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mod6: insane dipshit madlibs is right.
mod6: +1 for hanbot's "Narf" - pinky & the brain ref.
hanbot: poit!
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 153550 @ 0.00027291 = 41.9053 BTC [+]
mod6: haha
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cazalla: gee i got scammed at the nursery, sold a plant with DRM (PBR)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 219700 @ 0.00027421 = 60.2439 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: take it back!
cazalla: too late as i've already potted it up, but at least i learned about this plant breeders rights rubbish.. guess i'll have some cutting warez in a few years time
cazalla: who would've thought you can have a cracked copy of a tree
mircea_popescu: so this entire moot-Mallory Blair Greitzer thing reads a lot like, skank fucking raid leader for jools.
mircea_popescu: which i think happens about 9k times a year, just, usually nobody outside of the guild forum gives a shit
cazalla: meh cuckchan died long before that anyway
mircea_popescu: anyway, i've had a decent chuckle reading the reports pushed by people scrambling to cope with my brusque, sudden, unexpected movements.
mircea_popescu: to quote a random derp, "for instance - military strategy"
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decimation: heh "Blizzard Entertainment has banned ?a large number? of World of Warcraft accounts after finding that they were using bots, or ?third-party programs that automate gameplay? according to a company post. "
decimation: rpgs are full of bots! the horror!
cazalla: decimation, welcome to 10 years ago
cazalla: i had a few extra accounts i used with wowglider to mine ore and herbs
decimation: apparently they banned "a large number" of accounts http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/17347095985
cazalla: reads as the standard announcement they've been making for years now
decimation: cazalla: I got to think thaw wow is losing popularity
decimation: it would be interesting to know the actual revenue figures
cazalla: the sub numbers are out there, it peaked like 5 years ago
cazalla: i quit after wotlk but i was a day one nov 2004 player so..
assbot: Logged on 16-05-2015 03:14:16; mod6: im getting closer to my v0.5.3.1-RELEASE perf full bc sync baseline being finished; currently on block 304969 -- it did oomkill today though, and didn't see it for like 8-9 hours :/
decimation: you gotta think that at some point the thing flips and blizzard would welcome chinese farmers
asciilifeform: so it -doesn't- run in constant space.
asciilifeform: -nor- has any detectable (through the usual automatic means, e.g. valgrind) leaks.
cazalla: decimation, they allow gold buying/seller for game time in recent months
asciilifeform: mod6: please post any data you may have collected at the moment of the oomkill
cazalla: they game is fucking long dead though.. it made everything fair so that all players are equal.. seriously.. why even bother playing an mmorpg then if i can't grief the fuck out of people with my rare sword and mount
asciilifeform: incl., if you have it, a core dump
cazalla: that game.. i swear i have brain damage from alcohol :\
asciilifeform: this goes for anyone else who got oomkill with orphanage-thermonuke specifically, on a box with ad libitum ram
decimation: asciilifeform: on another project I've been chasing an oomkill that happens ... when acpi is turned on
asciilifeform: reliably?
decimation: asciilifeform: absolutely
decimation: I've still not gotten to the bottom of it, but my point is that the kernel could also be at fault
decimation: and/or hardware batshit
asciilifeform: decimation: take that machine out to the boonies and use for target practice.
decimation: would love to
decimation: asciilifeform: it's really hard to find detailed specs for all the shitty thin terms out there
asciilifeform: decimation: mostly low-end p1s
asciilifeform: of very little interest, even historical kind
asciilifeform: and you won't find one with isa slot.
asciilifeform: (before anyone asks, i fucking hate 'dosbox' emulator)
decimation: why do you need isa??
decimation: hehe yeah that makes sense
asciilifeform: for the sb64 of course
decimation: heh. I still remember my old soundblaster
decimation: I think i trashed it years ago
decimation: you can never get the timing right one emulators
asciilifeform: it is theoretically possible to get the sound right. but never happened, and i doubt - ever will
decimation remembers playing space quest on his 8088
decimation: with - cga graphics
decimation: I remember thinking as a kid 'why would you not always have the turbo button activated?'
asciilifeform: decimation: 'turbo' on my old boxes, it turned out, just disabled l2 cache. the lamps lied to us.
cazalla: did you have a keyboard lock on your tower? my old man tried that shit on me but some how i had the idea to open it up and remove cable
asciilifeform: (mine had a set of led lamps which toggled number, supposedly cpu clock, from '40' to '10')
asciilifeform: had keyboard lock, but misplaced key almost immediately after we got it
asciilifeform: had thought 'who in his right mind would lock'
cazalla: parents
decimation: assbot is dead?
decimation: then later I got a 486DX from gateway
decimation: I ran slackware on it for a little while, kernel 1.2 as I recall
decimation: I wish I would have met a neckbeard at that time who would have forced me to learn emacs
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decimation: asciilifeform: http://www.menuetos.net/index.htm < menuetos hit 1.0 release
mod6: <+asciilifeform> mod6: please post any data you may have collected at the moment of the oomkill << so just to reiterate here, the current perf test I'm running is with the v0.5.3.1-RELEASE which oomkill'd (as it's known to do). I'll post the nmon charts, log, and vmstat log. no core file was created. However, as a reminder, the previous perf test that I ran with v0.5.3.1-RELEASE+{asciilifeform_orphanage_thermonuke.patch}(http://thebitcoin.foun
mod6: Addtionally, I 100% agree, if anyone else should test either of these and capture anything surrounding the OOMKILL either in the v0.5.3.1-RELEASE or a patched version of v0.5.3.1-RELEASE, please let us know.
mod6: Once I have all the baseline perf metrics collected, I'll be making a posting about it and will publish the data.
Namworld: They turned web traffic into fireworks. "The attacks shown are based on a small subset of live flows against the Norse honeypot infrastructure, representing actual worldwide cyber attacks by bad actors."
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cazalla: well, slow west is a shitty movie let alone a western
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mircea_popescu: !up cherrry
mircea_popescu: !up Jrum
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mircea_popescu: !up styuio
mircea_popescu: !up Monetaio
jurov: since one double cherry truck is too few!
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mircea_popescu: over here wiz.
wiz: I've been reading your website recently, your blog articles are great
wiz: Roger Ver first told me about your exchange a few weeks ago, I've been reading your site in my spare time since then
mircea_popescu: anything in particular ?
wiz: and I'm listening to this video now, that's how I heard about the channel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWgPpDRo9AQ
wiz: well, I really like the concept of "unregistered corporations"
mircea_popescu: wait, someone made a youtube about b-a ?
wiz: well he mentioned the channel several times so far in the presentation
mircea_popescu: pretty cool
wiz: it occured to me that once underground markets master the art of operatings as "unregistered corporations", they will be at a huge competitive advantage to state-registered corporations
wiz: and eventually, corporations will migrate to being unregistered, to remain competitive
wiz: i mean, not paying tax to the state, or being restricted by their regulations, etc. is a huge competitive advantage in any market, white or black
mircea_popescu: kinda the idea.
mircea_popescu: jurov you're live
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jurov: mircea_popescu: jolly good
jurov: copypaste: the banners are truncated on bottom/right :-/
jurov: both in ff and chrome
jurov: and i can§t get the coinbr one to show
copypaste: I see why. Your HTML output should make sure to have no page margin. The image must be right in the top left hand corner of the browser.
copypaste: I didn't notice it because all the current ads fit.
copypaste: I think that a style on the <body> tag like padding:0;margin:0 should fix it.
copypaste: I can't do that on my end though, has to be done on the calling website (trilema.com).
copypaste: Regarding not being able to add your own ad, only mircea_popescu can do that/knows how.
jurov: i know. i like to fill the image as close to the border as possible
jurov: just one of the things that causes seizures to my friend pro designer :)
copypaste: Understood. Hopefully mircea will fix that when he wakes up. :) Need to put a <body> tag around the <a> tag, with style="padding:0;margin:0"
copypaste: It's 10PM here so I'm headed off soon.
copypaste: (well, ten minutes to)
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jurov: bye!
jurov: coinbr is there. so only the margins
jurov: yes i can confirm setting body style="padding:0;margin:0;" in the iframe fixes it
funkenstein_: a toy I have been working on called "coin-vote"
funkenstein_: 199.193.248.126:3000/
funkenstein_: I leave a prototype here in hopes for feedback / being ripped to shreds / other
funkenstein_: one sat, one vote
funkenstein_: one coin one vote sounds cooler, but it's really a per satoshi kinda thing
mircea_popescu: copypaste better nao ?
mircea_popescu: jurov i actually saw both o' em
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jurov: mircea_popescu yes, it's all OK now
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gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: "Welcome to my first tutorial. My nickname's 187 or Assassin. Right now I'm touching up on my Visual C++ skills and working on a game engine."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform o btw dulap's back, magically.
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danielpbarron: !up teek who are you?
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funkenstein_: thanks for feedback.. hmm node.js causing problems fancy that
funkenstein_: i had hopes this would be the project that tuned me into wtf node.js was all about
funkenstein_: http://199.193.248.126:3000/#/polls <-- perhaps better link
funkenstein_: one person figured out how to vote, nice :)
funkenstein_: meanwhile "what makes it page" by mertignetti arrives on my doorstep.. why on earth did i buy this?
asciilifeform: funkenstein_: either mats or i recommended it ?
asciilifeform: but it is a book for winblows reversers
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davout: asciilifeform: could you recommend a couple C books for the eager student?
asciilifeform: davec: kernighan&richie, 'the c programming language'
asciilifeform: is really the only book.
asciilifeform: if you must also have another,
asciilifeform: ^ more historical and quirks sorta thing than language per se, but i still give it to beginners
asciilifeform: these are the two books.
davout: ok, i'll have a look ty
asciilifeform: everything else, esp. the backbreakers with enormous print and oceans of whitespace that you will encounter at your local bookstore, is garbage
davout: won't the first one miss some updates of the C standard?
asciilifeform: davout: get the 2nd ed.
davout: ok
asciilifeform: davout: (not hard, because 1st ed. is virtually impossible to find. i actually preferred it, though, had better paper. and the differences are negligible)
davout: ah, actually it *is* the second edition
funkenstein_: asciilifeform, thnks :)
funkenstein_ bookmarks daneilpbarron's list
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funkenstein_: bookfinder.com hasn't changed in like a decade and still rules
asciilifeform heavy user of bookfinder
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mod6 so orphanage-thermonuke has never oom-crashed in your tests ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: ^ it is not expected to
danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-05-2015#1133831 << my full node also died recently, many times. I had to restart it like 10 times in a day when it usually goes weeks without crashing
assbot: Logged on 16-05-2015 05:30:39; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-05-2015#1133775 << no one noticed this detail !?!?!
danielpbarron: the node to which i'm referring runs 0.7.2 though, so might not be the same issue
jurov: !up Namworld
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: thread concerned 0.5.3.1 with orphanage-thermonuke patch.
asciilifeform: (not to be confused with much earlier orphanage burner patch)
danielpbarron: i thought maybe the live network was getting spammed the other day or something; why all of a sudden my node keeps crashing?
trinque: danielpbarron: I noticed deedbot's btcd node crashed the other day
trinque: for the first time
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mod6: <+asciilifeform> ;;later tell mod6 so orphanage-thermonuke has never oom-crashed in your tests ? << nope! it was pretty exciting to see it get all the way through full sync without oomkill.
mod6: now, it'll be interesting to see the numbers i.e. network usage (among other utilization metrics) between full sync of v0.5.3.1-RELEASE+{Orphanage_Thermonuke} & v0.5.3.1-RELEASE (currently running -- which also, as i was saying lastnight, already oom killed once)
mod6: <+danielpbarron> the node to which i'm referring runs 0.7.2 though, so might not be the same issue << as ascii said, this is apples to oranges, but I'm curious anyway; where abouts are you at in the sync process on this particular device? (what block height range? 250`000 - 290`000) ?
asciilifeform: trinque, danielpbarron: this is interesting enough that it oughta go in the mailinglist
asciilifeform: mod6: did you have a 'thermonuke' node going at the time of these events ?
asciilifeform: which, as i understand - did not crash ?
mod6: so yes, the first performance test was me running v0.5.3.1-RELEASE with Orphanage_Thermonuke patched in. Performance test conducted with `vmstat 1` & `nmon -f s3 -c1000000`. During this test the entire sync process completed without any oomkill.
mod6: Now, currently, I'm running a very similar test with v0.5.3.1-RELEASE (as a baseline) without your OrphanageThermonuke patch included... it did oomkill once, yesterday.
mod6: make sense? i'll post all the data with a posting about the findings.
mod6: well, actually, i'd post the orphanage-thermonuke patch test data now, but it's 113 mb of raw nmon captures.
mod6: if you want it, just holler.
asciilifeform: consider posting the charts
mod6: yup, will do. the charts are actully posted from the first test already (http://thebitcoin.foundation/OrphanageThermonukeCharts/), I'll certainly post the results/charts from the v0.5.3.1-RELEASE when it's complete as well.
mod6: we're getting closer, maybe 24 hours away; it's on block: 322683
asciilifeform: mod6: the most interesting chart is memory/time
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asciilifeform: (would have been best to measure only the bitcoind process)
mod6: yeah, i'll have to figure out how to use either nmon or another tool to capture /just/ the bitcoind process.
mod6: it's a work-in-progress
mod6: :]
mod6: it should be /fairly/ accurate as there isn't anything else running on this box. just the usual: sshd/syslog/screen/cron ..
asciilifeform: mod6: this is not the problem. the real issue is distinguishing disk-cache ram from process ram
mod6: ah, ok. i'll try to figure out how to capture that.
mod6: im throwing that raw nmon file up there for you now, incase you wanna see it.
mod6: just a sec.
mod6: ok, it's in that same directory: 'nmon_bitcoin-v0_5_3_1-RELEASE_plus_OrphanageThermonukePatch.txt'
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danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-05-2015#1134015 << it's a full node, so whatever blockrange happened over the course of the last few days
assbot: Logged on 16-05-2015 18:54:57; mod6: <+danielpbarron> the node to which i'm referring runs 0.7.2 though, so might not be the same issue << as ascii said, this is apples to oranges, but I'm curious anyway; where abouts are you at in the sync process on this particular device? (what block height range? 250`000 - 290`000) ?
mod6: danielpbarron: what block are you on currently?
danielpbarron: height=356716
mod6: ah ok
danielpbarron: and while checking numbers, my pogo is at height=352796
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jurov: lmao "these advertisements are not very professionally made"
mod6: lol, it was hard not to comment on that
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asciilifeform: http://hiqnews.megafoundation.org << bizarre, somewhat interesting, and (apparently) dead lulzatr0n.
asciilifeform: ^ should occupy any aficionado for most of an evening
asciilifeform: http://ummr.altervista.org/scansTEKECL.jpg << these (or, more realistically, modern) ECL discretes would probably outperform a modern integrated miner, were they to be built into a (washing-machine-sized) one...
asciilifeform: (almost certainly not, i might add, per watt. plant it somewhere mains power is 'phree')
jurov: really? how quickly ECL logic can do, say, one SHA step?
asciilifeform: jurov: ecl (emitter-coupled logic) is a supposedly-obsolete way to build logical circuits (on any particular semiconductor chemistry) where a transistor is kept near switching point at all times, gaining speed at the expense of economy
asciilifeform: it was used in certain '80s supercomputers.
jurov: yes, i know. even had it at school
jurov: pediwiki says "300 MHz flip-flop toggle rates".. and guess it would need flipflops if the SHA computaiton is pipelined
asciilifeform: my symbolics lisp mach., interestingly, has a board with a good number of ecl discretes. turned out, this was the framebuffer. it was the only way to crunch ~200MHz at the time
asciilifeform: jurov: check out a modern catalogue (e.g., 'digikey') - you can get ecl parts going into double-digit GHz
asciilifeform: (assembling these into a circuit with 'weakest link' still permitting these speeds, is 'an exercise for the alert reader')
jurov: heh had same thought
asciilifeform: ecl miners probably live on the same planet as gallium arsenide, etc. miners.
asciilifeform: while we're doing peculiar miners, one might also consider another lost technology, the 'integrated'... vacuum flask.
jurov: rly? last time someone dig out "vacuum" microelectronics, you said academic wankery
asciilifeform: because they needed a si fab
asciilifeform: the whole point, here, is to avoid the statal spittoon dragged in by the use of si microfabrication.
jurov: ah that. so, thinking about ECL, one basically needs to put together 2x80 identical circuits for two rouds of SHA1, and pipeline them, no?
asciilifeform: potentially, one could create a sequential circuit of arbitrary complexity using laser-cut metallic baffles in a long glass vacuum flask.
asciilifeform: on traditional principles of valve logic.
asciilifeform: jurov: sha2
asciilifeform: and when using exotic/handmade logic, you will probably take the opposite approach from a si designer - maximally 'un-unroll' the loops.
asciilifeform: keeping the number of parts at a minimum.
jurov: so you think about one SHA2 iteration feeding itself?
asciilifeform: aha, as on early fpga.
jurov: ;;calc 2000/128
gribble: 15.625
jurov: could have 15 MH/s if driven with 2GHz
asciilifeform: probably 'sheep's skin not worth the tanning' if tradeoff is taken to this extreme.
asciilifeform: 'What GE did was combine multiple common tube types into "fat" tubes—as many as four in a single glass envelope, all heated from the same filament. The idea was to reduce the amount of power required to heat the tubes and the space they required on the circuit board, as well as the associated costs of multiple sockets. In a very crude way, GE was applying the concept of integrated circuits to tubes, and if solid-state technl
asciilifeform: ogy had not advanced as quickly as it did in the first half of the 1960s, the Compactron idea might have been developed further, with even more tubes in a single envelope...'
jurov: don't you need one cathode per every gate, roughly speaking?
adlai finds along the rabbit-hole walls yet another example of "jpeg-quality gif > $maxint words": http://pw2.netcom.com/~wa2ise/radios/aa5-1t.html
asciilifeform: jurov: if going to tubes, one ought to stop thinking in terms of gates and start considering how much computation can be carried out by one flying electron...
deedbot-: [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Gold Rush! - http://www.contravex.com/2015/05/16/gold-rush/
mircea_popescu: copypaste https://8ch.net/btc/res/113.html#146 << ppls like the gpg lol
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assbot: Logged on 16-05-2015 21:48:24; asciilifeform: (almost certainly not, i might add, per watt. plant it somewhere mains power is 'phree')
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-05-2015#1134068 << i was gonna say, what do you do about accumulated errors. alpha emission was bad enough, this seems degrees of magnitude more so
assbot: Logged on 16-05-2015 21:54:31; asciilifeform: (assembling these into a circuit with 'weakest link' still permitting these speeds, is 'an exercise for the alert reader')
mircea_popescu: jurov lol at the >9000 watt thing
mircea_popescu: lol nice one pete!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7011 @ 0.00027976 = 1.9614 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: you gotta add a zoom of the damned gerbils
jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-05-2015#1134094 if we'd be able to manipulate electron ray so precisely, why no thin CRT's exist?
assbot: Logged on 16-05-2015 22:45:49; asciilifeform: jurov: if going to tubes, one ought to stop thinking in terms of gates and start considering how much computation can be carried out by one flying electron...
jurov: i suspect turning electrons in sharp curves needs a strong mag field -> high current
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jurov: !up Rozal
Rozal: buying 10 BTC, anyone selling?
Rozal: bank deposit
Rozal: wrong channel
jurov: it's okay,but better on #bitcoin-otc
jurov: ;;gettrust jurov Rozal
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user jurov to user Rozal: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=jurov&dest=Rozal | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Rozal | Rated since: Thu Jan 17 09:32:27 2013
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform, trinque: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=07-05-2015#1123556 << what's the story for managing tar files via portage?
assbot: Logged on 07-05-2015 03:36:21; asciilifeform: stas@humanoid ~ $ ls -l /usr/portage/distfiles/dieharder-3.31.1.tgz
jurov: ben_vulpes: it's source package that portage downloads automatically(with some exceptions) to /usr/portage/distfiles
jurov: was that the question?
ben_vulpes: no, but it's a very useful answer
ben_vulpes: gentoo quest
mircea_popescu: copypaste https://8ch.net/btc/res/117.html#170 << check you out, banned by minijust no less!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63600 @ 0.00027704 = 17.6197 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: !up ni291187
mircea_popescu: and it is now time for a review of teh various butthurt!
mircea_popescu: http://8ch.net/leftypol/res/186432.html << "So why are there specific ads on /v/ which are retarded /pol/-tier shit?"
mircea_popescu: "This is so FUCKING disgusting, holy shit"
mircea_popescu: meanwhile on /pol/, https://8ch.net/pol/res/2049610.html "Who is this fucktard and why do I have to see his retarded quotes as ads on every board?"
ben_vulpes: in bitcoin-related nooz...
mircea_popescu: hey, that looks like a bunch of dudes slapping the shit out of some chick
ben_vulpes: how can one ever tell with these internet gifs
ben_vulpes: could be dogs in costumes
mircea_popescu: http://v8chan.com/thread/3744246/what-is-this-ad.html << "As much I don't want to bring in /pol/ into every discussion, /leftypol/ is a hundred times worse. You're fucking cancer." / "its fags like you who make these threads the worst" / "No, it's fags like you who get triggered if anything remotely /pol/-like is mentioned, and I don't even like /pol/. Get the fuck out." / "You’re mentally disabled if you don’t thi
mircea_popescu: nk that is a good thing."
mircea_popescu: ahhh dude, chan is exactly where it was in 2005.
mircea_popescu: feelsgood.png
cazalla: the fuck is v8chan
mircea_popescu: prolly some sort of backup thing
mircea_popescu: the /b/ one ( b/res/2686327.html apparently) didn't get archived.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2511 @ 0.00068101 = 1.71 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: "man, i hadnt seen an ad on the interne in years. thought it was a banner for awhile" << bwahahaha.
mircea_popescu: web experts derp about how MP doesn't know shit. then mp makes something that owns anything they've ever seen in penetration. then they don't knowtice, because one can't be stupid and perceptive at the same time.
mircea_popescu: !up indiancandy1
mircea_popescu: ;;ud itt
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=itt | ITT. Usually done in all caps, it is the first post on a fourm. It directly mean In This ... ITT I'm wrong compared to popular opinion but I'll post this definition anyway.
indiancandy1: hi every body
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11660 @ 0.00027979 = 3.2624 BTC [+]
decimation: asciilifeform: adlai interesting 'application specific' tube logic links
ben_vulpes: !up deedbot-
ben_vulpes: trinque!
decimation: it occurs to me that one use of deedbot would be timestamping potential evidence, like camera/video captures
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-05-2015#1134106 << they did exist, 'field emission display' (essentially a crt with one electron gun - of cold cathode type - per subpixel!)
assbot: Logged on 17-05-2015 00:04:19; jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-05-2015#1134094 if we'd be able to manipulate electron ray so precisely, why no thin CRT's exist?
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-05-2015#1134108 << they don't need to turn sharp corners, in our hypothetical machine
assbot: Logged on 17-05-2015 00:08:31; jurov: i suspect turning electrons in sharp curves needs a strong mag field -> high current
mircea_popescu: aaand /btc/ is nao in the top 50th most read boards on 8chan >> https://8ch.net/boards.html
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8546 @ 0.00027986 = 2.3917 BTC [+] {2}
decimation: ben_vulpes: I have one of those usb knobs
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: what does the knob do ?
decimation: I use it to tune my virtual radio
ben_vulpes: twiddles kitchen lead time for operators of trinque's webmachine
asciilifeform: aha it's a joystick
ben_vulpes off to wedding
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: before you go - did it work ?
asciilifeform: and wai wat
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes plugged it into a serial port ?!?!!
asciilifeform: (after i explained, in agonizing detail, why this will not work...)
asciilifeform: and who holds soldering iron like this, l0l!
decimation: asciilifeform: looks like one of those ebay usb/3.3v serial dongles
decimation: someone who doesn't have a proper vice
asciilifeform: for soldering iron! lol
decimation: or holder deal
decimation: no, for the object being soldered
asciilifeform: decimation: that dongle is just the thing for, e.g., pogo - but the rng is not a rs232 device...
asciilifeform: it doesn't spit out start or stop bits
asciilifeform: (if it did, it would be perfectly usable as rs232)
asciilifeform: but it doesn't.
decimation: did you intend to use an spi device
asciilifeform: it's raw rng
decimation: ah I see
asciilifeform: i.e. a pin that changes level when it wants.
decimation: so really you need a '1-bit adc'
asciilifeform: now, if you have a -very- well-behaved os, you could sample it as rs232 anyway. but then you discover (see old mircea_popescu article where we stepped on this caltrop!) that you end up losing bytes that match 'control' section of ascii table
decimation: asciilifeform: or you could use a parallel port, if your computer has one
asciilifeform: decimation: this was what i told ben_vulpes at c3
asciilifeform: to use parallel port
asciilifeform: or, if cannot find machine having such - sound card
decimation: one can still buy 'em even for pci express
asciilifeform: decimation: i have one such installed right here
asciilifeform: in regular use.
decimation: I would worry about potential noise in the sound card
indiancandy1: wat r y talkin bout
asciilifeform: decimation: the noise doesn't matter, rng outputs logic-level signal
decimation: but if the levels are high enough and you use some kind of clipping algorithm it wouldn't be an issue
decimation: indiancandy1: sampling random signals
indiancandy1: abt hot guys here lol
indiancandy1: any*********
asciilifeform: indiancandy1: sorry only cold
williamdunne: indiancandy1: I'm a 7" tall Somalian
williamdunne: Or is that 7'?
williamdunne: I can never remember
asciilifeform: indiancandy1: and the item we were talking about, was this: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/mf3_compare.jpg
indiancandy1: i just bought some baloons of a somalian
asciilifeform: specifically the one on the left.
decimation: asciilifeform: I wonder how cricital sampling clock variation would be
asciilifeform: decimation: the problem with using sound card would be that it has ac-coupled input.
indiancandy1: there is a somalian guu
williamdunne: indiancandy1: they break yet?
indiancandy1: guy seelling baloons
indiancandy1: with that gass in
indiancandy1: on the street
indiancandy1: the gass they give to pregnant
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah good point. you could use it with an analog mixer and an audio signal generator
williamdunne: asciilifeform: Excuse my ignorance, but what is the box over the chips for?
williamdunne: indiancandy1: *inflate.
asciilifeform: williamdunne: rf shield (in the photo, it is missing the cover)
assbot: Logged on 17-05-2015 02:50:28; williamdunne: indiancandy1: I'm a 7" tall Somalian
asciilifeform: williamdunne: see third photo from ben_vulpes's link for what cover looked like
williamdunne: Ahh I see, looks good. Didn't realize how complete it looks
decimation: asciilifeform: your old soundblaster card came with a joystick input
williamdunne: indiancandy1: who are you?
decimation: as I recall they were dc-coupled potentiometers
asciilifeform: williamdunne: she is/was one of mircea_popescu's camgurlz, iirc
asciilifeform: !up indiancandy1
williamdunne: indiancandy1: asciilifeform: ahh I see, indian have you met Naphex?
indiancandy1: who am i
asciilifeform: decimation: at any rate, the -correct- way to sample these for experimental purposes is with either parallel port or a generic i/o gadget (e.g., 'ftdi')
indiancandy1: im like the only pretty girl who comes in here
williamdunne: Thats subjective
indiancandy1: im pretty young and fly
indiancandy1: and sexy
asciilifeform: indiancandy1: paid mircea_popescu a visit yet ?
decimation: asciilifeform: I suppose slight variation in the sampling clock (known to the enemy) would have very little effect on the output
asciilifeform: decimation: the correct way to sample is at (within feasible limits) random intervals.
asciilifeform: what one might call 'spread spectrum' clocking.
williamdunne: indiancandy1: http://i.imgur.com/JlzKjcw.jpg can't see your face though
indiancandy1: why would i
indiancandy1: instagram
indiancandy1: realshantidynamite
decimation: asciilifeform: I rarely deal with irregularly sampled signals, the idea creeps me out a little bit
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64389 @ 0.00028049 = 18.0605 BTC [+] {3}
asciilifeform: decimation: rng literally breaks most of the rules of 'civilian' electronic design
williamdunne: indiancandy1: Yeah okay I'll agree with you.
asciilifeform: where you try to minimize noise, get predictable mechanism, etc
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28400 @ 0.00028386 = 8.0616 BTC [+]
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah it's a fair point. my mental viewpoint for sampled signals is always a frequency domain visualization. my 'test' would be a really long fft
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how's she to afford the airfarez.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: same as me l0l
asciilifeform: using money.
mircea_popescu: she's enslaved by the cispatriarchy with the belief that she shouldn't have to.
williamdunne: Surely if she were to be blaming the cispatriarchy that would suggest she is transgender
decimation: what about transpatriarchy
mircea_popescu: well how should i explain it ? lol
williamdunne: decimation: that implies they are delusional
mircea_popescu: williamdunne if one blames the nazis does that mean they're jooz ?
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: no, but thats not binary
williamdunne: You're either cis or you're not
williamdunne: Its more like if you blame women, you're (probably) a man
mircea_popescu: is it ?!
mircea_popescu: most she-haters i know are womenz.
williamdunne: Hmm you're right, none of these examples are all that great
mircea_popescu: to bring the point home : you can only be NOT cis. because the people who use the term aren't, and to the entire would outside of that small, retarded minority the term is meaningless.
mircea_popescu: much like rape, racism, privilege, democracy, equality, social justice etc etc.
williamdunne: Indeed, so she is either a transvestite or a squirrelkin
mircea_popescu: the list of terms scared up by the delusional have this fundamental property that they only exclude.
williamdunne: /apache attack helicopter
mircea_popescu: the .svg.png part is lulzy.
asciilifeform: (know why even? microshit exploder, iirc, could not view svg. at all.)
williamdunne: *could not
williamdunne: being highlighted
williamdunne: IIRC it can since ie9
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25236 @ 0.00027849 = 7.028 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38764 @ 0.00027087 = 10.5 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: quite unrelated, but very spiffy >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DC8bDCfZ_Cc
asciilifeform: (where's arsebot ?)
asciilifeform: '1945 Zeros Attack B-29 Formation over the Fujiama.'
decimation: assbot seems to be partially tits-up
mircea_popescu: decimation what's teh problem ?
decimation: where's assbot's page titles and bitly links?
decimation: asciilifeform: it's interesting to see so many apparent successful zero 'intercepts'
decimation: my understaning is that bomber tail guns were not very effective
deedbot-: [Trilema] /btc/, the most recent 8chan board - http://trilema.com/2015/btc-the-most-recent-8chan-board/
williamdunne: decimation: Seems like they'd server more of a deterrent purpose than anything
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-05-2015#1134258 <<< total butterface, great tits though
assbot: Logged on 17-05-2015 02:56:56; williamdunne: indiancandy1: http://i.imgur.com/JlzKjcw.jpg can't see your face though
williamdunne: cazalla: I wouldn't go so far as butterface, definitely not the strong point
williamdunne: Maybe I have soft spot for Indian women
cazalla: this one is only half indian though
williamdunne: And half greek, so you know she won't get anything done
cazalla: those desi girls are pretty hot mind you
williamdunne: I think its the combination of the skin, and some western-ish features
cazalla: what are western features?
williamdunne: Less Asian than other Asians
cazalla: isn't that the East :P
cazalla: anyway if ya like shanti, her porno is in the logs
decimation: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/17/us/projectile-problem-goes-beyond-amtrak-train-and-philadelphia.html?_r=0 < lol apparently the new explanation for the amtrak crash in philadelphia is that the 'local citizens' were throwing bricks at the trains
decimation: "Getting ?rocked,? as locomotive engineers call it, is so common on the Northeast Corridor that trains long had metal grills over their windshields to act as armor. These days, thick glass is specifically designed to withstand the impact of a cinder block. Amtrak officials say trains are pelted in the neighborhoods around the crash site monthly."
hanbot: DUP bricks!
decimation: note that the new york times hasn't seen fit to cover this until now, because reasons
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