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mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-06-2015#1149352 on one hand, they're talking to a crowd, and for that particular crowd talking sense means you lose. why the fuck they imagine against plainly obvious reality that it still matters or can help them is besides the point here. on the other hand, they don't want to help. formulating cogent criticisms is helping.
assbot: Logged on 01-06-2015 02:54:08; asciilifeform: imho one of the most perplexing things about 'anti-bitcoin' agitators is how they all - to a man - miss the most cogent argument against bitcoin: it being, how it is implemented
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-06-2015#1149357 << you must have missed the story about the powerless airbus because java.
assbot: Logged on 01-06-2015 02:55:51; asciilifeform: most folks have had some (albeit unconscious) encounters with it - riding airplanes, etc
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-06-2015#1149360 << nothing worth the mention was ever done by anything but hobbysts. they do flight. "industry" and so on does the f-35.
assbot: Logged on 01-06-2015 02:59:32; decimation: certainly not by hobbyists
decimation: that's a point, but there's a world of difference between a flying bicycle and a fancy jet
mircea_popescu: "In a short notice published last month, the National Institute for Standards and Technology (NIST) announced it was retiring a number of Federal Information Processing Standards (FIPS) because they were obsolete. Notably, that list of retirements includes FIPS-185."
mircea_popescu: and someone somewhere still naively proposes the nist be taken as anything but the goskomstat ?
mircea_popescu: decimation the jet is merely a derivative work off hobbysts stuff
decimation: in fact if you would have zapped an f-35 back to kitty hawk, nc the wright brothers would have just given up
mircea_popescu: in this case, henry coanda.
mircea_popescu: decimation o, they would, would they ?
decimation: 'derivative' in the sense that the wright flyer had almost zero in common, other than they were both flying things
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45900 @ 0.00033067 = 15.1778 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: i said coanda
decimation: the wright brothers almost immediately began selling to usg
decimation: who else is gonna pay for the sun
hanbot: hey mod6 well done on the foundation report. clearly & intelligibly conveys the ample and useful work being done.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50232 @ 0.00033596 = 16.8759 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: ;;google 1 exahash
gribble: What does one exahash look like? | StandardCrypto: <http://blog.standardcrypto.com/2013/09/17/what-does-one-exahash-look-like/>; BitBet - BTC network hashrate will exceed 1 Exahash/s before June ...: <https://bitbet.us/bet/1074/btc-network-hashrate-will-exceed-1-exahash-s-before/>; BitcoinBrothers - GetHashing Crypto Community Forum: (1 more message)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62850 @ 0.00033897 = 21.3043 BTC [+] {4}
mod6: thx hanbot :]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21000 @ 0.00034015 = 7.1432 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15150 @ 0.00033335 = 5.0503 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40900 @ 0.00034015 = 13.9121 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44800 @ 0.00033201 = 14.874 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21350 @ 0.00034015 = 7.2622 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55077 @ 0.00033039 = 18.1969 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27539 @ 0.00032955 = 9.0755 BTC [-]
mats: i miss assbot titles
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20891 @ 0.00032937 = 6.8809 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: !up chalbersma
BingoBoingo: !up liquidassets
liquidassets: ;;rate BingoBoingo leader of men, helped me get started with gpg, knows how to write a headline!
gribble: Error: 'leader' is not a valid integer.
liquidassets: ;;rate BingoBoingo 1 leader of men, helped me get started with gpg, knows how to write a headline!
gribble: Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14073 @ 0.00032792 = 4.6148 BTC [-]
chalbersma: Hello all. It's been too long.
BingoBoingo: It really has
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58900 @ 0.00033992 = 20.0213 BTC [+] {2}
chalbersma: How have things been?
BingoBoingo: not too bad
chalbersma: Good to hear.
liquidassets: chalbersma can you tell me about atc P2Pool ?
chalbersma: Sure what do you wish to know?
BingoBoingo: !UP liquidassets
liquidassets: thanks
liquidassets: chalbersma mining is foreign to me, do you make the nodes? how do you become a client?
liquidassets: !s ATC
assbot: 1216 results for 'ATC' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=ATC
chalbersma: So with P2Pool the idea is that you will run a mining "pool" that share's it's load with other mining "pools". There a cryptographic chain keeping track of work so that you can't cheat or mine a block and then keep it. So in the end instead of having one centralized plae where all the mining work is kept you get the benefits of the pool with bitcoin like decentralization.
chalbersma: In this case I forked the bitcoin p2pool implementation (https://github.com/forrestv/p2pool) added a better interface and ported it over to ATC pool (under the hoods it're really just a couple of lines).
chalbersma: Think is I don't think that anybody is actually using ATC P2Pool implementation anymore. The contract for the build had 1 month of runtime and then MP and Ragnar I believe ran the p2pool node for a while. But ATC didn't seem to catch on that much.
chalbersma: Yes at the time they had a big problem with the network effect. Difficulty had skyrocketed because of some market movement that made it (temporarily) more profitable to mine than bitcoin.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33674 @ 0.00034015 = 11.4542 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Well, it was just the difficulty cycling. For a while it was manageable, but eventually swings were uncontainable
liquidassets: thanks for sharing, so what was unique about the fork, just the interface?
BingoBoingo: Oh it was pretty much just bitcoin with some different numbers
chalbersma: Fork of P2Pool or ATC?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8600 @ 0.0003333 = 2.8664 BTC [-]
liquidassets: What is ATC I can't find a reference
liquidassets: So ATC is a specific pool of miners?
BingoBoingo: liquidassets: ATC was... Altcoin
BingoBoingo: atc.blockr.io
liquidassets: an altcoin named Altcoin?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54533 @ 0.0003333 = 18.1758 BTC [-]
mats: so meta
liquidassets: so you're responsible
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.00034015 = 1.9048 BTC [+]
punkman: asciilifeform: decimation: if you didn't verify the entire blockchain from end to end, you aren't a node! << this will be fun to do because of all the different openssl versions that have shat on the blockchain. iirc the thing skips verification of whole blocks and then relies on verifying a single (checkpoint) block.
punkman: and when I tried to verify all of them, it blew up before block 150k
cazalla: lol australian housing bubble keeps on going.. place not far from here auctioned on weekend.. i figured it'd go for 600k maybe 650k.. sells for 971k http://www.realestate.com.au/property-house-vic-ringwood-119702667
BingoBoingo: 3 bed, 2 bath?
cazalla: what.. one million isn't reasonable for that?
BingoBoingo: In this part of USia a freestanding house of that size would more prominently be advertsising... vast tracts of land...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71250 @ 0.00034042 = 24.2549 BTC [+] {3}
cazalla: prob isn't working class people buying it but the chinese.. a lot of foreign investment of aussie housing is coming from china past few years, thought is that they dont mind paying huge premiums just to get their money outta there
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15723 @ 0.0003333 = 5.2405 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39550 @ 0.00032904 = 13.0135 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: Ah, stamp collecting
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8126 @ 0.000329 = 2.6735 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19800 @ 0.00032819 = 6.4982 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12801 @ 0.00032835 = 4.2032 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29750 @ 0.00033038 = 9.8288 BTC [+] {2}
jurov: http://www.edwards.af.mil/shared/media/photodb/photos/2015/03/150322-F-EU155-480.jpg lol around here "aircraft" denotes ponzi or sketchy enterprise
jurov: !mpif
assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021372 B (Total: 467.36 B). Delta: 0.18 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.000207 BTC [+]
jurov: ! m f.mpif
jurov: !t m f.mpif
assbot: [MPEX:F.MPIF] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: / / ( shares, BTC), 30D: 0.000206 / 0.00020666 / 0.000207 (89560 shares, 18.51 BTC)
jurov: ;;calc 21372/1.01
gribble: 21160.3960396
jurov: ;;calc 21372*1.01
gribble: 21585.72
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35813 @ 0.00033192 = 11.8871 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4507 @ 0.00033192 = 1.496 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79644 @ 0.00032717 = 26.0571 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45908 @ 0.00032898 = 15.1028 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52792 @ 0.00033607 = 17.7418 BTC [+]
deedbot-: accepted: 1
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24850 @ 0.0003263 = 8.1086 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41521 @ 0.00033616 = 13.9577 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39500 @ 0.00034236 = 13.5232 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.00032481 = 2.6634 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: lol ddosing trilema etc, srsly ?
BingoBoingo: !up devthedev
BingoBoingo: !s RNG
assbot: 378 results for 'RNG' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=RNG
BingoBoingo: !up bitcoinalpha
bitcoinalpha: mircea popescu is a lowlife scumbag
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78250 @ 0.00034005 = 26.6089 BTC [+] {3}
bitcoinalpha: what are you going to do about gavincoin?
mircea_popescu: not give a shit ?
mircea_popescu: same thing i did about doge, keisercoin, auroracoin, younameitcoin
mircea_popescu: bitcoin has no shortage of satoshi impersonators trying to push scamcoins.
bitcoinalpha: mircea: comment about the 30% price decline ?
bitcoinalpha: since jan 1
mircea_popescu: i think reddit awaits you.
mircea_popescu: !down bitcoinalpha
assbot: Logged on 01-06-2015 07:22:44; mats: i miss assbot titles
assbot: Logged on 01-06-2015 09:10:39; punkman: asciilifeform: decimation: if you didn't verify the entire blockchain from end to end, you aren't a node! << this will be fun to do because of all the different openssl versions that have shat on the blockchain. iirc the thing skips verification of whole blocks and then relies on verifying a single (checkpoint) block.
mircea_popescu: but they were disallowed from actually taking the next step, ie, make blocks unverifiable.
mircea_popescu: atm the whole chain still verifies if you care to.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-06-2015#1149518 << obviously, you can't use the scam bitcoind versions for this purpose.
assbot: Logged on 01-06-2015 09:11:43; punkman: and when I tried to verify all of them, it blew up before block 150k
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-06-2015#1149524 << pretty much exactly. argentine housing bubble is supported by the fact that locals can't get their money out, so they buy real estate "for investment", ie, way overpriced.
assbot: Logged on 01-06-2015 09:40:31; cazalla: prob isn't working class people buying it but the chinese.. a lot of foreign investment of aussie housing is coming from china past few years, thought is that they dont mind paying huge premiums just to get their money outta there
punkman: mircea_popescu: atm the whole chain still verifies if you care to. << has anyone actually accomplished this? verify every single transaction and block to date?
mircea_popescu: get say the foundation bitcoin, do it yourself.
punkman: my test was with foundation bitcoind before the release though
punkman: maybe I had wrong openssl version, dunno
mircea_popescu: which was this ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30100 @ 0.00034289 = 10.321 BTC [+]
punkman: which this?
mircea_popescu: " foundation bitcoind before the release"
punkman: I think I put in all the patches currently listed on thebitcoin.foundation front page, except perhaps static-makefile.tar.gz. And used whatever openssl etc that was present on my debian7 system.
punkman: 0.5.3.1-RELEASE doesn't verify everything, needs removal of the conditional that skips blocks
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38003 @ 0.00032128 = 12.2096 BTC [-] {2}
punkman: !up shinohai
shinohai: thx punkman
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20447 @ 0.00031823 = 6.5068 BTC [-]
shinohai: mod6 when you return, wanted to let you know I built without the irc peer discovery and it works nice.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Is the qntra server under DoS?
mircea_popescu: 256 requests currently being processed, 0 idle workers
mircea_popescu: RWWRWCRWWWRWCWWRCWCCCWWCWRRRCWWWWWCCWCCCWWCRCWWWWCCWRWWWRRWCRRWC
mircea_popescu: RWRWRWWWWRRRRCWWWCCRRWCWWWRRWRRWRRWCWCWRWWRRWRWRRWRRCWRCRWCCWRRW
mircea_popescu: CWRRCWRWRCRRWRWWWWWCCCWRCWWWWWWRWCRWWCRRWCRRWCWWWRWRCWCRCCWCRRWW
mircea_popescu: RWWWRWWRWRRCWCRWCWWWCCWRWRWCCWRCWWRCWWWRWWRRWWCWWCRCRWRWRCCWCCCW
mircea_popescu: sorta deal >D
mircea_popescu: anyway, server's fine, just slow.
mircea_popescu: i prefer this, because it drains the attacker.
mircea_popescu: and besides... servers made for workin neh ? 100% capacity ftw.
mircea_popescu: 142 requests/sec sounds pretty good anyway.
BingoBoingo: Ah, cool
mircea_popescu: check it out, lazar revived.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67550 @ 0.00031817 = 21.4924 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-06-2015#1149602 << and kept what? the hardcoded ip seeds, of which 2 or 3 are alive? the hardcoded dns seeds, controlled by the enemy? srsly
assbot: Logged on 01-06-2015 13:55:14; shinohai: mod6 when you return, wanted to let you know I built without the irc peer discovery and it works nice.
asciilifeform: the irc mechanism is perhaps the only built-in seed thing worth keeping
shinohai: No one has given me any "trusted" nodes yet.
asciilifeform: shinohai: irc gives next best thing: 100% pre-gavinization nodes
shinohai: how does that work?
asciilifeform: shinohai: irc seeding was snipped from the gavin branch long ago
shinohai: I know it was removed, but when I last spoke to mod6 I think he told me to just connect normally for now
asciilifeform: what is 'normally' ?
shinohai: To whatever peers it connects to instead of specifying ip's
shinohai: But yes, I see the point. Perhaps irc is the best way to find non-gavinized nodes.
asciilifeform: currently best.
asciilifeform: stands to reason that once enemy engages he'll begin to spam the remaining irc seed chans - or even backport mechanism to his branch
asciilifeform: but at present time this has not happened.
shinohai: So is it possible to change the *network* it connects to, to one under your control ?
shinohai: Or is that a moot point
asciilifeform: go, change.
asciilifeform: !up shinohai
shinohai: I have that same line already ?
asciilifeform: well yes
asciilifeform: but question was 'how to change network it connects to', no ?
shinohai: Twas a theoretical question, supposing the original network is spammed/compromised.
shinohai reverts changes
deedbot-: Bad URL or network outage.
deedbot-: accepted: 1
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54624 @ 0.00031571 = 17.2453 BTC [-] {3}
deedbot-: accepted: 1
jurov: williamdunne: it can perhaps accept multiple urls
jurov: mod6, good job with the report!
jurov: "This is to certify that any person with a WoT account in assbot's L2 list that can show proof their property was confiscated through the direct or indirect workings of the soi-dissant "Executive Order" issued April 1st, 2015 by the criminal group illegally misidentifying itself as "government of the United States" will receive a 1 (one) Bitcoin compensation on the spot
jurov: and as progressing confiscation and dispossession of real estates, chattels and intangibles currently held without right by the aforementioned criminal group allows, further compensation to satisfy at least five times the value of property lost at the time the loss occurred.
davout: !up Relos
Relos: thanks
jurov: !up referredbyloper
Relos: how do you guys propose to increase the node count?
davout: Relos: you have some log reading to do obviously
jurov: Relos are you aware of pogoplug development?
davout: !s pogo
assbot: 491 results for 'pogo' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=pogo
davout: Relos: come back when you've investigated that
davout: bye!
davout: !down Relos
mircea_popescu: !up Landgull
Landgull: Thanks. So is someone seriously trying to DDOS a philosophy blog?
Landgull: Isn't that, essentially, an admission that you're right?
jurov: davout hasn't waken up well?
williamdunne: jurov: I don't own Deedbot
jurov: williamdunne: sorry, mixed it up
williamdunne: Thats fine:)
davout: jurov: no no, it's just some guy that was asking questions about "what's mpex proposing regarding block size", told him to come ask, now he has some elements of answer
jurov: Landgull don't feed mircea's ego, it's big enough already :DD
mod6: thx jurov :]
shinohai: 140k blocks to go ....
Landgull: Hey, I didn't say he was right - just that someone with a botnet thinks he's right.
jurov: lolk
Landgull: Also: Remarkably apropos that such an executive order would be on April 1st...
referredbyloper: Thinking about this block size discussion in light of this text "The cancer of bureaucracy: How it will destroy science, medicine, education; and eventually everything else" http://gen.lib.rus.ec/scimag/index.php?s=The%20cancer%20of%20bureaucracy:%20how%20it%20will%20destroy%20science,%20medicine,%20education;%20and%20eventually%20everything%20else
jurov: "Could not connect to the database: User 'scimag_read' has exceeded the 'max_user_connections' resource (current value: 40)"
mod6: <+shinohai> To whatever peers it connects to instead of specifying ip's << hi! glad you're having some success,.. I thought we added ascii's dns snip patch? Or did I mis-remember that? you did have to use "addnode=" in your bitcoin.conf right?
mircea_popescu: Landgull the internet consists among other things of millions of unparented children.
mircea_popescu: they still need parenting, even if nobody can be arsed to provide for them. so they beg as best they can.
mod6: !up shinohai
mod6: eh, i must be stale again
Landgull: Well sure, but kids don't waste their time on things they don't care about. You don't see them pulling pigtails because they think a girl is ugly.
mircea_popescu: i would guess it'd depend just how desperate they are.
Landgull: Eh, anyone who has tried to censor tends to find themselves outlived by the works they're trying to censor, if history is any guide.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 168 @ 0.006 = 1.008 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: this is more like the equivalent of dog sniffing.
mircea_popescu: it figures it owes it to itself to come sniff you because hey, IT EXISTS!!1
mircea_popescu: did you think it didn't exist ? don't you DARE THINK IT DOESNT EXIST OMYGAWD!!1
Landgull: Ahh.
Landgull: At any rate, I've been reading the logs for a bit and I like the kind of discussion that seems to happen in here, so I thought I'd say hi.
shinohai: This is about the only place that isn't an echo chamber anymore sadly.
Landgull: Mmm, echo chambers only matter to politicians pandering to votes, though. Or 50%+1 attacks via democracy, I suppose.
BingoBoingo: !up Landgull
Landgull: Thanks.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18700 @ 0.00033088 = 6.1875 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48750 @ 0.00033145 = 16.1582 BTC [+] {2}
jurov: !t m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00030494 / 0.00032685 / 0.00034289 (2527042 shares, 825.98 BTC), 7D: 0.00027782 / 0.0003109 / 0.00035229 (23430932 shares, 7,284.73 BTC), 30D: 0.00019511 / 0.00026678 / 0.00035229 (133425037 shares, 35,596.45 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 193141 @ 0.0003399 = 65.6486 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17459 @ 0.00034373 = 6.0012 BTC [+]
Landgull: So why is it that all of the sudden I'm hearing about people wanting to put everything and their cat in the blockchain? Is it actually a good idea, or is it just a way to attack/overwhelm the network?
mircea_popescu: this isn't new.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: drowning
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42403 @ 0.00032996 = 13.9913 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6297 @ 0.0003243 = 2.0421 BTC [-]
trinque: Landgull: dunno about everything and their cat, but putting cryptographic hashes in the blockchain is a marvelous idea
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7819 @ 0.00033413 = 2.6126 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: the redditards are clusterfucking into a pitchfork mob now?!?
BingoBoingo: nah, they are pitchfuckingforks into a clustermob.
williamdunne: They're square-jerking circular-pitchforks in the middle of a Block Chain authenticated cluster-chain
danielpbarron: !up shinohai
shinohai: o/ danielpbarron
danielpbarron: hi who are you?
shinohai: Just a random user that has chosen his side on this silly BS increase war.
thestringpuller: not a war yet
thestringpuller: but axetime soon
shinohai: I like to be prepared for all contingencies.
thestringpuller: well only new fork coins will take losses.
thestringpuller: cause old coin can be cloned to the fork
shinohai: I "almost" have a node up.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79500 @ 0.00031865 = 25.3327 BTC [-] {4}
BingoBoingo: !up hulkhogan_
BingoBoingo: !up joesmoe
shinohai: qntra.net is back up for me \o/
danielpbarron: !v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.shinohai.1:90bf716226dda3c5a21ef3c856b0cbdefbf7e153a88a194e3cfcce9da785f377
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for shinohai with note: fresh meat bitcoind hacker
shinohai: thanks
williamdunne: You're now in L2 of Assbot and can !up yourself
danielpbarron: !up ascii_field
danielpbarron: !up bitcoinfailed
jurov: shinohai: don't forget other goodies like put deeds, send email to btc-dev mailing list (once it syncs with assbot)
bitcoinfailed: is anyone even trading on the mpex exchange?
bitcoinfailed: or is it still just bots and mircea
bitcoinfailed: why did mpex stop listing calls/puts?
danielpbarron: i think there's a blog post about that
danielpbarron: why don't you go and read the log
bitcoinfailed: from pornographer popescu
bitcoinfailed: why dont you fuck off and tell me instead.
bitcoinfailed: that what the chat for
danielpbarron: !down bitcoinfailed
ben_vulpes: !up bitcoinfailed
assbot: Logged on 01-06-2015 14:53:54; mod6: <+shinohai> To whatever peers it connects to instead of specifying ip's << hi! glad you're having some success,.. I thought we added ascii's dns snip patch? Or did I mis-remember that? you did have to use "addnode=" in your bitcoin.conf right?
ben_vulpes: tiberius, is that you?
shinohai: np jurov, I signed up for mailing list last week
mod6: <+ascii_field> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-06-2015#1149686 << afaik it was never merged << it wasn't. but I had him apply it while helping him get setup.
assbot: Logged on 01-06-2015 14:53:54; mod6: <+shinohai> To whatever peers it connects to instead of specifying ip's << hi! glad you're having some success,.. I thought we added ascii's dns snip patch? Or did I mis-remember that? you did have to use "addnode=" in your bitcoin.conf right?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes heh just you wait till kid actually showis up.
mircea_popescu: cazalla has the scoop on that
mod6: He was running deb8 on one box, and then stock v0.5.3.1-RELEASE worked fine. but on a seperate instance of deb8, he reported the boost type issues, so I had him follow these instructions: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-April/000082.html
mod6: Then it was working well as far as I know.
ascii_field: mod6: i was simply pointing out that it is not, afaik, part of the official therealbitcoin tree as of yet.
mircea_popescu: jeez check out the butthurt with the redditard crowd.
mircea_popescu: nobody's fault you don't matter, peeps. talk to urmoms.
ascii_field: wai wat
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: what are you reading?
jurov: whole r/bitcoin is like let's move to bitcoin-xt
thestringpuller: yea. everyone is lining up to suck Gavin's dick more eagerly.
thestringpuller: denial before acceptance tho mr. popescu
ascii_field: let'em move to gavincoin, dogecoin, feathercoin
ascii_field: why is this of concern to us ?
thestringpuller: ascii_field: it's entertaining.
mircea_popescu: i think ipmi is the most retarded thing ever invented
mod6: <+ascii_field> mod6: i was simply pointing out that it is not, afaik, part of the official therealbitcoin tree as of yet. << ahh corret.
williamdunne checks, and sees exactly 15 bitcoin-xt nodes
mircea_popescu: "let's make web interface for luser home routers a thing for servers"
mod6: *correct
williamdunne points at cpanel, sorry Mr.Popescu, your billion dollar idea has already been done! Its magical!
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: it's a mandatory usg rapehole; the remote admin thing is just a way to squeeze a bit of marketing juice out of it, since it is already there
mircea_popescu: mandatory how
ascii_field: try buy intel box with ecc support (read: xeon) without it.
mircea_popescu: what's wrong with colocate box with the thing smashed.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: recent 'xeons' won't init unless thing is on the bus and functioning
ascii_field: this was discussed here in the past
mircea_popescu: apparently i've not been paying attention.
williamdunne: Couldn't this be partially solved with a rather stringent firewall policy (off-machine ofc)
mircea_popescu: obviously machine won't listen to you.
mircea_popescu: what's off machine, another machine ?
williamdunne: mYeah, but one not running the same shit
ascii_field: not to mention the fact that it hijacks your nics
ascii_field: and that it is far from certain what precisely the magic packet looks like
mircea_popescu: if you have one not running thre same shit just run that then
jurov: williamdunne: it could accept perfectly ordinary tcp packet
williamdunne: Hardware firewall doesn't run web servers too well..
ascii_field: jurov: sure. i was trying to point out that the answer 'well firewall it off' is not a pill against this kind of thing
williamdunne: So when are we buying those Russian servers?
trinque: the steam computer?
mircea_popescu: lol williamdunne owns #bitcoin-xt ?
ascii_field: williamdunne: afaik they are not sold to public.
ascii_field: but to 'k00l k1dz' only
mircea_popescu: i didn't find a supplier.
williamdunne: I do indeed
ascii_field: afaik nobody's found a supplier.
williamdunne: Hence "For discussion of the bitcoin-xt potentialt"
williamdunne: Cheeky joke in the end there
ascii_field: when do we get 'bitcoin-at' ?
williamdunne: After bitcoin-bh
jurov: no, bitcoin-jr
jurov: :DDD
ascii_field: bitcoin-64
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50667 @ 0.00031932 = 16.179 BTC [+] {2}
thestringpuller: !up ascii_field
williamdunne: Its really amazing what we can do with proper scientific procedures..
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
williamdunne: "And the ‘stinkiest’ people in Europe are French
williamdunne: A new study has officially proved that French are smelly and Dutch, Germans and Scandinavians are the cleanest ones."
jurov: lol they prolly didn't do the study in central/eastern eu
williamdunne: Facebook has added PGP support..
jurov: "All the emails you receive from Facebook will be protected with encryption, ensuring that no one — even NSA or any other spy agency — can read the content of the messages without the access to your private key." rofl
trinque: ...what
trinque: so facebook is a keyserver now
mats: USG discovers american citizens involved in foreign, would-be coup, decides to sell them out to local security rather than dealing with it themselves
ascii_field: mats: i distinctly recall hearing of this before
ascii_field: in one of the old 'failed micronations' threads
williamdunne: Lol, confirmed
williamdunne: Yeah, its a keyserver now..
ascii_field: usg reserves some of its fastest and least-bureaucratized immune reactions for mutinies which might attract u.s. 'men of action'
williamdunne: But yeah, like thats going to combat the NSA
williamdunne: Keyserver thing could be ...kinda useful I guess?
williamdunne has just been flagged to NSA by facebook as someone who uses PGP
mircea_popescu: jurov wait what's that ?
trinque: williamdunne: holy lol @ the idea that them encrypting email to me does *anything*
jurov: mircea_popescu: it's same lulzy "protection" as the facebook gpg stuff
trinque: what they don't have a database now?
williamdunne: trinque: IKR? Pretending that the NSA isn't already embedded 12 inches in their rectum
trinque: bullshit factory produces bullshit, more at 11
trinque: and then google chrome ships a diddled gpg plugin
trinque revels in this new watershed of freedom post-lapse of the patriot act
williamdunne: Which'll require that you import your key..
trinque: of course the browser will need the private key
trinque: for reasons
williamdunne: huehuehue
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trinque: d-did the jews do facebook?
williamdunne: Zucker*burg*
trinque: meine got!
trinque: *mein gott
trinque: well now it all makes sense
williamdunne: USG already pays good money to dell and the likes for information on who buys what from them, and what bitcoin addresses are involved in the transaction
williamdunne: So wouldn't be surprised if they just outright buy facebook's data
trinque: why wouldn't they? isn't that what facebook's business is?
trinque: gather sheep, whore them out?
williamdunne: I thought that was the Kiwis?
trinque: ehehehehe
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williamdunne: ECUREX bragging about being FATCA compliant, top kek
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jurov: mircea_popescu: i see eulora moving, can we talk about release engineering reward?
mircea_popescu: about who ?
jurov: me
mircea_popescu: what is release engineering reward ?
williamdunne: Compiling binaries?
jurov: putting together somehow mostly-reliably working binaries
mircea_popescu: yeah, shoot.
williamdunne: Someone is trying to crowdfund £150,000 to open an airport
jurov: 0.5BTC or 5000 shares per version per platform (linux, osx, windows)
williamdunne: I shit you not
williamdunne: Imma invite them on here
mircea_popescu: !t m s.mg
assbot: [MPEX:S.MG] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: / / ( shares, BTC), 30D: 0.00009 / 0.00009 / 0.00009 (103015 shares, 9.27 BTC)
mircea_popescu: easier to give you btc i think. which windowses can you do ?
jurov: vista+
mircea_popescu: which windowses are even around anymore ? brb looking.
jurov: i don't think win compatibility is major problem
jurov: (xp's are really old, tho)
williamdunne: Win compatibility is actually really good tbh
mircea_popescu: Windows 7  58.39%
mircea_popescu: Windows XP  15.93%
mircea_popescu: Windows 8.1  11.16%
mircea_popescu: can you do these 3 ?
chetty: >>> doubts it will run on xp at all
mircea_popescu: or just 7/8 ?
mircea_popescu: !up flyplymouth
williamdunne: Hello flyplymouth
mircea_popescu: flyplymouth you the dude with the 150k airport ?
jurov: will ask my dude what would entail xp compatibility
flyplymouth: well I am one of them
mircea_popescu: you know, tracking radar is about 100x that
mircea_popescu: chetty why ?
williamdunne: http://www.flyplymouth.com/ How about an MPEX listing mircea?
flyplymouth: Recomissioning is circa £30m
mircea_popescu: jurov what about osx ?
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Biggest thing in their favour is that it was an airport that was closed, doesn't need 100% rebuilding
chetty: graphics drivers
mircea_popescu: chetty nvidia tho.
flyplymouth: Put it into context £7bn for rail-link
mircea_popescu: exactly.
williamdunne: flyplymouth: So raise £150,000, then what?
williamdunne: Also, who is involved and how the hell are they qualified to run an airport?
williamdunne: Seems unlikely that someone who wants to run a social-enterprise is qualified to do anything more than make coffee
jurov: mircea_popescu: looks like it can be snow leoprd and newer
flyplymouth: there has already been pledges of funds £20m to date but this cannot e accessed without the business plan being stress tested. We have done this already but has to be stress tested to Heathrow / Gatwick standards to access serious money (e.g Government etc)
mircea_popescu: jurov which one is that, 7.x ?
mircea_popescu: flyplymouth hoiw is a business planb stress testedf ?
flyplymouth: Ha ha. Social Enterprises take a lot of rap.
jurov: 10.6
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jurov: 7.x is powerpc era :) that would be like another platform completely
flyplymouth: Stress test the business model to see if passenger numbers stack up and ticket prices.
mircea_popescu: jurov ok, so then osx 10.10, win 7 and win 8.1 to start ?
jurov: ok
jurov: and 64bit linux, no?
williamdunne: flyplymouth: In comparison to Exeter how big was Plymouth? Exeter is kinda shit. I prefer just to go to London something
mircea_popescu: jurov these first.
jurov: ok
mircea_popescu: 64/32 bit linux later for the noobs, but give sane people a chance to make their stuff first.
jurov: 1AByKSJ5JUPDhq19xYehNixB1RoM75UX93
flyplymouth: The business model is completey different from Exeter. To be fair Exeter do quite a good job for its size. We'll be smaller planes as a 'connecting airport' so you won't initially get many holiday destinations but it would connect into key cities and hubs.
williamdunne: flyplymouth: Key cities in.... UK or abroad? Tourism isn't much of a concern
flyplymouth: Also we will have some Fixed Based Operators onsite which absorb alot of the running costs.
williamdunne: flyplymouth: And I know business model is different, I meant more along the lines of bandwidth, plane size etc
mircea_popescu: i still don't understand what stress testing a business plan involves.
williamdunne: Super complex simulations
williamdunne: You wouldn't understand MP
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mircea_popescu: apparently not.
mircea_popescu: !up ascii_has_newz
flyplymouth: Business Model so far works on Manchester, London, Glasgow, Dublin (connect to us), Amsterdam. We have submitted 10 destinations for passenger numbers which come back viable.
deedbot-: accepted: 1
mircea_popescu: flyplymouth isn't that primarily an airline concern ?
trinque: oh shit
flyplymouth: Where Plymouth got into trouble in the past was it was reliant on BA flights. We'll set up the flights directly
ascii_has_newz: can't recall if he was one of the magic 98 or not
ascii_has_newz: possibly manually submitted iey
williamdunne: flyplymouth: Not sure how that works, so I won't comment. Anyhow. How do you stress test a business plan?
mircea_popescu: ascii_has_newz yeah he was
williamdunne thinks bringing a business plan here is the best stress test available
mircea_popescu: flyplymouth so wait you're going to be like, an airline with an airport ?
williamdunne: More like an airport with a pet airline I think
williamdunne: Or maybe flogs flight paths off to airlines?
flyplymouth: In aviation terms, they will review passenger journeys to see how many people travelled from Plymouth to the destinations, they will look at plane types and prices paid and give you a report back on whether your calculations make sense.
mircea_popescu: !up Landgull
mircea_popescu: !rate Landgull 1 new bloods
assbot: Landgull is not registered in WoT.
mircea_popescu: Landgull get in the wot already
Landgull: I'm registered with gribble.
Landgull: Do I need to re-register with assbot?
williamdunne: No, you need to register with ass also
mats fires up the gas grill
Landgull: Aha.
williamdunne: flyplymouth: So, why do you need funding to do this?
jurov: Landgull if you regged with btc addy, assbot did not pick you
Landgull: I registered with GPG key.
williamdunne: flyplymouth: (The stress testing)
mircea_popescu: Landgull when ?
flyplymouth: Before you can attract airlines you need to demonstrate passenger demand. There are models used around the UK which almost charter planes to use as an airline. If you have demand / good seat occupancy it works well. This happens in a lot of airports around the UK but planes are badged with other airlines.
Landgull: About two weeks ago.
mircea_popescu: Landgull ^ see there.
mircea_popescu: flyplymouth how much does one of these checks cost ?
williamdunne: flyplymouth: And do you not think you could attract some actual investment if this wasn't a social enterprise?
flyplymouth: If you are using your own money to reopen the airport, you can just go ahead and open it. But to access money which is not repayable, whether it from Government or otherwise, they have to see that it stacks up over the long term and importantly that it has a wider benefit to the local / regional economy
flyplymouth: The social enterprise model doesn't prohibit us from attracting private investment.
williamdunne: flyplymouth: You didn't answer the question at all
Landgull: So you're relying on government money?
williamdunne: flyplymouth: You said you don't want to make money for shareholders
williamdunne: flyplymouth: That prohibits you
williamdunne: Well..
trinque: he's talking about some govt funding program for public benefit
flyplymouth: not at all social enterprises can now attract investors
trinque: does "social enterprise" have a UK legal definition?
Landgull: Or rather, my question would be: How much of the actual investment/operating capital needs to come from private sources, after you've satisfied the nonsense of central planner stress testing.
mircea_popescu: flyplymouth so let me see if i understand. you're trying to get a small sum together to pay for various studies that then you can turn around and give the british government which will spend a lot of its own money to do the thing you came up with ?
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williamdunne: trinque: There are a couple of legal structures for it, like a community corporation or something of similar name
williamdunne: Summin like that
mircea_popescu: but these are basically charities.
mircea_popescu: only with more pompous verbiage.
flyplymouth: As you will have seen in news of late, Transport Secretary and others have said it can reopen, the question is who opens it. We want to safeguard the airport for the long term.
chetty: why would someone invest in something not intended to make money?
williamdunne: flyplymouth: Its not about if you're legally allowed to do it, its more I'm a billionaire, why the fuck do I give you money for a social program? While it can work with a small homeless shelter, you're talking about an airport. Not like there is one landlord who owns half of Plymouth and the surrounding area who wants to increase property values.
flyplymouth: It will make money, social enterprise and charity are compltely different. Social Enterpise makes profit for purpose, where as Charity is not for profit
chetty: oi
flyplymouth: In terms of social enterprise, most of our transport infrstructure is based on social enterprise model
williamdunne: flyplymouth: Most of our transport infrastructure is government owned
williamdunne: flyplymouth: Anyhow, Social Enterprise makes profit but pays no dividends
williamdunne: flyplymouth: Which is what investors want
flyplymouth: If you are a billionaire, then there are options for private investment.
williamdunne: Have you spoken to Plymouth's sole billionaire?
flyplymouth: it also depends on how they choose to invest equity/ fixed return etc.
Landgull: Plymouth, what people are asking you is why a billionare would rather put his money with you than either 1) putting it in some blue-chip stock, or 2) directly giving it to a charity that they care about.
williamdunne: flyplymouth: I doubt Chris Dawson is too bothered about having to go to London to catch a flight
Landgull: You need to have a better risk-adjusted return than 1, or a better cause than 2.
mircea_popescu: !rate Landgull 1 new bloods
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williamdunne: Chris Dawson is a man after my own heart..
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williamdunne: "Mr Dawson said it was a Budget for everyone, that the prices of food and fuel had come down, and that thanks to the Budget he yesterday signed off a deal with a European country to build factories.
williamdunne: But speaking about NHS staff unhappy at their low wages, Mr Dawson suggested they could retrain and work in another industry."
Landgull: Thanks!
mircea_popescu: williamdunne yeah, that's happening
flyplymouth: why would a billionaire invest in an airport? If they want to develop and grow Plymouth whilst also generating a good return. Recent studies from aviation industry have said that Plymouth Airport could add 240 jobs to local economy and £20m a year to wider economy. It also helps having one of the largest naval bases in Europe in Plymouth, which attracts manufacturers and business to visit the area
mircea_popescu: jurov sent.
williamdunne: flyplymouth: How would they generate returns? This is what we're asking. You can't pay dividends so..?
flyplymouth: divdends are not the only way to generate a return. Bonds / Investment Agreements.
williamdunne: flyplymouth: Okay, so loans
flyplymouth: Bonds and loans are not techically the same thing.
Landgull: Ok, what kind of rate could you sustain on your bond, and what exactly are your creditors entitled to seize?
williamdunne: flyplymouth: Promise of interest in return for money today, I'm not too bothered by technicalities
williamdunne: flyplymouth: Everyone on this channel understands what bonds are, dw about that
williamdunne: (hence the -assets)
williamdunne: !up flyplymouth
jurov: mircea_popescu: got it
williamdunne: flyplymouth: So once you've "stress tested" this business plan, rather than going for government money, why don't you become the first CIC to issue publicly traded bonds?
williamdunne: flyplymouth: Certainly talking about enough money to justify it..
flyplymouth: if you want to chat more about investment, you best contacting us direct
williamdunne: danielpbarron: Shhh, don't tell her we've seen it!
williamdunne: flyplymouth: Why? Anything I want to talk to you about I will talk to you about here
Landgull: Dude, if you don't have a good answer, you're a lot better off just admitting it and asking for advice. Not just with finance, but in life as a whole.
williamdunne: flyplymouth: A bond is something that people with actual money can get behind
williamdunne: Lol, their testimonial is one of their employees saying how he is properly worked
williamdunne: I like it
flyplymouth: If you want talk serious finance then you need to talk to FD.
williamdunne: flyplymouth: FD? FlyDover?
williamdunne: flyplymouth: Can you just get him on here?
trinque pats deedbot- on the hood
trinque: little guy seems to be doing alright
trinque: I haven't had to hit it with a wrench in a bit
williamdunne: flyplymouth: Whats his number, I'll try and get him on here.
flyplymouth: if you want to talk serious then I can set it up
williamdunne: flyplymouth: Of course I want to talk serious
williamdunne: Worth noting, I have no idea who any of you are. Missing from your website.
flyplymouth: media@flyplymouth.com drop me a line and I'll connect you.
williamdunne: Well that was sudden
Landgull: I don't think he liked the results of the stress test.
williamdunne: No, nor the advice "Social Enterprise is stupid" is the only thing I think he heard
williamdunne: The idea I think is actually ok, Plymouth does need to be better connected, but they're definitely derping around with it
williamdunne: And they don't have to rebuild everything..
Landgull: They need to stop talking about what they need and start talking about what they will do for their investors.
williamdunne: Landgull you can up yourself now
ben_vulpes: what they will do for their investors?
ben_vulpes: i know i know
ben_vulpes: buy some ad space
ben_vulpes: rent an office
ben_vulpes: make everyone feel really cool for investing
ben_vulpes: and then disappear
ben_vulpes: DAFUQ AIRPLAINES?
Landgull: Oooh, fancy. Thanks guys.
trinque: ....aaand it's gone!
williamdunne: ben_vulpes: Not just airplanes, a whole airport
ben_vulpes: i read the thread.
Landgull: I think they should take the 150k, buy a cessna, and ferry people around as a social enterprise.
ben_vulpes: but let's start with the "how is anyone involved qualified to derp near expensive-ass capital equipment"
ben_vulpes: > 150k
ben_vulpes: > airport
ben_vulpes: > 150k
ben_vulpes: > airplane
ben_vulpes: what am i missing here
Landgull: Well, they wanted 150k for a stress test.
Landgull: A "stress test".
ben_vulpes: what the fuck is a stress test
ben_vulpes: novel scamhold is what i hear.
williamdunne: Something something statistics something something customers something something viability
Landgull: My guess is, you pay a bureaucrat to tell you that your made up numbers look like his made up numbers.
williamdunne: For reference, this is what they're talking about
ben_vulpes: that's what it meant in the context of the us banking retardation
ben_vulpes: and what world is this where scammers take cash to build out a model and then verify it with bureaucrats?
ben_vulpes: this is bitcoin
ben_vulpes: we lower bureaucrats into pederasty.
williamdunne: They're not raising bitcoin
williamdunne: They're raising fiat
williamdunne: I invited them here
williamdunne: Thought they were derpy so wanted to discuss it on a public forum
ben_vulpes: !up pete_dushenski
pete_dushenski: thx ben_vulpes :)
ben_vulpes: mhhhhm
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williamdunne: Maybe they can do more crowdfunding with the latest Havelock IPO?
ben_vulpes: FLYPLYMOUTH has developed a plan to reopen Plymouth airport, reintroducing aviation services and air passenger services that is stepped and incrementally profitable at each stage. We believe that this objective is deliverable in two to three years and that by working together with the City around a demonstrably credible plan supported by independent feasibility analysis Plymouth will be able to benefit from new job creation and better
ben_vulpes: connectivity.
ben_vulpes: mk well they're even tapping into the local welfare spigot
ben_vulpes: i am exhausted of fucks
pete_dushenski: looks like nonsense on a stick
williamdunne: If it was 5 miles to the left of its current position they could massively tap into European welfare spigots, which is even more hilarious
mircea_popescu: fuckshausted ?
williamdunne: Take it back, about 7 miles to the West for Euro welfare
thestringpuller: i really wish it was practical to just kill the redditards
diana_coman: hello, could I please have an eulora account?
jurov: diana_coman: you managed to compile the new ver already?
diana_coman: jurov not yet, as I just saw the post on trilema, but I will get onto it as soon as possible and I have some experience...
mats: ranger school: churning out a cripple for every leader
pete_dushenski: mats it's a balance.
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-06-2015#1149704 << this place has it's fair share of consensus too. just imagine the insane levels of groupthink on teh outside !
assbot: Logged on 01-06-2015 15:08:46; Landgull: Mmm, echo chambers only matter to politicians pandering to votes, though. Or 50%+1 attacks via democracy, I suppose.
mats: i've observed folks in various, interesting pipelines -- BUD/S, JTAC, SFAS, ...
mats: the number of broke dicks getting churned out of ranger school is a leadership failure not a fact of life
ben_vulpes: > broke dicks
mats: the navy doesn't see nearly the same level of folks going to medical discharge boards
pete_dushenski: mats same goes for us universities.
pete_dushenski: in the leadership failure aspect, not the medical aspect.
mircea_popescu: jurov if you have one precompiuled it takes all of 10 minutes
mircea_popescu: didnb't take me much longer anyway
mircea_popescu: btw in case anyone's missed it - eulora! ask for accts.
jurov: yes but it picked up misc system crud
davout: mircea_popescu: acct pl0x
mircea_popescu: whadda ya wanna be called ?
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
davout: Godefroy de Montmirail
mircea_popescu: screww that im not gonna keep asking. calling everyone their nick.
mircea_popescu: nah this is the acct name.
jurov: i had to: ./configure --with-cs-prefix=/path/to/cs --without-mysqlclient --without-sqlite3 --without-postgresql --without-hunspell
mircea_popescu: bwahahahagodefroooooy
mircea_popescu: hunspell ?!
pete_dushenski: mats universities as businesses, which is what they've certainly become with their 20th century 'mass adoption' approach to education, couldn't possibly lead their students to be anything other than broke dicks anymore than apple can with the kids who buy their iphonez
jurov: nemtudom, as i said.
pete_dushenski: universities as places of higher learning for the already learned, different story.
chetty: love the char name davout
pete_dushenski: but that's exclusive and not 'fair'
davout: mircea_popescu: just call me ";drop database `eulora`"
pete_dushenski: the same approach to flatness leads to failure in the military.
chetty: lmao
davout: merci
ascii_field: 'Senior officers live in large houses, travel on their own planes and oversee whole continents with little direction from Washington.'
pete_dushenski: "One reason to support increasing the block size: Luke-Jr is against it." << lulz via redditards.
pete_dushenski: endless milking, these mooz
davout: this blocksize drama will end up spontaneously reinventing dogecoin
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: aha, run moar winblows (TM)
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-06-2015#1149809 << i'm glad to hear someone actually tried. though if mp can't get his hands on them...
assbot: Logged on 01-06-2015 18:04:15; mircea_popescu: i didn't find a supplier.
mircea_popescu: davout it's kinda amusing to see just how butthurt "social media" gets when it turns out nobody cares what they think / nothing they could do makes any difference.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski cursory examination.
ascii_field: are we even seeing actual butts or astroturf
mircea_popescu: astrobutts
mircea_popescu: !up pete_dushenski
mircea_popescu: what happened ot you.
pete_dushenski: cheers !
pete_dushenski: i'm in an airport.
pete_dushenski: 3/4 of the way home from la suisse
ascii_field: 'The exorbitant membership fee, 30 BTC, coupled with the fact that their twitter account hasn’t been touched since last June, suggests that the exchange is defunct, or at least no longer being actively promoted.' << tungsten, it melts in your mouth!
mircea_popescu: lol wut ?
pete_dushenski: heh, it's the one year anniversary of aantop's murder !
mircea_popescu: happy rip.
mike_c: jurov: not to be an ass since you just took the job, but do you have an idea for ballpark on binaries? my ubuntu box has trouble running eulora due to gfx card issues.. just wondering if it's days, weeks, or months.
pete_dushenski: doubt anyone will bother to show up at aantop's gravestone with oranges and braided bread for provda
mircea_popescu: mike_c i put nvidia drivers in the binary bundle just in case.
jurov: mike_c: best if you compile yourself then
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-06-2015#1149828 << french part of la suisse definitely had more garbage strewn about than german part der schwiez
assbot: Logged on 01-06-2015 18:37:26; williamdunne: A new study has officially proved that French are smelly and Dutch, Germans and Scandinavians are the cleanest ones."
mircea_popescu: at any rate it'd better not be months, o.O
mike_c: i tried to compile windoze version, didn't go so well
jurov: mircea_popescu: that's not nvidia drivers, but some library crystalspace depends upon
mike_c: mircea_popescu: didn't know that, i could try that
pete_dushenski: the frenchies (lausanne in particular) were coming up with all sorts of creative ad campaigns to encourage people to pick up their fucking trash
pete_dushenski: lemme dig up a pic.
williamdunne: Sandhill Exchange fined by the SEC, lol
jurov: also, my windows/osx dude said he's away till 12th. so the position is in fact open
williamdunne: (The company offering Derps, MPEX style)
jurov: diana_coman will try on windows, too
jurov: i'll forward or return the funds when someone picks up
mike_c: mircea_popescu: yeah, i saw that. still not so easy without a clean box to get all those specific versions on
mircea_popescu: williamdunne check it out, no credit no nothing.
chetty: for the record I have gotten it to run on a laptop, but its very slow
mircea_popescu: i actually got it to run on an old laptop too, but it was like 2 fps
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Lol, yeah. Apparently they hedge theirs though rather than bear the risk
williamdunne: William,
williamdunne: You may be wondering why we’ve been so quiet lately.
williamdunne: We started Sand Hill Exchange as a fun game to let people bet on startup valuations. It is an enjoyable experience, but when we pushed aggressively to monetize we received a cease and desist from the SEC.
williamdunne: We never had any intention of operating in a regulated industry, nor do we have the resources required to do so. We reached a settlement agreement with the SEC and are reverting to the uncontroversial free version of Sand Hill Exchange.
williamdunne: Sand Hill Exchange has always been strongest as a site focused on education and community. The paper trading version of our site preserves these values while providing a safe, fun experience.
williamdunne: For full details on everything that transpired please check our blog.
williamdunne: The Sand Hill Exchange Team
williamdunne: Press release says they were fined $200k, email subject says $20k
mircea_popescu will bbl, going to enterrtain teh eulorians
danielpbarron: i also have run eulora on an old laptop
pete_dushenski: what's a zero in fiat anyways ?
williamdunne: They're doing it by issuing smart contracts so they're not the issuers technically, supposedly
williamdunne: Any build available for buntu
chetty: williamdunne, it best if you compile yourself from the source, but its a breeze on ubuntu
pete_dushenski: time to make my way to the gate. good evening y'all !
williamdunne: chetty: Coolio, I'll look it up on the guide
williamdunne: "25 days into our experiment, activity on the site was parabolic. Users were writing their own algorithmic traders. On most days, Sand Hill Exchange saw more trading volume than the New York Stock Exchange (circa 1840). Behind the scenes, we mapped out technology infrastructure to decentralize the exchange."
williamdunne: "That’s when we received an inquiry from the SEC. And then a subpoena demanding a court appearance and all our documents and communications since the beginning of last year.
williamdunne: We had less than $10,000 in the bank. We had no legal counsel to speak of."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28400 @ 0.00031312 = 8.8926 BTC [-] {2}
williamdunne remembers why he only uses languages with package management systems
thestringpuller: ^lol like ruby?
williamdunne: Never used Ruby personally
williamdunne: C#, Elixir, D, and Java
williamdunne: And more recently Meteor, although thats not a personal choice (but does have a great package manager)
williamdunne: Oh god
thestringpuller: i'm quitting the code life soon to pursue my dream of being a rapper
williamdunne: M.C Goldburg
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34414 @ 0.00031698 = 10.9085 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [BTR] 1905 @ 0.00111 = 2.1146 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12800 @ 0.00031698 = 4.0573 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25500 @ 0.0003233 = 8.2442 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58800 @ 0.00032492 = 19.1053 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27494 @ 0.00031501 = 8.6609 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4556 @ 0.00031292 = 1.4257 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25550 @ 0.00032542 = 8.3145 BTC [+]
menahem: what do you guys think of this tee ?
williamdunne: Well, its official, we're a cult.
menahem: hahaha
menahem: debating if i should add a quote to it
williamdunne: "I'm better than you" should suffice
menahem: "this Bitcock ain't gonna suck itself."
williamdunne: Fuck it, I'd buy it
danielpbarron already has the b-a official t-shirt thanks to nubbins`
assbot: Logged on 02-06-2014 15:57:38; nubbins`: ;;sell 1.0 "OFFICIAL #bitcoin-assets t-shirt" @ 25/{bitstampask} BTC "Worldwide shipping included. Optional '#bitcoin-assets / freenode' text on back. http://imgur.com/jmcSFTx"
BingoBoingo: williamdunne: http://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/Plymouth-billionaire-Chris-Dawson-lambasted/story-26199605-detail/story.html << What about NHS workers moving from "Airstrip One" to somewhere which would pay them better... Like Ferguson.
williamdunne: Well I think the essence, is if what you're currently doing isn't working, fucking change it
williamdunne: But yeah
williamdunne: Lots of options how to go about it
danielpbarron: ;;later tell nubbins` could you make a few dozen business cards for me and have them arrive at my house by the 20th of this month? and what would that cost?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: Landgull: Dude, if you don't have a good answer, you're a lot better off just admitting it and asking for advice. Not just with finance, but in life as a whole. << Wait, there is now an aeronaut ninjaspamzor???
danielpbarron: !up indiancandy1
indiancandy1: thanks dan
indiancandy1: whats up
danielpbarron: eulora is up!
danielpbarron: you into video games?
indiancandy1: depends really
trinque: !up diana_coman
chetty: yup eulora is live ;)
indiancandy1: nice mix mats
indiancandy1: i like it
indiancandy1: any one 24 here
williamdunne: The age?
decimation: mats: the us military likes to keep its elborate hazing rituals
decimation: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2015/05/cybersecurity-and-tylenol-murders < "Yet none of the proposals now in Congress are aimed at actually increasing the safety of our data. Instead, the focus is on ?information sharing,? a euphemism for more surveillance of users and networks. These bills are not only wrongheaded, they seem to be a cynical ploy to use the very real problems of cybersecurity to advance a surveillance agenda, rather th
BingoBoingo: !up indiancandy1
mats: gas grills are an amazing invention
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
decimation: usg actually should subsidize rather than punish hackers. Like terrorists, they provide the perfect excuse to expand state power with little opposition
BingoBoingo: So, new low in wikipedia "art" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Antarctopelta.jpg Seriously dinosaurs and ducks never co-existed
mats: nommin on ma homemade white wine and shallot pork sausages
decimation: BingoBoingo: one wonders how much 'high brow' trolling/bullshit has been incorporated into wikipedia
BingoBoingo: decimation: I imagine that's what most of it is
mats: decimation: were that only the case... imo its a holdover from a different, 'harder', era
decimation: mats: note that militaries have had hazing rituals since time immemorial
indiancandy1: how do u make white wine
decimation: u ferment white grapes
mats: loled
indiancandy1: it turns into liquid
indiancandy1: did u make it urself
indiancandy1: thats dope
mats: my syntax is terrible
mats: "white wine, shallot, and pork [sausage]"
indiancandy1: whats shallot
mats: it all goes into one casing, the pork is braised in the wine
indiancandy1: ohhh ahahah
decimation: the 'liquid' is a combination of sugar water and yeast shit
mats: shallots are in the onion family
decimation: although in most european style wines the sugar is mostly gone
indiancandy1: are you in the eur
indiancandy1: oops eu
decimation: I am not
indiancandy1: i ddint know u could cook sausage with wine
indiancandy1: i will try it
williamdunne: Where are you based?
danielpbarron: !up indiancandy1
danielpbarron: !up WolfGoethe
WolfGoethe: anyone here actively do any peer to peer trading?
jurov: WolfGoethe: sometimes
danielpbarron: I think I do, but I never called it that
WolfGoethe: jurov what payment methods do you use?
jurov: sepa
WolfGoethe: I do bank deposit, and paypal my cash
WolfGoethe: ah europe, ok, where do u guys trade #bitcoin-otc ?
WolfGoethe: danielpbarron what do you call it?
jurov: yes there. anyone tries transferwise?
danielpbarron: otc I suppose
WolfGoethe: never tried transferwise, what premiums do u get with them?
WolfGoethe: what sites are you guys on? LBC, bitwallet paxful ?
danielpbarron: i mostly deal with my meatwot; not internet ppl
WolfGoethe: meatwot ?
danielpbarron: face to face people I know in person
WolfGoethe: ahh in person trades, k
jurov: apparently they ask 0.5% or $1
WolfGoethe: i'm in NYC, dudes got robbed here inperson
jurov: going to try
danielpbarron: oh neat, I'm in CT
WolfGoethe: i like high premiums, paypalmy cash gets up to a 100% sometimes
danielpbarron: well I only deal with people I know; not randos
mxtm: < massholes represent
indiancandy1: im in london
danielpbarron: so chances of getting stuck up are very low
WolfGoethe: what offers u guys got active now?
WolfGoethe: there is a nice uk peer to peer trading site right?bit trust.couk ?
trinque: mxtm: I was just describing to someone moving to Boston the difference in culture between new england and here (PDX) .... how did I forget "massholes"
indiancandy1: massholess meaning assholes in quantity?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43867 @ 0.00032542 = 14.2752 BTC [+]
mxtm: no indiancandy1, meaning people from massachusetts
mxtm: and trinque, hah
trinque: portland pussies stand no chance there
indiancandy1: why are they aholes
WolfGoethe: portland was nice. met a super model lookin type girl there... she told me she hasn;t had a date in 6 months.. i was like why??? she said because the guys in portland are to scared to even say hi to her... lol
WolfGoethe: ortland has a dope ass bar arcade tho...
trinque: WolfGoethe: nice town as an outsider yeah
mats: i hope you took her on a date
mxtm: i've never been to portland
trinque: WolfGoethe: ground control?
WolfGoethe: yeah, we just hung out and had fun, took for a ride on my bike, was going cross country
WolfGoethe: no intimiate stuff tho lol. i'm not a player.. just a geek :)
WolfGoethe: forgot the name of the arcade bar.. but they had all the old skool games. went for sf2 and tmnt.. had a blast with the model girl there
trinque: girl goes home sadly to her hitachi
trinque: lol
trinque: WolfGoethe: was probably ground control
trinque: I enjoy that spot
trinque: get drunk on whiskeys and play galaga
WolfGoethe: wanna go back, me nad her talk on FB, she got friends. I'm not into tall skinny blondes. like my women thick and short
WolfGoethe: city had a cool vibe tho
trinque: WolfGoethe: every time I build up enough piss and vinegar to leave, I find a reason to stay
WolfGoethe: unrelated question.. anyone got some paypal my cash codes they wanna trade for some btc?
trinque: I'm originally from TX
trinque: !gettrust WolfGoethe
assbot: WolfGoethe is not registered in WoT.
WolfGoethe: I am in NYC. portland was nice. I rode thru texas. liked it Galveston and austin were awesome
WolfGoethe: web of trust? how do i reg there?
trinque: WolfGoethe: ^
trinque: not that I'm personally buying, but that'd probably help
williamdunne: indiancandy1: Oh I'm not the only one
WolfGoethe: thanks
WolfGoethe: i checked bitcoin-otc .. no paypal my cash there
williamdunne: Oh wow
indiancandy1: what about london ppl
WolfGoethe: can i post a link to ym trading profile here or is that not allowed?
indiancandy1: whose on instagram
williamdunne: I sent an email to SandHill saying "So when are you moving then", and this was their response:
williamdunne: "The US is our home -- they may be acting like nincompoops but I don't want to completely uproot over this."
williamdunne: They deserve to be fined
williamdunne: indiancandy1: Nah, only UK, and I don't have a vagina so don't have an instagram account
WolfGoethe: my instagram big booty feed is CRAZY
WolfGoethe: the finest fitness booty imaginable.. it never ends
trinque: williamdunne: but you do twat...
williamdunne: trinque: I hide it well
williamdunne: Its tucked underneath my tits
trinque: (twitter)
williamdunne: Oh yes, I'd be interested in seeing the male/female ratio on instagram/twitter though
trinque: instagram is solely for hot women and pictures of their food/cats, this is true
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49807 @ 0.0003255 = 16.2122 BTC [+] {2}
williamdunne: Maybe I should get instagram
indiancandy1: i got a nice booty
indiancandy1: how do u no
williamdunne: Instagram
williamdunne: Don't need an account to use it (Y)
trinque: never do I look at my food or ass and say "goddamn someone needs to see this shit"
indiancandy1: did u see my insta account
williamdunne: trinque: tbf I doubt your ass is as nice as indiancandy1's
trinque: can confirm
williamdunne: In fairness, didn't that one guy take a photo of a market up his ass at hanbot's request?
williamdunne: *marker
WolfGoethe: pics pls
indiancandy1: how did u see my insta
indiancandy1: i didnt link u it
indiancandy1: the link u sent is taking ages
WolfGoethe: not the market up the udes butt.. girls
trinque: indiancandy1: I haven't
williamdunne: indiancandy1: You've told us your username before
BingoBoingo: indiancandy1: You really don't give your twitter account enough love
williamdunne: realshantidynamite
indiancandy1: that ass was nice
WolfGoethe: squat booty rules all. skinny booty is a travesty worthy of jihad
williamdunne: WolfGoethe: Urm... your link returned this
WolfGoethe: huh? lt the page load. there are women on there
WolfGoethe: where do u see that?
WolfGoethe: all i see is thick squat booty
williamdunne: It was on maybe the second page of it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34605 @ 0.00032759 = 11.3363 BTC [+] {2}
WolfGoethe: she prob has zero boot
WolfGoethe: pass...
williamdunne: I'm trying to work out why
mats: butts
BingoBoingo: !up indiancandy1
indiancandy1: that pic
indiancandy1: is my friends x gf
indiancandy1: her name is tessa
indiancandy1: shes really into bdsm lifestyle
williamdunne: indiancandy1: are you registered in the WoT?
indiancandy1: no coz i duno how to do it
indiancandy1: its so complicated
williamdunne: Would you like some help?
BingoBoingo: !up WolfGoethe
WolfGoethe: the tatto girl?
WolfGoethe: i'd tie hr up..lol
WolfGoethe: nah not into that. tattoos ruin it for me
trinque: prolly the chick who's a table
trinque: WolfGoethe: same
trinque: tried dating a chick once covered in tats, very distracting
WolfGoethe: gross
williamdunne: I like em', not gonna liea
WolfGoethe: ride a bike and u talk to a lot fo tat girls.. do nothing for me
williamdunne: Was thinking of getting a tattoo while in Prague actually..
trinque: "you had this great body, then let 'artists' use it like a bar bathroom wall"
indiancandy1: yes will
indiancandy1: i would
indiancandy1: i got 11 tattoos
indiancandy1: dont hate
williamdunne: indiancandy1: Mmk, what sort of computer do you have?
indiancandy1: laptop
Adlai: !b 2
assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3ZYPGRE.txt )
williamdunne: Apple or other?
indiancandy1: im getting a tattoo above my panty line this week
williamdunne: What are you getting done?
indiancandy1: some horizontal tribal thin design
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Did you ever get that pink netbook?
williamdunne: indiancandy1: noice
williamdunne: indiancandy1: Anyhow, go here
williamdunne: And click the first big green button
williamdunne: And then click run
williamdunne: And wait for it to open
williamdunne: Then tell me
danielpbarron: BingoBoingo, lol no, I got outbid and forgot about it
mod6: Update: full sync of v0.5.3.1-RELEASE + patche(s) { Orphanage Thermonuke } + { TX Orphanage Amputation } is up to block: 314713
BingoBoingo: nice mod6
indiancandy1: i clckd run
indiancandy1: it says windows smartscreen csnt be reached atm
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63700 @ 0.00032827 = 20.9108 BTC [+]
indiancandy1: what is all this
williamdunne: Just click ignore or ok or summin
trinque: it's a hamfisted attempt to "protect" the user
trinque: by crippling the software
indiancandy1: im confused
indiancandy1: u lost m
williamdunne: So when you see the smart screen thing yes, what buttons can you click?
williamdunne: Also, I'm a little disturbed by your usage of #latina on this https://instagram.com/p/0lS3nwB6Ip/
williamdunne: I don't believe Greece, India, or the UK are in South America
trinque: williamdunne: did you not hear the tunes?
indiancandy1: i dont handle it
indiancandy1: my insta
indiancandy1: some indian boy does
indiancandy1: in banglaore
williamdunne: Ahahahaha
williamdunne: Thats hilarious
trinque: "my instagram guy"
williamdunne: trinque: Sounded like electro-jamaican-indian to me
indiancandy1: the song is jamaican
trinque: ah what do I know; I wasn't really listening :D
williamdunne: trinque: I called it
trinque: so then I'm the racist
williamdunne: trinque: Typical Eastern European
williamdunne: Racist, all of em
trinque: I thought that was some kind of reggaeton thing or w/e it's called
williamdunne: indiancandy1: how what?
indiancandy1: did u call me eastern europnean
indiancandy1: ahahah
trinque: <---
indiancandy1: were u from
trinque: but I'm not
trinque: I'm a mongrel from the US
williamdunne: indiancandy1: Oops, meant trinque.
williamdunne: I'm from the UK, which is just as bad
trinque: some french, some italian, and a smattering of various UK miscellany
williamdunne: trinque: I think you just described most Europeans
trinque: heh! probably so
williamdunne: Eh, I'll be in London on Sunday before flying to Bucharest on Monday
trinque: williamdunne: what do you do that has you traveling
trinque: indiancandy1: get in the wot! we need more beautiful women.
williamdunne: Lady from Credit Agricole decided I have to open the account in person
williamdunne: trinque: Do we have any other beautiful women?
trinque: dunno, but one should always have more
williamdunne: Can you up someone multiple times I wonder..
williamdunne: !up indiancandy1
williamdunne: !up indiancandy1
williamdunne: Nah it just refreshes it
trinque: hm, so this is a perfect example of a gossipd use case
williamdunne: Forcing people to be registered?
trinque: well, or just tagging along on someone's more permissive node if they don wanna
williamdunne: Would she have got here in the first place if it wasn't for freenode webchat?
trinque: like life :p
williamdunne: I'm pretty fucking excited, Bucharest -> Prague -> Istanbul is gonna be fun
trinque: indiancandy1: did you install the thing?
indiancandy1: can u do it 4 me
indiancandy1: via teamviewer
trinque: heh williamdunne do a join.me or something with her
williamdunne: indiancandy1: Yes I can
trinque: or yeah teamviewer
williamdunne: Just let me install it one sec
indiancandy1: ergh turks
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83600 @ 0.00032887 = 27.4935 BTC [+] {3}
indiancandy1: so trin where in uk r u
trinque: nah US, portland oregon
trinque: williamdunne's the limey
indiancandy1: ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
williamdunne: indiancandy1: I dropped you a private message, if you give me your teamviewer details I'll sort it for you
trinque: goes without saying but... do not paste that here
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73033 @ 0.00033146 = 24.2075 BTC [+] {3}
indiancandy1: i trade nudes 4 btc
indiancandy1: hahahaha
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12367 @ 0.00033542 = 4.1481 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57600 @ 0.00033575 = 19.3392 BTC [+] {2}
trinque: !up WolfGoethe
trinque: WolfGoethe: while we're doing inductions, why don't you register too
trinque: and I'll rate you so you can self-up later
trinque: at some point we're gonna need a ritual
indiancandy1: !register A886215D072240C8D8632DA8564F4D7DAEEA5571
assbot: Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: A886215D072240C8D8632DA8564F4D7DAEEA5571. This may take a few moments.
assbot: Key AEEA5571 / "indiancandy1" successfully imported.
assbot: Registration successful.
williamdunne: Who is in the lords list?
indiancandy1: u done willz
williamdunne: Can someone in the lords list please give indiancandy a rate?
williamdunne: Nearly
trinque: sure
williamdunne: I'll just show you how to use it once you've been rated
trinque: !rate indiancandy1 1 new blood
assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/e4597feaf7ab2130
trinque: !v assbot:trinque.rate.indiancandy1.1:32279bb36b80ec9a60317e8aa0ca228d9837e259b890b090e1aa639427bd5da1
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for indiancandy1 with note: new blood
trinque: welcome
trinque: asciilifeform: what's that guy?
trinque: looks... like it does... something
trinque: google image search says it's chocolate
trinque: fuck you google
trinque: lol
williamdunne: Who tried to set this up before for indiancandy1? She doesn't know what the password is to the key.. aha
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44577 @ 0.00032795 = 14.619 BTC [-] {2}
williamdunne: Probably should have checked that before registering -.-
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35023 @ 0.00032498 = 11.3818 BTC [-]
trinque: so close!
trinque: williamdunne: and now you'll need to be able to use the old key to use !changekey
williamdunne: Yep, wow
williamdunne: Great start..
williamdunne: Can kakro overrule this when he is online I wonder?
trinque: any simple guesses for the password?
WolfGoethe: !register A886215D072240C8D8632DA8564F4D7DAEEA5571
assbot: A key with that fingerprint is already registered by indiancandy1
williamdunne: Its not her normal password, its not no password, and its not password
williamdunne: (GPG4WIN asks for password even if there is none)
trinque: lol so much fail
WolfGoethe: so i need to get a pgp key first?
williamdunne: Guess we'll have to wait for kakro and see if he can fix it
williamdunne: WolfGoethe: Yep
trinque: WolfGoethe: yes, what OS are you on
WolfGoethe: mac osx
WolfGoethe: never messed with pgp
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18800 @ 0.00033869 = 6.3674 BTC [+] {3}
WolfGoethe: thanks already dling beta 6
trinque: WolfGoethe: 4096 bits recommended as the key size
trinque: in the key creation dialog it will ask whether you want to upload the key, do that
trinque: then assbot will be able to find it when you provide your fingerprint
williamdunne: ;;later tell kakobrekla can you unregister indiancandy1? I was setting it up for her and forgot to check if she knew the password to her GPG key.. she hasn't authed yet
gribble: The operation succeeded.
trinque: asciilifeform: my only guess is some kind of supr s3kr3t radio disguisable as a beer can
trinque: maybe the knob comes off, some kind of outer covering goes on
indiancandy1: what fingerprint
WolfGoethe: i sent it to the keyserver, how do you look it up? name or email ?
williamdunne: indiancandy1: Its like an identifier for your key that I registered you with, the one you didn't know the password for
WolfGoethe: key id?
trinque: WolfGoethe: somewhere there will be listed a "fingerprint" of the key
trinque: that's the argument to !register
WolfGoethe: got it
trinque: no spaces
WolfGoethe: do i post it here?
trinque: sure as indiancandy1 by way of williamdunne did
trinque: but like.... better than they did :D
WolfGoethe: !register A364FCEAC68953860519C8A5A66E2D65273F03BD
assbot: Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: A364FCEAC68953860519C8A5A66E2D65273F03BD. This may take a few moments.
assbot: No valid OpenPGP data found on pgp.mit.edu.
WolfGoethe: i send public key to keyserver
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47000 @ 0.00034103 = 16.0284 BTC [+] {2}
trinque: WolfGoethe: either it wasn't the right one, or it takes a minute
WolfGoethe: !register A364FCEAC68953860519C8A5A66E2D65273F03BD
assbot: Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: A364FCEAC68953860519C8A5A66E2D65273F03BD. This may take a few moments.
assbot: Key 273F03BD / "wolfgangX <wolfgangg432@gmail.com>" successfully imported.
assbot: Registration successful.
WolfGoethe: works
trinque: !rate WolfGoethe 1 new blood
assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/59086853159ade6f
WolfGoethe: what do i do with this key ?
trinque: !v assbot:trinque.rate.WolfGoethe.1:1c0fe620b46c4634282678cb9daeae399403b84ad5669b4f1d8cc018fbe84b09
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for WolfGoethe with note: new blood
trinque: WolfGoethe: when you want voice, send a private message of !up to assbot
trinque: it'll send you a url, you decrypt the contents and give it back to assbot with !v
trinque: as I did with my rating
trinque: try it.
trinque: !down WolfGoethe
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21900 @ 0.0003433 = 7.5183 BTC [+] {2}
WolfGoethe: thanks trinque
WolfGoethe: that was an involved process
WolfGoethe: only the geekiest of the crypto geeks would go thru all that just to post big booty pics
williamdunne: Its as manly as it gets
trinque: WolfGoethe: weeds out the morons; congrats
WolfGoethe: i wrote a bitcoind core api server with full logging etc...
WolfGoethe: open source of coz
WolfGoethe: trying to give back with more than just phat instagram booty
trinque: what good cult doesn't have booty
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27000 @ 0.00033904 = 9.1541 BTC [-]
williamdunne: !up mj4_
williamdunne: !up mjr_
mjr_: what up all
mjr_: i was going to say that we should have a ceremony with robes for voicing
trinque: !gettrust mjr_
assbot: mjr_ is not registered in WoT.
trinque: who is we
mjr_: look up Josh_Rossi i thihnk
williamdunne: Oh I didn't realize its Josh!
mjr_: !gettrust Josh_Rossi
assbot: mjr_ is not registered in WoT.
williamdunne: Hey Josh
williamdunne: !gettrust Josh_rossi
assbot: Trust relationship from user williamdunne to user Josh_rossi: Level 1: 2, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=williamdunne&to=Josh_rossi | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/Josh_rossi/
mjr_: how did you find it wiliam?
mjr_: ah lower case r
williamdunne: I'm registered, mjr_ isn't
williamdunne: Oh, could be wrong
mjr_: i should be registered, aren't I?
trinque: mjr_: yeah, otherwise you might as well be the pope
mjr_: http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/josh_rossi/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33000 @ 0.00034352 = 11.3362 BTC [+]
danielpbarron: !v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.indiancandy1.1:036a1f902e6a7d0baf97178fc7a27e84060ce2a60228e1ed417f230871f4812a
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for indiancandy1 with note: indian viral video star living in london
williamdunne: danielpbarron: She doesn't have her password unfortunately to here PGP key D:
mjr_: anyway, kakobrekla around?
trinque: mjr_: you could be that guy, but how would anyone know?
mjr_: ugh
mjr_: ok hold on, let me plug in my other computer
mjr_: i don't know why anyone would care if i was that guy
mjr_: since it literally makes 0 difference
williamdunne: !up indiancandy1
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95491 @ 0.00033597 = 32.0821 BTC [-] {2}
trinque: mjr_: kakobrekla might if you're looking for him. consider if you will the value of making claims to an identity with hard proof
indiancandy1: thanks 4 the rateing D
mjr_: well, i will let kakobrekla be the judge of that
indiancandy1: isnt mp the owner of this irc
trinque: the amount of bitching people do over 10sec of work...
mjr_: yeah i think he started it
mjr_: 10 seconds of work if you have your key on this computer...and you have used it recently
mjr_: you might have to go back a year or so to find the last time i chatted here
mjr_: but, i was at the first of the timisoara conferences
indiancandy1: good for you
trinque: !b 4
assbot: Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0GM9H90.txt )
mjr_: and considering I don't think 10 seconds of work is worth it to say hi to someone
trinque: mjr_: you're taking this far too seriously
trinque: I was merely stating facts
mjr_: what was the fact?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21259 @ 0.00034281 = 7.2878 BTC [+]
trinque: that you are not you by virtue of saying "I am me" on IRC
mjr_: i didn't say i was
mjr_: i wasn't trying to prove that I am me
mjr_: i was asking if anyone has seen kakobrekla recently
trinque: you put a link to indicate who you were
trinque: which is retarded
mjr_: because someone else said "i'm registered josh isn't"
mjr_: eh, maybe to you
mjr_: i don't really care
trinque: nor I
mjr_: so, why press the point?
mjr_: i wasn't necessarily talking to you about anything sensitive or financial in nature...
mjr_: so there is no reason for you to know who I am, or care
williamdunne: mjr_: Oh, it was me that said it. I meant that I'm registered so assbot listened to me
mod6: wassup mjr: assbot doesn't have a fast time-out like gribble. so you can take your otp and decrypt on another box (air-gap) for instance and not have to worry.
mjr_: yeah, working on it now
mjr_: have to charge an old laptop
mjr_: but again, it doesn't really matter if its me or not
trinque: mjr_: dunno why this is hard for you... you made a claim to an identity, and I informed you that you really had done no such thing
mjr_: or rather, it doesn't matter whether the person typing this is Josh Rossi or not
trinque: as I would do towards anyone
williamdunne: I can vouch that it is Josh Rossi
mod6: well, it does to me! we used to chat back in the day, i'd like to know if its mjr i.e. father of buttonwood or dog.
mjr_: eh, if you say it is a claim, it wasn't meant as such
mjr_: obvs
williamdunne: mod6: It is buttonwood
mjr_: but again, I am not trying to prove that it is me
trinque: had a conversation earlier about how flat text is sometimes, which applies here
indiancandy1: GOODNIGHT FELLAS
mjr_: in other words, i don't have anything to discuss that must be proven to have come from me
trinque: indiancandy1: cya!
indiancandy1: by triny
decimation: indiancandy1: do you live in a council house?
trinque: mjr_: I'm amused that this offended you so deeply it required this much discussion
trinque: if you don't want to auth by all means
mjr_: it didn't offend me at all, i was just saying that in my humble opinion, auth'ing is useful if you want to prove you are the one who said something
mjr_: since i don't have that need, it is not so important to me
mjr_: but i might as well after all this
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70850 @ 0.00032208 = 22.8194 BTC [-] {2}
trinque: no, it's also so that those present can tell who the fuck you are
williamdunne: Well, to be fair we already know who he is..
trinque: you do, how do I?
williamdunne: Well, hopefully you'd trust me enough to auth him. So you should think it is him even if you don't cryptographically know its him
decimation: mjr_: the important part is that friends can be enumerated
trinque: williamdunne: ever heard "trust but verify" ?
trinque: I'm not insulting the guy by saying "hello, who the fuck are you?"
williamdunne: Yeah, but I don't think its always that necessary
williamdunne: i.e if he was signing a contract, you verify that
trinque: so you do
decimation: williamdunne: it's necessary when there's a world full of zombies who want to waste your time
williamdunne: But if he's coming and saying 'hello' why the fuck does it matter?
trinque: because if I can see your face, and I've seen the face before, I'll know it
trinque: this is that for the internet
decimation: if by 'he's saying hello' you mean 'he has nothing to say', then it matters because of clutter
williamdunne: trinque: What about if I call you and say "Hey its Wil"
decimation: williamdunne: a poor but typical substitute for gpg auth
trinque: that conversation would a) not be a part of the public forum and b) if I knew you well, we could more or less establish who each other were by familiarity, but ^ it sucks
trinque: people should auth here for the same reason the deedbot- doesn't take any tattered scrap of paper from the street
decimation: imagine you were attending a lecture on the fourier transform. now imagine the lecture was taking place in an open booth on a london street
williamdunne: I dunno, I just don't see auth as that important if they're not doing anything extraordinary
decimation: would class be enhanced by random derps walking in and saying stupid shit?
trinque: williamdunne: stating your opinion is no argument
trinque: if it's not important why not remove the requirement on voice all together
trinque: mjr_: note this is more a point about the general benefits; you can do as you please
decimation: we used to have it that way; random derps would 'drop by and say hello'
trinque: sounds fucking terrible
trinque: see: every IRC channel that's ever been
trinque: eventually rots
trinque: !up liquidassets
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38759 @ 0.00032031 = 12.4149 BTC [-] {2}
trinque: !up mjr_
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78914 @ 0.00032388 = 25.5587 BTC [+] {2}
mjr_: understood
mjr_: but i think comparing this to a class on a fourier transform is QUITE generous
trinque: !down mjr_
trinque: then go fuck yourself.
williamdunne: Seems extreme
trinque: williamdunne: modicum of respect is not a big ask
williamdunne: I'm not entirely sure what he said means, but it didn't sound that disrespectful
trinque: I heard "fuck you" "gpg isn't that important" and "this place isn't that important"
trinque: this aside, decrypting a message from assbot takes far less time than his protestations that "it's pointless!"
williamdunne: Well, I'll agree with the second bit, would take less time to decrypt that assbot message
trinque: this attitude of being above it all is so american
trinque: he is, isn't he?
trinque: that's my guess anyway
trinque: or maybe it's leaking elsewhere
trinque: I have no fucking time for it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50900 @ 0.00031909 = 16.2417 BTC [-]
williamdunne: Dunno, he's in Panama IIRC
williamdunne: Don't know his nationality
williamdunne: WTF did I just find..
williamdunne: I think he is "some french, some italian, and a smattering of various UK miscellany"
trinque: heh
trinque: guy shows up to a place, lets the people there know what they're doing isn't all that important
trinque: hipsterism
trinque: my well of hate for this mentality is bottomless
williamdunne: I don't think that was his intention, however you took it
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu you've got mailz
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu last line of broadcast is not strictly correct - i also have a small number that i hand-assembled. but these don't count for the purpose of evaluating mf. corp.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
decimation: asciilifeform: what do you think of the macrofab folk so far?
asciilifeform: decimation: read this month's broadcast when it comes out.
asciilifeform: won't spoil it.
WolfGoethe: Williamsburg broolklyn would be a nitemare for u. hipster centetral.plaid and skinny pants n beards
trinque: WolfGoethe: I live in portland oregon, hipster mecca
trinque: serious influx of californians lately too, it seems
asciilifeform: decimation: to make long story short, the folks at macrofab are helpful and apparently well-intentioned, but they assemble using slaves, and it shows.
decimation: trinque: they are fleeing the reconquistada as well as usg 'sitting' upon silicon valley
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah in their podcast they said that most of their placement was by hand, save the 'house parts'
asciilifeform: decimation: double-digit defect rate.
decimation: 90-95% yield is fairly acceptable
decimation: but not with simple parts
asciilifeform: it very seldom gets simpler than what i had them make
decimation: what is the smallest pitch on your smt parts?
asciilifeform: 100% 0805 passives, two soic-8 ics
asciilifeform: it was deliberately designed for hand-assembly
decimation: heh that's not exactly challenging
asciilifeform: one would think!
asciilifeform: well, there is a third ic, sot353
asciilifeform: so that'd be the smallest pitch
asciilifeform: but oddly enough, that one is 100% on target
decimation: it might be on the pick n' place. or maybe the 'best' tech does the small stuff
decimation: asciilifeform: was there tombstoning?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49300 @ 0.00031292 = 15.427 BTC [-]
decimation: you would have to try hard to tombstone an 0805
mike_c: ;;later tell mircea_popescu: requeting 1 eulor acct please
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18200 @ 0.00031909 = 5.8074 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: decimation: not visibly
decimation: asciilifeform: have you used a 'termtek' dumb terminal like so: http://www.termtek.de/635b.htm
asciilifeform: decimation: can't say that i have
asciilifeform: looks surprisingly 'modern'
decimation: I want to used for a 'remote head' on a server
decimation: in combination with rs-422 adapters to send serial over cat5
decimation: plus, is fanless
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19211 @ 0.00031367 = 6.0259 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66250 @ 0.00032439 = 21.4908 BTC [+]
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