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decimation: asciilifeform: but appelbaum has made himself interesting very publicly - your corner bobby could care less about someone like him
BingoBoingo: decimation: Appelbaum wasn't in the UK though, but in the proto-USA
BingoBoingo: Of course the huy who zipped himself in had consented earlier in life to be a part of that apparatus and "quit"
asciilifeform: corner bobby doesn't zip bags, no.
asciilifeform: but a u.s. subject can die of lightning and car wreck a dozen times before getting 'accidentally policed' to death.
asciilifeform: the nice thing about being a hardened paranoiac is that you are effectively immune to accidental death...
asciilifeform: at least, in head.
mircea_popescu: doesn't work that way.
asciilifeform: boulder falls on my head, i know what last thought i'll think!
mircea_popescu: worrywarts aren't immune to negative events, nor hypochondriacs to disease, nor paranoids to accidents.
decimation: many die every year in Colorado climbing mountains - from lightning
mircea_popescu: they just have stiffer, less efficacious responses
decimation: looks like the promised geomagnetic storm was mostly a dud: http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25500 @ 0.00075639 = 19.2879 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: Patent office whistleblower: ‘Managers have no idea when their employees are working’ - The Washington Post
asciilifeform: the patent office thing is a crock of shit.
asciilifeform: they have production quotas.
asciilifeform: (rather harsh ones, which is one reason for the famously poor quality of the judgements)
asciilifeform: 'The examiner alerted a supervisor about the fraud, but “he says he cannot do anything as long as she meets her production,” the whistleblower wrote.' << how this is a problem ?
asciilifeform: paranoids to accidents << not actually immune. just die happy.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell ben_vulpes your blog has been pwned? turned to spam for 'feedyes.com'.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
decimation: asciilifeform: "crock of shit" << are you saying that the 'whistleblowers' are lying?
asciilifeform: 'lying' is too charitable a word.
asciilifeform: implies (apologies to orwell) some actual relationship (if inverted) with fact.
decimation: the 'blog' (is a blog post from wapo like a 'story lite'?) makes it seem like no one at the patent office has a relationship with reality
asciilifeform: let's assume that each and every allegation in the piece - is true.
asciilifeform: patent office specifically proclaims that employees are retained & promoted based on piecework (their term, 'production')
decimation: right, but they could walk in, hit 'approve' on all thier 'production', and go home for the day?
asciilifeform: could, yes. and then overruled on appeal. (very embarrassing, if not career-ending event, for patent judge)
asciilifeform: likewise, a junior (less than x years, forget what x) official cannot pronounce judgement, he only forwards a recommendation 'approve/deny' to senior gruppenfuhrer.
asciilifeform knows more than he wants about the u.s. patent office
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15672 @ 0.00075505 = 11.8331 BTC [-]
decimation: asciilifeform: have you experimented with the intel 'rdrand' instruction?
asciilifeform: decimation: nope.
asciilifeform: what kind of experiment do you have in mind?
asciilifeform: intel cpu is not exactly a rarity.
decimation: no I'm going to play with it, just wondered what you had discovered
decimation: I was planning on using it as a noise generator (uniform -> gaussian)
asciilifeform: decimation: don't expect to discover anything useful from the output.
decimation: as long as there are no pathological correlations it will be fine for my purposes (anything that looks strange on a very large fft for instance)
Vexual: a bit of the `ol "in-out" huh?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18250 @ 0.00075263 = 13.7355 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1470 @ 0.00054801 = 0.8056 BTC [-] {9}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ROCK] 1851 @ 0.00060001 = 1.1106 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ROCK] 3017 @ 0.00066021 = 1.9919 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.19817665 = 1.7836 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.20735549 = 0.8294 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: TeraExchange Unveils First U.S.-Regulated Bitcoin Swaps Exchange - WSJ
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 70 @ 0.20777999 = 14.5446 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 401500 @ 0.00076056 = 305.3648 BTC [+] {35}
jurov: ^^ wut?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 104600 @ 0.00076153 = 79.656 BTC [+] {4}
FabianB: $vwap s.mpoe
empyex: FabianB: S.MPOE 1 day: average: 0.00076076 high: 0.00076422 low: 0.00075236 volume: 708190 btc: 538.76064545 7 day: average: 0.00072961 high: 0.00080211 low: 0.00059659 volume: 3849676 btc: 2808.78002898 30 day: average: 0.0007341 high: 0.00086605 low: 0.00059659 volume: 16651300 btc: 12223.78442068
assbot: Rules | Underhanded Crypto Contest
punkman: !up mats_cd03
RagnarDanneskjol: underhand contest - very cool
assbot: Smarter - wifikettle
punkman: it has features and an app and even a customer support hotline
assbot: I am a 14-year-old Yazidi girl given as a gift to an ISIS commander. Heres how I escaped. - The Washington Post
punkman: just broke a lock and walked out with a niqab
punkman: !up mats_cd03
mats_cd03: decimation: https://www.alchemistowl.org/pocorgtfo/pocorgtfo03.pdf re: hooking rdrand to backdoor /dev/urandom on 3.12.8
punkman: mats_cd03: did you lose your key again?
mats_cd03: PoC || GTFO is an incredible zine if you're not already reading it
mats_cd03: maybe
mats_cd03: !search pocorgtfo
punkman: surprise!
mats_cd03: also discovered dis enhanced man page web thinger (im a nix scrub): explainshell.com
punkman: I was looking at corkami's stuff the other day https://code.google.com/p/corkami/
assbot: corkami - Reverse engineering & visual documentations - Google Project Hosting
mats_cd03: ya corkami is the bees knees
mats_cd03: fun fact: a piece of lenovo windows crapware downloads an xml file over http then downloads and executes windows platform-specific binary.
punkman: which one?
mats_cd03: thinkvantage system update
punkman: oh I've never installed that
mats_cd03: and lenovo support center i think
mats_cd03: er solution center
assbot: Reverse Engineering a NAND Flash Device Management Algorithm | Joshua Wise's domain
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 128150 @ 0.00075374 = 96.5918 BTC [-] {7}
mircea_popescu: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 320493 | Current Difficulty: 2.7428630902257874E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 320543 | Next Difficulty In: 50 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 7 hours, 3 minutes, and 31 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 29793225340.2 | Estimated Percent Change: 8.6209
mircea_popescu: heh it picked up huh
mircea_popescu: $proxies
empyex: mircea_popescu: Proxies: mpex.ws mpex.bz mpex.co mpex.biz mpex.coinbr.com Current MPEx GPG-Key-ID: 02DD2D91
mircea_popescu: so, mpex.ws is being ddosed, the rest are ok. thank you for flying or what was it.
empyex: mircea_popescu: MPEx-Status: mpex.ws (error), mpex.bz (1490 milliseconds), mpex.co (790 milliseconds), mpex.biz (800 milliseconds), mpex.coinbr.com (10844 milliseconds)
mircea_popescu: bitbet is also under ddos. kako is working on it.
empyex: mircea_popescu: Health-Indicators: Homepage: ✗ MK Depth JSON: ✗ VWAP JSON: ✗
mircea_popescu: FabianB lemme guess, the health indicators don't roll over ?
FabianB: hm. guess i need to improve the fallback
mircea_popescu: how much does ddos cost anymore anyway ? per gb per minute or something ?
mircea_popescu: https://btc.waroflife.com/ http://minigame.bz/ etc still online also, so i guess maybe it's just coincidence.
assbot: War of Life - Cellular automata to the death!
mircea_popescu: tho one hell of a coincidence, it practically started the same minute.
mircea_popescu: aaactually... once the deeds bot comes online, it can work as a gribble substitute.
gribble: if you can control the irc server sure, you can mitm all responses and modify them en route, etc.
gribble: also, someone voice nanotube :)
mircea_popescu: !up nanotube
nanotube: ah assbot just came back heh
mircea_popescu: nanotube would you consider melding the bitcoin-assets deeds registrar into wot ?
nanotube: what's this bitcoin assets deeds registrar?
mircea_popescu: nanotube it's a bot being written that will take gpog signed stuff, serialize it, hash it, insert the hash in the blockchain
mircea_popescu: and publish on a website as well.
mircea_popescu: basically this can be used to issue signed ratings.
mircea_popescu: so if you're willing to work with it, we can have a special ratings protocol. they're a lot more solid than gribble's.
nanotube: how much extra spam will this cause in the blockchain?
mircea_popescu: 64 bytes per hour at most.
nanotube: ah so things get aggregated, cool
mircea_popescu: the advantage being that since one needs the whole bundle to verify the blockchain hash, everyone in the bundle has a vested interest to preserve the whole bundle
RagnarDanneskjol: nano - I contacted you about helping build it a coupl months back. i think it Might be done this weekend
mircea_popescu: anyway, it's not even spam, it's one extra tx every six blocks on average at the most.
nanotube: sounds interesting
mircea_popescu: and yes im aware english doesn't like "on average at most" but it's actually correct logically. har har.
nanotube: hehe
mircea_popescu: anyway ping you for tests once this thing is delivered ?
nanotube: sure!
mircea_popescu: here's how idiots change the world : they do stupid shit which makes smart people get off their arse.
mircea_popescu: ty nsa. you make the world better for democracy.
assbot: b-a deeds registrar - Pastebin.com
nanotube: RagnarDanneskjol: yea i remember :)
asciilifeform: nanotube - original author of this entire orchestra ?
mircea_popescu: he implemented gribble and the wot
asciilifeform takes off hat.
mircea_popescu: which implementation is a large portion of why im here in the first place. if it hadn;'t existed it's unlikely vragnaroda'd have had what to seduce me with
nanotube: RagnarDanneskjol: who gets to send the 0.0001 btc, such that they don't mind someone else getting it (whoever fastest at getting out the spend tx?)
nanotube: asciilifeform: :)
RagnarDanneskjol: yup i suppose
mircea_popescu: nanotube autofaucet.
mircea_popescu: by design.
RagnarDanneskjol: oh that too
RagnarDanneskjol: its mp's spec, not mine. I dum
mircea_popescu: oh, you were asking who. i am seeding it, after which if we run it by donation we run it by donation, or else users will have to pay.
mircea_popescu: justusranvier favours the later approach :)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: the patent office thing is a crock of shit. << you know i wonder why the press is moving against the uspto.
mircea_popescu: i mean it's quite clearly by the book libtard orchestrated nonsense. cui bono ?!
mircea_popescu: don't tell me the plan is to throw out ip or something.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: could, yes. and then overruled on appeal. (very embarrassing, if not career-ending event, for patent judge) << this works if the event is rare. if the event is common, it stops working. consider :
mircea_popescu: "woman could just go outdoors naked ?" "could, yes, but gangrape" sure. except if they all do, because no rapists, gang or otherwise, can keep up with women if it comes to the biology of it, which is how it's designed. and so...
mircea_popescu: mores change.
nanotube: mircea_popescu: ah i see. well, at .0001 btc per tx, 1btc will last for a while. you could also just not reveal the data packet until you take the btc back out.
nanotube: then, no expense
mircea_popescu: let it be an expense.
mircea_popescu: nature doesn't stink and factories all do because nature allows things to be expenses and industry does not.
nanotube: oh nature stinks plenty. ever been around a corpse? :)
mircea_popescu: who knows what comes out of the ecosystem built around this undersea volcano of satoshis
mircea_popescu: jesus you're all too smart to argue with, what is this! counterexamples and shit :D
mircea_popescu: anyway, s/stink/stink(metaphorical)/ and i'm out.
nanotube: nature does take care of its own stinks though. :)
mircea_popescu: not deliberately :D
nanotube: heh sure because 'nature' doesn't have volition to do anything 'deliberately' :)
mircea_popescu: !up couragewolf
asciilifeform still favours his demented 'telegraph' algo.
asciilifeform: serverless
mircea_popescu: listen, do you agree making things "so easy to use even an idiot could use them" is bad policy ?
asciilifeform: easy fix. don't publish the client.
asciilifeform: only algo.
asciilifeform: (the latter - already published...)
mircea_popescu: not the point here tho.
asciilifeform: who wants - writes own, a dozen lines of $lang, and connects.
mircea_popescu: in those terms, your telegraph already exists.
asciilifeform: sure does.
mircea_popescu: well so then of course it can't be made.
mircea_popescu: by this measure, bitcoin also already existed, in 2004.
mircea_popescu: so there's something wrong with this easy fix
asciilifeform might speak into telegraph, and let it be known, see who answers - but is otherwise occupied at present.
mircea_popescu: really, the problem is its context, it's too metaphysical. you're not supposed to solve practical problems that way.,
mircea_popescu: now, getting back : serverless is not an advantage, it's a disadvantage.
mircea_popescu: people should be involved, and their involvement required, or otherwise shit happens.
asciilifeform: there is exactly one human necessary in the loop (as proposed)
asciilifeform: the fellow with the privkey to throw back the coins to originators
asciilifeform: anyone who 'comes with a sword' - doesn't get his back. that simple.
jurov: "serverless" means "everyone has to be a server"
asciilifeform: everyone who is running a node, yes.
asciilifeform: (ordinary btc node)
mircea_popescu: There once was a pore honest sailor, a heavy drinker, a hell of a cuss, a rowster, a boozer, and the drink finally sent him to hospital, and they operated, and there was a poor whore in the woman’s ward had a kid, while they were fixing the sailor, and they brought him the kid when he came to, and said : ‘Here! this is what we took out of you.’
mircea_popescu: it occurs to me ezra pound would make fine reading for b-a. he hated the banks.
mircea_popescu: course he hated the banks cause he hated the jews, but hey.
jurov: btw, how would the blockchain telegraph deal with XX btc transactions/second limit? #b-a woud break it often
mircea_popescu: it's supposed not to work
asciilifeform: jurov: 'doctor, it hurts when i do that.' 'don't do that.'
asciilifeform: think btctelegraph is slow? wait till we're morsing by hand over spark gap in the ruins.
asciilifeform: hand-cranking rsa, brass gears...
mircea_popescu: what's this, de loyola's calvinism ?
jurov: let's agree on clacktower protocol in advance then
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.41107631 BTC to 15`393 shares, 9167 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 37 @ 0.19 = 7.03 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] [PAID] 4.54929696 BTC to 162`012 shares, 2808 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 4.00195824 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 348 satoshi per share
asciilifeform: http://i.imgur.com/z44bhed.png << people asked about this, a few times, at various times. and herr corkami has good schoolbook picture of it.
mircea_popescu: excellent pic yes
assbot: Is Safello.com legit or a scam? DeadTerra, aka Ludvig berg : Bitcoin
ben_vulpes: buenos dias cryptoleros
thestringpuller: For the start, we need to introduce the concept of a FrozenCoin. FrozenCoin is simply a bitcoin which cannot be spent before a certain moment in future, i.e. a time-locked, frozen bitcoin.
thestringpuller: E.g. one could time-lock 1 bitcoin for 1 year to create a FrozenCoin. This can be done using nLockTime property of a Bitcoin transaction, but we would need an oracle (e.g. a trusted third party) to prove that a coin can't be spent before the specified time.
thestringpuller: No one can seem to figure out how to use nLockTime without a third party to prevent double spend.
asciilifeform: if you like timelocks, just lose N bits of private key.
asciilifeform: pick an N that sends you grinding, on what hardware you can obtain, for Y year.
asciilifeform: solved...
mircea_popescu: <thestringpuller> No one can seem to figure out how to use nLockTime without a third party to prevent double spend. << for a fundamental reason.
mircea_popescu: if the protocol had been written, it'd have been obvious to anyone sane why this thing can not be done. as it wasn't, people can persevere into trying to push mud uphill, because there's nobody to "prove to them" that's what it is, and they refuse to believe authorities that know better than them can even in principle exist.
jurov: they want to be the one "i did not know i cannot be done, i boldly went and did it"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.185 = 0.555 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: !up chalbersma_
RagnarDanneskjol: i understand chalbersma already set up atc p2pool on his home machine and did some test mining. I volunteered some server space to host ongoing. will let you gents figure out the rest
chalbersma: Indeed this is so.
mircea_popescu: chalbersma didja mine a block on it ?
mircea_popescu: okay, what do you need ?
chalbersma: Well now's the awkward budget period where we discuss how to get paid. :)
mircea_popescu: no reason for it to be awkward.
RagnarDanneskjol: i tried to get him to take one for the team so he can hang with the cool kids - but the man's GREEDY
chalbersma: If the budget allows I was thinking that allowing me to place an add on the web interface page + ~0.2 BTC initial compensation for setup on Ragnar's hardware seems reasonable. It gives me an incentive to continue maintenance because of the add while giving me enough up front to satisfy the fiancee that the hours I've already spent working on it were worth it.
mircea_popescu: lol let the guy get paid what.
mircea_popescu: chalbersma ad to what ?
chalbersma: Whatever anon ads plays.
mircea_popescu: me looks at ben_vulpes
mircea_popescu: chalbersma what's this going to be running on ?
chalbersma: I've got it setup currently on a home connection. You can check it out but I'd like to give the ip over pm to keep some semblance of keeping my IP private.
mircea_popescu: if your idea of private is cpe-72-135-98-192.kc.res.rr.com...
RagnarDanneskjol: digi ocean
RagnarDanneskjol: is what I got
chalbersma: Ahh not so private :)
chalbersma: Well cat's out of the bag.
assbot: P2Pool
mircea_popescu: chalbersma if you wish ask in #freenode for a cloak. otherwise, anyone in any chan or pm sees your ip
mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol what's that cost ?
RagnarDanneskjol: 1gb RAM is 10-15/month. I'll cover it
RagnarDanneskjol: might get 3 GB
mircea_popescu: you want an add too ? :))
RagnarDanneskjol: no, I am fine thank
mircea_popescu: chalbersma okay, you can have the .2, but i'd rather not ad the thing up, so.
chalbersma: Okay what did you have in mind for ongoing maintenance costs?
chalbersma: In theory we could take a "cross that bridge when we come to it." position.
RagnarDanneskjol: I'll give you some free career coaching too, brush up your resume and whatnot
mircea_popescu: chalbersma so i was saying, you can have the .2 but not the ads. dun imagine you lose all that much by it anyway
chalbersma: True ads don't exactly pay a lot of money.
mircea_popescu: so, your address ?
chalbersma: Let me generate one for this transaction.
chalbersma: 1MZUhKVwnfGBjKm7gHSqv6WpNNBWfd8Rdy
chalbersma: I'll start working with Ragnar to get it setup.
gribble: Nick 'mircea_popescu', with hostmask 'mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu', is identified as user 'mircea_popescu', with GPG key id 8A736F0E2FB7B452, key fingerprint 6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452, and bitcoin address None
mircea_popescu: ;;ident chalbersma
gribble: Nick 'chalbersma', with hostmask 'chalbersma!~chalbersm@cpe-72-135-98-192.kc.res.rr.com', is identified as user 'chalbersma', with GPG key id 9573FF79F1219C3D, key fingerprint 85647E97624587E9B7028E8A9573FF79F1219C3D, and bitcoin address 1Ec2L4nN7yGmX69V3Hkw3qfZpaxrMZjZqT
mircea_popescu: ;;rated chalbersma
gribble: You rated user chalbersma on Wed Sep 10 23:17:00 2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: new blood..
mircea_popescu: ;;rated chalbersma 2 ATC p2pool implementation.
gribble: (rated <nick>) -- Get the details about the rating you gave to <nick>, if any.
mircea_popescu: ;;rate chalbersma 2 ATC p2pool implementation.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user chalbersma has changed from 1 to 2.
chalbersma: ;;rate mircea_popescu 2 "Client for ATC p2pool Implementation"
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 2 for user mircea_popescu has been recorded.
mircea_popescu: you don't need the quotes i dont think
chalbersma: ;;rate RagnarDanneskjol 2 Client Contact and Recruiter for ATC P2pool Implementation
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user RagnarDanneskjol has changed from 1 to 2.
chalbersma: Future refference.
chalbersma: ;;rate mircea_popescu 2 Client for ATC p2pool Implementation
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user mircea_popescu has changed from 2 to 2.
RagnarDanneskjol: droplet is set and ready to roll. chalbersma - are you gonna work on this today?
chalbersma: That's the plan I do need to go run some errands though so I won't be able to start until later today.
chalbersma: Also whose ATC address is going to be the base address for this pool?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 38812 @ 0.00005 = 1.9406 BTC [-] {2}
RagnarDanneskjol: the one you set up i assume
chalbersma: Generally it's a good idea to use an address from a wallet not on the same server as the pool. That will ensure that if the server is compromised there's less that can be stolen.
RagnarDanneskjol: well wouldnt you just generate it on another machine?
mircea_popescu: chalbersma bingoboingo's.
mircea_popescu: and i'll have x-rob point his miner to it once you're all set up too
chalbersma: Okay I'll grab his address when we get to that stage.
chalbersma: Pleasure doing buisness guys. I'll be on in a few hours.
mircea_popescu: !up skinnkavaj
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RagnarDanneskjol: i would check with him to be sure address is up to date
BingoBoingo awakes to ...a pool?
RagnarDanneskjol: maybe. is the address accurate on drinking blog for pool mining BingoBoingo ?
RagnarDanneskjol: atc address i mean
BingoBoingo: ;;rate RagnarDanneskjol 1 recruiter
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user RagnarDanneskjol has been recorded.
BingoBoingo: ;;rate chalbersma 1 pool op
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user chalbersma has been recorded.
mircea_popescu: skinnkavaj who the fuck is jlxxx anyway
skinnkavaj: mircea_popescu: Some guy running many pump n dumps in the altcoin scene
mircea_popescu: "Let us first talk about the elephant in the room. Who am I? And why the newbie account? Answer – There are many egos at work in BCT. These egos make fact based discussion difficult. "
skinnkavaj: mircea_popescu: Hard to take anyones word seriously, I can only judge by the flock of bitcoin developers in #monero-dev, I am not trusting 1 guy named jl777 that he will create a "Supernetwork" while he also have created 50 other altcoins. I am instead trusting the names assoicated with Monero. Familiar names to me. Also unless BTC is forked it will be the transparent coin and this is
skinnkavaj: good, people expect transparency for business, but I also see a future in the altcoin market with one altcoin that offers something bitcoin cannot today, anonymity.
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mircea_popescu: skinnkavaj i thought fluffypony was also involved.
mircea_popescu: !up xean64
fluffypony: wait what did I miss
fluffypony: oh jesus don't these people have something better to do
mircea_popescu: nobody has anything better to do, that's how we're all here :D
fluffypony: here is fine
fluffypony: bitcointalk is poison
mircea_popescu: anyway, some altcoin drama, dunno.
mircea_popescu: after eth got away with it, everyone's claiming 10k bitcoins
fluffypony: "XXXXXXXcoin is a scam!"
mircea_popescu: it's the new 2weeks
fluffypony: "nowayz, dev is amazing and shits solid platinum"
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
fluffypony: "I heard dev is actually Bin Laden reincarnated"
fluffypony: "no wayz lets argue"
fluffypony: summary of the Bitcointalk altcoin section
mircea_popescu: hey, not the kids fault that their parents dump them on the internet for an education
fluffypony: hah hah
fluffypony: then they become "developers" from kahn academy
fluffypony: you know what I find that's REALLY interesting
fluffypony: there are a great deal of "developers" in the altcoin section that have *failed* at holding a job IRL
fluffypony: they can't see things through to a finish, so they fail at life
fluffypony: but they can code...a little
fluffypony: so they become altcoin "developers"
mircea_popescu: the internets will have them all. the dumb, the poor, the hungry. it's america.
fluffypony: and push out a little code
fluffypony: and the forum *worships* them
mircea_popescu: looky : pre webz, every ghetto block corner had its "gang" with "leaders" which "the girls" (all 0.7 of them) "worshipped". now we get to hear about it is all
fluffypony: yeah true
fluffypony: it's irritating and pathetic, but welcome to 2014
fluffypony: where errrrrone has iPads
ben_vulpes: i have better things to do
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 478.91, Best ask: 479.73, Bid-ask spread: 0.82000, Last trade: 479.74, 24 hour volume: 5929.20561664, 24 hour low: 467.43, 24 hour high: 480.1, 24 hour vwap: 475.750347777
kakobrekla: ;;isup bitbet.us
gribble: bitbet.us is up
kakobrekla: for now.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla what'd ou do to it ?
kakobrekla: blocking at the lowest level that _i_ can
kakobrekla: dc basically said we dun care.
mircea_popescu: !up ceger
ceger: thx?
mircea_popescu: who are you and what brings you here ?
ceger: good questions
ceger: nobody and every other chan is dead lol
justusranvier: Philedelphia: The city of brotherly love. (note: brotherly love does not include accessible electrical outlets in the airport)
mircea_popescu: ceger works.
mircea_popescu: justusranvier i always thought they meant that in the sense of butt piracy
justusranvier: mircea_popescu: That does fit better with the theme of giving you free wifi but no power
mircea_popescu: ;;google i can take about an hour on the tower of power as long as i gets myself sum golden shower
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assbot: List of excuses for ‘The Pause’ in global warming | Watts Up With That?
mircea_popescu: anyway, since we're on this, let the permanent record reflect that i've bought up all the prime skyn avaialble at buenos aires' largest sex shop (called the buttman).
mircea_popescu: and it only cost like twenny bux, too.
mircea_popescu: chetty "the HockeySchtick" lol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1570 @ 0.000598 = 0.9389 BTC [-]
chetty: skyn?
mircea_popescu: 51) If our models could time-travel back in time, “we could have forecast ‘the pause’ – if we had the tools of the future back then” [NCAR press release]
mircea_popescu: ahahahaha epic. "if only we knew what we need to lie about in the future, we could have made pesudomath that did it back when"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4400 @ 0.00059895 = 2.6354 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: dub how's the climate fraud thing looking btw ?
mircea_popescu: fap. not a word, a deed.
mircea_popescu: also, that is NOT what a family is for fucks sake. what is this, PREFIX instead of POSTFIX alternative universe ?
kakobrekla: your family name is mircea or popescu ?
mircea_popescu: nice to meet you mr brekla
mircea_popescu: !up maximian
mircea_popescu: ow shit, only now i get it.
mircea_popescu: omfg kakobrekla you are banned from jokes.
mircea_popescu: shit, bitbet is still online. what sort of scam ddos is this even
kakobrekla: well its not over till its over.
mircea_popescu: what is ever over.
mircea_popescu: even the ipad... they're still making "new models"
kakobrekla: lyfe!
chetty: who has order their apple leash ..err watch?
mircea_popescu: im saving my money for the apple cockring
kakobrekla: thats 3 watches in bridge mode ?
mircea_popescu: o look at that, gizmodo links images off gawker-media. they're not even worth their own directory :D
mircea_popescu: ;;isdown bitbet.us
gribble: Error: "isdown" is not a valid command.
mircea_popescu: ;;isitdown bitbet.us
gribble: bitbet.us is down
kakobrekla: i see
kakobrekla: ;;isitdown bitbet.us
gribble: bitbet.us is up
[]bot: Bet placed: 3 BTC for Yes on "Under 15% difficulty increase before 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1032/ Odds: 97(Y):3(N) by coin, 97(Y):3(N) by weight. Total bet: 13.35161486 BTC. Current weight: 84,859.
mircea_popescu is picturing kakobrekla sitting on a huge pile of coal, pumping the server furnace as needed
chetty: what he ran out of hamsters?
mircea_popescu: steampunk server.
jurov: hamsterpunk
fluffypony: this is just begging to be turned into an altcoin
fluffypony: SteampunkCoin
fluffypony: Proof of Burn (Coal and/or Wood only please)
kakobrekla: down for another minute.
mircea_popescu: actually, socialmedia spamcoin could be an idea.
mircea_popescu: mining constists of creating sm accounts.
mircea_popescu: if nothing else, asic-resistant by design
kakobrekla: and up again.
fluffypony: soooo
fluffypony: has everyone changed their password?
mircea_popescu: meh, too lazy.
jurov: /msg NickServ help
jurov: -NickServ- No help available for .
jurov rolls eyes
assbot: BBC News - How do you stop the flow of lava?
mircea_popescu: lol are they crowdsourcing the answer ?
mircea_popescu: !up ContingencyPlan
ContingencyPlan: thanks for the up - does anyone have a link for getting started with PGP/WoT?
assbot: first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki]
mircea_popescu: $proxies
mircea_popescu: well anyway.
mircea_popescu: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 320563 | Current Difficulty: 2.9829733124040417E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 322559 | Next Difficulty In: 1996 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 0 hours, 39 minutes, and 46 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 45293795105.9 | Estimated Percent Change: 51.8411
mircea_popescu: 51% baby :D
kakobrekla: dis a joke ?
mircea_popescu: early estimate always nutty.
mircea_popescu: apparently bitcoin mining starts 12 months ago. who knew.
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 3.1 / 2.9829733124040417
gribble: 1.03923155702
mircea_popescu: for my curiosity, anyone know rochester ?
mircea_popescu: jurov i still think wetware comes before quantum, so there.
asciilifeform can hardly think of a less suitable wetware application than btc mining
kakobrekla: i suspekt wetware is going to stay emulated for a long long time
asciilifeform: '...a secret goal of the Rockefeller family, one of the chief financiers of the plan, to own an apartment overlooking the Kremlin and Red Square...'
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla you know, after the first steam machines were introduced in the 1800s, people saw that horses and oxen are replaced, but believed the intelligent movement of man will remain emulated for a long long time
mircea_popescu: by 1900 they had sewing machines.
asciilifeform: eh, tech was actually happening then.
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jurov: who knows, C compiler for wetware may be months away
jurov: to ascii's delight
asciilifeform: jurov: first, multiply, e.g, 5 x 7 with 'wetware' and get a reliable answer.
jurov: the google book i linked has bool logic gates
asciilifeform: jurov: ever culture an organism ?
jurov: yes?
asciilifeform: how long did the colony live ?
kakobrekla: ever heard of head jars dude
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know it's a bad habit to state the problem thus.
jurov: they aren't using whole cells
mircea_popescu: it's a subset of the "first, one nail" approach
mircea_popescu: suppose i don't multiply 5 x 7, but i do a fft over a large domain.
mircea_popescu: "close enough"
kakobrekla: asciilifeform correct. only the bubblers are missing.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: good example. but, not only must accept 'close enough', but go and try to get the answer out with reasonable speed.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform do you readily know the volume of "silicone" computation that goes by in the average cell ?
kakobrekla: reasonable speed for '100000point travelling salesman' problem ?
mircea_popescu: it's immense.
mircea_popescu: just folding proteins is a massive task.
asciilifeform: you'd probably want to make use of, e.g, luciferase
asciilifeform: and camera.
mircea_popescu: you're just an opticomputer fanboy arentcha :D
asciilifeform: so, for those who don't know, there are two basic ways of 'folding' a protein (that is, in physical reality it folds, but you want to know its structure)
asciilifeform: one - approximate solution of shrodinger's equation for the system of protein-cum-solution
asciilifeform: two - xray crystallography
asciilifeform: to every n00b's surprise - the cost is roughly similar.
asciilifeform: (2) gives a result more in line with reality, and so tends to be favoured unless there is something exotic about the system (weird ligand, perverse conditions otherwise, whatever)
asciilifeform: now, think about why (2) costs roughly same as (1).
asciilifeform: why even bring this up: the 'answer' - physical structure of properly folded protein - is 'computed' instantly.
asciilifeform: now, getting the answer out in a usable form...
asciilifeform: takes about a year of skilled labour.
mircea_popescu: "instantly". not quite
mircea_popescu: but yes.
asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=25 << me derping about roughly this, in '08.
assbot: Loper OS » How Much Computation Does the Universe Perform?
mircea_popescu: the question is more like, suppose i give you piles of C N H O etc molar equivalent to the contents of a live creature,
mircea_popescu: and a list of what molecules it contains
mircea_popescu: your task being to fold the shit together.
mircea_popescu: this, in an ideal way, suppose you have Ontologizer, which makes be whatever molecular structure you describe.
jurov: that description would be *very* hefty
mircea_popescu: the archetypal "rather than explain your job to you i'd rather just do it"
jurov: question here was the other way, can wetware do turing stuff effectively?
asciilifeform: jurov: turing's apparatus is not even a particularly good abstraction for electric computer. much less 'wet' kind.
kakobrekla: thats why they go the ibm synapse cpu way
kakobrekla: i mean the read off
kakobrekla: which is emulation basically
jurov: "nah it cnat reliably multiply 5*7"
asciilifeform is actually rather fond of analogue computing as a concept, and as it once existed, but has yet to meet a 'meatware' proposal that isn't transparently grantsmanship.
mircea_popescu: jurov perhaps more a "Can shit we need done be phrased such that wetware can do it better than the turing machine"
mircea_popescu: and for all the error-fiends : you can't correctly represent decimal numbers in computers today, it doesn't stop anyone from derping on the pretense computers are ideal machines.
mircea_popescu: error is never going to stop anything.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: actually plenty of folks use 'rational arithmetic' systems that don't touch the ieee/flop cpu circuits
asciilifeform: and actually represent, e.g, 1/3 as a 1, a /, and a 3; sqrt(2) as a root and a two of it, etc
mircea_popescu: i don't need everyone to be an idiot, i just need a few to make my case.
asciilifeform when went to school they still made us remember the breakage cases in various float representations extant
mircea_popescu: me too o.O
jurov: me too
mircea_popescu: /r/matrixglitch
jurov: !up DoctorLTC
mircea_popescu: "i feel like a fart" "offensive ?" "inspired."
thestringpuller: ;;google bitstamp withdrawals suspended
gribble: Bitcoin withdrawal processing suspended - Bitstamp: <https://www.bitstamp.net/article/bitcoin-withdraws-suspended/>; Bitcoin Exchange Bitstamp Halts Customer Withdrawals - Bloomberg: <http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-02-11/bitcoin-exchange-bitstamp-halts-withdrawals.html>; Bitstamp, another Bitcoin exchange, goes down and halts withdrawals: (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: ah autumn
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller wait is this new ? or just the feb thing ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 720 @ 0.00167939 = 1.2092 BTC [-] {4}
TomServo: 0,w_636/18mkjam2vb6sajpg.jpg
TomServo: whups
Vexual: msg nickerv setpassword dog
Vexual: whups
Vexual: mircea_popescu great dissection of some great writing, i would think tho, that the our in our happiness refers not to the individual, but the collective man as a beast
Vexual: think peter fonda deciding to get loaded
decimation: asciilifeform: re: analogue computing << this is essentially what rf circuitry is doing. the general fad these days is to move all of this computation to the conventional binary machinery
Vexual: wait, was i supposed to think that? oshit
mircea_popescu: Vexual maybe.,
chalbersma: Mircea. I have the p2pool server ready for testing.
mircea_popescu: X-Rob you there ?
chalbersma: I do however need a link to use for the contact tab. Right now it redirects to me blog.
chalbersma: I can redirect to ATC homepage.
mircea_popescu: actually redirect it to here is prolly best
mircea_popescu: what are pool details again ?
mircea_popescu: o wait, gotta make an account or something first right ?
Vexual: yeah dumb it down, i never p2pd
chalbersma: It's p2pool
chalbersma: So use 104.131.60.126:8559 for the server
chalbersma: Your ATC address for the Username
chalbersma: and anything you'd like for the password
chalbersma: The web interface is available for viewing at http://104.131.60.126:8559/static/
assbot: P2Pool
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell X-Rob 104.131.60.126:8559 use bingo's address as before.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
Vexual: do you recommend or unrecommend any hardware?
chalbersma: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/P2Pool#Interoperability_table The code is 90% the same. But most things should work all right.
assbot: P2Pool - Bitcoin
chalbersma: I haven't had any problems with P2pool yet.
Vexual: chalbersma: it arrives in the wallet freshly minted yes?
chalbersma: Yep when the block is solved it's split evenly among the shares.
assbot: Bitcoin Block #320583
Vexual: you should add atc donations
Vexual: oh thats not yors?
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