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TheNewDeal: !up vexual
Vexual: hi
BingoBoingo: Vexual: Did Big Bird really try to make you a trophy?
Vexual: yeah
Vexual: i blame juliani
assbot: FKA twigs - Papi Pacify - YouTube
ben_vulpes: <kakobrekla> to prospective advertisers/spammers, one can no longer buy van ad on bitbet. we are back to classic rotator. << toll the bell
Duffer1: mmm twigs
Duffer1: love that song ben_vulpes
ben_vulpes: ;;isitdown
gribble: is up
BingoBoingo: ;;isitdown
gribble: is up
BingoBoingo: !up Vexual
Vexual: whats this paypal thing?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 15776 @ 0.00005105 = 0.8054 BTC [-] {7}
BingoBoingo: It's the thing the late moneypacks go into
xmj: good morning
mod6: $proxies
empyex: mod6: Proxies: Current MPEx GPG-Key-ID: 02DD2D91
mod6 scratches head
mod6: nm
empyex: mod6: MPEx-Status: (error), (error), (error), (error), (926 milliseconds)
mod6: o.O
mod6: hmm. works through tor.
Vexual: <asciilifeform>does anyone still fly those 'suicide' choppers that consist of a chair and motorcycle engine ? <Yep, over 9000 time safer than walking about in the outback
Vexual: that being said, at over 100 feet the biggest killer is gravity
BingoBoingo: Vexual: Well, when you still have full sized velociraptors
BingoBoingo: !up Vexual
Vexual: yeah shits crazy
Vexual: ;;google taipan bite survivors
gribble: Survivors of Taipan bites - Sciencentre: <>; Teenager bitten by inland taipan in Hunter Valley | The Australian: <>; Snake-bite victim could have been (1 more message)
ben_vulpes: mod6: what's vol?
ben_vulpes: $proxies
empyex: ben_vulpes: Proxies: Current MPEx GPG-Key-ID: 02DD2D91
empyex: ben_vulpes: MPEx-Status: (939 milliseconds), (894 milliseconds), (840 milliseconds), (1042 milliseconds), (911 milliseconds)
xmj: hey ben_vulpes
ben_vulpes: yessss?
xmj: ben_vulpes: how's tricks?
ben_vulpes: too busy for my own good
xmj: ahah
ben_vulpes: so busy i couldn't put enough time into van to make it work
ben_vulpes: and yourself xmj?
xmj: doing good
xmj: still recovering from a month of travelling, apparently
fluffypony: xmj: around?
xmj: fluffypony: yo
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17930 @ 0.00077193 = 13.8407 BTC [-] {2}
fluffypony: xmj: if I have an app that already uses Clang over gcc on OS X then it should be able to use Clang on FreeBSD out the box, no?
xmj: theoretically yes, what app are you talking about?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25125 @ 0.00076689 = 19.2681 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: monero-project/bitmonero GitHub
fluffypony: I've just finished installing cmake from ports, so I think I have all the deps
fluffypony: going to try compile and see what explodes
xmj: fluffypony: lemme know once you have it running
xmj: fluffypony: if you hand me a list of dependencies i can cook it into a port. also why are you using freebsd ;)
fluffypony: xmj: I want compatability with fbsd from now and in a way that doesn't require a ports maintainer to patch stuff
fluffypony: so that in future we can just maintain that compatability
fluffypony: instead of having to work backwards
xmj: well that's neat
xmj: do you already have someone who might be able to maintain that port?
fluffypony: we already maintain the Windows / *nix / OS X compatability, so this is just adding to it
fluffypony: but not maintaining a port in the ports tree, no
fluffypony: that you can definitely doa
xmj: oh, but i want to recruit new folks
RagnarDanneskjol: i can help
fluffypony: well in that case can we host the port on our repo or how does it work?
xmj: no no
fluffypony: teach me your ways
xmj: fluffypony: you guys host the software somewhere, e.g. on github or sourceforge or whatever
fluffypony: *ticks box*
xmj: someone (let's call him "new guy") maintains the port for it, you know, Makefile, pkg-descr, pkg-plist and distinfo
xmj: every time a new release comes out he updates Makefile and distinfo with the new stuff, and checks that things still run.
fluffypony: ok so kinda like the guy that maintains the Homebrew tap for us -
assbot: homebrew-cryptonight/bitmonero.rb at master sammy007/homebrew-cryptonight GitHub
xmj: then sends a PR (problem report) to bugzilla with a patch attached, and someone like me comes, takes that patch, commits it to ports and all are happy
xmj: fluffypony: bingo
xmj: fluffypony: case in point, it's always awesome to get new people contributing, so if you know someone (else) who'd like to do that
xmj: nag him to take maintainership.
fluffypony: oh no, I don't have boost...building boost is going to take a few hours
xmj: lol
xmj: fluffypony: you can install it with pkgng
fluffypony: xmj: in that case can't we maintain it ourselves?
xmj: well, sure!
fluffypony: ok - a bit later once I've gotten this working or exploding I'll ping you and we can figure out from there
xmj: i figured you'd a) be too lazy to do that yourself and b) have someone else using freebsd you could nag into doing that
xmj: awesome
xmj goes compile webkit-gtk3
xmj: see you in a few days.. ;)
kakobrekla: ben_vulpes was i not suppose to?
Duffer1: omg lol i'm having a conversation with that vid in the background then all of a sudden 2:50 o.O
RagnarDanneskjol: that is wrong in so many ways. that noise will haunt me
cazalla: sounds like bullshit but im willing to try, brb shops
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73328 @ 0.00077556 = 56.8703 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: Penis Dating - YouTube
xmj: fluffypony: you've got quite some code churn in that repo
xmj: not bad :-0
fluffypony: you should check the development branch, way more going on there :-p
xmj: details.. ;)
xmj: why is monero more awesome than everything else?
fluffypony: well the privacy stuff is obviously quite cool
fluffypony: and the stealth addresses are made up of two keys, a view and a spend key
fluffypony: so you can offload your transaction processing by revealing your view key whilst still retaining control of your funds through your spend key
fluffypony: and ring signatures (group signatures) on inputs on tx's makes transactions on the blockchain unlinkable, since an observer can never know whether a utxo has actually been spent or is merely included as part of a ring signature
fluffypony: which leads to neat spin-off projects like this:
assbot: monero-project/urs GitHub
assbot: Unique Ring Signatures using secp256k1 keys
assbot: [PSA] if you are invested or gambling at, please login and divest/withdraw asap! confirmed scam to players and investors : Bitcoin
RagnarDanneskjol: [A comparison between Bitcoin and other assets using an intraday Value at Risk approach]
cazalla: jurov, such a shame, i like that dice site
mircea_popescu: so buenos aires is completely fucking flooded
cazalla: strange, so is melbourne
cazalla: we had hail as well, my sugar snap peas are fucked
mircea_popescu: yup it started raining with nightfall, then it hailed for like an hour
mircea_popescu: by now the sidewalk is under a river
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla "When did BitBet started?" rly ? anyway, he can come here and ask w/e. but otherwise no.
assbot: yona__ +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
RagnarDanneskjol: !up yona__
mircea_popescu: who's yona__
yona__: well, here from bitcoin emBassy in Tel Aviv
RagnarDanneskjol: dunno, someone who wanted voice apparently
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu ur no fun. i sent him this way.
mircea_popescu: no but i mean, zero effort fuckwits. "do my job for me please, what is the difference between bitbet and "other brands" ?
mircea_popescu: what the fuck other brands for crying out loud.
mircea_popescu: yona__ a hi. how's tel aviv ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.00077442 = 3.5623 BTC [-]
assbot: Abandoned Supersonic TU-144 in a Russian backyard.
mircea_popescu: punkman it's prolly a strip club
punkman: sounds fun
yona__: well, Tel Aviv is humid, but it seems to bode well for bitcoin
punkman: what does the embassy do?
yona__: we are an open source non for profit community hub
punkman: server not found?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.1868165 = 1.1209 BTC [-] {3}
yona__: it's like IRC but in real world :)
RagnarDanneskjol: what is this phrase "not for profit". what is the alternative
mircea_popescu: i wonder why people think there's some sort of dichotomy between irc and irl.
punkman: mircea_popescu: but gribble can't make coffee yet
mircea_popescu: punkman so ? the next step is for the girlfriend at work to claim she's fucking you irl while the wife is somehow virtual, because you interact with her mostly through postits and phone calls.
mircea_popescu: o look, pos-tits! who knew.
mircea_popescu: !up yona__
RagnarDanneskjol: !up yona__
punkman: yona__: so describe a good day in the embassy
punkman: do people trade? work on altcoins? just sit around drinking coffee and derping about bitcoin?
mircea_popescu: it's not with people, it's in the real world.
mircea_popescu: you know, they don't make these diplomats of the same substance they used to.
punkman: myeah
mircea_popescu: im kinda surprised nobody's trying more productive paths of insanity. why claim to be whatever, the bitcoin chamber of commerce ?
mircea_popescu: why not claim you're the empress of jormania or something
mircea_popescu: the real niece of grace kelly, whatever.
mircea_popescu: i guess these known affectations are overpopulated and so don't hold as much perceived cachet,. huh. random tramp invited for her tits and drunken antics at some party wouldn't get away with claiming she's the real niece of napoleon's first wife quite as well.
mircea_popescu: hm. actually, the fuck she wouldn't. of course she wouild, nobody cares *what* she claims.
xmj: mircea_popescu: if she has nice tits..
xmj: exactly, nobody cares
mircea_popescu: i dun get it.
xmj: she's invited for her tits, not for the witty statements she makes.
mircea_popescu: punkman that is total bs. women don't walk on their heel. like, at all.
mircea_popescu: unless it's some sort of land whale, the reason she has heels in the first place is because she walks on the ball of her foot anyway.
punkman: walking on your heels hurts
punkman: for me at least
mircea_popescu: it'd fucking better, on high heels. the fucking point of them is for wrong girlwalk to hurt.
xmj: that and to make legs longer, thereby faking better fertility.
mircea_popescu: fuck the fertility, long legs look better.
mircea_popescu: if only a mechanical apparatus could be devised to make every twennysomething derp hurt each time she posts something stupid on reddit
mircea_popescu: life was better before the intellectual revolution. in these postmuscular times we're stuck with meta-meta bs.
mircea_popescu: ;;seen Kleeck
gribble: Kleeck was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 31 weeks, 2 days, 9 hours, 59 minutes, and 12 seconds ago: <kleeck> yeah... hilarious..?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform << ever seen or before your time ?
assbot: America and intellectual relevance pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1663 @ 0.00063633 = 1.0582 BTC [+] {4}
kakobrekla: so i fire up bitcoind to sync last n days and after only a few min i get traffic in 27 megs, out 50 megs
kakobrekla: is this thing underfed?
kakobrekla: (also my upload speed is one fourth of download)
kakobrekla: i dont have hard data but over the thumb the experience was much better a year ago
kakobrekla: seems like too many leechers in torrent speak
kakobrekla: but dunno, last time i checked bitcoind node count was going down
mircea_popescu: it;'s been underfed for a while.
kakobrekla: its some weird shit
kakobrekla: when in doubt, blame the usg?
mircea_popescu: what's so weird about it tho ?
mircea_popescu: this has been long said here, the #1 problem with the bitcoin protocol is that it has no specific payment for relays, and it allows separation of mining and relay.
kakobrekla: so when i fire it up i would expect it to be heavy on the download not the upload especially with my line asymmetry , instead you get the opposite
kakobrekla: now when its sycned up the upload is gone
mircea_popescu: maybe you have bad pings or some obscure port block from trhe isp ?
kakobrekla: not sure wtf but ill be keepin an eye out
kakobrekla: node count over past 60 days seems kinda stable at 7k
kakobrekla: at lest so is reported on
mircea_popescu: actually i just looked and it's not nearly as bad as it used to be
mircea_popescu: mebbe peter todd's thing actually helped.
kakobrekla: which part isnt as bad
kakobrekla: node count?
kakobrekla: sync speed?
mircea_popescu: the bw flow
mircea_popescu: "node count" isn't necessarily all that relevant
mircea_popescu: someone needs to figure out how to make a power distribution system that doesn't depend on not being flooded
mircea_popescu: this is getting ridiculous
jurov: easy. don't live in flood prone areas.
mircea_popescu: dude goes to doctor, "hey doc, if i do this it hurts" "so don't do that"
mircea_popescu: i think you misunderstand what technology is for :D
Vexual: blacklist
assbot: Does obtaining leaked data from a misconfigured website violate the CFAA? - The Washington Post
Vexual: depends if youre the government or not
Vexual: ross is getting done for hacking tools
Vexual: i doubt the fbi did anything longhand
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo short answer, "doing anything is illegal"
Vexual: watch?v=swHXwZcW5Vg
Vexual: better call saul
Vexual: prove it cunt. well, you siezed my computer, and then i was incarcirated.
Vexual: 7Y6ihWvymwg
assbot: In D.C., a 13-year-old piano prodigy is treated as a truant instead of a star student - The Washington Post
Vexual: sounds jazzy, might be a felony
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00077664 = 7.1451 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: intellectual-relevance << yes.
mircea_popescu: !up guntha
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aok
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal: has any numbnut admitted fault to the btc/eur fiasco on btce last night? << nope.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: Job interview Wednesday < for what ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Library work
mircea_popescu: hey if you get it, do me a favour, count heads. i'm curious what % of hot women in the library population.
mircea_popescu: mod6: hmm. works through tor. << i think maybe proxy checker had a local connectivity issue
BingoBoingo: Sure, can do
mircea_popescu: assbot: [PSA] if you are invested or gambling at, please login and divest/withdraw asap! confirmed scam to players and investors : Bitcoin <<< hey kako what is teh diff between bitbet and other brands!11
mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol: [A comparison between Bitcoin and other assets using an intraday Value at Risk approach] << "
mircea_popescu: The promising cryptocurrency Bitcoin has attracted a lot of attention recently, but the high volatility of the Bitcoin price has so far been a barrier to widespread adoption."
mircea_popescu: right, they know this.
mircea_popescu: i also like to open research by postulating improbable but piously repeated nonsense, it makes reading it worthwhile
RagnarDanneskjol: piously repeated, predictable conclusions - yes, but the research methodology appeared to be relatively sound and thourough
mircea_popescu: once you know what you want the conclusions to be, making the methodology seem sound isn't much of a task.
mircea_popescu: making the methodology be sound when you have nfi idea where you're going is a little harder
RagnarDanneskjol: very true
RagnarDanneskjol: I'm a sucker - appreciate academic research in the area however misguided it may be
mircea_popescu: kinda why real research is so easily overtaken by government sponsored nonsense.
mircea_popescu: i'm a hater, all it takes me is one broken sentence and im gone.
RagnarDanneskjol: hahah - so true
mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol well government wasn't the right word i guess. "establishment" ?
RagnarDanneskjol: sure - all the same apparatus I suppose
mircea_popescu: in other news, the chick that fell in love with a wolf
assbot: Claudia Fugazza | Do as I do
RagnarDanneskjol: a Degree in Dog Breeding -who knew such a thing
mircea_popescu: you can get a degree in getting degrees by now.
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell strtp`fndr This hangover has lead me to a decision. I won't be investing in flappy airplane, so don't worry about that test.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: hey fluffypony do you plan to eventually sell the monero idea here once it reaches some sort of maturity or do you just plan to wait indefinitely for b-a to figure it out ?
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell strtp`fndr Also how do you profess to do anything IP related and not know that boat hull designs were kind of the big impetus for the stuff taking off.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
rithm: a degree in dog breeding sounds exciting
mircea_popescu: rithm 12154jcphamguruvan432014-03-07 17:10:02-5defaulted on 100 btc loan << that bit. you never answered, what was it ?
rithm: i'm not sure i understand the question
mircea_popescu: can you tell me what the dispute with guruvan was
rithm: i think your question arised from the time at which the rating was entered which is scewed from the statement in reality
rithm: 4th dimensionally, speaking
rithm: the statement being true, in any case
rithm: iirc i'm allowed to enter rating 3 years in retrograde
rithm: it's part of the ponzi circle-jerk idk what else to tell you
assbot: Last 6 lines bashed and pending review. ( )
rithm: you try to diversify, what do your borrorers do, ponzi on!
mircea_popescu: rithm tell me something substantial.
mircea_popescu: narrative form works. start somewhere and go with it.
rithm: negative ghostrider, the pattern is full.
rithm: do your fly-by elsewhere
mircea_popescu: this is like talking to vexual.
rithm is a dancer?
rithm: i invoke.
rithm: in any case.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [BTM] 1000 @ 0.0017017 = 1.7017 BTC [+] {5}
rithm: i could ;;unrate and wash it clean if you like
rithm: but that doesn't seem very WoT
BingoBoingo: <rithm> negative ghostrider, the pattern is full. << Imma have to use this pattern is full business sometime
mircea_popescu: what i'd like most would be to discern meaning and structure in your activity. but that seems too much to ask, so im just gonna forge tabout it.
rithm: BingoBoingo, are you Maverick or Goose?
BingoBoingo: Iceman
rithm: nice...
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo for the record, top gun is a parody, right ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Doesn't seem to have been intended as one.
BingoBoingo: Seems to have been a propaganda piece
TomServo: Ever heard Tarantino's explanation?
assbot: Quentin Tarantino taking on Top Gun - YouTube
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Now if Top Gun was parody what does that make
assbot: Hot Shots! - Die Mutter aller Filme (1991) - IMDb
mircea_popescu: TomServo never had ty
mircea_popescu: TomServo you know his famous explanation as to what like a virgin is all about i imagine
TomServo: I do.
mircea_popescu: someone should pay that guy to write QT's Explanation As To What All Pop Culture Is All About.
mircea_popescu: twelve volumes, bound in starlet leather.
rithm: ;;rate guruvan -5 loan default
assbot: for my hunny bunny mircea -
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user guruvan has changed from -5 to -5.
rithm: ;;balance 1Pu6DJjHVd35kWZRKKikbB41qiAyJPwhkx
rithm: 1 month %15 interest seems legit
rithm epic facepalms
rithm: ;;balance 1KxguySN2W7DHasLGTjzoqP8VNpmUZu7HW
assbot: Bitcoin Address 1KxguySN2W7DHasLGTjzoqP8VNpmUZu7HW
rithm: interesting address for reference point
guruvan: oh hey mircea_popescu that's a loan that I had quite some time ago ( took loan @ $6.50 or so) and haven't been able to repay yet. 70BTC still outstanding.
rithm: yes i'm being interrogated about it guruvan
rithm: how are you
guruvan: good - who's interrogating you?
rithm: mircea jesus
guruvan: oic
rithm: i thought some repyment was made as well but i'm not able to locate that at this time, although i'm sure i have a record of it somewhere
rithm: ;;ident
gribble: CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'rithm', with hostmask 'rithm!~rithm@unaffiliated/rithm', is identified as user 'jcpham', with GPG key id C71FB5ED6ACE04AF, key fingerprint F7299BD73879E866613EAB24C71FB5ED6ACE04AF, and bitcoin address 157CrafPv8oGC7f5vVFuLnE1BgDYUND4hq
guruvan: Ah. I was about to ask this :)
guruvan: I looked for your nick when I came back on irc
rithm: i'm here but certainly not what you'd call active
guruvan: lol. I've not been on irc in forever. but I'll be here all the time for some time now.
guruvan will still repay this loan
rithm: sweet!
rithm: i'll remove the negrate!
guruvan: awesome!!!
guruvan: it still might take time, but it still will get repaid.
rithm: 10-4
kakobrekla: interest included? :)
kakobrekla: 15 monthly since 2012 is something.
rithm: hey, let's all be gentlemen
mircea_popescu: guruvan yeah i was asking. when old names show up after an absence there's always the suspicion of squatting, and then i saw the - and itwent from there.
mircea_popescu: !up karma
guruvan: thanks mircea_popescu - I should have authed in channel when I got in
guruvan: kakobrekla: some kind of interest, of course! (maybe not the ridiculous APR we were all seeing back then!
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 1.07 ** (52/12)
gribble: 1.34069411581
mircea_popescu: 34% per month!
guruvan: lulz
guruvan: on top of orders of magnitude in USD value ;)
mircea_popescu: in 2012 ? nah mostly stable then wasn't it
mircea_popescu: 5 to 10 range
rithm: 5 -> 10 12 ish -> ponzi -> 3
rithm: thank you to everyone for communicating with me
guruvan: and me - and thanks for watching for imposters mircea_popescu (and everyone)
mircea_popescu: << not peeing all over one's butt, still the hardest part of womanhood
rithm: i'm not unreasonable. the contract has no clause for usd repayment. contracts can be amended.
rithm: arrangements can be made
guruvan: The loan was in BTC, and should be paid in BTC, in full IMO
rithm: i agree with you and thank you
guruvan: lucky for you, I don't earn money in USD, so it's not so much an issue as it could be
guruvan: lucky for you....lucky for ME
rithm: but i'm not some usurious vulture preying on people here
guruvan: no...also lucky for me ;)
artifexd: ;;ident guruvan
gribble: Nick 'guruvan', with hostmask 'guruvan!~guruvan@gateway/tor-sasl/guruvan', is identified as user 'guruvan', with GPG key id AF02B22DA54E87F2, key fingerprint 50C9ACA3898D561CEFE518FCAF02B22DA54E87F2, and bitcoin address 1GUruvanCg4gS62XCeD9VbCzJhT1cyn2a3
thestringpuller: ;;tickers
gribble: Error: "tickers" is not a valid command.
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 464.03, Best ask: 464.92, Bid-ask spread: 0.89000, Last trade: 464.03, 24 hour volume: 10663.55223220, 24 hour low: 459.18, 24 hour high: 478.39, 24 hour vwap: 468.810668659
thestringpuller: !l m s.mpoe
assbot: Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.00077664 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: what happened with vanads on bitbet? cant you just up the cost to mitigate asshats?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves van ads are taking a sabbatical or something like that.
mircea_popescu: << this is what a powerpoint presentation shuld have been in the first place.
mircea_popescu: have this wooden lattice corner in every office, tie bad girls to it as need arises.
ThickAsThieves: pallet porn
mod6: ha
ThickAsThieves: in what does "The Court granted the Defendants’ motion to reconsider its prior decision on subject-matter jurisdiction, but denied the Defendants’ motion to dismiss for lack of subject-matter jurisdiction." mean?
assbot: Eastern District Court of Texas Holds that Bitcoin Investments Are Securities | BuckleySandler LLP - JDSupra
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves starting where ? do you know what a motion is ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1290 @ 0.00063811 = 0.8232 BTC [-] {2}
ThickAsThieves: they wont dismiss, but what does reconsideration of subject-matter jurisdiction mean?
mircea_popescu: whether that court may or may not judge the subject in contention
rithm: gotta love courts and judges
ThickAsThieves: if they find they may not, then who might may?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves if we were maried and i sued you for divorce and filed this with the admirality court
rithm: lol
mircea_popescu: they'd decide they have no subject matter jurisdiction and throw the case out
mircea_popescu: and it's not their job to say that.
thestringpuller: ThickAsThieves weren't you gonna make a BTC record label?
ThickAsThieves: so the pros would have to refile with a court they feel might match?
mircea_popescu: generally there's a catchall jurisdiction, usually the appelate.
ThickAsThieves: but SEC wants East Texas
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.40915124 BTC to 15`372 shares, 9167 satoshi per share
mircea_popescu: depends, on some subject matter the supreme court is the catchall
mircea_popescu: and this may well be it.
mircea_popescu: meaning they won't be able to convict for a coupla decades.
mircea_popescu: not too likely tho. in general in the us a federal circuit court will pick weird stuff up rather than pass it up the line
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 2.98996880 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 260 satoshi per share
ThickAsThieves: do you think Ulbricht should go to prison?
rithm: is it legal to fuzz captchas
ThickAsThieves: rithm there's an article on that in the NYTimes i think
ThickAsThieves: or WashPost
ThickAsThieves: i forget which
mircea_popescu: in my country ? not on what i've seen so far. other countrikes can run whichever way they please.
rithm: i'm just wondering how far technically a jury trial can go when we start talking about injection and fuzzing
rithm: this is highly technical and should've/coul've been meticulously documented
rithm: juries not so much any of that
ThickAsThieves: not a new problem
jurov: mircea_popescu when are F.DERP asks starting? or you just sold all of it to yourself? :D
assbot: Doubts cast over FBI 'leaky CAPTCHA' Silk Road rapture The Register
mircea_popescu: jurov yeah atm im holding it all. prolly after there's decent bids.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves fabulous, their parallel construction is collapsing and the matter's not even at appeal yet.
mircea_popescu: this has the potential to turn into one of the most embarassing moments for us da's derpidity.
ThickAsThieves: specifically: "In this scenario, the description of packet sniffers and 'inspecting each packet' is all a distraction from what the FBI really did. Technically, saying that a packet sniffer revealed the true IP address of the server is true – what isn't mentioned is the packet sniffer was picking up responses from a request to the login page that was forcing it to spit out the IP
ThickAsThieves: address as part of a bug."
asciilifeform: Ulbricht should go to prison? << nah. he should experience the 'five punishments.' not for dope, but for being a public idiot.
assbot: News from The Associated Press
mircea_popescu: wasn;t the punishment for public idiocy public ridicule ?
mircea_popescu: that's been exacted already.
mircea_popescu: Sandra Riahi, 22, in a bikini, chimed in: "I've never done it. I'd be too embarrassed." <<< let the sand niggers in, get fucking burkas and "embarassed" women.
mircea_popescu: also lol@the propaganda, hitching english "feminism" to french toplessness.
ThickAsThieves: when will male toplessness go away?
mircea_popescu: prolly as soon as armpit sweat goes.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform : Sĭ (死), death. Following the Sui and Tang Dynasties there were generally two options: strangulation (jiǎo 絞/绞) or decapitation (zhǎn 斩/斬). From the Song Dynasty (970–1279 CE) onwards, slow slicing (língchí 凌迟) along with beheading (xiāoshŏu 枭首) were also used. The death penalty could be remitted on payment of 42 guàn in copper cash.
[]bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "King Felix to Reign MLB Strikeouts" Odds: 10(Y):90(N) by coin, 21(Y):79(N) by weight. Total bet: 1.815 BTC. Current weight: 26,346.
mircea_popescu: they totally should have this. for speeding and for substance abuses. "buy your selection of pop starlets for 42 bitcents a head"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, yes, these.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: also see 'waist chop.'
mircea_popescu: they totally need this "buy ex cons" thing for rich people.
ThickAsThieves: at least give the convicted the option i guess, death or slavery
mircea_popescu: for all the derpage about re=education, the only way reeducation happens is teh dungeon.
mircea_popescu: !up maclane
mircea_popescu: amusingly, the punishments for women include forced suicide and confinement to a room, but no mastectomy/hysterectomy, and the jail thing ranks above suicide in severity.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the chinese had little grasp of antisepsis. if i recall - death rate of eunuch production was around 1 in 3.
asciilifeform: and that's just snipped balls.
mircea_popescu: these are convicts.
asciilifeform: so: sepsis is an uninspiring and tedious death
asciilifeform: in china, death is a spectator sport.
asciilifeform: hence, 'ling-chi', etc.
mircea_popescu: sepsis is an incredibly specatotor -friendly death.
mircea_popescu: you ever smelled it ?
asciilifeform: for some values of 'friendly.'
mircea_popescu: well, it delivers a show.
ThickAsThieves: well with all the feminism, who wants nuts anyway!
mircea_popescu: black walnut!
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 464.35, Best ask: 465.75, Bid-ask spread: 1.40000, Last trade: 465.64, 24 hour volume: 9858.38067360, 24 hour low: 459.18, 24 hour high: 478.39, 24 hour vwap: 468.672764342
dub: applolpocalypse?
ThickAsThieves: "The Mayo Clinic will be giving Apple a hand at its launch event this evening, according to the Star Tribune. "
assbot: Obama Replaces Surgeon General with Nurse Practitioner General - Medical Satire - GomerBlog
ThickAsThieves: apple is nuts if it thinks i'm downloading safari just to watch their shit
dub: yeah lol
ThickAsThieves: last thing i need is a nude selfie scandal!
dub: makes sense though, you dont want normal people to point and laugh at your latest tardphone
assbot: Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( )
BingoBoingo: I just can't wait for the media to reinvent the word "nudie" by combing "nude" and "selfie"
dub: wow
dub: iphone6, its a samsung
ThickAsThieves: arent they all?
xmj: made in taiwan?
dub: Phil Schiller tells the world about his cameltoe
dub: sorry, gunt
dub: ;;ud gunt
gribble: | Bulging area found on large older women between the waist and the genital area . Not quite a gut, not quite a cunt... The Gunt.
dub: bullshit
dub: its a manletoe
rithm: mantletoe ha
dub: omg landscape view
kakobrekla: ;;tslb
atcbot: Time Since Last ATC Block: 0 hour(s), 56 minutes
gribble: Time since last block: 31 minutes and 23 seconds
kakobrekla: the diff is too god damn high.
dub: chill, your iphone purchase will go through eventually
ThickAsThieves: Super Evil Megacorp is actually a cool name
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 279961.07 in 1310 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -85.09
dub: _up to_ 50% faster since 2007
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6327 @ 0.00077649 = 4.9129 BTC [-] {2}
ThickAsThieves: i wonder how much work goes into picking the right blue jeans to present in
dub: dude there is probably NLP best practise for which way to arrange your junk
xmj: NLP neuro linguistic programming?
ThickAsThieves: please ensure no penis-shaped shadows are apparent
dub: frank left beans right, makes sales go right
ThickAsThieves: if penis is too large, please place along seam, between legs
dub: all teh blogs are omg 50% faster!
dub: less thank half of moores and light years behind competition!!!!1!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15995 @ 0.00077768 = 12.439 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: hilarious that wifi calling is a feature and only limited support
dub: only connects to airports or whatever those things are
dub: It.s always good to know your audience [are retarded].
dub: black folk on a horse!
dub: ahaha
dub: iphone6, now with nigger detection
assbot: Drunk woman tried to pick up kid at Trinity school, hit 2 cars, - WFLA News Channel 8
ThickAsThieves: Cue says "we are not in the business of collecting your data."
ThickAsThieves: nope, just leaking it
ThickAsThieves: apple signed up an asston of merchants and banks for iPay huh
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 466.8, Best ask: 467.56, Bid-ask spread: 0.76000, Last trade: 466.81, 24 hour volume: 7181.99975766, 24 hour low: 459.18, 24 hour high: 478.39, 24 hour vwap: 468.624580322
BingoBoingo: !t n apl
assbot: Aren't those tins of tobacco right there behind you?
assbot: Someone’s Threatening to Expose Bitcoin Founder Satoshi Nakamoto | Enterprise | WIRED
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: now we know why they knocked on your door.
assbot: Ended CardReaderFactory Lancelot Group Purchase due to Seller Business Practice
asciilifeform: fpga mining board (as late as 2013) advertised by 'cardreaderfactory', a firm which appears to sell 'card skimmers' (a type of cheating device, popular in usa, where credit card magstripes are secretly read from unsuspecting victim)
ThickAsThieves: so satoshi is a scammer
asciilifeform: or that disposable email popped open ages ago.
asciilifeform: or good disinfo artist.
assbot: - Non Moderated beheaders claim behead many soldier on Division 17
The20YearIRCloud: hello friend
thestringpuller: iPay w poop
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Interesting, I wonder if I know anyone in 63101
thestringpuller: i'm going to patent iPoop
BingoBoingo: Lol that address isn't in the city it seems to be in the middle of the ghetto between Ferguson and Dellwood (also not that ZIP)
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: bozo orders $turd, uses 'satoshi' email addr, snore.
BingoBoingo: Turd orderer seems to the the mailman
assbot: 63101 Zip Code
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Seems to be the case, except turd prolly wasn't ordered.
assbot: Apple Watch: Everything You Need To Know | Gizmodo Australia
The20YearIRCloud: 5% better performance !
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo it's what it always meant neh ?
mircea_popescu: nudies, amateur naked ladies.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves: Super Evil Megacorp is actually a cool name << foreal.
ben_vulpes: ios watch: bubble season conspicuous consumption play?
asciilifeform catching up on logs, wondering why 'van ads' was declared failed experiment
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: needs more time than i can give it.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: time for what? i thought it was automatic.
ben_vulpes: moar features.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Indeed, just waiting for the media to present it as new
mircea_popescu: oh that lancelot drama
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: tap die holder.
mircea_popescu: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 319881 | Current Difficulty: 2.7428630902257874E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 320543 | Next Difficulty In: 662 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 23 hours, 27 minutes, and 31 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 29141322280.6 | Estimated Percent Change: 6.24417
assbot: BitBet - BTC Difficulty over 31Bn before October :: 82.76 B (93%) on Yes, 6.09 B (7%) on No | closing in 1 week 4 hours | weight: 26`860 (100`000 to 1)
mircea_popescu: srsly, 13:1 ?!
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 319881 | Current Difficulty: 2.7428630902257874E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 320543 | Next Difficulty In: 662 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 23 hours, 27 minutes, and 31 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 29141322280.6 | Estimated Percent Change: 6.24417
mircea_popescu: basically if the next diff isn't up 6.5% it's a no
BingoBoingo: ;;tslb
gribble: Time since last block: 6 minutes and 53 seconds
artifexd: Seeing as mp has brought up the october bet a couple time and expressed surprise that it is so lopsided, I think he is expecting it to resolve as no.
mircea_popescu: artifexd it's more of an academic interest.
mircea_popescu: outrageous difficulty bitbets have a lengthy tradition of coming out yes.
gribble: 2.7428630902257874E10
artifexd: Working through this: 5 days from now is the 14th. If difficulty doesn't go up or down, the next readjustment would be on the 28th.
thestringpuller: lol could very well be 31bn
thestringpuller: ;;estimate
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 29148006151.2 based on data since last change | 28524041524.0 based on data for last three days
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller it's been flagging lately. artifexd yeah, and that's the last one.
mircea_popescu: there's no way to get crammed in the remaining 16 days
BingoBoingo: <ozbot> 27.429 billion | Next Diff in 662 blocks | Estimated Change: 6.2322% in 4d 7h 20m 23s
artifexd: You need, what, a 12% increase in the next two adjustments? That seems almost certain. Which the odds on the bet would confirm.
mircea_popescu: why's it so certain ?
BingoBoingo: Fuck me, this could resolve as no the time I don't have money on it.
artifexd: The estimate for the current period is over 6%. That leaves, as you say, another 6.5% for the next period.
artifexd: Hmmm...
artifexd: Looking at it does look like the increase is slowing down.
assbot: Bitcoin network graphs
mircea_popescu: well i mean sure, it could be over six. just as well, it could not be. on the yes side, the observation that diff keeps increasing. on the no side, the observation that no trend lasts forever.
mircea_popescu: which is why 13:1 seems wild to me, but perhaps my odds brain is too steeped in fiat.
artifexd: Yep. You sold me. I'm going to put a couple btc on no.
mircea_popescu: it's rare for a horse to be at 13:1 for instance.
mircea_popescu: and even 3:1 winners are rare
BingoBoingo: Well, horses also tend to come with more names than "yes" and "no"
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo suppose you split the whole run into two teams or something, i dunno.
artifexd: ;;tslb
gribble: Time since last block: 18 minutes and 56 seconds
RagnarDanneskjol: you sure thats a girl
mircea_popescu: micropenis & tiniballs ?
mircea_popescu: well, i'm of the "if it feels like a girl it is a girl" school of heterosexuality.
asciilifeform: 'eat recycled food...'
mircea_popescu: all food is recycled, what do you think the plants do ?
mircea_popescu: suck up the shit make an apple.
asciilifeform: well, there's recycled and recycled.
asciilifeform: (familiar with origin of english word 'shoddy' ?)
mircea_popescu: quite my point.
mircea_popescu: o look at that, apparently it's civil war for bad bandage
assbot: What is Shoddy?
kakobrekla: so basically its 90% fertilizer and 10% cloth
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12402 @ 0.00077522 = 9.6143 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: pity they couldn't make social media sites out of it back them
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7598 @ 0.00077114 = 5.8591 BTC [-]
[]bot: Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "BTC Difficulty over 31Bn before October" Odds: 91(Y):9(N) by coin, 88(Y):12(N) by weight. Total bet: 90.86707126 BTC. Current weight: 26,762.
artifexd: ^ There's my bet
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 13 @ 0.177 = 2.301 BTC [-] {2}
ThickAsThieves: sry for your loss
ben_vulpes: betting against diff
ben_vulpes: ye boyeee
ThickAsThieves: ;;estimate
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | None based on data since last change | 28524041524.0 based on data for last three days
ThickAsThieves: gribble is not reliable
assbot: Bitcoin Difficulty and Hashrate Chart - BitcoinWisdom
ThickAsThieves: use that
mircea_popescu: !up tryphe
ThickAsThieves: shit i didnt realize i never placed a bet on that one
mircea_popescu: you boys be getting complacent ? BingoBoingo said the same thing
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.17500001 = 1.4 BTC [-] {2}
ThickAsThieves: i think what happened was i looked at it several times thinking, nah, no way it gets that high, and then feeling my brain pump chemical memories of when i bet against diff before and lost 50btc, so i abstained
ben_vulpes: betting with btc
ben_vulpes: call me a poorfag, but i don't get the risk.
ThickAsThieves: it's not just betting (we tell ourselves)
ThickAsThieves: you can hedge other invetsments, etc
ThickAsThieves: i believe nubbins has done such explicitly by creating the bet he needed
ThickAsThieves: i mean all investing is speculation, right?
ThickAsThieves: just degrees
pete_dushenski: labvakar (good evening) from riga!
artifexd: bitcoinwisdom certainly paints a picture of "I be a fool". In their whole history of difficulty increases, there have never been two consecutive difficulty increases that added up to less than 12%.
ThickAsThieves: <+pete_dushenski> labvakar (good evening) from riga! /// they have internet there?
pete_dushenski: ThickAsThieves: after the wall came down, it's like a new country!
ThickAsThieves: artifexd, it's not the worst risk/reward
ThickAsThieves: but yeah, a tight one...
ThickAsThieves: i tried to get nanotube to change how gribble does diff, but he's happy as it is
pete_dushenski: twas nice of mircea_popescu to (seemingly unintentionally) trick artifexd into contributing to the 31bn diff fund.
pete_dushenski: that'd be incredible if hashrate went to sub-200k and stayed there for the next 5 days
pete_dushenski: but ya never know
pete_dushenski: ;;nethash
gribble: 203975460.22
pete_dushenski: artifexd:^ There's my bet << so giving to teh community, this guy
pete_dushenski: so anyways, latvia...
pete_dushenski: and, as it so happened, lithuania
pete_dushenski: riga is worth a visit: fine food, reasonable prices, beautiful young women, appealing architecture
artifexd: I remain satisfied with my bet. No regrets yet.
pete_dushenski: definitely a few days worth of exploring to do here
pete_dushenski: jurmala (not your mama) is just 20km west and is the wealthy beach resort/bedroom community for riga, also well worth a visit
pete_dushenski: there's some of the most interesting residential architecture i've seen anywhere there
pete_dushenski: artifexd: it's only been 30 mins ;)
artifexd: Yeah. We'll see how I feel in 5 days.
pete_dushenski: kaunas, lithuania was an unexpected surprise. picturesque layout and a couple of local universities made for a lively nightlife
pete_dushenski: artifexd: mhm
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski fuck me i was just speaking extemporaneously
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: well maybe you'll be more careful next time
pete_dushenski: some people actually give weight to your words ;)
pete_dushenski: in the logs, it reads like a fisherman toying with his catch before gutting him
asciilifeform: mega-lol. might as well sue to get official naked picture of the fuhrer.
mircea_popescu: <pete_dushenski> riga is worth a visit: fine food, reasonable prices, beautiful young women, appealing architecture << all true.
assbot: suite a - Imgur
mircea_popescu: o for crying out loud. gutting my foot.
pete_dushenski: don't gut your foot now, i imagine it'd hurt
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lulzy
mircea_popescu: "dear nsa. please give me cookies. ty."
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: one can see why riga's popular with the british stag parties, russian biznessmen, and german tourists
artifexd: I don't want anybody to feel bad. If I lose the 2btc it is not going to come close to affecting my net worth at all. As tat says, the risk/reward seems about right.
asciilifeform: if nsa were girl... 'suite a' would be - the whole orchestra. or not even sure what.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if nsa were a girl, it wouldn't be asking for nudies, nor for a fuck, nor for a blowjob during superball, in the parking lot.
mircea_popescu: it'd be "please cut off your clit, put it in a sushi roll and mail it to me"
asciilifeform: approximately - this.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1500 @ 0.00060147 = 0.9022 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: Ok who's gonna be the first to put several Apple watches on his penis and make a teledildonics app?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.1742419 = 0.5227 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.17266998 = 1.7267 BTC [-] {7}
RagnarDanneskjol: !up RagnarsBitch
ThickAsThieves: so this 1btcxe challenge is by CFIG, which is Havelock?
assbot: Havelock Investments
ThickAsThieves: which is probly also these guys
assbot: Crypto Capital | Merging the Fiat & Crypto World | Exchanges, Investors, Traders
ThickAsThieves: interesting scrolly web design...
ThickAsThieves: must be a template cuz the logo sucks and doesnt match at all
TheNewDeal: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 474.2, Best ask: 474.87, Bid-ask spread: 0.67000, Last trade: 474.88, 24 hour volume: 8864.99346706, 24 hour low: 459.18, 24 hour high: 476.4, 24 hour vwap: 467.204371193
asciilifeform: btc atm... 'Cash in and cash out' << clearly funded by u.s. mint, where they'd like to learn what the state of the art in fooling automated benjamin testers is.
TheNewDeal: please explain
asciilifeform: TheNewDeal: machine, in theory, pisses out btc when you insert usd ?
asciilifeform: TheNewDeal: hooligan inserts counterfeit usd, walks away with btc.
TheNewDeal: so the idea is to try and forge a benjamin and get a real currency in return?
TheNewDeal: gotcha
TheNewDeal: Although I think if you could produce that quality of a bill, you most likely wouldn't have a problem giving it out to others (non btc atm owners)
jurov: do i see right the camera on top of that bitcoin-teller-machine ?
asciilifeform: jurov: there's traditionally a camera on u.s. atms.
jurov: til
asciilifeform: jurov: this is why scammers, thieves, etc. put on mask.
asciilifeform: TheNewDeal: the bar is considerably lower for fooling a machine. (until recently, the readers in american vending machines did not even contain colour cameras.)
asciilifeform: TheNewDeal: likewise, if you give a sham benjamin to a living person, he might cry out for help before you can run off.
asciilifeform: with machine - owner finds out, possibly weeks or months later, when he himself is prosecuted
jurov: well, the same was said to my fellow lamassu owner someone will put colored bills from burglared ATM in, etc.
jurov: surprise, apparently it did not happen yet in half a year
TheNewDeal: what was said jurov?
asciilifeform: right now, btc atm, as i understand, is scarce enough - and likewise scarce are the counterfeiters - that they have not yet met in 'true love' match.
jurov: TheNewDeal: they told him everyone will try to fool the machine
asciilifeform: but picture if you were a counterfeiter - could you even wish for a better place to make use of the fakes ?
jurov: well, i suppose they're fachidiots
TheNewDeal: I'm still surprised that you say it's easier to fake a machine than a person
TheNewDeal: would like to see more backup on this
asciilifeform: TheNewDeal: let's suppose you have no idea how the machine works
asciilifeform: (it is, in fact, a well-documented mechanism. but imagine.)
TheNewDeal: this is true, I haven't looked into it
asciilifeform: it is considerably safer to experiment on the machine than on your local bank teller or other live set of eyes.
asciilifeform: machine will accept or reject, but is unlikely to be programmed to rat you out (false alarms, terrible pr) and even if it were - has only a scarce idea who 'you' are (wearing your robber's mask.)
TheNewDeal: I would most definitely agree that
asciilifeform: you can try 1,000 variants until works.
asciilifeform: there was precedent, if i recall: a casino cheat in las vegas, knew exactly what a particular make of usd scanner wanted.
asciilifeform: caught, as one expects, the old-fashioned way - spotted by guard.
BingoBoingo: ATM requires fortress, news at 11
TheNewDeal: that seems risky
TheNewDeal: with an atm, aren't you usually depositing into a bank account ?
TheNewDeal: ;;nethash
gribble: 203975460.22
jurov: TheNewDeal what bank account?
TheNewDeal: If I go to an atm at a casino, and I want to withdraw, where do i withdraw from?
TheNewDeal: not sure how the guy was depositing bills. Maybe it spit out casino chips or something?
jurov: yes. and this btm accepts bills and spits out a slip with btc address or such
jurov: and the other way around
jurov: no bank involved
BingoBoingo: <TheNewDeal> If I go to an atm at a casino, and I want to withdraw, where do i withdraw from? << Not ATM at the casino, gambling machines
BingoBoingo: Casino is an interesting kind of fortress
cazalla: gaming machines are used in au to launder hundreds of millions apparently
asciilifeform: yes - it was: usd in, casino chips out.
cazalla: i wonder if fakes get fed into the machines or if companies like aristocrat have great detection?
asciilifeform: cazalla: read about how such cheats are normally caught.
asciilifeform: cazalla: a casino is an example of a controlled environment. no one comes remotely near a machine - a door, hell, a toilet - without being filmed from several angles
asciilifeform: and his path from the door, to machines, etc. and then out, and possibly to his car - all recorded.
asciilifeform: likewise, with casino, cheat has two basic options - win a little, but have to return many times - or win gigantic barrels, but then intense scrutiny.
cazalla: what they do here to clean the money is feed it in, have a couple spins, withdraw it from machine and it's deemed a win then
cazalla: apparently it's like half the revenue from memory
asciilifeform: unless i somehow misunderstand, btc atm that eats usd removes all of the element of risk from counterfeiting
asciilifeform: which is one more reason why mircea_popescu's prediction from earlier (that the 'saecular authorities' will not molest those who plunder or destroy btc atms) is likely to come true.
asciilifeform: the machines will be blamed for every faux benjamin that turns up, wherever.
cazalla: what's to stop you buying a robocoin, print up some fakes and start draining the machine seeing you're not the one providing the bitcoins it dispenses?
asciilifeform: wait - they actually franchise these ?
assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( )
jurov: cazalla afaik owner is responsible for cash management himself
cazalla: well they provide the liquidity from exchanges compared to say a lamassu where the owner provides the coins and it can go empty
jurov: they are not that foolhardy
mircea_popescu: <ThickAsThieves> must be a template cuz the logo sucks and doesnt match at all <<< looks like it.
jurov: but do they exchange btc for cash? i doubt that, i think owner has to bring the cash to bank and wire them
cazalla: why would you want cash though?
mircea_popescu: <jurov> til << this is the case in slovakia too. look around.
jurov: yes, but camera is not in the front of face
jurov: it's usually nearby of atm
mircea_popescu: this must be a compact design
cazalla: i guess you could always step a homeless guy through it and pay him for his time, handprint, ID etc
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> with machine - owner finds out, possibly weeks or months later, when he himself is prosecuted << there's really no prosecution. i've had fake bills in the common course of business multiple times all over. it happens.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> you can try 1,000 variants until works. << you can buy one and try safely.
asciilifeform: that also.
asciilifeform: this is how most 'pro' machine diddlers of all kinds roll, incidentally.
asciilifeform: what better than to saw it open and reverse at one's leisure.
jurov: from #monero:
jurov: <jurov> yea i spend 1.5euro/day to make 0.15 let's scale it up!
jurov: <smooth> that's a good margin actualy
mircea_popescu: !s "loss on every sale"
mircea_popescu: <cazalla> i guess you could always step a homeless guy << fun fact : police in timisoara started getting bonuses by total fine volume. total fine volume went up. total fine arrears went way up. city hall in hot water over it, turns out...
mircea_popescu: all the bums owed massive fines for all sorts of things.
mircea_popescu: romanian law is quite permissive : if he can't pay and has no income, you can convict the guy to community service.
mircea_popescu: if he doesn't show up... well... that's a fine.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in usa, never such a problem. they'd simply confiscate houses, cars, mattresses of money, until shortfall vanishes.
mircea_popescu: these were town cops, recently created, coed force, most of the girls ex hookers.
mircea_popescu: i actually got blown by policewoman off main square just for the pedigree.
mircea_popescu: so i leave there and come here, right ? guess what. the town is creating its own town police force, to escape from federal jurisdiction.
mircea_popescu: it's like a time threadmill.
cazalla: mircea_popescu, hilarious
mircea_popescu: it's something else, their uniform actually included heels.
mircea_popescu: the ro ones i mean.
jurov: we even have an euphemism "social worker" exactly for this
mircea_popescu: im all in favour, incidentally. what are the girls to do ?
asciilifeform pictures a future, arabian btc atm, with built-in hand chopper for those who trip some alarm or other.
mircea_popescu: nobody'd use it.
asciilifeform: nobody'd use it << who the hell wants to use today's, with its palm scanner ?
asciilifeform: almost as discouraging.
jurov: i'd prefer it'd accept teeth.. iirc mircea asserted they are very hard to fake
mircea_popescu: dude, you ever got blown ? palm scanner != hand chopper just like being sucked off != having your cock bit off.
mircea_popescu: palmformation wants to be free damnit.
jurov: actually needs not be cut off. just held fast by vacuum till reinforcements arrive
mircea_popescu: also, to encourage the nwo fighters : here in argentina, you can't have a signature certified by any notary unless you leave a thumbprint on the paper. they have little ink things and errything.
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mircea_popescu: 10:1 this and 13:1 that ThickAsThieves ? srsly nao.
asciilifeform: re: automatic punishers, obligatory:
asciilifeform: (that's -exactly- how i pictured it. and why herr kafka never gets credit for inventing dot-matrix printer, i'll never understand. this confounded me as a schoolboy.)
jurov: did you ask the teacher?
asciilifeform: what teacher.
jurov: o kafka was your extracurricular activity?
mircea_popescu: you were schoolboy in the lake ?
asciilifeform: beautiful comic, but missing the gag pad, which is why i even remembered about der strafkolonie - jurov's toothmark authenticator.
jurov: lol that would be good app for ipad
jurov: in line with personal weight
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asciilifeform: ''There are straps for the hands here, for the feet here, and for the throat here, to tie him in securely. At the head of the bed here, where the man, as I have mentioned, first lies face down, is this small protruding lump of felt, which can easily be adjusted so that it presses right into the man’s mouth. Its purpose is to prevent him screaming and biting his tongue to pieces. Of course, the man has to let t
asciilifeform: he felt in his mouth—otherwise the straps around his throat would break his neck.” “That’s cotton wool?” asked the Traveler and bent down. “Yes, it is,” said the Officer smiling,“feel it for yourself.”''
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mircea_popescu: space after url ftr.
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mircea_popescu: jurov btw that ro kid ever got in touch ?
jurov: what kid? i forgot
mircea_popescu: the one with the repackaged gentoo or what was it
mircea_popescu: yeah, gentoo
jurov: if he contacted me i'd likely remember
mircea_popescu: kids today are too shy.
jurov: clearly not beaten enough
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mircea_popescu: zing a zing ding ding ding
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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: hypnosis ?
BingoBoingo: Apple naming is retarding, what the fuck is up with a watch, watch edition
devthedev: Who knows? The device seems pretty feature rich though.
mircea_popescu: o, they launched a new isomething ?
BingoBoingo: Yeah, some sort of wrist screen. Three version. watch, watch sport edition, and watch watch edition
mircea_popescu: i think it's a star trek trope this, the magic watch
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: looks quite like their smallest 'ipod' product, but with straps on.
mircea_popescu: no wait. bond, was it ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It really does.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what waveform did you use ?
mircea_popescu: lol not my pic, and it looks like dc.
asciilifeform: banana jack colours can deceive.
mircea_popescu: true this.
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mircea_popescu: o btw, did i ever tell you how i illustrated the concept of current as a thing to bright young minds ?
asciilifeform: use square wave with no dc offset (or your partner will grumble, chemical burns from hcl)
asciilifeform: salt water is great for electric chair, where the action is over in minutes, but useless here. use the green gel that is sold for eeg machines.
asciilifeform: concept of current ?
asciilifeform: let's guess - explained via demonstration.
mircea_popescu: get a steppable transformer. wrap packing tin foil around dildo, insert. set transformer to low voltage, short over dildo-clit.
mircea_popescu: set transformer on high voltage, short idem.
mircea_popescu: the burn being the same in both cases, shows that current is current.
mircea_popescu: proceed to explain wattage, voltage, amperage.
asciilifeform: bad demo. meat is not an ideal resistive load.
mircea_popescu: so you only use it on feminist chicklets that think the cunt is an ideal material.
mircea_popescu: anyway. experimentally it's pretty close, and when coupled with the subjectivistor inside the subject's skull it works fine.
mircea_popescu: (ie, i didn't measure the effects, i inquired as to the effects)
asciilifeform used a constant-current amplifier
mircea_popescu: was this as part of brain plasticity experiments ?
asciilifeform: byproduct of different experiment.
assbot: Logged on 07-02-2014 18:15:28; asciilifeform: confession: at one point when i was younger, i did succumb to the temptation to replicate various soviet experiments and put current through my brain.
asciilifeform: had apparatus left over.
kakobrekla: <assbot> Logged on 07-02-2014 18:15:28; asciilifeform: confession: at one point when i was younger, i did succumb to the temptation to replicate various soviet experiments and put current through my brain. < looks like it worked wonders
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that's gotta be fake
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why ?
asciilifeform: what kind of meat propagates wave like solid block of sorbothane.
mircea_popescu: girlfat ?
mircea_popescu: isn't sorbothane based on studying female thighs anyway ?
asciilifeform showed to pet, who believes it's plausible
mircea_popescu: im pretty sure it's factual.
kakobrekla: asciilifeform any particular voltage / current one should aim for?
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: in which experiment.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla you're not seriously going to do this ?
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: if mircea_popescu's - why ask me. ask your playmates.
mircea_popescu: now listen here kako. i can live with the cardano taking forever. but bitbet gotta stay online.
kakobrekla: well ok i wont do it now that you pointed that out
kakobrekla: still curious about the values, ascii?
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: again, values for which. girlfat, or for stage 4 sleep?
kakobrekla: ah sorry i thought that got cleared out. the current through brain.
mircea_popescu: lampelina run honey. i'll keep him busy.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: for the latter, i never found a satisfactory setting where i could pronounce the old papers - replicated. but the usual idea is to set 100-200 Hz, square wave (some insist sinusoid instead), constant current (not constant voltage) output, and ramp up from zero.
kakobrekla: logged
mircea_popescu: anyone here know norman spinrad ?
kakobrekla: perhaps we even discussed this in ro but i forgot
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: used own replica of old soviet mask, anode on eyelids, cathode on occiput
mircea_popescu: i'd have imagined it'd be temple to temple
asciilifeform: nope. afaik that never worked.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Current through the temporal lobes alone likely has undesirable side effects
asciilifeform: americans, if i recall, tried ear-to-ear.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo like ?
asciilifeform: (there's a commercial product in usa with earclips, forget which.)
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, temporal lobe is where most of the electical dysfunctions happen in most forms of epilepsy.
mircea_popescu: but you can't give yourself epilepsy
mircea_popescu: hm. i guess if you stress a weak system it may come huh.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: actually, there's a way.
BingoBoingo: Called kindling effect
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i vaguely recall an experiment from the '70s where everyone who was placed in apparatus had seizure. from ordinary flash lamp - but not at the familiar 20hz which sets off known sufferers
BingoBoingo: Accidently yourself enough seizures, they'll start coming on their own.
mircea_popescu: pity one can't resolve vitus' dance by just putting current through to reset things
asciilifeform: but tied to eeg peaks of victim.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform see, that'd be much better interrogation technique.
asciilifeform read this many years ago, and wondered if anyone tried the obvious next step
asciilifeform: that is, record what pattern of flashes is necessary, for average victim, and play back
asciilifeform: Obligatory:
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mircea_popescu: holy shit.
mircea_popescu: apparently there was a case of a symptomatic rabies patient that survived.
mircea_popescu: ;;google milwaukee protocol
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mircea_popescu: "This was their part of town; the women flocked there each morning, twittering in their saris like bright alien canaries."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform twittering was a word ? who knew.
ThickAsThieves: <+mircea_popescu> 10:1 this and 13:1 that ThickAsThieves ? srsly nao. // is that the 10000btcusd bet odds vs the 31b diff bet odds?
ThickAsThieves: 10000btc seems much less likely imo
mircea_popescu: exactly.
mircea_popescu: and it's priced 10:1 which seems reasonable more or less.
ThickAsThieves: i bet Yes
ThickAsThieves: youre welcome whoever... maybe!
ThickAsThieves: so i'm playing with this 1BRCXE challenge
ThickAsThieves: where the fuck does the order book come from?
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ThickAsThieves: seems like it might just be a random market excercise and not tied to real market at all
ThickAsThieves: We won't allow placing buy-limit orders at 20% or more below the market price.
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asciilifeform: mega-lol >> << had no idea someone had an english translation of this.
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ThickAsThieves: "circuit-breaker measures"
mircea_popescu: weirdo arbitrary nonsense.
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asciilifeform never heard of a 'clinkle' before - and guesses that it might be a service which lets you nominate people for the clink.
BingoBoingo: It's payment fro smartphones, but by Sound!!!
BingoBoingo: Exactly, but it raised 30 million dollars
assbot: Logged on 29-08-2014 04:46:41; asciilifeform: mike church was ripped a new arse here, but he had a good piece on how such 'laundries' work
BingoBoingo: Indeed
BingoBoingo: Oh, apparently the brain electricity stuff for sleep et al is being commercialized
assbot: Cranial electrotherapy stimulation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: long ago.
BingoBoingo: Well, introduced into the US with approvals recently
kakobrekla: since we are still on a brain frying subject, is there any explanation to why 100-200hz is the shit
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: last i checked - none that had predictive power (i.e. worth bothering with.)
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: latest fashion is magnetically-induced currents.
asciilifeform: for good overview, see wassermann, epstein & ziemann - 'oxford handbook of transcranial stimulation'
kakobrekla: sounds like a beach read
asciilifeform: at this point there's probably a 'for dummies'
asciilifeform: the machines are now ubiquitous
asciilifeform: (helmholtz coil with plumbing for water - must actively cool - and a power source similar to what one might find in a large stroboscope.)
asciilifeform: i once set about building this one too - but life got in the way.
asciilifeform: if you want one - 'ebay.'
asciilifeform: re: 100hz - i do lean towards the soviet hypothesis that at least a third of the sleep cycle is a vestigial waste of time.
asciilifeform: but i was not able to replicate the famous result of going straight 'to the goods'
The20YearIRCloud: So shock therapy is old?
asciilifeform: 'shock therapy' is entirely different affair
asciilifeform: 10-100x the current.
asciilifeform: induced seizures.
asciilifeform: it, too, is still used. quite popular in usa, i'm told.
asciilifeform: now with anaesthetics, so no more picturesque screaming madman in straps
asciilifeform: just a fellow a few thousand $ poorer and with episodic memory loss.
TheNewDeal: ding ding ding
The20YearIRCloud: How is everyone?
TheNewDeal: grrrrrrrrreat
The20YearIRCloud: so how's the exchange doing?
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