 8chan is )
Naphex: never got into chans
mircea_popescu: mk. want 500k or so impressions ?
Naphex: ofc
williamdunne: Naphex: Registered as a model
mircea_popescu: 728x90, make me a banner.
williamdunne: Naphex: I'll be in Bucharest next week to audition for you
mircea_popescu: ahahaha wut ?
Naphex: williamdunne: will actually be in mamaia from saturday
Naphex: doing the launch
mircea_popescu: Naphex cu pizde ?
Naphex: you're welcomed to join http://www.awsummit.com/
Naphex: mircea_popescu: yeah ofcourse,we got some romanian playboy model
Naphex: and some other gimmicks :P
williamdunne: damn it, now how will I make my audition
mircea_popescu: Naphex daca-mi trimiti ceva poze ok & exclusive iti fac articol pe trilema.
Naphex: mircea_popescu: aye, rezolv de toate
Naphex: o sa-i zic la cora sa pregateasca
williamdunne: Naphex: Fuck it, I'd actually go to that summit with you, but I've got a flight to Prague on Thursday
williamdunne: *next Thursday
mircea_popescu: Naphex da' pizda goala nu cacaturi. trilema e anti softcore
Naphex: mircea_popescu: :))
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski ancient trilema commenter chick used to link to foib.org
hanbot: mircea_popescu if trilema is anti-softcore why isn't shit allowed?
hanbot: har har
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36895 @ 0.00033223 = 12.2576 BTC [+]
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: lol
deedbot-: Bad URL or network outage.
pete_dushenski: hanbot: .txt
deedbot-: accepted: 1
hanbot: thanks pete. damned if i ever manage it correctly on the first try
jurov: why no one is hosting .txt version of stuff themselves?
pete_dushenski: i'd guess that something in the order of 30% of deeds are correctly submitted and accepted on the 1st try.
jurov: still, not having to copy text from html can be handy when deedbot link is not provided
mircea_popescu: jurov im not sure what you're asking ?
jurov: everyone just copies the clearsigned test and pastes it to wordpress
jurov: *text
jurov: it may be a problem to get the text back so that it verifies
jurov: so i'm asking to upload the original as attachemnt
jurov: *attachment
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-06-2015#1151672 << i don't expect to live to see this. needs standardized iron
assbot: Logged on 02-06-2015 19:14:23; mircea_popescu: myeah. a b-a os, in the shape of an usable open source something without idiocy/usgity baked in and with decent defaults so that people can install it without dedicating their life to it is ever more required.
pete_dushenski: ascii_field: eat better !
mircea_popescu: !up referredbyloper
mircea_popescu: oh i see.
mircea_popescu: not a bad idea, that.
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: wai wat
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21405 @ 0.00032115 = 6.8742 BTC [-]
hanbot: jurov yeah i think i'll adopt your method from now on.
nubbins`: referredbyloper: welcome
nubbins`: favourite type of cheese?
assbot: Logged on 02-06-2015 18:19:02; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-06-2015#1150433 << so eat better.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35545 @ 0.00033004 = 11.7313 BTC [+]
lobbes: !up ascii_field
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39000 @ 0.00032889 = 12.8267 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: U.S. ambassador to England, Joseph Kennedy, also told the studios to stop making pro-British and anti-German films, as British defeat was imminent and there was no point in America holding out alone: 'With England licked, the party's over.'
mircea_popescu: things that never happened in 1939, an archive.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34348 @ 0.00031159 = 10.7025 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.00030008 = 6.0016 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20500 @ 0.00030008 = 6.1516 BTC [-]
assbot: Logged on 02-06-2015 15:03:12; mike_c: cazalla: I'm going to try dual-booting another box of mine and see if i can get eulora/ubuntu going. I'll post my step-by-step if it works
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12519 @ 0.00030008 = 3.7567 BTC [-]
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: link to the 1939 thing ?
gabriel_laddel: !up ascii_field
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43620 @ 0.00031155 = 13.5898 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32950 @ 0.00031166 = 10.2692 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12750 @ 0.00031155 = 3.9723 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5550 @ 0.00031166 = 1.7297 BTC [+]
lobbes: ascii_field: curious myself, I googled teh quote. Found a wikipedia article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_B._Mayer#cite_ref-Eyman.2C_p._277_69-0
lobbes: 'From September, 1939, until January, 1940, all films that could be considered anti-Nazi were banned by the Hays Office.'
lobbes: heh
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3205 @ 0.00032889 = 1.0541 BTC [+]
trinque: mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-06-2015#1150865 << check out the sensitized trinque. does portland suck or something ? :D << as portland has nothing, is nothing, the empty vessels here mostly define themselves as *not* the other empty vessels.
assbot: Logged on 02-06-2015 03:07:55; trinque: my well of hate for this mentality is bottomless
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23824 @ 0.00033284 = 7.9296 BTC [+]
trinque: black hole of meta-identity and retirement at 25
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell jurov you've got depositz :)
gribble: The operation succeeded.
jurov looks
jurov: O.o
lobbes: ;;later tell WolfGoethe btw, you should get a cloak (ask on #freenode)
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: ;;later tell nubbins` http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-06-2015#1151173 << i actually have one, bought from an ebay sc4mz0r most of a decade ago, somewhere in my parts box
assbot: Logged on 02-06-2015 13:57:52; nubbins`: http://i.imgur.com/eIuHT8a.jpg
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6250 @ 0.00033308 = 2.0818 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: ascii_field: you would even hate on red-army superman.
ascii_field: wai wat
thestringpuller: in alternate timeline superman falls to soviet russia and is raised as communist
thestringpuller: he becomes hero of red army and champion of proliterat
trinque: thestringpuller: the horror!
trinque: is there some time-warp scenario where american and comrade superman do battle?
punkman: someone wants to do phuctoring on github
ascii_field: punkman: wtf. as if you can't get ssh pubkey just by connecting to random boxen
ascii_field: -public- means... just that, public.
thestringpuller: trinque: More like Comrade Batman vs Comrade Superman.
thestringpuller: pretty sure ascii_field would be on team Comrade Batman. :P
jurov: lol i actually started scraping github keys today , with this intention
jurov: but with their ratelimiting, might take over a week
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: found it earlier, neat
punkman: seems like the guy found a bunch of people using keys generated while Debians OpenSSH could only make 32k distinct keys
jurov: unless someone here generates and donates their oauth key
ascii_field: the 'factorable' folks did the earlier
ascii_field did not discover gcd! euclid did
mircea_popescu: Debians OpenSSH could only make 32k distinct keys << o.O
mircea_popescu: when the fuck was this ?!
mircea_popescu was busy at the time, apparently.
mircea_popescu: seriously ? this was a thing ?
jurov: big thing
punkman: who doesn't remember THE debian bug
mircea_popescu: me, apparently.
punkman: granted, so many of these fuckups going on every year
jurov: they even hacked debian servers and stole the source code!!!
ascii_field: http://jblevins.org/log/ssh-vulnkey << different from the one i was thinking of
mircea_popescu: On May 13th, 2008 Seems that the bug was introduced in September 2006.
mircea_popescu: Instead of mixing in random data for the initial seed, the only "random" value that was used was the current process ID. On the Linux platform, the default maximum process ID is 32,768, resulting in a very small number of seed values being used for all PRNG operations.
mircea_popescu: process id as a random value, god help us
mircea_popescu: "Back when the NSA was routinely weakening commercial cryptography, their favorite technique was reducing the entropy of the random number generator."
mircea_popescu: oh i see, BACK WHEN
ascii_field: ahahaha.
ascii_field: 'back when.'
mircea_popescu: back when dudes took pictures of naked women...
mircea_popescu: you know, before the internet...
jurov: before bitcoin
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: they go in circles all day...
trinque: "wide-area mass surveillance and location tracking of entire cities and towns."
ascii_field: picking up stray rf or whatnot.
trinque: maybe munching on cell phones, wifi, so on
punkman: why do they register these and let them show up on flightradar24?
ascii_field: punkman: generally u.s. airplanes are required to broadcast id
ascii_field: punkman: for reasons i cannot fathom, usg does not even exempt its own snoops from this.
mircea_popescu: twist : tyhey're really nk spyplanes
punkman: I remember some artist guy that dug-up a similar list of air transport shell companies that were used to move prisoners around
trinque: mircea_popescu: lol
williamdunne: jurov: Nice move, I'm still amazed .net is being OSS'd
williamdunne: I'm just hoping and praying Android ends up running .net
trinque: I'm skeptical that company can ever do anything right
mircea_popescu: ascii_field easy to fathom tho. one of those rotten cases where the exemption is louder than the thing it covers.
williamdunne: trinque: Honestly, recently I think they've been doing some great stuff.
trinque: williamdunne: nadella does seem to be doing his damnedest to right the ship
trinque: we'll see
williamdunne: Aye, Visual Studio community, OSS'ing .net being my two favourites
trinque: ^ this is exactly what I expect of their recent "great stuff"
trinque: openssh gets tied into some windows auth mechanism, so on
trinque: but who knows, apple looked dead once
ascii_field: microshit attempted this with every single thing it ever touched
trinque: still is dead for some measures
ascii_field: no exceptions
trinque: right, this looks just like how they approached the web. open standards? sure! sounds great
trinque: oh... try some activex though
trinque: williamdunne: does for example the open source .net ship any opaque binary wads?
trinque: if so, rootkit.
williamdunne: trinque: I don't believe so, but I haven't checked it in its entirely
jurov: mircea_popescu you've got depositz :)
trinque: williamdunne: or maybe the post-oracle virtualbox approach
trinque: where it has "non-free" extensions
williamdunne: IIRC the logic was that they want to promote their development tools, and premium products such as SQL server by making their stuff more prolific
kakobrekla: ,,,-.--------čl
jurov: kako's cat has spoken
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83300 @ 0.00033755 = 28.1179 BTC [+] {2}
kakobrekla: oh yeah sorry about that.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4334 @ 0.00034011 = 1.474 BTC [+]
trinque: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/06/02/us-usa-security-surveillance-passage-idUSKBN0OI2I920150602 << oh good, they added slightly more bureaucratic procedure to the surveillance, and decided they'd outsource the data storage to the companies themselves...
ascii_field: 'But instead of routinely feeding U.S. intelligence agencies such data, the companies would be required to turn it over only in response to a government request approved by the secretive Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court.' << l0l, the same 'court' which consists of a remotely-operated rubber stamp for director of intel.
trinque: ascii_field: progress! this will cost far less. god bless the free market.
trinque: fascism is that thing where you cook jews in ovens, and wear stylish hugo boss uniforms, right?
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ascii_field: ;;later tell mircea_popescu https://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?search=jbollstrom%40gmail.com&op=index << tell-tale duplicate submission. but not the usual 32-bit walk thing
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ascii_field: and it looks like somebody's ddosing sks ?
ascii_field: for perhaps a week now!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 102200 @ 0.00034481 = 35.2396 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56850 @ 0.00034783 = 19.7741 BTC [+]
ascii_field: sig does not verify
punkman: looks like random finnish dude that like weed and anime, maybe a Silk Road customer https://joindiaspora.com/posts/730630
ascii_field: but of course, as with the 32-bit 'magic set', the bottom 32 are the same, and this key would probably work in some winblows turd pgptron
ascii_field: at this point it probably makes sense to churn the entire sks db for tuples of keys having same userid and date, and diff all said tuples.
jurov: ascii_field: neither url works
jurov: Page not found: /key/0x4372F22E6DF53A6B
ascii_field: jurov: l0l!
ascii_field: must have -just now- been zapped
ascii_field: try direct link?
ascii_field: diddled key is topmost
ascii_field: see the earlier linked image for which bytes were altered
jurov: heh it's even visible in exported format
jurov: only 5th row changed
ascii_field: jurov: diff is of output of pgpdump -i
jurov: was bad endianness handling ever mentioned as possible culprit?
jurov: but then the bytes would be shuffled, not bits reversed
ascii_field: jurov: why would this affect the exponent (magic-98 set, rather than this latest one) and adjust the length field correctly ?
ascii_field: endian issue was the first hypothesis i considered - and rejected
ascii_field: jurov: those things were crafted. not a shred of doubt remains in my mind about it.
jurov: yea
ascii_field: crafted with an angle towards 'plausible deniability if one doesn't look too closely,' yes
trinque: !up artifexd
trinque: !up jordandotdev
gabriel_laddel: artifexd: how goes gossipd?
trinque: I was just about to ask the same :)
gabriel_laddel: !gettrust artifexd
assbot: Trust relationship from user gabriel_laddel to user artifexd: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=gabriel_laddel&to=artifexd | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/artifexd/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49500 @ 0.00033996 = 16.828 BTC [-]
gabriel_laddel: !up assbot
gabriel_laddel: !up ascii_field
trinque: !up SirJacket
trinque: !up alphonse23_
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3300 @ 0.00033308 = 1.0992 BTC [-]
trinque: what's this, bots here to munch logs?
shinohai: good evening all
shinohai: quiet evening here
shinohai: well, evening for me anyway.
alphonse23_: hello
danielpbarron: !up E8888____
alphonse23_: I was voiced
alphonse23_: how is it everyone?
danielpbarron: yes, hi. who are you?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16350 @ 0.00034783 = 5.687 BTC [+]
alphonse23_: this is the channel that announced that they factore a 4067 rsa key
alphonse23_: or something like that
alphonse23_: maybe it wasn't 4067
danielpbarron: yeah something like that
danielpbarron: and you are the user who ... ?
trinque: alphonse23_: note that this does not mean RSA in the abstract is broken
trinque: it means some implementation *may* be
alphonse23_: 4096
trinque: that's the one, yes
alphonse23_: factor of 2^n
alphonse23_: trinque: I know! I'm not that big of a noob
trinque: just tends to be the first thing that comes up
trinque: also, welcome
alphonse23_: HN was shaming that announcement
alphonse23_: claiming it was trolling
alphonse23_: was it really. explain yourselves!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5522 @ 0.00034783 = 1.9207 BTC [+]
danielpbarron: no, you explain yourself!
alphonse23_: fine!
trinque: lolwtfbbq
shinohai: I have so much reading left to do danielpbarron
danielpbarron: same here
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22658 @ 0.00034844 = 7.895 BTC [+]
trinque: danielpbarron: looks like he explained himself rather thoroughly eh?
shinohai: I'm trying to catch up on the entire mailing list before I joined. :/
danielpbarron: don't forget the log
shinohai: Yeah. I like the bash logs, I can even read those on android.
shinohai: !up alphonse23_
alphonse23_: and I'm back
alphonse23_: why does my irc service keep crashing.
trinque: alphonse23_: that irccloud thing seems like a turd
trinque: if the logs are any indication
alphonse23_: what do the logs say?
shinohai: I hate irccloud
alphonse23_: I pay for it
alphonse23_: I decided I use IRC enough to pay for the service
trinque: lolwut
trinque: irc is free man
alphonse23_: it is, but they do the archiving for you
alphonse23_: which is nice
shinohai: For real. I use a shell and weechat
trinque: you mean... logs?
trinque: alphonse23_: all clients do logs
alphonse23_: yes, they keep track of the history of all the channels I'm in
shinohai: I can grep logs right from my client
alphonse23_: so I never miss anything
alphonse23_: but it depends if the channel is logged
alphonse23_: not all channels are logged
shinohai: nope, my client keeps logs
alphonse23_: I think I got it specificically for channels that I wanted to logged, that didn't have anyone doing it for them.
trinque: alphonse23_: dude, all clients log
alphonse23_: really? but do you keep your computer on at all times?
shinohai: unless you webcht
trinque: ah ok, I see what you mean by log now
trinque: alphonse23_: this is generally a "bouncer" you run elsewhere from your local computer
trinque: and which you connect to with your client
trinque: they've webified that, but people have done it since ancient times
ben_vulpes: webify all the things!
trinque: ben_vulpes: make app icon! raise 15m! year later, raze your business!
jurov: http://www.eulorum.org/Gameplay << this is literally all I have figured out after hours of gameplay.
jurov: i got some results from /explore but i have no idea about them yet
BingoBoingo: <danielpbarron> no, you explain yourself! << For the record in tis situation you coulda just linked http://nosuchlabs.com/stats
danielpbarron: oh is his key phucked?
alphonse23_: is a bouncer a server
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Not that I know of, but dude wanted to know if it was trolling, so the solution is point them to the fount of data
trinque: alphonse23_: yessir
alphonse23_: do I have to purchase the server?
trinque: alphonse23_: yup, or run a second box at home
trinque: decent intro to fiddling with such things if you never have
alphonse23_: well. maybe I could do that.
alphonse23_: I wonder though. I pay irccloud 5 dollars a month
BingoBoingo: alphonse23_: Well, if you want to be a dick you could use botnet slaves as IRC bouncer, but easier to leave an old machine on at home to bounce IRC. Black and white Macs are ideal
danielpbarron: i assumed anything that he might have read that pointed to this channel would have also linked to the real phuctor but yeah ok
alphonse23_: owning a server, even if it's through digital ocean, would still be slightly more expensive.
trinque: I think linode starts out at 10 bucks a month
alphonse23_: see, more than irccloud
trinque: tons of virtual hosting things out there
trinque: the main benefit would be learning
shinohai: try hashbang, it's free
alphonse23_: k, I have othing things I'd like to learn that to setup something to log an irc channel
BingoBoingo: WHo only logs one IRC channel?
alphonse23_: for instance, I'd like to actually understands rsa factoring
alphonse23_: does 4096 refer to the max size of one of the primes. or the primes multiplied togetheR?
BingoBoingo: alphonse23_: Once again http://nosuchlabs.com/stats uses euclid's greatest common divisor
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trinque: !up NewLiberty
trinque: is teh arsebot sleepin?
alphonse23_: I bet even if I knew what that algorithm is, Id' still have doubts
NewLiberty: $10/month is about equiv to the electricity cost of a 120v machine running 24/7 for a year
BingoBoingo: trinque: Kako's cat prolly typed assbot too. Either that or there is another dispute over the pod bay doors.
BingoBoingo: NewLiberty: All depends on the machine and amps.
NewLiberty: good rule of thumb being $1/v/annum
trinque: BingoBoingo: dispute over the pod bay doors << bwhahahaha
NewLiberty: sure sure, some variation.
NewLiberty: I'm on solar so, up to what I produce, no added cost
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54200 @ 0.00033561 = 18.1901 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3350 @ 0.00033561 = 1.1243 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market buttstamp
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 225.2, Best ask: 225.31, Bid-ask spread: 0.11000, Last trade: 225.31, 24 hour volume: 7750.11381028, 24 hour low: 221.34, 24 hour high: 226.38, 24 hour vwap: 223.644666851
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67179 @ 0.00034844 = 23.4079 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 8 @ 0.20760911 = 1.6609 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: !up alphonse23_
asciilifeform: alphonse23_: you still there?
williamdunne: Pure hilarity on this show
alphonse23_: yup
alphonse23_: what's up
williamdunne: Two identical twin brothers at a festival, guy tries to cheat on his girlfriend with some bird
asciilifeform: alphonse23_: author of 'phuctor' speaking. you had questions ?
williamdunne: Brother calls him out
williamdunne: They argue with each other
williamdunne: The other brother fucks his bird
alphonse23_: what does 4096 refer to
alphonse23_: the maximum size of the primes
asciilifeform: alphonse23_: no. the size of the modulus, typically a product of two primes
alphonse23_: or the maximum size of what the two primes are multiplied to each other?
williamdunne: Bits of entropy
alphonse23_: so 4096 is the maximum size of the product of the two primes?
williamdunne: Only on Debian
alphonse23_: doesn't that only leave a handful of primes though
alphonse23_: you could just check them all.
alphonse23_: right?
asciilifeform: is the question specifically concerning the buggy debian rng ?
asciilifeform: or rsa in general
williamdunne: RSA in general
williamdunne: Debian was a joke on my part
asciilifeform: williamdunne: i think we have a genuine noob here, and you are addling him
asciilifeform: williamdunne: please stop.
alphonse23_: i'm not that big of a noob
williamdunne: alphonse23_: This might help you understand what the 4096 means
alphonse23_: just not an expert
asciilifeform: alphonse23_: 'checking them all', given current of foreseeable technology, would take several thousand years.
alphonse23_: and what point are you not a noob
alphonse23_: maybe you can ask that about everything
alphonse23_: and maybe I shouldn't care
trinque: alphonse23_: noob's not an insult
trinque: "beginner's mind"
asciilifeform: alphonse23_: rsa is not especially complicated. you can understand the basic idea after an hour's study
alphonse23_: yea, I've read a fair share of online guides about it
alphonse23_: I kind of understand
alphonse23_: still don't get elliptical curve cryptography at all.
asciilifeform: alphonse23_: 'phuctor' deals only with traditional rsa keys.
alphonse23_: twitter works on 2056 I think
alphonse23_: why no go decrypt some twitter traffic or something
alphonse23_: what's the purpose of all this?
asciilifeform: alphonse23_: basic idea, which is very old, is that euclid's greatest-common-divisor algorithm is very fast, for arbitrarily large numbers. so if two or more rsa keys were to share a factor, it will pop up.
williamdunne: Can only break bad keys
asciilifeform: alphonse23_: the idea is to find evidence of sabotaged implementations of rsa key generator.
alphonse23_: find the NSA at work?
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asciilifeform: alphonse23_: instead we found that someone is uploading carefully modified versions of other people's keys to sks key server net
alphonse23_: interesting
alphonse23_: I've never heard of the sks key server
asciilifeform: alphonse23_: it isn't one specific server, but a network of mirrors
asciilifeform: entirely automatic
asciilifeform: typically users of pgp/gpg upload their public keys there, and they can later be retrieved by anyone using a hash of the key
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alphonse23_: oh, so if you want to store your pgp some where, so anyone can verify it's you, you upload it to sks
alphonse23_: i've been using a service called keybase.io lately. Is that a noob service?
ben_vulpes: !s keybase
assbot: 64 results for 'keybase' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=keybase
shinohai: keybase blows
williamdunne: Personally I like it, just don't store your keys there
alphonse23_: I have some invite codes
asciilifeform: alphonse23_: if you let them generate keys for you, they have your private key. this ought to be elementarily obvious
alphonse23_: if anyone wants them :)
alphonse23_: that's a good point asciilifeform
shinohai: Thats just it, I wouldn't be storing my keys there.
alphonse23_: that generate the primes right in front of you! :)
alphonse23_: *they generate the primes
williamdunne: shinohai: Exactly, you don't have to, to use the service :)
alphonse23_: I guess it's made very user friendly though
shinohai: It's nice and all, but I just don't see the advantage over plain gpg
alphonse23_: it comes with a CLI app that lets you verify anyone on their servers
asciilifeform: alphonse23_: it is 'user friendly' in the same way that a mousetrap is mouse-friendly
trinque: alphonse23_: ever heard "if it's free, you're the product" ?
alphonse23_: maybe though the issue is, where would one store a public key. on whose server
alphonse23_: it would probably be like facebook, if it ever got popular. Which ever server became the most widespread.
shinohai: Don't. Use a keyring or a yubi.
BingoBoingo: <alphonse23_> maybe though the issue is, where would one store a public key. on whose server << Ideally if you want people to find your public key you spray it all over, but especially spray it in venues associated with your identity.
asciilifeform: alphonse23_: there is a large and well-established network of public key servers. e.g., https://pgp.mit.edu and other sks
alphonse23_: I have many online identities. I think keybase.io purpose is to verify and unify those identities
asciilifeform: alphonse23_: they all mirror one another.
alphonse23_: so people know it's you
asciilifeform: alphonse23_: for people whom you will never meet, 'you' are the key. and nothing else.
alphonse23_: had no idea. I only used keybase.io because someone I know was using it, and I thought it was a great idea.
trinque: alphonse23_: if someone other than you knows your private key, it is by definition not private
alphonse23_: I don't give out my private key
asciilifeform: alphonse23_: except to keybase?
danielpbarron: alphonse23_, the sites that keybase lets you link to your identity aren't really worth linking to your identity
alphonse23_: well. they don't have my private key
shinohai: ^ danielpbarron
asciilifeform: alphonse23_: if you let them generate it, they have it
trinque: keybase sticks it in browser local storage, right?
alphonse23_: but they did show the primes generated for it when I signed up for the service
trinque: alphonse23_: all they have to do is ship you some javascript once that reads that and transmits it elsewhere
alphonse23_: so you could say it's a compromised service
asciilifeform: alphonse23_: the very idea is braindamaged
alphonse23_: ok fine. But should I not trust keybase...
alphonse23_: I'm not sure. I was just trying out the service
williamdunne: alphonse23_: Its compromised if you a) generate your keys with them, or b) store your keys with them.
alphonse23_: but yes, I should probably micromanage my own keys and passwords
williamdunne: Its not even micromanaging, its just owning
trinque: one should use the same precautions with their bitcoin private keys.
trinque: you only own the coin if you *own* the private keys in the strictest sense
danielpbarron: the recommendation in here is to not even use newer versions of gpg, let alone some add-on made by a dating website guy
asciilifeform: alphonse23_: if someone else has a copy of your private key, whether because you let them generate it for you, or gave it up for storage for 'convenience', he can do anything which you can do. this ought to be obvious
danielpbarron: !up alphonse23_
alphonse23_: well. like I know that.
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BingoBoingo: alphonse23_: Well you do now. The question is what are you going to do about it?
alphonse23_: I'm going to become paranoid, and start keeping track of my own keys
alphonse23_: and stop being naive and trying out services from guys who start dating websites
trinque: !b 3
assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1STHGCG.txt )
trinque: bravo!
alphonse23_: I've actually been meaning to start using a key locker or something
alphonse23_: but I haven't been able to find one.
alphonse23_: any recommendations
asciilifeform: alphonse23_: what is a 'key locker' ?
alphonse23_: like, not necessarily a key locker, but somewhere to store passwords
asciilifeform: alphonse23_: you already own a device for storing passwords. it is attached to your shoulders.
alphonse23_: my brain
alphonse23_: but I use a lot of services online
ben_vulpes: passwords.gpg
alphonse23_: and I don't really keep track of all my passwords
alphonse23_: but I should
alphonse23_: but I've been using the internet for years now.
ben_vulpes: derpy_web_passwords.gpg
ben_vulpes: super_important_passwords.gpg
alphonse23_: k
alphonse23_: I'll do that
alphonse23_: thanks bitcon-assets
BingoBoingo: I've found KeyPassX adequate for storing tons of derpy web passwords. Also available on pretty much any OD
ben_vulpes: punkman: hey that's neat
punkman: I usually recommend Keepass to people that have been using a single password for the past 15 years
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BingoBoingo: I've been using it a while every version I used is the same local machine only deal that encrypts the derpy web passwords together in a single database file. Working on all the *nixen is a plus
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mod6 was working on getting one together but im sure he can use help << yeah, certainly on testing. i bought a pos box to use to build a physical gentoo box guide. i messed up something now grub is unhappy. I havne't been able to take a decent look at it since sunday morning.
mod6: Anyway, help/testing is always welcome.
shinohai: testing on what mod6 ?
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danielpbarron: i ran into issues with grub as well; ended up using the older version
mod6: shinohai: oh, im creating a guide on how to build gentoo on a physical box. it seems that the handbook covers it mostly. except for me I had problems with some things.
mod6: gentoo is a nightmare.
danielpbarron: once it's working it's quite nice
mod6: but it has this uclibc hardened stage3 that i'd like to try out as a platform from which we can utilize building and testing the R. I.
mod6: danielpbarron: i'll never enjoy it, i come from bsd. :]
BingoBoingo likes the even BSD even moar the more he lives with it
mod6: anyway, yeah, im sure i just did something dumb on my end with gentoo. i got it working fine on AWS.
mod6: im beginning to be skeptical that anyone can just get this working very easily though.
shinohai: I haven't delved into gentoo :/
mod6: so hopefully the guide I create will make it a bit easier. hopefully.
shinohai: btw, bitcoind built swimmingly on Ubuntu 14.04
shinohai: Even though I don't like/use Ubuntu - it works.
mod6: good to hear. thx :]
mod6: x86-64 im guessing?
shinohai: I just got bored and wanted to see if it would work on a spare shell I had.
mod6: cool, thanks!
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shinohai: Everyone wants to know when you guys are gonna release the Windoze version /s
mod6: Update: v0.5.3.1-RELEASE + patches { Orphanage Thermonuke } + { TX Orphanage Amputation } is at block: 335628
mod6: shinohai: haha.
shinohai: I haven't applied that patch yet :/
mod6: oh the 2 orphange ones?
mod6: i wouldn't worry about it. these are experimental as of now. at a later time, they maybe included in a milestone release.
mod6: unless you wanna test those seperately from your v0.5.3.1-RELEASE version
shinohai: Awesum. I hold off because I'm lazy and waiting for the first one to sync
mod6: yeah, sounds good.
shinohai: I need to set up an image to test on. I was gonna try an Arch image.
mod6: cool, if you do, let us know how it works out
shinohai: I have this crazy idea of getting it to run on those little arch images that work on Android
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decimation: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/49/46110 < " Findings of fact by the Secretary, Under Secretary, or Administrator, if supported by substantial evidence, are conclusive. "
mircea_popescu: decimation soviet justice moved more and more towards administrative adjudication too
mircea_popescu: soon enough thewy had police courts.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aha.
decimation: heh what is a 'police court'
decimation: a collection of police who decide to throw you in the gulag?
decimation: more and more it seems like the judicial branch simply acts as a rubber stamp for the executive
decimation: and where it might have a modicum of oversight, congress stamps it down
mircea_popescu: a police court is the choice way to deal with drunks and domestic disputes.
mircea_popescu: as the citizenry loses intellectual capacity and political standing, all its complaints look more and more like the results of drunken revelry and sexual stubbornness
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform also, 29 is a new prime innit.
decimation: 'drunks and domestic disputes' consume the vast majority of the court's time
decimation: somehow they are in a hurry to get back to them, rather than thinking about the wider ramifications of the government's assertations
decimation: at any rate, that papersplease.org is a pretty good blog, has much to say on the police state in the us, especially with with respect to flying
BingoBoingo: <decimation> 'drunks and domestic disputes' consume the vast majority of the court's time << Fuck you my case has only been a plaque in neighboring county's arteries for two years nao
decimation: BingoBoingo: ask any cop what the majority of his calls are, and generally the answer is 'domestics'
decimation: and generally the domestics involve drunks
BingoBoingo: decimation: this particular local most 911 calls are loud cars after 10pm
decimation: loud cars suck. for some reason americans are in love with enragingly loud cars/motorbikes
BingoBoingo: Fuck, I really am torn on whether ot not to approve spam comment for "mosin nagant 10 round magazine"
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BingoBoingo: But I mean if the US Supreme court takes the Elonis case's legacy further... they will have to answer is drunk a Mens Rea
decimation: americans can be herded like cattle through airports, tracked, tagged, and spied upon, but they really get pissed if you try to clamp down on loud/poorly operating cars/bikes
decimation: 'you can't take away our freedom'
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asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: l0l, mosin took stripperclips not mags
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Yeah. Imma guessing that the product is replacement for the fixed factory mag which would hold 10 rounds instead of 5, but link leads nowhere comprehensible in browser.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: see log for diff, incl. screenshot of visualdiff
BingoBoingo: mod6: As best as I can tell twas not a #b-a regular who said that so major props
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-06-2015#1151853 << there wasn't that much there to extinguish in the first place.
assbot: Logged on 02-06-2015 21:52:56; ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-06-2015#1151841 << embrace, extend, extinguish (TM) (R)
mircea_popescu: openssh is probably the most important contribution to software insecurity in history of computing.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that'd be openssl
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Confusing it with OpenSSL again
BingoBoingo: OpenSSH is the OpenBSD ssh implementation
mircea_popescu: windows is putting SSH in ?!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that was the item, yes
decimation: asciilifeform: have you used coverity?
asciilifeform: must inject microshit into the one protocol which had no microshittery, yes
mircea_popescu: i had thought they had just given up on their own version of telnet-ssl.
asciilifeform: decimation: nope
mircea_popescu: since "open source"-usg is doing so well at it.
decimation: apparently coverity allows you to submit your code/binary to their tool, will spit out potential bugs
decimation: it might be mildly interesting to do so for the bitcoin reference implementation
decimation: I would fully expect reams of shit though
BingoBoingo: Honestly I worry moar for pete and the other Candidians than I do for the USians.
asciilifeform: decimation: 1) take 'lint' 2) close source, put on www as-service 3) ??? 4) profit!!11!!1
mircea_popescu: decimation how does it work ?
decimation: heh I don't think it's that simple
mircea_popescu: basically what alf said + benefit of doubt.
BingoBoingo: Must collect arms in case defense of Theo becomes necessary
decimation: I have no doubt it would produce much noise, but it is a possible starting point
decimation: interestingly 'bitcoin' has already been submitted
asciilifeform: where is the output ?
decimation: I think you need to get an account, I will try to see if it is that easy
decimation: I'm not sure if they also submitted the deps, but bitcoin weighs in at 16 million lines of code
asciilifeform: l0l wat
decimation: yes, that's what the scanner says
mod6: haha
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-06-2015#1151875 << dawg, did i call it or did i call it lmao
assbot: Logged on 02-06-2015 22:08:48; trinque: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/06/02/us-usa-security-surveillance-passage-idUSKBN0OI2I920150602 << oh good, they added slightly more bureaucratic procedure to the surveillance, and decided they'd outsource the data storage to the companies themselves...
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the lulzy part is that it was -already- handled this way. only thing that will change (once anyone gets around to it) is a few lines in a spreadshit
asciilifeform: for accounting
asciilifeform: 'Andy confirmed that Coverity does not spot the heartbleed flaw and said that it remained stubborn even when they tweaked various analysis settings.'
assbot: Logged on 02-06-2015 22:27:24; ascii_field: at this point it probably makes sense to churn the entire sks db for tuples of keys having same userid and date, and diff all said tuples.
decimation: heh yeah
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform generally, it is a safe assumption that any diddlomatics coming out of nsa are highly engineered to bypass automatic detection
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> 'Andy confirmed that Coverity does not spot the heartbleed flaw and said that it remained stubborn even when they tweaked various analysis settings.' << Can't spot heartbleed because custom OpenSSL malloc
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the basic concept that must be understood is that c/cpp are entirely impossible to 'reason' about mechanically
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-06-2015#1151908 << it was mentioned, came to this same problem
assbot: Logged on 02-06-2015 22:35:55; jurov: but then the bytes would be shuffled, not bits reversed
asciilifeform: due to the way pointer arithmetic works
BingoBoingo: custom OpenSSL malloc and its impenatrability is why OpenBSD forked LibreSSL
asciilifeform: languages where a program is intended to be 'rationated' by means of machine, tend to be agonizingly restrictive
asciilifeform: !s ada ravenscar
assbot: 0 results for 'ada ravenscar' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=ada+ravenscar
asciilifeform: !s ravenscar
assbot: 0 results for 'ravenscar' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=ravenscar
decimation: I thought it was SPARK
decimation: http://spinroot.com/p10/ < 10 rules for safety critical code
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decimation: bitcoin violates nearly all of them
asciilifeform: decimation: 'ravenscar' is a yet-more-bsdm-ish spark
decimation: heh awesome
mircea_popescu: Limit functions to no more than 60 lines of text. << 60 because why. my screen fits 24.
asciilifeform: l0l now we learn that mircea_popescu programs in turboc
decimation: heh yeah that's kinda arbitrary
decimation: but still, not a bad idea to break code into 'paragraphs'
decimation: asciilifeform: I would be willing to make the trade to some kind of fascist ada if I could be assured that the tools would detect nearly all detectablle bugs
decimation: !up kalki
asciilifeform: decimation: one of the reasons why such environments are unpopular is that, once people are rid of 'bugs from the fingers', they are left face to face with 'bugs in the head'
kalki: thx decimation
assbot: Logged on 02-06-2015 23:21:22; jurov: http://www.eulorum.org/Gameplay << this is literally all I have figured out after hours of gameplay.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-06-2015#1152011 << the converse is a safe assumption. shitgnomes are more than happy to tell you the "meta" story of what happened, which is characteristically light on any sort of useful or usable anything.
assbot: Logged on 02-06-2015 23:25:27; danielpbarron: i assumed anything that he might have read that pointed to this channel would have also linked to the real phuctor but yeah ok
decimation: asciilifeform: aye, precisely. but those 'bugs in head' are the primary concern of a programmer, presumably
asciilifeform: actually it is worth pointing out that most of the newsturds specifically -did not- link to phuctor
mircea_popescu: as if reality were contusive or something. which, i suppose it actually is for their ilk
asciilifeform: or to mircea_popescu's www
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform reason actually related to the " one of the reasons why such environments are unpopular"
decimation: http://codemonkey.org.uk/2014/08/05/linux-316-coverity-stats/ < dave jones (of linux kernel fame) is trying to use coverity to fix kernel bugs
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-06-2015#1152021 << 4096 bits (~ 400 digits long) is the size of the key.
assbot: Logged on 02-06-2015 23:27:20; alphonse23_: does 4096 refer to the max size of one of the primes. or the primes multiplied togetheR?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: note that typical derprogrammer likes to sit down on a soft cushion of 'it doesn't work because i surely made a small mistake', rather than the hard concrete of 'it is broken because i am illiterate' --- or the sharp pine stake of 'because i am a moron'
decimation: asciilifeform: note that most of the 'news outlets' cut and paste the errors of other outlets
BingoBoingo: <decimation> asciilifeform: note that most of the 'news outlets' cut and paste the errors of other outlets << How do you score qntra on this scale?
decimation: qntra seems to have original content generally
decimation: although at times can be a bit rambling
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform today i had to look into mod security. which somehow didn't run, tho it was included in apache. which needed to be recompiled. which failed. do you happen to have any idea what apache's like incidentally ?
mircea_popescu: apache is a lot like bitcoin, actually.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is an ancient horror, yes
decimation: why is it so complicated to shit stuff on port 80
mircea_popescu: apache may be the worst codebase ever written
mircea_popescu: which reminds me of a bit of idiocy, brb
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nah, the old netscape crud (from which we get 'mozilla' et al) is probably worse
mircea_popescu: EXACTLY what it reminded me of. one sec.
mircea_popescu: "Before Borland's new spreadsheet for Windows shipped, Philippe Kahn, the colorful founder of Borland, was quoted a lot in the press bragging about how Quattro Pro would be much better than Microsoft Excel, because it was written from scratch. All new source code! As if source code rusted."
mircea_popescu: "The idea that new code is better than old is patently absurd. Old code has been used. It has been tested. Lots of bugs have been found, and they've been fixed. There's nothing wrong with it. It doesn't acquire bugs just by sitting around on your hard drive. Au contraire, baby! Is software supposed to be like an old Dodge Dart, that rusts just sitting in the garage? Is software like a teddy bear that's kind of gross if
mircea_popescu: it's not made out of all new material?"
mircea_popescu: the idea that new code is better than old IS NOT patently absurd when the old code was writen by unaware idiots.
mircea_popescu: like netscape was. like apache was. "but mp... it works!"
mircea_popescu: fuck your mother with a clay pot.
mircea_popescu: "Back to that two page function. Yes, I know, it's just a simple function to display a window, but it has grown little hairs and stuff on it and nobody knows why. Well, I'll tell you why: those are bug fixes. One of them fixes that bug that Nancy had when she tried to install the thing on a computer that didn't have Internet Explorer. Another one fixes that bug that occurs in low memory conditions. Another one fixes th
mircea_popescu: at bug that occurred when the file is on a floppy disk and the user yanks out the disk in the middle. That LoadLibrary call is ugly but it makes the code work on old versions of Windows 95."
mircea_popescu: imagine the world these spreadsheet pushers live in.
asciilifeform: they live in microshitland
asciilifeform: where even this is not enough, and they leave nop sleds (yes) in the binaries, for hot-patching (and virii)
decimation: you see the programmers are too busy 'delivering' to think about issues like 'why is the whole thing a peice of shit'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19000 @ 0.00033001 = 6.2702 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: to be fair, most often these folks are of the 'ours is not to question why, ours is but to do and die' (TM) (R) variety.
mircea_popescu: thing is... i might be the only suit that can tell the difference between bad and good code, on account of being the only suit that is also literate. as in, literature-literate.
decimation: and also, they generally profit at the end of the day
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, it is readily observable and quite visible.
decimation: it 'works', they 'made money', who is to question?
asciilifeform: folks who start to 'question why' begin to have trouble with the 'do and die'
asciilifeform: and either starve or eventually find a way to leave the profession.
BingoBoingo should prolly get new suits next year
BingoBoingo: !up gabriel_laddel
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29893 @ 0.00032747 = 9.7891 BTC [-]
decimation: http://codemonkey.org.uk/2015/03/13/lsfmm-2015-recap/ < lol . Josef did touch on one area that btrfs does still suck, which apparently is database workloads (iirc, due to the copy-on-write nature of btrfs). The spurious ENOSPC failures of the past should hopefully stay in the past. Things generally on the up and up.
decimation: (Though, this does include the linecount, which has now passed 100KLOC, more than double that of XFS or ext*. Scary).
gabriel_laddel: ty BingoBoingo
BingoBoingo: btrfs is pretty much doomed to suck. Reiser of FFS ftw
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel how's the os business.
decimation: yeah, people need to read the 'end-to-end principle'
decimation: shoving shit into the lower layers of the conceptual stack just ends up causing pain and suffering
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: still don't have funding, but coming along
gabriel_laddel: re:not rewriting code, the story of CMUCL and its transformation into SBCL is quite pertinent
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152160 gpg --encrypt --armor -r <yourname> hit enter then put whatever passwords in there, hit ctrl-d and save the output.
assbot: Logged on 03-06-2015 00:40:32; alphonse23_: I've actually been meaning to start using a key locker or something
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42845 @ 0.00033314 = 14.2734 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29499 @ 0.00033722 = 9.9477 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152192 << there still doesn't exist an eulora gentoo guide, for instance.
assbot: Logged on 03-06-2015 01:20:00; danielpbarron: once it's working it's quite nice
mircea_popescu: that "once" may well be bridge too far for many practical applications.
gabriel_laddel: mod6: I have a *working* funtoo install guide, which is for all intents and purposes the same as gentoo
gabriel_laddel: it has been tested twice, is solid
mod6: feel free to send it my way.
gabriel_laddel: !s system.html
assbot: 10 results for 'system.html' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=system.html
mod6: i'll try it out. i hosed up my grub; haven't had a chance to tinker/rebuild yet.
gabriel_laddel: Section #2, Installing
mircea_popescu: " This is a time consuming PITA. "
mircea_popescu: i feel encouraged.
gabriel_laddel: it'll eat an entire day
gabriel_laddel: hence, I reccomend waiting on the automated install
gabriel_laddel: but if mod6 is in need of something that works, well - there it is
mircea_popescu: "If your system's date and time are too far off (typically by months or years,) then it may prevent Portage from properly downloading source tarballs. "
mircea_popescu: motherfucker.
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: yeah, portage needs to die - 70k loc, python.
mircea_popescu: it's just... why the fuck would the color of your blouse decide whether it rains that day
mod6: thanks, just took a look. im not even sure my problems are gentoo related exactly. i think i have a good /etc/fstab. and i /think/ my partition table was setup correctly with fdisk. this pos box had win7 on it, im guessing it's MBR and not EFI.
decimation: possibly because it tries to download timestamped files?
decimation: on the other hand, how hard would it be to use ntpdate first
gabriel_laddel: why would it need to download timestamped files?
mod6: but when i boot up, i get "grub2> " prompt and then shit like this: "(hd0) (hd0,msdos1) (hd0,msdos2) (hd0,msdos3) (hd0,msdos4) (fd0)"
mod6: well, after an `ls` at the grub prompt anyway.
mod6: i basically created a livecd, did everything as instructed through the gentoo handbook.
decimation: I donno, I didn't program it. I still remember cursing portage a decade ago while recompiling X again
gabriel_laddel: mod6: I'd compare your fdisk -l /dev/sda with the contents of /etc/fstab
mod6: gabriel_laddel: werd. it /seems/ right. but like I said, maybe another look will tell the tale. i'll be checking it out more tomorrow.
decimation: mod6: creating an 'installer' that will work on abitrary hardware is not easy at all
mod6: if all else fails, i'll give your guide a shot.
mircea_popescu: decimation it's due to the cert business.
decimation: ah makes sense
mircea_popescu: because god fucking forbid you download pgp signed matter and verify it locally
mircea_popescu: nu-uh, gotta pki the shit.
decimation: heh, well gpg has the same issue
mircea_popescu: all-the-wrong-things (tm)
decimation: I tend to agree that expiration dates don't belong on keys
decimation: keys can expire
mircea_popescu: key expiring has nothing to do with verifying material they produced tho
decimation: key expiration is kinda like the 'colored coins' idea
decimation: no it does not
mircea_popescu: heh i guess so
decimation: but nevertheless someone thought they should program a check for the expiration date on the pki cert
decimation: and/or "it couldn't possibly be valid if my wall-clock says so"
mircea_popescu: it's just this entire frantic activity as a cover-up for impotence.
mircea_popescu: retarded people who do not belong in front of a computer try their darndest to "make it secure" but have no fucking idea what that is
mircea_popescu: so they just throw things at it. "Can't hurt, right ?" "test more things"
mircea_popescu: "nobody can say we're not hard at work over here"
decimation: well, computers are fundamentally impotent, especially w.r.t. security
decimation: and poor quality hardware implementations
decimation: lots of ultimately fruitless activity triggered by both of those
gabriel_laddel: mod6: fyi, if you follow that funtoo install guide and don't use the masamune-specific replacements you'll end up with a binary kernel (funtoo has already started decaying) - make sure you use the KERNEL section of system.html if nothing else
gabriel_laddel: also, I've a frozen stage3 tarball you may want to use
decimation: I thought funtoo used rhel kernels
gabriel_laddel: decimation: debian
gabriel_laddel: by default anyhow
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel if you're going to be doing code preservation you prolly want to hash and deed like i did on the eulora binaries for nvidia drivers.
trinque: gabriel_laddel: PSA that deedbot likes to eat manifests
trinque: heh
gabriel_laddel: alrighty
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4950 @ 0.00032569 = 1.6122 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: In other news, training to get into shape for boxing training is progressing nicely. 80 pushups yesterday... May be able to try a boxing gym next year. Would be nice if I could line it up with USian exodus
trinque: BingoBoingo: have a destination yet?
mircea_popescu: 80 pushups ?!
mod6: gabriel_laddel: ok thanks for the heads up
mircea_popescu: can you do any chinups yet ?
BingoBoingo: trinque: Maybe mexico city or Makati
trinque: cool
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Doing dumbell rows to get the strength to get to chinups/pullups. In the interim cutting weight to make that stuff easier.
BingoBoingo: !up gabriel_laddel
BingoBoingo: brb, seeing if I can do chin ups
Landgull: Bingo - if central America looks good to you/you speak Spanish, south America is also a good place to flee to.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152414 << portage fetches many things from version control systems of various sorts (cvs, svn, git, mercurial, etc, ..., etc) and these typically barf when clock is wildly off
assbot: Logged on 03-06-2015 03:25:03; mircea_popescu: "If your system's date and time are too far off (typically by months or years,) then it may prevent Portage from properly downloading source tarballs. "
asciilifeform: ('woah you're downloading from tehfyootor!!111!1'
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-06-2015#1152425 << aha, the 'xorg' thing. shitgnomatics pure & simple
assbot: Logged on 03-06-2015 03:27:28; decimation: I donno, I didn't program it. I still remember cursing portage a decade ago while recompiling X again
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if every time i went to buy a quart of milk the teller asked me what time it is...
mircea_popescu: i'd prolly just go back to a life of murder.
BingoBoingo: Landgull: I'd like to travel though as nobody
BingoBoingo: And no, not chin-up in shape yet
Landgull: If you're avoiding the US, you want to establish at the very least legal permanent residence, and proof of it somewhere else, for the tax exemption.
BingoBoingo: Landgull: Atm USia isn't so bad because I have nothing.
asciilifeform: i beg to differ, it's pretty bad with nothing
BingoBoingo: But as that changes situation will get moar desperate
asciilifeform: perhaps my nothings are different from BingoBoingo's ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Our scales may be differently calibrated.
trinque: my life's pretty good, but as long as I'm here I'm no better than a happy citizen of the reich
Landgull: Fair enough. I established Paraguayan legal residency a while back as a way to 1) have legal residence in a 0% tax area and 2) have a guaranteed place I'm allowed to go if the world suddenly decides that it doesn't really want Americans hanging about.
asciilifeform: Landgull: how do you plan to get there? glider ?
asciilifeform: i recently learned, to some surprise, that ru is now a destination for immigrants
Landgull: They can't ban flights in and out of the US, that would strangle the beast.
BingoBoingo: My nothing consists of an ongoing misdemeanor legal case that constrains my travel (2 years nao) and older relatives I help to keep out of the nursing home.
asciilifeform: (but same problem as anywhere else - what to eat)
asciilifeform: !s republikflucht
assbot: 10 results for 'republikflucht' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=republikflucht
trinque: only possible (and certainly not easy) solution seems to be to establish bitcoin revenue streams, and *in time*
trinque: that and coffee wake me up in the morning
asciilifeform: trinque: another solution is to discover cold fusion, interstellar engine, or time travel
trinque: nobody ever once started a business and made any money
asciilifeform: business without any geographic peg at all? sure, some
asciilifeform: but rounds to 0.
Landgull: Or to go to places where you can live comfortably on ~$500-750 a month, and teach English.
trinque: Landgull: *mandarin :P
asciilifeform: Landgull: why do you imagine anyone will pay you this to teach english
trinque: I have a buddy learning that now
asciilifeform: esp. after u.s. is done
Landgull: Well, by the time the US is done, you should have found some way to integrate yourself into the local community.
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: korea
BingoBoingo: Landgull: Understand most places where teaching English for money is a thing are awfully xenophobic to white people as residents. Like Korea.
Landgull: Bingo: Go to Georgia - your visitor's visa is good for 360 days out of 365 (take a trip across a border to anywhere, or just give someone a $10 bribe) and English is becoming the new state language, replacing Russian, so native English speakers are in demand.
Landgull: CIS countries aren't exactly paradise, but if you want out, there are plenty of ways out.
BingoBoingo: Landgull: I've got ideas, just working on means of execution. Georgia doesn't seem like a good fit.
Landgull: Fair enough. I haven't been to Georgia yet, I'm hoping to visit sometime in the next few months.
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