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mircea_popescu: sooo... ipad has a memory leak
mircea_popescu: if you search for a generic term in their package manager and keep scrolling... eventually iot crashes
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: almost every vendor proggy on that thing has leaks
asciilifeform: (crash on ios can, of course, result from conditions other than out-of-ram-kill)
mircea_popescu: apparently stevieboy's idea of apt-get is a sort of mozilla
mircea_popescu: and you bitch about the pile of turd that's c++/python software built on top of a c os ?
mircea_popescu: what's the ipad stack then.
assbot: Logged on 16-07-2014 20:32:30; mike_c: ok - compile a list of 20 blog posts from blogs.b-a that are appropriate to target. tweet one a day @ target.
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel who's your target ?
thestringpuller: good evening hanbot or I guess morning?
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: The list of targets, irc is Nick Szabo, Nicholas Taleb.
hanbot: good timeperiod thestringpuller! :)
asciilifeform: i can't picture what taleb (or for that matter herr sz) would get out of my turds
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: I sent it to Terry A Davis, perhaps he can be convinced to write Lisp...
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: davis reads my site, i think; grudgingly
mircea_popescu: is the guy actually nuts or just being an internet person ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: his bread and rent are paid for by usg as 'disability pension'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: so he has to be either 1) genuine nutter 2) play the part until he goes to his grave
mircea_popescu: o yea ? because if he stops what happens ?
asciilifeform: then he ends up like me, possibly
xanthyos: it's not difficult for an actor to get lost in that part
mircea_popescu: it is a pretty big part.
asciilifeform: 'we are what we pretend to be, so must be careful what we pretend to be'
asciilifeform: http://www.terna.org/enewsletter/Apr-Jun%202010/VLSI.pdf << trinary vlsi cells, for the really serious nutters
assbot: : Computer Science - 11
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: re, what they could get out of your posts. You've rather clearly articulated the problem with the current computing stack. I'm unaware of any other person documenting the incumbent's desire to cater to the stupid. As thinking men, they must find it irritating to interface with today's machines.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: the crux of the matter, though, is that the only possible proof is experimental. and so what i really should've worked on, instead of essays, would've been some scam like davis has
asciilifeform: because it is quite impossible to carry out the proof while day job.
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: I suppose. In any case, your essays exist.
asciilifeform: i've concinced perhaps... 3, 4, 5 people who actually understood what the hell the entire picture is about.
asciilifeform: i suppose that's more than some people can say.
asciilifeform: *convinced
mircea_popescu: there's probably thousands.
mircea_popescu: the trouble is, monkeys be lazy.
mircea_popescu: and laziness in monkeys is perhaps the most complex self-writing piece of software ever
asciilifeform: there's perhaps 2, 3 other monkeys who can do it also. but they're likely also stuck working for living.
asciilifeform: 1 of the 3 other monkeys, perhaps, knows russian (which imho is an absolute hard requirement for this particular stunt)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7897 @ 0.00074074 = 5.8496 BTC [-]
cazalla: ;;later tell devthedev i changed a few things so that article is not overly promotional for altcoins or snapcard/wix
gribble: The operation succeeded.
thestringpuller: and cazalla tellin' me he ain't an editor
cazalla: thestringpuller, i said writer, not editor :P
thestringpuller: how does day 8 look?
thestringpuller: in terms of traffic?
asciilifeform: https://www.bitcoinezy.com << linked from 'qntra'. mis-shapen usb drive with winblows exes, mega-lol!
assbot: The Easiest Way To Buy Bitcoin | BitcoinEzy
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: what happens when one of these "secure" wallets gets exploited?
thestringpuller: hardware wallets*
asciilifeform: afaik that isn't even a 'hardware wallet'
asciilifeform: at least, nothing on the vendor site seems to claim it outright
thestringpuller: oh i was thinking of bitstash
asciilifeform not familiar with above
assbot: BitStash
cazalla: thestringpuller, 924 views for 11 articles, my only concern with this plug in is it might be tracking BingoBoingo and my own use of the site
asciilifeform: 'Accessed via hardened bluetooth wireless using your mobile devices....' << ahahaha that one.
thestringpuller: yea so when one of these things gets hacked is it an immediate game over?
asciilifeform: the one that picks up 'radio havana' to generate keys, yes
asciilifeform: game over for whom ?
thestringpuller: the consumer
mircea_popescu: the construction "isn't limited to simply Bitcoin, but also Litecoin, Ripple and Dogecoin" is broken in that it expands to "isn't limited to X, it's limited to X Y Z and K"
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller prolly.
asciilifeform: depends also if pwned by theorist in a garret somewhere, or by vendor, by design, for mass vacuuming
asciilifeform: although if remote pwnhole, can lead to same end.
asciilifeform: keys generated 'with atomospheric noise and prng' suggest latter scenario
thestringpuller: lol. sounds like a mole. "trust our wallet". vendor uses backdoor to steal all the consumer funds.
asciilifeform: not vendor per se. vendor's vendor.
asciilifeform: (his owner)
asciilifeform: but i digress.
thestringpuller: looks like nothing is as secure as a good 'ol paper wallet buried like old school treasure.
cazalla: mircea_popescu, fixed
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: old school treasure << 'the!' treasure thread >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-08-2014#816402
assbot: Logged on 30-08-2014 20:46:17; asciilifeform: but, as every treatise on the subject invariably begins with, first try to understand what is to be hidden - and from whom
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21300 @ 0.00074068 = 15.7765 BTC [-] {2}
thestringpuller: thanks asciilifeform, i missed that thread.
thestringpuller: modern treasure hiding. i guess in international waters you have to worry about pirates?
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: hardest part, aside from constructing the hypothetical apparatus, is finding the site again without recourse to satellite.
thestringpuller: well i guess then treasure hunters shall find it in future if you bite the bullet before retrieval.
thestringpuller: not the first time that's happened I suppose...
thestringpuller: or perhaps it remains unclaimed for many lifetimes...
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: go fetch treasure from 5km+ down.
asciilifeform: in particular, while not knowing where.
thestringpuller: the titanic hid all but lost treasures for nearly a century...
asciilifeform: titanic is at ~4km, afaik - and, still there...
thestringpuller: this also intrigued me about dropping a message in a bottle down the marianas trench...
thestringpuller: but i don't think many devices could withstand the entire trip
decimation: thestringpuller: I think the engineering is feasible, but it certainly wouldn't be cheap. As ascii emphasized in that thread, this is for items worth >$100k 'hiding'
thestringpuller: i understand. my imagination likes to run wild. I was thinking of trusting a >$100k fortune in BTC to a paper wallet via treasure hiding, vs. the so-called "secure" hardware wallets
asciilifeform: 100k being a very conservative figure.
thestringpuller: but the problem asciilifeform has described makes for more effort of retrieval in the former scenario.
thestringpuller: if retrieval is at all possible in ones lifetime after stashing.
asciilifeform: trivial retrieval with hydrophone scheme (other than how to find location. learn stellar navigation.)
thestringpuller: does burying device on remote island (possibly uncharted) not work anymore?
thestringpuller: or is this method outdated.
asciilifeform: island is cheap to search.
decimation: stellar navigation is generally only as good as your time source
asciilifeform: decimation: dollar store quartz watch.
decimation: loses seconds per month, and how are you gonna set it if you can't count on 'infrastructure'?
thestringpuller: decimation: this is why it was so difficult to tell time in the sea during the old days.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: it's funny how a quartz watch does what a very expensive device did during the 1700's.
asciilifeform: building machines today that can be counted on 50 years from now - is a solvable problem.
thestringpuller: in regards to sea travel
asciilifeform: military engineers consider it every day.
decimation: even in those old days they could reconstruct 'time' from solar observations & so forth, just took awhile to do so
asciilifeform: not the same machines as sold to consumers/chumps, yes
asciilifeform: but buildable.
thestringpuller: well you didn't have a "torch" of time when you left the mainland...at some point watches didn't exist.
thestringpuller: you know time in relation to your current position but not in relation to the mainland.
decimation: asciilifeform: indeed, the first step for someone considering 'off-the-grid' navigation would be to find a way to keep the 'fire' of accurate time burning without external aid
thestringpuller: longitude is hard.
asciilifeform: not actually hard if you've discovered electromagnetism (electric tuning fork clock, considerably simpler than harrison's chronometer, is quite easy to construct)
thestringpuller: was electomagnetism widely discovered at the point the chronometer came about?
thestringpuller: i remember there was a large bounty for the chronometer during it's inception
asciilifeform: and yes, bounty.
decimation: nope, it would take a few $1,000 in ovenized crystal oscillators and/or rubidium (rubidium clocks have a finite lifetime though)
asciilifeform: (there is an - american? - film about it.)
asciilifeform: decimation: to locate what? an ant in the sea ?)
decimation: asciilifeform: hehe well certainly one would have to calculate 'how close' one must be in order to effectively trigger release
decimation: presumably the closer one can get, the more alternative retrieval methods become feasible
thestringpuller: diving 5km is pretty bad.
asciilifeform: if capsule floats a microphone near the thermocline (naturally, by a wire too thin to be lifted by) can 'pop' from 1000+km.
asciilifeform: owner - doesn't need to dive.
asciilifeform: at all.
decimation: I saw the "H1" clock at the Greenwich observatory, it was a fancy machine
asciilifeform: enemy - yes, has to dive.
decimation: owner must dive if release fails
decimation: or swab the bottom somehow
asciilifeform: if release fails - he's not an owner, any more.
asciilifeform: like bitcoin.
thestringpuller: point taken.
decimation: hehe a gift to neptune
asciilifeform: what do you own if lose key.
asciilifeform: your tears.
assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2DD4ZYC.txt )
thestringpuller: grr I'll rebash that
assbot: Need a number of lines.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1950 @ 0.00074049 = 1.444 BTC [-]
decimation: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 376.06, Best ask: 378.68, Bid-ask spread: 2.62000, Last trade: 378.68, 24 hour volume: 48239.04792239, 24 hour low: 349.0, 24 hour high: 395.55, 24 hour vwap: 369.705424437
decimation: it will be interesting to see if this bottom holds
assbot: Teledyne Benthos Acoustic Modems - 960 Series ATM-966
asciilifeform: 2-6 km range. max depth 6km.
thestringpuller: 6km is pretty deep...
decimation: asciilifeform: re: 50 year lifetime << http://globalsp.ts.fujitsu.com/dmsp/Publications/public/ru_webinar_BX_advantage_30_%20nov_12.pdf 'enterprise' servers have hilarious claimed 'mtbf' (1.7 million hours!)
asciilifeform: wandering decimal place? lulz
decimation: ;;calc 1700000/(24*364.25)
gribble: 194.463509494
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 30000 @ 0.00003502 = 1.0506 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40650 @ 0.00074045 = 30.0993 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: this'd be a decent idea for an oglaf strip : a retarded indian that doesn't quite grok the entire scalping business so he's going around with a string of pubic hair patches
mircea_popescu: "As he packs up his BFL units to sell, he explains to his son that he threw away his bitcoins and their future because he is stupid and ignored MPOE-PR's posts on Bitcoin Talk. Despite all of this, Dan continues to wear his Butterfly Labs t-shirt till the end of the film, as if it is a remnant, a small piece of a future he will not enjoy."
mircea_popescu: no fucking way ?!
cazalla: that's my interpretation
cazalla: he shows his kid a bitcoin difficulty chart and says look at all the people mining, these bfls are shit so im selling em
thickasthieves: is that like right befror it hits $1000?
mircea_popescu: hilarious article.
cazalla: dunno, i only skipped through looking for good parts
thickasthieves: i havent even taken the time to read 1 reddit post on the movie
thickasthieves: it's repelled me from the start
cazalla: it's not good, the only thing that stood out was the guy turned from enthusiastic to gutted, you can't miss it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17700 @ 0.00074342 = 13.1585 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30072 @ 0.00074371 = 22.3648 BTC [+]
pete_dushenski: ;;isitup fullnode.co
gribble: Error: "isitup" is not a valid command.
pete_dushenski: ;;isitdown fullnode.co
gribble: fullnode.co is down
pete_dushenski: such lulz
pete_dushenski: praise be to pankkake for calling their ass out back in june http://pankkake.headfucking.net/2014/06/27/fullnode-co-is-a-scam/
assbot: Fullnode.co is a scam | pankkake
assbot: Intel Underestimates Error Bounds by 1.3 quintillion | Random ASCII
assbot: Logged on 10-10-2014 02:39:21; decimation: in case folks haven't seen the latest amusement with x86: http://randomascii.wordpress.com/2014/10/09/intel-underestimates-error-bounds-by-1-3-quintillion/
pete_dushenski: punkman: ha! nice.
mircea_popescu: has a point.
decimation: lol mormon as a branch of methodist
mircea_popescu: seems reasonable.
mircea_popescu: where'd you put it ?
mircea_popescu: it's definitely "colorful neoprotestant"
decimation: I guess one could make an argument, given the *
pete_dushenski: decimation: they both had found the teachings of one particular man to be worth branching off for
pete_dushenski: i think i just mentioned that in a footnote recently...
assbot: Thank Your Lucky Trolls | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski
pete_dushenski: "Methodism is like Mormonism in that it follows the life and teachings of a recently living man. Methodism follows Britain John Wesley (1703–1791) and Mormonism follows American Joseph Smith (1805–1844). Maybe you can start a branch of Christianity too!"
pete_dushenski: one right after the other.
pete_dushenski: i guess i shoulda written "maybe you can start a branch of judaism too!"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: if capsule floats a microphone near the thermocline (naturally, by a wire too thin to be lifted by) can 'pop' from 1000+km. << unless someone/thing tried to lift it prior
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: king of the britains?
mircea_popescu: "follows Britain John Wesley " is broken
decimation: modern Methodism has degenerated into becoming fairly indistinct from the "liberal religion"
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: ya… it is.
mircea_popescu: generally, the proposition that you'll "go to heaven" through a certain recipe is doomed to create monsters
assbot: Why Dogecoin is a scam, why the people pushing it are assholes, why Business Insider is a contemptible piece of shit, why anyone who ever worked for it will be dancing in the street for nickels and why Kevin Rose is a fuckwit. Plus other considerations. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: they're back
punkman: dat title
pete_dushenski: ;;google itulip
gribble: iTulip.com - The Contrary Market View - For Independent Financial ...: <http://www.itulip.com/>; Forum Actions - iTulip.com: <http://www.itulip.com/forums/>; 2013 Review and 2014 Forecast - Part I: The Last Bubble - Eric ...: <http://www.itulip.com/forums/showthread.php/26677-2013-Review-and-2014-Forecast-Part-I-The-Last-Bubble-Eric-Janszen>
mircea_popescu: "iTulip.com Ad Policy As of March 31, 2006, you well see Goggle AdSense ads on iTulip.com."
decimation: lol dogecoin volume has suddenly doubled on cryptsy the past few weeks
mircea_popescu: shit assets don't simply die
mircea_popescu: they go to the pink sheets, to live as one of a few well specified chumpatron models
mircea_popescu: can you translate ?
assbot: Why didn't you invest in Eastern Poland? - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16800 @ 0.00074523 = 12.5199 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28828 @ 0.00074523 = 21.4835 BTC [+]
assbot: naspo comments on WARNING: Bitcoin Address Blacklists have been forced into the Gentoo Linux bitcoind distribution by Luke-jr against the will of other core devs. Gentoo maintainers are clueless and not reversing the change. Boycott Gentoo now.
thickasthieves: i know bingo mentioned it used luke's patches, but i didnt know the patches has blacklists
thickasthieves: bliacklists...
bounce: uh. yay, let's make bitcoin more like paypal and visa/mastercard, and arbitrarily shut out parties you don't like
RagnarDanneskjol: speaking of: 01:00 <#bitcoin-dev> petertoddgwillen: haha, yeah they do - mircea popescu had me buy him SomethingAwful passes with my credit card a few times so he could troll there
mircea_popescu: not like it actually does anything. bout as retarded as bayesian spam filtering.
mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol it's in the logs.
thickasthieves: i can appreciate luke-jr excercising his own voting/filtering rights though
thickasthieves: patching it into defaults is pretty lame
bounce: it's a curious discussion. he gets to patch the gentoo bitcoind because he's a core dev? why isn't that patch in mainline then?
assbot: luke-jr +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
thickasthieves: !up luke-jr
Luke-Jr: it's not appropriate for mainline; I'd reject it myself
thickasthieves: this turned into a whole fud in the trader chat, theyre all FINCEN WANTZ BLACKLISTSZ!
mircea_popescu: gentoo decided they'll let bitcoin in there as a luke thing.
mircea_popescu: hardly a reason to "boycott gentoo"
bounce: so what makes it appropriate for gentoo?
mircea_popescu: in fact, anyone with the werewithal to boycott as much as a donut stand can just as well patch out whatever.
thickasthieves: i'm like dude, look at the list
Luke-Jr: bounce: it's better than nothing, until we have a better spam filter implementation
bounce: uhm. no.
Luke-Jr: also, in Gentoo, it's optional
Luke-Jr: because we can just apply the patch or not
bounce: turns out it ended up as the default option, so that's one argument down the drain.
mircea_popescu: as per usual, reddit makes a mess of things. they're like ten year olds, those people. "o did you hear sugar kills ? sure, it killed sam's dog!"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45500 @ 0.00074256 = 33.7865 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: cue memes of an antropomorphic sugar cube with chainsaw
Luke-Jr: bounce: still an option
Luke-Jr: it *should* be default, since it's better
thickasthieves: ok how many people using the bitcoin wallet in gentoo would blindly use this default
Luke-Jr: I don't have that exact number.
thickasthieves: we'll say 7 then
bounce: then that's still no argument. also you're not answering the question.
mircea_popescu: it looks eerily accurate
Luke-Jr: bounce: it's appropriate for everyone, just not every*thing*
thickasthieves: which people are things?
Luke-Jr: bounce: and we wouldn't want to *force* it on anyone
Luke-Jr: thickasthieves: the reference code is a thing
bounce: this makes no sense
thickasthieves: the default in gentoo is a thing
mircea_popescu: look, it's really simple. gentoo doesn't give a shit about bitcoin, it's yet another crackpot app as far as they're concerned. at some internal review it was determined it's much too buggy to be in main, and so it got put wherever they put retarded shit, and put someone in charge of it, in this case luke. the someone in charge is doing weird shit to it, as you'd expect of someone in charge of a buggy piece of shit not
mircea_popescu: in main, whether it be luke or not.
mircea_popescu: none of this is remarkable, but in fact functioning as intended.
Luke-Jr: thickasthieves: the default in gentoo is for highly technical users to judge; the reference code is for developers to read
thickasthieves: basically, it's his domain until it isnt
bounce: well, at least someone thought up a nice logo for bitcoind-ljr.
mircea_popescu: if you're the sort of gentoo/linux/foss user that downloads and runs buggy pieces of shit, you're expected to either a) be conversant in code and fix em or else b) not run production.
mircea_popescu: lmao. dude... anyone can do that. including the derp writing the report.
thickasthieves: ;;estimate
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 32873538172.4 based on data since last change | 34777196895.2 based on data for last three days
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28697 @ 0.0007432 = 21.3276 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: so it turns out deedbot got haxed.
mircea_popescu: ;;rated molokodesk
gribble: You rated user molokodesk on Tue Sep 30 07:54:20 2014, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: b-a deedsbot dev. AAA would hire again..
mircea_popescu: ;;rate molokodesk -1 meh.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user molokodesk has changed from 2 to -1.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: That's the .com, the parking lot control company
mircea_popescu: !up gustaf
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23700 @ 0.00074421 = 17.6378 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: !up disident
disident: hi huys
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell thestringpuller New high, 924 views over 459 persons per Wordpress stats
gribble: The operation succeeded.
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 315045.65 in 353 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -83.23
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56214 @ 0.0007468 = 41.9806 BTC [+] {4}
mircea_popescu: wp stats are junk rly
BingoBoingo: Yeah, but until the quantcast is fed...
BingoBoingo: I'll be back in a few hours
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15671 @ 0.00074875 = 11.7337 BTC [+]
assbot: Luke-Jr's public apology for poor Gentoo packaging default : Bitcoin
bounce: well, that's something. IMO a blacklist on actors in the system is still entirely the wrong thing to even have. if you want to filter "abusive" txes you'd have to have some objective measure and preferrably a deterministic detection algorithm of abusiveness.
assbot: Digital Asset Liquidity Provider Melotic Closes $1.175 Million Seed Round
bounce: why does one need a million to start an exchange?
thickasthieves: cuz you want your devs to stay for more than 10min?
thickasthieves: $1m aint much for an exchange
thickasthieves: it's a lot for a Bitfunder, sure
RagnarDanneskjol: but its Curated!
thickasthieves: curated is like saying they take responsibility for 3rd part listings, but not
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13479 @ 0.00074436 = 10.0332 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35324 @ 0.00074432 = 26.2924 BTC [-] {2}
kakobrekla: <mircea_popescu> so it turns out deedbot got haxed. < O_o
RagnarDanneskjol: yea good times. punkman says he's making progress on a pyth version
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5640 @ 0.00074116 = 4.1801 BTC [-]
[]bot: Bet placed: 2 BTC for Yes on "Light Sweet Crude Oil (WTI) Feb 2015 to drop under $80 before 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1052/ Odds: 76(Y):24(N) by coin, 74(Y):26(N) by weight. Total bet: 4.05 BTC. Current weight: 66,414.
asciilifeform: re: gentoo & ljr: i'd like to suggest a new patch to the latest bitcoind. if the day of the month is odd, format hdd.
asciilifeform: when read the news, had the idea that ljr was trying to accomplish something like the above.
asciilifeform: (put a bullet through a long-overdue zombie)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40614 @ 0.00074025 = 30.0645 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38050 @ 0.00074172 = 28.2224 BTC [+]
wywialm: hi all
mike_c: I feel a little dirty. I'm getting more traffic from google now because I have a page for every bitbet. oops.
kakobrekla: gah mike same here!
thickasthieves: you can always be together at least
mike_c: if we were cool enough it would just be one infintiely scrolling page.
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> so it turns out deedbot got haxed. << deets?
thickasthieves: market's bleedin
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25700 @ 0.00074442 = 19.1316 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 2.71397168 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 236 satoshi per share
ben_vulpes: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 354.97, Best ask: 355.76, Bid-ask spread: 0.79000, Last trade: 354.97, 24 hour volume: 35089.03268405, 24 hour low: 349.0, 24 hour high: 390.0, 24 hour vwap: 369.022564073
mike_c: he meant the play exchanges (nasdaq)
thickasthieves: meant wall st, btc will probly rebound soon
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.11149742 BTC to 15`474 shares, 7183 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 130 @ 0.01391002 = 1.8083 BTC [-]
ben_vulpes: i'm trying the taleb approach to noise reduction
thickasthieves: ;;estimate
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 38036136893.6 based on data since last change | 34836558052.4 based on data for last three days
thickasthieves: youre gonna tweet out of phase noise all day?
ben_vulpes: no, i'm just trying to not watch the markets.
ben_vulpes: "don't denominate the btc in usd, and vice versa"
thickasthieves: pretty thick nerdy joke though, tyvm
ben_vulpes: ya i was surprised ;)
thickasthieves: insultplement
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24495 @ 0.00074172 = 18.1684 BTC [-]
ben_vulpes rolls eyes
thickasthieves: ;;8ball will btc ever see $350 again?
gribble: The outlook is hazy, please ask again later.
asciilifeform: afaik nobody actually cares how many pictures of ben franklin one can get for 1 btc. but if 1 btc buys, say, computer, or tractor, or half a year of food, etc.
thickasthieves: the curve would drop off at a point, right?
thickasthieves: i suppose it's possible for bitcoin to be worth more than all the transactable equity in the world
thestringpuller: what is this luke-jr thing going on?
thickasthieves: the logs sum it up
thestringpuller: flipping back
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14400 @ 0.00074122 = 10.6736 BTC [-] {2}
thestringpuller: ah not so bad.
thestringpuller: glad it was caught tho
pete_dushenski: so i riffed off pankkake's node tutorial and inserted a few more instructions
pete_dushenski: i also managed to sort out the errors i was encountering in debian.
pete_dushenski: such skillz!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32872 @ 0.00073946 = 24.3075 BTC [-] {2}
pete_dushenski: there are now less than 7000 active nodes :(
The20YearIRCloud: What's luke-jr do?
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: so it turns out deedbot got haxed. << preventing this was only $1200/mo indefinitely ;)
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski not even, different pentester.
Apocalyptic: <pete_dushenski> there are now less than 7000 active nodes :( // I don't know where you're getting your data from, but if it's solely based on https://getaddr.bitnodes.io/ it's wrong
assbot: Global Bitcoin nodes distribution - Bitnodes
asciilifeform: so back to telegraph ?
Apocalyptic: as these only publish publicly reachable nodes
asciilifeform: go hax telegraph.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski you really should know better than taking bitcoin "foundation" shit at face value yo.
pete_dushenski: Apocalyptic: aic
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: how did i do that?
asciilifeform read the published script, sees nothing to verify installation of particular known-hygienic classical ver. of bitcoind
mircea_popescu: right under "this project is powered by"
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: this i know! any suggestions for how to remedy this??
mircea_popescu: nothing good short of running some decent nodes
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: and where might i find the scripts for this?
mircea_popescu: for running a node you mean ?
pete_dushenski: 0.9.3 is obviously dirt but how would one go about installing 0.6.x on a vps?
mircea_popescu: well you get the code off the repository and compile it
mircea_popescu: or if you trust anyone, you get a binary from them
pete_dushenski: the instructions in my "guide" definitely need improvement. currently point people towards latest bitcoind
pete_dushenski: as per pankkake's script
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: right.
mircea_popescu: generally the people involved in bitcoin to this level kinda have the history, and a complete file of historical versions and so on.
mircea_popescu: i guess it's an interesting question, "what's the new guy to do". bunch of playing catchup it seems
thestringpuller: how did deedbot get hacked?
asciilifeform: n00b, as in any serious business, must apprentice to another.
pete_dushenski now accepting offers for binary of bitcoind 0.6.x for contravex guide.
asciilifeform: or make good friends with the nuts and bolts alone, for ages.
mircea_popescu: but actually his is a legitimate request. i guess im adding this to the "wanted maintainer for eulora binaries" thing : wanted maintainer for bitcoin binaries.
mircea_popescu: anyone want to do a bunch of compiling and sign stuff ?
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: ketchup is fine. just have to have a little direction :)
pete_dushenski: danielpbarron or maybe bingoboingo?
asciilifeform: did somebody once put up a bounty for ms-dos build of bitcoind ('slip/ppp' over rs232 for netpipe, presumably) ? or did i dream this
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell pankkake hey listen, how much would you want to compile and sign a bunch of code ? specifically eulora codebase and proper bitcoind (.6-.7 versions) ? gentoo and whatever else you can stomach.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if they did i don't recall it
asciilifeform: must have been dream.
mircea_popescu: tbh the msdos stack bug carnival + bitcoin bug carnival would be one sad hell.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] [PAID] 1.75950926 BTC to 29`438 shares, 5977 satoshi per share
pete_dushenski: following footnote added to "the node guide": Disclaimer! This Guide sets up the latest version of bitcoind, which is obviously a piece of fucking Bitcoin Fundation shit on a stick. This Guide will be updated with instructions on setting up bitcoind 0.6-0.7 asap.
bounce: dos can talk ethernet, see "crynwr" packet drivers for one.
mircea_popescu: bounce does it talk internet well tho ?
thestringpuller: ;;seen nubbins`
gribble: nubbins` was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 0 hours, 12 minutes, and 21 seconds ago: <nubbins`> ;o
bounce: noooo, not really. it's dos.
mircea_popescu: kinda my point. bitcoind makes a bunch of assumptions about what it can do to the internet
asciilifeform: dos can talk ethernet << you want something as hardware nonspecific as possible.
asciilifeform: hence rs232.
mircea_popescu: wasn't exactly "designed from the ground up with portability in mind"
thestringpuller: bitcoin is rather portable tho
thestringpuller: as opposed to say a video game...
mircea_popescu: a qt based video game ? no.
asciilifeform: if seriously considering this, note that you will need a number of nontrivial bolt-ons - ability to mount >2gb file system, for one thing
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what sonny, you're too good for volume swaps ?
mircea_popescu: INSERT NEXT DISK AND PRESS OK
asciilifeform: (easiest solution: forget file system in the 1st place, just use raw block device. and then you don't even need msdos for anything.)
mircea_popescu: you do, yes, inasmuch as afaik it's compiled on 16 bit with a bunch of strange as what's maxint. won't even be able to reference half the arrays becayse they smash various stacks
asciilifeform: communicate with net through slip, via one serial line; accept commands & return output through another; deal with key material through a third.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: who said anything about 16bit. dos4gw!
mircea_popescu: well if that's how you're going to go about it, how about running deathtrack in an emulator while linux handles bitcoin and call it a msdos bitcoind ?
mircea_popescu: but dos4gw is NOT ms-dos is it.
asciilifeform: hence idea, just dispense with the msdos
asciilifeform: and run on metal.
mircea_popescu: "my solution for fixing this guy's liver is to dispense with the guy"
asciilifeform: they shoot horses don't they (tm)
mircea_popescu: "the liver is fine, it's all that other shit sround it"
bounce: "something as hardware nonspecific as possible" meaning the shittiest and slowest option you can think of is a bit of a non-argument really.
asciilifeform: obligatory:
assbot: Return Infinity - Pure64
mircea_popescu: bounce i think stan's a bit of a masochist rly.
asciilifeform: (i have my own very similar widget, that i've used for 'number crunching' tasks where an os just wastes cycles)
bounce: you'd need a tcp/ip stack linked to your program meaning that as soon as it quits the box is off the 'net, but whatever it's configured to use it'll use.
asciilifeform: people act as if tcp/ip were a moon rocket
asciilifeform: that no one man could ever hope to repeat with own hands.
mircea_popescu: but it is. and you can repeat with own hands, as a model
mircea_popescu: not as an actual moon rocket.
bounce: oh, you can implement a tcp/ip stack, apparently not too much work. making it work well, especially tcp, is going to be a bit more work though.
mircea_popescu: making it take off and become what EVERYONE uses is going to be a lot more work than that.
bounce: no idea how many man-hours or how it compares to, say, implementing a new compiler for some nicely convoluted language.
mircea_popescu: lisp never managed, for instance. neither did python. etc.
Apocalyptic: asciilifeform, a shame the website thought it would be a good idea to use javascript popups as links
asciilifeform: lol i never see popups
Apocalyptic: neither do I
Apocalyptic: I just see links like "javascript:popCentered('pure64-manual.html',%20'900',%20'450',%20'manual');" and makes me sad
mircea_popescu: bounce not nearly as hard as a compiler, if you mean a tight optimizing compiler. otherwise, rms has been writing compilers in a day and a half on emacs.
asciilifeform: for all i know, it formats your hdd if you're running win98
mircea_popescu: they suck, but hey.
asciilifeform: or the like.
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic the notion of javascript:pop makes me sad.
mircea_popescu: did they implement javascript:sendushatemail(); ?
asciilifeform: anyway the link is because that fellow's site is the only place where you find everything you need to initialize an x86-64 all in one place.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: lol i read "send-dush-hate-mail"
mircea_popescu: ate mail lol
asciilifeform: last version i read, disk i/o was implemented via 'pio' vs dma, so not optimal. but ought to suffice for just about any practical use.
pete_dushenski: with cheez.
asciilifeform: 'send u shate mail'
asciilifeform: ('shate' - past tense of 'shit' in world where shitting and eating are closely linked semantically more so than for us? as in 'ate')
mircea_popescu: in english it's actually shit shat shat
asciilifeform: english loses.
mircea_popescu: eat ate ate is reasonably related.
assbot: Antarctic ice at ALL TIME RECORD HIGH: We have more to learn, says boffin The Register
pete_dushenski: those poor, cute penguins!
The20YearIRCloud: RentalStarter dividend announced - 0.00003100 per share
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski oh, that's how you say "we fucked up royally and lost any possible shred of crediblity" in government-scientistalese now ? "we have more to learn" ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: traditionally it's 'more studies needed'
mircea_popescu: this, incidentally, is why it's unwise for people aspiring to science to get involved in politics.
asciilifeform: (in usa)
mircea_popescu: if you support policy with your "findings" you ruin your career once those findings turn out to be not truth, but mere science.
mircea_popescu: because no, no study produced by ANY PERSON who ever produced a "global warming" piece of "research" can ever be used for any scientific purpose whatsoever.
mircea_popescu: they're dead, for that profession.
bounce: more of a problem with politics' unhealthy relationship with science-as-convenient-truth than a problem in science. though science has its share of problems.
mircea_popescu: bounce not a problem of science, of course, but a problem of scientists, actual and aspiring.
asciilifeform: if only it were just that one field, that was lysenkoized.
mircea_popescu: for instance, about 98% of english speaking people involved in earth studies just rendered themselves
asciilifeform: !up devthedev
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform matters not. the lord doesn't aim to kill sin, merely as many sinners as can get hands on.
devthedev: You're right mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: !up disident
mircea_popescu: get in the wot will you.
asciilifeform: http://www.vaikan.com/man-vs-machine << mega-lol. chicom lifted the ancient turd.
assbot: | IT
assbot: Antarctic ice at ALL TIME RECORD HIGH: We have more to learn, says boffin The Register Forums
pete_dushenski: "The Earth hasn't warmed for > 18 years and counting. CO2 meanwhile continues to increase. Ergo. No connection between CO2 and global temperature. CAGW is false."
devthedev: Yeah, I'm not pro climate change
mircea_popescu: am i the only one who is amused by the strict similarity between the "o we know how climate works ; listen to us to fix what's broken with earth's industry" of these muppets and the "o, we know how hardware will work in the future ; listen ot us to fix what's broken with bitcoin" of the BF sponsored muppets ?
assbot: truthermn2 comments on A moment of silence please...
mircea_popescu: it seems the exact same sort of entirely broken, pseudoscientific, narcissistic gung-ho idiocy
bounce: the google translation contains a typical english grammar error (it's instead of its). how chinesely interesting.
mike_c: ;;seen diana_coman
gribble: diana_coman was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 days, 1 hour, 50 minutes, and 0 seconds ago: <diana_coman> I'm to blame for Sweete__ being here, since he pm-ed me about trading and I asked him why wasn't he in here if he was a trader
devthedev: Bitcoin.org - Website contains prohibited File Sharing content.
mircea_popescu: lolwut ?!
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: it's exactly that parallel: both teams of tards belong to a religion sans eglise
mircea_popescu: then zeke is all "o, not possible to be stooges". duh. what else are they ?
devthedev: mircea_popescu: It's on the school's blacklist.
mircea_popescu: convenient idiots ? tyvm, it's exactly anderpopolous' line. "i'm not really shilling, i'm just stupid. buy my shit!"
thestringpuller: I can't write software so I wrote a book!
asciilifeform: as i understand, a genuine 'useful idiot' by definition has to act unwittingly
Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, like Karpeles and the like
asciilifeform: otherwise he's just 'useful' (while possibly also, 'idiot')
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's such bs. you know how the soviets worked, right ? all the scum reporting to the nkvd "had to", right ?
mircea_popescu: they weren't really aware what it is they're doing, right ?
asciilifeform: those aren't 'useful idiots' thought
mircea_popescu: half of leningrad died in one night because a bunch of people "weren't really doing" what they were doing.
asciilifeform: those are 'useful'
mircea_popescu: laissez svp.
assbot: Logged on 25-03-2014 20:41:17; asciilifeform: Officially, all Soviet representatives regard these parasites with touching feelings of friendship, but privately they call them 'shit-eaters' ('govnoed'). It is difficult to say where this expression originated, but it is truly the only name they deserve. The use of this word has become so firmly entrenched in Soviet embassies that it is impossible to imagine any other name for these people. A conver
mircea_popescu: the female ability to reclassify rape as consensual and consensual as rape and to negotiate her own presence in the circumstances of her being does exactly jack shit for any discussion of reality.
mircea_popescu: which is why business has the concept of "knew or should have known". cuz it makes exactly no difference whether he "actually" knew.
asciilifeform: for purposes of chumpatronic engineering, it does indeed matter whether the chump needs a leash, coaxing, or mere suggestion to jump into the hopper.
mircea_popescu: these aren't distinguishable in the field. the nominal distinction follows mood or at best tradition.
mircea_popescu: objective difference there isn't.
asciilifeform: makes a difference what part of his hindbrain you pwned to get him to walk the plank
asciilifeform: e.g., lust, sloth, avarice
pete_dushenski: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/releases << 0.6-0.7 zip and tar files are here, just unsure how to modify pankkake's node.sh script with them…
assbot: Releases bitcoin/bitcoin GitHub
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform these are also not pure categories in nature. their distinction follows tradition
asciilifeform: but engineer must live with brute abstractions at times.
mircea_popescu: no argument, but let's not forget they aren't in the world.
asciilifeform: 'map is not territory, but the territory does not fit in your glove compartment.'
assbot: Bitcoin history: The BearWhale of 2012 : Bitcoin
asciilifeform: !s bot rape
asciilifeform: ^ obligatory
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7550 @ 0.00074021 = 5.5886 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15914 @ 0.00073941 = 11.767 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: ClubOrlov: Ebola and the Five Stages of Collapse
mircea_popescu: the problem with drinking the coolaid and starting to perceive yourself as "of a field" is that you end up with this obligatory slag.
mircea_popescu: "o, x is in the news , i gotta write about it then1"
mircea_popescu: soon enough all the forced writing kills your spark and then you're dead.
thestringpuller: ;;calc 2000000 / 11
gribble: 181818.181818
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25000 @ 0.00073931 = 18.4828 BTC [-] {4}
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: yup, no spark, no life.
pete_dushenski: and with that, ima check y'all later!
mircea_popescu: it's one thing doing news pieces because that's the news. but people writing blogs aren't doing newspieces, they're doing editorial, and the news burnout is a century old, well known and documented mode of failure for editors.
bounce: feeding random bits to that vaikan thingy makes me lose 2:1. seems that giving the thing a pass option gives it an unfair advantage.
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 356.03, Best ask: 357.19, Bid-ask spread: 1.16000, Last trade: 356.03, 24 hour volume: 31630.34152670, 24 hour low: 349.0, 24 hour high: 380.94, 24 hour vwap: 364.911597788
asciilifeform never met an apocalyptic hypothetical megadeath that herr orlov doesn't love.
assbot: Important step towards separating our bitcoin biz from /SecondMarket. The name.Introducing...Digital Currency Group http://t.co/s4Hld235bP
thickasthieves: "Invest. Build. Grow."
thickasthieves: Digital Currency Group
mike_c: the name is hardly enough barry. where's the logo?
bounce: anthropomorphic sugarcubes! with chainsaws!
bounce: oh wait, that's for something else. n'mind.
assbot: DIGITAL CURRENCY GROUP - Reviews & Brand Information - SECONDMARKET HOLDINGS, INC. New York, NY - Serial Number: 86316071
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: (put a bullet through a long-overdue zombie) << zombie being what, people running gentoo through an emulator on windows ?
mircea_popescu: !up princessnell
mircea_popescu: heh wrong one
mircea_popescu: !up princessnell_
princessnell_: ty
princessnell_: i have a transcript of the andreas testimony
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> so it turns out deedbot got haxed. << deets? << someone put a random deed up there, i linked it above the comment.
mircea_popescu: princessnell_ the one he published or the one he acutally gave ?
princessnell_: the whole thing: his opening statements and Q&A
mircea_popescu: cool. summarize, comment and submit.
mircea_popescu: add the full minutes as an add-on file to be linked from your article for the perennially curious
mike_c: i linked it above the comment. << that link 404'd for me.
mircea_popescu: mike_c well i guess it got deleted meanwhile. it just said "owned like a pony" or something
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves: i suppose it's possible for bitcoin to be worth more than all the transactable equity in the world <<< this is actually one of the largest, most interesting questions in bitcoin finance.
mircea_popescu: it doesn't have a good answer. on one hand, fiat currency can never meet the total asset value, for very well understood reasons.
mircea_popescu: superficially, if one thinks btc is a drop-in replacement for fiat (which it isn't, just like car isn't exactly a drop in replacement for tricycle) one'd expect the same to hold
mircea_popescu: however, because bitcoin will be hoarded in general and transacted rarely, it is quite possible for there to appear a new macroeconomics equation :
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60598 @ 0.00073906 = 44.7856 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: (hoarded btc) + traded btc = traded property + (hoarded property)
mircea_popescu: this is perhaps going to be the one thing economists of the future will be trying to keep in balance.
assbot: MMA Fighter Live-Tweets Police Standoff While Holed Up In House
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell wywialm there's one for you : http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-10-2014#867881
assbot: Logged on 10-10-2014 18:21:00; mircea_popescu: thickasthieves: i suppose it's possible for bitcoin to be worth more than all the transactable equity in the world <<< this is actually one of the largest, most interesting questions in bitcoin finance.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
bounce: ``Patrick Murck of the Bitcoin Foundation stated that "the people that do this stuff should burn in hell" and they are working to stop Bitcoin from being used for illicit activity.'' -- clowns be clownin'
mircea_popescu: lol what's he going to say.
mircea_popescu: "fuck you and get used to making the laws you can enforce as opposed to making the laws your delusions require" ?
mircea_popescu: not his line.
bounce: "not condone" yadda yadda would've been plenty
mircea_popescu: amusingly, bitcoin is working fro mstopping murck &co's illicit activities.
mircea_popescu: not particularly curious as to how that confrontation's gonna end out. seen too many tards try to spit up.
bounce: oh it's not really a surprise, but his is supposedly a PR club, not a policing club. not smart to get mired in that swamp.
mircea_popescu: since when did the us agents do the smart thing ?
mircea_popescu: they've already won the war on drugs, the war on poverty and the war on terrorism.
mircea_popescu: fourth's a charm.
bounce: oh yes ticker tape parades any day now
mircea_popescu: o which reminds me, did the doom zerohedge announced as a given manifest in the fx markets yet ?
mircea_popescu: that site's so funny, it's been declaring the world ends tomorrow so convincingly and for so long by now its only audience are people who actually factually believe the world ends tomorrow, each and every day. so there's this palpable atmosphere of
mircea_popescu: "nigga please, the world ? it's so ended already!"
assbot: security - Why is this commit that sets the RSA public exponent to 1 problematic? - Stack Overflow
mats_cd03: interesting to me, since i know about zero things re: rsa.
bounce: it's been ages but an exponent of one isn't a great idea, no. they shipped with that? oops. (could see it as another reason why you don't implement crypto yourself; you use a well-vetted library, as in written by cryptographers and then read by other cryptographers)
mircea_popescu: bounce except this would meet the definition of "well vetted" as commonly deployed.
mircea_popescu: you are in fact better off using homebrew than "well vetted", inasmuch as the western world is in denial about exactly what "well vetted" means as well as what "working towards stopping use for illicit activity" means
thestringpuller: remember that point you brought up about someone reading a newspaper article about a field they are well versed in. That person says, "Wow holes everywhere" etc. Then he moves to article from field he is less familiar with and just agrees with it?
thestringpuller: I think this was you mircea_popescu no?
mircea_popescu: so no, i'd trust anything nist/ieee/etc certified a lot less than i'd trust random shit.
mats_cd03: its all relative, i suppose.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller possibly i brought it up here, but otherwise it's old scool.
thestringpuller: so if this is the case how is the n00b to even decide?
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03 you know how if you install wordpress you're supposed to change the pre-generated salt to something ?
mircea_popescu: in cryptography, every constant's a salt. you're well advised to change ALL constants
mats_cd03: i don't know anything about the web
mircea_popescu: if the code stops working you shouldn't have been using it in the first place
mircea_popescu: mp best practices of crypto, volume I (r)
mats_cd03: i think i might see schneier again sometime in the near future
mats_cd03: have any questions you want answered?
mircea_popescu: what/how much they paid him, but he won't answer that one.
mats_cd03: besides, you know, 'whats your handler's name'
mats_cd03: oh, you beat me to it.
rithm: what's the meaning of life other than 42?
mircea_popescu: his handler's name is not as hard to infer.
mircea_popescu: there's not that many handlers, they drive cars, they have wives, it's a solved problem.
thestringpuller: in the future we will have nanomachines that prevent us from physically disclosing our handler. that will be a scary time.
bounce: uhm. looks like I forgot to take notes last time I had beef with some of what he was saying and forgot to keep up in the meantime. oh well.
chetty: <thestringpuller> in the future we will have nanomachines that prevent us from physically disclosing our handler. that will be a scary time.//pls tell me at least a day ahead of this
mircea_popescu: bounce this is why keeping a blog is so important
mircea_popescu: i'd lose 90% of my shit if i didn't write it down
bounce: oh I have my notes, just didn't jot that one down
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: like that time the eulora gameplay post was almsot lost forever?
mircea_popescu: yeah srsly.
assbot: SoundCloud - Hear the worlds sounds
mats_cd03: from an old issue, titled 'once upon a free()' http://phrack.org/issues/57/9.html
assbot: .:: Phrack Magazine ::.
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell pete_dushenski You know there's another guide. Paid for rather than wrote this one. http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/05/02/building-bitcoin-0-7-2-on-openbsd/
assbot: Building Bitcoin 0.7.2 on OpenBSD | Bingo Blog
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: Poor punctuation leads to Windows shell vulnerability | Ars Technica
bounce: those wily belgians trying to make a name for themselves in time-honoured fashion: "sound scary? read on!"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12500 @ 0.0007402 = 9.2525 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17064 @ 0.00074021 = 12.6309 BTC [+]
rithm: oh yeah i read about ^ earlier
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16900 @ 0.0007402 = 12.5094 BTC [-]
assbot: Hospitalist Abusing Copy and Paste...In Paper Charts - Medical Satire - GomerBlog
BingoBoingo: http://www.gomerblog.com/2014/10/pet-therapy/ << “Adults are bigger and furrier than kids, so it was simple,” explained Westchester Medical Center CEO James Piccadilly. “Bears are bigger and furrier than dogs.”
assbot: Hospital Pilots Pet Therapy with Black Bears, Grizzlies - Medical Satire - GomerBlog
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6750 @ 0.0007402 = 4.9964 BTC [-]
devthedev: Digital Currency Group, interesting.
mike_c: it's like secondmarket, but different.
mats_cd03: https://casetext.com/case/kennar-v-kelly-2 << heh. sued the IRS for RICO violations
mats_cd03: quite clever IMO, but no dice. sovereign immunity.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30820 @ 0.00074209 = 22.8712 BTC [+] {2}
The20YearIRCloud: Well, we closed on property #10 today
The20YearIRCloud: Once we're at 100% occupancy we'll be almost right at $10k/mo in revenues
mike_c: decent profit margins?
kakobrekla: great dividend roi
kakobrekla: !t h rent
assbot: [HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00458100 / 0.00472061 / 0.00489499 (9 shares, 0.04248546 BTC), 7D: 0.00400000 / 0.00424006 / 0.00529752 (1978 shares, 8.38684071 BTC), 30D: 0.00383331 / 0.00644294 / 0.00750000 (13985 shares, 90.10447998 BTC)
kakobrekla: seems to be stuck to 0.45 no matter what btc or you do or is it just me
kakobrekla: 0.0045 even
The20YearIRCloud: 70% mike_c
The20YearIRCloud: Although that's gonna go down as we lever, but as of property #10, our costs are a little under 30% of revenues
kakobrekla: (im just thinking re your idea of being a hedge)
mike_c: kakobrekla: yeah for last 5 months.
The20YearIRCloud: kakobrekla: you're right, and i've been buying about as much as I can
The20YearIRCloud: The property I just got is a smoking deal. $30k purchase, about $2k in rehab if that, will bring in $1050/mo rented with about $300/mo in costs (Taxes, insurance, repairs)
kakobrekla: id call fire department on smoking property
kakobrekla: quick
cazalla: ;;later tell princessnell just missed you, was sleeping
gribble: The operation succeeded.
devthedev: Good evening everyone
cazalla: morning
devthedev: Hey cazalla
danielpbarron used BingoBoingo's instructions to compile bitcoind 0.7.2 on OpenBSD 5.5
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Well the ones I asked some Indian kid to do for money and then diginork beat him to the prize when he no-show'd
danielpbarron: i have instructions on compiling ssss-0.5 on OpenBSD 5.5 if anyone is interested
bounce: submit it as a port?
danielpbarron: ;;rated gilgameshugga
gribble: You rated user gilgameshugga on Sat Jul 19 13:35:03 2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: figured out how to compile ssss-0.5 on openBSD5.5 for a 0.1 BTC bounty http://danielpbarron.com/ssss/openBSD5.5.asc.txt.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell princessnell cazalla !
gribble: The operation succeeded.
cazalla: she sent an email so it's all good
mircea_popescu: <mats_cd03> quite clever IMO, but no dice. sovereign immunity. << exactly.
mircea_popescu: now if only someone made a site that wasn';t a retarded ball of javascript
mircea_popescu: what is with these people, seriously.
mircea_popescu: google has this "document" format that's basically just a bunch of spurious javascript
mircea_popescu: then everyone copied it. casetext.com in this exampole
mircea_popescu: but there's a bunch of them. the retarded crowd that does videos instead of articles tends to send links to them instead of plain text.
bounce: "REST" is all the rage these days, and is obviously a fine and good excuse to push off all the processing into the client (and thereby reinventing just about everything, badly), instead of, oh, having the server process all that or just serving up the content right away.
mircea_popescu: fuck them with a used toilet brush
mircea_popescu: and fuck whoever came up with the soap-rest false dichotomy, too.
bounce: ah, of course it's extra-doubly-criminal if you are a /former/ american doing all that outside of the US
bounce: ``The founder of Liberty Reserve, a virtual currency used by cybercriminals around the world to launder proceeds of their illegal activity, was extradited from Spain and arrived in the United States this afternoon.'' -- so, uhm, why aren't they even investigating the current owners and propagators of that much more widely currency used by criminals, "cyber" and otherwise, world-wide?
mircea_popescu: because this guy passed his things off as dollars
mircea_popescu: something anyone with any sense could have told him will never float unless he also has an army.
bounce: did he? oh dear.
mircea_popescu: yeah, he did
mircea_popescu: and it was pretty derpy/insane to boot. i mean literally, going by shops, telling random people that hey, this is as much a dollar as that.
BingoBoingo: As far as I understand it Liberty Reserve was basically just Dollar Hawala, except derpier
mircea_popescu: well no, it was Bollar, like Bucci
mircea_popescu: cazalla dude this chick can write. let it not be said all qntra articles are short ever again lol
cazalla: i know eh
bounce: though even if he'd shouted high and low it was something else entirely that just happened to carry the exact same unit value as a us dollar they'd still hang him on the nearest tree of accusations. they're like that. any old excuse will do.
mircea_popescu: "SENATOR GERSTEIN (1:50:40) Mr. Antonopolous, your reputation preceded you prior to your arrival. You may recall that in my introductory remarks, I did not introduce you as a Bitcoin guru, but as THE Bitcoin guru. I think that I could speak on behalf of all of the members of the committee in saying that you have more than lived up to that reputation. We greatly appreciate your presentation today. Thank you very much, t
mircea_popescu: his meeting is concluded."
mircea_popescu: this should be in the record.
mircea_popescu: gerstein addressing known shill, scammer and general clueless derp : "you're just like us! we love you here!"
bounce: birds of a feather
mircea_popescu: bounce looky, counterfactuals aren't factuals.
mircea_popescu: or in romanian, "daca si cu parca se plimbau cu-o barca. daca daca nu era, parca parca se-neca".
mircea_popescu: if and seems like were rowing in a boat. if if weren't there, seems like seems like'd have drowned.
cazalla: some quantcast stats are up https://www.quantcast.com/qntra.net
assbot: Qntra.net Traffic and Demographic Statistics by Quantcast
mircea_popescu: not bad.
BingoBoingo: Oh Quantcast and WP stats are pretty similar in the numbers
mircea_popescu: 940,806 US rank < straight in the top 1m hehe
mircea_popescu: ftr, coindesk is estimated around 20k ish daily.
mircea_popescu: ie, you're already 2-3%
assbot: Quantcast - Top Ranking International Websites
assbot: Judge Rejects Defense That FBI Illegally Hacked Silk RoadOn a Technicality | WIRED
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52750 @ 0.00073978 = 39.0234 BTC [-] {3}
thickasthieves: "Ulbricht hadn’t sufficiently demonstrated that the server belonged to him, and thus can’t claim that his privacy rights were violated by its search. "
thickasthieves: he hasnt admitted guilt, so he cant be innocent
thickasthieves: fuck me...
midnightmagic: 14:30 <+mircea_popescu> gerstein addressing known shill, scammer and general clueless derp : "you're just like us! we love you here!" << thank you
kanzure: did he claim that his property rights were violated, or that the owner's property rights were violated?
thickasthieves: he'd need to admit the server was his first
thickasthieves: it's a fucking joke
midnightmagic: it's an absurdity
midnightmagic: must the neighbour give testimoney that the police were trespassing to invalidate an apprehension? trespass is presumed, not proven.
BingoBoingo: The judge alledges he could have claimed ownership in a way that wouldn't be a confession, but which would have effectively made his taking the stand either have to end in a confession or perjury
thickasthieves: it's absurd
midnightmagic: the form of an investigation is almost the entirety of whether justice is served
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo the technicality known as "technically, i gotta eat, and these people are paying for it."
assbot: Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3B3GWQV.txt )
mircea_popescu: !up maximian
mats_cd03: ;;nethash
gribble: 261049969.639
[]bot: Bet placed: 1.5 BTC for No on "BTC tops all time high before Christmas" http://bitbet.us/bet/1033/ Odds: 21(Y):79(N) by coin, 21(Y):79(N) by weight. Total bet: 6.28503498 BTC. Current weight: 59,896.
assbot: ./koinify announced the addition of ./VinnyLingham to the advisory board and ./ofnumbers as a mentor: http://t.co/K4vpqjgrHX
mircea_popescu: “The government posits two standards of behavior: one for private citizens, who must adhere to a strict standard of conduct construed by the government,” read a final filing Tuesday. “The other for the government, which, with its elastic ability to effect electronic intrusion, can deliberately, cavalierly, and unrepentantly transgress those same standards.”
mircea_popescu: that part at least is worth taking away.
mircea_popescu: the very definition of a rogue state is "one which construes itself more powerful than the private citizen"
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you going to make that court document scan a text btw ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Yeah
BingoBoingo: 38 pages so I'll txt it a bit different. .txt file to download
mircea_popescu: textifying all the pdfs/scans idiots dump online, as well as textifying audio/video are very legitimates avenues for qntra to add value
mircea_popescu: automate as much of it as possible and then automate the remainder. twice.
mircea_popescu: got any good ocr and sound to text software atm ?
mircea_popescu: and prolly best to make it a page rather than a txt file. people want what they want when they click.
mircea_popescu: not after a dld and a notepad or w/e they use.
mircea_popescu: besides, html.
mircea_popescu: !up Takeshi
mircea_popescu: what is wcn anyway ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu> and prolly best to make it a page rather than a txt file. people want what they want when they click. << Updated this one now to have both
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> got any good ocr and sound to text software atm ? << Dunno of any yet
mircea_popescu: but im serious about the ocr and the text to speech. it can do the bulk of the work.
mircea_popescu: gives you a significant advantage.
mircea_popescu: iirc asciilifeform mentioned some pdf textualizer in the logs ?
BingoBoingo: Oh, I found a pdf textualizer, but I dunno if it handles pdfs that are just photographs of text yet
mircea_popescu: you seriously should spend a week or w/e it takes trying out ocrs and voice recognition tools and whatnot, because going forward this will remain an issue
BingoBoingo: It's going on the agenda.
mircea_popescu: being able to take a turd and turn it into readable content within an hour or a day, and being able to so process gigabytes of crud a month is, by itself, more barrier to entry than all the collective "press" has
mircea_popescu: and i don't mean coindeks. i mean wired
mircea_popescu: and if you get it to where you have to fix a letter per ten words you're way way ahead of someone who has to press pause every five seconds
mircea_popescu: not that anyone actually even exists in the cloud of vaporized shit comprising the kids-of-www that even has the drive or the intellectual werewithal to take down an hour of speech or an acre of blackboard anyway.
mircea_popescu: you'd think everyone's got a college degree means they are god damned good at exactly that. but...
BingoBoingo: Yeah, so far most of the deturdified text has been low hanging fruit, but automating the hard stuff is going to be nice sauce
mircea_popescu: definitely.
mircea_popescu: and i mean, i can tell anjie didn't sleep to do that one, which is exactly what she should have done, but once.
cazalla: have not finished reading logs but the thing i do not like about the txt version is that it's difficult to read unless it's formatted correctly
mircea_popescu: you can't have people do this by hand forever.
cazalla: i don't see the value in just copying to a post without making it readable
mircea_popescu: cazalla the point being that it's easier to format/spellcheck a predeturdified turd than to write from scratch
cazalla: better to link to a txt than include it in post than imo
bounce: formatting html or actual text? latter case, "fmt" or "par" (not par2, entirely different beast) might help
mircea_popescu: fmt is a good idea yeah
mircea_popescu: cazalla why ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5700 @ 0.00073834 = 4.2085 BTC [-]
assbot: World Crypto Network - YouTube
mircea_popescu: aha cool.
mircea_popescu: ok, so go ahead.
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu your dead man is live on that chan
mircea_popescu: wait, wut ?
kakobrekla: currently live on WCN
mircea_popescu: lol cool
BingoBoingo: OMG Zombies!
mthreat: mircea_popescu: $200 and $500 peso notes coming? http://www.ambito.com/noticia.asp?id=762332
assbot: Esbozos de billetes de $ 200 y $ 500 - Ambito.com
mthreat: it's about time, I guess. $100 pesos is worth 7 dollars
mircea_popescu: they're behind the times, should be 1k 2k and 5k
mircea_popescu: more like 6.
mthreat: i'm a week behind then ;)
mircea_popescu: ;;rated cazalla
gribble: You rated user cazalla on Wed Apr 16 22:29:03 2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: New blood..
mircea_popescu: ;;rate cazalla 2 qntra.net chief editor.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user cazalla has changed from 1 to 2.
mthreat: ;;rate mircea_popescu 3 Lunch & drinks in Buenos Aires
gribble: Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.
mthreat: bah
mircea_popescu: ;;rated mthreat
gribble: You rated user mthreat on Sat Jun 21 05:42:17 2014, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: Awesome search ; coffee.
mthreat: ;;rate mircea_popescu 3 Lunch & drinks in Buenos Aires
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 3 for user mircea_popescu has been recorded.
mthreat: finally I rated someone
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla ^
kakobrekla: +2 boohoo
mircea_popescu: what are you at yet anyway, 90something ?
kakobrekla: dunno
BingoBoingo: ;;getratings kakobrekla
gribble: Error: "getratings" is not a valid command.
bounce: it's the obvious and easily typed "ratingsystem getrating"
bounce would demonstrate but gribble has been forgetful again
thestringpuller: ;;gettrust nanotube mtgox
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user nanotube to user mtgox: Level 1: 6, Level 2: 38 via 9 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=nanotube&dest=mtgox | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mtgox | Rated since: Mon Nov 8 13:35:39 2010
BingoBoingo: ;;ratingsystem getrating kakobrekla
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. User kakobrekla, rated since Fri May 13 18:50:53 2011. Cumulative rating 148, from 77 total ratings. Received ratings: 77 positive, 0 negative. Sent ratings: 78 positive, 6 negative. Details: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=kakobrekla
thestringpuller: nice find
kakobrekla: ;;getrating kakobrekla
mike_c: <+mircea_popescu> you can't have people do this by hand forever. << that might be the easiest solution actually. set up some amazon mechanical turk automation.
thestringpuller: !ticker h am1
assbot: [HAVELOCK:AM1] 1D: 0.13500000 / 0.13812501 / 0.14000001 (8 shares, 1.10500004 BTC), 7D: 0.10010000 / 0.13283625 / 0.19210002 (1410 shares, 187.29910975 BTC), 30D: 0.10000001 / 0.15529865 / 0.26900000 (5423 shares, 842.18456297 BTC)
mircea_popescu: mike_c i wouldn't trust random fiverr derp not to mess up the words
mircea_popescu: and seeing how the very purpose of this stuff is for people to be able to do deep searches for impredictable later interests, it'd be less than useful.
mike_c: but you've got steady work, can find reliable people
mircea_popescu: people are not for steady work. machines are for steady work.
mircea_popescu: people are for unsteady work.
mike_c: yes, but machines do a crappy job of voice/pdf -> text. maybe the turks are the ones who clean it up.
mircea_popescu: (it won't scale. if one day i want to do 1tb i can just throw more chickens at it, provided it runs on chickens)
mircea_popescu: do they still ?
mircea_popescu: i was hoping 20 years later it's fixed mostly.
mircea_popescu: how does ziri work or w/e was apple calling its paperclip ?
mike_c: see the textification qntra did of the defense filing. all chopped up and stuff.
mike_c: siri doesn't have to produce a readable text though, just understand the gist.
mike_c: depends how important quality is i guess. but a rough text is painful to read to me.
mircea_popescu: quality is actulaly pretty important yeah,.
mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCfzph5dHs0 << check out the bitcoin evanghelist.
assbot: Bitcoin Poem #1 - Bitcoin is not - YouTube
assbot: Emojilisp!
ben_vulpes: the only language adequate to replace c++ for btc dev
mod6: %ob
atcbot: 7k@266 99k@255 30k@225 | 4k@185 70k@180 100k@175
mod6: %v
atcbot: [X-BT VWAP] Bid: 185 Ask: 225 Last Price: 225 30d-Vol: 179k 30d-High: 266 30d-Low: 180 30d-VWAP: 198
xanthyos: here is a btc-appropriate twitter header picture http://gyazo.com/08b6287de0ba69c0687c38a659d26c9a
assbot: Beardie Branson backs Blockchain's Bitcoin bandwagon The Register
mircea_popescu: mike_c am i not seeing something or do you not mean http://qntra.net/2014/10/andreas-antonopolous-testifies-before-canadian-senate-committee/ ? seems perfectly ok formatted
assbot: Andreas Antonopolous Testifies Before Canadian Senate Committee
assbot: Ulbricht Attorneys File Response to Government
mike_c: text is broken up
ben_vulpes: cazalla: considered emailing the defense for the unadulterated text?
cazalla: I think that's more BingoBoingo's department, I don't claim to grasp much of it tbh
mircea_popescu: not a bad idea, considering they probably want exposure. dubious if it's worth the hassle.
ben_vulpes: more hassle on their end, an email on BingoBoingo's.
thickasthieves: they want exposure
thickasthieves: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 364.26, Best ask: 365.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.74000, Last trade: 365.0, 24 hour volume: 21725.59361661, 24 hour low: 351.1, 24 hour high: 380.08, 24 hour vwap: 362.056811116
thickasthieves: time for the trip to 400-440
devthedev: mircea_popescu: I liked your analogy in regards to the Internet Watch Foundation claim.
cazalla: with that, lunch
xanthyos: 212926 <@aspirant> i dont like bitcoin
xanthyos: 212931 <@aspirant> i know almost nothing about it
mircea_popescu: !up PinkPosixPXE
mircea_popescu: xanthyos not a crime
assbot: zeeeando0oO +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
mircea_popescu: devthedev_ cool!
mircea_popescu: !up zeeeando0oO
zeeeando0oO: thank you
mircea_popescu: who're you ?
zeeeando0oO: I am xiando.
zeeeando0oO: I am not important.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell princessnell http://www.8btc.com/bitcoin-is-great-but-it-wont-fix-our-monkey-brains check it out, you're big in china
assbot: |
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: ok, so what can we do for you, xiando that is not important ?
zeeeando0oO: Share secrets. though I already get those by idling. Could I just idle and not be important and talk if I do find anything interesting to share?
mircea_popescu: most people ctually do exactly that.
mircea_popescu: ;;ident zeeeando0oO
gribble: CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'zeeeando0oO', with hostmask 'zeeeando0oO!xiando@irc.xiando.org', is identified as user 'xiando', with GPG key id 3414891E7C2FFCAA, key fingerprint 3DD672BBF97B3C48627AA9DE3414891E7C2FFCAA, and bitcoin address 1Jk4tuV82rUB31s6PUshoMHAJ1fKt5pwjv
assbot: [14:13] <xiando> I'm surprised you actually answer me for once. I did not exp - Pastebin.com
gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
assbot: [14:13] <xiando> I'm surprised you actually answer me for once. I did not exp - Pastebin.com
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user xiando has been recorded.
ben_vulpes: pahahaha what the hell
mircea_popescu: old stories.
xiando: ;;ident xiando
gribble: Nick 'xiando', with hostmask 'xiando!xiando@irc.xiando.org', is identified as user 'xiando', with GPG key id 3414891E7C2FFCAA, key fingerprint 3DD672BBF97B3C48627AA9DE3414891E7C2FFCAA, and bitcoin address 1Jk4tuV82rUB31s6PUshoMHAJ1fKt5pwjv
mircea_popescu: xiando you can self-voice by pming assbot !up
xiando: it keeps telling me I need a better WOT rating
ben_vulpes: ;;gettrust assbot xiando
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask xiando!xiando@irc.xiando.org. Trust relationship from user assbot to user xiando: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=xiando | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=xiando | Rated since: Mon Feb 18 08:34:39 2013
ben_vulpes: it'll percolate through the mud
mircea_popescu: xiando i just fixed that above. there's a delay, bout an hour or so, cause multiple cache layers.
kakobrekla: if gribble sees it, assbot will too.
xiando: Thank you.
kakobrekla: and you really tried just once, before the rating, so wtf.
kakobrekla: anyway imma go. later
mircea_popescu: anyway, not that anything karpeles [ever] said can be taken at face value, but admire the difference between mtgox and bitbet when it comes to the position of the usg. perfectly symmetrical, karpeles is "up to the usg" ; usg is up to bitbet.
assbot: Mtgox freeze money, Absurd answers of support, student desperate and out option | Bitcointa.lk
mircea_popescu: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ByxGzdECIAIHbN7.jpg:large << check out the gall of the aussie bureaucracy
mircea_popescu: "this letter can not be used for any purpose". how fucking dare they ?
thickasthieves: you are not allowed to read what i say
assbot: Identifi - mircea_popescu
thickasthieves: such css
mircea_popescu: o wait it's sirius' ?!
mircea_popescu: ;;ident sirius^
gribble: Error: I am not seeing this user on IRC. If you want information about a registered gpg user, try the 'gpg info' command instead.
mircea_popescu: ;;gpg info sirius
gribble: No such user registered.
mircea_popescu: Anduck ?
thickasthieves: "Identifi is an address book application that stores its data in a distributed fashion on the computers of its users. The stored information is not owned or centrally administered by anyone."
mircea_popescu: fucking twitter "load stuff on scrolldown"
thickasthieves: bandwidth strikes again
mircea_popescu: so apparently it actually is sirius' thing
thickasthieves: how i sit decentralized? you just compile and dl latest copy of db?
thickasthieves: with every user being a node or sumth
mircea_popescu: basically the original creator of tardstalk surreptitiously forked otc
thickasthieves: looks like it supports otc, rather than just scraping data, no?
thickasthieves: a future of wots would need to chain wots together right?
mircea_popescu: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=anduck&sign=ANY&type=SENT << there's no rating from anduck to this "identifi" identity there.
assbot: Rating Details for User 'anduck'
thickasthieves: each wot having a trust rating with another wot
mircea_popescu: but that's not what's happening here.
mircea_popescu: basically, guy imported the otc wot as-is, is not talking back to it, and is allowing users on his system to log in through shit like facebook, and make ratings.
mircea_popescu: so it's either an attack or a degenerate reimplementation. one or the other.
mircea_popescu: course nobody is answering in their otherwise barren support chan.
thickasthieves: i dont think the facebook part is a crime
mircea_popescu: depends in what sense. i wouldn't trust someone because htey're "facebook logged in"
thickasthieves: me either
assbot: Rating Details for User 'theymos'
thickasthieves: i'd still trust them less for logging in via facebook even if auth'd
mircea_popescu: basically prima facie the scammers made themselves a bootstrap fake wot.
thickasthieves: site is hanging now
thickasthieves: apparently this chan ddos'd it
mircea_popescu: well it went into the logs is the problem
mircea_popescu: don't tell the seo spammers, but google indexes stuff from the logs in ~1 minute.
thickasthieves: well we can protect from seo spammers pretty easily
The20YearIRCloud: protect what?
mircea_popescu: anyway. i wonder if the long term effect will be to help idiots get familiar with the wot (positive) or to get idiots to think they;re part of the wot on a facebook login based bootstrap website (negative)
mircea_popescu: provided of course it survives long enough to matter.
ben_vulpes: ;;gettrust luke-jr theymos
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user luke-jr to user theymos: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 11 via 6 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=luke-jr&dest=theymos | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=theymos | Rated since: Mon Nov 8 13:36:30 2010
mircea_popescu: https://login.persona.org/sign_in << holy shit, mozila persona ?!
assbot: Mozilla Persona: A Better Way to Sign In
mircea_popescu: this thing is evil
thickasthieves: requires firefox? (errors for me)
mircea_popescu: it's this mozilla evil. sort-of like the darkemail or w/e that was
thickasthieves: no one will ever use it
thickasthieves: i cant think why anyone ever would
mircea_popescu: it was launched in 2011 and abandoned in 2012, but w/e
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves kinda what irks me. so obviously wasted effort, and a lot of it. i don't think the people in question are actually nefariously motivated, but you'd think old timers'd have more sense. anyway.
thickasthieves: sometimes these things come back to life as a body part of something decent
thickasthieves: like maybe that head engineer gets into bitcoin and makes some wot stuff
thickasthieves turns down the hope.
mircea_popescu: i was talking about the identi.fi thing again
mircea_popescu: aaanyway.
mircea_popescu: ruby rots brains, it's obvious by now.
thickasthieves: i never liked the name
thickasthieves: which is obv what's important
thickasthieves: qntra seems laggy
thickasthieves: it does this thing where pages dont load but then they do
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