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williamdunne: decimation: I think the current logic is slippage
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-05-2015#1132463 << what are you two on about ? obviously if the keys can be cracked you do nbot wish to use them. who uses bitcoin addresses with known pubkeys ?
assbot: Logged on 15-05-2015 00:05:30; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-05-2015#1132454 << how could the answer possibly be anything other than yes ?
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-05-2015#1132410 << SCANDAL!11 mod6 ? ben_vulpes ? << haha
assbot: Logged on 14-05-2015 21:49:50; davout: meanwhile, http://blog.bitcoinfoundation.org/ leads to a "The Free Trial is Over" stock page XD
decimation: well, I was thinking about the case where one couldn't 'upgrade' a key because of threats to existing key lengths
mircea_popescu: i don't get it ?
decimation: implicitly, this means that the existing keyholders are sentenced to cuckoldry?
mircea_popescu: not sure what cuckoldry is, but, they can just register another key and push their stuff to it ?
decimation: right, so either they pay you or they lose their btc to some key guesser?
mircea_popescu: how would the key guesser know which key to guess ?
mircea_popescu: besides, factoring 4096 keys is not quite that much of a given. for one thing, 1kb keys have not been factored yet. for the other... moore law, again ?
decimation: it's a good point, but is strong enough to close the escape hatch?
mircea_popescu: iguess we see once some chickens escape.
decimation: fair enough. I would wager against it happening in the next 20 years
mircea_popescu: i have my doubts 4096 keys will EVER be factored.
decimation: me too
mircea_popescu: the idea that computing power is a monotone... heh. out of the crooked timber of humanity, no monotone was ever made.
mircea_popescu: (for they following at home : 4x as many bits does not mean 4x as large numbers. when computer registers went from 32 to 64 bits, maxint went from 2147483647 to 9,223,372,036,854,775,807)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu is betting on civilization collapse before 4k factored, aha
asciilifeform: not bad bet, either
mircea_popescu: doewsn't even have to be collapse. consider : a hot area of research in the 50s/60s even 70s was genetics of intelligence.
mircea_popescu: what's the progress in the 1990 - 2010 period ?
asciilifeform: or more mundanely, breeder reactors
mircea_popescu: supposedly a major contributor to gdp worldwide is, mental health medication.
asciilifeform: fields get 'magicked' out of existence all the time.
mircea_popescu: what EXACTLY is the progress, past 30 years ? ballas has the story in detail
mircea_popescu: or even closer to home : ai.
mircea_popescu: where is the mit ai lab ? it was SO respectable in the 60s
decimation: they sorta turned into that place where that chick sews shit
asciilifeform: the collapse of ai ('ai winter') quite arguably created a black hole with sufficient suction to take -all- of computing with it
asciilifeform: (however delayed)
mircea_popescu: i don't see a future for the stuff covered by moore's law, for the very simple reason we could call "obama's arab league failure"
mircea_popescu: to wit, the usians got beaten at it, so now it will have to no longer exist
asciilifeform: at any rate, moore's law as this passive quasi-mythical gifts-from-god thing hasn't been cryptographically relevant for a while.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform here's a snippet that will be perhaps insturctive. the ai winter and the vg winter happened almost in tandem. the latter resolved within a year.by the end of the decade vg was WAY ahead of the beginning.
asciilifeform: the only genuine concern is 'unicorns' (p==np, optical factorizer, entirely unknown strange) for which the incentive is more or less infinite and so will come into existence if at all physically possible
mircea_popescu: supposedly ai had much brighter minds at its disposal. what made the difference ?
mircea_popescu: video games
decimation: ^ note that a similar incentive exists for alchemy
mircea_popescu: 1983. the thing completely collapsed
mircea_popescu: 99.x% loss in sales, most commentators agreeing "it was prolly a fad" etc.
asciilifeform: decimation: see old threads re: how neutron bombardment caps the price of gold
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: more or less everyone knows about the mass atari burials, etc
decimation: asciilifeform: before that, astroid mining presumably
mircea_popescu: so, why ? why did the geniuses of mit fare so very much worse than the rag tag band of idiots and imbeciles coding for z80 in their bedrooms ?
asciilifeform: i would argue that the overvaluation of games was considerably less dramatic than of ai
mircea_popescu: they both don't actually exist...
asciilifeform: games, it turned out, were worth something.
mircea_popescu: they're both predicated on entertainment...
asciilifeform: people apparently sometimes like to play games.
mircea_popescu: and people don't like intelligence ?
asciilifeform: games, it turned out, could be produced, in the short term, economically.
mircea_popescu: allegedly.
asciilifeform: ai was a little more like 'hot fusion'
asciilifeform: (specifically hot)
mircea_popescu: the relation between games as produced and games is about the same as the relation between intelligence as produced and intelligence
mircea_popescu: so no, ai wasn't special.
mircea_popescu: it is my considered belief that it was SPECIFICALLY the unwarranted delusion that ai is special that ruined it.
mircea_popescu: not because it wasn't done. but because the idiots doing it (yes, minsky and all) were idiots about the one thing that matters, which had little to do with their actual target.
mircea_popescu: basically, a video game producer's view of MIT AI lab is "hey, it was a field-sized Daikatana"
mircea_popescu: EXACTLY the same. "oh, we have money, oh, we're in it to get it right"
mircea_popescu: bla bla.
asciilifeform: what ruined, very mundanely, is that it was part of reagan's massively-distributed embezzlement thing, which came to an end 'like all good things'
asciilifeform: live by usg, die by usg
Namworld: What's the opinion in this room about living expenses? What's acceptable % of revenue wise, how much should it costs, what's important stuff and less important stuff.
Namworld: I somewhat have a preference for smaller living space, higher quality goods/food.
asciilifeform: Namworld: i for one have no idea, i've never lived yet
Namworld: I'm completely derailing the current topic, sorry
mircea_popescu: the best advice i can give is, if you're having the girls living separate, pair them up. much happier girls, cheaper.
Namworld: Well considering I don't have a harem... that's not really something I have on my mind.
mircea_popescu: you see what i mean.
Namworld: More people in less space is cheaper and happier?
mircea_popescu: there is that rabi and goats story, but no.
Namworld: I don't see what you mean then.
cazalla: Namworld, know the get a discount on your bills trick?
Namworld: I often hear living in the city as someone poor (minimum salary) is harsh. It always seemed a bit absurd to me. Minimum salary here is ~$1400 per month after taxes. CAD$10.55 per hour.
asciilifeform: Namworld: and what's the minimal rent there?
mircea_popescu: cazalla costanza's "no here kruger" ?
Namworld: 400-550
asciilifeform: for what? a cemetery plot ?
Namworld: For studio/1br apartments
mircea_popescu: alf's privileged.
cazalla: mircea_popescu, lulz no but for anyone else, retention staff often have better deals than pay on time ask no questions customers, so you port your electricity/gas to another provider, old provider comes back to you during cool down period and offers something better
cazalla: and as i've mentioned a few times before.. take a roll of toilet paper home from work each day
cazalla: and if you're really game, load up on top cuts from supermarkets but weigh them in the self-serve as carrots
asciilifeform: cazalla: take a roll of toilet paper home from work each day << top soviet state-of-art.
cazalla: nothing like sirloin at 99c a kg
mircea_popescu: cazalla i had an entire fucking lulz with the elec corp in romania. they wanted to give me a deal if i prepaid, so i prepaid for like a year. then the eu elec price explosion happened, and so they paid me to get out of the prepay deal. then prices went back down.
mircea_popescu: in the end i got however many free megawatts.
Namworld: 99c a kilo? Never seen anything that cheap here.
Namworld: mircea_popescu ha!
mircea_popescu: but it was fully unintentional, they just kept running themselves into the wall
mircea_popescu: while i was nodding
mircea_popescu: noob energy futures traders, irl.
asciilifeform: they oughta have bought mpoe & dice
mircea_popescu: little do they know.
mircea_popescu: as hanbot sez, "the space to draw one's conclusion is big and fulla dragons."
Namworld: If only that... $420 rent here, split in 2 for a 1 bedroom. I'm installed in the living room/kitchen as if it was a studio. Roommate in room.
mircea_popescu: Namworld so send the roommate out to turn tricks ? should be 100 an hour at least.
Namworld: I'm no a pimp.
cazalla: you'd be better off using the spare rooms to grow dope than renting them out Namworld
mircea_popescu: why not ? they get kickass hats.
mircea_popescu: plus those platforms with live koi
mircea_popescu: cazalla nah, pink > green yo.
Namworld: Yeah, I wanted to, but I didn't have the hat.
hanbot: live *koi*?! how big are your feet, man?!
mircea_popescu: where's that butters instructional video...
mircea_popescu: do you know what i am saying!
cazalla: mircea_popescu, ya been watching too much breaking bad
mircea_popescu: hanbot as big as the penis, it's a rule.
mircea_popescu: anyway, maybe they were goldfish, i dunno.
asciilifeform: unrelated - anybody read the magnetics links ?
asciilifeform: because it was brain-melting
Namworld: I have rent, electricity bill, food (good food and delivered at door), cellphone and Internet all fitting within ~$500, depending on food selection that month.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform is now a quesadilla.
asciilifeform: approximately.
mircea_popescu: Namworld so then what's the bitch ? you're not seriously contemplating cutting out of that 500 are you ?
Namworld: No. Feels like I have everything I need. I'm just perplexed by people who don't have the excuse of kids struggling on minimum salary.
mircea_popescu: they probably smoke.
asciilifeform: Namworld: wait till you meet the folks struggling on maximal salary
asciilifeform: and everything in between
Namworld: asciilifeform, I'm pretty sure working with folks struggling on maximal salary is a masochistic endeavour.
Namworld: You have to enjoy headaches and/or brain aneurysm.
Namworld: mircea_popescu, not always. Even then, I don't see many smokers smoking enough to burn almost $1000 a month.
asciilifeform: Namworld: one way to 'smoke' 1000/mo. is to live in usa and pay it for 'health insurance'
mircea_popescu: what's a pack, $10 ?
mircea_popescu: 3 a day is perhaps a little much
mircea_popescu: http://digitalmoneytimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/shutterstock_120783400-300x199.jpg << anyone explain what the advertising-exec looking chick is doing in that pic ?
Namworld: I'm not even on minimum salary and could live 2x on it.
asciilifeform: Namworld: how much did your electron microscope cost ?
Namworld: This document from 2012 seems to say a carton of 200 smokes were ~$77
Namworld: So about $10 per pack, yeah
Namworld: electron microscope?
asciilifeform: let's rephrase
asciilifeform: there is 'live' and there is 'exist'
asciilifeform: so far, what has been described is 'exist'
asciilifeform: as one does in jail.
mircea_popescu: check it out! asciilifeform DOES get my original point!
mircea_popescu: Namworld, copy this man.
asciilifeform: which one? that jail is waiting?
assbot: Logged on 15-05-2015 04:39:14; mircea_popescu: you see what i mean.
Namworld: Oh... but what's the criterion to be considered living vs existing?
mircea_popescu: sometimes i think i'm too terse. then i look at the logs and shudder. what's a gal to do!
mircea_popescu: that's your job Namworld. can't be asking us. (there's even a rule about it!)
asciilifeform: Namworld: ask mirror ?
Namworld: I wouldn't consider myself to be merely existing. But it seems as such for you.
asciilifeform: Namworld: paul erdos, one of the greatest mathematical minds of his century, owned - a suitcase and suit.
asciilifeform: i dare say, he lived.
mircea_popescu: always the same one!
asciilifeform: of course same one
asciilifeform not erdos, but also owns precisely one suit
mircea_popescu is poor, does not even own his own pair of jeans.
Namworld: I feel much better having a small living space and more spare money than I can use than having a big place with only crap to put in it and struggling to afford anything but paying for a large living space.
mircea_popescu: lolz all you wish, but let me tell you something : to anyone i knew in the 80s, "you will never own your own pair of jeans" would have been possibly the worst conceivable curse.
asciilifeform: 'the law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal bread' (TM) (R)
Namworld: You're trapped overpaying for a big space. That's the real prison. Small space, you're basically free to do whatever and have the luxury of free time with less stress.
mircea_popescu: except if the girls start fighting because they're crammed too close together.
asciilifeform: Namworld: where will you put electron microscope in small space?
cazalla: Namworld, even a small space cost you 30 years of your life here
asciilifeform: any idea how much room these need ?
mircea_popescu: i find the symmetry amusing.
asciilifeform: or the 3-phase mains
asciilifeform: you gonna get those in your 1-room flat ?
asciilifeform: can't even plug in a gantry mill
asciilifeform: w/out 3-phase
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in a time long ago i had a 3 phase washing machine.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: l0l! for elephant ?
mircea_popescu: for 50-75 kgs dry.
cazalla: anyway, i thought all you old school bitcoiners were rich as fuck
asciilifeform: cazalla: who is 'you'
asciilifeform: cazalla: i own - my shirt.
mircea_popescu: anyone older than him :D
cazalla: ha yeah pretty much that ^^^
Namworld: Admittedly, if I wanted to use any of these equipments, I'd just study the field and get the funds and lab assigned to me.
asciilifeform: Namworld: l0l of the century
asciilifeform: what was it herr hitler supposedly said, 'any man who likes to shoot guns ought to join the ss' ?
Namworld: Space is a concern only when you need it. You don't buy a large warehouse building without any plans on how to use it/put it to work.
mircea_popescu: i do, actually.
mircea_popescu: only time i ever bought such a thing was off the auction block. had no use for it, but fuck. dat price.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: still have it ?
mircea_popescu: lol, why do you ask ?
mircea_popescu: would have been great for mining, because metal structure, unheated by default.
mircea_popescu: but was sadly many years ago
asciilifeform: great for many things.
mircea_popescu: anyway, pogos should be geographically distributtsexed.
asciilifeform: so for folks who don't read links, u.s. folk were most of the way to fabricating microscale magnetic circuits, when ic was discovered and entire field evaporated
asciilifeform: some work continued for rad-hard/far-space applications, but nothing public came of it
asciilifeform: the only magnetic circuit item that remained in use, for a while, was ferrite ram
asciilifeform: (and, in past few years, a kind of reborn version of it, 'mram')
asciilifeform: but certainly no -logic-.
mircea_popescu: actually afaik the one thing that came out of that field was magnetic bottles, years latr.
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asciilifeform: magnetic bottles were iirc saharov's idea
asciilifeform: and long pre-date all of this
Namworld: Haven't been around in a while, but from lurking every now and then, seems it's a bit slow for assets. There's no longer talk about assets/tons of trade tickers.
asciilifeform: Namworld: i broke it
Namworld: Seems most regulars are still there talking at least.
asciilifeform: or wait, where is 'there'
mircea_popescu: how long can it all predate it ? sakharov is contemporary with feynman not with bohr
asciilifeform: pre-dated 'bubble ram' etc.
asciilifeform: but i'm not entirely clear on how 'magnetic bottle' for keeping charged particules penned in, relates to magnetic logic
mircea_popescu: "magnetics"
asciilifeform: then faraday also.
mircea_popescu: it's not really big enough to have subfields yet.
asciilifeform wonders what then -is- big enough
mircea_popescu: feminism > magnetism.
Namworld: Well, this is what living on ~$500 of bills per month looks like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvW1M9QfDfQ
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hanbot: is Namworld soft-launching a life coaching business?
Namworld: Apparently. Seems by most people's standards, they'd be driven nut by the small space. The space with workdesk/bed/dresser is 5x10 foot
hanbot: all it needs is atomics, could be submarine.
Namworld: I didn't consider such a thing. I guess I'd feel confortable even in a submarine/ship.
cazalla: Namworld, get rid of the cat, savings right there not to mention A+ for no animals living in the house
Namworld: But I like the cat...
cazalla: most of the people in here like cats + smokes
hanbot: confucious sez, cat can save you a meal...
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Namworld: He's tricked me with his cuteness and affective disorder. He's clingy.
cazalla: meh i hate em, they kill a lot of the natives around here
Namworld: Kill?
Namworld: Natives?
cazalla: local bird life for a start
Namworld: Well people shouldn't let cats out to hunt...
cazalla: plus there is the toxoplasmosis thing
Namworld: No point in having a cat if he's away all day. It's just not doing anything but costing you and being a nuisance to people around.
cazalla: anyway, be a man and get a dog
Namworld: Well my cat can play tag, comes at the door running to greet you and gives his paw. I could probably teach him to fetch.
Namworld: It might be a dog that is disfigured and has bad vocal cords. Might just happen to look like a cat.
Namworld: The convenience of owning a cat and a dog in one, with all the disadvantages and not quite all the benefits.
cazalla: but if you're trying to save money, perhaps just eat the cat and reduce not only the cost of feeding it but save extra on a meal or two for yourself
Namworld: I'm not trying to save money.
cazalla: i'd bet a cat or dog costs about the same to feed a toddler
cazalla: my bad then, i assumed your interest in reducing living expenses was so that you could save a bit extra
Namworld: I'm sure a toddler is more expensive... Cat is like a $20 bag of food for like 2-3 months. And like ~$15 of litter for the same period. So about 10-15 bucks per month.
cazalla: shot myself in the foot with that one.. if i had said baby though, breast milk being somewhat free and all
Namworld: I'm not trying to save, I'm going to be upgrading living expenses by $200 per month and have my own bedroom. In a better location nearer downtown in a bigger and better apartment.
Namworld: It just happened that I ended up with $500 in bills per month, without any effort on my part whatsoever.
Namworld: I'll be living slightly more expensively within 2 months.
Namworld: I was just perplexed by single people with no children struggling with minimum salary, which is ~$1400 after taxes.
cazalla: no doubt they piss a lot of it away but i don't think they are entirely to blame for being on struggle street
Namworld: It's something that's agreed on by many that you can hardly live on minimum salary. It just feels weird to me. By any sort of standards, it seems minimum salary here is luxury compared to almost everything else.
cazalla: we have a high minimum wage here (down under) but people still struggle on account of insane cost of living so can't really blame people for indulging a little, not like it's worth their time to save a deposit for a house anyway
Namworld: Even by US standards. Perhaps not by EU standards.
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> [04:53] unrelated - anybody read the magnetics links ? << wrapping my head around the microwaves, actually
Namworld: Cost of rent especially, since it tends to be a big part of budget. Wouldn't want to have to pay rent in San Francisco.
Namworld: Some cities are expensive...
Namworld: ok, it's past 2am, I guess I'll log off for now. Getting empty in here. I'm off-topic for the channel too. Shouldn't be rambling late at night. I'll turn senile early.
ben_vulpes: <Namworld> [05:06] I feel much better having a small living space and more << i miss lathes and mills and welders
ben_vulpes: i could buy a mini cnc mill and make custom leather embossing dies
cazalla: i can't articulate it well but i'm sure i've read alf mention it before that it's part of the bezzle.. have you work and paid just enough to cover bills but never enough that you could be free of it within your life time, at least until you're washed up and old
Namworld: Alf?
cazalla: asciilifeform soz
cazalla: plus this idea of down sizing just helps them fit more people in
cazalla: you end up paying more for less
ben_vulpes: that is true enough
punkman: just enough to cover bills < not even that around here
ben_vulpes: the house i grew up in might retail for ~3x what my parents paid for it, and far more than i'll ever sock away in my lifetime
Namworld: I feel if you stop bothering about what people think, fitting social expectations, outperforming your neighbors or any such thing. At least in certain places. I suppose it depends on real estate prices.
cazalla: ben_vulpes, comparable homes in my area are going for 600k, supposedly worth so much more than what my grand parents paid for their massive acre blocks back in the day where they were able to raise lots of kids on one wage yet i'm supposed to believe you're average australian couple who both work and pay for someone else to raise the 1 kid have it better because the total lack of land and bricks is worth $$$
cazalla: your average even
Namworld: The lack of land and bricks is worth a lot of dough. You could be paying a lot of dough at any big corp for fees and terrible services. Inconvenience is costly. What better investment than a overpriced house so you can live inconvenience every day of your life? You save a lot of money that way.
mircea_popescu: right. so if you pick up a girl what do you do, take her to a motel ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, hanbot has a point : join a fishing ship / oil rig / something. they'll pay you 5k a month to live in a 50 sq ft space,
mircea_popescu: instead of youy having to pay 500
Namworld: Well, the living space might not bother me, but the inconvenient is you have to do fishing or oil drilling or so on work.
mircea_popescu: or cook, or w/e.
cazalla: Namworld, he's talking about working for a living, he's talking about sharkin'
Namworld: Well cook might be more in my cords. But doing it all day? Seems a bit mind numbing.
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mircea_popescu: Namworld so do it for six months, take a year or two off.
cazalla: Namworld, shitty job (i did like an unpaid 16 hour shift many years ago)
Namworld: Always an option. Something to try out.
punkman: science boat pays a bit less but still quite well
cazalla: didn't bother coming back for the actual job, working in a kitchen sucks
Namworld: Well I'm off for real this time.
Namworld: Goodbye
trinque: installing openvas on gentoo with the latest ebuild ends up forcing you to use an old gnutls version
trinque: the irony
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wyrdmantis: hello everyone
wyrdmantis: ;;nethash
gribble: 368694095.451
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mircea_popescu: http://deepfreeze.it/journo.php << o hey, check it out, a db of fucktards
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cazalla: mircea_popescu, gee you really took the grainy gif insult to heart :P
mircea_popescu: i love that vid.
mircea_popescu: fucking bs tv. THAT is what it's supposed to look like.
cazalla: lose points for mole on the vulva though
mircea_popescu: i'm not watching any more videos until they conform.
mircea_popescu: i don't care how it looks. the point is that it's there, none of this "o, she just took the beadspread to the bathroom" bs.
mircea_popescu: who the fuck even does that.
cazalla: what? check for vulva moles?
mircea_popescu: no, takes the breadspread ot the bathroom.
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cazalla: lol yeah was just joshing
cazalla: still, vulva moles.. the lack of vulva symmetry doesn't phase, nice that they all come in different shapes and sizes but.. moley mole
mircea_popescu: so what of it ?
cazalla: can't say i'm a fan.. might try to touch it in a subtle manner to ensure it is a mole lest someone didn't teach the poor girl how to wipe
mircea_popescu: can prolly have it burned off if you give a shit.
mircea_popescu never got to quite that level of detail specificity.
cazalla: probably has to pluck big ass mole hairs from it too
mircea_popescu: yo cazalla, if i give you some candy are you gonna go all junkie and forget your duties to land and king ?
cazalla: why would you be giving me that
cazalla: but yes, so i don't eat it
cazalla: what triggered that, mole talk?
cazalla: blank page?
cazalla: had some faucet stuff but that's gone after refresh
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/fain_visuals_1600px.png << heh, ancient wot-like stuff from my romanian digg thing
cazalla: reads like spirography with translate
mircea_popescu: basically it connects users with the other users whose things they voted
cazalla: how the US misspoke about sending bombers and drones over here to watch the chinese with is puzzling
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cazalla: i wonder if they deliberately make errors so that many people watch to point them out to one another
mircea_popescu: if they do it failed cuz i dont give a shit >D
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76300 @ 0.0002831 = 21.6005 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: "So as you can probably tell, this board is primarily dedicated to IRL Harems, how to build one, and crucially, how to do so with minimal effort even if NEET and without money.
mircea_popescu: A secondary area of interest is how to leverage your Harem to make $$$ and/or how to find a rich girl/woman to marry.
mircea_popescu: Let the intelligent discussion commence"
mircea_popescu: clearly, the millennials are on to someshit.
cazalla: sounds great until i gave it a bit more thought and considered the cost and work involved
cazalla: harem on welfare though, sounds like baseless advice
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 125850 @ 0.00027904 = 35.1172 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: at least in the republican fears, harem on welfare = inner city blacks.
mircea_popescu: it's not THAT far off from the truth
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58141 @ 0.0002843 = 16.5295 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49600 @ 0.00028501 = 14.1365 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65000 @ 0.00028501 = 18.5257 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59056 @ 0.00027728 = 16.375 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95750 @ 0.00027703 = 26.5256 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64688 @ 0.00028261 = 18.2815 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-05-2015#1133005 << eagerly awaiting 'electron microscope on welfare' article
assbot: Logged on 15-05-2015 10:11:19; cazalla: harem on welfare though, sounds like baseless advice
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57023 @ 0.00028806 = 16.426 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-05-2015#1132555 << had the thought, that a 'future pgp' could easily include a feature for key agglomeration - where an old key remains in continuous use when upgraded with new one, whereby signatures actually include both side-by-side at all times, while enciphering takes them in turn. thus, you get the added key length (and fresh keymat) from new key, while demonstrating that you are th
assbot: Logged on 15-05-2015 03:36:01; mircea_popescu: it's no such proof. it's proof that you are willing to allow the holder of key y to continue in your stead.
asciilifeform: e owner of all key with every use.
asciilifeform: *of old key
punkman: asciilifeform: << eagerly awaiting 'electron microscope on welfare' article << i think that's called university
asciilifeform: punkman: again, very much no!
assbot: Logged on 15-05-2015 05:14:10; asciilifeform: what was it herr hitler supposedly said, 'any man who likes to shoot guns ought to join the ss' ?
asciilifeform: do you understand the difference between owning your own kalash and serving in ru army ?
asciilifeform: folks fixated on hardware often do not.
asciilifeform: don't be fixated on hardware.
punkman: I concede that point, yes
punkman: I do remember a fellow that made a crude DIY electron microscope though
asciilifeform: punkman: you are almost certainly thinking of the atomic force microscope made with piezos
asciilifeform: idiot newspapers billed it as 'electron'
asciilifeform: (whereas it is merely a very small 'gramophone')
punkman: not familiar with such equipment
asciilifeform: that one looks genuine.
asciilifeform: however, it (like the proverbial linux) is 'free if your time has no value.'
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-05-2015#1132926 << one of the mantras my parents liked to repeat to me was 'in ussr no one owned their home' - mega-l0l, no?
assbot: Logged on 15-05-2015 06:28:58; ben_vulpes: the house i grew up in might retail for ~3x what my parents paid for it, and far more than i'll ever sock away in my lifetime
asciilifeform: in practice, quite the reverse.
asciilifeform: want to know what you 'own' in usa? try and stop paying the property tax.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-05-2015#1132932 << could even save enough for a decent funeral, on that
assbot: Logged on 15-05-2015 06:38:28; mircea_popescu: anyway, hanbot has a point : join a fishing ship / oil rig / something. they'll pay you 5k a month to live in a 50 sq ft space,
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-05-2015#1132907 << again, in usa, this wage would disqualify you for any usg payola for 'the poor' while putting you precisely one medical or legal bill away from life-long debt, jail, or graveyard
assbot: Logged on 15-05-2015 06:13:52; Namworld: I was just perplexed by single people with no children struggling with minimum salary, which is ~$1400 after taxes.
asciilifeform: punkman: not far from where i live, one of those things sold (surplus) for 1k or so.
asciilifeform: punkman: but you also must include the cost of transport (even across the street - not cheap!), 3phase mains, and climate-controlled floor to park it on.
asciilifeform: i lacked the last two items and so did not buy.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42963 @ 0.00028806 = 12.3759 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-05-2015#1132928 << and not remotely close to all the fat has been trimmed, even. within your lifetime, a house (even miniature house) occupied by just one family will become unspeakable luxury, as the sovietization continues
assbot: Logged on 15-05-2015 06:31:28; cazalla: ben_vulpes, comparable homes in my area are going for 600k, supposedly worth so much more than what my grand parents paid for their massive acre blocks back in the day where they were able to raise lots of kids on one wage yet i'm supposed to believe you're average australian couple who both work and pay for someone else to raise the 1 kid have it better because the total lack of land and bricks is worth $$
decimation: asciilifeform: I did look through the magnetic amplifiers book. It sounds difficult to fabricate tiny transformers on ferric cores
decimation: but I do like the idea of using magnetic flux for computation rather than electric flux
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 174350 @ 0.00028806 = 50.2233 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11112 @ 0.0002874 = 3.1936 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96850 @ 0.00028712 = 27.8076 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64900 @ 0.0002882 = 18.7042 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 102800 @ 0.00028131 = 28.9187 BTC [-]
Naphex: Pierre_Rochard: nice kick on that bucket with gavin :))
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21150 @ 0.00028828 = 6.0971 BTC [+]
mats: rich has other good stuff on his site if you're into low level exploitation
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40900 @ 0.00028306 = 11.5772 BTC [-]
whaack: So I'm working on building a system where people who I allow can spend BTC on credit. They would have the ability to spend my BTC just for having a good trust rating with me, and the business would be about improving the way I set the trust rating / payment limits etc. so that the fees I take in for the service outweigh the losses I have to eat
whaack: Has anyone tried something similar or know of someone who has?
chetty: people have certainly sold BTC via things like paypal, doesn't seem much different
whaack: I'm not sure how that's similar, in this system we would be blind to any interaction with fiat institutions
joecool: whaack: people have done it in #bitcoin-otc
joecool: but there's a bit of a prevailing 'motto' in the channel now: "loans are a gift"
whaack: Our customers would have a debt to settle in btc, if they can't settle it they get kicked out of the trust network.
whaack: joecool: yeah this system starts with giving the customer a gift, the point is to make sure that the people we give gifts are the kinda people who give gifts back
joecool: whaack: plz see the long list of people who have been kicked out of the "trust network" in -otc
joecool: my favorite example from there is aethero... he was king of the $10 paypal trade, built up his trust and then took out ~$100k USD equiv in btc loans from everyone in -otc and btcjam...
joecool: after which he promptly fell of the face of the earth
joecool: s/of/off/
whaack: joecool: No doubt that kinda thing is expected to happen, and that's a sad story, but the point is that that kinda thing is expected to happen and you just gotta design a better risk rating system
joecool: o rly
joecool: whaack: design the "bitcoin credit report"
whaack: yup, pretty much
joecool: i will say WoT works fantastically well most of the time for trade
joecool: ;;ident whaack
gribble: Nick 'whaack', with hostmask 'whaack!4a48d33f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.74.72.211.63', is not identified.
joecool: ;;gpg info whaack
gribble: User 'whaack', with keyid 54D96EEE73C04299, fingerprint D1D04E15A322737EEE1BDA13D344A7036FE8E4D6, and bitcoin address None, registered on Mon Feb 9 23:36:17 2015, last authed on Mon Feb 9 23:36:17 2015. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=whaack . Currently not authenticated.
whaack: hmm
whaack: my fingerprint is 6326 273B 61A7 00AF 4CD9 5A7B 8C6C AB19 24A6 4DEC
joecool: not according to that?
joecool: ;;gpg info joecool
gribble: User 'joecool', with keyid 4A169504F495E1D1, fingerprint D7570DDF7F8527E085A6CBA44A169504F495E1D1, and bitcoin address 1JoecooLw8qohGrFrmhCcPN6Gw355FjxBc, registered on Thu Apr 28 01:50:04 2011, last authed on Fri May 15 13:07:38 2015. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=joecool . Currently authenticated from hostmask joecool!~joecool@no-sources/joecool .
whaack: lol gotta start somewhere
whaack: !h
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99700 @ 0.00028846 = 28.7595 BTC [+] {2}
joecool: whaack: i'm not sure how those fingerprints work, but the way gribble does it is different than assbot
trinque: !gettrust joecool
assbot: Trust relationship from user trinque to user joecool: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=trinque&to=joecool | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/joecool/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96500 @ 0.00028864 = 27.8538 BTC [+]
trinque: joecool: moral there is that 10 trades shouldn't build enough trust in a person that they can take out 100k :p
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: http://cryptome.org/2015/05/doug-williams-guilty-plea.pdf << mega-l0l. i, for one, have never seen the 'plead guilty' form, and it is lulzy
Namworld: I'm scared. I just visited the forum for the first time in a long time...
Namworld: The quality of posts seems to have dropped even further. No one seems to understand or have a clue about anything Bitcoin.
trinque: Namworld: like any gutter on a public street
trinque: the shit accumulates
trinque: ascii_field: are you aware that you have agreed to no less than 10 inches of veiny cock shoved up your ass? y / n
trinque: there's a real perversity to this; they must like all the procedure around it
trinque imagines all of american bureaucracy is filled with people who can't cum unless a few hundred forms are filed
chetty: lmao, no I didnt make a plea deal (those are not legal after all) and if I lied on this form I am guilty of perjury, they get you no matterwhat.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66050 @ 0.0002833 = 18.712 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81738 @ 0.00028306 = 23.1368 BTC [-]
ben_vulpes: "i am medicated for schizophrenia and what is dog"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19463 @ 0.00028306 = 5.5092 BTC [-]
jurov: TIL some cats have affective disorder?
Namworld: Hey jurov
Namworld: I don't know about that... but he kinds of act like it.
jurov: Hey. I prefer human pets with bipolar affective disorder
jurov: even live with one... in a flat not any bigger than yours
Namworld: Will start destroying/chewing stuff if I'm not home for for more than a day. Kind like a dog, but you don't see that behavior often in cats.
trinque: Namworld: an indoor cat I bet
jurov: it's normal for indoor cats, only after more days
trinque: he's just bored
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 189617 @ 0.00028407 = 53.8645 BTC [+] {2}
jurov: and discussing burn rate here...i won't dare
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73583 @ 0.00028873 = 21.2456 BTC [+] {2}
jurov: i always feel that am spending more than i can afford
jurov: then some obsure project or investment succeeds and all is allright
Namworld: Yes, but he goes to door when it rings/greets you. He's also persistant for attention.
trinque: cats are by nature murderous little bastards that need to climb trees and draw blood to be happy
trinque: barring that, does yours have something to climb inside?
Namworld: He climbs into cloths, although he's not a kitten anymore.
trinque: but they don't actually behave normally imo unless they live mostly outside
Namworld: Well he climbs up on fridge to watch birds outside and generally on just about anything.
Namworld: The city isn't a nice place for cats to be outside.
jurov: yup, give him something own to climb on
Namworld: I'll have a big thing for him when I move in a month and a half. Not much space.
Namworld: He seems to prefer sleeping on top of fridge/whatever is very high. Or on me/around me.
Namworld: He often lays just over my shoulder on the dresser
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60941 @ 0.0002789 = 16.9964 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/causes-and-purposes/#comment-114187 << which reminds me, davout do you know who the most famous guy by that name was ?
trinque: hilarious, the city's named after the company Goodyear
mod6: they grow a lot of cotton out there.
davout: mircea_popescu: tell me
mircea_popescu: napoleon's general that won the battle of jena for the confused four footer's name was davout.
mircea_popescu: ;;google Louis Nicolas Davout
gribble: Louis-Nicolas Davout - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis-Nicolas_Davout>; Davout & Napoleon - The Napoleon Series: <http://www.napoleon-series.org/ins/scholarship97/c_davout.html>; Ask MHQ: Why Wasn't Davout at Waterloo? - History Net: <http://www.historynet.com/davout-at-waterloo.htm>
davout: ah right, i knew this guy's name, but not his story
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37208 @ 0.00027684 = 10.3007 BTC [-]
davout: "He was one of the few commanders in history to never be defeated on the field." <<< yea, sounds about right!
mircea_popescu: then again, he didn'y use rails.
davout: :D
davout: i'm pretty busy learning C these days
davout: 'At Jena, Napoleon won a battle he could not lose. At Auerstädt, Davout won a battle he could not win".'
davout: allright
ben_vulpes: "the fun, simple, flexible JavaScript test framework"
ben_vulpes: programming is none of those things, why are you lying to me
fluffypony: "60% of the time it works every time"
williamdunne: Flexible could have a solid case
ben_vulpes: i haven't even visited your web page and already you've lost all credibility with me.
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: snobol on slugs.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony has it.
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, fluffypony, your racks buildin business still active ?
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: yep it is
mircea_popescu: jurov you got a 728x90 coinbr banner ?
mircea_popescu: fluffypony wanna advertise on 8chan ? :D
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: not selling much to consumers anymore, got 1x big fat contract that's still got 17 months on it
fluffypony: ben_vulpes: just switch to this: http://html9responsiveboilerstrapjs.com
mircea_popescu: and yeah, re jurov's link : totally, getting "regulated" would deeply benefit bitcoin. it's not like MPEx being put in charge of the US financial markets would be a marked improvement for the us financial markets. o no, it's the other way around dontcha know.
ben_vulpes: fluffypony: i just broke out laughing
williamdunne: v0.0001 came with a load of code breaking changes, don't think it will be stable until v0.000115
fluffypony: "It works in RubeGoldberg 2.2 but will not autocompile freeway buttmonkey merge svn commitshare javahunk."
trinque: >Does a bear have regular bowel movements in the cool breeze of a grassy woodland area?
fluffypony: I've actually used that line when responding to a Ruby developer on Skype who was being dumb
trinque: LOL
joecool: check view source
jurov: no, only 248x50, gotta make one...and can I also push coinroll banner?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] [PAID] 3.52635256 BTC to 10`000`000 shares, 35 satoshi per share
fluffypony: the commits are awesome
mircea_popescu: !up deedbot-
fluffypony: "There's a known bug with the IE5 bootloader that's preventing multi-threaded access to the cloud partition. Workaround is to enable JSON override mode and recompile the WSDL. Once you've done that, just deploy the __kernelNode binary to the socket listener, restart the Flash daemon and refresh your browser. That should take care of the error. I know, kind of an annoying hack, but it seems to work."
fluffypony: "@dmansouri, it worked! THANKSS!!!!!! but now I've lost support for the color blue. :/"
deedbot-: accepted: 1
trinque: mircea_popescu: no need, or shouldn't be
mircea_popescu: jurov sure.
jurov: what are the terms?
mircea_popescu: ahjahaha COLOR BLUE!
mircea_popescu: jurov the terms are that you just get it, for now.
jurov: ok, thanks
mircea_popescu: that thing with the color blue really brings back memories.
mircea_popescu: as a poor chitlin in romania, i was stuck on a monitor that was losing yellow for months
williamdunne: >If you've just had a baby, try to refrain from referring to the event as a "new product launch".
williamdunne: << their twitter page is pretty good too https://twitter.com/H9RBSjs
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] [PAID] 263.41331311 BTC to 1`000`000`000 shares, 26 satoshi per share
deedbot-: accepted: 1
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: i was stuck on a monitor that was losing yellow for months << l0l! i just picked up a sealed, virginal sony 21" trinitron...
mircea_popescu: ascii_field o.O
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 225829 @ 0.0002857 = 64.5193 BTC [+] {5}
mircea_popescu: i am slightly jealous
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: fella has more
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: if you have a phriend with 'ebay' acct.
mircea_popescu: how the heck ?!
ascii_field: no idea how
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21171 @ 0.00028923 = 6.1233 BTC [+]
ascii_field: 1600x1200 at 90+ Hz
ascii_field: optically flat, even.
williamdunne: BitOtter - The Bitcoin Options Trade Tool for MPEx
williamdunne: Options coming back?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-05-2015#1133041 << the lol-ziest part is that upon collapse, inhabitants "bought" them from govt, making an eastern europe much socially richer than anyone else in the world.
assbot: Logged on 15-05-2015 14:19:08; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-05-2015#1132926 << one of the mantras my parents liked to repeat to me was 'in ussr no one owned their home' - mega-l0l, no?
mircea_popescu: at some point it was > 90% home ownership
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: didn't last long in ru
mircea_popescu: williamdunne i think that's just very old.
ascii_field: folks sold for 'pennies on the dollar' so they could eat.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field lasted ~15-20 years n ro
mircea_popescu: at some point there was a bank on every corner FOR THIS REASON
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Ah, I assumed its new as just saw on twitter for the first time
mircea_popescu: derps didn't understand they were i nthe business of sorting out their home ownership
ascii_field: in ru they did a thing called 'shock therapy' - engineered economic rape to dislodge the 'owners'
assbot: Logged on 07-04-2015 00:10:01; mircea_popescu: just like having a car doesn't alow having gasoline. it's true that often people who have cars also independently have gasoline, but the two are fundamentally unrelated, and there is such a thing as the fool's breakdown, ie, car's outta gas on the side of hte road.
ascii_field: it was a classic, textbook demo of 'money without power'
ascii_field: which is not a stable condition, to put it mildly
mircea_popescu: bout as stable as gasolin
mircea_popescu: someone somewhere's gonna wanna power something.
ascii_field: i can easily picture a similar opera playing out in usa, after clitler or whoever proclaims a mortgage jubilee, creating 100mil derps who are suddenly 'millionaires'
mircea_popescu: incidentally, that would be the correct way to handle the us collapse.
ascii_field: the meat is then harvested as per ru.
mircea_popescu: since the govt is fucked anyway, just import all the bank balances on ITS books,
mircea_popescu: then give all the actual real value to people
mircea_popescu: then die.
mircea_popescu: it's how the greek's do it. its how ex soviet empire did it.
mircea_popescu: it's the right way to do this.
mircea_popescu: definitely NOT the way the us will do it, for that reason.
trinque: they'll instead do some incomprehensible refinancing thing where nobody wins
ascii_field: pointing out that in su case this resulted in a very brutal dekulakization ('but at least it wasn't the state doing it')
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-05-2015#1133044 << amusingly, one of the things in the 2000s romania was, nobody was paying property tax because fuck you
assbot: Logged on 15-05-2015 14:19:53; asciilifeform: want to know what you 'own' in usa? try and stop paying the property tax.
mircea_popescu: govt powerless. but then, peoplidiots wanted into the eu.
mircea_popescu: govt now not powerless.
ascii_field: what was eu even for if not for this
mircea_popescu: but the derps really really wanted it.
mircea_popescu: heck, to protect them from russia.
mircea_popescu: because yeah, totally, the western allies of romania so very protected it from russia historically.
mircea_popescu: ww1, ww2, whatevs. but what do the derps know.
mircea_popescu: this should have been done long ago. mandatory nudity throughout highschool.
mircea_popescu: us kids don't fuck anymore anyway.
ascii_field: not quite accurate
ascii_field: they don't want to do the necessary chores
mircea_popescu: "The nude self gesture takes place in complete darkness, and everyone is nude, with only one candle or very small source of light for each individual performance. Each student can select where everyone will be during the performance and where the performance will take in the performance studio -- just as they are able to do for all the performances they do.
assbot: Logged on 15-05-2015 16:28:13; mats: rich has other good stuff on his site if you're into low level exploitation
mircea_popescu: rich should learn to web.
assbot: Logged on 15-05-2015 16:55:18; whaack: Has anyone tried something similar or know of someone who has?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 196350 @ 0.00028938 = 56.8198 BTC [+] {4}
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-05-2015#1133079 << yeah, never mentioned much somehow, also.
assbot: Logged on 15-05-2015 17:10:52; joecool: after which he promptly fell of the face of the earth
assbot: Logged on 15-05-2015 17:58:47; ascii_field: http://cryptome.org/2015/05/doug-williams-guilty-plea.pdf << mega-l0l. i, for one, have never seen the 'plead guilty' form, and it is lulzy
ben_vulpes: liars.
ben_vulpes: mother. fucking. liars.
williamdunne: node makes me cry
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: http://trilema.com/2009/fumez/#comment-114192 << l0l! how come -i- don't get ru spam ?!
BingoBoingo: !up pete_dushenski
pete_dushenski: on vacay on public wifi atm, but i snuck in some time to organise the '21' convo from the other day into a post.
jurov: ;;ticker --currency eur
gribble: Error: Failure to retrieve ticker. Try again later.
jurov: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 237.03, Best ask: 237.1, Bid-ask spread: 0.07000, Last trade: 237.1, 24 hour volume: 9075.62309001, 24 hour low: 235.8, 24 hour high: 239.0, 24 hour vwap: None
pete_dushenski: only to discover that scoopy is sleepy
trinque: do I have to install the damn tenyks-feeds plugin too :P
pete_dushenski: also, 50 btc mpex seats ! wawaweewah!
pete_dushenski: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 356604 | Current Difficulty: 4.7643398017803444E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 356831 | Next Difficulty In: 227 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 11 hours, 8 minutes, and 54 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 48725175240.2 | Estimated Percent Change: 2.27057
pete_dushenski alrighty, the town beckons. cheers!
assbot: 15 results for '"[S.BBET] [PAID]"' - #bitcoin-assets search
jurov: kakobrekla mircea_popescu: additional 5mn shares was floated?
trinque: deedbot-: list feeds
deedbot-: No feeds.
trinque: alright I've got an RSS thing now too
kakobrekla: jurov lol, my guess is mp fucked up again.
kakobrekla: but hey, at least is not 30mio
jurov: http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=%22[S.MPOE]+[PAID]%22 same thing
assbot: 25 results for '"[S.MPOE] [PAID]"' - #bitcoin-assets search
kakobrekla: dunno
jurov: previously he paid half of profit to half of the shares
jurov: this looks like full profit to full shares, so the outcome is correct
trinque: deedbot-: add feed http://trilema.com/feed/
deedbot-: http://trilema.com/feed/ is a go!
deedbot-: http://contravex.com/feed/ is a go!
jurov: i'm looking forward to eulora dividend fuckups, cuz number of shares will actually change as warrants are placed
trinque: what else should go in there?
trinque: and if scoopbot comes back, I'll turn it off.
deedbot-: [Trilema] A lunatic with a bloodied axe could be ringing at your door! - http://trilema.com/2015/a-lunatic-with-a-bloodied-axe-could-be-ringing-at-your-door/
deedbot-: [Trilema] New MPEx fee - http://trilema.com/2015/new-mpex-fee/
deedbot-: [Trilema] Nature vie avec jeune fille - http://trilema.com/2015/nature-vie-avec-jeune-fille/
deedbot-: [Trilema] The Fetlife Meatlist - Volume XI - http://trilema.com/2015/the-fetlife-meatlist-volume-xi/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 105600 @ 0.00027633 = 29.1804 BTC [-] {2}
deedbot-: [Trilema] In which Orwell avoids what he does not wish to see - http://trilema.com/2015/in-which-orwell-avoids-what-he-does-not-wish-to-see/
deedbot-: [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] 21 Inc. and Comcast sitting in a tree, d-e-r-p-i-n-g. - http://www.contravex.com/2015/05/15/21-inc-and-comcast-sitting-in-a-tree-d-e-r-p-i-n-g/
deedbot-: [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Tips and tricks for being a successful (small time) landlord. - http://www.contravex.com/2015/05/13/tips-and-tricks-for-being-a-successful-small-time-landlord/
deedbot-: [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Anyone have a single Elbrus ARM-401 for sale? Mebbe a 4.4 Server? It’s for the children. - http://www.contravex.com/2015/05/12/anyone-have-a-single-elbrus-arm-401-for-sale-mebbe-a-4-4-server-its-for-the-children/
deedbot-: [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Why did blacks stop caring about respectability and acceptability in USistan ? Because there’s none to be had. - http://www.contravex.com/2015/05/10/why-did-blacks-stop-caring-about-respectability-and-acceptability-in-usistan-because-theres-none-to-be-had/
deedbot-: [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Austin Powers : International Man of Mystery - http://www.contravex.com/2015/05/10/austin-powers-international-man-of-mystery/
trinque: sorry bout that; that should be the last time it does that.
jurov: rss aggregator to end all aggregators
davout: amazing
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
davout: phew
trinque: jurov: I can actually have the thing poke assbot for the shasum of the wot list
trinque: so I'll actually verify the thing
jurov: oh yes, since you have access to irc
davout: IRC auth is best auth
jurov: ready
trinque: jurov: deedbot- is happily munching on those pubkeys, thanks
trinque: hm, it might be useful to deed-ify the list of key fingerprints periodically
jurov: kako refused to sign it
trinque: jurov: try your thing again
deedbot-: accepted: 1
jurov: yup
trinque: fancy
deedbot-: Bad URL or network outage.
trinque: lol why does it hate that one
trinque: hah!
jurov: no it was sent to btc-dev instead
trinque: jurov: last one's a 404; he was being honest
jurov: http://ml.therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-May/000087.html yes it's only here. but i'm not asking poor deedbot to munch this.
jurov: sorry my internal development url keeps leaking
trinque: jurov: hm my regex might work fine for that
trinque: it just looks for the start and end of the pgp message
trinque: lemme whitelist that
jurov: kk
deedbot-: Bad URL or network outage.
davout: ImNotInTheMoodException
deedbot-: Bad URL or network outage.
trinque: alright private beatings then that'll work
jurov: but it will need to decode &lt; &gt; etc.
trinque: yeah you're right, this is going to be a pain in the dick
trinque tosses that on the deedbot- requests pile and gets back to work
trinque: I'll bet what it's actually barfing on is that <pre> on the same line as the beginning of the message
trinque: but the encoding thing will also have to be accounted for
jurov: alternatively, the clearsigned text can be easily saved as attachment
jurov: by $%#! mailman
jurov: and archived... i don't think it should be deedbot's job
trinque: jurov: yeah, I'm thinking that'll open up a lot of "message didn't verify due to html encoding fuckery" problems
trinque departs for now
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell mircea_popescu qntra banner http://i.imgur.com/8mYHVc0.png
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu dulap down ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
cazalla: is it strange that muh node use to field 40-50 active connections but the past few days tops 100?
mircea_popescu: mod6 https://8ch.net/btc/index.html << might need a few reloads, but teh republican banners, they're there.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dunno!
jurov: mod6 ben_vulpes asciilifeform why don't we throw out the mailing list and move to 8chan?
jurov: veeeery srs
mircea_popescu: copypaste is there a way to api the backuping of stuff on 8chan ?
copypaste: there is for example
copypaste: this is for the first page of the board
copypaste: there are also JSON for every thread
copypaste: (here's the list of threads: https://8ch.net/btc/threads.json )
copypaste: and then
williamdunne: My blog has been read so far by a very diverse crowd..
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43300 @ 0.00027857 = 12.0621 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: williamdunne no women thug lifers ?
williamdunne: Apparently not
williamdunne: Sample size of 96
williamdunne: Out of like 600 sessions, rest couldn't be determined
joecool: heh that's a great domain
williamdunne: " The official currency of The Most Serene Republic" - CopyPaste do you recognize the most serene republic?
williamdunne: joecool: thethug.life you mean?
joecool: yeah
williamdunne: Thought someone had to make use of the gtlds
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo lmao that's just too weird
joecool: yeah there really are getting to be a lot of random ones... eg: http://poop.bike/
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It's sound marketing. More bunnies === more clicks
mircea_popescu: i don't think "the industree" of internet advertising was humiliated nearly as badly b4
BingoBoingo: Also when it comes to imageboards, can you really overdo weird?
mircea_popescu: anyway, it's live
williamdunne: joecool: Have you heard of the .sucks one? Its pretty clever. They're charging something like $4k to buy in the pre-order period so that brands will buy it before someone creates yourservice.sucks
copypaste: williamdunne: What do I need to do to recognize it?
williamdunne: copypaste: 0.1% tax on all revenues payable
joecool: williamdunne: who is? verisign?
mircea_popescu: schmucks will prolly pay 4k, too
joecool: oh some random canadian company
williamdunne: Vox Populi Registry Ltd
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36900 @ 0.00028462 = 10.5025 BTC [+]
williamdunne: "Applications for cause marketing (e.g. cancer.sucks), consumer advocacy and customer service."
williamdunne: How long can the cow be milked for until the udder goes dry? Will it next be .isawful, .robspeople, .killskittens?
mircea_popescu: .sbabies
mircea_popescu: domains ending in fuck, kill etc.
williamdunne: 2,199.00 USD - I stand corrected
williamdunne: For trademark holders only
williamdunne: $250 at general availability
williamdunne: On an unrelated note, is it considered acceptable to have an optional subscribe feature on a blog?
williamdunne: Or is it incredibly distasteful
BingoBoingo: Depends how implemented
williamdunne: Right hand side, for example:
mircea_popescu: what;d it do tho ? like an email based bookmark/rss feed ?
mircea_popescu: seems a little silly
williamdunne: Yeah pretty much
williamdunne: To be perfectly honest the main motivation is knowing who reads my blog
joecool: i have never subscribed to a blog
mircea_popescu: you might get a half-complete list of idiots that read your blog, if you care.
mircea_popescu: i haven't ever subscribed either
joecool: mircea_popescu: probably mostly bots that subscribe and scrape content
mircea_popescu: i think in some fields (retarded "make money while you sleep" "webmaster/businessmen" ; "infomercial products" from hyps to herbal whatevers ; etc) it might well work.
mircea_popescu: http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1048m3cVm1rqclrto1_1280.jpg << ah, those old style heating elements. pretty much every single room in eastern europe / european russia had one of those. EXACTLY like that one.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 114074 @ 0.00027964 = 31.8997 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: all the way to the paint.
mircea_popescu: cast iron, about 2kgs per element. that one's easily 60kgs
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 165526 @ 0.00027599 = 45.6835 BTC [-] {4}
asciilifeform: jurov: move to 8chan? << share the lsd ?
mircea_popescu: the chan of things!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: EXACTLY like that one << my 1st adult flat in usa had one
asciilifeform: (19th c. house)
asciilifeform recalls the steam heat thread
mircea_popescu: btw, if anyone feels like making some banners to replace https://8ch.net/static/8chan%20banner.png go right ahead.
asciilifeform still not grasped what, precisely, was the appeal of '8chan'
asciilifeform: (or the other similar www)
asciilifeform: from my perch, looks like every other heathen pit
mircea_popescu: it's like the appeal of boxing. either you grew up with it or it's stupid
mircea_popescu: copypaste how does the gpg signature thing werk btw ?
cazalla: what size do the banners need to be
copypaste: 300x100 is the banner size.
copypaste: GPG signatures arne't open to the public yet, just me.
williamdunne: Who is responsible for w.b-a.link?
mircea_popescu: copypaste ah ok. any plans to open them ?
mircea_popescu: cazalla 728x90 for qntra, 300x100 for /btc/
copypaste: Yes, but not immediate plans. When the system is finalized you would be able to upload a key, have it put in the server's keyring, then paste a signed message into the box. You would put the keyID in the email field and it would sign.
copypaste: That's how I sign. I just haven't implemented the "everyone can put a key" thing yet.
mircea_popescu: you can prolly steal the assbot/gribble code, depending what you run
mircea_popescu: iirc gribble runs in python.
mircea_popescu: i dun recall there being anything prewritten for that.
copypaste: The system also would not handle concurrency well, due to the fact that it comes up with the ID by doing ls, then finding the biggest numbered text file in _g and adding one to it.
copypaste: So, those two problems need to be fixed before everyone can sign.
williamdunne: copypaste: I've done the everyone can put a key thing before, I can help you with that if you want..
copypaste: Sure, there's another problem though - we have 3 servers that run PHP, so I need to sync the keyring across them, hehe.
copypaste: I manually entered my pubkey into all three servers, but that's not possible for everyone signing...
copypaste: Yeah, sorry. :(
mircea_popescu: how do you handle your concurrency then ?
williamdunne: The way I handled this was I had a separate server running with the keys
copypaste: Well that only affects singing. Since I'm the only one that can sign
copypaste: It's not a problem.
williamdunne: And then requests were sent between the webservers and that server for things like signing
copypaste: That's a better idea. I was thinking of just doing an NFS share.
copypaste: With the keyring on it.
copypaste: Fixing the archive is more urgent right now since it has a deadline.
copypaste: I'll let you know when keys for everyone are available though :)
decimation: asciilifeform: I didn't really understand the point of bbs's when I was a kid either
mircea_popescu: ;;google NFS share
gribble: NFS - Wikipedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_File_System>; SettingUpNFSHowTo - Community Help Wiki: <https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpNFSHowTo>; HOW TO: Share Windows Folders by Using Server for NFS: <http://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/324089>
decimation: mircea_popescu: nfs is a method of exporting a filesystem over tcp
decimation: like cifs
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 135950 @ 0.00028837 = 39.2039 BTC [+] {3}
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Nah, maybe eventually.
copypaste: Why was your Twitter suspended, mircea_popescu?
copypaste: I tried to follow you
mircea_popescu: copypaste i killed some guy.
copypaste: I see.
deedbot-: accepted: 1
mircea_popescu: amusingly enough, a year later he actually is pretty well dead, as far as these things go.
copypaste: Yep, haven't heard of him in a while. When his buddy Andressen tried to be relevant again everyone just laughed at him until he gave on his hard fork idea.
mircea_popescu: i kinda miss the old derpage days. used to have a bitcoin jesus, now all we get is some obscure godfather pedo.
copypaste: Most of them went out of business.
williamdunne: Roger Ver isn't dead
mircea_popescu: so what's he doing, selling wet fireworks ?
williamdunne: You'd have to ask him, invested in some okay-ish companies
williamdunne: Being paid to speak at conferences and such
williamdunne: Don't think he's ever done much more than that though, has he? Other than a shop or summin
mircea_popescu: williamdunne a lot of posturing originally, also the famous incident of using his blockchain.info credentials to spy on random people.
williamdunne: Mmm wasn't random, but yeah that wasn't the smartest move
williamdunne: He seems pretty okay to me, not met him in person but tbh I'd like to
copypaste: If you want real lulz, read them trying to process payments: https://github.com/gratipay/gratipay.com/issues/3415
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 295429 @ 0.00027439 = 81.0628 BTC [-] {2}
williamdunne: Even if not doing anything that interesting, seems nice enough
copypaste: Absolutely hopeless, lmao
copypaste: I can't access the tables via psql. Are we running this on a backup?
copypaste: "No, not running on a backup."
mircea_popescu: williamdunne we dun have to like/dislike the same people yo.
cazalla: was gonna title it "local milfs need bitcoin news" or something
williamdunne: cazalla: do it
mircea_popescu: cazalla wait are those she-garza shots ?
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: I know, doesn't stop it from being discussed
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30492 @ 0.00027358 = 8.342 BTC [-]
cazalla: mircea_popescu, lol no just ripped from some porno banner
mircea_popescu: isn't that too meta ?!
deedbot-: accepted: 1
mircea_popescu: !s just did whatever
assbot: 3 results for 'just did whatever' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=just+did+whatever
cazalla: yeah prob, lemme think it over a bit more
mircea_popescu is kind-of curious who's gonna be the bitcoin warhole.
trinque: jurov: I dicked it up messing with it and it made a new sqlite db nobody further down the assembly line cared about
trinque: that'll go out at the hour
williamdunne: I've got a thang working on my wordpress that'll display my WoT rep, but for some reason w.b-a.link only accepts a connection every hour or so
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> [00:01] http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1048m3cVm1rqclrto1_1280.jpg << ah, those old style heating elements. pretty much every single room in eastern europe / european russia had one of those. EXACTLY like that one. << the one in my boyhood room had a fancy metal box over it!
mircea_popescu: only-one-heating-element.jpg
ben_vulpes: mwell it wasn't a full armspan, more like half
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i just meant, apparently the whole world was long ago united by the heating element unicity
ben_vulpes: steam, the once-universal tech
ben_vulpes: i've harped on its wondrous properties before
trinque: oh man, downsy swimsuit pics
trinque: brutal
mircea_popescu: "That name might sound familiar to you and that is because that's the imageboard full of suicidal virgins that Zoe Quinn accused of harassing her to try and promote her game. Which was ironic because this led to people trolling a forum full of suicidal people in the name of promoting a game about dealing with depression. Even more funny is the fact that Zoe faked the whole thing for attention after a troll from the CWC
mircea_popescu: ki forum made a single post about her there"
BingoBoingo: trinque: Still better than the hamplanets who blame their genetics. i.imgur.com/dl09rDa.png
mircea_popescu: this has to come back to lizards and the jews doing 9/11 somehow
trinque: BingoBoingo: ahaha "ham planet"
williamdunne: If people could see that beauty is on the inside then most of the models in the world would have Down syndrome <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Oh dear jesus. Too dumb to be dicks?
trinque: inb4 downs sextape
mircea_popescu: downs sextrape
williamdunne: Going downs on stepdad 3
mircea_popescu: ahahaha ow shit lmao
trinque: !b 5
assbot: Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2958KRQ.txt )
mircea_popescu: https://encyclopediadramatica.se/M00t's_GamerGate_Sellout << check it out, anjiecast leads ed article on 4chan gamergate something something.
ben_vulpes: ;;seen princessnell
gribble: princessnell was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 31 weeks, 1 day, 9 hours, 36 minutes, and 15 seconds ago: <princessnell> oh the andreas vid
ben_vulpes: !rated princessnell
assbot: You rated user princessnell on 12-Jun-2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: coulda been a contender..
ben_vulpes: ;;rated princessnell
gribble: You rated user princessnell on Thu Jun 12 02:00:30 2014, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: first princess of bitcoin.
ben_vulpes: ;;rate princessnell 1 coulda been a contender...
gribble: Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.
ben_vulpes: ah right
ben_vulpes: ;;eauth ben_vulpes
gribble: Request successful for user ben_vulpes, hostmask ben_vulpes!~benkay@unaffiliated/benkay. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/2AFA1A9FD2D031DA
ben_vulpes: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:37497d8d9e14489bc7b139047464ad7b6c23367f30dbd8fd4435768d
gribble: You are now authenticated for user ben_vulpes with key 2AFA1A9FD2D031DA
ben_vulpes: ;;rate princessnell 1 coulda been a contender...
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user princessnell has changed from 2 to 1.
williamdunne: Some redditor seems to have outsourced their insults.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DggAXSv53Qc&feature=youtu.be
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79961 @ 0.00029014 = 23.1999 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: So, 11 year plan on track still. Did pushups today until I couldn't a few times and then wrapped my hands and practiced jabs on the locust tree outback (Iron pole idea did not last very long in practice)
williamdunne: Find a friend and beat the shit out of each other
williamdunne: Also, what on earth is this..
mircea_popescu: the word is attention whoring.
BingoBoingo: williamdunne: I think you underestimate the challenge of getting my chainsmoking, heavy drinking ass into shape for that step.
mircea_popescu: you know, like how women name their ugly spawn "obama" or w/e
williamdunne: BingoBoingo: Easier than it sounds if you have an equally unhealthy friend
BingoBoingo: williamdunne: That kind tend to be averse to the idea of being punched though.
ben_vulpes: oh pete_dushenski wasn't kidding about the mpex hike
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: I'm really just trying to work out how a bent triangle relates to bitcoin
williamdunne: BingoBoingo: Get em' drunk first? Maybe that goes against the point of getting healthy
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Of course he wasn't didn;t you read the qntra today
mircea_popescu: through the "author"s misplaced expectation that making such a claim will promote his production
BingoBoingo: williamdunne: That sounds like a great way to get sued for all of the nothing I have.
williamdunne: BingoBoingo: If your friends would sue you for that you need to get better friends
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: scoop's down! how'm i to know
BingoBoingo: williamdunne: Sure, but you forget that while drunk it is easy to make best friends
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: I check for scoop, I drop linkies
williamdunne: Assbot has temporarily taken over scoop functions
trinque: neh deedbot- did, and I was mostly just seeing if the feeds plugin worked
williamdunne: *deedbot
williamdunne: Ah okay
williamdunne: Well as said, once my pay comes in tomorrow I'll stick scoop up on a server
mircea_popescu: so wait is deedbot scooping now ?
trinque: mircea_popescu: I added trilema and contravex, and yeah I think it's working
mircea_popescu: williamdunne you can have a cpanel acct if it helps you
trinque: barfed out the last five of each
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Thanks but no thanks, compiled code
BingoBoingo: Wow, the cpissel rejectionism here
mircea_popescu is kinda too lazy to set up a different server sharing scheme
williamdunne: BingoBoingo: I attended a college for a short while, I was recording all of my work on a cpanel server. Had about a years worth of stuff on it when it fucked up
trinque: imagine, nerds: there are people who don't enjoy setting up servers like it's their cherished train set
trinque: lol
BingoBoingo: Eh, cpanel's kinda the shared server standard
williamdunne: The biggest problem with shared servers is that so often they are ridiculously underpowered and its hard to tell before you do so
mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/3GCHCR9 << this is pretty lulzy. reads just like the glbse thing to me.
BingoBoingo: trinque: Then what are man and /etc/ for?
williamdunne: Not to mention 300 malware sites sharing your IP
mircea_popescu: so 4chan is a gawker subsidiary now ?
trinque: BingoBoingo: I "bashops" but there's no excuse for not having something whereby you can make configuration something you bundle and give a name, reuse
williamdunne: DigitalOcean however lets you stick up a cheap ass VPS for what, $5 a month and you can auto setup wordpress. If you can't work out how to do the initial basic step with SSH you have no business running a website
BingoBoingo: trinque: Sure there is, it is called a /etc/ fileset
trinque: yeah that sucks ass; we have way better tools for code
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Lesser than that.
mircea_popescu: well no, because gawker being broke obviously there's nowhere less to go.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Halfchan is now a gawker intern subsidiary
mircea_popescu: lol ok ok
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes meth getting to expensive ?
ben_vulpes wouldn't know, is on an apparently decade-long hiatus from atomderping
mircea_popescu: [9/18/14 12:08 AM] moot: This meeting is one of the most important we've ever had, EVERYONE NEEDS TO BE HERE
mircea_popescu: ahahah moot got petrified because... cracked sent him an email ?
mircea_popescu: who gives an everloving fuck about cracked. i don't even answer their emails.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79358 @ 0.00027358 = 21.7108 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: they can show up in here like the sec and everyone else.
BingoBoingo: WTF would cracked even email about
mircea_popescu: i dun read them, either.
mircea_popescu off to eat
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89300 @ 0.00027089 = 24.1905 BTC [-] {3}
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-05-2015#1133634 << it's more related to folks with mania washing hands 17 times in a row
assbot: Logged on 16-05-2015 01:47:03; trinque: imagine, nerds: there are people who don't enjoy setting up servers like it's their cherished train set
asciilifeform does not suffer from either affliction, is in fact almost terminally lazy
trinque: /etc is abominable suck, akin to every shitty scripting language coming up with their unique snowflake of syntax for the same things
trinque: makes it absolutely impossible to interrogate it for 'everything which makes reference to the hostname db.foo.baz'
trinque: when I say everything I mean "what are the services which will care about this change" not "what config files have this string"
trinque: maybe you want to reload those services after changing the db they use
trinque: trivial query over relational data
BingoBoingo: Maybe nothing material unless you are rebuilding the whole machine? DB's are just slaves with more shit in their linen
trinque: they're slaves which are very careful with their tasks, and which save their masters the trouble of repeating trivialities needlessly
trinque: as it stands my email program has to have logic about 'what if I didn't open an e-mail'
trinque: wouldn't it be nice to simply declare the structure of an e-mail, and know that anything acting upon anything which claims to be an e-mail is going to be of a given structure?
trinque: furthermore the separation of the data from any particular program allows many programs to all diddle the same data happily in concert
trinque: seems entirely called-for in systems programming
mod6: ~<+mircea_popescu> mod6 https://8ch.net/btc/index.html << might need a few reloads, but teh republican banners, they're there. << hey thanks! they look great! :]
mod6: <+jurov> mod6 ben_vulpes asciilifeform why don't we throw out the mailing list and move to 8chan? <+asciilifeform> jurov: move to 8chan? << share the lsd ? << as much as the turdolator has been a pain for jurov, I've kinda grown fond of it. however, I'm open to discuss it a bit if we can figure out a scheme inwhich it would work. mainly, ive just never been very into bbs.
mats: today i bought an iphone 5s to hack on
mats: am excite
asciilifeform: i emphatically disagree with anything which allows unsigned crud from unknowns
asciilifeform: for purposes of therealbitcoin
asciilifeform: but i'm not the mod
mod6: yeah, im not sure how we'd block posts from people like we do with mailman
asciilifeform: the l2 thing is the one true filter.
mod6: ^
asciilifeform: it obsoletes all other spam filtration and membership mechanisms
asciilifeform: and i am also not clear on why we would want to move from a box adminned by an l1 man in good standing to some random thing shared with a million bozos
asciilifeform: but again i'm not therealbitcoin. if mod6 and ben_vulpes wish to move to 4chan, 8chan, 4096chan - up to them
asciilifeform: (though i'd really enjoy hearing some rationale as to why they did this)
mats: lol
mod6: haha, agree. and like i said `if we can figure out a scheme inwhich it would work', and that would imply that it would have to somehow work better than what currently ``works''.
mod6: so, basically, no. i'd like to keep our current ramshackle.
asciilifeform gives up the would-have-been-very-spiffy fanless 486 he bought, for dead. no output on any port. damnation.
mod6: you're not just going to re solder all the outputs?
asciilifeform: unless vendor lied, it's likely been cracked (in pcb) in shipping
mod6: ah :/
asciilifeform: woulda been a nifty thing - 12 inch across, square, solid steel case, 1 isa slot, no fans.
asciilifeform: fucking fans. been searching for a fanless 486 for years.
asciilifeform: (properly fanless, incl. power block)
mod6: hmm, i had a PB back in like 94 that was like a P1 -- had heatsink only. might have had a case fan tho.
asciilifeform: most 486 lacked cpu fan
asciilifeform: but had case and ps fans
asciilifeform: (and were quite large physically.)
mod6: back then they built that stuff to last.
asciilifeform: shipping, apparently, kills even it.
mod6: well.. the disks didn't usually fair so well, but. yeah.
asciilifeform: no disk in this one
asciilifeform: solid-state (yes, rare) on mb
asciilifeform: all 4mb of it
mod6: huh. yeah, maybe you got scammed?
asciilifeform: not impossible
asciilifeform: fella has other machines just like it for sale. and takes returns
mod6: ah, yea. send it back, get yourself a working relic.
asciilifeform: fool shipped this 'relic' in a thin cardboard box scarcely larger than machine, via usps.
asciilifeform: hence brick.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> shipping, apparently, kills even it. << As time goes on this issue will continue to become problematic as boards become more brittle
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i was told by dks in no uncertain terms that lisp machine can never be mailed.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> fool shipped this 'relic' in a thin cardboard box scarcely larger than machine, via usps. << What the fuck
mod6: oh no. yeah, it was probably thrown up and down, left and right. gotta have a solid box & styrofoam enclosures.
asciilifeform: (at one point, he was willing to crate'em up for a princely sum, and ship. but after several DOA he quit.)
BingoBoingo: I get the 486 isn't quite a rarity yet, but damn
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: -this one- is a rarity
asciilifeform: fanless and 12x12x2inch.
mod6: asciilifeform is gonna be like the guy in cryptonomicon who has the technology museum
asciilifeform: mod6: i don't collect antiques for the sake of antiques
asciilifeform: what i own - i use (or at least, did once use)
asciilifeform: (the lisp machine, will probably feature in my peine forte et dure)
mod6: just as a pre-lizard-hitler fabrication that still works kinda thing?
asciilifeform: for specific purposes
mod6: cool
asciilifeform: ^ Peine Forte et Dure.
mod6 fires up lynx
mod6: haha, what's on his chest? sushi rolls?
asciilifeform: standard weights, presumably
mod6: ah ha
mod6: ``Strong and Tough Sentence''
asciilifeform: peine forte et dure - was not an execution, as such
mod6: thought it was just like some occult dining ritual
asciilifeform: it was a procedure for folks who refused to plead (submit to the jurisdiction of the court. formerly, english courts could only try folks who 'agreed' to be tried)
mod6: ah
asciilifeform: sometimes, 'agreement' required some... persuasion.
mircea_popescu: no idea how that could un-become being the case.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: perhaps they ran out of good weights
mod6: thats when they call in the MOAR.jpg cake eating chick to sit on his face.
asciilifeform: lucky if only sit!
asciilifeform: (fans of 'forte et dure' will love neal stephenson's mega-backbreaker-yarn 'baroque cycle', where an entire chapter is devoted to it)
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the 486 was, i admit, because i wanted to play a bit of games again.
asciilifeform: after decade+
asciilifeform: (and '3d studio' aha)
mod6: remember kings quest? that was a 486 game iirc
asciilifeform: mod6: i have a mega-warez-set of -all- of sierra works (incl. that series) waiting for the day that never comes.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: No shame in that
asciilifeform: (on that day, i have 1) fanless 486 2) with genuine 'sound blaster 64' 3) trinitron 4) free time.)
mod6: asciilifeform: ahh, cool, well, hopefully you'll get to play 'em again
asciilifeform: perhaps after the war.
mod6: there you go
mod6: speaking of which... is nosuchlabs.com down?
asciilifeform: mod6: very much
asciilifeform: mod6: box went awol
asciilifeform: so far no word from boxmeisters.
mod6: ah, ok. thought /maybe/ i saw that in the log.
mod6: was just gonna check on the phuctor stats
mod6: thing was cranking through the keys nicely.
asciilifeform: mod6: what you probably saw was me bitching at mircea_popescu (through whom i have this box)
asciilifeform: and it was actually in snarf-only mode when it fell down
mod6: ah. well it got bored maybe.
mod6: im getting closer to my v0.5.3.1-RELEASE perf full bc sync baseline being finished; currently on block 304969 -- it did oomkill today though, and didn't see it for like 8-9 hours :/
mod6: there will be some flat lines in the charts, but should still be able to get some sort of picture showing us the diff in network traf & other utilization metrics.
mod6: After this one is done, I was going to run a vanilla v0.5.3 to get a baseline from that as well. And I will do that, but did remember that it /does/ at least require the db patch to achieve full sync.
mircea_popescu: i dsunno, tis being looked into
decimation: asciilifeform: I couldn't find any of your fanless thin clients on ebay
decimation: ebay's selection of old electronics seems to thin daily
mod6: Then I can compare and contrast and work with ben on a writeup for qntra
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mircea_popescu: prety cool mod6
mod6: thx. :]
mod6: ``That's one small step for man, one giant leap for every, complaining, son of a bitch on the face of the Earth.'' << lol!
mod6: they have McBucks now 'eh? During february, clown-burger up here actually let you pay in ``hugs''.
mircea_popescu: "In 2010, Poole was reported to have raised $625,000 to create a new online enterprise, Canvas. The web site opened on January 31, 2011, and features digitally modified images uploaded by users who are required to self-identify using Facebook Connect. In January 2014, Poole announced that Canvas, and its DrawQuest feature, would be going out of business."
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mod6: Speaking of Blazing Saddles... that movie is so damn funny. I must have watched it 20x as a kid. But what's interesting was recently I heard/read about these "Animal Trials" in Europe during the middle-ages. Makes me think of that part where they're hanging that guy AND his horse. lol
trinque: I'm a huge Mel Brooks fan, was pleased to see him come up on Trilema
mod6: yeah same :]
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adlai: nick said...
adlai: I miswrote: All this is more wasteful than gold mining.
adlai: Ha ha! That was supposed to read "no more wasteful than gold mining."
Namworld: [20:19] <+mircea_popescu> https://media.8ch.net/btc/src/1431734890584.jpg << is this the Namworld household ?
Namworld: That's too much cats. One is enough for me.
Namworld: I'd probably wouldn't keep a computer open like that or let kittens in it...
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