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BingoBoingo: But... a *nix pacemaker still scares moar
asciilifeform: we all wear out. plastic or meat.
asciilifeform: but software - doesn't.
asciilifeform: it works - or not.
BingoBoingo: Code does what it is, without regard for the underlying
kakobrekla: you can skip the first option.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> like, your whole reich goes down << wouldn't it be grand to have a spec so people can use that to build their own compliant reference implementation?
asciilifeform: mod6: you can probably download most of the info necessary to build a vintage mercedes benz.
asciilifeform: will you build ?
asciilifeform: or 'tiger' tank.
asciilifeform: butbut... the spec's right here!
BingoBoingo: !s nuclear power
mod6: im pretty sure that im not smart enough for this conversation
assbot: Logged on 21-10-2014 00:36:11; asciilifeform: a datacenter that can't be diddled from a safe distance is also called 'a nuclear power'
mod6: what I mean is, if your worried about everyone running the same code, 'safety critical code' wouldn't it be good to have some diversity of systems, and decentralized
asciilifeform: diversity of systems << idiocy
asciilifeform: idiocy we suffer from as a consequence of having microshit on our planet
asciilifeform: like a gigantic black hole that warps spacetime around it into strange shapes.
mod6: you want to force people to use only one version of code?
mod6: including os?
asciilifeform: who forces you to use arabic numerals?
asciilifeform: you could use, for example, chinese ones
asciilifeform: why not?
asciilifeform: mod6: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=305 << my essay on subject
assbot: Loper OS » The Five Types of Technological Standard
mod6: i don't think the question is why, it's how.
asciilifeform: i'd like to aim for type no. 2 here.
asciilifeform: my point earlier was not that dr. evil should force everyone somehow to use similar $widget, but that the whole 'monoculture is bad' concept exists in the popular mind solely because of microshit.
mod6: do you think that all the root servers should use the same code & os?
asciilifeform: i don't much care about 'shoulds'
mod6: well, they dont, for good reason
asciilifeform: but that, if software is written correctly, it does not matter if an entire galaxy runs same.
asciilifeform: no one gets to pwn it
mod6: there is no correctly.
asciilifeform: because mathematically impossible.
mod6: there is only better or best.
kakobrekla: there is only non working code atm so stfu.
assbot: Logged on 29-10-2014 04:35:44; asciilifeform: 'suppose every program can be shortened by a line, and contains a bug. therefore all programs can be reduced to one line - which does not work.' - ???
asciilifeform: kakobrekla has it.
asciilifeform: except right now we've a few 10k of lines which do not work.
asciilifeform: room for improvement.
BingoBoingo wonders if Well written bitcoind compatible turd will be larger than blockchain itself
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: wat ?
asciilifeform: well written == operates correctly + fits in head.
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asciilifeform: not fits in head - ipso facto not well written
asciilifeform: regardless of what else it does.
BingoBoingo: I'm just thinking about the first, operates "correctly"
asciilifeform: incidentally
asciilifeform: until such is written, we will not actually know if bitcoin works.
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asciilifeform: therein lies the real chthonian ur-terror here.
BingoBoingo: Eh, all that mean is lite/dark coin is still moar fucked
asciilifeform: i can't guarantee that anyone will especially like the answer, if an answer were ever to appear.
asciilifeform: i should also point out that 'fits in head' does not mean yours and mine, necessarily. there are many different heads.
asciilifeform: back to above, the gods loving a joke, perhaps this is how we find out that p==np.
asciilifeform: but i digress.
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BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 343.8, vol: 14300.96413830 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 342.997, vol: 8307.59393 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 342.5, vol: 56448.03593215 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 341.950176, vol: 87619.21790000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 344.29, vol: 7.57445171 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 344.595249, vol: 88.37658032 | Volume-weighted last average: 342.348557744
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assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021818 B (Total: 477.11 B). Delta: -0.38 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.000195 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: "You misunderstand my goals. My goal with 0.5.3 is not to produce a high quality implementation of the bitcoin protocol from Satoshi’s work (people interested in such should take a dependency on software that’s actually rigorously tested like the Conformal codebase. Comparing the tests for *any* version of the Satoshi codebase with the Conformal implementation is like comparing the tests of a first-year Ruby web de
mircea_popescu: veloper using Selenium to exercise his hand-cobbled JavaScript to those of Netflix and their Chaos Gorilla), but to distill the reference implementation into something that can fit in a single human’s head and rip out braindamaged code-arson like the moronic “wallets” and their change behavior."
mircea_popescu: see, ben_vulpes is the right guy for the foundation job. clearly.
ben_vulpes: what no no don't say that
mircea_popescu: tis true nigga.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell pete_dushenski seems your blog ate out my coment. this is like rape.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes: also asciilifeform you want this to move at f1 speed
ben_vulpes: and we're working with a rusted model-t.
ben_vulpes: i appreciate your flair for the dramatic but lol chilllllll frere.
ben_vulpes: dear client
ben_vulpes: i understand that you've made commitments that your contract with us does not support.
ben_vulpes: here are your options:
ben_vulpes: a) let the contract terminate, accept our sw in its current state, shit your pants, blow your demo.
ben_vulpes: b) retain us through the demo day, and let us work with your technical team to do the best we can (all we've ever promised) to make you look good for your next big relationship.
ben_vulpes: c) retain us to do b) and also ship kickass native semantic apis on both platforms.
ben_vulpes: *shrug*
ben_vulpes: whatchagonnado.
mircea_popescu: dear client, here is our contract and here is our previous agreement. if you would like to modify either, please forward me the required modifications and i will send you the corresponding quote.
ben_vulpes: well, contract expires monday.
ben_vulpes: client is shitting pants and needs giving a way out.
ben_vulpes: i swear half what i do is herd cats and the other half is tell clients what the fuck to do.
mircea_popescu: yours is passive-aggrrssive whiny bullshit.
mircea_popescu: i'd can you just for that.
ben_vulpes: oh well there's a "here's what you should do" section as well.
mircea_popescu: then maybe leave just that and appear all friendzoned-and-happy-about-it
ben_vulpes: next time mebbe.
mircea_popescu: in any case the part you quoted is bad voodoo, and you know that's what it is.
ben_vulpes: that's not a quote.
ben_vulpes: that's a rant.
mircea_popescu: a then nm me
ben_vulpes: hahahahahahahahaha
ben_vulpes: i mean i'm a novice for sure
mircea_popescu: how the fuck is one to know lol, you come in here with your pseudoquotes and pseudocode and etc :D
ben_vulpes: i actually want these guys to do well. they've apparently fallen into an infinite buy wall for what they do.
mircea_popescu: so then be all dumpy naive, in the worst case they end up relying on you.
mircea_popescu: in the best case they're actually managed by sane people and you get paid.
ben_vulpes: i did get a sane guy on the phone today.
ben_vulpes: that was nice.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: mod6: idea was, blockchain, as potentially the majority user of future hdd space on planet, deserves own (ab initio) scheme of mapping to block device. <<< this is actually a solid point
ben_vulpes: dev anarchy over there, i tell you.
mircea_popescu: tho you know how this shit flows, people who are sane get talked over by various locally optimizing idiots who know better
mircea_popescu: then we end up with the engine misplaced for 150 fucking years.
ben_vulpes: <Luke-Jr> mircea_popescu: well, that's part of why the comment states upfront you'll just get banned first time if you screw with the order - I just noticed kakobrekla's name so decided it'd be better to talk to him here first instead :p << dig the power of the wot
ben_vulpes: wot > wiki
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes you're not about to blame a guy for being nice are you ?
ben_vulpes: it's culty.
ben_vulpes: not trustworthy.
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: How many customers deep does this go?
ben_vulpes: anti-wikitarian
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: someone cutting check for dev services.
ben_vulpes: checks, ideally.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: mod6: I prefer the term Stanix << as in "the dyslexic coder sold his soul to stanix" ?
BingoBoingo: Why not?
mircea_popescu: guess so huh.
BingoBoingo: I think the biggest MP endorsment of hardware b-a so far is how much less time spent at the keyboard happens now compared to timisoara
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: one of the things pretty much no one (save possibly mircea_popescu) << possibly eh ?
mircea_popescu: i'm writing you down in my little black book OF INSULTS
mircea_popescu: which incidentally is not all that little.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo wait wut ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Just seems in Buenos Aires you spend less time on the Keyboard than you did in Timisoara
mircea_popescu: well, the town is larger, fucking all the girls takes longer i guess.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: butbut... the spec's right here! <<< not terribly fair. the mercedes is not made out of coffee like code is.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: diversity of systems << idiocy << no dude. if bitcoin code all ran on the same platform that'd be pretty much the end.
ben_vulpes: <mats_cd03> mircea_popescu: i retched << wuss
mircea_popescu: gotta get the girls dirty now and again, best thing for 'em.
ben_vulpes: rolling in mud is good for everyone.
ben_vulpes: keeps the immune system from attacking itself.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: therein lies the real chthonian ur-terror here. <<< nah, we know it works. we just can't prove it to arbitrary standards yet.
ben_vulpes: oh lol you said "prove" in the context of software around asciilifeform
mircea_popescu: trust me, i know what i'm doing :D
mircea_popescu: "Selenium IDE is a Firefox plugin which records and plays back user interactions with the browser. "
mircea_popescu: fuck me sally. they got excel "macros" for firefox now ?
ben_vulpes: i've only ever seen the programmable stuff.
mircea_popescu: "the user is your only true enemy." ~ che guevara
ben_vulpes: mo users
ben_vulpes: mo problems
mircea_popescu: ok well this was fun, but where is today's log ?
ben_vulpes: ah wait he's not even around
mircea_popescu: what is this piddly 800 lines you bring before me ?
ben_vulpes wonders if anyone's running on the 0.5.3 testnet
BingoBoingo: What hardware B-A ran out of girls already?
mircea_popescu: nah, just lube.
BingoBoingo: ;;google 5 gallon surgical lube
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ben_vulpes: and with that, good night.
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cazalla: looks like it was quiet on the news front, i pissed off and spent half the day at the beach
cazalla: !up vextreegold
cazalla: up myself when i'm already up, amazing
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
cazalla: !up vextreegold
punkman: how was the water cazalla
cazalla: gotta get some beer so i can yell at the kids who dare come to my doorstep and ask trick or treat in australia
cazalla: punkman, really good, hot day here too but not many ladies around
cazalla: missus gave me a filthy look when i got back though
punkman: why the look?
cazalla: prob cause she has been stuck at home all day with bubs and she realised i'd been at the beach once i got home
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punkman: guys says he will offer non-cloud version
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cazalla: ouch baby, very ouch
davout: ouch
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cazalla: no drink november, it's 10:15pm on 31st october and i'm having some beers so this ensures i fail no drink november as of 12:01am november 1st
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cazalla: so i take a piss and it's all red and i'm thinking i knew it, i knew it, it's fucking cancer
cazalla: then i remember i made beetroot relish for tmw and ate a bunch of beets while cooking
cazalla: so ya know, it's probably not cancer
thickasthieves: <+mircea_popescu> it does look like pussy, jurov's phone... /// but it does resemble a uterus
chetty: <cazalla> so i take a piss and it's all red and i'm thinking i knew it, i knew it, it's fucking cancer// or ebola
cazalla: no ebola in australia
thickasthieves: um beets can make your piss red?
thickasthieves: i dunno....
thickasthieves: "This discolouration of the urine, to red or pink, after eating beets is called beeturia. It’s caused by the betalain pigments in the beets, breaking down and being excreted. The stomach acid and the flora of the gut play an important role in breaking down the pigments in food, so if they are low or compromised you may experience beeturia."
thickasthieves: fix yo acid
thickasthieves: "Add warming spices to your diet, such as cinnamon, ginger, cardamom, cumin, coriander, chili & fennel seed to help kick start the digestive fire."
thickasthieves: some great spices there
cazalla: it only went pink once it hit the water, not like it was a stream of red aids coming out
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thickasthieves: omg, the tview chat has up/downvoting on EVERY comment
thickasthieves: someone already made a downvoting bot in a few hours
thickasthieves: so all comments are greyed out automatically
TomServo: thickasthieves: ahah, wow that's awful. Way to fight the good fight though - more patience than I.
xanthyos: 10 btc freeroll on nitrogensports.eu starts in 63 minutes
xanthyos: wonder if the site will mysteriously go down in 62
kakobrekla: nigrogensports?
kakobrekla: aw its nitro.
thickasthieves: more beatings for btc then too
kakobrekla: dunno
chetty: <cazalla> it only went pink once it hit the water, not like it was a stream of red aids coming out//check with wife, this also happens with freshly cleaned toilets sometimes
thickasthieves: man gold really is getting slammed
thickasthieves: glad i never got back in
chetty: thickasthieves, I bet thats just paper tho, try and buy the actual stuff at those prices :P
kakobrekla: i can get it at spot here
kakobrekla: as much as i want
kakobrekla does not care for it
thickasthieves: chetty, gold is pretty available to a certain volume
thickasthieves: never tested it
thickasthieves: never will
chetty: never bought a ring for the wife?? :P
thickasthieves: thats not the same, but yes jewelers do usually trade gold
thickasthieves: i can probably buy $10k worth by driving 10m down the road
thickasthieves: of course i had a following out with the jeweler so maybe not
chetty: well I dun see much point in all the goldbugs, but I guess to each their own poison
thickasthieves: voting feature in tview chat removed
thickasthieves: didnt even last a day
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kakobrekla: how come?
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ben_vulpes: thickasthieves: "falling out"
mircea_popescu: hallo fellow cultists
TomServo hails the great leader.
xiando is monitoring this cult
mircea_popescu: TomServo you know, i'm too old for the cross bullshit.
mircea_popescu: jus' sayin'.
TomServo: cross bullshit?
mircea_popescu: btw, Auction of Souls is a must see, but preferably in the uncut version.
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TomServo: Well I have no crucifixion plans so, you're good.
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mircea_popescu: if one can read past the marauding sew he spwes.
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jurov: asciilifeform: in the raw device as database, how do you index utxo to verify incoming transactions?
jurov: you'll still have to steal some code from bdb or do your own
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TomServo: https://facebookcorewwwi.onion/ <-- el. oh. el. FB on tor.
jurov: upon further reading... so stan wants to make everything into own OS. ic.
kakobrekla: well if you are playing 'what stan wants' game you prolly end up with 100% mechanical implementation of bitcoind
mats_cd03: huhuhu
mike_c: stan just wanted a book :)
assbot: How to deal with pseudoscience ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> well if you are playing 'what stan wants' game you prolly end up with 100% mechanical implementation of bitcoind << some things stan wants stan gets, some other things he gets to want even harder!
kakobrekla: mike_c a _MECHANICAL_ book.
thickasthieves: rewrite all the things
mircea_popescu: a mechanical book wouldbe pretty cool actually
mike_c: hehe, yeah. a book that mines.
kakobrekla: you know - at least you are dealing with jus one broken stack, not layers upon layers.
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assbot: Book of Love page 1
asciilifeform somehow knew mircea_popescu would bring out -that- book
mircea_popescu: oglaf is the official cult comic.
mircea_popescu: someone should rewrite it.
assbot: Sex Manual
adlai: here's a new word for the scamtionary: "pre-enroll"
mircea_popescu: as in you've been preapproved ?
adlai: from https://pocket.digitalx.com/ which appears to be trying to position itself as an entry point for a new wave of... some demographic that I can't quite pinpoint
assbot: digitalX Pocket
mircea_popescu: "stupid people" ?
adlai: is this a payment processor? web wallet? "merchant portal"? whatever the fuck does that even mean?
adlai: oh well i guess i gotta pre-enroll to find out
mircea_popescu: WE ARE WORDS BECAUSE WORDS!
adlai: * Only paid upon verification of identity.
adlai still can't tell what the service does, other than pay you $10 for your identity
adlai: there's probably a nice little niche scamming these services
kakobrekla: you going to scam the scammer?
kakobrekla: go ahead and try.
adlai: in its logo, digitalx.com claims association with "digitalBTC"... wut
kakobrekla: adlai its a scam.
adlai: but i want my ten dollars!
kakobrekla: for that, you must refuse to do banana dance
kakobrekla did it.
mats_cd03: "Bitcoin accepted by Paypal"
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mircea_popescu: <adlai> there's probably a nice little niche scamming these services << and a good thing for that, too. if there weren't no parasites praying on parasites we'd be awash in 'em
kakobrekla: !s banana dance
kakobrekla: see adlai ^^
assbot: The Siphonaptera - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
asciilifeform: !s little fleas
kakobrekla: adlai its little fleas until you get to the turtles.
kakobrekla: or so i have been told.
adlai: up next, the long awaited sequel to Atlas Shrugged... "Turtle Dove"
asciilifeform: sequel 'atlas croaked'
asciilifeform always wanted to write it
jurov: <kakobrekla> you know - at least you are dealing with jus one broken stack, not layers upon layers. << you know, even newtonian mechanics themselves are just abstraction layer
asciilifeform: ;;google atlas shrug harder
gribble: The Infamous Brad - Atlas Shrugged 2: Shrug Harder - bradhicks: <http://bradhicks.livejournal.com/393124.html>; Going Galt - RationalWiki: <http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Going_Galt>; Atlas Shrugged: The Hidden Context of the Book and Film - David Brin: <http://www.davidbrin.com/aynrand.html>
asciilifeform: ^ infamous tr0l0l0l
mircea_popescu: jurov yes, but they're not broken.
mircea_popescu: imagine if newtonian mechanics leaked memory.
asciilifeform: !s bedrock
jurov: but they are broken
jurov: must account for friction, oxidation and whatnot
jurov: second law of thermodynamics describes these leaks pretty nicely
mircea_popescu: newtonian mechanics that leaked memory would be more like, suddenly you end up in a bubble of finite size that's diverged from the rest of the universe
asciilifeform remembers some rant (or was it a dream?) where 'dark matter' is universe-sim leaking memory
mircea_popescu: NOT anything like friction.
jurov: well, it leaks energy. so we went on to devise machines that would leak something else
asciilifeform: suddenly you end up in a bubble of finite size that's diverged from the rest of the universe << this featured in n. stephenson's mega-tale 'anathem'
jurov: instead
mircea_popescu: if you with some regularity could no longer find neither your girlfriend nor her house,
mircea_popescu: then you'd have a memory leaking situation
jurov: it does happen. how much stuff gets forgotten everty generation
assbot: Labyrinth Inhabitant Magazine
mircea_popescu: here's a funny point about "supported by history", especially when one means "history as selected by me" :
mircea_popescu: as human history presently stands, the reality of such memory loss is actually supported
mircea_popescu: say, atlantis went there.
jurov: theoretical wanking aside, we're still just beings living off thermodynamical gradients - thus fundamentally something must leak
mircea_popescu: jurov yes but, a register increasing is this sort of leak. you're saying we fundamentally can't live in an immutable world.
mircea_popescu: this is true
mircea_popescu: memory leak has nothing to do with this.
asciilifeform: second law of thermo exists. but it does not follow that we are required to piss in our pants.
asciilifeform: incidentally,
jurov: ^ you'll be lucky if that stays true in 40 years
assbot: Reversible computation :: Strange Paths
asciilifeform: (originally r. feynman)
adlai: asciilifeform: this labyrinth inhabitant thingy seems neat
asciilifeform: adlai: based on book
asciilifeform: adlai: a riotously entertaining book, as thickasthieves might attest
adlai: you mean anathem, or the "labyrinth inhabitant" concept?
asciilifeform: 'anathem'
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kakobrekla: <jurov> well, it leaks energy. so we went on to devise machines that would leak something else < what , computhas dont leak energy? thats new.
kakobrekla turns off 300rpm fans in his computah
kakobrekla has quit irc (ping timeout)
asciilifeform: (linked earlier) feynman did some entertaining gedankenexperimentation re: how much energy must one actually piss away in order to compute something
adlai: "ATLAS SHRUGGED royally sucks as a novel, with cardboard characters, rivers of contrived coincidence and dialogue made of macaroni http://www.davidbrin.com/aynrand.html#sthash.1W0F9hdP.dpuf
assbot: Atlas Shrugged: The Hidden Context of the Book and Film
asciilifeform: it's a perfectly serviceable women's pulp romance.
adlai: imo 'anthem' is much better, can be read in a single s(h)itting
asciilifeform: ('atlas.' once you know this, it bricks you in the face.)
asciilifeform: pet sayeth: 'best one i ever read!'
ben_vulpes: adlai: anathem? single shitting?
ben_vulpes: thou art a fast reader indeed.
adlai: 'anathem' ≠ 'anthem'
ben_vulpes: d;oh.
asciilifeform: not confuse 'anthem' (rand) with 'anathem' (stephenson)
asciilifeform: about as related as cats and sprats
ben_vulpes stands corrected.
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mircea_popescu: adlai it royally sucks as a "philosophy", or "economic theory", too.
kakobrekla: actually im still here, cause it works w/o the fans.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah, women are actually smarter than that.
adlai: kakobrekla: ping timeouts generally take more than 40 seconds...
kakobrekla: shutup
mircea_popescu: compare random paragraphs with random paragraphs culled off sandra brown, it'll be readily apparent in half hour
kakobrekla: adlai remember who brought you here !
adlai has seen [Lag: 172+] before
asciilifeform: !s sandra brown
asciilifeform: ^ error. not found in universe bubble.
mircea_popescu: whatever, pick any one of the chick pulp authors
asciilifeform: еггог
mircea_popescu basks in the glory of being an anthropologist, and therefore politically allowed and intellectually immune to the drawbacks of rooting through the human headshit pile
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu must go through many gas mask filters.
mircea_popescu: if i'm quirky, it's because all those chemicals in the filters.
adlai: kakobrekla: i also remember why you brought me, but still haven't heard any feedback from you
mircea_popescu: that;d be because he cnat raed
adlai: ("the code is shit" is valid feedback atm, i'm more interested in the ideas behind it)
adlai: it's lisp, text-to-speech can render it just fine!
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes asciilifeform others : here's an idea, can you make the official code also be a palindrome ?
asciilifeform: which code
mircea_popescu: that way nubsy doesn't need to worry which side is up.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know, the official bitcoin foundation official bitcoin core code.
mircea_popescu: official+^
mircea_popescu: ;;google c++ palindromes
gribble: c++ palindrome problem - C++ Forum - Cplusplus.com: <http://www.cplusplus.com/forum/beginner/29240/>; c++ - Check if a string is palindrome - Stack Overflow: <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8362572/check-if-a-string-is-palindrome>; Palindrome in String C++ - Stack Overflow: <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/18326015/palindrome-in-string-c>
asciilifeform: next mircea_popescu will ask for it to be a quine.
adlai: asciilifeform: you know what the shortest common lisp quine is?
asciilifeform: adlai: 't'
adlai: or -
asciilifeform: https://www.sparkfun.com/products/13186 (kudos to diametric) - too good to be true ?
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adlai: - is amazing, because CL actually has the concept of a quine programmed into it's specification
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adlai: AMAZING COMMONLISPITY!
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adlai slinks back to pythonland
mircea_popescu: it can't be a quine, it has to blockchain
mircea_popescu: http://www.contravex.com/2014/10/20/software-doesnt-fail-socialism-does/#comment-4247 << this is probably the ultimate example of socialist mind rot.
asciilifeform: don't argue with shannonizer. it never gets tired.
asciilifeform: like trying to scoop out the sea with a tea cup.
mircea_popescu: so his argument goes that well, ussr is not a good example of how socialism generates wealth because it wasn't rich enough to begin with, whereas china is very rich now, so maybe it will try sociaism, notwithstanding that the path it took to get rich is the same path everyone took o get rich, specifically antisocialism.
mircea_popescu: such fatlogic.
mircea_popescu: "To broadly claim that socialism fails without examining its proper context and its successes is academically lazy, and betrays a rigidly static view of ideology. Pure and simple."
undata: mircea_popescu: but you see, once you've generated excess you have enough forever.
mircea_popescu: "to say that you will never give us free shit is ~academically~ badword and rigid!!11"
mircea_popescu: holy shit already, people, start whipping your children.
mircea_popescu: undata totally.
asciilifeform: x fails << еггог - 'fails' takes $argument
mircea_popescu: the shit they come up with you know ? "to claim that there are no solutions to X equation is RIGID!!!11"
adlai: +mircea_popescu | it can't be a quine, it has to blockchain << who says those are contradictory?
mircea_popescu: why won';t you be moar flexible!11
adlai: any program can be a quine
undata: mircea_popescu: also socialist measures of economic growth are never lies
adlai: although the proof doesn't fit in the margin of this irc buffer
mircea_popescu: adlai its output is already specified, and the specification is incompatible with quine
undata: the chinese are on the brink of post-scarcity; you'll see
adlai: output ≠ behavior
adlai: it can dump its source code to stderr
mircea_popescu: wait, wut ?!
mircea_popescu: lol are you being flexible ?
mircea_popescu: copy of its source code ~as its only output~
adlai: they obviously didn't have turds in mind at the time
mircea_popescu: anyway, why is teh hydra chosen to attempt turning pete of all peeps anyway ?
mircea_popescu: is he like the only b-a jew or something ?
asciilifeform: for strict quinitude - yes, only possible output
adlai: we could define that the turd network doesn't count as output, since it's communication between computers and not output to the user
adlai: alternatively, it could modify its own code to include the blockchain
adlai: it can end with the blockchain in a comment, and then when it's outputting, it just keeps spitting out blocks
asciilifeform does not regard quines as particularly interesting, because they are only a real challenge in retarded programming systems
asciilifeform: quite like how rhyming is only a serious feat in badly broken human langs
adlai: what languages would you count as broken?
asciilifeform: english, for one
mircea_popescu: adlai> we could define that the turd network doesn't count as output, since it's communication between computers and not output to the user <<< reading this sort of shit makes my head bleed
asciilifeform hands new gas mask canister to mircea_popescu
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: why are we speaking a broken language? what forces have caused this?
asciilifeform: qwerty.
adlai typos in dvorak
thestringpuller: wow prolific
adlai: mircea_popescu: requirements like regulation must adapt to best protect the public's interests
chetty: <adlai> mircea_popescu: requirements like regulation must adapt to best protect the public's interests// whats 'the public'? Who would you protect? and from what?
asciilifeform: (not the literal qwerty, but the 'platonic' qwerty seen as the overall human failing where folks agree on buggy shit and then cement it in place through 'sunk cost')
adlai: the public, from itself!
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: this is why it is mind blowing.
chetty: <adlai> the public, from itself!//<<< opt out
adlai: by the people, of the people, for the people, from the people, against the people...
asciilifeform: ;;google once there was the people terror gave it birth
gribble: Poetry Lovers' Page - Rudyard Kipling: Macdonough's Song: <http://www.poetryloverspage.com/poets/kipling/macdonoughs_song.html>; Macdonough's Song. Rudyard Kipling. 1922. Verse: 1885-1918: <http://www.bartleby.com/364/318.html>; Once there was The People - Terror gave it birth - The Quotations ...: <http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/29843.html>
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undata: asciilifeform: beautiful.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> (not the literal qwerty, but the 'platonic' qwerty seen as the overall human failing where folks agree on buggy shit and then cement it in place through 'sunk cost') << fwiw i disagree with this assesment. english is broken because it's a commercial pigdin, language without a country. the old languages of yurp are actually fine, and to this day more powerful than any synthetic syntax.
mircea_popescu: yes, lisp included.
asciilifeform: pidgin - yes
assbot: How to deal with pseudoscience ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
jurov: <kakobrekla> what , computhas dont leak energy? thats new.<< no i meant we want to devise machines that simulate non-leaking evironment
asciilifeform: ('lisp' as properly defined is not a programming language, but merely a catalogue of avoided mistakes in the construction of a programming language. see: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=405 )
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asciilifeform: 'In most (though not all) cases, all a designer must do in order to implement an unfeature is to refrain from tying the user’s hands in a particular way.' - yours truly
mircea_popescu: not a bad approach.
assbot: How to deal with pseudoscience ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
asciilifeform: ^replied
mircea_popescu: discussion continues :)
jurov: ^replied
bounce: my isn't this an interesting irc conversation
asciilifeform: ^replied
mircea_popescu: similarly, both.
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adlai: mircea_popescu: have you seen any serious science done on these topics?
mircea_popescu: adlai which these ?
adlai: asciilifeform: who were the sinecures?
asciilifeform: adlai: 'xxxxx studies'
adlai: mircea_popescu: the topics which are studied by the pseudosciences which you dismiss
mircea_popescu: nothing notable, no.
mircea_popescu: the entire field is essentially predicating that marx,cCarnagey, ziggler, the incredible hulk et al are actually scientists, or to be taken seriously.
adlai: i'm not even sure how you'd go about doing such research in a real scientific manner... lots of noise in the signals
mircea_popescu: not so unlike the purely usian folly of taking life advice from movie stars, "since we like this we might also pretend this is good, or right, or whatever"
mircea_popescu: primitive transference.
mircea_popescu: adlai well, wovon, eh ?
mircea_popescu: not like you HAVE TO
BingoBoingo: the incredible hulk << Actually a scientist
adlai: !ud wovon
chetty: actually some that current stuff that calls itself science wouldn't be so bad, it just needs to stop pretending it is science
assbot: The problem of claims pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
thestringpuller: ;;ud wovon
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Wovon | ... Wovers Supporter. woverton · wove ya · Wovlz · Wovon · wow ...wow · W=OW · WOWA · WOWAA · wowabunga · WoWacholic · wowage ... Wovon isn't defined.
asciilifeform: the one inescapable fact about extraction of chemistry from thousand years of alchemy is that - it is done by chemists, rather than alchemists.
asciilifeform: extraction of astronomy from astrology - ditto.
chetty: but asciilifeform latest stuff is trying to put them back together
adlai: mircea_popescu: wovon << alongside silence, i'd say questions are also a valid response to ignorance
asciilifeform: i've spent most of a decade trying to extract some nugget of living matter from 'computer science'
asciilifeform: whence and whether this goes - cannot say
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform self-styled "regulators" love to whine pathetic about the "irresponsible risk seeking behaviours" of banks or whoever, conveniently omitting to mention that it's the disease of the system, it's what socialism necessarily breeds (through blindness), and that they themselves took some insane gambles. such as the 50 year "let's finance pseudoscience, who knows,\ maybe it pays off"
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mircea_popescu: adlai the point is that nothing forces you to speak on topics on which you have nothing to say
asciilifeform: no one wakes up and thinks 'today i will finance some pseudoscience.'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well no banker wakes up and thinks "today i will lose some money"
jurov: wtf is this nonsense. "chemist" label was applied only in hidsight
asciilifeform: jurov: that was the thought here
mircea_popescu: jurov yes. in hindsight. by people rejecting wholesale a 1000 years' pile of tradition.
jurov: they did not reject it
jurov: just extracted usable bits
jurov: plus, invented a scope
mircea_popescu: the moment they stopped trying to make gold, they rejected the search for gold.
asciilifeform: jurov: the (very fragile!) mechanism at work here is the process whereby the 'flies were separated from the cutlets'
mircea_popescu: it doesn't take some sort of official pronouncement, like the "chemistry foundation" of 1700 signed a statement that they "now hereby reject the heresy of alchemy"
mircea_popescu: just, as people stopped trying alchemy they rejected it, it's all therein contained.
asciilifeform: it is also worth thinking about what kind of cocks folks we regard as 'genuine article' had to suck, in their times, to stay fed. e.g., kepler's tours of duty as court astrologer.
asciilifeform wasn't bottle-buddies with kepler, cannot attest as to the degree of enthusiasm with which he sucked the cock
mircea_popescu: the word sinecure originates from this time, specifically the actual peasant sucking the cock's despising of the uncocksucky position of kepler.
asciilifeform met quite a few genuine thinkers, leaves of living matter in the great garbage disposal of u.s. academia. folks who spend 90+% of their time on 'grantmanship' while fully aware of the idiocy of the entire structure. but had no escape ticket.
chetty: sadly as long as people keep looking for a 'ticket' this will continue
asciilifeform: the machine is actually structured very well to avoid creating conscious malcontents. they happen anyway.
asciilifeform: chetty: hero - straight to sword. what should mathematicians eat ?
mircea_popescu: their wife.
asciilifeform: 'El coronel necesitó setenta y cinco años —los setenta y cinco años de su vida, minuto a minuto— para llegar a ese instante. Se sintió puro, explícito, invencible, en el momento de responder. — Mierda.'
undata: 100k can march in the street here and the rest do not take note
asciilifeform: ('El coronel no tiene quien le escriba.')
chetty: well it is sad, I don't have an answer, just recognize the problem, ...what will turn the herd?
asciilifeform: ^ catastrophically-badly specified engineering problem
asciilifeform: let's try a physical approach.
undata: americans can't communicate with each other well enough to solve any problems.
asciilifeform: what does it actually take, in terms of resources, to keep a mathematician going?
asciilifeform: and can this come out of some reasonably-sane mechanism
undata: asciilifeform: how about owning the means to produce one's own food
undata: and being left alone
asciilifeform: and can the meat go into the man's mouth before being caked with flies?
undata: that's what I'm aiming for
asciilifeform: what does it take to keep the flies off.
asciilifeform: stephenson's tale provided one answer.
asciilifeform: it was a fictional story, however, not an engineering recipe.
asciilifeform: (in fact, specifically implied that it took place on a planet with slightly less retarded inhabitants than this one)
mircea_popescu: <undata> americans can't communicate with each other well enough to solve any problems. << this is true actually. seriously, "dating guides" ?
undata: if anyone knew, it'd have been done
undata: asciilifeform: ^
mircea_popescu: "how to talk to women" ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> what does it actually take, in terms of resources, to keep a mathematician going? << food.
mircea_popescu: and yes. wife.
asciilifeform: undata: otto lilienfeld has a transistor in the '20s.
undata: mircea_popescu: "someday the right master will pour the right answers into my head. then I'll be great, you'll see"
asciilifeform: undata: 'knew' -> 'done' is not automatic.
undata: asciilifeform: "knew" without a viable process to get to whats "known" is not "known"
undata: but elaborate
asciilifeform: undata: just one specific example where devil is in the details.
undata: for sure
asciilifeform: !s coffin liner
undata: asciilifeform: seems like the opportunity to get it "done" only arises from time to time
undata: there needs to be at that time someone with the sense to lead and the means to offer something in exchange
assbot: Logged on 16-02-2014 00:31:00; asciilifeform: 2 yrs. ago i figured out how to flex a fairly ordinary multi-conductor cable in an arbitrary spot, at an arbitrary angle, purely electrically.
asciilifeform: i (and quite a few other folks) have a collection of own 'lilienfeld's transistors'
asciilifeform: not everybody even bothers to tell anyone.
asciilifeform: ars longa.
undata: it is likely having grown up here that gives me deep skepticism that things are ever "better"
undata: rather than just in a different shape
undata: glorious leader given the power to reshape society tends to turn it into a masturbation implement
undata: maybe that points to cultivating better fetishes? hah
undata: regardless I'm not the guy
mircea_popescu: <undata> it is likely having grown up here that gives me deep skepticism that things are ever "better" << the canonical form of this is, "it is unlikely for the tadpole that ever lived in the same one puddle to imagine what different puddle means"
undata: I just want to write code and grow food
mircea_popescu: which is why young men should go abroad.
asciilifeform: asking inventors to always 'independently wealthy' is like asking your computer to harvest all of its energy (and material to create additional parts) from the environment on its own accord. a 'would be nice' scenario, but there are good reasons why it is not practical. machines that can do this exist, they are called animals, and generally have their own problems that prompt people to invent less-general machin
undata: mircea_popescu: having gained means I will likely do many things I've never done
undata: for now I'll grind my life away
mircea_popescu: speaking of which : anyone want to hear retold the ancient japanese story of the turtle from kyoto and the turtle from osaka ?
undata: sure
mircea_popescu: an old turtle had lived for many years in a pond in kyoto. in the later days a new concubine introduced a habit of throwing strands of silk over the pond, which became fashionable,
asciilifeform: undata: glorious leader given the power... tends to turn it into a masturbation implement << straight to aristotle's 'politics' on what the pill here is.
mircea_popescu: but bothered the turtle, because it could no longer see the light of the soon or the moon, or the stars.
mircea_popescu: an old turtle had lived for many years in a pond in osaka. in the later days a new concubine introduced a habit of launching ever more bright felinars at night, which bothered its sleep.
mircea_popescu: eventually the turtle from kyoto had enough of this indignity, and securely tying a salad leaf to its carapace, proceeded on the road to osaka.
mircea_popescu: eventually the turtle from osaka had enough of this indignity, and securely tying a salad leaf to its carapace, proceeded on the road to kyoto.
mircea_popescu: after putting step after step for long enough they met at the midpoint of the road between kyoto and osaka.
mircea_popescu: they saluted each other, and soon realised each comes from the other's destination. so they naturally inquired
mircea_popescu: how is osaka like ?!
mircea_popescu: oh, terrible brother, just terrible. how about kyoto ?
mircea_popescu: just as terrible as well!
mircea_popescu: then, after a moment of reflection, they said their goodbies and parted ways
mircea_popescu: the turtle from osaka, back towards its pond, in osaka
mircea_popescu: and the turtle from kyoto, back towards its pond
mircea_popescu: in kyoto.
adlai: should've chatted over a beer rather than hurriedly yapping on the road
adlai: salutes have quite low information density
mircea_popescu: adlai there is no guarantee that turtle language includes space for more than "terrible"./
adlai: how terrible
mircea_popescu: you're generally not at liberty to rely on an infinite representational space.
asciilifeform: much shorter soviet version:
asciilifeform: 'a hedgehog marches in the fog, with a rifle.' 'not funny at all, but at least it's a tale about war!'
mircea_popescu: (to be perfectly fair the original japanese folk story doesn't have that explicit in there, but hey. posteriority separates and all that)
asciilifeform: explicit doesn't work for teaching.
asciilifeform: just as looking at a set of weights doesn't grow muscle.
undata: asciilifeform: depends, are you teaching a new language?
asciilifeform: undata: there, the implicit part is 'go reverse engineer'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: machines that can do this exist, they are called animals, and generally have their own problems that prompt people to invent less-general machines. << splendidly put.
asciilifeform: incidentally, this doesn't always work. witness the mindless regurgitators who shine in every academic chumpatron.
asciilifeform: 'inventor must be wealthy' works about as well as 'computer ought to be a cow.' wouldntitbenice.
undata: members of my family grow their own food, and do so without taking up their entire day
undata: I don't buy it.
asciilifeform: undata: what do they pay protection money with ?
undata: asciilifeform: the rest of their day
undata: there's the problem then, not the food
asciilifeform: 'food' in the abstract, in the sense of what is the total input required for the 'machine' (mr inventor) to function.
undata: we can make iPhones, but not reduce the work required to produce food?
undata: I'm watching people do it with crude processes
mircea_popescu: careful with those "We"s brother
mircea_popescu: lest i make you show me how you produce ipods.
mats_cd03: the work required to produce food _has_ been reduced
undata: surely you see what I'm driving at.
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03 then why don't you have any ?
undata: I know people with a greenhouse and a field that eat *very* well, better than I do.
mats_cd03: ~200mn chinese work the fields. ~12mn americans do the same task, afaik.
asciilifeform: thing is, food (per se) is presently a mostly free ride, for so long as petrochemistry keeps trucking.
mats_cd03: thanks, technology!
mircea_popescu: this is the quintesential broken approach. there's "food" as you're talking, there's "food" as he's talking.
mircea_popescu: these aren't the same.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but somehow the people who expect to be able to eat without being slaves also bitch at the people fighting for the oil requisite for that arrangement.
mats_cd03: i don't agree with this distinction
undata: "rulers will always want all of my time" ?
mircea_popescu: because ars longa, vision short-a.
asciilifeform: ahaha yes.
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mats_cd03: the food i consume has nutrition, and calories, and it sates the appetite. so far, my life expectancy has not changed in any way. how is it nto food?
undata declares himself confused
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03 it's not the whole story of food.
mats_cd03: we've been over this thing, where "americans don't eat real food"
mircea_popescu: the food your master chooses to dispense to you in exchange for scrip that master has given you n the first place
mats_cd03: sure. true story. doesn't mean "real food" isn't actually available.
undata: mats_cd03: wandering further from the mark
mircea_popescu: is obviously a dependency on the fucking master in question
asciilifeform: there is a reason why i say 'usaschwitz.' what's the actual problem, in most people's mind, with living in a concentration camp?
mircea_popescu: and if putin keeps hammering him in the head all over the middle east, your scrip may be as good as the confederate's.
undata: mircea_popescu: the master imposes the need to be fed by the master
undata: people fed themselves throughout history
undata: and before it
mircea_popescu: undata not so.
asciilifeform: or, rephrase: does it actually cost 2k usd/mo. to keep the box presently over my head standing? if not, who pockets the difference?
mircea_popescu: people, of the common kind, can only be fed by a master.
asciilifeform: and what units is it denominated in, in actuality.
undata: mircea_popescu: to say what of the people I know who feed themselves?
mircea_popescu: undata that they're momentarily realising gains out of externalised costs that haven't yet caught up with them.
mircea_popescu: once they get lynched by an angry mob you can say what you will,
mircea_popescu: for we're looking at the full story.
undata: mircea_popescu: where's the ruler then?
undata: and if he doesn't want them feeding themselves and working hard, what's he doing?
mircea_popescu: keeping the mob busy on reddit atm
undata: isn't this exactly my point?
mircea_popescu: i dunno.
asciilifeform: externalised costs << the entire story of government is - some folks staying warm by burning other folks' furniture (or dessicated carcasses.)
asciilifeform: see also, obligatory, j.c. scott, 'the art of not being governed.'
asciilifeform: or hell, kropotkin.
mats_cd03: i can't have this discussion strictly framed in metaphors and still understand what you're talking about
undata: mircea_popescu: I am suggesting that the people I'm describing are doing it right
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03 puncture one, we can go from there
mats_cd03: or rather, can't grok.
mircea_popescu: that's the point of metaphores, to keep getting punctured.
undata: and that the ruler might be wise to set conditions for their success, not the others
mircea_popescu: out of their dried skins reality is built
undata: lest we all eat corn byproducts and let our country burn
asciilifeform: the only thing inventor (artist, whoever) can do is argue to the arsonist that he'd be of more use as something other than firewood
mircea_popescu: undata surely, everyone who's alive is doing ~it~ right
undata: mircea_popescu: depends on what comes in the next frame
undata: they may just be incredibly shortsighted
mircea_popescu: so yes, i grant that too, that your guys are pretty well above most.
mircea_popescu: in terms of likely future frames.
mircea_popescu: but this alone is not nearly the strength of your previous statement.
asciilifeform: see also:
asciilifeform: ;;google you and the atomic bomb
gribble: George Orwell: You and the Atomic Bomb: <http://orwell.ru/library/articles/ABomb/english/e_abomb>; Orwell's 5 greatest essays: No. 4, "You and the Atomic Bomb" - Los ...: <http://articles.latimes.com/2013/nov/05/business/la-fi-mh-orwells-atomic-20131104>; Fifty Orwell Essays - Project Gutenberg Australia: <http://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks03/0300011h.html>
asciilifeform: (rules of engagement between the 'arsonist' and the 'firewood' are determined primarily by technological state of the art)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform since the iris young nitwit was mentioned, here's a q for you : how many maths or generally actual scientists you ever heard of that were full professors at 34 ?
asciilifeform: today? in usa?
mircea_popescu: or phd at 25 ?
asciilifeform: i know of none, anywhere.
mircea_popescu: well, she did it, somehow.
asciilifeform: and if there lives one, he's sitting on grant committees with the other zeks.
asciilifeform is glad that he was drummed out of academia
asciilifeform at least gets to go down fighting
undata acknowledges that a lot of people "doing it right" got smashed to pieces when the USSR collapsed as well
asciilifeform could point out that today's phd is not the same animal as james clerk maxwell's. but doubts that it needs saying.
undata: this goes to my earlier statement about good people eating bullets
undata: the US is just... done.
asciilifeform: he - 25, yes. but today, it just means you give 'good head.'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform combination of good head and good tits
mircea_popescu: it's not fully learnable.
asciilifeform: or the male equivalent.
asciilifeform not specialist.
mircea_popescu: actually the reason it can't be fully learnable has more to do with godel than with tits and ass.
asciilifeform: more predator/prey equilibrium
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undata: asciilifeform: today's american phd has the requisite psychology to thrive climbing ~25 years of bureaucracy
asciilifeform: starting from grade school.
undata: yep
asciilifeform: and not simply bureaucracy in the usual sense of the word.
undata: soul-crushing meaningless process
undata: the US public school system is a prison system
mircea_popescu: ;;google "in the attempt to make prison more like school, they made school more like prison"
gribble: New Orleans schools feel too much like prisons | The Hechinger ...: <http://hechingerreport.org/content/new-orleans-schools-feel-much-like-prisons_15964/>; The School-to-Prison Pipeline | Teaching Tolerance: <http://www.tolerance.org/magazine/number-43-spring-2013/school-to-prison>; Fact Sheet: How Bad Is the School-to-Prison Pipeline? | Tavis ... - PBS: (1 more message)
asciilifeform: 'prussian' schooling is not in itself fatal. plenty of worthwhile folks survived it. but requisite in 'survive' is 'escape.'
undata: mircea_popescu: the highschool in my home town was apty designed by a prison architect
undata: *aptly
mircea_popescu: fuck you google, that's the worst matching ever.
mircea_popescu: ;;google "under the guise of making prison more like school the reverse is of course accomplished."
gribble: Digging through archives yields gold pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/digging-through-archives-yields-gold>; Rehabilitation Facts, information, pictures | Encyclopedia.com ...: <http://www.encyclopedia.com/topic/Rehabilitation.aspx>; Top 10 Reagan Achievements | Human Events: <http://humanevents.com/2011/02/06/top-10-reagan-achievements/>
mircea_popescu: y u not know natural language!
undata: asciilifeform: to say nothing of its waste, though
asciilifeform: waste is a 2nd law invariant.
mircea_popescu: undata you can't waste the living.
undata: mircea_popescu: please elaborate.
mircea_popescu: if you don't eat a bit of lard, some rat will find it.
asciilifeform: 'sanitars of the forest' !
mircea_popescu: the proof that there was nothing there to waste in the first place is the simple fact of having been wasted.
undata: by what metrics would you like me to describe the failings of the american system?
asciilifeform: the concept of 'waste' requires a process goal.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but how do you measure the wastefullness of pointlessness ?
asciilifeform: e.g., if the objective is to fatten pigs, rather than rats, then yes - waste.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this requires inventing 'point.'
asciilifeform: the basic setting on the dial.
mircea_popescu: i suppose in a system without objective all is a waste, which reduces to what i said.
undata: "that which maximizes human growth and survival"
undata: is good
asciilifeform: precisely
asciilifeform: 'precisely' to mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: undata it's pretty good nonsense, yeah
undata: and that's strictly an opinion
asciilifeform: not to 'growth and survival'
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform too late :D
jurov: i'd rather like an answer that when current system finally fails due to bitcoin, will this get us rid of only the bad ideas?
asciilifeform uninterested in human biomass maximization
mircea_popescu: jurov definitely not.
undata: mircea_popescu: how is any other goal coherent absent that
undata: asciilifeform: that's not what I said
mircea_popescu: undata there is no goal possible in politics.
undata: maximizing biomass may not maximize survival
mircea_popescu: hence the entire "proceed from cause not towards goals" thing.
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
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undata: mircea_popescu: then why does every leader impose one?
undata: is that not his role?
jurov: i guess the surviving ideas and people will get selected cvasi randomly
mircea_popescu: only shitty "leaders" do.
jurov: thus the trilema's article is false
mircea_popescu: jurov no, not randomly.
jurov: how not?
asciilifeform: the basic 'job description' of the aristocrat is to specify 'point'
mircea_popescu: how so lol! wait, i'm proving the negative now ?
asciilifeform: i.e. 'where to live to'
jurov: there was pseudoscience before wwiii, there was not much less of it after
jurov: *wwii
jurov: perhaps, depending where you lived
undata: I'd enjoy clarification of the point that there are no goals in politics.
undata: goal implies end state?
asciilifeform: extant problem is not the overabundance of 'flies' (plenty of funded garbage in babylon as now) but the disappearance of 'cutlets'.
assbot: On The Superiority of Monarchy (or, adnotations to Why the Worst Get on Top) pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: specifically, "What fucking plans ? Why does the dictator have to absolutely have some sort of plans, aforethought ? Maybe he’s a dictator in the proper sense, because his group perceived him as worthy. He didn’t go to them, like an obnoxious lawyer spawn, with a list of whatever items are fashionable - promises, intentions, qualities, college degrees - to ask to be made a dictator and thus have the gaping void and
mircea_popescu: ontological fear of nothingness chewing away at his frail identity somehow resolved.x No, maybe they came to him, saying “look Cincinnatus, you are the best among us, and the best by so very far you must be our dictator” and he said “Maybe; we’ll see”. What plans did then Cincinnatus have, exactly ? That all men must assemble on the Camp of Mars ? And if they hadn’t, what exact moral impediment’d have th
mircea_popescu: at been for him ?"
jurov: well, chtuhlhu would certainly be "perceived as worthy"
mircea_popescu: by some.
jurov: would he promote rationa thought?
mircea_popescu: (ie, the chtulhy cult)
asciilifeform: the disappearance of the aristicrat (fellow who is bred to the task of 'deciding where to live to') is the basic boojum
asciilifeform: everybody with half a neuron (aristotle to mr moldbug) groks this
jurov: not by some. by everyone by order. that's definition of dictatorship.
mircea_popescu: jurov not so. the definition of dictatorship is merely "he whose word makes truth"
jurov: example?
thestringpuller: jurov: well, chtuhlhu would certainly be "perceived as worthy" << unless someone like Cartman befriends him.
mircea_popescu: cincinnatus says "all men must gather on the camp of mars" and now all men in actual fact must so gather.
asciilifeform: what modern folks think of as 'dictator' is really, (psychiatric observation) the name given to a fellow who tries to do the job of aristocrat without having been bred for the task (as in a woman who thinks she can fill in for a milk cow)
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mircea_popescu: thickasthieves was on qntra earlier
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform quite so. some women manage admirably.
asciilifeform: but observe, no human dairy farms. (perhaps a mere engineering problem!)
mircea_popescu: (if we're to trust the usual US statistics and general scientific consensus, which is to say comic books)
mircea_popescu: ;;google woman milking farm
gribble: Picturing Women Farmers - Modern Farmer: <http://modernfarmer.com/2014/05/picturing-women-farmers/>; Success story of a diary farming by Women : Sweety Diary Farm ...: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJ9Uw15lqz0>; At our farm - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABuqHmyDxG0>
jurov: "all men must gather on the camp of mars" and now all men in actual fact must so gather. << okay, but to return to the topic, how this advances rational thought?
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mircea_popescu: jurov the dictator's a political institution, not a gnoseological tool.
jurov: oh that was an answer to undata
mircea_popescu: hmm can't find it now, but ayway, there's an entire wank niche dedicated to woman-to-cow transformations, woman-dairy farms etc.
asciilifeform unsurprised
mircea_popescu: about as good science as krugman's economics or obama's peace.
mircea_popescu: "makes me warm inside" criterion.
assbot: Fountain of Doubt
assbot: Re: Engineering Envy [was: Re: CL and UML] - Naggum cll archive
asciilifeform: ^ for anyone still awake
assbot: Fountain of Death
undata: mircea_popescu: in reading your article, it seems that one of the disconnects in the above has been that I perceive certain kinds of conflict wasteful which you do not.
mircea_popescu: well, the problem with "wasteful" is you gotta specify more about the situation than you can.
undata: mircea_popescu: being that I'm not the one setting goals for the society
mircea_popescu: has all the spunk that hasn't filled a vagina been wasted ? how about that's not been swallowed ? rubbed on tits ?
mircea_popescu: what is this waste you speak of.
undata: in my particular, engineers who rot in the halls of googles and facebooks, I think
mircea_popescu: you don't like the ulterior effects of socialism, but you do like some of the premises, such as "X for all", as in, "a future for all", "a chance for all" etc.
mircea_popescu: well... whence this bonanza ?
undata: no, I don't. it's not socialism for my family to feed itself
mircea_popescu: to try to.
undata: but I can see that I've used some of their terms to describe how I feel about it
mircea_popescu: so does everyone, what, you think kaybosh hungerlice of kenya isn't trying ?
mircea_popescu: he's trying alright.
undata: so my family feeds itself because it presently can, which indicates nothing about whether that fact is due to their own action
undata: I can buy that.
mircea_popescu: im not going as far.
mircea_popescu: you presently are able to feed yourself, which indicates nothing about whether you OUGHT TO be so able.
undata: I think I'm just arguing for more robust citizens
undata: ah
undata: what is the benefit of weakened citizens?
mircea_popescu: because never an is and an ought shall kiss.
mircea_popescu: benefit to whom ?
undata: well hell, I don
undata: t know
undata: haha
mircea_popescu: so then that's your answer :)
undata: mircea_popescu: when you get used to masters which withold food, don't you dream of otherwise?
mircea_popescu: my dreams are not comprehensible in human language.
mircea_popescu: anyway, any frustrated desire is as entitled as any other. once it satisfies itself so it's no longer a desire it will have gained its rightful death.
undata: given the task to deliver, does it help the trucker's delivery to have only enough gas to arrive at his destination
undata: and if the man who designates the quota miscalulated, the load is lost
mircea_popescu: well maybe, sue.
undata: mircea_popescu: and then the truckers get tired of losing loads and we lose generations instead
mircea_popescu: well, "lose"
mircea_popescu: the 2000-2010 generation of usians isn't anymore lost than the 1500-1510 generation of usians
mircea_popescu: who mostly got eaten by wolves or w/e, or the 1000-1010 generation, that didn't even exist.
mircea_popescu: whence this expectation to be important and matter anyway ?
undata: everyone wants what he wants
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undata: I'd rather not matter to anyone.
mircea_popescu: so then what do you care about "wasted" generations whatever that may mean.
undata: lets say there's a comet heading for us
undata: and lets say the guy that knew how to stop it shot himself 10 years ago because he could not find a use
undata: the ruler should be a search function identifying merit and putting it to work
mircea_popescu: listen, you were here earlier when rand was being put down for being verbose, pointlessly so.
undata: above, masturbation implement
mircea_popescu: there's very little economy in your fiction, not just this present comet thing, but the previous thing with the truck. such wasteful abuse of literary means.
mircea_popescu: art comes from economy.
mircea_popescu: so, you're asking me to believe that the guy was going to stop the comet with his cock ? or how exactly did he get to be the ONE ?
mircea_popescu: is this a comic book ?
BingoBoingo: Maybe?
mircea_popescu: there's a reason i quote shakespeare rather than rand.
BingoBoingo: Comet Stopping Cock might be a decent flick
undata: rulers which don't care about the lives of their underlings eventually burn
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i think the orgasm subtext in "comet" needs moar usage tho.
mircea_popescu: undata all rulers eventually burn. and all underlings, too.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well a good story needs an antagonist, in this case the Comet Cummer
mircea_popescu: this earth-and-heaven xtianity thing... it really got people enthralled did it.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo why not "the coming of the comet"
BingoBoingo: Seems that way
mircea_popescu: ;;google "above you only sky"
gribble: Above Us Only Sky: <http://aboveusonlysky.net/>; Above Us Only Sky Bar & Bungalows (Sihanoukville, Cambodia ...: <http://www.tripadvisor.com/Hotel_Review-g325573-d1639256-Reviews-Above_Us_Only_Sky_Bar_Bungalows-Sihanoukville_Sihanoukville_Province.html>; Above Us Only Sky in SihanoukVille, Cambodia. - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLBE5ycN_Tk>
undata: and no possessions too?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo why not "the coming of the comet" << I'm thinking a series of comets head towards earth, they were uncharted. Astronauts go to find the source and it's jsut a masturbating space giant. They have to fuck it and make it a pocket pussy so it stops endangering worlds with its seed
mircea_popescu: he gets things half right, it's how teh sews work.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo sounds like a decent "lsd/pot stories" series.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well... kina how B movies make their bread
thestringpuller: Random and off topic. Pierre_Rochard was telling me about a country whose economy was riddle with Ponzi Schemes to the point real businesses were losing value because the ponzi's outnumbered the real businesses. I think it's Albania http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyramid_schemes_in_Albania Maybe someone can help shed more light as he didn't know what the country was at the time.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller this was actually amply discussed in here, a while back.
thestringpuller: is it albania?
undata: mircea_popescu: 'we all die someday' was not what I was saying
thestringpuller: !s Albania scheme
undata: what we do before we die is what's relevant
thestringpuller: !s Albania pyramid scheme
assbot: 0 results for 'Albania pyramid scheme' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=Albania+pyramid+scheme
thestringpuller: !s Albania ponzi
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller yeah it is.
thestringpuller: i'll dig into logs. thanks mp
undata: should the ruler not care about the continued breathing of the peasants, the peasants are best off making themselves as useless a burden to him as possible
undata: that's where that antagonism ends up
undata: or... "if you do not make me an offer worth taking, I will work for someone else"
undata: absent the socialist subsidy of failure this works fine
asciilifeform: there has to be a 'someone else.'
asciilifeform: !s pepsi
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller http://pastebin.com/YVTBA8fV quick grep
assbot: 2014 Feb 28 08:55:06 <mircea_popescu>diametric: the latest trend is that Mar - Pastebin.com
undata: asciilifeform: there are myriad other producers of the same syrupy garbage
undata: I can walk to one that makes their own in two blocks
asciilifeform: undata: nah. pepsi in the sense of kingdoms to defect to.
undata: pepsi isn't the king
asciilifeform: and a sufficiently porous fence.
undata: and shouldn't be
undata: the ruler should be setting the conditions for an operating market and then letting it run
undata: and should in that sense is "it is in the interest of the subjects to light themselves on fire otherwise"
asciilifeform: undata: 'pepsi' in the sense of an alternative to 'coke', which, in the lack of alternative, turns into 'usg soda'
undata: rulers die, do they not?
undata: it's the building that remains
undata: what beyond contract inforcement and defense does one want out of a government?
asciilifeform: e.g., pre-unification italy, where if you were stuck under a ruler who isn't fond of trigonometry, you could walk to the domain of another who is - and will hold your pursuers off by force of arms, if he's an aficionado of your work
undata: asciilifeform: I find it hard to not use that example to support my point of view
asciilifeform: see the life of, e.g., leon theremin, to see that this does not always work as planned - but it is still the only thing that works.
asciilifeform: if there were a 'pepsi' alternative to usg, folks who can make any claim at value would be defecting in droves.
asciilifeform: ('usg' here should be read as the entire nato blok.)
undata: so there should be many small militaries constantly warring?
undata: that's the stupidist thing I've heard today.
undata: sounds like a great way to make militarism the only thing practiced.
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undata: half the planet irradiated for the glory of the leader
undata: you end up with the best leader and nothing to lead.
adlai: best military* leader
undata: adlai: half in here imagine themselves a mongol as they sit hunched over a keyboard
adlai is more troglodyte than mongol
undata would be headed thataway in a firefly class vessel were it 200yrs later
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mats_cd03: this business of wanting is what got us into this mess in the first place
jurov: X-BT goes with altcoin
mats_cd03: letting that kind of talk run its course is how you get socialism. everybody wants, everybody gets.
jurov: just got email it's closing
mats_cd03: assuming world peace is the rightful, desirable end state is kind of silly
Apocalyptic: was no point running it any longer
jurov: you did not offer it for sale?
Apocalyptic: it's probably not worth much as is
asciilifeform: irradiated for the glory of the leader << funny how this happened to exactly no one back when 'small militaries constantly warring' was a thing.
BingoBoingo: qntra.net/2014/10/bitreserve-holds-your-bitcoins-as-fiat/ from thestringpuller
asciilifeform: BTC Guild Shutting Down, May be Sold << say hello to usg's brand-spanking-new mining pool reserve.
kakobrekla: its its size marginal ?
mircea_popescu: incidentally, i invented a new collective noun
mircea_popescu: a SCAM of words.
jurov: Apocalyptic: too busy outside btc?
Apocalyptic: yeah, that's the main reason, the ATC trading was the only thing that kept me running it lately
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> if there were a 'pepsi' alternative to usg, folks who can make any claim at value would be defecting in droves. << there is, they aren't.
mircea_popescu: not in droves anyway.
mircea_popescu: perhaps because never has it been the case that value and droves met.
mircea_popescu: well nice of you to have accomodated Apocalyptic
mircea_popescu: ;;rated Apocalyptic
gribble: You rated user Apocalyptic on Fri Feb 14 01:37:20 2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: x-bt.com etc.
mircea_popescu: ;;rate Apocalyptic 2 ex-x-bt.com
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user Apocalyptic has changed from 1 to 2.
mircea_popescu: <undata> half the planet irradiated for the glory of the leader << you confuse warring kingdoms with warring democracies.
mircea_popescu: this is like saying you don't like fishing because you've been in a hurricane once.
Apocalyptic: thank you guys for having given it a shot, was a nice experience
mircea_popescu: <mats_cd03> assuming world peace is the rightful, desirable end state is kind of silly << it's just another way to assume "immutability", because limited intellect aka ars longa, vita brevis.
mircea_popescu: irl, the resilient bridges are not the rigidly immobile ones.
thestringpuller: Apocalyptic: very sad. where will we trade ATC nao?
mircea_popescu: which is exactly why "life is a war" at all levels.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo x-bt qntra article pls ? there's precious few clean closures in the space,
mircea_popescu: and i very much doubt any of the bezzle-powered "entrepreneurs" will ever manage one.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo x-bt qntra article pls ? there's precious few clean closures in the space, << Will do.
xanthyos: !up RetroUpriser
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atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 469547.73 Est. Next Diff: 268301.76 in 869 blocks (#48384) Est. % Change: -42.86
mircea_popescu: "Or perhaps they did that stupid human trick that never fails: If you have excess funds, procreate until you no longer have excess funds, then share the funds equally until you all die." << naggum clearly "does not understand how the world works", and what everyone's "rights" are and so on.
[]bot: Bet created: "Eric Frein to receive death sentence" http://bitbet.us/bet/1061/
mircea_popescu: for the record, that "stupid human trick" is exactly how selection works.
Apocalyptic: BingoBoingo, check your PM, if you didn't
jurov: BingoBoingo: wait i don't see my litecoins yet :D
jurov: hafta resync first
RetroUpriser: ;;everify birdman freenode:#bitcoin-otc:58ca0dddae4daaab73388a8682c74fb02dcf69b079532108f6a11872
gribble: (everify <otp>) -- Verify the latest encrypt-authentication request by providing your decrypted one-time password. If verified, you'll be authenticated for the duration of the bot's or your IRC session on channel (whichever is shorter).
mircea_popescu: RetroUpriser no "birdman"
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jurov: BingoBoingo: they arrived, i can say x-bt shut down cleanly
jurov: except for some 27 satoshi.. but Apocalyptic can have a ..er.. glass of water for them
mircea_popescu: maybe a pipette
jurov: Apocalyptic: *bitcoin* satoshi
jurov: wait, can i buy half of altcoin and withdraw?
Apocalyptic: haha, probably not
Apocalyptic: min order is 300 btc satoshi of value
jurov: :'(
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: These things come out mid-November http://bitbet.us/bet/882/giancarlo-stanton-wins-nl-mvp/
assbot: BitBet - Giancarlo Stanton wins NL MVP :: 0.08 B (35%) on Yes, 0.15 B (65%) on No | closed 2 months 1 day ago
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: ^
mircea_popescu: dude i'm so motherfucking banning bs sport bets...
mircea_popescu: here's 5 gb worth of randomly idiotic rules nobody cares about, police all that and you may earn 27 satoshi!
assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/21VKKFJ.txt )
mircea_popescu: http://oglaf.com/sermon/ << can we have this cult ?
assbot: Sermon
Apocalyptic: ident BingoBoingo
BingoBoingo: ;;ident
gribble: Nick 'BingoBoingo', with hostmask 'BingoBoingo!~BingoBoin@unaffiliated/bingoboingo', is identified as user 'BingoBoingo', with GPG key id 309BB8D7F3251143, key fingerprint ADD7A9A28F85E5EF1F51904F309BB8D7F3251143, and bitcoin address None
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo thanks for pointing that out btw, hadn't been paid yet so salvageable.
mircea_popescu: you got in jit.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: You're welcome
mircea_popescu: http://pastebin.com/0ffY3c8K << mod sentiment barometer.
assbot: i'm trying to find where i got the resolution source. there were at least two. o - Pastebin.com
BingoBoingo: Well it will be over soon. I don't think after November there will be many post-World Cup sports bets left.
mircea_popescu: just the fucking inanity of it. i have no idea how those imbeciles think they're managing their franchise
mircea_popescu: but i tell you, when you can't tell a mvp from a fake vietnamese boot the whole thing's dead in the water.
BingoBoingo: Still not as fucked as the original submitter's time frame for resolving it... A month before the season ends.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://oglaf.com/obituator/ << re "crazy shit stick on all sides of rifle"
assbot: The Obituator
cazalla: chetty: <cazalla> it only went pink once it hit the water, not like it was a stream of red aids coming out//check with wife, this also happens with freshly cleaned toilets sometimes <<< she cleans? this is news to me
assbot: Sanctuary
mircea_popescu: i mean cuntry.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla feature request : i
mircea_popescu: 'd like a "day" name as a single line between the "home | log | search | bash | stats | wiki" and "prev/next" to be settable with an assbot command
mircea_popescu: so i can make today "Oglaf Appreciation Day"
assbot: A Pinecone
assbot: A Pinecone page 2
assbot: X-BT Exchange Shutting Down | Qntra.net
ben_vulpes: <mats_cd03> the food i consume has nutrition, and calories, and it sates the appetite. so far, my life expectancy has not changed in any way. << how wouldja know?
mircea_popescu: would make a great epitaph incidentally.
mircea_popescu: "through this, my life expectancy has not changed in any way"
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 327930 | Current Difficulty: 3.598564026507623E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 328607 | Next Difficulty In: 677 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 16 hours, 47 minutes, and 12 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 38947982793.2 | Estimated Percent Change: 8.23201
cazalla: BingoBoingo, added a read more tag to btc guild article
BingoBoingo: Ah missed it
jurov: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 336.71, Best ask: 337.87, Bid-ask spread: 1.16000, Last trade: 337.89, 24 hour volume: 7560.53173414, 24 hour low: 335.5, 24 hour high: 347.96, 24 hour vwap: 342.188350829
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla guessing!
BingoBoingo: headed off for the weekend, might pop on a few times before returning SUnday/Monday.
assbot: A6 Corporation | CrunchBase
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9250 @ 0.00073512 = 6.7999 BTC [+]
adlai: they should pivot to ASIC fab
adlai: +mircea_popescu | but i tell you, when you can't tell a mvp from a fake vietnamese boot the whole thing's dead in the water. << in high school, each year the MVP of the girl's field hockey team was... all the seniors on the field hockey team, together
mircea_popescu: im sure they grew up to be some pretty amazing, totally unskilled twats.
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
adlai: also, teams had two, three, even in some cases FOUR co-captains
adlai: it's scary to think that my high school classmates are now "grown up" and have real responsibilities in the world
mircea_popescu: they aren't and they don't.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, bbs
Apocalyptic: <thestringpuller> Apocalyptic: very sad. where will we trade ATC nao? // i guess you're back to OTC trading for some time, seeing how unsuccessful was thickasthieves to get other exchanges to list it
mats_cd03: ain't dead yet.
thestringpuller: http://i.imgur.com/HCwuYdx.jpg << bitcoin core developers in a meeting
assbot: AeroMobil 3.0 - official video - YouTube
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8400 @ 0.00073419 = 6.1672 BTC [-] {2}
thestringpuller: !up jacoblyles
thestringpuller: it's amazing how trick or treaters are declining cause parents don't let their children eat candy these days
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-10-2014#880285 << actually wasn't that close to what I was thinking of, but thanks for recommending the series
assbot: Logged on 17-10-2014 16:38:20; ThickAsThieves: adlai watch The Black Mirror ep 2
assbot: Poynt Smart Payment Terminal Accepts Bitcoin Payments | Qntra.net
mircea_popescu: !up someguy_1
someguy_1: greetings
ben_vulpes: how many dollars is a quarter of a bitcoin?
mircea_popescu: lol what still ?
mats_cd03: trick or treaters are declining because parents are afraid of kidnappings and razor blades in le candy
mircea_popescu: or because when food is supplied in the trough there's no point to social contact
mircea_popescu: i've never seen cows or sheep trick-or-treat either.
cazalla: mats_cd03, it's on the increase here, retailers want those sales
Pierre_Rochard: I’m curious to know what JSON-RPC will be replaced by? http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-10-2014#901505
assbot: Logged on 29-10-2014 04:46:15; asciilifeform: e.g., json rpc
thestringpuller: chetty still awake?
thestringpuller: Pierre_Rochard: Do people use that? It's really insecure as is.
Pierre_Rochard: thestringpuller: just used it to generate a bunch of public addresses. Is it insecure if you’re just using it on localhost?
mircea_popescu: Pierre_Rochard not really decided, maybe fcntl(O_NONBLOCK) / pipes sort of thing
Pierre_Rochard: mircea_popescu: I see. Doing things the unix way would be a nice change
thestringpuller: Pierre_Rochard: I've never run it with RPC remote on. I just feed it the commands from cmd line.
Pierre_Rochard: thestringpuller: ah, feeding the responses into a python script sped things up for me
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7051 @ 0.00073512 = 5.1833 BTC [+]
ben_vulpes: i picked up a cheap argentime malbec import
ben_vulpes is so excited
ben_vulpes: wistful, misses home-that-would-be
mircea_popescu: hehe you;'re young yet, and argentina's still going towards its prime.
mircea_popescu: dumbasses here still going on about how it's either "patria" or "financial groups"
ben_vulpes: i'll start the transfer process in earnest after the next round of food riots.
mircea_popescu: i dismissed a dumbass real estate agent earlier in the terms of "stupid bitch, i'm not a fucking tourist, i'm here to rape you not to be raped by you clueless worthless lot. get lost and come back when you've got that". she was genuinely surprised.
mircea_popescu: thought we're like, "professional" or something.
mircea_popescu: anyway, it'll be a year or two i guess.
ben_vulpes: in other news, the girl blew up the crockpot and lit the stove on fire today
mircea_popescu: so now only the dog gets to eat anymore ?
assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1Z0N1AR.txt )
mircea_popescu: i was going to send you a pack of biscuits, peanut for the dog, chocolate for the fox. none for you, ofcourse, as men don't need to eat. sadly thestringpuller doesn't seem ready to take orders still.
ben_vulpes: we'll sup on your good wishes.
ben_vulpes: hold fast there was photographic evidence
mircea_popescu: of my good wishes ? LIES!
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: neither does NSA. ;)
mircea_popescu: wow that was flame rated ?!
ben_vulpes: what do you mean by 'flame rated'?
mircea_popescu: well, recipients that resist heat can either be oven rated or flame rated, and generally what's safe to heatr in the oven is not safe to heat on a burner
ben_vulpes: oh so let's delve for aoment
ben_vulpes: crock pots are not rated for either oven or flame usage.
ben_vulpes: low-temp resistance heater is the story there
mircea_popescu: oh twas a slow cooker ?
ben_vulpes: lady love darling sweet BRILLIANT woman put this VERY THICK and also UNRATED CERAMIC object onto a no-limit resistive heater.
mircea_popescu: doesn't that come with a water thing ?
ben_vulpes: yes, it does.
mircea_popescu: i thought you were actually using high performance chemistry gear in the house. for some reason.
mircea_popescu: i dunno what reason that may be o.O
ben_vulpes: lol come now
ben_vulpes: this is the united states of america.
ben_vulpes: none of that is available.
ben_vulpes: and i divested myself of all the like years ago.
ben_vulpes: you know.
ben_vulpes: my fancy cooking equipment.
ben_vulpes: anweyas.
ben_vulpes: anywyas*
ben_vulpes: anyways*
ben_vulpes: this provided an excellent opportunity to shop this image around to everyone i know 'cause "lol thanks babe we all had a good laugh at that one"
ben_vulpes: and also a lesson in geometric heat distribution.
ben_vulpes: the problem was not actually that a non-rated object went on the burner, but that sweet love put a chicken leg into the hot oil and the local stresses exceeded the crystal's bond strength.
mircea_popescu: lol so wait, she made a hot oil kitchentop bomb ?
mircea_popescu: !s oil legs wife
mircea_popescu: dude no way it';s in the logs.
assbot: Logged on 13-10-2014 04:40:59; mircea_popescu: doctor spent like three hours extracting hot oil and glass shards from her crack and legs
mircea_popescu: ~~~ ben_vulpes:ain't no training going to fix that kind of stupid ~~~
mircea_popescu: nao what vulpsy.
mircea_popescu: materials physics can be taught
mircea_popescu: it's arid, but it can be done.
ben_vulpes: the worlds edge cases are numerous.
ben_vulpes: and yes they've been taught.
ben_vulpes: or perhaps more accurately, another edge case has been brought to light.
mircea_popescu: maybe you need stan to rewrite the os/proc designs/world
ben_vulpes: i'd liken this one to an iptables fuckup
ben_vulpes: whereas the "hot oil in cold dish" is more along the lines of sudo rm -rf /
ben_vulpes: "oops"
mircea_popescu: this is true.
mircea_popescu: also a matter of volume. casual handling of half a gallon of boiling oil != one chicken leg.
ben_vulpes: one bespeaks a fundamental failure to understand the mechanisms at play, the other a poor grasp of thermal inertia and the concept of localized heat stresses.
ben_vulpes: which to be fair to the poor art student, is a subtlety of the practice.
mircea_popescu: o wait, the original vulpe's an art student ?! what's she make ?
ben_vulpes: oh it goes fair deep
ben_vulpes: immediately after hs she ran the kids program at an art museum
mike_c: doh, x-bt going away?
ben_vulpes: then toured the states as a slam poet
ben_vulpes: blah blah blah, years pass
mircea_popescu: a.... slam poet ?!
ben_vulpes: lolya
ben_vulpes: food and bed paid for
mircea_popescu: dude is a female slam poet anything other than a hooker ?!
ben_vulpes: although how many beds were actually "paid" for is anyone's guess
mircea_popescu: i mean, isn't it just what hookers say to the cops, like the guy caught pissing in public pulls the bladder condition ?
ben_vulpes: girl's transpo and food and lodging was paid for by places
ben_vulpes: won some local competitions
ben_vulpes: not my field, so i can't really speak to any of it.
mircea_popescu: ;;ud transpo
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=OC%20Transpo | OC Transpo. A Ottawa bus service who is heartless and goes on stike right in the middle of xmas. To ruin all good times for every one and end the hopes of ...
ben_vulpes: transportation.
mircea_popescu: oh because you're... canadian ?!
mircea_popescu: aanyways! go on, this is turning into a fascinating tale.
ben_vulpes: what else
ben_vulpes: oh yeah
ben_vulpes: <ben_vulpes> blah blah blah, years pass
ben_vulpes: we meet in a nonfiction writing class
ben_vulpes: more years pass
mircea_popescu: why was she taking nonfiction ?
ben_vulpes: she comes to pdx to study some kind of "installation art" at the local bezzletron art school
ben_vulpes: same reason as i; to practice writing under someone with a cane
ben_vulpes: no wait that's wrong
ben_vulpes: she was there for credits
ben_vulpes: i was there for the cane
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes tell you what. tell the woman she's been served.
mircea_popescu: she shows up here, has a poetry slam with hannah, whichever wins gets a shiny bitcoin.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6262 @ 0.00073354 = 4.5934 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: you name a judge, i name a judge, they name a third judge and then they score them.
ben_vulpes: that chapter's more or less closed.
ben_vulpes: private performances etc.
ben_vulpes: private performances *only*.
mircea_popescu: you gotta replace the pot don';t you ?
ben_vulpes: lol crock ain't a 1btc affair
mircea_popescu: so buy a dozen.
ben_vulpes: ⥀.⥀
ben_vulpes: turdmeisters: what am i to do with tests? bitcoin 0.8+ has them in qa/rpc-tests
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform, mod6: ^^
ben_vulpes: (busted crock aside, the coq au vin is coming along nicely)
assbot: night of shame
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