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mats: i wonder what price per coin was agreed to when he gave em up
BingoBoingo: mats: Probably "market" rate
punkman: 503 on qntra here
BingoBoingo: No fucks nao, works
BingoBoingo: Fuck Chicago PD is the closest thing to actual LEX operation on 'Murican TV
BingoBoingo: The one flaw is the tactics they attribute to Big city specialized intelligence unit were normalized in small town PD long ago
asciilifeform: decimation: did you use libusb-0.1 or -1.0 to develop cardano? or are you just using the kernel mass storage driver? << it mounts as a standard mass storage dev.
decimation: ah. I'm trying to write driver using userland library, and am loathing usb
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo has been considering using one of those "Edgerouter Lites" as a desktop system << you don't want to do this, believe. i have freebsd running, but turns out that mips 'strip' is defective (can't be arsed to hunt for the endianism bug in it, could take a month) and half the ports tree won't build.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: it also is not an especially fast box.
decimation: asciilifeform: 'strip' as in stripping debug symbols?
BingoBoingo: Fuck, asciilifeform not for the lack of fast, but for the defective. I've had octeon suspicions like I have longsoon suspicions, but cock sucking mother fucker.
decimation: plus, what would you use for display? crt serial terminal?
BingoBoingo: decimation: I would use crt serial plugged into RJ port. I assume at the moment stripped means instructions as part of 64 are fucked because "octeon" and no one cares for poor MPIS.
BingoBoingo: Fuck I don't even care enough for MIPS to spell it right.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: gentoo is reputed to run more or less correctly on it. have not tried personally.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 'strip' as in the util by same name on your unix box.
asciilifeform: decimation: libusb is not the loathesome part, but usb per se.
decimation: asciilifeform: indeed. little can be done to abstract the overengineered crazytown
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Ah. On non tard-86 I assume perserve userspace to allow pulseaudio cancer would poison any linux too much.
decimation: supposedly the linux that comes with the box gets good reviews
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the 'octeon' doesn't have an audio card.
asciilifeform: decimation: all i can say is that it booted. once.
asciilifeform: (i didn't care for the closed-source kernel mod)
decimation: heh. does it have any usable bus interface?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Pulse audio's salvation from fixing a kernel bug was a more general io concern if I remember right
asciilifeform: there's a usb socket on the board. comes filled with a 4g stick, no-brand aluminum pill.
decimation: so one could use a hub to add usb devices.
BingoBoingo: decimation: It has rj-45 jack, can emulate rs-232 over that for terminal I would hope or not a computer.
asciilifeform: also some gpio pins that are, afaik, not brought out; and two uarts, one of which is soldered to the 'console' jack
asciilifeform: 115200 baud.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: iirc there is an experimental openbsd port as well.
BingoBoingo: Why always 1 step forward and half a mile and a liter of hobo piss back.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: oh and freebsd on octeon doesn't support loadable kmods.
asciilifeform: hope you didn't need any.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Yes, but requires NFS boot
BingoBoingo: For OBSD
asciilifeform: it makes a perfectly fine router.
asciilifeform: (freebsd)
BingoBoingo: Prolly.
asciilifeform: i'm connected through it even now.
decimation: I would consider purchasing it to replace the pc I'm using for that purpose
BingoBoingo: Just... routers are cheap.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: routers with metal chassis, passive cooling, and removable mass storage generally are not cheap.
BingoBoingo though would prefer computer
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: For particular definitions of cheap
decimation: asciilifeform: cisco et.al. have been making $$$ selling versions of this kind of thing with crapware
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: not readily available, rather. (the only real alternative i can think of, built from extant hardware, is 'pc engines' - if you can abide x86)
BingoBoingo: Edgerouter seemed a bargain, still seems best at what it is... just... disapoint that not as I hoped it could be abused into without the now apparent resistance
asciilifeform: cisco is not permitted in my home even unpowered.
decimation: asciilifeform: right, but I think they might use mips on some of their stuff
asciilifeform: the only one i've ever opened actually had a... 486.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> cisco is not permitted in my home even unpowered. << Technetium even if it is a perfect catalyst not invited to the lab.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: on account of my having far too much garbage as is
BingoBoingo: The lab is a construct of mine I posit as roughly equivalent to Luke-Jr's hindbrain. Probably flawed, but I hop at least not flawed in that way.
TomServo: have you guys checked out http://soekris.com/ stuff? I've been eyeing it up for my next router..runs obsd.
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TomServo: (not so budget)
decimation: TomServo: I was looking at their specs a few weeks ago
asciilifeform: TomServo: do they still ship ancient 'pentium' ?
decimation: apparently it's popular to mod the clock on thier boards with something better, to use for ntp server
asciilifeform: i was gonna mention it but was afraid folks would laugh.
TomServo: I've not yet ordered anything
BingoBoingo wants a ruthenium standard on wrist can not fault other's time foibles.
decimation wonders why 'adult' computer servers lack external clock input
asciilifeform: 'pc engines' (swiss) ships similar boards with modern amd (64-bit) cpu, rather than intel turds, for half the price.
asciilifeform: with published schematics, even.
asciilifeform: and linuxbios.
BingoBoingo just wants a MIPS64 workstation that doesn't exist since 68k descendants are stuck in robo-arms
BingoBoingo: s/exist/stink
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: didntcha have a 'loongson' ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I've been searching for one that doesn't cost anal virginity or another FBI door knock
asciilifeform: afaik not banned yet.
asciilifeform: why does it have to be mips64 anyway.
BingoBoingo: And yet I still have Treasury agent Broachwala's business card in case I want to confess tax crimes and not the mick/potato-nigger FBI agent's card.
decimation: honestly it's probably better just to buy an fpga board and roll your ow
BingoBoingo: Well MIPS64 or 64 bit 68k descendant of which I know none.
BingoBoingo: Because RAM
BingoBoingo: Disk only exists because electric grids suck
decimation: http://www.alvie.com/zpuino/ << free fpga 'soft' cpu
BingoBoingo: The age of many of these recent solaris patches shake my faith in SPAR64
BingoBoingo: *SPARC64
BingoBoingo: Which I like as an uncomfortable parachute.
BingoBoingo: Of the assemblies I am most familiar with 68k, but... If we are stuck with C machines until loper gets a CPU... If I have to do C machines the MIPS bare minimum of a C machine has a lot of appeal.
BingoBoingo: And MIPS routers suggests there are people making small process MIPS chips which ought to mean less RF emissions for that asshole with the white F-150 to pick up.
BingoBoingo: I dunno that the white F-150 is surveilling me, but...
BingoBoingo doesn't expect arrest, but "be prepared"
BingoBoingo: Everything is grave
mats: leave your private keys with me and i promise ill bail you out
mats: ;)
BingoBoingo: mats: Oh, if you understand anatomy well enough you can put private keys anywhere.
BingoBoingo: mats: Anyways since you declared allegiance to New Reno USG I have to assume polio USG is spending more then $100k per year chasing less than a prius in Buttstamp valued BTC.
BingoBoingo: No insult intended to you mats, all insults intended towards Obola
asciilifeform: Because RAM << 'edgerouter' came with 512M soldered down.
BingoBoingo: Sounds like enough for almost everything but respectable BTC node
asciilifeform: basic example.
asciilifeform: (yes these are often given as homework.)
BingoBoingo: Problem is not lack of basic examples it is that a decade or two long wait for dataflow cadr CPU... seems ok...
asciilifeform: cadr cpu << go, download brad parker's.
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BingoBoingo: Fuck, Imma have to learn shit.
BingoBoingo: Oh, this is a "red pill" machine
BingoBoingo: I took the red pill... two, in fact :-) << Quote from page
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BingoBoingo: Maybe the brain ETOH pickling is making my smash ideas that shouldn't be together, but... on a slow happenings day like today my brain needed chemical protection from the adverse effects of Reddit.
BingoBoingo also offer that yes the forgetfulness effect of drunk is exactly how one should avoid catching brain damage spread by Redditards.
fluffypony: oh noez, blockchain.info was down, now bitcointalk is down, err'one panic
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: It could be worse
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: I got produce this week and today ate another whole broccoli. At it because steaming fit the timeline of busy at X, be still wanted ready food at Y.
fluffypony: that truly is a fate worse than death
BingoBoingo: punkman: What's wrong with the plain kind get a 2-3 lb head and eat the whole thing.
punkman: BingoBoingo: yeah I do cauliflower,broccoli,onion,pepper,carrot salad often, it's great
punkman: no steaming though
BingoBoingo: Maybe I just do groceies odd, but broccoli comes in one giant piece so I figure most practical to eat as such
punkman: we don't have giant mutant broccoli here
punkman: I usually wash it, cut it down to smaller pieces, immerse in water+vinegar+salt and leave it in the fridge
BingoBoingo: What kind of midget broccoli do you get there?
fluffypony: reddit circlejerks over the weirdest stuff
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fluffypony: OMG WORTHY OF *TWO* EXCLAMATION MARKS!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1341 @ 0.00084997 = 1.1398 BTC [+] {3}
BingoBoingo: punkman: My drunk ass is going to sleep, and hopefully in my sleep I will fart enough to prevent explosion.
punkman: BingoBoingo, good luck ;)
BingoBoingo: punkman: I might seriously gas myself, but I am fine.
assbot: So /CoinFireBlog are writing and encouraging spurious BS about GAW. Sue them /gawceo just destroy these halfwit clowns.
assbot: So /CoinFireBlog are writing and encouraging spurious BS about GAW. Sue them /gawceo just destroy these halfwit clowns.
BingoBoingo: Also why the fuck is the total weight of Homero's conference bodyguards less than that I usually have on any given Friday?
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BingoBoingo would rather see USian Mosin and SKS, but...
BingoBoingo admits he is drunk and full of hatorade right now, but can not understand why GAW is focusing its hate and traffic on 2coinfire.cf which merely threatens them instead of qntra.net which ended them.
BingoBoingo: !up AndrewJackson
AndrewJackson: thanks ;)
AndrewJackson: is bitcointalk down?
AndrewJackson: I guess it is ;/
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Naphex: davout: grats on the intergration.
Naphex: davout: do they just hook to the payments api?
davout: that's the plan yes
Naphex: davout: on the new terminals or old ones as well?
davout: these terminals are not publicly available yet
davout: new ones only
davout: those with a sufficiently large screen
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4335 @ 0.00049947 = 2.1652 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.10000301 = 1.2 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1800 @ 0.00085 = 1.53 BTC [+]
assbot: BBC News - ECB expected to inject up to €1 trillion into eurozone ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ev4OjV )
davout: http://burgerexpress.com/ <<< crank your volume up
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davout: https://twitter.com/didlix/status/558211639582134273 <<< so apparently i'm a mean bullying troll :D
assbot: It’s really smart as a business owner to go around publicly harassing people /davoutplantaire http://t.co/3MvaixKHb5
davout: lol, bitch blocked me
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6450 @ 0.00049015 = 3.1615 BTC [-]
nubbins`: what, bitcointalk is down?
nubbins`: things were getting good, woodcollector started calling people fags
nubbins`: the scam thread made it up to like 23 pages
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thestringpuller: davout: makes me want to fulfill my dream of living in france
davout: thestringpuller: wai?
thestringpuller: took french classes half my life. and look a real life cool french person rite here on IRC!
thestringpuller: who make france moar appealing
davout: thestringpuller: you're australian amirite?
davout: or am i heavily confused?
thestringpuller: cazalla is aussie
thestringpuller: I'm US-ian
thestringpuller: From the fucking south, the dumbest of the dumb.
thestringpuller: davout: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2t6oks/gavineries_irc_discussion_of_the_block_size/cnwg265 << this caveden guy is like that kid in class who just can't seem to understand the teacher so makes his own rules.
davout: he's an oldtimer
davout: his argumentation basically boils down to "prove me we shouldn't change what works"
davout: this pronoun-changing bzns keeps the butthurt flowing
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kakobrekla: >Which expert's opinion do you want to see ?
kakobrekla: >Andreas Antonoplous, or Kristov Atlas would seal the deal for me; I'd say Peter Todd or Greg Maxwell would be best, but those dudes are super busy these days.
kakobrekla: i think i just blown my retard-o-meter
kakobrekla: dammit.
jurov: don't copy that stuff here then. can cause murderous rage for mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes and others
jurov: oh these two aren't around. okay then :>
davout: jurov: lol
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davout: jurov: lmao, i naively clocked
davout: *clicked
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15700 @ 0.00049823 = 7.8222 BTC [+] {2}
jurov: kakobrekla you see, nobody trusts assbot title extractor anymore
mod6: that hardware thingy looks like I should take a slapshot with it.
assbot: Bitcoin Forum Bitcointalk is Down due to Disk Failure - Data Lost - CryptoCoinsNews ... ( http://bit.ly/1CiLy9M )
mod6: maybe they'll have lost your ban. win!
kakobrekla: doubt they will lose all 4 of them
mod6: haha
davout: o noes, that mountain of butthurt took years to build
assbot: Data since Jan 21 21:44 UTC will not be automatically recovered, though if anything important was lost, I might be able to find it manually.
danielpbarron: what timing!
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thestringpuller: "This is reason we need new forum!"
thestringpuller: I wonder if in 20 years when IRC is still chugging along on freenode what will be of thermos' forum...
danielpbarron seriously doubts it will be on freenode in 20 years, or if there will even be a freenode
thestringpuller: freenode is already 20 years old
BingoBoingo: Prolly going to fork into "systemd-node" and "System D Nodes"
thestringpuller: danielpbarron: i think freenode will always have irc clients connected to it in the far future
danielpbarron: hey i'm still connected to efnet!
kakobrekla: ;;isup qntra.net
gribble: qntra.net is up
thestringpuller: danielpbarron: doesn't that say something on its own regarding the durability of irc networks?
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: EFnet used to be all of IRC except people who tolerated a particular server
danielpbarron: if a tree falls in the woods, and nobody important was there to write about it, did it make a sound?
BingoBoingo: !up lobbes
BingoBoingo: !up pete_dushenski
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21900 @ 0.00049947 = 10.9384 BTC [+]
lobbes: ty BingoBoingo
lobbes: BingoBoingo: so, even if I'm running 0.8.1, I should be good if I just stay put?
lobbes: I'm glad I discovered this place, man. Otherwise I would have been led off the cliff a long time ago
lobbes: The more I read, the more I realize I don't know anything. Nor do the bitcoin devs for that matter
davout: lobbes: that's actually a pretty good sign
lobbes: davout: That I've realized my ignorance? lel, yeah I guess that's the first step, right?
davout: that doesn't usually happen only once, but yes it's a good thing in the sense that it's an incentive to think more
kakobrekla: welcome to the world of grim.
lobbes: I gotta say, this 'thinking' thing has helped me in my professional life as well
lobbes: the whole 'don't just assume' thing
thestringpuller: davout: thinking is hard tho.
davout: brains burn lots of energy
thestringpuller: focus is probably the hardest part of thinking, only achieved through kung fu
thestringpuller: concentration training in a world flooded with information
davout: ability to focus is acquired by focusing, being through kung-fu, meditation...
davout: s/being/be it/
thestringpuller: i say kung-fu in traditional: "special skill acquired through much practice"
thestringpuller: i.e. kung-fu = practice/repetition in my context my apologies lol
thestringpuller: focus being acquired through all of the above, which are practicing/training
davout: ah, i didn't get that :)
davout: i ASSUMED doh
thestringpuller: !up lobbes
thestringpuller: lobbes: I like the saying, "Scammer until proven trustworthy."
jurov: dunno if kung fu helped me focus
jurov: it's more about acquiring useful muscle memory bits
lobbes: I remember reading something a bit ago that hit home; a lot of people make the mistake of 'reasoning from their own mind' without really checking external sources of information. Which is deadly if you are ignorant such as myself
jurov: but on other side, we were supposed to learn choreography and i was too lazy to force myself to remember it whole properly
jurov: if i did it would prolly help
thestringpuller: jurov: the interesting facet of that kind of memory "working memory", is it requires some effort of concentration to operate
kakobrekla: lobbes its not just you. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-03-2014#548257 relevant thread
assbot: Logged on 05-03-2014 23:07:34; kakobrekla: i guess misconception add up over the years
BingoBoingo: lobbes: Well Maybe there's a hazard. It isn't ideal, but I don't know of a great version of bitcoin yet.
BingoBoingo: !up nubbins`
thestringpuller: like if you do a repetitive task that require repetition, it may also require focus
thestringpuller: in order to prevent mistakes
thestringpuller: lobbes: re: ignorance << The first step is admitting to knowing nothing.
thestringpuller: Most never reach this step ever.
lobbes: thestringpuller davout: yes, and I would agree that I have reached this 'realization' more than once
jurov: thestringpuller it's big difference between doing a simple movememnt properly and doing whole choreography
jurov: imo only the latter helps to focus appreciably
thestringpuller: jurov: yes. when it all becomes fluid like water I guess the conscious mind is not really present?
kakobrekla: was that hi handmade?
nubbins`: yes, letter by letter
kakobrekla: k then
nubbins`: how do you run a website and not know how many drives failed?
nubbins`: "some"
kakobrekla: well the machine says "no hdd found" and he is sure there were present before.
kakobrekla: they were*
BingoBoingo: Maybe his buddy Garr sold him scam CognitiveHDD
jurov: thestringpuller the conscious mind needs to be there to say what's next. many people struggled with it
Naphex: o/
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BingoBoingo: !up lobbes
kakobrekla: !gettrust assbot lobbes
assbot: Trust relationship from user assbot to user lobbes: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/assbot/lobbes | http://w.b-a.link/user/lobbes
kakobrekla: !rate lobbes 1 easy cum easy go
assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/7c500e691ce44fc4
kakobrekla: !v assbot:kakobrekla.rate.lobbes.1:4fd3561d6f226714f09b646ea053aef5102071a772336bf8a34ab8b2efface77
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for lobbes with note: easy cum easy go
kakobrekla: now you can selfvoiceyourself
mircea_popescu: !rated sturles
assbot: You rated user sturles on 29-Oct-2011, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: coupla deals over pp.
mircea_popescu: !rate sturles 4 I was hesitant to replace a 2011 rating before, however : Sturles is and has since the beginning been a pillar of the community.
assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/091445207712a1a7
mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.sturles.4:3f9276f8f535402206a2b3271e74982696f84b71b759729a2837bbf58b0b7b15
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for sturles from 2 to 4 with note: I was hesitant to replace a 2011 rating before, however : Sturles is and has since the beginning been a pillar of the community.
kakobrekla: actually, here is the thing. if you just !rate over existing rating, the old date should stay. if you !unrate and !rate, it will put up a new one.
kakobrekla: idk if gribble works that way but iirc i made that call here
kakobrekla: !gettrust mircea_popescu sturles
assbot: Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user sturles: Level 1: 4, Level 2: 39 via 22 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/mircea_popescu/sturles | http://w.b-a.link/user/sturles
Apocalyptic: gribble just overwrites the rating date everytime
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla you mean the date ? yes i know.
mircea_popescu: but wasn't the case pre january.
kakobrekla: [note] => I was hesitant to replace a 2011 rating before, however : Sturles is and has since the beginning been a pillar of the community.
kakobrekla: [since] => 29-Oct-2011
kakobrekla: date remains.
kakobrekla: just thought date is worth something and shouldnt be destroyed
mircea_popescu: yup. good call.
mircea_popescu: the fact that !unrate !rate cycle wipes it, but simple !rate update doesn't is actually the best of both worlds.
mircea_popescu: decimation: punkman: that's 2-3 billion signups <<< and yet, in spite of that claim (probably unsubstantiated, as all of these, but certainly more defensible in VC terms than anyone else's), g+ isn't worht anything.
mircea_popescu: if there's a better example as to why the "grow big fast" so-called strategy doiesn't work, here it is. google's own g+ is not worth naything in spite of 3bn users.
mircea_popescu: that watsapp no users claimed as however many seemed to be worth something when fb paid for them is no support of the theory. that g+ isn't worth anything IS counterproof.
mircea_popescu: because that's how proof works : that you didn't break into any houses all through the day of the 29th doesn't help you in court. that you did on the 25th, sinks you.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: well santa clause is allowed to BNE on the 25th me thoughts
thestringpuller: maybe the entire point of G+ is to prove Facebook isn't worth anything?
mircea_popescu: nah, he only enters.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller yes, actually, in a backwards sort of way it's exactly that. google can't afford to have zuck pretend like oh, "we're better than google". so if he tries they can go "heh, we're fb plus other things".
mircea_popescu: strategy.
thestringpuller: if that strategy succeeds, the bubble that is facebook maybe unprecedented upon collapse.
mircea_popescu: all bubbles are really the same size.
mircea_popescu: their nominal monetary value is not important.
thestringpuller: this is good point, the idiots will be left holding the bag.
thestringpuller: as is always the case
thestringpuller: look at cnet d00d
mircea_popescu: moreover, there's a maximal value of a bubble, when it pops. this is driven by the headcount and so forth, nothing else.
mircea_popescu: albania's bubble was like, 9x% of maximum. russia's a few years earlier, more like 60%ish. romania's a good 80%
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mircea_popescu: and on and on.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: in a sense bubles have asymptotes?
mircea_popescu: not "in a sense". in all senses.
thestringpuller: just making sure I understand the concept.
mircea_popescu: bubbles are built not out of money but out of dreams, hopes and assorted verbiage. which is why money is such an approximative approach to attack them.
mircea_popescu: queue newton's despair.
mircea_popescu: in principle, some pacific islanders with their six acres of unarable land and fifty coconuts can make a bubble just as well as new york can.
mircea_popescu: and when it pops, it will be JUST AS destructive to economy & society, according to how close to the absolute maximum it got.
thestringpuller: yea. not many people are going to "front" the pacific islanders dreams with drugs, sex and rock & roll in the same way US-ians do with Sillycon Valley
mircea_popescu: so you think.
mircea_popescu: but in fact, sex, drugs and rock and roll are a permanence in human history.
thestringpuller: or at least I look at a bubble as someone fronting someone something
thestringpuller: be it ferarri's, hookers, blow, etc.
mircea_popescu: yeah. but the something in question chiefly is "social and economic preeminence"
mircea_popescu: it's not anything concrete.
thestringpuller: it can be "something" concrete like say a house.
thestringpuller: bought with vc money that will never be repaid
mircea_popescu: only if the something concrete like say a house is also something abstract like the meaning of a house.
thestringpuller: given to a business that burns it all in the form of salaries
mircea_popescu: bubbles are built out of signifiers not out of significates.
thestringpuller: Could you elaborate a bit?
mircea_popescu: these are terms of art, you go read up on language theoree :)
thestringpuller: i iz bad @ wordz
thestringpuller: thiz is why I liten to hip hop
thestringpuller: i understand "Get money", but "build wealth" not so much.
assbot: Saussure ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cj4O77 )
thestringpuller: oooh. it's in french.
mircea_popescu: ironically, in spite of pierce's much more factually sensible theory, somehow saussure's seems more useful in practice.
mircea_popescu: !up sharp0
mircea_popescu: http://antilop.cc/sr/img/mrmike_tips_tricks.png << this is a pretty decent indication of what "drivinbg adoption" means.
mircea_popescu: having people who aren't really intellectually capable to handle email involved in bitcoin ? why ? "because they're people too" ? no, they're not people too. they're cattle too.
mircea_popescu: and this only speaks to whitey, people who have somehow fallen through the cracks of a lentghy history of literacy.
mircea_popescu: driving adoption in africa and central asia, god help you.
assbot: Central banks have no more control over their economies than gnats have over elephants. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cj6Q72 )
mircea_popescu: well... if not yet then soon enough.
mircea_popescu: !up chetty
chetty: so on this mornings glenn beck show he went on at some length about how people would be turning to bitcoin as a way to protect idenity from all the hacking, he has big audience ..and he didnt say anything that was actually stuipd, for a change
punkman: mircea_popescu: driving adoption in africa and central asia, god help you. < imagining asian version of tips from husband now, scary
mircea_popescu: does he have recordings online ?
mircea_popescu: punkman right ? it's just... dude we did so very much to fuck up africa already
mircea_popescu: now this, too ?
mircea_popescu: can't they just get a break ?
BingoBoingo: chetty: Lizard Hitler doesn't need him to say anything stupid on Bitcoin. Other people will tell his audience stupid things and reasonable things abot Bitcoin might seem sstupid to other uninitiated people via naive association with him.
chetty: yes the blaze radio posts podcasts of all their shows
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo wasn't this the guy that did a lot of gold and guns advertising, and pretty much sounds like a b-a alumni ?
chetty: yeah if he could get off the god wagon he would make a lot of sense actually
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: To an extent. His relationship with particular gold vendors though apes Keiser's relationship with Aurora coin though. The "pay premium for particular coins" sort of scam
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo yeah it smelled funny that bit but i never really looked into it.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: "collectible" gold coins instead of... "Fuck you this is gold" scam.
mircea_popescu: chetty ironically ppl like danielpbarron are doing fine. i dunno that one's religious belief is an impediment. course this may really be a religion vs theology thing.
chetty: well in fairness collectible gold is what FDR didnt get
mircea_popescu: chetty yeah but in fdr's time the situation was, weak govenrment and strong population. today it's exactly the opposite.
mircea_popescu: kinda like trying to guess what parts will stay dry after a flood. hard job.
chetty: indeed, but the floods a comin for sure
davout: https://twitter.com/OtaK_/status/558321238230462464 <<< this replace-pronouns twitter butthurt flow seems to be attracting a whole new level of stupid
assbot: It’s really smart as a business owner to go around publicly harassing people /davoutplantaire http://t.co/3MvaixKHb5
mircea_popescu: davout you know, here's the thing with twitter : back when i had an account, i kept thinking all sorts of in retrospect bizarre nonsensical, fatlogic-y rationalisations for why i'm spending time there.
mircea_popescu: once they decided i killed poor anton (god rest his stupid, scammy soul), i discovered... whoa.
mircea_popescu: this is really stupid central and wtf am i doing there!
davout: yeah, i hear you
kakobrekla: looks like bitcointalk to me
mircea_popescu: habit is this insane thing.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla pretty much.
Pierre_Rochard: ^ I sense I’m on that path too
mircea_popescu: now, in honesty, there WAS a time, in 2010, when pretty much all the good tail in romania was there.
kakobrekla: well, davout is the mod there..
Pierre_Rochard: like any bad habit, you hit rock bottom at some point and rethink tings
mircea_popescu: and so it worked as a good heuristic.
pete_dushenski: maybe we should have "#b-a divorces twitter day"
mircea_popescu: but a) it doesn't work in english and b) it doesn't work this decade.
undata: I mostly follow people from here, not so bad
davout: kakobrekla: i got some other french dude mod, so i can just pop in there from time to time and nuke the occasional noobie
kakobrekla: so a no-show job basically
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: I'm prolly going to be stuck there because of this media startup and a need to follow RSS for dummies
davout: kakobrekla: yeah, i should b
davout: i should make a bot that moderates randomly so i get paid from the forum chest until they notice XD
kakobrekla: wait you get paid per action ?
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla see ? SEE what you missed out on ?
kakobrekla: meanwhile eurusd 1.137
kakobrekla: that 2015 parity bet (which i did not make) in bitbet queue is gonna get stale
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo if you want advice, the best advice is, use curl to pull up a shiotton of feeds, create a script that greps it by keywords with weight, create another that searches for rare words, and sort the whole thing in that order.
mircea_popescu: then just go through the list.
mircea_popescu: no "social media" needed.
undata: quick update before I dive into bezzeland biz, I bought deedbot.org for deed bundles, and the thing's two cron jobs and some code cleanup from being ready
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Sure, but that way there's less yelling at people.
mircea_popescu: undata cool!
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo fine, no divorce day then!
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: No, the rest of you can divorce if you want.
pete_dushenski: sniff, it wouldn't be the same...
mircea_popescu: you folks ever did teh divorce emo-scam ?
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mircea_popescu: wait. Cristina ?!
mircea_popescu: !gettrust jankoxp
assbot: jankoxp is not registered in WoT.
pete_dushenski: and here i was thinking that cristina ordered the thing
mircea_popescu: i was thinking the same think, an' even said some pretty hard words about teh woman
pete_dushenski: her's is a convenient reaction, perhaps
pete_dushenski: take the words out of everyone's mouth
mircea_popescu: or deprs who have a lot more to lose than her moving on their own accord.
pete_dushenski: i wouldn't think that the argentinian powers that be would move entirely independently from cristina
mircea_popescu: depends. she's old.
pete_dushenski: but she's in the top office
pete_dushenski: she didn't trip, fall, and land there quite by accident
pete_dushenski: she must have support from somewhere. she must.
mircea_popescu: yea, actually, she did.
mircea_popescu: her husband put her in so he can come back, then died.
mircea_popescu: the exact definition of "by accident"
davout: lol
pete_dushenski: but she's remained there for 8 years...
pete_dushenski: so she must still be pumping the right tires
pete_dushenski: or she'd have been out on her ass within the first year
mircea_popescu: you don't understand how oficialismo works.
mircea_popescu: as long as they didn't find her in bed with a live girl or a dead boy...
pete_dushenski: oficialismo is a south american thing or just argentina ?
mircea_popescu: complicated, but in this particular nuance argentina.
mircea_popescu: venezuela has it's own thing.
mircea_popescu: !up chetty
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mircea_popescu: fluffypony ^ ?
mircea_popescu: sorry, you're my expert on the ground in sa, which interests me.
mircea_popescu: you're stuck with random pings
fluffypony: reporting live from the heart ^z^z^z^z leafy coastal suburbs of South Africa!
ben_vulpes: http://bubblear.com/224-accusation-unrest-last-nights-nisman-protest/ << mircea_popescu, for contrast to your claims re nisman silence
assbot: Just a moment... ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bi7fVU )
ben_vulpes: (bubblear known derps, but nevertheless)
davout: fluffypony: afrikaans sounds so weird to a dutch speaker
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes well they're cloudfired so i can'tsee it. what's the claim in summary ?
davout: zo raar joh
fluffypony: davout: I can imagine - Dutch sounds bizarre to my ears
mircea_popescu: davout the mugs look so weird to a mug-ologist!
fluffypony: !up rdymac
davout: to a dutch person, an afrikaner sounds somewhat like a drunk belgian
fluffypony: hah hah
mircea_popescu: valoon ?
rdymac: Thx
davout: nee, een vlaams
fluffypony: to a South African, Dutch people sound pretentious...but after beer #3 nobody cares and we're all the best of friends
mircea_popescu: een vlaams lol
davout: lol
mircea_popescu: pleesee loongeer vowweels
mircea_popescu: because we live in hillcoutntry, and it's one to the hill and in the fog.
davout: you know what they say about men with big feet?
mircea_popescu: can't hear each ootheer
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mircea_popescu: no, but i know what they do to girls with big butts.
davout: :D
fluffypony: actually the one thing that irritates me about Afrikaans is the double-negative, as in "ek het dit nie gesien nie" (literally: I have it not seen not)
fluffypony: like isn't one negative enough?
rdymac: The case of Nisman is obviously a really bad way to shut that guy
mircea_popescu: no, it's not./
ben_vulpes: cloudfuxxed
chetty: yeah but it spreads fear and shuts up more people
davout: fluffypony: but it sounds like the second negative doesn't actually count, amirite?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: more or less that "there were peepul!"
mircea_popescu: chetty i somewhat doubt that was the plan.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i didn't see it. obviously i don't keep the entire city under surveillance.
fluffypony: davout: yeah, and if you forget it then suddenly the sentence no longer "makes sense"
ben_vulpes: http://www.bubblear.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/03plaza.jpg << the wide shot isn't even terrifically convincing.
assbot: Just a moment... ... ( http://bit.ly/1CjdYR1 )
rdymac: It was not a suicide. The truth will be known way after, when it doesn't affect anymore the president
mircea_popescu: but you'd expect i'd see it. or at any rate i do.
davout: fluffypony: LOL
mircea_popescu: davout the negative doesn't actually cunt, you're right. yes means anal.
davout: mircea_popescu: you're such a mean harassing and hateful individual, also privilege
mircea_popescu: no means yes. no but no means no.
mircea_popescu: understand rape culture.
fluffypony: I thought davout was the mean harassing person for all the gavinharassing in that IRC log?
davout: i have a lot to learn
mircea_popescu: gavinherring is not a woman.
fluffypony: the reddits were all "OMG GAVIN HAS THE PATIENCE OF A GOD. HE IS TRULY A SAINT."
mircea_popescu: tho he possibly crosdressed in the past
mircea_popescu: seeing how satoshi may well have been
davout: fluffypony: no today i was the leave-the-pronoun-switcher-alone bullying individual
fluffypony: oh yes
fluffypony: ont he twitterz
ben_vulpes: davout: leave britney alone
fluffypony: you know the redditards are going to get you murdered off twitter
mircea_popescu: no that's not murder.
mircea_popescu: only when he does it.
fluffypony: especially on a day like today when Bitcointalk is down
fluffypony: they have nothing better to do
mircea_popescu: davout who are you going to twitterkill btw ?
fluffypony: I vote for Roger Ver
mircea_popescu: dude can't he pick his own ?
mircea_popescu: davout : TRIGGER WARNING!!!
davout: then comes along this random neckbeard, pretend-cto, that would totally penetrate my security, if only he had some time
fluffypony: no! he must be decentralised and let us vote!
davout: i dunno, i already did aanontop once or twice
davout: now i'm blocked, gotta find another one
mircea_popescu: wait, tardstalk is STILL down ?
davout: mircea_popescu: not enough donations it appears
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i will bet you that this is in no way upgrade related. has that smell of panic resulting from legal process.
kakobrekla: how long has it been? not much?
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla qntra reported it yest.
davout: they said it was hdd failure
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Post is updated this morning to include their claim of hdd failure
jurov: you know, some hdds escaped... will take at least days till they catch all of them
mircea_popescu: and here i thought hotswappable arrays are common practice.
Naphex: jurov: well i'll telly ou, that if you don't have spare hdd's
davout: their HDDs were victim of their own success
Naphex: good luck finding compatible spares in less then 5 days
mircea_popescu: Naphex you know the marquardt idiot is sitting on like 5mn worth of donations / revenues ?
davout: or maybe it's their bank that's placing arbitrary access limits on their HDDs
Naphex: mircea_popescu: yeah, i've heard. which makes it way worsse
mircea_popescu: the plague of bitcoin : it empowered all sorts of people who, well... aren't really up to the task.
Naphex: not having spare hdd's available for your server, will make you rage so hard, while you call all the available suppliers
Naphex: ofcourse they won't have any available, especially for your raid
fluffypony: oh wow
fluffypony: I've just read the Twitter "thread"
mircea_popescu: Naphex the dcs that work with noobs generally (if well managed) do two things : only use a few specific types, and keep a supply on hand.
fluffypony: HE FORESAW THE VALUE COLLAPSE
fluffypony: he truly is the prophet of this generation
mircea_popescu: yeah, except "price collapse" != "value collapse".
Naphex: mircea_popescu: doubt anyone was monitoring those servers. HDD's give quite a few warnings before blowing up. Especially in raid setups
mircea_popescu: they may.
Naphex: red/yellow lights would be blinking
mircea_popescu: i have seen cases where they do not./
Naphex: prolly, but i'd rate that very rare events
adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-01-2015#988045 << the trick is to kick it before you hit rock bottom, otherwise you keep saying, "oh, i haven't found the bottom yet, better seek onwards"
assbot: Logged on 22-01-2015 18:01:40; Pierre_Rochard: like any bad habit, you hit rock bottom at some point and rethink tings
fluffypony: it still boggles my mind that with all the donation money he can't afford to pay a part-time sysadmin to get them setup properly
mircea_popescu: Naphex very rare indeed.
fluffypony: it would take maybe a day to move that backend over to a Galera cluster
Naphex: i've had full hardware hosted and running for 6+ years. dozens of hdd's switched and replaced. maybe 1 complete raid failure on HP Proliants
fluffypony: how does he not understand points-of-failure?
mircea_popescu: Naphex i recently passed the 1k physical hdds lifetime award. and seen it exactly once.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony because he is a 24 yo derp exactly like any 24 yo derp you could get by sending a naked 23 yo hottie parading down the street.
Naphex: sounds right
Naphex: mircea_popescu: was using HP Proliants for a while, had one that the whole 8x raid array just barked, as soon as i replaced 1 hdd, the other would fail
Naphex: had to replace the whole array
adlai: re bct downtime... "is your hdd running? BETTER GO CATCH IT!"
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: theymos is 24? Fuck I'm getting old.
adlai: hey that makes me feel young again! \o/
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller something like that, 23, 24
fluffypony: maybe he's related to usagi.
mircea_popescu: nah, usagi is mentally ill.
Naphex: maybe he used SSD's without the controller having TRIM support :))
Naphex: thats a new hipster way to blow up your stuff
mircea_popescu: "Scientists have found that the 'cowgirl' position is responsible for half of all penile fractures during sexual intercourse"
mircea_popescu: this needed discovering.
mircea_popescu: wtf was it covered in ?
fluffypony: vigorous research
mircea_popescu: https://safeorscam.com/karma << so is that pgp key block on the bottom of the page broken universally, or just MacGPG2 v2.0.17 decided to fork gnupg and not tell anyone ?
mircea_popescu: !up STRML
STRML: Thanks Mircea
STRML: Wanted to chime in, that key is working in gpgtools 1.5b2
STRML: there were some pretty serious bugs in some of the earlier 2.0.x versions, perhaps that is the issue
STRML: i'm on macgpg2 2.0.26
mircea_popescu: gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found. ius the very helpful error i get.
mircea_popescu: anyone with an actual (nix) gnupg care to check ?
fluffypony: gpg: key 29D9246A: public key "Operation Atlas <admin@safeorscam.com>" imported
fluffypony: gpg: Total number processed: 1
fluffypony: gpg: imported: 1 (RSA: 1)
fluffypony: works fine here
STRML: mircea_popescu: working in linux mint as well, although I get a message about an invalid armor header
STRML: gpg: invalid armor header:
STRML: gpg: key 29D9246A: public key "Operation Atlas <admin@safeorscam.com>" imported
STRML: gpg: Total number processed: 1
STRML: gpg: imported: 1 (RSA: 1)
fluffypony: STRML: that's because it's interpreting the \n as a line break
fluffypony: I think anyway
fluffypony: gpg: invalid armor header: mQINBE8wSNoBEAC3Bg08G6qZVa62svL60QktAWqWByK6MYaMc6MQOAQYXC3WxFtM\n
STRML: ah could be.
mircea_popescu: ah yeah, it works on stock ggp
kakobrekla: i been there i think.
kakobrekla: just the timing was off apparently.
mircea_popescu: lol tis barcelona
STRML: I guess I live in the wrong city
mod6: dang
mod6: :D tyvm
mod6: now, there's a stress-free job. go around taking photos of those girls.
mod6: every day is a great day! lol
mircea_popescu: you know, it actually is pretty shitty a job ?
mircea_popescu: it doesn't pay that much, you have to travel a lot, and what you don't see is that most hourlong shots take like 4 or 5, because constant interruptions.
mircea_popescu: the one guy i knew that was best at it used to be a war photoreporter before.
mod6: huh.
mod6: well, i guess i can imagine.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: Sounds like enough for almost everything but respectable BTC node << actually, if anyone could be arsed to publish a guide on "how to turn commercially available router into btc full node" i'd love him long time.
mircea_popescu: stuff like "desolder the 512mb card, replace with 128gb card" and "get kernel so and so in there" would be all fine.
mircea_popescu: if bitcoin nodes would cost something like 50 bucks and 6 hours' time off a computer-aware kid, that'd help immensely
mircea_popescu: because practically everyone has 4 hole router at home of which 2-3 holes are used. so get that plugged into the 4th and there we go, node problem fixed.
kakobrekla: i use all the holes
mod6: same
mod6: :D
mircea_popescu: you know if you use all the holes it means you got poor management
mircea_popescu: because there should be more holes being provisioned.
kakobrekla: very efficient
fluffypony: who even uses the holes, I use teh wifiez
fluffypony: wireless ALL of the things!
mod6 was on another tangent
kakobrekla switches tangent, not only routers
mircea_popescu: I USE ALL THE TANGENTS
kakobrekla: ascii has a tanget router
kakobrekla: prolly two.
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danielpbarron: "People emailed me saying she is not a dog so i googled llama and she is a llama, and I am keeping her because she already likes me and my house."
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ... if anyone could be arsed to publish a guide on 'how to turn commercially available router into btc full node' << the gadget i mentioned earlier, plus process, only need a larger - 64G+ - usb drive, to make this go. but i did not publish instructions, because did not think anyone wanted this.
davout: mircea_popescu: lol tis barcelona <<< the one with the mcdonalds flag is totally amsterdam
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3399 @ 0.00049223 = 1.6731 BTC [-]
nubbins`: asciilifeform total cost?
nubbins` blindly shuffles through logs
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: What did woodcoddler do to Bitcointalk?
nubbins`: i think u.s. customs ordered them to take it offline
nubbins`: because of the illegal wood importation
nubbins`: wts silkscreened butterfly labs dildos
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: You know what would be an interesting twist of the laser carved scam?
thestringpuller: !up felipelalli
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: I'm thinking you set up the normal carved while you wait booth at the mall or carnival or whatever with your laser, but you plug in a joystick and a trackball to make it seem like you are piloting the laser manually.
nubbins`: heheh
nubbins`: semi-automatic
BingoBoingo: Seriously
BingoBoingo: Dude could call himself a master laserworker to get his margins back up
jurov: ;;lasers
gribble: ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*
assbot: Ulbricht's college buddy just testified that Ulbricht told him in November 2011 he had already sold Silk Road to someone else.
BingoBoingo: ;;kittenlaser
gribble: Error: "kittenlaser" is not a valid command.
BingoBoingo: ;;kittenlasers
gribble: Error: "kittenlasers" is not a valid command.
BingoBoingo: ;;kittens
gribble: ุ ₍˄.͡˳̫.˄₎ ุ .･( meow! )
BingoBoingo: ;;laserkittens
gribble: ุ ₍˄.͡˳̫.˄₎ ุ ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew*
midnightmagic: ehh.. the testimoney of a friend. what's that worth
BingoBoingo: probably some quanta of doubt
BingoBoingo: Convicting should be hard
danielpbarron: doesn't that testimony hurt him further? "he told me he stopped murdering in 2011"
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: His lawyer's hand was already force into admitting he started it and was the bag holder. Right now the fight is to shave off charges and years in jail while setting up traps to get it overturned on appeal.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ideal candidate for an instant pocket-sized ~100 usd (largely cost of eeprom) node - miniature 'nas' devices. there are at least half a dozen manufacturers. not hard to do.
kakobrekla: or like hp microserver
jurov: dunno all these are only meagerly equipped with memory
jurov: was main reason why i went with miniitx
kakobrekla: 16gig for the microserver
jurov: with full 8G ram
kakobrekla: prolly 100$ second hand, 200 or so new.
jurov: hp microserver with 16gigs for $100-200? where?
kakobrekla: was just stating max
kakobrekla: by default they come with 4 or 8 i think
kakobrekla: anyway i have one in my kitchen.
jurov: oh btw don't they have remote management like iLO? i'm not so superstitious like asciilifeform, but do avoid that, too
kakobrekla: that backdoor is sold separately
asciilifeform: imho, no to x86, no to fans, and ought to keep cost minimal.
kakobrekla: but yes for reliability. even if rpi wold be strong enough (hey he didnt say no to arm, though he prolly ment it) it wouldnt cut as the thing is fragile.
jurov: i was under impression all have ilo nowadays
kakobrekla: idk mebbe the new models
asciilifeform: 'raspberry?' terrible, terrible i/o. ethernet on same usb as the storage. no thanks.
kakobrekla: yes i know its terrible
kakobrekla: prolly most chicom nas is same
kakobrekla: btw those ARM servers that got in france, more than qualified to run this
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thestringpuller: can qntra just kill bitcoin magazine already?
jurov: another murderous rage victim?
jurov: let's decentralize our mind itself! i heard THC or LSD can be used
danielpbarron: voorhees pretending MPEx doesn't exist
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: To be fair his settlement bars him from Bitcoin securities for a while
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: those ARM servers that got in france, more than qualified to run this << what do they cost? iirc mircea was asking for a dirt-cheap gadget
kakobrekla: cant be bought afaik hehe
davout: danielpbarron: "voorhees pretending MPEx doesn't exist" <<< how is he doing that?
danielpbarron: his opening argument is about how coinbase is the premire bitcoin service
davout: ah
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asciilifeform: kakobrekla: i was sorta assuming that mircea was posing the problem of whether a node could be optimized for 1) minimal cost 2) physical compactness in that order, perhaps to be airdropped behind enemy lines
kakobrekla: aha prolly yea
danielpbarron: wow, the topic of "cyber security" is being covered by someone named "GloZell," a youtuber famous for filling her bathtub with milk and cereal and swiming in it
mircea_popescu: not bad.
asciilifeform: jurov: to pose the question of 'hardware diddlery' for a machine in one's kitchen, can be called superstition; to pose the same question re: xxx thousand physically identical bitcoin nodes airdropped over enemy country, is stark rationality.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo lol who the fuck is badbitcoin.org
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Some derp "scam spotting" service.
mircea_popescu: yeah but i mean, who as in what person.
mircea_popescu: "Declaration of Interest. We have investments in Paycoin (XPY) and in GAW. We invest in order to generate funds to continue running this site. We would not invest in anything we considered to be a Ponzi or Scam. We have exercised due diligence and believe this to be a trustworthy company and project. We also provide links to trusted 3rd party sites.
mircea_popescu: January 2015"
mircea_popescu: ok nevermind.
mircea_popescu: looked a lot like astroturf, turns out it is exactly astroturf.
davout: so many chumps, so little time
BingoBoingo: And astroturf is a phenomenon, not a who
mircea_popescu: davout so will you be able to take over if/when bitpay croaks ?
mircea_popescu: davout: thestringpuller: you're australian amirite? << no, he
mircea_popescu: 's our token black guy. cazalla is the token ozian.
davout: yeah, he's a cowboy
davout: re bitpay i have no idea
kakobrekla: most 'merchants' be in merrica
davout: the way i see it the payment bzns is just as an extra pipe to bring volume to the exchange
mircea_popescu: well... payments.
davout: yep
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla i ask specifically because i have a coupla derps im paying via bitpay currently.
BingoBoingo: !up cazalla
davout: kakobrekla: i can't america, because fatca
kakobrekla: i kno
mircea_popescu: backup plans never hurt. once they go "well wtf we do nao, we don't want to lose your $xxxx" i just go "use this" and end of story.
mircea_popescu: this shit's fascinating. davout's article ? 2 comments. reddit pseudo-discussion of the topic ? >100 comments.
mircea_popescu: echo chamber be echotastic.
jurov: can't get karma from comments on davouts blog
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: i think i just blown my retard-o-meter << who's "kristo atlas" again ? not the actual atlas ?!
jurov: not bittips :)
jurov: *nor
mircea_popescu: such weird.
mircea_popescu: jurov: don't copy that stuff here then. can cause murderous rage for mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes and others << j knows.
assbot: Kristov Atlas | Bitcoin Press Center ... ( http://bit.ly/1y4HB28 )
mircea_popescu: but seriously : so the people too dumb to participate in the actual bitcoin discussion, here, eitehr because they can't get an irc client going or because they can't gpg or whatever, because their windows doesn't come with a "b-a button", sit somewhere and derp.
mircea_popescu: good for em lol
mircea_popescu: BitcoinRole: "Entrepreneur, Writer" ? srsly ?
mircea_popescu: never heard of him.
kakobrekla: Kristov is the author of "Anonymous Bitcoin: How to Keep Your ฿ All to Yourself," available for sale at http://anonymousbitcoinbook.com.
assbot: Anonymous Bitcoin: How to Keep Your B All to Yourself – Anonymous Bitcoin Book ... ( http://bit.ly/1y4HUKs )
mircea_popescu: also never heard of it.
mircea_popescu: somehow, we all manage, inexplicably.
mircea_popescu: assbot: Bitcoin Forum Bitcointalk is Down due to Disk Failure - Data Lost << bs. he got served, panicked and deleted the data.
kakobrekla: last few hrs only ?
mircea_popescu: methinks we see a jailed & pardoned marquardt show up here to "talk business" within the year.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ... i have a coupla derps im paying via bitpay << lol!! srsly ? in usa, no less?
assbot: Data since Jan 21 21:44 UTC will not be automatically recovered, though if anything important was lost, I might be able to find it manually.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform at least some.
cazalla: bitcoinpresscenter.org was andreas derps response after he was denied a listing on some other bitcoin site from memory
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: mind-blowing
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla hm. well... mebbe.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i guess no good reason.
mircea_popescu: cazalla so basically this is the o'reilly flavour of astroturfed "bitcoin experts" ?
jurov: let's call them honey badgers
mircea_popescu: *: danielpbarron seriously doubts it will be on freenode in 20 years, or if there will even be a freenode << as far as freenode is concenred, i am agreed. however, b-a is 4ever!
mircea_popescu: jurov i dun recall, what's that reference ?
jurov: mircea_popescu: animals on book covers
assbot: How Bitcoin Became the Honey Badger of Money | WIRED ... ( http://bit.ly/1y4Jqfu )
jurov: i'm havin'it
jurov: or what was the mcd's slogan?
mircea_popescu: wow, conversion ?
jurov: jk
davout: LOL
mircea_popescu: maybe you're straight-curious :D
davout: lmao
jurov: yes, i'm curious :)
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron: if a tree falls in the woods, and nobody important was there to write about it, did it make a sound? << yes. after the beep, hear the sound it made.
jurov farts
ben_vulpes: heyo terrists
ben_vulpes: no i'm not waking up late
mircea_popescu: lobbes: I'm glad I discovered this place, man. Otherwise I would have been led off the cliff a long time ago << yer welcome.
cazalla: jurov, lovin' it although they changed it to lovin' beats hatin' apparently http://blogs.wsj.com/cmo/2014/10/27/mcdonalds-preps-new-ad-push-trip-to-super-bowl-sources/
assbot: McDonald’s Preps New Ad Push & Trip To Super Bowl -Sources - CMO Today - WSJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1y4KekG )
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes tell the sluts if they do this to you again i will hunt them down.
ben_vulpes: i can just imagine them frolicking squealing naked through the woods
mircea_popescu: jurov pls to look in bash mod queue ?
ben_vulpes: "popescu is coming! popescu is coming!"
ben_vulpes: "IN YOUR ENDO, HOOOOORES"
jurov: there are only 3 items in the bash q
jurov: kako taketh away
mircea_popescu: hoary whores!
jurov: approved
ben_vulpes: <jurov> don't copy that stuff here then. can cause murderous rage for mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes and others << my murderous rage reservoir is depleted
ben_vulpes: i'm cut all the way over to gleeful wanton murder today
kakobrekla: i would just take the last line of the last bash
kakobrekla: errything else trash
ben_vulpes: "HTML? SUUURE! IMMA BILL YOU LIKE AN HOUR FOR THAT! ON CALL? SURE! THAT'S LIKE 3 HOURS EASY PEASY!
jurov: you said you're depleted?
ben_vulpes: that's not rage
ben_vulpes: that's glee
ben_vulpes: but all caps glee
jurov: kk
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes had an overflow in his rage buffer
ben_vulpes: it's like one of those "so bad its good" things but it's more like "so pissed at computers i've now got ptsd and 'shall we over the trenches for fun tonight fellas?'"
ben_vulpes: !up yhwh_
ben_vulpes: got tablets?
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mircea_popescu: one week it's the imaginary tampon shortage, the next week it's the roasted jews...
ben_vulpes: <davout> [] https://twitter.com/OtaK_/status/558321238230462464 <<< this replace-pronouns twitter butthurt flow seems to be attracting a whole new level of stupid << i don't get the 140 character
assbot: It’s really smart as a business owner to go around publicly harassing people /davoutplantaire http://t.co/3MvaixKHb5
ben_vulpes: thing
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: It's stuck that way because SMS messages.
danielpbarron: ben_vulpes, twitter started as an SMS service, and tweets were limited to what could be sent via text
ben_vulpes: no i get the history and the technology, asshats.
kakobrekla: sms is 160 chars
danielpbarron: 20 chars for username
ben_vulpes: fucking sms.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37400 @ 0.00049027 = 18.3361 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: SMS is a scam anyway
assbot: Violento ataque antisemita en un hostel de Lago Puelo, en Chubut - 22.01.2015 - lanacion.com   ... ( http://bit.ly/1y4OKje )
undata: http://blogs.blackberry.com/2015/01/blackberry-net-neutrality/ << bb having been beaten to a pulp, demands the state level the playing field
assbot: Net Neutrality: No on Reclassification, Yes on Adding Content & App Providers | Inside BlackBerry ... ( http://bit.ly/1y4QF7i )
assbot: Sophistication of SOTU addresses has steadily dropped over time http://t.co/FUvzoUJLSf /hashtag/democracy?src=hash HT /Outsideness http://t.co/2dQgGpo4dB
BingoBoingo: undata: Wait until they demand the new reference bitcoin client and gossipd build on windows
mircea_popescu: demands are cheap.
undata: BingoBoingo: alarms going off... "hurry undata... achieve escape velocity!"
undata types furiously
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19700 @ 0.00049947 = 9.8396 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-01-2015#988309 << asciilifeform pls to put very detailed, complete instructions on your blog, plus pictures! this is really very nice and good.
assbot: Logged on 22-01-2015 20:46:00; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ... if anyone could be arsed to publish a guide on 'how to turn commercially available router into btc full node' << the gadget i mentioned earlier, plus process, only need a larger - 64G+ - usb drive, to make this go. but i did not publish instructions, because did not think anyone wanted this.
mircea_popescu: davout: the one with the mcdonalds flag is totally amsterdam << shit you're right
mircea_popescu: diff shot in barcelona.
mthreat: mircea_popescu: hadn't seen that article... but lots of ex-germans in them there parts of patagonia
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic: ehh.. the testimoney of a friend. what's that worth << sworn testimony is sworn testimony. unless the witness gets impeached, it's worth as much as an employee's testimony
mircea_popescu: (which is every single agent guy)
mircea_popescu: mthreat apparently it actually happened.
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: imho, no to x86, no to fans, and ought to keep cost minimal. << yes.
mircea_popescu: maybe i'm not all together, but... what the fuck does stackexchange need 40mn for ?
mircea_popescu: i mean, i like spolsky and errything. but...
assbot: BitcoinTalk (@bitcointalk) | Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1y4Ziig )
nubbins`: someone with a twatter account ask thermos to manually restore the woodcollector scamzor thread
davout: nubbins`: i'll just post that in #bitcointalk-staff
nubbins`: tell him no sweat if all the nubbins rep threads don't get restored ;D
davout: hah, w/e not much ppl there, and no gribble, so no ;;later tell
mircea_popescu: gribble works globally!
assbot: TheWoodCollector comments on Anybody know why bitcointalk is down? ... ( http://bit.ly/1y4ZJJo )
davout: mircea_popescu: how will it know theymos is around if doesn't hang out in a chan where gribble also idles?
nubbins`: "I dont have a youtube account. Well, didnt have a youtube account. With new accounts you can only upload 10 minute videos i just found out. My DSLR camcorder records 20 minutes of video at a time."
mircea_popescu: davout ah there is that.
davout: and afaik thermos isn't that big of an irc guy
davout: nubbins`: just make a fake expert woodcarver competitor account, you'll probably get a whole extra load of lulz out of it
davout: when it comes back
Apocalyptic: davout, I've seen him idling in #bitcoin recently
nubbins`: my dslr will take a minimum of 20 minutes of video at a time
nubbins`: lelelel
mircea_popescu: "I NEVER SAID THAT IT WAS FROM MY OWN MIND, I HAVE ALREADY SAID THAT I USED STOCK IMAGES ON SOME OF THE PIECES. that is not a crime, i own the rights to them. 70% of your metal coins on the forum have stock image elements on them. Better start a dozen more witch hunts."
mircea_popescu: handcarved stock image!
davout: a screencap of a stock picture is OC!1 genius!
mircea_popescu goes to starred restaurant, orders happy meal. they put one together by hand. me is gratified.
davout: lol
mircea_popescu: "you know you could have had duck a la reine for the same money ?"
mircea_popescu: "what's money."
mircea_popescu: "agricultrice francaise"
davout: et ce n'est pas le champ que ca me donne envie de labourer...
mircea_popescu: (it's not labour, it's to plow. false friend :D)
mircea_popescu: while in english women go into labour, in french men labour to send them there.
davout: semantically the french "labourer" is a subset of "to labour"
davout: as in "one particular kind of work"
mircea_popescu: davout actually the best continuation of the laser handcarving drama would be if the guy turns out to be a midget chinese woman that does it with her nails.
davout: that stock photographers stole from?
mircea_popescu: lol no, actually copies stock photos for no discernible reason.
mircea_popescu: just you know, pure absurdism.
davout: i can taste the absurd
BingoBoingo: I'm telling you the better version of this scam would be an artisan laser etching booth with a placebo joystick.
mircea_popescu: that would be pretty cool too
BingoBoingo: "hand guided laser etching"
mircea_popescu: no magnifying glass or anything right ?
BingoBoingo: Of course not. It's a carnival barker's scam.
mircea_popescu: http://40.media.tumblr.com/f0052b5e9c40283fe9a86fa64ea0b7b8/tumblr_ng3fjklqmB1s9e2ofo1_500.jpg << that obnoxious moment when not only your younger sister has better boobage... but she outruns you, too.
mircea_popescu: #girlhate
mircea_popescu: !up nijotz
nijotz: mircea_popescu: danke
nijotz: I'll have to look into this web of trust rating
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8847 @ 0.00050317 = 4.4515 BTC [+] {2}
davout: that pronoun-gate keeps delivering
BingoBoingo: My two favorite parts of speech to use "Fuck" as are pronoun and adverb. "Stupid fuck, stop fuckly jumping around like a fuck."
davout: BingoBoingo: which makes me think of -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aR9KUaOlxpk
assbot: François Pérusse - Apprendre l'anglais - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1BiUuKZ )
davout: "Learn english"
mircea_popescu: sooo... camembert pizza. who knew.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00049015 = 3.284 BTC [-]
davout: mircea_popescu: 60 million french people
mircea_popescu: what can i tell ye.
mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/2015/01/bitcoin-finance-in-2014/ << i thought this was pretty great writing from mike_c
assbot: Bitcoin Finance in 2014 | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1E7Ru7J )
mircea_popescu: !up Foptork
mike_c: thank you!
asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=8&cpage=1#comment-17069 << comments from folks who won't learn to read are annoying
assbot: Loper OS » Intro, Part II. ... ( http://bit.ly/1E7ROmM )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: router... instructions << see this site: http://rtfm.net/FreeBSD/ERL >> the only modification is, take a larger usb flash drive, follow his gpart resize instructions.
assbot: FreeBSD 10.x on Ubiquiti EdgeRouter Lite ... ( http://bit.ly/1BiW8MC )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: near the end of that page there is a script for cross-compile to mips on a larger machine (e.g. x86)
pete_dushenski: stan can it be true that you haven't written an article in 7 months ??
pete_dushenski: seems like you had a solid streak going
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: it's true. largely on account of being very busy with actual work.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: i generally don't write the kind of article that doesn't require at least a full day's concentration.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'm not certain, however, that 'edgerouter' would be the optimal candidate for the mega-cheap node. the device itself is around 100 usd, and a decently large flash drive is yet again a quarter of that.
asciilifeform: what did we need these for again...?
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform that effort definitely comes through!
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: glad you enjoyed the articles. i actually have a new one in the works, but - no time presently to finish it.
asciilifeform: (it was to concern the usg dept. of firmware-diddlers)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so that anyone can make one, and perhaps some of the redditards actually will.
pete_dushenski: ah well looking forward to it
nubbins`: "The battery just died in my camera, so i am taking a quick break"
nubbins`: -woodcollector
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it would be quite simple to distribute a binary image that a monkey could pipe to usb flash and insert. for man, rather than monkey, one would prefer a 'thebitcoin.foundation'-style cookbook with signed configs/patches...
mircea_popescu: or a blogpost.
mircea_popescu: anything.
mircea_popescu: i just want a single item containing absolutely 100% everything that is needed, with no references.
mircea_popescu: none of "go here and it's 95% good"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: do you have a favourite piece of hardware in mind? preferably one which you know to be readily available around the world.
mircea_popescu: nope. i was trying to shoehorn into your recent research.
mircea_popescu: since you did all that anyway
kakobrekla: hook it up to anonibox!
nubbins`: two raspberry pis for the cost of a $100 router :P
mircea_popescu: yeh a $100 router is a bit rich.
asciilifeform: nubbins`: go try set up a node (any version of bitcoind you like) on 'raspberry'.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` is the raspberry still on a queue ? or they worked itthrough yet ?
undata: it will never sync
undata: the pi is teeerrible
asciilifeform: nubbins`: they used a defective i/o chip, which is abominably slow
nubbins`: mp they're freely available these days
nubbins`: asciilifeform even the "B+" version?
assbot: Model B+ | Raspberry Pi ... ( http://bit.ly/1E7TGw5 )
undata: if the tutorial included bootstrap.dat maybe, and even then would take a lifetime to catch up from there
asciilifeform: even it.
pete_dushenski: mike_c your year-in-review just reminded me about just-dice...
pete_dushenski: i was thinking that someone in the wot needs to get a dice site going and i was going to see if j-d was in need of a new owner but it looks like it's still running?
mike_c: yeah. what a money spout that thing was. i miss it.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55700 @ 0.00048217 = 26.8569 BTC [-] {2}
mike_c: j-d now runs on fake-coin
pete_dushenski: now i wonder who's behind it
mike_c: b-a has a dice site, coinroll
mike_c: jurov runs it
pete_dushenski: jurov needs to promo better
nubbins`: how about a beaglebox
nubbins`: or w/e they're called
pete_dushenski: the man has services to provide!
nubbins`: beagle...bone?
undata: nubbins`: that's it
assbot: Compiling Bitcoind on the BeagleBone Black - Tim Mattison ... ( http://bit.ly/1BiXBCz )
nubbins`: hm, i may try this
undata: wouldn't be bad to know the least amount of computer that could reasonably be expected to keep up with the blockchain for a worthwhile amount of time
nubbins`: straight-up, there's an opportunity to make money selling plug-n-play nodes
asciilifeform: nubbins`: i have 'openbsd' on one of these. also a little sluggish, though not as dreadful as 'raspberry'
undata: asciilifeform: what tinyputer do you use?
nubbins`: sluggish is okay, as long as it works
asciilifeform: undata: i have a number of them, for various experiments
undata: asciilifeform: any you consider that merit mention?
asciilifeform: nubbins`: imho, the best machine would be one which is readily available off the shelf with chassis, power supply, etc. and not require carpentry
asciilifeform: undata: they are all, as you would expect, rather threadbare.
mircea_popescu: !up infobel
mircea_popescu: yeah how's coinroll doing since j-d died ? jurov
nubbins`: asciilifeform: beaglebone black w/ custom-made btc-branded case, preloaded w/ software and ready to go. Slap it in a plastic clamshell, "babby's first bitcoin node"
Apocalyptic: asciilifeform, what high end alternative to beagleboard would you recommend, if there is one ?
nubbins`: walmart will be sellin em this time next year
mircea_popescu: <nubbins`> straight-up, there's an opportunity to make money selling plug-n-play nodes << there is. i'd advertise it.
pete_dushenski: i wonder if jurov would sell coinroll ?
asciilifeform: Apocalyptic: depends, for what purpose
nubbins`: i'd front some $$ to get it going as well
asciilifeform: Apocalyptic: if you like 'arm', there are a thousand boards to choose from.
nubbins`: package and market it right, you could make a tidy sum
mike_c: pete_dushenski: he's a partner, not sole proprietor.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> not require carpentry << replacing the soldered-in flash i can see, with the user's choice : 64, 128, we. but other than that, ideally nothing
pete_dushenski: a well til
pete_dushenski: mike_c you aren't the other partner are you?
mike_c: nope
Apocalyptic: asciilifeform, arm would do, for various experimenting purposes, just something similar in size and with quality components
mike_c: i want to say namworld, but not sure
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski iirc, namjies and i dun recall who else had it before
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: cheapest means of getting a unit with arbitrarily expandable storage is to pick one with usb lines
mircea_popescu: or that.
pete_dushenski: !gettrust namjies
assbot: namjies is not registered in WoT.
kakobrekla: namjies == namworld
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MG] 100000 @ 0.00009 = 9 BTC [-]
pete_dushenski: that's a funny nickname then
undata: http://beagleboard.org/black << cool that it has internal storage; it could ship with OS
assbot: BeagleBoard.org - black ... ( http://bit.ly/1E7VCVl )
undata: that plus some external storage
mircea_popescu: lawl #bitcoin-bra
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: what would you say is minimal ram for a 0.5.3 node bringup ?
kakobrekla: youd want 1gig
kakobrekla: maybe 500 if system has small footprint
kakobrekla: o shit gotta /nick ben_vulpes first
asciilifeform: 1g is probably not happening on 100 usd.
mircea_popescu: i dun think so. 256mb will prolly do it, if slowly.
kakobrekla: not in present chicken state but dont mind me what do i know
mod6: i've got a buddy running it on an aws micro with like 600Mb and it's working, but it runs itself out of ram like 1x per hour.
mod6: s/working/running
mod6: ive got a separate vm that has 1Gb of ram and it runs for about a 18-20 hours before it runs out of ram.
nubbins`: heheh
nubbins`: well i mean
kakobrekla: recall the munin charts i posted
nubbins`: the amount of ram isn't really the issue
mod6: my aws vm has like 2gb of ram and it runs out between 24 - 48 hours
nubbins`: the inexorable consumption thereof is the issue
mod6: yes.
undata: hah, I had munin on a micro and it'd help take down the instance
nubbins`: so maybe not design the device around the memory leak
undata: pile up on itself when the previous cron hadn't finished munging graphs
nubbins`: so it runs out once an hour? unplug it
kakobrekla: lol undata
nubbins`: fuck, kill and restart bitcoind on a timer
kakobrekla: nubbins` thats what i did.
mircea_popescu: when i said "it'll run" i meant smething like that.
nubbins`: then eventually when the real bitcoin core fixes the current memory leaks
nubbins`: your handy pocket node is already there
mircea_popescu: yeah, like, once mod6 does it.
mircea_popescu: not before. power fuckers had ~5 years to do it.
mircea_popescu: did jack.
nubbins`: that's what i meant
mircea_popescu: !up infobel
nubbins`: real = .foundation
infobel: tnx Popescu
mircea_popescu: sure. who're you ?
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu> did jack. < no leak in newer version, so they actually fixed it
nubbins`: !up mats
mats: ur da best
nubbins`: kakobrekla let's see the diffs :D
mats: re: router discussion, seems to me the obv solution is an OpenWrt 'package'
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla which one ?
kakobrekla: afaik 0.7 has bug 0.8 does not have bug
mircea_popescu: mats prolly something like that.
kakobrekla: this is from memory
mircea_popescu: no wai, .8 still leaks.
mod6: a few days ago, I had been looking mapOrphanBlocks as a possible reason that it runs itself out of ram as this structure goes unchecked in size in v0.5.3 -- when I was at ~180,000 blocks, these are the stats that I had built up so far:
assbot: dpaste: 365FMDC ... ( http://bit.ly/1E7X1ex )
mod6: yeah, i've read on place that they have this leakyness -- crashing problem all the way up to .9
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu i cant run .7 for more than a day on system x, runs .8 endlessly
mod6: *places
kakobrekla: .8x where x i dont recall atm
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu your article's title had me hoping for a deeper explanation into 'oficialismo' ...
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski lol. im no local expert, i onlybeen here like a year.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla a the x may be it.
infobel: any thoughts on Trezor anybody?
mircea_popescu: !s trezor
assbot: 127 results for 'trezor' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=trezor
PeterL: pete_dushenski I tried to put in a fix to scoopbot, he should respond to your blog now, let me know the next time you post something
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu ok mister, you've got one more year!
mircea_popescu: 3 years.
mod6: well, i could be wrong. i just saw a thing where they were telling some guy running a way forward version that he should add more swap or some such nonsense. but yeah... so it's been in there for a while.
pete_dushenski: PeterL wunderbar! danke!
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu 3 more or 3 total ?
PeterL: well, thank me once it works ;)
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski tba
asciilifeform: http://www.pcengines.ch/alix2d2.htm << x86. but passively cooled, supports fast storage, ~100 usd.
assbot: PC Engines alix2d2 product file ... ( http://bit.ly/1E7XvRV )
pete_dushenski: PeterL lol ok
assbot: PC Engines alix3d2 product file ... ( http://bit.ly/1E7XE7W )
mod6: awesome pics today :)
mats: jurov:it's more about acquiring useful muscle memory bits << kung fu is not a system of fighting, its a system of thought. you must outthink your opponent, whatever form he takes... because some of them will be more than just men.
mod6: =)
infobel: almost legal? :)
undata: infobel confirmed for cop
mircea_popescu: cop a feel ?
asciilifeform: http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/easyacc/wizard8800?s[]=mips << almost the idea, imho, physical embodiment for a node; but the hero who can stuff node into 32m is not yet born
assbot: EasyAcc Wi-Stor Wizard 4in1 wireless storage 8800 [OpenWrt Wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1E7YnG9 )
infobel: :))
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how hard is to field-upgrade these rams ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: depends whether the address lines are all brought out on the pcb
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: often, they are not.
mircea_popescu: can we look at easyacc schematix ?
mircea_popescu: lol that was long lasted
mircea_popescu: PeterL what's killing it ? dja know ?
PeterL: oh, that was me restarting it again, be back up in a sec
asciilifeform: 'wistor' schematics << chinese have not posted them, it seems, in the usual places. yet.
asciilifeform: it also appears to be out of production. but i distinctly recall seeing similar gadgets advertised.
mircea_popescu: meh, oop is no good for us
assbot: OpenStora ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bj0ZgN )
decimation: asciilifeform: there's a guide for booting 'edgerouter lite' with gentoo https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/MIPS/ERLite-3
assbot: MIPS/ERLite-3 - Gentoo Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bj104m )
asciilifeform: ^ ~35 usd
mircea_popescu: sounds much better
asciilifeform: decimation: yes, saw. flaky in may ways.
decimation: yeah, 'only works' with certain usb drives, and only certain kernels
asciilifeform: the 'verbatim' appears to be available in massive qty. 802.11+gb eth.
asciilifeform: 128M ram.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2500 @ 0.00087646 = 2.1912 BTC [-] {18}
asciilifeform double-checks
ben_vulpes: how'd i get almost 800 lines behind in one day!?
mircea_popescu: chewing tits is my bet.
assbot: Kingston Mobilelite Wireless MLW221 [OpenWrt Wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1E80yt9 )
asciilifeform: http://wiki.openwrt.org/_detail/media/mlw221-02.jpg?id=toh%3Akingston%3Amlw221 << instead of shielding the wireless card, as traditional...
assbot: media:mlw221-02.jpg [OpenWrt Wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1E80FoD )
asciilifeform: ~50 usd.
asciilifeform: !up mats
assbot: Why "representative democracy" doesn't work and doesn't make sense pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bj38sL )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, anyone else still awake: 'pogoplug' - 256MB ram; ~25 usd.
asciilifeform: gigabit ethernet.
asciilifeform: 128mb version, 15 usd.
asciilifeform: quite certainly parachutable behind enemy lines.
asciilifeform: !s liberator pistol
assbot: 0 results for 'liberator pistol' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=liberator+pistol
asciilifeform: was certain we spoke of it at one point
Apocalyptic: asciilifeform, out of these thousands boards to chose from, know any that features a Cortex-A57 CPU ?
asciilifeform: Apocalyptic: can't say from memory alone, i'm not an arm aficionado
Apocalyptic: alright, from what I got so far the ODROID-U2 looks decent, with a Cortex-A9 though
asciilifeform: Apocalyptic: what are you building ?
jurov: lolwut coinroll
jurov: pete_dushenski: it does kinda have pimp..er..affiliate program now
jurov: negotiate with namworld
Apocalyptic: asciilifeform, nothing in particular, just want to play with a board having a powerful CPU
pete_dushenski: jurov intriguing...
jurov: btw what about odroid? or it's turd?
pete_dushenski: ;;seen namworld
gribble: namworld was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 5 weeks, 5 days, 5 hours, 42 minutes, and 15 seconds ago: <Namworld> That's 888poker
asciilifeform: 'pogoplug' may actually be the cheapest linux box presently sold.
asciilifeform: turns out.
kakobrekla: sez 50$ a year
asciilifeform: a year if you buy their idiot chumpcloud thing
asciilifeform: so far, as i understand, the hardware is a loss-leader.
kakobrekla: you have other source?
asciilifeform: hence it is exactly what we want.
asciilifeform: let the morons pay.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: one can buy the gadget without subscribing to the idiocy
kakobrekla: weird
jurov: it's faster than rpi?
asciilifeform: jurov: not certain, as i've not tested it. but rpi had an uncommonly slow usb controller.
jurov: rumor has it that it has even slower i/o
assbot: Arch Linux ARM • View topic - Pogoplug Series 4 - Hardware CPU / Memory RAM ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bj50BT )
asciilifeform: they have sata jacks as well.
jurov: but..128 ram?
asciilifeform: anyone who can scavenge a laptop drive, can use.
asciilifeform: 128m promises to be tight, to say the least, with current 0.5.3.x
asciilifeform: the older 'pogoplug' actually shipped with 256m.
asciilifeform: for, iirc, the same cost.
jurov: amazon sells them between $20-$60 depending on version
asciilifeform: jurov: their 'p22' appears to ship with 256m. ~25 usd.
asciilifeform: again, i have not tried these machines.
asciilifeform: jurov, ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu - if one of you presently has a 0.5.3.x in a vm, try running under hard constraint of 128 or 256m. see when croaks.
mod6: i'll put it on the list here...
mod6: ok running with 128mb ram
assbot: dpaste: 1EPVKEK ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bj9Cb2 )
pete_dushenski: so it's working alright or... ?
assbot: dpaste: 2BDCF3R ... ( http://bit.ly/1BjbgJM )
mod6: up to 68,xxx blocks....
mod6: still going
mod6: 90xxx
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8350 @ 0.00048049 = 4.0121 BTC [-]
mod6: here's some vm info: http://dpaste.com/2JS2NC1
assbot: dpaste: 2JS2NC1 ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bjf7Xj )
mod6: 102xxx
assbot: Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1L4yCZa )
asciilifeform: mod6, ben_vulpes: as i understand, if the hypothetical node has a working oomkill mechanism, it will - mostly - run without intervention
ben_vulpes: i'm not entirely up to date on the thread, asciilifeform
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu posed a question re: what might be the cheapest reasonably-compact machine that will run 0.5.3.
mod6: it would be neat-o to see this run on some sort of commercial router with a large flash-rom in there.
asciilifeform: mod6: i picked up the sata-enabled 'pogo', will devote an hour or two to giving it a shot this weekend.
asciilifeform: mod6: ~20 usd
ben_vulpes: now there's an interesting notion
mod6: cool. in this case, im running v0.5.3[base]+patches{1,rm_rf_upnp,2,3,4,6(db_config),unreleased-version-update-patch}
mod6: in my most recent regression tests ( this past week, i've been leaving out the rm_checkpoints patch )
mod6: and so should you. I'll be tabling that, updating the "Patch guide" and pulling the tarball with that patch down from the website as soon as my other vm hits current block.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, mod6: one patch that probably needs to happen in time for the 'fork war' is manual seed config.
asciilifeform: right now there are, iirc, hardcoded - and possibly phoundation-subvertable - seeds.
asciilifeform: ditto for the irc mechanism (is that still in 0.5.3 ?)
mod6: here's a script that will build everything without the rm_checkpoints patch, with exception to the version number update:
mod6: asciilifeform: irc stuff is still in there.
mod6: basically; patches include so far, your patches, ben's rm UPNP & the bdb config update patches.
mod6: -s
mircea_popescu: 'pogoplug' eh ?
asciilifeform: cheapasdirtoplug
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: jurov, ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu - if one of you presently has a 0.5.3.x in a vm, try running under hard constraint of 128 or 256m. see when croaks. << it doesn't croak if it has the blockchain prebuilt, that part's for sure.
asciilifeform: https://www.exploitee.rs/index.php/PogoPlug_Mobile << unit in photo is the ~$12 version sans sata
assbot: PogoPlug Mobile - Exploitee.rs ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bjh1ay )
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes:dealbook.nytimes.com/2015/01/22/winklevoss-twins-aim << yeah yeah, they've been aiming at the toilet for three years now.
mircea_popescu: still have to unpucker the cock enough for as much as a dribble to come out
mats: hmm...added to my toy wish list
mircea_popescu: damned prostatis
mod6: 110k
mircea_popescu: did it crash yet ?
mod6: nope. grindin' on.
mod6: typically i see my first crash around 180k
mircea_popescu: i think it's more in the 230k ish range that there's some large reorgs
mircea_popescu: or that.
mod6: but, this is 10% of the memory i'm used to runing with
mod6: *running
asciilifeform: mod6: crash or oomkill ?
mod6: so, color me suprised
mod6: oom SIGKILL
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it doesn't actually crash-crash, not really.
mod6: mp: yeah, it definatly hits a slowdown from like 180k->270k
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: mine certainly did not. leaks? yes.
mircea_popescu: anyway, mod6 ben_vulpes : asciilifeform has a point, it'd be ideal if this can be wrapped up with a foundation blessed bitcoin core, and one that has the bad seed model snipped out ideally.
mircea_popescu: this is the ender of worlds, as it were.
mod6: so noted.
mircea_popescu: once there's a million dollar worth of them in the wild, "upgrading" bitcoin is this good joke.
asciilifeform: i have a 0.8 node that does crash quarterly or so. bitcoin-msghand[15569]: segfault at 0 ip 0000000000blahblah sp 0000blahblahblah error 4 in bitcoind[400000+303000]
asciilifeform: for a few years now.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i really never looked at anything they pushed out after the hearn fork.
asciilifeform: (how long has 8 been around? forgot)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: trick is to get them out and plugged in, it would appear
mircea_popescu: that won't be mnuch of a problem, once we have a coherent story wrapped up.
mircea_popescu: and mind you that i do NOT mean linux level of coherence.
mircea_popescu: i mean osx level of coherence.
asciilifeform: if seriously contemplating this, it is absolutely essential that 'the sapper not err'
mircea_popescu: error being defined as, "doesn't work"
asciilifeform: or phoundationfuckable
mircea_popescu: im not really worried about that.
asciilifeform: see earlier observation re: irc seeding
mircea_popescu: they're too dumb to count.
asciilifeform: they - sure. what of their master ?
mircea_popescu: just get it to where mrmike can run one.
mircea_popescu: their master is fresh out of stupid school.
asciilifeform: incidentally, if these are also to function as 'wallets'... i haven't any notion of whether, e.g., 'pogo', even has an rng.
mircea_popescu: no wallet at all.
asciilifeform: that's sane. but what luser will plug it in? 'wats in it fer me'
mircea_popescu: this is going to be a mempool "miner".
mircea_popescu: everyone will.
asciilifeform assumes mircea_popescu has a plan
mircea_popescu: i have a great plan. and if it doesn't work, that's ok.
mircea_popescu: i have another.
mircea_popescu: to quote marx.
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mircea_popescu: i bought myself all sorts of excellent cheeses today, from this very competent deli
mod6: nice
mircea_popescu: now my house smells like No Personal Higiene High athletic team had been camping out all week
asciilifeform spends more on cheese than on bandwidth, electronics, fuel put together
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know the cheese shop sketch ?
assbot: Monty Python - Cheese Shop - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1BjiWvz )
decimation: asciilifeform: there was a cheese shop in downtown dc called 'cowgirl creamery' that closed down
decimation: did you ever go there?
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2101 @ 0.00087762 = 1.8439 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: decimation i thought that was a san francisco outfit.
decimation: I think it is, they tried to open a shop in wash dc
decimation: didn't work out well
mircea_popescu: the thing is, us folk, and especially midwesterners (which is what washington is, in spite of all pretense) have very VERY bland tastes and a taste for blandness.
mircea_popescu: cheese's not really their thing. what passes for "sharp" cheddar in washington dc is in fact barely more than cream fraiche.
asciilifeform: decimation: yes, it existed. did go once.
asciilifeform: us folk... have very VERY bland tastes and a taste for blandness << yes!
asciilifeform: it is astonishing.
mircea_popescu: "take this food away, it... it... it almost TASTES of something!!1"
mircea_popescu: yet another aspect of neoteny.
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