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Adlai: ok
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3805 @ 0.00054162 = 2.0609 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9030 @ 0.00053185 = 4.8026 BTC [-] {2}
TheNewDeal: soso anyone interested in this S&P closing quarter 4?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00053185 = 3.6166 BTC [-]
TheNewDeal: ;;nethash
gribble: 305738708.312
TheNewDeal: ;;bc,stast
gribble: Error: "bc,stast" is not a valid command.
TheNewDeal: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 335798 | Current Difficulty: 3.945767130713873E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 336671 | Next Difficulty In: 873 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 5 days, 6 hours, 58 minutes, and 54 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 39043287016.4 | Estimated Percent Change: -1.0502
decimation: maybe 'honest' silicon valley is impossible, in the same way that it's impossible for the two prisoners to coorperate, even if it is in their best interests
decimation: (I've been reading that slatestarcodex link)
decimation: whoever is willing to 'cooperate' and produce hardware/software that actually serves only the customer, will be eaten both those who are willing to defect for a cheap buck
Adlai: on the other hand, proper cooperation strategies could yield a strong enough ecosystem that it could survive defections of individual entities without the entire cooperative system collapsing
Adlai: for increasingly speculative values of "could"
decimation: this is something that underlies my yearning for 'hard currency': the idea that a hard currency would make defecting in this manner much less profitable
Adlai: how so?
decimation: presumably in a world funded primarily by investors actual capitol instead of made-up dollars, the loss of a bitcoin on an idiotic scheme is going to be a loss forever
decimation: new bitcoins can't be printed up to ensure the solvency of the 'investor class'
Adlai: and since you put it in scare quotes, how would you define 'hard currency'?
Adlai: compromised silicon softens bitcoin
decimation: but as asciilifeform has pointed out, the bezzlars (usg) control the entire silicon process stack
decimation: I'm thinking of bitcoin, but any currency that is finite would suffice
decimation: anyway, the pressure to not-lose would be much greater than the pressure to win-big in such a world
assbot: No. It is a disgusting channel that is filled with white men who seriously advoc... | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1rjgBj2 )
decimation: it's not entirely a surprise, this
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1042 @ 0.00119979 = 1.2502 BTC [+]
ben_vulpes: "seriously advocate for slavery" << gosh, respect a woman's right to live in whatever kind of sin she wants!
ben_vulpes: who knew sexy_saffron was such a vile slut shamer.
decimation: if real, it is coming from someone who apparently makes slave porn all day long
decimation: I guess we know what she thinks about her customers
ben_vulpes: well who knows
ben_vulpes: could just be pandering to another audience
Adlai: the problem, and perfection, of irc is that it's just a bunch of words
Adlai: but i guess butts get hurt sometimes
decimation: but given that it was just created (the account) it could have easily been an account that was created by some spamming hobo who reads the logs
ben_vulpes: how paranoid shall we get tonight?
Adlai: lol then there is zero reason to believe it's really her
decimation: it would be amusing if that draws in a crowd though (the HN thread)
ben_vulpes: "business with keys", etc.
decimation: actually, there's very good reason to think it isn't her
decimation: if she actually 'is disgusted with irc', why would she continue to read the logs and follow bingo's link?
decimation: otherwise, we are to believe that she trolls low-rated HN stories?
ben_vulpes: follow BingoBoingo's link? read logs? i don't know that she did/does either.
Adlai: are we still entertaining the notion that saffron reads HN, not just on the front page, but on the Ask HN page - but didn't have an HN account until now?
Adlai: P(A) is reasonable, but P(A|~B) seems like a long shot
decimation: I guess pretty paranoid is the answer ;(
Adlai: If you think something is spam or offtopic, flag it by going to its page and clicking on the "flag" link. (Not all users will see this; there is a karma threshold.) If you flag something, please don't also comment that you did.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12624 @ 0.00054319 = 6.8572 BTC [+]
assbot: Hacker News Guidelines ... ( http://bit.ly/13FSIHI )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17100 @ 0.00054479 = 9.3159 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72300 @ 0.00055159 = 39.88 BTC [+] {2}
joecool: dat background
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1090 @ 0.00120102 = 1.3091 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Twas not my link, but Jurov's link
xanthyos: bitcoin is 322.23 and iirc captain kirk's birthday is 3/22/2233 and i've had some whiskey so i'm gonna buy some coinbase now for realz
assbot: Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2XYEWBW.txt )
BingoBoingo: So I apparently have an Android phone, but it is a shitty prepaid burner deal which is a plus. On the downside I am just now discovering all of the ways the Schildbach wallet sucks.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 944 @ 0.00119978 = 1.1326 BTC [-] {2}
xanthyos: i thought none of the android app wallets were safe. are you just testing it with a small amount?
joecool: android
joecool: nothign is safe
joecool: nothing will ever be safe
xanthyos: lot of the negative reviews refer to the receive address changing without their control
BingoBoingo: I have no BTC on there at the moment. I can't even create a backup of my wallet file.
joecool: BingoBoingo: that's a feature
BingoBoingo: joecool: Well, considering the entire premise of an android phone is carrying around a demilitarized zone between yourself and google sure.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37750 @ 0.00056041 = 21.1555 BTC [+] {2}
[]bot: Unable to get details for bet 1089: Get http://bitbet.us/bet/1089/?json: dial tcp 185.56.137.194:80: ConnectEx tcp: A connection attempt failed because the connected party did not properly respond after a period of time, or established connection failed because connected host has failed to respond.
joecool: o that looks quality
BingoBoingo: ^ bot ppls
BingoBoingo: OMG I never new startup vultures wer so self promoting on twitter https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/548014069492752384
assbot: What's updog?
BingoBoingo: RagnarDanneskjol: How is your winter holiday?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57650 @ 0.00058035 = 33.4572 BTC [+] {2}
RagnarDanneskjol: so far so good - its beach weather this week, so not quite wintery. you?
BingoBoingo: RagnarDanneskjol: We were promissed an assload of snow and instead got a bit of drizzel so going good here.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16400 @ 0.00058126 = 9.5327 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47400 @ 0.00056644 = 26.8493 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: MH370 shot by US Navy in March - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1vqZEQ4 )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49800 @ 0.00055253 = 27.516 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19700 @ 0.00056501 = 11.1307 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4336 @ 0.00056501 = 2.4499 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5014 @ 0.00056501 = 2.833 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 978 @ 0.0011999 = 1.1735 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: !up axitkhurana
BingoBoingo: !up austeritysucks
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22750 @ 0.00058277 = 13.258 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43100 @ 0.00058639 = 25.2734 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23800 @ 0.00056553 = 13.4596 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27265 @ 0.00058972 = 16.0787 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 5270 @ 0.00120341 = 6.342 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 4000 @ 0.0012036 = 4.8144 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35850 @ 0.0005855 = 20.9902 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47227 @ 0.00057592 = 27.199 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39419 @ 0.00060406 = 23.8114 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 25 @ 0.12499999 = 3.125 BTC [+] {2}
cazalla: the fuck is this clams bullshit on just-dice, they really expect i will send them btc private key to claim clams?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2566 @ 0.00060764 = 1.5592 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: cazalla: And now you know that scheme's greatest retardation
cazalla: i vaguely remember clams being discussed before but did not know finer details until decided to check just-dice out again
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40013 @ 0.00060764 = 24.3135 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Yeah, almost sucks as much as the Schilbach wallet which I can not yet evaluate
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10600 @ 0.00058474 = 6.1982 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1079 @ 0.00119041 = 1.2845 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3868 @ 0.0011904 = 4.6045 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1140 @ 0.0011904 = 1.3571 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17450 @ 0.00059034 = 10.3014 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8900 @ 0.00058986 = 5.2498 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.00059022 = 3.3052 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31271 @ 0.00059057 = 18.4677 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1002 @ 0.001202 = 1.2044 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21550 @ 0.00058574 = 12.6227 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5860 @ 0.00059555 = 3.4899 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20950 @ 0.00060166 = 12.6048 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10117 @ 0.00060145 = 6.0849 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32200 @ 0.0006095 = 19.6259 BTC [+] {2}
decimation: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 318.91, Best ask: 319.5, Bid-ask spread: 0.59000, Last trade: 319.51, 24 hour volume: 5065.01275594, 24 hour low: 316.88, 24 hour high: 330.28, 24 hour vwap: 323.372420418
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37150 @ 0.00061364 = 22.7967 BTC [+] {2}
decimation: Merry Christmas!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13400 @ 0.00059645 = 7.9924 BTC [-] {2}
dignork: BingoBoingo: even though giving private key is a stupid way to do it (you can prove the same by signature), normally I wouldn't care about leaked privkey, which ideally was used only once. Unless the key is also used for gribble, but then, who would use non-random key for grubble auth. Where do you see the problem?
dignork: and Merry Christmas! :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36100 @ 0.00061681 = 22.2668 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43200 @ 0.00058425 = 25.2396 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1220 @ 0.00119106 = 1.4531 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29747 @ 0.00061813 = 18.3875 BTC [+] {4}
thestringpuller: Merry X-Mas decimation!
thestringpuller: is cazalla awake? or did the merriment wear him down already?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33602 @ 0.00062294 = 20.932 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38448 @ 0.00063037 = 24.2365 BTC [+] {4}
thestringpuller: http://imgur.com/a/5afpv << coindesk without CSS
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13800 @ 0.00063595 = 8.7761 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2050 @ 0.0006284 = 1.2882 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5482 @ 0.000627 = 3.4372 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: merry x-mas danielpbarron
danielpbarron: bah humbug!
asciilifeform: mr spam rides again!
jurov: lol ben_vulpes he's fond of you ^^
jurov: "I am sorry that I had such a bad experience with your community but I am being extremely negatively affected as a result." lolwut
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18050 @ 0.00062655 = 11.3092 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 5300 @ 0.00119 = 6.307 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1000 @ 0.00119 = 1.19 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1060 @ 0.00119 = 1.2614 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1700 @ 0.00062655 = 1.0651 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41193 @ 0.00061944 = 25.5166 BTC [-] {2}
dignork: thestringpuller: "repeatoffender" keyword in their game, is a nice touch of insanity :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17533 @ 0.00062347 = 10.9313 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17000 @ 0.00062347 = 10.599 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32350 @ 0.000617 = 19.96 BTC [-] {3}
thestringpuller: "There is one company/cryptocurrency/platform which claims to occupy an interesting space between Bitcoin and altcoins, between DC and AC: Stellar, backed by Stripe. Its CTO, one Jed McCaleb, created Mt. Gox, the first big Bitcoin exchange (and sold it to Mark Karpelès long before Mt. Gox’s notorious implosion began.) He then created Ripple–which, he says curtly, “didn’t work out“–before moving to Stellar to “do
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32650 @ 0.00062686 = 20.467 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: Logged on 04-06-2014 00:08:26; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the buggers' traditional defense is to pretend that the event was a non-event - or, if this is impractical, to continue living in an imaginary world where they 'scooped' the story first, and all of the 'unsanctioned' discussion never happened.
asciilifeform: ^ the fundamental theorem of the media apparat.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15550 @ 0.00061902 = 9.6258 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31000 @ 0.00062931 = 19.5086 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31629 @ 0.00061339 = 19.4009 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45271 @ 0.00059909 = 27.1214 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11865 @ 0.00063332 = 7.5143 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: ;;gpg info cazalla
gribble: User 'cazalla', with keyid 21B9818A468F4AD0, fingerprint FD9FB3F73B5AE8499A02F0C521B9818A468F4AD0, and bitcoin address 1cKiW19Jc2aQ2sdKGkkEkGnbVZT8kKLAK, registered on Wed Feb 26 07:21:04 2014, last authed on Tue Dec 2 16:05:59 2014. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=cazalla . Currently not authenticated.
cazalla: ;;ident
gribble: Nick 'cazalla', with hostmask 'cazalla!cazalla@unaffiliated/cazalla', is identified as user 'cazalla', with GPG key id 21B9818A468F4AD0, key fingerprint FD9FB3F73B5AE8499A02F0C521B9818A468F4AD0, and bitcoin address 1cKiW19Jc2aQ2sdKGkkEkGnbVZT8kKLAK
mircea_popescu: hey there asseteers!
mircea_popescu: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8795280 << i lol'd but somehow dun think it's her
assbot: No. It is a disgusting channel that is filled with white men who seriously advoc... | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1CRONDI )
mircea_popescu: too much of a sjw dude vibe to it.
mircea_popescu: ;;seen sexy_saffron
gribble: sexy_saffron was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 21 weeks, 4 days, 22 hours, 28 minutes, and 2 seconds ago: <sexy_saffron> I really like how my picture turned out :)
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell sexy_saffron https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8795280 << is this ninjashogun posing as a woman again ?
assbot: No. It is a disgusting channel that is filled with white men who seriously advoc... | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1CRP35T )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19750 @ 0.00059902 = 11.8306 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller << re the techcrunch cadaver washing job in the case of mccaleb : mebbe someone should write a piece detailing how tech crunch bit a steel girder providing whitewashing services for well known bitcoin scammers.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-12-2014#960322 << o.o does ben_vulpes have some splainin' to do ?
assbot: Logged on 25-12-2014 17:38:41; scoopbot: New post on The Whet by han@thewhet: http://thewhet.net/2014/how-to-blame-others-and-entertain-people/
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: because - in all but one out of thousand cases - why??? << once the why is answered, the "make their own" is answered too, fiveseconds later .that's the point.
mircea_popescu: there's no "control" involved when the two options are "give us stuff for free" and "disappear into the night"
mircea_popescu: https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=sexy_saffron << heh no submissions one comment, created yest. derp.
assbot: Profile: sexy_saffron | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1CRRk0L )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5721 @ 0.00060027 = 3.4341 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: too bad christmas isnt more often. now that chan is dead i finally got some real work done.
kakobrekla: like taking out the trash for example.
kakobrekla: also worrying amount of covert christians here.
mircea_popescu: how is covert xtianity ?
kakobrekla: well i see them here on sundays ?
mircea_popescu: maybe they're covert sunday drivers.
mircea_popescu: pretending they're really christians
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: trolling trolls?
mircea_popescu: this has been another eggnogg powered conversation.
ben_vulpes: (slander, i'm sure)
mircea_popescu: eggnogg, bringing the covert of christmas!
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes so is he quoting a convo that actually occured on irc or one that actually occurred in his head ?
ben_vulpes: actually occurred.
jurov: we all have slanderous moments
mircea_popescu: what sort of a cult is this!
ben_vulpes: dunno boss
ben_vulpes: in any event it should be evident from the gross exaggeration of the lines in question what my intent was in that exchange.
ben_vulpes: bitbet doesn't defraud people
ben_vulpes: an mmorpg is a decade-long project
mircea_popescu: nigger is one thing, that's like freedom of speech and shit like that. but saying the bad about mpex and shit ?
mircea_popescu: THATS UNEMPATETHICAL!
ben_vulpes shrugs
mircea_popescu: if we seriously mean to take over teh fiat world we imperatively must have forbidden words!
ben_vulpes: no trollin plebs by shit talkin popescu properties
ben_vulpes: got it
mircea_popescu: i was thinking more of gluten
mircea_popescu: tinny sort of word.
ben_vulpes: next year when the keto freaks show up you'll want to ban glycogen or summat
mircea_popescu: all words starting with g
mircea_popescu: its an imperialist ploy to subdue the reaction.
mircea_popescu: i mean communist.
kakobrekla: good.
mircea_popescu: good doesn't really start with g
mircea_popescu: more like a q thingee
ben_vulpes: anyways can i do ya for anything else before emptying the dog's tanks?
mircea_popescu: moar eggnogg!
ben_vulpes: me too plz
mircea_popescu collapses in a pile
kakobrekla: go away i got more trash.
ben_vulpes: quickly, bahahara, send in the assasins! he's vulnerable!
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla eurotrash ?
jurov: wut, kako does trash once in year?
ben_vulpes: anyways, merry christmas ninjashogun
mircea_popescu: his address is 3, Augean Stables.
jurov: oh. at least he gets fresh milk directly from udder
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes you mean robert viragh ?
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: i guess we do need some X-Mas day content.
kakobrekla: jurov actually i did it yest, a bunch of old computer stuff which cant be disposed in a home dumpster
thestringpuller: re: mircea_popescu: mebbe someone should write a piece detailing how tech crunch bit a steel girder providing whitewashing services for well known bitcoin scammers.
mircea_popescu: a a yes yes
assbot: Warren Buffett Money Tips For 2015 - Business Insider ... ( http://bit.ly/1zC6EjJ )
mats: “Stay away from it. It’s a mirage, basically. … It’s a method of transmitting money. It’s a very effective way of transmitting money and you can do it anonymously and all that. A check is a way of transmitting money, too. Are checks worth a whole lot of money just because they can transmit money?"
mircea_popescu: lol buffett doesn't wish for the currency part of bitcoin to exist huh
mircea_popescu: guess what ? 100 dollar bills are also a way of transmitting value , which is what he misuses "money" to signify.
mircea_popescu: apparently people do think 100 dollar bills are worth 100 dollars just because they can reliably transmit 100 dollars.
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 319.06, Best ask: 320.16, Bid-ask spread: 1.10000, Last trade: 319.04, 24 hour volume: 4217.47189242, 24 hour low: 316.63, 24 hour high: 324.23, 24 hour vwap: 320.151987886
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10350 @ 0.00063203 = 6.5415 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 956 @ 0.00118352 = 1.1314 BTC [-] {5}
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: nigger is one thing, that's like freedom of speech << for some reason the Chappelle show skit that involved a white family with the last name "Niggar" came to mind.
mircea_popescu: pretty good skit
mircea_popescu: was he their milkman or what ?
mircea_popescu: "i know how you niggars are about paying debts" lol
mircea_popescu: incidentally, i've seen the prettiest black girl i ever saw.
mircea_popescu: no ass to speak of, just this pouffed up hair and huge green eyes
mircea_popescu: she basically looked like a melatonious lion.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: once the why is answered, the "make their own" is answered too, fiveseconds later << typically this question gets 'answered' when too late. as in the case of the russian trans-siberian pipeline.
ben_vulpes: ah that's right the virulent robert viragh
assbot: Elio19 +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
ben_vulpes: !up ELio19
mircea_popescu: !up ELio19
ben_vulpes: !up ELio19
ELio19: I thought my rate was pretty good, what do i need to get auto-voice?
ben_vulpes: ;;gettrust assbot ELio19
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask ELio19!~elio19@gateway/tor-sasl/elio19. Trust relationship from user assbot to user ELio19: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=ELio19 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=ELio19 | Rated since: Thu Mar 8 00:37:21 2012
ELio19: <assbot> You need a better WOT rating. (level 2 with assbot >0)
ben_vulpes: see the chart
ben_vulpes: ;;rate ELio19 1 new blood
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user ELio19 has been recorded.
ben_vulpes: easy come easy go
asciilifeform admits he is at this very moment... doing his day job
mircea_popescu: ELio19 who are you neways ?
ELio19: I'm a Cuban computer programmer.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform capitalists exploiting the workers eh ?
asciilifeform: workers exploiting selves
ELio19: Came to -otc in '12 ( i think )
mircea_popescu: o hey. what'd you think of the obama-castro thing
ELio19: umm, its pretty cool i guess
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: prelude to 'colour' revolution
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform which one is that one again ?
ELio19: What does derp mean?
asciilifeform: a few of them
asciilifeform: ;;google coloured revolution
gribble: Colour revolution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colour_revolution>; Vladimir Putin: we must stop a Ukraine-style 'coloured revolution' in ...: <http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/11243521/Vladimir-Putin-we-must-stop-a-Ukraine-style-coloured-revolution-in-Russia.html>; Putin says Russia must prevent 'color revolution' | (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: o wait, the us dept of state middle east efforts ?
asciilifeform: aka cia coup
mircea_popescu: aite, well, bottoms up fellow cultists!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00063332 = 5.9532 BTC [+]
ELio19: What does derp mean?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13650 @ 0.00063409 = 8.6553 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8729 @ 0.00063203 = 5.517 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: derp.
[]bot: Bet placed: 6 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment" http://bitbet.us/bet/786/ Odds: 28(Y):72(N) by coin, 46(Y):54(N) by weight. Total bet: 4045.40374824 BTC. Current weight: 15,224.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8300 @ 0.00059902 = 4.9719 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.00060564 = 5.6325 BTC [+]
jurov: ;;ud derp
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=derp | The contemporary DNC and GOP parties are one party. the DeRps. Ignore what they say, watch what they do! Your common DeRp wants government spending.
jurov: hahaha
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38350 @ 0.0005956 = 22.8413 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16350 @ 0.00060245 = 9.8501 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3428 @ 0.00059445 = 2.0378 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38150 @ 0.00059432 = 22.6733 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20645 @ 0.00060619 = 12.5148 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9779 @ 0.00062993 = 6.1601 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28100 @ 0.00061689 = 17.3346 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17300 @ 0.00059212 = 10.2437 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11981 @ 0.00059212 = 7.0942 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31880 @ 0.0006189 = 19.7305 BTC [+] {3}
ben_vulpes: has anyone ever messed around with sighash_anyonecanpay?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61876 @ 0.00058446 = 36.164 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25262 @ 0.00061708 = 15.5887 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15900 @ 0.00063427 = 10.0849 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7200 @ 0.00063427 = 4.5667 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: lol wut?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6200 @ 0.00063112 = 3.9129 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2950 @ 0.00063112 = 1.8618 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: >I think OP_RETURN has shown itself to be seriously problematic; and we continue to have problems with people beleving that storing non-bitcoin related data in the chain (as opposed, e.g. to simple commitments or things like ECDH nonces) is an approved, correct, non-antisocial use of the system.
kakobrekla: a non-antisocial!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34200 @ 0.00063427 = 21.692 BTC [+]
ben_vulpes: any way bitcoin can be used is a fine way to use bitcoin.
assbot: Change the default maximum OP_RETURN size to 80 bytes by Flavien · Pull Request #5286 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/13yxXgE )
decimation: kakobrekla: the guy writes in a normative way as if he was in charge of something
assbot: Change the default maximum OP_RETURN size to 80 bytes by Flavien · Pull Request #5286 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/13yyb7s )
ben_vulpes: Luke-Jr: "Perhaps we should set the default to a random value between 0-80 at startup, to incentivise miners making their own decision without actually forcing it explicitly."
kakobrekla: the whole thing is pretty far out there.
danielpbarron: what happens if one of these things gets included in a block? does a pre 0.6.* node reject the whole block?
kakobrekla: one of whese things?
danielpbarron: a transaction with a bigger OP_RETURN
kakobrekla: .6 allows for 80 bytes prolly
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 335934 | Current Difficulty: 3.945767130713873E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 336671 | Next Difficulty In: 737 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 15 hours, 56 minutes, and 57 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 39418386145.2 | Estimated Percent Change: -0.09956
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37186 @ 0.00063468 = 23.6012 BTC [+] {3}
danielpbarron: !up Luke-Jr
Luke-Jr: danielpbarron: this OP_RETURN stuff has nothing to do with the consensus system or blocks
Luke-Jr: it's just node policy - what the node in question will choose to relay, mine, etc
Luke-Jr: so ideally it should be determined by each node operator, not a centralised group
kakobrekla: currently if you mine with version x you allow for 80 bytes and with version y 40 ?
Luke-Jr: kakobrekla: I think it's 40 in all released versions
Luke-Jr: 0.10 will allow changing it, at least (I forget if it increased to 80)
Luke-Jr: increased the default*
Luke-Jr: actually, if that pull request is still open, the default must still be 40
kakobrekla: why does the guy in the thread there talk about some 'change'
Luke-Jr: kakobrekla: when OP_RETURN code was initially merged to git, it was 80; it changed to 40 prior to any release
Luke-Jr: so since node operators are lazy and don't set their own policies, it puts a weird centralising pressure to try to make some kind of one-size-fits-all policy. which makes for lots of stupid political arguments
Luke-Jr: so my idea there was to just have the default be some not-totally-absurd random value, so at least people who care about datacarrier support set it themselves
kakobrekla: well if we are shifting the blame we can shift it on the miners for not giving shit and devs for not making it easy
Luke-Jr: it's not a miner-only thing; each node has a policy
Luke-Jr: I'm certainly working on trying to make it easy though - see my CNodePolicy pull request
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32860 @ 0.00063627 = 20.9078 BTC [+] {2}
Luke-Jr: one of my goals right now is to make it so people can just drop a Python/Ruby/whatever script in their bitcoin directory for their policy
Luke-Jr: without having to hack C++, recompile, or worry about accidentally breaking consensus code
kakobrekla: anyway i dont think most pool ops are capable of making political decisions or code changes
Luke-Jr: well, that's another thing :p
Luke-Jr is also working on taking policy decisions away from pool ops
kakobrekla: and bet on 'wisdom of the crowd' ?
Luke-Jr: well, at the very least, people can outsource their policy to someone other than the pool
Luke-Jr: let anyone run their own policy server, and others can use that
Luke-Jr: no more "I have a good policy idea, but nobody will use it because I have 5 Mh/s"
Luke-Jr: now miners will safely use your policy without losing out on their pooled earnings
kakobrekla: rely tx policies is like you are temporarily covering yourself with a blanket
Luke-Jr: in a centralised world, perhaps
kakobrekla: want 30k bbet addresses to block?
Luke-Jr: wtf is bbet and why do I care?
kakobrekla: i thought you were blocking gambling stuff ?
Luke-Jr: just spam
kakobrekla: idk where i got that idea then.
Luke-Jr: trolls like to claim my spamfilter is gambling-related blacklisting or something
Luke-Jr: they miss the fact that Catholics consider gambling moral
kakobrekla: yeah but btc doesnt give a fuck about catholics
BingoBoingo: Or that apparently popes are spam too now
kakobrekla: anyway, i would not really give away the addys. not because of the damage you couldnt do but i was saying it to point out its a battle against infinity.
kakobrekla: at some point your rules to save resources will eat up more resources than just eating what comes.
Luke-Jr: kakobrekla: sure, but as long as some spam is easy to pick out, might as well
Luke-Jr: and my point was that the trolls' claim is ridiculous, since I have no incentive to block gambling at all
kakobrekla: yea lets not rehash this or else its gonna end in fuck you.
Luke-Jr: lol
danielpbarron: !down Luke-Jr might as well
decimation: it's amusing to see an argument of the form "I'm doing action X which tends to result in Y, but only trolls would believe that I want the result Y because reason R"
assbot: Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1FX51KJ.txt )
assbot: /SexyMissSaffron lol, is this really you? https://t.co/3FSQtTmE4w
thestringpuller: funny article hanbot
thestringpuller: when does your novel come out?
asciilifeform: now which one of you jokers conceived of that one.
hanbot: heya thestringpuller, thx, tho ninjaderpgun would be impossible to unfunnicize
hanbot: & merry holiday greeting y'all
gribble: Error: "merry" is not a valid command.
assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0KSF75C.txt )
hanbot: lol gribbly humbug
asciilifeform: saffron << real puzzler here. who the hell pulls that kind of gag, and why ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: What sort of person cares enough to burn time spamming?
asciilifeform: no ordinary spam. some bozo put in actual sweat for no immediately apparent purpose.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16042 @ 0.00063491 = 10.1852 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> no ordinary spam. some bozo put in actual sweat for no immediately apparent purpose. << All spam involves those elements. This just takes it to a different level...
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asciilifeform: can we get king of nk in the wot ?
cazalla: given BingoBoingo posted in the original thread, i am inclined to think he responsible for said hijinxs :P
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Well, Jurov dropped the link. NinjaSpamzor is a moderator or some shit on that venue though.
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