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EllieAsksWhy: The real one is PGP from MIT.
EllieAsksWhy: There is also a Web of Trust that is a Canadian accounting auditing certification, not a professional certification but an audit standard of some sort. The real Web of Trust is the original one though.
EllieAsksWhy: I'm sorry, I'll try to calm down and be more linear. I have never had the opportunity to actually talk about any of this stuff with anyone. I only read about things on my own.
danielpbarron: oh, this WoT isn't from "mywot.com" and it isn't from MIT
asciilifeform: EllieAsksWhy: get in wot (the actual wot). this way you can come back, e.g., tomorrow, and we will have some reason to think that we are speaking with an invariant actual human being
EllieAsksWhy: Yes, Adlai, reddit is inferior to IRC. reddit has an IRC but I haven't used it. I don't trust Facebook. I don't use it, and like to say that it steals your soul. I sort of kind of believe that, in a casual sense, not a real one. It would be blasphemous to suggest it was really true!
danielpbarron: it should be possible to change what key is associated with your nickname, for when you stop using keybase
danielpbarron: or just find a new thing right now. what operating system are you running?
EllieAsksWhy: I need to get a feel for syntax here, and metier. I liked Second Life chat and sometimes Google chat, but am kind of sheltered about messaging, other than Microsoft Connections to annoy the DBA at work.
Adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-04-2015#1112301 << calm up all you like, the log is a DAG
assbot: Logged on 27-04-2015 04:02:15; EllieAsksWhy: I'm sorry, I'll try to calm down and be more linear. I have never had the opportunity to actually talk about any of this stuff with anyone. I only read about things on my own.
EllieAsksWhy: I am running Windows 7 with Chrome browser. Not cool, no linux or ubuntu or whatnot.
danielpbarron: I have heard there are things to use on windows
Adlai: !s gpg4win
assbot: 13 results for 'gpg4win' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=gpg4win
EllieAsksWhy: DAG, Adlai? Should I not use punctuation here (does it mess up assbot's ability to function smoothly)?
EllieAsksWhy: Ah, okay, gpg4win thank you. I want to return here again, very much!
assbot: D'ya like dags? - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1PJJA7K )
Adlai: decentralized autonomous graphs
danielpbarron: !up Vexual
EllieAsksWhy: Ah, I see. Dogs. With a crufty accent they become dogs :) Are smileys okay here? I interject them a lot.
EllieAsksWhy: assbot gave me a bitly link with advertising, to https://sidetick.tv/ lol!
assbot: SideTick TV - Internet Television! ... ( http://bit.ly/1PJKxwN )
danielpbarron: in private message ?
BingoBoingo: EllieAsksWhy: The bit.ly links are the links people put in channel, but with a free proxy service
EllieAsksWhy: Ahh, I see, BingoBoingo. Thank you.
Adlai: EllieAsksWhy: actually directed acyclic graphs. you'll notice the logs include lots of disjoint conversations, peppered with links to previous messages, themselves including links to previous messages... nonlinearity is the norm
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EllieAsksWhy: Daniel, I'm sorry, I'm being too diffuse. Disregard that, I can explain further later.
EllieAsksWhy: I just found this http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-12-2013#420624 not too propitious for gpg4win
assbot: Logged on 13-12-2013 09:22:57; Duffer1: gpg4win hates me
BingoBoingo: EllieAsksWhy: The proxy links became a thing to discourage people from dropping honeypot links to harvest home ips to DoS
EllieAsksWhy: Adlai, I use chat on StackOverflow. This reminds me somewhat of that.
EllieAsksWhy: Adlai, this is a lovely description "directed acyclic graphs. you'll notice the logs include lots of disjoint conversations, peppered with links to previous messages, themselves including links to previous messages... nonlinearity is the norm"
Adlai: !b 2
assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1YKAX5J.txt )
Adlai: !up EllieAsksWhy
Adlai: it's like taking pictures of a baby
EllieAsksWhy: Hah, hah re "The proxy links became a thing to discourage people from dropping honeypot links to harvest home ips to DoS". This isn't a good place for Blythe Masters.
hanbot: EllieAsksWhy so what do you do?
EllieAsksWhy: Hello, hanbot! This is me linkedin.com/in/4lisa I probably shouldn't do this, but I'm looking for a job and unfortunately, that requires using my real full name.
danielpbarron: real names are cool
EllieAsksWhy: I do due diligence, using data analysis and descriptive statistics and probability mostly. I like finding problems and vulnerabilities and fraud and arb opportunities.
hanbot: oh hey an ibm alum
EllieAsksWhy: Thank you, Daniel. I wasn't sure if that were okay. So many people use pseudonyms which aren't truly that pseudo.
ben_vulpes: arbitunities!
EllieAsksWhy: I need to figure out how to get in your WoT so that I can return here. If I have questions or encounter difficulties, may I ask you for guidance via Twitter, Daniel?
ben_vulpes: !s first steps
assbot: 117 results for 'first steps' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=first+steps
danielpbarron: absolutely :D
assbot: first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1ybBQ8x )
EllieAsksWhy: Yes, arbitunities! Arb is wonderful, so is delta neutral hedging, sources of small but mostly safe profit.
ben_vulpes: myeah, i'm familiar :P
EllieAsksWhy: I will peruse. Y'all will probably be amused by this, but I tried to get myself here by getting an account at one of those bitcoin gambling sites, Satoshi Dice or such. I thought that if I could get an ID there, I could figure out how to use it as a
ben_vulpes: lolwut
ben_vulpes: so instead of...research...you just try random things?
EllieAsksWhy: baseline for establishing one here. Nope! And bitcoin dice rolling is probably an appalling waste of money!
ben_vulpes: it is -ev
EllieAsksWhy: Okay, I am departing now. Thank you everyone. You've been kind and mild. Please give my best wishes to Mircea, if possible.
ben_vulpes: what...did you expect?
Vexual: cute
Vexual: musta rode the hang seng this morn, figured it's time to bitcoin
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27100 @ 0.0003059 = 8.2899 BTC [-]
ben_vulpes: Vexual: man what are you even
Vexual: i rode the hang seng this morning and i figured it's time to bitcoin, how was the conf?
ben_vulpes: lotta steak
ben_vulpes: stan couldn't keep his eyes in his head re: girls
Vexual: lol
ben_vulpes: anyways what are you doing watching the hang seng - make anything off that pop at the open?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55539 @ 0.00031012 = 17.2238 BTC [+] {2}
Vexual: no, i wasnt awake then'
ben_vulpes: !up Vexual
Vexual: so whaddaya get, some rib fillet, or half a cow?
Vexual: something good presumably
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14076 @ 0.00031017 = 4.366 BTC [+]
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell mircea_popescu what have we started! watch this become the next big reddit meme.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell jurov ah yes, that's a niggle that's been bugging me too. thanks for pointing me in the right direction.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
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ben_vulpes: !up Vexual
assbot: fyooturgigs: knife sharpener, garbage-sorter, computational sommelier ... ( http://bit.ly/1JuLrg7 )
ben_vulpes: "Minaj pulled out of Hot 97’s Summer Jam after a DJ criticized Roman’s smash EDM-styled single “Starships” as something other than “real hip-hop.” Lil Wayne and the rest of Young Money canceled their performance at the show as well, in solidarity." << heh.
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: didja know that an iphone is just about cost-even with the low end macbook airs?
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: i knew it was close-ish but i suppose there's even some overlap
pete_dushenski: spec 128 gb iphone 6 plus.
ben_vulpes: gap's still like 150 us by my calcs
pete_dushenski: also: "EEC RAM and the controllers therefor" << ecc ram, therefore*
ben_vulpes: aha, ty
ben_vulpes: keep 'em comin, i gotta get my ass back into my life routine
pete_dushenski: top cheddar iphone: C$1,229
ben_vulpes: leadership starts at 6 am or how did it go
ben_vulpes: night boss
pete_dushenski: cheerio dude
pete_dushenski: cheapest macbook air 11" : C$1,099
pete_dushenski: fait accompli
Vexual: 11" fits in stuff
Vexual: who wants an big notebook?
Vexual: mp phone and an 11", thats some kit
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell ben_vulpes "and have custom trickle in." << customers*
gribble: The operation succeeded.
pete_dushenski: other than that, computational sommelier sounds like quite the craft.
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mircea_popescu: o look, ellie!
mircea_popescu: cazalla gave you folks more disk. half a gig went pretty fast eh o.O
mircea_popescu: !rated TheButterZone
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mircea_popescu: !rate TheButterZone 1 Dude got a scary whisper.
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mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-04-2015#1112276 << to quote, "asciilifeform the Anglos have a historic problem, in that they never invented политрукs."
assbot: Logged on 27-04-2015 03:47:35; EllieAsksWhy: I am still not convinced that Blythe Masters is truly a "master" of derivatives. She seems more like an investment banker/ figurehead.
mircea_popescu: well, they did invent them alright. they just made the mistake to make them women.
assbot: Logged on 27-04-2015 03:51:55; asciilifeform: in the sense of with sufficient lsd everything is quite like everything else ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58383 @ 0.00031031 = 18.1168 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-04-2015#1112289 << the website thing never made any sense. nor was it supposed to i guess. this wot is "like" the old gpg/pgp wot, yes.
assbot: Logged on 27-04-2015 03:57:05; EllieAsksWhy: I initially knew Web of Trust as the Finnish company mywot which has totally gone to hell since someone bought them out a year ago. Your Web of Trust is more like the real one, that proceeded mywot by over a decade, right?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-04-2015#1112293 << on one end. on the other end, it has the advantage that it can allow *everyone* to pretend like they're part of the conversation. here people know nobody is listening to them, because they have no voice. on facebook/reddit/etc, every idiot can pretend that he's being heard because he can read himself and so why not.
assbot: Logged on 27-04-2015 03:58:31; Adlai: reddit is inferior to irc on nearly the same level as the inferiority between facebook and actual conversation
assbot: Lily Allen - Not Fair - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1bvx10T )
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes / asciilifeform : re "build an exhaustive knowledge of every company that has ever made computer parts and an exhaustive understanding of which parts were made well and not at which point in time." << the correct approach to this is to do what mp has been saying needs doing for ages and start a bitcoin hoster.
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-04-2015#1112423 <<< scary whisper? more like didn't want to wake parents
assbot: Logged on 27-04-2015 09:19:38; mircea_popescu: !rate TheButterZone 1 Dude got a scary whisper.
mircea_popescu: because nobody knows about computer parts quite like the people doing procurement for a datacenter. so if you run your own metal and sublet to people, you're in the best position to learn these exactly.
mircea_popescu: lol cazalla
mircea_popescu: also i find the idea that various things have different webs of trust silly. yes, idiots use meat wots. this is exactly how aristotle's "no politics is your politics" thing went. otherwise, the wot's for all things.
mircea_popescu: lmao c3 drove a secession in the us across east/west lines ?! who knew that thing's so brittle and easily fractured.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes "If Macintosh laptops (long held up as the gold standard of quality in personal computing) " << nobody ever held a laptop as an acceptable form of personal computing. let alone any sort of standard.
mircea_popescu: a laptop is a toy, like a phone or a xbox, something kids that aren't smart enough / rich enough to own computers get for xmas from their weird uncles.
mircea_popescu: broadly speaking, anything without the lego quality is not a real thing, but a toy. that's what the "no user serviceable parts inside" sticker communicates to the world : this is not a tool, this is a toy.
cazalla: desktop master race
assbot: Logged on 27-04-2015 03:18:03; asciilifeform: jurov: ...there are new miniitx mobos with ECC support... << where?! link plz. i'd buy at least one to try
assbot: Super Micro Computer, Inc. - Products | Motherboards | ATOM ... ( http://bit.ly/1IekE65 )
jurov: not yet found any with amd cpu
mircea_popescu is curious what comes of this
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assbot: How OkCupid scammed me for 0.1687626 BTC : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1IekYSz )
cazalla: i guess women don't want to hear libertarian shit on okcupid
mircea_popescu: protip : don't use platforms. they're bad for you.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the differences between me and justusranvier dude are amusing. fetlife vs okcupid, the locus of butthurt, etc.
mircea_popescu: must suck to be poor / powerless / clueless / etc.
cazalla: he actually took a few days off of okcupid because of it.. "Naturally, I reported that conversation for abusive behaviour and I took a break from the site for a few days because frankly I was not expecting that and was a bit shaken from the experience."
cazalla: just imagine 6 months later and he's ready to ask her out and she says no.. total melt down instead of moving on to the next one 6 months prior
mircea_popescu: i might be the only one left doing things this way, but afaik the way is, you give the woman a task. she either does it or doesn't.
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davout: cazalla: oh god, this is priceless
assbot: A new Lordship List ? on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1DsBnMj )
kakobrekla: wait i need to edit the ratings ?
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla yeah go ahead.
mircea_popescu: was giving lazyass foundation peeps time to comment, but nothing lasts 4evar.
kakobrekla: the current interface does not allow for it
kakobrekla: how convenient.
mircea_popescu: whadda ya mean doesn't allow lol.
kakobrekla: i can make assbot say !rate whatever but it wont eval that
assbot: Notorious 8chan “subboard” has history wiped after federal judge’s doxing [Updated] | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1Iep1y4 )
mircea_popescu: unsurprisingly, it was the silk road judge.
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davout: kek
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26800 @ 0.00029791 = 7.984 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: davout hey, did fetlife break their signup process ?
assbot: Our contribution to Bitcoin community : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1DsNjOd )
davout: mircea_popescu: nfi
davout: williamdunne: some dudes made some code for a matching engine, not really noteworthy
davout: also they claim to have sunk $100k in the development, but somehow they're opensourcing it now, because incorporating somewhere else than russia isn't practical...
davout: williamdunne: weren't you saying you were making one yourself?
jurov: hi davout, you wanted to ask about mailing list?
davout: jurov: yea, i subscribed a few times but never received a confirmation
Naphex: williamdunne: what davout said. C# is a disadvantage though. You'd have to be crazy to run trading infrastructure on windows sesrvers
Naphex: servers *
davout: Naphex: there's this mono thing by miguel de icaza iirc, no idea if it's still a thing tho
williamdunne: Naphex: Run it in mono most likely
williamdunne: davout: I thought some of the structure was pretty cool with the Elixir message queue
mircea_popescu: <davout> williamdunne: some dudes made some code for a matching engine, not really noteworthy << actually it's the most oversupplied intem in stock.
mircea_popescu: in the bitcoin space, "matching engines" are the equivalent of crusted socks in adolescent boys' bedrooms.
mircea_popescu: so many of them, made with an apparent firm conviction that somehow they'll bring recognition...
davout: yep, because you know, what's really needed and important is that they're able to match 1m orders/s instead a meager 10k orders/s
jurov: if someone gave $100k to alf for bitcoind development instead...
mircea_popescu: no, because alf needs actual 100k
mircea_popescu: as opposed to this kind of 100k
jurov: lol true
williamdunne: davout: Isn't the point that the in-theory number is about an order of magnitude higher than what it can handle when in actual use
Naphex: williamdunne: anyway trading engines are not that hard to write, they do require some experience to get right.
jurov: "measured in orders/s P.M.P.O"
davout: williamdunne: not really, if the theoretical number is that different from the actual one, you have a problem
Naphex: williamdunne: the good option is to hire the right people and develop an engine according to your infrastrucutre and needs
williamdunne: davout: Well for example, the Java one that I wrote can match 160k/s when pumping in random data directly. But when we add the overheads for actually accepting and handling orders from customers it will not do close to that
Naphex: williamdunne: you aren't doing 'real-matching'. those stats aren't really saying much
williamdunne: Naphex: True
davout: williamdunne: why? the matching engine should be the only single-threaded bottleneck
davout: you can spread order acceptation, and trade settlement, just not the matching
Naphex: williamdunne: and with binary insert it can do a lot more then tha
davout: and if you can't there's really not that much point in writing something really fast
williamdunne: Naphex: True, I still need to take a proper look at that
williamdunne: Naphex: Still don't understand how to handle the order of the maps though
williamdunne: davout: Haven't looked to much at the architecture of that yet, but you're right
assbot: Collections (Java Platform SE 7 ) ... ( http://bit.ly/1A5muQ1 )
Naphex: you use binarySearch with a Time-Price to find the insertion point for your order. Thus your list/map will always be sorted
Naphex: Time-Price* Comparator->
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williamdunne: Naphex: Awesome, I'll have a dig thanks
williamdunne: !rate Naphex 3 Knows his shit, and willing to share it
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williamdunne: !v assbot:williamdunne.rate.Naphex.3:ddd94e0ae5fc2a931d7567e4b416ec7e01c90d5cc28651e3d76ce7e07b9e1b0f
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for Naphex from 2 to 3 with note: Knows his shit, and willing to share it
mircea_popescu: lol fecal transplant
williamdunne: !rate davout 1 paymium
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williamdunne: ! assbot:williamdunne.rate.davout.1:f03a2be09ffd8e402efc0691f4d803300c0cc010784b53b5a42d3b7ecd7de9b9
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assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for davout with note: paymium
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davout: this justusranvier thing keeps on giving
davout: "Are you sure the reason you assume the admin was correct is because the admin was paid, and not because of the genders of the involved parties?"
BingoBoingo: On the typical USian dating site, gender matters. Other than on grinder the dating site will rarely ever have a shortage of dicks.
mircea_popescu: grinder has a shortage of dicks ?!
BingoBoingo: Prolly
mircea_popescu: da fuck is it anyway
mircea_popescu goes to look at this wonder
BingoBoingo: Grindr's the one dicks use to find nearby dicks
davout: and now, hearn and him are stuck derping at how micro-payments and smart contracts would have prevented the whole thing
davout: obviously hearn concludes that it's really necessary to push the block size
mircea_popescu: so fucking stupid this. who the shit would enter into a contract with justus ranvier and why exactly ?
mircea_popescu: "we will deliver chicks to you because you're so speshul"
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i wonder if gay sites have a serious problem with supplying enough bottoms.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It is amazing how much more productive the conversation gets when discussing logistics of dating sites instead of derping over bans
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
mircea_popescu: "Another part is a distributed marketplace for dispute resolution based on smart contracts."
jurov: waitwhat? in murica chicks flock to grindr?
mircea_popescu: ahahaha o gawdy.
jurov: what's this "justusranvier thing"?
mircea_popescu: "No thanks. I'll keep using my card. It has way too many benefits not to. I'll switch to Bitcoin when it's easier to use, offers buyer protection and has more benefits than cc's. Which won't be anytime soon." << funny how dynamic equilibrium perceived as static works.
mircea_popescu: dude proceeds from this locus where no matter what, he will keep on getting money on his govt issued card.
mircea_popescu: because no matter what, govt will keep getting that money, and keep seeing him as a worthy expense.
mircea_popescu: no matter what
mircea_popescu: no matt...
mircea_popescu: bitcoin doesn't take over through convincing random fuckwit of "more benefits". bitcoin takes over by raping the state. permanently.
mircea_popescu: then OboombaIII is more than welcome to use all his cards for all the benefits he wants, whatever they may be. it won't be food, but hey, a rich life of the mind doth not require material contraptions.
williamdunne: bitcoin doesn't take over through convincing random fuckwit of "more benefits". bitcoin takes over by raping the state. permanently. <<< See, I totally agree with this. But this is why I think that there should be bigger blocks (not Gavin's proposal, but statically bigger). Easier to rape the state surely if its less inconvenient and more people can do so
mircea_popescu: im not sure how the logic worked there.
williamdunne: More = More basically
williamdunne: More people = More raping and pillaging
mircea_popescu: more lice = better health.
BingoBoingo: williamdunne: Nah, then you just end up bloating the chain with welfare spam
mircea_popescu: more white cells = better immunity.
mircea_popescu: more water = better beach
williamdunne: Not saying it holds up with everything
mircea_popescu: so then why wopuld it hold up here.
williamdunne: Because if more people are able to keep their funds away from government tendrils, it seems like it would do more damage than a few. While a few people have a lot of money to hide, a lot of people can be turned against them (i.e "evil tax avoiders") and violence works
mircea_popescu: if violence worked, the situation wouldn't be stable currently.
mircea_popescu: what was it, 1% of world pop owns 50% of assets or what ?
mircea_popescu: besides, a little bit of violence would go a very long way towards resolving most of the western problems currently.
williamdunne: Well yeah, but the violence I'm describing is going against the people who shouldn't be receiving it
mircea_popescu: the thing with violence is that it's pretty self-explainatory.
mircea_popescu: if you're receiving it, you should have been.
williamdunne: How so?
mircea_popescu: what do you mean how so ?
williamdunne: Well there are lots of instances of violence where the people committing it should have been on the receiving end
mircea_popescu: according to whom ?
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-04-2015#1112429 << if they had used hot ones, would be unstoppable
assbot: Logged on 27-04-2015 09:22:40; mircea_popescu: well, they did invent them alright. they just made the mistake to make them women.
mircea_popescu: hot women don't work for idiots. governments are always hierarchies of idiots. ergo...
mircea_popescu: as a government, all you can get is beta males and menopausal females.
mircea_popescu: soviets sunk on the former, the us is sinking on the latter, pretty much.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-04-2015#1112439 << while i should like to see this happen (who wouldn't) - must confess that it is a titanic problem, not unlike bitcoin manufacturing incidentally. one ends up building a gigantic funnel of btc to usd
assbot: Logged on 27-04-2015 10:29:08; mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes / asciilifeform : re "build an exhaustive knowledge of every company that has ever made computer parts and an exhaustive understanding of which parts were made well and not at which point in time." << the correct approach to this is to do what mp has been saying needs doing for ages and start a bitcoin hoster.
williamdunne: Relatively sensible consensus, i.e holocaust was bad, Armenian massacre is bad.
williamdunne: asciilifeform: Bitcoin hoster?
asciilifeform: williamdunne: aha. it is one of those notably-absent animals
mircea_popescu: williamdunne consensus of whom ?!
asciilifeform: (various wildlife claim to do it, yes. but no one in wot. and therefore it Does Not Exist)
williamdunne: asciilifeform: No I mean literally what does it mean, a bitcoin web-hosting company?
mircea_popescu: well, not necessarily web, people might want to host irc servers, etc. but yes.
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Most, although I guess thats overly democratic
asciilifeform: williamdunne: bitcoin in, leased machines out.
williamdunne: asciilifeform: Yeah, I'd like to see one not operated by a tool
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: I think its fair to say holocaust is bad
mircea_popescu: williamdunne but these aren't involved third parties. so the burned jews are too dead to say, and the burning germans are also too dead to say. at the time however it stands to reason the victims all agreed they shouldn't be victims, and the perpetrator agreed on the contrary pov.
mircea_popescu: it being bad is one thing.
jurov: williamdunne i am trying to put something together , maybe with TomServo but never did it before
williamdunne: !gettrust jurov
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jurov: i mean i have worked in a colo cage before, but never build one from scratch
mircea_popescu: there's a space between "x is bad" and "x shouldn't have happened".
williamdunne: Yeah, for sure I'd be glad to use it if you do
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-04-2015#1112442 << imho this is catastrophically misguided. in the same logic one might suppose that experience manufacturing dog food should be best qualifier for opening a fine steak restaurant
assbot: Logged on 27-04-2015 10:29:33; mircea_popescu: because nobody knows about computer parts quite like the people doing procurement for a datacenter. so if you run your own metal and sublet to people, you're in the best position to learn these exactly.
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: So the violence was just? Sorry I'm struggling to follow.
mircea_popescu: violence is always just by its own measure. that's what violence is.
asciilifeform: for instance, i regard experience with intel boxes as entirely irrelevant to what a hypothetical proper 'sommelier' would do.
mircea_popescu: you might not agree, but it doth not ask you.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how would you achieve this regard other than through experience ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: very much through experience. but i do not know if anyone actually has this kind of experience.
jurov: i have seen numerous people stick to one thing only "because of experience"
asciilifeform: and data center procurement is the last place i'd expect to find it.
mircea_popescu: you similarly don't expect to find experience with cars and car parts at the mechanic's ?
asciilifeform: these folks can speak for cost - yes, reliability - sometimes, sure
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: So if I were to beat you, it would be just for violence's sake?
asciilifeform: but patrons of 'sommelier' are presumably interested in something more
mircea_popescu: williamdunne if you manage it, you've managed it, right ?
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: But I don't see how that makes it just
mircea_popescu: well, "just" only exists in a certain context. in the context of violence itself, there's no space for more functions than "DidItHappen()" which returns a bool.
jurov: mircea_popescu: you ever asked multiple automechanics which car is the most reliable?
mircea_popescu: if you construct more complex spaces you get "WasItGood()" and "ShouldItHaveHappened()" etc, but now you are also stuck with the complexity.
jurov: it's usually 2 people 3 answers situation
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i would have approached from different angle, and suggested that sommelier must have actual understanding of how the damn thing works. as well as a certain amount of reverse-engineering capability.
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Ah okay, right. That make more sense
mircea_popescu: jurov ayup.
williamdunne: I was more meaning morality
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah but yu're a deductive nut. whereas the job of a sommelier is ipso definitio inductive.
mircea_popescu: no sommelier "deduces" what the better wine is on the basis of watching winemaking videos or some shit
mircea_popescu: williamdunne so how do you enact that morality ?
jurov: well, imagine how would it work. i'll buy 10 kinds of various crap, observe for years how it behaves
mircea_popescu: hopefully something more substantial than "most people agree"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the data center thing would be ideal, i agree, if anyone actually ran amd-only data centers
jurov: and in the meantime they are not manufactured anymore
asciilifeform: and jurov has it
mircea_popescu: jurov yeh that's a problem.
asciilifeform: even u.s. dod (pentagon) thought this was a problem.
asciilifeform: attempted to solve, even.
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Well thats hard to summarize with a formulae as its relative. Normally I would favour the person who was most productive prior to said violence
williamdunne: But its murky at best
mircea_popescu: this "most productive" approach is how you got eminent domain.
asciilifeform: i must confess that i have a rather pessimistic view of the sommelier thing because the feedstock is already mind-bogglingly scarce, and the market has been flooded with crud for long enough that -everyone with serious experience has the bulk of his serious experience with crud-
mircea_popescu: anyway, violence has the marked ethical advantage that it removes people from the goop where they imagine they are in control of their environmenty and the future.
mircea_popescu: makes for much more pleasant people.
williamdunne: I'll agree with that one
mircea_popescu: one of those nimby problems : violence is not only great, in the general, but sorely needed for functioning society.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, nobody wishes it in his own yard.
mircea_popescu: and so california is running out of water because while population doubled, water works have not been allowed to go forward ; and the us is ethically collapsing because hey... no useful violence to be had.
mircea_popescu: the police are trying to compensate, what with the random raping of middle class derps, but it's really a toothpick in a levy breach
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: I don't think they are actively trying to compensate, just a side effect
nubbins`: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-04-2015#1112284 << you'd be surprised at how little LSD this takes
assbot: Logged on 27-04-2015 03:51:55; asciilifeform: in the sense of with sufficient lsd everything is quite like everything else ?
williamdunne: Not that it makes much difference
mircea_popescu: well obviously they wouldn't be aware.
nubbins`: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-04-2015#1112663 << being a sommelier is more about developing your tongue and nose than about memorizing the taste of x different types of wines
assbot: Logged on 27-04-2015 13:47:48; asciilifeform: i must confess that i have a rather pessimistic view of the sommelier thing because the feedstock is already mind-bogglingly scarce, and the market has been flooded with crud for long enough that -everyone with serious experience has the bulk of his serious experience with crud-
nubbins`: if you see an old man at the grocery store, walking around the produce section and picking up and smelling EVERYTHING, they're probably a sommelier
asciilifeform: nubbins`: the thread concerned a conversation we had at c3 about a hypothetical profession of 'computer sommelier'
assbot: Logged on 27-04-2015 05:51:14; scoopbot_revived: News! fyooturgigs: knife sharpener, garbage-sorter, computational sommelier URL: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/04/26_fyooturgigs-knife-sharpener-garbage-sorter-computational-sommelier.html
nubbins`: ah, and here i am on wine
nubbins`: yeah, agreed 100%
williamdunne: Sommelier = Citizen of La Serenissima?
nubbins`: williamdunne sommelier = wine guy
williamdunne: Okay, I was a mile off
mircea_popescu: nubbins` they're prolly just bored
nubbins`: mircea_popescu being a sommelier is pretty boring.
nubbins`: your friends tend to come in 750mL bottles
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: incidentally, why i suggested 'sommelier' as term for the hypothetical: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-03-2014#582380
assbot: Logged on 26-03-2014 03:27:12; asciilifeform: re: commoditized 'innovation' - here's a snipped from me turdbox. translation of a page in pelevin's epic 'snuff' (the one with s/ukraine/orkaine, 'orcs', etc)
asciilifeform: (see ancient snippet in that thread)
nubbins`: but srs, i've given a glass of wine to a L2 sommelier and he told me /which country and which grape/ it was made from
nubbins`: guy's maybe 32 years old
nubbins`: with a decade and a half of wine tasting under his belt
mircea_popescu: more power to him
nubbins`: "tastes like lychee" "wtf does lychee taste like?" "let's go to the grocery store..."
nubbins`: skills like this, i have a soft spot for
nubbins`: my old man used to work with this guy who claimed he could identify ~12 species of wood by smell alone
nubbins`: so the old man brings in 12 wooden blanks for turning pens, and a blindfold.
nubbins`: guy aces 11 of the 12, declares 12th to be "X or Y", and sure enough it was X
asciilifeform: nubbins`: skills that cannot be faked or debased, i have a soft spot for, yes. but the fraudsters did find the pill against this, and it was to build entire fraudwots that cancerously spiderweb across any passageway whereby the layman might wander in
asciilifeform: and that's how we get the faux-sommeliers who cannot distinguish red from white-with-food-colouring
asciilifeform: or go and find me a data center guy who won't recommend an intel box, ever.
nubbins`: ever watch "hell's kitchen"? it's not uncommon for "contestants" to be unable to distinguish pork from chicken by taste alone
nubbins`: TBF this gave me a serious case of the o.Os
asciilifeform: nubbins`: were these folks claiming to be professional 'tasters' ?
nubbins`: naw. aspiring famous chefs.
nubbins`: different specie
asciilifeform: anybody can 'aspire' to whatever.
asciilifeform: but if you learned that these folks -were making a living as chefs- ?
asciilifeform: and that if you were not in -their- wot, you had no chance as a chef ?
nubbins`: it would be my sad
nubbins`: TBF i don't think i have a chance as a chef anyway
asciilifeform is also not a chef
asciilifeform: but for sake of argument.
asciilifeform: do you see how the situation is analogous to the 'electronics chef' thing ?
nubbins`: not because of lack of skill -- i put my way through university cooking and i can blow any self-described "chef" outta the water
nubbins`: but because i don't have the patience to earn the red seal
mircea_popescu is a chef, for all the diff it makes
nubbins`: nor to condemn myself to working in restaurant kitchens
mircea_popescu: oh, seals we mean ? aoknm.
nubbins`: asciilifeform the space of "humans who grok their fields" is ever-shrinking
mircea_popescu: why do we care about THAT issuer again ?
nubbins`: *we* don't, the restauranteurs do
nubbins`: for the same reason the places hiring programmers care about the B.Sc.
nubbins`: not because it implies skill or suitability for the position
nubbins`: but because it implies the holder is willing to waste time in pursuit of a "maybe"
mircea_popescu finds it harder and harder to care about whatever the derps outside do.
nubbins`: which is a really nice feature for your employees to have
mircea_popescu: but aptly put.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu finds it harder and harder to care about whatever the derps outside do. << this is the very definition of atomic dirigible.
mircea_popescu: i guess it must be
davout: mike_c: could you make it possibru to zoom on the wot graphs?
asciilifeform: not that it is a bad thing - but that the lessons learned inside such a machine are uniquely inapplicable to folks on the groud
asciilifeform: *ground
mircea_popescu: davout it's a svn, you should be able to zoom natively
mircea_popescu: ya that one
nubbins`: many of the lessons learned inside the kitchen are uniquely inapplicable outside, as well.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lol this re the me vs rnavier piece ?
mircea_popescu: nubbins` not that many, i find!
asciilifeform: re: the 'fuck diplomas' thing
nubbins`: "don't touch black things because they might be hot enough to send you to the hospital" :D
mircea_popescu: i know for a fact my knowledge of welting and bruising helped cooking
davout: mircea_popescu: doesn't really work for some reason, also the SVG tags are embedded directly in the HTML, makes it impossible to open in new tab for example
mircea_popescu: ah that's a point.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu do you find that argentinians mallet the fuck out of steaks?
mircea_popescu: should be a file img src ?
mircea_popescu: nubbins` nope.
nubbins`: i found this to be almost the rule in peru, wondered if the epidemic was more widespread
mircea_popescu: speaking of which : i had a proper bleue davout! quarter inch cooked on each side, one inch pure cold red inside
Adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-04-2015#1112435 << that is an advantage in roughly the same manner as bezzle automagically condensating on a plastic card in my position, is an advantage
assbot: Logged on 27-04-2015 09:28:24; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-04-2015#1112293 << on one end. on the other end, it has the advantage that it can allow *everyone* to pretend like they're part of the conversation. here people know nobody is listening to them, because they have no voice. on facebook/reddit/etc, every idiot can pretend that he's being heard because he can read himself and so why not.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the rnavier thing - fella went into the scorpion pit, for no apparent reason, got stung a bit. big whoop.
nubbins`: "i'll have the steak sandwich" (server takes out heavy maul and nice steak)
mircea_popescu: i thought of you the whole time.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` they prollydo it for the milanesas
nubbins`: o no doubt
mircea_popescu: Adlai it is, no ?
Adlai: it's an advantage within certain constraints, which are rather invisible from inside the cage
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nubbins`: oh, meantime, i purchased a micro-registration head for the t-shirt press, to evaluate
nubbins`: only had to drill two holes through 1.4" aluminum to install
nubbins`: and it FITS LIKE A GLOVE
nubbins` searches for pic
jurov: !s justusranvier
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nubbins`: the fuckers quite obviously dropped the thing on the ground when packaging, one of the bolts is severely bent
nubbins`: but luckily all the connections are rose joints and there's *just* enough clearance for the thing to still work
mircea_popescu: jurov guy made a reddit post complaining about how okcupid canned his acct.
mircea_popescu: kinda lulzy in multiple ways.
nubbins`: imgur just gets shittier
mircea_popescu: !gettrust justusranvier
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asciilifeform: iirc he went vocally and publicly with gavincoin
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> and so california is running out of water because while population doubled, water works have not been allowed to go forward ; and the us is ethically collapsing because hey... no useful violence to be had << Also the part where the largest agricultural use of water in California is... Alfalfa... for export to China as livestock fodder...
nubbins`: good ol' free trade
nubbins`: let's feed all our clean water to alfalfa plants so we can ship them overseash
nubbins`: and buy bottled water with the money
Adlai: please tell me about your water problems
asciilifeform: 'tell me again about the waters of your home world!' (TM) (R) 'Dune'
nubbins`: i don't have any water problems, i'm from eastern canada
davout: jurov: did my test e-mail to btd-dev work? received some feedback myself, just making sure it's all wired up correctly on my end
nubbins`: here's two arms of the press, one without the micro registration head and one with: http://imgur.com/aOcDnzQ
mircea_popescu: !rate justusranvier -1 I dunno, afaik he's just kinda derpy (see http://trilema.com/2015/what-amused-me-today/ etc) but my WoT hates him now, and so I can't in good conscience keep a meaningless +1, nor do I want to set it to 0 because then it gets deleted. Brb adding footnotes to this rating.
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Adlai: some hypothesize that the root cause of the middle east confilict is... water
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nubbins`: (the black parts labelled
mircea_popescu: haha nice.
nubbins`: "OK" should give an idea of what's been added)
asciilifeform: nubbins`: this looks very much like the solder paste press i was considering buying
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo no more vegetables ?
asciilifeform: i guess basic principle is similar
nubbins`: asciilifeform silkscreening is silkscreening, the only major differences are (a) the emulsion spread on screens to hold images, and (b) the inks
davout: jurov: affirm
nubbins`: i could silkscreen PCBs with this setup if i was OK with the fumes and caustic chems
BingoBoingo: <nubbins`> let's feed all our clean water to alfalfa plants so we can ship them overseash << But It's the only way to get some of these shipping containers back to China in a manner other than empty!
mircea_popescu: Adlai how good is that hypothesis in your eyes ?
nubbins`: BingoBoingo you mean the redditards haven't turned them all into "sweet $2,000 off-grid houses" yet?
asciilifeform: nubbins`: silkscreen for pcb looks quite like this also. paste press is a somewhat different item, applies substance with consistency of toothpaste
jurov: davout it was received, sent, archived.. what else did you expect?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Still vegetables, but... Not as many.
davout: jurov: george clooney, some nespresso
nubbins`: asciilifeform the white inks i use are somewhere between dried toothpaste and drywall compound in consistency
nubbins`: nofun.jpg
jurov hands davout hipster decaf coffe with non-dairy creamer sweetened by stevia
mircea_popescu: stevia is a sweetener ?!
nubbins`: mircea_popescu imagine hey?
asciilifeform: nubbins`: solderpaste is even less fun, because actually is a suspension of metal balls. and if you misapply it, you get defects
Adlai: mircea_popescu: there's some truth to it (pretty awesome owning both sides of the lake!) but it seems like an overly narrow version of "it's just tribal hysteresia that hasn't yet settled"
mircea_popescu: it's just slightly bitter wtf.
nubbins`: asciilifeform hm i bet you need some low mesh counts for that
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jurov: mircea_popescu: one can get used to it
punkman: I saw ketchup with stevia at the super the other day
nubbins`: we have some metallic inks that require ~80 threads per inch
nubbins`: normal screens for paper printing: 305tpi
mircea_popescu: Adlai i for one believe it's driven by women. specifically : the arabs understand voicing women is a problem and don't understand how to fix it, whereas the jews/xtians/other european colonists don't understand voicing women is a problem.
punkman: mircea_popescu: stevia extract is pretty sweet
punkman: I hate it though
nubbins`: ever since that episode of Breaking Bad?
Adlai: well it's tricky, because (arabs != muslims != those in conflict) with (jews != israelis != zionists)
mircea_popescu: sure. but the groups are broadly arabs / jews+euros.
mircea_popescu: different degrees of heat.
Adlai: there is such a thing as "arab jews", they'll just stab you if you call them that
Adlai: they make up a large part of israel's population
nubbins`: guy's got a point
mircea_popescu: what do they self identify as ?
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Whats wrong with voicing women?
Adlai: "sepharadic" jews
mircea_popescu: williamdunne they favour "safety", and tend to misunderstand it.
mircea_popescu: ahahahaha... Adlai cruisin' for a bruisin' online lawl
Adlai: from "spharad" = spain, where they got kicked out from by the inquisitors, picked up some arab culture and genes for a few centuries, then immigrated here during the last
williamdunne: But there is nothing wrong with voicing women who are risk tolerant?
mircea_popescu: williamdunne what's "risk tolerant" ?
williamdunne: Able to handle risk, i.e doesn't favour safety
nubbins`: lel.
mircea_popescu: women are very risk tolerant, by nature.
mircea_popescu: they'll get pregnant, for one.
nubbins`: oh man, only 4 days til the creature moves out
nubbins`: caught a rare glimpse of him today
mircea_popescu: that doesn't directly relate to the totally nutso things they do with their children. find one woman that considers a plain "don't worry about this one, you can make another" as an adequate condoleance over her dead baby.
williamdunne: Isn't that de-risking in their opinion? An attempt to secure a spouse?
mircea_popescu: nah, just, protective parenting.
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asciilifeform: is this not because 'can make another' is not entirely a given? expensive operation (per yesterday's thread)
mircea_popescu: so it is.
mircea_popescu: the problem is that an overly protective attitude towards children ruins them.
mircea_popescu: this worked fine back when the species was powerless, because nobody really cared what women derped about.
mircea_popescu: as we've become powerful, they've suddenly got a major problem. much worse than teh nuclear bomb, really.
asciilifeform: !s social osteoporosis
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mircea_popescu: aptly named.
mircea_popescu: kinda why the public discourse in natoland is so female centric these days btw. it's not some evil conspiracy against men, it's just, we've managed to dig out a very gendered problem and the bitchez are stuck trying to fix it.
nubbins`: asciilifeform after looking at some solder paste press setups, yeah, you could 100% do this in my basement
davout: my wife doesn't understand when i tell her that newborns sort of have to be "adopted" by the father at some point
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nubbins`: almost certainly w/o even changing any of the chems or supplies
mircea_popescu: davout how you mean ?
davout: basically that women pretty much count a new child as "existing" as soon as they can feel it in their flesh, whereas men must wait to see the baby
mircea_popescu: !up Swadq
mircea_popescu: i guess that's a point.
davout: source of misunderstandings some time :)
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nubbins`: fascinating
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nubbins`: incidentally, all this shit experienced a revival in western art because of warhol. and you should see pictures of the fuckin equipment he used. super wtf.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the "fixing" by and large leans towards denial there's any problem whatsoever, so far. which is why the war. to get back to the original point with adlai.
nubbins`: ^ warhol silkscreen
nubbins`: looks like metal mesh
nubbins`: also 46 is an impossibly low mesh count.
mircea_popescu: it does look like a metal mesh
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nubbins`: couple of the guys in that thread actually inherited some old warhol gear, pretty neat
nubbins`: stalkers are also welcome to try finding me on the gp forums
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> was giving lazyass foundation peeps time to comment, but nothing lasts 4evar. << My apologies, all set.
mircea_popescu: haha thanks mod6
nubbins`: "got a chance to look at a bunch up close in a gallery in hawaii, the ink was caked on and cracked all over. He used a bunch of different printers. the actual production of the art was no biggie, he just found images with halftones already and blew them up in a camera, or if he took the polaroids when he was doing all the portraits, he added a halftone small, then blew them up to make them go ratty. rubies were cut (or stencils) for b/g,
nubbins`: and many times the printers were just given a bunch of colours and combos to work through."
mircea_popescu: basically more of the same "warhol is this whore who made a lot of money and we being from america think this is art"
nubbins`: pretty much
nubbins`: "the ink was caked on and cracked all over" was saddening to read
mircea_popescu: then all the derps hoping it wears off go all nutty "Any of you have some light to shed on a few of these questions?
mircea_popescu: What method did he use for photo exposure? What did he use for positives, lith film using reversal process?"
mircea_popescu: dude... he just did WHATEVER.
mircea_popescu: now go find a woman to be nice and sense-of-humour-y to.
nubbins`: he really did just do whatever
nubbins`: generally didn't even pull the squeegee himself
nubbins`: just stood around being weird and told people to do shit
mircea_popescu: hey, he knew his market.
nubbins`: ayup
nubbins`: silkscreen's this weird thing
nubbins`: it's a difficult skill to master, really difficult
nubbins`: if you ever wonder why "grunge texture" got so popular in gig posters and silkscreened art prints
nubbins`: it's because the creators didn't know wtf they were doing and were unable to pull clean prints
nubbins`: so they added "grunge texture" in photoshop to cover up their shit technique
mircea_popescu: INDUSTRY STANDARD
nubbins`: "now you can' tell if it's because it's on purpose, or because my mesh hasnt been changed in 5 years so it's noisy and has zero tension"
nubbins`: not bragging or anything but i've never seen any silkscreen prints that are better than my own
nubbins`: and i've been all over the world tracking the shit down
mircea_popescu: you do find the stupidest shit to dedicate yourself to...
mircea_popescu: silksreen, bitcoin, wood collection...
nubbins`: hey, the only wood i collect these days is in pressed-pulp form
nubbins`: but yeah, drugs and bitcoin are prolly the 2 stupidest so far
nubbins` was dismayed at rudimentary binding techniques used by the atelier that inspired him to start printing on paper
Adlai: not to mention landlording cretins
nubbins`: Adlai hey that only happened once!
nubbins`: altho i should tell you stories about the roommate who didn't have a sense of smell...
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Pierre_Rochard: !unrate danielkrawisz
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Pierre_Rochard: !unrate jgarzik
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Pierre_Rochard: !unrate princessnell
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pete_dushenski: "China says no more strippers at funerals. A statement from the Ministry of Culture on Thursday said the government is working with local police to stop suggestive funeral performances, which are intended to draw more mourners to the events." << whatever it takes to be best most popular dead guy.
BingoBoingo: Well, if it works...
pete_dushenski: well of course it works
pete_dushenski: giving away free money would work too
mircea_popescu: tbh, i think that is a fine idea
mircea_popescu: nude bitchez funeral.
BingoBoingo: Anyway, funeral is kinda supposed to be a celebration.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hey, you want a dump of all these derpy exploits i keep getting emailed ?
Pierre_Rochard can already see pete_dushenski sitting shiva with close relatives and strippers
pete_dushenski: yes, when parents croak, why not ?
Pierre_Rochard: a week of moral support, seems reasonable
pete_dushenski: there are worse ways to use your inheritence.
pete_dushenski suspects inheritance will actually go to spca or tree-planting in israel but w/e
pete_dushenski: "you might want to think twice before you use Groupon (GRPN) to keep things safe. The Australian branch of the deal-scoring website is recalling a number of condoms sold between March 12th and April 10th. The condoms, labeled as Durex turned out to be counterfeit and the Australian Government Department of Health warns that they could have holes poked in them." << there are things to cut coupons for and then the
pete_dushenski: re's condoms.
pete_dushenski: day-old muffins doth not compare to a freaking child
mircea_popescu: why would there be holes poked in them ?!
pete_dushenski: terrorists.
pete_dushenski: terrorists who want australian deal-seekers to deplete the island's public and natural resources.
pete_dushenski: it's a long-term game.
BingoBoingo: !up walltime
Adlai: my rentmate dumped a chick for merely jesting about poking holes in his condoms
mircea_popescu: never just one cockroach in that kitchen.
mircea_popescu: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cantor_Fitzgerald << check it out, the gaw embarassment is chasing fraser all the way to wikipedia
assbot: Cantor Fitzgerald - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1DtTLVh )
williamdunne: How long until he tries to remove it?
mircea_popescu: doubt he's that dumb.
williamdunne: Smarter men have done dumber things
mircea_popescu: ^ "GAW Miners CEO Admits to Charity Fraud". Retrieved 2015-04-27.
williamdunne: !getrating mircea_popescu
williamdunne: !rated mircea_popescu
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williamdunne: !rate mircea_popescu 4 king of #b-a
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williamdunne: !v assbot:williamdunne.rate.mircea_popescu.4:83795e4b29646ceb06cae8dfb61b1e27ca46f8bb523b95915038bf43f75a014c
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mircea_popescu: i'm not even the washington of b-a, not having yet lead anyone through any valleyforge. let alone king.
pete_dushenski: more like the andrew jackson ?
pete_dushenski: or jfk ?
williamdunne: Not dead yet
mircea_popescu: in the immortal words of slappy the squirrel,
mircea_popescu: "you remind me of a very young don quixote"
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: i'd give you more of a don juan.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski i used to think so myself, but then i read on fetlife i'm really spurned by teh ladies, and so...
mircea_popescu: maybe once i retire.
pete_dushenski: retire ? fool you once...
hanbot: mircea_popescu perhaps williamdunne meant the kind of king that's painted on velvet and prefers peanut butter banana sammiches.
mircea_popescu: wait, what is this ?!
williamdunne: On that note, FetLife still haven't responded to my gracious offer to fix their shit for 10 btc
pete_dushenski: should've asked for 100
pete_dushenski: it'd seem more serious
williamdunne: 10 btc is serious, I'm a poor man
mircea_popescu: dude, they don';t have money.
assbot: elvis presley - in the ghetto - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1dkXteU )
pete_dushenski: like the dentist who's busy when priced competitively, wants to be less busy, jacks up his prices to the highest in town, and then has his doors beaten down with customers like never before.
mircea_popescu: hahahaha jailhouse rock eh ?
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski happens more to gynecologists/cosmetic surgeons than dentists but yeah
pete_dushenski: williamdunne: i'm not saying 10 btc isn't serious, but isn't premium enough. they are poor though.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: no doubt. i just happen to know a dentist for whom this happened, so it was salient.
pete_dushenski: i don't personally know any gynes or boob docs.
mircea_popescu: hanbot geez he's so out of it...
mircea_popescu: poor guy.
mircea_popescu: there's nothing as bad as success.
BingoBoingo: Where's scoopy?
pete_dushenski: i was wondering the same !
mircea_popescu: dude this is the god damned curse of the rss
williamdunne: Wait is scoopy down? One sec
assbot: Prosecution Shenanigans Continue as Ulbricht Sentencing Approaches | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1dkY7sR )
scoopbot_revived: News! Prosecution Shenanigans Continue as Ulbricht Sentencing Approaches URL: http://qntra.net/2015/04/prosecution-shenanigans-continue-as-ulbricht-sentencing-approaches/
assbot: Prosecution Shenanigans Continue as Ulbricht Sentencing Approaches | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1dkYgwl )
williamdunne: I really need to stick him on a server ASAP
assbot: Elvis Presley - Jailhouse Rock (Music Video) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1dkYmnx )
mircea_popescu: williamdunne where's it now ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33300 @ 0.000297 = 9.8901 BTC [+]
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: My desktop
mircea_popescu: nowai ?!
williamdunne: yeswai?1
hanbot: mircea_popescu: doesn't even sound like him. i'd say the doldrums did wonders for his voice.
mircea_popescu: " At the sentencing hearing the prosecution plans to present new evidence,"
mircea_popescu: dude who the fuck heard of this!
pete_dushenski: whoa. that IS nuts.
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: And you thought they were a rogue state before...
mircea_popescu: nice piece i must say
mircea_popescu: your journalism is maturing.
mircea_popescu: "The parents of two of the allegedly six persons who supposedly died from overdosing on Silk Road drugs are Bharara's list to testify at Ulbricht's sentencing."
mircea_popescu: dude no fucking way roflmao omfg.
mircea_popescu: this sounds like they think they lost ?
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mircea_popescu: im definitely paying for a coupla people to cry at preet's own sentencing.
mircea_popescu: esp if it's the "with beheading" version.
ascii_field: hedzoff.com
Adlai parsed that as "Ulbricht Sentencing Approaches URL"
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The unprintable stuff in other media is Dratel's gut reaction is a "harm reduction" defense, and not STFU if this wasn't good enough for trial, roll it in sand and shove it up your ass.
BingoBoingo: I just can't take Dratel seriously as part of "Team Ulbricht" anymore
mircea_popescu: goes to show that any man who hires a clerk of the court to defend him from the us govt is having a fool for a client
mircea_popescu: or how did that ditty go.
williamdunne: "The parents of two of the allegedly six persons who supposedly died from overdosing on Silk Road drugs are Bharara's list to testify at Ulbricht's sentencing." <<< fo'real? Appealing to the juries feels
Adlai: williamdunne: scalpl (my thingy) spent a year on a thinkpad x30 without a harddisk, i think you're doing just fine
BingoBoingo: williamdunne: Actually SOP, except for the part where this allegedly harm wasn't presented at all during trial
williamdunne: Not to mention they would have been doing drugs anyway
assbot: Avenue Q | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1EejgO3 )
pete_dushenski: ^last review for the citadel theatre this season.
pete_dushenski: "Current versions of WordPress are vulnerable to a stored XSS. An unauthenticated attacker can inject JavaScript in WordPress comments. The script is triggered when the comment is viewed. "
pete_dushenski: "To prevent exploitation, administrators should disable comments (Dashboard, Settings/Discussion, select as restrictive options as possible). Do not approve any comments. "
pete_dushenski: this is what passes for "news" it seems.
assbot: The Storm That Was Fel on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1dl27JH )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 140590 @ 0.00029718 = 41.7805 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: Logged on 27-04-2015 15:41:27; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hey, you want a dump of all these derpy exploits i keep getting emailed ?
mircea_popescu: windows, mostly.
kakobrekla: * Adlai parsed that as "Ulbricht Sentencing Approaches URL < the redundant ministry of redundancy put that there
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: actual exploits, or idiot trojans ?
ascii_field: because there is no shortage of the latter
mircea_popescu: idiot trojans.
ascii_field suspects he gets the same ones
mircea_popescu: cab/zip/pdf/xls take your pick
mircea_popescu: kinda what i was curious about
ascii_field: send'em over
mircea_popescu: includes gems like
mircea_popescu: AMAZON.CO.UKMar 5, 2014 +468 KiBorder #559-69409{_DIGIT[5]
ascii_field: l0l i get just about all of the items mircea_popescu quotes
Adlai: kakobrekla: srsly, how about just: <name> <url> <title...>
Adlai: or rather i should bitch at williamdunne
williamdunne: <title> <url> is possible
mircea_popescu: williamdunne just drop the "URL"
mircea_popescu: it's obvious it's an url.
Adlai wants (poster locator &rest title-words) !
Adlai: BingoBoingo: any estimates on the range of possibilities are for the sentencing?
williamdunne: Will be taken into consideration with re-imp
BingoBoingo: Adlai: Pretty much 20 years to life
jurov: !gettrust rmunroe
assbot: Trust relationship from user jurov to user rmunroe: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=jurov&to=rmunroe | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/rmunroe/
Adlai doesn't see why it's relevant to have additional testimonies, on either side, once the jury has convicted... shouldn't the judge sentence based on the same evidence used by the jury?
jurov: !gettrust assbot rmunroe
assbot: Trust relationship from user assbot to user rmunroe: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=assbot&to=rmunroe | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/rmunroe/
williamdunne: Adlai: Till death do we part
Adlai: it's almost ironic how the continued persecution just cements ross's martyrdom
Adlai: have they forgotten how to dump bodies in the ocean?
williamdunne: Kangaroo Courts are more entertaining
kakobrekla: Adlai talk to williamdunne bout that
pete_dushenski: not forgotten, can't afford it.
pete_dushenski: Adlai: ^
BingoBoingo: Adlai: Generally a jury sentences in USia if a jury tried
pete_dushenski: Adlai: like christina in argentina can only afford to have one crown prosecutor die.
pete_dushenski: even though 3 more replaced him and now she's pooched.
Adlai: jury sentencing is... decentralized! yay
mircea_popescu: ascii_field ok that should be enough
mircea_popescu: " This message has been rejected because it has a potentially executable attachment "You received a new message from Skype voicemail service.eml""
mircea_popescu: lol not even mail would take it
Adlai never understood the forward vs attach dichotomy
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: as far as i can see it's spamolade
ascii_field: rather than targeted-anything
ben_vulpes: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-April/000085.html << didn't we cut a version of auto.sh that used foundation-hosted tarballs of all of the above?
mircea_popescu: well who the fuck targets with this windows crap.
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-04-2015#1112972 << i always thought that chemical 'layers must not touch' colour change thing would be just right for condom
assbot: Logged on 27-04-2015 16:10:32; Adlai: my rentmate dumped a chick for merely jesting about poking holes in his condoms
ben_vulpes: and pete_dushenski i'm pretty sure that custom is an acceptable use in that context
ben_vulpes back to salt mines
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: who the fuck targets with this windows crap << plenty of folks
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: that's cool. it's your article.
Adlai: ascii_field: no, that's just for detecting roofies; sperm belong to the succubus from first arousal
ascii_field: Adlai: no, what i meant was, it is not especially difficult to make layers that change colour (or give off heat, smoke, etc) if they come into contact through a broken intermediate shield
ascii_field: naturally for the envelope, not condom per se
assbot: A professor fails his entire class and his university intervenes | InsideHigherEd ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gyuvl9 )
Adlai is aware, was just dribbling idiocy. technology has existed to solve many problems, which isn't yet in use...
mircea_popescu: i think what *he* meant was that he lives under oppression.
Adlai: if you do it for the condom, it detects accident as well as sabotage
mircea_popescu: i know i don't.
assbot: Exclusive: Bitcoin company Circle raising new cash - Fortune ... ( http://bit.ly/1dl7F6V )
mircea_popescu: so far, i broke dozens of condoms. had none sabotaged.
Pierre_Rochard: “in the midst of raising around $40 million at a pre-money valuation of approximately $200 million"
ascii_field: mircea_popescu is very clearly not even theoretically the target audience, though.
Pierre_Rochard: looks like a leak and nothing has been signed…
mircea_popescu: Pierre_Rochard so lulzy. then garza tries and fails to raise 50k via his muchly-crimped cantor fitzgerald contact.
Pierre_Rochard: (speaking of broken condoms !)
mircea_popescu: can't get 50k in real money, all the while derps get "40mn" in pseudo money.
ascii_field: and speaking of sabotage,
Pierre_Rochard: … fitting that GAW would end up as a footnote to 9/11
Adlai: "Open source software . Preinstalled . Configured . Bootable ISO . Your hardware . Your sysadmin . Professional support . Automatic security updates"
mircea_popescu: ascii_field ahh excellent.
ascii_field: mega-lulz
Adlai: to their credit, "Do not use GoodCrypto for mail encryption if: You are already encrypting mail. Even if GoodCrypto is easier, we don't want a monoculture."
kakobrekla: !v assbot:assbot.unrate.justusranvier:5a9e79640e6e21dae6facd8c3e466e3175679dd430ff9067805e5f20d9946cbf
assbot: Invalid verfication string.
kakobrekla: what did i miss
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63000 @ 0.000301 = 18.963 BTC [+] {2}
kakobrekla: ah ok
Adlai: expiration?
kakobrekla: !up assbott
ascii_field: and where is the 'https is a crock of shit' gotterdammerung ?
BingoBoingo: !up JuliaTourianski_
assbott: !v assbot:assbot.unrate.fabianb:b21e6a56eb26dafd89cc5ba2b24a9464a5dfc4b945602717b7935b87baf56d19
assbot: assbott is not registered in WoT.
mircea_popescu: !up JuliaTourianski_
mircea_popescu: ascii_field in the logs.
assbott: ah imma have it done in private msg
ascii_field: l0l sure in the logs. but what of the lusers - none of them actually want to live ?
JuliaTourianski_: yo
mircea_popescu: what do they care.
mircea_popescu: you got in the wot yet JuliaTourianski_ ?
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: With the FetLife replacement project how important is the client side JS encryption? Would it for example be redundant if hosted on metal outside of the US, and operated by someone willing to say fuck you to a subpoena?
mircea_popescu: it's never redundant.
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Working on scoping the whole thing out for you, but changes things a bit
williamdunne: Okay, would it be important to you in other words?
JuliaTourianski_: should be
mircea_popescu: williamdunne in other words without encryption it is not worth even mentioning.
williamdunne: Ok, it can still be done, just limits some usability things
williamdunne: What data is deemed to be suitable to keep outside of encryption?
mircea_popescu: the site structure.
JuliaTourianski_: "doesn't hurt to touch base with the guy who owns an exchange worth 300k and who was asking about you.. " daniel p. barron
ascii_field still doesn't grasp why folks seem intent on building another 'lavabit'
mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski_ he has a way about him. anyway, do me a favour, read the clocks thing
mircea_popescu: i wanna hear how it sounds out of your mouth.
JuliaTourianski_: i already emaile du about it...kinda
mircea_popescu: ah. /me checks
JuliaTourianski_: who wrote it?
mircea_popescu: should remind you of auden lol.
ascii_field wonders if mircea_popescu is using 'clocks' thing to look for a nice voice to go on the #b-a shortwave propaganda station
mircea_popescu: ascii_field maybe i'm just trying to misguide the metansa!
jurov: https://github.com/jurov/wot/blob/master/update_gpg.py little help for anyone who wants to maintain WoT gpg keyring
assbot: wot/update_gpg.py at master · jurov/wot · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1dlajtD )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34850 @ 0.00030119 = 10.4965 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: that covers it i think
mircea_popescu: ah splendid
mircea_popescu: danke kako.
ascii_field: RIP moiety
mircea_popescu: didja see the argentinian sweets shop ?
mats: that was suspicious... i think i crashed assbot
kakobrekla: i restarted it to kick it out of schizophrenic mode
ascii_field: 'When we tried wget, it detected errors, retried, and finally succeeded. It said the error was a bad length field in a TLS packet. That didn't make sense at first because we thought TLS packets were error corrected by TCP.' << incidentally, i am not certain that i agree with the author's conclusion ('reverse heartbleed'.) it may very well be an attempt to exploit other braindamage in http stack
mircea_popescu: ascii_field yeah it's not clear from the notes that they actually identified the mechanism
mircea_popescu: "The attack appears to be from someone sitting on the net pipes and injecting packets. This requires huge resources. The U.S., U.K., Canadian, and Chinese spooks do this. Ordinary criminals don't have the ability."
ascii_field: and based on the choice of target, usg -wants- idiots to use 'goodcrypto' on account of it being derp
ascii_field: but needed to write this love letter in very oblique way
mircea_popescu: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: note that it wasn't being done to gpg
mircea_popescu: weakest link in the whole thing. a) "criminals" ie, non-criminals do have the ability, it's really not that hard and b) how did he figure that
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: allusion to the 'quantum insert' thing where they mitm million+ connections at backbone level
mircea_popescu: "Because the goodcrypto.com servers are in Europe, China is an unlikely suspect." because...
ascii_field: chinese mo is, traditionally, shenanigans at own border
ascii_field: because they are mainly concerned with simple internal cattle management
ascii_field: rather than usg-style boiling of the oceans
mircea_popescu: judging by the 1mn aid kerry announced for nepal, i'd say us is just as internal cattle management-y.
ascii_field: u.s. takes 'internal' to mean whole of planet3
mircea_popescu: allegedly. i have some trouble following these texts that rely so heavily on knowledge of other machine's internal states.
mircea_popescu: id' have liked that report a lot more if it focused on a complete description of the mechanism of action
mircea_popescu: in lieu of idle speculation of the geopolitical considerations.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: for all i know, the entire purpose of that report was to make the offender go underwater and prevent proper forensic work
mircea_popescu: i guess.
ascii_field: sorta like the actual meatspace effect of much of the snowden thing
ascii_field: (e.g., where the fuck is my 'FLUXBABBITT' ? bounty, and no one took. how many zeroes would have to be added ?)
ascii_field: at the time of that post, it was several $k us
assbot: Loper OS » Wanted: FLUXBABBITT. ... ( http://bit.ly/1dldf9r )
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: With the site's meet + greet space, what should be publicly viewable. Should users be able to set public/private names individually (private of course encrypted)?
ascii_field: [4] https://goodcrypto.com/redirect-offsite/https://eternally[SNIPPED]/wget.exe << l0l re: idiots serving up winblows exe to chumperz
mircea_popescu: !gettrust bigbitz
assbot: Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user bigbitz: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 17 via 16 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=mircea_popescu&to=bigbitz | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/bigbitz/
mircea_popescu: ascii_field for the record, that fluxbabbitt thing is such bs... srsly, interdiction costs $500 now ?
mircea_popescu: williamdunne user's names should publicly be the key.
mircea_popescu: privately, whatever alias.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39802 @ 0.00029647 = 11.8001 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48850 @ 0.00029645 = 14.4816 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37000 @ 0.00029629 = 10.9627 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: how the hell would i know what it costs
ascii_field: for all we know, the jtag daughterboards never existed en masse because boobytraps baked into silicon at factory more than suffice
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8307 @ 0.00030119 = 2.502 BTC [+]
assbot: BBC - Earth - Why do women have periods when most animals don't? ... ( http://bit.ly/1HLa4mL )
jurov: "It prevents her from investing in a bad embryo, lets her get rid of it right away, and primes her body for another successful pregnancy."
jurov: perl, indeed
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 594 @ 0.0017268 = 1.0257 BTC [-] {2}
jurov: !shasum wot
assbot: sha256sum wot_users.sql.gz : 7dafb72baef08b6a23eaf3c16693180d851d1f433113236af63d72e007a72f1a
assbot: sha256sum wot_ratings.sql.gz : 466874a6f4704d2e62a683e5f81bb1c3023ea9884ec76962b67e35fae8df4b32
assbot: sha256sum trustlist.txt : 3511d840ab9535e213e051f1f02a873e4531b6a26719080dd96134abe14af438
jurov: so to be sure trustlist.txt is okay i need to come to irc and intercourse with assbot?
fluffypony: "intercourse with assbot" is my new favourite phrase
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Would this cover all of the main features? https://mega.co.nz/#!ItBmiT5A!le5xA-v_oBLQfQXG4Jipe5FDUoD_dpcrFM4ALsUX8wg
ascii_field: warez hoster for a ~1kb zip, wtf
williamdunne: I have an existing account there, and easy to drag and drop it over. What is a better option?
ascii_field: dpaste ?
williamdunne: Hmm yeah that could work. Is HTML
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38645 @ 0.00030157 = 11.6542 BTC [+] {3}
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
assbot: Shamir vs. Diffie on Bitcoin - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gqd5EO )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34030 @ 0.00030557 = 10.3985 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: williamdunne can it be a paste ? blog article ? something ?
mircea_popescu: comment on trilema even
mircea_popescu: ascii_field because it said on the friggin paper
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
danielpbarron: mircea_popescu, may I have an eulora account?
mircea_popescu: jurov how do most animals not have periods ?!
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron defo.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: the 500 for 'hardware and installation' includes only what the monkey does in the interdiction checkpoint
mircea_popescu: ascii_field you ever seen a usg contractor bill ?
mircea_popescu: $500 ? srsly ?
ascii_field: rather than the cost of interdiction, which is in fact externalized to cisco et al
mircea_popescu: what is this, fluxblabber by radioshack ?
mircea_popescu: $500 buys the us a pogo.
ascii_field: presumably the 'unit cost' is what the components actually cost. rather than the usual amortized nre, etc. which honest people include in such a figure.
mircea_popescu: makes no sense it'd figure there.
mircea_popescu: lmao amir doesn't get it.
mircea_popescu: false dichotomy. la serenissima IS the establishment. that some faux estab lishments characterize it as "rebels"...
mircea_popescu: big whoop.
ascii_field: one can only suppose that he has not taken the lsd yet.
mircea_popescu: prolly interacted with a bunch of "representatives", got the natural conclusion "kids be idiots".
ascii_field: ^ neato
assbot: Generate RSA keys in browser. Store public and private ke... - justpaste.it ... ( http://bit.ly/1HLv90n )
mike_c: can we never use tinypic again?
mircea_popescu: uh that's a pretty bad spec neh ? what's M+Gs ?
mircea_popescu: mike_c ok. why ?
williamdunne: Meet and Greets
mircea_popescu: btw mike_c, save a copy of the big svg pre update tonight ?
williamdunne: Yeah just wanted to get a basic idea of functionality, nothing too fancy
mike_c: it is covered with floating ads and pops up tabs with warez.
mircea_popescu: well that's mostly in teh trilema post. i was looking for more of a "use X thing from Y to do encoding. add Z from K to do M." etc.
mircea_popescu: mike_c the direct link ?!
mike_c: direct link redirects you
mircea_popescu: it didn't redirect me. wtf ?
mike_c: you must have better JS filtering
mircea_popescu: but it's just a jpg.
mike_c: and sure, I'll save a copy of the graph. Trivial for anyone to do with right-click, save-as
mike_c: it's not a jpg really
mike_c: it's whatever the server says to do
mike_c: like: location *.png { rewrite }
mircea_popescu: Content-Type: image/png
mircea_popescu: Content-Length: 1252013
trinque: can confirm that a) it redirected me too the first time and b) didn't now
mircea_popescu: this is some suspicious shit
jurov: mircea_popescu: apparently the heat other animals have is distinct from full period with menstruation
mircea_popescu: jurov well ok, that's true. but i mean you know, the feet of ungulates are distinct from the feet of palmipedes or w/e
jurov: they don't have so aggressive emryos, don't need to reinforce and then shed uterus wall
jurov: that's all it was about
mircea_popescu: well it's called "covert menstruation", it still bleeds byt they carry their tampax inside.
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Wanted to make sure that we're on the same page before doing that. Happy to do a scope like that but first I've done in that level of detail
williamdunne: Only done for non-technicals before
mircea_popescu: williamdunne b-a style development is a very loose process.
williamdunne: Suits me
mike_c: chetty: cool pic! kinda sad to see boxy go :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18350 @ 0.00029528 = 5.4184 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: yeah huh.
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-04-2015#1112707 <<< worse than that, american kids don't even know their basic vegetables https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGYs4KS_djg
assbot: Logged on 27-04-2015 13:59:38; nubbins`: ever watch "hell's kitchen"? it's not uncommon for "contestants" to be unable to distinguish pork from chicken by taste alone
assbot: Potato or Tomato? - Jamie Oliver's Food Revolution | Promo Clip | On Air With Ryan Seacrest - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gz827B )
mircea_popescu: cazalla the funniest part is, they think they hate various vegetables they've never had.
mircea_popescu: yeah, i'd hate frozen shit too.
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: and then they visit b-a and they can have opposite problem, described in asimov's 'secret sense' :
assbot: The Secret Sense ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gz8Qt9 )
mircea_popescu: ascii_field i had some crema de almendras and thought of you
ascii_field: now eat some burned tyre and think of me, l0l
mircea_popescu: i also had cherisse with maraschino cherries, but thought of ben.
ascii_field is having some difficulty re-habituating to earthling food
cazalla: <mircea_popescu> yeah, i'd hate frozen shit too. <<< ya, friend of the missus has knocked back freebies from my garden a few times on the basis she "doesn
cazalla: doesn't like that".. same woman who thought pumpkins grew under the ground lol
BingoBoingo: <cazalla> doesn't like that".. same woman who thought pumpkins grew under the ground lol << pumpkin seeds are the best vandalism
mircea_popescu: vandalism ?
williamdunne: Guessing throw them on some land and watch a bunch of pumpkins turn up
jurov: imo in certain countries more fun can be had with poppy seed :D
trinque: or weed seeds
mircea_popescu: or kudzu. or bamboo.
mircea_popescu: or, if you work at an undertaker, cut off toes from the dead people and plant them in live people's yards.
jurov: once we had to explain to a spaniard intern what a poppy seed is, it's popular as cake filling around
jurov: "yes, opium is made from that"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24300 @ 0.00029528 = 7.1753 BTC [-]
assbot: Full Holes, Empty Head — myfavoriteutterdepravity: hereforyoutouse: So... ... ( http://bit.ly/1HLCYmD )
mircea_popescu: !rate copumpkin 1 Old hand. Long time, no see.
assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/1a395f35950b41bc
BingoBoingo: So Baltimore's Ferguson moment seems more organized than Missouri's https://twitter.com/AFP/status/592792834824077312
assbot: /hashtag/UPDATE?src=hash Baltimore riot: seven officers hurt, one 'unresponsive' http://t.co/SXP9nETQ2X
mircea_popescu: !rate nanotube 3 Old hand. Runs gribble, escrowed the Vandroyi-pirate bet.
assbot: Rating should be any non zero value between 10 and -10.
mircea_popescu: !rate nanotube 3 Old hand. Runs gribble, escrowed the Vandroyi-pirate bet.
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mircea_popescu: !rate trancegeek 1 Old hand. Long time, no see.
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mircea_popescu: !rate imsaguy 1 Old hand. Long time, no see.
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mircea_popescu: !rate smickles 1 Old hand. Long time, no see.
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mircea_popescu: mike_c hm, the timestamp gets sorted weirdly (alphabetical, so aug 2014 is after april 2013 etc)
mircea_popescu: !rate reeses 1 Old hand. Long time, no see.
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mircea_popescu: !rate cory 1 Old hand. Long time, no see.
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mircea_popescu: !rate lyspooner 1 Old hand. Long time, no see.
assbot: is not registered in WoT.
mircea_popescu: !rate lyspooner 1 Old hand. Long time, no see.
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mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.lyspooner.1:568fdceca14520ded232a1f434a8a346a26e0cd052a0225d79216bd763b1618a
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for lyspooner from 3 to 1 with note: Old hand. Long time, no see.
mircea_popescu: !rate onefixt 1 Old hand. Long time, no see.
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mircea_popescu: !rate bugpowder 1 Old hand. Long time, no see.
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mircea_popescu: !rate namworld 1 Old hand. Long time, no see.
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mircea_popescu: god damned my list is loing.
mircea_popescu: !rate ocminer 1 Old hand. Long time, no see.
assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/bb6015b326e9fee5
mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.ocminer.1:46ca7769b539b61d5fca0a8f76139cad90d4d5c4c9d2e2667e7a99c322628786
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for ocminer from 3 to 1 with note: Old hand. Long time, no see.
mircea_popescu: !rate sgornick 1 Old hand. Long time, no see.
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mircea_popescu: !rate random_cat 1 Old hand. Long time, no see.
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mircea_popescu: !unrate khersonus
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Cory: mircea_popescu: Do you still use nanotube's too?
mircea_popescu: on occasion, if people who don;t know about assbot insist .
mircea_popescu: how've you been ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9450 @ 0.00030019 = 2.8368 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: !unrate pars3val
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mircea_popescu: !unrate parseval
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mircea_popescu: !unrate xmj
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mircea_popescu: !unrate genericpersona
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BigBitz: why all the unrating, mircea_popescu?
mircea_popescu: well, gotta keep the wot tidy
mircea_popescu: it's a living thing!
mircea_popescu: !up BitcoinGuy
mircea_popescu: Police meanwhile announced they had received a "credible threat" that several known criminal gangs in Baltimore had "entered into a partnership to 'take out' law enforcement officers." << check it out
mircea_popescu: inception or w/e it's called.
trinque: I was wondering how long that'd take.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo whoa check it out, the meriwether fight purse is 400mn ?!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37679 @ 0.00029528 = 11.1259 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: Dan Fredinburg apparently died in nepal.
assbot: SpaceX Thales Mission on Livestream ... ( http://bit.ly/1GBKguF )
trinque: or rather, watch-spacex-scrub-launches feed
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Seriously the purse is bigger than CoinBase's bezzelbucks
asciilifeform playing with 'cpanel' for the first time, struggles to understand wtf is the point of it
williamdunne: asciilifeform: Makes things easier for those terrified of a terminal
trinque: scared of driving? here have a blindfold
asciilifeform wonders if it can be uninstalled
mircea_popescu: dude stop fixing things that work. you wanna do something, make gentoo work as smoothly as cpanel.
asciilifeform: aside from the guilicious dripping braindamage candy of it, i just logged into a www-based (https with self-signed cert) thing that has full control over $box
asciilifeform: any idiot could have owned it then.
asciilifeform: (idiot sitting between me and the antipode of planet where thing lives)
mircea_popescu: myeah. that's nothing : at some point servers were owned through an actual cpanel update.
mircea_popescu: but hey. until you make a working gentoo...
asciilifeform: goddammnit my gentoo works
mircea_popescu: that's the problem. yours does.
asciilifeform: 'until you make a working boeing' 'my boeing flies' 'the problem - yours does'
mircea_popescu: every 15yo can run a cpanel site.
asciilifeform: an 'automated' gentoo is of the same kind of misguided animal as graphical pgp
williamdunne: 15 year old using terminal master-race
jurov: iirc i broke cpanel as quickly as you did gentoo
mircea_popescu: i'd settle for a well documented and judiciously defaulted gentoo.
trinque: asciilifeform: naw, if I was setting up 200 of these things, I'd want a process other than manual lever pulling
trinque: you can do an image, but say the build's different between them
mircea_popescu: trinque his box works!
trinque: my mistake
trinque: needs a genbootstrap
asciilifeform: trinque: 200 of them - bitwise image, identical disks
asciilifeform: change variables later.
mircea_popescu: stop being male.
asciilifeform: they sell cradles where you can mount N disks at once and image. since '90 or so
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: my dulap broke
mircea_popescu: prolly cuz it had no cpanel.
jurov: ;;ud dulap
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=dulap | pronounced: "doo-lap" -noun 1. the soft area of skin between the chin and neck. " Man, I got her dulap so good today at lunch!" by JourneeLee March 14, 2007.
jurov: wat
mircea_popescu: jurov its a reference ot this romanian castration story.
mircea_popescu: so it kinda looks like assad may actually be going away.
assbot: Former Romania president admits allowing CIA site - Al Jazeera English ... ( http://bit.ly/1JM9eEV )
jurov: Iliescu wrote on this blog on Monday that "I would surely have taken another decision'' if he had known what the CIA was doing.
asciilifeform: famous u.s. gulag there since when, '04 ?
mircea_popescu: iirc closed down in 07ish
mircea_popescu: and im pretty sure he wouldn't have taken another decision. it was openly discussed at the time that the americans are scum, but the country wnated the eu membership.
asciilifeform: can't join eu without joining nato ?
mircea_popescu: it was already in nato (since 2004ish lol)
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The zoo in Baltimore affecting your weather at all?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: not visibly to naked eye
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: in fact, was in bmore just last night, saw nothing extraordinary
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well, funeral was today. Apparently there are day riots nao.
mircea_popescu is running top waiting for the big moment :D
mircea_popescu: how goes the cpanelling asciilifeform ? :D
mats: NO JUSSIS NO PEACE
assbot: Gov. declares state of emergency; activates National Guard | Maryland News - WBAL Home ... ( http://bit.ly/1dmkYUI )
mats: destroyed a CVS, a car, a 7-Eleven... hardly calls for the national guard
BingoBoingo: mats: Rumours of police casualties
assbot: Someone in Baltimore just cut fire hose with a knife so firefighters can’t put out CVS fire http://t.co/XD9fFehyLK
mats: lol
williamdunne: I wonder if it comically flailed about
BingoBoingo: williamdunne: There's a picture, It's like pissing the first couple hours of taking a blowgun dart to the dick
mats: news station on fire
BingoBoingo: Cool, Go Orioles!!!
Pierre_Rochard: baltimore police is going to get lynched http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loretta_Lynch
assbot: Loretta Lynch - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1dmnHNZ )
Pierre_Rochard: “investigated Citigroup over mortgage securities sold by the bank, resulting in a US$7 billion settlement; and was involved in the US$1.2 billion settlement with HSBC”
mats: "it's hard to figure out who are the instigators because they're all black"
mircea_popescu: wait she just took over ? what happened to holder.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20700 @ 0.00029975 = 6.2048 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: 56-43 aha
Pierre_Rochard: holder was on his way to getting impeached so he resigned, “for personal reasons” of course
BingoBoingo: !up kuzetsa
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell pete_dushenski saw add for fast and furious 7 here, wondered idly who the fuck could possibly need or want that.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: So... This makes the BitPay sportsball blunder seem milder, only about 20-25% of mayweather-pacman purse squandered http://deadspin.com/the-angels-will-pay-76-million-to-make-josh-hamilton-g-1700476722
assbot: The Angels Could Pay $76 Million To Make Josh Hamilton Go Away [Update] ... ( http://bit.ly/1GqKK16 )
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo can i has short summary as to who the proper nouns are ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Josh Hamilton: great but not-elite baseball player relapsed into his booze and blow habit. Started sucking at baseball right after Los Angles's other baseball team signed him for 125 million dollars over 5 years. They are trading him to Texas and eating 90% of the remaining payroll.
BingoBoingo: Texas gets him for 7 million dollars over 3 years, The other Los Angeles team pays the remaining 76 million dollars so he can play for this other team.
BingoBoingo: (other los angeles team meaning, not the Dodgers)
mircea_popescu: this guy sounds like adrian mutu (ro footballer).
mircea_popescu: chelsea playing the role of la.
BingoBoingo: Quite a bit older than Mutu. Hamilton also played for the Texas team before, in his past life when he was good.
BingoBoingo: But when he went to LA coach made him quit chewing tobacco in the dugout and... It's hard to smash a baseball at an elite level while in the throes of nicotine withdrawal
mircea_popescu: i suppose nobody is laying the 120mn loss at the feet of the idiotic coach ?
mircea_popescu: "he followed industry standards" so immunity.
BingoBoingo: Well the whole ownership group of that team is fucked. They have about a Billion dollars tied up in contracts of people they signed just as their careers had peaked.
BingoBoingo: Seriously they sign Albert Pujols to a quarter Billion dollar contract and the next year... Their best player is a cost controlled rookie.
BingoBoingo: ;;google Mike Trout
gribble: Mike Trout Statistics and History | Baseball-Reference.com: <http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/t/troutmi01.shtml>; Mike Trout Stats, News, Pictures, Bio, Videos - Los Angeles Angels ...: <http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/30836/mike-trout>; Mike Trout - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Trout>
BingoBoingo: Four years later, Rookie isn't quite as cost controlled and still their best player
BingoBoingo: Josh Hamilton though is basically the Carl Mark Force IV of Los Angeles Sports. Devil couldn't pay enough to secure his love and clean living.
BingoBoingo: The Trout kid they got the cheap MVP years out of is still ok. They haven't broken him. Seems like he has staying power when the wikipedos say: "On April 17, 2015, Trout became the youngest player in MLB history to reach 100 home runs and 100 stolen bases.[100] He was 23 years and 253 days old when he reached the milestone, passing the previous record-holder, Alex Rodriguez, who had achieved it at the age of 23 years and 309 days
BingoBoingo: in 1999."
BingoBoingo: A morality tale could probably be woven out of all of this, but at the very least it illustrates the bezzel bucks sillicon valley pisses around aren't that big of a deal.
assbot: Baltimore protests | Reuters.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1GqN5cz )
trinque: bunch of delinquent kids throwing rocks, looks like
Pierre_Rochard: this is because steam started charging for mods right?
BingoBoingo: Who knows? Maybe Baltimore manages to get the win over the po-po before FBI agents like Sharpton walk them back to the fields.
BingoBoingo: Pierre_Rochard: It is because Barack Obama doesn't care about black lives.
Pierre_Rochard: ah, well, judging from the press conference, baltimore’s black leadership does not care about black lives either
BingoBoingo: Pierre_Rochard: "Black Leadership" is coded language for "FBI Provacateurs and Informants"
trinque: this could just be the most visible effect of an ever shittier economy
assbot: Stephanie Rawlings-Blake, Mayor ... ( http://bit.ly/1EL736M )
Pierre_Rochard: look at that haircut
Pierre_Rochard: so progressive
trinque: blacks tend to be on the poorest end
Pierre_Rochard: so empowered
mircea_popescu: <Pierre_Rochard> this is because steam started charging for mods right? << lol mioght even be
Pierre_Rochard: #gamersmatter #nofreemodsnopeace
trinque: lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75800 @ 0.00029461 = 22.3314 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: dude what's wrong with the woman's hairdo
BingoBoingo: ;;google conking
gribble: Conk - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conk>; Urban Dictionary: conk: <http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=conk>; conking - definition of conking by The Free Dictionary: <http://www.thefreedictionary.com/conking>
Pierre_Rochard: she’s going for the claire underwood female politician schtick
Pierre_Rochard: nothing wrong with it - probably the right approach, gotta dress the part etc
mircea_popescu: you're seeing too much in this
mircea_popescu: on the other hand, her makeup is atrocious and wtf is with the teeth already
Pierre_Rochard: another thing I noted - press conference had only black people speaking. Cops on the ground are mostly white
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37850 @ 0.00029974 = 11.3452 BTC [+] {2}
Pierre_Rochard puts color-blind glasses back on, reaffirms allegiance to the land of opportunity
mircea_popescu: you know why that is, too. cause fucktarded "press" derps woudl; talk of nothing else.
mircea_popescu: there's a very substantial "hay fire" effect. look at the fetlife derps : they got REALLYVERYANGRY!!11 for five minutes. once they couldn't do anything in that interval... well ok, it's no longer a thing now.
mircea_popescu: kinda how america works now : anything that can't be altered in a day is part of the permanent landscape by that fact. and so...
mircea_popescu: they'd have thrown a shitfit at the white speakers. that's it.
mike_c: <+mircea_popescu> mike_c hm, the timestamp gets sorted weirdly (alphabetical, so aug 2014 is after april 2013 etc) << looks right to me. link?
Pierre_Rochard: ^^ agreed
mike_c: maybe he forgot that aug 2014 actually did come after april 2013
ben_vulpes: buenos tardes
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ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: "first the planes, then and only then the women?" << what's the actual quote i'm looking for here
BingoBoingo: "Academic users can use and modify MIPSfpga as they wish, but cannot build it into silicon" >> http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/15/04/27/2010220/imagination-to-release-open-mips-design-to-academia
assbot: Imagination To Release Open MIPS Design To Academia - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jwpm0A )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: basic mips is perhaps 100 lines of verilog
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: can be written by any student who didn't sleep through -all- of 'system architecture'
ben_vulpes: you know, that kindergarten class
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Hence the astounding over all of the licensing derpations
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: "first the planes, then and only then the women?" << what's the actual quote i'm looking for here >>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACYB1XNs04w << here you go
assbot: Первым делом самолёты Небесный тихоход Перелетные Russia - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ey3LC1 )
ben_vulpes is sorely undereducated for the references in question
assbot: Текст песни Хор Турецкого - Мы, друзья, перелетные птицы перевод, слова, lyrics ... ( http://bit.ly/1EgFBKU )
asciilifeform: or no, not decent
asciilifeform: but there isn't another atm
ben_vulpes: resembles strongly the gtrans
asciilifeform: and hm, has extraneous crud in it
assbot: Потому что мы Пилоты - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1EgFYVM )
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i'm crapping out a rhymetranslation just for you, compadre
ben_vulpes: nowai!
ben_vulpes: i was going to go home and attempt a translation of my own...
ben_vulpes: (doods i put 6 new stickie notes in the "pipeline" column of my Wall o' Sales today)
asciilifeform: aaaalmost done
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, mircea_popescu, et al: http://dpaste.com/3Y5NGJQ.txt
asciilifeform: about 90% same meaning as orig.
asciilifeform wonders if mircea_popescu will take a stab at this puzzler
asciilifeform: like he did for 'the bugler'
asciilifeform: davout might also appreciate ^
asciilifeform: and mthreat, and any others who might agree with 'first things first, come the airplanes'
ben_vulpes is not sure about this position
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: re blockchain telegraphy: why bother even with the persistence layer? why not just transmit messages around in transactions that will never get included in blocks?
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> asciilifeform: re blockchain telegraphy: why bother even with the persistence layer? why not just transmit messages around in transactions that will never get included in blocks? << No way to ensure they get relayed
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: because delays
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo has it
asciilifeform: the block inclusion is the closest thing you get to synchronous comms
asciilifeform: mempool is a fart in the wind
ben_vulpes: what's so important about synchrony?
asciilifeform: having the slightest reason to think that the message made it to other end ?
asciilifeform: and other thing is, clients have tremendous incentive to drop mempool tx that is an obvious non-candidate for block
asciilifeform: the fact of currently-existing clients doing this half-heartedly, changes little
ben_vulpes: what is the incentive for a client to maintain anything in the mempool?
asciilifeform: what is the incentive to run a node at all ?
ben_vulpes: seriously, because i'm retarded: what is the incentive to keep a tx in the mempool that will be included in a block but not one that won't?
asciilifeform: one that won't - is garbage
asciilifeform: that is to say, something not properly 'of bitcoin'
asciilifeform: and sooner thrown out, the more room for legit tx.
asciilifeform: this is not a 'moral judgement' but clean observation re: what makes for an effective node
asciilifeform: just as rejecting obvious ddos is part of same
asciilifeform: my sketch for 'telegraph' was based on the axiom that only that which is irrevocably part of bitcoin proper, is worth building on
asciilifeform: whereas items that are 'poorly bolted down', and could tear loose, esp. in the face of tremendous pressure by enemy to disable telegraph - are not a foundation for anything
asciilifeform: and the sooner they die, in fact, the better.
asciilifeform: let the winds blow.
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell menahem sorry, bouncer failure. lost everything you sent me.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: in this sense, you in fact have -not- used bitcoin to transmit a message unless you wrote it into the blockchain -as transaction-
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: myeah, but chat (this one aside) is ephemeral
asciilifeform: (and not as the idiot header string or the other similar variants)
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: want ephemeral - use irc etc
asciilifeform: or use a session key
asciilifeform: there are actually a few applications which call for the blockchain telegraph
asciilifeform: and where literally nothing else will reasonably suffice.
asciilifeform: i use it there.
asciilifeform: if you don't know what they are - you do not have this problem.
asciilifeform: and you don't want to. sleep easier at night.
BingoBoingo: Telegrams are not chat. I mean when "STOP" is cheaper than "."
BaudotCreature: 5 bit bytes, steady fingers requires, 30 WPM
assbot: Logged on 27-04-2015 14:17:33; mircea_popescu: !rate justusranvier -1 I dunno, afaik he's just kinda derpy (see http://trilema.com/2015/what-amused-me-today/ etc) but my WoT hates him now, and so I can't in good conscience keep a meaningless +1, nor do I want to set it to 0 because then it gets deleted. Brb adding footnotes to this rating.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: let's phrase another way: if you're riding on something that can be monkeyed with en route without subverting bitcoin wholesale, you are not riding on bitcoin.
ben_vulpes: oh, surely
ben_vulpes: i'm not proposing mempool as persistence layer - even i'm not that braindead
BingoBoingo: Eh, braindead is better than parts being too alive in the wrong places
BingoBoingo: I'll throw this out again... Too many White Blood cells is possibru https://i.imgur.com/KsoGPjO.jpg
BingoBoingo: Which layers are grossly out of proportion in that centrifuged tube...
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