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mircea_popescu: decimation the notion of carrying a portable cooker in your lap as a male should be pretty self-defeating
decimation: yes, but in exchange for poor posture, you gain 'can carry with luggage'
decimation: mircea_popescu: of course, don't rest it on your balls
mircea_popescu: because what, i'm the servant, and gotta make do with whatever ?
trinque: lol I try to keep the thing away from the balls
mircea_popescu: luggage is what i say it is
mircea_popescu: not what some clerk somewhere feels like lifting up
asciilifeform: e.g. trinitron
asciilifeform: (what do you do when clerk drops the trinitron ?)
mircea_popescu: but all this aside, not that more's needed : i never bought a premade computer in my lyf.
asciilifeform: charge the airline what it'd cost to blow a new one ?
mircea_popescu: i don't see why i would, either.
decimation: or you want information in your console while in transit
decimation: that's a better argument, but still lame given that most computing components use close designs; firmware
decimation: in fact, why not use a stallman 'libreboot' laptop?
mircea_popescu: by this reason, since all humans use closed designs, there's no benefit to accounting
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mircea_popescu: the fact that i decide the matches is actually sufficient.
cazalla: http://dpaste.com/28TJGEE.txt interest part of an aussie article
cazalla: interesting even
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: y'know, at some point one of us needs to write the canonical 'specificity of diddling theorem' article.
mircea_popescu: i thought it was written
asciilifeform: not afaik
asciilifeform: iirc it exists as two sentences in an old mircea_popescu piece, and several dozen lines of log here
decimation: !s diddling
assbot: 70 results for 'diddling' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=diddling
mircea_popescu: well then go for it!
trinque: ^ I'd have expected far more
asciilifeform shiva hands full, will be writing broadcast -and- testing 32 rng units this weekend
trinque: any idea what a cardano might cost yet?
decimation: asciilifeform: I certainly understanding that having firmware in hand is not a full defense against diddling, but it is a strong start
asciilifeform: trinque: as a rough guide, expect it to cost around what your computer cost.
asciilifeform: (deliberately roomy set of bounds here, yes)
trinque: yep
decimation: raspberry pi or xeon server?
trinque: as the thing has no real alternative.. should command a price that reflects it
asciilifeform: trinque: understand that the first crate will be given to mircea_popescu, who has the unenviable chore of deciding precisely what to do with it
trinque: ah k
mircea_popescu: i've had worse.
asciilifeform tries to picture this 'worse'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what are we looking at here, product available by autumn ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if our manufacturing phriends continue their good work, then very much so. incidentally i am in the process of investigating a possible alternative firm
asciilifeform: just in case.
asciilifeform really wishes presently that someone might fix the engine in therealbitcoin train, because presently it appears to only move when i push it
asciilifeform: for example, anyone try a uclibc build yet ?
asciilifeform: it is necessary for, e.g., pogo
asciilifeform: and overall retardation removal
mircea_popescu: lol conductor's fallacy eh.
mircea_popescu: jurov's trying to get you folks to stop ruining his mailer an mod6's been profiling to quote jus' off top of head
cazalla: how's this.. muh bank uses this select 3 icons from 9 icons as 2FA when logging in except they've recently changed all the icons except the 3 i use to login
trinque: probably did that for everbody, and made some distinction about "legacy" icons or some nonsense
trinque: re: bitcoind thread, I'm a hair above useless in C++, and also swapping heavily; however, maybe a page on the foundation site for available missions might help?
trinque: as somebody who might have an afternoon here or there, that plus the right sequence of patches to get to whatever the present state is would help me contribute time efficiently
mircea_popescu: trinque it's a republic not a corporation, ppls are supposed to pick up stuff they're good at and a good fit for
mircea_popescu: corporation is "gotta give everyone something to fill their company hours with"
trinque: yeah, that makes sense
asciilifeform fondling argentine 100 peso banknote in left hand, notices mention of 'social justice' on one side
trinque: probably no easy way to make the deturding casual side-work
asciilifeform: l0l what do you suppose it is for me
trinque: hey man, you lamented the lack of hands
trinque: I suspect we all have to eat
trinque: however, when the republic starts its first software company give me a holler :D
asciilifeform: eh you need money for that
trinque: actually, I guess the ministry of games takes that cake
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform el minimo respeto!
asciilifeform falls d0wn
mircea_popescu: trinque speaking of which, game got icons! for all the... 1k!!11 items involved.
mircea_popescu: and player models.
mircea_popescu: and so on.
trinque: nice
trinque: I downloaded it for to be checking out maybe this weekend
mircea_popescu: nah not released yet.
trinque: ah ok
mircea_popescu: that's an old version, 0.1 will be coming out!
trinque: found a link somewheres
trinque: sweet!
mircea_popescu: currently it's 0.0.4 iirc
decimation: !up liquidassets
liquidassets: Can't wait to lose the chaff when they go on their fork
danielpbarron: liquidassets, nice work
liquidassets: I'm mostly spectator for now
liquidassets: but it's interesting to watch
liquidassets: plenty of skin in the game..
liquidassets: you know what this world lacks? at least the world I've grown up in..?
liquidassets: discernment
liquidassets: no one knows who the fuck knows what they're actually talking about
liquidassets: no one knows how to shut their mouth, put their head down, and follow.
danielpbarron: speaking of which, get in the WoT
liquidassets: Or discern what is what or who is real
mircea_popescu: liquidassets who're you ?
liquidassets: mirchea_popescu: right here
liquidassets: ok..uncloaked this time again..unsure about my gpg skills
liquidassets: I always seem to lose the ability to log on..seems I have the best luck with the link to irc #b-a from the mainpage
liquidassets: but have had a terrible time using colloquy from my desktop
mircea_popescu: ;;google colloquy
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liquidassets: ok, here goes: newb me..liquidassets this time
mircea_popescu: i think everyone here uses xchat or irssi
mircea_popescu: !up liquidassets
danielpbarron: handle 20 MB blocks right now.
danielpbarron: do support bigger blocks and sooner rather than later. But we cannot
danielpbarron: http://sourceforge.net/p/bitcoin/mailman/message/34157036/ >> Hello. I am from F2Pool. We are currently mining the biggest blocks on the network. So far top 100 biggest bitcoin blocks are all from us. We
decimation: pete_dushenski: are you still in der Schweiz?
liquidassets: fuck yeah Pete's here
liquidassets: pete_dushenski: I remember when I beat you 15-0: 15-0 weren't you at that Vancouver tournament?
danielpbarron: !up pete_dushenski
pete_dushenski: thx dan !
pete_dushenski: liquidassets eh ?
pete_dushenski: i'm guessing you mean badminton, but i don't recall having ever played in vancouver
liquidassets: Heh he, so you remember then
pete_dushenski: not that i was never bagelled.
liquidassets: okay maybe you got a few points
pete_dushenski: liquidassets would i remember your irl name ?
liquidassets: Looks like you do..?
pete_dushenski: lol nope.
liquidassets: oh nvrmind dan p..
pete_dushenski: i played tournies in montreal, winnipeg, saskatoon, calgary, edmonton... and golf tournaments in victoria... but i really dun think i played badminton in vancouver.
liquidassets: hmm maybe not, but you look pretty familiar, I'm almost certain we were at a few of the same tourneys
liquidassets: I've played in Montreal and Calgary if I remember correctly, I know for sure I was in Quebec
liquidassets: we're talking 96' maybe..
pete_dushenski: then you're mistaken, my man.
pete_dushenski: i was playing 5-10 years later.
liquidassets: did you start later?
pete_dushenski: decimation yup, au lausanne aujourd'hui
liquidassets: yeah I was done by 2000
decimation: sounds like a nice place
pete_dushenski: decimation finally get to lean on my french a bit !
pete_dushenski: liquidassets later than what ?
decimation: heh yeah isn't the north and central more german-speaking?
pete_dushenski: 2000 ? ya
pete_dushenski: decimation mhm
pete_dushenski: though in bern, everyone says "merci"
pete_dushenski: instead of danke
pete_dushenski: even though hardly anyone but bartenders speaks a lick of french
pete_dushenski: liquidassets did you ever win any tournaments ?
liquidassets: Any? sure
pete_dushenski: such as ?
liquidassets: I thought for sure we played doubles at some point. Haven't been into it for awhile
liquidassets: no big tournaments..actually I won one mixed doubles international tournament. My partner I was set up with was from Taipei
pete_dushenski: liquidassets well, the "p" surname doesn't really give me much to go on.
liquidassets: you were talking to the other dan...
pete_dushenski: when ? where ? be specific man. we don't have to dance around all day
mircea_popescu: laters mob
liquidassets: Manhattan Beach used to have an international badminton tournament every year
pete_dushenski: adios mp !
liquidassets: Canadians always made a showing, Peru, Argentina, Taipei, Jamaica..
liquidassets: ever go to it?
pete_dushenski: can't say i did.
liquidassets: How far did you take it? Were you on a national team or did you just fuck around in high school?
decimation: !up liquidassets
decimation: !up pete_dushenski
pete_dushenski: thx decimation
pete_dushenski: liquidassets played nationals 3 times, played club tournaments for 7-8 years, played college and won a few tournaments, won high school provincials
pete_dushenski: "I know most blocks would not be 20 MB over night. But only if a small fraction of blocks more than 10 MB, it could dramatically increase of our orphan rate, result of higher fee
pete_dushenski: to miners." << suck it, gavin.
pete_dushenski: there's your consensus for you.
pete_dushenski: there's your "community"
pete_dushenski: that, a trillion sm accounts, and $5 buys you coffee
liquidassets: pete_dushenski what game did you like better singles or doubles?
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pete_dushenski: liquidassets i was always a better doubles player. i'm too big, too white, and my size 12s are too slow to compete in singles.
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pete_dushenski: i was a strong defensive doubles player in my heyday.
pete_dushenski: today, i'm in better physical shape and can play singles and offensive doubles just as well.
liquidassets: Haha nice
pete_dushenski: though my joints don't have the endurance to play 10 games in a day anymore so i just play for fun once a week or so.
pete_dushenski: liquidassets were you more proficient at singles or doubles ?
pete_dushenski: "A group of bikers will hold a Muhammad cartoon-drawing contest outside a Phoenix-area mosque on Friday and they've been told to come armed in case of a "much-anticipated attack."" << inb4 the cops blame the mosque for starting the ensuing shoot-out
liquidassets: Doubles is more technical and more fun to play, by 16 I was hardly mediocre in singles at the international level
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mircea_popescu: on the topic of "the broken husk of a world the imbeciles born before us left behind", and the sacrifices ~IT~ must make to redeem itself and become acceptable for us, http://trilema.com/2015/the-greatest-failure-in-modern-legal-history-the-story-of-joshua-dratel/#comment-114388
mircea_popescu: chick has an excellent description (in her area of interest) that is not merely of the area in question, but of the world in general
mircea_popescu: which is the common and imo sensible criterion to distinguish the artist from the common (wo)man : the world in a raindrop effect.
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cazalla: that is probably the worst tumblr link i've yet to see in here
mircea_popescu: cazalla nice.
mircea_popescu: haha, why ?
mircea_popescu: "raffic which is claimed by Zhang to be around 2500 unique visitors per day." lulziest part.
cazalla: because not even samuel l jackson had that in mind when he said he eats everything
cazalla: fuck, got my zhous and zhangs mixed up
mircea_popescu: you never ate a chicks nose drool ?
cazalla: these guys just moved on from alibaba to bitcoin it seems
cazalla: not consciously but hey whatever pleases you
cazalla: you do all sorts of crazy shit on that sherm eh
mircea_popescu: apparently.
cazalla: watched that last night, at least for the first time in full, not a bad movie
mircea_popescu: true romance ? it's great, provided you have the director's cut
mircea_popescu: what the studio released is piss. and the comparison an interesting exercise in how "management" can fuck up a movie even when having everything needed for greatness in a neat package.
cazalla: well shit, i'm not sure which copy i have
mircea_popescu: does it end with them on a beach ?
cazalla: yeah, with a kid
cazalla: what's the difference, just the ending?
mircea_popescu: some bits here and there, and the ending, yeah.
mircea_popescu: but qt was fucking incensed at the time, and i agree he had a point.
chetty: I been hearing an ad for a TV show ...Dark Web, apparently all about Silk Road
cazalla: mr robot?
cazalla: 8chan.net/pol is pretty sure that one is about them
mircea_popescu: cazalla kinda what adolescents have been doing since forever, neh ? pick a movie/music video/whatevs and imagine it was "about them".
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cazalla: well it wouldn't be the first time tv writers have use chans for story lines
mircea_popescu: or vice-versa >D
cazalla: yeah that too.. other idea is that the writers are shitposting about their show to drum up some viral marketing type shit knowing that /pol/ will and has run with it
mircea_popescu: anyway, in fairness what i'm saying is that i don't believe that chan is impressive enough in bodycount to constitute a market anyone would wish to cater to, creating the tv version of hot topic, nor intellectually impressive enough to constitute anyone's thought leadership.
mircea_popescu: but i could be wrong on either score, obviously.
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mircea_popescu: if you feel like giving me a top 5 or whatever most relevant ideas coming out of /pol/ i'd read it.
cazalla: 5 might be a little tough
mircea_popescu: i'll take anything.
cazalla: well i guess the multi-culti immigration might be a start, not that i mind immigrants but i think they are somewhat right in that it undermines social trust in a community
mircea_popescu: this is by no means a novel point, or all that aptly expressed there, is it ?
cazalla: i just see my own anecdotes mirrored there.. grew up in a homogeneous society where everywhere knew everyone.. 25 years later that is no longer the case
cazalla: but then the argument usually veers towards this being the fault of jews
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cazalla: but then that is sorta like blacks blaming whites for their predicament
mircea_popescu: well at least it's not blaming the freemasons.
mircea_popescu: or loose women
cazalla: they blame both of those too
mircea_popescu: (actually, there IS a trend of angry older men trying to make these issues about "whores", but general social discourse's keeping them well repressed atm)
cazalla: they blame loose women for the down fall of the family unit
cazalla: don't get me wrong.. i like the idea of a strong family unit.. but i also like the idea of loose whores provided the strong family doesn't find out
mircea_popescu: anyway i suspect there isn't a way out. historically, the "civilised world" was rich and powerful because it enjoyed a monopoly on trade, built out of scientific and military effort. the twerps in question, joe average, decided to quit supporting the industrial-military complex (chiefly because they got burned twice in 16-18 and then in 39-44, and it hurt badly, esp the 2nd time, and so it's understandable)
mircea_popescu: as a result, it collapsed, and as a result there is absolutely no reason they should make more than a dollar a day.
mircea_popescu: which is where everyone's headed, from alabama to tasmania.
mircea_popescu: which i don't see any problem whatsoever with, but then again i'm privileged, or as alf put it, "rootless kosmopolitanski"
cazalla: so i still read /pol/ daily but i can easily point out where i am hypocritcal on just about everything discussed there.. do as i say, not as i do sort of thing is really what it comes down to
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mircea_popescu: the question of "what exactly is so speshul about joe doe that he should live other than in a hovel like random nigerian" is paramount, and none of the anti-imigration types seem inclined to address it.
mircea_popescu: so... why is he special ?
mircea_popescu: once we get an answer to that we can start discussing how to oppress the nigerian again, at which point "immigration policy" may be on the agenda. not befoar.
mircea_popescu: and the family unit is more of the same. why should 85% have any access to women at all, and why should the 1% not get 94% of all the pleasantly nubile stoyas out there, with the remainder 6% going to the 14% aspirational betas ?
cazalla: well he's not special and in saying that, i'm not special, but i like but can't explain my desire of social cohesion, which is why i like the hitler videos with endless crowds
mircea_popescu: that's the natural distribution in a 2 million strong society : 10k blokes with a harem averaging high 80s headcounts, 140k blokes double-tagging 60k hos and the rest watching the previous on instagram.
cazalla: i don't have egalitarian values so that the minority get the majority of anything does not bother me
mircea_popescu: cazalla there is something to be said for social cohesion, the problem with it is that it tends to flow towards all-germany / all-russia sort of constructs.
mircea_popescu: either trench warfare or "great leap forward" sorta crap.
mircea_popescu: society (as an immanent beast in human affairs) is scared to death of it, these days. i can see why.
mircea_popescu: i suspect for a while yet the only real social cohesion to be head will be in mmorpg raiding parties.
mircea_popescu: previously it was rock concerts, but that kind-of died somehow, which i find very weird.
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cazalla: i would guess because the last thing that matters is the music.. it's all seating arrangements etc now
cazalla: tickets, cds, tshirts.. it's an expensive hobby these days
mircea_popescu: maybe so
cazalla: mmorpg raids is an interesting thought.. i wonder what race demos of that is
mircea_popescu: i personally care a lot more about the fact that there are no movies/bands/anything worth going to see
mircea_popescu: than the fact that some random immigrant's drooling over random 16yo neighbour.
cazalla: my problem with immigrants is that i grew up knowing my neighbours, my community, it was homogeneous and everyone knew everyone (also was a small town)
mircea_popescu: broadway's fucking dead, think about it - it was born out of the need to provide entertainment on the cheap for the hordes of stated insland escapees
cazalla: in the suburbs just outside the city there is none of that and the idea that you know who lives around you is a foreign idea to everyone i've met down here
mircea_popescu: and now... what ? da fuck does it do.
mircea_popescu: cazalla well the idea of community based on geographic proximity / random accident like that is certainly taken a beating on account of the internets. used to be you had a shot at random neighouring cunt just on the grounds of being neighbouring, at some point.
mircea_popescu: nowadays location's nigh on irrelevant.
cazalla: yes i remember a trilema article along the lines of this
cazalla: or maybe it was discussed in logs but made sense in any case
mircea_popescu: prolly was.
cazalla: pol also made it clear that prior generations always had one that came after it which was seen as worse than the one before it, at least until now
mircea_popescu: not true.
cazalla: it's sorta agreed there that this might be the first generation which is more of a pussy than the last
mircea_popescu: human civilisation fails periodically.
mircea_popescu: russia and central europe had a generation of failures that got kicked out in the 90s.
mircea_popescu: china had a generation of failures that got kicked out in the 30s, that's what the entire revolution was about. china actually has lots of these.
mircea_popescu: pick a country and i'll tell you at least one example.
cazalla: i believe you, just sorta reveals the size of the timeline you and i think on
mircea_popescu: austria had one during friedrich's reign and most of europe had one in the 1790s / 1800s
cazalla: the world began in 1982, didn't ya know? :P
mircea_popescu: ah, there is that.
mircea_popescu: heck, woodstock is exactly this "you suck" moment of the us. much blander than historically the norm.
mircea_popescu: (friedrich of teschen, for the readership. ww1 implosion)
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mircea_popescu: incidentally re https://twitter.com/stoya/status/604010790950150144 BingoBoingo danielpbarron or anyone still having a shitter acct : tell the girl i'm giving her 1 bitcoin and help her collect ?
mircea_popescu: but be nice. if there's a woman that earned the right to be treated well, stoya's it.
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assbot: Logged on 30-05-2015 06:10:25; pete_dushenski: "A group of bikers will hold a Muhammad cartoon-drawing contest outside a Phoenix-area mosque on Friday and they've been told to come armed in case of a "much-anticipated attack."" << inb4 the cops blame the mosque for starting the ensuing shoot-out
mircea_popescu: hopefully they have enough sense to use 5:1 mix of armor piercing / high explosive-incendiary ammo.
mircea_popescu would like to see a pink wv beetle with an avenger gun mounted.
mircea_popescu: "it can do 0-100 in 27 seconds going forward on the engine and 0-100 in 0.5 seconds going backwards on the gun"
cazalla: heh
mircea_popescu: "it also can take out any police vehicle in one shot"
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williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Doing
mircea_popescu: !up yang
mircea_popescu: yang what is this fsf thing doing ? is it still even active ?
punkman: http://sakurity.com/blog/2015/05/21/starbucks.html probably how some of the 50% discount starbuck giftcards were created
mircea_popescu: mthreat ^ :D
mircea_popescu: punkman in any case, chasing around these idiots trying to help them is a stupid idea.
mircea_popescu: take their money, let them come here and beg for getting it back.
mircea_popescu: force them to have someone on 24/7 with a valid gpg sign, the works.
mircea_popescu: respect is earned, at the point of a pointed stick.
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punkman: I don't know why the derps keep doing free work for mega-companies
mircea_popescu: they don't know alternatives exist, is my guess.
mircea_popescu: perhaps overly optimistic.
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punkman: best case you get $3.50, worst case you get sued/arrested. doesn't make much sense.
williamdunne: A lot of companies give out hefty bug bounties, in fairness
mircea_popescu: williamdunne none of these shits that figure they own the world.
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mircea_popescu: that's the most peculiar invoice i ever saw. yo udon't say who's invoicing, who's being invoiced, it references no contract, how's anyone to use that ? (not that it's any of my business)
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williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Yeah, its fairly informal
danielpbarron: !up rwg
jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147849 i don't see any "venting to the street there" it's supposed to hat the air indoors in winter
assbot: Logged on 29-05-2015 23:23:02; assbot: Logged on 29-05-2015 13:35:27; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-05-2015#1147610 << notice that it wants to vent to the street if you don't want the heat. let me guess, air intake is -not- selectable. this means that it would eat your air-conditioned air in the summer, heat it, and blow to the street. scam.
jurov: *heat the air... and since it's needed only seasonally, it can be upgraded every summer, i suppose
mod6: <+asciilifeform> for example, anyone try a uclibc build yet ? << I was planning to test this on the gentoo box that I built, but it was AWS. I'm going to be picking up a cheap box this weekend to finish up the gentoo guide & then test how it compiles with uclibc afterward. I'm putting in a line about it in the SoBA this month.
mod6: And my v0.5.3.1-RELEASE + patche(s) { Orphanage Thermonuke } + { TX Orphanage Amputation } is up to block: 237452
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 210600 @ 0.00034101 = 71.8167 BTC [-] {4}
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> [10:29] previously it was rock concerts, but that kind-of died somehow << it mutated into the 'festival' circuit
asciilifeform: jurov: the article specifically mentioned that the server runs continuously, but the house thermostat controls a selectable vent to the street (hence must be installed on an outer wall)
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-05-2015#1148530 << i don't remember the turks having had 'instagram' ...
assbot: Logged on 30-05-2015 10:28:18; mircea_popescu: that's the natural distribution in a 2 million strong society : 10k blokes with a harem averaging high 80s headcounts, 140k blokes double-tagging 60k hos and the rest watching the previous on instagram.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-05-2015#1148572 << i somehow missed the explanation, if there ever was one, re: the how, what, and why of stoya
assbot: Logged on 30-05-2015 12:02:42; mircea_popescu: but be nice. if there's a woman that earned the right to be treated well, stoya's it.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-05-2015#1148577 << what does mircea_popescu picture american shootouts being conducted with? panzerfaust ?
assbot: Logged on 30-05-2015 12:31:23; mircea_popescu: hopefully they have enough sense to use 5:1 mix of armor piercing / high explosive-incendiary ammo.
asciilifeform: 'The unpleasant part is a guy from Starbucks calling me with nothing like “thanks” but mentioning “fraud” and “malicious actions” instead. Sweet!' << moral: sell it to spammers next time. for btc.
asciilifeform: 'give war a chance' (TM) (R)
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-05-2015#1148595 << actually i suspect i know why. they want to eat. (there is still a misguided notion floating around that 'disclosure' can get you hired as 'seekoority' business)
assbot: Logged on 30-05-2015 14:55:44; punkman: I don't know why the derps keep doing free work for mega-companies
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-05-2015#1148596 << except that they approximately don't exist. average schmuck knows of nothing like a reasonably safe way to monetize an 0day
assbot: Logged on 30-05-2015 14:56:17; mircea_popescu: they don't know alternatives exist, is my guess.
asciilifeform: hell, i'm personally sitting on a stash of 0days that i can't do anything practical with.
asciilifeform: and this is likely true for most folks who have even a passing interest in reversing
asciilifeform: if you don't have an 'in' to the correct 'world', you're out in the cold.
asciilifeform: can either publish, anonymously or jailably; or sit on it. those are the choices.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-05-2015#1148600 << -nobody- pays anything like what the goods are worth in the underground.
assbot: Logged on 30-05-2015 15:05:18; williamdunne: A lot of companies give out hefty bug bounties, in fairness
asciilifeform: 'bug bounties' are without exception - sad jokes
asciilifeform: think of it this way (possibly paraphrasing old thread.) imagine you discovered a cache of plutonium bricks in your back yard. (rtg in space probe fell apart?) would you let them go to a scrap dealer for 100 usd each? knowing that they are worth millions, and at the same time risking your arse by revealing that you ever had them to begin with? or would you say 'fuck you' and dig a deeper hole?
asciilifeform: this sorta dovetails into mircea_popescu's 'schmucks can't own gold' article
asciilifeform: see also the example of farmers who burned their crops and livestock rather than submit to 'collectivization'
asciilifeform: back to the 0day thing - it is what is known as a 'tournament market.'
asciilifeform: where folks sweat and kill themselves with digging for free, in hopes of getting a few crumbs from the master's table.
asciilifeform: a select few have the meatwot to actually profit.
assbot: Logged on 22-03-2015 16:53:09; assbot: Logged on 06-03-2015 03:29:02; mircea_popescu: making money is a purely ~political~ function. if you are among the favoured elite of the respublica veneta, you then may invest in the ships, and make a profit. if not, not.
assbot: Logged on 06-03-2015 03:29:25; mircea_popescu: if you are one of the people buying belgian rubber concessions on the stock exchanges, you make money. if you're in africa, you make quick with the hands and feet.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73000 @ 0.00033725 = 24.6193 BTC [-] {3}
chetty: see also the example of farmers who burned their crops and livestock rather than submit to 'collectivization'//worthy action
jurov: !up liquidassets
liquidassets: gracias
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14018 @ 0.00034651 = 4.8574 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25257 @ 0.00034732 = 8.7723 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6650 @ 0.00033637 = 2.2369 BTC [-]
jurov: lulz
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83400 @ 0.00032856 = 27.4019 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40450 @ 0.00033192 = 13.4262 BTC [+]
mod6: ok, drove all over timbuktu and got a rebuilt pos box to test out this gentoo stuff.
ben_vulpes: noice
mod6: let's just hope that it gets the job done :]
mod6: the scary thing is going to be my bill for aws in may
ben_vulpes: those bandwidth charges, eh?
mod6: yeah, used a lot of b/w, but also was running up to 3 different m3.mediums at some points.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes maybe, tho i kinda doubt it. you have any idea what an iron maiden / acdc / aerosmith thing was like ?
mircea_popescu: 100k fucken people. each town. european tour = 20, 30, 50mn sold tickets.
nubbins`: ;;later tell gabriel_laddel 남양주시, 경기도
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mod6: i'd have liked to see AC|DC back in the day
nubbins`: just outside of seoul
mod6: you are?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's this scrawny serbian chick that has and prominently displays the correct female attitude.
mircea_popescu: jurov the thing is based o nsomething like <1% service. if you imagine they can touch every item every year...
mircea_popescu: that's bankruptcy.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the turks had scheherezade nevertheless.
mircea_popescu: how do you think gossip was born ?
mircea_popescu: eastern societies' need to distribute the vicarious fucking.
mircea_popescu: mod6 in the 80s sort of thig. yeah.
mod6: yeah
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the alternative is, post it here, turn it into a weapon against the idiots that be.
mircea_popescu: but what "the thing is worth" is a complex issue.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39443 @ 0.00034821 = 13.7344 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35157 @ 0.00035034 = 12.3169 BTC [+] {4}
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ... post it here, turn it into a weapon << as mircea_popescu well knows, weapons do not fight by themselves. (outside of norse legend)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what "the thing is worth" is a complex issue << let's put it this way. my crops are worth more to me burned than given to kolhoz.
asciilifeform: to friends - sure
asciilifeform: to kolhoz - fuck'em
mircea_popescu: that i can see.
mircea_popescu: but the fetlife thing, for instance, is certainly intended as a standard.
mircea_popescu: i don't need "to eat", certainly not from derpy canadian rottinculo
mircea_popescu: and moreover, blowing a hole the size of their head in their arse is fun.
asciilifeform rather happy that no one ever wrote a pediwankia page about -him-
felipelalli: stolfi is a Brazilian very known bitcoin hater.
mircea_popescu: the only thing in /wikipedia/ too
asciilifeform: felipelalli: where in the standard taxonomy of 'bitcoin haters' does he fall ?
felipelalli: asciilifeform: see his twitter: https://twitter.com/jorgestolfi
asciilifeform: 'there is only one gold-like element' << wai wat??!
felipelalli: asciilifeform: he is a Computer Science professor, but he is a communist. He think makes no sense to invest into Bitcoin.
asciilifeform: !s gallium
assbot: 25 results for 'gallium' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=gallium
felipelalli: I don't know why he put the Mircea Popescu page in his personal website, but I did realize it before browsing on his page.
asciilifeform: 'validation cost scales as N^2' << wai wat
mircea_popescu: he has a superficial understanding of some issues about at the level of a waiter overhearing a something awful buttcoin center meeting.
mircea_popescu: then again, i suppose this is good for the third world.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: so far i am not seeing even 'superficial level of understanding'
mircea_popescu: your standards are too high.
felipelalli: he has many Brazilians followers that support his hatery to Bitcoin. He dedicated his life to spread lies.
mircea_popescu: he's in academia, whadda ya want.
asciilifeform: it is not -strictly- necessary to be retarded to work there
felipelalli: I feel ashamed to have studied at the same university he teaches.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i suppose defloration's also not strictly necessary to work at the brothel.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13650 @ 0.00034541 = 4.7148 BTC [-]
felipelalli: He says Bitcoin has a "fake scarcity" because there are shitcoins in the market! lol
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: given the world's apparent preoccupation with the bunghole, it is probably not in fact necessary...
mircea_popescu: felipelalli i don't think anyone seriously cares about this guy anymore than about the average forum lolcow.
asciilifeform: 'Mirrored projects are sometimes used to deliver easy-to-decline third-party offers, and the original downloads are always available.'
felipelalli: mircea_popescu: I agree with you.
asciilifeform: ^ 'sourceforge' replaces winblows exes with malware
mircea_popescu: "tyhey're always available!111"
asciilifeform: ahahahaha.
felipelalli: !s bitcoinxt
assbot: 2 results for 'bitcoinxt' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=bitcoinxt
mircea_popescu: eh, in their case it'd be a relevancy gain
asciilifeform: http://www.ofnumbers.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/bitcoinland-april-2015.png << 'let's pretend certain things don't exist, maybe they will vanish'
mircea_popescu: hey, it worked with their sex drive...
asciilifeform: what happened to their sex drive? bad blocks ?
asciilifeform: head crash ?
mircea_popescu: it went away
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58700 @ 0.00032781 = 19.2424 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: !up referredbyloper
trinque: asciilifeform: ^ I think this is one of the agents assigned to you.
trinque: lurking silently
asciilifeform can haz better clownz ?
trinque: heh, no you get silent bob and meowmix
asciilifeform: don't forget mr spam.
trinque: ah yes
jurov: 1mpif
jurov: !mpif
assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021368 B (Total: 467.27 B). Delta: 0.09 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.000207 BTC [+]
jurov: !t m f.mpif
assbot: [MPEX:F.MPIF] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: / / ( shares, BTC), 30D: 0.000206 / 0.00020666 / 0.000207 (89560 shares, 18.51 BTC)
BingoBoingo: <felipelalli> I feel ashamed to have studied at the same university he teaches. << Have you seen Animal House, may offer room for finding pride.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i'm a bit fuzzy on the rules of the game, but that's the fella who doesn't do any running, no ?
trinque: as a nascent lisper, I run into so many 404s, or if lucky abandoned repositories
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34200 @ 0.00033515 = 11.4621 BTC [+]
trinque: CLIM in particular seems to have fallen down the memory hole
felipelalli: BingoBoingo: I did not watch yet, do you recommend?
asciilifeform: trinque: it didn't help that many clim folks were (are?) using $maxint commercial lisps
trinque: ah I see, this is because of all the dead lisp companies?
asciilifeform: trinque: oddly enough, the two firms in question are alive!
asciilifeform: franz inc. and lispworks
asciilifeform: if you have a spare 5-10k usd, can go play.
trinque: ah ok, lol
trinque: I do not
trinque will play with sbcl and mcclim instead, and see if he can build a back-yard nuke
trinque: this clim model where the UI doodads map directly onto data structures, and the whole thing's practically speaking a REPL with graphics capabilities... I love it
trinque: have to find some way of making use of this stuff in real life
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Yeah. In that particular variant that guy doesn't have to run
BingoBoingo: felipelalli: It is a great movie for people who need perspective on their higher education experiences
jurov: !up referredbyloper
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46893 @ 0.00033482 = 15.7007 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17450 @ 0.00033477 = 5.8417 BTC [-]
gribble: The operation succeeded.
funkenstein_: fucking thank you mircea popescu for the story of joshua dratel
funkenstein_: if you was a dwarf i would send thanks by sending my daughters over
funkenstein_: but you'd have to escrow a tidy sum to allay my fears they come back shaven
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12567 @ 0.00033477 = 4.2071 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 139724 @ 0.00032564 = 45.4997 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19182 @ 0.00033459 = 6.4181 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39677 @ 0.00033938 = 13.4656 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42100 @ 0.00032732 = 13.7802 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29271 @ 0.00033841 = 9.9056 BTC [+]
williamdunne: Anyone got some good reading material to suggest? Novels preferred
asciilifeform: williamdunne: 'anathem' (neal stephenson)
thestringpuller: snow crash is my favorite stephenson novel.
thestringpuller: but alf was never a pizza delivery guy so he can't relate.
asciilifeform: i was never the creatures pictured in 'anathem' either, l0l
asciilifeform: (or was i...)
williamdunne: Yeah okay that sounds pretty cool
williamdunne: I'll give it a shot, thanks
asciilifeform: it isn't really like anything else, not even other stephensons
asciilifeform: some - love, some - hate.
BingoBoingo: williamdunne: Another usefull asciilifeform suggested reading is 'Wasp' I think it was our book club book a bit before you arrived
williamdunne: Same guy?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90200 @ 0.00033283 = 30.0213 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: williamdunne: Yeah, there's a link to a pdf of it somewhere in here
williamdunne: Can't stand reading off of screens, I'll order the paperback
BingoBoingo: Ah, just figured with the drama and lulz recently people would be moving any spare fiat into Bitcoin. Drama is the closest thing Bitcoin has to a price signal.
cazalla: bah misread for 2015 for some reason but anyway
decimation: cazalla: I think the truth is that fags run the tv/newspapers in the us
decimation: so politicians pander
decimation: plus they give big donations
BingoBoingo: So neighborhood cat started its slaughter early tonight
cazalla: give it a bowl of anti freeze
BingoBoingo: As long as it keeps killing critters less desirable than itself it is fine
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15233 @ 0.00033298 = 5.0723 BTC [+]
cazalla: BingoBoingo, you might enjoy this thread http://8ch.net/b/res/2913764.html
asciilifeform would like cats even - especially - if they killed people
BingoBoingo: Cats killing people would be a plus.
williamdunne: I didn't know they could make people out of plasticine nao
cazalla: if i had to choose, i think i'd opt for the african african than american african
decimation: asciilifeform: plenty of big cats can kill people
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45265 @ 0.00032767 = 14.832 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: decimation: well yes
decimation: felis domesticus is overpopulated anyway. haven't you see bob barker?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25185 @ 0.00032353 = 8.1481 BTC [-]
decimation: asciilifeform: the rate of blockchain sync seems to go down when you get to block 220000 or so
decimation: with the thermonuke patch applied
asciilifeform: decimation: all thermonuke nodes will experience 'doldrums'
asciilifeform: just as, i might add, ordinary ones
decimation: it seems to trip on big piles of 'bastard blocks'
asciilifeform: trip as in terminates ?
asciilifeform: or fails to move for a day straight ?
decimation: no it moves, but at a slower rate, maybe one block per 10-60 seconds
asciilifeform: decimation: for how long did you observe this ?
asciilifeform: (one of my early, unreleased experiments had a disconnector that tripped when we learn that the node we're syncing from is spewing orphans above threshold. perhaps time to bring this back ?)
decimation: I'm still observing it
asciilifeform: yes, but how long has this particular node been stuck?
asciilifeform: and has it reconnected to new peers? or pulling from one ?
decimation: does the debug.log contain that kind of information?
asciilifeform: ought to be watching it, if running a node
decimation: I don't see it. do I need to run with -debug?
asciilifeform: tail -f ~/.bitcoin/debug.log
decimation: are those ip addresses in hex?
decimation: I'm getting plenty of messages like: "ERROR: ConnectInputs() : 2b75371e92 mapTransactions prev not found e5e2cf8270"
asciilifeform: these are sop
asciilifeform: and no, not ip
decimation: I don't have a firewall port open, so everything has to be outgoing
asciilifeform: familiarize yourself with an ordinary 0.5.3's output.
mod6: speaking of sync'ing tests: my v0.5.3.1-RELEASE + patche(s) { Orphanage Thermonuke } + { TX Orphanage Amputation } is up to block: 256863
decimation: the debug.log output isn't exactly very self-explanitory
decimation: I'm going to have to spelunk the codebase more
mod6: it doesn't hurt to run it in gdb either, putting break points at strategic places -- then you can watch it go through the entire process
decimation: I jiggled the handle on the node's network connection and it seems to have forced the ratio of bastards/accepted lower
decimation: in fact now I see no bastards. let me look and see if I can point fingers at a particular node
asciilifeform: decimation: in my experience, all such conditions have been transient.
asciilifeform: though sometimes lasting up to an hour.
ben_vulpes: have we done 20 meg bastard block accumulation yet?
ben_vulpes: ;;calc 20 * 700
gribble: 14000
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45550 @ 0.00032244 = 14.6871 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://nosuchlabs.com/stats << notice anything ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: That is just beautiful
decimation: heh the pnSeed array is lulzy
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 98550 @ 0.00033298 = 32.8152 BTC [+]
decimation: it's amusing that satoshi re-implemented MFC classes in his little util.* stuff. he was definitely a winblows VC++ guy
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu the next screamingly obvious step is to catalogue 'liar keys' - the most interesting species of which consists of keys where the claimed fingerprint stored with a modulus differs from the recomputed (by us) fingerprint. as per http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4880#section-12.2
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu this is yet another attribute of the animal we are hunting (the yet-undiscovered diddled pgp client.) almost certainly it shows the claimed fp rather than the actual.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
decimation: asciilifeform: why do the sks keyservers take the position that all crypto checks are 'up to the user'? would you expect your router to check ip/tcp headers?
asciilifeform: decimation: sks as presently running -does- check
asciilifeform: it just doesn't do anything in particular with the info, other than displaying it
decimation: imma clearly label the particles of shit in yer wine
decimation: !s MFC
assbot: 22 results for 'MFC' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=MFC
BingoBoingo: !up referredbyme
cazalla: lol
cazalla: it's all my free cams and me
decimation: !up referredbyurmom
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