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mircea_popescu: but you're familiar enough with my thinking to be aware how dimly i view this proposition that kids should be encouraged to "guess" what "the words mean in context" rather than look it up
decimation: ;;ud feminine
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=feminine | Feminine means "What pertains to a woman". There are no qualifications. Whatever a woman does is feminine, because they are a woman, and they are doing ...
mircea_popescu: hehe well yeah, here's the problem : nobody;'s written the trilema dictionary yet, and the author itself feels unequal to the task of defining the feminine, which is why i passed above.
mircea_popescu: which means you're quite stuck. but perhaps if you had a question or some statement that could be tested or something ?
mircea_popescu: ie, more context of what you plan to use that definition for.
decimation: I guess I was thinking about where the surveillance state fell on the urban-rural axis - it seems to me that it is ultra-urban (Roman). While it might not be able to process infinite information, what if the level of information it could process is 'good enough' to turn the entire world into Rome?
mircea_popescu: i think this may be a flaw of modelling. consider this point : one of the ways nero got a bad reputation was through going out at night and assaulting random people in the street.
mircea_popescu: this was predicated on them not knowing who he was, and furthermore, on him not knowing who they were.
mircea_popescu: doesn't this much unknowing throw a hole in your rome model ?
mircea_popescu: (he once or twice got beat up pretty bad on account of it, too)
BingoBoingo: Well in contrast Julius spent months in pirate captivity threatening them with crucifiction and managed to live to see his ransom arrive so he could carry out the threat
mircea_popescu: for that matter, rome did not have income tax, or consumption tax. it had a capitation, and some trade licensing fees.
decimation: Yeah I do see how that throws a wrench in the model. Here's a real-world example: http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2014/08/09/obama-and-new-england-aviation-businesses-start-their-vacation/ << greenspun details how Obama travels with an enormous entourage, which usg can't afford - this fact doesn't occur to anyone 'in the loop'
assbot: Philip Greenspun's Weblog » Obama and New England aviation businesses start their vacation
mircea_popescu: i have no idea why people keep thinking of it in terms of a sort of older us without tablets. it's so reactionary in fact it'd put medieval england to shame.
mircea_popescu: decimation the point is valid, and people with a clue ocasionaly make it
BingoBoingo: Julius Ceasar would make the redditard's case for waiting until the time comes, if only they knew of him
mircea_popescu: (such as, the worst thing a contemporary president can do for a disaster area ? travel there.)
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo oh but i am aware. and the reason i wake up so chipper & cheerful i nthe mornings is quite a large pile of this, where the oppressed have the key to their freedom in their hand and somehow omitted to going to school the day its use was taught.
decimation: the guys 'in the loop' with all of this supposed knowledge apparently can't differentiate between luxury resorts in Massachusetts and a third-world hellhole
nubbins`: nice to meet your disaster, here's 10 tons of co2
nubbins`: or "plant air"
mircea_popescu: nubbins` that's not it. a buncha fuctards have to be hosted somewhere, and they don't carry tents to camp in.
mircea_popescu: and a bunch is like 1k people by now.
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: What are your thoughts on archival inks?
nubbins`: ah, care to direct me a bit more than that?
mircea_popescu: no nubbins` you gotta give the long form abofe!
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Something that pairs well with the lifespan of cotton fiber paper.
BingoBoingo: Looking for something that might beat the old standard of India Ink, but as far as I know that is the state of the art
assbot: Air Force blames crew for C-5 crash | The News Journal | delawareonline.com
nubbins`: india ink is pretty solid, as long as it's marked as archival quality
nubbins`: pascale is using some sort of watercolor pastes these days that come in impossibly small tubes, i'll check them out next time i'm upstairs
BingoBoingo: Interesting
decimation: nubbins`: are you going to use acid-free paper?
nubbins`: decimation, natch
nubbins`: BingoBoingo, winsor & newton is the brand
BingoBoingo honestly doesn't care much about acidity of paper, good stuff gets permethrin, capscaisin, and nystatin anyway
asciilifeform recalls thread on hanbot's site re: smelling of books & shudders
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah when I read your comment it brought to mind my youth: my friend's homes each had a different smell which struck me as I entered
decimation: usually a bad one if they had pets
asciilifeform: ah see, the comment wasn't about smells in the usual sense
asciilifeform: as in, things an adult can actually reliably smell.
mircea_popescu: supposedly this is the most striking quality of a functioning harem.
mircea_popescu: the variety of scent.
asciilifeform: decimation: so it wasn't a matter of what kind of animal there was the dung of
decimation: no, it was something more - including all the clean supplies, carpets, foods, habits
asciilifeform: this was the kind of smell that varied from room to room in a house.
mircea_popescu: pets do have a print, for sure.
asciilifeform gives up on trying to describe it because it was not attributable to any familiar object like shit, piss, food, carbol, etc.
mircea_popescu: never give up.
asciilifeform: handiest way to answer this question is build the amp & show firsthand.
asciilifeform: one day.
decimation: hehe perhaps after a rich prince has funded your secure terminal
asciilifeform: re: story with airplanes: i once saw something quite like this in life. was in wash., d.c., and an entire sixteen or so blocks were barricaded off, no one knew why. some days later, newspapers triumphantly described dick cheney's dinner at a certain restaurant in middle of said place.
asciilifeform: these folks actually picture themselves as 'chinese emperors', with 'forbidden city' conjured up anywhere they like.
asciilifeform: city police, for the duration, becomes their private army, etc.
decimation: which would be one thing if they were the doge of venice
decimation: but these guys also conjure the salaries for all of their minions out of thin air
asciilifeform: the other pertinent 'psychiatric' observation here is that the waste decried in the airplane piece is - mandatory. consider - in savage tribe where, e.g, hats are worm, chieftain might have longest hat. or he might get the choicest slice of long pig, whichever. in 'consumption' tribe - modern usa - what badge of rank for royalty?
asciilifeform: one ought to be surprised they don't burn the airplane on the public square every time.
decimation: yeah that's a good point
asciilifeform: this kind of thing can be relied on to carry on - until can't
decimation: it's an elaborate cargo-cult of security with real humans acting as the 'cargo plane'
decimation: and even though the president has very little personal authority his underlings are more than happy to throw this security party because they each get a part
asciilifeform: don't forget the machines and their vendors. various parts with high-threes or low-fours 'MTBF', periodic mandatory maintenance, etc. - churn inventory.
decimation: hehe yeah. as one commentator put it (on greenspun's site): "I doubt that Obama (or Bush in his day) even thinks about what kind of travel arrangements are being made on his behalf. It’s the lackeys around them who like to be part of a grand spectacle, compounded by unfettered risk aversion in the federal and MA security apparatus."
asciilifeform: people like to laugh at 'golden toilet' - but the latter is potentially heirloom item, will show no detectable wear for a thousand years
asciilifeform: american 'golden toilets' tend to fall into rust if you forget them in a closet for a year.
mircea_popescu: <decimation> and even though the president has very little personal authority his underlings are more than happy to throw this security party because they each get a part << quite.
decimation: asciilifeform: but the trouble is that instead of conjuring actual heirloom objects, the usg method is to piss away the money on 'airlifting' an SUV from DC to New England
mircea_popescu: if i were president i'd just walk there.
decimation: as if you couldn't just drive there in 4 hours
decimation: Or load up on any of 100000 trucks who move such cars as a trade (or trains)
mircea_popescu: said no roman emperor after caracalla, for the very reason that made charlemagne great : he was nothing much outside of the chief of the guards.
asciilifeform: u.s. presidential car is an infamous laughing-stock - broke down recently in england (?) and they had one hell of a time finding a shop that would attempt repair
asciilifeform: (and, presumably, properly 'aryan')
mircea_popescu: meanwhile over here, i ran into a chamber minority leader (they have like six) in a coffee shop by the courthouse.
decimation: supposedly the constitution forbids forcing citizens to quarter troops, but apparently giving up their livelihoods and ruining their vacations so usg can have a security part is 'ok for them'
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> don't forget the machines and their vendors. various parts with high-threes or low-fours 'MTBF', periodic mandatory maintenance, etc. - churn inventory. <<< would seem to contradict asciilifeform> u.s. presidential car is an infamous laughing-stock - broke down recently in england (?) and they had one hell of a time finding a shop that would attempt repair
mircea_popescu: these can't both be the case.
asciilifeform: sure it can.
decimation: the mtbf numbers are all theoretical
asciilifeform: they neglected to bring 'lockheed' - or whoever normally diddles that machine - along for the ride.
mircea_popescu: decimation point being the vultures in question'd have made good money out of it.
mircea_popescu: that far huh ?
asciilifeform: if i recall, it was eventually flown (!) back for repairs.
mircea_popescu: decimation re heirloom items. anyone know who cato porcius was, and why he got that name ?
asciilifeform: other detail was that it was done in by a ragged bit of cement on road.
asciilifeform: (broke axle, if i remember)
asciilifeform: and this, with 'world's best armour' etc.
decimation: I only know of Cato the Elder
decimation: oh, same guy
mircea_popescu: he was a censor, and as a censor he had the authority to forbid luxury expenditures. which he did, by forbiding some types of textile, which were very expensive, all imported, and wore quickly.
mircea_popescu: the women - which, by that time, were mostly prostitutes - all hated him for it,
mircea_popescu: and what did they do ? they went to reddit to call him names!
mircea_popescu: all of it - quite feminine :)
decimation: the reddit of the time being the stall of some brother or something?
decimation: s/brother/ brothel/
mircea_popescu: well they had these bed-parties
mircea_popescu: (they didn't sit around the table. they... lay there)
BingoBoingo: !up ThickAsThieves
decimation: When I think of security paranoia among US leaders it reminds me of this story in the Daily Mail: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2049430/Royal-Navy-turn-guns-pointing-Michelle-Obamas-hotel-room-around.html
assbot: Royal Navy turn guns pointing at Michelle Obama's hotel room around | Mail Online
asciilifeform: decimation: lol, what a 'cruiser aurora' that would've been.
decimation: asciilifeform: here's another presidential limo lol http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-13507338
assbot: BBC News - Obama's Beast 'did not get stuck' on Dublin ramp
decimation: those cursed sailors on Kronstadt caused a heap of trouble for the whole world
BingoBoingo: Oh the newest trilema explains both Mac OS love and OSX hate
mircea_popescu: how so ?
assbot: Domain Suspension
decimation: I read it as a parable about GPG usability
mircea_popescu: but anyway, here's a rfc. in re this bet : http://bitbet.us/bet/854/ it calls for pierce to be a director. currently as per https://bitcoinfoundation.org/about/overview/ he seems to have been silently downgraded to member.
assbot: BitBet - Brock Pierce to resign at BTC Foundation :: 0.3 B (3%) on Yes, 10.08 B (97%) on No | closed 1 week 5 hours ago
assbot: Overview | The Bitcoin Foundation
BingoBoingo: Mac OS (which roughly excludes things with version numbers greater than 7.1) did this thing where options presented graphically reflected machine state. 7.5.1 and later along with the OS X bastard begin the breaking of correspondence with... nigger fingers
mircea_popescu: im going to have that as a yes, sometime tomorrow. if anyone wants to make an argument... you got about a day.
cazalla: wtf bitbet scam this is like the bfl bet
cazalla: sounds fair tbh, they must've done it on the sly not to bring attention to him
BingoBoingo: Oh Brock silently coup'd
mircea_popescu: s a funny testament to both his and their relative importance
mircea_popescu: that the only point at which anyone notices this is when a bitbet mod tries to close a bitbet bet.
decimation: or that 10 btc is enough to motivate changing their 'structure'
BingoBoingo: It really seems that their entire structure changed to confound the bet
cazalla: did he resign or do it willingly though
gernika: I'm not understanding the argument that, shall we say, the less fair skinned would be extinct if not transported to the americas. Seems to me like there are more deadly diseases originating from Africa that kill whites than the other way around. Whites trying to settle Africa near the equator died like tsetse flies.
BingoBoingo: Honestly an questionable interpretation may be they went from a board of directors to a board of members... odd presentation question, maybe leading to a trap, but totes niggarific
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo interesting poin tre appleos stuff. i never followed it any so i had no clue.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: This is what happens when your first computer is an actual mac in 2000-2001
mircea_popescu: gernika so where is the great iroquis nation ?
cazalla: maybe it's like casino whereby brock says he is food and beverage director but really about the only thing he directed was the casino
mircea_popescu: (and by any measures it WAS a great nation. greater than say, that-time italy)
BingoBoingo: Still it looks like Brock could lose this bet on webdesign points
mircea_popescu: cazalla yeah. right. so many punks grow up to be shadowlords.
gernika: mircea_popescu dead. I mean subsaharan africans though.
mircea_popescu: gernika land in africa is just as valuable as land in the midwest, as far as land goes.
mircea_popescu: imagiune there wasn't a massive african diaspora in the us. how would rhodesia have looked ?
BingoBoingo: The precendent where Brock looses this bet on web design grounds could set a great precedent
mircea_popescu: there wasn't a massive chicano diaspora at isabelle's court. how did mexico look /
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo wtf is one to do ?
cazalla: well look, bobby lee is named board member as well yet they were elected to same role
mircea_popescu: what role was it ?
mircea_popescu: "director of board membership" or something ?
cazalla: if board member, bad bet?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: To be fair I have great gains to make if the bet is resolved as yes, but... if such resolution makes muppets begin treating web documents as documents of record when they publich and maintain them... that would be a plus.
mircea_popescu: it can't really be a bad bet retroactively.
mircea_popescu: maybe the result ios a "this website is merely informational" disclaimer. as if lol.
BingoBoingo: I mean I'm not correcting attrocious sentences on my blog using the grounds that text is sacred.
cazalla: way back when shows those vacant seats as board members not directors
mircea_popescu: cazalla i find it distinctly riodiculous that nobody pointed this out prior.
mircea_popescu: for all the retarded nitpicks that make their way into bitbet comments...
BingoBoingo: I mean I am no where near as confident on this argument as when I Bitbet lawyered my way to a righteous win on S.DICE vs. S.BBET however this seems to instead harken back to luke-jr's BFL miner.
mircea_popescu: ;;google brock pierce director
gribble: Brock Pierce - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brock_Pierce>; Brock Pierce | LinkedIn: <http://www.linkedin.com/in/brockpierce>; Brock Pierce - IMDb: <http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0682302/>
mircea_popescu: ;;google "brock pierce" "bitcoin foundation" director
gribble: Brock Pierce to Bitcoin Foundation: I Will Not Step Down - CoinDesk: <http://www.coindesk.com/brock-pierce-bitcoin-foundation-will-not-step-down/>; Bobby Lee, Brock Pierce Join Bitcoin Foundation's Board of Directors: <http://www.coindesk.com/bobby-lee-brock-pierce-join-bitcoin-foundations-board-directors/>; Bitcoin Foundation hit by resignations over new director | Reuters: (1 more message)
cazalla: why is bobby lee not still a director then
mircea_popescu: cazalla i am actually seeing a lot of merit in your position.
mircea_popescu: upon further consideration.
BingoBoingo: The argument I see in favor of no is largely a lack of resignation.
cazalla: unless bobby lee joined him for a pool party
BingoBoingo: Maybe get some pedo wiki lawyers on this case?
mircea_popescu: "The three pilots in the cockpit had a combined 10,000 hours of flying time in the C-5, and were backed by two flight engineers with a combined 12,000 hours in the air. "
mircea_popescu: dude gtfo.
mircea_popescu: im not buying this "so they suddenly became greenhorns" argument.
BingoBoingo: I mean they are presenting these people as something they weren't when the bet was opened.
decimation: yeah an alternative explanation is that the upgrade was actually a downgrade
mircea_popescu: decimation senator says that's not the case :)
BingoBoingo: The foundation may be trying to set a trap, where they assume board member should be assumed as a director on the board. In spite of that abusing the definition of both board and director
BingoBoingo: I feel comfortable though disclosing 1A8CEYzN75pCztEb9VmZg7ATFTtLmNS3qU was the address for my bet, HI AGENT BROACHWALA!!!11!!
BingoBoingo: It may be the way of the future that tards start combating BitBet by changing labels.
mircea_popescu: well... the problem is deeper than that. they're already combating sense by changing labels. take the board of directors : one used to have tro be a director first to be on that board.
mircea_popescu: nowadays... one wants to get on the board and this is presumed to make them a "director". over what ? heh.
decimation: I thought the whole idea of 'boards' in us corporate law is to create a body that is independent of the management
decimation: I would think the presumption would be that none of the board members are directors in the sense of holding management positions
BingoBoingo: decimation: Becasue directors are over management. But other forms of boards exist
mircea_popescu: someone just fucking crashed outside.
mircea_popescu: the street is one of the widest IN THE WORLD
mircea_popescu: and it's fucking empty.
decimation: drunk?
mircea_popescu: must be. the trunks of tuesday night god help us.
BingoBoingo: decimation: Drunk is not an explanation for a crash in itself
gernika: mircea_popescu ok I think I see your point, though it seems like colonialism within Africa would have been more influential in transferring technology, especially in Rhodesia, from where very few slaves probably originated or to where the educated descendants may have returned. Sierra Leone and Liberia, where a lot of descendants of slaves actually returned to are serious shit holes.
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BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: What are some more Argentine businesses plagued by Friends syndrome?
decimation: gernika: I would note that the 'returned slaves' immediately began to enslave the locals and run plantations of their own
[]bot: Bet created: "Bitcoin difficulty to fall before November" http://bitbet.us/bet/1040/
mircea_popescu: gernika im not so sure that colonialism -> tech transfer thing is worth anything.
mircea_popescu: ;;google site:trilema.com extraction economy
gribble: Wikileaks - MDXXIX pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/wikileaks-mdxxix>; Wikileaks - MCCXXXIX pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/wikileaks-mccxxxix>; Ron Maimon, Luboš Motl and other Internet things I hear of today for ...: <http://trilema.com/2014/ron-maimon-lubos-motl-and-other-internet-things-i-hear-of-today-for-the-very- (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: hm. fu google.
assbot: Jaful si economia pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: link to a decent book on the topic in there.
mircea_popescu: (mostly english quotes in article so it's parseable)
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo what's friends syndrome ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: You know, lazing about like sitcom New Yorkers.
BingoBoingo: !s NMC
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo well let's see. argentine beef is world famous. they managed to lose most of their exporting contracts on the purely economic grounds of not managing to meet their minimal quotas.
mircea_popescu: so now the principal export of the country is... soy.
mircea_popescu: that work for you ?
mircea_popescu: (beef here is still the best in the world, no arguments possible - and yes i've lived in texas etc)
mircea_popescu: http://girls.twistys.com/preview/totm/09-2014/p03/p/12.jpg << so this average stripper chose for herself the pr0n name "abigal mac"
mircea_popescu: what in the actual fuck, that's possibly the worst pr0n name i ever heard.
BingoBoingo: Soy is the second worst fate. At least you aren't stuck on dent corn.
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BingoBoingo: X-Rob: Do you have a favorite "dead" CPU architecture?
BingoBoingo finds ancient archs loved an interestingly revealing personality indicator
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X-Rob: BingoBoingo: Z80 would be my favourite, as that's what I grew up with. I actually collect vintage computers.
BingoBoingo: X-Rob: Cool, Imma 68k fan
X-Rob: I have a pile of TRS-80's, prior to the colour computer.
BingoBoingo: X-Rob: I had an interupted workflow not that long ago over a Mac SE/30 failure.
X-Rob: BingoBoingo: It's amusing that the single 'LDIR' Z80 opcode took until SSE2 to be duplicated. 1 clock cycle to move any 8 bit chunk of memory around.
X-Rob: probably not that impressive now. But it was then!
BingoBoingo: What amazes me is how many of these gems live in so many places
BingoBoingo: !up DreadKnight
BingoBoingo: !up darlidada
BingoBoingo: !up AndrewJackson
BingoBoingo: !up beetcoin
BingoBoingo: !up jdanks
BingoBoingo: jdanks: Are you THE dank?
RagnarDanneskjol: no - he is just jdanks - btc enthusiuast from socal. good guy
BingoBoingo: Ah, cool.
BingoBoingo: Bless his parents.
BingoBoingo: RagnarDanneskjol: Oh, don't you know about Dank nearly killing is parents?
RagnarDanneskjol: oh, no, I misunderstood
BingoBoingo: It's on the forum. Dank's the sort of crazy us respectable crazy's abhor.
RagnarDanneskjol: right. got it
BingoBoingo: RagnarDanneskjol: That's dank lite.
BingoBoingo: Dank gets much worse
RagnarDanneskjol: i think I recall some of the hysteria. will investigate into further
punkman: morgen
BingoBoingo: morgen punkman
BingoBoingo: RagnarDanneskjol: If you don't have apsychiatric interest it isn't the most fruitful time expendature
RagnarDanneskjol: I'v always enjoyed exploring madness - my mom is a shrink. also helps with honing my profiler/screening skills
punkman: seems like I need to get myself on an exchange, can't buy shit on -otc
punkman: but which one to choose...
RagnarDanneskjol: i have some local buyers/sellers I can introduce you to punk - they are the best i have found in the business
BingoBoingo: I've never had trouble finding buyers and sellers on -otc before, but nao that FBI/Treasury has visited who knows
BingoBoingo: !up eizodo--
BingoBoingo: Hello eizodo--
eizodo--: hello
RagnarDanneskjol: otherwise would try anx, kraken, localbtc
BingoBoingo: What brings you around these parts eizodo
punkman: BingoBoingo, I'm guessing it's because I don't have bigger number
BingoBoingo: punkman: My number is small
BingoBoingo: eizodo: You realize all of these nick changes are totally visible, yes?
BingoBoingo wonders how long eizodo can try to carry on a conversation in nick changes before angering assbot
BingoBoingo wonders why moar people don't work hard
BingoBoingo: In my feel
BingoBoingo: Bring the cotton out to be sole
punkman: ;;seen davout
gribble: davout was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 weeks, 6 days, 21 hours, 4 minutes, and 42 seconds ago: <davout> ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-08-2014#791960 <<< interesting
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35700 @ 0.00084435 = 30.1433 BTC [+] {2}
punkman: ;;gettrust BingoBoingo
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask BingoBoingo!~BingoBoin@unaffiliated/bingoboingo. Trust relationship from user punkman to user BingoBoingo: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 7 via 5 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=punkman&dest=BingoBoingo | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=BingoBoingo | Rated since: Wed Mar 20 03:45:45 2013
mircea_popescu: !up eizodo
punkman: mircea_popescu: so who runs bitfinex now?
mircea_popescu: it's about as clear as mud.
BingoBoingo: RagnarDanneskjol: Let's take this debate in chan
BingoBoingo: I'd really like those coins in the short term, but what does the Brock bet resolution imply in the long term
BingoBoingo: RagnarDanneskjol: What is your first language?
BingoBoingo: So RagnarDanneskjol How much of the conversation on this bet and the BTC Foundation's site thus far?
RagnarDanneskjol: i know i lack the eloquence of some of the big brains in here, but didnt think my grammers were that bad
RagnarDanneskjol: please rephrase the question
BingoBoingo: lol, I'm drunk. How much of the conversation on this bet and the BTC Foundation's site thus far and their interaction have you read on?
RagnarDanneskjol: none prior to our conversation - last I read brock's name was the press releases in May indicating he was refusing resignation
RagnarDanneskjol: anytime i see btc foundation, the eyes gloss over
BingoBoingo: Well... time passes at the moment, key words seem to be resigned and director. MP has a strong position on the word director.
RagnarDanneskjol: Ahh, regarding the verbiage on the wager, i read "resigns" as the key determining factor
BingoBoingo: The thing is RagnarDanneskjol breaking the BTC foundation can probably pay more dividens than golang BTCD
BingoBoingo: Right, resigns can be determining. So can director as well.
BingoBoingo: Welcome to the origins of a cluster fuck.
BingoBoingo: Because several months ago the BTC foundation advertised a board of directors, while now... the advertise a board of members.
BingoBoingo: RagnarDanneskjol: Do you have a way to contact Brock for his input?
RagnarDanneskjol: right, it was a shrewd and tactful deciscion
RagnarDanneskjol: yes, I can visit the office anyday
RagnarDanneskjol: but he gives me the creeps
punkman: I thought Brock was the one that bet 10btc
BingoBoingo: But it doesn't appear to be shrewd
BingoBoingo: punkman: So did I. Still I want to contact him if I can.
punkman: BingoBoingo: it seems nobody put any real money down on yes, guessing clusterfuck was expected
BingoBoingo: punkman: I put about 0.1 on yes expecting a clusterfuck I could lose.
punkman: well as I see it, some people still have Director in their titles, Brock doesn't
BingoBoingo: One of the most amazing things about homo sapien biology is the separation of circulatory and lymphatic systems between the scrotum and testes
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
cazalla: the position that brock and bobby lee won were advertised as board members not directors
cazalla: having glossed over director/board member, i bet no as i thought brock the rock was a lock
BingoBoingo: cazalla: But if they were never directors Brock could also not resign from a directorship?
BingoBoingo: Brock is only a rock in the kiddie pool.
cazalla: rock spider
BingoBoingo: And I bet yes, because I thought the FBI was on our side instead of on my fucking doorstep.
BingoBoingo: The amount I put on yes was minimal compared to what that one nigger put on no.
cazalla: wonder if it is brock
BingoBoingo: I seriously would love the yes returns on that bet, but hate the hate if yes was interpreted the yes way.
BingoBoingo: Kinda why I want brock in this chan yesterday.
RagnarDanneskjol: so he can confirm or deny resignation?
RagnarDanneskjol: I doubt he would confirm either way
BingoBoingo: RagnarDanneskjol: So he can confirm or evade like a slimy chomo piece of shit.
assbot: Brock Pierce (brockpierce) auf Twitter
assbot: Bitcoin Foundation hit by resignations over new director| Reuters
punkman: they sure called him director a lot back then
BingoBoingo: punkman: But that was back then.
punkman: was there another "Executive Director" before matonis
BingoBoingo: The problem is the foundation is as solid as coco butter
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mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> The problem is the foundation is as solid as coco butter << quite.
assbot: /brockpierce Are you familiar with IRC at all? Would you care to join the /hashtag/Bitcoin?src=hash-/Bitcoin_Assets channel for a bit of Q and A?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo what can the guy do, practically ?
mircea_popescu: take an oath ?
cazalla: perhaps it's brock that tells the journos that he's the director
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: He can answer. Maybe not well, but in the worst case he can repent
BingoBoingo: I mean what can Obama do?
mircea_popescu: im just saying, generally to find an individuals position with an organisation, you need anyone but him
punkman: maybe ask Matonis then?
mircea_popescu: which is unclear who'd be. vesseneess is an asshole i wouldn't take the word of anyway, and nobody else is in charge there.
mircea_popescu: punkman is this the same matonis that got kicked out a while back and then went back in ?
punkman: no idea
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> which is unclear who'd be. vesseneess is an asshole i wouldn't take the word of anyway, and nobody else is in charge there. << Prime case where I get 30x on my money but fear how the niggers spin it.
punkman: what if Brock never were a director, wouldn't that make for a badbet?
punkman: to resign from a position you must have held the position at some point
punkman: in one of the foundation's IRS forms for 2013, only Matonis is listed as Executive Director and some girl as Assistant Director
BingoBoingo: If he were never a director that would, I think resolve as a "no"
cazalla: that's what i said earlier punkman
BingoBoingo: As you have to be a diretor to resign from directorship.
punkman: and it doesn't seem that board members hold any directorial duties
BingoBoingo: This revision from director board to memberboard makes everything so messy though.
BingoBoingo: It is a serious fucking Hearnia
BingoBoingo: Iodine Wipes!
BingoBoingo: Scalpel!
cazalla: way back when also lists karpeles as board member not director
assbot: The-Bitcoin-Foundation-Legal-Repo/Bylaws_of_The_Bitcoin_Foundation.md at master pmlaw/The-Bitcoin-Foundation-Legal-Repo GitHub
BingoBoingo: Not that blunt piece of shit cazalla, get me a fucking sharp #10!
cazalla: but when he resigned, the foundation said "Effective immediately, Mark Karpeles has submitted his resignation from the board of directors"
assbot: Bitcoin Foundation: Blog
punkman: they call it a board of directors in their bylaws, which are supposed to be current
BingoBoingo: diana_coman Halp, what is Ingles?
punkman: fukken words
punkman: how do they even work
BingoBoingo: punkman: But are their bylaws current with their actual operations? Are the nigger actually picking cotton in the field? These are hard fucking problems man.
assbot: Bitcoin Foundation: About: Board Members
RagnarDanneskjol: "statements that can not univocally be established as either true or false at a certain point in the future are BadBets and as such unacceptable on BitBet. For instance, "God Exists" is unacceptable, because it can never be established as either true or false."
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punkman: so he's always been board member on the website
BingoBoingo: Is this a board of members or a board of directors?
BingoBoingo: Does anyone have some lithium citrate?
RagnarDanneskjol: board members
BingoBoingo: RagnarDanneskjol: And that is in the middle of two options.
BingoBoingo: A board is nothing but what it can be composed of
BingoBoingo: Is this a director fiber or a member fiber?
RagnarDanneskjol: well, many boards have consultants, litigators, etc who participate as non-members
BingoBoingo: And on many they participate as members, but not directors
BingoBoingo: The yes interpretations of the brock bet leave a lot of room for educating the niggerboard on meaning
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BingoBoingo: The no interpretation seems to offer moar... something
RagnarDanneskjol: seems to me the wording for this wager could qualify under "Can bets be cancelled? ...material changes that make the bet meaningless"
mircea_popescu: except nothing apparently changed.
BingoBoingo: Nothing except the clarity of foundation slime.
RagnarDanneskjol: true - other than interpretations, prolly dosn't meet threshold for"material" changes, unless it does
punkman: BingoBoingo: the clarity wasn't there to begin with
RagnarDanneskjol: better yet "We do review comments made for cases where bets should indeed be cancelled..."
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BingoBoingo: punkman: Sure it was, but when a frog gets ready to spawn...
BingoBoingo: I just can't believe I'm in a position to win stupid BTC on yes and still, at least in ernest (the victorian) arguing that I might be in line for nothing.
BingoBoingo: What has BTC done to people's morals but harden them!
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punkman: coming from a place where director actually means something, I'd be more inclined to go with Yes
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BingoBoingo: Interesting
BingoBoingo: I'm in the position of imagining it would be better to make a nice dry rub and drag the subject here by his loins.
mircea_popescu: i still don't see what i could contribute, were i in the guy;s shoes and some third parties having had a bet
mircea_popescu: i suppose i wouldn't be in his shoes in the first place,. not having a tendency to get involved with scummy shit.
cazalla: if his is the 10 btc bet, surely he'll come
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RagnarDanneskjol: for bingo's sake, I hope you win, but seems far too much ambiguity in wording for any clear answer - with or without direct 'confirmations' from the source.
BingoBoingo: I dunno that I want to win this one.
BingoBoingo: And not just because the FBI knows my free'd name nao
RagnarDanneskjol: I'm sure you're gonna be fine either way bingo
BingoBoingo: RagnarDanneskjol: Only if I know people who can pester over the matter of everything though.
BingoBoingo: If charges and remand mean an ankelbracelet and home instead of an ankel bracelet and the Darien gap... Anger!
BingoBoingo: RagnarDanneskjol: If only you enumerated the ways I can't be fine. Spiders? not fine! Centipedes? not fine!
BingoBoingo: And there's more
BingoBoingo: x86 computers? not fine!
RagnarDanneskjol: Bingo, you may not feel fine, but you will BE fine
RagnarDanneskjol: perhaps more weed, less lithium+booze.
BingoBoingo: RagnarDanneskjol: You may be using different definitions of "be" and "feel" in this context than I would. I mean I've enjoyed my least time in a locked ward.
BingoBoingo: And I know of no US programs that do lithium+booze.
BingoBoingo: Not that I like Lithium. It takes all of 3 days to make my flanks hurt like a whipped bitch.
RagnarDanneskjol: ok, you seem rather well adjusted to me. maybe its everyone else who's crazy
BingoBoingo: Still better than risperidone which makes me produce dairy like a moo cow while trembling liek micheal J fox.
RagnarDanneskjol: sounds like a party
BingoBoingo: RagnarDanneskjol: The greatest asset in any situation is knowledge of how you react.
BingoBoingo: I'm curious how Magnus Carlsen reacts to Ferguson niggers.
BingoBoingo: I bet it is better than how he reats to Ferguson police though.
assbot: jdanks +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
BingoBoingo: !up jdanks
BingoBoingo: Hello jdanks
jdanks: mornin' gents
BingoBoingo: Morning
jdanks: so I am now in the WoT (: I love the channel and blogs from y'all
BingoBoingo: jdank who +1'd you?
BingoBoingo: ;;gettrust jdanks
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask jdanks!~john@108-93-178-152.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net. Trust relationship from user BingoBoingo to user jdanks: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=BingoBoingo&dest=jdanks | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=jdanks | Rated since: never
jdanks: already?
RagnarDanneskjol: he just set it up now
jdanks: nobody it appears like. I just joined this madness
BingoBoingo: jdanks: cool, one always has to begin with the probing though.
jdanks: I am to not be trusted. Rolled in here on my tumbleweed. We do have a surprising amount of those in LA
BingoBoingo: Probing hurts more later
jdanks: No but really I engineer, I'm an open book. Sell eggs for BTC. Garden and what not
BingoBoingo: jdanks: What are you growing? My chile looks splendid this year, but it probably is within 48 hours of being a health hazard/
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jdanks: My corn (white or blue or yellow) turned out small or with few kernels. It's been too hot. My Kale always loves the heat. Strawberries year round. I have loads of artichoke seeds. I still have this 10 lb. beet in the fridge I grew that I needa juice with maybe some carrots and apple.
RagnarDanneskjol: ;;rate jdanks 2 is good people, quality eggs, also confirmed to be a living human being
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 2 for user jdanks has been recorded.
cazalla: jdanks, what sorta chickens?
jdanks: I am trying not to kill the 2 year old fruit trees though. The annuals are going crazy. Thanks Ragnar!
BingoBoingo: <jdanks> I still have this 10 lb. beet in the fridge I grew that I needa juice with maybe some carrots and apple. << We get sweet potatoes like that
jdanks: cazalla I have 4 leghorns, 3 rhode island reds, a couple barred rocks, and 3 black hens that are either australorp, buff orphington, or jersey giant
jdanks: BoingoBoingo dude the only reason it isn't in the ground going to seed is because the danged ladies dug/scratched it up.
cazalla: barred rocks are the same as plymouths, right?
jdanks: Yes and Amrocks too I think.
cazalla: i had 3 sussex bantams and 3 plymouth bantams
jdanks: Bred for show vs. Egg laying in it's own breed/strain
cazalla: with spring here, i'm going to build a proper coop and run for some more once some pullets are available locally
BingoBoingo: jdanks: At this point I'm just fucking with you because I can't keep Tilapia alive
jdanks: (: I love chickens, they are pretty hilarious to watch sometimes. They do create drama for themselves haha
cazalla: jdanks, yeah same, one of the sussex we had was so tame, the others would stay back but she'd come to the sliding door and peck it for food
jdanks: Those bantams are awesome. My faves are the barred rocks because they look like zebras
jdanks: lol Boingo that's sad. Don't those eat like..anything?
jdanks: cazalla when I'm outside having a cig they love jumping for it. Hell you can have anything in your hand and they will swarm you.
BingoBoingo: jdanks: Yes, tilapia are the worst in every sense. If you propose it to them as a food, they eat it.
BingoBoingo: Closest thing I can think of to Tilapia are Oscars, another African cichlid.
jdanks: I met this mechanical engineer once. He tells us his life story. After an hour he invites us into his house and backyard and he had this wonderful custom pool with crazy skulls in the cement. He was gonna farm Tilapia one season then I think crawfish the next and they would eat each others' poo or something. He had it all figured out lol
assbot: Police chief kills boys pet chicken: Fowl were in violation of city ordinance | West Central Tribune
jdanks: Thank goodness we moved the hens to be in accordance with our city ordinance. And here in my city for some reason animal control gets to make up those laws, the laws/code says
BingoBoingo: Tilapia aren't shit eaters like goldfish, but they aren't picky either.
BingoBoingo: Crawfish are a huge pain though because they NEED moving water
BingoBoingo: Crawfish are just about the perfect intersection of nutritious and gullible though
jdanks: He was going to go fishing. Every. Day.
jdanks: Kinda admire his spirit.
RagnarDanneskjol: sounds like my kinda guy
BingoBoingo: jdanks RagnarDanneskjol: either of you ever go gar fishing?
jdanks: Apparently if you build it, you may also make them come. gar?
jdanks: I wanna go catch some baby tuna. We got an El Nino swell goin on
BingoBoingo: jdanks: Gar, older than dinosaurs. Tastier too.
jdanks: I assume they taste like ass as opposed to shit?
RagnarDanneskjol: I grew up on east coast -barrier island, caught plenty of those. scary suckers
RagnarDanneskjol: didnt think they edible
BingoBoingo: jdanks: Decent substitute in crabcakes for crab. Just clear divide between edible an inedible meat on gar
mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> Still better than risperidone which makes me produce dairy like a moo cow while trembling liek micheal J fox. << wait you actually were speaking out of experience ?!
BingoBoingo: The good parts of gar taste divine. The bad parts don't taste like, but actually are poison.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: On a spectrum.
BingoBoingo: Swiftly asked for lithium instead
mircea_popescu: jdanks> (: I love chickens, they are pretty hilarious to watch sometimes. They do create drama for themselves haha << now this is true.
mircea_popescu: which is how young women ended up being called chicks.
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BingoBoingo: jdanks: Maybe you ask the wrong question?
jdanks: This one will suffice http://youtu.be/cAVmP16ktY4
assbot: The View Chicken Show - YouTube
jdanks: Oh boy I'm tired. postin useless vids. To bed!
BingoBoingo: And this is the reason I trust the Jer0d Poore guy
punkman: mhmm I want to smoke some fish now, you guys are making me hungry
BingoBoingo: " Posted Today, 01:21 AM
BingoBoingo: I gave up on that, but thanks. It would be like trying to document the goings on of the NSA.
BingoBoingo: There is 3 dimensional chess occuring in Europe right now between Western Europe, Putin and the relative absence of the US. Pretty much everyone is pissed at / keeping an eye on Americans who are career US gvt. (Never fear - we were military and are now Contractors - no 3 letter agencies here...).
BingoBoingo: The difficulty is, if you've lived this life (and not been a stupid git going la la la in a bubble) for a long time, you learn to do certain things on auto pilot that, to someone looking for a "suspicious person" may ring bells. e.g. Take different routes, stay very aware of surroundings and people, avoid cameras (who the hell wants to be on the internet besides Jerod?), and for God's sake, sit facing the door of the restaurant!
BingoBoingo: These things were common place for military people during the Cold War and then people just kind of... forgot. Well, welcome to the new world order: it's the same as the old one, it never went away - people just stopped paying attention. Some people, anyway.
BingoBoingo: Life is remarkably similar to old Robert Ludlum novels. Unfortunately.
BingoBoingo: " -- another paranoid forumer
punkman: I'm thinking doradas and citrus wood
BingoBoingo: I'm thinking ben_vulpes is confused screaming I wought to leave while seeing no reason to expatriate himself
chetty: I wonder what % of people who notice the on coming train and thing, hey I should get out of the way actually do?
mircea_popescu: that guy is a spook if there ever was one.
chetty: Probably not many if it involves moving their stuff
BingoBoingo: The -D who signed that text wall is an expatirated 'Murcan in Prussia is I recall correctly
mircea_popescu: i hear a quite distinct fear in the voice of these people.
mircea_popescu: a new found fear.
RagnarDanneskjol zooms in, wonders if thats bleached or just saliva
BingoBoingo wonders how Discus fish got to be a pool name sake
BingoBoingo: few creatures in nature are more fragile
mircea_popescu: she's displaying perfect technique there too, that's how you take these shots : with the tosser's tongue on the outer rim, obscuring all that perianal melanin.
cazalla: what's with the sore across from clit and down a bit?
RagnarDanneskjol: oh yea -good eyes
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Azelphur: kakobrekla / any other op, moriarty is back to his old pm spamming antics in here.
BingoBoingo: Azelphur: Demon, summon the spamming demon!
Azelphur: and after saying ^, he's CTCP spamming me :P
BingoBoingo: moriarty do you read this plaintext?
BingoBoingo: Manifest yourself moriarty in this IRC chan, or choke on your text for 7 or 8 eternities
BingoBoingo: I'm not that picky
BingoBoingo: !up bitstein
BingoBoingo: Hello bitstein
bitstein: Hey BingoBoingo
BingoBoingo: Long time no see
bitstein: ha, yea. i have a lot of logs to catch up on.
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BingoBoingo: bitstein: Indeed you do, but so does Pierre
BingoBoingo: I mean bitstein people here are making bold claims; http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/09/03/the-systemd-war-is-over/ AND you may be lost on the evidence
assbot: The Systemd war is over | Bingo Blog
BingoBoingo: !up tris
BingoBoingo: bitstein: I dunno if you've realized yet, but as the S* N* Institute you need to take bold jumps
bitstein: such as?
BingoBoingo: bitstein: Such as declaring limits to systemd's progress in the linuxscape
BingoBoingo: You've got a good thing, your master gave it a good name.
BingoBoingo: Don't fight it
BingoBoingo: Kunta, if you aren't going to contest Toby as your new name you might as well just pick nubbins' cotton so he can focus on interesting t-shirts
assbot: /evilgjb as of last week ALL processes have ppid==1 to bring the /hashtag/systemd?src=hash experience to /hashtag/FreeBSD?src=hash
bitstein: “Hearnia” made me lol
BingoBoingo: @karinjiri Fuck you in your asshole. Runlevel 4 or die motherfucker. Eat my shit you cock sucking shitmonger. @mwlauthor @evilgjb
BingoBoingo: Hearnia is true
BingoBoingo: bitstein: Have you ever dealt with a truely grave pelvic injury?
bitstein: nope
BingoBoingo: Hearnia just opens the story
BingoBoingo: bitstein: Did you also see the thing where the FBI showed up on my front door?
bitstein: No, I have been out of the loop for the past month. That’s crazy. What happened?
pankkake: that systemd article is ridiculous…
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BingoBoingo: pankkake: systemd is the devil
BingoBoingo: And not the good devil like I lovingly worship
pankkake: care to formulate an actual technical critic? other than the usual uninformed bullshit
BingoBoingo: pankkake: I like having metric fucktons of knobs to turn on the way to runlevel 4. Systemd precludes that.
pankkake: I can't wait until Debian finally trashes its init system. the thing can't even tell you reliably if a daemon is running
BingoBoingo: .'. Systemd is worse than the cotton gin
pankkake: yeah, the usual bullshit
pankkake: have you actually tried to use it?
BingoBoingo: It shouldn't reliable be able to tell you so
BingoBoingo: It SHOULD be mystery meat
BingoBoingo: A/UX worked, Solaris up to version 8 worked, FUCK DEBIAN!
pankkake: so that's basically hipsterism
BingoBoingo: pankkake: No, I am the fucking Pat Buchanan of computing.
BingoBoingo: I'm fucking paleo.
chetty: never update until the update has been out in wide use for at least a year
pankkake: wake me up if you ever have a technical argument, and actually used the thing. I have written enough init scripts to know what's what
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BingoBoingo: pankkake: So what makes AIX the shit while IRIX sucks shit?
BingoBoingo: These are primordial questions, born of the mud
BingoBoingo: sanity comes later, wrestle with some elder gods
assbot: boycott systemd
mircea_popescu: <bitstein> “Hearnia” made me lol << me too, actually.
punkman: how about those
mircea_popescu: soo... canonical is spawning a whole new windnux ?
mircea_popescu: !up bitspill
pankkake: punkman: yeah, they're retards
mircea_popescu: !up bitstein
mircea_popescu: "We do recognize the need for a new init system in the 21st century, but systemd is not it."
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: systemd-ism explains the nigbuntu suck
mircea_popescu: i musta missed that memo. what's so special about this 21st century that it can't eat the same oatmeal all the other 58 coming before it did ?
mircea_popescu: "1. systemd flies in the face of the Unix philosophy: "do one thing and do it well," representing a complex collection of dozens of tightly coupled binaries1. Its responsibilities grossly exceed that of an init system, as it goes on to handle power management, device management, mount points, cron, disk encryption, socket API/inetd, syslog, network configuration, login/session management, readahead, GPT partition disco
mircea_popescu: very, container registration, hostname/locale/time management, and other things."
mircea_popescu: ahahhaha.
mircea_popescu: no prng ? but why not :D
pankkake: except the distros init systems actually do that
pankkake: so, retards with no idea what they are talking about
pankkake: again, come back when you have used the things, and tried to do basic sysadmin stuff with those
mircea_popescu: systemd's journal files (handled by journald) are stored in a complicated binary format2, and must be queried using journalctl. This makes journal logs potentially corruptible, as they do not have ACID-compliant transactions. You typically don't want that to happen to your syslogs. The advice of the systemd developers? Ignore it. No, seriously. Oh, and there's embedded HTTP server integration (libmicrohttpd). QR codes
mircea_popescu: are served, as well, through libqrencode.
mircea_popescu: libmircohttpd ? srsly ?
mircea_popescu: By default, systemd saves core dumps to the journal, instead of the file system. Core dumps must be explicitly queried using coredumpctl4. Besides going against all reason, it also creates complications in multi-user environments (good luck running gdb on your program's core dump if it's dumped to the journal and you don't have root access)
mircea_popescu: ahahaha who the fuck designed this
pankkake: have you actually checked the validity of this list?
mircea_popescu: i mean sure, the "journal gets corrupted, fuck you, we're not fixing it" i can see. but then... dump all cores into it ?
mircea_popescu: pankkake i have nfi, this is my checking process. does it suck ?
pankkake: yeah, I don't know why I bother...
BingoBoingo: pankkake: I still like Solaris 8
pankkake: there's "like" and "I have to actually do things with it"
pankkake: seriously, is this a joke?
mircea_popescu: pankkake which part ?
pankkake: the part of jumping of the "systemd is bad" bandwagon without any knowledge whatsoever
BingoBoingo: pankkake: this is *nix world, everything works!
punkman: pankkake: well I have no clue, but is it that systemd is not retarded, or that the alternatives suck
mircea_popescu: "It's also worth noting that systemd will refuse to start as a user instance, unless the system boots with it as well"
mircea_popescu: pankkake so far i see some glaringly bad design decisions (core in journal, srsly ?) and some meat to the "they're trying to hijack linux" allegations. (srsly, this shit is too good to run as a user instance ?)
mircea_popescu: i don't particularly give a shit anyway, not like i;ve been seriously contemplating running contemporary distros anywhere anyway.
mircea_popescu: "systemd clusters itself into PID 1. Due to it controlling lots of different components, this means that there are tons of scenarios in which it can crash and bring down the whole system. But in addition, this means that plenty of non-kernel system upgrades will now require a reboot."
mircea_popescu: how about that one roflmao.
mircea_popescu: srsly, it does all that AND it does it all as a single pid, AND it fixes which pid ? help me rwanda, what is this, microshit's fired a lot of "engineers" ?
chetty: sounds like windows
pankkake: init systems are PID 1...
pankkake: fucking fuck
pankkake: what am I even doing here?
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mircea_popescu: dude, init systems that hijack the core dumping process, control the power settings and disk fucking encryption all together aren't "init systems" in the vein of what you're thinking of.
mircea_popescu: and why's he so touchy anyway.
mircea_popescu: "11. Ultimately, systemd's parasitism is symbolic of something more than systemd itself. It shows a radical shift in thinking by the Linux community. Not necessarily a positive one, either. One that is vehemently postmodern, monolithic, heavily desktop-oriented, choice-limiting, isolationist, reinvents the flat tire, and just a huge anti-pattern in general. If your goal is to pander to the lowest common denominator, so
mircea_popescu: be it. We will look for alternatives, however." << there's definitely some substance to that.
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mircea_popescu: what again ?
mircea_popescu: no, that's the same april thing. ok os ?
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mircea_popescu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/systemd << not even ubuntu uses it o.O
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punkman: not yet at least
mircea_popescu: well ubuntu is imo the drain of the linux world. all shit will eventually end up in there,
mircea_popescu: "It's really sad that things like this get elevated to this kind of situation, and I personally find it annoying that it's always the same f*cking prima donna involved," Torvalds wrote.
mircea_popescu: apparently systemd devs have all the love and support they could use lol.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell pankkake srsly, the odds of me coming to an opinion contrary of torvalds' on topix of linuxness are maybe null. wtf.
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pankkake: ubuntu doesn't use systemd because it's shit
pankkake: nor is torvalds against systemd
pankkake: and init systems DO handle encryption, network setup
pankkake: it's a bunch of shell scripts that do just that
mircea_popescu: well yes, but these seem a bunch of binaries instead ?
pankkake: yes, and?
pankkake: I'm sick and tired of talking in riddles
mircea_popescu: if i don't like what a script does, i edit it. if i don't like what a binary does, i ... ?
pankkake: you edit your init system really?
mircea_popescu: i edit everything. i actually learned to program by randomly poking and peeking in the z80 memory.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, systemd is what, the pulseaudio guy and this guy, right ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, the whole dram seems to me ts'o and mebbe torvalds hating on sievers and maybe poettering.
mircea_popescu: is there more than meets the eye ?
BingoBoingo: !up bitstein
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as i understand, the chinese 'wot' is their... genealogical tree. and i'm not certain that they'd see out wot as other than noise even were they to get out of that stage. (and why ought they) <<< this seems akin to saying poles are stupid, to me.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Then why did the smart poles get that radiation poisoning
mircea_popescu: X-Rob: I consider myself vindicated << lol didn't even take that much!
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: !up tatinportland << i read this as "tart in poland" first.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The curies were poles weren't they. Also the poles are pretty much all of the pale left in Chiraq
mircea_popescu: well... they were "french"
BingoBoingo: Not pankkake french
BingoBoingo: Or like systemd radiation would have been still moar trendy
BingoBoingo: What I am seriously curious about is why does no other person in BTC have a cool story to tell about their FBI encounter?
BingoBoingo: Are Charlie and Erik that afraid?
mircea_popescu: what'd you have them say ?
BingoBoingo: Or do I price my liberty too cheaply? Or do I overestimate my oratory skill too much?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Just, Hey dudes, FBI showed up.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Just an acknowledgement of an encounter.
mircea_popescu: im pretty sure there were pix of shrem's encounter(s)
BingoBoingo: At the airport when he was getting cuffed maybe, or are you refering to the bong thing I own none of.
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BingoBoingo: Agent Broachwala, you may find this weird, but I'll stand by http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/09/03/the-systemd-war-is-over/ longer than I'll stand by most of my baseball blog posts
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mircea_popescu: o look, there's an entire systemd discussion in teh log.
BingoBoingo: Indeed there is
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: there is a concerted effort to replace certain things with... various other things. <<< obligatory https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ixeRWrg0yg
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BingoBoingo: pankkake: You know what works with systemV init? A/UX
BingoBoingo: So I joined random channel suggested by a spammer banned before I could post there but conversation with another person there:
BingoBoingo: BingoBoingo> I'm from southern Illinois.
BingoBoingo: <Barabbas> :)
BingoBoingo: <Barabbas> what have new in Ilinois?
BingoBoingo: <BingoBoingo> Oh, I'm trying to move further south in the state, but if I can't find a uni job I might go expatriate first
BingoBoingo: <BingoBoingo> Also Chicag still sounds worse than Iraq
BingoBoingo: <BingoBoingo> And now Ferguson on the other side of te river seems almost as bad as Chiraq
BingoBoingo: <Barabbas> what is happening in Chichago?
BingoBoingo: <BingoBoingo> Oh just niggers shooting each other, the usual
BingoBoingo: <Barabbas> huh...
BingoBoingo: <BingoBoingo> Seriously, it's why I like living south of I-70, put some distance between myself and that.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you know last time someone did this they ended up having to put coinz in the hat.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Don't worry, I already mentioned the Federal task force looking over my plaintext shoulder in pm.
mircea_popescu: i mean failing to use a pastebin,
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mircea_popescu: decimation: after all, wouldn't you like to tie your boot process with opaque silicon? << you, of course not. the silicon marketeers, of course yes. the great tablet experiment has everyone salivating.
mircea_popescu: i blame the dumbass us consumers, but hey, what difference does it make.
BingoBoingo: I'll search for the hat when I sober up. Just juggling a bunch of foreigners atm
chetty: there are dumbass consumers everywhere, unfortunately not limited to us
mircea_popescu: yeah, but most of them are fortunate enough to be poor, and lucky enough to live in countries that aren't built like the inside of a cattle ranch.
mircea_popescu: these two may be related.
BingoBoingo awaits the Trilema post analysing angry birds, which to my knowledge is still the canonical touch screen game
mircea_popescu: kinda unlikely.
BingoBoingo: I thought you spent the last month finger fucking the shit out of i* games
mircea_popescu: sure, but not shitty ones.
mircea_popescu: "From the start, my revelations on this blog about Red Hat’s deep control of Linux, along with their large corporate/government connections, hasn’t been just about spying, but about losing the distributed engineering quality of Linux, with Red Hat centralizing control. Yet as an ex-cypherpunk and crypto software developer, as soon as I started using Linux years ago, I noted that all the major distributions used wat
mircea_popescu: ered-down encryption (to use stronger encryption in many areas, such as AES-loop, you needed to compile your own kernel and go to great lengths to manually bypass barriers they put in place to the use of genuinely strong encryption). This told me then that those who controlled distributions were deeply in the pockets of intelligence networks. So it comes as no surprise to me that they jumped on board systemd when told
mircea_popescu: to, despite the mock choice publicized to users – there was never any option."
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mircea_popescu: stuff like that'd be so much better explicitly stated...
BingoBoingo: I'm just amazed I've spent ~12 hours now at just the right BAC to pontificate on *nix'y things
Azelphur: so, I had a fun week \o/
BingoBoingo: Including the part where 68040's were not Mac's
BingoBoingo: Hey Azelphur
mircea_popescu: "As for the algorithms themselves, the math, many like DSA are actually overtly designed by the NSA, so you can be sure they know how to break them, or they wouldn’t offer them. Others are probably expensive but crackable in high-interest cases (we’re talking quantum computers at their disposal). For anything super-critical I think a one-time pad is the only guarantee, and make sure your RNG works!"
mircea_popescu: nutcase.
Azelphur: tried ownCloud, added some missing features, their team are all like "Oh, we'll pay for your costs to go to Berlin and come to our conference"
Azelphur: was awesome :P
Azelphur: so apparently I'm like, the posterchild for ownCloud now
BingoBoingo: Azelphur: Owncloud seems like a iCloud/Dropbox marketing stunt
BingoBoingo: And why am I not invited to this shit.
Azelphur: BingoBoingo: it's nothing to do with them beyond that it's similar
Azelphur: the easiest way to describe it is open source self hosted Dropbox/iCloud
BingoBoingo: Azelphur: No it has everything to do with them because owncloud sucks
Azelphur: BingoBoingo: I'm having no problems with it ;)
BingoBoingo: Owncloud is missing everything people like about the big names
Azelphur: BingoBoingo: like what? I'm implementing missing things.
BingoBoingo: even though actual solutions have existed for a long time
mircea_popescu: "Anything ECC is currently highly suspicious, not in the least because the math is complex." <<< ah i'm so flattered. so a year or two ago, schneier and the "consensus" i nthe community was that rsa bad, ecc good ; mp was exactly on the other position.
BingoBoingo: Azelphur: What about owncloud calendar?
mircea_popescu: nowadays it's just about to tip over into sanity. well done scheneir, you win a trip to suck my cock :D
Azelphur: BingoBoingo: it has one, uses CalDAV so will integrate with anything else you have, the Calendar rewrite is also nearly finished with a bunch of new features.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo why such a hater!
Azelphur: haters gonna hate :P
BingoBoingo: Azelphur: Does it work with real Mac OS calendar?
Azelphur: BingoBoingo: I believe so, yes.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Because hate makes me feel alive
Azelphur: it all talks CalDAV afaik, but I wouldn't be caught dead on a Mac so...
BingoBoingo: Azelphur: Are ypou familiar with my definition of real Mac OS and the machines I still connect to the internet with it?
Azelphur: BingoBoingo: no
Azelphur: BingoBoingo: CalDAV is an open specification that has been around for ages, if your application doesn't support it it's your application that sucks and not ownCloud
BingoBoingo: OS 7.5.1 is the end of the line
BingoBoingo: Azelphur: I can't help it if computers have onky gone downhill since 1991
BingoBoingo: I mean software's gotten better.
Azelphur: well caldav was only drafted in 2007, so I guess you're out of luck ;)
BingoBoingo: You can run XFCE 4.10 on a motorola 68030...
BingoBoingo: !up mapop
Azelphur: BingoBoingo: I can run XFCE on my phone too :P
BingoBoingo: Azelphur: I bet your phone has more than two colors though
Azelphur: indeed it does
BingoBoingo: Azelphur: You realize this highlights a prime problem wrought by the nternet, right?
Azelphur: orly
Azelphur: BingoBoingo: I have a friend you'd like, he still has a 486 :P
BingoBoingo: Ya rly
BingoBoingo: 486 is too new
BingoBoingo: If that had cred I'd be rolling a 68060
BingoBoingo: CISC hit a dead end at the 68030 though
BingoBoingo: What the internet means though is that some nigga's Mac SE/30 is just as much a first class citizen as sum bitches Samsung galaxy s8
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell mike_c that's splendid.
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Azelphur: BingoBoingo: HTC Xperia Optimus XT?
BingoBoingo: Azelphur: Dunno the name, but ur mom's prolly older than it.
BingoBoingo: Azelphur: You just met me, you barely know what hardware I like. How can you presume to make a "cloud" I'd like?
BingoBoingo: I mean you can't do worse than Apple at least
Azelphur: BingoBoingo: I don't believe I did :)
mircea_popescu: Azelphur so are you getting stock options ?
Azelphur: mircea_popescu: I haven't really touched investments beyond sitting on bitcoin for a while now
BingoBoingo: Azelphur: You mentioned the friend with a 486, if you've ever used a TI-89 you can convert him to saner options
Azelphur: I'm bad at it, remember? :P
mircea_popescu: nono, i mean, you going to work for this owncloud thing
Azelphur: mircea_popescu: oh, no, the tl;dr is that dropbox was annoying me so I switched to ownCloud, which annoyed me because it didn't have file browser integration, so I wrote it
mircea_popescu: and they got really excited with you, and paid for your trip over
Azelphur: exactly
mircea_popescu: you left unemployed ?!
Azelphur: yep :<
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Azelphur: mircea_popescu: can't impress these people, learn C++ and port my shit from Python in 2 days...
mircea_popescu: this is why they want to hire you, logically.
Azelphur: mircea_popescu: that said I've got a job offer now anyway from elsewhere, it's not the greatest but it'll do for now
mircea_popescu: think for a second. it's a business, right ? it pays for your ticket to come over, that's a job interview.
mircea_popescu: what else.
BingoBoingo: If only in 2010 MP would have beat me with the truth that no one hires librarians.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you coulda asked :D
Azelphur: mircea_popescu: well if it was a job interview, I solved every single problem, including a pile of everybody elses, turned up at 9am in the morning and left at 8pm every day for a week, I don't think I could have been more perfect if I tried :P
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: When MpU is a thing, I'll keep your books from rotting
Azelphur: I even solved the problems for other people who were using languages I didn't know on Platforms I hadn't used before
mircea_popescu: Azelphur have you tried asking them if they're gonna give you stock options ? :D
Azelphur: haha
Azelphur: mircea_popescu: I did say I would love a job at ownCloud quite clearly, I think they aren't looking to hire people tbh :)
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i guess you never read
mircea_popescu: ;;google trilema cartile au murit
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Azelphur: and just wanted me there because the stuff I was doing is cool, which is fine with me
mircea_popescu: whole world is upside down i tell you.
mircea_popescu: but who knows, maybe you';re right.
Azelphur: mircea_popescu: yea, I got this offer from ionCube anyway that I'm probably gonna take
mircea_popescu: is tha the php encoding stuff ?
Azelphur: pay isn't too great but at least it's a start :)
Azelphur: tbh all I really want from a job is enough to put a small amount away into BTC every month, then I can retire before too long :P
pankkake: owncloud competitor http://cozy.io/
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Azelphur: pankkake: yea, there are a few
Azelphur: RagnarDanneskjol: yup
RagnarDanneskjol: I follow your stuff & know some ppl might want to hire you. will email later today or tomorrow
RagnarDanneskjol: no reason to take less pay than you're worth
Azelphur: RagnarDanneskjol: oh cool, the window is pretty small considering I'm supposed to be starting at IonCube on Monday
Azelphur: although contracts aren't signed yet
mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol that's an underutilized resource if there was one. the kid is bright.
RagnarDanneskjol: oh we;; that is small -when do you need to accept by?
Azelphur: RagnarDanneskjol: I dunno, HR hasn't contacted me yet
Azelphur: I grumbled at them about the contract because it's a "We own your soul" level evil
Azelphur: but we resolved that to some degree
RagnarDanneskjol: hold them off for a few days if possible. are you working onsite or is it remote?
Azelphur: onsite but their office is only like 30m public transport from me
Azelphur: RagnarDanneskjol: my problem is that I have /no/ corporate experience or qualifications, I'm just smart. xD
RagnarDanneskjol: ok. might have some descent remote work you can do from home. I'll get back to you latr today
Azelphur: ok :)
mircea_popescu: pankkake you gonna tell me what the systemd butthurt was all about or just gonna rage silently and then come stab me 119 times in the middle of the night FOR NO FAULT OF MY OWN ?
Azelphur: I'd bet on the latter
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: That's an awfully chewy Trilema article
mircea_popescu: "trilema. chewing gum for your soul."
pankkake: just list a valid technical point of why systemd is bad and I'll listen. as I said, the criticism I see just show lack of knowledge of both systemd and existing init systems
kakobrekla: <Azelphur> mircea_popescu: well if it was a job interview, I solved every single problem, including a pile of everybody elses, turned up at 9am in the morning and left at 8pm every day for a week, I don't think I could have been more perfect if I tried :P < yeah sometime being a jerk hels you not get stuff.
mircea_popescu: putting a bunch of binaries with a bunch of dependency hell in the core of the system init process isn't technical ?
kakobrekla: helps
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: This talk of sweatship printing as a necessity, yes if everything is old trilems!
pankkake: you're doing it again
Azelphur: kakobrekla: admittedly I've always had trouble walking the trying to help / being a jerk line, in my head I'm always trying to help, but sometimes people don't see it that way.
Azelphur: but then, those are usually the type of people who are overly sensitive anyway
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo the mps of 2010 wave at you, oh their unknown interlocutor from across the seas.
mircea_popescu: pankkake what am i doing!11 eleventeen
kakobrekla: if you are sheep, act as the master wants.
pankkake: existing init systems are complicated too
Azelphur: kakobrekla: I ain't no sheep :)
kakobrekla: why you looking to get cut then
mircea_popescu: pankkake you know i don't got a call on the topic. so they're complicated, yes. no argument there.
Azelphur: kakobrekla: because I need food? :P
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: And the mp's of yesteryear exalt blogs so much!
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla do you mean sheared ?
kakobrekla: sheep it is.
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kakobrekla: dude im trolling from my bed, give me some slack
mircea_popescu: would you like schlitz on your slacks ?
kakobrekla: double.
mircea_popescu: btw, anyone seen these wonderful girl pants with a proper zipper ? going from the front all around to two inches over her tailbone ?
chetty: ouch
mircea_popescu: chetty apparently you zip it with your left hand in cupping your bits lol
BingoBoingo: I'm drinking a bottle of Missouri wine, of course I would rahter suck shclitz out of denim
chetty: not just zipping, walk around even would be not nice
BingoBoingo: pankkake: Init must always be complicated, no reason to steal its knobs
pankkake: what does that even mean?
mircea_popescu: pankkake complicated/simple is orthogonal to scripted/binary.
BingoBoingo: pankkake: Because the Linux standard base lets me use a runlevel 4, systemd doesn't allow that
mircea_popescu: if the computer is the shirt, and initd is a tie and systemd is a bowtie, me saying that it's not as easy to hang someone by his bowtie is not answered by your proposition that ties can get stained too. sure, they can, but we were discussing hanging not disembowelment.
pankkake: I use OpenRC which have namespaces and binaries, is that evil too?
pankkake: nevermind that's it's widely more usable
pankkake: it must NEVER CHANGE
pankkake: I suppose you guys are using HAL too
BingoBoingo: OpenRC is like initd
mircea_popescu: pankkake but listen, openrc isn't trying to take over my computer.
pankkake: what does that even mean?
BingoBoingo: Bowties are fine
pankkake: fucking riddles
BingoBoingo: Pianowire if you tell me it is a bowtie is not fine
mircea_popescu: what do you mean riddles!
BingoBoingo: Is the melodic theme from the Godfather a riddle, I'm drunk enough to think I can play that on my euphonium
mircea_popescu: pankkake and in spite of the technical angle, what stinks to high heavens to me is the political angle. so gnome decides to not be dependent on systemd in 2012, then in 2013 they make it a de-facto dependency. because... heh. because why ?
mircea_popescu: it's clearly being pushed, and that will make people with a working head suspicious these days.
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BingoBoingo: There are reasons when people persent to me that they use or recommend gnome I suppose they are surrounde with the tools of 2003
mircea_popescu: "we designed systemd with security in mind" << by now this is pretty much usable as-is, might as well be a protein binding site for pathogens.
mircea_popescu: Yes, systemd is fast (A pretty complete userspace boot-up in ~900ms, anyone?) << yeah ? since I dunno, 1995 ? i've always took the system apart if it needed more than a second.
mircea_popescu: it's what it gets to boot. a second.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> "we designed systemd with security in mind" << by now this is pretty much usable as-is, might as well be a protein binding site for pathogens. << Why not a still moar precarious binging site for understood drugs?
mircea_popescu: cuz it's evil, that's why.
mircea_popescu: "systemd certainly comes with a learning curve. Everything does. However, we like to believe that it is actually simpler to understand systemd than a Shell-based boot for most people. Surprised we say that? Well, as it turns out, Shell is not a pretty language to learn, it's syntax is arcane and complex. systemd unit files are substantially easier to understand, they do not expose a programming language, but are simple
mircea_popescu: and declarative by nature. That all said, if you are experienced in shell, then yes, adopting systemd will take a bit of learning."
mircea_popescu: no see... he's making all the wrong arguments.
Luke-Jr: even I think systemd is crap
BingoBoingo: Take GABA A as an example, very well understood
Azelphur: Everyone is talking about systemd, and I'm just sitting here using runit which nobody knows about.
mircea_popescu: but srsly, it's easier to understand "For most people" ? like easier than what, like easier than it was for that stupid broad whatever her name was to understand that claiming "fake" on a bunch of pics showing her dressed with her tongue sticking out ain't gonna work ?
BingoBoingo: A large number of drugs specifically target GABA A
pankkake: he actually refered to what it was easier to learn
BingoBoingo: And no drug that specifically targets GABA A can efficiently cause death in an overdose
pankkake: I have written inits for systemd, debian, and openrc. have you?
mircea_popescu: only debian.
mircea_popescu: and taking a charitable view of "written"
BingoBoingo: Introduce something other than a benzodiazepine though...
BingoBoingo: And then a single molecule of ETOH opens the cholirde channel too wide, death.
BingoBoingo: !up Diablo_D3
BingoBoingo: !up diana_coman
diana_coman: thanks BingoBoingo
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mircea_popescu: i mean, he defends against "monolithic" on the grounds of the binary file being split into 69 separate bits. mkay.
BingoBoingo: I mean people here get into pissing matches on hardware, who has really check out their wetware?
mircea_popescu: then he answers complexity and bloat by claiming... it's monolithic.
mircea_popescu: tyvm but i don't enjoy listening to liars that are THAT BAD at it.
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BingoBoingo: Look, the way Bitcoin regulation works is my TI-89 was my favorite computer loving ass said the systemd war is over and initd won. Give it time to stew, but that's the fina word.
BingoBoingo: *final
BingoBoingo: Now if GNU Hurd was a useful thing in 1991... systemd might be a thing.
BingoBoingo: Now though it it just a red hat/nigbuntu annoyance
BingoBoingo: The point is that to call systemd a lost cause I need not be important at all
BingoBoingo: per <Luke-Jr> even I think systemd is crap
mircea_popescu: 19. Myth: systemd forces you to do something. systemd is not the mafia. It's Free Software, you can do with it whatever you want, and that includes not using it. That's pretty much the opposite of "forcing". << lol ok, that's about the most disingenuous thing i read today. you know what else is free software ? BITCOIN!!!
mircea_popescu: and it also doesn't force you to... oh... wait.
BingoBoingo: Systemd distros can go back to the jungle and fuck chimps.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: we call this 'добровольно- принудительно' ('voluntary-compulsory')
BingoBoingo: Systemd is over
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if enemy died when you said 'bang! yer dead' life'd be a lot simpler, yes.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I've never know not that to be the case.
mircea_popescu: nah, it's not gonna be over for a while yet. it has... well not so much traction, but plenty o' support.
BingoBoingo: Bra's get support
mircea_popescu: mansiere!
mircea_popescu: Myth: systemd makes it impossible to run syslog. >> Not true, we carefully made sure when we introduced the journal that all data is also passed on to any syslog daemon running. In fact, if something changed, then only that syslog gets more complete data now than it got before, since we now cover early boot stuff as well as STDOUT/STDERR of any system service.
BingoBoingo: systemd gets a kilogram of brass. The niggers behind it can decide if the brass is shaped into hammers or bullets.
mircea_popescu: this is kind-of bizarre. so, ok, syslogd gets whatever systemd feels like passing along. why is this useful and to whom
BingoBoingo: Either way the brass isn't going to spark, because that's just what brass does.
pankkake: we now cover early boot stuff as well as STDOUT/STDERR of any system service => since again I am the only one here who actually used the things, this is absolutely crucial
mircea_popescu: o look, there's #systemd
pankkake: daemon crashes, the output goes nowhere
mircea_popescu: pankkake that's a good thing, granted.
mircea_popescu: i'll take a bet you're not the only guy here that ever used the things, for any value of things tho.
pankkake: that's what the log points to
mircea_popescu: lol "No, it can't read mail...yet". a sense o' humor never hurt anyone.
BingoBoingo: <sztanpet> cool, now that its un-prefixed from systemd people are meant to use it anyway so might as well make it useful :D
BingoBoingo: ^^ Nigga speak
pankkake: and as a Gentoo user I don't feel "trapped" so no delusion one way or the other
BingoBoingo: pankkake: Anything that gives me less knobs than a mid 80's GUI is hell
pankkake: care to describe the "knobs"?
BingoBoingo: pankkake: Runlevel4
mircea_popescu: "We regularly attend various conferences, to collect feedback, to explain what we are doing and why, like few others do." << intereskin.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo what are you so fixated on that anyway. what's it do for you ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: In the linux standard base it is a user defined runlevel
mircea_popescu: anything other than 0 1 and what was it, 7.
BingoBoingo: Oh, just anything you care to force upon your boxen
pankkake: so you want your one custom integer runlevel compared to an infinity of named runlevels?
BingoBoingo: pankkake: Yes, because that one runlevel can represent itself aleph sub 0 runlevels
mircea_popescu: For example, systems running systemd now generally store their hostname in /etc/hostname, something that used to be specific to Debian and now is used across distributions. << holy hell that took half a century.
BingoBoingo: If you pretend systemd lives on an arch that can count aleph sub one possibilities Imma take my dick out and correct in in the traditional chinese sense
mircea_popescu: Myth: systemd's use of D-Bus instead of sockets makes it intransparent. This claim is already contradictory in itself: D-Bus uses sockets as transport, too. Hence whenever D-Bus is used to send something around, a socket is used for that too. D-Bus is mostly a standardized serialization of messages to send over these sockets. If anything this makes it more transparent, since this serialization is well documented, under
mircea_popescu: stood and there are numerous tracing tools and language bindings for it. This is very much unlike the usual homegrown protocols the various classic UNIX daemons use to communicate locally.
mircea_popescu: now that's a good fucking point, jesus it took a while to get to one.
BingoBoingo: As there is no uncountably infinite 0x in computing machines, there may be a lot of rapin to do to correct everybody.
BingoBoingo: Thankfully viagra is not a controlled sunstance
BingoBoingo: *substance
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BingoBoingo: systemd has 24 months to learn the silence that the spring lambs can't
BingoBoingo: In 25 months starfish bleed
mircea_popescu: http://0pointer.net/blog/revisiting-how-we-put-together-linux-systems.html << lengthy story (from the guy that earlier claimed they're not a cabal, of course) explaining how the future of linux is being windows.
assbot: Revisiting How We Put Together Linux Systems
mircea_popescu: the best quote in there,
mircea_popescu: "The classic Linux distribution scheme is frequently not what end users want, either. Many users are used to app markets like Android, Windows or iOS/Mac have. "
assbot: total_product_recall comments on Nakamoto Institute Scam?
mircea_popescu: well, this has been an informative adventure into how the modern day macdonalds location manager lives and breathes, but i guess i've had enough.
BingoBoingo: Amazing thing is most of Android's libc comes from OpenBSD in spite of the Linux kernel
BingoBoingo: Or COlnel
BingoBoingo: Whatever the chicken licking niggas do now a days
pankkake: there's no libc in the linux kernel…
BingoBoingo: But to compile it?
mircea_popescu: pankkake saywut ?! glibc ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Join systemd again.
pankkake: it doesn't provide one
BingoBoingo: I want someone to measure how long I can spout truth/crazy
pankkake: nor does bionic come from openbsd
pankkake: this whole discussion is such a joke
BingoBoingo: !up providers36
mircea_popescu: pankkake you mean like, separate from the gnu ?
mircea_popescu: if memory serves they tried and failed in the 90s.
pankkake: tried what?
mircea_popescu: a glibc forc
BingoBoingo: So... systemd chan might not have someone capable of banning me
assbot: Android's C Library Has 173 Files of Unchanged OpenBSD Code
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.18 = 0.72 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: !up mapop
BingoBoingo: Trolling #systemd is like slaughtering lemmings
Azelphur: Trolling is for people who don't have important things like code to write :P
assbot: dpaste: 23ZA2W6
mircea_popescu: eh what are you bothering people for.
Azelphur: BingoBoingo: haha, small world, I know Raydiation in person :)
BingoBoingo: <BingoBoingo> Systemd is the devil
BingoBoingo: <dreisner> sure it is. but not for any of the reasons that you can come up with.
BingoBoingo: <zdzichu> BingoBoingo: so go and ignore systemd
BingoBoingo: <zdzichu> linux is mostly opensource, you are free to do whatever you want
BingoBoingo: <BingoBoingo> zdzichu: No until you stop insisting all the world make systemd a dependency. Stop making my niggers pick your cotton!!!
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I b0other them so the know their hitpoints later
mircea_popescu: you're not even doing a good jbo of it, this is like the weakest sauce trolling ever
mircea_popescu: <thrice> he sounds a lot like this hacker, '4chan,' I read about on the news yesterday << lmao.
BingoBoingo: But it has great predictive value
BingoBoingo: Who knows? Maybe now that the FBI has seen it it stops liking systemd?
BingoBoingo: I mean chicoms
BingoBoingo: Everywhere
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BingoBoingo: !up providers36
providers36: thanks
BingoBoingo: The sad thing about systemd is that even though red hat made it, ubuntu will fork it just because, and it will die. No serious intervention ought be necessary for this Hearnia
assbot: Wes Welker Suspended Four Games For Amphetamines (And Maybe Molly, Too)
BingoBoingo: Wes Welker is sytemd
BingoBoingo: <Azelphur> BingoBoingo: haha, small world, I know Raydiation in person :) << Let them know it isn't about them. It is Microsoft.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: you ever play dwarf fortress
thestringpuller: ;;later tell nubbins` just roll it like a blunt
gribble: The operation succeeded.
thestringpuller: ;;google cracked dwarf fortress
gribble: Dwarf Fortress | Cracked.com: <http://www.cracked.com/funny-6021-dwarf-fortress/>; xkcd • View topic - You gotta get into Dwarf Fortress if you haven ...: <http://forums.xkcd.com/viewtopic.php?t=19469&p=3300100>; How To Get Into Dwarf Fortress | Press X or Die: <http://pressxordie.com/2011/08/01/how-to-get-into-dwarf-fortress/>
assbot: Nearly Half Of Young Women In The U.K. Don't Know Where Their Vagina Is
BingoBoingo: No wonder why moiety starved
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41200 @ 0.00084339 = 34.7477 BTC [-] {2}
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35300 @ 0.00084281 = 29.7512 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: Hey /digitalocean - how about you support me? My users are ready!
mircea_popescu: i had nfi digital ocean was a small startup.
mircea_popescu: why not digitalpuddle then. lake, soemthing.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo here's something for when you wake up. http://trilema.com/2010/lawrence-alma-tadema/
assbot: Lawrence Alma-Tadema pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust <Kernel_Killer>
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user <Kernel_Killer>: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=%3CKernel_Killer%3E | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=%3CKernel_Killer%3E | Rated since: never
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust Kernel_Killer
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user Kernel_Killer: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=Kernel_Killer | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Kernel_Killer | Rated since: never
RagnarDanneskjol: !up RagnarsBitch
jurov: ;;later tell Azelphur did you see http://explo.yt/post/2014/08/23/First-impressions-from-ownCloud ? i have serious issues with both calendar and contacts
assbot: First impressions of ownCloud - serialized delusions
gribble: The operation succeeded.
TheNewDeal: ;;Later tell nubbins' flat pack it. Give me an address to send to
gribble: The operation succeeded.
[]bot: Bet placed: 10 BTC for Yes on "BTC Difficulty over 31Bn before October" http://bitbet.us/bet/1028/ Odds: 88(Y):12(N) by coin, 85(Y):15(N) by weight. Total bet: 50.48191626 BTC. Current weight: 49,533.
artifexd: ;;later tell nubbins` Flat pack it. Shall I send the extra to the same address?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
pete_on_the_balt: might take me a while to parse through all dem logs.
pete_on_the_balt: forgive me if i start quoting shit that's 3 days past prime
pete_on_the_balt: ;;nethash
gribble: 209787434.975
thestringpuller: maybe you should stop using boats
thestringpuller: and instead use airplaines
pete_on_the_balt: lol who me, use boats?
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thestringpuller: lol in 2030 i'll probably be dead
thestringpuller: or in cryofreeze
pete_on_the_balt: i dunno, if you beat cancer once or twice, i'm sure you'll be there
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16931 @ 0.00084797 = 14.357 BTC [+]
assbot: Things You Learn Designing Porn Banners for a Living | VICE United Kingdom
thestringpuller: I'd rather just go into Cryofreeze and wake up in the year 3000
thestringpuller: how endearing...
thestringpuller: mod6: JEEZY'S NEW ALBUM DROPPED!!!!!
thestringpuller: damn this album is sick
pete_on_the_balt: gotta run for nao, hopefully i'll be back again before long :)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 161 @ 0.00439999 = 0.7084 BTC [+] {3}
TheNewDeal: Later tell nubbins` ditto what articles said
TheNewDeal: ;;Later tell nubbins´ ditto what artifexd said
gribble: Error: That is an invalid IRC nick. Please check your input.
TheNewDeal: ;;Later tell nubbins` ditto what artifexd said
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28900 @ 0.0008403 = 24.2847 BTC [-] {3}
kuzetsa: geez, it's kinda crappy that a game that's been around since 1999 still sometimes have NPCs in one of the main areas which like... interracting with the NPC is bugged, and instantly crashes the game client 100% of the time
kuzetsa: this time, as a test I tried a nearby vendor (no crash) then went back to the one I had problems with and it was reproducable & crashed yet again
chetty: guess it is not being maintained, what game is it?
kuzetsa: no, it's totally being maintained, and the 21st expansion is due out 4th quarter 2014 (october, tentatively)
kuzetsa: everquest
kuzetsa: which I believe is like... the original MMORPG ever or something like that
kuzetsa: oh... maybe not -- this one was around first, and you had to use a dial-up modem to directly connect to it because basically nobody had interent connections in 1992 ---> http://i.imgur.com/35lSTcU.jpg
kuzetsa: "[...] for as little as $1.80 per hour"
kuzetsa: O_O
chetty: haha I played everquest some looong ago. There were MMORPG before it, just not 3d
thestringpuller: kuzetsa: ultima online was tecnically the first
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17050 @ 0.00083978 = 14.3182 BTC [-]
kuzetsa: thestringpuller: how do you figure? wasn't ultima online 1997? the thing I linked was 1992
thestringpuller: first one to charge
thestringpuller: doo doo do dooo
kuzetsa: uhhh...
kuzetsa: the 1992 one I linked was "$1.80 per hour
kuzetsa: http://i.imgur.com/35lSTcU.jpg <-- yes, really (that's an old magazine advert for it)
punkman: MUDs were around long before 1992
thestringpuller: apparently 1985 was the first mmo
thestringpuller: Island of Kesmai
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 475.81, Best ask: 477.38, Bid-ask spread: 1.57000, Last trade: 477.38, 24 hour volume: 5194.73819791, 24 hour low: 471.0, 24 hour high: 479.57, 24 hour vwap: 0
gribble: What do you think I am, a shell?
jurov: ;;laserkittens
gribble: ุ ₍˄.͡˳̫.˄₎ ุ ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew*
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 534 @ 0.00189958 = 1.0144 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: ;;laserkittens
gribble: ุ ₍˄.͡˳̫.˄₎ ุ ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew*
thestringpuller: tha's adorable
thestringpuller: ;;lasers
gribble: ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*
thestringpuller: ;;kittens
gribble: ุ ₍˄.͡˳̫.˄₎ ุ .･( meow! )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17513 @ 0.00084198 = 14.7456 BTC [+]
kuzetsa: kesmai eh?
kuzetsa: thestringpuller: that was way before my time, I would've been like four
kuzetsa: also, I didn't know how to type very well yet at that age (or even spell)
thestringpuller: i would have been a sperm
thestringpuller: acutally I wouldn't have even been a sperm
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16050 @ 0.00084593 = 13.5772 BTC [+]
Azelphur: jurov: interesting, the Calendar is on the edge of being replaced by a complete rewrite, so maybe it'll solve some stuff for you
Azelphur: I haven't really played with contacts yet
lobbes: ;;google sperm lifespan
gribble: Sperm: How Long Sperm Live, Sperm Count, and More - WebMD: <http://www.webmd.com/infertility-and-reproduction/guide/sperm-and-semen-faq>; How long can sperm live in a woman or in fertile cervical fluid?: <http://www.early-pregnancy-tests.com/sperm.html>; Sperm life span - Mayo Clinic: <http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-living/getting-pregnant/expert-answers/pregnancy/faq-20058504>
kuzetsa: haha indeed
kuzetsa: but really though, sperm are produced less than a year before they die
kuzetsa: so as far as genetic material, the "destined to be you" genetic material already in existance was likely the egg (ovaries start off with all the eggs they'll ever have, and just stay dormant except during a cycle)
thestringpuller: i just wanna go home and learn to play dwarf fortress
cazalla: kuzetsa, are you playing project 99?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21712 @ 0.00084001 = 18.2383 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 472.54, Best ask: 473.95, Bid-ask spread: 1.41000, Last trade: 473.78, 24 hour volume: 4830.36694909, 24 hour low: 471.0, 24 hour high: 477.99, 24 hour vwap: 0
TheNewDeal: ;;laeter tell nubbins` was that it??
gribble: Error: "laeter" is not a valid command.
TheNewDeal: ;;later tell nubbins` was that it??
gribble: The operation succeeded.
kuzetsa: [17:42:40] <+cazalla> kuzetsa, are you playing project 99? << oh sorry, I was ingame (everquest... and no, I don't even know what project 99 is)
cazalla: kuzetsa, it's classic type server, expansions slowly roll out
cazalla: perfect if you're of the idea that the game went to shit after velious (greatest expansion ever)
cazalla: have you played archeage yet?
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu s.nsa chronicle - sent.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38138 @ 0.00084334 = 32.1633 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: MolokoDesk +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
BingoBoingo: !up MolokoDesk
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