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decimation: asciilifeform: one wonders how much longer usg can afford choppermeisters when drones are obviously better and cheaper
decimation: except in actually moving cargo & humans
asciilifeform: when they stop bothering to make arrests.
asciilifeform: policeman - arrests. drone - aha, sure.
ben_vulpes: "tase and loiter"
ben_vulpes: "if necessary - tase again"
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Vexual: they'd be good at atms
ben_vulpes: repeat until scoopbot arrives for inert meatsack.
decimation: asciilifeform: my impression upon listening to police helicopter chatter is tha a majority of the calls for a helicopter come when either a kid wonders off or some perp tries to run from the po-lice
decimation: both of those missions could easily be performed by drone
asciilifeform: don't forget the traffic jobs.
decimation: eh, my impression is that they don't enforce traffic from the air much
decimation: or if they do, it's usually in cooperation with cops on the ground
asciilifeform: everything with cops on the ground
decimation: maryland is famous for having speed traps where a whole gang of cops wait - bravely stepping into the roadway and flagging speeders
decimation: the gang can absorb many at a time
asciilifeform: at any rate, once there are sufficiently many surplus rotating wing drones, they will be written off and handed to city police depts
asciilifeform: (fixed-wing drones aren't particularly useful in a city)
decimation: why not
asciilifeform: can't loiter
decimation: if the camera has automatic gimble, it hardly matters if the craft is stationary
decimation: gimbal
decimation: fixed-wing aircraft are much more fuel efficient
asciilifeform: chopper can sit down on a roof and film.
asciilifeform: efficient.
decimation: heh true
ben_vulpes: i was noodling on a fully-actuated flying wing last night.
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Tase is part of why the UNHCR is shitting on USG atm
ben_vulpes: 2 turbines perpendicular to long axis, with piping adequate to vector the thing around any of its axes.
decimation: ben_vulpes: was this a remote-control aircraft?
ben_vulpes: adequate, but also wicked performance gained by virtue of being able to control angle of attack.
ben_vulpes: decimation: it'd have to have the controller onboard.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: are you familiar with china's reply to 'why did you roll up the (tiananmen) students (molotov-armed, by some reliable accounts - also with grenades) with tanks ?'
ben_vulpes: probably flight planner too.
decimation: kinda like the 'osprey'
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: indignant (spontaneously or compensated, either) foreigners asked, 'why didn't you tase them, use tear gas'
Vexual: asciilifeform: is it beacuse they didn't have swarms of irritant devlivery drones?
decimation: with enough raw thrust, aerodynamics don't matter, can dance your vectoring fighter jet tango-style
asciilifeform: china answered: 'we aren't a d3m0cr4cy111!11, we don't stockpile instruments of crowd control, we're a poor country and prioritize useful things'
Vexual: fair answer, they weren't expecting it
ben_vulpes: decimation: still gotta get from point a to b - i'd like to see a thing that eschewed flaps for ducted turbine exhaust.
decimation: ben_vulpes: well, personal jet packs are fun, but not exactly fuel efficient
assbot: Logged on 26-01-2014 19:43:38; asciilifeform: for instance, they see their country as having 'sat for the same exam' as the ussr, and passed, while the latter flunked.
ben_vulpes: decimation: that's why i've always advocated going straight up with jets and then drifting sideways for as long as possible
ben_vulpes: decimation: imagine a really high aspect ratio diamond
decimation: that's an interesting idea
decimation: well, ultimately you could build a rocket that propels you to the high altitude winds of the stratosphere and unfolds massive delicate wings
ben_vulpes: two turbines aligned perpendicular to the long axis, with vent outputs from the turbines outputs all the way out at the tips of the diamond.
ben_vulpes: that way you have full control over pitch, roll, yaw
ben_vulpes: plus your main thrusters for "oomph"
ben_vulpes: with this kind of design it's trivial to turn end over end and stop extremely quickly.
decimation: isn't that kinda what the f-117 does
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: answer then (i haven't any idea) - why is 'vtol' uncommon today ?
decimation: my understanding is that it wastes alot of fuel
ben_vulpes: decimation: not a "thrust reverser": flip the whole beast around its long axis
ben_vulpes: thrust is now reversed
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: vtol requires ducting thrust orthogonally to operating thrust vector
decimation: ben_vulpes: would the diamond shape generate much lift?
ben_vulpes: wasteful
ben_vulpes: decimation: "diamond" << wave hands
decimation: 'osprey' is attempt to fix that
ben_vulpes: you can have a symmetric wing
ben_vulpes: so long as it has ducted thrust at the tips of both the long axis and short axis, you can arbitrarily dictate its angle of attack.
decimation: yeah I kinda see what you are getting at
ben_vulpes: (almost needless to say that the vectoring needs to go in both directions)
ben_vulpes: no gimbals
ben_vulpes: nothing but exhaust valves and delta-f control systems.
decimation: no but the thrust control would be complicated
ben_vulpes: what part?
BingoBoingo: Ah, lawyer backed off from needing an expert in Bitcoin after I posted rates.
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asciilifeform: ^ peculiar flying toy
decimation: so how are you going to stabilize your flying wing?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: that's the only kinda vtol that'll work
ben_vulpes: decimation: active stabilization.
decimation: asciilifeform: that's neat, would be useful to have stowed in your submarine
decimation: right, active stabilization implies fast computers (fairly easy) with lots of fast reacting thrust valves right?
mats_cd03: BingoBoingo: what was your asking rate
decimation: asciilifeform: note, there's not any external gimbaled camera
BingoBoingo: mats_cd03: $175/hr, 30 hour minimum. $5000 retainer. $300 per diem any day I travel.
BingoBoingo: I think that's cheap
decimation: other than the retainer that's pretty much in line for a qualified professional
ben_vulpes: decimation: bang bang pneumatic valves aren't terribly hard to put together.
ben_vulpes: pwm control.
BingoBoingo: retainer is essential.
BingoBoingo: Because qualified professional
decimation: ben_vulpes: it is a neat concept. It would probably make a neat little drone too
BingoBoingo: If I'm an expert I ought to be making more than the lawyers when I read and talk.
ben_vulpes: decimation: it's a wartime project.
BingoBoingo: And per diem is essential too, because if I'm going to chicago I'm not staying in a fucking Motel 8. I'm staying in the Sheraton, as a professional.
ben_vulpes: artists and armsmiths both need patrons.
decimation: but then again, it's not like flying wings are unknown to aircraft designers. I wonder why they aren't more popular
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: there. <<< heh.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform:they almost certainly laboured under an illusion of one kind or another. << that illusion is "money"
mircea_popescu: the sort you can't do anything with but that's ok.
mircea_popescu: lol @smegma coleopterae.
asciilifeform: that was my first thought too!
asciilifeform: when first saw.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: Comming from Transylvania I'm sure mircea_popescu has experience slaughtering vampires with sunlight << actually vampires are your friends.
mircea_popescu: ideally, your girlfriends.
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mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: So, a lawyer is inquiring what my hourly rate is as an expert witness... What does everyone else charge? << go for 40. too low you won't seem that expert. too high they'll just get antonoderp.
BingoBoingo: 125 seems the minimum for non-medical with self respect
decimation: asciilifeform: the post-wwii era was full of weird vtol designs http://airandspace.si.edu/collections/artifact.cfm?object=nasm_A19730274000
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mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you looking at seak thing ?
asciilifeform: decimation: 'avrocar'
asciilifeform: best airplane.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: looked at it
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mircea_popescu: this, in 2004 o.o
mircea_popescu: nuts the bezzle world.
BingoBoingo: Indeed
decimation: heh a flying roomba
asciilifeform: !s coanda effect
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mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo so 140 then
decimation: asciilifeform: the soviets had a line of 'ground effect' aircraft if I recall
asciilifeform: hovercraft.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: If they ask again.
BingoBoingo: I'll still have to insist on minimum hours/retainer/compensation from suffering the cold north of Chicago
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decimation: asciilifeform: no, jets the fly just a few feet above the ground - ekranoplan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lun-class_ekranoplan
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asciilifeform: normally english folks call them hovercraft also.
ben_vulpes: "ground effect" << also
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: master bitcoin repository repository is currently at 295000 << bitcoin ovopository ?
asciilifeform: if bitcoin ovipositor, where is proboscis ?
mircea_popescu: isn't jp-4 the thing that gets a lot of static if it flows ?
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asciilifeform: jp-4 << 1/2 kerosene/gasoline iirc
decimation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JP-4_(fuel) << "JP-4 was a non-conductive liquid, prone to build up static electricity when being moved through pipes and tanks. As it is volatile and has a low flash point, the static discharge could cause a fire. Beginning in the the mid-1980s an antistatic agent was added to the fuel to lower the charge buildup and decrease the corresponding risk of fires. Flow rates must be controlled, and all the
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decimation: equipment used must be electrically interconnected and well grounded."
decimation: interesting I didn't know that
asciilifeform: nonpolar hydrocarbons tend to conduct poorly, news at 11
mircea_popescu: oft depicted in media, this problem
mircea_popescu: anyway. i thought it was phased out.
decimation: it was apparently in favor of jp-8
decimation: or 'jet-a' in the civilian world
decimation: at any rate, I was distinguishing jet fuel from '100LL' commonly used in small piston engines
decimation: LL = "low lead"
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: with this kind of design it's trivial to turn end over end and stop extremely quickly. <<< someone's fascinated with dragonflies.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: Ah, lawyer backed off from needing an expert in Bitcoin after I posted rates. << how much did you post ?
mircea_popescu: heh. you overdid it.
mircea_popescu: nothing says pro quite like low rates in that biz.
assbot: Logged on 05-12-2014 05:21:20; BingoBoingo: mats_cd03: $175/hr, 30 hour minimum. $5000 retainer. $300 per diem any day I travel.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: "dragonflies" << well who doesn't love excellent cruising performance *and* agility?!
mircea_popescu: you know the dragonfly is 90% eye right ?
decimation: natures drone!
mircea_popescu: totally.
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asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: dragonfly << consider waveguide motor. precisely the missing ingredient for practical ornithopter with fully-articulated wings.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: your cable flexer?
asciilifeform: no need for joints, lubrication...
decimation: asciilifeform: it would be interesting to see how much heat is lost in the cable flex movement
ben_vulpes: 0.5.3 is luke_jr's fault
mod6: :D
ben_vulpes: 0.5.3 *wedge* is luke_jr's fault
asciilifeform: one day someone who gives a shit can reinvent it.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes whassat paste ?
decimation: ben_vulpes: so you fixed it?
asciilifeform: anyone verify that 0.5.3 unwedges if magic constant is changed ?
asciilifeform: last i recall, it was only kako's experiment with 0.7
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: can't really see anything like that working anywhere near the speed of sound.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i've an 0.5.3 that's happily chugging along with the new db config vals.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: speed of sound - no. synthetic bird, insect - sure.
asciilifeform: happily chugging with or without manually masturbated along the way?
ben_vulpes: the BDB docs themselves say to experiment with the lock number until it works
asciilifeform: not one reset ?
ben_vulpes: i've not rebooted it.
asciilifeform: did not exhaust memory either ?
asciilifeform: suspicious that leak would be predicated entirely on this
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ben_vulpes: i stopped it at 251442 to snapshot the db, and again at 260*** (something) to provide resources to transfer the blockchain bzip elsewhere
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i'll let you know if it exhausts memory.
ben_vulpes: that said if it does - oh well.
ben_vulpes: there are worse things in the world than restarting the thing occasionally while work proceeds.
mod6: well, aside from that, i think the goal is still to rip out BDB eventually anyway.
mod6: first, we just wanted to bypass the wedge block so we can catch up to the main chain.
ben_vulpes: an 0.5.3 that needs a kick in the ass a few times a day but can still catch up to chainhead trumps a power ranger hardfork with no published and serenissima-signed alternative.
mod6: first make it work, then we make it pretty
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform would hold that "it doesn't work".
asciilifeform: what other ways is it capable of failing in
ben_vulpes: let's find out!
decimation: infinitely many
asciilifeform: and can anyone even give a well-founded answer to this question
ben_vulpes: as we say during deploys
ben_vulpes: "what could go wrong?!"
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: not i.
ben_vulpes: perhaps your "carpenter".
BingoBoingo: !up Vexual
asciilifeform was lying in bed, delirious, and switched on a tablet toy, wanted to read about erasure codes to take mind off snot. and found an article with colourful pictures, sorta explaining one kind. and with horror saw the author:
asciilifeform: buterin.
asciilifeform: yes, that one.
asciilifeform: (what truck he has with this subject? who can say)
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mircea_popescu: im starting to suspect buterin is actually a manufactured identity.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i actually met him once.
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ben_vulpes: "him".
asciilifeform: ^ the article in question
mircea_popescu: some people "actually" met pirate once.
asciilifeform: bourbaki!
Vexual: i think i may have met that mastercard derp
mircea_popescu: more like, princess leia
ben_vulpes: well, someone with the face plastered everywhere.
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ben_vulpes: i refuse to claim knowledge of anything anymore. downright dangerous.
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BingoBoingo: ^ Dude sat next to Obama Monday, charged Thursday
Vexual: he looks like danny brewster
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: mouthed an insult at his royal highness ?
BingoBoingo: Maybe?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: where met buterin ?
decimation: mackay kind of revived gallager's work in the 60's with ldpc codes
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: a "bitcoin" "conference"
Vexual: "I certainly don't want anyone mining technology ... away from my control" <<this would sound more intelligent if he was stuttering
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ben_vulpes: back when he was still playing "journo"
mircea_popescu: $conference
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mircea_popescu: ^ this btw is a month away from being moar expensive
Vexual: can you just buy usd to offset expenses?
Vexual: pay more in bc, but arrive with 12 trillion pesos
ben_vulpes: Vexual: or take more btc. arsfolk love btc.
ben_vulpes: love even more buying them with pesos.
ben_vulpes: night all
mircea_popescu: so far, 4 people confirmered.
asciilifeform counts coin originally from mircea_popescu remaining in piggy, turns out it almost exactly equals above number.
mircea_popescu: lol win.
mircea_popescu: and ftr, last time we did wags and it didn't work out
mircea_popescu: so this time you'll have to sleep with hookers.
asciilifeform: what were wags?
Vexual: wives and girlfriends
mircea_popescu: ;;usd wag
gribble: Error: "usd" is not a valid command.
mircea_popescu: DAMN RIGHT
asciilifeform had an automatically zoophiliac mental picture of what 'wags' entails
asciilifeform is still in an odd mental space
mircea_popescu: it's not that far off from the truth.
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Vexual: a stack of benjis
Vexual: the dog and the banknote
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decimation: lol pdp11 on a chip
asciilifeform: my elder brother learned to program on these.
decimation: can run unix
asciilifeform: the physical package is typical of the culture
Vexual: what it doubles as a hammer?
asciilifeform: the staggered pins
Vexual: oh, for big fingers?
asciilifeform: afaik ussr did not churn out 'surface mount' process until the very end years.
asciilifeform: it was all hand - or, at the most l33t factories - wave - solder.
asciilifeform: ^ example of another
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decimation: asciilifeform: why planar package for hand soldering? why not dip?
decimation: !up Vexual
asciilifeform: decimation: holes cost
decimation: need plating machine, need drill press?
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asciilifeform: those items are present anyway. but wear on drills, time, defects, etc.
decimation: asciilifeform: did they do much wire wrap?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: http://www.ebay.com/itm/K1602RC2-Vintage-Quite-Rare-USSR-Soviet-Russian-Magnetic-Bubble-Domain-Memory-/151342346010 << to complete your project. yes, bubble memory. go find usa bubble memory.
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decimation: I guess that costs - need pins, wire, etc
asciilifeform: decimation: nope
mats_cd03: coming up on xmas. where's my cardano?!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform's working oin coughing it up
mircea_popescu: he decided wetware is best after all.
asciilifeform wipes spit off probe cable
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asciilifeform: this one - through-hole parts everywhere, reminiscent of (usa) 'commodore 64'
Vexual: needs moar flux
asciilifeform: photographs show rom debugger - more than you can say for your pc !
decimation: ben_vulpes: I'm running a patched version of 0.5.3 with your fix, see if I can replicate results
Vexual: i don't know much about electronics, but fuck i go thruogh some hookup wire
Vexual: prolly why i like perl
decimation: Vexual: wire wrapping is for you then
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Vexual: whats wire wrapping?
Vexual: oh hell no, it neads tinning
decimation: old-school electronics construction technique
decimation: nah no soldering required
mircea_popescu: you basically wrap wires around connectors
mircea_popescu: instead of soldering anything
Vexual: but thats my favourite part
mircea_popescu: course bakc when i was a kid we had this breadboard with springed clamps
asciilifeform also had springed clamps
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decimation: yeah student still use spring breadboard
decimation: it has poor characteristics with any kind of high frequency
asciilifeform: less-than-perfect wire wrapping was the doom of many an amateur digital gizmo
decimation: properly done it is more reliable than soldering
decimation: I think it is still used today to construct some satellites
asciilifeform: some of the early crays were in fact wire-wrapped.
asciilifeform: satellites << quite likely more reliable than lead-free solder, yes
Vexual: easier to probe for errors perhaps?
asciilifeform: but this is not a high bar
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mircea_popescu: what's lead free solder made out of anyway ?
decimation: silver tin
decimation: with copper too I guess. it's prone to weird 'whisker' formation
decimation: asciilifeform: no, more reliable than lead solder with extreme temp and vibration
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Vexual: ive got a few spools of very old solder
asciilifeform: lead free >> i'm using Sn/Bi
asciilifeform: 42/58 allow
Vexual: sticks like poo to a blanket
asciilifeform: co$$$$ts
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decimation: asciilifeform: is that the 'most reliable' alloy?
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BingoBoingo: Interesting machine
asciilifeform: decimation: it's decent. chosen because of 138C melting point.
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asciilifeform: decimation: will reflow in the equipment i have with very rough time curves and minimal damage to components.
decimation: makes sense.
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asciilifeform: i've always thought laser spotweld would make a beautiful replacement for solder.
asciilifeform: but no one wants to rock this boat, it seems.
decimation: well, literally $$bn have been invested on the current path
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decimation: which is basically the same argument as "but x86 has the warez"
asciilifeform: and in 1982 ru, pdp 'had the w4r3z'
mircea_popescu: i wonder why no laser welding actually.
asciilifeform: there is some.
mircea_popescu: could be nicely pulsed, way faster than mechanical...
asciilifeform: Li batteries
asciilifeform: can't solder'em
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asciilifeform: interestingly, Bi has... no stable isotopes.
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decimation: huh interesting.
decimation: well I'm going to retire, good evening gents
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BingoBoingo: !up badon
badon: hi BingoBoingo
badon: Is it accomplishing someone to prevent people from speaking?
badon: Is it accomplishing something to prevent people from speaking?
BingoBoingo: badon: If you register with gribble and get rated you can self voice
badon: But I don't trade bitcoin, I have no need of gribble.
badon: You could just handle that the standard way by requiring people to be registered with nickserv to be voiced.
BingoBoingo: But you have need of gribble if you want to self voice. Defeating nickserv would make impersonating other people too easy
badon: What do you mean by defeating nickserv?
midnightmagic: nickserv is broken anyway and doesn't have static identity
badon: What does impersonating people have to do with me?
BingoBoingo: Freenode gets hacked. Gribble's a second factor for identifying your self
BingoBoingo: badon: Well, voice
badon: BingoBoingo: Right, but why is that second factor critical just to merely speak?
badon: I'm very skeptical that's necessary.
BingoBoingo: Voice is based on identity and nickserv sucks at identity
badon: Oh, I see.
badon: Is trading a part of this channel?
BingoBoingo: I didn't make the system, I just join it
badon: I've never seen anything happen here...
BingoBoingo: Trading in this channel is infrequent
badon: Hmm, OK, then I'm still skeptical anything at all is being accomplished by preventing me from speaking.
BingoBoingo: At least in the way naively concieved
BingoBoingo: I don't really know how you are being prevented. You joined and a person voiced you, right?
badon: Right, but what is being accomplished by that extra step?
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badon: I can't think of anything.
badon: maybe there's something I'm simply not aware of.
badon: ...like the purpose of this channel, haha
BingoBoingo: Purpose of the channel takes a few months.
badon: So I've been told :)
BingoBoingo: The voice thing though is that words have meaning, and the strength of that is predicated on the person doing the speaking. Hence strong identification as opposed to weak identification.
badon: That makes sense.
badon: I feel dirty every time I send a password to nickserv or chanserv on IRC, but in my case, I use SASL and the Tor hidden service, so it's not plaintext like it might be for ordinary IRC connections.
BingoBoingo: Also nickserv registered names expire rather quickly
BingoBoingo: Only a few weeks of inactivity before freenode drops tham
badon: Really?!
badon: That 'tarded
BingoBoingo: !up Vexual
BingoBoingo: badon: Retarded is a large part of why, different system
Vexual: ;;gettrust Vexual
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user Vexual to user Vexual: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=Vexual&dest=Vexual | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Vexual | Rated since: never
Vexual: ;;gettrust Vexual
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user muXne to user Vexual: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=muXne&dest=Vexual | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Vexual | Rated since: never
Vexual: ;;gettrust Vexual
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user muXne to user Vexual: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=muXne&dest=Vexual | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Vexual | Rated since: never
Vexual: ;;gettrust muxne
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask Vexual!~x@unaffiliated/vexual. CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Trust relationship from user muXne to user muxne: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=muXne&dest=muxne | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=muxne | Rated since: Sun Jun 22 00:11:14 2014
badon: My experience has been that these trust models are useless. They're better than complete anonymity, because they end up having some practical monetary value, but the abuse of the trust always eventually becomes more profitable than honoring the trust. Therefore, if I don't trust you, I don't care what your PGP key says.
badon: In fact, my business style is to be suspicious of anyone who insists on formal contracts. If they don't trust me, I don't want to do business with them, and vice versa.
badon: That style has made life easy.
badon: If someone betrays my trust, I can't punch them in the head with their PGP public key.
badon: ^discuss
Vexual: ;use Alcholol
Vexual: theres the web of trust
Vexual: and i f you were invested in yourself badon, i'd trust you to do business on the net
badon: Vexual: Yes, that's how most of the best business people choose who they do business with.
badon: A venture capitalist wants to see an entrepreneur's children's college funds on the line, along with contracts to send them off to work in the mines. Then the VC might take them seriously as somebody who's going to do their best to not lose the business.
badon: More seriously, VC's like to see a business leadership that is personally highly invested into the business with their own financial resources.
Vexual: id wanna see the vcs moneys too
mats_cd03: i'm struggling to take you seriously
badon: Vexual: Usually VC's are already well-known for having deep pockets.
badon: Otherwise, no one would approach them. VC's don't normally solicit businesses to invest in them.
Vexual: yeah googles known for deep pockets, do you intall any app with any priveledges?
badon: Vexual: I have no idea what you just said.
Vexual: me neither
Vexual: i kinda work free association
Vexual: see what pops out
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badon: That sounds like a chemistry experiment.
punkman: !up badon
badon: thanks punkman
punkman: people trade all kinds of things on #bitcoin-otc, so it'd be useful for you to get in that
punkman: but it's not a web of trades
punkman: so we use it for all kinds of things
badon: Oh?
BingoBoingo: <badon> If someone betrays my trust, I can't punch them in the head with their PGP public key. << You can effectively indict them with the text they've signed
BingoBoingo: <badon> My experience has been that these trust models are useless. They're better than complete anonymity, because they end up having some practical monetary value, but the abuse of the trust always eventually becomes more profitable than honoring the trust. Therefore, if I don't trust you, I don't care what your PGP key says. << Trust isn't a point system though, it is a name system.
punkman: also if by "formal contract" you mean that thing with 50 pages some lawyers drafted, yeah we don't usually like those either.
badon: I'm sure somebody has a mathematical model of different ways to quantify trust.
punkman: it's not about quantity at all
punkman: total rating is indeed useless as a number
BingoBoingo: A person's a shithead or they aren't. If they aren't a shithead there's going to be qualitative reasons why they aren't a shithead.
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BingoBoingo: !up Vexual
Vexual: you never know how you look through other peoples eyes
badon: BingoBoingo: No, that's not true. A person might be kind and trustworthy to everyone except Jews, or people who's names start with Q, or whatever. In other words, there is no predictive value in any of these trust models. In other words again, there is no formula.
Vexual: unless you're in the wot
BingoBoingo: badon: Right, that's why it's qualitative rather than quantitative
badon: Some criminals specialize in building trust, and then violating it. That's why they're called "cons", with the word "con" being an abbreviation for "confidence".
badon: BingoBoingo: In other words, pointless to try to quantify, certainly not worth the bother of forcing it on people.
Vexual: you won't find many connable people here
BingoBoingo: Well, you have to know people you can ask about people
Vexual: badon: if you wanna quantify people you might as well bring a tank
badon: Vexual: You misunderstand, I'm saying I DON'T want to quantify people, because it's impossible.
badon: It's like asking what color fruit is.
Vexual: heres me thinking you're working for mastercard
badon: It's a question that is answerable on a case-by-case basis only.
BingoBoingo: Sure, that's why you want to identify people
Vexual: cool, i suppose we are in agreeance somewhere
badon: Vexual: You're not too far off the mark. I'm heavily involved in business.
badon: BingoBoingo: That helps, but I don't think it helps as much as everyone wishes it did.
BingoBoingo: No, it doesn't but what else is there?
badon: BingoBoingo: Cash on the table, everyone around it armed to the teeth.
BingoBoingo: Sure, but you still want to deal with a name and not an anon derp
badon: Either everyone dies in the next 2 minutes, or they all go home a little richer.
badon: BingoBoingo: I'll take the anon derp's cash.
BingoBoingo: I dunno I'd want to be around anon derp and armed anon friends, maybe they're dumb and think heist?
BingoBoingo: Chance of pulling of a heist might be worth it to anon derp
badon: Yeah, this gets into the realm of "how retarded is your neighbor?".
Vexual: one time things nearly always hurt everyone invol,ved
badon: If you live in Africa, for example, anon derps will risk their lives (and yours) just to get your shoes. In North Europe, an armored car with open doors might not be worth the bother when you can just show up to work every day and earn a good income.
Vexual: scam or robbery, it's not what you want
BingoBoingo: !up badon
BingoBoingo: !up Ralt
BingoBoingo: Hello Ralt
Ralt: hi
BingoBoingo: What brings you around these parts?
Ralt: just curious
Ralt: just lurking for now :)
BingoBoingo: Well if you want to lurk faster there's a link to logs in the topic so you can lurk the past too
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Ralt: BingoBoingo: what's this chan for exactly?
BingoBoingo: Good question. It's subtle. Takes time to realize that.
Ralt: I heard that there were lispers around, and that this'd be an interesting place. Is all
Ralt: so... I was just curious and went in.
Ralt: this is about all the information I have :)
BingoBoingo: Yeah plenty of lispers, think most of them are sleeping atm
Vexual: or making jetplanes with fucked up control systems
Vexual: 4 joysticks and a bluntlighter
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mats_cd03: what a useless discussion of trust
mats_cd03: i thought it'd get better, but it didn't, just one guy derping
BingoBoingo: Thought it was going to be a discussion of voice
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cazalla: !up Vexual
Vexual: hey
Vexual: i bet vuples could fly that thing, 4 joysticks and a debug panel
Vexual: meanwhile aour two favourite female rappers named for rhododhendrons are in a twitter feud
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Vexual: ;;google chappie release date
gribble: Chappie (2015) - IMDb: <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1823672/>; Chappie (film) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chappie_(film)>; CHAPPIE - Official Movie Trailer - In Theaters 3/6/15 - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhNshgSYF_M>
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mircea_popescu: badon: But I don't trade bitcoin, I have no need of gribble. << lmao
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mircea_popescu: "hey, I want to do x" "so get in wot" "but i have no need of it". well...
mircea_popescu: badon: My experience has been that these trust models are useless. <<< you are wrong. period and full stop. swallow this and change or get lost. also full stop.
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mircea_popescu: mats_cd03: what a useless discussion of trust <<< that's what fucking happens with noobs ALL THE DAMNED TIME. But they know better! But why won't people who do thinks professionally consider their input! But amateurism is a do-ocracy! But reasons! But considerations! But he's not read five years of tardstalk so five years of tardstalk has never happened. Let's do it again!
mircea_popescu: etc etc etfuckingc.
mircea_popescu: at least they used to rob hayseeds in grand central.
mircea_popescu: anyway, anyone got a localbitcoins account that they're using ? is that thing any cereal ?
cazalla: used it once for a buy, went ok, seems to be plenty of scammers too
assbot: Jorge Lanata denuncia que cónsul peruano en Argentina cambia dólares en mercado negro | Diario Correo ... ( http://bit.ly/1vvxt6k )
nubbins`: i feel like
nubbins`: localbitcoins is ripe for scammers
nubbins`: something about they lock up funds in a peculiar way, with onus on btc seller to prove tx went thru?
mircea_popescu: i have no idea.
mircea_popescu: but ba bitcoin market is in complete shambles and im getting sick of it.
mircea_popescu: absolute fucking astroturfing. idiot faux-bitcoin-foundation types push this sort of arrangement where i dunno, they buy an empanada to random people to say they're "accepting bitcoin" then populate all sorts of crudiferous web2.0 apps, maps and random websites.
mircea_popescu: if you look at it isuperficially it appears there's "hundreds" of places in a 12 million inhabitant town, which is somehow notable (srsly ?). if you actually investigate it, you soon discover they're all fictitious.
mircea_popescu: sure, some guy kinda remembers someone buying him a beer to say something or the other with coinsomething in it. last year.
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punkman: but coindesk said there are 8k convenience stores selling bitcoin !? http://www.coindesk.com/bitpagos-brings-bitcoin-8000-convenience-stores-ripio/
assbot: 8,000 Convenience Stores in Argentina Now Sell Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1vvAiEo )
punkman: ripoffio
nubbins`: "your email address is invalid" "which one did i use?" "nubs@nubs.nubs"
mircea_popescu: total bs.
mircea_popescu: for the record, bitpagos is some delaware start-up, looking to be bought out. it's playing the numbers game. the numbers are based on what numbers usually are based on, in fraudlandia i mean the internet.
mircea_popescu: like whatsapp had 85 billion users, same deal.
nubbins`: i do keep hearing buzz about bitcoin in .ar but figured it was just like everywhere else
nubbins`: i.e. a couple neckbeards & wizards puffing themselves up
mircea_popescu: quite exactly that.
cazalla: don't they have a bitcoin embassy in ar?
nubbins`: as if argentinians are looking for ANOTHER currency to gamble with
nubbins`: as if two wasn't enough
nubbins`: cazalla you forgot the ""
mircea_popescu: buncha 20something year olds, "designers" and "web experts" and whatnot, with their bike and their 0.18 btc in some sort of wallet that cost them .28
mircea_popescu: nubbins` ironically, it actually would be looking
mircea_popescu: except they're about as intellectually indolent as the mexican stereotype goes.
nubbins`: ;;google indolence breeds
gribble: indolent ulcer - definition of indolent ulcer by Medical dictionary: <http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/indolent+ulcer>; Full text of "The Indolence of the Filipino" - Internet Archive: <https://archive.org/stream/theindolenceofth06885gut/8indf10.txt>; Corneal ulcers in animals - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corneal_ulcers_in_animals>
nubbins`: meh. my first result was "easy money breeds indolence"
nubbins`: o and the first edition of the bird book is now sold out
nubbins`: also got in touch w/ the manufacturer of the paper we've been using, they said they have one roll left that they'd be willing to cut into sheets for us... but it's 1000 sheets at $3.05ea
nubbins`: which, i have to say, is a fucking bogus price
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mircea_popescu: these are broadsheets no ?
nubbins`: 22x30"
nubbins`: that's pretty close to broadsheet, yes
mircea_popescu: 30 grams of paper at 3 bux, what could go wrong.
nubbins`: 106 grams, even!
mircea_popescu: uh. a broadsheet is like .4 sqm. what's this, 250 gram paper ?
nubbins`: precisely so
nubbins`: this is the cover stock
nubbins`: 250gsm black cotton, acid-free, archival quality
nubbins`: two deckled edges, one smooth side, one lightly toothed :D
mircea_popescu: well then stop bitching.
nubbins`: $3.05 is costly!
mircea_popescu: PAPER DOESNT GROW ON TREES YOU KNOW!
nubbins`: this paper grows on plants 8)
nubbins`: i was expecting $2-$2.25 per sheet
fluffypony: PLANT MURDERER
nubbins`: actually the cotton plant does not die when you pick the cotton
nubbins`: (TYL)
fluffypony: I'm going to become carnivorous to stop abuse of plants
fluffypony: and throw jars of green paint at printers
nubbins`: anyway, i'll probably just switch over to Stonehenge paper after this shit runs out.
mircea_popescu: direct ab use, anyway
nubbins`: the pages are slightly less thick, 175gsm dead-tree
nubbins`: FSC certified, fwiw ;/
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mircea_popescu: o look at that ?
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mats_cd03: it breathes
assbot: China Has Overtaken the U.S. as the World’s Largest Economy | Vanity Fair ... ( http://bit.ly/1ymtOVC )
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mircea_popescu: kakobrekla lol
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03 wasn't that sometime in 2011 ?
mircea_popescu: im pretty sure.
mats_cd03: they're finally admitting it to themselves
mats_cd03: article's written by stiglitz
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assbot: MPIF (F.MPIF) November 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/15SG4q9 )
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mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes thestringpuller you know that qntrra piece came out really good.
mircea_popescu: !up jwSchool
danielpbarron: i've done quite a few face-to-face trades via localbitcoins; never used their escrow. just used it to post my phone number
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ben_vulpes: <badon> More seriously, VC's like to see a business leadership that is personally highly invested into the business with their own financial resources. << lol return of spamgun?
mats_cd03: just a guy with an inflated sense of self.
mats_cd03: who still worships at the altar of VC cock, apparently
ben_vulpes: indistinguishable from similar derps.
ben_vulpes: how are you, mats_cd03 ?
mats_cd03: kinda bored, i've been holding down an IT job since june
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> but ba bitcoin market is in complete shambles and im getting sick of it. << "retail" integrations aside, i found the actual buy/sell market totally functional.
mats_cd03: doing different things like studying the windows kernel, trying to learn malware analysis fundamentals and some of the tooling, docker deployment for dev and prod for a friend's website, and working on the courts circus project
ben_vulpes: sounds busy
mats_cd03: wishing i'd be free of the 9-5 drudgery
undata: arbeit macht frei!
undata: or uh, too busy to notice otherwise
undata: also good morning to you both, or whatever time of day it may be
mats_cd03: indeed
mats_cd03: whats new ben_vulpes
ben_vulpes: dockerizing jenkins
ben_vulpes: derpy client keeps breaking the build
ben_vulpes: gotta send everyone polite notifications of who's responsible each and every time now to make a point.
mats_cd03: of course
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ben_vulpes: dockerizing so that deploying CI in the future is a matter of running the provisioner and waiting a minute.
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mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> <mircea_popescu> "retail" integrations aside, i found the actual buy/sell market totally functional. << cristina's been cracking down.
mircea_popescu: !up Simonz
Simonz: ok
ben_vulpes: i'm intrigued to see if any of my contacts pick up when i come back.
mircea_popescu: !up op_testr
mircea_popescu: !uop katu
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cazalla: it's a week since bitcoin black friday and still, no stats from bitpay, it must've been a total flop
punkman: yeah who wants to buy things at ,,ticker
punkman: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 373.92, Best ask: 373.95, Bid-ask spread: 0.03000, Last trade: 373.92, 24 hour volume: 7766.05646487, 24 hour low: 363.99, 24 hour high: 374.2, 24 hour vwap: 370.711003633
cazalla: that habbo hotel bitcoin conference is on lol
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assbot: GBA | Home Page ... ( http://bit.ly/1CNOLR6 )
mircea_popescu: (if you don't recall her, the girl with the wooden block up her cunt from just-dice)
BingoBoingo: I thought she spelled her nick pikachu as in the pokemon
mircea_popescu: yeah well.
cazalla: pika pika
assbot: Distributed markets for drone operators : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1CNR6LX )
jurov: Drones and semi-autonomous household robots could be made to be controllable from a tablet or smartphone. Distributed markets for drone operators, some of them living in mud huts with nothing more than solar power and mesh-networks, could be very competitive!
jurov: mircea's drone vibrators...but the mud hut concept is novel
assbot: A Note to Our Readers | Rolling Stone ... ( http://bit.ly/1CNRtGf )
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BingoBoingo: !up noictib
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assbot: F.DERP November 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1zw7zP3 )
mircea_popescu: soooo node.js finally dead ?
mats_cd03: wishful thinking
undata: mircea_popescu: someone needs to tell the js horde
mircea_popescu: no dude totally, it's gonna be forked like 6 more times over 2015 and by 2016 it'll be like css.
undata: that wouldn't surprise me
undata: mircea_popescu: did you see that some derps are forking openbsd?
undata: apparently it's not future enough so they're going to add more future
assbot: Faq · bitrig/bitrig Wiki · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1zwaC9V )
mircea_popescu: my theory here being that substantial projects benefit from spurious forking, because it soaks up the idiots and sends them away. whereas spurious projects suffer from forking, because well, there's no way to distinguish the shards.
mircea_popescu: sort-of like how the same problems that sink centrally planned economies make market economies thrive
mircea_popescu: (the problem of choice, for instance)
undata: right, I'd assumed that anyone working on bitrig was rejected from openbsd proper
mircea_popescu: (and of course my way to distinguiosh the shards - "who's in charge ?" - is exactly acid to the eyes of the spuriomancers)
mats_cd03: if you're interested in using fiverr again, mircea_popescu, https://www.fiverr.com/mihaela_predan looks like a solid candidate for ro translations
assbot: mihaela_predan | fiverr ... ( http://bit.ly/1zwaWWk )
mircea_popescu: i fucking hate fiverrr
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mircea_popescu: is there a word for the activity of "going through your private stash of girlfriend pr0n" ?
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assbot: California's DBO: We Have Authority To Regulate Bitcoin | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1zwcX4G )
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03 of course, seeing how the prize is ~10x a fiverr, that article is highly arbitrageable i guess.
mircea_popescu: bwahahah
mats_cd03: ya. i'm going out tonight, so if someone wants to, you've got about a day to beat me to it
mats_cd03: found you a translator and everything!
assbot: California's DBO: We Have Authority To Regulate Bitcoin | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1zwdPGx )
assbot: Fraternity sexual assault and criminal activities: States should use gang laws to seize their assets. ... ( http://bit.ly/1zweOGL )
BingoBoingo: "Any responsible citizen can file suit" << Why write a derp piece then and not a suit?
mats_cd03: because poor
mats_cd03: can't afford to pay to be laughed at by a judge
cazalla: mircea_popescu, but they came to a consensus so who are we to disagree?
cazalla: btw i logged into the habbo hotel confrence, all the sponsored booths are pretty much bots, hardly any guests either for me to troll :\
mircea_popescu: wasn't there some massive thing with that game
mircea_popescu: where people kept trolling the players what was it
mircea_popescu: door blocking ?
assbot: Habbo /B/lockade - Encyclopedia Dramatica ... ( http://bit.ly/1zwh4Od )
mats_cd03: ben_vulpes: have you tried out Fig for docker deployments? its nice.
asciilifeform: who doesn't speak the language - can enjoy the photos.
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undata: mircea_popescu: "pool's closed due to aids"
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mircea_popescu: how's that flaming idiocy in slate under "jurisprudence" ?
mircea_popescu: this is like filing swimsuits under fur coats.
mircea_popescu: Delta Kappa Epsilon’s Yale chapter is in its fourth year of a five-year suspension that followed an episode in which pledges paraded through a residential quad chanting, “No means yes; yes means anal.”
mircea_popescu: this is "gangs" nao.
cazalla: mircea_popescu, yeah, see mats_cd03 link
cazalla: some grandma also thought the meme was targetting her grandchildren https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAo7kRDrUmU
assbot: Woman Mis-Interprets Internet Meme as Racist - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1zwjH2s )
assbot: UPDATED: Police Investigate Possible Hate Crime in Bevo Neighborhood « CBS St. Louis ... ( http://bit.ly/1zwjU63 )
assbot: Feds: Pair stole 39 guns, discussed selling them to Ferguson protesters : News ... ( http://bit.ly/1zwkXTt )
cazalla: BingoBoingo, "When the woman tried to drive around them, the suspects reportedly pulled out a firearm, so she stopped the car." the fuck? run em down!
BingoBoingo: That's probably what will happen next time.
cazalla: there is a video of that happening late last month https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiziJBg4Odc would score no points in carmageddon though, held back too much
assbot: Driver Plows into Ferguson Protest Crowd in Minneapolis (VIDEO) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1zwmokD )
assbot: Sergio Demian Lerner Hired By Vessenes' Foundation | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1vxlGEF )
mats_cd03: lol some kids are demonstrating nearby
undata: BingoBoingo: White teenagers << southern classlessness is colorblind
mats_cd03: i can hear them from here and they're at least a mile away
assbot: Tufts Students Organizing Protest In Response to Eric Garner Decision ... ( http://bit.ly/1vxmjOw )
mats_cd03: i bet 1btc they give up before 7PM so they can pregame for a party tonight
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jurov: mats_cd03: against whom?
jurov: the bet
mats_cd03: im kidding
kakobrekla: no kids or kidding here.
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asciilifeform: http://aklepov.com/index.php?page=elektronika-mk-85c-en (spammer's mirror, original long dead, archive dot org lacks photos)
assbot: Elektronika MK-85C | Клепов Анатолий Викторович ... ( http://bit.ly/1ynJjwD )
asciilifeform: astoundingly shoddy en transl.
asciilifeform: http://www.foia.cia.gov/sites/default/files/document_conversions/89801/DOC_0000500644.pdf << usg gloats (internally) at great length and detail re: soviet computer industry. circa 1989.
assbot: VAX/VMS Great Security Hole ... ( http://bit.ly/1ynLpfW )
asciilifeform: 'The hole let unprivileged user-mode program to switch into kernel mode. But more spectacularly, the hole was tightly coupled into unique architectural design of VMS, and in its sly and teasing way...'
asciilifeform: (in modern parlance - a 'local root')
ben_vulpes: mats_cd03: not enough yaml
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decimation: asciilifeform: have you come across this turd: http://www.wired.com/2014/11/darkhotel-malware/
assbot: DarkHotel: A Sophisticated New Hacking Attack Targets High-Profile Hotel Guests | WIRED ... ( http://bit.ly/1u1NnjD )
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mircea_popescu: <mats_cd03> i can hear them from here and they're at least a mile away << so they're demonstrating good lungs eh.
mircea_popescu: cazalla who's this sergio fellow again ?
mats_cd03: ben_vulpes: what do you need that for?
asciilifeform: hotels, evil access point, winblows trojans << snore
asciilifeform back to bed if that's all there is
asciilifeform: 'The key logger the attackers used also has Korean characters inside and appears to have ties to a coder in South Korea.' << lol, let's believe every byte of ascii text in the turd, aha
cazalla: mircea_popescu, i dunno, he's in BA, perhaps you can do an interview with the foundation's latest hire
asciilifeform: '“You have to be very skilled in kernel-level development and this is already quite a rare skillset,” says Vitaly Kamluk, principal security researcher at Kaspersky Lab.' << idiots
asciilifeform: 'There’s no logical reason to use a kernel-level keylogger says Raiu since it’s so easy to write key loggers that hook the Windows API using about four lines of code. “But these guys prefer to do a kernel-level keylogger, which is about 300 kilobytes in size—the driver for the key logger—which is pretty crazy and very unusual.' << imbeciles
asciilifeform: 'When victims attempt to connect to the WiFi network, they get a pop-up alert telling them their Adobe Flash player needs an update and offering them a file, digitally signed to make it look authentic, to download. If the victims accept they download, they get a Trojan delivered instead.' << run more winblows, 'high-profile executives,..., government agencies and NGOs and U.S. executives.'
asciilifeform: biodiesel.
undata: Here, inject this syringe.
asciilifeform: 'certified!'
undata: the guy looked like a doctor to me!
asciilifeform: 'NSA-Level Infection Mechanism,' 'rare skillset,' my arse.
undata: !up warptangent
decimation: asciilifeform: it seems to me that the advantages of a real-mode keylog are obvious
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well, there's also 30something kinda fat prostitutes.
asciilifeform: how are these used ?
decimation: asciilifeform: but apparently they broke a 512-bit rsa cert!
asciilifeform: (the prostitutes, that is. 'real mode' per traditional terminology is what msdos runs in, not sure how this applies here)
mircea_popescu: whatever way you feel like i guess.
asciilifeform: 512 bit << i can do that here, lol
decimation: heh I know
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform a no, this was re your "going to bed" line
decimation: leet h4x0rs everywhere
asciilifeform: 'yesterday's nobel is tomorrow's homework' was yesterday's proverb. today's is 'yesterday's homework is today's l33t 0day'
mircea_popescu: cazalla intel sez he's the guy with the 2013 reports about "discoveries". https://bitslog.wordpress.com/2013/04/17/the-well-deserved-fortune-of-satoshi-nakamoto/
assbot: The Well Deserved Fortune of Satoshi Nakamoto, Bitcoin creator, Visionary and Genius | Bitslog ... ( http://bit.ly/1s3CcHf )
asciilifeform: lol that one !
mircea_popescu: !up jborkl
jborkl: Thank you mircea
jborkl: Wow, the MasterCard video was a disaster
mircea_popescu: anyway, since we're doing that sorta thing, i guess i never linked http://trilema.com/2014/bitcoin-in-argentina-exactly-nothing-to-do-with-the-derps/
assbot: Bitcoin in Argentina : exactly nothing to do with the derps pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1rXLR7Q )
undata: "One of the consequences of these graph is that if the real name of the sender of a single transaction belonging to the entity is identified, then Satoshi mystery identity will be revealed. I bet that this will happen in the days following this post." < hilarious
undata: now that I've made these graphs, clearly the hard work is done
mircea_popescu: kinda typical derpage. but anyway, fake foundation gotta work itself aground somehow.
asciilifeform: work itself aground somehow << thus far there is an inexhaustible supply of... whatever it is
asciilifeform: snot also.
assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1YXMQBR.txt )
jborkl: Nice article mp
decimation: lol of the day https://www.joyent.com/blog/the-power-of-a-pronoun << One of the node.js core contributors, Ben Noordhuis, rejected a pull request that eliminated the use of a gendered pronoun in libuv.
assbot: The Power of a Pronoun - Blog - Joyent ... ( http://bit.ly/1s3DAK7 )
decimation: http://blog.nodejs.org/2013/12/03/bnoordhuis-departure/ << "As of this past weekend, Ben Noordhuis has decided to step away from Node.js and libuv, and is no longer acting as a core committer."
assbot: Ben Noordhuis's Departure ... ( http://bit.ly/1s3DHVX )
decimation: apparently they kicked the guy off the project because of his refusal to commit a pronoun patch
mircea_popescu: decimation you understand what's at stake there right ?
decimation: now this guy forked node.js
mircea_popescu: guys like hearn, gmaxwell etc , as well as guys like poettering etc, as well as guys like that derpy chick whatever her name is
mircea_popescu: are "core contributors" because people count patches
mircea_popescu: but nobody looks at WHAT THEY WERE.
mircea_popescu: astroturfing to the max.
mircea_popescu: so the guy prevented a politruk from getting his "contributions" count up.
jborkl: Well one of the core contributors for bitcoin flipped hamburgers not too long ago
decimation: right, but the guy wasn't an employee of joyent
mircea_popescu: which is a major problem, because the us nomenklatura is fighting real hard to get "scientific" credetnials.
asciilifeform: nobody looks at WHAT THEY WERE << nobody but a hatecriminal aha.
decimation: anyway, it's kinda like the retard version of the openbsd fork
mircea_popescu: AS IF the von flondor process won't see through that
mircea_popescu: (more likely, so when they get hanged by their own guts, the remainder, ever less numerous crowd of them can falsely claim that we're attaching "science"
mircea_popescu: instead of what it is - scum.)
jborkl: Mp, did you ever join the bitcoin foundation?
asciilifeform: intelligent, conscious tumours, ever in search of ways to embed deeper into healthy tissue (what little remains)
decimation: during the french revolution, plenty of scum pseudo-scientists ganged together to hang actual people
jborkl: Lol, joke
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they're just minimaxing.
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decimation: "Joyent raised venture capital for the first time in November 2009[42] from Intel and Dell.[43] Joyent's early institutional investors include El Dorado Ventures, Epic Ventures, Peter Thiel (Seed Round),[44] Intel Capital (Series A, B Rounds),[45] Greycroft Partners (Series A, B Rounds),[46] Liberty Global (Series B Round). In January, 2012, Joyent secured a new round of funding totalling $85 million from Weather Investment II,
decimation: Accelero Capital, and Telefónica Digital.[47] In October 2014, Joyent raised an additional $15 million in Series D funding from existing investors. [48]"
decimation: for the record
asciilifeform: '...empathy is a core engineering value—and that an engineer that has so little empathy as to not understand why the use of gendered pronouns is a concern almost certainly makes poor technical decisions as well.' << aryan physics is best physics!
decimation: asciilifeform: whoever the 'jews' are today, they better consider their parachutes now
mircea_popescu: dude empathy is exactly anti-engineering. it is emphatically NOT an engineering value
mircea_popescu: who the shit writes this idiocy. i want a name.
decimation: joyent's pr
cazalla: mircea_popescu, imagine if someone really was sent to do an interview lol
mircea_popescu: im gonna get the fucking records
mircea_popescu: that chick's fried.
mircea_popescu: cazalla meh, allow me to quote.
decimation: "Bryan Cantrill"
assbot: Don't Take Your Guns to Town - Johnny Cash & Willie Nelson - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1s3FV7Q )
mircea_popescu: he's some kid. nothing to nobody.
assbot: Management Team - Company - Joyent ... ( http://bit.ly/1s3G3Ea )
mircea_popescu: decimation nah, hewas like the cto
decimation: well, he put his name on top. master an man, etc
mircea_popescu: this is true.
mircea_popescu: ;;rate bryan cantrill to hang.
gribble: Error: 'cantrill' is not a valid integer.
mircea_popescu: no, it wouldn't be.
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mircea_popescu: "@KristianOellegaard this isn't an issue of breaking or following the rules, it's an issue of doing the right thing and common sense. This situation is about people, not code."
mircea_popescu: dude splendid.
mircea_popescu: hanging "progressives" is not a matter of law.
mircea_popescu: it is a matter of doing the right thing. it's about people, not code.
mircea_popescu: fire away.
undata: counts as a fetish too in my book.
mircea_popescu: how can you NOT like the real isis ? the fake isis (usus ?) is just as stupid, only much derpier.
undata: they're trying to pass this new "street tax" in Portland
decimation: at least isis is up front about their religion, instead of being all meta about it
undata: might as well nuke the whole state from orbit when better masters own it
assbot: Portland street tax: PERS exemption (Letters to the Editor) | OregonLive.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1s3HHG5 )
mircea_popescu: decimation but it's the same thing to a dot. "fuck the law, we do what we please". well...
mircea_popescu: at least rape and pillage if oyu're going that way.
undata: were isis dropped in the middle of portland they'd own it in a day
undata: it's a pussy-off here
undata: who can cry for which special interest the most convincingly
cazalla: undata, only way to be sure eh?
decimation: our age is awash in antinomianism
undata: and serves as an example
mircea_popescu: "In a text message, Novick continued that he believes $200 a month means less to people earning $500,000 a year than $12 per month for $50,000 earners."
mircea_popescu: this magical math you got going there.
mircea_popescu: is it at least ungendered ?
mircea_popescu: by now money is compared in the meta-terms of its "meaning" ?
mircea_popescu: can you buy money-meaning for your dollars ?
mircea_popescu: i want to trade this millionaire benjies for busker benjies please.
undata: you didn't build that money meaning.
undata: we all did
undata: mircea_popescu: ungendered << made me think of some sort of feminist reparations tax
mircea_popescu: ok, but i wanna buy it.
undata: surely they'll pass that in a few years
mircea_popescu: there's no point in holding on to plain dollars if on top of inflation of fact you'll also get inflaiton of meaning.
decimation: as long as he and his friends have a strong lock on the bezzlars funneled into sv, he is more than willing to throw his 'own tribe' under the bus in order to appear magnanimous
mircea_popescu: what sort of bond interest rate would cover my meaning inflation over here ? 25% ? 45% ?
undata emits a parse error
decimation: meanwhile back in unreality world the dollar just beat all the other fiat at the market today
decimation: apparently 'because' usg released data that indicated that some wages kinda went up, and some people might have been hired
mircea_popescu: lol im sure.
decimation: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 374.48, Best ask: 375.82, Bid-ask spread: 1.34000, Last trade: 375.84, 24 hour volume: 8384.72282528, 24 hour low: 365.72, 24 hour high: 377.89, 24 hour vwap: 372.683629618
mircea_popescu: it's funny how they're not even tryong here.
mircea_popescu: so defeated, so used to defeat...
mircea_popescu: stuck pretedning id un exist etc.
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assbot: Defiant Uber rideshare launches in Portland, with City Hall promising to 'throw the book' at drivers | OregonLive.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1s3Lao0 )
undata: sudden urge to go drive for uber just for the hell of it
mthreat: mircea_popescu: if starbucks coffee is any measure of inflation, it's been 60% from 1 year ago. My coffee went from 30 pesos to 48 since 1 year ago.
mthreat: (in argentina)
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asciilifeform finds it interesting that he has never before heard of joyent corp., nor knowingly used anything in their lineup
decimation: asciilifeform: they are the 'spiritual heirs' of solaris
decimation: most of the sunos people left oracle's lawnmower and went there
decimation: they are trying to be a 'cloud company' with a unique os - SmartOS
decimation: SmartOS is basically solaris
decimation: SmartOS is a SVR4 open-source hypervisor, based on the UNIX operating system which combines OpenSolaris technology with Linux's KVM virtualization.
asciilifeform: solaris was a perfectly-legit unix
asciilifeform: what did it have to do with these abortions
decimation: well, it was swallowed by oracle
decimation: the guts popped out, found vc funding
decimation: although like BSD, "solaris" is more of a spiritual matter now than a matter of a particular codebase
asciilifeform: 'On August 16, 2012, individuals who had provided start-up and development funding to Joyent (and its predecessor, TextDrive) in exchange for lifetime shared hosting accounts with Joyent were informed, via email, that their lifetime hosting accounts would be deleted on October 31, 2012' << lol! (pediwikia)
decimation: well, SJW's gotta sjw
mats_cd03: enjoy minimum wage earning undata
gernika: The post on bitcoin in Argentina reminds me of Bitcoin in berlin. There was supposed to be some thriving bitcoin scene in Kreuzberg. In fact when I went to visit there was a single crappy cafe with a cheap Bitcoin sign hanging in the window.
undata: it turns out all these citizen journalists are full of shit
gernika: The post on bitcoin in Argentina reminds me of Bitcoin in berlin. There was supposed to be some thriving bitcoin scene in Kreuzberg. In fact when I went to visit there was a single crappy cafe with a cheap Bitcoin sign hanging in the window.
gernika: Sorry about that
gernika: new IRC client, forgot to page down
asciilifeform: 'In January, 2012, Joyent secured a new round of funding totalling $85 million from Weather Investment II, Accelero Capital, and Telefónica Digital. In October 2014, Joyent raised an additional $15 million in Series D funding from existing investors.' << and immediately after, 'fuck you' to the 'crowdfunders.'
asciilifeform: not because they were broke, but because... they could ?
decimation: hehe yep. the names have been entered in the journal
asciilifeform: rite of passage?
undata: asciilifeform: statements are implicitly understood to be mostly bullshit in modern English
decimation: asciilifeform: doesn't it feel like a cargo cult around an os that was handed down by betters?
undata: hence "unlimited" data plan = 2 gigs
undata: and the gigs aren't even real gigs
asciilifeform: no surprise that the scam was a scam; surprising is the fact that it wound down precisely when it did
undata: plenty of lawyer money at that point
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asciilifeform: honouring the 'lifetime warranty' for all the chumps put together - would this even add up to the cost of one lawyer-week ?
decimation: asciilifeform: https://gigaom.com/2013/11/26/whats-up-with-joyent/ << apparently the are only marginally a business
assbot: What’s up with Joyent? — Tech News and Analysis ... ( http://bit.ly/1A2EFpO )
decimation: kinda like sun
decimation: and apparently they view the legacy of solaris as a great foundation to host ... server-side javascript
asciilifeform can't shake the feeling, reading this crud, that it was all an elaborate joke, and the punchline is to be read out soon
decimation: asciilifeform perhaps you could follow the fate of solaris as a re-invented platform for oracledb
asciilifeform: thing is, the degradation of computer industry was inevitable.
asciilifeform: read, for perhaps the first time, why:
asciilifeform: once the machines were no longer put to work solving actual problems, and just about the whole planet switched to 'solving' nonproblems,
asciilifeform: inevitably the mimics take over
asciilifeform: because mimicry is cheaper in all cases than the real thing.
decimation: that's an interesting view
decimation: 'actual problems' being things that are critical to eat, not be blown up, etc?
asciilifeform: reading for the first time about 'joyent', i couldn't help but wonder - what are these 'technologies' actually for? if they were erased from the good earth overnight, would i notice ?
decimation: somehow I guess there is a market for selling vms to folks
asciilifeform: where were they in 1970 and who was the poorer for it ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu had something written re: imbeciles thinking of 'meta' elevation as a kind of philosopher's stone
asciilifeform: i.e., that if we somehow do 'cloud' correctly, no one actually has to think about cpu and disk, these can live in some 'meta' heavens
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