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cazalla: unbalanced, i don't believe so, exchanged a few emails with the guy who built that but unsure if he ever came here
danielpbarron: !up NewLiberty
mircea_popescu: cazalla no hysteria, but i get very disinclined to listen to what excuses anyone may have.
unbalanced: cazalla, thanks -- I was pondering a similar idea about how to divvy-up boring micro data-cleaning work by pipelining it to many users and doing micro-payments.
unbalanced: Like captcha's I'd need a human decision for the choices my code couldn't make... and would need to run each one by say 5 people then take the "wisdom of the crowds" consensus answer.
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mircea_popescu: this is the shittiest wetware cpu design yet.
unbalanced: Simple stuff for a native speaker in a given language: correcting capitalization on names, coding mistyped countries
ben_vulpes: unbalanced: the term is "asshat"
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unbalanced: Ohhhh that's why I get called asshat all the time.
unbalanced: But the question is, how do people driving by know I lurk here?
BingoBoingo: 'Ernest Gallo told and re-told a story about driving through Atlanta and spotting a man drinking on the sidewalk. “What’s the word?” Gallo called out. The response was instantaneous: “Thunderbird!” and both the wino and the millionaire dissolved into laughter.'
unbalanced: mircea_popescu: yeah, there doesn't seem to be anything there... I was hoping for an API to hook into but my needs are custom enough I'll likely have to roll my own UI anyway.
BingoBoingo: "Not surprisingly, this misguided attempt at respectability failed. Thereafter, Gallo disassociated itself from Thunderbird by simply removing the Gallo name from the Thunderbird label."
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BingoBoingo: "Television ads featured the fictional characters “Frank Bartles” and “Ed Jaymes,” two kindly old men so honest and down-to-earth they ended each spot by thanking viewers “for your support.”"
ben_vulpes: everything in the ruby world is abandonware
BingoBoingo: !up unbalanced
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: what do you seriously expect from the language that spawned the framework that killed vircurex
unbalanced: Thanks Bingo
BingoBoingo: For people lacking history Vircurex was what cryptsy aspired to be until Vircurex was robbed to the point no one bothered robbing it anymore
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: it also runs davout's thing
unbalanced: We get a lot of data coming in where users enter things like "NHL" "Nat'l Hockey League" "N.H.l." or umpteen other bastardizations of whatever the short text field is asking for.
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Davout also cares enough though to run off of a name. Vircurex was run by "Kumala" who even mircea_popescu doesn't care enough about to dox.
unbalanced: I can reduce the data cleaning chore via buzzword compliance: gamification, cryptocurrency, micropayments... child labor... addictive push notifications, the whole nine yeards.
unbalanced: Purely scratching my own itch there. Not proposing a wetware CPU startup. No Tesla coming out of this one, just fewer manual SQL statements.
unbalanced: Bingo, I get Bartles & Jaymes confused with the two cranberry farmers standing out in the marsh in their hip-waders
mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> everything in the ruby world is abandonware << everything in the webworld is abandonware.
mircea_popescu: brace yourself for THAT discovery.
BingoBoingo: unbalanced: Maybe that is the point of the exercise. Everything one could want to know about "marketing" can be learned from Modern Drunkard.
unbalanced: I will be sure to leave branded empties near schoolyards like the Gallo salesment.
BingoBoingo: !up arvicco
asciilifeform: 'bitwork' << see also 'mechanical turk'
asciilifeform: (yes, named for the chess 'machine')
asciilifeform: it is, afaik, unique for one thing - being a haven of sp4mz0rz on both sides of the equation
asciilifeform: that is, most if not all of the jobs, last i checked, pertained to spam
unbalanced: Yes, I remember when Amazon came out with theirs, I read that story...
asciilifeform: but quite likely most of the 'workers' are also (secretly) bots.
unbalanced: (about the magical machine)
asciilifeform: ok i have no idea about others, but all of -mine- were bots, lol
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unbalanced: Heh. For data coding I think I'd have to limit use to trusted/trained users... hence my child labor crack.
unbalanced: We'll whip up a few pages where a few seniors and students can tap big colourful rectangles to make their selections.
unbalanced: Instead of surfing Pinterest or trying to get Flappy Bird further along.
unbalanced: Steve Jobs is training the work force of the future, who knew?
unbalanced: Tap and flick your way to a food pellet and a little more water in your dish!
asciilifeform: ^ 'workforce'
ben_vulpes: there's a particularly good sci fi story about people who lease their wetware out during the day, are monitored for minute reactions.
BingoBoingo: Twerkforce!!!
ben_vulpes: damned if i can remember it.
unbalanced: That's a lot of electricity for a Chinese prison.
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asciilifeform: gurlfarm
ben_vulpes: bitbet volume up this month?
unbalanced: Careful asciilifeform she's probably watching us right now.
unbalanced: Did I see a somewhere in the past month or so? That sounded neat.
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BingoBoingo: unbalanced: The classical is useful
ben_vulpes: okay i lost a weekend to ruby dependency hell
ben_vulpes: can i say something dramatic yet?
assbot: src/sys/dev/ic/mvsata.c - annotate - 1.34 ... ( )
BingoBoingo is still convinced NetBSD is a largely Jap fascination much like tentacle porn
BingoBoingo: !up unbalanced
BingoBoingo seriously though NEtBSD was for people who wanted sudo on their toasters
asciilifeform: on dead squirrels
BingoBoingo: That too.
asciilifeform: toaster - luxury, can run freebsd
BingoBoingo: I mean... Borked SATA drivers???
asciilifeform: borked on marvell
asciilifeform: and, supposedly, only for certain drives
asciilifeform: but happens to include all the ones i could find here
BingoBoingo: Building bitcoin-qt through an exercise that largely involved deleting makes me wonder what other applications I could improve for my own use by deleting code
ben_vulpes: muntz on, good sir.
BingoBoingo: I'm thinking "Midori" web browser might be a next candidate
BingoBoingo: !up FabianB
BingoBoingo offers "midori" web browser particularly because all C
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asciilifeform: what other applications I could improve for my own use by deleting << kernels
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Exactly. I'm just now discovering the power of the delete key and like a toddler want to use it on everything.
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BingoBoingo: RC4, delete; NTFS, delete;
BingoBoingo: sshd, delete
BingoBoingo: !up dgeats
asciilifeform: cazalla: what of it
cazalla: ah maybe i am getting cached ver, someone elses ss
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Yeah, I saw boring google, bot lulzfest you screencapped
cazalla: not my screencap but i still see it
BingoBoingo: You know copyrastas got too much power when people want to price gouge antihelminthics
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asciilifeform: ^ 'intellectual property' in one paragraph.
asciilifeform: 'If Shkreli acquires Biltricide from Bayer, he plans to raise the price of the drug to $100,000 for a single-day course of treatment, according to people briefed on Turing's business plans. No other changes or improvements to the drug will be made by Turing. The extra revenue generated by Biltricide is expected to earn Turing a fast profit for its investors and help defray the cost of developing other, experimental drugs, sour
asciilifeform: ces said.'
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Best part is people who generally need antihelminthics... generally could not afford "aspirin"
asciilifeform: target market is presumably wealthy usian tourists to the turd world
asciilifeform: who manage to get very, very lucky
cazalla: what a fucking other fucker.. just chipped my front tooth after only having it fixed like a month ago
cazalla: mother fucker even
asciilifeform: i bet it costs less to have all the shareholders shot in the head
asciilifeform: than what the patients, collectively, might pay for the product.
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Welcome to the wonderful world of ceramics
BingoBoingo finds it amazing that maximally empowered copyrastas would have te rest of humanity die by worms
asciilifeform: the 100k fella didn't mention funding worm spread
asciilifeform: but it seems like logical next step.
asciilifeform: to maximize investor returns!
BingoBoingo: No need to fund worm spread. Spread well enough on their own
asciilifeform: whether 'on their own' is 'well enough' is for the shareholders to decide.
cazalla: BingoBoingo, black people sorta ruined gold teeth didn't they?
BingoBoingo: Only necessary ingredient is pricing drug out of veterinary practice
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Mercury amalgam is still a thing
cazalla: BingoBoingo, that'd still look like i had bling done
BingoBoingo: Maybe?
BingoBoingo: Aesthetics can only put up so much of a fight against engineering
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: you at least understand the toolchain with which you grapple.
cazalla: i don't wanna live in a world where i have to bling up my front teeth just to eat a peach without chipping a tooth
asciilifeform: mercifully little there is of it
cazalla: i'd claim shoddy work but the crown this guy did, never had an issue
BingoBoingo: cazalla: You have to understand replacement material involve necessary compromise
cazalla: food needs to adjust to fit the way my teeth see the world BingoBoingo
asciilifeform: re: solzhenitsyn's axe theorem
asciilifeform: incidentally modern jailers learned from this and other historical lulz
asciilifeform: they do not wear sidearms inside the 'wire'.
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BingoBoingo: And yet USia's jailing class plagiarizes their German predecessors without attribution
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Once you need fillings in "working locations" the choices are metallic and durable or "natural" and the dentist's annuity
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: plagiarizes - lol. where in the world were the first modern gassings? not germany
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The gassing are not the plagiarism. The humane safety aspects are.
BingoBoingo: "No firearms in the zoo" was a very German reform
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asciilifeform: 'In all of the discussions, Höss is quite matter-of-fact and apathetic, shows some belated interest in the enormity of his crime, but gives the impression that it never would have occurred to him if somebody hadn’t asked him. There is too much apathy to leave any suggestion of remorse and even the prospect of hanging does not unduly stress him. One gets the general impression of a man who is intellectually normal, but with
asciilifeform: the schizoid apathy, insensitivity and lack of empathy that could hardly be more extreme in a frank psychotic' << could be a description of virtually any
asciilifeform: any 'plum book' usg
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assbot: Thousands of inmates to be transferred after unrest at Texas prison | US news | The Guardian ... ( )
BingoBoingo: "The inmates broke out of their housing structures and converged in the recreation yard, setting fire to several kevlar domes, or tents, that serve as prison housing, the paper said."
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 'kevlar' isn't flammable per se...
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Plenty flame-abru in practice
BingoBoingo: Hydrocarbon and flourocarbon polymers break down into their more flamable constituents
BingoBoingo wonders if maybe he should have watched the oscars if it inspired this much butthurt this year
assbot: Oscars best picture winner Birdman: Boyhood snub is the Academy’s worst mistake in 20 years. ... ( )
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ben_vulpes: ahaha and then ruby ecosystem just falls over en masse without libreadline6-dev on the machine. no warnings at compile or until i go to actually run this hellspawn rails app
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: You know... sbcl is available nearly everywhere...
assbot: /hashtag/Kamailio?src=hash and /hashtag/LibreSSL?src=hash does not play together. Problems with CRYPTO_set_mem_functions
BingoBoingo: !up sergiohlb
sergiohlb: thank you
BingoBoingo: yOU'RE WELCOME
mircea_popescu: unbalanced: Instead of surfing Pinterest or trying to get Flappy Bird further along. << there's something fundamentally naive about one imagining he can extract useful work out of an assemblage of idiots.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo that site with the idiotic "from around the web" "weird tricks" etc spam
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mircea_popescu: re "100k/dose" : praziquantel is a simple molecule easy to synth. everyone'll just use the indian version and that's that.
mircea_popescu: let us bezzle outbezzle itself to all fuck.
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Adlai: "praziquantel is a simple molecule easy to synth." << easiest way to get accurate info on the internet is to spew nonsense and wait to be corrected? :P
mircea_popescu: which part dja have trouble with ?
Adlai lets the professional chemists weigh in, this is outside his pay grade
mircea_popescu: it's about 50yo you know.
Adlai: that has zero relevance to ease of synthesis
mircea_popescu: what do you think happened in the past half century, chemistry got HARDER ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform re the jew thing : so ho got her man. rest of the "respectable" cunts, ineffectual as all "respectable" cunts.
mircea_popescu: nothing new under the sun.
cazalla: anyone else seen qntra as #2 on hackernews atm?
mircea_popescu: nice going bb.
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mircea_popescu: break a bad law rather than comply with it.
mircea_popescu: "have to" my foot.
mircea_popescu: "all the other guys were fucking her, I had to rape her a little too!!1 "
ben_vulpes: can't win for losing
mircea_popescu: the fucking shrem defense. "i'm not an asshole, i just had to behave like one. but my real me is still intact! i'm a narcissist, my actions don't describe me!"
ben_vulpes: shutter your busines to play guitar and avoid feds risk: get exiled from la serenissima. play with the feds: get exiled. exile yourself from the us, wither on the vine of unprofitability.
ben_vulpes: makes me wonder what those of us desperately milking the bezzle of what drops it yields will be castigated with.
mircea_popescu: the choices that all suck
ben_vulpes: show me some that don't, eh?
ben_vulpes: it's war, there's no winning.
mircea_popescu: i'm only showing alf, he's got the ip on iot.
mircea_popescu: shutter your busines to play guitar and avoid feds risk: get exiled from la serenissima << who was this ?
ben_vulpes: you wrote about him at one point.
ben_vulpes: recently, i might add.
mircea_popescu: that narrows it down...
ben_vulpes: well i can't find it.
ben_vulpes: some person who shuttered their own operation preemptively.
mircea_popescu: you don't mean the gerald davis / death&taxes guy ?
ben_vulpes: wasn't he just wrong?
ben_vulpes: ah no
mircea_popescu: a year ago ?
ben_vulpes: i am simply low on brain and reading comprehension this evening.
mircea_popescu: i don't give a shit some dude shutters his business
ben_vulpes rereads the article in question
mircea_popescu: but if he comes back 18 months later as an expert witness on the shithead parade...
mircea_popescu: he's going to get asked a few hard questions. such as, "who the fuck is paying your bills."
ben_vulpes: i see, i see.
ben_vulpes: (little, late and only with others' light)
mircea_popescu: note that he's actually not answered it, either.
mircea_popescu: went in without a plan. rather typical of the entirely fucktarded level of these people lately.
mircea_popescu: "nobody could have foreseen we'd get asked questions..."
ben_vulpes: while i'm up and it's quiet, what is the point of this new 'license' of yours?
ben_vulpes: on the face of it (and granted, i'm tired and slow), it seems this license would only ever prevent folks from using anything so licensed.
ben_vulpes rereads *again*
ben_vulpes: is it one of those "virulent" licenses? that nominally made things into which their licensed source was rolled also "open" source?
mircea_popescu: it just makes it impossible for fiat businesses to use any of our software.
ben_vulpes: more software. just what the world needs.
mircea_popescu: it's just a logical gate is all.
mircea_popescu: only allows flow one way.
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assbot: phpcodz/ at master · 80vul/phpcodz · GitHub ... ( )
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punkman: asciilifeform: ditto for the opiate 'vaccine' << from what I've read on the internets, suboxone is not such a bad thing
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punkman: unbalanced: Did I see a somewhere in the past month or so? That sounded neat. << you can find my bitbet calculator/tracker here
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punkman: unbalanced: I can reduce the data cleaning chore << punkman occasionally does data-cleaning/dedupe/linkage/acquisition work for hire
punkman: BingoBoingo: cazalla: Once you need fillings in "working locations" the choices are metallic and durable or "natural" and the dentist's annuity << better dentist also helps. I have a couple front teeth chips with the "natural" fillings, never had to replace.
cazalla: punkman, i've had the left front tooth done about 10 years back, that one has lasted, right one around the same time but it got chipped months back, bit pissed off this one has chipped so early but i gnaw bones and shit too so who knows
fluffypony: cazalla: are you a dingo?
punkman: don't gnaw bones :P
cazalla: ya don't love a good bone?
punkman: asciilifeform: picture autoimmune destruction of the reward centres << I thought the principle was to trigger immune response against cocaine molecule, not reward centre
punkman: cazalla, sure had a nice lamb roast yesterday.
cazalla: hey me too
punkman: today is octopus day, also known as Clean Monday
cazalla: i wish we could get good seafood here, a lot of it is shipped in from interstate or worse
punkman: mediterranean is fucked too, we have to import a lot of ocean fish
mats: 5:44:43 <+punkman> asciilifeform: ditto for the opiate 'vaccine' << from what I've read on the internets, suboxone is not such a bad thing <<
mats: has really awful withdrawals
punkman: (also nothing to do with vaccine)
punkman: mats, is it any better than methadone?
mats: its safer, but folks sometimes develop suicidal ideation after a few months
mats: and from all reports it seems thats preferable to beating withdrawal
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BingoBoingo: <mats> 5:44:43 <+punkman> asciilifeform: ditto for the opiate 'vaccine' << from what I've read on the internets, suboxone is not such a bad thing << Suboxone is not vaccine, merely partial agonist, does not trigger immune response
BingoBoingo: effect also lacks permanence
assbot: The U.S. government’s stupid tax war on expatriates - MarketWatch ... ( )
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punkman: " the numbers renouncing U.S. citizenship jumped 14% to a new record last year. While the official number is “only” 3,400, that number is apparently understated, and surveys suggest the number who may follow suit is in the millions."
assbot: Linux-Kernel Archive: Linux 4.0-rc1 out.. ... ( )
punkman: "Because the people have spoken, and while most of it was complete gibberish, numbers don't lie. People preferred 4.0, and 4.0 it shall be. Unless somebody can come up with a good argument against it."
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danielpbarron: height=220362 vs height=190061
chetty: <punkman> " the numbers renouncing U.S. citizenship jumped 14% to a new record last year. While the official number is “only” 3,400, that number is apparently understated, and surveys suggest the number who may follow suit is in the millions."// its very simply a new sort of 'wall'
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PeterL: asciilifeform: RE stuff made in Africa: some of my clothes are made in sub-saharan africa
BingoBoingo: lol, "should we really be blaming superfish?"
assbot: even thgough im Palestinian and these guys are Israeli, should we really be blam... | Hacker News ... ( )
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mircea_popescu: "i am a white male" orly.
Adlai: 3rd ¶ reeks of lamarckism
mircea_popescu: ahaha young father, is 27.
mircea_popescu: what the shit.
mircea_popescu: ima use this thing as a teaching aid.
mircea_popescu: wait, wants to impregnate woman next month ?
mircea_popescu: wtf is wrong with people.
nubbins`: or 13 months from now
nubbins`: but by then he'll be 28
mircea_popescu: nono he doesn't want to wait a full year
mircea_popescu: besides by then dota 5 will be out
nubbins`: this TLP blog is fun to read but i feel like reading it makes me feel like i understand things better than i actually do
nubbins`: dota 5? /me cuts off dick, throws in trash
mircea_popescu: don't get drastic nubbins`
mircea_popescu: your dick can have middle lane.
nubbins`: better middle lane than middling pain
nubbins`: oh, here's one about women wearing makeup
nubbins` rubs hands together
mircea_popescu: you know back before the world went nuts, my mother was in the maternity ward about to deliver me, as a 22 yo college grad.
mircea_popescu: with her, a 17yo and a 18yo
mircea_popescu: doctor berated her for "waiting so long!"
nubbins`: 22yo college grad, now there's a thing you see less and less
nubbins`: "i'm taking a year to find myself"
nubbins`: "i'm doing __ for my gap year"
nubbins`: ^ why not just be honest to yourself ;/
mircea_popescu: ya srsly.
mircea_popescu: it was fucking shameful then to not have a degree by 22.
mircea_popescu: anyway, my dad was 23 (army). and nofcuking body thought this is young.
mircea_popescu: everyone thought this is werdly late, but fucken intellectuals, nutty.
nubbins`: i'm not sure what romania was like in the late 70s but i feel like the average age of post-secondary graduation directly correlates to how soft things are in that place
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> cuz you liked teh woman, foo. << i see this coming
mircea_popescu: nubbins` let me put it this way : romania had mandatory universal male draft.
mircea_popescu: 9 months IF you went to college. 15 otherwise.
nubbins`: a lot can happen in 6 months in the armed forces
nubbins`: second-best korea still has this, btw
mircea_popescu: like what, derpy dude gets weaned ?
nubbins`: i think it's two years tho
mircea_popescu: many countries still do, esp in the east of russia.
nubbins`: upside of this is that every korean male, at least ostensibly, earned a blackbelt in taekwondo
mircea_popescu: i don't believe it's a bad idea. if shiva tasked me with fixing west, it's one of the first things i'd do.
nubbins`: but, y'know. "earned".
mircea_popescu: fail that, castration.
nubbins`: a universal draft would fix the west?
nubbins`: wait, no, i see it
nubbins`: wasn't looking ahead far enough 8)
mircea_popescu: nubbins` 9 months with gunnery sargeant hartman, on the understanding that if you fail you get your balls chopped off and spend the rest of your life = the next few years chained to a wall in a brothel for arab fags.
nubbins`: see, thing is
nubbins`: once everyone's in the military, they gotta /do something/ with all these soldiers!
mircea_popescu: paint rocks.
nubbins`: too passive
danielpbarron: have you played dota or just heard of it?
nubbins`: i think it's a video game
mircea_popescu: romania had universal draft for a century, never started a war.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron i just heard of it.
nubbins`: romania was a different brand of retarded
nubbins`: you think if the american military suddenly is awash in bodies, they won't start sending them places for the sake of doing it?
mircea_popescu: but i think it's the one derived from old warcraft 2, except you get a single hero and no "resources" per se, get wood/gold to level them by killing npcs
mircea_popescu: nubbins` i'd be running things, not fucking dod.
Adlai: "paint rocks." << there's this idf saying: "if it moves, salute it; if it doesn't, pick it up; if you can't, paint it"
nubbins`: wood? sounds like die siedler von catan
mircea_popescu: i'd have them handpicking cotton if it comes to it.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` i meant "resources" as in warcraft2. whatever, vespene gas and the othe rone
mircea_popescu: i think in dota it's "gold" and "experience"
nubbins` shrugs helplessly
danielpbarron: pretty much, except it was warcraft3 (some might say it started in starcraft as Aeon of Strife)
mircea_popescu: Adlai sounds bout right.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu you most certainly wouldn't. you'd have them fighting overseas!
mircea_popescu: no i wouldn't.
nubbins`: i'm talking about the "you" that doesn't exist, but in this alternate world where you'd be ostensibly an american in charge of american troops
mircea_popescu: the ONLY way i'd have them fighting overseas is if congress approves this plan whereby a) all territory we step on gets granted territory status ; b) soldiers once veteranized are rewarded in homesteads there, and HAVE TO marry local
nubbins`: o look
mircea_popescu: either do it right or don't do it.
mike_c: machiavelli would say that obama should go live there awhile.
mircea_popescu: hey, i wouldn't have any problem living with these dudes.
mircea_popescu: it's the New Whiner York that i don't care for.
asciilifeform: traditional ru draft << plenty of derppathologies there despite the mega-curative 1yr painting grass green
mike_c: he said when you conquer, the prince has got to go live there to make the locals happy. and it sounds right to me.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nevertheless.
mircea_popescu: imagine, you sign up for the military, you get the guarantee that you'll be pushing shit uphill for a coupla decades, then when you're fortysomething you get a farm and an ethnic bride.
mike_c: worked for rome
asciilifeform: civis romanus sum!
mircea_popescu: "army'll make men out of you. dead or alive - that's up to you."
mircea_popescu: new slogan.
mircea_popescu: none of this "army of one" narcisiac bs.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that one was actually cancelled
mircea_popescu: not FPS enough ?
mircea_popescu: is it "army of just you" now ?
asciilifeform: iirc the last one i saw was 'be all you can be'
mike_c: be all you can be was before army of one as far as i remember
asciilifeform: then dunno
mike_c: "army strong" is current
mircea_popescu: aww, they missed out on the obvious neuroticism ? "be all you can be. and more." ???
assbot: Slogans of the United States Army - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( )
mircea_popescu: mike_c apparently reading comprehension on the downtrend huh ?
mircea_popescu: maybe next is "Nice. Good."
mike_c: army gud 4 u
mircea_popescu: gud4u, gud4me!
nubbins`: i thought boston was strong
nubbins`: the army is too?
mircea_popescu: boston took over.
nubbins` counts bombs
nubbins`: hmmm
mircea_popescu: they're not even allowing those wisconsin and indiana poofters in.
asciilifeform: i occasionally dig into vintage u.s. newspapers, magazines. interestingly, army ads from the '50s-'60s dwell on the 'sharp look' of the uniform.
asciilifeform: 'be sharp, look sharp'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well, that was calculated. what happened in 1945-49 ?
nubbins`: ^ my dad was married in his (canadian) coast guard uniform
mircea_popescu: all the kids that were 10 then musta noticed the flurry of panties
mircea_popescu: so... gotta sell it.
nubbins`: sure
mircea_popescu: nubbins` what's that like, elk horn hat, maple syrup pants ?
nubbins`: heh.
asciilifeform: it's almost a wonder that 18th c. 'gussar' uniforms didn't make a comeback
asciilifeform: complete with hat
nubbins`: double-button jacket w/ gold trim on the cuffs
nubbins`: epaulettes too, i guess
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform honestly, you could make some pretty epic uniforms for the drone flying division
mircea_popescu: they're indoors anyway
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: precisely
asciilifeform: they really ought to wear their napoleonic best
nubbins`: well, looking like a slob was a lot less acceptable in the 50s-60s too
nubbins`: it's almost expected now
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform traditional ru draft << plenty of derppathologies << yes. but they're pathologies rather than the fucking core.
asciilifeform: when i worked for (not in, must note) u.s. army, the thing that always got me was the pixellation on their camos
thestringpuller: nubbins`: 22yo college grad, now there's a thing you see less and less << took me 7 years to get through GATech. Failed Calculus like 9 times.
asciilifeform: everyone looked like the weakest monster from 'doom'
mircea_popescu: punkman: I thought the principle was to trigger immune response against cocaine molecule, not reward centre <<< you don't understand how immune works! you can only target particular proteins, which coke is not.
asciilifeform: also the notion of deploying immune reaction against small molecule...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform mooks lol
asciilifeform: srsly pixels
mircea_popescu: cheaper.
asciilifeform: big enough to see from musketry range
asciilifeform: i caught myself wondering if it was designed in 'ms paint'
mircea_popescu: how often would you say an us army / marine / etc fights within visual range of anything that'd even remotely qualify as an enemy ?
PeterL: creating immune response to small molecules would be hard to controll, you would just end up allergic to everything
mircea_popescu: such as i dunno, a bush an enemy pissed on sometime this week
mircea_popescu: PeterL fortunately body's smarter than you, won't take.
asciilifeform read up on the cocaine vaccine thing. will note that even if it works as claimed (no blood-brain barrier penetration) - the net effect, if everybody were injected, is simply to multiply the standard dose of coke for man by 1.5x or so
mircea_popescu: << look at that, marketwatch is reading last year's b-a logs
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mircea_popescu: "So far, the arguments against it seem to have been "major numebr
mircea_popescu: should go with a major new feature or breaking of compatibility",
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mircea_popescu: gotta love torvalds lol
nubbins`: asciilifeform so the cocaine sold in usa would now have to be 30-40% pure instead of 20%?
asciilifeform: nubbins`: aha
nubbins`: that's gonna hit the glucosamine suppliers where it hurts.
asciilifeform: nubbins`: the coke 'barons' would be the first to push for 'vaccine' if it had any threat of working
nubbins`: (phun phact, gym rats like coke and weighlifting supplements are invariably white powders)
mircea_popescu: i guess i will annoy everyone if i say i'm not particularly fond of coke ?
asciilifeform hasn't used it, cannot say if fond or not
mircea_popescu: what the fuck is the point of living in wash dc
mircea_popescu: srsly now.
nubbins`: also have never tried coke
nubbins`: i like things way too much to justify trying it
nubbins`: besides, i definitely do not want to snort weightlifting supplements
mircea_popescu: i don't think you can confuse cocaine with anything else.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i think he're referring to the dilutants
mircea_popescu: so buy it clean cut it with sugar.
asciilifeform: iirc this is not usually possible in small quantity
asciilifeform: sorta like asking to have -one- aluminum cd pressed.
mircea_popescu: eh get out. they won't tell you this, but a good half of the captured stuff - on the street - is actually pure.
nubbins`: "so buy it clean" o.O
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: captured from dealers
mircea_popescu: "dealers" doesn't mean what it used to mean 30 years ago.
asciilifeform: it is, as i understand, a severe taboo among them, to sell it undiluted
mircea_popescu: people are so fucking poor now a bag qualifies you as a wholesaler.
nubbins`: someone who isn't me has witnessed dealers receive new shipment, open bag, set several spoonfuls aside for sef, then dump 8-10 tbsp of random white in there
nubbins`: *self
nubbins`: if pure cocaine was sold here, people would overdose
mircea_popescu: nubbins` pure is the safest by far.
asciilifeform: i suppose if you have any schooling whatsoever, you can recrystallize it if you want
mircea_popescu: otherwise you accidentally hit a 50% as if it were a 20% and bam
nubbins`: asciilifeform you don't need schooling to make crack
nubbins`: mircea_popescu pure being the only thing around is safest, sure.
nubbins`: but dealers care less about safe and more about $$
asciilifeform: recrystallize != use it as crystal
asciilifeform: necessarily
nubbins`: do you think that guy even googled "can you snort glucosamine" before cutting his stash?
nubbins`: because i know for a fact that he didn't
mircea_popescu: actually iirc pulp fiction revolves around guy getting a proper bag and dumb ho hitting it as if it were the stuff she normally gets in clubs
nubbins`: mircea_popescu that was actually a bag of white heroin :D
nubbins`: that the girl snorted as coke
mircea_popescu: o it was ?
mircea_popescu: yeah right, cause he was shooting it up yeah
nubbins`: hence her heart stopping, 3 stabs to chest, etc
nubbins`: ("no! you only stab her once!")
mircea_popescu: that was so fucking stupiod.
nubbins`: but for srs, people have heart attacks on coke all the time
mircea_popescu: what was that needle made out of, neutronium ?
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asciilifeform: nubbins`: folks also have heart attacks in exercise, in the shitter, while shovelling dirt, etc.
nubbins`: asciilifeform: now imagine today's exercise/shit/dirt pile is at 100% (or even 80%) strength instead of 20%
nubbins`: but it looks the same
asciilifeform: nubbins`: well yes
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform actually the most common circumstance-driven attack is, older sedentary white male goes out to shovel snow.
nubbins`: this is why the purity of coke will not rise
mircea_popescu: goes back inside, warmth, poof.
asciilifeform: nubbins`: opiate users typically od, paradoxically, after successfully quitting and then doing a bit again 'for old time's sake'
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mircea_popescu: but that's heroin.
nubbins`: asciilifeform some of my favourite musicians died this way
asciilifeform: they take their customary dose, having lost the tolerance
nubbins`: bradley nowell, 1996, 7 days after marriage
asciilifeform: aha this is specific to opium
asciilifeform: e.g, death of vysotsky
thestringpuller: $bids mpoe
nubbins`: opiate users can reach terrifically high levels of tolerance
nubbins`: to the point where a dose lethal in another man will maybe stop their headache.
asciilifeform: lethal in elephant
nubbins` pulls out remaining stops
nubbins`: lethal in elephant!
nubbins`: anyway, worth noting that most recording musicians who tried heroin produced some of their best work while in the depths
mircea_popescu: anyway, clean gets you rid of all the stupid shit, anti worm medicine, drywall, w/e the fuck
nubbins`: reminds me of the time SWIM bought some adulterated marijuana
nubbins`: (not kidding)
asciilifeform: i've always wondered why american dope aficionados don't follow the 1980s soviet example and all switch to making (or at least refining) what they use personally
nubbins`: y'know how good dope has that covered-in-crystal look from all the resin-y trichomes?
mircea_popescu: and speaking of which... everyone i suppose is familiar with the otherworldly beauty of potassium permanganate ?
asciilifeform: (the first popular dope in ussr was what is today called meth, but there was no market in the usual sense. folks who took it, usually made it)
nubbins`: well, shitty dope doesn't have that, but if you spritz it with saline...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform got as better question for you. why do us dumb broads not switch to cooking at home ?
mircea_popescu: "oh, its a recession" "learned how to cook yet ?" "wut?!?!?!"
nubbins`: asciilifeform lack of skill.
nubbins`: asciilifeform:
nubbins`: ;;google krokodil
gribble: Krokodil - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <>; Krokodil (Desomorphine) Drug: Effects, Abuse & Warnings - Drugs ...: <>; The World's Deadliest Drug: Inside a Krokodil Cookhouse | TIME: <>
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: no idea. the woman - cooks
nubbins`: that's what they're cooking at home these days
mircea_popescu: yeah but you two aren't really people. you're in here.
asciilifeform: nubbins`: when opiates took off, the approach failed
nubbins`: no krokodil here, too many prescription opiates to abuse
nubbins`: until they took oxycontin off the market
nubbins`: and all the addicts just vanished
asciilifeform: not because harder to synthesize, but because not a performance-enhancer that sets one going strong in the kitchen thinking of new methods
mircea_popescu: is this krokodil thing actually as widely used as teh "horrors in russia" ussa press makes it sound /
nubbins`: opiates are definitely not a production-enhancer
nubbins`: mircea_popescu seems like meth in the usa -- cheap, so poor destitute people in poor destitute towns love it
nubbins`: there's a short Vice documentary on it, if you can stand to watch
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: my impression is that it isn't. just a very marginal synthesis with the byproducts left in, with various grotesque 'zombie' aesthetic of decaying user. makes up in sensationalism for what lacks in actual 'epidemiology.'
nubbins`: ;;google vice krokodil
gribble: Siberia: Krokodil Tears | VICE | United States: <>; Siberia: Krokodil Tears | VICE | United States: <>; Krokodil: Russia's Deadliest Drug (NSFW) - YouTube: <>
mircea_popescu: nubbins` yeah i totally want to hear what vice has to say o.O
nubbins`: heh.
nubbins`: thye show people cooking it!
asciilifeform: fact is, every modern product 'for the poor' is a kind of krokodil
nubbins`: "now we add the eye drops" "why?" "makes it stronger"
nubbins`: "now we collapse a major vein in our arms"
mircea_popescu: "why ? "
mircea_popescu: "makes it stronger"
nubbins`: anyway, as actually derpy as everything Vice produces is
asciilifeform: 'stronger', if means anything, probably meant 'burns more when injected'
nubbins`: the krokodil doc is gross enough to distract from it
nubbins`: asciilifeform definitely was not an ingredient in the reaction they were trying to make occur.
nubbins`: something along the lines of the "chili powder" meth in breaking bad
mircea_popescu: "So what the hell do we buy now? HP's quality has hit rock bottom and is starting to dig, Lenovo is doing their best to destroy the Thinkpad brand, Asus is incapable of making a device without at least one fatal flaw... is Apple the only one making laptops that aren't garbage anymroe?"
mircea_popescu: methinks the consumer has a legitimate question
nubbins`: except you don't inject meth into your bloodstream
mircea_popescu: "what should i get for this weekend, meth or krok ?!~?!?!"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: to which there is no answer
mircea_popescu: not for him anyway.
asciilifeform: or rather, the answer from the film 'war games'
BingoBoingo: <nubbins`> except you don't inject meth into your bloodstream << Sometimes actually used in this manner
asciilifeform: 'the only winning move is: not to play'
nubbins`: BingoBoingo :0 i guess the chili powder will work about as well as the eyedrops, then
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
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asciilifeform: the basic concept, as PeterL (chemist?) will attest, is that a synthesis doesn't necessarily (and most often) produce only one thing. each step will result in one or more unwanted substances, including everything that failed to react in previous steps
asciilifeform: some of the costliest operations in traditional pharma industry are recrystallizations/purifications
asciilifeform: hence for every type of -synthetic- (vs. refined from vegetation) dope, there is at least one 'krokodilian' variant where the folks making it didn't see it fit to bother with this detail.
assbot: Revealed: the countries with the best and worst diets in the world - Health News - Health & Families - The Independent ... ( )
asciilifeform: (anybody else here take o-chem in school... other than PeterL and i)
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BingoBoingo: Took a semester of o-chem in highschool
nubbins`: asciilifeform when i was in colombia, there was a byproduct called "bazouk" or similar
nubbins`: made from leavings of the coca process
asciilifeform: aha refinement waste, yes, also exists
nubbins`: colombia 7/10 would not revisit
PeterL: sometimes for o-chem reaction a 40% yield is a good day
asciilifeform: and not only for dope. in usa restaurants have been selling 'fashionable' multi-grain bread. which i fully expect is made from shavings of cutting other kinds of bread at the bakeries
BingoBoingo: chetty: Mega lol, Africa wins nutrition
nubbins`: heh.
asciilifeform: PeterL: 40% is a dream for 'cellar chemists'
nubbins`: betcha they use white flour with a handful of other grains mixed in
asciilifeform: who lack Pd/Pt catalysts, high-pressure vessels, even a proper vacuum
asciilifeform: and hence are more or less stuck with 1840s state of the art
nubbins` adds wheat germ, crushed flax, hempseed, rolled oats to bread
nubbins`: and it costs 20% of what store-bought devitaminized bread does!
PeterL: on some multi-step reactions, think 50% yield 4 times, and you are lucky to have 6% of what you started with
PeterL: alot of what I was doing the past 3 years involved trying to get %yields higher
asciilifeform: and the remaining filling in the flask, hasn't gone anywhere, but has to be removed somehow.
asciilifeform: this is what the clandestine chemists don't always bother with.
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> (anybody else here take o-chem in school << originally, 9yo me despised ochem, because no great flames like sulphur | potassium chloride etc.
mircea_popescu: then me discovered nitropaper.
mircea_popescu: chetty so who has best diet ? japan ?
mircea_popescu: "Regarding the VCs, I would give them the benefit of the doubt as well. What where they pitched?"
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The list is all African countries.
mircea_popescu: motherfucker, why does everyone want to indemnify the vcs ? they're absolutely the only guilty party in all this.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: i have elementary knowledge of O-Chem. I love dat ATP Synthase (but who doesn't?)
BingoBoingo: The countries with the healthiest diets overall were: 1. Chad 2. Sierra Leone 3. Mali 4. Gambia 5. Uganda 6. Ghana 7. Ivory Coast 8. Senegal 9. Israel 10. Somalia
mircea_popescu: eh gtfo.
mircea_popescu: what was this based on, "Fewest fat fucks" ?
BingoBoingo: Prolly
mircea_popescu: "The most reliable street test in my opinion is actually the smell of cocaine, as it has a very distinct aroma that none of the additives possess. Unfortunately, for reference, this requires you to have smelt a lot of different cocaine of certain purities, and very few people have had that opportunity. Personally, I think I could estimate cocaine purity from its scent and from looking at and tasting a few milligrams, b
mircea_popescu: ut I’ve also handled quite a lot of different batches with known purities."
mircea_popescu: heh. known since forever.
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danielpbarron: mircea_popescu> actually iirc pulp fiction revolves around guy getting a proper bag << pulp fiction doesn't "revolve around" anything -- kinda the point
danielpbarron: mircea_popescu> asciilifeform actually the most common circumstance-driven attack is, older sedentary white male goes out to shovel snow. << LOL i just did such a thing / felt like i was gonna have a heart attack :/
mircea_popescu: it's dangerous. cool temperatures favor clot formation
BingoBoingo: !up cjc
cjc: BingoBoingo, thanks for the !up
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thestringpuller: danielpbarron: re Pulp Fiction << revolves around that suitcase mainly, cept for "interlude of chick OD'ing"
thestringpuller: danielpbarron: i still have nightmares about that butt rape scene.
thestringpuller: "Are you okay?" "Nah man." "I'm pretty fucking far from okay."
danielpbarron: Mr. About-to-spend-the-rest-of-his-short-life-in-agonizing-pain
danielpbarron: i wouldn't say it revolves around the suitcase
danielpbarron: the suitcase doesn't have much to do with the fixed boxing match
danielpbarron: i suppose all the different plots relate to marcellus wallace
thestringpuller: yea that interlude is only connected after jules retires and delivers the suitcase
danielpbarron: (the guy who gets butt raped)
thestringpuller: Yea I mean Wallace gets butt raped after he retrieves the suitcase. If that has any significance...I dunno
thestringpuller: "does he look like a bitch", well zed fucked him like one. Zed's dead, but you know...
cjc: There is fixation with ass there... the story of the watch is another one.
thestringpuller: oh christopher walken
thestringpuller: you guise are making me miss the 90's
mircea_popescu: yeah, pulp fiction revolves around tarantino's latent homosexuality.
cjc: One of the problems with the 90s was... when I bought Pulp Fiction as the first DVD I purchased ever... it was in letterbox format.
cjc: I had to wait several more years for it to be in high-def on home video.
punkman: mircea_popescu: punkman: I thought the principle was to trigger immune response against cocaine molecule, not reward centre <<< you don't understand how immune works! << nuh uh I went to school and even paid attention sometimes!
mircea_popescu: well can you name any tropane alkaloid that has an immune response associated ?
punkman: nope
mircea_popescu: by far the vast majority of immune response is to proteins. the difference is about two degrees of magnitude in molecular weight.
mircea_popescu: some immune response is to an assortment of polysaccharids etc, but still.
punkman: (one of the cocaine vaccines uses big cholera protein to deliver cocaine molecule)
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punkman: nubbins`: well, shitty dope doesn't have that, but if you spritz it with saline... << if only the retards came up with saline. I've read about some assholes using spray with glass beads (the kind used to make shiny road paint) that would penetrate the flowers.
mircea_popescu: "Since cocaine must dissociate from antibody before it can be metabolized, either in plasma or liver, such results seem surprising. " I'm willing to bet they misread the data, dun actually have a response at all, but hey.
BingoBoingo: !up hollywoodundead
hollywoodundead: thank you
punkman: "I need to have a ticket to go camping in the desert"
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pete_dushenski: "Areva, the French nuclear technology giant, warned on Monday that it was facing a loss of a magnitude that raises doubts about its ability to continue operations without an injection of state funds to restore its capital. The state-controlled company expects a 2014 net loss of about 4.9 billion euros, or $5.6 billion, from a loss of €500 million a year earlier." << blame the japs!
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pete_dushenski: though nuclear must be one hell of a tough industry
mircea_popescu: actually it's cheap romanian electricity.
mircea_popescu: eu market got integrated, lot of excess capacity in the east, there it goes.
mircea_popescu: putin is hurting the west with cheap energy about 10x more than whatever "sanctions"
pete_dushenski: is romanian leccy natural gas ?
mircea_popescu: a good chunk is actually nuclear
mircea_popescu: (france supported ro bid to eu chiefly because they needed ro heavy water).
mircea_popescu: but plenty hydrocarbons.
pete_dushenski: my foggy memory of the romanian countryside is now clearning up..
pete_dushenski: i do recall seeing a few nuclear plants now
pete_dushenski: french design, neh ?
mircea_popescu: currently exporting 1gw
pete_dushenski: lol actually, ro used candu (canadian)
mircea_popescu: (a lot more in summer due to hydro and less hydrocarbon usage for heating)
pete_dushenski: at least at Cernavodă
mircea_popescu: <mircea_popescu> candu ^^
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu yup! my bad!
pete_dushenski: you're too fast for me
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: ty BingoBoingo
mircea_popescu: << in which we find most hn readers are pakistani ?
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ascii_field: mircea_popescu, BingoBoingo, ^^
mircea_popescu: lol. they don't, obv.
BingoBoingo: ascii_field: One of the lizards got drunk on the interent?
ascii_field: BingoBoingo: lizardEliza
pete_dushenski: "United States Department of State has YET TO FEEL THE WRATH OF THE LLAMACOIN "
pete_dushenski: this guy's too good
pete_dushenski: maybe he's on reddit
mircea_popescu: maybe he's on lice powder.
ascii_field: let's play however.
ascii_field: imagine actual 3/4 inch tape
ascii_field: therefore almost certainly, a 'u-matic'
mircea_popescu: do i need to quote at you ?
mircea_popescu: "That's what it is. There's no such thing as "an idea", for damn sure."
mircea_popescu: that tape, it's nothing but a fetish of "an idea".
ascii_field: well sure
mircea_popescu: "You can't have an idea. It's not a thing, not something to "have". It's not like a chocolate cake, you get your hands on it that's that, it's yours."
mircea_popescu: "oh what if i make it a chocolate tape then!!1"
mircea_popescu: not how this works.
ascii_field: trying to reverse-engineer the theatrical props here
ascii_field: to see in what kind of studio the production was filmed.
ascii_field: of the fantasy.
mircea_popescu: you mean the commenter's ?
mircea_popescu: he sounds like run of the mill overstimulated geek to me.
ascii_field: usually there are obvious technical gaffes
ascii_field: in these
mircea_popescu: all the way down to "imagine all the people derping in harmonee"
ascii_field connoisseur
mircea_popescu: you mean ascii field_connoisseur ?
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: yes but that's normal acid trip not technical gaffe
ascii_field: separate the two
pete_dushenski: "Monsanto said Wednesday its earnings fell 34% in its first fiscal quarter" << fucken derps following cisco to the grave. such paper signers.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field so anything good ?
ascii_field: it's short enough, just read it
ascii_field: good lulz
mircea_popescu: i skimmed. was curious more in the method of separating the two, if meaningfully applicable.
mircea_popescu: ;;google E4A966FF04DD296A41F5AAD497C64494
gribble: No matches found.
mircea_popescu: v3 srsly ?
ascii_field: iirc there was once support for 128b md5 fp
mircea_popescu: yeh. while ago.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7729 @ 0.00041953 = 3.2425 BTC [-] {2}
ascii_field: and which loftus ?
assbot: John Loftus (author) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( )
mircea_popescu: imo this is pointless wankery.
ascii_field: not if we spoodge
assbot: Last 8 lines bashed and pending review. ( )
mircea_popescu: << tlp's sufferances as an amateur financier on an etrade account, and his efforts to cope and come to terms with it is a whole opera in and of itself.
assbot: The Last Psychiatrist: Economy: Where We Go From Here ... ( )
ascii_field: the clock ad on that site is hilarious
mircea_popescu: funny how the otherwise very competent psych does not feel comfortable taking off the coat and hat, and waddling in the mud modestly like any amateur.
ascii_field: it's 1500 again and clocks have one hand ?
mircea_popescu: it has ads ?
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: ty BingoBoingo
BingoBoingo: Oh reddit disappeared, but didn't really delete a qntra link... again
assbot: The Superfish Funder List : programming ... ( )
BingoBoingo: No longer visible on pages
mircea_popescu: programming, this time. clearly it's happening without the subreddit mod's knowledge, there's no overlap about bitcoin tards and programmers.
mircea_popescu: mind leaving a link to log on article discussing this for future ?
ascii_field: '...the Venture Capital Firms which made Superfish possible...' << lol! amerika where even spamware tr0j4n needs vc investment
ascii_field: can i get vc funding to sp4m l1k3 4 pr0? plz?
mircea_popescu: you gotta eat a lot of conference salty biscuit first.
ascii_field: very salty
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00041988 = 2.8132 BTC [+]
assbot: The Superfish Funder List | ... ( )
ascii_field: bukkakiscuit
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16051 @ 0.0004202 = 6.7446 BTC [+]
assbot: "These fools have been handed a technology so clever, so disruptive and revolutionary, that the rulers of the world would have to fully unmask themselves as ruthless tyrants in order to suppress it, — or give up their thrones on their own free will — if it were used correctly, that is." pe Trile ... ( )
assbot: It's Easy To Call Us A Tiny Minority When You Engage In Vote Manipulation | ... ( )
assbot: ButterNubber comments on The Superfish Funder List ... ( )
ascii_field: 'cryptome' under extra-thick ddos today...
BingoBoingo: ascii_field: Noticed that a few hours ago
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i meant the other way :D
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Ah, now I'm more confused than ever
mircea_popescu: i just want a functional reference point tree for when this topic is discussed in future. currently, my go-to link for "reddit manipulation" is either the trilema or the qntrea article. it's beneficial if they somewhere (like in comments) have a link to a later case they didn't substantially cover
ascii_field: at 'hackernews' hand-twiddling the story ratings and outright burial ordered from above has been sop since day one. but the reddit cesspool has generally been left alone (other than by armies of muppets, electric and meat alike) until recently.
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 344843 | Current Difficulty: 4.668437631686029E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 346751 | Next Difficulty In: 1908 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 weeks, 0 days, 3 hours, 12 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 43058313524.9 | Estimated Percent Change: -7.76719
ascii_field: re: sata on netbsd: i get same effect (garbage read for drive manuf. name and lba max params on init) if plugging in sata drive on original uboot console
ascii_field: (in uboot shell)
ascii_field: there's some magic init trick
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: danke BingoBoingo!
ascii_field: if one of you fellas can come up with a copy of the src used to build that archlinux kernel, it contains The Answer (tm)
ascii_field: the original marvell-patched kernel mod is mega-gnarly
ascii_field: (the one on pogo's www)
BingoBoingo: !up jdkll
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31185 @ 0.00042051 = 13.1136 BTC [+] {2}
ascii_field: The "critical" employees would be working without the expectation of receiving a pay check. << not really
ascii_field: the whole 'shutdown' circus is wholly for show.
assbot: The Mac Facilitates Spying Too | Zit Seng's Blog ... ( )
jurov: apple is such a whore with 214 root certs preinstalled?
BingoBoingo: ascii_field: But in fiat land with monthly bill payments, even a delay can be catastrophic to the stooge
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00041893 = 4.1893 BTC [-]
ascii_field: jurov: i still don't get why usg would use anything other than the most 'respectable' root certs ('verisign' et al) for their shenanigans
NewLiberty: 'Jeh C. Johnson, the Homeland Security secretary, said that it was “indulging in a fantasy to believe you can shut down the Department of Homeland Security and there be no impact to homeland security itself.”' Sure it might become more secure when the security theater show ends and people start taking personal responsibility.
ascii_field: deniability? sure, 'umm sorry taiwanese factory, umm, lost, signing key' a la stuxnet
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15550 @ 0.00042123 = 6.5501 BTC [+]
jurov: cryptome is down.. are we the new slashdot?
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: ty BingoBoingo
BingoBoingo: !up wayne
BingoBoingo: Hello wayne
wayne: thanks for the +v
wayne: hi
mircea_popescu: <ascii_field> The "critical" employees would be working without the expectation of receiving a pay check. << not really << check it out, usg trying to steal b-a.
ascii_field: they still get paid
ascii_field: (but no interest on late wages, iirc)
ascii_field: and they don't clock in 'for the motherland' but to keep the job
wayne: what is this channel for? general btc discussion? the website is a big ambiguous.
wayne: bit, rather
mircea_popescu: this is where bitcoin policy is set.
mircea_popescu: generally you are expected to read the logs for the next year to get acclimated.
wayne: hey joecool
felipelalli: wayne: the rule here is: read the full log and back next year. We'll wait.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22448 @ 0.00041923 = 9.4109 BTC [-]
felipelalli: (PS: I'm still reading)
chetty: don't worry if you miss a day, someone will point it out (happens to me all the time)
wayne: so everyone starts reading from april 26th?
ben_vulpes: sometimes april 1st
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11036 @ 0.00041893 = 4.6233 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6864 @ 0.00041892 = 2.8755 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: for my curiosity, anyone still remember the elizabeth smart thing ? "kidnapped" 14yo utah blondie goes to party with "kidnappers" etc ?
mircea_popescu: apud Ballas : "I know, I know, she's only 15-- terrified, Stockholm Syndrome, etc. And I have no right to judge her (in)actions since I am not her, I didn't live her life. Though that brings us back to the black teen: why is fear an acceptable explanation for poor judgment, but anger is not? (Hint: they're both not.)"
mircea_popescu: in point of fact you can readily distinguish the male dominated society from the female dominated society, because they each succumb to their own foibles.
mircea_popescu: in dudeland anger is accepted explanation, fear is not. in broadland, the reverse.
mircea_popescu: yes, they're both not. hasn't yet happened on god's green earth tho.
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: ty BingoBoingo!
mircea_popescu: wayne well not everyone joins at the same time.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9086 @ 0.00041892 = 3.8063 BTC [-]
punkman: wayne, good day to start is when voice requirement was introduced
punkman: also the search engine is great for finding interesting threads from the past
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14914 @ 0.00041431 = 6.179 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18415 @ 0.00040134 = 7.3907 BTC [-]
chetty: And I have no right to judge her (in)actions since I am not her// the root of much evil in this world
mircea_popescu: i also have no right to calculate sun's orbit, as i'm no sun.
assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( )
mircea_popescu: this is techniucally correct, i have NO RIGHT. nor do i wish to have such a right, fuck rights with a solder rifle.
mircea_popescu: i have the fucking freedom to do it, and im dying with it.
thestringpuller: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: ty thestringpuller!
thestringpuller: !up wayne
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2585 @ 0.00040134 = 1.0375 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3015 @ 0.00039851 = 1.2015 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4800 @ 0.0004136 = 1.9853 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11450 @ 0.00041923 = 4.8002 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11150 @ 0.00039851 = 4.4434 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: !up Jezzz
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15335 @ 0.00039851 = 6.1112 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20581 @ 0.00039845 = 8.2005 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: !up plonky
plonky: thank BingoBoingo
plonky: just created new gpg keypair
plonky: and registered to gribble
plonky: im hegemoOn
mike_c: mircea_popescu: re your asshole post. I believe GOOG split in the meantime..
plonky: but anyway new nickname, as far as i lost my previous gpg key associated with hegemoOn
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14667 @ 0.00041186 = 6.0408 BTC [+] {3}
danielpbarron: !gettrust plonky
assbot: plonky is not registered in WoT.
plonky: i just ;;eauth
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8783 @ 0.00042149 = 3.7019 BTC [+] {3}
plonky: 22:50:10 gribble | You are now authenticated for user plonky with key BACBCE400996EB88
danielpbarron: plonky, which bot responded to me when I typed '!gettrust' ?
plonky: assbot
danielpbarron: athereyougo
plonky: !help
plonky: seems the fingerprint of my key isnt satisfying assbot
mircea_popescu: mike_c hm, i remember them wanting to for years but then they got sued not to
mircea_popescu: never heard that being ruled on so i just asumed they dropped it.
assbot: Mossad contradicted Netanyahu on Iran nuclear programme - Al Jazeera English ... ( )
mats: that pic lol.
mircea_popescu: in other news, there was an explosion like... 5 blocks from where i live.
mircea_popescu: mike_c turns out they did last year. thanks!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19200 @ 0.00039447 = 7.5738 BTC [-]
mike_c: yw.
danielpbarron: ;;ident plonky
gribble: Nick 'plonky', with hostmask 'plonky!', is identified as user 'plonky', with GPG key id BACBCE400996EB88, key fingerprint 6F227EFC5B577AE959E13138BACBCE400996EB88, and bitcoin address None
danielpbarron: plonky, are you using this one ----------^
plonky: ok
danielpbarron: try it in here so kakobrekla can see
danielpbarron: !up plonky
plonky: !register plonky 6F227EFC5B577AE959E13138BACBCE400996EB88
assbot: That does not seem to be a valid fingerprint.
plonky: maybe im too stupid
plonky: yeah it's me :)
mircea_popescu: try !register 6F227EFC5B577AE959E13138BACBCE400996EB88
plonky: !register 6F227EFC5B577AE959E13138BACBCE400996EB88
assbot: Searching for key with fingerprint: 6F227EFC5B577AE959E13138BACBCE400996EB88. This may take a few moments.
assbot: Key 0996EB88 / "netmonk <>" successfully imported.
assbot: Registration successful.
plonky: ok so my trust is 0
plonky: so pretty useless at the moment !
plonky: ty mircea_popescu
plonky: and danielpbarron
mircea_popescu: so what do you do ?
plonky: well, don't know :) i can ask fluffypony to rate me again :)
danielpbarron: !gettrust hegemoOn
assbot: Trust relationship from user danielpbarron to user hegemoOn: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. | |
mircea_popescu: plonky you do archlinux ?
plonky: mircea_popescu: yes :)
plonky: you can find me on the archwiki
plonky: in the security team :)
plonky: and few commint on other topic
mircea_popescu: peeps been trying to get a pogoplug arch system going for a while, prolly can help with that
plonky: pogoplug ?
assbot: Logged on 23-02-2015 19:29:52; ascii_field: if one of you fellas can come up with a copy of the src used to build that archlinux kernel, it contains The Answer (tm)
danielpbarron: there is a bug in netbsd regarding sata drives that archlinux does not have
plonky: well, kernel are compiled and distributed as binary
plonky: as far you know on archlinux
plonky: but a mail on mailing list could help or /join #archlinux
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14861 @ 0.00039443 = 5.8616 BTC [-]
bitstein: Assbot should have a reminder command.
assbot: /hashtag/blockchains?src=hash are a friggin database technology; 5 years down I doubt any users will care what the underlying network token is
plonky: i bet ascii_field is asciilifeform ?
fluffypony: plonky: did you break your GPG?
plonky: fluffypony: yeah
fluffypony: ;;rated hegemoon
gribble: You rated user hegemoon on Wed Jul 2 08:48:10 2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: smooth PPEUR for XMR trade, no issues.
plonky: it was a time monero was meaning something :)
plonky: 170 euros, 200 monero iirc
fluffypony: ;;rate plonky 1 PPEUR / XMR historical trade with hegemoon, who subsequently lost access to his GPG key and has had to move to a new account
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user plonky has been recorded.
plonky: :)
plonky: thanks sir
danielpbarron slaps fluffypony around a bit with a large assbot
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9536 @ 0.00039998 = 3.8142 BTC [+]
fluffypony: !rate plonky 1 PPEUR / XMR historical trade with hegemoon, who subsequently lost access to his GPG key and has had to move to a new account
assbot: Request successful, get your OTP:
plonky: thanks again
fluffypony: how do I verify the rating?
fluffypony: (once the string has been decrypted I mean)
assbot: Need a decrypted verification string.
fluffypony: !v assbot:fluffypony.rate.plonky.1:2dc1b7ff690f2bd0c195b81db1a34d09eaefb5da684e8997ff0eaa8f861c0589
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for plonky with note: PPEUR / XMR historical trade with hegemoon, who subsequently lost access to his GPG key and has had to move to a new account
fluffypony: thanks danielpbarron
danielpbarron: things and strings go in the V
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: ty BingoBoingo!
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: peeps been trying to get a pogoplug arch system going for a while << actually, we - or, rather me - have been trying to get it -off- arch
ascii_field: because it's a fucking hog
mircea_popescu: did the mystery bit ever get resolved ?
ascii_field: not yet
assbot: svntogit/packages.git - Git clone of the 'packages' repository ... ( )
ascii_field schmuck occupied all day with PayingWork (tm)
plonky: this one is the answer
plonky: with all the patch included to kernel compilation in archlinux
ascii_field: plonky: do you know for certain that this is the very same arch as was published (see log) for use on 'pogo' ?
plonky: if you can explain what mean "for use on pogo", i would understand better :)
ascii_field: or wtf
assbot: Pogoplug Series 4 | Arch Linux ARM ... ( )
ascii_field: that's an x86 build script
ascii_field: (what plonky linked to)
plonky: ok
ascii_field: nothing whatsoever to do with us
plonky: i better understand :)
plonky: so /join #archlinux-arm
danielpbarron stabs plonky
BingoBoingo: !up plonky
ascii_field: but where's the source
plonky: ascii_field: which arm version ?
BingoBoingo: !s bucket
assbot: 108 results for 'bucket' :
BingoBoingo: plonky: Arm v5, pogoplug v4
assbot: PKGBUILDs/PKGBUILD at master · archlinuxarm/PKGBUILDs · GitHub ... ( )
plonky: this is the pkgbuild of the kernel
ascii_field: plonky, others: it isn't just a question of 'which arm'
ascii_field: but specific system-on-chip that has all the peripherals
ascii_field: ^ described here
ascii_field: the ethernet, sata, usb, etc. are all on same die
ascii_field: but it's a little-endian arm 5, yes.
plonky: ascii_field: ok look at my url, it point to the kernel config of kirkwood release !
ascii_field: ty plonky
ascii_field: that's probably it.
ascii_field: will have to build and run the damn thing to be sure
ascii_field: if one of you folks with free time want to do this - appreciated.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4939 @ 0.00040963 = 2.0232 BTC [+]
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: in other news, there was an explosion like... 5 blocks from where i live << what was the detonation velocity ?
plonky switched from archlinux-arm to cubian on his cubieboard btw
assbot: The Spy Cables: A glimpse into the world of espionage - Al Jazeera English ... ( )
ascii_field: plonky: ultimate goal is netbsd with maximally stripped down kernel and scarcely any userland at all beyond bitcoind
ascii_field: whole shebang should weigh a couple of MB gzipped.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27561 @ 0.00040963 = 11.2898 BTC [+]
ben_vulpes: i can sorta read -assets logs backwards now
ben_vulpes: neat trick, that
danielpbarron: i think i finally bricked a pogo; rebooted the one with the netconsole thing setup (which has worked in the past) and now i get nothing out of it :<
danielpbarron: "bricked" // i'll just use this one when my usb thingy arrives
assbot: PKGBUILDs/archlinuxarm.patch at master · archlinuxarm/PKGBUILDs · GitHub ... ( )
plonky: ascii_field: lot of SATA reference in this patchfile
danielpbarron: nevermind false alarm
assbot: PKGBUILDs/archlinuxarm.patch at master · archlinuxarm/PKGBUILDs · GitHub ... ( )
plonky: is it similar behaviour you have on netbsd ?
plonky: i mean stop of work after few minutes ?
ascii_field: never works at all
ascii_field: so probably not
plonky: and what does the netbsd guy say ?
ascii_field: and on second thought we don't have a 88sx7042 either
BingoBoingo: scoopbot -fetch
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31900 @ 0.00042192 = 13.4592 BTC [+] {2}
ascii_field: netbsd guy ?
plonky: yeah netbsd developpers, who are in charge of arm support
plonky: because it's easy to have a kernel booting and displaying lines in console
danielpbarron: plonky, do you know of any such people in the WoT?
plonky: but a bit harder to have a full hardware support
plonky: danielpbarron: not that i know
plonky: i mean, sending email to the right mailing list explaining your problem
plonky: can bring the official dev support
ascii_field: anyone's guess if he has the time, inclination, or this particular piece of hardware to even try
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: ty BingoBoingo
assbot: NetBSD mailing lists ... ( )
ascii_field: plonky: the one thing definitely known is that the bug is specific to this one particular marvell soc
plonky: one of my systema trainer once told me : if you don't ask, you will never get answer
mircea_popescu: ascii_field about the same as an unladden swallow
mircea_popescu: (was gas thing, killed a guy_
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: i thought your tool gave a number
mircea_popescu: i don't personally do everything!
mircea_popescu: i tend to limit what i personally do to women.
ascii_field: good idea if engineering-practical
mircea_popescu: plonky looky, the question here is whether you can be useful not whether he needs some advice.
ascii_field: i was just about to say.
ascii_field does not need to be told, usually, that 'it works better if you plug it in'
ascii_field: and neither do the other folks in #b-a
ascii_field: but to be fair: plonky found for me what i asked for
ascii_field: (the archturd)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13003 @ 0.00040388 = 5.2517 BTC [-] {2}
plonky: alright
plonky: i will keep advice for myself, no offense.
BingoBoingo: plonky: It takes time to get to know what advice might be useful as opposed to being noise, that's what the reading is for.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23729 @ 0.00039355 = 9.3385 BTC [-] {3}
danielpbarron: i got my pogo to load asciilifeform's netbsd.ub over ftp, and it stops at "Starting kernel ..." // is this step supposed to get a long time?
ben_vulpes: i generally know the thing needs plugging in but frequently find myself unable to line up the right pins with the right sockets
ben_vulpes: end up ripping the fixture out of the wall and soldering things together.
ben_vulpes: because abandonware.
BingoBoingo: !up plonky
BingoBoingo: !up arvicco
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23100 @ 0.00039234 = 9.0631 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44050 @ 0.0003916 = 17.25 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: what kind of output were you expecting to see without a serial cable ?!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25150 @ 0.00039479 = 9.929 BTC [+]
danielpbarron: asciilifeform, none; just confirming my expectations
danielpbarron: is the netcat thing even needed?
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: it's needed if you have no serial cable and want to screw with uboot
asciilifeform: otherwise not at all.
asciilifeform: unrelated/historical >> << 'not a bunker w/out spring mounted toilet!'
assbot: ATT Chesterfield ... ( )
mircea_popescu: i wonder what they think "nuclear hardened" means.
assbot: Mysterious Cold War bunker closes | ... ( )
asciilifeform: (architectural/historical interest)
mircea_popescu: 5feet doesn't sound like much.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I find the historical bunker bezzel fascinating. Especially with the missile sites that were getting outdated and replaced within 5 years. The ATT bunkers though... some nice real estate
asciilifeform: of earth; more of cement
asciilifeform: bunker-building was a major racket in usa
asciilifeform: at one time
asciilifeform: and afaik nobody cancelled bunkers, but the 'golden age of usg' gigantomania is gone.
BingoBoingo: Well, private bunkers are the new racket
mircea_popescu: 40acres for 200k.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: private 'gtfo' arrangements are the new racket
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: That too. Still some people do brisk business selling corrugated steel tubes
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: << even more, incl. period equipment
assbot: ATT Cheshire underground facility. ... ( )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21600 @ 0.00039151 = 8.4566 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: Ah, more toilet springs
asciilifeform: found that site by sheer accident, while idly looking for what's commercial state of the art in shock wave detectors
asciilifeform: (from earlier thread)
asciilifeform out of date on the subject
mircea_popescu: i'm not terribly impressed with the depicted blastdoors, but anyway
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: according to the historical docs, the sites in question were rated for particular 'overpressures' - and some were 'graded down' upon inspection after constructed
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Definitely a particularly interesting site. Microwave tower is rather thin on antennas so facility must have had other serious justification
asciilifeform: so mircea_popescu is not the only one who wasn't impressed
asciilifeform: builders sc4mz0r3d usg
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: horns
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: you need one (or two, redundant) for each direction of link
asciilifeform: and the horns themselves were merely backups for the more famous underground coax
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Sure, but The towers around here tend to have more horns and more tower for mounting horns
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: there are horns where you live ?!
mircea_popescu: you thinking cellphgone microwave drums ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: We have a big microwave tower on the north side of town
mircea_popescu: slightly different item
asciilifeform: very different.
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BingoBoingo: Common arrangement in the Middle West
BingoBoingo: "Longline" service
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: looks quite like the others.
asciilifeform: can even see the cracks on the asphalt.
asciilifeform: probably not sold at time of photo.
BingoBoingo: Well no reason not to. Just maybe it is an elevation thing but CT bunker seems like it could have moar tower
asciilifeform: elevation thing
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asciilifeform: in addition to the classical horns
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what's that ?!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: or, more specifically, what is the flying object
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asciilifeform: << hilarious bezzlatron
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BingoBoingo: Mega lol, where's the robot's Mosin?
asciilifeform: can connect alarm out cable to whatever?
BingoBoingo: If Intel can plan on sending silicon to abadon anything is possible
asciilifeform secretly imagines the opposite of this firm
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform a nato round expelled
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: just now?
mircea_popescu: in the gif. is what you meant ?
asciilifeform: i was still thinking about the wave detector!
asciilifeform: but it all makes sense now
asciilifeform: should've noticed the earmuffs
mircea_popescu: << actually tlp has excellent working theory on 'what happened'.
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mircea_popescu: baby boomers checked out of society, their kids were raised by the tv set, the result is the current usg.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: old ('60s-'70s?) news ?
mircea_popescu: not news in any sense. well stated.
mircea_popescu: it also means no meta nsa you know.
asciilifeform: why'd that be
asciilifeform: not everybody's a degenerate
mircea_popescu: not how this works. biological samples are either uniformly infected or not infected.
asciilifeform: now, granted, i don't work at meta-nsa...
asciilifeform: but the folks i work with weren't raised by tv.
asciilifeform: nor was the woman
asciilifeform: nor any of the people i associate with voluntarily in meatspace, really
asciilifeform: not a uniform infection, this.
mircea_popescu: but what that does is... it takes them out of sample.
asciilifeform: meta-nsa can also take out of sample, no ?
asciilifeform: or what, ant can do, but elephant cannot ?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> it also means no meta nsa you know. << That show in particular was designed to bring about reddit society
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo only retrospectively. prospectively, it was designed to bring about "a better world", as some people imagined it.
mircea_popescu: that "a better world" as some people imagine it is always laughably derpy is no secret.
cazalla: that oscar was such a troll, down voting
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: And in every "about" derp they mention the "better world" being governance via reddit and tumblr ethics
mircea_popescu: if you don't know very much, all sorts of stuff smells like salvation.
BingoBoingo: And it's no coincidence that Elmo was played by a chomo
mircea_popescu: some idiots somewhere put pen to paper cca 1700 to communicate the idea that "if only we made the children of the scum literate the word would be a paradise"
BingoBoingo: No, just means you have to sort through "literate" scum to find literature
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mircea_popescu: they're going to have a dating/selfhelp for this, too ?
mircea_popescu: pretty soon derps in prison so numerous actual prisoners are too wtf'd at these idiots running around dreaming a little dream they just hang themselves ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lulzier still, there are -schools- for 'white collar' derps who are expecting prison
asciilifeform: as in, expensive 'academies' where... something or other.. is taught
mircea_popescu: no wai ?!
asciilifeform doesn't have the link handy
BingoBoingo: "Kerness says she sends the manual to anyone who writes to her organization asking for one. Until recently she had no trouble getting the materials into people’s hands, but recently, she says she has started receiving pushback from some facilities."
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: "Get ready for prison" camp is actually a thing is USia
hanbot: west joint?
mircea_popescu: does it go "kill someone on your first day, the flimsier reason the better, the more blood the better" ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo is it like the "baby delivery" school, in that it involves "all family members" for maximal bezzletronicity ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Seems to from what I can find on the subject.
BingoBoingo: also a lot of "Eastern" meditate and Zen bullshit
mircea_popescu: do they have pay per view in prison yet ?
BingoBoingo: They have cable in the county jail I've heard through reports
mircea_popescu: why not ? bad for the economy.
BingoBoingo: Just extended basic though
mircea_popescu: "No matter how many episodes of Orange Is the New Black you’ve binge-watched, the experience of life behind bars is basically unfathomable to those of us who have only ever known freedom."
mircea_popescu: gtfo, what usian has known freedom ?!
mircea_popescu: they're so fucking free they despair for a guide of "how to behave" in prison.
mircea_popescu: god forbid you misbehave. they may jail you!
asciilifeform secret connoisseur of 'rotting in prison' literature. has most of a bookcase - and none is in eng. doesn't know of any in that language worth keeping
BingoBoingo: I've heard reports that county jail isnt so bad, worst part is the stigma from people on the outside
mircea_popescu: ironically, most married with children white collar men i know would actually enjoy prison
mircea_popescu: they're petrified of it, of course, but it'd be a rational move for them.
asciilifeform: how's that
mircea_popescu: state's paying your mortgage, for one.
asciilifeform: not everybody likes buggery..
mircea_popescu: ever seen someone in that demo be BORED ?
mircea_popescu: eh get out.
mircea_popescu: most people don't bother fucking their wives, why do you imagine they'd bother with some dude.
asciilifeform: wai wat
mircea_popescu: ask around.
BingoBoingo: I don't have children so would like to avoid prison and buggery. Still my survival strategy would consist largely of join the first white power gang that comes knocking.
asciilifeform checks coordinates, seems like on same planet as mircea_popescu - but wat
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform stop the first woman over 30 you see, ask her if she had sex today.
BingoBoingo: !up nullB
asciilifeform would have to leave the bubble dome to do mircea_popescu's suggested experiment
asciilifeform on typical day doesn't see any women other than one kept as pet
mircea_popescu: now multiply this by a reddit, and you see where we are.
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mircea_popescu: but it's fine, send the pet out on a fact finding expedition.
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asciilifeform: pet could quite likely walk until its legs give out, without finding the fact
mircea_popescu: what if you get 12 out of 12 nos ?
mircea_popescu: will it be a meta-fucking ?
asciilifeform: i can believe this
mircea_popescu: most people don't bother fucking their wives. why'd they bother with some random dude.
asciilifeform: afaik this normally happens because the wife breaks down
mircea_popescu: not to say rape doesn't exist in prison. however, celebrity also exists in california.
mircea_popescu: you can live a whole life w/o running into either just fine.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> most people don't bother fucking their wives. why'd they bother with some random dude. << Prolly so random dude doesn't fuck them. WHy do dogs sniff assholes
mircea_popescu: i never heard of a farmer not milking his cows because "they broke down", or not slaugthering the pigs etc.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there is not (yet!) an industry in usa devoted to helping pigs slaughter farmers
mircea_popescu: anyway, to make this easier to approach, i would propose the situation depicted in american history x is perhaps the best summary of the situation.
mircea_popescu: there's exactly one rape there, and it comes out of a political struggle.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> there's exactly one rape there, and it comes out of a political struggle. << Is rape ever anything other than politics?
mircea_popescu: well that's complicated.
mircea_popescu: a while back i ran a "what'd you do with 100k euro" thing on my blog (because some fucktarded populists were "promoting a law" to give every schmuck 20k - romanians don't want living wages, they want universal windfalls)
mircea_popescu: most people that had a decent career etc wanted - 1 year's vacation. and to sleep.
asciilifeform salivates
asciilifeform has sleep fantasies
mircea_popescu: so they put you in this place, which is fundamentally quiet. you can't be disturbed.
mircea_popescu: think about it.
mircea_popescu: and then... well... you can sleep.
asciilifeform: aha lol in what country
mircea_popescu: you can think.
mircea_popescu: in all countries.
asciilifeform: gotta get really lucky in usa to go straight to supermax
mircea_popescu: solitary is a "punishment"
asciilifeform: (usg term for the classic dungeon where you get to sit alone)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but understand : there can be no further emergencies.
mircea_popescu: nothing's important.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> gotta get really lucky in usa to go straight to supermax << Illinois closed its onlu supermax at Tamms not long ago. Now there is only Noisemax unless you go federal
asciilifeform: interestingly, ru supermax is 2 schmucks per cell.
asciilifeform: (modern ru)
asciilifeform: at any rate, the 'eat a horse' effect is at work
asciilifeform: very few people would enjoy actually eating the horse
asciilifeform: or, more to the point, drinking the sea
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: You forget failed Anglos founded USia, roommate jsut means orfice to use as escape from sensory deprivation
mircea_popescu: some time with their thoughts hindered no adult thinker.
mircea_popescu: getting to do it while someone else pays for it - not just the roof and food, but the "whose fault it is!" is ideal.
mircea_popescu: in other news, finally discovered the reason contemporary muzak sucks so bad.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> some time with their thoughts hindered no adult thinker. << No guarentee roommate would be adult thinker
mircea_popescu: eh, what's he gonna do, dance all night ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: did the 20k thing ever actually happen ?
mircea_popescu: nor did any of the guys end up in prison
mircea_popescu: it is the fate of the intellectual to discuss things that shall never be.
asciilifeform: the 'living wage' thing is much closer to things that actually happen, because pumping staight from treasury to rentiers (who jack prices immediately on anything subsidized) is apparently a-ok
asciilifeform: (see the u.s. 'college racket' etc)
mircea_popescu: you gotta understand, you go to jail in romania for being a socialist.
asciilifeform: anyone actually sitting for this at the moment ?
mircea_popescu: well, they released adrian nastase
mircea_popescu: but plenty in yes.
mircea_popescu: (adrian nastase ~= nancy pelosi)
asciilifeform: plenty in 'for socialism' ?
asciilifeform: how's that work - what did they actually -do-
mircea_popescu: be part of the red party.
decimation: re: living wage < in the us, if you sum up everyone on section 8 rent subsidy, medicaid, medicare, social security, mortgage deduction and then us mil, us civil service, you probably have swedish level 'welfare'
mircea_popescu: college aid ?
decimation: if I were president, the first order I would make would be to released the list of everyone who receives money from the list above
asciilifeform: decimation: in general there's nothing secret about who they are - you can mostly tell by street address
decimation: asciilifeform: if you drill, you find that the bureaucracy that disburses these payments is extremely jealous about releasing exact details
decimation: for obvious reasons
decimation: in fact, it's illegal for a real estate agent in the us to tell you how many welfare cases live on a street
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BingoBoingo: decimation: Part of the obstacle is there's no unified list
decimation: BingoBoingo: this is no accident
BingoBoingo: decimation: I'm not so sure
BingoBoingo: Could be incompetence
decimation: do the checks arrive monthly? are the ebt cards filled?
decimation: someone has a list of accounts
decimation: if pressed, I'm sure the bureaucracy would bleat that it needs to protect the 'privacy' of the recipient
BingoBoingo: decimation: The problem is separation
BingoBoingo: There's no master list
BingoBoingo: Shit is compartmented to hell
decimation: some of the programs mentioned above are run by the states
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ben_vulpes: so it seems a good exercise would be to release that list of recipients anyways.
mircea_popescu: i imagine a better question would be to ask why the fuck does this matter.
ben_vulpes: to poke the bear?
decimation: mircea_popescu: don't you think shame is a motivator?
ben_vulpes: to let people pick the density of welfare cases in their area?
mircea_popescu: suppose i discover my next door neighbour receives 10 bn pesos from argentine government each week.
ben_vulpes: it's not you, it's the americans.
mircea_popescu: good for her, i guess. or him w/e.
mircea_popescu: well but see ? russian guy comes into play. "why the fuck wouldn't i take money if i can get away with it ? and why aren't you fucking cheering me for it!"
ben_vulpes: yeah, 's always been my attitude.
decimation: perhaps one component is that folks in the us imagine their tax dollars going elsewhere
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes decimation Honestly I think people who run up bezzel debt and weaken fiat are heros
mircea_popescu: decimation perhaps the delusion here is that the fucking govt is an enemy not an alter ego ?
mircea_popescu: which is really not the fault of poor/lazy/stupid people
decimation: well, if you think the government is an enemy and confiscates your stuff, what do you think about the guy who is wallowing in the proceeds?
mircea_popescu: in any case it's not "your" tax dollars. it's obama's. he already stole them from you.
mircea_popescu: they're his now.
decimation: yes I agree
decimation: the illusion was thinking that were 'yours' in the first place
mircea_popescu: well wtf do i care, some guy steals some back ? more power to him.
mircea_popescu: i hope he steals it all.
mircea_popescu: a bureaucrat, getting paid "fairly" is a problem, yes. but a leech ? a leech is a revolutionary.
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decimation: there is a large component of america (in the upper classes) that still has a belief that those dollars in their accounts are 'theirs' (in the 'sovereign citizen' sense)
decimation: such an attitude is obviously silly when exposed to any facts
danielpbarron: is it possible to get money from USG without strings attached?
decimation: re: fiat heros < ron paul agrees: “Sanity will not return to US leaders until our financial system collapses — an event for which they are feverishly working,” and “Before we can actually restore our liberties, we most likely will have to become a lot less free and much poorer.”
decimation: danielpbarron: well, simply making less than the amount required for the earned income tax credit gives you free money from the irs
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danielpbarron: and you'll need it because that's not enough to live on
decimation: to get the 'whole package', you are going to need to be a minority more than likely
decimation: you want section 8 subsidy for rent (as long as you are poor), food stamps for food (trade stuff on ebay for stuff you want), and medicaid for medical insurance
decimation: the trifecta is social security disability. If you can prove that you are 'unable to work', you will be able to collect social security too
decimation: I think asciilifeform said that the guy who wrote templeos is living on that racket
BingoBoingo: decimation: As TLp notes there are gradients of SSDI and SSI
asciilifeform: to let people pick the density of welfare cases in their area << they already can! (price)
danielpbarron: i'm too lazy for all that work; it's easier to just do something useful in exchange for money
decimation: danielpbarron: yeah it would take a good year or two of concerted effort to con/harass the appropriate 'social workers' into giving you what you want
decimation: plus if you have any history of working at all, you are not gonna make the SSDI
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ...but a leech ? a leech is a revolutionary. << usg welfare folks aren't leeches, they're employees. (what're they paid for? ask tlp.)
mircea_popescu: ok this is the lulziest thing i read al lweek!
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mircea_popescu: so these total fuckwits imagine they asked a powerful person to... write on their own fucking forehead ?
mircea_popescu: motherfucker, i don't even wear those idiotic card things.
decimation: asciilifeform: re: what they are paid for << not to riot, is my perception
mircea_popescu: last time i was in an access controlled building they had to provide an intern to run behind me holding my fucking card.
BingoBoingo: ;;google truth about SSI
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BingoBoingo: Google fail
asciilifeform: the guy who wrote templeos is living on that racket << terry davis. and schizophrenia is still one of the more reliable ways a white man can get usg payola. though it's still an 'achievement', on part with getting a $1M research grant on your lonesome
decimation: I'm sure you would need several signed and stamped notes from the 'mental health' chumpatron
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> the guy who wrote templeos is living on that racket << terry davis. and schizophrenia is still one of the more reliable ways a white man can get usg payola. though it's still an 'achievement', on part with getting a $1M research grant on your lonesome << Who knows, if it wasn't for glorious tobacco maybe I'd be on that golden ticket
asciilifeform: the history of never having worked is a plus (though davis worked just once, iirc)
thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: "glorious tobacco" << how so? care to elaborate?
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Nicotine is neuro protective against certain kinds of wetware failure modes
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mats: do asians qualify for this free money im hearing about?
BingoBoingo: decimation: Old news
asciilifeform: mats: quite certainly not
mats: or do i have to be hispanic or black
mats: bummer
decimation: mats: unfortunately being asian puts you at the bottom of every welfare list
BingoBoingo: mats: Watch telenovas, pick up the accent, and you can prolly pass as a more obscure flavor of hispanic
mats: u rite
decimation: it's well known that asians must perform several points above average to be admitted to 'elite' schools
thestringpuller: decimation: so in theory welfare is racist to asian people.
mats: i can develop a wicked tan
decimation: in theory 'welfare' is colorblind, but in practice it is meant for particular minorities
mats: yeah that's bullshit
BingoBoingo: mats: Wicked tan, roll your r's, and become one with the lawn mower
decimation: look at the list of 'danger words' on that 'fair housing law' that real estate agents must follow
decimation: asking your real estate agent if there are "section 8" renters is considered to be 'racist'
mats: i got a 2k+ SAT score, took 10 odd APs and honors classes
thestringpuller: mats was born after 1988
mats: didn't get into any of my reach schools e.g. columbia
thestringpuller: AMIRITE?
mats: duh
BingoBoingo didn't bother with reach schools, went to desperate schools that needed outliers
decimation: " On an "other things equal basis," where adjustments are made for a variety of background factors, being Hispanic conferred an admissions boost over being white (for those who applied in 1997) equivalent to 130 SAT points (out of 1600), while being black rather than white conferred a 310 SAT point advantage.
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decimation: Asians, however, suffered an admissions penalty compared to whites equivalent to 140 SAT points. "
mats: jesus christ 300 points
decimation: interestingly, that article was 'disappeared'
BingoBoingo: Well, the black test score bump can be explained entirely by the need to fill a competitive handegg team
mats: i poured >500 hours into sat prep only to get trounced by suffering minorities
mats: woe is me
thestringpuller: mats: hey, we suffering minorities have it tough.
BingoBoingo: mats: You know you could have cheated and taken the GRE instead
thestringpuller: mats: actually asians were a majority at the school I went to.
decimation: thestringpuller: that's why they are 'discriminated' against
mats: me too. good competition, lots of white flight.
thestringpuller: mats: get that white girl poonani
mats: i get off on it too buttie
mats: the subconscious domination of a white woman that is
thestringpuller: i blame girls gone wild for that
thestringpuller: and dave attell's insomniac
mats: BingoBoingo: i thought that's for grad school?
BingoBoingo: mats: it is. Admissions counselors don't know it is an easier test though
mats: im not following, why would the score be accepted
BingoBoingo: mats: Because idiots run the offices.
decimation: my experience is that grad school, if worthwhile, is usually paid for by employers or usg
BingoBoingo: decimation: We are jsut talking the admissions test now
decimation: yeah, but there are plenty of schools in the 'degree mill' business - designed to collect these dollars
thestringpuller: "degree mill" sounds a lot like "puppy mill" :(
thestringpuller: luring unsuspecting single moms or something
BingoBoingo: The thing is if you have a brain and can't get a perfect score on the GRE math portion with a BAC under 0.5 I dunno why you'd try college
mats: on the subject, ive been spending my free time with grad students (harvard, fletcher kids) going through IR programs that are feeders to state dept
decimation: mats: see the world, usg pays
mats: ive been playing 'id the spy' for a few weeks and its good fun
BingoBoingo: In the middle west it as more ID the FBI plant
mats: alternatively, 'id the future asset' is also great
decimation: being a usg shill in a foreign country would be depressing as hell
decimation: although they make good money
mats: with hazard pay maybe
BingoBoingo: Because no one at SIUC philosophy or Mizzou's ISLT program was making the CIA
BingoBoingo: <decimation> being a usg shill in a foreign country would be depressing as hell <, For sure, no point traveling if you can't try 50 shades of poon
decimation: mats: I think they get free housing overseas
mats: you couldn't pay me enough to work in a us embassy
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mats: benghazi parts two through twenty will soon be upon us
decimation: mats: but obama totally has your back
BingoBoingo: I'm just glad I didn't do law school
BingoBoingo: Talk about selling your soul
danielpbarron: speaking of oom, pogo just crashed on height=221870
decimation: BingoBoingo: my understanding is that most lawyers don't make much money at all
BingoBoingo: decimation: They don't at all, and on top of it they have obligations.
mats: depends. patent law and contract litigation is lucrative
mats: for the half of lawyers that happen to be employed, that is
BingoBoingo: Still way too many ways for USG to hang an honest barrister
decimation: mats: yeah but only a small number of lawyers 'matriculate' into those professions
ben_vulpes: they're not terribly hard to get into.
ben_vulpes: demand side is huge from ford, intel et al
ben_vulpes: plus all of the 'support'
ben_vulpes: i saw a company offering to "create research equity" for other companies.
ben_vulpes: apparently they expect one to buy a bit of research and put it on the books.
ben_vulpes: this has made me wonder how much "book value" of these big shops is similarly inflated.
ben_vulpes: oh, and let us not forget the "research and development" tax credits.
asciilifeform: housing and discrimination etc << the bans on 'asking wrong question' were enthusiastically pushed by the real estate racket, who were all too happy to have price become the one and only legal selector
decimation: ben_vulpes: apparently the company R&D budget is now to be used for 'merit washing'
ben_vulpes: decimation: oh yes? this i'm not quite familiar with.
decimation: ben_vulpes: I was reacting to your statement about third parties looking to 'create value'
decimation: presumably, the director of the board knows exactly in which 'third party R&D' to 'invest'
ben_vulpes had papers and dollars allocated from the semi testing company for "research and development" that largely consisted of stapling together existing systems and handing the whole package off (with specs and partlists) to the production line engineers
ben_vulpes: i learned much from the sage japanese ee in that shop.
ben_vulpes: also the sage american me.
decimation: ben_vulpes: usg will 'pay' for R&D, so "R&D" is what you get :)
ben_vulpes: actually now that i think of it the bulk of my career has been blessed by sages of various stripes who didn't particularly mind my derping around, or at least found me entertaining enough to tolerate.
ben_vulpes: decimation: probably some of my earliest introductions to the bezzle.
ben_vulpes: actually a funny story related
ben_vulpes: legal caught wind of what i was doing
ben_vulpes: because i asked them to put an nda together for a vendor i wanted to communicate some things to
ben_vulpes: hounded me *incessantly* for patent paper work after that point.
ben_vulpes: "but i don't really know that--" "fill out these papers, kid. we'll send you a check and something for your home office wall."
ben_vulpes: 'twas an "innovative" ground plane.
assbot: Spy Cables expose 'desperate' US approach to Hamas - Al Jazeera English ... ( )
ben_vulpes: granted, hardware in the wild that did the same thing cost ~1000x what i built, didn't work nearly as well.
asciilifeform: mats: in log
ben_vulpes: but a patent for that thing?
mats: guess i needa catch up huh
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes probably knows 1) how patents are used in modern usa 2) how patentmeisters in megacorps are incentivized to work quota
decimation: ben_vulpes: my understaning is that patents are pretty worthless
decimation: they are only useful to megacorps when warring
asciilifeform: individual patent is about as useful to the megacorp as a particular cone full of radar chaff in a particular ballistic rocket in a particular underground shaft
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: lol i do now.
BingoBoingo: !up shesek
decimation: asciilifeform: there are some rare patents that end up being particularly 'valuable'
ben_vulpes: life is educational if you keep your eyes open, what can i say.
decimation: but it's almost always a 'post hoc' situation
asciilifeform: decimation: just like the cone that takes out wash.d.c will prove to be great soviet roi
asciilifeform: i know several folks who work or have worked at uspto. they will swear that the only -individuals- still seeking patents are certifiable lunatics
decimation: yeah. a patent is perfectly useless unless you have > $10 mil lawyer budget
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> i know several folks who work or have worked at uspto. they will swear that the only -individuals- still seeking patents are certifiable lunatics << I recently considered taking community college classes just to cross the patent examiner threshold
assbot: Patent WO2012090213A2 - Resurrection machine - Google Patents ... ( )
decimation: BingoBoingo: it's not a terrible racket, although probably depressing
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: terrible salt mine
asciilifeform at one point almost ended up there
decimation: my understanding is that roughly %100 of patent examiners hope to graduate to become rich patent lawyers
asciilifeform: ^ famous
BingoBoingo: Well, patent agent may have been the right label. Slow news day so slipping into the drink.
asciilifeform: ^ beautiful illustrations
BingoBoingo: Still sad sad racket
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I like the exact right use of a radiator there
BingoBoingo: lol sheet 26
BingoBoingo: Why am I still alive??? Sheet 26 of 63 is the single lulziest thing I have ever
decimation: why did some 'tard burn ~$10k for this thing?
BingoBoingo: decimation: The drawing on sheet 26 justifies everything
asciilifeform: decimation: schizo?
asciilifeform: why else
decimation: asciilifeform: maybe he spent his social security disability money on it
decimation: completing the cycle
BingoBoingo: Worth it
asciilifeform: 'To properly evaluate the preposterousness of claimant's position, the
asciilifeform: situation is exactly like a situation where a restaurant listing 200 items
asciilifeform: on its menu would attempt to have content removed from a personal blog where
asciilifeform: a patron listed two items from that menu, that he ate, and that gave him
asciilifeform: enterocolitis, on the grounds that the restaurant has some sort of copyright
asciilifeform: interest in the sublist of two items published by the unfortunate patron.
asciilifeform: While it is directly clear why a restaurant in that position would move to
asciilifeform: suppress the publication, it is nevertheless a fraudulent claim aimed at
asciilifeform: infringing the rights of others.'
asciilifeform: ^ mega-l0l!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu ^ where this was even for ? isp ?
asciilifeform: (re: last paragraph)
ben_vulpes: db entries pulled via curl
asciilifeform: i recall the original trololol
asciilifeform: but where was the above document for ?
asciilifeform: also does dmca really have the provision for 'complainant must sue before date x'? (ianal!)
asciilifeform: interestingly, even though ianal, i do so enjoy a good hardcopy iso standard (that describes something useful, naturally)
asciilifeform: just got 'ada 95: the language, reference manual, and standard libraries' ansi/iso/iec-8652:1995 in the post
asciilifeform: and it's a work of art
asciilifeform: the pages are numbered like a bible's
asciilifeform: with paragraph indices
asciilifeform: for citing 'chapter & verse' at n00bs
thestringpuller: !up The20YearIRCloud
asciilifeform: and the thing has totality, even more so than common lisp - even character sets are included in the standard
asciilifeform: as in, you can actually program without thinking about any building block that isn't in the book...
asciilifeform: the down side is that you get to essentially write in pascal
asciilifeform: (the similarity is more than skin deep)
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: So in the newest Batman, the valet is the coldest killer
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