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mthreat: mats_cd03: what kind of legal research are you doing?
mats_cd03: that related to your donation, mthreat
mthreat: which donation
assbot: So who’s running the Courts circus ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mthreat: mats_cd03: ok.. I asked because I did legal research and wrote briefs for 4 years.. maybe I can give some advice on legal research methods. Like using the West Key system,e tc
mats_cd03: i suspect i'm overlooking something simple, but i guess ill figure it out after i get through a few more judges
mats_cd03: i'd welcome any advice you have to offer
mthreat: first, it's been 15 years since I did this. I was in prison, so books only, no computers. But I'm 99% sure the west key systems is still teh same, it's just online now. (It was online then, actually, but I wasn't).
mthreat: so anyway, the west key system is a classification system. These days it's like 'tagging'. Each case is tagged with a set of "west keys", which are numbers that indicate what aspects of law the case relates to.
mats_cd03: i'm currently using westlaw, which is referenced to the west key system
mthreat: right. So let's say you have a case that is relevant to whatever topic you're researching, for example, search and seizure of a vehicle or something. At the start of the case, it lists all the west key items, and 1 or more of those will be for the search and seizure aspect.
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mthreat: You can then take taht west key number, and it cross-references other cases relating to that same issue.
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mthreat: not sure if this helps... maybe you already figured it out.
mats_cd03: my understanding of the digest system is shallow, and i've been hesitant to do any serious filtering in the event i miss something
mats_cd03: but it might be helpful for me to learn more about it, so i appreciate the advice
mthreat: are you in a city witha law school?
mthreat: if so, you can probably go by the law library of the school and ask the person behind the desk to help you learn how to research what you're trying to research.
pete_dushenski: nubbins`: ask an albertan what he thinks of a quebecer << albertans think that quacks have the super duperest most corrupt construction industry and the the highest taxes imaginable. both of these are true, but only relative to the rest of canada.
pete_dushenski: kakobrekla: so the 1.2k a month guy wont be coming back? << rip little dude.
pete_dushenski: kakobrekla: ah so we are measuring traffic now? whats next, installing windows on our servers? << next is paying people to write for qntra instead of assuming they gangsta like us ;)
pete_dushenski: actually, this raises a question i might've missed in the logs...
pete_dushenski: !s qntra pay
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell mircea_popescu are you paying the lovely folks over at qntra ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
pete_dushenski: or maybe it's just community service ?
cazalla: something like that but ya never know what these things might turn into
RagnarDanneskjol: i might be interested if you're considering sponsorship/investors cazalla
RagnarDanneskjol: not might, am
cazalla: not at this time, it's only 2 weeks old, maybe it dies tmw who knows
assbot: Monkey Meat and the Ebola Outbreak in Liberia - YouTube
assbot: The Fight Against Ebola (Full Length) - YouTube
cazalla: i love you ebolachan
assbot: Cure for Type 1 diabetes imminent after Harvard stem-cell breakthrough - Telegraph
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decimation: http://youtu.be/u88vMSbX_xA << lois lerner (the usg bureaucrat who targeted mostly conservative groups for 'preferential' tax auditing - now retired and making $100k per year from usg pension) was 'targeted' while walking her dogs in Bethesda. She tries to run into a neighbor's house to 'call the police' and 'hide' - the old man of the house shows up and instructs her to leave immediately
assbot: Lois Lerner tries busting into neighbor's home to evade questions - YouTube
decimation: I post this because I think it serves as a warning to usg bureaucrats - there may come a day when your 'successful career' might be seen in a very different light by your peasant neighbors.
gabriel_laddel: ;; google site: trilema.com what his unhappy life can teach us
gribble: Georg Ritter von Flondor, and what his unhappy life can teach us pe ...: <http://trilema.com/2014/georg-ritter-von-flondor-and-what-his-unhappy-life-can-teach-us/>; Leonard Cohen, and what his unhappy life can teach us pe Trilema ...: <http://trilema.com/leonard-cohen-and-what-his-unhappy-life-can-teach-us>; The peeconomy pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: (1 more message)
decimation: gabriel_laddel: indeed.
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decimation: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 360.7, Best ask: 360.82, Bid-ask spread: 0.12000, Last trade: 360.7, 24 hour volume: 7712.65743525, 24 hour low: 352.1, 24 hour high: 366.0, 24 hour vwap: 359.999133778
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cazalla: anyone ever heard of people buying fkn rattlesnakes from silk road type sites before?
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fluffypony: has this been discussed yet? http://i.imgur.com/VIhCwMO.jpg
fluffypony: by DanMAbraham
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RagnarDanneskjol: spkg of creative pursuits..
assbot: Asylum, Chapter One pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
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RagnarDanneskjol: [Bayesian regression and Bitcoin]
assbot: BitProperty by Joshua Fairfield :: SSRN
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cazalla: !s adbit
mircea_popescu: xanthyos: http://legalinsurrection.com/2014/10/cnn-panelist-we-cant-cut-flights-to-liberia-over-ebola-because-of-slavery/ << political correctness will be the end of us all. an avoidable plague will soon be upon us because of bureaucracy and cowardice <<< you know, it IS possible that a cnn "panelist" isn't the end all, be all font of truth and wisdom.
assbot: CNN| US can't cut flights to Liberia | Ebola | slavery
mircea_popescu: cazalla The book is available to purchase as a paperback via Amazon India or via Amazon Kindle << are those qntra's amazon links ? ie, you make comission ?
cazalla: it shouldn't have an affil code at all
mircea_popescu: well as a general policy, links to stuff like that (amazon, ebay, artist's own ecommerce site, etc) either hapen through an aff link and income is then reported or don't happen
gabriel_laddel: ;; google trilema.com polites
gribble: Pseudo-racism, faux sexism : the socialist verbal menagerie - Trilema: <http://trilema.com/pseudo-racism-faux-sexism-the-socialist-verbal-menagerie>; The sharp friar and the golden jew discuss your options pe Trilema ...: <http://trilema.com/2014/the-sharp-friar-and-the-golden-jew-discuss-your-options/>; Terms of Endearment pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: (1 more message)
cazalla: so you don't want me to link to amazon? i don't think it's worth the time to setup an affiliate code for qntra with amazon, might net $10 a year at best
mircea_popescu: well yeah, if it's not worth linking it's not worth linking.
cazalla: would it not be worth linking for the reader though?
mircea_popescu: that's a complicated discussion. maybe. on the other hand, plenty of people are put off by seeing amazon/ebay links, makes them mentally dioscount the whole page/site as "one of those"
mircea_popescu: even worse perhaps for bitcoiners, who aren't great fans of either, or what they stand for.
cazalla: which is why there is no affiliate code included with the link, i avoid the same shit
cazalla: general links is something i wanted to discuss anyway
mircea_popescu: i have no idea what their codes look like, i go by "is there anything past the address". in this case www.amazon.in/God-Gamer-Ravi-Subramanian-ebook/dp/B00MY74DJG << makes me think that's an affiliate code.
cazalla: nofollow everything? leave all links the same, nofollow anyone not in #b-a? which would be best
mircea_popescu: whether it is or it isn;t, people on the internet don't spend much time to reach a conclusion
mircea_popescu: i wouldn't really go that far. let them be, as long as they're worth linking they're worth linking.
mircea_popescu: it's just, there's the world wide web, whioch is a collection of text, and then there's the paypal-blergh, which is a collection of bs. linking to a blog/webpage is different from linking to an online shop
mircea_popescu: cazalla and fwiw, i see no problem promoting the ravi guy, if he makes a sale or two out of the feature even better, he's ok. but generally speaking.
cazalla: righto, i'll just dump anything that might be perceived as an aff link
cazalla: just so it's clear though, i have no intention of inserting aff codes to skim
mircea_popescu: that could be a legitimate revenue source for qntra, if it grows up a little.
mircea_popescu: not, obviously, publish for the links. but, plenty of people in the speaking business have books they're trying to push, it'll be pretty hard to keep them out as the site grows.
mircea_popescu: so a site acct may be the least evil solution to a dilemma. not much of a consideration until it's actually big.
cazalla: i'd rather just point the reader to the author's website and they can go from there than bother with amazon affill
mircea_popescu: yeah, also not a bad solution.
BingoBoingo: mats_cd03: If you have access to a law library the law librarians usually have JD's and may have some tricks from school. Otherwise it is a grind.
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mircea_popescu: mats_cd03 how are you proceeding anyway ? which keys are you reading ?
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03: my understanding of the digest system is shallow, and i've been hesitant to do any serious filtering in the event i miss something <<< in computers generally, understood as the php-machine (ie, text processing, the actual porn that drove early computing), this approach has proven flawed. it is more effectual and more efficient to make a set of filters that delivers *something* and then make more passes with
mircea_popescu: better filters. a braindamaged 1950s version of agile, if you wish.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski: ;;later tell mircea_popescu are you paying the lovely folks over at qntra ? << http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-10-2014#865961 whadda ya know, you did miss it in the logs :D
assbot: Logged on 09-10-2014 03:53:20; mircea_popescu: the reveal, late oct/early november
mircea_popescu: decimation: lois lerner was 'targeted' << interesting how meta that country is getting. so, sane people worry about being struck, usians worry about being "targeted" because it may stand for being struck ?
mircea_popescu: what's next ? cuz once started the meta train never ends.
mircea_popescu: cazalla: anyone ever heard of people buying fkn rattlesnakes from silk road type sites before? << yes, actually, i knew a derp raising pot and poisonous reptiles in romania. fortunately he had no idea what the web is, but otherwise, exactly what lanky ragaddy hair hippy you'd expect for the role.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: has this been discussed yet? http://i.imgur.com/VIhCwMO.jpg << lol! who's "moar"
BingoBoingo: moar is that DanMAbrahams guy
mircea_popescu: a it is ? so who's he ? what's he do ?
mircea_popescu: jesus i sound like fucking gaggi already.
mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol just discovered this http://trilema.com/2014/asylum-chapter-one/ << ha! so what did you think ?
assbot: Asylum, Chapter One pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
assbot: The Cargo Cultist, a Dialogue | Bingo Blog
BingoBoingo: He just kind of derps and wants to be famous
BingoBoingo: !s DanMAbraham
RagnarDanneskjol: i just got to the third chapter. rather interesting, nice atmosphere. can see a decent screenplay in there
mircea_popescu: o he's here i see
mircea_popescu: ;;seen moarrr
gribble: moarrr was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 8 weeks, 6 days, 16 hours, 49 minutes, and 53 seconds ago: <moarrr> BingoBoingo: nope
mircea_popescu: ;;rate moarrr 1 Guy's black and he drew me on a blackboard. In white chalk. http://i.imgur.com/VIhCwMO.jpg
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user moarrr has been recorded.
mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol yeah, it was optioned at some point but it never came to anything.
RagnarDanneskjol: nice. I'll point it to some hollywood guys I know, might have legs
mircea_popescu: im pretty sure it expired by now anyway, it was a 2004 run. so go right ahead.
mircea_popescu: prolly will need some fixing tho.
RagnarDanneskjol: oh that old wow
mircea_popescu: well yes lol, i'm not 16.
RagnarDanneskjol: i think youre the same age as me exactly
mircea_popescu: i think we're all the same age exactly
mircea_popescu: THE AGE OF REASON, MOFO!
mircea_popescu: so cash went "On a Sunday morning sidewalk, I'm wishing, Lord, that I was stoned. 'Cause there's something in a Sunday that makes the body feel alone. And there's nothing short a' dying that's half as lonesome as the sound of the sleeping city sidewalk and Sunday morning coming down."
mircea_popescu: obviously about mobile or whatever other repugnant old dixie hellhole he normally inhabited
mircea_popescu: but i tell you he coulda said it about buenos aires, comuna 1 just as well
mircea_popescu: it looks postapocalyptic out there.
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mircea_popescu: cazalla "wherein transactions may may be credited for amounts far greater than the actual amount"
mircea_popescu: o look at that shit! "A network-wide weakness in how both Ripple and Stellar communicated transactions was exploited by an unknown third-party to to deposit false IOUs through Ripple/Stellar"
assbot: RIPple, the definitive discussion. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: mp : "Fatal congenital defect #1. Ripple requires any participant to trust other participants blindly." ; derps "oh mp you don't understand how it works!11"
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assbot: Virtual Currency Trading Wars: Bitcoin Versus Ripple XRP
mircea_popescu: "After 30+ hours of research and numerous meetings on the topic, we finally feel we have a strong understanding of Ripple and its place in the financial world versus Bitcoin."
mircea_popescu: apparently, 30+ hours of research and "numerous meetings" are not sufficient grounding for an informed opinion.
BingoBoingo: In the long run it seems qntra is going to end up reporting on a lot of Trilema predictions being realized
mircea_popescu: i guess the original lulz, "3 years' experience" has meanwhile morphed into "30+ hours' research" ? what's next ?
mircea_popescu: "Jaron Lukasiewicz is the CEO and Founder of Coinsetter, a New York City-based company that offers a high performance ECN trading platform and exchange for bitcoin."
mircea_popescu: way to fuck up, jaron.
RagnarDanneskjol: I know him, nice kid - still reefuses to see the light, been trying to get him on WoT for years... i recall mpoepr also had a nice exchange with him on the forum years back when he announced coinsetter
mircea_popescu: so what's his problem ?
mircea_popescu: other than 30 hours' research that is.
RagnarDanneskjol: too much venture cash, not enough time to burn it
mircea_popescu: very sad way to spend a youth.
mircea_popescu: i mean they don't get it, because at 29 it seems like it's forever.
mircea_popescu: i know numerous such wrecks, trying to make ends meet at 40something, after having run exactly on those premises, "too much opm, too little time to think" a decade or two ago
gabriel_laddel: ;; ud opm
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=OPM | OPM. Other People's Money - what you need to get rich. From the adage, it takes money to make money, and to gain wealth you need a small fortune, which, ...
mircea_popescu: other people's money.
mircea_popescu: generally it's not understood that money is a burden, not a boon, and this current child porn cultural trend (i don't just mean squirreling away pictures of 12 yo girls split open, i mean the actual trend, a widespread and cvasi universal obsession with youths) is mixing the worst ingredients : child-hydrazine with money-methanol (it WILL make you blind, if you drink it!)
mircea_popescu: so far all that's coming out of this recipe are wrecks.
assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/09J3EV5.txt )
mircea_popescu: anyway, this is the deeper meh fuck it, ima go write an article.
gabriel_laddel: I was in the DFJ offices (Draper Fisher Jurvetson, VC firm) at one point and they had the big stop sign with the lettering "DON'T THINK" "DO". this from the same people who invested in d-wave. idiots. and people wonder why everything is breaking / broken. Don
gabriel_laddel: t kill the goose that lays the golden eggs.
gabriel_laddel: !s the endgame is obvious
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assbot: Logged on 25-12-2013 19:19:40; asciilifeform: well, eventually all the coin will be in the hands of people with brains.
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assbot: But first, let me take the worlds longest selfie (Video) : theCHIVE
BingoBoingo: !up brianhoffman
RagnarDanneskjol: aside from cringeworthy derpish content, the c-setter *company* blog actually has spammy ad links hiding in 'You may also like:' posts - wow, that's a first
BingoBoingo: Yeah, not very pro given their professed aims
thickasthieves: wait, Ripple has a vuln? lololol
Apocalyptic: Nejc must be happy to run a gateway
thickasthieves: so basically all the btc in ripple is fake
thickasthieves: i have to agree with cazalla that putting aff links is crap
thickasthieves: find a less abstracted form of payment
thickasthieves: i might also suggest qntra have a news/press release/leaks solicitation area
BingoBoingo: ^ good idea
thickasthieves: also you have to people in #qntra and we're lonely
RagnarDanneskjol: I been there for weeks - finally someone joined me
thickasthieves: qntra hasnt existsed for weeks :P
RagnarDanneskjol: yes, just about 2
RagnarDanneskjol: i had a nice topic header - gone now
thickasthieves: qntra wordpress is still loading super slow for me
thickasthieves: something up with your cache plugin i assume
BingoBoingo: thickasthieves: caching plugin?
RagnarDanneskjol: i guess he means these:
RagnarDanneskjol: <script src="http://stats.wp.com/e-201441.js" type="text/javascript"></script>
RagnarDanneskjol: that and/or addLoadEvent
thickasthieves: yeah it's probly jetpack
BingoBoingo: try nao
RagnarDanneskjol: just hacked it right out of there i see
BingoBoingo: Well it is what powers WP stats we had before quantcast. Not a cacheing plugin.
BingoBoingo: but thickasthieves is it loading faster for you?
BingoBoingo: Then that wasn't the problem
thickasthieves: is get This Webpage is not available for a while, then it eventually loads
thickasthieves: "This webpage is not available" (chrome message)
BingoBoingo: ... Well could it be your isp?
thickasthieves: no other website does it
thickasthieves: ive never even seen it before
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell cazalla thickasthieves is having connectivity issues with the qntra
gribble: The operation succeeded.
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thickasthieves: fwiw tablet beahaves similarly, except it just handgs instead of showing error page
BingoBoingo: quantcast's tracking pixel is slow. Dunno why you browser wouldn't render your page over that though
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dub: 1
dub: check 1
BingoBoingo: thickasthieves: Try now
BingoBoingo: !up pi07r
kakobrekla: >Bitcoin deposits may take up to 120 minutes to process.
kakobrekla: srsly.
thickasthieves: haha i see your little smiley face, but the problem is still showing
thickasthieves: kako, mpex?
kakobrekla: im just checking out vultr
kakobrekla: they added btc payments recently
kakobrekla: but wtf 120 min
kakobrekla: for 5$ confirmation
BingoBoingo: WFT indeed
assbot: U.S. and U.K. Plan Banking War Game to Test Crisis Defenses - Bloomberg
mircea_popescu: that took a while.
BingoBoingo: thickasthieves: Does qntra load better for you nao?
BingoBoingo: <thickasthieves> haha i see your little smiley face, but the problem is still showing < smiley is WP/jetpack
thickasthieves: bingoboingo, nope, i can also add that it seems like it might only happen on the 2nd thing i click on
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel theyre all like that, finance's been taken over by aluminum siding salesmen in the us.
thickasthieves: the first seems to load quickly every time
mircea_popescu: which is what osama wanted, actually. that was the fucking point of killing most of the financial minds over there : they'd be irreplaceable, for one thing,
mircea_popescu: but what;'s much worse : they WILL be replaced. ruining things forever.
mircea_popescu: cleannest surgical strike in the history of surgical strike, guy took out a country the size of a continent in one evening.
thickasthieves: bingo i have a ss i'm making that might be useful
mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> ^ good idea << meh, not so great.
mircea_popescu: i'd rather see aff links put deliberately than allowing random derps to send their "press releases". it'll turn it into a trade mag, which is bad.
thickasthieves: that's the editors problem
mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> hmmm << toldja wp stats suck.
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BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> i'd rather see aff links put deliberately than allowing random derps to send their "press releases". it'll turn it into a trade mag, which is bad. << I'm thinking more a known slush pile, but I guess the contact page already offers that function
mircea_popescu: i guess thickasthieves has a point, how's that different from someone being an author. it all boils down to sending stuff to cazalla see if he approves it.
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
mircea_popescu: wow holy shit wp4 uses jstemplate ?!
assbot: Money, fucking and lying pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
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thickasthieves: mp, typo "thee" = three
RagnarDanneskjol: ;;ud cuntstock
gribble: Google found nothing.
RagnarDanneskjol: thats a first
mircea_popescu: like livestock
mircea_popescu: except livelier.
RagnarDanneskjol: i get it very clever - imma send this to him today
mircea_popescu: to whom ?!
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mircea_popescu: well what could it hurt.
RagnarDanneskjol: should be the best day of his life
BingoBoingo: thickasthieves: Want to give it another go?
RagnarDanneskjol: !up deedBot
assbot: PoR - Pastebin.com
kakobrekla: >Open a ticket to unblock port 25. I got a response within an hour saying that port 25 is unblocked and they've sent me a link for some anti-spam policy. No other questions asked. You have to pay $5 per each spam email you send, but if your server was hacked, you are not responsible.
kakobrekla: lol!!
kakobrekla: broked policy
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thickasthieves: sry bingoboingo, still problemz
thickasthieves: also tried Opera, same deal
RagnarDanneskjol: kakobrekla - would you pls help me out and kick deedbot
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thickasthieves: just tested on firefox via cellular connection, no issues
thickasthieves: bingoboingo if you need anything else from me to test pm, i'm polluting the chan :)
thickasthieves: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 363.02, Best ask: 364.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.98000, Last trade: 364.25, 24 hour volume: 10774.12872505, 24 hour low: 352.5, 24 hour high: 366.0, 24 hour vwap: 360.510032128
kakobrekla: RagnarDanneskjol how does kicking help, it will still be online
RagnarDanneskjol: mmm - thought that would throw it off alltogether, guess not. will have to do it the hard way
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5911 @ 0.00074214 = 4.3868 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10350 @ 0.00073667 = 7.6245 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56032 @ 0.00073631 = 41.2569 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11968 @ 0.00073625 = 8.8114 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20660 @ 0.00073622 = 15.2103 BTC [-] {3}
kakobrekla: !s crash-safe.org
kakobrekla: at least its not using x86 it seems, hehe
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.15308699 BTC to 16`053 shares, 7183 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 5.09444684 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 443 satoshi per share
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6232 @ 0.00073733 = 4.595 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: http://frankrosenthal.com/ check it out, website still exists
assbot: Frank Rosenthal - Casino Movie - Free Sports Picks - Free Live Odds - Sportsbook & Casino Information
mthreat: look my what L-39 jet researched turned up: http://bitcoin-jet.com/
assbot: Bitcoin Jet » Introducing the world to Bitcoin through the thrill of the best aviation demonstration anywhere.
mthreat: *research
mircea_popescu: iirc they do show flights
mthreat: yeah they go to the shows, etc
mircea_popescu: Cadet Clevinger was court-martialed for breaking ranks while in formation, felonious assault, indiscriminate behavior, mopery, high treason, provoking, being a smart-guy, listening to classical music, and so on.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31267 @ 0.00073856 = 23.0926 BTC [+] {2}
mthreat: mopery? i'll have to google that
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38350 @ 0.00073637 = 28.2398 BTC [-] {3}
RagnarDanneskjol: !up RagnarsBitch
mircea_popescu: !up jacoblyles
kakobrekla: <mthreat> look my what L-39 jet researched turned up: http://bitcoin-jet.com/ < does it crash like btcusd?
assbot: Bitcoin Jet » Introducing the world to Bitcoin through the thrill of the best aviation demonstration anywhere.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6100 @ 0.00073611 = 4.4903 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37600 @ 0.00073607 = 27.6762 BTC [-] {2}
[]bot: Bet placed: 2 BTC for Yes on "Tesla stock below $225 in 2014" http://bitbet.us/bet/1030/ Odds: 75(Y):25(N) by coin, 73(Y):27(N) by weight. Total bet: 3.3701311 BTC. Current weight: 59,604.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21700 @ 0.00073838 = 16.0228 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8127 @ 0.00073995 = 6.0136 BTC [+]
assbot: Isle of tits
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00073838 = 3.6919 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 364.17, Best ask: 364.79, Bid-ask spread: 0.62000, Last trade: 364.13, 24 hour volume: 10307.11723052, 24 hour low: 354.71, 24 hour high: 366.0, 24 hour vwap: 361.281244324
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4513 @ 0.00073644 = 3.3236 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3302 @ 0.00074268 = 2.4523 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: !up indiancandy1
indiancandy1: hi babies
BingoBoingo: Hi movie star
mircea_popescu: heya indiancandy1
indiancandy1: how are you all
mircea_popescu: not bad, actually. yourself ?
indiancandy1: im hungry
indiancandy1: but im on diet
indiancandy1: cnt eat 2 much#
mircea_popescu: so eat some letters then!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25200 @ 0.00073863 = 18.6135 BTC [-] {2}
indiancandy1: soo mp
indiancandy1: whats new dude
indiancandy1: what is the 411
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10700 @ 0.0007359 = 7.8741 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5768 @ 0.00061635 = 3.5551 BTC [+] {11}
xanthyos: 133757 <+indiancandy1> cnt eat 2 much#
xanthyos: 133817 <+mircea_popescu> so eat some letters then!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26700 @ 0.00073542 = 19.6357 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13222 @ 0.00073502 = 9.7184 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19884 @ 0.00073495 = 14.6137 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27097 @ 0.00073544 = 19.9282 BTC [+] {2}
thickasthieves: xanthyos, it's just sposed to look like her, clickbait
xanthyos: thickasthieves: googling for a confirmation of a deschanel arrest led me to this closed captioning error: http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/the-sideshow/zooey-deschanel-boston-marathon-bombing-suspect-fail-202412271.html?soc_src=mediacontentstory
assbot: Zooey Deschanel misidentified as Boston Marathon bombing suspect by Fox TVs closed-captioning | The Sideshow - Yahoo News
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7050 @ 0.00073524 = 5.1834 BTC [-] {3}
cazalla: mircea_popescu: cazalla "wherein transactions may may be credited for amounts far greater than the actual amount" BingoBoingo posts his own articles and it's difficult to play editor while zzz
cazalla: <BingoBoingo> thickasthieves is having connectivity issues with the qntra <<< tat mentioned it before but seems to be the only one experiencing it, it loads fine here so not sure what i can do
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Yeah, thought it was just a TaT issue
cazalla: thickasthieves: i might also suggest qntra have a news/press release/leaks solicitation area <<< a good idea for the future, i don't think we have enough authority that people will come to us yet but in time they will, hopefully
thickasthieves: fake it til you make it, what kinda amurican are you?
cazalla: mircea_popescu: i'd rather see aff links put deliberately than allowing random derps to send their "press releases". it'll turn it into a trade mag, which is bad. <<< it might result in good stories, failing that, scammers out themselves, win win
xanthyos: using the public log to declare now before anyone can steal my idea that i am modifying the amphibious bike design to have parallel water screws instead of a loud splashy paddle for its propeller
xanthyos: need to contact grant imahara of mythbusters to build me a prototype
xanthyos: patent pending!
xanthyos: and broad "wings" so that the bike and rider's weight can be displaced in water with minimal sinkage
xanthyos: any engineers in here?
kakobrekla: when i was a kid i got to know the real inventor of the water scooter (his prototype was stolen and replicated). anyway, i did get to ride his underwater bike prototype.
jurov: is the rider exposed to water?
wyrdmantis: bitcoin core is the only way to have a full node on my computer?
wyrdmantis: Or there are other method?
thickasthieves: !s pankkake node
assbot: Setting up a Debian-based Bitcoin node | pankkake
jurov: wyrdmantis: btcd
wyrdmantis: Thanks!
thickasthieves: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 371.92, Best ask: 373.99, Bid-ask spread: 2.07000, Last trade: 371.92, 24 hour volume: 12790.39103437, 24 hour low: 354.71, 24 hour high: 378.33, 24 hour vwap: 364.171867667
thickasthieves: ;;estimate
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 36597298660.0 based on data since last change | 36214892300.9 based on data for last three days
xanthyos: wyrdmantis: the base has to be wide enough to displace the rider and bike's weights in water but narrow enough to be conveniently transported
xanthyos: this would work on all bike types
xanthyos: the rear wheel connects to 2 pontoon-ish waterscrews that are fully underwater so the propulsion is silent
xanthyos: and the steering column controlls the rudder
xanthyos: water riders are responsible for their own life vests just as road riders are responsible for helmets
xanthyos: let the legal team handle that
xanthyos: any open source CAD apps?
chetty: haha money laundering takes a new twist, I been hearing folks talk about how to sterilize cash
mats_cd03: mircea_popescu: i haven't been using the west key system to search. instead, i've been filtering for proceedings involving USG and then pruning for terms like wiretap, warrant, email, hard drive, paperwork, and suppression of evidence.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27250 @ 0.00074146 = 20.2048 BTC [+]
mats_cd03: then reverting the filter and reading every remaining case to avoid missing anything.
ben_vulpes: <xanthyos> any open source CAD apps? << pretend to be a student, download Inventor
mircea_popescu: indiancandy1 what's a 411 ?
mircea_popescu: !up indiancandy1
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves> fake it til you make it, what kinda amurican are you? << he's an aussie lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14400 @ 0.00073987 = 10.6541 BTC [-]
thickasthieves: i really dont see soliciting leads and leaks as something related to the size of your britches anyway
thickasthieves: it's more indicative of what kinda place youre running
mircea_popescu: leads and leaks are not much to do with pr bs
thickasthieves: well some PR is news
thickasthieves: if coinbiz.io raises $1b in venture capital and releases a press release informing the world, some bitcoiners might be interested in that as a news development, no?
kakobrekla: only when derp is issued
mircea_popescu: i guess what you mean is that the better pr is built atop of news
mircea_popescu: sure, but anyway.
thestringpuller: what's the point of a bitcoin company raising fiat capital if they can't use it to purchase btc
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8300 @ 0.00073873 = 6.1315 BTC [-]
Adlai: chetty: what does "sterilize cash" mean?
Adlai: autodesk are actually moving towards open source for their newer products, although since it's a bottom-up effort, existing products will remain closed source indefinitely
Adlai worked there for a while
xanthyos: i found a warez copy of autocad for a teacher of a class i took in high school, and he said that i'd get an A no matter what
xanthyos: in retrospect, what an irresponsible teacher. i learned nothing about cad use and played the hamster dance all semester long
Adlai wasn't aware that the hamster dance could be anything but danced
wyrdmantis: btcd up and running! sweet!
xanthyos: it was a meme back in 1999
xanthyos: played a section of the opening music to disney's animated robin hood
assbot: Original Hampster Dance from 1997 (hamsters dancing online) - YouTube
thickasthieves: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 380.07, Best ask: 381.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.93000, Last trade: 382.22, 24 hour volume: 13450.59317102, 24 hour low: 354.71, 24 hour high: 383.01, 24 hour vwap: 365.375474836
chetty: <Adlai> chetty: what does "sterilize cash" mean?//people are getting worried about 'germs' getting passed around on money
bounce: <mircea_popescu> i have no idea what their codes look like, i go by "is there anything past the address". in this case www.amazon.in/God-Gamer-Ravi-Subramanian-ebook/dp/B00MY74DJG << makes me think that's an affiliate code. << the only thing that actually matters is the item code; what looks like the title is replacable fluff.
Adlai: one of my earliest memories of being factually incorrect is being informed that cash is the dirtiest object i touch on a daily basis
Adlai thought it was batteries or something. dunno, this was in preschool.
Adlai: expired batteries are pretty gross though. i'd rather throw out an appliance than clean a bay that held expired batteries.
xanthyos: Zechariah 9:9New King James Version (NKJV)
xanthyos: The Coming King
xanthyos: 9 .Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion!
xanthyos: Shout, O daughter of Jerusalem!
xanthyos: Behold, your King is coming to you;
xanthyos: He is just and having salvation,
xanthyos: Lowly and riding on a donkey,
xanthyos: A colt, the foal of a donkey.
xanthyos: hillary clinton
bounce: what with the sermon?
xanthyos: i meant for it to all paste as one line
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10450 @ 0.00073898 = 7.7223 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: bounce ah bitbet style huh
Adlai: that still doesn't answer bounce's question :P
Adlai: any of you watching the th1btc drama?
Adlai: background: bitfinex created a cloud mining contract for a fixed time period, so its value *should* continuously decrease... but by making it possible to trade and loan as margin, they've created quite a bizarre asset which has everybody in the forums and reddit screaming about manipulation now
assbot: Logged on 31-03-2014 20:40:50; mircea_popescu: artifexd i dunno, it's been illo tempore policy that people accidentally spamming or otherwise unintentionally misbehave contribute to the port fund
Adlai: my theory is there's no single manipulator. traders want to short, shorting requires borrowing the contract, borrowing requires lenders, lending requires buying. so trader A has to buy before trader B can short.
Adlai: rather than shorts causing a sell today and a buy later, shorts here require a buy then sell, and later on a buy followed by a sell of the lender cashing out
Adlai had chocolate for dinner, shit
kakobrekla: Adlai whats the drama
dub: obola
Adlai: chocolate will be the vector for the globola outbreak
kakobrekla: no i mean <Adlai> any of you watching the th1btc drama?
Adlai: oh, multiple threads full of lemmings crying manipulation. i hadn't paid this thing any attention until i saw this enough times to be sick of it.
Adlai: (second this refers to cries of manipulation)
kakobrekla: i guess they are too smart to be here
assbot: TH1 Contract Manipulation - Do not short : BitcoinMarkets
assbot: TH1BTC Speculation Thread - Bitfinex Cloud Mining Contract
Adlai: right, they're busy making money off telepathically preempting The Manipulator
Adlai is just eyeing that spread
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 380.71, Best ask: 380.99, Bid-ask spread: 0.28000, Last trade: 381.0, 24 hour volume: 13751.74284801, 24 hour low: 354.71, 24 hour high: 383.6, 24 hour vwap: 366.149981911
nubbins`: Adlai, chetty uh.. sterilization has a specific meaning in economics (not sure if you're having a lel or not)
thestringpuller: well at least the drama is affecting the price
thestringpuller: nubbins`: so no more posters :(
thestringpuller: Poster lost in the sands of time forever.
xanthyos: will there be demand for blood diamonds if there's any chance it was ebola-contaminated blood?
Adlai: nubbins`: sometimes context-free lels are the best?
nubbins`: Adlai always
nubbins`: thestringpuller :| okay, you can have mine
thestringpuller: Nah nubbins` !!!
thestringpuller: you too nice
thestringpuller: I'll just take refund/credit on future project or something
thestringpuller: we can discuss later
Adlai: there will always be demand for blood diamonds, you can't put the Magnificent Bitcoin Gem on a ring
assbot: ninjashogun +v failed; L1: 0, L2: -4
thestringpuller: !up ninjashogun
ninjashogun: thanks
thestringpuller: ;;getturst assbot ninjashogun
gribble: Error: "getturst" is not a valid command.
thestringpuller: ;;gettrust assbot ninjashogun
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask ninjashogun!~User@unaffiliated/ninjashogun. Trust relationship from user assbot to user ninjashogun: Level 1: 0, Level 2: -4 via 4 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=ninjashogun | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=ninjashogun | Rated since: Thu Jun 26 19:05:58 2014
thestringpuller: wow thosea are some scary ratings ninjashogun
ninjashogun: they're just trollish ratings. The positive rating isn't merited either.
ninjashogun: None of those are based on trades or knowing me in real life.
bounce: how does that relate to you hanging out here, where those ratings come from?
ninjashogun: I mean they give the impression of being based on something (transactions with me etc).
Apocalyptic: thestringpuller, you don't know the fellow ?
kakobrekla: verbal transactions count.
ninjashogun: kakobrekla, yes of course they do.
kakobrekla: verbal is actually the wrong word here. hehe
ninjashogun: What did you mean then?
ben_vulpes: text action
bounce: hot text on text action
thestringpuller: Apocalyptic: i only rate people when I do extensive interactions with them. or interactions highly dependent on trust.
thestringpuller: thus in that context I not know ninjashogun.
Apocalyptic: i didn't ask about rating, but he made some voice here a while ago
ninjashogun: Let's talk about something interesting. Did you guys see htat Reddit's investors are giving 10% of their series B round to the reddit community? (http://blog.samaltman.com/reddit)
Apocalyptic: *noise
thestringpuller: !s reddit stock crypto
thestringpuller: !s reddit stock
ben_vulpes: damn ninjashogun you can't even be arsed to use the convenient logsearch?
mircea_popescu: Adlai it's pretty well established that bitfinex are derpy already.
thestringpuller: i dunno where we've discussed it to be honest. so the log search is not helping me. i'm also an idiot with archival retrieval sooo
Adlai: beautifully understated
kakobrekla: (so is kraken btw)
kakobrekla: just retarded in a different way.
Adlai: which way?
kakobrekla: !s kraken
kakobrekla: blah gribble
ninjashogun: No, those log searches don't show anything. But at least I personally think it's big news. This is from sept 30th.
mircea_popescu: !down ninjashogun
kakobrekla: !s kraken -gribble
assbot: 134 results for 'kraken -gribble' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=kraken+-gribble
mircea_popescu: see ? wasn't even that far off!
Adlai: LOL i didn't realize one could "welsh" on a bet, that's a new slur to me
kakobrekla: and to add more to the logs, today from Darko (kraken) : The documentation on the partial payment feature is very poor. Even the Stellar Development Foundation only learned of the issue this past week. Even though there was an update to the Stellar code base to remove the feature, we are nonetheless taking the Stellar gateway offline until we can fully evaluate everything ourselves. Overly cautious perhaps, but we'd rather be overly
mircea_popescu: it's not a slur, it's true :D
kakobrekla: cautious in a situation like this.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla they all got raped because they thought themselves smarter than the b-a crowd.
mircea_popescu: gotta implement ripple and css yo!
assbot: Logged on 03-04-2014 19:15:23; kakobrekla: kraken will trade you dead grandmother if the logo is nice.
thestringpuller: interesting idea: way to tie entities to Web of Trust identities?
thestringpuller: like a directory of sort.
kakobrekla: well since you worked with their api Adlai , you prolly noticed their rate limits
kakobrekla: prolly the most retarded setup on this planet.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38300 @ 0.00073892 = 28.3006 BTC [-] {2}
Adlai: that doesn't make them derpy, just drastically lacking in infrastructure... which is a little derpy for an exchange
kakobrekla: that is just one of the 1000 and 1 fails of kraken
Apocalyptic: Adlai, you're familiar with the "same deposit address to multiple customers" issue ?
kakobrekla: as for the infrastructure - i am quite confident they have less than half of what they had a year ago
Adlai: Apocalyptic: link?
Apocalyptic: it's on btctalk, I'm confident you can find it yourself
Adlai: a link is a link even when it's not a url :)
mircea_popescu: Adlai it's how they squandered their original trust capital
Adlai doesn't understand why they haven't turned on the margin engine
Adlai: it seems as though all the software is in place, and this is obviously a feature that the average trader loves to use
Adlai: (otherwise why would people still be on bitfinex)
kakobrekla: afaik bfx is loose on dox if you dont withdraw fiat
Adlai: another beautiful understatement
kakobrekla: (and possibly dposit)
Adlai: they don't know anything about me other than an email address
kakobrekla: i dont know the details - not registered.
mircea_popescu: http://mpex.ws/?mpsic=S.QNTR <<< so this is a little bit of news
assbot: S.QNTR last @0.00000000
mircea_popescu: congrats cazalla & BingoBoingo
cazalla: and this is what i link to from qntra?
mircea_popescu: also pete_dushenski, mike_c, RagnarDanneskjol, other interested parties ^
mircea_popescu: cazalla yeah put in a footer somewhere.
Adlai: qntra.net seems to have some ssl issue?
kakobrekla: ssl has issue with qntra prolly
Adlai: well, the certificate is issued for a different domain name
cazalla: that's interesting
kakobrekla: also is there a point in ssl if its optional
Apocalyptic: <Adlai> qntra.net seems to have some ssl issue? // just got the error
cazalla: i didn't reg an ssl cert, the domain was dropped by qntra.com at some point i believe
mircea_popescu: cazalla srsly, just ditch https altogether
Apocalyptic: the ssl cert provided seems to be for *.battlequest.com
mircea_popescu: it doesn't actually add any security, costs money and adds complexity.
cazalla: i never added it so how do i remove it
Apocalyptic: mircea, it at least adds security in the sense of preventing sniffing by some derps
kakobrekla: green icon is nice though.
cazalla: battlequest looks good
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic sniffing what ?
Apocalyptic: the transmitted data
mircea_popescu: but it's a news website.
Apocalyptic: I know, I thought your statement was general and not related to qntra
mircea_popescu: cazalla you don't really need to do anything.
cazalla: i assume it'll go away once cert expires
mircea_popescu: it'll just bitch about expired cert then
mircea_popescu: but w/e, people gotta learn to get off https
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14189 @ 0.0007364 = 10.4488 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: i suppose the user-friendliest solution would be to get a cheapo cert and then redirect it via mod_rewrite
kakobrekla: they wont learn
mircea_popescu: hey, its a parade over here!
kakobrekla: sry sry
kakobrekla winds off
dub: BREAKING: MPEx IPOs bitcoin drama. You'll Never Believe Wat Happens Next
assbot: Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1FZ0HPH.txt )
BingoBoingo: !t m s.qntr
assbot: Um, shouldn't you be with your own tribe or somethin'?
mircea_popescu: who/what had that tagline ? "you won't believe what happens next"
cazalla: that youtube video from other week
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla no i meant literally. peruvian day parade.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12400 @ 0.00073987 = 9.1744 BTC [+]
atcbot: [X-BT VWAP] Bid: 185 Ask: 225 Last Price: 225 30d-Vol: 170k 30d-High: 266 30d-Low: 180 30d-VWAP: 198
kakobrekla: so, rain on?
mircea_popescu: no nudity
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in cryptography, every constant's a salt. you're well advised to change ALL constants << and turn wrong knob, die by pollard rho or similar.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's for small primes neh ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not hard to see why schneier and his owner would tell us 'don't homebrew crypto', but the propaganda has a basis in honest fact - average 'k00l d00dz' programmer will hang himself with own gun
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: yes. for the exponent example specifically, see coppersmith's attack.
mircea_popescu: ideally, by the time he's old enough to have a gun he has enough experience with peashooters to know better.
mircea_popescu: provided he's given peashooters as a kid and encouraged to shoot himself till he gets tired of it.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: interestingly, cryptography does not work this way. you can walk around for years as a zombie, while not knowing that you're really blown your brains out years ago and ought to rest in the grave.
mircea_popescu: also true
mircea_popescu: still, you gotta gimme something. don't use standard stuff, don't homebrew, what then ? wait for god ?
asciilifeform: rewire, homebrew. but do occasionally study how the damn thing works.
Adlai: i've been seeing "you won't believe what happens next" since the first banner ads
asciilifeform finds it quite impossible to imagine anything other than a mutilated corpse following 'won't believe what happens next' phrase.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19850 @ 0.00073936 = 14.6763 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: * asciilifeform finds it quite impossible to imagine anything other than a mutilated corpse following 'won't believe what happens next' phrase. << Woodchipper fan fiction
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 185 Ask: 225 Last Price: 225 24h-Vol: 0k High: N/A Low: N/A VWAP: N/A
dub: stay classy mp
asciilifeform is able to identify the smaller devices in the upper right hand corner of photo, but not the large rectangular apparatus.
RagnarDanneskjol: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-10-2014#869192 << cazalla - one day hanging by a thread, next day listing on biggest exchange in teh universe http://www.troll.me/images/y-u-no/y-u-no-wait.jpg
assbot: Logged on 12-10-2014 05:02:00; cazalla: not at this time, it's only 2 weeks old, maybe it dies tmw who knows
cazalla: RagnarDanneskjol, lol, what did you expect me to say
RagnarDanneskjol: nothin, just sayin
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15550 @ 0.00073936 = 11.497 BTC [-]
cazalla: so regards to finding additional author, on the about page i added must be in wot + 6 months #b-a logs, i'm happy to loosen requirements if article quality is up to par, what do people think?
cazalla: additional authors*
asciilifeform: cazalla: how does this work again? people submit items written for the occasion? or are they licensed from other sites ?
BingoBoingo: Well, writing sample as audition seems like a solid process
asciilifeform: or is there a set of staff authors ... ?
cazalla: ideally they find some news, verify rumour, something of interest to readers that is original
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Everything for the occasion. Maybe eventually a staff? Qntra only pays in equity though.
cazalla: licensing content wouldn't work
asciilifeform: then find << which they ? that was the q
cazalla: they as in anyone that wants to contribute to the site and earn equity
asciilifeform was confused by talk of 'finding authors' earlier.
cazalla: i didn't really make it clear
BingoBoingo: Food for thought. Bone wax is an actual product applied to living bone.
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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re: 'youth' article: when americans repeat the maxim 'don't waste your youth', generally they aren't talking about purely chronological age. what they really mean is 'youth' in the sense of the larval cycle where you are supported by external wires (parents, student debt, etc.)
asciilifeform: for some of the people in question, this has been artificially extended into 20s, 30s, and on.
mats_cd03: i am realizing the West Key system is not going to be helpful in doing this legal research
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mats_cd03: guess ill go to the harvard law school library and bug some librarians for tips
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RagnarDanneskjol: harvard law library is open to public?
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asciilifeform: it is possible to pay one's way into most academic libraries.
asciilifeform: but price varies.
asciilifeform long-time practitioner of this dark art
BingoBoingo: chetty: Have you found anything concrete on sterilizing cash yet?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: in the literal sense?
mats_cd03: i know a guy that knows a guy.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Yeah. Beause obola
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if so, the simplest device is... a bank. the infected cash is brought to the bank, and given to the hapless devil inside. afterwards, one walks six metres to the cash machine and withdraws clean cash (generally, where i live, only newly-printed money is ever placed into the cassette, to avoid jamming rollers.)
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Adlai: technically (the best kind of) speaking, isn't material contaminated with ebolavirus still considered "sterile"?
Adlai: "free from bacteria or other living microorganisms; totally clean"
BingoBoingo: Adlai: Depending on where one places their cut off for "life" it could be. I'm of the opinion that fire meets the minimum qualifications for living though.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: if so, the simplest device is... a bank. the infected cash is brought to the bank, and given to the hapless devil inside. afterwards, one walks six metres to the cash machine and withdraws clean cash (generally, where i live, only newly-printed money is ever placed into the cassette, to avoid jamming rollers.) << Out I get some used, but pressed bills out of the cash machine
Adlai: another possibility is to wash your hands before you eat, and use straws instead of benjies
asciilifeform: use straws instead of benjies << heresy
Adlai: ok, this is the first time i've watched a video trailer for a book: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ruba41fF1Ag
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Adlai: makes me just want to wait until the movie comes out
asciilifeform: there was, if i recall, a trailer for neal stephenson's 'anathem'
BingoBoingo: Well, ethylene oxide seems like a promising canidate agent
cazalla: Adlai, it's pretty common
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: seems as if you're still thinking of the whole thing as a natural disaster - rather than open biological warfare by usg against own subjects
BingoBoingo: Could be both
asciilifeform admits he expected an honest, traditional firing squad, like a chump.
asciilifeform: at any rate, the difference between disaster and war is that dodges don't work against war - it responds in kind.
asciilifeform: earthquakes don't chase you if you run.
Adlai: firing squads take a long time and use too much manpower (Eichmann et al, 1942)
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asciilifeform: 'Perhaps even more disturbing, evidence suggests that policymakers—from cadets at West Point to senators on the Intelligence Committee to Supreme Court Justices—are referencing fake spies to formulate and implement real intelligence policies...'
Adlai is a bit puzzled by the incentives arising from s.qntr's share model... authors are incentivized to write the longest possible article which will pass review, while the editor is incentivized to pick the shortest available article on a specific subject
Adlai: that doesn't necessarily produce the "best" content, although trying to incentivize "better" content through share distribution might be misguided
cazalla: Adlai, providing contributors adhere to quality guidelines, i don't see long articles to be a problem for the website
decimation: asciilifeform: that 'spytainment' paper is hilarious. I especially like the part about re-classification of previously publically released material.
cazalla: if anything it will act as motivation for them to contribute a lot of quality content and possibly earn more than they would have by publishing it elsewhere
Adlai: cazalla: problem != (dis)incentive
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decimation: One cannot imagine a better situation for allowing bureaucrats unlimited freedom of action than to create a massive propaganda apparatus (hollywood) which everyone (including dear leaders) believe to be the truth.
cazalla: and why would i be incentivised to write short articles? i can earn from the same pool of shares other authors do
Adlai: decimation: after one of the snowden leaks, there were some emails sent around govt networks asking people not to open the leaked documents on workstations with lower clearance than the leaks
asciilifeform: quite a bit of very interesting (though, naturally, unproven) turds on cryptome today
asciilifeform: pertaining to the crown jewels.
Adlai: i'm imagining a situation where authors are competing, i realize that qntra has a smaller author pool atm
decimation: one wonders if usg actually keeps anything secret or just fills out paperwork to that effect
Adlai: how does qntra plan to monetize?
BingoBoingo: Eventually
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xanthyos: much of the btc criticism i read online hearkens back to mtgox, like mtgox is this powerful buzzword that trumps all arguments, like rudy giuliani did with "9/11"
mircea_popescu: <cazalla> so regards to finding additional author, on the about page i added must be in wot + 6 months #b-a logs, i'm happy to loosen requirements if article quality is up to par, what do people think? << yah if they're in the wot at all and they submit something that's decent should be ok
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> or is there a set of staff authors ... ? << set as in brothel. anyone can submit for an audition
asciilifeform: http://cryptome.org/2014/10/nsa-eci-the-intercept-14-1010.pdf << now we know what drawer in the indiana jones vault contains rsa pill.
asciilifeform: (or, is to contain.)
Adlai: BingoBoingo: "how" is the key word :)
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> larval cycle where you are supported by external wires (parents, student debt, etc.) << clearly spending your own money as you see fit should be a better position than begging mom/govt. so if that's what it is then... yeah, waste it. it sucks.
BingoBoingo: Well, there's a timeline to answer how beyond what is contained in the listing document. Any or all of the methods proposed there may be considered.
Adlai looks at the listing again
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'better to be rich and healthy than poor and disease-ridden', yes.
mircea_popescu: * Adlai is a bit puzzled by the incentives arising from s.qntr's share model... authors are incentivized to write the longest possible article which will pass review, while the editor is incentivized to pick the shortest available article on a specific subject << works i guess.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i've yet to meet adults that made less than teenager allowance.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: use formula from earlier thread, 'wage per minute of actual work minus rent'
asciilifeform: for teenager, rent can usually be set to null
asciilifeform: rephrase, if you like, as 'unit of discretionary income per unit of lost free time.'
mircea_popescu: this is plainly untrue. if teenager rent is null then pretty much any woman's rent is also null.
mircea_popescu: if you're going to put up with parenting level bullshit you might as well answer one of those "will rent for cocksucking" craigslist ads.
asciilifeform: not every parent is a visisector
mircea_popescu: eh get out.
mircea_popescu: any helicopter mom can run the mouth for longer than anyone can maintain an erection.
mircea_popescu: cocksucking's by far the better deal.
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Adlai: lolololol
Adlai: there's a doonesbury somewhere out there where mike's dad gives him a bill for all his parenting, including his share of rent
mircea_popescu: i think a vanishingly small minority of parents actually adds value through parenting.
Adlai: text is too small to find it quickly through google images -> /me gives up
mircea_popescu: the vastmajority should be charged for it.
decimation: I have a friend who made his teenagres pay the utility bills
mircea_popescu: much like the vast majority of people writing should be charged
mircea_popescu: per word.
kakobrekla: per letter offers better provisioning
Adlai: obligatory rothbard quote, "the purely free society will have a flourishing free market in children"
mircea_popescu: no, let them try to use all nine letter words :D
mircea_popescu: Adlai and be better off for it, too.
BingoBoingo: !up devthedev
asciilifeform: i wish we could ask herr rothbard about the market value of... ebola.
devthedev: Thanks BingoBoingo
asciilifeform: per gram.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, this isn't some sort of crazy altenrate world. one of the chief pillars of english prosperity, not just financial but espexcially intellectual, was the flourishing free market in children they had.
mircea_popescu: pretty much every snotty brat got shipped off to slave labour at the age of about 7.
decimation: in the ancient world it is my understanding that selling children into slavery was in some cases the 'social safety net'
mircea_popescu: the process built like 99% of any english speaker worth a name in all history.
mircea_popescu: decimation in the modern world too
decimation: mircea_popescu: not to mention they sent their criminals and 'surplus young men' into slavery in the colonies
mircea_popescu: you can still buy an indian girlie today.
Adlai: at what point does a child sold into slavery become free?
mircea_popescu: Adlai in england you mean ? usually when he's old enough and skilled enough to practice a trade
mircea_popescu: except if a woman. women rarely emancipated.
mircea_popescu: dub what part of tuna do you find unclassy ?
Adlai: whenever i think about such ideas, my disgust at the theoretical treatment of people turns into disgust at the actual way we treat animals today
Adlai: and then i stop thinking about it because bacon
mircea_popescu: your disgust is misplaced.
mircea_popescu: the only disgusting thing is that a minority of kids today are mistreated by not being so treated.
Adlai: you think we treat animals (including people) well?
asciilifeform: Adlai: the 'animal rights' folks have it backwards. i've met people who envy the pigs.
decimation: Adlai: do you think it is more 'humane' to pay to keep the humans in shitholes with nothing to do?
mircea_popescu: Adlai i think english speakers mistreat their children horribly.
kakobrekla: told you he will get along just fine.
Adlai: i'm not sure what's humane or better, but i'm open to the possibility of there being better treatments than what we do now
Adlai: and yes, it's fair to say that i was "mistreated" by never having to work for money until i stopped accepting my parents' charity
Adlai: on one hand i'm pretty pleased about that, it enabled me to have tons of free time growing up, and i think i used it reasonably well
Adlai: on the other hand, that child grew into a "psychologically unemployable" adult
Adlai: kakobrekla: what's wrong with a little dissent :P
decimation: I suspect that few of the young apprentices that mircea_popescu mentioned ended up dispising the masters who showed them how dumb they were
asciilifeform: psychologically unemployable << waitwat, what do you eat...?
Adlai: debt!
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Adlai: :D
asciilifeform: keep the humans in shitholes with nothing to do << where is this done, outside of u.s. prisons ?
asciilifeform: (and schools, but i repeat myself)
decimation: and 'neighborhoods' in the city
asciilifeform: decimation: gedankenexperiment. what stops these folks from, e.g., opening a textbook & studying physics, math, greek, whatever ?
asciilifeform: everyone 'has something to do'
asciilifeform: not everyone has a chap with a stick standing behind, ready to whack
asciilifeform: but not everyone needs.
Adlai: mircea_popescu: maybe make http://mpex.bz/?mpsic=S.QNTR link to http://qntra.net instead of https?
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decimation: asciilifeform: well, the aforementioned English devised a system where every such chap has a stick-wielder nearby
asciilifeform: that is one way to ensure that everyone who needs the stick, gets the stick, yes.
decimation: in the us, wielding the stick is generally banned, as is wielding wet noodles or signs that say 'stick'
asciilifeform: there is still a stick.
asciilifeform: and it will swing, and take your head clean off, if it must
devthedev: What do you think would be the best way to handle MPEx shares for Qntra?
asciilifeform: when you do certain things
cazalla: give him the stick, DON'T give him the stick
decimation: you mean the cruel discipline of nature?
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker
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Adlai: BingoBoingo: where in the listing document is there any mention of anything which generates revenue?
asciilifeform: decimation: nah. homeland severity, war on drugz, etc
BingoBoingo: Adlai: Section 1, definitions
Adlai atard
Adlai: beautifully vague, but i guess that's appropriate at such an early stage
decimation: asciilifeform: yes, it is sad that in the us, the gov't has the right to arbitrary invade your person, yet generally forbids those who are put in authority over children the same power
decimation: and by 'invade your person' I mean 'subject to arbitrary measures of physical control'
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BingoBoingo: JSON as XML
Adlai: yes that was linked in #lisp a while back
BingoBoingo: Ah, I only have so many channels open at a time.
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RagnarDanneskjol: Adlai at what point does a child sold into slavery become free? psychologically unemployable, et.. < http://trilema.com/2014/money-fucking-and-lying/#footnote_1_57150
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mircea_popescu: <decimation> I suspect that few of the young apprentices that mircea_popescu mentioned ended up dispising the masters who showed them how dumb they were << actually, if the periodic apprentice riots are anything to go by, they probably resented their masters to their grave.
mircea_popescu: so what of it, kids loving their father is the seal of fathering failure.
decimation: heh good point - except for the few who became masters themselves
mircea_popescu: <devthedev> What do you think would be the best way to handle MPEx shares for Qntra? << whatr do you ean handle ?
BingoBoingo: !up devthedev
mircea_popescu: "what do you mean handle" i meant
mircea_popescu: <decimation> and by 'invade your person' I mean 'subject to arbitrary measures of physical control << they still doing the "freeze" kindergarten game in airports ?
Adlai: mircea_popescu: isn't much of what you say about anglophonia relevant for many other places too?
devthedev: I'm trying to gain knowledge of which brokerage would be best.
mircea_popescu: not that many. nordic countries mostly.
mircea_popescu: devthedev prolly jurov's coinbr
decimation: mircea_popescu: yes, except they arbitrarily add on various 'strip' features, like your shoes, bags, etc
mircea_popescu: we kinda had that,
mircea_popescu: but you had to be careful or else the adults might catch on.
decimation: the latest thing is that if you pay the tsa $70 you can get your name on a list, so that you go through security 'the way it was before 2001'
RagnarDanneskjol: !up RagnarsBitch
Adlai while reading RagnarDanneskjol's link, wonders whether mircea_popescu has seen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Wg6rL0n1yk
assbot: George Carlin - Children Are Our Future - YouTube
decimation: "I'm an official friend of usg, here's my pass from Stalin"
asciilifeform: decimation: nah, that'd be whatever document officials carry
mircea_popescu: !s carlin from:mircea_popescu
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asciilifeform: any chumper can fork over the hundy and get the 'precleared' thing.
mircea_popescu: decimation do they refund it if you blow up a plane after all ?
Adlai: the agent refunds it if they want to see you naked when you arrive at the airport
asciilifeform has considered applying for the pass to see if he'd get one
mircea_popescu: tbh, if i were sitting on the iron throne in question, i'd have the agents naked
mircea_popescu: actually fuck it. nudist flights. poland style!
asciilifeform: this was actually proposed
asciilifeform: forget by whom
asciilifeform: next step was, i think, 'knockout flights' - with anaesthesia
mircea_popescu: i think it' sstill done in germany/poland
mircea_popescu: was the rage in the 80s
asciilifeform: the answer is, of course, the humble fat bomb.
asciilifeform: (or uterus bomb, or variations thereof.)
asciilifeform: i for one am quite curious what the first successful use of a uterus bomb will do to 'security theatre.'
decimation: mircea_popescu: I believe usg officially values passengers at $170k per head: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/07/08/asiana-airlines-crash-lawsuit/2500067/
assbot: What are your rights if your plane crashes?
mircea_popescu: decimation it's about fair tbh.
decimation: whatever happened to those 'red faction' chaps that were using high-end shaped charges in the 80's?
mircea_popescu: if you do actuarial averages, about the best construction you can come up with
decimation: I think you wrote about the tyranny of infinite liability
assbot: Logged on 29-09-2014 20:16:36; mircea_popescu: any state purporting to enforce strict liability is pure stalinism and nothing but.
mircea_popescu: this is mere tort.
decimation: ask any engineer 'how safe' the bridge should be, and he will ask how many people it should kill in a reasonable lifespan
BingoBoingo: decimation: Bridge kills no people in it's lifespan because users are warned of the expiration date upon which it will self bomb
decimation: the point being everything is a tradeoff, and many errors of government come from trying to assume the value of something to be infinity - or zero.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: win98 crashes, self-bomb goes off in rush hour.
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mats_cd03: my brain keeps parsing S.QNTR as squinter
mats_cd03: perhaps my brain is telling me to write for qntra.
mircea_popescu: try it and see
BingoBoingo: mats_cd03: That just might be the case
decimation: I read it as 'squitter'
mats_cd03: the only thing i have in mind is bitbet audit 2
mats_cd03: and i plan to wait until brk-a bet concludes to do that
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mircea_popescu: six months or so to go ?
decimation: so reading about lowendhost.net in the [b]logs was useful. has anyone used 'vultr.com'?
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thickasthieves: decimation, kako tried it earlier today
decimation: it seemed to be among the best deals in 'kvm' hosting
thickasthieves: btw bingoboingo, the error is gone, and grats to you and cazalla on the IPOhood
BingoBoingo: thickasthieves: Thank you
thickasthieves: no grats for mp
mircea_popescu: whai not ?
thickasthieves: keeps you grounded of course
BingoBoingo: decimation: I think kakobrekla is giving them a spin. I've read mixed reviews.
thickasthieves: but no, thank you for giving it a go, i always like to see the new b-a bizs
decimation: ah I see his note in the log, thanks for the tip. I wonder what kind of processor they are using
BingoBoingo: decimation: Their copy says something intel and something recent.
thickasthieves: omg i'm going to reddit to try to get mpex to support bitcoin, they only take words now!
mike_c: you could buy from starving authors
thickasthieves: what do i look like?!
thickasthieves: so, wall st gonna bleed out this week?
asciilifeform: thickasthieves: heard EBLA is doing great.
asciilifeform: promising stock.
asciilifeform: (or is it OBLA... ?)
BingoBoingo: It's EBMA and OBLA
thickasthieves: that's some high-rez
asciilifeform: meant to be printed, i think.
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: (no, it’s not all physiology, there’s a lot to the functioning of the brain that’s purely cultural, and thus ethnic, and thus sure black kids immersed into white culture could in principle get the same IQ measurements as white kids while black kids from Africa or the ghetto never will) << lolno.
cazalla: good luck ebola!
diametric: asciilifeform: for what its worth, there is actually no direct flights from west africa to here.
diametric: so theres no flights to stop.
asciilifeform: indirect ones.
diametric: but that would be tantamount to stopping all inbound flights.
asciilifeform: homeland severity knows what your claimed origin point is.
diametric: honestly, though, ebola has an R0 of 2, its less serious than measles which thanks to anti-vax nutters is making a huge comeback. If theres anything to honestly be really worried about, its measles.
asciilifeform: (can fake it, sure. in rich country, penalty - deportation; poor countries - bullet)
diametric: i find it kind of interesting though, you were in the camp of ebola isn't a serious problem for a first world country when we talked about it a few months ago.
decimation: diametric: even assuming that ebola doesn't transmit very well, wouldn't it make sense to attempt some level of quarantine?
asciilifeform bought the party line from u.s. army textbook on subject earlier
diametric: decimation: of course, but i think thats happening. (re; the idiot that sneezed and said "sorry i came from africa"
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decimation: "Washington didn’t micro-manage American Samoa, not being all that interested. A policy of benign neglect was interpreted by Poyer as an opportunity to act on his best judgment, in the finest traditions of the US Navy. He imposed quarantine. That was harder that it sounds, because of the frequent family visits between West Samoa and American Samoa – but Poyer also had the support of the local chiefs, who understood how
decimation: serious imported epidemics could be. The people of American Samoa self-blockaded, on top of official quarantine: they sent out canoes to stop any and all visitors. They never had a single case."
assbot: Their Lying Eyes | West Hunter
diametric: man its feeling a bit like fox news in here, trying to convince me I already have ebola
asciilifeform: what does fox news prescribe for ebola ?
diametric: jesus
asciilifeform: t-shirt with elephant logo to be buried in ?
diametric: take two every night.
decimation: diametric: this is one of these 'tough calls' that the man-children who pretend to run the usg need to actually make
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> what does fox news prescribe for ebola ? << The more important question is where are those magic tobacco plants growing those antibodies
decimation: asciilifeform: it seems that guy (Mr. Cochran) has some axes he is grinding
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: in exactly the same place as the goats growing recombinant butyrylcholinesterase (antidote+prophylactic against organophosphate poisoning, $30k+ a dose at current production methods)
asciilifeform: that is - just enough for the Folks Who Matter (tm)
diametric: we're still only sitting at one infection contracted in the US, a nurse that didn't follow the proper protocol when dealing with the index patient (who is now dead). I'm not seeing the incoming pandemic yet.
decimation: diametric: if you read my first link above, the guy comes to the same conclusion
decimation: the question is, how many extra us citizen deaths are worth not 'shutting down' travel from africa, whatever that means?
asciilifeform: no big secret that the policy is to wait for the pandemic, yes.
asciilifeform: after pandemic, the flights will shutter. but different ones - flights out of usa.
asciilifeform: because who in their right mind will let these land?
diametric: its deja vu for me, i had this nearly identical conversation with a friend over sars way back when.
diametric: and then again for swine flu
The20YearIRCloud: And we started monitoring almost immediately
asciilifeform: fatality for swine flu was close to nil.
The20YearIRCloud: If my understanding was right, the infection rate from swine flu was higher, but overall mortality was less
decimation: diametric: yeah the difference is we know the fatality rate for ebola is double digits
The20YearIRCloud: A girl in my town came very, very close to death from swine flu, but normal flu kills quite a few each year
dub: we don't know that
diametric: we know the fatality rate for ebola if you're a poor african man is double digits.
decimation: although to be fair, we don't know how people with actual medical care will fair
decimation: diametric: yeah that's a good point
asciilifeform: so far, 50% (sample of... 6 ?)
asciilifeform: the thing is, 'actual medical care' for the afflicted is possible when you have a handful.
asciilifeform: and doctors are willing to approach them, and resources available
BingoBoingo: If they survive ebola die by the bill
The20YearIRCloud: It's high in the US too, the difference is here it's not as liekly transmissable, nor as lethal, and there's extreme economic incentive to prevent or treat it
asciilifeform: how transmissible - let's ask again next month.
The20YearIRCloud: The flu kills plenty in Africa too, but our death rate from yearly flu is something like 0.02%
diametric: asciilifeform: we know how transmissible, even in a country like africa where large families share rooms, the average person only infects 1.5 other people.
dub: where are teh bitbets? 50K US deaths by chrimbus
decimation: right, so r < 1.0
diametric: I've heard numbers ranging from 0.5 to 2 for r
diametric: which is nothing compared to 18 of measles.
mircea_popescu: so these people here are fucking obsessed with dolce de leche
diametric: pertussis is like 15 or something.
mircea_popescu: i expect they make furniture out of the thing too
mircea_popescu: so i go buy chocolate dipped figs. only to discover, the motherfucking figs
mircea_popescu: ARE STUFFED IN TURN
mircea_popescu: with dolce de leche
asciilifeform: diametric: measles is entirely uninteresting to the vaccinated.
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel which part and wherefore
asciilifeform is quite certainly obsessed with dulce de leche...
decimation: diametric: I agree with you that ebola in the us likely has r << 1.0, and will not be a pandemic
diametric: asciilifeform: it shouldn't be, thanks to your local anti-vaxxers who are breeding colonies of non-vaccinated measles carrying people, new mutations are likely.
decimation: but that's cold comfort for the couple of people who will die because "we can't control travel from africa"
diametric: so far nobody has died from uncontrolled travel from africa.
asciilifeform: the nurse still lives?
decimation: that's true, there's only been one case of transmission in the us, the nurse in texas
diametric: the only person in the US that has died from ebola was the african guy that came here and was already very sick.
mircea_popescu: <diametric> honestly, though, ebola has an R0 of 2, its less serious than measles << this is relying on a whole string of assumptions.
mircea_popescu: like saying "this hooker's like 50 lbs, she's a lot less dangerous than mike in accounting"
mircea_popescu: sure, but the hooker's got aids and a heroin habit.
diametric: less serious in the chances of you getting ebola.
diametric: than say of an unvaccinated person getting measles.
mircea_popescu: this may be true on an individual level. but large scale biologic phenomena have their own emergent properties.
diametric: asciilifeform: it kind of surprises me. if anything, i feel as though the media, and in part the usg, is making ebola sound way more serious in order to keep people in a state of panic. and you're falling right for it.
mircea_popescu: in short, you have nfi what happens once it reaches the magical 2% i think it was ?
Adlai: growing up against a backdrop of sars and assorted flu mutations has vaccinated me against pandemophobia
decimation: diametric: I agree with you that 'anti-vaxxers' are a bigger threat than ebola
Adlai: ebola seriously could not be lower on my waiting list of fuckstogive
decimation: at least in the us
asciilifeform: ebola is interesting not because 'it's coming' but because usg clearly intends to let it walk at leisure.
diametric: decimation: 2013 was the worst in the last 17 years for measles, entirely due to anti-vaxxers. last thing i want, is measles moving around, and having more chances to mutate.
diametric: asciilifeform: i'm not sure how you've come to the conclusion based on a single nurse that didn't follow the rules getting ebola to the usg has let it walk at leisure.
asciilifeform: spanish nurse also did not follow rules?
diametric: she touched her fucking eyes the last i heard.
asciilifeform: after how many nurses do we conclude that they are all simply tired of living?
diametric: with her gloves.
asciilifeform: or that 'the rules' are not quite, the rules
Adlai: i'm more scared of a friend overestimating his own drunk/high driving abilities and killing me before widespread deployment of self-driving cars, than i am of dying of any pandemic, ever
diametric: asciilifeform: well a lot more than 2 right now.
mircea_popescu: Adlai sure, but again, the mass effects are of concern.
Adlai: yeah they really need to release that sequel already
mircea_popescu: for instance, if a fire breaks out in a crowded place, being trampled is more dangerous than being burned
Adlai: note to self: winds are calmest at the epicenter
asciilifeform: in usa, we know how to get trampled even without fire
diametric: unless you're at a great white concert.
dub: you forget this is libertard holy grail, fully half of all bitcoiners are sitting in the bunker cleaning ar15 right now
asciilifeform: in fact, the yearly holiday where this traditionally takes place is coming soon
diametric: its not black friday until a walmart patron is trampled to death.
asciilifeform: dub: we're cleaning stone knives, most can't afford auto
BingoBoingo: <dub> you forget this is libertard holy grail, fully half of all bitcoiners are sitting in the bunker cleaning ar15 right now << AR-15 is rather heavy for a walk to the exit
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decimation: dub: are you saying that obama is walking ebola to keep the republicans at home for the elections?
mircea_popescu: <dub> where are teh bitbets? 50K US deaths by chrimbus << make it.
asciilifeform: badbet?
asciilifeform: like 'reichstag burns' given in faq ?
mircea_popescu: dub moar like on reddit
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dun see it. pandemic is act of god.
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: IQ isn't all physiology, ie, genetics. Your iq is in part dependent on your epileptics. So, yes, "there’s a lot to the functioning of the brain that’s purely cultural, and thus ethnic" but that "black kids immersed into white culture could in principle get the same IQ measurements as white kids" does not follow. Blacks have smaller brains and lower iq because of their genetics - placing them in a
mircea_popescu: eminently insurable.
asciilifeform: except when not
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel epileptics ?!
asciilifeform: spellchecker blip ?
asciilifeform: probably meant 'epigenetics' ?
decimation: seems like a 'force majeure' clause to me
mircea_popescu: anyway, the brain size is not necessarily a predictor of anything. my amd quad is smaller than an old pentium
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: fml, spellchecker. epigenetics.
diametric: the incoming ebola pandemic is brought to you by the evil nazi atheist muslim obama, and his horde of unbelieving non-republican swine that infect our great god fearing nation.
mircea_popescu: the genetics underpinnign cognitive function is debatable and poorly understood.
mircea_popescu: hence "could in principle" is correct.
mircea_popescu: it doesn't mean much more than, this empty bottle of soda could in principle be gasoline.
Adlai: it's amazing just how unrelated brain volume and intelligence are
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decimation: diametric: a nontrival portion of the us population probably believes this
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diametric: decimation: i know.
diametric: my aunt is one of them.
asciilifeform: Adlai: now go and see reaction time vs. intelligence (take your pick of any known simple test for either of the two)
diametric: she once told me she literally believes obama is the anti-christ.
asciilifeform: Adlai: disturbingly close. 0.8, if i recall.
mircea_popescu: decimation diametric would one of you consider perhaps changing nick ? you're hitting a total blind spot with me, you're like figs and dates, i keep confusing you!
asciilifeform: diametric: http://pbfcomics.com/209 << relevant
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Adlai: asciilifeform: interesting. the only correlation i can think of for reaction time would be that of overall size, or rather, the length which nerve signals need to travel
diametric: i'll change my nick for 10 bitcoin.
Adlai: spiders move so quickly because their brain is right there
mircea_popescu: i am but a poor evil overlord!
mircea_popescu: Adlai nah. because they're hidraulic
mircea_popescu: they don't use muscles.
asciilifeform: Adlai: if i recall, hypothesis involves impedance matching - same reason folks with damaged myelin sheaths lose theirs.
Adlai: why not both?
mircea_popescu: Adlai because similar sized insects aren't that fast.
mircea_popescu: take a small slug
asciilifeform: Adlai: better impedance matching - smoother function of nervous system, both central and peripheral, all else equal
Adlai is not knowledgeable enough about slug anatomy to respond
asciilifeform: i suspect you'll get an even tighter number if you factor out arm length (test for reaction time usually involves light and buttons)
Adlai: what is a "known simple test" for "intelligence", though?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform as far as i recall the better studies were done by the russians, measuring eye movements
asciilifeform: Adlai: pick your favourite.
Adlai: or rather, "which intelligence"?
mircea_popescu: to focus and to adjust.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: yes, i did read that one.
Adlai: ooh, that's good
mircea_popescu: eyes are remarkably even across populatiobs
mircea_popescu: even when ethnically disjunct
Adlai: a lot less nerve length, and less variance between individuals
mircea_popescu: it's what i mostly use to score individuals in proxmity, too.
Adlai: the really steady metric is distance between pupil centers
Adlai: really useful for computer vision
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gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: "the genetics underpinnign cognitive function is debatable and poorly understood." really now? I looked into this, there is no debate on the matter of race / iq / genetics (there is however, lots of screaming). What genes specifically determine iq is definitely up for debate.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it's what i mostly use to score individuals << whatchado, flip the lights on & off and watch the pets sort out the room ?
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BingoBoingo: <Adlai> what is a "known simple test" for "intelligence", though? << Measured intoxication
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah, just watch people respond to stimuli.
Adlai: BingoBoingo: ?
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: from linked paper "National IQs have been reported for 192 countries around the world. The results show that the average IQ for East Asians centers around 106; for Whites, about 100; for US Blacks about 85, and for sub-Saharan African Blacks about 70. The same rank-order of race differences is found for ‘‘culture-fair’’ tests and reaction-time measures. Reaction-time tasks are so easy that al
gabriel_laddel: l children can do them in less than one second. More intelligent children, measured by conventional IQ tests, perform faster on these tasks. East Asians average faster reaction times than Whites who, in turn, have faster reaction times than Blacks."
BingoBoingo: Adlai: Get someone to hit a controlled amount on a breathalyzer and have them do math
Adlai: that only tests "intelligence" as it relates to the types of "math" in your test
asciilifeform: how come we never hear anyone arguing that there is no such thing as 'strength'
gabriel_laddel: Adlai: can't tell if you're trolling.
Adlai isn't
asciilifeform: and that a circus weight-lifter isn't the least bit strong, because perhaps my arse muscle is stronger yet than his biceps
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel there are many countless objections to bring. for instance, the country with a guy at 300 and three guys at 50 is better than the country with three guys at 150 ?
Adlai: "intelligence" is a very nebulous concept. you can get precise measures for precise definitions of it, but i'm not too interested in who can do long division faster in their head
mircea_popescu: averaging nonlinear measurements is a fine example of having passed through college unattained.
Adlai: let's test correlation between reaction time and dual N-back
asciilifeform: Adlai: the army where you live, when you come to enlist, measures strength. do they do it by asking you to carry a crippled fellow man from a burning tank? or using an arbitrary quick test?
Adlai: they don't measure strength when you come to enlist :P
Adlai: where do you think I live?
asciilifeform: perhaps i should move there, and enlist
mircea_popescu: what do they measure now ? "sensitivity" ?
asciilifeform: what else don't they measure ?
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: well, for what purpose?
Adlai: you should probably not
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel i dunno, your research papers.
Adlai: when you enlist, they measure "quality" (literal translation) using secret methods
Adlai: everybody goes through the tests, most people know their results, but the actual method of calculating the results is top sekrit
mircea_popescu: what are you in, like finland ?
BingoBoingo: <Adlai> that only tests "intelligence" as it relates to the types of "math" in your test << Well in the later rounds it test how well a brain functions when dampened
asciilifeform: and none of the methods involve a bar bell, scale, measuring tape ?
Adlai: this "quality group" metric is supposed to indicate intelligence
Adlai: physical strength is only evaluated in entrance exams to various units which require it, and these usually test stamina more than raw strength
decimation: asciilifeform: actually the australian army studied this: http://publications.amsus.org/doi/full/10.7205/MILMED-D-12-00423
decimation: " Current assessments measuring muscular endurance (push-ups and sit-ups), although providing some relationship to firefighting tasks,22–24 do not measure a soldier's ability to lift and carry equipment with the ecological validity of a task-specific assessment. An appropriate assessment would involve lifting and carrying an item in each hand (replicating the hose carry upstairs)."
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asciilifeform: firefighter carries nothing heavier than a hose?
asciilifeform: say, a man
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: the paper isn't arguring "better" simply that iq holds for races across environments.
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel that iq AVERAGES
mircea_popescu: iqs are not linear, and im not even sure they're scalars at all.
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: yes. thank you.
mircea_popescu: hence averages are of vehehery limited usefulness.
decimation: yeah, dr. obvious probably co-wrote that study
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel in short, im not denying a lot of work has been done. i'm just saying, i'm skeptical.
Adlai: the only army-wide test which supposedly measures strength that i'm aware of involves pushups and situps, and i can count on one hand the number of times i saw it administered without the vast majority of people cheating
Adlai: cheating = you pair up and count for eachother. the soldier counting is supposed to count out loud, but when there are twenty people counting out loud and one or two officers supervising, you can count by twos, threes, or tens, and they don't notice
mircea_popescu: Adlai apparently testing for intelligence would help this army
mircea_popescu: at least at the officer level.
mircea_popescu: i'd have you court martialed if you counted by three. and i would notice.
Adlai: there's a separate metric for a soldier's applicability to being an officer
decimation: usg tests its officers for intelligence
Adlai was top intelligence and zero officer applicability
mircea_popescu: decimation yeah, but they don't really manage to attract that much talent somehow.
mircea_popescu: i dunno what it is, the russians have the secret to this.
Adlai: do intelligent russians have attractive prospects outside of a military career?
mircea_popescu: well there's always a cab in ny...
asciilifeform: they can move to usa and massage machines, yes.
asciilifeform: whether that's 'attactive' - you decide.
Adlai: a large problem for militaries in generalized anglophonia is keeping the military career attractive to local talent
mircea_popescu: well perhaps not running the military like it were an idiot reservation bound for the special olympics might help.
mircea_popescu: if you review the us record, from korea to the latest iraq...
mircea_popescu: i don't think they have YET had any sort of objective.
mircea_popescu: kinda hard to attract smart people that way.
decimation: yeah I agree with mircea_popescu, it's a 'big picture' problem
Adlai: national militaries are still trying to wrap their head around how to fight an enemy that isn't another large military
decimation: modern usg officer is told to pacify locals without using any tools that would actually be effective
mats_cd03: counterinsurgency has been a staple of various militaries for decades.
Adlai: doesn't mean they're any good at it, yet
mircea_popescu: yeah mats_cd03 has it, look how nicely the russians did everywhere since the 90s.
mats_cd03: school of americas, what have you. politicians are now executing military policy, thats all.
decimation: they used to be, what about the pacification of germany and japan?
mats_cd03: they're plenty good at it, just not where you think they'd be good at it.
mircea_popescu: neither of these were hard tasks decimation
mats_cd03: see: columbia.
mircea_popescu: the germans were thrilled to be relieved from the russians.
Adlai: well and also some wars aren't meant to be over in a week, that doesn't pull a heavy budget
mircea_popescu: the japanese had a bunch of orgasms and were in that female wax phase.
Adlai: war is peace and all that
mats_cd03: some people, like me, are of the opinion that enough money wasn't spent to quell the iraqi and afghan insurgencies
mats_cd03: should've been $trillions, instead of $xxx bn.
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03 you probably realise the only correct solution there was to make iraq 51st state
mats_cd03: see: marshall plan.
mircea_popescu: anything short of that was going to fail.
mats_cd03: pretty much.
mircea_popescu: so you know... we're not going to do it. well then... why are you here ?
decimation: mircea_popescu: that's obviously the right answer, but note how absolutely no one with anywhere near actual power has even floated that idea
mircea_popescu: ironically, it'd have fixed the crisis, too.
mats_cd03: misguided politicking, imo
Adlai: this is assuming that it should have been $xxxxxxxxx instead of $0 in the first place
mircea_popescu: decimation in public ? nobody would, either. except for me, i keep talking about all sorts of things that shouldn't be in public, much to everyone's shhock and horror.
Adlai: *awe
decimation: but what about 'freedom of speech' 'marketplace of ideas' and all that other bullshit
mircea_popescu: you familiar with the platonic concept of "the great lie" ?
mircea_popescu: great as in very good, not as in very big
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> i think a vanishingly small minority of parents actually adds value through parenting. << the "how to parent well" resources are well drowned in noise
decimation: like 'the noble lie'?
ben_vulpes: "beatings, frequently", is probably the best advice i've ever gotten.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes also, kids can't parent. it takes adults.
ben_vulpes: when do i become an adult?
mircea_popescu: generally, after you've been hurt and digested it.
ben_vulpes noticed no phase change
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Adlai: mircea_popescu: kids can't parent. it takes adults. « tell that to eleven-child families in the west bank where the oldest daughters are effectively mothers to the others
mircea_popescu: those aren't children.
mircea_popescu: there's no age limit, you can be an adult at about 12.
mircea_popescu: most english as a single language kids i meet aren't adults at 30.
The20YearIRCloud: Varies greatly person by person
Adlai: seriously how are we defining "adult" here
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: now try and tell this to american, and usually he will nod enthusiastically, and after you say '...30' he will answer: 'naturally! they won't even agree to sign up for mortgage!'
mircea_popescu: Adlai "having been hurt and digested it"
Adlai: although i guess internet arguments are more fun when people don't even know how vastly their assumptions and definitions are outta wack
Adlai: interesting definition...
mircea_popescu: well you can readily fix that, read the log.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: what were your categories again? "learning by watching" "learning by reading" ...
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes im not sure what's the context ?
ben_vulpes: i'm trying to remember myself
asciilifeform: ...'must piss on the electric fence personally'
asciilifeform: (3rd type)
ben_vulpes: some people must learn by watching and we call them X; some people learn by reading and we call them Y...
Adlai: the best kinds of misunderstandings are the ones not yet present in the logs
ben_vulpes: ah yes ty asciilifeform
ben_vulpes: some must learn by pissing on the fence themselves, and we call them...
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Adlai: one thing i did like about the army is that the core text on safety and risk assesment is titled "Learning from Others' Mistakes"
Adlai: mircea_popescu: waitwaitwait women aren't full of shit and don't want to be in control all the time?
asciilifeform: that's SOP for any serious safety class
decimation: I find watching such movies enjoyable, there's a whole collection here: http://www.csb.gov/videos/
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