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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: kal-007 << 100% sop today, ua being example, yes
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this comparison was widely made in ru sphere
asciilifeform: it even has english name - 'meaconing'
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assbot: I think you drastically overestimate the military importance of nuclear weapons. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1cGIr39 )
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-05-2015#1127543 << we did the tile here, iirc. my argument that they will never repay the cost of their manufacture seems ever closer to utter certainty
assbot: Logged on 10-05-2015 23:16:02; mircea_popescu: toaster is kinda dumb, but ceramic tiles for warm floor is worth doing.
asciilifeform: one can debate the solar panels - but this seems like a hands-down defeat.
asciilifeform: esp. if they were to become at all common and shoot the difficulty into outer space
asciilifeform: (solar panels, in contrast, at least do not suffer from the problem of becoming proportionately more useless with each one made)
asciilifeform: re: nuke thread: decimation has it. nobody (save possibly pakistan) fields pure fission warheads today. not even for the tiny 'dial-a-yield' things fashionable in usa & ru. too 'dirty' and not considerably cheaper than 2-stage affair
decimation: yeah some deuterium spices up the party
asciilifeform: tritium
asciilifeform: (depending on your cycle, sure)
decimation: at any rate, as I wrote later, it seems that the actual amount of U in the ground isn't really fully known
asciilifeform: the interesting thing is, as i pointed out in link, 1) kinetics (how quickly energy is delivered) matter far more than thermodynamics (how much is delivered)
decimation: yeah, 8 mm of water vaporization would zing if delivered in a few microseconds
asciilifeform: 2) not only flesh but infrastructure - are fragile. 'tsar bomba' knocked out power lines for many km despite being tested far from civilization (emp by zipping charged particles through van allen belt, a well-understood effect.) picture just one of these over, e.g., new york
asciilifeform: put it this way, falling on ice onto one's arse delivers more kinetic energy than any bullet
asciilifeform: which one would you rather take
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mircea_popescu: !up rotarydialer
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there is no discussion about the difficulty going to outer space.
mircea_popescu: about as avoidable as farts.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform answer't.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: this comparison was widely made in ru sphere << to my [dis]credit, i just came up wiuth it on my own. i guess i should read more.
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mircea_popescu: and speaking of ukraine weird, am i the only one to think Ю́щенко's disappearing act from ukrainian politics is weird ? the guy was strong enough to be worth poisoning a decade ago, gets 1% in 2012 ?
mircea_popescu: not to mention the woman, w/e her name was
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cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-05-2015#1127582 <<< pretty sure that's bait so he can turn around and say see, people troll me regardless of what i say therefore my 20mb blocksize limit argument has merit
assbot: Logged on 11-05-2015 02:21:20; williamdunne: Gavin is now also advocating for 1 minute blocks
mircea_popescu: cazalla it'd work a lot better if anyone gave a shit what he says.
cazalla: and anyway, even if he made a good argument for an increase in the blocksize, his current proposition differs to the incremental increase he suggested only a few months back, can't respect a guy that secede his position so quickly regardless of merit
mircea_popescu: i think he went from salesman trying to impress & get a raise to salesman desperate to avoid the glengarry prize for third place.
cazalla: heh
assbot: FOAR GURLS FRUM BOXXY - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1FZ4ixT )
davout: cazalla: i can't help to think that if the guy's really compromised than he probably feels pretty good about the way his proposals are going
davout: i mean, if he's compromised and is actually against raising the limit, he has to be happy about it not going too well, right
mircea_popescu: you're not about to introduce your own rendition of the meta-nsa theme are you.
cazalla: mircea_popescu, linking new boxxy is like 20mb block size limit whereas old boxxy.. pre-famous boxxy are 1mb sizes, l2p
mircea_popescu: right, clearly.
davout: is that so stupid? not sure if sarcasm
mircea_popescu: cazalla honestly i like the new boxxy much better. shit she's saying is of course a lot dumber than before, but at least now it's banal too. easier to ignore.
mircea_popescu: davout it's not stupid per se. it's boundless.
mircea_popescu: you know, maybe the shrimp i had earlier and am now digesting REALLY MEANT to be eaten. it was its plan all along. i fell into its well laid out trap!
davout: who's to know
cazalla: mircea_popescu, but the new ones reak of how can i leverage my succesful random videos with new, non-random random videos with adsense
mircea_popescu: davout more importantly, who's to care.
mircea_popescu: maybe hitler's plan was to lose the war, kill himself, and have his idiocy remade by the winners.
mircea_popescu: if it was, he totally won that bet.
mircea_popescu: cazalla yep.
cazalla: i'd even wager her come back video has some ad agency or fucking youtube studio involved
cazalla: had even
davout: yea no argument here
mircea_popescu: in other words : the space of possibilities is necessarily and by definition very vast and entirely open. this however does not make it automatically also interesting.
mircea_popescu: "why did you hit this man in the head ?" "i thought maybe it'd do him good" "why ?" "dunno" judge thinks it through "alright, case dismissed. maybe it does do him good."
cazalla: davout, i think he is more likely to be trolling than a canary as you said on /r/bitcoin.. the guy has had his childish tantrums on bitcointalk before in 40pt font
mircea_popescu: hard to bead diablo-d3 at that.
mircea_popescu: anyone else remember his "THE BITCOIN COMMUNITY ~must~ give me 1mn BTC to do stuff I came up with because that's the only way IT'll matter!11", or am i the only one ?
mircea_popescu: then people lol'd and he went apeshit.
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mircea_popescu: i guess it's only me. a well, was lulzy.
davout: mircea_popescu: lol when was that?
davout: cute!
assbot: Diablo Mining Company ... ( http://bit.ly/1FZ5cud )
assbot: Shadow Centurion's Sex Slave Emporium ... ( http://bit.ly/1FZ5gKv )
davout: mircea_popescu: ah, i misread, thought the 1mn thing was about gavin
cazalla: cutie? i see no face in that gif, could be butter for all i know
mircea_popescu: butter ?!
cazalla: u know, butterface, all those gifs and no face, odds are good you'll be paperbagging that cutue
mircea_popescu: ;;ud butterface
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=butter+face | n. A girl who is hot, except for her (but her, butter) face.
mircea_popescu: the shit i learn hanging out here.
cazalla: mebe it's aussie slang, i unno
assbot: Butterface Girls - Gallery ... ( http://bit.ly/1FZ5CAT )
mircea_popescu: i had noticed before how extremely rare it is for a great ass to find itself on a pretty face.
mircea_popescu: but tits, i think, more commonly.
cazalla: which do you prefer, great ass or tits
davout: cazalla: which do you prefer? bumping blocks to 20mb, or shrinking them to 100kb?
davout: :D
cazalla: davout, well my missus has one of thise 20mb fat asses
cazalla: (not that i really give a shit these days)
davout: heh
cazalla: and to think how bad i was jonesing to hit that lol
davout: ;;ud jonesing
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=jonesing | Sheeeit beeeitch after smokin' dat weed I'm jonesing for some grub! Shaniqua is mad jonesing for Rasheed, dat bitch follow him around everywhere. by Nick D ...
davout: lol
cazalla: https://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1411/84/1411847912290.jpg while browsing, not related to my bitching of the missus
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punkman: Obaca, my sides
davout: cazalla: topkek
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mircea_popescu: 4plebs lol
mircea_popescu: cazalla anyway, great ass. tits easier to fix.
mircea_popescu: is that jpg proposing the derpy chicks above are somehow dangerous ?
mircea_popescu: to what, fudge ?
cazalla: i guess more so danger, they have issues but whatever i liked it so whatevers i link what i want
cazalla: drinking some cheap shitty cherry brandy amyways
mircea_popescu: you know you could distil your own rabbits!
mircea_popescu: i wonder what rabbitrandy tastes like
cazalla: don't have em, not for a while, fucked em off given the situation here
cazalla: meh what can i say, made my own bed
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assbot: Bucharest Warriors înving categoric Mureș Monsters | First Down | Fotbal american în România ... ( http://bit.ly/1EvQbL4 )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48348 @ 0.00024471 = 11.8312 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/34zini/some_say_gavin_can_kill_1000_trolls_in_a_single/ << check out the post-structuralist world. idiots on either side of an imaginary divide discover that well... they're really just idiots, the divide was imaginary, stuff like that.
assbot: Some say Gavin can kill 1000 trolls in a single swing : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1zVys4b )
assbot: World's longest tongue can lick Adrianne Lewis' nose, chin and EYE | Daily Mail Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1zVzrkX )
mircea_popescu: easier with two girls
cazalla: i dunno, sorta like micropenis guy claiming 4-5 of his would be just as good if not better than a 10" eh? :P
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assbot: Autistic boy hanged himself after receiving bogus 'police' email - Telegraph ... ( http://bit.ly/1H9qGmZ )
cazalla: i could really go for some of that chicken right now
assbot: Satoshi dress-up impersonator Gavin Andresen, has given up promoting larger block sizes. : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1H9s6h6 )
mircea_popescu: "Most news sites you see on the internet are just one guy writing under multiple names. Writers are expensive. This wouldn't be the first site that does that nor would it even be unusual.
mircea_popescu: pround member of the "things the voices in my head tell me are real" internet liberation party
davout: cazalla: "but at this time that inbox is empty" <<< can you read it?
cazalla: davout, mailinator is one of those disposable email services that anyone can check if you give out the username
davout: ic, and the username is the email username i take
davout: weird they'd pick that
cazalla: yup, so if you don't want to have spam sent to your inbox or want an address that is shared, it's useful for that
davout: jon matonis on the qntra itbit piece "Market-based legitimacy will always trump any flavor of institutional or political legitimacy. Bitcoin outlives political institutions."
davout: quite ironic he'd speak about "institutional legitimacy"
cazalla: davout, dunno what to make of it, he retweets a lot of qntra stuff despite his bitcoin foundation history
cazalla: to borrow a line.. in other news, 75% of these women on MFC are fucking useless camwhores
cazalla: if i was a chick, i'd be top 5 mfc easy
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assbot: Is bitcoin vulnerable to a "financial attack" like the one the gold market suffered? : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1H9tL6h )
cazalla: https://grrrgraphics.wordpress.com/2015/05/08/cuck-a-duck-by-ben-garrison/ lulz ben garrison strikes back against moot even though moot didn't face his drawings but anyway
assbot: Cuck a Duck by Ben Garrison | GrrrGraphics ... ( http://bit.ly/1H9tK2i )
mircea_popescu: [–]Future_Prophecy 0 points 7 hours ago
assbot: Let's pretend... on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1H9tK2o )
mircea_popescu: permalink
mircea_popescu: [–]bitcoinquestions001 0 points 7 hours ago
mircea_popescu: Came to post this link, but you beat me to it. OP take the time to read this.
cazalla: the /r/bitcoin mods fkn banned me the cunts :\
cazalla: you can call people niggers but don't tell people to kill themselves
mircea_popescu: maybe they didn't like teh qntra.
cazalla: nah, wasn't that
cazalla: i rarely submit qntra there anyway
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assbot: I'll pay for your tits on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1IwprQb )
assbot: merzy caballero (@cutiemerz27) | Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1Iwpyvd )
mircea_popescu: cazalla lol why so hostile anyway
cazalla: was prob drunk
mircea_popescu: lol and you found out a week later ?
cazalla: no no, just mentioning it now
cazalla: not exactly news or bragworthy, like the 5th time i've been banned from /r/bitcoin
cazalla: just had a bit more time sunk into this account
cazalla: bit of a disgrace considering bruce fenton of the bitcoin foundation has change tipped fedora'd me a couple times
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assbot: Fuzzing Bitcoin Consensus - nickler's ... ( http://bit.ly/1PC7ss8 )
ben_vulpes: http://www.wsj.com/articles/chinas-smartphone-market-slows-down-1431296873 << modern manufacturing can crank out so many units as to completely overwhelm demand. this, i believe, is what's actually driving apple into the 'watch market', such as it is
assbot: China’s Smartphone Market Slows Down - WSJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1PC9UyS )
thestringpuller: i like how mpex is completely ignored in the GPG discussion. "Ignore the guys with the nukes and they'll just go away."
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williamdunne: thestringpuller: Not the first exchange to add PGP support
williamdunne: We were doing it and will continue to do it when we relaunch
williamdunne: IIRC Kraken does signing but not encryption
williamdunne: Would be tragic for the NSA to lose out on that valuable data
thestringpuller: MPEx was the first exchange to have GPG support...
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> this one's for BingoBoingo : http://firstdown.ro/stiri/diverse/bucharest-warriors-inving-categoric-mures-monsters/ << That's quite the one sided game. The write up of the handegg game as though it is a soccer game is an interesting cultural artifact. Also that quarterback with all the touchdown passes seems to have an awfully generic name...
assbot: Bucharest Warriors înving categoric Mureș Monsters | First Down | Fotbal american în România ... ( http://bit.ly/1zT5rWB )
williamdunne: thestringpuller: I know, although its not really used much by the people in question
williamdunne: thestringpuller: It also has the most thorough implementation
danielpbarron: !up bitcoinquestions
bitcoinquestions: Came to post this link, but you beat me to it. OP take the time to read this. Derp. << Do you feel the comment is pointless because OP is likely a bot etc.? Or do you feel the article is irrelevant to the matter at hand?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60000 @ 0.00026534 = 15.9204 BTC [+] {2}
danielpbarron: bitcoinquestions, to which link are you referring?
assbot: Let's pretend... on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1zT7RV7 )
assbot: Is bitcoin vulnerable to a "financial attack" like the one the gold market suffered? : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1zT7XMm )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52203 @ 0.00026561 = 13.8656 BTC [+] {2}
danielpbarron: "But what if one of these government backed exchanges start working with a huge leverage using fiat as its backing and not bitcoins?" << start? isn't that the SOP?
assbot: All-Russian 'Elbrus' PCs and servers go on sale • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1KB6Txg )
pete_dushenski: "The Elbrus 4c used in the PCs and servers is said to support two instruction sets: very long instruction word and SPARC."
pete_dushenski: "The Elbrus ARM-401 PC is a minitower packing a version of Linux also called Elbrus and boasts four USB 2.0 ports, a PCI-express slot, gigabit ethernet and not much more."
pete_dushenski: "The CPU is otherwise unremarkable: it packs four cores, but they stroll along at 800 MHz and are built using a 65 nm process."
pete_dushenski: "The Server Elbrus 4.4 is a four-socket affair and four of the machines fit into a 1U chassis. Gigabit ethernet, SATA and plenty of PCI slots connect it to other kit and the rest of the worlds."
pete_dushenski: !s elbrus
assbot: 13 results for 'elbrus' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=elbrus
williamdunne: thestringpuller: PGP over HTTP is not necessary when using SSL (HTTPS). Signing and encrypting with PGP is a nice way to bypass using authorization tokens, though, but it is not usable in a modern exchange interface. Trades on MPEx are very slow as a result.
williamdunne: MPEx did pioneer many things in Bitcoin derivatives and they deserve credit for that. However, I find it unlikely that an exchange with such a high up-front fee just to participate will ever find mainstream acceptance.
williamdunne: You got your response
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell danielpbarron cheers!
gribble: The operation succeeded.
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danielpbarron: mainstream acceptance is not desirable
danielpbarron: such a thing may be what caused the great depression
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15716 @ 0.00026768 = 4.2069 BTC [+]
danielpbarron: letting anybody with 2 cents to rub together trade on margin
danielpbarron: williamdunne, ^, ssl is a suitable alternative for GPG !?
williamdunne: Apparently so! I never knew!
danielpbarron: oh that was a copy paste?
williamdunne: > However, I find it unlikely that an exchange with such a high up-front fee just to participate will ever find mainstream acceptance.
williamdunne: That assumes mainstream acceptance is the goal.
williamdunne: >PGP over HTTP is not necessary when using SSL (HTTPS).
williamdunne: That depends on the function you are going for. SSL doesn't serve as a way to verify each party and obviously has some contentious things going on with cert authorities.
williamdunne: There are ways of doing similar things in a usable and optional fashion.
pete_dushenski: danielpbarron: i dun think williamdunne wrote that..
mike_c: you should put quotes around stupid crap like that
danielpbarron: lol sorry
williamdunne: Yeah, that was the CTO of BitMex
pete_dushenski: mike_c: good point.
pete_dushenski: williamdunne: you wanna invite him over ?
williamdunne: Yeah I'll do that
williamdunne: Invited
danielpbarron: !up ascii_field
assbot: Logged on 11-05-2015 16:56:47; pete_dushenski: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/05/11/allrussian_elbrus_pcs_and_servers_go_on_sale/ << it's a great day for alf!
pete_dushenski: ... can it be ?
ascii_field: eh no distributor afaik
pete_dushenski: no factory direct ?
ascii_field: just an email addr
ascii_field: 'inquiries'
pete_dushenski: what the hell are airplanes for ?
ascii_field: in other, more interesting news,
assbot: all - Jiffier gifs through HTML5 Video Conversion. ... ( http://bit.ly/1zTdDWP )
ascii_field: mircea_popescu ^^
ascii_field: mega-sport
williamdunne: They really do have some creative shows..
ascii_field: pretty clear from the www that they aren't selling onceies
williamdunne: 65 nm - thats BFL standards
pete_dushenski: hm. so groupbuy it is.
williamdunne: Are we gonna be able to get maybe 10k units between us?
williamdunne: Bitcoin-ISP growing faster than expected
ascii_field: williamdunne: if you exclude mircea_popescu, i doubt we can get 10,000 plastic forks between the lot of us
pete_dushenski: except excluding mp from this consideration is like excluding air from discussions of breathing.
pete_dushenski: to what end do you make this exclusion ?
ascii_field: to the end that thread re: whether 'we' will buy something is really a thread about whether mircea_popescu might buy something, and ought to be labeled correctly
ascii_field: but to go to original point, there is nothing magical about ru cpu (esp. a sparc clone, almost certainly built from 'opensparc')
pete_dushenski: 'groupbuy' implies nothing about proportions.
pete_dushenski: so it's 95-5
pete_dushenski: but yes, is this elbrus isn't sufficiently magical, then it makes as much sense as buying 10,000 apple watches
ascii_field: more like 10,000 'loongson's.
ascii_field: from spec sheet: 800MHz sparc-like; sata-2; 12 ddr3 ecc dimm slots; various standard i/o (e.g., pci-e, GbE;) and, most interestingly, built-in fpga for 2d interconnect into clusters by directly linking bus (202 G/s claimed.)
ascii_field: so far reminiscent of sgi 'origin'
pete_dushenski: 'there's nothing new under the sun'
ascii_field: beg to differ.
ascii_field: but 'nothing new sold retail' - sure
pete_dushenski: ok, so is similarity to 'origin' a positive step or a mark of failure ?
pete_dushenski: (for those of us who have nfi)
ascii_field: positive
ascii_field: one of the things glaringly missing from even the costliest x86 mb is a means for connecting them as tiles
ascii_field: at full bus speed
pete_dushenski: interesting.
ascii_field: though, pictured unit is a much more modest demo, it appears
ascii_field: rather than the quad cpu rack mount thing from earlier link
ascii_field: offered to 'russian incorporated entities only'
pete_dushenski: was in article as well.
pete_dushenski: it's surely doable to incorporate in russia
pete_dushenski: if the juice is worth the squeeze
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: iirc you gotta have a physical agent there.
ascii_field: (and do at least a convincing simulacrum of legit business)
pete_dushenski: ok so not exactly wrapped in an amazon box and shipped to your door
ascii_field: at any rate, for what it is - 4k usd is not an obscene bag of benjies; but i have doubts that you can get these 1) in onecies 2) for anywhere close to the manufacturer's retail cost
pete_dushenski: but hey, if this things are cool enough, they're not exactly 'unobtanium'
ascii_field: 3) any time soon.
pete_dushenski: *these things
ascii_field: first one here to grab one, please write in.
pete_dushenski: ascii_field: doubts shmouts
pete_dushenski: this seems like a worthy project
pete_dushenski: for all the bitching about usg chip diddling in this place
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: mebbe you can trade that astonmartin for an 'elbrus'
pete_dushenski: it's a mercedes !
pete_dushenski: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: danke pete_dushenski
pete_dushenski: bitte :)
ascii_field: elbrus for many decades (yes) had reputation not entirely unlike 'butterfly labs' or what was it.
ascii_field: since soviet times, even
pete_dushenski: 'pay now, mebbe ship later'
williamdunne: At least its marginally less important when the kit arrives in some circumstances than with bitcoin mining
pete_dushenski: typical crowdfund dealio apparently wasn't invented for crowdfunding. who knew.
pete_dushenski: is there nothing those crowdfundtards won't steal!
ascii_field: at any rate, the reason to hold off creaming your pants on this occasion, is that 1) it's yet another von neumann turd 2) enjoy trading usg boobytraps for ru variant
pete_dushenski is reminded of recent commenter who was all "crowdfund your bitcoin nodes if they're too expensive"
williamdunne: 3) With considerable performance losses
williamdunne: 4) At greater cost per computational unit
ascii_field: from standpoint of boobytraps, an example of 'worth writing home about' would be a machine 1) with pedantically open spec, to transistor level 2) with provisions for tandemming with implementations of same by other, foreign makers
williamdunne: 5) With far less support in terms of software you may need to run
ascii_field: williamdunne: lack of support for winblows is a feature, not bug
williamdunne: I never mentioned windows
ascii_field: (and there is claimed x86 dynamic translation, a la apple ppc. so it may yet turn out that most 'elbrus' will end up running winblowsxp...)
ascii_field: williamdunne: what did you have in mind ?
williamdunne: Admittedly it was a while ago, but I can remember getting most things to run on an RPI-like was an absolute bitch
ascii_field: williamdunne: rpi in particular was a miserably underpowered (nic shared usb line with drives) thing
ascii_field: or do you consider any box where you can't suck down prebuilt packages from the net, to be 'a bitch to run'
williamdunne: Mmm the second thing a bit. Prebuilt certainly makes mundane tasks that should be easy, easy
trinque: nothing that hard about cross compiling to arm
ascii_field: or compiling on arm
ascii_field: (the only reason we don't build bitcoind on pogo is the ram-poverty)
williamdunne: Nothing that hard, but often its ignored by developers
ascii_field: as far as i'm concerned, if it won't compile on my box, for my box, it doesn't exist
mircea_popescu: you're not the only one.
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jurov is curious for how many people will eulora exist then
jurov: there's this big hairy crystalspace dependency that apparently calls ssh from configure
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33332 @ 0.00025338 = 8.4457 BTC [-]
jurov: yes. ask ben_vulpes or mod6
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mod6: yeah, I don't remember having that problem before with CS... but maybe i'd forgotten?!
danielpbarron: !up ericmuys_
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davout: !up ascii_field
davout: !up ascii_field
davout: williamdunne: you scared me with that SSL shit
mats: fun fact: you can use scrypt to attempt remote code integrity attestation on microprocessors.
jurov: what is "emote code integrity attestation"?
mats: (as long as you fill unused flash with high entropy NOPs that eventually jump to a fault handler, and do attestation via reset to a minimal bootloader that can use all memory)
jurov: mats: i still don't understand you
mircea_popescu: <jurov> there's this big hairy crystalspace dependency that apparently calls ssh from configure << ahaha wut!
mircea_popescu: trinque isn't it great that now you can :D
trinque: yeah that selection script is sweet
mircea_popescu: mats yep, part oif why the entire "attestation" bs is so lulzy.
davout: is it supposed to work on trilema? as in, i select arbitrary text and i'l given a URL reference?
mats: jurov: p much what it sounds like: generating a proof of certain properties re: integrity, e.g. configuration and state of hardware/sw stack
mats: jurov: usual approach is through hashing regions of memory for comparison
mircea_popescu: davout yup. requires js, but it's pretty solid. try itr.
davout: i tried, didn't werk
davout: hence confusion
mircea_popescu: well, what error does the console pop ?
davout: none
davout: maybe i need to flush cache
mircea_popescu: do you run js at all ?
davout: i use an apple computer
davout: that says it all
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-05-2015#1128111 << ancient drm wankatron where lusers are somehow coerced into 'proving' that they run virginal winblows which will obey usg dictat
assbot: Logged on 11-05-2015 18:24:33; jurov: what is "emote code integrity attestation"?
mircea_popescu: davout safari ? or what does it use for a browsder ?
davout: i must be misunderstanding something here, i tried in safari, ff, and chrome
mircea_popescu: ugh. so what happens if you follow trinque's link ?
ascii_field: essentially a byword for 'let's find a way to enforce ban on general-purpose computer'
davout: open an article randomly, select random bit of the article, nothing happens
davout: ooh
davout: i get it
davout: the URL changes
davout: i kindof expected a little pop-up like on the btc-dev mailing list
mircea_popescu: lol mkay. what did you expect, a bj ?
mircea_popescu: what am i, retarded ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37900 @ 0.00025572 = 9.6918 BTC [+] {2}
mats: fun fact: passive radar using 802.11 points and such is a thing.
mircea_popescu: anyway, if there are any javascript experts in the room, you, trinque, whoever : currently it pisses me off because if you click on page it scrolls you to top. any idea how to fix it so it ignores clicks ? just, never scroll as a result of a click.
ascii_field: mats: not only a thing, but effectively defeats famous 'stealth airplane'
mats: how so?
mircea_popescu: ascii_field wut, it connects to wireless ?
mircea_popescu: wifi raiding bomber ?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-05-2015#1127936 more like, "we'll make our own theatre here in akron, ohio. what schubert in new haven ? what square mile ? broadway ? nah dude. ohio teatre."
assbot: Logged on 11-05-2015 16:06:41; thestringpuller: i like how mpex is completely ignored in the GPG discussion. "Ignore the guys with the nukes and they'll just go away."
mircea_popescu: "those guys are the top just because they're priviledged, we can be just as good as them, even better. because we want to, that's why!"
jurov: stealth bomber does reflect microwaves
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51100 @ 0.00025925 = 13.2477 BTC [+] {2}
danielpbarron: !up soypirate
mats: fun fact: since OLPC machines use IEEE1275, they all have a Forth implementation baked into the firmware.
mircea_popescu: jurov it never flies that low does it ?
assbot: Fuzzing Bitcoin Consensus - nickler's ... ( http://bit.ly/1G0l9R0 )
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: yes, saw
ascii_field: let the golang folks be proud of their flagship, l0l
jurov: well, serbians did use passive radar to shoot one down. and then 2.4ghz sources were far not so plentiful
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: wut, it connects to wireless << it casts a shadow in microwave spectrum
mircea_popescu: jurov serbians shot down a stealth plane ?
jurov: yea, there's a piece exhibited in belgrade
mircea_popescu: i didn't know they had rockets fast enough even. wtf is this.
mircea_popescu: hey check it out, 1999 F-117A shootdown. is a thing.
mircea_popescu: with a goa lol.
mircea_popescu: those things are as big as the damned f117
mircea_popescu: "In addition, the Serbs had also intercepted and deciphered some NATO communications" AAAAhahahahaha
mircea_popescu: bwahahaha o god have mercy.
jurov: it isn't so inconceivable to point an antenna to sky and scan for reflected 2.4ghz sources
ascii_field floored that mircea_popescu had not heard of the mega-airplane
ascii_field: it even sits in a museum, one can visit it
ascii_field: (what's left of it)
mircea_popescu: ascii_field i'm only very marginally interested in this sort of wankery tbh.
ascii_field: there is a (plausible) legend that the strike on the cn embassy was deliberate - as it was where the carcass was hidden
mircea_popescu: ah, where are the rambunctious years of the serbian "pace" mission.
mircea_popescu: imagine, the us daring to hit a cn embassy today :D
mircea_popescu: how much has changed, how the mighty have fallen, etc.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-05-2015#1127940 << as in, customer can opt to have no communication with exchange outside of pgp ?
assbot: Logged on 11-05-2015 16:26:55; williamdunne: We were doing it and will continue to do it when we relaunch
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-05-2015#1127949 << i feel the comments are the only good stuff on that reddit piece, which is amusing seeing how they both got 0 votes.
assbot: Logged on 11-05-2015 16:39:56; bitcoinquestions: Came to post this link, but you beat me to it. OP take the time to read this. Derp. << Do you feel the comment is pointless because OP is likely a bot etc.? Or do you feel the article is irrelevant to the matter at hand?
mircea_popescu: the derp was @reddit not at teh comments themselves.
mircea_popescu: and why is bitcoinquestions ?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-05-2015#1127967 << what are you, nuts ? no exchange with a lower fee EVER, in the entire history of finance, gained mainstream acceptance.
assbot: Logged on 11-05-2015 16:58:26; williamdunne: MPEx did pioneer many things in Bitcoin derivatives and they deserve credit for that. However, I find it unlikely that an exchange with such a high up-front fee just to participate will ever find mainstream acceptance.
mircea_popescu: how much do you think nyse costs ?
mircea_popescu: yes, they used to be more expensive, and have been alligning to the mpex price over the years. nevertheless...
mircea_popescu: im not going to even go into the whole pki nonsense, too lazy atm.
davout: he was quoting apparently
davout: (the pki stuff)
mircea_popescu: well use quotes lol.
mircea_popescu: i was thinking hm, williamdunne ran an exchange ?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-05-2015#1128006 << that gyfcat thing is old, one of the sluts was using it to greatly impress.
assbot: Logged on 11-05-2015 17:10:43; ascii_field: mircea_popescu ^^
assbot: [MPEX] [S.QNTR] 2850 @ 0.00035271 = 1.0052 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ahaha lol.
mircea_popescu: i thought you meant the site. gotta love those girls, great sports.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field wait, so you're not gonna write an inquiry to the elbrus folks ?
mircea_popescu: you know i *am* willing to buy one, host it in the ukr lands closeby, and so on.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-05-2015#1128018 << says the guy who bought & brought an entire fucking case of pogos, lol.
assbot: Logged on 11-05-2015 17:18:59; ascii_field: to the end that thread re: whether 'we' will buy something is really a thread about whether mircea_popescu might buy something, and ought to be labeled correctly
mircea_popescu: !up ascii_field
pete_dushenski: but but but pogos are cheap and shipped to door!
ascii_field: ty mircea_popescu. and pete_dushenski has it - those were lunch money, yes
pete_dushenski: which.... is considerable
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: buy elbrus ... << ru corps only is the advertised offer
mircea_popescu: well wtf is a server supposed to cost, 20k ?
ascii_field: elbrus advertised retail is ~4kusd
mircea_popescu: ascii_field i can bitch at someone there to buy it, i imagine. prolly so can you
mircea_popescu: ahaha wut ? why ?
ascii_field: ask'em why
ascii_field: probably answer is 'not made in cn, therefore add a zero to cost'
mircea_popescu: so basically they can only sell to rug.
pete_dushenski: and $4k is for mini tower, not server, neh ?
ascii_field: 1xcpu, 4core
mircea_popescu: there is some residual interest in exploring this thing, because it will definitely become the standard in ru bureaucracy, and knowing its holes will allow us to complete our collection of michelle obama cockinmouth.jpg with all the random hos putin manhandles.
ascii_field: basically demo unit
mircea_popescu: but i suspect too early yet
ascii_field: i'd buy in a hearbeat if had any lead on where.
ascii_field: for approx. same reason as mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: ascii_field they're prolly looking atm.
mircea_popescu: give it a coupla years, they won't even be able to fix anything anymore because of deployment
mircea_popescu: you use a 0day now, you burn it.
mircea_popescu: even testing for one might burn undiscovered ones.
ascii_field: by the time we find it, it's ripe
ascii_field: but i see a number of oddities right off the bat
ascii_field: e.g., they appear to use foreign nic
mircea_popescu: maybe just for the demo units
ascii_field: and implication from brochure is that there is no native linux port, but uses x86 translatron
mircea_popescu: ahaha wtf
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: nah advertised for both
ascii_field: (on vendor's site, specs)
ascii_field: so from what i can see, 1) they cut every possible corner 2) rolled in x86 because unspoken 'winblows 4ever'
ascii_field: and 3) no public docs whatsoever. i looked.
mircea_popescu: i don't get why they'd make a x86 sparc.
ascii_field: 'hybrid of bulldog and rhinoceros'
ascii_field: they did it for same reason dec included x86 translator with alpha
ascii_field: -- because microshit
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-05-2015#1128065 << then again that's how the russians sold cars, too.
assbot: Logged on 11-05-2015 17:39:43; pete_dushenski: 'pay now, mebbe ship later'
pete_dushenski: 7 years later... it shows up.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-05-2015#1128070 << this is much more valuable than it looks. run them in tandem.
assbot: Logged on 11-05-2015 17:41:02; ascii_field: at any rate, the reason to hold off creaming your pants on this occasion, is that 1) it's yet another von neumann turd 2) enjoy trading usg boobytraps for ru variant
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: see rest of thread
mircea_popescu: independence is built EXACTLY out of having access to all the flavours of idiocy
mircea_popescu: that's why trade centers get fat.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-05-2015#1128074 << transistor spec that fits in head, hopefully ?
assbot: Logged on 11-05-2015 17:41:50; ascii_field: from standpoint of boobytraps, an example of 'worth writing home about' would be a machine 1) with pedantically open spec, to transistor level 2) with provisions for tandemming with implementations of same by other, foreign makers
ascii_field: not so hard.
mircea_popescu: (this is not as lulzy as it sounds. there MUST be a fractal pattern somewhere that also makes a machine)
mircea_popescu: anyway, you KNOW most elbrus will be running excel in govt offices. so yes.
mats: fun fact: SQLite compiles queries to a non-trivial VM https://www.sqlite.org/opcode.html
assbot: SQLite Virtual Machine Opcodes ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hd820l )
ascii_field: machine that is -intended- for tandem operation in single yoke with identical units made by foreign skeptics operating from docs - must be purpose-designed.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> i don't get why they'd make a x86 sparc. << this is scary. i'd think you'd lose all ops/clock-cycle optimizations doing some translation between the two right?
mircea_popescu: it's so stupid it can not be expressed in other words. "x86 sparc"
thestringpuller: williamdunne: seems like d00d thinks GPG is a toy or marketing ploy.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field success comes from a very patent absence of intent.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> it's so stupid it can not be expressed in other words. "x86 sparc" << lol
mircea_popescu: intent being the general mark of impending failure.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: tandeming without a single point of failure - 'trusted' vote counter, etc. -- requires something like 'millionaire protocol' and purpose-designed iron.
ascii_field: just the way it works.
mircea_popescu: orly ? so how do the bitcoin nodes tandem ?
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: poorly. see sync protocol for instance.
mircea_popescu: clearly the largest use of tandem computing in the history of humanity, by any measure, by a very fat margin.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field fuzzily, is the point.
ascii_field: to take extant bitcoind as gold standard for anything whatsoever - is lunacy
ascii_field: it is only standing because no one is pushing.
mircea_popescu: you don't want the hard sort of thing you're thinking about. you just want an impredictable sort of tandem.
mircea_popescu: o, they be pushing.
ascii_field: pushing with strength of a child.
mircea_popescu: bitcoin is the gold standard for everything else. that's actually what the word bitcoin means.
mircea_popescu: "gold standard for everything else"
mircea_popescu: ascii_field the only reason you're not walking through walls is also, that you're pushing with the strength of a child.
mircea_popescu: and not even a female child at that. katrina did way better than you.
mircea_popescu: two week old!!1
ascii_field: the proverbial wall-drilling blades of grass, aha
ascii_field: <mircea_popescu> bitcoin is the gold standard for everything else. that's actually what the word bitcoin means << then very clearly we don't have bitcoin yet
ascii_field: it still must be built.
mircea_popescu: shut up and eat your beans.
jurov: "x86 sparc" ofc this was tried. cue "transmeta crusoe"
ascii_field remembers the astonishing - even for that era - hype around 'transmeta'
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mircea_popescu: For checking if a string is empty, null or undefined I use: return (!str || 0 === str.length); For checking if a string is blank, null or undefined I use: return (!str || /^\s*$/.test(str)); For checking if a string is blank or contains only white-space: return (this.length === 0 || !this.trim());
mircea_popescu: dude this javascript thing...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29100 @ 0.00026075 = 7.5878 BTC [+]
jurov: sooo, russia and china put export embargo to their crown jewels.
ascii_field: jurov: as far as i can tell, not so much embargo as 'not enough to go around, so members-only'
trinque: mircea_popescu: JS... only winning move...
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ascii_field: ^ contains some tidbits not found elsewhere
ascii_field: poor schmucks are almost certainly running 'systemd' from the looks of that demo screen
trinque: DA TOUCHSCREEN UBUNTU KOMRADE, PRIDE OF SOVIET UNION
trinque: !up ascii_field
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92800 @ 0.00026215 = 24.3275 BTC [+] {4}
mircea_popescu: fuck, i finally fixed it.
mircea_popescu: if (newhash.length > 0) location.hash = newhash;
mircea_popescu: i'm a javascript coder now!
trinque: mircea_popescu: you can just use shitty javascript truthiness for that
trinque: if(newhash)
mircea_popescu: trinque well, took a while to figure out wtf actually needs testing in those two pages of blerg
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40572 @ 0.00026388 = 10.7061 BTC [+] {2}
trinque: unless newhash = undefined is meaningful to it
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, the dumbass page jumping when click behavuoyur has been fixed
trinque: of course you've got null too
trinque: gotta have both null and undefined
mircea_popescu: and 0 and "" ?
mircea_popescu: that's what i like about "typed" languages, you know ? if (i = "" or i =="" or i === "" or i = 0 or i == 0 or i === 0 or i &= null or i ^= undefined) fuck your mother.
mircea_popescu: (obv null and undefined each get their own special equalities)
ascii_field: js is one of the great crimes of the '90s 'digerati'
mircea_popescu: it's just elbrus for the rest of us.
trinque: undefined in js means the property or varname hasn't been given a value, whereas null is a value meaning... no value
trinque: no need for two, it's not as though it uses that distinction for any benefit
mircea_popescu: trinque i imagine ti must be useful when you're trying to exploit overflows.
trinque: heh, JS's whole design philosophy being "create as much attack surface as possible"
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mircea_popescu: bwahaha wtf. dipl eng (electronics) ? orly ?
ascii_field: wai wat
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ascii_field: l0l au version of 'sealand' ?
ascii_field: interestingly,
ascii_field: http://www.principality-hutt-river.org/gov/PHR_Govt_Notice_of_False_Misleading_&_Fraudulent_Representation.htm << this kind of thing is a major problem for 'micronation' derps. but for some reason not one has, afaik, ever contemplated pgp.
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ascii_field: which is the one and only pill against.
mircea_popescu: you don't understand how the world works.
ascii_field: it 'works' by imbeciles shouting at one another, aha
ascii_field: or so we are to suppose
mircea_popescu: it works like so : the things people do shed no light on the things people can do. not anymore, at any rate.
mircea_popescu: just because some twerp is in the doctor's room at the hospital doth not mean he's a doctor.
mircea_popescu: guy in the oval office'd be best suited to carry heavy loads. stuff like that.
mircea_popescu: nobody goes "you know what ? maybe this shit's really supposed to be done by someone who, unlike me, is not actually an imbecile."
mircea_popescu: "why do you think you're an olympic athlete ?" "~~~BECAUSE~~~ I'm a quadriplegic. If I weren't, I wouldn't give a shit about the olympics, like everyone else."
ascii_field: i can't imagine too many folks would be the least bit interested in discovering what they are 'best suited for'
trinque: ah I dunno, depends when you ask them
mircea_popescu: trinque how you mean ?
mircea_popescu: ascii_field dude i must have missed some memos here. last i recall, that was pretty much the only point of interest. i blinked and now everyone seems to be running around trying to pretend like they can do things they most obviously can't.
mircea_popescu: it looks so badly like water poisoning you can't imagine.
mircea_popescu: "TLDR I ran afl-fuzz against libbitcoinconsensus to discover interesting Bitcoin scripts and used them to search for Bitcoin reimplementations vulnerable to forking. This discovered two bugs in btcd by Conformal. See the bitcoinconsensus_testcases repository for the discovered Bitcoin scripts."
ascii_field: wai wat
trinque: anyone remotely useful tends to actually enjoy the structure of being given a worthwhile task
mircea_popescu: contrary to what the guy claims, the bugs he found appear to be in the power rangers "consensus" library, not in conformals'.
trinque: even if it's just some physical, menial task
mircea_popescu: who was here from conformal, i forget ?
mircea_popescu: ascii_field which part ? trinque sure, yes. so then, depends who you ask ?
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: the part about 'that was pretty much the only point of interest'
mats: mircea_popescu: davec i believe
mircea_popescu: !up davec yo. about this jonas nick fellow ?
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: dhill as well iirc
mircea_popescu: ascii_field for as long as i can remember, the entire point, of school, and of intellectual activity of young people, was to find wtf they're good for.
trinque: mircea_popescu: point of my statement was that if the person's put to what they're actually best suited for, their opinion if it matters at all isn't worth hearing until they've felt what it's like
mircea_popescu: not in your experience ?
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: from schoolmaster's point of view - yes
mircea_popescu: trinque well entirely different consideration, this. i was looking at it from the subjective perspective. nevermind what the world tells you to do. why the fuck are you telling yourself to do things you're clearly no good for ? it's as if at the orchestra auditions everyone wanted to play the instruments they sucked at.
ascii_field: from student's point of view - to get himself credentialled/blessed for something closest to wtf he feels like doing
ascii_field: why the fuck are you telling yourself to do things you're clearly no good for ? << who wants to be biodiesel ?
mircea_popescu: biodiesel.
mircea_popescu: what, you thought it wanted to be pots and pans ?
trinque: on the one hand this is "what's to be done with all these walmart morons" and the other is "what's to be done with healthy humans"
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: but, to quote the standard ru prison tattoo, 'dum spiro spero'
ascii_field: while the biodiesel still has arms and legs, it does not want to go to the reactor pot.
trinque: sure, make candles of 'em; but if we're going into long-term biodiesel production human stock's not nearly the best choice
mircea_popescu: ascii_field i'd say "wow, check out the weird divide between eastern europe and the us", but it's not it. tons upon tons of livresque reference to this exact thing, in english too.
mircea_popescu: "finding one's way" and whatnot. all the way through the 90s
mircea_popescu: when it suddenly went poof.
mircea_popescu: !up ascii_field
trinque: best times in my career have been when some older guy said "make X, and do it precisely this way"
mircea_popescu: well yes
jurov: worst times in mine
trinque: jurov: why's that?
jurov: maybe it was not the right older dude
jurov: dunno
trinque: of course that matters
trinque: in the case where the older dude has made something of himself already, he knows tasks the novice won't ever think of doing himself, novice comes away having found out he can build an X
trinque: I tend to think there's a lot more learned helplessness out there than actual uselessness.
trinque: just labor's too expensive
jurov: lmao. it involved building the X, literally
trinque: "my god... two lines.... crossed!"
trinque: jurov: exactly!
trinque: lol
ascii_field: thing is, 'being judged re: what one is best for' has a baked-in implication of brute slavemarket
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assbot: Patriarchy is a thing because nobody likes living in a world populated by little girls on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1ASqBPD )
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trinque: it didn't select the text that time, but plonked me on the paragraph
jurov was asked to extract relevant code from libxpm so that they can have color icons without dynamically linking it
jurov had to explain and provide sample that it's not really possible
mircea_popescu: jurov this does not seem what he said AT ALL.
trinque: mircea_popescu: exactly right though; when college didn't provide that experience for me, I left it and went to work for the entrepreneurs I knew, learned there
jurov: yes, the diffrence is my older dudes were asking me something they *did not* ever do themselves.
trinque: this is not to say that college cannot provide the experience, but that the shitty one I was paid to attend did not
mircea_popescu: jurov your "older dudes" are simply idiots. what he meant was "people who know this"
ascii_field: very few folks have the good fortune of a proper apprenticeship
ascii_field did not
mircea_popescu: prolly the principal value of #b-a.
mircea_popescu: in many a young man's life, it's the first time when someone says "DO X!"
mircea_popescu: they usually do not, which is indicative of just how badly brought up they are.
mircea_popescu: i blame the whores that fucked the drunks to spawn them.
ascii_field: what of the masters, whose teachings consist of 'go reinstall winblows for the 111th time' ?
ascii_field: this is supposed to teach the value of following a master ?
mircea_popescu: i have no idea. are they or aren't they ?
mircea_popescu: if you equivocate between master and idiot, don't expect me to be able to say much
ascii_field: 'we go to war with the army we have'
mircea_popescu: a vast majority of the great she-cooks i know (younger than me) started their cook life by being made to cut cabbage, and beaten for cutting it badly. and made to cut more.
ascii_field: cabbage (or the proverbial potato-peel-detail) are points in a progression to somewhere.
mircea_popescu: there is some value in the "go reinstall windows for the 11th time". the only issue is, who gives the order.
mircea_popescu: and no, you CAN NOT establish if X is or is not "master" by reading the orders.
mircea_popescu: anymore than you can establish if bits are code or data.
trinque: step dad once dumped out a big pile of rocks from a dump truck, handed me a shovel
mircea_popescu: ascii_field it's only a progression to somewhere sometimes.
trinque: heh, the task was to flatten them out into a driveway
mircea_popescu: some other times, you suck.
trinque: there was a backhoe nearby
trinque: it knocks the shithead out of you so you listen better when the task is more important
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trinque: also teaches you to stop being a pussy in the face of every hard task
mircea_popescu: "A kid comes into a boxing gym. Your job as a coach is to discourage him so that he quits early on and does not waste your time."
mircea_popescu: guy gets it well enough.
trinque: heh there you go
mircea_popescu: at some point, once you discover that X isn't a proper master, nor Y nor Z, the realisation is forcibly dawned on you that perhaps you just suck.
mircea_popescu: the one thing redditards dedicate their lives to avoiding.
mircea_popescu: and yes, it IS tantamout to rape, all this.
mircea_popescu: their notion of rape, at any rate.
trinque: of course I had no idea what I was being taught until later
trinque: thought the guy was just having a twisted laugh watching me shovel
mircea_popescu: maybe he was.
mircea_popescu: there's not even any possible relation between the two, is the thing.
trinque: between what?
mircea_popescu: between what he was doing and what you were doing.
mircea_popescu: think of it as separate machines. what the meaning of data is in X, as it passes it to Y, matters little for Y. and vice-versa.
trinque: hm yeah, whatever he meant of it and whatever I gained from it are distinct
mircea_popescu: Y will take it, in its own context, and do something with it.
trinque: I see your point
mircea_popescu: X is responsible to passing the right data, not to "passing the right data in the right internal context"
trinque: right, the pile of rocks could've been a papua new guinean tradition nobody had a coherent reason for
mircea_popescu: or actually a sadistic streak.
trinque: dunno that I'd count it against him if it was
mircea_popescu: exactly. which is the biggest problem for the touchy-feely types. absolutely HORRID people can make exceptional teachers
trinque: yeah nobody I've learned from was a sweetheart
trinque: points at a thing I don't have a word for.
trinque: the difference between the naive, single-step "compassion" and the longer view, which involves pain, suffering, so on, but a better outcome
ascii_field: <mircea_popescu> at some point, once you discover that X isn't a proper master, nor Y nor Z, the realisation is forcibly dawned on you that perhaps you just suck. << the popular version of this was, iirc, 'the bad dancer is hindered by his own arse'
mircea_popescu: also the fact that each of his legs is longer than the other.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 107167 @ 0.00024659 = 26.4263 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu fondly recalls elena dragos. woman was a bit of a famous thing in cluj at the time. an entire year, 180ish students HATED the woman.
mircea_popescu: we got along great. i think might have been my favourite teacher.
mircea_popescu: the woman's sin ? she just... didn't think very much of random teenagers. this, terribru sin for the teenagers in question.
decimation: Happy Feast of St. Cyril & St. Methodius!
jurov: what?
jurov: we celebrate these two at 5th of July
jurov: !up yhwh_
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48100 @ 0.00026022 = 12.5166 BTC [+] {2}
jurov: 37.98-94.86 hahaha
jurov proposes opening D.GBTC to close the circle :DDD
assbot: [MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 8050 @ 0.000206 = 1.6583 BTC [-]
jurov: !mpif
assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021367 B (Total: 467.26 B). Delta: -0.18 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.000206 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31400 @ 0.0002502 = 7.8563 BTC [-]
assbot: Logged on 11-05-2015 20:05:16; ascii_field: why the fuck are you telling yourself to do things you're clearly no good for ? << who wants to be biodiesel ?
assbot: JL: The Return of Men? ... ( http://bit.ly/1PeOwoo )
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-05-2015#1128425 <<< american version of a traumatic childhood?
assbot: Logged on 11-05-2015 20:24:22; trinque: step dad once dumped out a big pile of rocks from a dump truck, handed me a shovel
trinque: what, doing work?
trinque: I should probably go get some pills for that
cazalla: and see a therapist :P
davout: jurov: wrt that GBTC thing, it says "each represents ownership of approximately 0.1 BTC", wtf *approximately*?
jurov: i did not feel like examining exact details of that braindamage
cazalla: anyway, having your step son shovel rocks sounds like a good way for the guy to bang your mum without you interrupting
trinque: damn! that makes it clear
trinque: lol
davout: thestringpuller: "We need something like testnet, just not testnet." <<< the thing is that testnet doesn't even behave like actual bitcoin, because magic rules, because reasons
jurov: pity we don't have TaT around anymore. he could have pitched altcoin to them
mircea_popescu: * jurov proposes opening D.GBTC to close the circle :DDD << i would, if i didn't know in advance that the entire charade is entirely outside of any sort of economical considerations.
jurov: ;;seen thickasthieves
gribble: thickasthieves was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 27 weeks, 0 days, 6 hours, 36 minutes, and 42 seconds ago: <ThickAsThieves> but you da boss
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo fwiw i think he's smoking corn cobbs. srsly, if some woman needs me to walk everywhere with her i dun want anything to do with her. learn to kungfu.
BingoBoingo: Sounds reasonabru
mircea_popescu: davout has it. testnet is about as useful to testing bitcoin as it is to testing litecoin.
jurov: http://atc.blockr.io/ lol still lives!
davout: also i finally understand why the power rangers think checkpoints are a good idea
mircea_popescu: 11 blocks in 30 days ?
davout: "because otherwise one would notice that the synchronization protocol is absolutely and completely broken"
mircea_popescu: davout among other things, yes.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30800 @ 0.00025764 = 7.9353 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: they have a solid tradition of covering old shit that;s starting to stink with freshly laid shit.
mircea_popescu: monkeys.
davout: it would be pretty lulzy to actually fix it in 0.5.3.1 and then "backport" it to 0.11
mircea_popescu: odds of that are low, seeing how a) they're too stupid-proud to do it and b) we got better shit to do than maintain dead forks.
mircea_popescu: taking shit from b-a log and pretending like your "expert" economists finally figured it out a month later is one thing. taking code and backporting it is harder to deny.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45268 @ 0.00024372 = 11.0327 BTC [-] {4}
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Mm soft-launch of the one that I shall be re-launching soonish ^tm >>> i was thinking hm, williamdunne ran an exchange
mircea_popescu: if you're serious about this, go to a country that's not part of the usg, run a proper exchange. no kyc/bs.
mircea_popescu: prolly end up richer than me. or dead, whichever comes first.
williamdunne: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-05-2015#1127940 << as in, customer can opt to have no communication with exchange outside of pgp ? <<< All email communications were encrypted, and they could communicate with me directly in an encrypted manner. No order entry tho
assbot: Logged on 11-05-2015 16:26:55; williamdunne: We were doing it and will continue to do it when we relaunch
williamdunne: 19:22:10 - davout: williamdunne: you scared me with that SSL shit << it was stupidity at its finest, pretty sure they only implemented GPG for another buzzword
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70383 @ 0.00024066 = 16.9384 BTC [-]
williamdunne: Sorry was just going over the logs didn't see your message
williamdunne: 23:50:20 - mircea_popescu: if you're serious about this, go to a country that's not part of the usg, run a proper exchange. no kyc/bs.
williamdunne: 23:50:31 - mircea_popescu: prolly end up richer than me. or dead, whichever comes first. <<< we're doing the KYC bs on the first exchange
williamdunne: Then there will be a separate exchange in the future without the BS
williamdunne: mabbeh
williamdunne: You'll be able to trade and do bitcoin transactions without KYC though, just no fiat
mircea_popescu: one day.
williamdunne: She's her daddy's princess
mircea_popescu: quite. and exactly the same with kyc. if you implement the us rules, you're stuck working for the us. it probably doesn't want you to be doing this, and consequently, you are only allowed to "do it" if you don't actually do it, and for as long as you bring money from home.
ben_vulpes: <williamdunne> You'll be able to trade and do bitcoin transactions without KYC though, just no fiat << mhhhhhm.
mircea_popescu: otherwise, lawsky has his own guy that bribed him to do it, and whoever else has whoever else, and none of those schmucks is you.
williamdunne: It won't be me doing it
williamdunne: Directly anyway
mircea_popescu: nothing changes. let's work an example to get what we mean.
mircea_popescu: so, you wish to grow tomatoes. you can either grow tomatoes on land owned by old man KYC, who offers the following deal : "you may [pretend like] you're growing tomatoes here, provided you suck my cock for longer than you derp in the garden, and if any tomatoes grow up you owe me twice as many tomatoes on top of those tomatoes", or you could grow them on unrelated land. which may or may not be able to grow tomatoes in
mircea_popescu: the first place, and may or may not be inhabited by poisonous alien flying earthworms.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, ~IF~ you do get some tomatoes to grow, they are yours.
mircea_popescu: now... to answer this you're telling me that you wouldn't be doing the planting directly ? what difference does it make.
ben_vulpes: no, the *sucking*
mircea_popescu: that's not optional.
ben_vulpes: b-b-but that's the compliant guy's job!
mircea_popescu: because that's totally how the mob works, "hey, i don't owe you money, that was my other personality / sister / neighbour"
ben_vulpes: "noice likkle exchange ew've got there"
ben_vulpes: "shame if anything were to..."
ben_vulpes: "...happen to it."
ben_vulpes topples a rack of servers
ben_vulpes: "oh goodness. wot a tragedy."
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes if only that guy with the younger queen of spades gf had had the sense to do this, you know ? "hey, i just own the team. go fire my racism guy if you don';t like my being racist"
ben_vulpes: i don't know that story
trinque: old dude owned a basketball team and said something not even that racist
trinque: about his rented gf not being photographed with black men, but she could fuck 'em
trinque: Donald Sterling
cazalla: and with the imminent aussie budget due, muh country slide further down the drain.. "A new tax on bank deposits to build a fund that could be used in the event of a banking collapse. In a handy little boost, the money would also sit on the budget balance sheet. "
williamdunne: Negative interest rates'll be next
mircea_popescu: cazalla lmao
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assbot: real-emacs-users ... ( http://bit.ly/1JCYjO8 )
trinque: oh no, the shitposting... it's leaking!
assbot: real-unix-users ... ( http://bit.ly/1JCYwks )
ben_vulpes: wait cazalla this is a cypressalike?
cazalla: ben_vulpes, no specific details yet afaik, but this country is fucked regardless
cazalla: reports from earlier in the year suggest 0.05% on deposits up to $250,00 AUD
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37558 @ 0.00024066 = 9.0387 BTC [-]
decimation: jurov: re: st. cyril & methoius < apparently it depends on whether you use the julian calendar
decimation: and apparently in slovakia & czech republic it is 5 july, because pope pius ix said so
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56597 @ 0.00024066 = 13.6206 BTC [-]
assbot: real-emacs-users ... ( http://bit.ly/1zWsdNu )
assbot: [MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 14000 @ 0.000207 = 2.898 BTC [+]
trinque: as you can see, the suit's perfectly conformed to his unique form
trinque: eh dunno if that's tape
asciilifeform: trinque: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=836 << my ancient attempt
assbot: Loper OS » Programmer’s Editors, Illustrated. ... ( http://bit.ly/1zWsobK )
assbot: [MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 10510 @ 0.000207 = 2.1756 BTC [+]
trinque: heh
trinque checks the climacs page for activity
trinque: 2008
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54750 @ 0.00024215 = 13.2577 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-05-2015#1128547 << to complete the painting, you build a telescope - out of sight of the demented old bastard - and see thermonuked wasteland around, no tomato in sight. then you build a spark gap radio and discover that on other side of planet, there are a few quasi-functioning tomato gardens. perhaps one or two per continent.
assbot: Logged on 11-05-2015 22:58:48; mircea_popescu: nevertheless, ~IF~ you do get some tomatoes to grow, they are yours.
asciilifeform: then you sit and go, 'hm, wtf, how'
mircea_popescu: fly, piggy, fly!
asciilifeform pictures pig with fat messerschmitt engine
decimation: asciilifeform: or you discover that there are no tomatoes anywhere outside the garden
asciilifeform: speaking of, i finally saw a me262 recently
decimation: asciilifeform: did you see the wwii aircraft fly over the mall?
decimation: where was the me262? dulles airport museum?
asciilifeform: this one was in the museum, but somehow i never noticed it
asciilifeform: the other one
decimation: the udvar-hazy museum?
asciilifeform: the other other one
asciilifeform: 'national air & space'
asciilifeform: hadn't been there since was a schoolboy, and went again
decimation: oh the one downtown?
decimation: yeah they update stuff every once in awhile
decimation: actually I think the best aircraft museum in the us is the air force museum in dayton, oh
asciilifeform: hilariously, the bouncer at first threw me out - on account of my very small pocket knife. had to go and bury it.
decimation: yeah that's what I did too
decimation: I bet if you went down to the grounds with a metal detector you could find 1000 knives
asciilifeform: hide in metallic object always
trinque: they tell you specifically to *bury* it? like a cat turd?
asciilifeform: no one 'told'
asciilifeform: bouncer just kicked out
decimation: nah they have bushes outside
asciilifeform: there's a whole park outside
asciilifeform: plenty of room
asciilifeform: other funny bit re: museum - they had a 'drones' exhibit, with all the major well-known types
decimation: the museum at dulles has the b-29 that dropped the bomb on Nagasaki
asciilifeform: decimation: i recall when the guy was on tour
asciilifeform: heard part of his talk
decimation: once I was trapped on the mall during a summer thunderstorm
decimation: weirdly there aren't any decent restrants/cafes within a short walk
asciilifeform: so in the 'drones' hall, they had an 'rq-3a' ( http://airandspace.si.edu/collections/artifact.cfm?object=nasm_A20070230000 ) and its arse and mouth were glued shut
assbot: Lockheed Martin/Boeing RQ-3A DarkStar | National Air and Space Museum ... ( http://bit.ly/1zWtWT8 )
asciilifeform: 'because s33kr1t!!111!111'
decimation: I found the best place to shelter was the indian museum - they have a great cafe that serves 'authentic' indian food. I had chips & salsa and a beer.
decimation: asciilifeform: as I recall they now have a joint strike fighter at dulles - with the vertical takeoff variant
decimation: plus, all 50000 tourists want to huddle in the air & space museum, nobody gives a shit about indians
asciilifeform: that one was extremely depressing
asciilifeform: i went once. nearly 100% recognizably-europeanized artifacts
asciilifeform: 'shit they pawned off on the indians' museum.
decimation: yeah but the chips & salsa were good
decimation: If you want depressing, go to a real indian reservation out west somewhere
decimation: most of them are drunk, live in depressing hovels
asciilifeform: i think i kinda live in something like this already
asciilifeform: not sure what i need more of it for.
assbot: Evergreen Aviation & Space Museum | Wings & Waves Waterpark | McMinnville Oregon ... ( http://bit.ly/1zWuwQL )
assbot: Aircraft — Tillamook Air Museum ... ( http://bit.ly/1zWuyIn )
ben_vulpes: the former has lotsa rokkits!
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: neato
decimation: I went to the boeing museum in seattle once, it was pretty neat too. you could walk through nixon's air force one
asciilifeform: 'The kit includes all components necessary for construction of the aircraft body up to the firewall, pre-cut and pre-bent.' (http://www.tillamookair.com/chris-teena-mini-coupe)
ben_vulpes: redstones and h1s and j2s oh my!
asciilifeform: ^ these get nowhere near enough museum space. the 'boring' car-like airplanes that 'everyone will have' in the future-of-the-past.
asciilifeform: also depressing though
decimation: asciilifeform: a museum that contains nothing but false promises?
asciilifeform: at one point, airplanes were supposed to 'happen' sorta like personal computer was going to
asciilifeform: except the buggers (for various reasons, not all 'evil') - won.
decimation: actually I think aircraft could become much more 'personal', but usg has sat upon them
asciilifeform: so aviation looks quite like what personal computing will look like in a decade or two.
decimation: yeah, depressing thought
ben_vulpes: "either build it by hand or lease time on someone else's system"?
asciilifeform: 'do strictly prescribed things except if you're rich and willing to fill out paperwork for every hour you want to do whatever'
decimation: usg event wants to sit upon hobbyists who fly r/c aircraft
decimation: suddenly flying r/c aircraft went from pleasant hobby to malevolent drone warfare upon the people
asciilifeform: i fully expect that being so much as found with a model propeller will be grounds for '25 to life' after the first quadcopter explodes somewhere interesting
ben_vulpes: subject of
ben_vulpes: let's smuggle things into argentina with roboblimps
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes missed the thread where we 'did' this one ?
ben_vulpes: ars specifically?
ben_vulpes: i recall the one where you lamented nobody doing transoceanic trips with dirigibles
mod6: Todays update of v0.5.3.1+Orphanage_Thermonuke: http://dpaste.com/2V038DK.txt [ Full Sync Achieved ]
mod6: And it never died.
ben_vulpes: noiiiice.
ben_vulpes: wd asciilifeform, mod6
mod6: great work asciilifeform!
asciilifeform: wai wat
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39873 @ 0.00023978 = 9.5607 BTC [-]
ben_vulpes has forgotten if 0.5.3.1 did away with checkpoints
mod6: it did not
mod6: check points are included.
ben_vulpes: dat poorly factored sync process.
assbot: Logged on 28-03-2015 02:23:30; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re: pigeons: let's scratch the arithmetic itch. approx. 8400 km from me to b-a. a LiMnO2 (non-rechargeable) battery yields approx. 400 Wh/kg.
asciilifeform: mod6: i assume you read my 'valgrind' outputs ?
mod6: I did look through them.
asciilifeform: thing appears to run in approximately constant memory footprint, but far too large for 'pogo' etc. and very suggestive of fragging
mod6: yeah, i can say, that it looks like (from my testing) that it did use pretty much almost all of the RAM available to my environment.
mod6: however, it did not die. which is a first for me.
asciilifeform: mod6: did you distinguish diskcache-ram from actual process footprint ?
asciilifeform: because the former is unbounded, but will never oomkill the process
assbot: Help! Linux ate my RAM! ... ( http://bit.ly/1zWvHj0 )
mod6: well, a lot of it was cached, yes. as opposed to "free" or "buffered"
mod6: -/+ buffers/cache: 673144 3255776
asciilifeform: ^ from ben_vulpes's airplanes link
mod6: (from my dpaste)
mod6: so i guess I'm wrong then, if that 3255776 bytes is actually available
danielpbarron: collateral damage or target practice?
ben_vulpes: "the prinary concerns of the Air Force as of 1010 are the establishment of a radar network for control of the country's airspace..." << hyuu
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: as in original thread, i will point out that dirigibles (aside from being blown off-course more often than not, and being stuck doing idiotic things like venting lift gas) have gigantic radar cross-sections
mod6: but anyway, yeah if it's still too large for the pogo, i guess that doesn't help us exactly.
asciilifeform: (not to mention visual)
asciilifeform: mod6: the obvious steps are 1) determine if still leaks (tentatively, i will say that it does not) and 2) determine wtf is eating the ram
asciilifeform: because no way in hell does that thing actually -need- 200+M
asciilifeform: to do its thing
ben_vulpes: stop killing my dweeeeams
mod6: asciilifeform: yeah, makes sense.
ben_vulpes: (i'm not ignorant of the radar issue, for the record. i just so happen to think the ars response would be "nothing could really be that big" and other interesting things."
ben_vulpes: s/"/)
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: depends on whether this is the first airship or the 1111st.
asciilifeform: (flight, rather)
ben_vulpes: and if 1111st, why bother with the investigation?
asciilifeform: eventually, even idiots - learn.
ben_vulpes: warhead/cicada dynamics.
asciilifeform: consider autonomous submarines (torpedo-sized) alternatively. far easier to hide in the ocean, esp. if you're small, electric, and in no hurry whatsoever - than in the air.
asciilifeform: (can eject payload on quadchopper once reach enemy shore, yes)
asciilifeform: submarine has the virtue of not falling down and exploding if it runs out of juice
asciilifeform: can 'energy harvest' (see, e.g., esp8266 threads) etc.
mod6: alright, so I'm gonna wrap up this gentoo stage3 guide, and then I'll dig in and see if I can find what's going on in there.
ben_vulpes ponders submarines
assbot: Logged on 12-05-2015 00:20:24; asciilifeform: also depressing though
mircea_popescu: the LAST thing i want is all the idiots buzzing around IN PLANES.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-05-2015#1128674 << not suddenly. once the usg got involved. it has the shidas touch.
assbot: Logged on 12-05-2015 00:22:47; decimation: suddenly flying r/c aircraft went from pleasant hobby to malevolent drone warfare upon the people
mircea_popescu: there's a reason drug cartels use subs not blimps
ben_vulpes: i have a romantic attachment to the atomic dirigible!
mircea_popescu: in other news, "We always used condoms before, and we both agreed he's only going to fuck my ass now that we're married. We both love the symbolism — I'll be shitting out his weak sperm while superior black men's seed will soak into my womb as nature intended."
ben_vulpes: with babes and children swinging from the guy wires!
ben_vulpes flinches
trinque: "will soak into my womb" lol
trinque: gut-o-meter says a dude wrote that
mircea_popescu: seems pretty els.
ben_vulpes: extra letter syndrome?
mircea_popescu: english as a language secundary.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50621 @ 0.00024273 = 12.2872 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15382 @ 0.00024576 = 3.7803 BTC [+]
assbot: Supplement Company Under Fire For "Body Shaming." ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fa7Hck )
mircea_popescu: !up Kalki
mircea_popescu: "under fire" ? what exactly does that mean ?
mircea_popescu: "a bunch of fat slobs with too much time on their hands and a govt-subsidized internet connection are mashing keyboards" ?
Kalki: Hi, and thanks...
mircea_popescu: ello. who're you ?
Kalki: just an explorer who stumbled onto Trilema
Kalki: really enjoying the writing!
mircea_popescu: anything in particular ?
danielpbarron: apparently the fire backfired and scored the company more sales
Kalki: nah I just love words
mircea_popescu is not that crazy about the workout flats.
Kalki: still acclimating....
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron what was that company that was "under fire" for something or other to do with gay marriage, ended up with booming sales ?
trinque: was it chick fil a?
danielpbarron: probably them ya
trinque: who gives a shit what a chicken sandwich company says about anything other than the sandwiches?
danielpbarron: it happened to me too. s'why I purged all social media of any reference to having a job
trinque: danielpbarron: said something about teh gays your job didn't like?
danielpbarron: something mean about the senator that got shot in the face
mircea_popescu: a senator got shot in the face ?
trinque: that chick
mircea_popescu: you mean, with a gun ? i mean... rifle ?
danielpbarron: gabby giffords
trinque: from one of the shitty desert states
trinque: yep
danielpbarron: yes with a gun; she's now got brain damage
trinque: danielpbarron: what'd you say?
danielpbarron: called her a retard
trinque: ono
danielpbarron: tweet still exists. one sec
trinque: come on, could've done better than retard
trinque: "democrats only use half a brain anyway"
mircea_popescu: poor woman
assbot: Daniel P. Barron on Twitter: "It's foolish to put any trust in the decision making skills of a mentally retarded former congressman (@GabbyGiffords) regarding our rights." ... ( http://bit.ly/1F3lLTD )
danielpbarron: they were parading her around as an example of why guns need to go away at the time
trinque: the guy was some cracked weirdo with no coherent reason for attacking here
mircea_popescu: why not as an example of why you shouldn't go around without one ?
trinque: *her
mircea_popescu: either seem about as vaguely related.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44100 @ 0.00024576 = 10.838 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-05-2015#1128736 << -everybody- says this, but same argument could apply to usg-izing just about anything
assbot: Logged on 12-05-2015 00:46:36; mircea_popescu: the LAST thing i want is all the idiots buzzing around IN PLANES.
asciilifeform: (e.g., bitcoin)
trinque: maybe you solve that by letting people crash
asciilifeform: precisely
trinque: eventually everyone who couldn't handle it.. gone
asciilifeform: i would happily learn to fly 1920s machines with the proviso that 1920 rules would apply.
asciilifeform: all of them.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66246 @ 0.00024641 = 16.3237 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: (with, e.g., no more than the 1920s paperwork, or req'd maintenance, inspection crapolade, etc.)
trinque: sames goes for considerations around the legality of guns
trinque: anywhere everyone's constantly strapped is a place I don't want to be
trinque: seeing them all strapped would be a great indicator I'm in one of those undesirable places
asciilifeform: trinque: notice how usg succeeded in nationalizing, de-facto, all of airspace in usa
trinque: can't have people experimenting with... anything
asciilifeform: there is also a component of keeping the airlines in business, plus keeping a lid on unsanctioned 'interstate commerce' etc
asciilifeform: it seems almost laughably obvious that usg ought to hate and fear cheap private aviation
asciilifeform: (can't exactly stop a 'bleriot' at a red light and search for unsanctioned suitcase of benjies !)
danielpbarron: places where everyone is strapped are some of the safest places
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: cemetary - safer still
trinque: danielpbarron: depends where
trinque: chiraq?
danielpbarron: best example i can think of is porcfest. something like a third of the camp goers were open carrying the whole time. I didn't hear of a single instance of theft or fighting (with the exception of the guy who got too high on shrooms and fell through someone's tent by accident)
asciilifeform: possibly not clear what is 'strapped' ?
asciilifeform: i assumed it meant 'belted to a chair'
trinque: heh!
danielpbarron: pistols mostly, but also ak's and whatnot
asciilifeform: the 'safest' place, short of cemetary, is probably a psych ward
asciilifeform: i don't grasp the preoccupation with 'safety.'
trinque: danielpbarron: I think that group might self-select for people who have some measure of respect for their weapons
trinque: asciilifeform: I don't either; when it comes up I tend to say "yes, and turns out you still die at the end"
asciilifeform: as mircea_popescu observed, 'everybody gets a death, adequate to his needs, guaranteed.' and i'd rather have mine in a 'bleriot' or holding ak, than from cancer of the tonsils
asciilifeform suffers from acute dietary deficit of 'micromorts'
asciilifeform: perhaps - it shows.
trinque: heh do some rugs
trinque: *drugs
trinque prescribes risky lifestyle
asciilifeform: that's entirely the wrong type of 'micromort'
trinque: but seriously, I'll take the death of a spaceman
asciilifeform: more like getting to the tonsil cancers faster
trinque: asciilifeform: this is my hypothesis on various "risky" lifestyles like bdsm, drug taking, rock climbing, whatever
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67990 @ 0.00024119 = 16.3985 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: bdsm is 'risky' ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu ^ ?
trinque: that humans need and seek a certain amount of risk to maintain mental health
asciilifeform: this is not a complete picture
trinque: maybe not, fill it in?
asciilifeform: for instance, i get a fairly good shot at violent death while commuting, but it doesn't do anything positive mentally
asciilifeform: perhaps because it doesn't give the flavour of confronting nature, or fellow man
asciilifeform: or possibly because it is associated with drudgery
trinque: yeah, there is probably something much more specific than "risk" to be said
mod6: alright, i've got a first-draft of the gentoo stage3 AMI guide put up for review. Feel free to test this out if anyone wants. I'm having some local guys try this out for me as well. Will report any updates back here.
asciilifeform: ianas! (... not a shrink)
danielpbarron: but it doesn't do anything positive mentally << you're not driving fast enough
trinque: mod6: abridged handbook, very nice!
trinque: danielpbarron: hear hear!
danielpbarron: the highway is less boring if you're the fastest one on it
trinque: "did something risky today which required skill to perform, survived it" << seems a great candidate for a built-in positive feeling
mod6: this is a ``living-guide'' for the time being as this is pretty much ``phase-1'' of this process; ``phase-2'' will entail getting a tool-chain in place that satisfies requirements.
trinque notes deedbot happily accepts manifests for builds of various useful tools :D
trinque: mod6: I crapped together a bash script that does much of what's here, not fit for general consumption yet
trinque: snagged particularly on a non-braindead way of producing an AMI from it (prior efforts involved using another running ec2 instance)
trinque: I got as far as having a "bundle" uploaded to s3, where trying to "register" that barfs incomprehensibly
mod6: ah, ok. well, if you get it in shape, let me know. i do think a lot of this could be automated.
mod6: I'll eventually publish a final form of this to the btc-dev mailing list once I have these guys execute it manually & verify that it works for them.
trinque: work's ongoing, I need the tool
trinque: barfs this currently -> A client error (InvalidManifest) occurred when calling the RegisterImage operation: HTTP 403 (Forbidden) response for URL
trinque: which... fuck you AWS, that IAM does have permission to diddle the bucket
asciilifeform: with respect to mod6's blood, sweat, tears - gentoo on aws seems quite like the proverbial 'lipstick on the pig' imho
trinque: asciilifeform: at least in this case what I really have is a gentoo builder that could as easily build a disk image for a box in front of me
trinque: the aws part just munches the disk image
mod6: asciilifeform: yeah. i agree. maybe when I have a better idea of what's actually going on, i'll have a bare rails guide or something similar.
mod6: gotta get phase-2 sorted, then will create non-aws guide.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24424 @ 0.00024761 = 6.0476 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96400 @ 0.00024869 = 23.9737 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7126 @ 0.00024869 = 1.7722 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform bdsm is very risky for the single, naive/retarded female. it is almost as risky for the single, ideologically captive male.
mircea_popescu: not to my knowledge risky for anyone else, except, of course, as far as the presence of the former impels.
jurov: mircea_popescu: f.mpif marketmaker needs some rebalancing, it has all shares with only about 3BTC left
mircea_popescu: jurov alrighty. what's official price on them ?
jurov: !mpif
assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021367 B (Total: 467.26 B). Delta: -0.18 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.000207 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: <mod6> once I have these guys << hanbot how about you help with that effort ?
jurov: ^ is this official?
mircea_popescu: jurov so trade 10k shares for 21.367 btc ?
mircea_popescu: o wait that's btcalpha
jurov: and you mean 100k perhaps
mircea_popescu: he total assets per share implied value is thus 0.00021372
mircea_popescu: jurov yeah. or 200k for 2x ?
mircea_popescu: what's your pleasure ?
jurov: can be 200k, if the trend is expected to continue
mircea_popescu: aite, 200k for 42.744 coming right up.
mod6: bah. so now that i know a bit about uclibc, perhaps I need to go through this again with this "[19] hardened/linux/uclibc/amd64" instead of "[14] hardened/linux/amd64/no-multilib"
mod6 just saw that option
mircea_popescu: i'd rather see uclibc in the "official" b-a linux
mod6: *nod*, I'll work on trying that out and getting an update in there. :]
mod6: it's kind-of baby-steps on this thing.
BingoBoingo: Oh, reddit is down for emergency maintenance
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