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decimation: stupid redhat doesn't supply zlib-static by default
asciilifeform: you don't need zlib!!!
asciilifeform: in bitcoin.
asciilifeform: it isn't used anywhere.
decimation: it wants to link
asciilifeform: nix it in the bitcoind make
asciilifeform: as shown in my old instructions.
decimation: also -l dl
asciilifeform: it doesn't ever get used.
decimation: does it dynamically load code?
decimation: why does it need libdl
asciilifeform: damned if i know. kill it.
asciilifeform: (winblows version may have used that)
BingoBoingo: !up jitenm
decimation: nano redhat calls static pthread pthread_nonshared.a
mod6: hrm. ok, i'm gonna try building without -l dl and -l z
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1AgYdWV )
mod6: ok thanks danielpbarron.
mod6: i'll have to figure out what needs to be different in the 32 bit version.
decimation: ok I got it to compile on centos6 but I had to add the following to the end of the linking command line: -static-libgcc -Wl,-Bstatic -l pthread_nonshared -Wl,-Bdynamic -l m -l dl
decimation: apparently centos doesn't come with a static libdl or libm
asciilifeform: why dl again
asciilifeform: zap it & say what dies
decimation: it puked without it
asciilifeform: let's see the puke
mod6: i wanna say that i ran into that as well.
mod6: cant recall for sure though
mod6: i'll know in a minute.
decimation: /build/ourlibs/lib/libcrypto.a(dso_dlfcn.o): In function `dlfcn_globallookup': dso_dlfcn.c:(.text+0x31): undefined reference to `dlopen'
mod6: ah yeah that
asciilifeform: wawhat
asciilifeform: is that in openssl ?
decimation: why is ssl linking to dl
mod6: danielpbarron: i think you have some other issues going on probably.
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decimation: asciilifeform: whatever you thought you knew about openssl is truer than you thnk
asciilifeform: which openssl this was again?
decimation: the label says 1.0.1g
asciilifeform: aahahaahaha.
mod6: danielpbarron: oh you're running this on ARM? this won't build on arm probably.
assbot: OPENSSL_config, OPENSSL_no_config - simple OpenSSL configuration functions ... ( http://bit.ly/1AgYJEd )
asciilifeform: achtung shitgnomologists!
asciilifeform: even if you like static builds, openssl slips dynamic code loading up your arse when you're not looking.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes, anyone else who gives a damn ^^^^
decimation: asciilifeform: does this really dynamically load crypto from disk at runtime?
assbot: engine - ENGINE cryptographic module support ... ( http://bit.ly/1AgYLvT )
decimation: who would ever think that is a good idea?
asciilifeform: decimation: ahaha, guess who
decimation: imma gonna load me critical pathways from a random .txt
asciilifeform: see fellas, when i said, 'hey hey ho ho openssl has got to go'
asciilifeform: i meant it
asciilifeform: and what's more, For Reasons
decimation: the paragraphs starts with "There are several reasons why calling the OpenSSL configuration routines is advisable."
decimation: and then fails to name a single reason
mod6: here's my output from no "-l dl" and no "-l z" in the makefile: http://dpaste.com/0YYYWEJ
assbot: dpaste: 0YYYWEJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1AgYXeM )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu wants a provably-correct replacement. can't disagree, but i personally probably won't get around to it until after the war.
asciilifeform: all you lot, i suggest, learn ada/spark.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> see fellas, when i said, 'hey hey ho ho openssl has got to go' << I'm with you .
decimation: mod6: yeah that's the same error
decimation: at any rate, you can probably cut n paste the parts of openssl you need
decimation: gonna take longer though
asciilifeform: decimation: nope
mod6: at some future point, we'll get the crypto libs built in directtly.
asciilifeform: try it
asciilifeform: it's a spittoon
asciilifeform: !s spittoon
assbot: 16 results for 'spittoon' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=spittoon
decimation: asciilifeform: for reasons...
decimation: is there a 'configure' arg you can pass to get rid of the -ldl stupidity
decimation: yeah
decimation: no-dso
mod6: ok if i re-add back in "-l dl" into the makefile, then I get this:
asciilifeform: worth a try
assbot: dpaste: 319C632 ... ( http://bit.ly/1AgZ7ml )
asciilifeform: see, i missed all of this because did not even suspect this level of shitgnomery
decimation: how did you get yours working asciilifeform?
mod6: which works, because those are just warnings. it does output a bitcoind in the bitcoin/src dir
decimation: mod6: try modding the openssl 'configure' stuff to use 'no-dso'
asciilifeform: decimation: i don't think i noticed/touched this knob
asciilifeform: this is why it helps to have >1 of us pay attention
mod6: here's a full shot: http://dpaste.com/06NAYCD
assbot: dpaste: 06NAYCD ... ( http://bit.ly/1AgZ8Xl )
asciilifeform: i suggest fixing by using a pre-heartbleed openssl
asciilifeform: if anyone has any reason why this is a bad idea, please suggest it
mod6: pre-heart bleed? like 0.9.8o or whatever?
asciilifeform: pre-1.0.1 iirc
decimation: not that heartbleed really matters for our purposes
decimation: or have we not snipped the rpc stuff yet
asciilifeform: it doesn't, if the https-snipper patch was merged.
mod6: well, it was 0.9.8o that was giving us the issues with the tx in the 168`001 block
asciilifeform: rpc is still in
asciilifeform: but i personally ripped out https
asciilifeform: mod6: did anyone ever fully crack the conundrum ?
decimation: yeah if you are commanding bitcoind on an untrusted network you are fucktarded
mod6: no, not yet. i've been focused on just getting a release out.
asciilifeform: could find boojum therein, one wholly worth the effort
mod6: yeah certainly.
mod6: ahh, my bad. sorry I didn't clairify
mod6: decimation: so no-dso gets passed to the openssl build?
decimation: yeah you put it on the Config arg line
mod6: ok, sweet, i'll give that a try now.
asciilifeform still suspects that: 168001 was a stealthfork
mod6: building...
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mod6: asciilifeform: it is certainly /strange/ that this problem occurs right after the last checkpoint in our version.
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decimation: ok I have to dynamically link -l m and now it works without -l dl
decimation: at least, it starts
mod6: alright gents, i added 'no-dso' to the openssl configure and removed "- dl" from the makefile, and it compiled just fine:
assbot: dpaste: 1HYJCGS ... ( http://bit.ly/1AgZMnQ )
decimation: me too
mod6: you had to add in
decimation: except for the dynamic -l m and pthread_nonshared
mod6: "-l m" ?
decimation: yep
decimation: it must be a redhat-ism
mod6: ah. ok.
mod6: well, that's good to know i guess in case of RH
mod6: so i'll re-submit that makefile patch and what will be v0.0.5 of the mod'd pogo script (with 'no-dso')
asciilifeform: neato
asciilifeform: builds, but does it run ?
decimation: ok you have to install glib-static on redhat
mod6: that bitcoind does run and start pulling blocks btw too
asciilifeform: aha!
asciilifeform: so this, then, is the new state of the art.
decimation: yes, 'strip out all the static libs 'cause it saves space'
assbot: dpaste: 0RFHH3E ... ( http://bit.ly/1AgZZHA )
mod6: i'll do some more sync testing once I get the changes we found tonight resubmitted to the mailing list.
mod6: this was highly productive tonight; I thank you all who helped!
decimation: no problem, good night
mod6: still have a moutain of work ahead, but we're on a good track.
decimation: ok so the only remaining redhatism is to strip out the 'realpath' thing and add '-l pthread_nonshared to the makefile
mod6: you too. many thanks.
mod6: decimation: i think, in interest of time.. perhaps (with your help/testing) we'll post a patch for the makefile & the auto.sh post release.
mod6: or at least once we have a "freeze"
mod6: then going forward, we'll add in more conditions into these things to account for various platforms/configurations
scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/03/winner-of-27k-bitcoins-purchased-at-usms-auction-revealed/
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mod6: danielpbarron: it would have been like line 34
mod6: i think 33 was "-l w"
mod6: im getting laaaaaged
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asciilifeform: qntra ddos ?
asciilifeform: somebody has cache ?
asciilifeform: also ddoslurkbot is back.
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Adlai: since lds has refused to comment, wouldn't a better title be "Winner Of 27K Bitcoins Allegedly Purchased At USMS Auction Alleged" ?
Adlai: asciilifeform: works for me just fine
asciilifeform: loads now aha
cazalla: it's working fine here
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BingoBoingo: !up wangxinxi
wangxinxi: Thanks BingoBoingo
mircea_popescu: <mod6> decimation: anyway, it totally works fine for me on my aws machine. << hehehe
mircea_popescu: !up mollison
assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 03:16:38; danielpbarron: fwiw, I got 50 USD worth of link clicks pointing at this -> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-03-2015#1042514
mircea_popescu: mod6: im glad we're all trying this now. << kinda the advantage of doing stuff here.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1049802 << i fail to be surprised.
assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 04:31:10; asciilifeform: even if you like static builds, openssl slips dynamic code loading up your arse when you're not looking.
mircea_popescu: also gotta upgrade to latest version
mircea_popescu: etc.
mircea_popescu: decimation: the paragraphs starts with "There are several reasons why calling the OpenSSL configuration routines is advisable." and then fails to name a single reason << the actual reasons are not the point, the statement that "there are reasons" is the point. fashion, no substance. you wanna be with the in crowd, don't you ? be hip, upgrade. there are reasons.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1049846 << iirc heartbled was replacement orifice.
assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 04:39:03; asciilifeform: if anyone has any reason why this is a bad idea, please suggest it
mircea_popescu: there's no clean openssl post ~2002.
mircea_popescu: i don't see anyone using 1999 version.
mircea_popescu: 0.9.4 and such bs.
assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 05:15:44; asciilifeform: qntra ddos ?
Adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-03-2015#1042552 << /methinks the civilians doth play too much vidya
assbot: Logged on 05-03-2015 04:19:56; decimation: asciilifeform: it's not even clear that having full auto ar-15's would be much of an advantage at all
mircea_popescu: trilema's been getting a shitton of traffic past week, maybe you got it on a blink.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1049914 << just about lol.
assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 05:19:15; Adlai: since lds has refused to comment, wouldn't a better title be "Winner Of 27K Bitcoins Allegedly Purchased At USMS Auction Alleged" ?
Adlai: there are so few situations where it's remotely helpful to have an assault rifle in full auto, afaict the risk of accidentally using full auto in any other situation make it "wasach" but nothing more
Adlai: "wasach" = army slang, from arabic 'weight' - ie, extra weight which doesn't help you, but you carry it around to look tough
mircea_popescu: those situations being providing cover
mircea_popescu: they're not that few, if you're actually fighting. as opposed to what regular armies regularly do.
assbot: USB Killer ... ( http://bit.ly/1C7RXFK )
fluffypony: want
Adlai: a bit of training and you can give MUCH better cover with *aimed* selective fire
mircea_popescu: depends if it's five of you or five hundred of you.
mircea_popescu: with batallion size deployments rolling auto is much more effectual than "selective" whatever, because people are weird. sorta like how women living together synch periods, soldiers end up all looking in the same spot.
Adlai: you can drain a 30 round magazine in ~10 seconds and get most of your shots on target, and all of them in the right direction; or drain it in ~3 seconds, overheat your barrel, and kill half your friends
Adlai: there are situations where "spraying" is exactly what you want, but there are better tools for that than 'assault rifle'
mircea_popescu agrees that in practical terms, the useful full auto is a shrinking space.
Adlai: on the contrary, there's a lot less picking off enemies hundreds of meters away, and a lot more 'clearing rooms'
mircea_popescu: it comes to us from a time of emplaced machine guns and stuff
mircea_popescu: nono, i meant "space".
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Adlai: in which sense?
mircea_popescu: lemme rephrase.
mircea_popescu agrees that in practical terms, the useful full auto is rarer and rarer
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Adlai: 'situations where full auto is what you want', or 'firearm which usefully implements full auto' ?
mircea_popescu: first.
fluffypony: first
mircea_popescu: well honestly the second too, but unrelatedly.
Adlai maintains that both of these are INcreasing, but neither has anything to do with the AR15 family
mircea_popescu: hahaha what.
fluffypony: I don't know enough about firearm development to speak to the second
mircea_popescu: "but brother, why do you try to rescue cost savings ? you know it;s in its nature to sting you". "yes. but it is in my nature to be stingy."
Adlai: full auto is very useful in urban "kill everything" warfare. no country likes admitting that's what they're training for, but they train for this too.
mircea_popescu: nonsense. what are you going to do, spray and pray ?
Adlai: that's what it's called
mircea_popescu: the only thing that's useful in urban warfare is hiding.
mircea_popescu: everything else is a liability.
Adlai: and artillery/air support, with a few guidance chips
mircea_popescu: hey, half the us casualties, gotta provide them somehow.
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mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mod6: im glad we're all trying this now. << kinda the advantage of doing stuff here. << true enough :]
mod6: night #b-a!
mircea_popescu: !up tsoulus
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cazalla: i guess i was wrong about danielpbarron being mircea_popescu because apparently asciilifeform is mircea_popescu http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2yrkh4/winner_of_27k_bitcoins_purchased_at_usms_auction/cpccmq0
assbot: usrn comments on Winner Of 27K Bitcoins Purchased At USMS Auction Revealed ... ( http://bit.ly/1MvazCt )
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fluffypony: cazalla: the comment about the incorrect use of "allegedly" is right, though
fluffypony: as a reporter you don't want to claim something as fact when it isn't, but the USMS holding 3 auctions is accepted enough that it doesn't have to be "alleged" :-P
Adlai: the allegation here is that the auctions were theater
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fluffypony: doesn't matter, the term is still used incorrectly
fluffypony: "apparently" would be a more appropriate term
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ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-03-2015#1048149 << what is the lisp concept and how is hickey crapping on it?
assbot: Logged on 11-03-2015 01:56:57; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i still fucking hate that piece. the sheer mendacity of rich hickey in saying 'simplicity matters' while crapping all over lisp concept
Adlai: ben_vulpes: for one, read macros
assbot: Loper OS » Nock Nock (Part 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1D97SVF )
ben_vulpes: i've yet to get to read macros in my studies
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ben_vulpes: re: 'mit' - feeder college for northrup grumman and loyal derpy armsmiths
Adlai: please don't go full cultard
Adlai: that's kinda like saying #b-a is feeder college for altcoin creators
fluffypony: lol
ben_vulpes: wink
ben_vulpes: nudge
ben_vulpes: elbow in ribs
ben_vulpes: sour grapes re youth wasted on the young
ben_vulpes: some mixture of all the above
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1049633 << oh just extreme naivte in thinking things like the bail on exit flag would be set the same way on other platforms
assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 02:58:53; mod6: ben addded those, not exactly sure what they do. lol.
ben_vulpes: bail on *error*
ben_vulpes: wtshit linux
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-03-2015#1049268 << cardano-like thinger over serial someday, one hopes
assbot: Logged on 11-03-2015 21:30:54; trinque: I'm thinking programmable light switch with ethernet port
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1wZaVhi )
trinque: ben_vulpes: sleep? never heard of it
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1049682 << hah i ran into this as well, thought it was due to mounting the working dir in from the host machine
assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 03:17:11; decimation: you need to add --lock-never to make it work, because I am using a shitty vm-mounted filesystem that doesn't support hardlinks
ben_vulpes: trinque: you know it
ben_vulpes: thick ass logs today
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1049735 << pastebin *specifically*. i've seen this again and again, eventually diddled something in my environment to keep it from happening.
assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 03:39:21; mod6: i don't even own or use a M$ machine, so it has to be the paste sites.
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1049802 << this is amazing
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 04:31:10; asciilifeform: even if you like static builds, openssl slips dynamic code loading up your arse when you're not looking.
ben_vulpes: jesus shit
ben_vulpes: so basically pwn the vm layer, pwn txn validation possibly?
ben_vulpes: knowing c it's probably just like hell breaks loose in the operating system
ben_vulpes: that filesystem code does whatever it wants to your balance, coins etc.
ben_vulpes: surely that's a paranoid jump too far.
ben_vulpes knows nothing about external libs and safety in c
Adlai: if you're going that far, a better approach would be inserting something that reports wallet.dat+password to a remote server, which waits until there's something worth stealing. one day, "all the bitcoins are gone"
ben_vulpes: bleeee
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ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1049856 << another reason why 0.5.3 needs getblock functionality. i can't trust anything out there, and the best way to handle bitcoins safely is to be able to canvass a mess of bitcoinds and make some decisions about how to squirt txns into the network
assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 04:41:19; decimation: yeah if you are commanding bitcoind on an untrusted network you are fucktarded
ben_vulpes: i kind of have to assume that any hardware i touch these days is wholly compromised
Adlai: fwiw, sending a relay node your transactions is no guarantee that a miner will see them
ben_vulpes: myeah
ben_vulpes: i'd actually like to see relay rules opened up
ben_vulpes: but i suppose that's what gossipd's for
Adlai: bitcoin-over-gossipd is rather useless without miners in the wot
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1049865 << see the impossible coincidence of http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1049868 .
assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 04:44:18; *: asciilifeform still suspects that: 168001 was a stealthfork
assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 04:45:02; mod6: asciilifeform: it is certainly /strange/ that this problem occurs right after the last checkpoint in our version.
ben_vulpes: Adlai: more along the lines of piggybacking messages on the btc txn relay network.
ben_vulpes: anyways, sleep doth conquer
gabriel_laddel: ben_vulpes: "what is the lisp concept and how is hickey crapping on it?" << the lisp concept is: "a crystalline pyramid of comprehensible mutually-interlocking concepts", see Thumbs Down for Clojure http://www.loper-os.org/?p=42 The parens (i.e., syntactical correspondence with ast) so far as I can tell are inescapable, but incidental. They are simply the most obvious product of the philosophy "sophistication blosso
assbot: Loper OS » Thumbs Down for Clojure ... ( http://bit.ly/1AojvBc )
gabriel_laddel: ms from comprehensibility".
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gabriel_laddel: !gettrust trinque
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gabriel_laddel: trinque: regarding "linux sucks but could be better" see the thread here http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2015#1036490
assbot: Logged on 01-03-2015 00:35:29; gabriel_laddel: Eh, perhaps I'm strange, but these things don't tickle me in the right places. Mountains of coke? Fun, surely, but it gets boring after a while...
gabriel_laddel: trinque: also, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-01-2015#992409
assbot: Logged on 26-01-2015 03:00:06; gabriel_laddel: I've actually done very little development for this dirtro. Most of my time has been spent finding perfect little individual peices and assembling them. Out of the box it has:
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gabriel_laddel: trinque: it seems to me that arguing with e.g., ascii as to if you can make linux less terrible is by and large useless sans the loot (useful technical tidbits) he drops occasionally. If you'd like to work on such a thing I can set you on the only sane path that I'm aware of, with justification as to why you'd do this instead of else.
Adlai: gabriel_laddel: what's the 'status' of your project?
gabriel_laddel: Adlai: currently pestering bezzle lords to pay my bills so I can finish it off
gabriel_laddel: right now I'm writing up a thing so that anyone can finish it off, in case I run into alphabet soup or w/e
Adlai: so not quite as bad as http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=10-03-2015#1047620
assbot: Logged on 10-03-2015 13:50:02; asciilifeform: adlai: shelved
gabriel_laddel: Adlai: Ascii wants to fix everything all at once. I understand his position but don't see how to accomplish it.
Adlai: no, he wants to fix everything from the bottom up
gabriel_laddel: Adlai: that is correct, my mistake.
Adlai: this is a workable approach, it just has higher capex demands (as opposed to 'all at once')
gabriel_laddel: Adlai: In any case, Emacs works just fine and is sufficently lispy without dropping the Von N. arch.
gabriel_laddel: and there is money to be made by exploiting the comprehensibility advantage
Adlai: sure, one of my big struggles lately is pushing myself to read slime source in the hope of contributing patches, rather than bemoaning that the bugs lurk in elisp and leaving it at that
Adlai is rapidly becoming the archetypical smug[common]lispweenie
gabriel_laddel: :)
gabriel_laddel: I fucking hate elisp, and happily cut much of it out of Masamune.
gabriel_laddel: I currently edit english text in Climacs sometimes
Adlai: ah, it supports clim!
gabriel_laddel: Perhaps I'll have the chance to clean up the CL interface at some point.
gabriel_laddel: ah, it supports clim! << yep
gabriel_laddel: !s screenshots
assbot: 35 results for 'screenshots' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=screenshots
gabriel_laddel: Adlai: some clim stuff
assbot: Logged on 26-01-2015 02:28:29; gabriel_laddel: http://i.imgur.com/YDS7DZR.png http://i.imgur.com/er5HT6O.png http://i.imgur.com/nsvxhzs.png http://i.imgur.com/Ius6a3h.png
gabriel_laddel: And I'm off for nicotine and a walk. Toodles.
Adlai: o/
Adlai: "Killed buffer" << even the lispiest abstractions leak
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44650 @ 0.00040205 = 17.9515 BTC [+]
Adlai desperately hopes that '21' are trying to commoditize asic mining, rather than just another mining ktulu
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77300 @ 0.00037616 = 29.0772 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35122 @ 0.00039583 = 13.9023 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48278 @ 0.0004024 = 19.4271 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79900 @ 0.00037102 = 29.6445 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6726 @ 0.00037102 = 2.4955 BTC [-]
Adlai: !s height=
assbot: 199 results for 'height=' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=height%3D
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69300 @ 0.00037762 = 26.1691 BTC [+]
davout: very skill, much wow
assbot: Trust me I'm Mechanic Engineer. - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1L1AiFs )
Adlai: trust me, i speak asslish
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29620 @ 0.00039614 = 11.7337 BTC [+]
jurov: these openssl shenanigans...anyone tried libressl if it, say, needs -ldl?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30550 @ 0.00039614 = 12.1021 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 99 @ 0.014 = 1.386 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 242409 @ 0.00036706 = 88.9786 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1xgx70R )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23300 @ 0.00039904 = 9.2976 BTC [+]
Adlai: the hardcore version of "created an account just to upvote this"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45000 @ 0.00040102 = 18.0459 BTC [+] {3}
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: i'm rather surprised it took them so long to hook up the goldpricedumpatron to btc << You once said, "USG is still trying to find way to put lead into bitcoin bars."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15000 @ 0.00039334 = 5.9001 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34000 @ 0.00039442 = 13.4103 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 302 @ 0.0041 = 1.2382 BTC [-] {3}
fluffypony: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2yrkh4/winner_of_27k_bitcoins_purchased_at_usms_auction/cpclco3?context=5
assbot: fluffyponyza comments on Winner Of 27K Bitcoins Purchased At USMS Auction Revealed ... ( http://bit.ly/1C92ksE )
fluffypony: apparently I'm financially involved with Qntra
fluffypony: who knew
PeterL: do you own any shares?
fluffypony: nope
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63750 @ 0.00038078 = 24.2747 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4797 @ 0.00038078 = 1.8266 BTC [-]
PeterL: why would anybody pay to use reddit?
jurov: for reddit bezzlegold
PeterL: so you need to do 9 unpaid spams for each spam you are paid to produce? More spam is better spam!
fluffypony: danielpbarron: yes, there's a 10% rule
assbot: selfpromotion - reddit.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1C9485c )
assbot: faq - reddit.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1C94jgF )
fluffypony: "If over 10% of your submissions and conversation are your own site/content/affiliate links, you're almost certainly a spammer."
fluffypony: and not spamming is one of the 5 rules Reddit actually has: http://www.reddit.com/rules/
assbot: reddit.com: rules of reddit ... ( http://bit.ly/1C94tVs )
fluffypony: the rest are just recommendations (eg. reddiquette) or sub-reddit specific rules that anyone can make
chetty: all these years and still people feed the trolls
PeterL: http://xkcd.com/1385/ << reddit fits too
assbot: xkcd: Throwing Rocks ... ( http://bit.ly/1C94YPk )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4135 @ 0.00038078 = 1.5745 BTC [-]
PeterL: anonominity helps the derps feel better about not mattering, since nobody else can matter either
mats: rip pratchett
PeterL: I've been reading through his books lately, quite funny stuff in there
PeterL: A while ago I got the entire discworld series as ebooks for like 0.005 btc, back when a btc was about 10 bucks
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37350 @ 0.0004024 = 15.0296 BTC [+]
fluffypony: danielpbarron: they mean don't post someone else's personal information
fluffypony: unless it is commonly public, eg. domain whois details
fluffypony: the problem is that Reddit tends to breed "investigators" that post about what they've "discovered", when meantime it's pure conjecture
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89450 @ 0.00040268 = 36.0197 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40515 @ 0.00039552 = 16.0245 BTC [-]
PeterL: you know what is annoying? online articles which are split into pages. It is a webpage, I should be able to keep scrolling down, instead of increasing the "click numbers" for advertising!
PeterL: (another reason why qntra is better than so many other news sites)
PeterL: would be fine as an article if the whole things is all on one page! grumble grumble
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49709 @ 0.00038135 = 18.9565 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47900 @ 0.00037497 = 17.9611 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7550 @ 0.00038135 = 2.8792 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9500 @ 0.00037497 = 3.5622 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25110 @ 0.00034888 = 8.7604 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: danielpbarron: I'm totally doing an onion spoof with it
mats: http://chargen.matasano.com/chargen/2015/1/6/bypassing-openssl-certificate-pinning-in-ios-apps.html
assbot: Bypassing OpenSSL Certificate Pinning in iOS Apps - Blog - Matasano Security ... ( http://bit.ly/18DVOhr )
asciilifeform: mats: old nyooz
mats: :(
mats: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/03/12/nsas_on_drugs_infosec_bods_unveil_space_grade_malware kek
assbot: Kaspersky claims to have found NSA's 'space station malware' • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/18DWdAB )
mats: (nothing new here, just amusing)
asciilifeform: more re: disk fw diddler ?
mod6: jurov: can you see if a message got snarffed from the btc-dev list, i sent one in with the subject "Static Makefile Patch v0.0.2"
mod6: had 2 attachments, a .patch file and a .sig file
mats: related to framework that enables diddling
mod6: all sigs verify.
assbot: FCC-15-24A1 ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bw7caN )
asciilifeform: mats: i for one am still puzzled by kaspersky's use of the idiot euphemism 'equationgroup'
mats: its all about the clicks, man
asciilifeform: mats: when the actual authorship is plain as daylight
mats: math, computers, fingerless gloves, all the tropes are there
asciilifeform: mats or anybody else: if you have the disk diddler sample, post it
asciilifeform: crapware artists around the world will appreciate the ready-baked fw diddlamatic library, as will winblows users!
asciilifeform: https://securelist.com/files/2015/02/Equation_group_questions_and_answers.pdf << pp. 32,33 have hashes.
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/18DYCes )
scoopbot: New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/argentina-for-business/
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'Why would a property in a peso land be worth dollars ? Oh, because the peso is shit, they readily explain to you. Well, if the peso is shit, why do you imagine your real estate is worth anything at all ? ' << because if it were 10 usd, a beggar from calcutta would buy it and live in it; if it were 10K usd, i'd buy it; if it were 100K usd, american speculator corps. would buy it. so it has to be 150K.
asciilifeform: m4rk3tz
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 399 @ 0.01318937 = 5.2626 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93650 @ 0.00035843 = 33.567 BTC [-] {3}
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'unlike anywhere in the civilised world, the Argentines rent unfurnished.' << wai wat?! most rental pads where i live are unfurnished - just the way i like it (wtf to do with the incl. furniture if you have your own?)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'Well... truth is a lot more complicated than that - in many places, in most places really national sovereignity is implemented as "being incredibly stupid in our own special way", which is of course neither "their own" in any sense nor to any degree special. This has to be broken down...' << aha colonization.
Adlai wonders how http://trilema.com/2015/argentina-for-business/#footnote_1_60514 fits with https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzQuuoKXVq0
assbot: Argentina for business pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/18E2Cf6 )
assbot: EUROPA & ITALIA - Europe vs Italy - Bruno Bozzetto (Official) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/18E2Cvq )
asciilifeform: thing is, colonizing power is not necessarily a civilizing one. how'd ya like ru colonial period in ro?
Adlai: on that scale, israel = 'italia baribua' (squared)
mod6: jurov: i don't think the mailing list is working. it has snarffed 2 different messages from me so far today. i know the sigs are good on each & attachments.
mod6: ;;later tell jurov btc-dev mailing list is snarffing messages again
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81355 @ 0.00034863 = 28.3628 BTC [-] {4}
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell fluffypony You could have also pointed out that there's 496 total posts on qntra compared to the small portion of those on Reddit
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: So, phun phakt time
asciilifeform: on 2/18 i ordered some boards made at 'macrofab'
asciilifeform: they were mailed out, according to the latter, on 3/10
asciilifeform: today u.s. post office tracker reads 'delivered, 10:35am', 'Waiver of signature was exercised at time of delivery.'
asciilifeform: funny thing is, i have cameras. and they show that no one crossed perimeter until postman around 1400 hrs (with only junk mail.)
asciilifeform: and i did not authorize the 'no signature' crap.
BingoBoingo: Sounds very phun
asciilifeform: no idea if anyone gives a fuck, but it is quite reminiscent of mircea_popescu's experience when i happened to mail him something last year.
trinque: asciilifeform: well established that mail gets rerouted to diddle-factories
asciilifeform: i think this one went to /dev/null
cazalla: they don't even knock on your door here, they just stick a "we missed you" notice in the letter box and force you to pick it up from the local post office yourself.. god forbid the postman knock at your door and wait for you to answer
chetty: hmm isnt there a coffee shop around there you can check for it?
asciilifeform: cazalla: this wasn't a 'missed delivery' thing
asciilifeform: those get a door sticker, yes, and appropriate text in the www tracking gizmo
Adlai had to pick up his reserve summons - A PIECE OF PAPER - at the post office
Adlai: package slip in the mailbox was identical to the kind indicating eg miner
trinque: I highly suspect they tag people to fuck with
trinque: not that I'm interesting enough to have had this happen
Adlai got asked to turn on and log in his laptop at CDG while just transferring through, had to explain stumpwm
trinque: Adlai: heh! terrorist
trinque: looks like hacker stuff to me
asciilifeform: Adlai: i still don't get this notion where t3rr0s1stz -somehow must- replace -all- of the cells in the battery with plastique, instead of only half
Adlai: it's the ponytail. flew through in september with a hobo mop, no comment. look like a dealer or hacker? step aside please.
asciilifeform: funny thing is, i won't be surprised if it does show up some time tomorrow
asciilifeform: seen this before.
asciilifeform: postman hits 'delivered' on his turdpad while it's still in the truck
asciilifeform: (why? no one knows)
trinque: non-govt mail tends to be much better
asciilifeform: trinque: vendor did not offer options for shipment
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why do you mean no one knows lol. they gotta make the targets.
asciilifeform: ^ probably this
mircea_popescu: cazalla "usrn -1 points 10 hours ago Doesn't make any difference." << lawl.
mircea_popescu: "mp is bad mmkay!11" "you know the only reason you eat is his tolerant magnanimity" "doesn't make a diference".
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1049998 << accepted by reddit does not make it accepted.
assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 08:58:59; fluffypony: as a reporter you don't want to claim something as fact when it isn't, but the USMS holding 3 auctions is accepted enough that it doesn't have to be "alleged" :-P
mircea_popescu: that the usms claims to have held auctions is undisputed. that it in fact did not is also plainly factual.
mircea_popescu: and this is why "apparently" is not more appropriate. the locus of power is b-a, not usg. when we say something here, fact or no fact, it becomes "apparently", like it or not like it.
mircea_popescu: when usg says something, it becomes allegedly, and until and unless it receives our imprimatur, it STAYS allegedly.
mircea_popescu: and thus, bush allegedly won the 2nd electoral term.
asciilifeform: is 'auction' where shill guaranteed to win still called 'auction' ?
asciilifeform: or something else.
mircea_popescu: well... allegedly.
mircea_popescu: it's a tardstalk auction, basically.
mircea_popescu: who was that guy kakobrekla really liked, cognitive-something. kept making these and then posing into the forum's ethics board.
mircea_popescu: !up Aquent
asciilifeform: to the extent something takes place on a known muppet theatre stage, it is not even all that important to go into the supposed 'motivations' of the muppets, when you can plainly see the arms growing out of their arses
Aquent: did you buy 27k btc from the marshals mircea_popescu ?
chetty: lmao
mircea_popescu: i didn't make a statement on that.
Aquent: yey or ney
asciilifeform: Aquent: around here we buy only direct from hitler
mircea_popescu: ahaha that ben_vulpes / adlai cultard thing. i'm bashing it.
Aquent: ppl are saying you did
Aquent: so you want to deny it?
mircea_popescu: we should prolly hold a call vote see how mit is regarded, i thought it unanimously despised.
mircea_popescu: Aquent i don't want to anything dood. you want to, an' so far it's not going too well.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'm enthusiastically in favour of either bulldozing or turning into leprosorium
asciilifeform: (mit)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ironically, 50 years ago it was tip top
asciilifeform: as recently as 30!
mircea_popescu: arguably yes.
chetty: whoa, what 'ppl are saying?'
Aquent: well how did you come up with this name
Aquent: this guy - what was the name again
mircea_popescu: with what name ?
Aquent: like no evidence no connection just some name
mircea_popescu: you talking bout cazalla's article on qntra ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 220450 @ 0.00033231 = 73.2577 BTC [-] {4}
Aquent: yes
mircea_popescu: well you better ask him then neh ?
Aquent: Larry Dean Silvey
trinque: the article itself gives its evidence
Aquent: does it?
cazalla: Aquent, not everything that pointed to him is included in the article
Aquent: not anything that points to him is included
trinque: the bit about the tweeted address is there
mircea_popescu: the beauty of the internets, srsly. who the hell ever called up w r hearst to inquire about whatever points of minutia in some goddard article.
mircea_popescu: we've clearly progressed.
Aquent: lol
Aquent: beauty of journalism innit
Aquent: to do that research for me to easily read it
Aquent: not do my own
mircea_popescu: has little to do with journalism an' everything to do with... wel, irc, basically, and the very republican roots of la serenissima.
Aquent: mircea_popescu if you did win the auction how much would have you paid per btc?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1050043 << this is technically possible and not a negligible avenue of attack.
assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 10:20:24; ben_vulpes: that filesystem code does whatever it wants to your balance, coins etc.
mircea_popescu: i can readily see in the future "special" hard drives being made.
mircea_popescu: Aquent i didn't make a statement about that, either.
asciilifeform: re: post office idiocy: i fully expect that before the era of usg is over, 'serenissima' cargo will routinely travel with real-time ir camera (and 'glonass') feed from inside the box.
mircea_popescu: in other news, http://i.imgur.com/SZFFlf1.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1BwJFXl )
Aquent: I didn't say you did
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'special' hard drives made presently.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so you open it by the stove.
asciilifeform: neh i meant - belonging to sender or receiver
mircea_popescu: oh
asciilifeform: a precious and carefully-sewn item
asciilifeform: sent back, forth...
asciilifeform: between phriends
asciilifeform: if real-time satellite is costly and unreliable, a 'poor man's' version will contain two rsa keys. one will sign every frame and globe coordinate tuple -until package is opened-, the other - after
asciilifeform: with the usual caveats re: sensor cat-mouse games
mircea_popescu: i don't imagine that anyone cares this much.
asciilifeform: depends what is moving, no?
mircea_popescu: cheaper to use sluts curriers only.
mircea_popescu: currently it's about half girls anyway
asciilifeform: and who said inapplicable for living courier
asciilifeform: iirc diplomatic mail already works quite like this.
asciilifeform: with addition of manual pull ring for courier in case he is being poked
asciilifeform: (thermite)
mircea_popescu: something like that.
asciilifeform: an absolutely-perfect $maxint gadget is not necessary to utterly deter idiots from fucking with mail
asciilifeform: because their faced will be on 'youtube' etc. in real time.
asciilifeform: *faces
asciilifeform: and coordinates
mircea_popescu: mail is not opened by hand
asciilifeform: depends which set of idiots
asciilifeform: when -from- 'respectable' folks like cisco - yes, by hand, stable of monkeys (its exact location was in #b-a not long ago)
mircea_popescu: also true.
assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 11:59:26; gabriel_laddel: Adlai: currently pestering bezzle lords to pay my bills so I can finish it off
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1050086 << well, fwiw it's a worthy thing to do.
assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 12:03:56; Adlai: sure, one of my big struggles lately is pushing myself to read slime source in the hope of contributing patches, rather than bemoaning that the bugs lurk in elisp and leaving it at that
asciilifeform: Adlai: it is quite a feat to bring oneself to program in elisp after working with proper common lisp. don't know how you manage it. (iron will?)
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1050103 << don't be ridiculous. for one thing, commodizing asic mining is a larger task than commodizing cpu arch. for the other, they're a fucking sv corp, they're not going to DO ANYTHING. just sit around and talk about shit. preferably at "conferences", or else "liveblog" it.
assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 12:22:05; *: Adlai desperately hopes that '21' are trying to commoditize asic mining, rather than just another mining ktulu
asciilifeform: 'commoditize' is a very, very odd thing for anyone to wish to do to mining.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1050118 << tyhe problem is that baked in bitcoin dependencies can not be replaced.
assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 13:17:45; jurov: these openssl shenanigans...anyone tried libressl if it, say, needs -ldl?
mircea_popescu: EVEN IF "it works now"
Adlai has babbled about such concepts to vc-types while orbiting those circles (at a safe distance), there's always the faint glimmer of hope that a good meme takes root
mircea_popescu: the only solution is to pull in the relevant code and encase it in acrylate.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 132400 @ 0.0003337 = 44.1819 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: which is roughly what the power rangers figured out eventually too.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: read openssl. it's a spittoon.
mircea_popescu: Adlai that faint glimmer reflects principally your tender years.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and, no, they didn't. they rewrote haphazardly and went 'so it works, stfu'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no practical considerations will interfere with my strategic management!!1
asciilifeform: l0lziez
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't mean in the past. i mean for the future. they're trying to make a "special file".
mircea_popescu: put all the braindamage in there.
assbot: Quotes Falsely Attributed ... ( http://bit.ly/1BwPdRr )
mircea_popescu: heh
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron 66 shitty twitter clicks are worth 50 bucks in the lalaland whjere twitter is a public company and so on and so forth.
mircea_popescu: otherwise, they're a coupla hundred bucks to the million.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony that's some kickass research on reddit submissions ? do you like do this professionally or something ?
assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 15:28:00; danielpbarron: "how dare they get paid to write when I have to pay reddit!!1"
asciilifeform: update on 'macrofab' - vendor apologized, insists that they did not authorize 'no signature', offers to do another run (schedule unspecified) gratis
asciilifeform: if thing doesn't show up by end of wk
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1050161 << the chemist got it.
assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 15:39:19; PeterL: anonominity helps the derps feel better about not mattering, since nobody else can matter either
mircea_popescu: animality, anonimity, what the hell's the difference.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so vendor knows they never shipped.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i wrote in a 'wtf'
asciilifeform: shortly before sharing the tale
mircea_popescu: seems this process would have sunk them by now, but hey.
asciilifeform: 'macrofab' opened ~1 mo. ago
asciilifeform: and is, afaik, presently the only outfit of its kind
asciilifeform: (who knows how long will last, or even if works. i was going to learn something by opening that crate...)
mircea_popescu: aite, i take it back, we see.
asciilifeform: it'd still have a 'too good to be true' flavour were it at 10x the quoted price - so i'm not expecting much
Adlai: even if you think both of those are tentacles of the same octopusg, they do have independent nervous systems
asciilifeform: Adlai: the tentacles, where i stand, flail wildly and without purpose
asciilifeform: Adlai: i know this because of being still alive
Adlai: sure
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1050204 << just to blow your mind : you are speaking to a man who has bought that sort of thing (apartment, 3 rooms, 75 sqm) for 350 dollars.
assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 17:10:37; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'Why would a property in a peso land be worth dollars ? Oh, because the peso is shit, they readily explain to you. Well, if the peso is shit, why do you imagine your real estate is worth anything at all ? ' << because if it were 10 usd, a beggar from calcutta would buy it and live in it; if it were 10K usd, i'd buy it; if it were 100K usd, american speculator corps. would buy it. so it
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: betcha you had to spend more than 350 to turn into the sort of fella who might open the door behind which it costs 350.
asciilifeform: 'linux is free if...' etc
Adlai: both hands thinking they're the right one is functionally equivalent to 'all thumbs'
mircea_popescu: Adlai you know, you should probably write an exhaustive discussion of the cult an' publish it on yoru blog, rather than bottle it up and end up pankkake'd.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nope.
Adlai has a blog?
mircea_popescu: make one.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ok i'll bite. where do i buy one.
mircea_popescu: gorj, romania's lignite mining county, finally had govt subsidies cut after 5 years of the mines n olonger being economically workable.
asciilifeform: and i think i'd like a 'boeing' too, for 250.
mircea_popescu: prices collapsed, an apt could be had for a working color tv.\
mircea_popescu: because everyone wanted to just fucking leave.
mircea_popescu: it came back to sense within a decade.
mircea_popescu: this was an earlier time in romania : foreigners weren't allowed to own property, like in fucking burma, and locals were the sort of retards the soviet collapse left behind,
asciilifeform: as i understand it costs more than that to have your title not magicked away by the 'big boy' privatizers in the locale
mircea_popescu: not the slightest clue of a commercial spirit.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you misunderstand. no title was ever magicked.
asciilifeform: aha if no foreigners, even easier
asciilifeform: that's the only way prices like this can exist
mircea_popescu: yup
asciilifeform: or soros et al would snap up the whole shebang
mircea_popescu: worthless dollars being worthless, of course.
asciilifeform: only'
asciilifeform: ' 500k 'worthless' dollars buy a moscow flat
asciilifeform: today.
mircea_popescu: Adlai there's nothing wrong with hatin' an' railin'. on the contrary. meanwhile the attempt to not do so seems to be damaging for the attempter.
mircea_popescu: i wouldn't live in moscow if the flat were free.
asciilifeform: just example.
Adlai isn't hating and generally doesn't reach critical mass of serialized words to justify a 'blog'
mircea_popescu: Adlai just a thought.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1050208 << why the fuck would you own furniture in excess of the real estate you own ?
assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 17:15:40; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'unlike anywhere in the civilised world, the Argentines rent unfurnished.' << wai wat?! most rental pads where i live are unfurnished - just the way i like it (wtf to do with the incl. furniture if you have your own?)
mircea_popescu: this is like renting cars without the engine. "because i have an engine"
mircea_popescu: why the fuck are you going around with an debodied engine!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not in excess. in exactly the correct volume.
mircea_popescu: to rent means, ready to use.
mircea_popescu: if i rent i expect to take the keys, take a girl there and fuck her in this order.
asciilifeform: but no, i don't have precisely same items to put in rented space as the neighbouring derps
mircea_popescu: if i wanted a place to work on i'd buy it.
Adlai has also been busy with the likes of https://github.com/adlai/bip0032sbcl/commit/d5b1b52
assbot: http://www.dorodango.com/create.html · d5b1b52 · adlai/bip0032sbcl · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mwt35I )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so then you're muddying the discussion up by being one of those who lives in a warehouse
mircea_popescu: obviously warehouses are rented empty whether you live in them or not.
mircea_popescu: this is residential not commercial space we're discussing here.
asciilifeform: Adlai: aaargh, is that a shell callout!? wtf
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: speaking of my actual residence here
asciilifeform: i -like- my desk, chair, etc. don't want 'generic' ones when i move
chetty: germany unfurnished apts didnt even have a kitchen sink
mircea_popescu: you're nuts, the lot of you.
Adlai: asciilifeform: i've not yet polished hdw, the only reason i touched that file is so the commit would still pass tests
Adlai: (guy used a defconstant symbol as a local variable)
mircea_popescu: who the fuck cares about the desk! and a chair, whatever, you just... buy a new one! that fits!
mircea_popescu: what sort of consumerist culture is this anymore!
asciilifeform: Adlai: and srsly, sha256 as a callout?! it's a pg or 2
Adlai will lift from ironclad when the time comes
trinque: mircea_popescu: do you know how long it takes to get the perfect ass crease in an office chair?!
Adlai: (with the medium/long plan, if this thing reaches usable quality, being backporting)
Adlai: or upstreaming
Adlai: or whatever the kids call it
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if were moving to, wherever, jp, yes - things more economical to buy 2nd time than ship - would
mircea_popescu: trinque i never used a chair for more than i dunno, a year ? two ?
asciilifeform: but that isn't 100% of furniture
chetty: <trinque> mircea_popescu: do you know how long it takes to get the perfect ass crease in an office chair?!// longer than modern ones last
trinque: haha
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you also go around with your bed ?
mircea_popescu: "this is my bed, my grandmother died in it"
asciilifeform: phun phakt: i once had a costly, 'premium' type office chair spontaneously convert into a stake
Adlai: ;;ud chair ass
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Chair+Ass | Chair Ass. The natural effect of the slow growth and spread of a clerical worker's physical frame, across the span of years of combining vending machine snack ...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform kinda why you change them yearly.
Adlai: clerical workers, the lot o ya
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: or use one made 20+ yrs ago
trinque: Adlai: standing desk is where it's at
trinque: better for pacing angrily
assbot: Homer - Ass Groove - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1BwZOvL )
asciilifeform: my brother works in a chair that almost certainly was once at 'bell labs'
mircea_popescu: look, if you're going to fill a place with antiques, YOU SHOULD NOT BE RENTING IT
asciilifeform: it is indestructible.
mircea_popescu: antiques suffer from transport, and wtf do you even want to put nice furniture in a place you don't like.,
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: yes, plainly antiques should only travel in atomic dirigible
asciilifeform: for the rest of us, who don't have access to $maxint - they sit in rented hovels, yes
chetty: oo thats what I want a desk that goes up and down so you can sit or stand :D
asciilifeform: chetty: we have these where i work
asciilifeform: chetty: overrated imho
Adlai: !s ikea shelf
assbot: 0 results for 'ikea shelf' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=ikea+shelf
mircea_popescu: basically, you're in this space that doens't eixst, at all. there's a) real estate you own, and you like enough to own, which contains furniture of value proprotionate to that. and b) real estate you don't give a shit about, if you come back to find it ablaze you just shrug and move on.
mircea_popescu: yours is some sort of insane c) where it has all the disadvantages of both.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu is approximately correct
mircea_popescu: well so then, here's an idle thought :
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu is puzzled because he can afford sanity
mircea_popescu: the reason you find it so hard to escape the gravity well is in no small part due to the fact that you;ve spent many decades making the wrong decisions and they're a bitch to undo.
asciilifeform: but over here we live in demented pauper-land where sanity is a premium product available to select few.
mircea_popescu: hardest of all is to move from c).
asciilifeform: decades << not quite decade
mircea_popescu: may explain why you're even contemplating the alien insanity, instead of just telling me i'm evil.
asciilifeform: but otherwise a nearly obvious description of what a gravity well even is
mircea_popescu: i guess so huh.
asciilifeform: i mean no shit, it sucks and no one would climb in on his own volition
asciilifeform: if knew what's in the tank
mircea_popescu: myeah. i see it. well... i feel better for having discussed it!
asciilifeform: but i probably should elaborate a little
asciilifeform: would happily set fire to all of it if had the other half of the conundrum licked
mircea_popescu: that's a rare man, and a virtually inexistent woman.
chetty: I beg your pardon
asciilifeform: l0l
trinque: easier when you're poor, heh. I've moved across the country several times, selling all the crap that didn't fit in a car
asciilifeform: trinque: i used to be 'theoretical'
mircea_popescu: chetty it's rare. you know it's rare.
asciilifeform: which is what i call folks who don't need any physical plant
trinque: better to advance the career, get another tv or whatever
asciilifeform: a good friend of mine is 'theoretical'
trinque: asciilifeform: ah yeah, I am mostly bits
asciilifeform: a mathematician
asciilifeform: i envy him often
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> which is what i call folks who don't need any physical plant << which is why i said i was a theoretical physicist :)
trinque: heh!
chetty: rare it may be, but it does exist
mircea_popescu: it does.
mircea_popescu: hey, i covered my ass with that virtually in there.
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: yeah, when he accused me of having a financial interest I got bored
asciilifeform: i trained the pet, inadvertantly, by threatening, for some years, to move us into a ship
fluffypony: stupid moron
asciilifeform: (which at one point wanted to do)
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the what's his name disease
mircea_popescu: orlov
asciilifeform: aha
mircea_popescu: i've been on ships. they suck.
mircea_popescu: fucking bilge, nuff said.
asciilifeform: know what else sucks?
asciilifeform: living on land in gringolandia
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: I don't redditard professionally, I used PRAW + some python to grab the info and then shoved it into Excel of all things
asciilifeform: on $smallint
mircea_popescu: fluffypony well the results were so out of place for the venue. like... wow.
asciilifeform: on the ship you get the thing americans pay $maxint for - maximize distance from nearest human on command - for $0.
mircea_popescu: well, for $gas
fluffypony: I was very annoyed :-P
asciilifeform: sail.
mircea_popescu: op get the motherfucking fuck out.
asciilifeform: (orlov has a small engine, he claims only for parking)
mircea_popescu: you were going to live on a sailboat ?
mircea_popescu: what are you, a cartoon character ?
asciilifeform: had idea before reading mr o, but it was him who demonstrated that it can be done on something less than orbital budget
asciilifeform: anyway, i'm not satisfied presently with his demonstration. he cheated.
mircea_popescu: you ever like... i dunno, ever had a friend in porn invite you to spend a while with a coupla girls on a yacht ? or generally, spent any time on a sail vessel ?
asciilifeform is not an expert or veteran of the art. but also is not esp. susceptible to motion sickness
mircea_popescu: but have you ever spent, a whole day, on a sail anything, at sea.
asciilifeform: nope.
mircea_popescu: yes. well, before you expend any serious money / other resources on this, do that.
trinque: the sail really gets the thing swaying
mircea_popescu: you can not begin to imagine how fucking inconvenient it is. at all.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: for this and other reasons decided that 'too orbital' for budget constraint.
mircea_popescu: i mean sure, as an outing, soemthing to do for a day or w/e, great. splendid sport.
mircea_popescu: but otherwise, jail is BY FAR more comfortable.
mircea_popescu: you wouldn't want to live in a bob sleigh or inside your go-kart either. it's not that dissimilar.
asciilifeform searches memory for historical figures who are known to have done any serious thinking while under sail
mircea_popescu: nelson, for one.
mircea_popescu: but he sailed an english manowar.
asciilifeform: aha
mircea_popescu: also franklin. but he sailed english ocean liners.
mircea_popescu: also twain, same.
mircea_popescu: none of these are the thing here discussed.
asciilifeform: at any rate, mr o spends most of his time at anchor
mircea_popescu: because "he chooses to" right ?
asciilifeform: the machine, as i understand, is for reasonably quick, inexpensive, and unobtrusive jurisdiction-switching
mircea_popescu: would be a shitload cheaper to just rent serially. FURNISHED appartments.
asciilifeform: as well as climate-switching
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: air travel -> arse inspection. sail - not yet (doesn't scale well)
mircea_popescu: yeah, sure, because he couldn't be served just as well by a common bus.
asciilifeform: bus to uninhabited islands ?
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asciilifeform: boat is a machine for getting away from fucking humans
asciilifeform: bus, passenger plane, auto - no.
mircea_popescu: mkay.
mircea_popescu: i propose this matter still needs a lot more thinking.
asciilifeform: it solves an actual problem, that some folks perceive themselves as having
asciilifeform: which is the one in 'stand on zanzibar' and of the 'mouse city' overpopulation experiment
chetty: I could go for a deserted island :)
asciilifeform: chetty: by far the most economical way to get there is on water
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1050212 << i'm on the record saying that italians are really the scourge of europe, gypsyes muchly preferable.
assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 17:19:11; *: Adlai wonders how http://trilema.com/2015/argentina-for-business/#footnote_1_60514 fits with https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzQuuoKXVq0
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1MwvPHU )
mircea_popescu: yeah well, there could scarcely be imagined a more degenerate people.
mircea_popescu: make the italian a cook and forget it.
mod6: jurov: not even a test email made it through.
mircea_popescu: hahaha the youtube ends on the same note. "let them do the food"
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1050215 << this is a complicated question. generally, the damage was done early on by a (perhaps understandably) revancharde russia, and late on, by a completely local brewed idiot.
assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 17:19:15; asciilifeform: thing is, colonizing power is not necessarily a civilizing one. how'd ya like ru colonial period in ro?
mircea_popescu: otherwise, romania was in europe throughout, it was going to push industrialization through regardless.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron the problem with places that used to be great but lacked the social structure to support it is they degenerate essentially the same way.
asciilifeform: walls of constantinopol
mircea_popescu: "give us your tired, your hungry" omits the whole picture : sure a country of immigrants is a grand way to build yourself up. but, necesarily, it's a great way to fall over like a deflated donut within a century.
mircea_popescu: happens every time.
mod6: give us ur derps
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1050233 << funny thing being, that if they actually want a copy they can just ask neh ?
assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 18:52:56; asciilifeform: i think this one went to /dev/null
asciilifeform: phr33 s4mpl3
asciilifeform: will hand-deliver to hitler if he asks nicely
asciilifeform: nobody wants a copy, but only to be annoying
mircea_popescu: which is the ridiculousness of it all. teenaged priss kinda likes a boy, does not find it within her purview to go on knees moan for cock. oh no, must pretend this that and the other.
mircea_popescu: god forbid we think less of her unless she doesn't do the exact things that make one think less of her.
mircea_popescu: basically the usg is about 15 and has grown up on a gated community. in connecticut.
asciilifeform: more like cat that 'plays with its food'
asciilifeform: 'we're in no hurry, you and i', the beast says to the mouse
mircea_popescu: mno.
assbot: Logged on 21-01-2015 02:32:01; mircea_popescu: ;;sell 1000 "Gavin Scamcoins" @ 750 BTC Future delivery. Larger amounts will get you an even better deal. Smaller amounts may be considered.
asciilifeform: i mean, i'd like to think not, but cannot fairly claim to be certain of not being mouse
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron ahem. through what sort of magic the parts summed exceed the sum ?
mircea_popescu: right.
mircea_popescu: or in other words, they make 250 gsc for no risk, if they believe this theory whereby "people" will "update" to gavincoin on gavin's say so.
thestringpuller: danielpbarron: that assumes this 750 BTC is prefork.
mike_c: danielpbarron: you need to be 75% confident to break even
mike_c: if you are > than that confident in gavincoin, it's a good deal
mike_c: i can do the math for you if it's helpful
mike_c: then you can undercut mp :) quick, make an exchange!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9293 @ 0.00033945 = 3.1545 BTC [-]
mike_c: no, i don't sell btc for fiat or for gavincoin.
davout: this video about italians is amazing
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
davout: the retarded part of the french also clap at landings
davout: mircea_popescu: furnished flats are the exception in france too
asciilifeform: davout: i suspect that they're absolutely standard wherever inhabited by ordinary folks, rather than business travellers or mircea_popescu with $maxint
Adlai: davout: my cdg layover mia→tlv was packed with equal parts frenchman and jew... confusion over whether to clap was palpable.
davout: haha
asciilifeform: davout: unfurnished, that is
asciilifeform: rather than furnished
davout: asciilifeform: yea you got me confused
davout: Adlai: they seriously made you login to your comp? that's pretty retarded
mike_c: americans only clap when landing in las vegas.
asciilifeform: davout: the laptop thing is becoming standard in most of the usg world
Adlai: after i repeated "linux" a bunch of times, ran xterm and opened random man pages, eventually the guy got overwhelmed/embarassed and just waved me on
asciilifeform: davout: if it has any purpose whatsoever, it is a training run for shoulder-surfing the pw in case they decide to confiscate the machine
davout: asciilifeform: is it to search it? or to check that it isn't just filled /w explosives?
assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 18:58:33; asciilifeform: Adlai: i still don't get this notion where t3rr0s1stz -somehow must- replace -all- of the cells in the battery with plastique, instead of only half
Adlai: asciilifeform: if that's the case, the guy failed afaict, seemed to be waiting for graphical login and was shocked to discover that all had taken place in text
davout: good thing i'm only carrying my friends laptop i don't have the credentials to
Adlai: (he was totally zoned out until i pulled him back to reality, impatient to get IN the plane)
asciilifeform: davout: insta-confiscation, presumed plastique.
asciilifeform: in usg airport
Adlai is amazed that his laptop passes chemical swabs
asciilifeform: (sorta like admitting that you have someone else's suitcase)
davout: asciilifeform: i don't really get why logging in to it isn't deemed enough proof it isn't a bomb
Adlai: for, ahem, contraband of the airborn pollen variety.
asciilifeform: davout: because it's a lie
Adlai: it's proof that you don't care about 'unlocking' the device
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davout: braindamaged on so many levels
Adlai: you've never had security at an event ask to open a bag/compartment, only to barely glance what was inside once open?
davout: danielpbarron: btw when i say an exchange, i mean an exchange
Adlai: not really, it's behavioral profiling and it works when you're less braindamaged than your expected enemy
trinque: they're just derping through a script they've been taught
trinque: they care that they hit the major bullet points, don't care how effectively
asciilifeform: Adlai: everyone has. because actual anal inspection for every 'client' takes far too long. instead - lottery.
asciilifeform: when your number comes up - then, then the fun.
trinque: generally smiling at the fucks and making pleasantries is enough to get through quickly
trinque: though I may be white and combed-hair enough to not be bothered often
Adlai: army tactic: let 99% pass unmolested, anally inspect the random 1%. (and call in female sergeant for the other inspection)
Adlai: like TA, this only works if everybody knows you're doing it
trinque: Adlai: the point in my mind is that these aren't ideologically motivated goons
davout: danielpbarron: you mean an invite to -otc?
Adlai: no, the guy at the border check was just doing his job
trinque: they're just bored kids, with as much focused malice as a bored kid can muster
Adlai: he was really embarassed at how impatient i got
Adlai wasn't sure what to expect, but in his mind, it involved at least being led away from the public areas... no such privilege, just awkwards blocking the line
trinque: I have no trouble smiling and being friendly with some govt goon if it gets me on my plane quicker, or out of the airport quicker
davout: ah, well to take up the offer you got clarification about amirite
davout: either way, it can't really work now, there can't really be a contract that defines what a gavincoin is before the guy actually commits some code
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davout: there are plenty of people dumb enough to take the deal that also happen to have >1k
davout: it's not possible, because defining gavincoin as "everything that is not bitcoin" just doesn't work
davout: what if it's like a emergency bugfix harfork? or any kind of non-braindamaged hardfork we actually agree with?
davout: because the contract also has to have an expiration, in case the hardfork never actually happens
asciilifeform: 80% << obligatory >> 'We use the term "thieves" if the number of men does not exceed seven, "band of marauders" [or "war-band"] for a number between seven and thirty-five. Anything beyond this is an "army".'
assbot: Regia Anglorum - The Fyrd (Army) in Anglo-Saxon England - Part 1 ... ( http://bit.ly/1C9XjQK )
asciilifeform: lol, package -did- show.
asciilifeform: even a free sample board in there.
mike_c: pics
mike_c: do they look visually reasonable? no balls of solder hanging off the sides?
asciilifeform: visually yes
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu ^
asciilifeform: one of the bags contains an empty board (souvenir?) - order consisted of two assembled standard rng
davout: danielpbarron: :)
nubbins`: alf, cool
asciilifeform: did not yet test
asciilifeform: dimensions are perfect within visual limits, though boards have panelization burrs
asciilifeform: (unlike my cn supplier which ships only perfectly-smooth edges)
asciilifeform: ic orientations are correct
nubbins`: where'd this batch come from?
asciilifeform: 'macrofab'
nubbins`: a
nubbins`: much price diff?
asciilifeform: recently-opened outfit in usa
asciilifeform: nubbins`: i have nothing with which to compare the price. nobody else on the planet does qty.1 smt assembly+board with no tooling charge
nubbins`: that's the ultimate bespoke, hey?
asciilifeform: for their weight in gold.
nubbins`: HEH.
asciilifeform: will say later if these even work.
nubbins`: i was gonna offer to purchase the empty board for posterity, but i doubt that's on the table anymore 8)
nubbins` generally only buys two things at gold/oz cost -- gold and printer ink
nubbins`: and even printer ink, i'm buying in bulk these days
nubbins`: ...and fwiw there was a tooling charge, just not presented as such :P
scoopbot: New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/03/latest-ransomware-targets-game-files-related-applications/
asciilifeform: ^ left hand: them. right hand: me.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, anyone else who cares ^
asciilifeform: nubbins`: tooling charge is rolled into everything, sure
Adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1050687 < a fork by any other name... what's so hard about referencing blocksize in the contract?
assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 21:14:18; danielpbarron: i could specify that it doesn't count as a fork if the resulting coin is still accepted by MPEx :p
asciilifeform: nubbins`: but very different from when you pay 500 usd per individual change in the layout.
nubbins`: re pics, nb!
nubbins`: i came across a picker/placer robot arm project recently that i meant to paste here
nubbins`: will literally never find it again
Adlai: ;;google zenrobotics
gribble: ZenRobotics: Product: <http://www.zenrobotics.com/>; Company | ZenRobotics: <http://www.zenrobotics.com/company/>; ZenRobotics - YouTube: <https://www.youtube.com/user/ZenRobotics>
davout: Adlai: because imo a one-off 2mb block size increase coin would be valued very differently from an exponential-growth block size coin
davout: Adlai: for such a thing to make sense it has to give the ability to short gavincoin into the dirt, nothing else
davout: lol
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davout: this one is magical
Adlai is reminded of #b-w the other day starting around https://botbot.me/freenode/bitcoin-wizards/2015-03-10/?msg=33809596&page=6
assbot: IRC Logs for #bitcoin-wizards | BotBot.me [o__o] ... ( http://bit.ly/1F58hY8 )
Adlai: if you really want to boost bitcoin's hashrate, why not organize a tx processing strike?
Adlai: (answer: because miners dgaf)
mircea_popescu: ugh.
mircea_popescu: so fucking stupid srlsy.
davout: mircea_popescu: Y U NO BLOCKCHAIN TECHNOLOGY???
mircea_popescu: Most of these folks simultaneously demand government programs to alleviate poverty and hunger, mass transit so the poor can get to where the good jobs are, and international aid to the Third World. In short they want structured, paternalistic programs that address needs defined by the intellectual elite. They are bitterly opposed to innovations that merely give the masses more goods, food, or money and leave the decisi
mircea_popescu: on making to individuals.
mircea_popescu: First, the money has to be taken by force from the wealthy. Voluntary contributions don't count. Taxation at a level that the wealthy will consent to doesn't count. Any approach that recognizes the wealthy as having rights is unsatisfactory. Even worse is any recognition of philanthropy and the idea that some of the wealthy have social consciences.
mircea_popescu: Second, the programs can only address needs defined by the intellectual elite. We won't provide cheaper cars; we'll force people to use mass transit. One volunteer aid group once did a study of Third World needs, concluded that one of the most pressing needs in Third World countries was transportation, then excluded automobiles from consideration because they felt that automobiles had a negative effect. When mass trans
mircea_popescu: it doesn't work in the low-density U.S., we'll try to compel people to live in higher density housing.
mircea_popescu: see, this is exactly adeuqate : these fuckwits are the exact prototype of the sterile "intellectual". they wish to matter, and they wish this mattering to happen through administrative measures.
mircea_popescu: so "why don't you organize a boycott"
mircea_popescu: "well... because i'm not a dickless dipsit, like you."
mircea_popescu: dipshit*
cazalla: Adlai: you've never had security at an event ask to open a bag/compartment, only to barely glance what was inside once open? <<< my first evar job was bag checker/door security at a retail store, i would ask to look in bag, they would open, i would nod and they'd walk out.. they might've easily walked in, filled up the bag and walked out with the goods because i sure as fuck didn't know
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 149732 @ 0.00034058 = 50.9957 BTC [+] {4}
Adlai: but if they don't want to open the bag? game's over
mircea_popescu: Adlai i dunno, i told a schmucky kid once to mind his own business. nothing happened./
Adlai: how inconvenient
mircea_popescu: um ?
davout: cazalla: it's all theatre
Adlai: nm !
cazalla: Adlai, no-one ever objected and i imagine that to anyone who wanted to come steal socks and undies, i was a god send
Adlai: where was this? there are probably better targets for shoplifters who need to make a living
Adlai: oz?
mircea_popescu: some supermarket.
mircea_popescu: well... i also told the derpy organisers of some local "swinger's club" to get bent after they wanted the chick to check her clutch.
cazalla: Adlai, it was at store similar to target or kmart, but just clothing
mircea_popescu: wtf ever heard of such nonsense.
Adlai: there's something intoxicating about a position of power, even if it doesn't really mean anything
Adlai: especially when the intoxicated goon thinks it means the world
mircea_popescu: autoritah!
Adlai: dishiprin.
mircea_popescu: really, it's not about the position, it's about the scumbag. this is how you know vulgar folk in all times of places, that they're made of base metal : if put in charge they foul things up.
cazalla: Adlai, ah i never saw it as such, i was only placed at the door because i got the job as a result of nepotism and they had to put me somewhere hence first evar security guy for that shop lol
mircea_popescu: plenty of people do just fine in positions of authority.
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Adlai: cazalla: most tlv venues ranging from cafes to clubs, movie theaters to supermarkets - have 'somebody' at the door, generally with a pulse or an expression (rarely more than one), and this the
Adlai: * theater is accepted as 'security'
cazalla: i don't recall ever feeling it was a position of authority, more reminded of the fact i was nervous but at same time excited to get pocket money
Adlai: sure, the bit about authority was more >> 'wtf ever heard of such nonsense.'
trinque: heh, I was buying bulk tp at walmart recently and the door troll stopped me and tried to block my exit
trinque: "I did not steal toilet paper, you idiot." -> walked around her and out
trinque: she seemed shocked that this could be possible
nubbins`: she seemed shocked to learn that she doesn't have the authority to stop you? o.O
assbot: Respect my authoritah! (Compilation) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1F5dHT9 )
trinque: nubbins`: people are so goddamn polite around here, practically canadian
nubbins`: canadians are rude
Adlai: oh canada
cazalla: trinque, ya know, i didn't buy toilet paper for many years (use to take 1 or 2 rolls home from work each day)
trinque: cazalla: heh! I had a gf that would jack my tp from her work when I was 19; that's called having connections
nubbins`: it sure is
Adlai: ;;ud g i butt wipe
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=G.I.%20butt%20wipe | G.I. butt wipe. During World wars I and II,American foot soldiers were only issued about 10 individual squares of toilet paper to keep backpack weight and ...
cazalla: the cost of wiping your ass adds up
mircea_popescu: get a dog, will lick you clean for free.
trinque: lol
Adlai: that is wrong on so many levels, except the dog's
trinque: I've seen a dog devour cow turd after cow turd; a mere human ass is nothing
mircea_popescu: lol
cazalla: ya, that's why i don't understand how people can have their dogs or other animals inside the house
mircea_popescu: cazalla i knew a chick that actually loved her dog.
cazalla: mircea_popescu, i loved my dog too but she was a dog
mircea_popescu: aussies.
Adlai: !b 3
assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3G2Q3WE.txt )
cazalla: said dog http://i.imgur.com/nqNNNvP.png made it to 16 years too, quite good for a staffy
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1F5eXFP )
mircea_popescu: eee
Adlai always imagined that an uncomfortable posture
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67900 @ 0.00034518 = 23.4377 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: you know that dog is practically saying "aussies..."
Adlai: twist your torso, now put all your upper body weight right on the twist!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 130 @ 0.01099999 = 1.43 BTC [-] {2}
cazalla: mircea_popescu, despite not allowing her in the house, i am quite sensitive about my Lucy, so please don't be saying she had such a look :(
mircea_popescu: aw sorry!
mircea_popescu: just teasing you a little.
jurov: mod6 sorry, dns problem, fixed
mircea_popescu: wow! it actually happened that ppl complained about jurov's email thing and it actually was the case it was broken
mircea_popescu: i been waitin' for this...
davout: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1050798 <<< such life haxxor
assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 22:28:01; cazalla: trinque, ya know, i didn't buy toilet paper for many years (use to take 1 or 2 rolls home from work each day)
davout: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1050804 <<< in romania, dog cleans you
assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 22:29:29; mircea_popescu: get a dog, will lick you clean for free.
trinque: davout: next tier up is only shitting at work
trinque: at least on weekdays
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in france... http://41.media.tumblr.com/655c83b5213fb218ae4a102611225095/tumblr_n30s9xDvX81s8rc6go1_1280.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1F5gpIl )
cazalla: trinque, not of the class who waits until arriving home to do such things?
trinque: I self employ now, but the joke always was among friends to shit on the company dime
davout: mircea_popescu: notbad.jpg
trinque: so I guess I'm always shitting on the company dime these days
mircea_popescu: i fucking managed to find salt pickles.
mircea_popescu: such relish
Adlai: boss makes a dollar while i make a dime // that's why i shit on company time
trinque: !b 1
assbot: Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2G2RHM9.txt )
trinque: that's the one
Adlai: bathroom poetry
Adlai: vandals carrying spraypaint, sure. but it always seemed a different breed of vandal to wander around with a sharpie
cazalla: easier to pretend to go on break with others who actually are on break (dependent on type of job of course)
davout: Adlai: so it should really be "boss makes a dollar while I make a dime, and a turd"
mircea_popescu: the turdime!
Adlai: better yet, run one of those bitcoin shit-ship-shops... just don't let corporate know you're doing materials r&d for the startup on the company clock
mircea_popescu: how do you think the extant ones are made ?
cazalla: quote from a coindesk article.. who is missing from the list of 5 twitter accounts? http://dpaste.com/0NSJG4T.txt
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1F5iROV )
davout: http://imgur.com/J5U3l1j <<< god knows what these little girls will sell for bitcoin once they turn 16
assbot: Little girls wearing google glasses selling cookies for bitcoin. This is Silicon Valley. - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1F5iV1a )
Adlai thinks of this every day, 3-4 times, while tesla wags his tail like he's cured parkworm
mircea_popescu: cazalla lmao nitwits.
mircea_popescu: cazalla and do they link to qntra or ?
cazalla: what do you think?
mircea_popescu: i think it sounds like a first best ever news site
cazalla: it's not that i mind that they mentioned other people part of a possible syndicate with silvey (which i didn't include in article as no proof of this anyway) but least they could do is admit that yeah, we followed it back from the avatar after having read about it on qntra
Adlai: they're just recycling http://blog.cryptocrumb.com/2015/03/fbi-silk-road-auction-of-march-2015.html although ferrin doesn't mention Steve Youngblood
assbot: Crypto Crumbs: FBI Silk Road Auction of March 2015 ... ( http://bit.ly/1F5k8pd )
Adlai: but everybody knows steve youngblood right guise?
jurov: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 295.51, Best ask: 295.68, Bid-ask spread: 0.17000, Last trade: 295.7, 24 hour volume: 27046.72490813, 24 hour low: 291.04, 24 hour high: 298.8, 24 hour vwap: None
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64000 @ 0.00033633 = 21.5251 BTC [-]
jurov: ;;ticker --currency EUR --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCEUR last: 278.22547, vol: 8229.45591540 | BTC-E BTCEUR last: 279.3, vol: 122.00342 | BTCChina BTCEUR last: 276.313023, vol: 138319.96870000 | Bitcoin-Central BTCEUR last: 278.0, vol: 84.6419943 | Volume-weighted last average: 276.423721036
jurov: ;;calc 290/278
gribble: 1.04316546763
chetty: insomnia treatment: http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2015/db0312/FCC-15-24A1.pdf
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cb8Dh0 )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9966 @ 0.00033633 = 3.3519 BTC [-]
davout: chetty: looked at the page count, felt sleepy
jurov: i scrolled into the middle, saw fotnote number 1216 O.o
jurov: *footnote
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jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1050355 see classic essay ont he subject: https://www.peereboom.us/assl/assl/html/openssl.html
assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 19:29:16; mircea_popescu: the only solution is to pull in the relevant code and encase it in acrylate.
jurov: in short, we're standing on the shoulders of monkeys
jurov at first read stainless steel 64 oz blade inside
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47362 @ 0.00032865 = 15.5655 BTC [-]
jurov: also, while code may be encased in acrylate, it's easy victim for future C compilers hyperoptimizations
mircea_popescu: <jurov> in short, we're standing on the shoulders of monkeys << quite.
mircea_popescu: !up cuwirebeard
mircea_popescu: ;;google "Satoshi Dice couldn't merge tx's anyway because bitcoind is written by monkeys"
gribble: Inputs.io hacked – 4100 BTC stolen | Hacker News: <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6687795>; How would you make an extra ,000 in a month? :: Kopywriting Kourse: <http://kopywritingkourse.com/10000-in-a-month/>; Is Louisiana's Oil-Blocking Sand Berm Project Doomed? - 80beats ...: <http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2010/06/25/is-louisianas-oil-blocking-sand-berm- (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: gtfo google. there's exactly one source on the whole internet.
ben_vulpes: decimation, asciilifeform, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al: what does it mean for openssl to load files in from disk as discussed last night? is it compiling .txts into machine code? loading precompiled stuff?
ben_vulpes: cazalla: i don't know a transisto, no.
decimation: ben_vulpes: usually libdl is used to load a binary library *after* the program has launched
decimation: a common scenario is when you want to load 'binary plugins'
decimation: which themselves are compiled .so files
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes essentially, it means they have not an inkling of how to code. they're importing code as data.
ben_vulpes: heh
mircea_popescu: "oh but it works"
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> ben_vulpes essentially, it means they have not an inkling of how to code. they're importing code as data. << i would like to hear the seasoned lispers take on this
mircea_popescu: "After messing around with this code for about a month I decided to write this up for the tubes in the hope that I can save some souls. I have come to the conclusion that OpenSSL is equivalent to monkeys throwing feces at the wall. It is, bar none, the worst library I have ever worked with. I can not believe that the internet is running on such a ridiculous complex and gratuitously stupid piece of code. Since circa 199
mircea_popescu: 8 the whole world has been trusting their secure communications to this impenetrable morass that calls itself the "OpenSSL" project. I bet that the doctors that work on that shitshow can not prescribe anything useful either!"
mircea_popescu: maybe this guy should be in here.
decimation: http://www.mail-archive.com/openssl-dev@openssl.org/msg05003.html < "Support for hardware acceleration is on its way that will use DSOs, this is so that the library and applications can have acceleration support but still run on platforms that don't have the acceleration drivers. Eg. you could even build applications that *can* support hardware acceleration using platforms without the hardware/drivers."
assbot: Re: Why is dso a part of openssl? ... ( http://bit.ly/1BAJits )
decimation: so what he's saying is that they put the libdl stuff in there so that you could load a binary driver for custom hardware
mircea_popescu: lol, conformal guy. kay.
decimation: without recompiling the openssl library
trinque: that module loading thing is like they almost knew the thing should be broken into small pieces, but not quite
decimation: what it comes down to is that distribution 'vendors' wanna ship you binaries
cazalla: ben_vulpes, ah you mentioned him in the logs so i thought otherwise
trinque: decimation: here attach this mystery device to your bloodstream
trinque: you'll be fine
decimation: hehe
ben_vulpes: cazalla: i hm what when?
ben_vulpes: !s transisto from ben_vulpes
assbot: 0 results for 'transisto from ben_vulpes' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=transisto+from+ben_vulpes
assbot: Logged on 02-06-2014 01:23:02; benkay: !up Transisto
mircea_popescu: #ifndef OPENSSL_NO_STDIO
mircea_popescu: * Load CA certs from a file into a ::STACK. Note that it is somewhat misnamed;
mircea_popescu: * it doesn't really have anything to do with clients (except that a common use
mircea_popescu: * for a stack of CAs is to send it to the client). Actually, it doesn't have
mircea_popescu: * much to do with CAs, either, since it will load any old cert.
mircea_popescu: * \param file the file containing one or more certs.
mircea_popescu: * \return a ::STACK containing the certs.
mircea_popescu: */
mircea_popescu: STACK_OF(X509_NAME) *SSL_load_client_CA_file(const char *file)
mircea_popescu: ahaha epic. no fucking wonder bitcoin-proto works on open-ssl
decimation: re: full auto < yeah us mil agrees, the ar-15 (m16) isn't made with full auto anymore, only 3-round burst. even this is almost never used. There is a place for full auto, and it is on a machine gun that is heavy enough to fire at full auto without completely losing accuracy
decimation: mircea_popescu: openssl has weird re-implementations of all kinds of crazy shit
mircea_popescu: decimation that, exactly. emplaced, basically.
decimation: yeah, crew served or mounted on a vehicle
cazalla: ben_vulpes, nothing untoward, his name just popped up in a trailer for a video and i searched logs here but few hits
ben_vulpes: ahmkay.
mircea_popescu: http://41.media.tumblr.com/29d64bd0a3aa3757ca989ff98bf618ca/tumblr_mowkmf8aaE1r0qabqo1_1280.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1x0iyUI )
decimation: re: asciilifeform on a boat < wash dc is famous for having a 'marina' on the potomac where one can live for the price of a boat and a few $k per year
decimation: re: italians < especially southern italians. northern ones tend to be a bit more germanic
decimation: asciilifeform: wow they even placed your shield? neat
mircea_popescu: yeah, the southerners are too disorganised to even be corrupt properly
mircea_popescu: need a berlusconi or something to show them how it'd sone
decimation: of course, note that nearly all 'italian americans' come from southern italy
BingoBoingo: Midwest "Italian Americans" are the worst
Adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2015#1050906 < having the evaluator|compiler available at compil|evaluation time vs asking it to (eval (read (http-request "wack")))
assbot: Logged on 13-03-2015 00:30:52; ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> ben_vulpes essentially, it means they have not an inkling of how to code. they're importing code as data. << i would like to hear the seasoned lispers take on this
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33050 @ 0.00033617 = 11.1104 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: decimation: wow they even placed your shield? neat << it's a part, like the others, with footprint & centroid coordinates, etc. i'd be rather pissed if it were missing
mircea_popescu: what, "we did most of the job" not good enough for ya ?!
mircea_popescu: in this day and age things aren't as they used to be, yo!
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asciilifeform: "we did most of the job" << these folks even offer a 'test' service but i can't really make use of it for these parts
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: what airport is best? or does it matter?
asciilifeform: ( for folks who missed wtf thread was about - http://www.loper-os.org/pub/mf3_compare.jpg )
mircea_popescu: generally everyone flies through ezeiza, but it doesn't matter.
decimation: asciilifeform: how did you get prices for your bom?
decimation: their 'house parts' list is small
asciilifeform: decimation: most of the parts aren't house
asciilifeform: they charge extra for the kitting
decimation: do they take ie digikey?
asciilifeform: takes most anything
asciilifeform: but adds days (they wait for order to come)
decimation: ah. so they order on your behalf?
asciilifeform: aha
mod6: <+jurov> mod6 sorry, dns problem, fixed << ahh, awesome. not a problem. Thanks!
asciilifeform: they outsource the boards too - took most of the time, it appears
asciilifeform: guessing it's somewhere slow - therefore american
decimation: cool. well, I'm glad it worked out for you. I suspect that this is probably being subsidized by bezzlars
asciilifeform: actually i've yet to plug them in...
asciilifeform: so won't say for certain that 'worked out' yet.
decimation: hehe true
decimation: actually now is the time to find prototyping services in europe or ru
decimation: with the strong dollar
asciilifeform: it is very easy to find manufacturing service. but mostly impossible to find one that does onesies economically
decimation: I wonder if they have heavy automation or cheap labor?
asciilifeform: claims the former
decimation: I'm dubious
decimation: someone has to load your custom parts
asciilifeform: decimation: there's exactly 1 through-hole part
asciilifeform: 3 pads
asciilifeform: everything else is pick'n'place-able
PeterL: asciilifeform:the concept is meant to address an earlier thread - 'pashtun can make ak but rounds are still from izhevsk' << how about caseless rounds?
decimation: right, but how could it possibly be economical to load two parts into a pick n' place
decimation: might as well use your 'waldo'
asciilifeform: PeterL: dimensional tolerances
asciilifeform: PeterL: even worse problem
mircea_popescu: btw re computers and looms thread a coupla months back, i somehow forgot to mention the jacquard loom specifically.
mircea_popescu: the damned thing had cards. in 1801
decimation: asciilifeform: somewhat before babbage
asciilifeform: unit 1 is a dud
decimation: shucks
mod6: jurov: still doesn't seem to be working.
asciilifeform: unit 2 is a dud.
asciilifeform: motherfuckers.
mircea_popescu: aww.
decimation: sucks. is it a board issue?
mod6: asciilifeform: this is the device you ordered?
asciilifeform: i haven't the faintest clue
asciilifeform: it's an analogue circuit, will presumably find out
thestringpuller: http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2015/03/12/bitbeat-bitcoin-coder-garzik-signs-deal-to-deploy-bitsats-in-space/
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mircea_popescu: this should be interesting.
mircea_popescu: $1 million for one BitSat,
mircea_popescu: this does not sound rightsomehow
decimation: everyone and his mom in sillycon valley wants to loft a satellite constellation
decimation: what are they gonna use for the uplink/downlink frequencies? access equipment?
mircea_popescu: simpler problem : leaving aside the "Ever and ever" bs, even if you plan for 10 years you need tbs of hdd and gbs of ram. in space.
mircea_popescu: which means, shielded.
mircea_popescu: you're already talking half a ton of gear here. i didn't hear of aerospace material going for $200 / kg yet.
mircea_popescu: less than good tuna ? srsly ?
decimation: the attitude in the sillycon valley space complex these days is that you can just launch some more sats
Adlai: nah the blockchain will be in storj
mircea_popescu: lmao
decimation: also, it's not quite as big an issue since they are below the van allen belts
mircea_popescu: so wild pr piece, rly.
decimation: but it also means that the sats won't stay up very long
mircea_popescu: well which is ? ever and ever or $1mn / year ?
asciilifeform: moreover,
decimation: yeah $1 mn sounds too cheap
asciilifeform: not a single one of the rng submodules works.
mircea_popescu: i'm half tempted to do a "basics of satellites" like the hollywood and the corn one. however...
mircea_popescu: i suspect there are more experienced aerospace minds here. how about you do it instead ?
asciilifeform: !s reducing space mission cost
assbot: 2 results for 'reducing space mission cost' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=reducing+space+mission+cost
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform shoulda ordered icecream :D
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha i'll bring ice cream to confIII
asciilifeform: l0l
mircea_popescu: btw... the icecream in this country... it can not be described.
mircea_popescu: it stands with the finest italian handmade gelateria in the same relation as this later beast stands with budweiser
assbot: Logged on 17-09-2014 02:27:20; decimation: herr walker believes this could be scaled: http://www.fourmilab.ch/documents/rocketaday.html << the nazis paid $13k 1945 dollars per V2
asciilifeform is floored by the sheer retardation. gave those idiots the simplest circuit in the world, as test
decimation: asciilifeform: they aren't gonna last very long if they can't deliver working circuits
asciilifeform: took'em almost a month, too
asciilifeform is not inclined to believe that it was accidental
wangxinxi: Have you guys heard of hedgy.co?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why not ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: both modules in both rng boards 100% dead
asciilifeform: without any visual signs of defect
asciilifeform: no visibly misaligned parts, no shorts
mircea_popescu: incompetence is the parsimonious explanation
decimation: asciilifeform: did you order these with all parts populated?
asciilifeform: decimation: yes
asciilifeform: decimation: these are ordinary rngs, as seen at conference II
asciilifeform: 100% analogue
decimation: can't imagine it's that complex
asciilifeform: it isn't
decimation: sounds like a bad board to me
asciilifeform: two bad boards
asciilifeform: in entirely invisible way
decimation: which implies their turdware manged your design I suspec
asciilifeform: again, not in any way detectable to naked eye
asciilifeform: about to manually probe the components under microscope
asciilifeform: but conclusive test would involve desoldering them
BingoBoingo: Maybe the wrong shade of blue for the PCB is problematic?
decimation: heh
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: no
asciilifeform was gonna order mainboard from these folks, to have in time for C III
asciilifeform: now going empty.
BingoBoingo: How do these fuckers expect to do a business off of 1-off boards when a two board order offers two dead boards
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i'll tell you how
asciilifeform: notice a sucker just paid'em 75 usd.
asciilifeform: me, that is
asciilifeform: because no alternative.
asciilifeform: it's exactly like the apple thread
decimation: presumably they will make you two more if it's their fault
asciilifeform: in another month
asciilifeform: and how the fuck do i prove whose fault
asciilifeform: and the game can be kept going as long as they like
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: can't you make them an offer they can't refuse?
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: if i could offer anyone anything, would not be having muppet problems
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> btw... the icecream in this country... it can not be described. << so i expect: helado primo, vino tinto, y carne gargantua.
asciilifeform: so on first glance, their 470k resistors (0805 size) are actually 200k
asciilifeform: though they have the correct printing
asciilifeform: and that's just one piece.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: i meant. you know "come to an understanding" if fuck ups occur?
thestringpuller: you're russian!
BingoBoingo: Prolly time to get some Chinese sweatshop workers into your shed with that H1B visa deal
thestringpuller: lol those poor chinese workers. dunno if asciilifeform is as benevolent of slave driver as mircea_popescu
asciilifeform: 470 and 200
asciilifeform: (not k)
asciilifeform: incidentally, 'house parts'
decimation: lol they put 200 on the 470k pads?
asciilifeform: no
asciilifeform: their 470 (not k) resistors are marked correctly (470) but have resistance of 200.
asciilifeform: and that is -only one- problem
asciilifeform: i have not even bothered to look at the rest of it
asciilifeform: this was not part of the deal
ben_vulpes: they're more efficient
ben_vulpes: you didn't need to burn that current anyways
ben_vulpes: it's like i tell the boys
ben_vulpes: "look, we're ording from a taco shop. the tacos cost a dollar fifty a pop. they're not going to be pleased with crazy custom orders, so cut it out.
ben_vulpes: "
ben_vulpes: extra cilantro get out of here
decimation: ben_vulpes: yeah except in this case, the taco stand bills itself as a custom taco stand
ben_vulpes: sure
ben_vulpes: and their tacos are clocking in at .75 per, to extend the metaphor.
ben_vulpes: outrageous claims are outrageous.
asciilifeform: it isn't even about the money as such
asciilifeform: i would have gladly paid 4x more if guaranteed working.
asciilifeform: as in - hard guarantee
asciilifeform: as in, i get a head on a stake if doesn't work
ben_vulpes: glhf. not happening.
asciilifeform: that's the idea here
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: http://www.quickmeme.com/img/32/32b4229145de0a2c1171b9b5757f25dfaa1bbf7b9be0b687be4dd5aec76a34d6.jpg
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: obvious idea is obvious
decimation: testing boards is a whole other layer of complexity
ben_vulpes: shouldn't be, really.
decimation: could be done, but not over mass production of one-offs
asciilifeform: however, no one cancelled physics
ben_vulpes: no, it should be easy, decimation.
asciilifeform: testing that board corresponds to given gerber mask is trivial
asciilifeform: testing that parts have their marked values - also trivial
asciilifeform: testing that they are actually attached - harder, but also doable
decimation: yeah good point
asciilifeform: they do not need to know what it does!
decimation: I'm surprised the pick n place doesn't auto test passives actually
asciilifeform: decimation: rubber suction cup, typically
ben_vulpes: the tooling investment to make this feasible for every board sent through a given shop is non trivial though, ibid for customer education.
asciilifeform: decimation: interestingly, in the old days, they were brass, and shaped in such a way that -did- test
asciilifeform: some of the german machines from the '80s, when computer sucked, did this
asciilifeform: i even had opportunity to buy one
asciilifeform: for a few $k
asciilifeform: but no place to put it
asciilifeform: so passed it up
asciilifeform: fella even reserve-engineered the controle console, wrote own proggy, would have thrown in the source
asciilifeform: but i had no climate-controlled space where it could fit.
decimation: yeah, failing to insert proper part in the tube is electronics manufacturing 101 error
asciilifeform: decimation: again, that was NOT what happened
asciilifeform: the fucker is marked 470.
asciilifeform: marked.
ben_vulpes: during my days in the wafer biz the shop for whom i slaved had a high-res testing machine that could test arbitrary board designs
decimation: heh
decimation: so you suspect that they bought shitass chinese parts?
asciilifeform: i have no idea where they got them
asciilifeform: and for all i know the rest of the board also has no correspondence whatsoever to marked values
ben_vulpes: the only reasonable conclusion is that someone at the nsa is gaslighting alf
decimation: ben_vulpes: sure, for arbitrary $$$ can be done
cazalla: poor shrem, 2 years ago paraded around as the bitcoin millionaire kid, but today relegated to begging for $10 so as not to eat the prison food http://charlieshrem.com/so-im-going-to-prison/
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cazalla: "I will need the support of everyone while inside, and I would appreciate it so much. Even $10 would go along way. There are a few days to send me money."
decimation: asciilifeform should send him some smoked sprat
asciilifeform: idiot does not deserve one sprat
decimation: heh
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: there is a reason why i am building own conveyor
asciilifeform: but it isn't happening in time for c3
asciilifeform: and the motherfuckers knew that, of course.
decimation: noisy chump falls into the noisy usg chumpatron, news at 11
ben_vulpes: news at 11
ben_vulpes: hey noisy chump what travel bezzle are you using to procure tickets to con3?
asciilifeform also chumped, out of 75 bux. did not really expect the thing to work
asciilifeform grinds in gears
decimation: asciilifeform: it appears you can RMA the thing
decimation: might as well turn the chumpatron wheel
asciilifeform: decimation: aha lol sure. these are going in my butterfly collection.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: lessee
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: 'copa airlines'
ben_vulpes: purchased direct?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: and 'aerolineas argentinas'
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asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: nah through 'orbitz'
decimation: re: argentinean aviation: http://www.miamiherald.com/entertainment/celebrities/article13640420.html
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ben_vulpes: so i just received my new passport
ben_vulpes: i'll admit to shitting more than a single brix over its issuance, given my presence here and name change froofraw.
decimation: ben_vulpes, asciilifeform: http://www.faa.gov/about/initiatives/iasa/ < usg says that ar civil aviation bureaucracy is rated "1"
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ben_vulpes: fuckers declined to send me back my court papers and expired passport.
decimation: ben_vulpes: I think you can pay to expedite
ben_vulpes: despite! claims all over forms that supporting docs will be returned with issued passport.
ben_vulpes: decimation: i'm aware.
ben_vulpes: that part was unnecessary, and risks putting one in the 'extra scrutiny' bin as i see it.
ben_vulpes: anyways
ben_vulpes: i have the *passport*
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2015#1051059 << likeliest explanation
assbot: Logged on 13-03-2015 02:41:13; decimation: which implies their turdware manged your design I suspec
ben_vulpes: but my *other* documents.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: no you see, the lizard shitgnomes got to it
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: again, there is no detectable trace of a mistake in their procedure or in the physical board
decimation: ben_vulpes: did your passport come with 'rfid condom'?
thestringpuller: LOLOL
ben_vulpes: lol no plain book
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there is at least one part where all four instances differ by a factor of ~2 from the marked value.
asciilifeform: MARKED value
decimation: ben_vulpes: the state dept faq claims they issue one with each
thestringpuller: decimation: i thought all passports had RFID chips in them
asciilifeform: on the thing itself
ben_vulpes: decimation: by 'condom' i assume you mean faraday cage?
decimation: yes
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well... the cutout of the two boards sounds like a great blogpost.
mircea_popescu: write the whole story, send them a link.
decimation: 'metallized' paper bag
ben_vulpes: decimation: lol no.
ben_vulpes: std us mail envelope
mircea_popescu: decimation what's an ungrounded faraday cage supposed to do again ?
mircea_popescu: or do these new passprots come with a rail contact ?
decimation: like so http://www.idstronghold.com/
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ben_vulpes: ssn and passport number no doubt lifted en route
decimation: it's not a true faraday cage, but it will attenuate
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: what l33t deelz did you find? the best i'm offered is ~1.3k rt
thestringpuller: someone finds a 900 rt from US that'd be dope
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thestringpuller: as long as I don't have to sit between two fat people
ben_vulpes: do any of you know anything about relational schema design? i'm derping on a thing and would like to run an early early early schema draft by someone who actually understands relational dbs.
ben_vulpes: trinque's already helped with it, but i'm looking for more eyes
decimation: actually I think the new 'chip n pin' implementation for credit cards in the us is rf-id based
decimation: so you gotta buy a stack of these
ben_vulpes: (project is relational modeling of blockchain, for the curious)
ben_vulpes: (it'll be done in two weeks, i swear)
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes ibidem actually means "in the same place". if you mean idem (ie, the same) say idem!
ben_vulpes: !
decimation: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-01-2015#991265 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-01-2015#991268
assbot: Logged on 25-01-2015 06:52:34; asciilifeform: chain of pointers << tree.
assbot: Logged on 25-01-2015 06:53:07; asciilifeform: (satoshi did not go in for book-learning, it seems, esp. re: data structures, but that doesn't mean that we have to forget school)
ben_vulpes: right.
ben_vulpes: i want it in a database, though.
ben_vulpes: the storage on disk is a thing of import, no doubt.
ben_vulpes: but a *queryable* blockchain is something else entirely.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, i wonder if one could make a filesystem specifically for blockchain storage.
decimation: yeah I don't have enough database design experience to comment on that
mircea_popescu: there's absolutely no doubt this will be the largest usecase for harddrives going forward
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i grow more and more tempted every day to use postgres as a filesystem.
mircea_popescu: and as they become obsolete in the future, ppl not wanting to upgrade their bitcoin archives will provide hdds with one of those ada or lisp-esque eternal lives.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: filesystem specifically for blockchain storage << i spoke of this, right here in #b-a
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes im not informed enough to guess, but maybe a "best of both words" hybrid could thrive.
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform either i missed it or forgot it!
ben_vulpes: lol no i
asciilifeform: 'That is very strange indeed. All of the house parts we currently carry are supplied by Digikey and Mouser, and are name-brand parts. At this moment, we only stock and only order parts from US vendors who are authorized vendors for the components we purchase. (This is why our BoM tool will often list parts as unavailable, even if they can be found at non-US or non-authorized dealers.)
asciilifeform: I will have our reels of 470 Ohm resistors verified first thing in the morning. I'd like to send you a return label in the morning to send the boards back, so that we can review the work on the boards and verify and replace any parts which are not testing at their required values. Additionally, this step would help us to determine what has gone wrong in the assembly and why your components are not operating within specificati
asciilifeform: on to prevent any future issues. If you are able to provide us a test procedure, we will be happy to use that to verify the boards before sending them back to you.'
ben_vulpes: nor* i
asciilifeform: ^ macrofab inc.
NewLiberty: ben_vulpes: "Gweedo" did quite a bit of RDBM crunching of the block chain for a project of his, he had many failures and learned much
decimation: asciilifeform: well at least they replied promptly
ben_vulpes: NewLiberty: who now?
asciilifeform: 'I will ship them back, but I needed working sample units -this week-.
asciilifeform: Not a month from now.
asciilifeform: And now I don't have them.
asciilifeform: And was going to order another, much larger, device made at your shop,
asciilifeform: but now find it very hard to believe that it will work to spec, before
asciilifeform: the deadline.' -- me
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they sound very nice you know ? i'd send them the boards an' detail.
mircea_popescu: omg stop being so petulant eh!
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: if you're spending 75 dollars, you didn't need them at all sheesh
ben_vulpes: you're not siemens, you don't swing 500m in legal fees every quarter, you don't get to go over the bills with a fine toothed comb etc
mircea_popescu makes mental note : if alf spends time anticipating a nice itam and then doesn't get it, alf gets very pissy!
asciilifeform: now mostly pissed at self for falling for this nonsense
ben_vulpes: happy to spend thousands on worthless arcana tho :P
mircea_popescu: NewLiberty what ever happened to that guy ? still around ?
mircea_popescu: !up NewLiberty
ben_vulpes: !up NewLiberty
NewLiberty: Yes, he is still around
asciilifeform: no one can offer this particular good for the advertised price.
NewLiberty: Not so much on BCT, more on CryptoCrypt
asciilifeform: wondered what was the catch - turns out, this.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> incidentally, i wonder if one could make a filesystem specifically for blockchain storage. << i definately wanna discuss this.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform seriously, send them the things, gotta help em. they're new.
asciilifeform: funnily, if it were a digital device (e.g., the mainboard) it'd have probably worked
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i will
mircea_popescu: mod6 if you write a spec or something ima read it, for whatever good that's gonna do
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform cool.
NewLiberty: He was doing a rdbs project with open API for folks that want cloud nodes but didn't want to run them.
decimation was hoping to send them some analog designs, was waiting to see what happened to ascii after he entered the chumpatron
NewLiberty: sort of like chain.com but open
mod6: mircea_popescu: ok thanks!
asciilifeform: on the flip side, all the folks who laughed at me for slowly grunting to build own p&p fab, can begin to consider stopping laughing now...
NewLiberty: His latest project though was for a bitcoin webcam company, pretty girls and such
decimation: I think the 'waldo' device is a great idea for building small prototypes
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NewLiberty: I was an rdb wonk but my expertise is a decade or so stale.
mircea_popescu: that is good right ? past decade all gunk ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: When you grow more shiva hands may I suggest a hobby? Photograph pine trees. Contemplate which one when converted to stake best matches each shitgnomism.
decimation: BingoBoingo: asciilifeform need only drive a few hours south to see the perfect stake-pine, the loblolly https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinus_taeda
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decimation: for mounting the convicted at the appropriate height pour encourager les autres
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mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2015#1051148 << a whole team.
assbot: Logged on 13-03-2015 03:08:17; ben_vulpes: the only reasonable conclusion is that someone at the nsa is gaslighting alf
decimation: apparently the police shot some bum the wash dc subway http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/shooting-in-metro-system-dc-police-say/2015/03/12/8f3abf6e-c921-11e4-b2a1-bed1aaea2816_story.html
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