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JuliaTourianski: mircea_popescu and to answer your question, I'm posting things like this: "If you're gonna off yourself because of the bitcoin 'price crash', do us all a favor and turn off your mining operation first." because i mean it.
JuliaTourianski: punkman erm i can ask
cazalla: JuliaTourianski, do you mine?
JuliaTourianski: cazalla no, do u
cazalla: why would you want them to switch off before offing themselves?
cazalla: JuliaTourianski, i have a miner but it's really just for fun
punkman: JuliaTourianski: it's good for you when other's lose their coins
JuliaTourianski: cazalla one of the contributing factors is the hash rate deviating away from the price point, so if they're so upset about price crash, at least stop mining.
punkman: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 323135 | Current Difficulty: 3.466142592397694E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 324575 | Next Difficulty In: 1440 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 10 hours, 17 minutes, and 8 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 32430956879.6 | Estimated Percent Change: -6.43502
punkman: are we betting against difficulty yet
cazalla: only once and i won that bet, never again
punkman: I'm guessing the big miners can keep the lights on for a while
punkman: even at $350
cazalla: actually that's not right, i've won no a few times
decimation: people are paying to rent above what they can find mining (in btc)
The20YearIRCloud: Well, it seems my wife is in for labor, and not the fake labor
decimation: congrats!
cazalla: good luck bro
The20YearIRCloud: And interestingly enough, there's multiple contraction timers for android
ben_vulpes: midwest water birth?
ben_vulpes: > tub of corn syrup
The20YearIRCloud: We're going to the hospital
dub: just stopped to tell the internet
ben_vulpes: so 50/g corn syurp tub
The20YearIRCloud: at some point
ben_vulpes: $50/g
The20YearIRCloud: She's not a fan of the homebirth/waterbirth/ect
cazalla: just cut it out, over in 15m
ben_vulpes: cunt intact
ben_vulpes: downsides?
cazalla: downside is i had to do everything for like 6 weeks
The20YearIRCloud: Although my brother's wife was into it , and she had to end up being rushed to the hospital
ben_vulpes: modern hospitals offer modern birth
The20YearIRCloud: The recovery for C-Section is much longer, and risk of infection is much higher
ben_vulpes: dafuq is going on over there
ben_vulpes: water* birth
The20YearIRCloud: Hospitals certainly are nice, the thing I hate about some of them though is how un-clean their rooms are
ben_vulpes: can't win for america-ing
The20YearIRCloud: But thankfully the one that's near us has a specific wing for only birthing, nothing else
ben_vulpes: good grief gmail now shows a link to "view pull request in webview"
ben_vulpes: pretty sure this must be old as i don't really gmail too much
ben_vulpes: well, "view pull request" in list view of mails
cazalla: how many kids ya got The20YearIRCloud
The20YearIRCloud: 2 plus this one
cazalla: know what you're having this time?
ben_vulpes: !up Vexual
ben_vulpes: ;;ident Vexual
gribble: Nick 'Vexual', with hostmask 'Vexual!~amnesia@gateway/tor-sasl/vexual', is not identified.
Vexual: shoa
Vexual: ahh
ben_vulpes: lol Vexual can't up sober
Vexual: 20 year, think you might wanna warm the engine and check the fluids?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13317 @ 0.00075139 = 10.0063 BTC [+] {2}
The20YearIRCloud: Hospital is 5 minutes away
The20YearIRCloud: I could throw her in a wheelbarrow if I had to i guess and wal kthere
Vexual: all about the re
dub: thats what got him into this mess
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11813 @ 0.00075151 = 8.8776 BTC [+] {2}
Vexual: 10 im truly poweless
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10352 @ 0.00075272 = 7.7922 BTC [+]
assbot: gordonwritescode/cointract.me GitHub
punkman: color made me think it was python for a sec
ben_vulpes: Vexual: i dunno how to help, boss
Vexual: ne sweat, jusy keep being the boss
ben_vulpes: tasty tasty js
assbot: Cointract.me - Do work. Track time. Get coins.
ben_vulpes: fwiw i never got insight to build
ben_vulpes: "build"
Vexual: you'll be my go to guy
ben_vulpes: ran into a npm hell-tuation
ben_vulpes: punkman: " built in Laravel or another OOP PHP framework"
ben_vulpes backs away slowly
punkman: oppressed.me is a lulzy domain
Vexual: for js
assbot: Cointract.me - Do work. Track time. Get coins.
punkman: "user can choose to pay a bit extra to receive a notarized document attesting to the science and accuracy of the upload that should hold up in court without having to hire a Bitcoin expert. "
Vexual: time not important, only results
punkman: !up MolokoDesk
assbot: Mastodon "The Motherload" (Official Music Video) - YouTube
Vexual: big bada boom in the cab
Vexual looking
Duffer1: good lord
ben_vulpes: bouncy bouncy
Vexual: duly noted
assbot: If you are going to sell 0 day (which I don't recommend), using a convicted felon as a broker seems unnecessarily risky.
mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski yes i know.
mircea_popescu: <JuliaTourianski> cazalla one of the contributing factors is the hash rate deviating away from the price point, so if they're so upset about price crash, at least stop mining. << this is like the first clever thing i recall you saying
JuliaTourianski: "and then kill yourself". don't omit that
mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud> Well, it seems my wife is in for labor, and not the fake labor << mazel tov
mircea_popescu: dub> just stopped to tell the internet << the wot dood. tis important.,
The20YearIRCloud: is mazeltov one of those labor/birth things?
mircea_popescu: <punkman> color made me think it was python for a sec << lol colorcoded codes ?
mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud well it's financial for "good luck"
The20YearIRCloud: I don't know many jews/people that speek yidish
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: re commits, if an individual copied and pasted a block of code, i'm going to have a hard time believing that they actually understand it.
Vexual: i wonder if mircea_popescu knows how fortuitous it is for a dragonfly to collide with a dragons head
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes why ?
ben_vulpes: experience.
mircea_popescu: when people repeat what the priest tells them to say ?
mircea_popescu: you gonna annull all mariages now ?
ben_vulpes: copy pasted code in my experience is rarely understood.
ben_vulpes: what is a marriage? what does the priest have to say matter a whit?
mircea_popescu: point being, people copy/paste code to get married.
ben_vulpes: i don't understand all of the rules i'm bound by under the contract i've entered into with usg and lady v
ben_vulpes: what i do understand are the rules that bind her to me.
mircea_popescu: dun worry, they'll come back to byte.
Vexual: ug
ben_vulpes: that's the point i'm making - i copy pasted that code, so to speak, without understanding it.
ben_vulpes: shit's going to get messy w/r/t taxes etc
ben_vulpes: hm wat
Vexual: you tell em yuo live in the volcano in balinese, you'll soon know if theyre from java
ben_vulpes: (on another topic, i concede that you're right as always about plagiarised commits: the signature only implies responsibility for the contents)
mircea_popescu: hm im considering your theory.
mircea_popescu: seems drastic.
ben_vulpes: under lawcode, i cannot actually know what i'm bound by.
ben_vulpes: this is derived from your "no groups, only individuals" theories.
Vexual: yeah
Vexual: i know what your grandmother knows instills more frear than i know what you dont know
punkman: ben_vulpes, why marry in lawcode then?
Vexual: its better to say no and smile ho
Vexual: even better, dont bring a macbook with a million bucks and a bitcoin tshirt, the shit will dissapear before the chloroform kicks in
ben_vulpes: punkman: transfer of ownership, so to speak.
Vexual: first time in bali?
punkman: ben_vulpes: bencode don't do that?
ben_vulpes: assuredly does, but what machines run that code?
Vexual: oshit
ben_vulpes: punkman: v machine: of course. k machine: indubitably. f machine? not so much. usg machine? not in my wildest dreams.
ben_vulpes: what is a marriage to the wot?
punkman: well the two machines that matter run it
ben_vulpes: do only two machines matter?
dub: Vexual: cialis brother, valium, viaaaaaggar
Vexual: rampage
punkman: ben_vulpes: the more the merrier of course :P
Vexual: summon pankakke
Vexual: ;;gogle 212 piff
gribble: Error: "gogle" is not a valid command.
Vexual: remeber that time?
Vexual: do you even mine?
Vexual: yes yes
Vexual: yes yes
Vexual: ;;seen pankakke
gribble: I have not seen pankakke.
Vexual: ;;seen pankkake
gribble: pankkake was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 weeks, 3 days, 19 hours, 19 minutes, and 7 seconds ago: <pankkake> http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-brokers-trade-millions-without-exchange/
Vexual: how quaint
Vexual: extacy is called barney coz of the previous
Vexual: an dso is the affect of the colony petey
Vexual: you can check that on eatabilty
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuqEbRzy_t8 leave your mobile phone at home and come alone
Vexual: perlboy
pete_dushenski: nubbins`: then buy the t-shirt << cardanomerch is going to be as popular as sumerian urmerch. but hey, nonzero!
Vexual: hell do any dye you liek
Vexual: phase change and all
Vexual: ;;lasers
Vexual: really?
gribble: ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: everyone got some. derps couldn't even fire them, stuffed pants << "honey, is that a revolucion in your pocket? or..."
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: 'time was flowing at a constant rate of one second per second!'
pete_dushenski: kakobrekla:isnt that a bit fast << lel
Vexual: leets look for truths
Vexual: got any?
Vexual: will you eat bacon in australie pete?
Vexual: it's kinda becoming a thing lately
mircea_popescu: punkman> ben_vulpes, why marry in lawcode then? << lawlcode :D
pete_dushenski: Vexual: absolutely
pete_dushenski: it's kinda been a thing in north america since always
Vexual: somethong missing from taht version is the cadillac bit
Vexual: its like the prche bit, but more american
pete_dushenski: nao it's bacon-flavoured toast, coffee, pizza pops, you name it.
Vexual: pizza pop?
punkman: it pops because microwave
pete_dushenski: it's a pillsbury food-like product
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: lawskycode
Vexual: youll go better with my itinery
ben_vulpes: nite all
pete_dushenski: plastic dough wrapped around plastic cheese and pseudomeat
pete_dushenski: later ben_vulpes !
Vexual: weird cunt
Vexual: thats my little brother right there
pete_dushenski: it's sorta like a fleshlight for the mircowave
Vexual: all on js and erything else
assbot: Best Bacon Products &#150; Bizarre Bacon Food - Delish.com
Vexual: thats not a thing
assbot: Bacon Tart - Handle It - YouTube
pete_dushenski: a bacon tart is
Vexual: ill reiterate my sydney itinery with |more info if u like pete
Vexual: the ferry will cure your ails
Vexual: the boss at doyles will tell you every shit happening noetjh of the river
Vexual: china town is real
punkman: I accidentally bought a thing of "yoghurt-like dessert", they were hiding it among the real yoghurt
xanthyos: the microwaveable fleshlight is called the bagel
punkman: not sweetened or anything, why do they call it dessert
Vexual: ug yoghurt
Vexual: bring me meat
mircea_popescu: punkman because "dessert" is not a regulated word
mircea_popescu: you can call stuff scraped off the sidewalk "dessert".
pete_dushenski: https://www.youtube.com/user/EpicMealTime/videos << in case anyone here hasn't seen what american men aspire to accomplish in the kitchen
assbot: Epic Meal Time - YouTube
punkman: and "frozen dessert" for all packaged ice cream
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: you can call scraped from the pond "escargot" too
pete_dushenski: though i suppose that's a little more tightly regulated
mircea_popescu: depends where.
mircea_popescu: not in france say.
pete_dushenski: c'est quoi?
pete_dushenski: this i did not know
punkman: suggestion: escargot fried in olive oil with rosemary and bacon
punkman: if only I could get some decent bacon
Vexual: theres a place for escargot in wooloomaloo
Vexual: on the main strip
Vexual: good wine list for luch
Vexual: gets cokey after dark
Vexual: le somethng
pete_dushenski: not entirely my cup of tea but if they can do escargot properly i'm sure it ain't all bad
Vexual: well theres duck
pete_dushenski: a now we're talking
Vexual: i dont eat snails either
Vexual: the boss is asian
Vexual: yes homo
Vexual: breads good too
Vexual: dunno where hes from, mental case
Vexual: no somellier
Vexual: prolly trolly you if yu o just want wine for lunch
Vexual: can u find it pete?
pete_dushenski: i'm sure :)
Vexual: i go to syney for work sometimes and i like alcohol frriendly places
Vexual: i saw angelina jolie one time, and she dint ven connect my wifi
Vexual: such haxor
Vexual: trasnslation?
RagnarDanneskjol: whatever teh command is
Vexual: kittens?\
RagnarDanneskjol: thats the one
Vexual: ;;laserkittens
gribble: ุ ₍˄.͡˳̫.˄₎ ุ ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew*
mircea_popescu: as i'm sure cazalla will appreciate, trilema main page now only loads randomly english articles.
Vexual: such 2014
mircea_popescu: there's exactly 1006 of 'em.
Vexual: bb will be devo
pete_dushenski: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 375.15, Best ask: 376.35, Bid-ask spread: 1.20000, Last trade: 376.36, 24 hour volume: 17537.17319404, 24 hour low: 365.2, 24 hour high: 386.03, 24 hour vwap: 376.272762684
RagnarDanneskjol: 1006 trilemas?
[]bot: Bet placed: 8 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $350 before November" http://bitbet.us/bet/1034/ Odds: 53(Y):47(N) by coin, 45(Y):55(N) by weight. Total bet: 50.66946193 BTC. Current weight: 26,166.
mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol in english. there's like 5k or so in romanian
RagnarDanneskjol: Oh, well it would seem worth publishing the first 1k into hardback version. yes definetly should
mircea_popescu: 5823 actually.
mircea_popescu: that 1k is like >1mn words. would take a shelf.
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 375.17, Best ask: 376.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.83000, Last trade: 376.34, 24 hour volume: 17416.49132993, 24 hour low: 365.2, 24 hour high: 386.03, 24 hour vwap: 376.272782225
RagnarDanneskjol: that many. I have lotta reading to do. the translations are pretty rough
Vexual: all kinda girls devo, dont discount the romainian angle
RagnarDanneskjol: at least an ebook then.
punkman: mircea_popescu: dump them in mthreat's thing so we can search
RagnarDanneskjol: well, ned to pay for it somehow
punkman: you just get a snippet and link, credits as usual
RagnarDanneskjol: ok - i dont know mthreats thing
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> as i'm sure cazalla will appreciate, trilema main page now only loads randomly english articles. << I guess Imma have to get reading practice from footnotes nao...
Vexual: imma take yo to the ballet bb
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you could also use the archive, it's by month/year
mircea_popescu: punkman google does a decent jerb!
BingoBoingo: Well, I could
BingoBoingo: <Vexual> imma take yo to the ballet bb << You don't need to use code words for strip club here
Vexual: no i mean thw ballet
pete_dushenski: thickasthieves: <+jurov> thickasthieves: my area TAs are saying it will keep getting down to last year's $100-150 // tis possible << she floats like a duck, burn her!
pete_dushenski: the nutcracker!
Vexual: i talk too mxch therwe too
pete_dushenski: not enough people talk at the ballet
Vexual: never felt alspeep yet tho
punkman: !s from:mircea_popescu fuck google
assbot: 19 results for 'from:mircea_popescu fuck google' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=from%3Amircea_popescu+fuck+google
mircea_popescu: !s from:mircea_popescu i love google and want to have its babies
assbot: 0 results for 'from:mircea_popescu i love google and want to have its babies' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=from%3Amircea_popescu+i+love+google+and+want+to+have+its+babies
assbot: FireChat Messaging App Gains Users During Hong Kong Protests - Digits - WSJ
Vexual: fail
assbot: FireChat on the App Store on iTunes
[]bot: Bet placed: 2 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $350 before November" http://bitbet.us/bet/1034/ Odds: 55(Y):45(N) by coin, 46(Y):54(N) by weight. Total bet: 52.66946193 BTC. Current weight: 26,149.
Vexual: this is why kong kong apot petey
pete_dushenski: "The app is very good. The concept is also genius. What I don't care for are ma lot of people who aren't nice, or whose language isn't adequate to use when there are minors online. It's almost as if it needed a moderator in some of the chat rooms. Don't take me wrong p, I like the App a lot and that's why I gave it four stars."
pete_dushenski: ^some pretty derpy comments on the app page eg.
mircea_popescu: and on that note ima be off. laters all! see you @500 tomorro!
Vexual: cunt
Vexual: wait for 3 weeks mp
Vexual: im still liquidatinbg assets
assbot: /hashtag/sibos2014?src=hash cliff notes: finance movers & shakers love the blockchain & /VitalikButerin; shit on /hashtag/bitcoin?src=hash the currency.
pete_dushenski: fuckin assbot no le gusta hashtags
Vexual: no shit, you only jave to learn to dump shit once
pete_dushenski: more to the point, assbot can't make heads or tails of twobitidiot
Vexual: pardon me?
pete_dushenski: eh? what's to pardon?
Vexual: are you referring to me and asking for resturant advice?
pete_dushenski: neither really
Vexual: good answer
[]bot: Bet placed: 4 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $350 before November" http://bitbet.us/bet/1034/ Odds: 58(Y):42(N) by coin, 48(Y):52(N) by weight. Total bet: 56.66946193 BTC. Current weight: 26,127.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: "before than, 99% didn't give a shit about bitcoind 0.7 or .8 or .9, but CORE DEVS!!!" << sometimes the unbathed masses find glimmers of light shining through from under the door. most of them are happy to have any light at all, not even noticing that there's a door handle hitting them in the forehead. a few will see the door handle at all. fewer still will give it a twist... and end up here.
dub: sydney? eat at Mr Chows in the rocks then drink at stitch or mojo
dub: dont bother with the baxter
Vexual: wha??
pete_dushenski: a brouhaha!
Vexual: seems veryone loves the glittert city
assbot: Australias Options as It Seeks to Douse House Prices - Real Time Economics - WSJ
dub: !australia here
pete_dushenski: dub: what you can't own foreign real estate now?
pete_dushenski: Reserve Bank of Australia Governor Glenn Stevens, a long-term critic of so-called macroprudential policies aimed at dousing house prices, did an about-face last week, indicating for the first time that they may have a place. “It’s a worth a try,” Mr. Stevens said last week. “The worst that could happen is that it doesn’t have any effect.”
pete_dushenski: ^ because adverse effects are impossibru when you also control the stats dept
pete_dushenski: such lulz those central bankers
pete_dushenski: decimation: so I was listened to this podcast: http://www.econtalk.org/archives/2014/01/laurence_kotlik.html << this guy is an "economist" who says that if you total all the present liabilities of usg, they total to $205 trillion << too low? (i usually like russ btw)
assbot: " + soundfiledesc + "
Vexual: dont let nobody tax youy
cazalla: property is so fucked here
Vexual: how so?
cazalla: cost is too high so every cunt is subdividing and building even more sardine cans
Vexual: resisentiua;?
Vexual: try commerical if they dont like the lightwitch you gotta change it
Vexual: its the fuckin rools
Vexual: enhancing criminal intent
Vexual: im making goulash
cazalla: yum
cazalla: having steak and salad, gonna put some meat through the mincer so little one can have his first try of red meat
Vexual: its fail but delicious
pete_dushenski: g'day ozzies!
Vexual: let the sprog xhew it
Vexual: fucxin mincer
cazalla: he can't, almost 9 months and no teeth yet
Vexual: well let him wait
cazalla: nah, i want to get some red meat into him
Vexual: tru dat
Vexual: hes got teeth?
Vexual: dont mince it all
cazalla: no, none yet, seems like he has been teething for months but nothing has come through yet
cazalla: not so bad, missus complains he bites the titty, having teeth would make it worse
Vexual: steak then
cazalla: choking hazard
Vexual: well its steak or tit
cazalla: put it through mincer, can give him small spoonfuls at a time
Vexual: meh, its your kid
cazalla: so i'm told
Vexual: dont blame me if it somees out a furry
cazalla: lol
cazalla: see coinjar.com will be charging 10% gst on bitcoin from 3rd next month
assbot: How the New ATO Guidance Affects CoinJar Users | CoinJar Blog
Vexual: such is life
Vexual: i sold some coin thru coinjar, they took twice what i staked
Vexual: took em a week to solve it, never again
Vexual: face to face perhaps
assbot: Buju Banton - Untold Stories - YouTube
cazalla: you 2 and your nignog tunes
Vexual: lol
Vexual: itll get worse before it gets better
RagnarDanneskjol: that is odd
assbot: Com Truise - Data Kiss - YouTube
cazalla: muhfuggen bix nood
Vexual: sawahha?
assbot: FOE - A Handsome Stranger Called Death (Com Truise Remix) - YouTube
Vexual: you know cazalla a lot of that huffington interview is a bout guinea pigs and how to dispactch dem
cazalla: guinea pigs euphemism for?
Vexual: eat tehm replace them, the wholew nine kards
cazalla: have you eaten them?
Vexual: no
Vexual: i understand the concept
cazalla: seem too cute to eat
Vexual: meh
cazalla: Vexual, you been drinking all day?
Vexual: what day is it?
cazalla: tuesday
Vexual: yes
cazalla: do you know your boi bangs Vexual
cazalla: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lchaAtrwkE4 he lives in some houso area in western suburbs of melb
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Vexual: rampant victorians
MolokoDesk: deedBot is ready for another stress test. if someone wants to /invite deedBot we can give it a go.
Vexual: toothless fans liivin in vans
MolokoDesk: (looks like assbot is the only op)
RagnarDanneskjol: theres a command to sne to bot 'less you changed
RagnarDanneskjol: send to bot
MolokoDesk: oh duh.
MolokoDesk: thanx.
MolokoDesk: .dump
MolokoDesk: not voices
RagnarDanneskjol: !up deedBot
MolokoDesk: !up deedBot
MolokoDesk: .dump
deedBot: time=1412067497 LAST_BUNDLE_TIME=1412064000 elapsed=3497
deedBot: DEEDBOT_CHAN=#bitcoin-assets ERROR_CHAN=MolokoDesk INTERVAL=3600 (no pending deeds.)
MolokoDesk: that only has to be done once. in the future it won't have to be done at all. (make #bitcoin-assets the home channel)
MolokoDesk: .balance
deedBot: deedBot BTC available balance: 0.00297000 in wallet 1NTSD9jVvumurTotaW7Crqe5DfRxBrJzqu
deedBot: Bundled:
assbot: test deeds with TJ bogosity - Pastebin.com
deedBot: deed 72F18AA55B8D4EBE not trusted.
deedBot: deed 35D2E1A0457E6498 RagnarDanneskjol with 1 signature valid in next bundle
deedBot: deed 35D2E1A0457E6498 RagnarDanneskjol with 1 signature valid in next bundle
deedBot: Found 2 valid and 1 bogus deed in http://pastebin.com/BrkxYBrh
assbot: test deeds with TJ bogosity - Pastebin.com
MolokoDesk: just missed the hour mark. I see it's announing null bundles.
assbot: deedbot test 9.26.14 - Pastebin.com
deedBot: deed B98228A001ABFFC7 asciilifeform with 1 signature valid in next bundle
deedBot: deed 35D2E1A0457E6498 RagnarDanneskjol with 1 signature valid in next bundle
deedBot: Found 2 valid deeds in http://pastebin.com/QzPGJbj6
assbot: deedbot test 9.26.14 - Pastebin.com
assbot: testing - Pastebin.com
deedBot: deed B98228A001ABFFC7 asciilifeform with 1 signature valid in next bundle
deedBot: deed 35D2E1A0457E6498 RagnarDanneskjol with 1 signature valid in next bundle
deedBot: Found 2 valid deeds in http://pastebin.com/gQpeau7E
assbot: testing - Pastebin.com
RagnarDanneskjol: huh - first deed doesnt list one of the signers oddly
MolokoDesk: assbot doesn't enjoy the recapitulation of the URL
RagnarDanneskjol: all others are fine
MolokoDesk: it has unicode in the ---BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE--- header
assbot: test deeds with TJ bogosity - Pastebin.com
MolokoDesk: so it's not a valid signed message block.
RagnarDanneskjol: nope it is
RagnarDanneskjol: one from bingo
MolokoDesk: the weird unicode dashes are valid?
RagnarDanneskjol: unless he changed his key
RagnarDanneskjol: beats hell outta me
MolokoDesk: oh I see.
MolokoDesk: let me check the trust metric on that.
RagnarDanneskjol: other one is fine lists ascii and me
MolokoDesk: there's one test file that has the unicode issue. I see what you mean though here.
MolokoDesk: gribble's claiming there's no such user for that key
MolokoDesk: ;;gribble info --key 72F18AA55B8D4EBE
gribble: Error: "gribble" is not a valid command.
MolokoDesk: ;;gpg info --key 72F18AA55B8D4EBE
gribble: No such user registered.
RagnarDanneskjol: investigating
assbot: #bitcoin-otc gpg key data
RagnarDanneskjol: yep different
RagnarDanneskjol: NEVERmind - I thought that was original one with his sig
RagnarDanneskjol: forget it . is fine
Vexual: .dont wurry
MolokoDesk: wondering if assbot will ignore url's without the http ... pastebin.com/gQpeau7E
MolokoDesk: ok. I'll re-announce them without the protocol prefix
RagnarDanneskjol: i think it still does
MolokoDesk: it didn't look up the http description header that time.
RagnarDanneskjol: actually - it seems to w/ http half the time.. ses vexual's youtube pastes no, mine yes
MolokoDesk: not all web pages have a description meta tag.
assbot: Google
deedBot: No signed deeds found in http://www.google.com
assbot: Google
RagnarDanneskjol: i thought youtube would be consistent
RagnarDanneskjol: s'ppose you could sign the git commits smartly and deed them. would like to see how it reads the hub
deedBot: No signed deeds found in http://dpaste.com/3S84Z9C.txt
MolokoDesk: how large is that file?
MolokoDesk: it's a pgp encrypted message, not a clearsigned document
RagnarDanneskjol: its just an encrypted block
punkman: it's not encrypted
RagnarDanneskjol: errr, como?
MolokoDesk: what is it?
punkman: was clearsigned a requirement?
RagnarDanneskjol: thats all its meant to read
MolokoDesk: trying to mess with the file size limit.
MolokoDesk: .dump
deedBot: time=1412069094 LAST_BUNDLE_TIME=1412067601 elapsed=1493
deedBot: DEEDBOT_CHAN=#bitcoin-assets ERROR_CHAN=MolokoDesk INTERVAL=3600 (6 deeds 4005 bytes in next bundle)
MolokoDesk: .balance
deedBot: deedBot BTC available balance: 0.00297000 in wallet 1NTSD9jVvumurTotaW7Crqe5DfRxBrJzqu
MolokoDesk: there's kind of a lame way to vandalize this... just keep feeding deed files from the deed registry back into it.
MolokoDesk: I should block that.
MolokoDesk: I should wait 30 days before disclosing exploits?
MolokoDesk: we're here to break it.
assbot: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 NO CONSPIRACY AT ALL 1 36 3 - Pastebin.com
punkman: !up deedbot
RagnarDanneskjol: it had voice
punkman: nah
assbot: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 NO CONSPIRACY AT ALL 1 36 3 - Pastebin.com
deedBot: deed 33588BE08B232B13 punkman with 1 signature valid in next bundle
deedBot: Found 1 valid deed in http://pastebin.com/Si7tHXfa
assbot: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 NO CONSPIRACY AT ALL 1 36 3 - Pastebin.com
Vexual: all the ladies in washington are scrabl,ing to get outta town
Vexual: better roll your aeroplane down
punkman: does it detect duplicates?
MolokoDesk: that could be an issue if the contracts have no unique identifier in the text.
MolokoDesk: "see? you sold me 500 shares instead of one"
MolokoDesk: "one at a time"
RagnarDanneskjol: whats with those conspiracy numbers punkman, any clues - i am bad at these
Vexual: alive and dead
MolokoDesk: magic square is my guess.
Vexual: yeah
MolokoDesk: .calc 1+36+34+33+2+3
deedBot: 1 + 36 + 34 + 33 + 2 + 3 = 109
MolokoDesk: .calc 9+ 14+ 25+ 24 +11+29
deedBot: 9 + 14 + 25 + 24 + 11 + 29 = 112
MolokoDesk: rows and columns add up to ascii characters?
MolokoDesk: or a random set of numbers masquerading as an enigma.
assbot: - Pastebin.com
deedBot: deed 33588BE08B232B13 punkman with 1 signature valid in next bundle
deedBot: Found 1 valid deed in http://pastebin.com/pwMegjqA
assbot: - Pastebin.com
MolokoDesk: 6x6 = 36 it's maybe a 666 meme
Vexual: bit by a snake= dead
Vexual: it happens
MolokoDesk: .wolfram sum(1..36)
deedBot: Total[arithmetic progression | 1 to 36 | step size | 1] = 666
MolokoDesk: yeah, adds up to 666 and it's 6x6
MolokoDesk: .calc 18*18
deedBot: 18 * 18 = 324
MolokoDesk: those calculator things are the only two non-deed functions in the bot.
Vexual: ;;calc ultimate sperpant
gribble: Error: unexpected EOF while parsing (<string>, line 1)
Vexual: bwahaha
MolokoDesk: ;;calc number of the beast
gribble: Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
MolokoDesk: .calc number of the beast
deedBot: Number of the beast - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
MolokoDesk: .calc speed of light in rods per fortnight
deedBot: the speed of light = 7.21047 × 10^13 rods per fortnight
RagnarDanneskjol: ha calc is goog
Vexual: goog ist shite
Vexual: am i talking to a realbot?
MolokoDesk: i mean yeah, it's a google scrape
MolokoDesk: the module is external, it's Tao_Jones
MolokoDesk: .dump
deedBot: time=1412070227 LAST_BUNDLE_TIME=1412067601 elapsed=2626
deedBot: DEEDBOT_CHAN=#bitcoin-assets ERROR_CHAN=MolokoDesk INTERVAL=3600 (9 deeds 4005 bytes in next bundle)
Vexual: okay, if those two sommets connected by ice det too clode to su which way they spin?
MolokoDesk: is this some quantum Shakespeare thing?
Vexual: no its an astro science thing
MolokoDesk: oh the dumbell-shaped comet pair with the ice isthmus. Yeah, they could blow apart from vapor pressure or tidal forces.
MolokoDesk: they're co-orbital though and would probably collide again.
MolokoDesk: just guessing.
Vexual: collide again
Vexual: seems unlikely
MolokoDesk: two sonnets connected by in circuit emulator determinants to the algebraic group su, what't their quantum spin?
MolokoDesk: collisions like that are generally how planets form.
Vexual: one goes one way, and one goes a ltiile diff
MolokoDesk: so the orbits diverge?
Vexual: no no
MolokoDesk: you could set up a betting pool on this.
MolokoDesk: SpaceBets
Vexual: yes the orbits change
MolokoDesk: they're gravitationally bound to each other though. the solar wind and vapor pressure would have to exceed their mutual escape velocity.
MolokoDesk: there's at least one known asteroid with a moon.
Vexual: dust and ice
MolokoDesk: yeah the gravity would be fairly low. But I think gravity between ball bearings on a lab desk has been measured.
Vexual: what commet ar eyou commenting?
MolokoDesk: .wolfram mass of ida
deedBot: 243 Ida | mass = 4.12×10^16 kg (kilograms) = ~~ ( 0.008 ~~ 1/125 ) × Earth's atmosphere mass ( 5.1441×10^18 kg )
MolokoDesk: .wolfram mass of dactyl
deedBot: (no apparent answer for: mass of dactyl)
assbot: deedBot/test deed at master RagnarDanneskjold/deedBot GitHub
assbot: deedBot/test deed at master RagnarDanneskjold/deedBot GitHub
MolokoDesk: I wonder if it's not url-decoding that.
MolokoDesk: it maybe taken verbatim
RagnarDanneskjol: hmm, would like that to be a thing. as its quite useful
MolokoDesk: I'll have to look into it.
MolokoDesk: .dump
deedBot: time=1412070908 LAST_BUNDLE_TIME=1412067601 elapsed=3307
deedBot: DEEDBOT_CHAN=#bitcoin-assets ERROR_CHAN=MolokoDesk INTERVAL=3600 (9 deeds 4005 bytes in next bundle)
MolokoDesk: 5 minutes to bitcoin spend of bundle to blockchain.
Vexual: well said
RagnarDanneskjol: place your bets
deedBot: deed B98228A001ABFFC7 asciilifeform with 1 signature valid in next bundle
deedBot: deed 35D2E1A0457E6498 RagnarDanneskjol with 1 signature valid in next bundle
MolokoDesk: $url=urlencode(urldecode($px[4])); this fixes that.. it was urlencoding it without decoding it first.
MolokoDesk: why'd it work the 2nd time?
Vexual: let me tell you a little bedtime story
MolokoDesk: I have to write specials for each non-raw conversion at a dropsite.
MolokoDesk: github's kinda huge. I may do that.
deedBot: Bundled:
MolokoDesk: what is this non-message?
MolokoDesk: .dump
deedBot: time=1412071265 LAST_BUNDLE_TIME=1412071216 elapsed=49
deedBot: DEEDBOT_CHAN=#bitcoin-assets ERROR_CHAN=MolokoDesk INTERVAL=3600 (no pending deeds.)
MolokoDesk: it's spent and tracking it.
Vexual: sleep moar
Vexual: no no
RagnarDanneskjol: !up deedBot
MolokoDesk: period instead of comma in a regular expression.
MolokoDesk: restarting it with revisions.
MolokoDesk: tracking will pick up where it left off.
MolokoDesk: pending bundles survive and are retained.
MolokoDesk: !up deedbot
MolokoDesk: .dump
deedBot: time=1412071472 LAST_BUNDLE_TIME=1412071200 elapsed=272
deedBot: DEEDBOT_CHAN=#cex-squawk ERROR_CHAN=MolokoDesk INTERVAL=3600 (no pending deeds.)
deedBot: (switching DEEDBOT_CHAN from #cex-squawk to #bitcoin-assets)
Vexual: do you need a databse?
MolokoDesk: .interval 900
deedBot: BUNDLE_SPENDING_INTERVAL = 900 seconds.
MolokoDesk: what kind of database?
Vexual: well i could recommend a format
MolokoDesk: nah, it puts files into a directory and deals with them as needed.
Vexual: did i say you could such your penis yet?\
Vexual: dont premet me
MolokoDesk: i used sqlite3 the other day to pillage the bitcoin-otc web of trust database files and hammer them into a brief form used by the bot. just the trust metrics indexed by KeyID for people that can use assbot.
MolokoDesk: punkman put me up to it.
Vexual: well there you go
RagnarDanneskjol: ned to do another round of deeds now, huh
MolokoDesk: http://www.postalrocket.com/DEEDS_TEST/ASSBOT_TRUST_LEVELS.json this gets updated every 15 minutes 5 minutes after the mark 5,20,35,50
MolokoDesk: probably.
RagnarDanneskjol: i mean to validate performance in chan
MolokoDesk: or we could see what it does when there are no deeds.
RagnarDanneskjol: i'll start
MolokoDesk: re-using that raw item with the %20 in it would test something.
MolokoDesk: .deeds saldkflaskdjf
Vexual: kinda shit
MolokoDesk: i probably broke it.
RagnarDanneskjol: youbroke it
punkman: did my UTF8 message survive?
Vexual: mug
MolokoDesk: !up deedbot
MolokoDesk: .dump
deedBot: time=1412071894 LAST_BUNDLE_TIME=1412071200 elapsed=694
deedBot: DEEDBOT_CHAN=#cex-squawk ERROR_CHAN=MolokoDesk INTERVAL=3600 (no pending deeds.)
deedBot: (switching DEEDBOT_CHAN from #cex-squawk to #bitcoin-assets)
MolokoDesk: .interval 1800
deedBot: BUNDLE_SPENDING_INTERVAL = 1800 seconds.
MolokoDesk: .interval 1200
deedBot: BUNDLE_SPENDING_INTERVAL = 1200 seconds.
deedBot: deed B98228A001ABFFC7 asciilifeform with 1 signature valid in next bundle
deedBot: deed 35D2E1A0457E6498 RagnarDanneskjol with 1 signature valid in next bundle
RagnarDanneskjol: hmm - so works with gribble down
MolokoDesk: yeah. gribble is out of the loop.
MolokoDesk: streamlines things enormously
MolokoDesk: gribble still updates the trust database though.
MolokoDesk: !up deedbot
MolokoDesk: .dump
deedBot: time=1412072123 LAST_BUNDLE_TIME=1412071200 elapsed=923
deedBot: DEEDBOT_CHAN=#bitcoin-assets ERROR_CHAN=MolokoDesk INTERVAL=1200 (2 deeds 1201 bytes in next bundle)
deedBot: Bundled: 0ce703c75d190e72652c15649a71a97c4e676c1022eb66367b73b2546040ea09-14ZCTfozD6UhTSyz5hMiBKo5RE6Gqu34i6.txt
MolokoDesk: .dump
deedBot: time=1412072554 LAST_BUNDLE_TIME=1412072409 elapsed=145
deedBot: DEEDBOT_CHAN=#bitcoin-assets ERROR_CHAN=MolokoDesk INTERVAL=1200 (no pending deeds.)
MolokoDesk: .interval 3600
deedBot: BUNDLE_SPENDING_INTERVAL = 3600 seconds.
assbot: When all cigarette packs look the same, fewer people buy them - The Washington Post
RagnarDanneskjol: i dont buyy it
punkman: Vexual, no branding on your cigarettes?
punkman: Ragnar, look for my UTF message, that's why it should accept compressed messages
punkman: (gpg --sign --armor that is)
RagnarDanneskjol: i think the idea is to do that, then sign the block
punkman: it's signed and compressed when you don't --clearsign
RagnarDanneskjol: right, but remember mp describing this at one point. trying to find it
assbot: $ gpg -v -v gpg: Go ahead and type your message ... -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESS - Pastebin.com
assbot: Logged on 30-08-2014 01:44:07; mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol MolokoDesk http://pastebin.com/yrL9xW6z
Vexual: i smoke white owl and old port after noon
Vexual: no weed
RagnarDanneskjol: !up deedBot
Vexual: yesca
MolokoDesk: !up deedbot
assbot: Scientists make droplets move on their own
Vexual: is that code? checz?
Vexual: science in chech is like what heroin emema?
chetty: Just the title of that article is enough for a chuckle, imo
Vexual: ya they love a droplet in prague
MolokoDesk: !up deedbot
RagnarDanneskjol: i moved to other chan w/dump command
RagnarDanneskjol: the repors
MolokoDesk: (ok. I have deedBot installed to re-start on server reboots or deedBot terminations, it's home channel is set to #bitcoin-assets)
assbot: Manufactured insecurity and the issue of control pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: had he not made me read that thing, i wouldn't have the tool ready for like the best reference this week.
MolokoDesk: (you won't see deedBot in other chan without an invite or join directive)
mircea_popescu: this chan is so fucking intellectually empowering.
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk hey how goes there ?
MolokoDesk: fairly well.
MolokoDesk: deedBot is resonably terse and bulletproof now.
mircea_popescu: didja implement the two things outstanding ?
MolokoDesk: switched to using the 15 minute updated gribble database files.
mircea_popescu: how big are they ?
MolokoDesk: it's tracking transaction IDs now. doesn't terminate.
MolokoDesk: oh they're kind of long.
mircea_popescu: nanotube is your preferred avenue for people needing to frequently query the db to check relation that they ask gribble each time or that they download the backups every 15 minutes ?
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk what do you save this way, like 1 query out of 3 ?
assbot: DEEDS
MolokoDesk: gribble is completely out of the loop. the logic is linear no queues or state machines needed. Nothing stops if something else doesn't complete.
MolokoDesk: the code is much smaller.
MolokoDesk: splitting incoming files, verifying signatures, bundling are a single pass operation.
MolokoDesk: tracking is simpler.
mircea_popescu: well that's something.
MolokoDesk: it's just a lot easier and more predictable.
mircea_popescu: how often do you dld the db ?
MolokoDesk: side effect is that a json digest of the assbot trust web is available.
MolokoDesk: assuming anyone would use something compiled by a 3rd party.
mircea_popescu: well it adds to central security if there's some catastrophe.
MolokoDesk: http://www.postalrocket.com/DEEDS_TEST/ASSBOT_TRUST_LEVELS.json this is updated by a cron job ever 15 minutes.
mircea_popescu: well ok. if it's too much we'll fiddle with it or something. it is better code.
Azelphur: speaking of assbot trust levels, what does it take to get into assbots l1 trust?
mircea_popescu: ok, so what's outstanding here ?
assbot: The Bitcoin Lordship list, first revision pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: generally, people hafta be impressed with how worthy of being ennobled you are.
MolokoDesk: probably #bitcoin-assets watching it work long enough for you to take delivery of it.
MolokoDesk: also it's not registered with gribble/WoT
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk okay, what's your gameplan here, do you want to also run this as a going concern ?
MolokoDesk: the logic for handing an ;;eauth challenge is already in. when it logs on and identifies to freenode it issues an ;;eauth deedBot to gribble and picks up any challenge response, decrypts the item and does the ;;everify
punkman: hashing spec would be nice
RagnarDanneskjol: I'd like to see it in pyth asafp
MolokoDesk: so I guess gribble is still in the loop, but not as part of the bundling process.
mircea_popescu: what is it now, all php ?
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk well sure. gribble can't be permaout of the loop :p
RagnarDanneskjol: I might ask Alz to give it a crack
MolokoDesk: the hashing spec is just SHA256 of the file converted to a bitcoin address.
Azelphur: mircea_popescu: I'm sure I'm worth ;)
mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol you're paying for that. it's a worthy cause :)
MolokoDesk: I'm ok with writing it in python.
mircea_popescu: Azelphur http://stats.bitcoin-assets.com/ << not that counts are the end all be all, but with 500 lines in the past year, you can't be.
assbot: #bitcoin-assets stats
Vexual: whats it do? can i sell a shopping centre without getting sober?
Azelphur: mircea_popescu: fair enough, yea I'm not too active here
MolokoDesk: now that the architecture and methods and algorithms are worked out it should be faster to complete.
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk question was whether you want ot be the one running this or not.
MolokoDesk: it'd be ok with being the on-going bot op here. we'd have to work something out.
mircea_popescu: talk to me.
mircea_popescu: (people go "talk to mp". apparently mp does too.)
MolokoDesk: well, what's the attention span of a bot op adquate to service the trading/contract flow here?
mircea_popescu: uh. answer if something breaks.
MolokoDesk: I noticed that some people responded immediately by hand to stuff I sent to their bots.
RagnarDanneskjol: whats your expectation for response time mp? on any bot maintenance
mircea_popescu: from experience you get pinged within 5 minutes of it dieing
Vexual: cant even sell a playstation
mircea_popescu: well something reasonable, nothing set. if you're in the hospital and take half a week nobody's gonna sue.
MolokoDesk: if something breaks, it's mission-critcal and I stop what I'm doing and fix it now.
mircea_popescu: but in general, if you're online, you're online.
MolokoDesk: there'd be some way to send a message to my phone or desk.
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk it's not that essential. can wait a day.
mircea_popescu: it can't wait a week is all.
MolokoDesk: yeah, no rush on decisions about that.
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk no i mean, the fixing.
MolokoDesk: ok. well that time frame is casual. it would be fixed at my earliest convenience same-day.
mircea_popescu: it's not mission critical, it's in the "can wait a day can't wait a week" pile.
mircea_popescu: exactly.
MolokoDesk: it's likely that deedBot degrade gracefully. if any process in the chain stops things still get set up for the next bundle.
mircea_popescu: honestly i don't expect anything to break, since php is so stable and everything.
MolokoDesk: yeah, the program flow is sufficiently linear that it's not going to halt if something 500 server errors out at the API level.
MolokoDesk: running out of BTC would make it stop registering to the blockchain and the result might be one big giant deed bundle whenever that was remedied.
assbot: Truthcoin: Trustless, Decentralized Bitcoin Prediction Marketplace | Hacker News
mircea_popescu: yeah it was huge. fucktards.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile the yc bitbet thread ? where is it ? "o, let's ignore and pretend that means we can stay relevant"
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk ima sent it a btc right now, actually. what was its wallet ?
MolokoDesk: I've always been intrigued by prediction marketplaces. The theory is that markets efficiently integrate all available information, so the price reflects some sort of best-estimate of the probability of the predicted events.
kakobrekla: o look, 1.258
RagnarDanneskjol: molo - how secure is that wallet?
MolokoDesk: so far nobody has the passphrase or keys or passwords but me.
MolokoDesk: it's replacable.
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk it's an old discussion this.
MolokoDesk: just change the API key and "secret" to spend.
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk so are you getting hacked ?
MolokoDesk: yeah, we decided the wallet is disposable, all of the security is in the signatures and blockchain.
MolokoDesk: it doesn't matter how the BTC is spent.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla aren't you glad you closed pritni.
MolokoDesk: the spend address/hash is also a locus of security.
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk well so then i'd better only send .1 or something ?
MolokoDesk: none of that is fake-able.
mircea_popescu: ;;rated MolokoDesk
gribble: You have not yet rated user MolokoDesk
MolokoDesk: ragnar was suggesting a faucet.
MolokoDesk: it's secure enough that nobody would spend time trying to hack it for $20
mircea_popescu: which brings us to the nextr q : would you like to develop a payments extension for this ?
MolokoDesk: however. if you had access to the source code, which is stored outside of webspace, you'd have enough info to spend the wallet using the API.
MolokoDesk: the source on the private GITHub has stubs for that info.
MolokoDesk: so it's not disclosed so far.
mircea_popescu: ;;ident MolokoDesk
gribble: Nick 'MolokoDesk', with hostmask 'MolokoDesk!~moloko@cpe-70-117-68-131.austin.res.rr.com', is not identified.
mircea_popescu: ident woudlja
MolokoDesk: laptop must have gone into sleep mode earlier.
punkman: gribble hiccup
MolokoDesk: other point of security would be the keyring for ;;eauth
mircea_popescu: fluffypony dude look at that jimothy guy still fightin' the good fight, one year and a half later, 2.x k posts in.
fluffypony: link?
Vexual: drink it all at once
mircea_popescu: fluffypony just looked at his forum profile
assbot: View the profile of jimmothy
fluffypony: lame.
fluffypony: such investor.
fluffypony: much investment.
mircea_popescu: well he was in the link to why bitbet is bad on yc.
mircea_popescu: the place where airbnb is good :D
MolokoDesk: payments extension: what is that about?
Vexual: america?
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk i'll spec it for you one second.
MolokoDesk: if there's serious btc flow through a payment system I'd think we'd want to put this on a dedicated server instead of the virtual machine where it is now.
MolokoDesk: or on a server instance where that's the only thing running there.
assbot: .balance Your balance with me is XXX. [If balance over X btc] This is excessive - Pastebin.com
deedBot: deedBot BTC available balance: 0.00275000 in wallet 1NTSD9jVvumurTotaW7Crqe5DfRxBrJzqu
MolokoDesk: I do so much stuff on this VM ... my dev activities are probably the biggest risk.
mircea_popescu: warn limit should prolly be 1 btc
MolokoDesk: if I put something up elsewhere on the same server that's just another exposure risk
MolokoDesk: .balance
deedBot: deedBot BTC available balance: 0.00275000 in wallet 1NTSD9jVvumurTotaW7Crqe5DfRxBrJzqu
MolokoDesk: there's a low balance message that's never been activated yet.
mircea_popescu: coolness.
mircea_popescu: !up deedBot
mircea_popescu: ;;ident MolokoDesk
MolokoDesk: .calc 1/(0.00011 * 24)
gribble: Nick 'MolokoDesk', with hostmask 'MolokoDesk!~moloko@cpe-70-117-68-131.austin.res.rr.com', is identified as user 'MolokoDesk', with GPG key id C58B15FA3E19CE9B, key fingerprint 4D4769A7EF6BB23D399DAA7BC58B15FA3E19CE9B, and bitcoin address None
deedBot: 1 / (0.00011 * 24) = 378.787879
MolokoDesk: 1 btc is good for over a year at full capacity 1 bundle per hour.
mircea_popescu: ;;rate MolokoDesk 2 b-a deedsbot dev. AAA would hire again.
gribble: Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.
MolokoDesk: gribble is one cold dude.
RagnarDanneskjol: AAA seems a bit generous. it is the last day of the month]
mircea_popescu: ;;rate MolokoDesk 2 b-a deedsbot dev. AAA would hire again.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 2 for user MolokoDesk has been recorded.
MolokoDesk: it's revokable.
MolokoDesk: but it does seem a bit much.
mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol i dun gas when, he did it before the end of the month.
mircea_popescu: i am the avatar of splitting.
Vexual: oshit
RagnarDanneskjol: i kno, just sayin
mircea_popescu: ;;google splitting psychology
gribble: Splitting (psychology) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Splitting_(psychology)>; Understanding “Splitting” as a Psychological Term: <http://counsellingresource.com/features/2008/10/28/splitting-as-psychological-term/>; Self-Deception II: Splitting | Psychology Today: <http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/hide-and-seek/201203/self-deception- (1 more message)
MolokoDesk: subjective recursion, self-commentary...
MolokoDesk: we're still trying to break deedBot, but I think it passes.
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk so are you making the payments extension ?
RagnarDanneskjol: i dont think he follows
MolokoDesk: did I miss the spec?
punkman: it fails at unicode :P
RagnarDanneskjol: mircea_popescu
assbot: .balance Your balance with me is XXX. [If balance over X btc] This is excessive - Pastebin.com
deedBot: deedBot BTC available balance: 0.00275000 in wallet 1NTSD9jVvumurTotaW7Crqe5DfRxBrJzqu
MolokoDesk: you're talking abut the unicode dashes in the PGP signed message delimiters?
mircea_popescu: <mircea_popescu> MolokoDesk http://pastebin.com/Q5M82NB5 <
assbot: .balance Your balance with me is XXX. [If balance over X btc] This is excessive - Pastebin.com
deedBot: deedBot BTC available balance: 0.00275000 in wallet 1NTSD9jVvumurTotaW7Crqe5DfRxBrJzqu
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk no.
punkman: MolokoDesk: no, unicode in the message
MolokoDesk: ok. uh, where does that happen, just a report from deedBot?
MolokoDesk: bot trigger collision may need some work. laff.
punkman: oh never mind, browser didn't know it was utf
punkman: guess it works then
mircea_popescu: punkman yeah srsly i was all wut'd
MolokoDesk: yeah, I can do that. it's not clear how i'd store the accounts yet. Probably an SQL database, but if it's storing pooled funds in a single wallet that's kind of an unsound practice.
MolokoDesk: but the most expedient way to do it.
mircea_popescu: nothing unsound about it. it's the right way.
MolokoDesk: authing people to make payment on the cred of their freenode nick, I guess that works if you trust gribble's data.
mircea_popescu: use a single inbound address, pay out from it as directed.
mircea_popescu: webwallet done right is also tumblr by default.
MolokoDesk: like a small change drawer.
mircea_popescu: exactly.
MolokoDesk: if people are comfortable with the size of their deposits at risk, and the risk level that's doable.
mircea_popescu: you're taking a sizeable bite here, if you manage to run all this for a while and not get hacked you'll have all the cred you could possibly want
mircea_popescu: so don't fuck up.
Vexual: bwahaha
MolokoDesk: heh and get hacked... negative cred, maybe.
mircea_popescu: well yes.
MolokoDesk: ok. I'll look into this. I'm not a security guy and linux admin is not something I do regularly, just as needed for my own projects.
mircea_popescu: how old are you ?
MolokoDesk: I know you've noticed the criticism A.Andropoulos has been getting.
mircea_popescu: actually i haven't.
MolokoDesk: and I think he has a stronger background in security than I do.
mircea_popescu: ugh. what ?!
RagnarDanneskjol: he does not
MolokoDesk: his customer service dept let a security hole slide unfixed.
MolokoDesk: after being repeatedly informed of it.
mircea_popescu: how the fuck is it "his"
mircea_popescu: guy's a mascota, talking muppethead.
mircea_popescu: this is like complaining that the decals didn't fix the engine.
mircea_popescu: cause "it's their car"
bounce: what, decals don't fix engines? news to me.
MolokoDesk: yeah, he's kind of verbal intervention and keynote speaker. Not sure what his early role in bitcoin is. I think he may have been in the first round bitcoin foundation group.
MolokoDesk: but then Mark Karpeles was in that too.
bounce: it's called "best current practice" and the industry is full of it.
MolokoDesk: anyway, I dunno. It's just news feed.
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk his early role in bitcoin was being a derp.
Vexual: oshit
mircea_popescu: anyway. how old were you ?
MolokoDesk: apple-style evangelism, maybe.
mircea_popescu: bounce that it is.
MolokoDesk: usually CSO isn't an honorary title. oh well.
MolokoDesk: anyway, I know how startups are. they do anything to make their "forward-looking statements" remain plausible for as long as possible.
MolokoDesk: put people with high profiles on their boards of directors that do nothing but waive attending the annual meeting.
mircea_popescu: omfg is it like a secret or something!?
MolokoDesk: nuff said then.
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk how old are you dude!
MolokoDesk: over whatever.
mircea_popescu: more interested in the under part.
MolokoDesk: why? vocabulary? jadedness? polymath symptoms?
RagnarDanneskjol: he is older than us
MolokoDesk: yeah.
mircea_popescu: because i am trying to determine whether telling you to stfu and learn some unix admining is a good policy or not
mircea_popescu: and that depends on how old you are.
MolokoDesk: we can talk freely. no prob.
MolokoDesk: or are you asking whether I grasp the troll aesthetic?
mircea_popescu: mkay. if you're under 30 stfu and learn some unix admining, it can't hurt you. if over 30 you probably have a point focusing on other things.
mircea_popescu: jesus gotta make if-then clauses.
bounce: you lack "answer the question" skills, eh. well, not the only one.
MolokoDesk: superposition.
mircea_popescu: bounce people get strange when put on teh spot huh.
MolokoDesk: I can find out what I need to know.
bounce can't get recruiters, hr peeps, or even first line support idjits to f'n answer their emails.
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk if you're wondering, the entire line was prompted by <MolokoDesk> ok. I'll look into this. I'm not a security guy and linux admin is not something I do regularly
MolokoDesk: it's not so much not knowing, it's having to do it constantly.
MolokoDesk: yeah, I think that was a symptom of long-term interests in other things.
mircea_popescu: well, good code means you won't have to do it constantly, cause good code never breaks :D
MolokoDesk: I'm thinking more of operating system updates, security patches, surveillance.
mircea_popescu: bounce the motherfucking answer! is the reason face to face productivity is better, btw. as expensive travel is, sometimes it's unavoidable, as people will mousy over emails for a year if given the chance
mircea_popescu: and so management has to fly people all over back and forth all day.
MolokoDesk: as 'security' best practices is mostly don't use certain language constructs, or coding practices that allow exploits from web input.
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk these days, security mostly relies on not updating to the newest set of bugs.
MolokoDesk: for example I deleted wordpress from this VM. I don't use it and didn't even want it there.
mircea_popescu: get a secure system, bolt it down and forget about it.
bounce: this isn't usually a problem among the, let's call them "usenet crowd". people who're reasonably good at discussing more than one thing per email and are technically minded so don't take it too personally when asked to answer a technical question.
mircea_popescu: don't even get me started on the topic of wordpress lmao. fucktards put a ddos hole in their xmlrpc
mircea_popescu: you can use any wp installation to basically probe for free or whatever else.
MolokoDesk: well, I can write the payments extension but deciding where to run it may be a different issue.
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk give the thing a day to think through.
bounce: heroku and google apps both, "for the resiliency"
mircea_popescu: wait what are you talking about !?
mircea_popescu: is this >9k sarcasm ?
bounce: well, how can it be if I get called to explain the joke?
mircea_popescu: "too much"!
bounce: so much for "leveraging the synergy"
mircea_popescu: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 323195 | Current Difficulty: 3.466142592397694E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 324575 | Next Difficulty In: 1380 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 7 hours, 9 minutes, and 51 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 33160433493.3 | Estimated Percent Change: -4.33044
mircea_popescu: holy shit ?!
mircea_popescu: it HAD to ruin the 31bn bet, and then die right after ?
mircea_popescu: fucking bitch.
MolokoDesk: just realized that Tao_Jones has a "joke" payment system in it called luzcoin it's not a real coin, it just keeps accounts for people in one IRC channel elsewhere and they mess about with it rhetorically. it has a mining back end that increments the accounts in a sporadic lottery.
MolokoDesk: coin-like substance, play money.
RagnarDanneskjol: MolokoDesk - pls see msg in other chan
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk what channel is that ?
RagnarDanneskjol: not really, just where testing bot
RagnarDanneskjol: #cex-squawk
RagnarDanneskjol: !up deedBot
deedBot: time=1412080043 LAST_BUNDLE_TIME=1412079612 elapsed=431
deedBot: DEEDBOT_CHAN=#cex-squawk ERROR_CHAN=MolokoDesk INTERVAL=3600 (no pending deeds.)
deedBot: (switching DEEDBOT_CHAN from #cex-squawk to #bitcoin-assets)
deedBot: deed B98228A001ABFFC7 asciilifeform with 1 signature valid in next bundle
deedBot: deed 35D2E1A0457E6498 RagnarDanneskjol with 1 signature valid in next bundle
RagnarDanneskjol: OH- it doesnt reply pm now
jurov: RagnarDanneskjol: assbot has vexual in ignore
jurov: hence no titles
RagnarDanneskjol: ahhh. interesting
MolokoDesk: .dump
deedBot: time=1412081247 LAST_BUNDLE_TIME=1412079612 elapsed=1635
deedBot: DEEDBOT_CHAN=#cex-squawk ERROR_CHAN=MolokoDesk INTERVAL=3600 (2 deeds 1201 bytes in next bundle)
deedBot: (switching DEEDBOT_CHAN from #cex-squawk to #bitcoin-assets)
MolokoDesk: !up deedbot
MolokoDesk: ok, for the payment system, it would create accounts based on wallet of origin of incoming payments. those would be the same wallets registered in web of trust/gribble, I presume.
MolokoDesk: random payments from unregistered wallets would sit in an account with no owner until someone registered them, but that's not a sound practice.
MolokoDesk: they'd be sent back to the originator or just forfeited.
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk nah, create accounts based on person's wot id.
MolokoDesk: ok. so they don't need to register a wallet ID with WoT?
MolokoDesk: how do you know who pays into an account?
MolokoDesk: I can figure that out.
MolokoDesk: nevermind.
kakobrekla: <mircea_popescu> kakobrekla aren't you glad you closed pritni. < is not that simple.
mircea_popescu: Send X Bitcoin to Y address. [Use last 4 decimals encoding to identify owner] <
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla ikno ikno. gotta tease tho!
MolokoDesk: right. how does one put money into the account in one's nick.
MolokoDesk: it has to come from a wallet.
MolokoDesk: so all you really now is that some wallet somewhere sent you btc.
MolokoDesk: whose wallet was it?
mircea_popescu: ~~~ [Use last 4 decimals encoding to identify owner]~~~
mircea_popescu: .deposit
MolokoDesk: so they just say "that wallet was mine"?
mircea_popescu: Hi MP. Please send to 1blabla make sure last 4 digits are 1944
mircea_popescu: then if you get 1.00001944 you credit it to me.
MolokoDesk: ohyeah, Igot it that first line.
mircea_popescu: so then what's the problem ?
MolokoDesk: they send you a microchange digit set and you confirm on that.
MolokoDesk: in private message.
MolokoDesk: like initial bank handhsaking.
mircea_popescu: no need for any of that. you just use a hash of their userid to generate a 4 digit pin, and credit to their acct all deposits to your address that have that pin for last 4 digits.
MolokoDesk: I guess one presumes nobody wants to give people money at random.
kakobrekla: ;;seen mike_c
gribble: mike_c was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 days, 15 hours, and 10 seconds ago: <mike_c> (j/k)
mircea_popescu: one doesn't presume anything. this is how the system works.
mircea_popescu: people can use it whatever way they please.
MolokoDesk: "oh gosh, that guy revealed the check digits of his paymet.. I'm going to make a payment to the same person for no reason with THE SAME LAST DIGITS!" = not likely to be motivated by anything.
mircea_popescu: and you only have one address in your wallet, and pay from it whenever someone asks and that's that.
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk who's to know ?
mircea_popescu: maybe someone wants to donate to them.
MolokoDesk: yeah, nobody's gonna stop you.
mircea_popescu: hardened systems means among other things breaking the convenient assumptions of the enemy.
MolokoDesk: ok. with two audit trails that should be bulletproof, if it's all done in this channel the published channel logs are a matter of record. the payment extension also keeps an audit trail and a database.
mircea_popescu: all ingredients for a secure system are there.
MolokoDesk: uh, what chance of two people randomly choosing the same 4-digit deposit suffix?
mircea_popescu: they don't choise it.
mircea_popescu: bot choses it.
MolokoDesk: amount would also have to math.
MolokoDesk: match.
mircea_popescu: what amount dood.
MolokoDesk: there are only 10000 of those.
mircea_popescu: yeah well, we won't have 10k users.
MolokoDesk: I was still back on 'depositer declares digits' not "bot declares digits"
mircea_popescu: ah. yeah.
MolokoDesk: 10k transactions. oh. each user has a unique 4-digits always the same. their "account number" sure.
mircea_popescu: and if it becomes a problem we move to 6 or w/e. not that any irc chan ever had 10k members online.
MolokoDesk: I haven't slept recently if I'm seeming dense.
RagnarDanneskjol: same as usual
MolokoDesk: what's the likely volume of the pooled wallet for what... 50 people?
RagnarDanneskjol: dense, not lack of sleep
mircea_popescu: i dunno, coupla btc ?
bounce: you start having problems well before 10000, that with hash collissions and everything
mircea_popescu: bounce true.
mircea_popescu: easy enough for anyone to test it, send 10k satoshi see if you get it.
mircea_popescu: if you don't get it, bitch.
mircea_popescu: bounce actually hashing isn't even the right approach, should serialize.
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk maybe instead of hashing,keep a serial of when people go .deposit and use that,
bounce: then you have an arbitrary cookie and might as well use separate payment addresses
mircea_popescu: increment by one if person wasn't seen before.
mircea_popescu: bounce notrly. you use a single address chiefly because that way mitm is pointless.
nanotube: mircea_popescu: re db queries - depends on frequency of gribble queries. if you'd be querying gribble more than once per 15 min, get the db.
mircea_popescu: nanotube got it.
bounce: now I wonder, if you provide an oracle that combines a programmatically generated key from (secret) seed and (public) user number, would that be enough to recover the secret?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12658 @ 0.00075221 = 9.5215 BTC [-]
bounce: s/key/payment address/
bounce: s/combines/spits out/ (from the combination, etc.)
punkman: btw unnamed source says coindesk pays around $90 per article
bounce: sounds like easy money.
mircea_popescu: punkman like hell they do.
mircea_popescu: $90 buys you an hour's work of a professional. their articles are 15 minute jobs by 3rd worlders. 9 bux is a gross exaggeration.
mircea_popescu: (easy to arb, too, go on fiverr, have 20 people write articles, get 2 accepted by coindeks, profit)
bounce: ebay to spin out paypal again. huh.
mircea_popescu: bounce omidyar has figured out paypal / website payments are dead in the water, selling it while he's ahead of the curve.
mircea_popescu: smart move.
bounce: only after icahn badgered them to do it for months
mircea_popescu: yeah well would you listen to icahn /
bounce: of course not. even so.
mircea_popescu: !up eth2
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla can deedbot go on bot voicelist.
kakobrekla: is it ready
RagnarDanneskjol: no - need to sort out who registers/owns it
mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol community owned, what.
RagnarDanneskjol: uhh, thought some person needs to secure keypair for anygiven bot - like I assume kako has assbot's
mircea_popescu: giving it a gpg sig is a handwave anyway, whoever controls it can make it sign anything anyway. not like it's a creature in itself.
mircea_popescu: nickserv id is enough really.
bounce: for freenode, whoever has access to the backend and can fix it if it goes amok
mircea_popescu: and yes, freenode policy is to cloak bots by maintainer.
mircea_popescu: i suppose we should get a b-a cloak huh ?
RagnarDanneskjol: !up deedBot
teward: mircea_popescu: unless #bitcoin-assets is its own Group Registration, it falls in the #bitcoin* namespace
mircea_popescu: teward i was thinking of making a group reg.
teward: mircea_popescu: first GRFs are closed
teward: mircea_popescu: secondly you run into namespace issues
mircea_popescu: o they don't do that anymore ?
teward: (#bitcoin-* is typically considered #bitcoin, like #anything-* is #anything)
mircea_popescu: teward it can just be b-a, or w/e.
teward: mircea_popescu: GRFs been closed a while, but point still stands, namespace issues
mircea_popescu: you don't have to name the group = the channel do you.
bounce: "#assets"
mircea_popescu: "freenode group registration is currently suspended, as the group registration process became significantly backlogged to the point that it was not viable to continue taking new registrations. This is an unfortunate side-effect of the combination of the following"
mircea_popescu: fucktards. they fail to list "we suck to the degree we will die of self imposed attrition. we don't even talk to people wh owant to give us free servers anymore"
bounce: so. freenode2?
mircea_popescu: bounce eventually. seems unavoidable.
bounce: needs a bit of a crew, some buy-in from a few groups, and so on, to get the thing started
mircea_popescu: anyway. 2015's problems.
assbot: Tactical Chat: How the U.S. Military Uses IRC to Wage War | Public Intelligence
kakobrekla: you want some b-a.com a record for the deed thing
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla yes actually.
mircea_popescu: deeds.b ?
jurov: <Vexual> ya they love a droplet in prague << no they're just world experts on alcohol
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla and does that come with some server space ? :)
kakobrekla: we can do that
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk aite once you wake up, kako's going to set you up with a deeds.bitcoin-assets.com zone and a server login.
mircea_popescu: an wipe the test bundles when you do it too.
mats_cd03: ;;later tell BingoBoingo if you want to read something on HeinOnline, LexisNexis, Westlaw let me know
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: only him ?
RagnarDanneskjol: mircea_popescu - I seriously doubt he'll see that. will send him an email
mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol better leave it as a later tell ?
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell MolokoDesk aite once you wake up, kako's going to set you up with a deeds.bitcoin-assets.com zone and a server login. an wipe the test bundles when you do it too.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
RagnarDanneskjol: still - he'll prolly miss it
mircea_popescu: well he'll gotta learn not to miss it :)
mats_cd03: well... if you're in assbot's L2 i guess i could do that.
mircea_popescu: how the hell else will he know the bot's tits up anyway
punkman: turns out deedbot burns the coins
mircea_popescu: punkman hm ?
RagnarDanneskjol: not literally 'burnt'
mircea_popescu: punkman: was clearsigned a requirement? << yes.
punkman: mircea_popescu: private key can't be recreated
mircea_popescu: why not ?!
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk: I should block that. << i wouldn't worry about vandals at the application level. if they do it they may get devoiced which is enough deterrent.
punkman: mircea_popescu: because it goes from file hash to pub address
mircea_popescu: punkman explain like im five.
punkman: it picks a random bitcoin address instead of generating the private key for one
punkman: (by random I mean based on the bundle hash)
mircea_popescu: mkay gotta grill the guy tomorrow about it.
RagnarDanneskjol: we discussed this at one point and determined this was the best approach - as alternative to millibtc to be recovered from a multitude of pregenerated addresses
mircea_popescu: link me ?
RagnarDanneskjol: will try - so many, getting cross eyed
mircea_popescu: anyway, the state in my head is that th bundle gets hashed into a pubkey which is where dust is sent.
mircea_popescu: aaand i'll bbl.
bounce: of course, assets.com is squatted. wonder what they'll ask for it.
punkman: over 9 billion
MolokoDesk: (we've never really discussed the intent of compensation for work here. It matters to me because I have to make a living, so I have to be able to bill at US-livable rates. I'm not sure how people work in #bitcoin-assets... it may be that everyone is developing "for free" because they are stakeholders in keeping the exchange going so they can use it, or the utility value of contributiing is worth it, or they're used to doing
MolokoDesk: open source for a lark.)
MolokoDesk: (let me know what's up.)
mats_cd03: fun fact: the Bluetooth Low Energy spec has three key exchange mechanisms. 2/3 "do not provide any passive eavesdropping protection" (as per spec).
bounce: depends on where you are. in the big blue room, the sky is the limit.
mats_cd03: so, since out of band key exchange is difficult, most BLE devices can be construed as selectively backdoored.
MolokoDesk: (oops. missed mp, who is the person I should talk with this about)
dub: aside from possibly a handfull paid to run mp's questionable meta-investment-vehicles I think -assets labour is expected to be free (as in beer)
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk people in bitcoin are as a rule filthy rich, which means they do whatever the fuck they feel like doing, which is why coming up with things that are actually worth doing is so important and getting people to adhere to trhe highest standards so easy.
dub reserve the right to be entirely wrong
mircea_popescu: as far as your own case is concerned however, iirc you wanted some bitcents to cover for september, which you got, which is where we're now.
mircea_popescu: obviously doing more work is more pay, your queue to come up with something was http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-09-2014#851612
assbot: Logged on 30-09-2014 11:35:08; mircea_popescu: talk to me.
mircea_popescu: and it's still there.
mircea_popescu: s/queue/cue
mircea_popescu: dub who do you mean, saffron ?
mircea_popescu: people are getting paid to flash their tits, what're you talkin' aboot.
dub: i was thinking mpif ops, but yeah, sticking shit up your ass is another earner
RagnarDanneskjol: one part of the conversation on how deed coins are to be spent/lost: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-08-2014#815529 ..there was some more specific discussion i cannot locate
assbot: Logged on 30-08-2014 01:57:51; mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk block-and-address.
mircea_popescu: dub don't forget all the trolls i pay to bother random anons that forgot to take their pills on random forums nobody reads.
mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol what's that to do tho ? i mean, this is merely how to index things on the site.
mircea_popescu: and he changed from the block thing to the tx thing which is fine.
mircea_popescu: dub how about the chick that got paid to secretary.
RagnarDanneskjol: I'm just addressing punkman's issue regarding coins spent to random addresses
bounce: on that note, how's the bitcoin f0ne going?
mircea_popescu: bounce still there, but i don't think many popl call.
mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol but how do you figure this does that ?!
RagnarDanneskjol: because it does
MolokoDesk: ok. I'm not sure the entire content of my conversations during 'recruiting' were relayed. I usually take and advance or progress payment on staring a project, and the rest of the comp on delivery to satisfaction of the person who wanted the work. There's no way I could have done this for the initial payment.
mircea_popescu: i dun follow.
MolokoDesk: However, I'm aware we never discussed final comp. so.
bounce: cards in the mail to all the rich and powerful. "call our bitcoin f0ne!"
mircea_popescu: bounce but why
MolokoDesk: I'd usually bill low 4 figures for something like this USD.
bounce: for the blogposts. what else?
MolokoDesk: you'll get this regardless. I'm just saying this isn't what I had in mind.
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk well that's why it's very important to be loud and clear about what you have in mind.
dub: mircea_popescu: I thought they were teh same person
mircea_popescu: dub moiety and saffron ?!
bounce: anyway, just wondering really
dub: or, idk im out of the loop
mircea_popescu: why the hell does everyone think everyone's the same person as everyone else.
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mircea_popescu: this anonimity.
bounce: a secret wish for a simpler world
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk don't be shy about it, we're all assholes anyway.
dub: its teh internet and 'they' are female, there can't be more than one
mircea_popescu: moiety is actually cute iirc.
MolokoDesk: ok, guess, we should talk about what adding a payment option to this and maintaining the bot long term are worth in terms of comp.
mircea_popescu: heck, there's not so many ugly women in btc. which makes one think... what if there's more to hotness than usually thought ?
mircea_popescu: what if ugly women are also stupid ?
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk go ahead.
MolokoDesk: can I make the btc equivalent purchasing power of USD $1200 per month doing this?
mircea_popescu: doing what exactly ? admining deeds bot ?
MolokoDesk: writing software and maintaining it on a priority level.
mircea_popescu: that, yes. but you'll notice it's also unspecified.
MolokoDesk: ok. think of it as a retainer.
mircea_popescu: derping around with bitcoin can in principle be very lucrative, but in practice it depends what you do.
MolokoDesk: or for whom you do it.
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk retainers are useful where work is abundant and workers scarce. this is not the case in coding,
mircea_popescu: which is why things like linux can exist in the first placew.
MolokoDesk: linux has a lot of ancillary work it creates by people versed in the field and who know it's internals or can modify it. So the people working on it are contributing to it because besides being generallly useful and having the political influence it does, they make a lot of money on it.
mircea_popescu: <MolokoDesk> or for whom you do it. << well, yes, plenty of idiots manage to cosy up with the clueless and live decently in the process. not rly my cup of tea, but th world's full of tims and andreases.
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk quite exactly.
MolokoDesk: there's kind of an odd hybrid type of open source made by companies like Rackspace. they give the stuff away for free because it generates enormous amounts of work for them.
mircea_popescu: !up ivok
MolokoDesk: ok. I'm pretty much out then I think.
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk among other things bitcoin is not very friendly to the fiat world model of work for hire. it very heavily favours the linux style of doing things.
MolokoDesk: well, increasing the number of stakeholders would make sense.
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mircea_popescu: not sure what you mean ?
dub: bounce: lol awesome
MolokoDesk: if the only people who care about developing bitcoin are stakeholders, then having more stakeholders means more development and more likelihood that bitcoin in particular and decentralized cryptocurrencies in general will be around in the desired form in the long run.
MolokoDesk: right now bitcoin has a spendability problem, along with the disincentive to spend created by the expectation of deflation.
RagnarDanneskjol: not really
mircea_popescu: bounce wait wtf, german telecom wants to charge users for being spied ?!
MolokoDesk: there's also the volatility issue, but that may smooth out under certain conditions.
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk the thing is, bitcoin isn't trying to make friends.
mircea_popescu: it's offering a narrow window for people to be friendly, is all.
bounce: check their home page
MolokoDesk: is it trying to survive though?
mircea_popescu: bounce o like an onion ?
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk in the sense the sun is "trying to survive".
mircea_popescu: it's not optional.
bounce: sort-of, yes
MolokoDesk: well. cryptography is a mathematical fact.
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MolokoDesk: he epiphenomena that grow out of that may not be.
mircea_popescu: yeah but various implications flow from there.
mircea_popescu: major point being that bitcoin is not epiphenomena.
kakobrekla: sun is "trying to survive". < remember the matrix clouds
mircea_popescu: the perceived world is an epiphenomenon of bitcoin
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla yeah lol
kakobrekla: sun is just fine, earth on the other hand, fucked.
dub: thats actually not far from reality
MolokoDesk: there's a notion called non-entailment. it describes the non-predictability of evolving systems that lose backward-linked information as they evolve and for which there are a large number of adjacent states for which the fitness landscape is unknown or unknowable.
mircea_popescu: anyway, this philosophical arcana aside, i can see that people got bills to pay and so on, so. no argument from me.,
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk that's not an adequate model for things such as gravity.
MolokoDesk: ok. what happens if someone spends 12 million BTC to a non-stakeholder, someone who wants to use it as general purchasing power.
mircea_popescu: it's not like the future of the theory of gravity is uncertain. it's quite certain.
mircea_popescu: the future of any group of people is not certain, but nor does it matter so much,.
dub: one of the proposed climate hacks is block out the sun with sulfur
MolokoDesk: well, general relativity isn't an adquate model for nonlinear systems.
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk as to your what happens : he becomes a stakeholder. there's a nice little fable re the nsa stash in the logs relating to this.
MolokoDesk: something we may agree on is that equlibrium models in macroeconomics aren't particularly descriptive, things like keynsian macroeconomics.
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mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk only thing i can agree about re keynesianism is that it's retarded
mircea_popescu: i'd rather discuss actually self-aware religions than bizarre cults that claim they're not.
MolokoDesk: ok. we're in the same book there if not the same page.
MolokoDesk: economics as a persuasive force is intriguing. the way the statistical distribution of ideology follows various market forces.
mircea_popescu: but as a great man once said, "it is forbidden to teach nonsense. but the study of nonsense, that's scholarship"
chetty: <dub> one of the proposed climate hacks is block out the sun with sulfur// I think Iceland is taking care of that
mircea_popescu: chetty fortunately for all of us, the sulphur lobby ain't got money,
mircea_popescu: or else the entire us would be coated in fluoride
mircea_popescu: i mean sulfide whatever.
mircea_popescu: i miss the old days when us people were still living in africa where they belong and they fought "climate change" by digging holes in their labia.
mircea_popescu: the current masquerade is not unlike that famous monkey
bounce: sulphur credits?
bounce: let's lobby the UN!
thestringpuller: But you're friendly mircea_popescu
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MolokoDesk: I suspect they're trying to apply a watershed management model to the atmosphere.
thestringpuller: you are the 2nd nicest person i've met on the interwebs
dub: chetty: indeed
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller where'd you meet the other one ?
bounce: internet-of-things mirror
dub: sa
thestringpuller: oh hanbot ? on the bitcointalk forums
thestringpuller: who other than a nice person would sacrifice their sanity to try an educate lemmings for a paycheck?
mircea_popescu: bounce "idiots seldom differ" is apparently a natural law, not merely a clever theorem.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller an asshole ?
mircea_popescu: or otherwise, an underpaid public worker. like you know, a schoolteacher.
mircea_popescu: MolokoDesk you know thinking about it... you're very likely exactly correct.
mircea_popescu: first explanation i ever heard that fits the observable data and doesn't require active malice.
mircea_popescu: which, contrary to what people think, is extremely expensive and thus quite a rare thing.
bounce: one might surmise that greatness of mind is orthogonal to what minds think about
asciilifeform: malice - expensive? sure. only in the sense an arsonist's ir laser to torch 'reichstag' from 10km away is expensive. the fuel for the fire - 'watershed management' or whatever idiocy of the day - is cheap.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, i mean psychologically expensive.
bounce: wtf is this watershed management model thing?
mircea_popescu: and ftr, watershed management is, if somewhat staid, perfectly valid agriculture
mircea_popescu: which is a sort of engineering, for people thatdidn't get into metals scohol.
asciilifeform: point being, a small (biomass-wise, in the count of active participants) malicious agenda goes a long way coupled with great quantity of passive (non-malicious executors) biomass.
mircea_popescu: sure, but it's easier to teach someone math than to teach someone to be effectually malicious
mircea_popescu: and most people can't be bothered to learn math.
asciilifeform: teaching to follow directions and doing a maliciously-selected but eminently-reasonable thing - easy.
bounce: disagree. for malice you need a certain amount of cunning. if you have that, it's easy. if not, it's hard.
mircea_popescu: sure. but those don't matter anyway.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you're basically looking at the cables. the cables aren't a machine, the transistors are th machine.
bounce: cunning and disregard for consequences or at least disbelief in your own responsibility
mircea_popescu: the nonlinear junction is the machine. and nonlinear junction is expensive.
asciilifeform: both are essentials of machine
asciilifeform: what is one, without other.
mircea_popescu: bounce no see, the brain is not an abstraction, it's an evolved mechanism. thus it has some channels which work a certain way to maintain it alive. malice requires your ability to isolate super processes from micro processes, so to have the former work backwards.
mircea_popescu: this is an extremely difficult proposition.
mircea_popescu: hence the "conscience", a pop reference to that fixed cost.
bounce: without conscience there's no cost
mircea_popescu: no, the cost is there. conscience is just the name for it.
mircea_popescu: the name for it you're familiar with, anyway.
bounce: not everyone is actually burdened by such a thing. there's a reason petty crooks end up in the slammer time and again: inability to own up to their own misdeeds, to admit it was them that dunnit.
mircea_popescu: to bluntly simplify, what's good for the cell is good for the organ is good for the organism is good for the group is good for the world. and that's how it naturally acts.
mircea_popescu: if you actually flip a bit in there, you'll need a shitton of boundry tests to not kill yourself with it.
mircea_popescu: this is actually false.
mircea_popescu: think about it : they DO end up back in, right ?
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mircea_popescu: they're not like 10x more difficult to catch each pass, are they ?
mircea_popescu: well then...
bounce: most of the time not of their own volition.
mircea_popescu: so then they are burdened.
mircea_popescu: not in one way, but who says that's got to be the way.
bounce: then they get out, and are unburdened again. and right out after the easy low fruit they're not supposed to take again.
mircea_popescu: not at all.
mircea_popescu: they get out, still burdened by the ill effects of their mismanaged flipped bit
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: no way! and yo upaid for the lemmings to be educated. that makes you a saint possibly.
mircea_popescu: which is how they get caught. because the code is broken
mircea_popescu: and it's broken because malice is expensive to write in software.
thestringpuller: A truly selfless act.
mircea_popescu: of any kind.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller it just makes me rich enough.
bounce: uhm. the expense is in the disagreeability of the rest of society, in fact it's the totality of society that bears the cost
mircea_popescu: not at all.
mircea_popescu: the expense is in that it's fucking hard to have asm instructions add one way
mircea_popescu: and then arbitrary in the stack add the other way.
mircea_popescu: and still have the rest of the code work.
mircea_popescu: let me go into details here, make a full model, save you some effort.
bounce: aight
mircea_popescu: suppose we live in a fully defined world with a fully exposed api consisting of two functions
mircea_popescu: rightthing() and wrongthing()
mircea_popescu: cell gets low on adp. cell calls rightthing() gets more energy.
mircea_popescu: body gets low on glucose. pancreas calls rightthing() releases some glicogen from liver
thestringpuller: glycogen*
mircea_popescu: person is hungry. calls rightthing() gets a job.
mircea_popescu: now, obviously, person could also call wrongthing() steal bounce's sandwich.
mircea_popescu: but the intricacies of calling wrongthing() in such a way as to not break the entire fucking stack are staggering.
thestringpuller: wrongthing can be right thing sometimes no?
mircea_popescu: brain is a repeating mechanism. next time person is in situation he may call wrongthing() again at a wrong time.
thestringpuller: what if stealing is the persons job?
mircea_popescu: how's one to know
thestringpuller: i.e. corporate espionage, professional art thief?
mircea_popescu: arguably.
mircea_popescu: which is why this is so damned expensive.
mircea_popescu: but if anyone's looking for intricate ways to waste their time, feel free to model a 5 layer system of successive binary calls like that, see how it affects population survavibility and how much space you need to be able to safely fire off both kinds.
mircea_popescu: should take care of about a year's worth of your time.
thestringpuller: or a year of a computer's time?
mircea_popescu: at a damage of 14.4k, as per the most recent data.
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thestringpuller: ;;ticker
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bounce: it seems to me that the prevalence of crime even in an otherwise well-run system would indicate that this model of implied excessive cost isn't representative
mircea_popescu: anyway, the implications of a call aren't always obvious, which is a point well understood by security analysts, especilally with all the practice of late, and also how we ended up with all that sweet greek mythology about fate.
mircea_popescu: bounce i don't follow the logic there.
bounce: .oO( efficacy of greek mythology vs. computer security, discuss in a ten page essay )
mircea_popescu: im saying routers are expensive, you're saying there's a lot of internet traffic.
mircea_popescu: ok. so ?
bounce: there's plenty routers that do mostly the right thing but then subtly the wrong thing in some cases, and the costs doesn't show up as prohibitive
mircea_popescu: not a good rendition of the analogy tho.
bounce: (there's this example of big brand name (cisco, forgot the model) routers taking ttl 0 packets and sending them out again with ttl 255)
mircea_popescu: let's approach this with different instrumentation.
mircea_popescu: where do you suppose it's more likely for a suprlus to accumulate, urban or rural setting ?
bounce: surplus in what sense?
mircea_popescu: any sense.
mircea_popescu: some sort of resource.
kakobrekla: urban = surplus of garbage, rural = surplus of garbage disposal area
mircea_popescu: uh. a hole is not a resource.
bounce: well, I'd imagine that food surplusses are more likely in rural settings, and surplusses of "unwanted things" would be more likely in urban areas
mircea_popescu: bounce who's morel ikely to be rich ?
mircea_popescu: if i show you two people that's all you know about em.
kakobrekla: can you dig infinite amount of holes? no.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla yes, because i can dig hole within hole.
kakobrekla: thats where the human fish lives.
kakobrekla: (aka Proteus anguinus)
mircea_popescu: bounce also, postmodernism is fucking with me. pretend the year is 1950.
mircea_popescu: back when urban and rural even meant something anymore.
bounce: there'll be yokels and fat farmers just like there'll be city bums and rich city folk. though I suppose the city folk might be more likely to have opportunity to amass riches.
mircea_popescu: aand where's malice going to be found as an art for its own sake ?
mircea_popescu: peasants can't afford to be assholes.
bounce: well, you won't find cattle rustlers in the city
mircea_popescu: the "good hardworking type" myth is exactly that, too fucking exhausted to be evil.
mircea_popescu: bounce yes, you will. spending their cattle rustling money trying to impress the wenches.
mircea_popescu: ;;seen klye
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mircea_popescu: and since we're on it, the "keep her busy" ideology of metastatic xtianity is exactly the same. "no time to think evil." they actually go out and say it.
thickasthieves: all stress is an expense
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves quite.
mircea_popescu: and here we make the junction with how lying is an expensive activity - you gotta keep track of all the lies.
mircea_popescu: same principle.
bounce: though I'll grant that mobsters risk stomach ulcers more than most other people
thickasthieves: <+mircea_popescu> thestringpuller it just makes me rich enough. // is there a difference, maybe a saint was "rich" enough too
mircea_popescu: bounce never knew one that had ulcer. plenty of govt drones did, tho. fancy that.
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves can you name a rich saint ?
bounce was referring to some scientific study or other. says something about gov't dunnit guv
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla wow i had no idea.
mircea_popescu: salamanders apparently.
thickasthieves: define rich
mircea_popescu: uhm. enough to pay girlies to show their tits ? i dunno.
thickasthieves: without restraints, might be my definition
bounce: though the expense of lies is exactly in the tracking to try and keep'em straight. in some circles the lies fly so thick that everybody knows there's lots of lying going on, so there's very little point in keeping'em straight
thickasthieves: when you are rich enough to do wtf you want, you can practice sainthood and all kinds of "expensive" behavior
mircea_popescu: bounce right back to the routers example :)
bounce: does mean a lot of arguing and "convincing" and other crap. doesn't mean the cost keeps on going up; at some point the belief just stops.
mircea_popescu: exactly, an abundance in practice does not speak as to how the behaviour is expensive.
bounce: practicing for sainthood isn't that expensive really.
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves or just as well could not
thickasthieves: it's very expensive
thickasthieves: sainthood might even be one of the most expensive things
mircea_popescu: i'm with him. telling an asshole to go fuck himself is hands down the hardest thing for people.
mircea_popescu: ;;google other people's lives
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thickasthieves: the only real currency we have is time
mircea_popescu: totally the illustration for this.
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thickasthieves: telling an asshole to go fuck himself isnt that expensive, but getting him to agree and understand is
mircea_popescu: uh. that's nonsense.
mircea_popescu: how are ~you~ going to ... ~get him to~
thickasthieves: go fuck yourself
thickasthieves: such battle!
bounce: go on, you know you wanna
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mircea_popescu: fucking oneself ain't all that it's cracked up to be anyway.
mircea_popescu: (geddit ? cracked hah hah)
bounce: quick, cracked on reddit
bounce: geddit.com, all the jokes from reddit
mircea_popescu: reddit has jokes now ?!
mircea_popescu: "knock knock" "whos there" "privilege checking"
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bounce: wonder if you can quantify the damage to society by things like that month in jail for essentially no reason
chetty: the fear of it is a lot bigger problem
chetty: per trilema latest article ...insecurity
thickasthieves: chill factor
thickasthieves: now i cant feel safe with utensils in car
bounce: the fear of it and the government losing legitimacy, yes. wasn't thinking just the economic side of things.
mircea_popescu: bounce it's not the month in jail, just like the problem with stealing isn't really that omg, someone's going to miss what you stole.
mircea_popescu: it's the fact that she now can't plan, because lo and behold, randomly sent to jail.
mircea_popescu: so why even bother with those violin classes she was saving up for ?
thickasthieves: music industry death by spoon
mircea_popescu: it's deeper than the govt legitimacy problem, too. it's the conventional nature of it that's the major destructive factor.
mircea_popescu: were she mauled by a savage beast, while unfortunate, it is quite natural.
mircea_popescu: but this is conventional and as such brings into question convention altgoether, as a device.
mircea_popescu: which is a lot more than the statal excrescency on human society.
chetty: (we leave out the month she probably ought to get for eating that crud, but I digress)
mircea_popescu: bounce to rehash a limb of the previous discussion, you maybe heard that the best way to sink a good start-up is a bad revenue source early on. same thing with your thief : the opportunity cost of being a criminal is major in that you don't feel as much pressure to develop more useful traits.
mircea_popescu: for instance, hand't i been a gangster when i was in my teens, i could have gone to school, where i'd have learned many valuable skills and in time maybe even ended up a major revolutionary entrepreneur.
mircea_popescu: the moral of this koan being that nothing is quantifiable, except for the things which are already : energy and matter. not space, not time, not the chain of causality.
bounce: well, if you go there I say "uncertainty principle" and energy and matter go out the window too
mircea_popescu: the uncertainity principle is exactly due to their being quantified
bounce: or we could consider that accounting seems pretty solid on the outside but then proceeds to consist of lots and lots of handwaving. "what's this worth? well, uhm... how about $thismuch?"
bounce: so the question is more of a "can we put some numbers on this?", of about the same accuracy as typical economic numbers like GDP
chetty: accounting, also know as legerdemain
bounce: could even work out what's supposed to be the optimal speed through the system and so what the size of the various budgets like for forensic labs should be
mircea_popescu: well of course we can put some numbers on this.
mircea_popescu: or if you want i has larger amounts of numbers too.
mircea_popescu: suppose you tell me what number you'd like put on it and we can both go home having recreated the entire us state in five minutes.
bounce: doesn't say what the bond was set at
chetty: 42
bounce: 4 is random enough for me, thanks
thickasthieves: silver and gold are hurtin
mats_cd03: i could not ascertain whether 'ashley huff' is a common name for whites or blacks through research
mats_cd03 trying to evaluate likelihood of being detained over meth spoon
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Dimsler: looks like 91 / 92 was the ashleys
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mats_cd03: my research suggests it is a predominantly white surname.
mircea_popescu: ashely ? prolly.
Dimsler: probably a whitey then
mats_cd03: >> white last names with greatest likelihood: Yoder 98.1% Krueger 97.1% Mueller 97% Koch 96.9% schwartz 96.8% novak 96.8% schneider 96.7% schroeder 96.7% haas 96.7%
thickasthieves: never met a person with any of those
Dimsler: well huff might be some form of bastardization
Dimsler: could have been huffington
thickasthieves: yeha huff sounds like some euro name that got chopped during immigrations
mats_cd03: i have met people with all of those surnames
Dimsler: lol those are all predmoninatly german / jew
mats_cd03: being born a german jew would probably be equivalent to living life on easy mode
mats_cd03: oughta develop a dope addiction. balance things out.
bounce: that really doesn't make sense
mats_cd03: my reality is warped
bounce: rode to school in the warped bus, eh
chetty: hahahaha: tweet: There's not much room left under the Obama bus.
mike_c: ;;later tell hanbot it's working now. looks like it was a problem talking to bitbet server. improving the error message is on the todo list. thanks for the bug report.
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mike_c: kakobrekla: ping.
mike_c: and for the record, moving sucks.
kakobrekla: even if its just the servers.
bounce: on that note, next after obamaman will be what, a republican, maybe a tea-partier, and he'll go make war on whose asses?
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03 pretty much central europeans are the us repository of whiteness.
mircea_popescu: bounce nah, democrats never lose an election again, for as long as the pretense of a usa is maintained hence.
bounce: o_O?
bounce: yet another "yes we can"-campaign then?
mircea_popescu: maybe hilary runs
mircea_popescu: or who knows.
bounce: michele vs. hillary
mircea_popescu: maybe you get to have some actual fun and the same candidate is endorsed by both caucuses
mircea_popescu: "national unity"
bounce: won't happen. this schizophrenic one party system has a serious aversion to truth in politics.
bounce: and it'd fsck with the sport of brinkmanship
mircea_popescu: depends where the angle is.
mircea_popescu: usians are notoriously idiotic in that they act all smug about how they're special to have had an axe handle shoved up the butt.
mircea_popescu: so maybe we get to see the first one party system in history where people enthusiastically support the idea.
mircea_popescu: (first only in the us sense of that term, of course)
bounce: (which is the only things that counts. provincials.)
mircea_popescu: you could say that before angie duff of derpytown, montana thought to dress in a sheet for her school play role as a roman matron
mircea_popescu: nobody even knew that's how the roman matrons dressed.
mircea_popescu: all her.
asciilifeform: single-party << usa had this, in multi-muppet mode, for years.
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bounce: let'em go and never let'em return
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punkman: "nine technical leaders wrote a report, entitled IEEE CS 2022, surveying 23 innovative technologies that could change the industry by the year 2022" < didn't mention bitcoin, because what is a computer and how do I even use it
assbot: Harvest for the world: France's army of grape-pickers in pictures | Art and design | The Guardian
assbot: The hot new ‘consent’ app, Good2Go, is logging the name and phone number of everyone you have sex with - The Washington Post
assbot: /bruces Nobody wants to see Buffet naked.
punkman: check out JuliaTourianski spreading the word https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKVb2xFtoro
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hanbot: punkman that good2go piece reads like advertising
hanbot: let's leave out the question of whether you should fuck if your decision making relies on a dumbed-down cosmo quiz and pepper the name of the thing with "hot" and "trendy"
hanbot: all while catering to what insecure users would actually like, which is broadcasting their conquests, real or imagined, to the world.
assbot: Can Someone Just Invent an 'I Consent to Sex' iPhone App Already? - Hit & Run : Reason.com
punkman: "The legislature is telling state universities to more aggressively involve themselves in their students' sex lives."
punkman: I think the university should just film everything, help them pay off that debt
bounce: "help them"? it'll claim the rights and fsck the students.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15200 @ 0.0007503 = 11.4046 BTC [-]
punkman: bounce, perfect
hanbot: lol punkman. financial aid dorm, now with free cams.
asciilifeform: the 'sex contract' app may be lame - but there's an actual market for solving actual problem there.
asciilifeform: unfortunately the only pill against the problem is: suitcase, airplane, new (non-usaschwitz) passport.
asciilifeform: there's an interesting set of legal precedents in usa, invalidating any and all concept of sex contract (consent can be withdrawn, e.g., five minutes... 'in' - and thereby, retroactively, if you like, because 'i cancelled five minutes in, in my head, after that it was a rape') etc.
mats_cd03: not just usa. ask mr. assange
dignork: punkman: not sure about legality, but there is a cypherpunk solution: video recording crypted by 3 keys (Shamir's scheme), 2 keys needed to decode, 1 key at court, 2 other keys are of the involved parties
dignork: doesn't scale to group sex though
asciilifeform: 'usaschwitz' should be understood to mean all of nato and quasi-nato u.s. colonies.
hanbot: asciilifeform> unfortunately the only pill against the problem is: suitcase, airplane, new (non-usaschwitz) passport << which is why using app as palliative is particularly heinous (or particularly attractive depending on user sanity)
asciilifeform: hanbot: this is reminiscent of the debate regarding whether folks being burned at the stake should or should not get a little sack of gunpowder to wear around their neck
asciilifeform: hanbot: or whether folks sentenced to sit on a stake should get oiled or not oiled stake.
bounce: so, where do I pull me some new non-tainted passports out of the passport dispenser?
asciilifeform: bounce: 'if you gotta ask, answer is no' or something like that.
asciilifeform: (if i had answer, i'd be posting 'best of buenos aires restaurants' photos along with mircea_popescu)
hanbot: why not the debate regarding whether people drowning in puddles should be given a swat?
asciilifeform: basic mechanics of escape from a gravity well - and of escape from a country - are very similar, i dare say. you need sufficient energy (usually in the form of hard currency, but can be some unusual substitute like familial, mob, or military 'in
asciilifeform: ' connections)
asciilifeform: problem of escape is also usefully divisible into two distinct sub-problems - how to get out of X, and how to find Y such that you can eat there and avoid whatever it was that you weren't so fond of at X.
asciilifeform: -- also you will need to remove little embedded shrapnel of X from inside your head. this may be the hardest part for some people. visit, e.g, Brooklyn, New York to see what failure looks like here.
hanbot: never been stuck in a gravity well, but i find escape from most anything hinges on ability to recognize and part with things that aren't needed. escape based on what one'd rather keep/is fond of mostly consists of waiting afaik.
thickasthieves: ;;ticker
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punkman: from over here, it looks to me like half of you wannabe escapees just love murica too much to leave
asciilifeform: folks who actually want to escape from -everything-... fellate their pistols. a more selective solution - takes finesse and resources.
asciilifeform: punkman: i personally don't know anyone in love with the geography. but people do get attached to food, shelter.
hanbot: <asciilifeform> -- also you will need to remove little embedded shrapnel of X from inside your head. this may be the hardest part for some people << always a bitch. the good kind, tho'.
asciilifeform: most people in usa understand that no one, across any ocean, is holding his breath waiting for them.
hanbot: food and shelter are a lot easier to acquire when you let go of stuff you don't need. that latter part tends to be harder.
asciilifeform: hanbot: if you've the time - elaborate. which things ought people let go of ?
asciilifeform: hanbot: if you meant luxuries - cars, houses, etc. - americans are having a fine time 'letting go' of these, with a little help from an imploding economy and hungry creditors...
hanbot: well naturally varies from one person to the next. if there were an omnipotent list it'd effectively remove the likely most widespread item: fear.
asciilifeform: hanbot: dare i ask, what did you personally let go of.
hanbot: in terms of physical stuff i left the us with a suitcase. more important imo was actually letting go of the place itself and one's place within it --possibly never to be reunited.
hanbot: kinda like getting served a bad meal at some restaurant and deciding you're not going there anymore, whether it's the only restaurant in town or not, whether that's where all your friends go, etc.
asciilifeform: hanbot: with the exception of hereditary peasants, bound to the soil, etc - can't picture who is attached to the 'place' per se
asciilifeform: hanbot: friends - sure. (though they are still your friends, presumably, over telegraph)
hanbot: eh, it's hard for people not to take it personally. i won't eat their sammiches, ergo i despise them!
hanbot: and it may not be the place per se, love for a certain avenue or whatnot, but fear of what's left when x certification or y language mastery doesn't matter so much anymore.
asciilifeform: hanbot: i suspect that it isn't leaving with suitcase that bothers people, but for the most part a rational calculation of whether leaving would in fact give them increased freedom - or not - to do the kind of things they actually want to do.
hanbot: hehe how's one supposed to do such rational calculations from inside a closed box?
asciilifeform: hanbot: usually, by the time leaving seems like a good idea regardless, it is far too late.
asciilifeform: hanbot: sometimes, calculation is fairly simple. you're in a box. outside - vacuum of far space.
asciilifeform: hanbot: so you stay in.
asciilifeform: hanbot: possibly try to construct a suit, sure. but not going into vacuum until suit is reasonably airtight.
punkman: so it's a rationalizing calculation :P
asciilifeform: punkman: rationalizing << let's have the harsh light of the cold truth, then..?
hanbot: well if you can and want to use assumptions about the space outside, that works. the problem is those assumptions may well be poor given data collection capabilities from inside the box, and for all you know you're being fed data to make you toil over impossible suits for the purpose of keeping you inside.
punkman: asciilifeform: what the hell do I know, I'm far away
asciilifeform: hanbot: i can only speak for myself, really, but i do have a fairly solid picture of what kind of life folks with profession similar to my own live, in various parts of the world, and how much sweat they must sweat, vs. i at my duties, and so forth.
asciilifeform: i should probably point out that unlike many people i know in usa, i'm generally more interested in aggregate free time than usual luxuries. this gives me a somewhat perverse incentive structure.
bounce: thou shalt consuuuuuuuuuume
asciilifeform: happy to consume: food, water, plenty of mains current, the occasional bit of scrap metal.
bounce: the state religion for domestic consumtion (the pun is mandatory, citizen). the one for export is called "democracy". and the motivation is "let's find us something to make war against"
bounce: apparently that's all they need to keep ticking.
asciilifeform: the picture of usa 'ticking' because of some abstract ideal like 'war' or 'consumption' is mistake. rather it's more like the tissues of a corpse that can ferment anaerobically, living on for days or even weeks past burial
hanbot: asciilifeform well that's cool, gotta work with what you've got and all. if what you've got is profession-dictated structure, then sure, i can see it. it's an uncomfortable thought but at some point it may become necessary to weigh the importance of that structure against the importance of freedom.
hanbot: which reminds me, recall mircea_popescu's bit with the captured mouse in the jar?
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell mats_cd03 I'll prolly have a list soon
gribble: The operation succeeded.
hanbot: soft nose ---> sharp metal points repeatedly probably not in his manual
bounce: the state doesn't seem quite dead yet. crumbling, grasping, but not quite dead yet.
asciilifeform: hanbot: it isn't really a 'profession structure' in my case. yes, for some people, 'i'm a lawyer and without that i'm nothing, where's my pistol' etc. these folks dropped like flies in '90s russia, say. but i'm more of - 'if i can move across the sea, but have to work as shoemaker in a cellar for 12h day, instead of 'turning the right screw' here in usa, why do i need to buy plane ticket? i can do the shoemaker th
xanthyos: ;;later tell davidldubuc glad you dug your private key out of that train station dumpster.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
hanbot: ah, so not an issue of "can't" then, but of not being worth it? well that's perfectly sound. most people i talk to about leaving the us are on the "can't" wagon.
asciilifeform: hanbot: technically, anyone who can scrape together the loose change for a plane ticket - and can physically get to airport - 'can.'
asciilifeform: hanbot: just like the fellow in space capsule, simply can open air lock and see the stars.
hanbot: yes, but in their own minds. they'll contract flesh-eating muggerbugs or w/e and not be able to find any toilet paper.
danielpbarron: xanthyos, lol did he really?
xanthyos: omg danielpbarron is speaking to me
xanthyos: no, it's a joke that he might
xanthyos: and only then be able to receive the msg
xanthyos: someone on tinychat tried to sell me btc, i set a price 5% under spot and was ready to buy, thesy stlled me out for hours, then said they changed their mind
danielpbarron: i don't think the price will go much lower than 380
xanthyos: i do, but i'm going long term
xanthyos: i can afford to go bust, i'm not going all in
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xanthyos: haven't heard from stander since nitrogensports.eu opened and had a promised 5 btc freeroll on opening night, then was conveniently ddossed, and promises a 10 btc freeroll that has yet to be scheduled
xanthyos: basically i think they never intended a 5 btc freeroll, they were hoping to sign up a lot of a ccounts in the run-up to a big freeroll, and hope that some account generators would then deposiot
hanbot: asciilifeform incidentally this has left me wondering what free time is worth if you don't perceive that you're free. if you can still do all you want to do, though, great!
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asciilifeform: hanbot: for me, it's the question of imprisoned now or later.
xanthyos: so now any future freeroll will be from the rake they've generated and they can promote it without risking any overhead btc
xanthyos: jsut a theory
danielpbarron: p.good theory
asciilifeform: hanbot: if i had to do a conventional 'job', with physical movement and shifts, the kind that actually leaves you tired at the end of a day - that'd be much like prison.
asciilifeform: hanbot: mircea_popescu was once puzzled why people will break their backs to make pennies 'while they sleep.' i always understood why.
danielpbarron: i like being tired at the end of the day; it's the all-year-long monotony of "conventional" jobs that I loath
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: tired is fine when you tired because you were acting on own volition.
hanbot is attempting to sort out the transactional mess here
asciilifeform: hanbot: you were not mistaken in figuring that i'm one of the people weighed down by addiction to luxuries. but the only luxury i really give a damn about is free time.
bounce was just reading a text about buddhism, from some tibetan guy went and lived in the yoosah. said it was all about freedom. and that it's all in your mind. that's right, freedom in your mind. -- maybe this'll go over better if actually imprisoned in the yoosah, maybe.
mod6: %t
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asciilifeform: perhaps also worth noting is that, imho, 'free time' is not only a freedom to act, but having with what to act. hence there is a difference between the free time of prisoner and non-prisoner.
mats_cd03: so lets cut to the chase. do you have a number for your 'fuck you money'?
xanthyos: !up bagels7
hanbot: so if i'm condensing this correctly, you want time in which to not be told what to do (free time), for which you must pay with an overarching adherence to what you're told to do (living in us)?
asciilifeform: mats_cd03: depends on hypothetical destination. but, overall, just picture a figure large enough to 'become taleb' and live as 'gentleman scholar' in total disconnect from economic reality around you.
asciilifeform: hanbot: naturally, i, and everything alive, would rather have ininite pony and pay with - nothing. but thermodynamics disagrees.
thickasthieves: limits are liberating
thickasthieves: if you could do anything anytime, you might do nothing all the time
asciilifeform: thickasthieves: arbeit macht frei ?
hanbot: asciilifeform: indeed. does thermodynamics preclude there being moar options besides submission to big bad or nothing, tho?
thickasthieves: i wouldnt put it that way ascii, but sure
asciilifeform: !s cheetah zoo
thickasthieves: the problem i have is that i think it's okay to be free enough to do nothing all the time
thickasthieves: so work specificlaly isnt exactly better, but it is liberating
asciilifeform: for some people, having a master feels liberating, sure. no disputing this.
thickasthieves: we're like babies making sure the edge of the womb is within reach
hanbot: godspeed freedom cheetah
asciilifeform: cheetah needs to find hole. or invent bolt-cutters.
asciilifeform: notice that 'wait to be lifted' isn't on the list. no one steals a cheetah except to place in another zoo.
thickasthieves: some cheetahs are used for gene diversification
thickasthieves: notexactly a zoo, but similar in practice
asciilifeform: thickasthieves: that would fall under 'other zoo' scenario, no ?
thickasthieves: in the end yeah, many such conservations even have tours...
hanbot: did the ELF never steal a cheetah?
asciilifeform: steal and turn loose in africa, or on city streets ? makes a difference.
hanbot: eh i guess they didn't (searching turns up some delightful headlines however, incl. "Rx Generic Viagra - The Parrot Liberation Front"). anyway, i suppose he's free to die trying.
bounce: just dying isn't really allowed, no
asciilifeform: fortunately, dying trying doesn't cost anything.
BingoBoingo: mats_cd03: >> white last names with greatest likelihood: Yoder 98.1% Krueger 97.1% Mueller 97% Koch 96.9% schwartz 96.8% novak 96.8% schneider 96.7% schroeder 96.7% haas 96.7% << I've met 8 of these surnames
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mircea_popescu: holy shit logs.
mircea_popescu: well, brb, i need a drink
nubbins`: a wild poster appeared ;0
RagnarDanneskjol: awesome... needs bigger
nubbins`: to be fair, that's an unusually large pole
nubbins`: this is a trial run, wanted to make sure the guy didn't suck before i get him to post larger ones
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nubbins`: hmmmm...
bounce: where is this? they have underground buses!
nubbins`: yeah, okay, +1
nubbins`: bounce lives in a city without tunnels 8)
mircea_popescu: nubbins` o.O
nubbins`: looks a bit lonely, hey
nubbins`: BingoBoingo: "BREAKING NEWS: Ebola stocks surge"
BingoBoingo: Amazing Hemorage!!!
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
nubbins`: you should see the rest of the pictures the guy took. not sure if drunk or couldn't find flash button
nubbins`: C- would not pay again
mircea_popescu: nubbins` most ppl dunno how to use the soap bar.
nubbins`: fair enough
mircea_popescu: punkman: "nine technical leaders" <<< ahahaha just this.
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mircea_popescu: o look, nubbins`! faeries!
nubbins`: just think, all cohen wanted people to do was light a match
nubbins`: now you gotta have a cell phone contract if you wanna play!
mircea_popescu: don't be the person that you came with!
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mircea_popescu: hanbot: punkman that good2go piece reads like advertising << duh. how do you think the pretense of "media" is preserved ? edvertising!
nubbins`: man i'm reading this article about cohen now and the asshole who wrote it seriously just referred to federico lorca as "gabriel garcia lorca"
mircea_popescu: punkman: I think the university should just film everything, help them pay off that debt <<< you sound like motherfucking mp.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` what's in a book.
nubbins`: too many words, it turns out
mircea_popescu: hanbot: lol punkman. financial aid dorm, now with free cams. << shit, didn't i come up with that idea like 5 years ago ?
mircea_popescu: free rent all glass front apts ?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> punkman: I think the university should just film everything, help them pay off that debt <<< you sound like motherfucking mp. << Upgrade the dorms to... STUDIOS!
bounce: shoulda patented it
nubbins`: <+mircea_popescu> don't be the person that you came with! << !
mircea_popescu: bounce i patited it.
nubbins`: BingoBoingo so what's the actual version number? 6.3?
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Prolly 6.4
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03: not just usa. ask mr. assange <<< no, it;'s just the usa
mircea_popescu: !up test___
nubbins`: heaven forbid they commit one way or the other
mircea_popescu: that's why getting him there was so important for the swedish collaborationists.
test___: Hi. Just checking out this channel.
mircea_popescu: that's why their failure to do so collapsed the whole thing.
nubbins`: hi test___
mircea_popescu: test___ so who're you ?
test___: Me. ;)
mircea_popescu: "when one peers into the void, the void peers right back"
nubbins`: BingoBoingo one guy: "Windows X.11 for workgroups"
nubbins`: few jokes in there
bounce: not quite the void, but lots of peering
mircea_popescu: dignork: doesn't scale to group sex though <<< course it does.
nubbins`: everything scales to group sex
mircea_popescu: nubbins` doesn't nubbins sound like he just got some.
bounce: windows for groupsex? o_O?
nubbins`: mircea_popescu i'm in my prime, i generally sound like that 8)
test___: *everything scales to group sex* Will keep an eye to this channel to confirm that!
BingoBoingo: test___: Generally that's the topic
nubbins`: wait, i get it. they skipped windows 9 because 7 8 9 :(
nubbins`: funnier if you say it out loud
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Microsoft's next release is XWindows
mircea_popescu: awww no windex ?
BingoBoingo: No, Proctor and Gamble make Windex
BingoBoingo: In their artisan chemistry shop
dignork: mircea_popescu: with group sex, let's say you had 4-way, so you get 5 signatures with at least 4 to redeem, but only one claims rape against another one - you don't have enough keys
mircea_popescu: you suppose naming your kid gamble is likely to give him a head start in lif ?
nubbins`: better than proctor
BingoBoingo: I might name a kid gamble nao.
mircea_popescu: best scam ever would be for this priest in this small village to register births under arbitrary names
BingoBoingo: I just like how XWindows was annouced the day ebola was annouced in the US
mircea_popescu: then when the kids turn 14 or w/e...
bounce: why'd he bother? they're his anyhow.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu> best scam ever would be for this priest in this small village to register births under arbitrary names << Isn't this why you commishun'd Deedsbot?
mircea_popescu: maybe he's impotent and jealous on all the other priests ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo lol right.
mircea_popescu: because people who have sigs really need names.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> because people who have sigs really need names << Not to register people's names, but subjects names
mircea_popescu: shit i put vinegar on my shirt ;/
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: 'usaschwitz' should be understood to mean all of nato and quasi-nato u.s. colonies. << subtle difference between cccp and warsaw pact.
mircea_popescu: bout the same relationship between us and the swedish government say.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: -- also you will need to remove little embedded shrapnel of X from inside your head. this may be the hardest part for some people. visit, e.g, Brooklyn, New York to see what failure looks like here. << very true, but wtf, why brooklyin ?!
BingoBoingo: Why not Brooklyn, Illinois?
mircea_popescu: hanbot: hehe how's one supposed to do such rational calculations from inside a closed box? << ha! she got you there.
BingoBoingo: ;;google "Brooklyn, Illinois"
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mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo never been to that one.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Pretty much nothing but strip clubs, fun town.
mircea_popescu: twenty years ago brooklyn still rocked. decay noticeable in the air, like dogs can smell snow. but it still rocked.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: hanbot: sometimes, calculation is fairly simple. you're in a box. outside - vacuum of far space. <<< dude get out, people live everywhere people live.
mircea_popescu: xanthyos: basically i think they never intended a 5 btc freeroll, they were hoping to sign up a lot of a ccounts in the run-up to a big freeroll, and hope that some account generators would then deposiot << what a great way to start something
mircea_popescu: especially a gambling something.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: hanbot: you were not mistaken in figuring that i'm one of the people weighed down by addiction to luxuries. but the only luxury i really give a damn about is free time. <<< this is so funny.
mircea_popescu: i've never seen anyone with more free time than south americans.
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves: we're like babies making sure the edge of the womb is within reach <<< yes. but devoid of the conveniently muscled uterus and its precise timers.
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nubbins`: <+mircea_popescu> i've never seen anyone with more free time than south americans. << lel
nubbins`: when i was in colombia, i had dinner with a german scuba instructor. he said "if you needed to study and pass a test to be a boat captain in Taganga, there would be no boat captains in Taganga"
jurov: <hanbot> which reminds me, recall mircea_popescu's bit with the captured mouse in the jar? << actually, if rats are given transparent lid they go into full learned helplessness
jurov: in few days
jurov: and won't try to jump off even after lid is taken away
jurov: there was plenty of research
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hanbot: <mircea_popescu> hanbot: lol punkman. financial aid dorm, now with free cams. << shit, didn't i come up with that idea like 5 years ago ? << but you forgot to make intellectual property dorm :D (srsly tho, i'd forgotten meanwhile)
jurov: go to 0:20
hanbot: jurov will the rats starve in there? or given food & reasonable temps etc?
kakobrekla: i hope she is getting paid
mircea_popescu: hanbot likely story
mircea_popescu can't be bothered to video. what's in pornhub link ?
jurov: she's showing off trezor
kakobrekla: trezor, without quotes
mircea_popescu: hehe so what's the problem with that
mircea_popescu: ppl stealing my ideas is what open source is all about.
jurov: hanbot yes they were fed, researchers were mostly interested in resulting depression
hanbot: jurov and i thought cosmetics testing was sad
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jurov: A free-programming language is available for generating custom procedures.
BingoBoingo: jurov: All of those cages seem small for mice of interesting size...
jurov: i refuse to investigate further
mircea_popescu: jurov mice or rats, incidentally ?
cazalla: JuliaTourianski, gee you really upset reddit
mircea_popescu: lol what's she do ?
cazalla: criticise circle
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I'm guessing she returned here and continued conversation
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Linky?
mircea_popescu: incidentally, re jurov's rats : i wonder what happens once "they" finally figure out a) how to induce headaches with RF economically and b) get the social media profiling fine enough. search for bad words on google ? headache, stfu.
kakobrekla: watch out for ddos police with liabilities
assbot: "Don't trust circle. Keep your own private keys" : Bitcoin
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla btw, im working on an article that'll put that entire thing into quite the lulzy monture.
BingoBoingo: cazalla: BTW how's the news business
mircea_popescu: cazalla oh, so she upset the usg agitators ? aww.
cazalla: BingoBoingo, still trying to think of a name
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Weren't there like 50 yesterday? Make an executive decision.
assbot: Logged on 30-09-2014 03:05:00; thickasthieves: call it The Biz
cazalla: BingoBoingo even
cazalla: drop the the, just call it facebook
BingoBoingo: cazalla: You forget autocomplete, call it Qiz
mircea_popescu: facebutt
mircea_popescu: Facebutt : The Safe Place For Buttheads!
BingoBoingo: Oh, I thought you were going to do something annilingus related there
BingoBoingo: Facebutt is pretty much the recipe for tossed salad
ben_vulpes: <bounce> michele vs. hillary << kirchner's in the usa!
ben_vulpes: ms clinton's eligible for the presidency in another year
ben_vulpes: clinton (8) + obama (8) + clinton (8) = 24
ben_vulpes: 24 + 16
ben_vulpes: (melia's 16)
ben_vulpes: it's not implausible.
nubbins`: why are we adding these numbers?
ben_vulpes: hillary rules for eight, michelle for eight, chelsea for eight, melia is now eligible for presidency.
nubbins`: feet (2) + ballhair (800) + ...oh, i see.
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: You forget a third Bush... For the pretense of a second Party
ben_vulpes: ah shit i did indeed
ben_vulpes: a fine dynastic do-si-do
ben_vulpes: 'swing yer partner round and round...'
BingoBoingo: You know it has been a while since a Roosevelt, but maybe we finally call in a Rockefeller off of the bench
BingoBoingo: Maybe that McCain kid is finally senile enough to be a reliable empty suit?
mircea_popescu: who's melia ?
ben_vulpes: ;;google melia
gribble: MELIA HOTELS INTERNATIONAL - MELIA - GRAN MELIA - SOL ...: <http://www.melia.com/>; Hotel Directory by Meliá Hotels International: <http://www.melia.com/hotels>; Meliá Nassau Beach - Hotel in Nassau - BAHAMAS - Meliá Hotels: <http://www.melia.com/en/hotels/bahamas/nassau/melia-nassau-beach/index.html>
ben_vulpes: it was a long shot
ben_vulpes: ;;google melia obama
gribble: Family of Barack Obama - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_of_Barack_Obama>; Malia and Sasha Obama Through the Years Photos - ABC News: <http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/photos/malia-sasha-obama-vacation-biking-16716893>; Malia Obama Birthday: First Daughter Turns 14, Her Most Stylish ...: <http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/03/malia-obama- (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: I dunno Sasha seems moar presedential than Malia
mircea_popescu: what was the name of that bush slut
mircea_popescu: that was changing her panties on the street at some point ?
ben_vulpes: p. sure those girls are out of the running.
BingoBoingo: I thought they were twins and so never got proper memorable names
mircea_popescu: i guess im phrasing this wrongly.
mircea_popescu: ;;google bush daughter slut change panties street corner
gribble: New NBC “Reporter” Jenna Bush Hager Must Leave Anti-American ...: <http://www.debbieschlussel.com/8033/new-nbc-reporter-jenna-bush-hager-must-leave-unicef-board/>; Bush - Drunken Stepfather: <http://drunkenstepfather.com/category/bush>; BookReader - Daddy_s slut girl (Egan Norma): <http://bookre.org/reader?file=78071>
mircea_popescu: ty google. you understand me.
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BingoBoingo: ^ Basically the story of Circle
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> what was the name of that bush slut < haha
JuliaTourianski: that's one of the best reactions I've gotten. at least they're not discussing what i look like.
BingoBoingo: JuliaTourianski: That's why I don't do video
ben_vulpes: <******> You've made three unsuccessful attempts to find your account. We've locked this session for security reasons. Please close and reopen your browser to start again. << annals of web security engineering
assbot: Stat pundit rankings: MLB 2014 over/under win totals | StatsbyLopez
BingoBoingo: So this Oakland/Kansas-Shitty Ace off already has point against both pitchers
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BingoBoingo: OMG MPOE crashing
atcbot: [X-BT VWAP] Bid: 170 Ask: 266 Last Price: 180 30d-Vol: 252k 30d-High: 266 30d-Low: 170 30d-VWAP: 191
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 300101.21 in 684 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -84.02
atcbot: >> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 139.27 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.26 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 1.83 TH/s
BingoBoingo: !up AMDCeleron
BingoBoingo: So AMDCeleron WHo are you really?
AMDCeleron: i like AMD better than Intel yet i got a Celeron cpu in my laptop
BingoBoingo: AMDCeleron: What are your thoughts on the AMD low power chips?
AMDCeleron: like amd c-60?
AMDCeleron: i had a netbook with c60 two years ago and it was ok i guess
BingoBoingo: Well, not that low power. Like the E-XXXX and its successors.
mircea_popescu: dignork nah, you make n of k sets signed in pairs
BingoBoingo: AMDCeleron: What are your thoughts on non-x86-BBQ chips?
AMDCeleron: like iphone chips?
AMDCeleron: BingoBoingo, i dont know i have had an amd cpu in a year
AMDCeleron: why do you care about what i think of AMD?
BingoBoingo: AMDCeleron: I'm talking beautiful stuff like IBM Power, Motorola 68k, Sun Sparc/Sparc64
BingoBoingo: AMDCeleron: I'm just curious about people's IRC nick strategies
AMDCeleron: not sure ive never really used it
AMDCeleron: I choose AMD because i like amd better than INtel, yet i have celeron n2830 in my laptop
BingoBoingo: AMDCeleron: WHy not give them both the finger and go Longsoon?
mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> <******> << the stars are secure
mircea_popescu: that's why used in pw fields.
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assbot: The Best Hot Dogs In America Are Going Extinct, And Everyone Wants A Bite Before It's Too Late
AMDCeleron: what is assbot
BingoBoingo: Assbot is kakobrekla's monster. In december it consumes the wrong kind of naughty Children.
cazalla: from that digital cc annual report - On 28 February 2014, Mt Gox, the online Bitcoin trading exchange filed for bankruptcy protection in Japan. At the time Mt Gox filed for bankruptcy, Digital CC Trading Pty Ltd (wholly owned subsidiary of the Group) held approximately $233,435 of bitcoins with Mt Gox. It is uncertain as to whether Digital CC Trading Pty Ltd will recover those bitcoins
cazalla: in the future and therefore the inventory has been written down in full.
cazalla: they incurred a loss of 11m for the financial year
BingoBoingo: cazalla: How much have you thought about non-name logistics for the news site?
cazalla: BingoBoingo, cart before horse much?
cazalla: jk of course
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Well, the first thing to have is probabaly a site pushing quality blocks of text. Within hours of settling on a domain.
BingoBoingo: ;;google site:trilema.com domain naming strategy
gribble: Why everything you think you know about DNS is entirely wrong pe ...: <http://trilema.com/2014/why-everything-you-think-you-know-about-dns-is-entirely-wrong/>; [Direct] BTC Growth - Forex Volatility Focus - Bitcoin Forum: <http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/mulhauser.html>; Ycombinator continues to suck, jointly and severally pe Trilema - Un ...: (1 more message)
cazalla: i figure modelling it after coinfire without all the silliness would be a start, see if i stick at it longer than a few months and then maybe bring some more people on board
BingoBoingo: cazalla: From the start I will be willing to contribute articles.
BingoBoingo: And suggestions, like Toolbox is the only useful Wordpress theme
mircea_popescu: cazalla sounds liek a sound plan actually.
cazalla: BingoBoingo, simpler the theme, the better
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Doesn't really get simpler. And as you get ideas about the look, you build from it.
cazalla: i use to use thesis for my wordpress sites though
cazalla: would you suggest latest wordpress ver or reverting to an older one? i have not used it much since 2.x
kakobrekla: fuck me. one of these days im gonna have a heart attack.
BingoBoingo: Everyone has their vices. BingoBlog's first theme was some swiss named default offered in lieu of ugly ass 20XX
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla wha happened ?
kakobrekla: i was in the middle of bbet maintenance when suddenly everything stopped working
kakobrekla: could not figure out for the hell of it wtf
BingoBoingo: <cazalla> would you suggest latest wordpress ver or reverting to an older one? i have not used it much since 2.x << Maybe MP can lend WordPress insights. I just kind of start with current and kill obnoxious defaults. For a news site though you probably want a new enough version to have decent multiuser handling.
kakobrekla: sweating blood on keyboard
kakobrekla: to find out i got locked out by ddos protection.
kakobrekla: and in reality it works.
mircea_popescu: better than the other way around eh.
cazalla: how about using one of these new tlds trollbox.report
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Could work
cazalla: i can't think of any notable website starting with tr
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BingoBoingo: Whatever the initial name is...there's sites in the #b-a interwebz hood that can get your google juice organically primed and buzzworded
BingoBoingo: cazalla: As I understand web publishing though... One of the most important parts is having content before going on srs promotion binges
BingoBoingo: If the news site starts tomorrow... I can be a srs contender for newbs around X-mas
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mircea_popescu: cazalla ^ btw.
BingoBoingo: !up peterL_ good boy
PeterL_: hi
BingoBoingo: !up devthedev
BingoBoingo: O hai PeterL
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: people live everywhere people live << for the sake of argument, let's agree they're 'people.' but is that 'living' ?
mircea_popescu: now how would i know
assbot: Scrabble copyright dispute: Hasbro says it owns the Scrabble dictionary. Players beg to differ.
BingoBoingo: It's like if Nimzovich said Imma publish 'My System' but nun-yall can play it.
mircea_popescu: it's like this dumb kid in the courtyard figured somebody gives a shit if he loses an eye.
asciilifeform: lol, hasbro!
asciilifeform: everybody knows the story with that firm ?
BingoBoingo: Which story?
devthedev: Good evening
asciilifeform: they bought up virtually the entire u.s. computer game industry - and then imploded.
asciilifeform: most of the purchases were taxidermically hollowed out (assuming they even had meat) and used as bare named
asciilifeform: e.g. 'atari'
asciilifeform: (my brother at one time worked in a tiny game firm, their product was released with 'atari' on the box by the publisher - at the time, hasbro corp.)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yup, quite. bought all the dead birds
asciilifeform: and attached strings, put on muppet show.
mircea_popescu: myeah. as if you know ?
mircea_popescu: possibly dumbest company in history of ip debacles, way up there with the riaa/mpaa crowd
asciilifeform: evidently something remains of it!
asciilifeform was a little surprised
mircea_popescu: about the same as remains of the "comics code"
mircea_popescu: an office in a basemenent somewhere
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Bankruptcy is a powerful tool as Mr. Trump can attest.
mircea_popescu: unless it was finally closed
asciilifeform: basement, office, bag of money the size of a Waring laboratory blender. recipe for eternal life.
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BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: So... We're prolly all stuck now. Ebola diagnosed in the US. Outgoing border controls can't be far away.
devthedev: BingoBoingo: I still have that canoe if you want to borrow it.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: marburg was in usa, etc.
asciilifeform: !s the holiday
BingoBoingo: devthedev: Well I haven't found library work so...Maybe I'll work X-mas at the mall and get back to you in January.
asciilifeform: if time for 'the holiday' - they don't need excuse.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The US has its own disease demons like Hanta.
BingoBoingo: It would take some disease with a hashtag.
mircea_popescu: jee whiz, i had no idea ebola had tracks.
mircea_popescu: what strange tank is this!
devthedev: The talks of a properly run Bitcoin news site is interesting.
devthedev: What would be needed to make it a reality?
mircea_popescu: devthedev didn't you work for something like that at some point ?
asciilifeform: 'there wasn't ebola when bush was president, thanks obama'
asciilifeform: (random turd from net)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform blame obamacare ? lol.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: you'll appreciate today's puzzle box: http://imgur.com/a/ZcyQH
assbot: Puzzle Box - Imgur
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: He's a Florida kid. Was on TradeFartress's CoinChat and did his own thing afterwards.
asciilifeform: (unrelated)
devthedev: Yes, I worked with Plaxant.com a few months back when they ran a Bitcoin news venue.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Is that a helium release valve?
asciilifeform: any gas
decimation: re: bankruptcy << usg is bankrupt (as discussed yesterday). the natural law of bankruptcy demands that the bankrupt lose control of their assets to the creditors
BingoBoingo: <devthedev> Yes, I worked with Plaxant.com a few months back when they ran a Bitcoin news venue. << Wrote the only worthwhile stories on a since failed venue. Operator never showed and stayed here in spite on invites.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform> any gas << Ah
mircea_popescu: devthedev well, talk to cazalla basically.
devthedev: Will do
decimation: re: floating-point << http://randomascii.wordpress.com/2013/07/16/floating-point-determinism/ "Is IEEE floating-point math deterministic? Will you always get the same results from the same inputs? The answer is an unequivocal “yes”. Unfortunately the answer is also an unequivocal “no”. I’m afraid you will need to clarify your question."
assbot: Floating-Point Determinism | Random ASCII
BingoBoingo: devthedev: He might be cleaning rabbits atm.
mircea_popescu: decimation lmao good one
BingoBoingo: !up devthedev
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot devthedev
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user devthedev: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=devthedev | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=devthedev | Rated since: Tue Jul 15 12:31:42 2014
mircea_popescu: you know you can self up.
devthedev: I don't have access to my OTC keys at the moment to auth.
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asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: hint - puzzle box is in my kitchen.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Brewing something or preparing under the sea anchor safe
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: negative.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Century hard drive?
BingoBoingo: Dead Nigger Storage?
asciilifeform doesn't know what the box for that looks like, but imagines slightly larger
BingoBoingo: ;;google pulp fiction dead nigger storage
gribble: Pulp Fiction: "Dead Nigger Storage" - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knAqM2Gsfi4>; Dead Nigger Storage - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihH_-O7ev2o>; Pulp Fiction (1994) - Quotes - IMDb: <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0110912/quotes>
asciilifeform: if this one were a coffin, it'd hold a very obese 5 y.o.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Noiseless computer?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: give up ?
BingoBoingo: I concede
asciilifeform: it's empty, of course.
asciilifeform: cheapest way to get airtight crate, by a factor of 10, is usg surplus.
asciilifeform: and this is considerably cheaper than getting a hold of a climate-controlled space where lathe, mill, won't rust in winter.
assbot: WebFLIS - Public Search
decimation: "SHIPPING AND STORAGE CONTAINER,POWER SUPPLY"
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform> and this is considerably cheaper than getting a hold of a climate-controlled space where lathe, mill, won't rust in winter. << Wait how much does a climate controlled storage locker cost on your left coast?
asciilifeform: decimation: yes.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: locker with mains socket that you can sit in?
decimation: I yearn for the days when usg would actually create a spec for an object and have it manufactured
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: and loudly machine things ?
asciilifeform: decimation: nukes
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: they're called 'apartments' and cost $maxint
decimation: those rare items that fall into that category are purchased at unobtainium toilet prices
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Lacks own mains socket, but climate controlled costs ~50/month here. Also lacks plumbing.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: then not really applicable
BingoBoingo: I guess
decimation: asciilifeform: it looks like a poor man's pelican case
decimation: except better constructed with the metal lip & latches
asciilifeform: decimation: considerably nicer than 'pelican' - the lips are aluminum, and latches are valve-like cranks that twist tight
asciilifeform: (steel)
asciilifeform: fiddybucks.
asciilifeform: 'dr. evil' appearance - thrown in for free.
decimation: wow. I thought the problem with buying usg surplus is that you have to buy a pallet
decimation: did you buy from junk dealer?
asciilifeform: i demand that my dismembered corpse, when time comes, be stowed in a crate no worse than this one!
asciilifeform: decimation: yes
decimation: 'costco', one of the better us 'retailers' got its start selling caskets
decimation: http://dailycaller.com/2014/09/30/top-va-official-conspired-with-her-married-boyfriend-to-thwart-investigations/ << "A 2008 performance review, according to the investigation, stated that “her accomplishments were undermined by her poor judgment and lack of accountability. … Ms. Taylor allowed a personal friend to be hired in her department as a contractor [Mr. Dobrzykowski]; ... This, of course, is all good enough for
assbot: Top VA Exec Conspired With Married Boyfriend To Thwart Investigations | The Daily Caller
decimation: government work, since two years later she found herself in a top position at the VHA."
decimation: Not the kind of government bureaucrat that could design or even employ someone to design a quality case
assbot: Clinton Aide Watches Stall As Reporter Pees | The Daily Caller
decimation: yeah 'daily caller' is an obviously americanized version of 'daily mail', and highly amusing
devthedev: I'm not sure what I'd do if someone followed me into the stall, probably wouldn't be too pretty though.
BingoBoingo: devthedev: My answer prolly depends on if they look pretty
devthedev: The comments are classic.
mircea_popescu: !up AdrianoOliveira
BingoBoingo: devthedev: For the record you are roughly how old and how advanced in 'Murica school.
devthedev: I'm 15 and a Junior currently taking mostly AP classes.
cazalla: <+devthedev> What would be needed to make it a reality? <<< like anything, consistency
decimation: !up devthedev
devthedev: Of course
decimation: asciilifeform: reading about floating point implementations on x86 is suicidally depressing for an x86 programmer
asciilifeform: decimation: wait till you realize there's 2 of them.
asciilifeform: uncoupled.
cazalla: although i guess jborkl is consistent, i feels bad for him
decimation: yeah, sse and x87
asciilifeform: because gr0wth and pr0gr355, or something.
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Consistent, but alone insufficient. Pretty much the curse of anyone who tries this thing solo and without structure.
BingoBoingo: cazalla: I am skimming the #b-a periphery though for the hungry and not malinformed. So far I've found 1 candidate. I might find another.
BingoBoingo: devthedev: Does peapodamus still go online?
devthedev: I haven't spoken to him for about 2 weeks.
asciilifeform: x86 - what nobody wants, but everybody gets. like tax, death, arse waltzes.
BingoBoingo: Sooner than last year devthedev
BingoBoingo: So I guess he fails the consistency criteria.
decimation: plus intel keeps coming up with 'new' sse/cisc instructions that are """correct""": http://randomascii.wordpress.com/2014/01/27/theres-only-four-billion-floatsso-test-them-all/ << "A few months ago I saw a blog post touting fancy new SSE3 functions for implementing vector floor, ceil, and round functions. There was the inevitable proud proclaiming of impressive performance and correctness. However the ceil function gave the wrong
assbot: There are Only Four Billion Floats–So Test Them All! | Random ASCII
decimation: answer for many numbers it was supposed to handle, including odd-ball numbers like ‘one’."
BingoBoingo: devthedev: What about the really obnoxious one, Whiskers? WHo I'm pretty sure is in his 40's/
asciilifeform: gave the wrong answer << dollars to doughnuts, whichever answer comes out of 'matlab.'
asciilifeform: on normal x86 box.
devthedev: I'm not too fond of him BingoBoingo
devthedev: I haven't spoken to him since last year
decimation: my understanding is that matlab on x86 just uses doubles
asciilifeform: and these use...
BingoBoingo: devthedev: Not many are, but after this thing gets feet he might be a solid audition.
asciilifeform: tell-tale heart: if 'double' is 80 bits, you're using x86 fp
decimation: asciilifeform: surely you aren't suggesting that intel allowed some swarthy intern design their cisc instructions with some dumbass matlab script?
asciilifeform: decimation: not instructions. the poster.
BingoBoingo: decimation: This is Intel, once the US legalizes weed at the Federal level their foundries are being converted to farms.
asciilifeform: seriously, work in a u.s. anything & see.
decimation: yeah, I know. everyone wants to implement on matlab, and they do not usually think about issues like numerical precision
decimation: the blog poster is a googleer
asciilifeform: phun phact. traditionally, the folks who write cpu manuals (how many people here have seen them alive? dead tree manuals) don't have access to original design specs.
asciilifeform: they're interns
asciilifeform: get napkin notes
asciilifeform: decimation: you don't get it. likely the folks who wrote the presentation, gave results of supposed tests, etc. never even saw the chip.
decimation: ah I see. yeah that's probably true
decimation: someone gave them a 'model' maybe
asciilifeform: so there is a mostly unwritten 'talmud' of differences between intel's manuals and the reality.
asciilifeform: (no you can't buy it from intel)
asciilifeform: amd - similar story
decimation: this is why intel can make money both ways - selling chips and selling compilers/libraries that actually use them
asciilifeform: when people say x86 is a turd - this is more than an aesthetic opinion
devthedev: Have a great day everyone, I'm going to get some sleep.
asciilifeform: it is a statement of fact. in that, encountering an animal turd in the forest, you know only approximately what is its composition.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform> amd - similar story << Fucked themselves for years by compiling their compilers with Intels
decimation: intel's ipp and compiler would 'detect' amd and disable its sse routines
decimation: I'm not sure if it still does
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: amd does not sell compilers.
asciilifeform: (unless this is a deep secret i was never privy to)
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: To my knowledge they've never sold either
decimation: AMD mainly sells usg anti-monopoly prosecution protection
BingoBoingo: decimation: They also sell the best laptop chips around.
decimation: I'm pretty partial to the haswell chip in my mbp
BingoBoingo: I actually don't actively dislike the E-350 in my X120e
BingoBoingo: I hate the fucking wireless card.
BingoBoingo: But I don't actively dislike the CPU/GPU combo
BingoBoingo remembers fuckers Spz. AMD APU's would be the mining be all and end all and they don't even register seriously for the weird alt hash functions
decimation: I mined with AMD/ATI gpu back in the day, I grew to hate AMD's driver releases that would ruin everything
BingoBoingo: I really, truly should have put the alcohol hobby on hold through grad school, but... The lack of time machines is a necessary bitch.
BingoBoingo: !up AdrianoOliveira
assbot: Today is September 30, 2014, and there is still not much BIP32 support. Muh /hashtag/Bitcoin?src=hash 2.0.
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BingoBoingo: !up Trix
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11700 @ 0.00074661 = 8.7353 BTC [+]
TheNewDeal: credit card locked out after 1 failed attempt to enter a zip code. Thank security
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