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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22300 @ 0.00077256 = 17.2281 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20100 @ 0.00077136 = 15.5043 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15400 @ 0.00077299 = 11.904 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26270 @ 0.00077028 = 20.2353 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2200 @ 0.0007686 = 1.6909 BTC [-] {2}
cazalla: !up tpt_toolbox
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9729 @ 0.00077312 = 7.5217 BTC [+]
assbot: Those who cannot remember last week are condemned to repeat it | Preston Byrne
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11064 @ 0.00077312 = 8.5538 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2650 @ 0.0007732 = 2.049 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1500 @ 0.00077401 = 1.161 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14957 @ 0.00077401 = 11.5769 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25650 @ 0.0007765 = 19.9172 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3481 @ 0.0007745 = 2.696 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11777 @ 0.00077477 = 9.1245 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: CheckDavid +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
BingoBoingo: !up CheckDavid
CheckDavid: Thanks BingoBoingo
CheckDavid: No idea what happenes
CheckDavid: *happened
CheckDavid: Lost my wot level ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6577 @ 0.00077306 = 5.0844 BTC [-]
CheckDavid: BingoBoingo: I used to be able to voice
mircea_popescu: CheckDavid it happens
CheckDavid: Awe :(
CheckDavid: I wanted to ask what you think about
thestringpuller: ;;gettrust assbot CheckDavid
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask CheckDavid!uid14990@gateway/web/ Trust relationship from user assbot to user CheckDavid: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: never
thestringpuller: are you even in wot?
RagnarDanneskjol: re: - please don't
Azelphur: ;;ident CheckDavid
gribble: Nick 'CheckDavid', with hostmask 'CheckDavid!uid14990@gateway/web/', is identified as user 'CheckDavid', with GPG key id None, key fingerprint None, and bitcoin address 1Mhu1uch32kgZstHpJNnbo61soPRXLQrDE
Azelphur: ;;ratingsystem getrating CheckDavid
gribble: This user has not yet been rated. Currently authenticated from hostmask CheckDavid!uid14990@gateway/web/ .
Azelphur: CheckDavid: ^ guess that's why, someone might have unrated you
Azelphur: ;;rate CheckDavid 1 Worked with him for a little while, seems like a nice guy.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user CheckDavid has been recorded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25900 @ 0.00077414 = 20.0502 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: i had never heard of this secure whatevs
assbot: CheckDavid +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10950 @ 0.00077709 = 8.5091 BTC [+] {2}
ThickAsThieves: i do think US education is a major culprit (just read the Mike OCD article)
[]bot: Bet placed: 3 BTC for Yes on "BTC Difficulty over 31Bn before October" Odds: 92(Y):8(N) by coin, 89(Y):11(N) by weight. Total bet: 79.00227226 BTC. Current weight: 31,634.
ThickAsThieves: recall our conversation about schools beating into our heads "You can be anything if you really want it, President of the US even!"
BingoBoingo: !up CheckDavid
ThickAsThieves: now we have piles of ads convincing 30somethings to attend University of Phoenix
CheckDavid: Thanks Azelphur
CheckDavid: But I guess its still not enough to voice?
Azelphur: guess not
Azelphur: ;;gettrust assbot checkdavid
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask CheckDavid!uid14990@gateway/web/ Trust relationship from user assbot to user checkdavid: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: Mon Sep 8 08:31:15 2014
CheckDavid: Such hassle this wot thing lol
ThickAsThieves: another interesting phenomenon is US media hammering the concept of "eat fatty foods, not carbs"
assbot: #bitcoin-assets +m pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
ThickAsThieves: started as diet fads like Atkins and Paleo, but now it just feels downright progandist
ThickAsThieves: propagandist*
chetty: is that about carbs or gluten? asciilifeform
RagnarDanneskjol: well, there is something to the fatty propagandizing - brains are mostly fat
ThickAsThieves: i think it's more to do with consumer manipulation
RagnarDanneskjol: sure, that too
assbot: Air Castle blown away on beach (Katamari edit) - YouTube
chetty: I been curious for sure about the anti-gluten propagandising, havent heard the +fat much
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1550 @ 0.00077377 = 1.1993 BTC [-] {2}
ThickAsThieves: in my own estimation, the gluten thing is more of a phenomenon relating to health-enthusiasts fucking up their bodies and either exacerbating gluten intolerance, or misdiagnosing it as the problem, rather than the symptom
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves well, there are some advantages to fat over glucose.
ThickAsThieves: but i'm being a typical symbol-reading, word-menaing-guessing, god-worshipper in that
mircea_popescu: but it's not as simple as all that.
ThickAsThieves: (i dont worship god, just saying i'm wildly guessing)
mircea_popescu: nono, you said!
chetty: perhaps its god by some other names? like money? or earth or
BingoBoingo: The gluten thing is just because some members of the species don't have genetic compatibility with this "agriculture" thing yet...
assbot: Dietary fats: Know which types to choose - Mayo Clinic
ThickAsThieves: the media seem to make body weight the focus
ThickAsThieves: which is of course, appropriate on the surface
CheckDavid: Thanks RagnarDanneskjol
ThickAsThieves: US is fat as hell n all
nubbins`: exacerbating the gluten thing is the immense amount of refined sugars people consume in their bread/baked goods
nubbins`: oh, you had three honey croissants for breakfast? no fucking wonder you feel like shit
chetty: sweetened croissants should be illegal
nubbins`: "but they're so good"
chetty: ugh, I can not eat them, and they are the standard breakfast here :(
assbot: We do stuff.
nubbins`: i was reading an article recently about gluten actually
nubbins`: talked about these things called FODMAPS
nubbins`: "Instead, as RCS reported last week, FODMAPS are a far more likely cause of the gastrointestinal problems attributed to gluten intolerance."
nubbins`: "Coincidentally, some of the largest dietary sources of FODMAPs — specifically bread products — are removed when adopting a gluten-free diet"
nubbins`: protip: Budweiser beer is the only major-label brand available in Canada that does not contain gluten
chetty: I can't believe anybody still listens to the food police
nubbins`: i know several people who actually have celiac disease
nubbins`: if you don't have to ask "what brand of ketchup is this?" at the restaurant, you're not celiac
chetty: well thats different, its the nuts that dont have any actual reason ..
nubbins`: nod. there are so many
nubbins`: "i can't eat wheat"
nubbins`: bull fuckin shit
nubbins`: picking the croutons out of their salads
chetty: and then of course ask why celiac is much more common now than 50 years ago ..
nubbins`: shit modern diets, better detection? 8)
nubbins`: i kid
chetty: I saw a thing where they tested blood stored 50 years ago so its not better detection
nubbins`: lower standards for medical degrees ;D
nubbins`: honestly, i find it baffling the type of stuff people shove into their mouths
nubbins`: new roommate, younger fella. the only food he has in the house right now is pizza pops
chetty: I am NOT gonna ask wtf that is
kakobrekla: wait, no pizza tards?
nubbins`: oh, sorry, as i'm reading up on them, i realize it's canadian only
nubbins`: it's a pillsbury-brand pizza pocket
nubbins`: lotsa sodium benzoate, phenylalanine, all that good shit
nubbins`: the older i get, the more confused i get about humans and their determination to poison their bodies and the world around them as rapidly as possible
nubbins`: what's wrong with us?
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: phenylalanine in its levorotary form is actually nutritionally essential
chetty: were are all born with original sin :P
nubbins`: i know, i kid ;D
nubbins`: aspartame: not a neurotoxin
nubbins`: chetty: i was raised catholic, no need to tell me ;D
assbot: FODMAP - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
ThickAsThieves: well people like smoking too
ThickAsThieves: which has yet to show much health benefit
nubbins`: srsly, read the first paragraph of that FODMAPS article
xmj: ThickAsThieves: there are -some- rare health benefits to smoking.
nubbins`: and tell me if a slice of fuckin bread is the problem these people are having
ThickAsThieves: smoking helps you poop
ThickAsThieves: it has that at least
BingoBoingo: smoking prevents parkinsons
nubbins`: tat +1
chetty: I quit listening to the food police way back when they said grilled meat causes cancer
xmj: chetty: +++
nubbins`: was interested to know galactose was a FODMAP
ThickAsThieves: i'm interested to know something is called galactose
nubbins`: pascale gave herself lactose intolerance from binge cheese eating :/
ThickAsThieves: best sugar name ever
nubbins`: inorite?!?!
nubbins`: it's where lactose comes from :0
nubbins`: and galactus, destroyer of worlds
nubbins`: (batch)
nubbins`: *natch
nubbins`: anyway, interesting shit
nubbins`: she's taken to buying lactose-free cheese
ThickAsThieves: this conversation was so much more enjoyable without diablod3
nubbins`: they mix in the enzymes that digest latose during the manufacturing process
ThickAsThieves: there's a local vegan cheesemaker here that isnt bad
chetty: manufacturing cheese .... that just sounds wrong
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nubbins`: "Since lactose occurs mostly in milk, in most mammals, the production of lactase gradually decreases with maturity due to a lack of constant consumption."
nubbins`: ^ fodder for the "humans weren't meant to eat dairy" crowd
nubbins`: of course we were 8)
jurov: ;;ident smickles
gribble: Error: I am not seeing this user on IRC. If you want information about a registered gpg user, try the 'gpg info' command instead.
jurov: werd
jurov: !up smickles
jurov: ;;gpg info smickles
gribble: User 'smickles', with keyid EA62D7CEB2450C3F, fingerprint 96ACCA7C3B09EC61B0A6D7F9EA62D7CEB2450C3F, and bitcoin address 12NjnZTVeTJ3g5C7BqfS2aQ2rLkmwiqVz6, registered on Mon Jun 20 15:24:35 2011, last authed on Mon Jun 9 16:01:44 2014. . Currently not authenticated.
mircea_popescu: this goes for asciilifeform RagnarDanneskjol jurov wao
assbot: The perfect pitch pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
jurov: nanotube: ^^ smickles says he did auth
mircea_popescu: and of course anyone who likes to read, but the four are actually involved :D
assbot: Dads at One Direction concerts - Imgur
nubbins`: the face of sadness
nubbins`: it seems like whenever i visit trilema in chrome incognito mode, it resets my credits cookie
jurov: smickles refuses to auth in chan - warning, it's an impostor!
mircea_popescu: nubbins` kinda what incognito does no ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 10000 @ 0.00005483 = 0.5483 BTC [+] {3}
nubbins`: er well, i mean when i exit incognito mode and use a regular browser window again
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 10000 @ 0.00005488 = 0.5488 BTC [+]
nubbins`: i guess the incognito tab doesn't give up the existing cookie, site can't find it, sends one over... but i'm surprised that'd overwrite the existing cookie
mircea_popescu: i guess this is then a chrome bug actually.
mircea_popescu: it should session cookies or something
nubbins`: i'mma look into it further
mircea_popescu: there's probably some attack avenue against the incognito mode through this.
nubbins`: anything unusual about how trilema sets/fetches cookies?
mircea_popescu: not that i know of.
mircea_popescu: tis php.
RagnarDanneskjol: mircea_popescu - fascinating as always you human being!. think I'll need to read that twice at least and start learning some Rom
nanotube: jurov: if he authed, then left the channel, he gets unauthed.
mircea_popescu: nanotube meanwhile it turns out someone was impostoring
mircea_popescu: tried to claim the system dun work.
jurov: just pasted me fake gribble output and insisted "this is proof im authed"
nubbins`: classic -otc trick ;(
nubbins`: scammers gonna scam
nubbins`: ;;view 21372
gribble: #21372 Sun Aug 31 23:42:26 2014 nubbins` SELL 1.0 'What is Bitcoin?' silkscreened art print @ 45 USD (18x24", 5-color silkscreen on white Cougar acid-free paper, limited edition of 50 (only 8 left), shipping week of August 31,
nubbins`: ^ actually only 3 left now; hoping to get all outstanding packages mailed today
mircea_popescu: cool beanz.
nanotube: heh ic
nubbins`: meantime, what sorta rates do your uni kids offer? i've been doing a bitta research myself, seems $1/poster (plus printing) is average for traditional postering crews in large cities
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29800 @ 0.00077245 = 23.019 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: i have no idea, ima ask teh person in charge.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 9725 @ 0.00005488 = 0.5337 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24840 @ 0.000778 = 19.3255 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2019 @ 0.00077869 = 1.5722 BTC [+]
assbot: The perfect pitch pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10194 @ 0.00077173 = 7.867 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2918 @ 0.00077071 = 2.2489 BTC [-]
assbot: Bank clients of Middle Eastern descent want answers on closed accounts - LA Times
mircea_popescu: chetty o.i
mircea_popescu: it's becoming a sport by now huh
chetty: apparently
mircea_popescu: !up yona_
BingoBoingo: I didn’t say that, did I ? << Amazing how saving something makes everyone think you favor it.
mircea_popescu: ;;google billy mumphrey was a simple country boy
gribble: Seinfeld Scripts - The Doodle: <>; Billy Mumphrey | The Seinfeld Dictionary: <>; B | The Seinfeld Dictionary: <>
mod6: %tslb
atcbot: Time Since Last ATC Block: 0 hour(s), 18 minutes
mircea_popescu: that's a wonder.
nubbins`: i was walking through a parking lot last night and as i passed this tracksuit-wearing guy, he shouts "GO FUCK YOURSELF, YA SLUT" at his phone and then starts walking really closely behind me
nubbins`: for like 2 blocks!
mircea_popescu: did it make you horny ?
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20720 @ 0.00077051 = 15.965 BTC [-] {3}
nubbins`: unfortunately no
assbot: PayPal Voices - YouTube
ThickAsThieves: "we can spend bitcoin with a tap"
ThickAsThieves: "we have magic money"
Duffer1: if you play it backwards it says "kill your family"
ThickAsThieves: paypal be trollin
kakobrekla: and if you modulate it, you get "i am the great cornholio"
ThickAsThieves: get your D.BPAY while you can, before PayPal announces buyout!
nubbins`: the enunciation is a little bit weird around that part
ThickAsThieves: but the page looks legit
nubbins`: yeah, i can't think of anything else it'd be either
mircea_popescu: !t m d.bpay
assbot: Your actions are useless.
nubbins`: ;;google we don't believe in anything
gribble: Kanye West & Jay Z (Ft. Frank Ocean) - No Church in the Wild ...: <>; When Man Ceases to Worship God - The American Chesterton Society: <>; Myth: Atheists Believe In Nothing: Don't Atheists Care About Anything?: <>
assbot: The Big Lebowski - Parking / Nihilists scene - YouTube
nubbins`: also: you can rent full movies on youtube now? wat?
assbot: The Big Lebowski - YouTube
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 7.04942644 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 613 satoshi per share
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9250 @ 0.00077294 = 7.1497 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.40915124 BTC to 15`372 shares, 9167 satoshi per share
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 470.74, Best ask: 470.75, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 470.74, 24 hour volume: 10125.52697634, 24 hour low: 456.3, 24 hour high: 480.99, 24 hour vwap: 467.950837666
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 276459.33 in 1344 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -85.28
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 820 @ 0.00062192 = 0.51 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: More needs to be done to prevent moose collisions: fire chief - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News
nubbins`: (graphic pic)
rithm: ;;later tell mircea_popescu y u disturb my slumber
gribble: The operation succeeded.
punkman: teh lulz
nubbins`: !t h hif
assbot: [HAVELOCK:HIF] 1D: 0.00010290 / 0.0001029 / 0.00010290 (15 shares, 0.00154350 BTC), 7D: 0.00006400 / 8.524E-5 / 0.00010290 (1800 shares, 0.15343332 BTC), 30D: 0.00004757 / 6.809E-5 / 0.00010290 (16212 shares, 1.10386301 BTC)
nubbins`: punkman: do you want your poster rolled or flat-packed?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25400 @ 0.00077239 = 19.6187 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: nubbins`: what is the timeline on the shirts?
nubbins`: we were aiming for them to be in your hands within 3 weeks of payment, so ~09/20-ish
thestringpuller: and the poster?
nubbins`: shipping today/tomorrow
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23300 @ 0.0007723 = 17.9946 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7950 @ 0.00077144 = 6.1329 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: who is managing on havelock ?
nubbins`: havelock is
nubbins`: tat gave it up back in feb
nubbins`: fun fact, it's actually running through a coinbr acct
thestringpuller: havelock is rogue as shit
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12900 @ 0.00077118 = 9.9482 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6536 @ 0.00077112 = 5.04 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4650 @ 0.00076889 = 3.5753 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: hey, at least their HIF expenses are right on par
nubbins`: income is off by orders of magnitude, but you can't have it all
kakobrekla: on par with what
xmj: do you guys have an intro doc for working with gribble and assbot ?
kakobrekla: !help
kakobrekla: prolly needs some updating but most is true
xmj: thx
xmj: im trying to nag the guy behind to join us
xmj: and he'll need that howto :-)
assbot: first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki]
xmj: forwarded, thx
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28574 @ 0.0007726 = 22.0763 BTC [+] {2}
xmj: !up Rangerk
Rangerk: thx
xmj: there we go :-)
xmj: everyone, rangerk. rangerk, everyone. ;-)
Rangerk: Hello
Rangerk: Betting Blocks --->
Rangerk: Bet on the miners of future bitcoin blocks.
xmj: fluffypony: Rangerk would be the one behind
fluffypony: oh sweet
fluffypony: very cool
Rangerk: Already > 0.1 Btc on block #319777 :)
Rangerk: betting closes in 4.5 hours
Rangerk: Feedback is very welcome. We just launched.
Rangerk: xmj -- tell me about bitcoin assets plz.
kakobrekla: ;;topic
xmj: Rangerk: ben_vulpes introduced me to this one given similar interests
Rangerk: Seems mircea_popescu is active on your blog. :)
Rangerk: Oh, this is MPEX.
Rangerk: Duh.
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 469.79, vol: 14485.98789274 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 471.646, vol: 5877.9332 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 472.01, vol: 16021.46251536 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 475.247718, vol: 14510.01560000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 488.76711, vol: 41.88066936 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 482.55159, vol: 81.70229466 | Volume-weighted last average: 472.289189203
assbot: Reddit is a failed state | The Verge
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11321 @ 0.00076906 = 8.7065 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: Rangerk hm ?
mircea_popescu: rithm cuz what's the loan thing ?
mircea_popescu: <punkman> teh lulz << quite.
kakobrekla: !up Rangerk
punkman: Rangerk, website was a bit unclear, if block ends up in Other, do I lose?
jurov: If the miner hasn't been determined by the above methods, we roll the prize money over into a future race as a cherry bonus.
jurov: • What happens if the miner is known, but wasn't one of the betting options?
jurov: Same thing. We roll the prize money over into a future race as a cherry bonus.
jurov: punkman ^
mircea_popescu: isn't this kind-of vulnerable to miner collusion ?
mircea_popescu: i mean what's the advantage to rolling this dice as opposed to roling a proper, provably fair dice ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26300 @ 0.00077015 = 20.2549 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: CEO Yishan Wong finally addressed the controversy on Saturday by releasing a remarkably clueless manifesto. Reddit, he wrote, is "not just a company running a website where one can post links and discuss them, but the government of a new type of community." So, then, what type of government is Reddit? It's the kind any reasonable person would want to overthrow
mircea_popescu: ayup, pretty much lifted straight from mp pr.
jurov: lol how would the miners collude? if they could they already would...
mircea_popescu: course the verge is then taking it exactly the opposite way, but hey.
punkman: miner can bet after he finds the block, no?
mircea_popescu: jurov you realise this is purely declaratory ? i can publish blocks on any ip i want.
jurov: but it does not use IPs
mircea_popescu: so here, i found a block, you publish it and we split the pot.
mircea_popescu: that's collusion innit ?
punkman: why collude in this case
jurov: miner can sign the block with his signature
mircea_popescu: punkman the pot, i mean the betting pot.
jurov: it's not dependent on who publishes it
mircea_popescu: "here, sign this block i found"
mircea_popescu: "we split the pot"
punkman: mircea_popescu: yeah but why wouldn't the miner bet on himself
punkman: o never mind, got it
mircea_popescu: because the logical outcome is for all pool ops to contriburte some btc, all make the same bet on the same one guy
mircea_popescu: then give him the found blocks whoever finds them
mircea_popescu: but whether this attack is practical or not, or even theoretically feasible :
mircea_popescu: what is the advantage of a reimplementation of a dubious solution to a solved problem ?
jurov: if they can collude about mutually signing blocks, they can collude over much worse things
mircea_popescu: that's no defense.
jurov: okay, but since operator is not affected it's not a worry for him
jurov: like, the same can be said about bitbet's difficulty bets
jurov: and you don't give a fuck
mircea_popescu: how can the same be said ?
jurov: miners can collude for difficulty bet to come out a certai way
mircea_popescu: but then the difficulty would actually have to be that.
mircea_popescu: there's a difference between purely declaratory statements and actually measurable objective reality.
jurov: also, is there any miner to explain - is the signature part of work given to minions or it can be slapped on afterwards?
mircea_popescu: !up xe4l
jurov: apparently the pool is assigned using newly mined coins' address
jurov: which tx is part of merkle root
jurov: and thus hardwired once block is found
jurov: they would have to collude to divert newly minted coins to specific address beforehand
jurov: and everyone would see that
jurov: Rangerk you have no comment?
mircea_popescu: jurov if you can merge-mine for different chains, you can equally well merge-mine for alternative root addresses.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2948 @ 0.00055069 = 1.6234 BTC [-] {25}
jurov: i don't get this. changing "root" address will help how?
assbot: MasterCard Rolls Out Orwellian National ID Card -
jurov: still we're at point some OCD miner notices he's getting from work with root address destined for some other pool
BingoBoingo: !up Rangerk
mircea_popescu: chetty lol is this the us dept solution to nigerian scammers ?
jurov: so, i assert it is not "purely declaratory" but actual work the miners have to chew on
jurov: but.. i'm not miner and maybe i;m mistaken. that there is none in this channel makes me a bit sad.
chetty: miners are all on a beach somewhere
jurov: no theyre in closet
mircea_popescu: nobody mines anymoar (tm)
mircea_popescu: hey X-Rob you there ?
X-Rob: mircea_popescu: Indeed I am
mircea_popescu: so, could the pool ops so collude as described ?
X-Rob scrolls back
BingoBoingo: Scrolling up should be a sport
X-Rob: Ah.
X-Rob reads up on them
mircea_popescu: the contention is whether "Who found a block" has any substance to it past "we say so"
X-Rob: mircea_popescu: Well, that's an interesting question. Several pools mine to an explicitly well known address.
mircea_popescu: sure, but what of it.
X-Rob: so you can look at the block and know that, 100%, p2pool mined that block, for example
mircea_popescu: other than making people with a soft understanding of the protocol make wrong assumptions
mircea_popescu: well no, you don't actually know that.
X-Rob: However. There are a large number of pools where you can only guess. And 'because I say so' is about as much certainty as you're going to get.
X-Rob: mircea_popescu: Well, p2pool is a specific case, and I probably shouldn't have used it, because that's one of the ones you /can/ be 100% certain about.
mircea_popescu: ok, p2pool aside.
X-Rob: but that's only 1%-ish of the network
X-Rob: so, let's disregard that
X-Rob: and say.. eligius.
X-Rob: There are two things that you can 'know' about a block. The destination of its mined coins, and the coinbase.
X-Rob: Both of those together can give you a good indication of who mined the block. If the destination of the coins is to a known pool address, then that pool ended up with the coins.
mircea_popescu: but the fact that the pool ended up with the coins is no sort of prof the pool mined the block.
X-Rob: Wether or not they MINED the coins is a different question, but I can't see any advantage in pool C mining coins for pool B
mircea_popescu: it's prima facie evidence, and absent any actual economic incentive to lie it may stand as acceptable "proof"
mircea_popescu: given actual economic incentive to lie however, it's worthless.
BingoBoingo: Well, depends on how big the pot on the who mines block X bet gets
mircea_popescu: X-Rob well the advantage would be that they win a bet, get more btc.
X-Rob: This would only be an issue in a closed pool, however.
X-Rob: Why would I hash privately and mine at pool C, whjen I can just hash at pool B to start with?
atcbot: No data returned from
atcbot: [PityThePool Hashrate]: 830.74 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.44 TH/s
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 276948.13 in 1338 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -85.25
X-Rob: I'll earn my PPLNS, plus I'll win the bet.
mircea_popescu: and spare me with the "miners will know", there have been three times in history, including today and recently, pools which split their rewards across to pretend like they don't have 50% of the hash rate
X-Rob: which is more
mircea_popescu: and the miners never knew.
mircea_popescu: so no, they wouldn't "know" jack shit on a stick
assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( )
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 205 Ask: 221 Last Price: 221 24h-Vol: 2k High: 221 Low: 221 VWAP: 221
atcbot: 8k@260 2k@245 32k@221 | 12k@205 85k@198 6k@194
punkman: "Still as a computer scientist I need an answer to which system I will teach in my class next week. Command-line PGP ?!?"
assbot: Enigmail / Forum / Enigmail Support:WARNING: Enigmail 1.7 *completely* *broken*
punkman: you were gonna teach them Enigmail? Fuck you.
BingoBoingo: Enigmail used to just work, but I dun trust the new "Ease of Use" update.
X-Rob: My idea is, if I had bet on pool B mining block, and I controlled access to hardware that would bias pool B to mine the block, why wouldn't I just mine at pool B? I would win the bet -and- I would earn whatever percentage of the block the hardware earned, which would probably be more than 25% of the block reward.
X-Rob: But, let's assume that the bet is massive. Say, a million USD.
mircea_popescu: <punkman> you were gonna teach them Enigmail? Fuck you. <<< word.
X-Rob: A sum large enough to tempt even the most honest of pool operators.
mircea_popescu: yes command line pgp. who is this fuckwit.
mircea_popescu: X-Rob because you're not you. you're the pool op, who has to make a buck, and who is friends with the other pool ops.
X-Rob: There would be several options. The simplest would be to /still/ mine at Pool B with the hashrate of the other pools
X-Rob: But, woe, your hashrate didn't mine that block. p2pool got it.
X-Rob: You still have a massive percentage of the hashrate of the entire btc network.
X-Rob: Time to orphan blocks.
X-Rob: So.
X-Rob: tl;dr: It's possible, but unlikely for less than say 50 * block reward
mircea_popescu: unless the method we describe in theory is actually implementable cheaper than we estimate, of course.
X-Rob: Everyone's a whore. It's just the price that varies.
mircea_popescu: nah, some girls do it for free.
X-Rob: I saw an amusing comment on reddit yesterday, on a photo of someone climbing a massive radio tower. They said 'You couldn't pay me enough to do that', and someone responded with '72.6 billion dollars. Per hour'.
X-Rob: So. Yes. Turns out you COULD pay him enough to do that.
X-Rob: But if I was to be offered say... 10* block reward to get block 1234 mined by pool B, I'd probably take that bet.
BingoBoingo: I think the price for a lot of pool ops would be 25.01 to 25.03 BTC
jurov: how many other pools you'd need to collude?
mircea_popescu: betting is an odds game. if you win 1% more than you lose, but you can rely on that 1%, you may cycle thousands of btc for a profit that well exceeds say coinbase's
BingoBoingo: !up Rangerk
mircea_popescu: so #eulora just succeeded in an infrastructure upgrade, taking crystal space from 38 something to 40 something. this is a major tech victory.
BingoBoingo: << Iranian wtf distro team
assbot: Jabir Project | Jabir Technologies Official Blog
mircea_popescu: anyone know what fresias are ?
jurov: flowers
mircea_popescu: yup. so little kiosk downstairs has them, two dozen for 10 pesos.
X-Rob: BingoBoingo: The issue is not having the pool owner say 'Yes, I found block 1234', it's other people going 'Uh, actually, no, I found block 1234, here, it's addressed to me, here's me signing a transaction'
mircea_popescu: i just bought a bucket, came to about five bux
X-Rob: So you'd need to ACTUALLY have the pool find a block, or, as I said earlier, have pool C find the block for pool B, but that's economically foolish.
BingoBoingo: X-Rob: Right, but you have to realize how much a casino can came at 1 or 2 percent house edge over time.
X-Rob: BingoBoingo: I'm talking more about the technical issues of claiming a block
X-Rob: And lying about who found it.
jurov: i understood mp's situation as some pool owners mining together so that one of them will claim the blocks, and betting accordingly
BingoBoingo: X-Rob: Right, but if betting we are talking about a set of any particular blocks.
jurov: then, house will actually profit from the volume
X-Rob: jurov: That's... quite likely.
jurov: only the other bettors may have a problem
BingoBoingo: Both the house and pool operators could profit
BingoBoingo: This is a people problem and a trust problem.
jurov: the question is, can/will miners detect something untoward here?
X-Rob: Can they? Possibly. Will they? Amazingly unlikely.
X-Rob: There is a stratum command 'gettransactions'
mircea_popescu: yeah i wouldn't bet on that.
X-Rob: that your miner can use to ask for the list of transactions you're mining against, and check them against the merkle hash
X-Rob: However: It's only supported by eligius, as every other pool hates it.
X-Rob: And no-one has actually written anything useful for it.
BingoBoingo: X-Rob: Is this the Get block template thing?
X-Rob: GetBlockTemplate is /better/, and you have more control over it, as a miner, but honestly, statistically, no-one cares.
X-Rob: BingoBoingo: GBT is another protocol.
mircea_popescu: X-Rob and then, the "community" derps all about how bad it is that they're getting squeezed out by the large farms.
X-Rob: mircea_popescu: the problem is, it's not that people don't care, is that' they don't want to learn. They go 'magic internet money', and that's pretty much it.
mircea_popescu: right. which is why they SHOULD be squeezed out.
X-Rob: 'I'm going to buy 10 S3's and set them up!'
mircea_popescu: no coutnry for lazy stupid men.
thestringpuller: is hanbot a bot?
hanbot: not bot.
mircea_popescu: only metaphorically.
jurov: thestringpuller this is her blog:
assbot: The Whet | a place for appetites
X-Rob: heh
BingoBoingo: Only a bot in the way MP routinely turns us all into bots
mircea_popescu: the blogbot!
jurov: i don't think bot can write this
thestringpuller: ah. da semall-a-scope!
thestringpuller: smell-a-scope*
jurov: ;;smell thestringpuller
gribble: Error: "smell" is not a valid command.
hanbot: lol
X-Rob: +1 for futurama quote, thestringpuller
assbot: Viata grea a blogerului incepator pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
thestringpuller: good news everyone I have found a way to smell people on the internet
mircea_popescu: 1. one drop acid on sugar cube ?
jurov: *acetic acid
X-Rob: So, taking a step back, and answering the big question 'what is stopping pool owners colluding to ensure pool B mines block 1234?' -- The answer is 'nothing'. And to expand on that, 'Nothing, and it's unlikely that someone would even notice, as long as the miners keep getting their pennies'
mircea_popescu: ty. ever been expert witness in legal proceedings before ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23650 @ 0.00076983 = 18.2065 BTC [-] {2}
X-Rob: Yeah, twice. I used to work in InfoSec at
thestringpuller: ;;google law and order
gribble: Law & Order | NBC: <>; Law & Order - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <>; Law & Order (TV Series 1990–2010) - IMDb: <>
mircea_popescu: cool beanz.
BingoBoingo: ;;rated X-Rob
gribble: You have not yet rated user X-Rob
BingoBoingo: ;;rate X-Rob 2 Mines, testifies
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 2 for user X-Rob has been recorded.
mircea_popescu: There was a young girl of Natchez who chanced to be born with two snatches.Now and again she'd say "Shit! I'd so give either tit for a man with equipment that matches."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2876 @ 0.00077294 = 2.223 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6314 @ 0.00077359 = 4.8844 BTC [+]
X-Rob: BingoBoingo: Thanks, but I'm actually 'xrobau' on gribble 8-)
X-Rob: ;;ident
gribble: Nick 'X-Rob', with hostmask 'X-Rob!sid14615@gateway/web/', is not identified.
X-Rob: oh, wups.
X-Rob: ;;ident
gribble: CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'X-Rob', with hostmask 'X-Rob!sid14615@gateway/web/', is identified as user 'xrobau', with GPG key id None, key fingerprint None, and bitcoin address 1F1pPNy6X86rUSKLqZAdsa7dSMoRy4KobG
X-Rob: yay
BingoBoingo: ;;unrate X-Rob
gribble: Successfully removed your rating for X-Rob.
BingoBoingo: ;;rated xrobau
gribble: You rated user xrobau on Sun Aug 17 20:38:19 2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: Going to point his hash, issues corrections.
X-Rob: My hash is pointy
BingoBoingo: What hash isn't
assbot: Bitcoin open source implementation of P2P currency - P2P Foundation
RagnarDanneskjol: bottom of page
mircea_popescu: who the fuck are these people.
mircea_popescu: "Thank you for this clarification Mr. Nakamoto. It has been an honor to be labeled by my friends as "Satoshi's Drunk Uncle" and it's a moniker I'll wear proudly until the day I retire from Crypto. The Goldcoin (GLD) developers truly admire your work and strive to continue improving upon its design as a tribute to your unparallelled genius. Your admirer and relative in spirit, MicroGuy."
mircea_popescu: really ?
mircea_popescu: With so many interested persons checking in here, I believe this would be a good time to again share Chris Cook's brief, simple and correct summation of the problem with bitcoin, from http://blablabla
mircea_popescu: "we've got nothing but our desire to matter in spite of the void we stand for. and there's A LOT of us."
mircea_popescu: the internet is practically fucking gehenna.
RagnarDanneskjol: well, I was derpish enough to solicit him for recruitment. so I'm not much better than those creeps. I did get some very interesting encrypted respnses tho
mircea_popescu: are you the guy with "three weeks" ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1878 @ 0.00077359 = 1.4528 BTC [+]
RagnarDanneskjol: the only recruiter there. posted back in march
mircea_popescu: have dev spend a week checking out and streamlining trilema code, obtain clear results, various bottlenecks resolved, lots of optimisation that should result in about 30-40% less load.
mircea_popescu: watch the load on the server excitedly as it increase slightly over a week or two as a result.
mircea_popescu: because why the fuck not.
mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol i was talking about myself :p
mircea_popescu: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 319757 | Current Difficulty: 2.7428630902257874E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 320543 | Next Difficulty In: 786 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 5 days, 4 hours, 6 minutes, and 18 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 29374054561.2 | Estimated Percent Change: 7.09268
assbot: Theo de Raadt (ruBSD 2013) - YouTube
assbot: Format Document
assbot: is compromised
BingoBoingo: And this is why the "killer app" for GPG is signatures
assbot: Bitcoin |
Azelphur: hehe
BingoBoingo: I'll take it this implies Hal prolly was Satoshi after all.
assbot: Henning Brauer (ruBSD 2013) - YouTube
X-Rob: ;;genrate 1000000
gribble: The expected generation output, at 1000000.0 Mhps, given difficulty of 27428630902.3, is 0.0183350936553 BTC per day and 0.000763962235639 BTC per hour.
X-Rob: ;;genrate 1000
gribble: The expected generation output, at 1000.0 Mhps, given difficulty of 27428630902.3, is 1.83350936553e-05 BTC per day and 7.63962235639e-07 BTC per hour.
X-Rob: even
X-Rob: bah,
X-Rob: ;;genrate 10000
gribble: The expected generation output, at 10000.0 Mhps, given difficulty of 27428630902.3, is 0.000183350936553 BTC per day and 7.63962235639e-06 BTC per hour.
X-Rob: ok, so, 18.
BingoBoingo: ;;tickler
gribble: Error: "tickler" is not a valid command.
BingoBoingo: Why no tickler?
BingoBoingo: !tickle fluffypony
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> so #eulora just succeeded in an infrastructure upgrade, taking crystal space from 38 something to 40 something. this is a major tech victory. << nice!!
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell jborkl No words outside of the metalanguage can accurately describe how much I want to de-shit your blog's look
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: Also the satoshi email compromise in a wild speculative hypothesis hopefully is the death knell for any last gasps of third party authority on the matter of identity
assbot: Bitcoin / Mailing Lists
BingoBoingo: Oh, Satoshi hack day seems like such a splendid day
BingoBoingo: 'This satoshi email hack simple means the Autum drama season has begun.
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justusranvier: Why is gmaxwell so interested in making bitcoin-security private again? What's in those 240 emails they don't want anyone to seel?
BingoBoingo: Excellent question justusranvier
BingoBoingo: Better US treasury exit address: 1LvCuntsJyFFQsLuJhBXBPokbQa7SAyMr4
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16950 @ 0.00077468 = 13.1308 BTC [+] {3}
asciilifeform doesn't grasp why the supposed satoshi thing is exciting
asciilifeform: no evidence that, e.g., loch ness monster.
kakobrekla: same reason yellow press is still around.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Because if 500 wanna be satoshi trolls control satoshi email, but not keys. Myth-Man becomes Myth
thestringpuller: lol scammers be scammin
justusranvier: Maybe the reason they are unhappy about bitcoin-security being public is because it reveals there's an unfixed memory leak in bitcoind right now.
asciilifeform: reason... unfixed << or this -
assbot: pieceofshit -
asciilifeform: !s msghand
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 205 Ask: 221 Last Price: 221 24h-Vol: 0k High: 221 Low: 221 VWAP: 221
BingoBoingo: You'd think this news would get people diversifying into Altcoin
asciilifeform: of all the things that have been written about 'satoshi' - not one is simultaneously interesting and provable.
BingoBoingo: Indeed
artifexd: !s satoshi compromised
mircea_popescu: <justusranvier> Maybe the reason they are unhappy about bitcoin-security being public is because it reveals there's an unfixed memory leak in bitcoind right now. << this needed like revealing and anything
mircea_popescu: why, because literally nobody runs the code anymore or what
assbot: Mum Tries Out TempleOS 1.06 (2013) - YouTube
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22307 @ 0.00077334 = 17.2509 BTC [-] {2}
justusranvier: I still run bitcoind because it's the only way to make Armory work.
justusranvier: I keep it heavily sandboxed into a virtual machine though
X-Rob: mircea_popescu: btw, thank you.
mircea_popescu: dude look at a google page if you search bitcoin mining
BingoBoingo: Electrum seems to do most of the Armory stuff without the part where it is such obvious shit.
mircea_popescu: all these schmucks have fiat to spend on outbidding each other on google ? and lemme guess, they're all first best largest ?
justusranvier: BingoBoingo: Electrum's GUI for offline transaction signing sucks, and by default it uses other people's Electrum servers which means you have no privacy.
BingoBoingo: justusranvier: But a private electrum server is so easy, and less disk space than Armory
mircea_popescu: mostly "hosted bitcoin mining", ie, buy a dumb bitcoin short.
BingoBoingo: justusranvier: Also Electrum has such powerful console
assbot: Interesting, got another forwarded email from "satoshi", from 2011 - indicates this was a hijacked account, not expired and re-registered.
justusranvier: BingoBoingo: Don't care about disk space. I'll switch cold storage clients once btcgui (from btcd) is out of alpha
mircea_popescu: look at that, #bitaffnet
BingoBoingo: justusranvier: Disk space in many cases is a stupid worry, but... Who knows how it will be in 5 years
justusranvier: I won't be using bitcoind/Armory in 5 years
BingoBoingo: Eh, in 5 years I might be wetware
mircea_popescu: i've been using the same wordpress for trilema for 6 years now.
mircea_popescu: i have boxes still running the same shit a decade later.
mircea_popescu: software that's worth changing ain't worth running in the first place.
BingoBoingo: I'm still looking for the right old WordPress version to chop on
mircea_popescu: 2.something, prolly.
BingoBoingo: Yeah, I'm narrowing down to 1.8.x to 3.0.x
mircea_popescu: << check out this wonder, kid wants to mine, his miner is software.
assbot: dpaste: 206JR1H
mircea_popescu: you're gonna troll them now aren't you.
mircea_popescu: kay well, enough excitement for one day. laters.
TheNewDeal: ;;nethash
gribble: 215156605.763
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 276685.59 in 1334 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -85.27
BingoBoingo: !up strtp`fndr
strtp`fndr: thanks, BingoBoingo (nothing to say).
BingoBoingo: Problems of using Plaster and spittle as structural materials << because remember, Ray Lewis Kills
assbot: Ray Lewis: "There's No Comparison Between Me And Ray Rice"
TheNewDeal: has any numbnut admitted fault to the btc/eur fiasco on btce last night?
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 462.77, Best ask: 464.27, Bid-ask spread: 1.50000, Last trade: 464.28, 24 hour volume: 13262.21280878, 24 hour low: 456.3, 24 hour high: 478.39, 24 hour vwap: 468.219193838
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.18397142 = 1.2878 BTC [+] {3}
TheNewDeal: !up ausbitbank
TheNewDeal: lets see how this goes
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.1882997 = 0.5649 BTC [+] {3}
Duffer1: ni hao
asciilifeform: ling-ch'ih.
kakobrekla: to prospective advertisers/spammers, one can no longer buy van ad on bitbet. we are back to classic rotator.
kakobrekla: talk to ben for refunds :)
BingoBoingo: !up maclane
kakobrekla: hey, nothing i can do.
TheNewDeal: lol what?
TheNewDeal: how can you claim that you can do nothing?
TheNewDeal: don't you own the site?
BingoBoingo: What did the fox quit?
assbot: Ylvis - The Fox (What Does The Fox Say?) [Official music video HD] - YouTube
kakobrekla: BingoBoingo thats the word.
maclane: hey BingoBoingo! Good to be here
BingoBoingo: Hello maclane, how are the Nakatomi TOwers?
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Indeed. I'v always heard the song as what the fuck's sake.
TheNewDeal: kako, how long does it take your mods to review a bet?
maclane: hard, very hard. ppl died
BingoBoingo: Damn maclane
kakobrekla: TheNewDeal see backlog and estimate
TheNewDeal: whereabouts?
assbot: BitBet Propositions
TheNewDeal: well I knew that
TheNewDeal: where's the estimate?
kakobrekla: make one?
TheNewDeal: gotcha
BingoBoingo: !up Luke-Jr
BingoBoingo: !up jespern
BingoBoingo: Hello jespern
TheNewDeal: do you know these folks? or just in an uppity mood?
BingoBoingo: Uppity mood
BingoBoingo: Job interview Wednesday
BingoBoingo: So flexing the lordship nao
jespern: hi BingoBoingo
BingoBoingo: Hello jespern
BingoBoingo: Whachu sellin?
jespern: not selling.
BingoBoingo: Ah, lurkin?
jespern: something like that. :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3927 @ 0.0007729 = 3.0352 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 467.37, vol: 13199.57056086 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 467.6, vol: 4753.48444 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 466.5, vol: 13596.18081924 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 470.41637, vol: 16642.41990000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 488.76711, vol: 41.13743715 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 482.8125, vol: 62.18825337 | Volume-weighted last average: 468.235600441
TheNewDeal: !up mthreat
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