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mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-03-2015#1063215 <<< note the important takeaway here. nothing keeps people in other places with shit banks from being intelligent, getting in wot, becoming part of the actual bitcoin marketplace. there's people here from all over the world. over time, a low effort / consumer thing like btcjam HAS TO devolve into the typical check advance / spam loan operation.
assbot: Logged on 22-03-2015 01:26:33; felipelalli: and, of course, 4) there are better investments than BTCJam to you.
trinque: felipelalli: there was a previous iteration which I will soon dump the history into the present incarnation
mircea_popescu: there are market forces pushing things certain ways and into certain niches, invisible hand and al lthat.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-03-2015#1063235 << there really isn't much requirement to speak any particular language or anything.
assbot: Logged on 22-03-2015 01:50:53; PeterL: do the speak english?
mircea_popescu: the beauty of the wot system is that it readily fragments, and whoever bridges bridges.
mircea_popescu: felipelalli has the opportunity to become a sort of speaker for the dead as it were, for a certain set of dead.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-03-2015#1063240 << actually, yes, i do. do you understand why they did that ?
assbot: Logged on 22-03-2015 01:52:03; felipelalli: But did you understand my point of make it automatic, fast, impersonal and passive? It is different.
felipelalli: lol mircea_popescu
felipelalli: mircea_popescu: no, may I know why?
mircea_popescu: well yes : suppose they have 500 users, which is about where intel puts it.
mircea_popescu: now, out of those 500, there's like ... 2 ike you. your "wot added value" is say 10 each.
mircea_popescu: there's another 48 dudes who are kinda derpy but still useful, their avg "wot added value is 1 each.
mircea_popescu: that's it. the 500 sums up to 70 value.
mircea_popescu: if they change it like they did, willy nilly it's 0.02 per, which comes to... 100. which is more.
mircea_popescu: in short : you were so diluted by idiots you didn't even realise your sum total human effort was worth less than a systematic, spammy approach to things.
mircea_popescu: sure, to you going from 10 to 0.2 is a terrible loss.
mircea_popescu: but for them, going from a 70 aggregate to a 100 aggregate is a net gain.
felipelalli: mircea_popescu: well thought out.
mircea_popescu: and so then you leave, and so they lost like, one of the two guys that actually did something, and that's the end of it.
mircea_popescu: which, again, is why things go certain ways, invisible hand and all that.
mircea_popescu: economics is not fanfiction.
felipelalli: mircea_popescu: amazing reasoning.
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
mircea_popescu: visible across the whole spectrum, how do you think myspace went from selling for a billion to turner to selling for 18 mn or w/e it sold off to.
mircea_popescu: and this is incidentally why i said earlier that they are not a business in the first place. it doesn't fucking matter what "others think". others don'tthink, others bray. thinking is above. and the thinking is, it takes two days for them to lose half the userbase that matters.
mircea_popescu: this is not a business.
mircea_popescu: it's an accident, and from the equity perspective, it's a disaster waiting to happen.
felipelalli: mircea_popescu: it is a pitty because it was (a kind of - or has potential to be) useful.
mircea_popescu: yeah well...
mircea_popescu: anyway, as to the interest rates, there was a discussion recently, and no, business rates aren't per month, you want to pay what, 3ish% a year or some shit.
felipelalli: this what they call APR
decimation: the 10 year treasuries are just under 2% in usd
mircea_popescu: apr is a consumer concept.
decimation: this tends to be a benchmark for those who are fronting money for business
mircea_popescu: we're talking corporate debentures here.
felipelalli: but in Brazil we are used to use per month. Maybe because per year would be ridiculous huge.
mircea_popescu: well also because your country just collapsed
mircea_popescu: for the howeverth time.
decimation: people do business in loans per month?
mircea_popescu: decimation you seen that btw ? delma found herself with like 2mn people in the capital.
mircea_popescu: decimation yes, people in africa, basically.
felipelalli: in Brazil too
decimation: was it a march for equality
felipelalli: BTCJam CEO is a Brazilian by the way
mircea_popescu: something like that, yeah. fucking scary by the looks of it.
felipelalli: friend of a personal close friend.
trinque: I too... love ass channel.
mircea_popescu: i was like o.O woman's getting beheaded.
felipelalli: trinque: thank you! I thought you are kidding when you said YOU would send me! :)
mircea_popescu: i think undata's going for that whole "manic customer support" angle.
mircea_popescu: buncha sv hipsters.
danielpbarron: felipelalli, here's the tx 86010f67d16fb690be5a9682403c5a49adccf496ae8e3c0a756a1351993e9bca
felipelalli: mircea_popescu: why bitcoin is so undervalued?
decimation: lol she was an actual communist rebel
felipelalli: any thoughts about that?
decimation: basically the dead hand of su derping around the americas
mircea_popescu: decimation one that got pretty well corrupted at the petrobras trough
decimation: well, the irony is that obama is a product of the other side
trinque: mircea_popescu: haha, fuck the valley; I'd rather be here.
mircea_popescu: anyway, brazil's actually in a better position in sa than the us is in na.
trinque: felipelalli: I'll have the rest of the lever-pulling automated before long
mircea_popescu: if they pack it and leave everyone else's reduced to hunting wooly mamooths with bows and arrows.
felipelalli: trinque: nice!!
asciilifeform associates brazil primarily with spam and poorly written virii
asciilifeform: and ocelots.
mircea_popescu: nah, it's an industrial powerhouse.
asciilifeform knows this. theoretically.
mircea_popescu: of course, exactly how the color revolution's gonna go...
mircea_popescu: i dun think dept of state's too happy about it.
decimation: yeah they have been coloring red for the past decade
decimation: outflanking usg from the left is a common pattern worldwide
asciilifeform: felipelalli: the one whose sign levitates ?
felipelalli: AHHAHA
felipelalli: all sign levitates actually
felipelalli: this happened in protests here in Brazil
trinque: felipelalli: what do you think of the water situation there?
felipelalli: trinque: not a problem at all.
felipelalli: trinque: not a real problem, I guess.
decimation: mises & hayek were (classical) liberal statists in the final analysis
trinque: felipelalli: interesting, just news hysteria?
felipelalli: decimation: I know. That sign of Mises was not mine.
decimation: I think there were a few trilema posts on this point
felipelalli: The mine was about Bitcoin :)
felipelalli: trinque: gov control I guess
decimation: nevertheless, I'd have a beer with the guy :)
felipelalli: they can blame the people: "you are wasting water"
felipelalli: If I am not wrong, I sent an email to mircea_popescu asking his political position, or I regret to send.
decimation: !up huseby
mircea_popescu doesn't really do this entire private thing. ask him here, it's what the here is for after all.
cazalla: looks a bit like natalie portman
mircea_popescu: not the throat tho
felipelalli: mircea_popescu: ok! :-) So, what is your political position, if you want to say about that.
mircea_popescu: political how ?
mircea_popescu: i've been saying plenty about it, here and on the blog
felipelalli: mircea_popescu: that's why I regret to send, now I remember!! ahahhah I knew you would say that.
felipelalli: political for me is: is statist. is not.
felipelalli: This was funny: http://imgur.com/ICidotc did you see that?
assbot: Still waiting for.... - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/19cBNi9 )
mircea_popescu: I downloaded all five seasons of The Wire from The Pirate Bay
mircea_popescu: And studied all their OPSEC and legalities of what to say
mircea_popescu: ok that thing's epic.
cazalla: i got part way through season 2 and didn't bother going any further.. the wire is the most overrated series evar
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23150 @ 0.00027195 = 6.2956 BTC [-]
fluffypony: I keep meaning to give it a watch
cazalla: sheeeeeeit fluffypony, i wouldn't bother unless you're down for some gay whistling nignogs with shotguns
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35850 @ 0.00027195 = 9.7494 BTC [-]
punkman: cazalla: I'd say most overrated has to be Walking Dead these days
cazalla: punkman, agreed, i only watched a season or two of that before giving up.. same shit every episode
cazalla: every boardwalk empire went to shit in the last 2 seasons
cazalla: even*
punkman: I'd put The Wire in the top ten though, I quite enjoyed it
punkman: maybe I should grab that remastered version
trinque: punkman: that ad... incredible
trinque: later, teaching the controversy! is glacial melt a bad thing?
assbot: Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1GFZESS )
punkman: "after a while, she had to return to the safe space. “I was feeling bombarded by a lot of viewpoints that really go against my dearly and closely held beliefs,” "
fluffypony: trinque: obviously it's a good thing, it means more water, and since the advent of quality bottled water the consumption of water around the globe has increased
fluffypony: also it's just the top of the iceberg that is exposed to the sun, most of it is underwater so it's fine
trinque: maybe if we tell the glacier it's triggering us with its microaggression, it'll stop
trinque: bam double reply
trinque: we are so ill equipped to deal with any problem rationally, let alone sea level rise
trinque: we being this insane social aggregate I'm forced to participate in
punkman: sounds like you need a safe space :P
trinque: I think we just solved it, representative democracy is a trauma I can no longer acknowledge exists
trinque: as for the glaciers, I am not informed enough to know whether they'd be dumping into the ocean with or without us
assbot: Arctic sea ice hits lowest winter maximum on record - CNN.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hl5BIx )
punkman: "lowest maximum"
punkman: "Meanwhile, the summer minimum ice extent reached in the Antarctic was one of the highest recorded"
punkman: I don't particularly care since I don't live in Tuvalu or wherever
fluffypony: ;;later tell BingoBoingo what http://i.imgur.com/pFgteaX.jpg
gribble: The operation succeeded.
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mats: it falls
danielpbarron: height=291663 vs height=214499
mats: fun fact: Chrome has an entire PDF serializer just for print preview - it creates a PDF of the page and then renders that in PDFium.
nubbins`: pete_dushenski are you advancing the opinion that colombian touts are nicer or friendlier than jamaican touts?
nubbins`: 'cause if that's the case, jamaica must be *unbearable*
nubbins`: like, marrakesh-style unbearable
nubbins`: anyway, third-world tourism is an interesting thing
nubbins`: "So that the locals here seemvii to have an unwarranted expectation of my generosity" <<< unwarranted how? every whitey that goes to jamaica spends a ton of money.
nubbins`: it's precisely warranted
nubbins`: (GDP per capita <$6k)
nubbins`: "sourcing their ingredients from within spitting distance, thus keeping the revenue in the local economy" <<< you mean keeping their /expenditures/ in the local economy. their revenue goes elsewhere, unless they're the ones buying all the dimebags.
nubbins`: i dunno, man. this whole article gets a C-
nubbins`: the only reason MP gets away with being a prick is because his articles are circuitous enough that it's not worth the effort to construct counter-arguments
nubbins`: but if you lay it all bare, saggy tits flopping to the sides... don't expect people to kiss it
nubbins`: and FWIW most of the arawaks (native to jamaica) were sold into slavery or died from smallpox. they still have blood in the caribbean, just not in jamaica
nubbins`: lot ended up in haiti
nubbins`: "the Jamaican people by and large, though we’ve certainly seen exceptions, have much to learn when it comes to treating their patrons with the respectful reverence they deserve" <<< you've *got* to be taking the piss here.
nubbins`: consider that "respectful reverence" (lel) is precisely a waste of time in such situations. if their first impression is that you're an asshole, why would they go further? almost certainly it's not worth the effort. save the smiles for the 200 other suckers who were on your plane, and who will gladly open the wallet
nubbins`: if you want to see respectful reverence, stay at a resort
nubbins`: bask in the glory of being surrounded by wholly artificial personalities in wholly artificial surroundings
nubbins`: that's what you *really* wanted, yes?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34396 @ 0.00027849 = 9.5789 BTC [+]
nubbins`: bit late to claim that you really wanted to see "jamaica" if you're complaining that the guy selling beads on the beach wouldn't polish your knob
nubbins`: punkman:I'd put The Wire in the top ten though, I quite enjoyed it <<< +1
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 300 @ 0.00371316 = 1.1139 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 350 @ 0.00371316 = 1.2996 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: nubbins`: i thought the arawaks were picked off for target practice by columb's crew
asciilifeform: nubbins`: though i also recall from his logs that a great many ran off cliffs also
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assbot: Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/19IN3nL )
jurov: http://ergofabulous.org/luther/ luther was naggum of his time :D
assbot: Lutheran Insulter :: List of Insults ... ( http://bit.ly/19IN3nP )
jurov: "It seems I must have liars and villains for opponents. I am not worthy in the sight of God that a godly and honorable person should discuss these matters with me in a Christian way. This is my greatest lament."
asciilifeform: re: picasso article: i can easily imagine a 'Dark Future of Hello Kitty' (TM) where a plebe found with ten fifty is prosecuted because 'he could only have obtained them by stealing from j.p.morgan, stop telling lies, there's no other way'
asciilifeform: *with fifty btc
jurov: it also means picasso's work was defacto nationalized
jurov: what would be interesting precedent
asciilifeform: not nationalized as such (perhaps if it were confiscated to put in museum ?) but given to a designated darling of the state
asciilifeform: because 'prove you didn't steal it' if you aren't one
jurov: "You are pious and honest people, who cannot do anything but calumniate and lie."
jurov: "You are jugglers of imaginary sins."
asciilifeform: the picasso thing is a mega-l0l
assbot: Logged on 06-03-2015 03:29:25; mircea_popescu: if you are one of the people buying belgian rubber concessions on the stock exchanges, you make money. if you're in africa, you make quick with the hands and feet.
assbot: Logged on 06-03-2015 03:29:02; mircea_popescu: making money is a purely ~political~ function. if you are among the favoured elite of the respublica veneta, you then may invest in the ships, and make a profit. if not, not.
asciilifeform: is it any wonder, given this picture, that homo redditicus wishes to mangle hierarchy, even if it nukes civilization? it seems as logical as wishing to stab the guards, given the chance, when you're imprisoned in auschwitz.
asciilifeform: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 261.23, Best ask: 261.24, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 261.27, 24 hour volume: 8712.7218436, 24 hour low: 258.67, 24 hour high: 263.55, 24 hour vwap: None
asciilifeform: ;;calc (130*10**6)/261.23
gribble: 497645.752785
asciilifeform: if you have half a mil btc, you actually have them
asciilifeform: but if you have a picasso - it is nothing without also having the blue blood.
asciilifeform: only buys you a ticket to the jail.
jurov: haven't you just argued that for you, half a mil btc is equally as useless as that picasso?
jurov: at least, once irs catches air of them?
jurov: !up airgapped
jurov: !up Pierre_Rochard
Pierre_Rochard: jurov: once irs catches air of them, they’re 39.6% less useful
punkman: is there even any evidence of the picasso works being stolen? maybe davout can find better article
jurov: they explicitly mention the judge had no evidence they are stolen. hence the outrage
punkman: http://i.imgur.com/t86Heg7.jpg this happens often around here, but most people don't have the money to build around it
jurov: where?
punkman: the island with the bulls and the Minoans
punkman: you dig up the wrong thing, you no longer can use your land.
punkman: and merely possessing some kinds of rubble can get you charged for "smuggling of antiquities"
ben_vulpes: mon dieu
mircea_popescu: i knew i had it somewhere, but forgot where.
mircea_popescu: an' nao brb writing an article.
decimation: jurov: Luther has many great writings. Unfortunately most of those who belong to churches that he founded have tended to overlook his writings
decimation: cazalla: The Wire is a pretty good take on how life in the 'big city' works in the us - and its bureaucracy
decimation: it's not strictly historical but the main author was a journalist who covered the baltimore police for a long time
funkenstein_: got my mycelium stuxnet entropy in the mail yesterday
mircea_popescu: !up fhiejeurjjurru
fhiejeurjjurru: Whats up
funkenstein_: came with a free difficult to decipher t-shirt that says "entropy this ease freedom"
funkenstein_: apparently grammar too restrictive
fhiejeurjjurru: Yo yo yop
fhiejeurjjurru: Whats up everyone
mircea_popescu: who're you, randomname ?
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron hey, mind writing a "for total noobs" guide for deedbot in the b-a wiki ?
mircea_popescu: i intend to use it for the eulora new accounts process, and well...
fhiejeurjjurru: Whats up everyone
mircea_popescu: !down fhiejeurjjurru
mircea_popescu: greeting scripts nao ffs.
scoopbot: New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/more-problems-of-meta/
assbot: Logged on 22-03-2015 09:18:50; trinque: I think we just solved it, representative democracy is a trauma I can no longer acknowledge exists
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-03-2015#1064041 << jamaica IS unbearable, and way under marakesh level.
assbot: Logged on 22-03-2015 13:57:41; nubbins`: 'cause if that's the case, jamaica must be *unbearable*
assbot: Logged on 22-03-2015 14:05:31; nubbins`: the only reason MP gets away with being a prick is because his articles are circuitous enough that it's not worth the effort to construct counter-arguments
mircea_popescu: "While the collection has not been officially valued, reports in the French and international press have estimated that it could be worth as much as 120 million euros, or about $130 million."
mircea_popescu: gtfo, 300 pieces for under half a million on average ?
mircea_popescu: what is this, the 70s ?
assbot: Logged on 22-03-2015 16:17:10; asciilifeform: re: picasso article: i can easily imagine a 'Dark Future of Hello Kitty' (TM) where a plebe found with ten fifty is prosecuted because 'he could only have obtained them by stealing from j.p.morgan, stop telling lies, there's no other way'
assbot: Logged on 22-03-2015 16:28:24; asciilifeform: because 'prove you didn't steal it' if you aren't one
mircea_popescu: gifts are nice and good but for unperishables it is always a good idea to obtain a piece of paper too. any golddigger knows this.
ben_vulpes: how does title to bitcoins work?
ben_vulpes: is the private key not adequate title?
mircea_popescu: no one has any title to any bitcoin.
decimation: in the us title to personal property is rarely documented (outside of automobiles)
mircea_popescu: obv, fake title will be constructed by convention, but hey. not unlike saying "the moon belongs to X"
mircea_popescu: decimation valuable art is not "personal property"
decimation: well, it isn't real property
thestringpuller: is it just me or does this tank look ghetto: http://i.imgur.com/KTwWOdk.jpg
decimation: certainly some signed document that says "I bequeath X to Y" would be helpful in any reasonable court
mircea_popescu: it is real property, of course it is.
mircea_popescu: how not ?
mircea_popescu: it has its own variant of torens title and everything.
decimation: it's mobile?
mircea_popescu: that's just shorthand, "oh, real estate is that estate which can not move"
mircea_popescu: real estate is that estate which is identifiable in itself, rather than by its characteristics.
mircea_popescu: that's why if i steal your house i am ordered to give you back ~your house~ but if i steal your bottle of beer i am ordered to pay you for a beer.
decimation: I think this might be a difference between common and continental law
mircea_popescu: very much doubt it, seeing how the above is at common law.
mircea_popescu: the remedies available distinguish the nature of property, and the remedies for chattels (your "personal" property) are of same value, because chattels are fungible.
mircea_popescu: castles and drawings by picasso are not fungible.
decimation: http://dictionary.law.com/Default.aspx?selected=1727 < I'm not a lawyer, but my understanding of the term 'real property' is that it only includes the land and immovable improvements
assbot: Legal Dictionary | Law.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1DLEGo2 )
thestringpuller: http://i.imgur.com/i0jvyiv.gifv << This kid has his priorities straight.
assbot: WAC 458-12-010: Definition—Property—Real. ... ( http://bit.ly/1DLFfOI )
mircea_popescu: take for instance "(7) Standing timber growing on land which belongs to the same person as the timber."
mircea_popescu: certainly movable.
mircea_popescu: and so are titles of various kinds - such as to mineral rights, or whatever.
mircea_popescu: it's not usually made much of, but the sensible way to take stuff like famous artpieces is exactly real estate.
decimation: well, I agree that it would make sense to do things that way
decimation: the us legal system isn't famous for making much sense
decimation: for instance, hardly any jurisdictions use 'torrens title'
decimation: it is standard practice to pay third parties to 'insure' the title chain is 'clean'
mircea_popescu: but anyway, if one wishes to avoid the sort of problem those giftees faced... get title with the gift.
decimation: aye, a receipt of some kind would be handy to avoid exactly this. even for bitcoin, if you plan on arguing in front of a 'legacy' judge
mircea_popescu: for bitcoin it does not work, because no one has any title.
mircea_popescu: picasso himself did have title to his own paintings, and so he could transmit title to them.
mircea_popescu: but there isn't someoine with title to bitcoin (other than, arguably, satoshi, which is WHY his disappearance is so important)
mircea_popescu: and since one can't give what one does not have, it then follows that one can't actually give bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: (the usg will readily dispute this claiming they actually DO have title to bitcoin they confiscate, and then create chain of title from there. this argument is illogical).
decimation: but logic is hardly the foundation of states, rather brazen claims of possession.
mircea_popescu: sure, but as far as brazen claims go they could also claim your wife.
mircea_popescu: god knows they already claim your children.
assbot: GPG contracts pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1DLGZHz )
thestringpuller: looks like that tracks from qntra
thestringpuller: interesting
mircea_popescu: it does ?
mircea_popescu: http://nap.univacc.net/ << lulz of all fucking time, incidentally.
assbot: NAP: The Non-Aggression Principle ... ( http://bit.ly/1DLHmSt )
mircea_popescu: "It is possible to construct a rational argument, from broadly agreeable premises, that leads directly to the NAP." is a direct equivalent to "i can prove that blue eyes are what god intended"
thestringpuller: looks like it, not that it actually does. There is a links from recent qntra article same date as comment that links to GPG contract article on trilema.
mircea_popescu: " While the Non-Aggression Principle does not have anything direct to say about the legitimacy of retaliation" << entirely spurious distinction. there's no logical difference between "retaliation" and "initiation"
mircea_popescu: de novo acts are not in fact possible.
mircea_popescu: once innovation is admitted as an arbitrary construct, well... it's a political matter.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller you mean today ?
decimation: there's a libertarian fantasy world where humans are required 'play nice' because of some kind of rationalist first-principle
mircea_popescu: makes sense then
mircea_popescu: decimation yes but it's bunko through and through.
mircea_popescu: anyway, there's the flag. mebbe some intellectual leadership of that movement whatever it may be sees it, feels equal to the task of representing their ideas in front of the world rather than in some carefully constructed echo chamber and comes prove it.
jurov: reminds me of "it increased hedonic index of the school" (guess from where)
mircea_popescu: feel free to distribute teh log links to your friends.
mircea_popescu: jurov the guy with the bad harry potter fanfic ?
jurov: yes, that.
mircea_popescu: your phrasing gave it away :p
decimation: heh yeah
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: when I first joined this channel at the collapse of GLBSE you said, "Scammers just help the legitimate businesses' reputation that much more." My friend this past year went on to say, "In the new world, the most trusted person need not to be liked, because well he's trustworthy. He/She could be a complete asshole if as long as they do their job."
thestringpuller: so i've gone on to realize that the redditard mentality of "I don't like this person == I don't trust this person" is completely false on all accounts.
thestringpuller: Perhaps within politics gettings someone to "like your platform" is moot altogether.
fluffypony: thestringpuller the easiest way to understand why that mentality fails is to state the inverse
fluffypony: "I like this person == I trust this person"
fluffypony: most con artists are very likeable
fluffypony: and most of the people I would trust to keep my money for me are...well..not likeable at all
fluffypony: which is the point :-P
mircea_popescu: the entire "like/dislike" process as practiced by esl people atm is due for some reform.
thestringpuller: which reform?
mircea_popescu: recall that idiot that was droning on about how he "didn;t like" some local woman because "she was racist" ?
mircea_popescu: well... that's not how it works.
mircea_popescu: the group of people who think they like tgi tuesdays because X cultural reasons, irrespective of the food,
mircea_popescu: they can't really survive in the wild.
thestringpuller: well this is primal no? D00d is stranded on island and has to kill for food. Hasn't killed before, so choice is: kill or die.
mircea_popescu: how about stranded on island, east half of which is constantly flooded, all esl-ians gather there because "it looks just like the bay area, man!"
mircea_popescu: how the "bay area" looks is really not all that important.
mircea_popescu: the various cultural conventions of stupid, while the leading heuristic leading the stupid, aren't really all that important on their own either.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony generally, the thing there is that people who are trustworthy are uncompromising, and people who are popular are very, VERY compromising.
dignork: decimation: Rothbard never claimed people would 'play nice', just that current system of control is fucked up.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: spot on
mircea_popescu: so perfectly likeable folk (if you're sane) will look like total assholes (to idiots).
mircea_popescu: which idiots then go on to "really trust the brick and mortar neobee" and well..
thestringpuller: it's a sickness to say the least.
mircea_popescu: but likeable != popular, nor are the applause of the mob worth anything nowadays, like they weren't worth anything when cicero walked the earth
mircea_popescu: and so here we go, " people with a pathologically difficult attitude toward various important software development philosophy (e.g. API and UI design)"
decimation: was that a slight at the gpg maintainers or stallman?
mircea_popescu: well, i readily grant gpg is pure shit.
mircea_popescu: just, manure, as george observed, is almost pleasant if you get down to it : there's a pg, which isn't bad, with a gnu in front of it.
mircea_popescu: at least it's not out and out systempoison.
decimation: dignork: the fucked-upness of the "current system" doesn't justify appealing to some bit of dubious reasoning
mircea_popescu: decimation i think his point stands tho, rothbard never said it, and what idiots trying to be "rothbardian" understood of it all isn't really relevant.
mircea_popescu shudders at the thourght of "true trilemians" long after his death doing really stupid shit.
decimation: heh. reminds me of the 'museum fremen'
mircea_popescu: go to cairo, plenty of "museum arabs" irl.
mircea_popescu: or at least, were, during mubarak days.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: which idiots then go on to "really trust the... << I was always taught never to make a business decision out of emotion. Making a business decision based on "liking someone" fits this methinks.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller now turn that on its head : business decisions without human heuristic can't beat adlai's scalpl.
mircea_popescu: by definition.
chetty: yeah that gut instinct thing still counts
thestringpuller: ah, i was about to ask that. "The Gut"
nubbins`: asciilifeform sorry, your book can't be bound in sealskin anymore ;/
assbot: Corner Brook woman's sealskin purse seized at U.S. border - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1DLKU7s )
decimation: nubbins`: was she an eskimo or whatever
mircea_popescu: yet somehow this ain't making the news. "hey, more shit you're not good enough to have!" not really interesting to anyone.
funkenstein_: border fascists can take anything
assbot: OpenSSL Severe Vulnerability to be Revealed March 19th | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1DLLamQ )
mircea_popescu: funkenstein_ i fully expect it will eventually be illegal to wear leather, natural fibers, etc. everyone must plastic!
mircea_popescu: i suppose it's when i start shooting.
decimation: when did the crazy fur nazis start making usg border policy?
funkenstein_: i back you up
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Just some Denial of service stuff. The LibreSSL fork was only affected by 5 or so of the 13 or 14 vulnerabilities
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo imo after an article like that must make update "here's what it was"
mircea_popescu: sorta reads like a promise to keep reader updateds.
mircea_popescu: !up execut3
funkenstein_: but my legal advice reminds me border forces are basically above the law
mircea_popescu: decimation 80s or so ?
mircea_popescu: !up execut3
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Will do in a bit
thestringpuller: !up ascii_modem
nubbins`: funkenstein_ +1
ascii_modem: ssl vuln << yes; check log
nubbins`: ;;dict basically
gribble: wn: basically adv 1: in essence; at bottom or by one's (or its) very nature; "He is basically dishonest"; "the argument was essentially a technical one"; "for all his bluster he is in essence a shy person" [syn: {basically}, {fundamentally}, {essentially}]
nubbins`: contrast with colloquial defn: "sorta"
assbot: Extradition order issued for pot activist Emery - British Columbia - CBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1DLM9Ds )
danielpbarron: mircea_popescu> danielpbarron hey, mind writing a "for total noobs" guide for deedbot in the b-a wiki ? << i can do that
ascii_modem: it was a mindfuck. bunch of possibly remoteexec vulns and no real scandal followed
mircea_popescu: ascii_modem aha
trinque: danielpbarron: I am mobile atm but can answer questions.
trinque: back at puter shortly
danielpbarron: i'm also mobile atm
ascii_modem: openssl phasetransitioned to the place where winblows lives
ascii_modem: where nobody gives a phuq
decimation: 'spiritual winblows'
mircea_popescu: ascii_modem im curious how BingoBoingo's update reads is all :)
decimation: I can see why linus was pissy about the pr given to 'security bugs'
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-03-2015#1064084 << the complaint is not that it's illogical, but that the desire of the convicted felon to stab the guards must not succeed and should not succeed.
assbot: Logged on 22-03-2015 16:56:21; asciilifeform: is it any wonder, given this picture, that homo redditicus wishes to mangle hierarchy, even if it nukes civilization? it seems as logical as wishing to stab the guards, given the chance, when you're imprisoned in auschwitz.
ascii_modem: linus was right re: turdcode being all across everything
nubbins`: "the 1972 U.S. Marine Mammal Protection Act. The act categorically bans "imports or sales of all marine mammal products", regardless of the conservation status of the animal"
decimation: ascii_modem: yeah, the problem with the security 'pr' releases is the implication is that once they are 'fixed' everything is great!
nubbins`: mp wasn't joking re: more shit you're not good enough to have
mircea_popescu: mp doesn't joke half the times he gets credit for.
ascii_modem: import live and shoot stateside, skin.
nubbins`: as if /that's/ allowed
nubbins`: barely get away with it here
ascii_modem: but border guard doesnt autocatch then.
nubbins`: doesn't autocatch a /live seal/?
ascii_modem: live may be legal? ianal
nubbins`: you'd measure the forms in inches, not pages
decimation: wait for one to present itself at the coast?
nubbins`: given the rate at which melting sea ice from imaginary climate change is shrinking polar bear populations, which are one of the only things keeping seal populations in check...
nubbins`: you're probably 20 years away from actually seeing above
mircea_popescu: nah, seals don't like warm shores.
nubbins`: nor do they like starving
decimation: http://www.orlandoweekly.com/orlando/eat-at-dougs/Content?oid=2260720 < related "Jim and Bub watched each other, smirking. Ultimately, Bub couldn't keep quiet anymore. "Mr. Billman, you're about to tear into a 100-percent, grade-A, free-range, Florida-raised dugong steak." "Dugong?" I asked."Manatee." "
assbot: Eat at Doug's | News | Orlando Weekly ... ( http://bit.ly/1DLNEle )
mircea_popescu: but anytway, yes, all the "ecology" and "protection" legislation in the us has exactly nothing to do with anything but "you plebs, off to your gruel". it's copied exactly off the forest laws of medieval england
nubbins`: you can buy seal burgers at restaurants here occasionally
nubbins`: flipper pie, w/e
mircea_popescu: (and no, forest does not mean "heavily wooded", it means "set aside from common law, at the disposition of the king". much like "real estate" does not mean "thick withj buildings")
mircea_popescu: ie, it comes from latin foris.
nubbins`: people *love* sealskin boots, purses, hats, etc
nubbins`: generally very silly looking
assbot: BBC NEWS | Asia-Pacific | Japan puts whale burger on menu ... ( http://bit.ly/1DLNWsg )
mircea_popescu: nubbins` yeah, actual people. not usians tho. usians hate them, as they should. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-03-2015#1064084
assbot: Logged on 22-03-2015 16:56:21; asciilifeform: is it any wonder, given this picture, that homo redditicus wishes to mangle hierarchy, even if it nukes civilization? it seems as logical as wishing to stab the guards, given the chance, when you're imprisoned in auschwitz.
nubbins`: bbl musique!
funkenstein_: decimation, research purposes?
mircea_popescu: nah, they actually eat them, but have for > 30 years claimed their whalers are "researchers"
funkenstein_: motherfuckers make me want to do a little research of my own
mircea_popescu: i dunno, whale's not all that great.
decimation: re: it's more the principle of the matter. japan wants to assert that japan, and not usg, make japan policy
decimation: this is obviously silly
mircea_popescu: not so obvious.
decimation: isn't japan wholly dependent on the us for defense?
mircea_popescu: and if the wife is fully dependent on husband for sustenance this means what, that she doesn't fuck whoever she pleases ?
mircea_popescu: naive view.
trinque: seems like the self-defense force has been pushing for an open relationship gradually over the years
mircea_popescu: moreover... "Defense". defense from whom ? clearly it can't rely on the us to defend it from the us, an' so...
trinque: "whiz kid" ... "demo day" ... ah god :P
trinque: wtf is this deedbot?
trinque: guys where is my 5mil in VC cheese for deedbot?!
decimation: mircea_popescu: an' so... master and man?
ben_vulpes: trinque: slaves to the wot
funkenstein_: third wheel solutions
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller so many whizz kidz, so little whizz chezz...
mircea_popescu tries to even remember who these were, memory fails.
trinque: \w+ \w+ Solutions
trinque: the imitation never ends
BingoBoingo: scoopbot -fetch
jurov: scoopbot -dropdead
jurov: ha!
BingoBoingo: jurov's got the magic command
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the problem is they didn't have title << does a suitcase full of benjies have 'title' ? or a tonne of gold bar? or not because fungible
asciilifeform: and why exactly is this concept of permission from the state to be recognized as the owner, a useful thing ?
asciilifeform: if 'possession is 9/10th of the law,' as is the maxim, why not 10/10 ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: castles and drawings by picasso are not fungible << i'd argue that picassos are more or less 'analogue bitcoin' for the ultra-bezzlerich. hence my interest in the linked turd
asciilifeform: other than, arguably, satoshi, which is WHY his disappearance is so important << what would a picture with a living satoshi look like ?
asciilifeform: usg will readily dispute this claiming they actually DO have title to bitcoin they confiscate << guaranteed.
asciilifeform: 'In fact, I rather suspect that GPG will fade away as other implementations gain currency. It's old, crusty, built from barely readable source code, license terms inhibited, and maintained by people with a pathologically difficult attitude toward various important software development philosophy (e.g. API and UI design)' << mega-l0l. thing is, in a way the fool is right, it 'faded away' the same way common lisp did. which is t
asciilifeform: o say not at all, but it isn't aggressively tossed in anyone's face and hence 'does not exist' in the mind of the populist idiots..
asciilifeform: 'It is possible to construct a rational argument, from broadly agreeable premises, that leads directly to the NAP...' << these folks use 'natural law' crapolade as a crutch to avoid the demand of having agency
asciilifeform: too few balls, they have, to utter 'an ought' straight up
asciilifeform: the people I would trust to keep my money for me are...well..not likeable at all << obligatory: my original review of MPEx.
asciilifeform: (it was an essay largely about this concept)
asciilifeform: 'Under the terms of the deal, Emery is expecting return to Canada to serve his sentence, said Tousaw.' << wai wat!?!?! canada offers 'sit in jail for your crimes in usa' service? how about iran? can i do time in canada for blasphemy against the prophet ?
assbot: xkcd: Canada ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bn2U17 )
asciilifeform: it's copied exactly off the forest laws of medieval england << who, then, are the nobles? is obamitler walking around in seal coat? warren buffett ?
asciilifeform: trinque: guys where is my 5mil in VC cheese for deedbot?! << obligatory >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-06-2014#700916
assbot: Logged on 04-06-2014 00:08:26; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the buggers' traditional defense is to pretend that the event was a non-event - or, if this is impractical, to continue living in an imaginary world where they 'scooped' the story first, and all of the 'unsanctioned' discussion never happened.
asciilifeform caught up on log... finally
decimation: asciilifeform: the question in my mind is the concept of 'title' without reference to the state. it seems to me that it is meaningless outside a particular legal code
decimation: or perhaps resolves to 'imma kill u 'n take ur stuff'
asciilifeform: decimation: meaningless without state as far as i can see
asciilifeform: not necessarily the modern totalitarian monstrosity. but state in some form
asciilifeform: or at least a coalition of folks who are able to penalize you for violating the title (could wot do this? possibly)
asciilifeform not expert on the practical mechanics of electric feudalism
assbot: Logged on 22-03-2015 23:54:57; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the problem is they didn't have title << does a suitcase full of benjies have 'title' ? or a tonne of gold bar? or not because fungible
mircea_popescu: which is why the whole "confiscated cash in drug bust" thing.
mircea_popescu: note that i'm not saying anything about what's useful, merely going through how the logic of that thing works.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i always read it as 'plebe may not possess allocatory capital tokens' thing
asciilifeform: (which a sufficiently heavy bag of benjies would in principle be)
mircea_popescu: well, you can read it any way you want, but legally, it flows from "title is title, if you don't have title you may use constructive title (possession is 9/10 of the law and all that), except so and so"
asciilifeform: was picasso listed as an 'except so' ?
mircea_popescu: "except so and so" = "except if it seems to come from drugdealing"
asciilifeform: any fr jurists here? davout ?
mircea_popescu: but that's the font of all the "prove you didn't steal it" thing.
asciilifeform: are picassos presumed to come from dope work ?
mircea_popescu: that's not the controlling bit. the controlling bit is, "can you prove this is yours ?"
asciilifeform unable to find 'constructive title' in reference; only found 'constructive possession'
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mircea_popescu: i made up the term for this discussion.
mircea_popescu: prolly shoulda added scarequotes.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: so, under this concept, if cannot prove that it is yours, it reverts to the last registered owner?
mircea_popescu: which is why the picassos aren't going to the state, but to the heirs.
asciilifeform: except they did go to the state. the heirs, note, didn't show up with rifle to take it
asciilifeform: the state helpfully did it for them
mircea_popescu: how's that relevant ?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-03-2015#1064373 << might be exactly the problem, on superficial perusal of the literature.
assbot: Logged on 23-03-2015 00:00:17; asciilifeform: too few balls, they have, to utter 'an ought' straight up
asciilifeform: that it was servants of the crown who not only showed up to dekulakize the electrician, but handed out jail term
asciilifeform: but i get the legal fiction involved, yes
mircea_popescu: aite then
mircea_popescu: but yes, the entire "taint" bullshit does not work. the correct avenue is exactly the reverse : require to be paid only in "proper" bitcoin, that is to say, bitcoin traceable to X or Y or Z purchase, from agent of the crown, which fictitiously has title.
mircea_popescu: in this view of Bitcoin, only Draper has any, or whoever bought it from USG.
asciilifeform: seems like inevitably will be tried
mircea_popescu: sort-of like a usg-run laundromat.
mircea_popescu: likely, yeah.
asciilifeform: didn't this already have one go around ?
asciilifeform: some idiot had 'whitelist'
mircea_popescu: not afaik.,
asciilifeform distinctly recalls
asciilifeform: !s whitelisting
assbot: 3 results for 'whitelisting' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=whitelisting
asciilifeform: !s whitelist
assbot: 50 results for 'whitelist' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=whitelist
mircea_popescu: but it jives very well with "so what if we can't control bitcoin - it'd divisible, so let's just carve a kiddy pool and play in there! "
asciilifeform: !s taxcoin
assbot: 2 results for 'taxcoin' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=taxcoin
decimation: luke-jr was kinda advocating the blacklist if I recall
decimation: !up Luke-Jr
decimation: didn't you advance a blacklist in gentoo?
funkenstein_: actually that kinda makes more sense than a separate fedcoin
asciilifeform: iirc he understood that other folks would choose to relay the 'bad' tx
Luke-Jr: what blacklist are you claiming I advocate?
Luke-Jr: decimation: no
asciilifeform: but wanted to make some kind of statement against dice
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: fedcoin carved from bitcoin is missing key feature for them - forced transfer
asciilifeform: what do they do when it is time to confiscate? revoke the blessing on the coin? this doesn't move it back into the state coffer
asciilifeform: nor enabled them to mint debased coin at will
asciilifeform: an altcoin (with some form of key escrow) still seems likely imho
asciilifeform: (as a candidate for 'fedcoin')
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform suppose they make a few peers that use Luke-Jr style rules, and then ddos the ~60 or so remaining nodes.
mircea_popescu: there's a reason usgavin & co pretend like nodes are not important while trying to make them not feasible.
mircea_popescu: sadly for that party the attempt to do so quietly failed catastrophically, but what's that mean ?
funkenstein_: you don't have to ddos the remaining nodes.. just declare your colored coins to be worth 10x the others
asciilifeform: in exchange for freshly printed green
asciilifeform: funkenstein_ has it
decimation: usg could just arrest/seize/forfeit nodes it doesn't like
mircea_popescu: or at any rate try.
asciilifeform: it is worth asking what usg would be trying to accomplish with fedcoin
mircea_popescu: but notice that the people who do not suffer from that famous " pathologically difficult attitude toward various important software development philosophy " will not have much problems using usg-nodes anyway
mircea_popescu: and so...
asciilifeform: for some purposes 'colouring' existing btc as funkenstein_ described would work
asciilifeform: and less noise, less fuss, than gasenwagen
asciilifeform: 'woah my shit is worth 10x, sell' goes typical lamer
funkenstein_: like newton did with gold
mircea_popescu: the only purpose it would really work for is, giving us a lot of weaponry to kill them with
decimation: asciilifeform: but then usg is stuck with backing dollars with bitcoin
mircea_popescu: which is why i kinda suspect it's inevitable.
funkenstein_: i think this is a post dollar discussion
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the kill shot would involve an 'arse-mouth system', no?
mircea_popescu: everything since 2009 or so is a post-dollar discussion.
asciilifeform: where 1) idiot fed pays 10x 2) mr jihad buys 10x normal coin 3) ??? 4) go to 1
funkenstein_: wish i was here earlier :)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dunno, they bought isis the weapons and then they bought isis the meatsacks to practice shooting round tikrit.
mircea_popescu: seems to me they mostly buy us shit, so.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 100% same as afghan campaign '03-present
decimation: well, people in ohio need jobs see...
mircea_popescu: right, so why would one expect different ?
asciilifeform: but i can see the 'win' from afghan - lockheed, grumman, halliburton, general dynamics, etc. get to churn inventory
asciilifeform: the actual purpose of every usg mil engagement since korea
asciilifeform: but what'd be the 'win' here ?
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mircea_popescu: i dunno, draper gets to pretend like he's a savvy businessman ?
mircea_popescu: after pretending like he bought bitcoin ?
mircea_popescu: gotta keep the pretense up.
decimation: I just thought of a brilliant anti-'area denial' (to usg term) weapon system. imagine a small turboprop uav ... that can drop its wings and turn into kerosene rocket
asciilifeform: as i understand, operating with the 'monetary system as storage battery' model (mr mold's ?) usg has two possible (non-exclusive) agendas re: btc: 1) steal charge from the battery 2) blow up the battery
asciilifeform: ideally 1+2, i venture to guess, from their point of view
asciilifeform: but separable conceptually
mircea_popescu: neither works.
asciilifeform: sure - but which is the desired one
mircea_popescu: the only actually available thing is, print a "Obama made this lolz" sticker, try to affix.
asciilifeform: for the current set of lizardfolk
mircea_popescu: and so i imagine this is what they'll do.
asciilifeform: decimation: german 'v1'
decimation: moldbug thought the us would jail exchanges/possessors, but usg lost the initiative on that one
asciilifeform: decimation: actually they didn't need to jail - no one dared
mircea_popescu: i told him he was wrong back then. sadly... as per the castrato model, never answered.
asciilifeform: to make a non-usg exchange in usa
decimation: kinda like a 'v1', but with the appropriate tracking/seeking system, and an entire fleet in orbit around 'La Serenissima'
asciilifeform: thing is, there are multiple overlapping fields of fire re: usg vs exchanges. e.g., banks monitor -all- incoming and outgoing flow
assbot: Logged on 26-11-2014 00:46:13; asciilifeform: have to understand, jet fighter is not really a complete machine. it is a tentacle of the larger industrial slave empire which produced and employed it.
decimation: yes, presumes the ability to manufacture jet parts
decimation: not a 'partizan' system
asciilifeform: aviation, by and large, only works when you're a mega-state with maxint constantly replaced slaves to parasitise
asciilifeform: decimation: make me so much as a transistor circa 1950 with partizan tech.
decimation: I would settle for a partizan bank
funkenstein_: transistor tech has changed a bit in 40 years, jet engines not so much
decimation: as I recall the 'v1' had no moving parts
asciilifeform: fine. make a me262 with jungle tech.
decimation: hehe yea not me262 though
asciilifeform: or even the same 'v1'
asciilifeform: or hell, a single ak round.
decimation: at a minimum you would need fairly modern metallurgy
asciilifeform: most folks who go in for this line of thought, have no idea how much industry is baked into even something like an ak round.
decimation: yeah, especially if you want to make it 'from ore'
asciilifeform: no need to pontificate - the folks in palestine are playing 'junkyard wars' warfare as we speak
asciilifeform: check out what kind of weapons they fight with.
decimation: old busted ex soviet stuff welded to toyotas, etc
asciilifeform: well, to be fair, they have rockets made from old plumbing
asciilifeform: but iirc that's the top of their game
asciilifeform: (with respect to self-made items)
decimation: or your 'recoiless rifles'
asciilifeform: those - imported.
decimation: as are the actually effective guided rockets
decimation: although I think a guided rocket is more likely to be manufactured by a 'partizan' than bullets actually
asciilifeform: marginally.
decimation: still would need good metal and precision milling
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asciilifeform: and good post-metalwork process (temper)
asciilifeform: incidentally, this is yet another reason why i try to convince folks to read about electrolytic milling
asciilifeform: (afaik a soviet-only technology, to date, at least in the sense of general-purpose multi-axis milling rather than glorified casting - all you'll find on the subject in english)
asciilifeform: electrolysis doesn't give a flying fuck about temper
asciilifeform: or hardness of the material in general, so long as it conducts
decimation: does it work on Al with the oxide layer?
asciilifeform: hence you can use pre-tempered whatevers (car axles, etc.) and go straight to $weaponpart
asciilifeform: decimation: with a little chemical magic, yes
decimation: http://atomicdelights.com/blog/a-glimpse-at-how-the-apple-watch-is-made < asciilifeform did you see this? this was the most interesting bit to me: "Apple is doing something utterly unique in this 5 seconds of video - they are using a laser to clean up any burrs or finishing defects from machining."
assbot: How Apple Makes the Watch — Atomic Delights ... ( http://bit.ly/1COmrhT )
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funkenstein_: !up Luke-Jr
BingoBoingo: decimation: More interesting is how the reach 18 karats by... bulking up the "gold" with high volume low density ceramics as the alloying agent.
BingoBoingo: Lightest 18k gold around
decimation: BingoBoingo: according to that page they are not using that patented ceramic procedure, but are instead using an alloy with 'work hardening' "For the Watch Edition however, Apple appears to have eschewed any revolutionary alchemy and instead, applied an innovative work hardening process to create gold that is (claimed to be) significantly harder than the typical 18kt used by other watchmakers. "
decimation: nubbins`: have you ever done work with gold leaf?
nubbins`: metallic inks, closest thing
decimation: I would imagine it would be a pain in the ass
decimation: canada mints 24k gold coins, which is kinda dumb
danielpbarron: !up Bagels7
nubbins`: asciilifeform:'Under the terms of the deal, Emery is expecting return to Canada to serve his sentence, said Tousaw.' << wai wat!?!?! canada offers 'sit in jail for your crimes in usa' service? how about iran? can i do time in canada for blasphemy against the prophet ? <<< emery is a canadian national -- this is like /you/ doing time in /iran/ for blasphemy against the prophet because you mailed an iranian a copy of hebdo
BingoBoingo: decimation: I'm not sure I can trust Apple to not use words in a way wildly different from word's actual meanings
nubbins`: decimation 99999 purity, finest in the world
decimation: yeah but utterly impractical for circulation
nubbins`: they're... not circulation
decimation: you want to alloy with copper etc for durability
nubbins`: compare to a krugerrand, which was a circulation coin
nubbins`: and thusly alloyed
decimation: 'american gold eagle' too
decimation: I'm not denying it's pretty, just impractical for its stated purpose
nubbins`: given its face value of $50, a gold maple leaf definitely is impractical for use as currency
nubbins`: since its expenditure represents a 4-digit net loss
decimation: heh well there's that
decimation: I think we discussed this awhile ago, some guy tried to get 'taxed' by the 'face value' of gold eagles
decimation: usg was not amused
nubbins`: maybe if he bought em for fv.
nubbins`: with the requisite loss written into the seller's tax return
nubbins`: speaking of coins
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decimation: lol people wanna pay 7.8 btc for 0.5 btc coin?
nubbins`: nuts hey
decimation: I guess the market decides the price...
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mircea_popescu: nubbins` no it's nbot. he's canadian national doing time IN CANADA for having offended foreign government.
nubbins`: he actually did 3-4 years in usa
nubbins`: was extradited from here
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mircea_popescu: "No doubt the Jews aren't a lovable people; I don't care about them myself; but that is not sufficient to explain the Pogrom."
mircea_popescu: who said ?
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mircea_popescu: chamberlain, actually.
mircea_popescu: What a Chamberlain government would have done had there been no war in 1939 will never be known, but an election was due in 1940, and the manifesto proposals outlined by the Conservative Research Department embraced family allowances and the inclusion of insured persons' dependants in health cover—about half the advances usually attributed to Beveridge. As Lady Cecily Debenham wrote to Chamberlain's widow, Anne, afte
mircea_popescu: r his death: "Neville was a Radical to the end of his days. It makes my blood boil when I see his ‘Tory’ and ‘Reactionary’ outlook taken as a matter of course because the Whirligig of Politics made him leader of the Tory party."
mircea_popescu: turns out... a socailist too ?!
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asciilifeform: nubbins`: this is like /you/ doing time in /iran/ for blasphemy against the prophet because you mailed an iranian a copy of hebdo << nah that would be like me doing time in local state pen for mailing hebdo to teheran
mircea_popescu: "for a more perfect world union"
nubbins`: none of these sound great ;/
asciilifeform: nubbins` et al: of course this is a trick question, because canada (like the rest of the 'civilized' - and even the orcish - world) is signatory to the nacro convention
asciilifeform: and hence the pretenses of differing laws are just that
nubbins`: and what the UN says, goes!
asciilifeform: quite possibly this was the juridicial basis for the fella sitting in a ca jail for a us violation
asciilifeform: or wait, vice versa
asciilifeform: damn, the sheer perversity of this plays with the brain
nubbins`: yeah, he never set foot in usa til they brought him there
nubbins`: but i guess his mail was an extension of himself
asciilifeform: neither did noriega
nubbins`: heh.
nubbins`: were noriega's crimes a $200 fine in panama?
nubbins`: (trick question 8)
mircea_popescu: well the difference beeing that seeds were also not illegal.
asciilifeform: iirc they are not illegal in usa either
nubbins`: oh yes they are
mircea_popescu: a fine example of the insanity is the life and times of one little, aka max hardcore
nubbins`: 1 seed = 1 plant in usa
nubbins`: (iirc!)
mircea_popescu: nubbins` nowadays. not then.
asciilifeform: are the legal 'hempseeds' found in hippy foods somehow inactivated ?
asciilifeform: demilitarized? denatured?
asciilifeform: (what's the term of art here)
nubbins`: non-psychoactive strain
asciilifeform: how to prove which strain w/out growing
nubbins`: hemp seeds are as benign as hops flowers
nubbins` shrugs
nubbins`: admittedly never seen whole hemp seeds
asciilifeform: i also recall that, at least until recently, psychoactive mushroom spores were legal in usa
nubbins`: ok, visibly different.
nubbins`: the fun ones have tiger stripes
danielpbarron: hemp is illegal in USSA
decimation: moldbug has a quote that implicates FDR in covering for the soviets for Katyn
nubbins`: vs benign hemp seeds: http://imgur.com/J4Q6ni7
mircea_popescu: i dun see much difference.
BingoBoingo: <nubbins`> vs benign hemp seeds: http://imgur.com/J4Q6ni7 << Appear to have been roasted, shouldn't germinate
nubbins`: hard to find pics of raw ones
nubbins`: anyway, emery served ~4 years in usa
nubbins`: released this past aug
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asciilifeform: l0l! dugin is 'sanctioned' now ?
decimation: yeah I thought you would like that
mircea_popescu: Written by William Norman Grigg
mircea_popescu: who's that ?
decimation: he was a journalist before he had enough and joined the 'john birch society'
decimation: think 'old republicans'
asciilifeform: piece describes the nato 'stop smashing your nose into my fist' tradition
asciilifeform: rather unusually for engl. media
mircea_popescu: "He should consider himself fortunate that he hasn’t yet been targeted for a drone strike." fortune has nothing to do with it. the bumbing us navy lacks the operational capability to carry out drone strikes where he lives.
mircea_popescu: nice link to the brejnev speech tho
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asciilifeform: phun phact: 2nd president of birch society burned on the famous korean airlines 007.
decimation: "Consider the environmental movement. On the surface, it appears to be a collection of "wonderful, benevolent people trying to help and save the Earth," Koehle tells the campers, who range in age from 13 to 20.In reality, she says, it's a plot to unite humanity against a common enemy, pollution, and lay the groundwork for a world regime.Koehle urges students to ignore doomsday hype about-such things as endangered species - extinction
decimation: isn't necessarily bad, she says, noting that dinosaurs became oil deposits -- and depletion of the ozone layer, a point with which some mainstream scientists agree."
asciilifeform: (su foreign ministry also, famously, proclaimed that nixon was to have flown likewise on 007, but warned in advance)
mircea_popescu: the media and ocher institutions
mircea_popescu: does he mean kosher ?
decimation: no I think it's a misspelling for 'other'
decimation: this la times guy thought he was writing a 'takedown'
mircea_popescu: "I hate what Clinton and his gang of anti-gunner, gays and liberals are doing to America,"
mircea_popescu: lol such nonsense.
decimation: ^ that was a juicy line so that the median 'la times reader' would know that these guys were nutso
asciilifeform: ^ l0l! what is happening in the picture ?
mircea_popescu: guy's vacuuming
asciilifeform: but not only?
mircea_popescu: girl's creaming.
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danielpbarron: in the style of an OpenBSD man page, I give you http://danielpbarron.com/deedbot.txt
mircea_popescu: srsly, put it in the wiki
danielpbarron: oh, I think i need an account for that
danielpbarron: who gives those out? kako?
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla mind making him an acct ?
trinque: danielpbarron: nice!
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mircea_popescu: o look, here's some innovative stuff i came up with myself by reading trilema.
mircea_popescu: (i didn't really understand most of the stuff but whatever)
asciilifeform: it will get $maxint in usg payola.
asciilifeform: there's one 'genius' who will never need his mandatory day job.
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