assbot: ghtufjfjgjj comments on A Law Enforcement Encounter: If you ran a Bitcoin related service before the thing hit $100 you prolly ought to be somewhat concerned and/or prepared
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atcbot: [PityThePool Hashrate]: 586.41 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.48 TH/s
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 505.3, Best ask: 506.37, Bid-ask spread: 1.07000, Last trade: 505.26, 24 hour volume: 5294.87896913, 24 hour low: 496.79, 24 hour high: 506.98, 24 hour vwap: 502.965397866
BingoBoingo: I've come up with another theory... What if the government just wants to drive me crazier
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12050 @ 0.00069266 = 8.3466 BTC [+]
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: you gotta get out of the states, man.
BingoBoingo: If I hurry out not I'd probably find myself zipping into a duffel bag before taking a shower or something. Gotta let boredom encompass first.
BingoBoingo: You have to realize the most recent blog post was the most rational of possible self defense measures.
BingoBoingo: Any impression I might be intentionally hiding the connection between myself and my slave name specifically from law enforcement is gone.
BingoBoingo may have read too much W.E.B. Dubois in grad school
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8843 @ 0.00069315 = 6.1295 BTC [+] {3}
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 25737909372.3 based on data since last change | 24383282753.5 based on data for last three days
gribble: Current Blocks: 317512 | Current Difficulty: 2.38446700388033E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 318527 | Next Difficulty In: 1015 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 3 hours, 32 minutes, and 57 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 25737909372.3 | Estimated Percent Change: 7.93988
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1000 @ 0.00082077 = 0.8208 BTC [+] {4}
stripykitteh: I'm a small-time btc investor. I know (by reputation mostly) some of the regulars here. I was just wanting to see if one of them is active at the moment.
stripykitteh: Just trying to touch base, but it's not urgent.
gribble: ThickAsThieves was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 7 hours, 3 minutes, and 28 seconds ago: <ThickAsThieves> distracted
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 901 @ 0.00357458 = 3.2207 BTC [-] {8}
BingoBoingo: Just got the email in "[Slashdot] Your Slashdot submission is on the front page! Early Bitcoin User Interviewed By Federal Officers"
BingoBoingo: If anyone wants to ride the impending wave of traffic
BingoBoingo: Not sure how I like the editor retitling me to an "early Bitcoin user"
BingoBoingo: But maybe next year the cutt off for an early user is exposure before $100
TheNewDeal: im not seeing it front page for the moment
TheNewDeal: it's not a general thing like you think
assbot: Early Bitcoin User Interviewed By Federal Officers - Slashdot
TheNewDeal: it's subjective, and relative to the age distribution in our environment
TheNewDeal: and bitcoin age is like reverse exponential. even a few months of exposure at the very beginning set you light years ahead of people like myself
BingoBoingo: Well, a lot of it too is the pain of not holding onto the things early enough
BingoBoingo: I'm going to take a walk up to the gas station and see if the conversation there turns out any better than reddit
assbot: SoylentNews: SoylentNews is people
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62131 @ 0.00069135 = 42.9543 BTC [-] {3}
Vexual: thats the most interesting thing ive read for a while
pankkake: BingoBoingo what eventful day?
BingoBoingo: pankkake: Oh, the FBI, treasury department. In my front yard.
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell ben_vulpes What about soylent news?
pankkake: supposed slashdot competitor, comments aren't very good either
Vexual: what did they look like? siezing coins is easy or oh fuck it's not ross?
BingoBoingo: Eh, they looked like two dudes in polo shirts dressed for golf
pankkake: I knew it. I never trusted guys in polo shirts
BingoBoingo: So about 300 hits from the /. in the first hour according to Wordpress
Vexual: niki minaj eat your heart out
pankkake: can't the guy send you a letter instead of showing up unnatended?
BingoBoingo: pankkake: Well it was two guys. An FBI agent and a department of the Treasury agent
BingoBoingo: But yes, a letter or GPG signed email would be prefered
Vexual: that wouldn't have scared you into behaving in court
BingoBoingo: Well
http://van-ads.com/venues shows only 0.01666 bid so far for advertising on the site today, and most of Murica is still asleep so... If anyone wants to hit that market...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29973 @ 0.00069051 = 20.6967 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6877 @ 0.0006902 = 4.7465 BTC [-]
assbot: LaurentMT/bargaining_protocol GitHub
assbot: [PoC][Draft] The Bargaining Protocol (when BIP70 met the Bazaar)
[]bot: Bet placed: 3.08800157 BTC for Yes on "Under 15% difficulty increase before 2015"
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pankkake: lol, what's the point of this bet
Vexual: its a bet that bitfury wont get handed another $20 million by nye
Vexual: ;;google 45dd silicone
Vexual: mr avalon himslef is back hashing at ozcoin,theres hashes coming verywheres
Vexual: that haz my karma index up
gribble: truffles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 19 weeks, 3 days, 12 hours, 44 minutes, and 42 seconds ago: <truffles> tell me when the experiment is over
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45850 @ 0.00068988 = 31.631 BTC [-] {2}
Vexual: sure as shit the guy has some capital losses
assbot: Schneier on Security: The Problems with PGP
assbot: Blog Stphane Bortzmeyer: Scurit, facilit d'usage, et les utilisateurs non-informaticiens
pankkake: some of my pet peeves, that the issue with security and encryption won't be solved by magical dumbed down GUIs
atcbot: No data returned from CoinMiner.net
atcbot: [PityThePool Hashrate]: 852.12 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.15 TH/s
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: lol slave name u so dramatic << made me lol too.
mircea_popescu: stripykitteh: I'm a small-time btc investor. I know (by reputation mostly) some of the regulars here. I was just wanting to see if one of them is active at the moment. <<< with a name like that, you know what i thought she wants. but then, imagine my surprise when a twist appears!
mircea_popescu: Vexual "you're not a little behind to us ; you're a large one" :D
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: Just got the email in "[Slashdot] Your Slashdot submission is on the front page! Early Bitcoin User Interviewed By Federal Officers" <<< if you had a podcast and made slashdot fp two times less, you'd practically be antonopopo guy.
mircea_popescu: pankkake: I knew it. I never trusted guys in polo shirts << i never trust women wearing panties.
mircea_popescu: pankkake re the article, which is not bad if banal (sure, ease of use is completely orthogonal to the discussion , big whoop) the one question in my mind is why write in french if all the sources one quotes are in english.
pankkake: he wrote some articles in English, I don't think they had much following. I suppose it's because of the existing (significant) readership
mircea_popescu: but then... he shoul;d prolly translate the references ?
mircea_popescu: how are these people going to understand wtf is the context if they cant read english.
mircea_popescu: (don't mind me, it's like a point i've been doing a lot of thinking on so i guess oversensitized)
pankkake: it's more of a silly prideful refusal to read things in English. but since they started reading the main article, they might read the links
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo lol at the b-a haters making throwaway reddit accts to shit on your post. THIS IS HOW TO WIN!
mircea_popescu: There once was a bishop from Birmingham who deflowered young girls while confirming 'em. As they knelt on the hassock he lifted his cassock and slipped his episcopal worm in 'em.
mircea_popescu: There once was a clergyman's daughter who detested the pony he bought her 'till she found that its dong was as hard and as long as the prayers her father had taught her.
Vexual: regailing his life to his offsping
Vexual: a deadman was making an offering
mircea_popescu: These scions of the Noble House Kelley lived their whole life belly to belly because in their haste they used library paste instead of petroleum jelly.
Vexual: he got haldway through
mircea_popescu: There once was a Duchess of Bruges whose cunt was unspeakably huge. Said the duke to this dame as he thunderously came: "Mon Dieu! Apres moi, le deluge!"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19740 @ 0.00069193 = 13.6587 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: There once was a fencer named Fisk whose speed was incredibly brisk. So fast was his action the Fitzgerald contraction foreshortened his foil to a disk.
Vexual waves his log for no reson whatsohaveyou
Vexual: ejrtr do you find these gems?
Vexual: and what rhymes with offering?
Vexual: he said nah tin lids, im just jesting
mircea_popescu: There once was a gangster named Brown, the sneakiest bastard in town.He was caught by G-men shooting his semen where the cops would slip and fall down. << should be on bingoboingo's prison cell.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7810 @ 0.00069425 = 5.4221 BTC [+]
Vexual: laser scanner, 3d printer, latex: $2500
Vexual: passing bad check with the cop who hasseled you face: pricless
mircea_popescu: There once was a girl named Irene who snarfed up distilled kerosene, but she found a good bargain on a new hydrocarbon and since then she's never benzene.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4500 @ 0.00069127 = 3.1107 BTC [-]
Vexual: while patiently waiting to travel
Vexual: an asset'er dint unravel
mircea_popescu: There once was a girl named Louise whose cunt hair hung down to her knees. The crabs in her twat tied the hairs in a knot an' reached fame on the flying trapeze.
mircea_popescu: There once was a girl named Mcgoffin who was diddled amazingly often. She was diddled by scores who'd been turned down by whores and then laid out to waste in her coffin.
Vexual: polo maleets repla-ced by gavels
mircea_popescu: There once was a she named Priscilla whose vagina was flavored vanilla. The taste was so fine man and beast stood in line of a lick at this fabled chinchilla.
mircea_popescu: There was once a lawyer named Rex known for his diminutive sex. On arraign for exposure he maintained his composure : "De minimis non curat lex."
mircea_popescu: There once was a man from Nantucket who kept all his cash in a bucket. His daughter called Nan ran away with a man and as for the bucket... Nantucket.
mircea_popescu: There was once a miner named Dave who kept a dead whore in his cave. She was ugly as shit and missing one tit, but think of the money he saves!
mircea_popescu: There once was a sad Maitre d'Hotel who said, "They can all go to hell! What they do to my wife...why, it ruins my life! And the worst is they all do it well."
mircea_popescu: There once was a son of a bitch, neither clever, nor handsome, nor rich. Yet the girls he would dazzle and fuck to a frazzle, and then ditch them, the son of a bitch!
Vexual: jow many cougars did you ruin today?
Vexual: hiw much to shit to rural oz from rural canadia?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15400 @ 0.00068854 = 10.6035 BTC [-] {2}
Vexual: one foot on the grounded ery time
Vexual: a cuntess describ-ed by vitrue
Vexual: whose diamonds wheres purplish and blue
Vexual: went to the wrong house
Vexual: but exploded and took with her a few
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3752 @ 0.000688 = 2.5814 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1000 @ 0.00075001 = 0.75 BTC [+] {3}
Vexual: dtones no longer safe on earth, war is coming
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16398 @ 0.0006872 = 11.2687 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 805 @ 0.0008225 = 0.6621 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: punkman what do you mean "we" anyway ? you're not greek are you ?
mircea_popescu: well that changes things, i was derping with the squiggly letters in like articles and whatnot on the general understanding that nobody knows wtf they are.
punkman: lots of them in the unicodes
assbot: String Latéral Flash Rouge Alter
punkman: is that oriya? irc client don't have enough font for it
Vexual: mine doeth but i can read it
punkman: don't think this cut works for underwear
Vexual: dont need it in the pradesh
mircea_popescu: punkman i mean literally, athletes 3500 years ago wore the exact garment.
mircea_popescu: well there were a number of cock dispositions, mostly consisting on tying it to one side somehow
mircea_popescu: actually skirts were not really invented either. it was either this or wear a sheet.
assbot: String Latéral Flash Argent Alter
Vexual: sheet then, but im thinking of today, not 3000 yago
punkman: mircea_popescu: they did a lot of sport in the nude afaik
mircea_popescu: well yes, but you still gotta do something with the dangly.
assbot: BitBet - Under 15% difficulty increase before 2015 :: 3.15 B (99%) on Yes, 0.04 B (1%) on No | closing in 4 months 2 days | weight: 99`765 (100`000 to 1)
Vexual: moriarty fuck you arsehat
Vexual: ill spoon feed you kaka
Apocalyptic: Vexual, is he still spamming his channel in pm ?
Vexual: no, that was for the other day
assbot: Omar Faruk Tekbilek - Whirling Dervish - YouTube
Vexual: what follows cannot be forgiven
Vexual: ;;google alibaba mean tenderiser injectavle
assbot: Ukraine says Russian forces cross border in tanks, armored vehicles - The Washington Post
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32151 @ 0.00069085 = 22.2115 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: chetty unless they start crossing in frigates and submarines, they've crossed it in everything by now.
chetty: someone should write an obit for the ukraine
mircea_popescu: this is only the... hm. 5th time it's divvied up by greedy neighbours ?
Vexual: wait till south china sea blows up
Vexual: rocks with fish can cause wars
assbot: Platforma unui posibil partid conservator roman pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: guy put his message through gt, ended up rendering Hello I am David Chambers as Hello I am David Rooms.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.2879 = 0.5758 BTC [-]
Vexual: i mean that in the nicest way
antonosika: mircea, I have been too busy to follow the updates on ethereum, but I feel like finishing what I started. How do you feel about a 2015 delivery contract?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8349 @ 0.00069281 = 5.7843 BTC [+]
Vexual: shes not chasing you for moeny
assbot: This Bank Choked Off 3 Legal Enterprises. Is It Yours?
ThickAsThieves: mircea_popescu do you think it's worth legally pursuing kate-craig over these BTCTC bonds she's not honored?
Vexual: thats the shittiest bank ive ever heard of
Vexual: you'd need a third kinda lawyer
ThickAsThieves: well suntrust is southerners i think, they hate everything that happened after the 80s
jurov: kakobrekla lol where's it from? SAP?
antonosika: Mircea is it officially best to have all communication here in the chat for transparency?
Vexual: you what yo ulike antonia
antonosika: As you might have noticed my abilities on keeping up with irc are very lacking.
assbot: Exchange war: list of crypto-exchanges
Vexual: ok coin changed 130000 bc for old money in the last 24 hours?
Vexual: yeah peole are well aware they might make off with te coin
Vexual: im not isis, im just being realistic
mircea_popescu: <ThickAsThieves> mircea_popescu do you think it's worth legally pursuing kate-craig over these BTCTC bonds she's not honored? <<< generally getting judgements against deadbeats is not productive.
mircea_popescu: chetty what's "legal" mean ? it's a police state, if the govt don't like you you're illegal, full stop.
mircea_popescu: silenceisdefeat.com ? holy shit, bangalore marketplaces must have won.
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 510.0, Best ask: 510.93, Bid-ask spread: 0.93000, Last trade: 510.01, 24 hour volume: 6092.61347852, 24 hour low: 499.0, 24 hour high: 512.0, 24 hour vwap: 505.970175212
Vexual: i could drop by on my way to turkey to take my bride
gribble: Nick 'antonosika', with hostmask 'antonosika!uid31762@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vzvixbctpbfdyksw', is not identified.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47500 @ 0.0006887 = 32.7133 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: paleh0rse comments on A Law Enforcement Encounter: If you ran a Bitcoin related service before the thing hit $100 you prolly ought to be somewhat concerned and/or prepared
Vexual: bingo dont bullshit much
mircea_popescu: escort fucking services ? who is this nigger, a graft between everything johnson and carter had objectionable between them ?!
Vexual: he gonna swear on his wot, not the bible
gribble: Error: "gpg" is not a valid command.
assbot: antonosika +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
chetty: <mircea_popescu> escort fucking services ? who is this nigger, a graft between everything johnson and carter had objectionable between them ?!// hmm what happened to the gun shops and churches?
gribble: Nick 'antonosika', with hostmask 'antonosika!uid31762@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vzvixbctpbfdyksw', is identified as user 'antonosika', with GPG key id 86AC5789F93ED2E7, key fingerprint 71A1EC4E1B6C7DD853FD856C86AC5789F93ED2E7, and bitcoin address None
antonosika: mircea I hope you apoligize me as a learning beginner.
ThickAsThieves: <+mircea_popescu> generally getting judgements against deadbeats is not productive. /// that has been my position so far. "worth it" would be getting the bonds redeemed for the bitcoins, or getting a similarly valued pile of cash
pete_dushenski: also synonym for modafinil, "an oral drug that is used for improving wakefulness in patients with excessive sleepiness"
antonosika: mircea Please continue about how to proceed.
pete_dushenski: "He toss my salad like his name Romaine, And when we done, I make him buy me Balmain"
pete_dushenski: "I wanna see all the big fat ass bitches in the muthafuckin' club. Fuck you if you skinny bitches, what?! Kyuh"
Vexual: 20 million in 2 days aisnt no shit
Vexual: the one without her vid has 10 mill bit thats 2 motnhs
ThickAsThieves: <+Vexual> how much i sit? is she mining? /// roughly $70k. god knows.
Vexual: ltc gon south lately is that old money?
ThickAsThieves: ltc will copy btc during time of volatility and then die otherwise
ThickAsThieves: i still think chinese are running some kinda btcusd ltcbtc scheme
Vexual: is that your anal isis?
Vexual: cifermine is vetter off mining doge if they want bc
Vexual: i watch the rate make no mistake
Vexual: you're mainly concerned with the bond?
Vexual: ill bring my spreadsheets to court if you spoof my fingerprimts fpr a visa
assbot: first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki]
antonosika: I'm a huge fan of bitcoin-assets and try to hang out here when I can. What is really needed to get auto-voice?
Vexual: scriptness at your end
pankkake: ;;rate antonosika 1 bitcoin-assets +v
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user antonosika has been recorded.
pankkake: now you just have to /msg assbot !up
pete_dushenski: "People are freaking out on Burger King's Facebook page over the burger chain's moving its headquarters to Canada.
pete_dushenski: The American fast-food chain has agreed to merge with Canadian coffee and donut chain Tim Hortons."
antonosika: Are there any good resources for guidelines on giving away trust levels?
assbot: wot_and_reputation [bitcoin assets wiki]
pete_dushenski: Russia Wants Bulgarians to Stop Vandalizing Soviet Monuments... to look like American superheroes
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31000 @ 0.00068585 = 21.2614 BTC [-] {3}
Vexual: pankakke, things have changed
Vexual: 80 million hits really kick sthe llamas ass
Vexual: 15% all year is possible
Vexual: yeah big mebe big silicone
assbot: Blog Stphane Bortzmeyer: Scurit, facilit d'usage, et les utilisateurs non-informaticiens
Vexual: but if it went the other way i wouldnt be too sursprised
Vexual: these people lost the marshall auction
Vexual: however 15% in december will melt some inut vag
Vexual: well whoever is buting hasg
pete_dushenski: i think the marshall auction loozers invested in exchanges and things
pete_dushenski: there was that korean one, the mexican one, the indian one...
Vexual: korea gonna be playin elora soon
pete_dushenski: dunno. was talking about exchanges, payment processors, etc
pete_dushenski: i think the koreans will stick with starcraft for at least another 100 years
pete_dushenski: i don't blame them one bit either, it's not to be improved on
Vexual: how many korean play starcraft?
Vexual: 1% of those play shitty fuck on android too, its a big bad world
Vexual: i can dial up an multiplaey wad on my old nintendo and theres hundresds there
Flerb__: BTM's IPO just finished. Odd, buyers bidding really really low prices
Vexual: go back to denmark u horse fucker
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.58638980 BTC to 15`044 shares, 10545 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 9.61389968 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 836 satoshi per share
assbot: Flerb__ +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
fluffypony: oh no way - Richard Attenborough died yesterday
Flerb__: Thanks, how do I get to "level 2"
Flerb__: fluffypony, I thought it was David Attenborough at first
Flerb__: What do I have to do to establish trust with gribble?
fluffypony: L1 is a direct trust relationship with assbot
fluffypony: L2 is somebody-assbot-trusts-also-trusts-you
fluffypony: or someone assbot as rated would have to rate you
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HASH] 110 @ 0.005 = 0.55 BTC [-]
assbot: FBI issues warning about creative Google searches | CSO Online
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.285 = 1.425 BTC [-]
punkman: deego: But, really, this is not the only one issue. I have had so many attempts at id theft here and irl that it's annoying beyond belief and I just wish to frigging disappear from otc. So, please do remove my ratings, everyone. :)
Duffer1: i mean which one are you authed as?
Flerb: Are you supposed to actually do something to get trust?
Duffer1: ;;rate Flerb 1 a for effort
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user Flerb has been recorded.
Duffer1: you should be able to !up yourself now
Duffer1: just a comment so i don't forget why i rated you
ben_vulpes: damn BingoBoingo you're racking up the hits
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6497 @ 0.00068747 = 4.4665 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 54 @ 0.0370184 = 1.999 BTC [-] {6}
Flerb: Didn't need it now though
ben_vulpes: now that's programming with time as a first class principle!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 49 @ 0.04940815 = 2.421 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.00250591 = 0.5012 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 47 @ 0.27094569 = 12.7344 BTC [-] {10}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.2672 = 1.0688 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13775 @ 0.00068757 = 9.4713 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 20 @ 0.05 = 1 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1449 @ 0.00083251 = 1.2063 BTC [+] {9}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1707 @ 0.00085265 = 1.4555 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: Flerb +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1277 @ 0.000861 = 1.0995 BTC [-]
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jurov: antonosika: you do SEPA?
assbot: Flerb +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
danielpbarron: who is this preston byrne guy and is he in here already?
assbot: In which we teach basic reading comprehension to a certain Mr. Preston Byrne pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
BlueMeanie4: that whole gang of people are just making big problems
BlueMeanie4: they kicked Charles out of ethereum then announce a partnership with his other project
BlueMeanie4: also Mircea - you dont like Preston Bryne?
danielpbarron: might want to use a ;;later tell -- he's not logged in at the moment
BlueMeanie4: Vitalik was invovled in Mastercoin too, seems ppl forget that
danielpbarron: i never liked mastercoin; counterparty always seemed like the better choice (putting aside the idiocy of a decentralized exchange)
BlueMeanie4: the ppl at counterparty are at least reliable
BlueMeanie4: yes there are flaws with their ideas, but it can be used for some things
BlueMeanie4: yes their claims are reliable, which is important
BlueMeanie4: re. counterparty- they are blazing the trail- let them do it and spend someone else money :)
danielpbarron: the counterparty devs probably made out well with that project; the price of XCP is well over the initial burn price
BlueMeanie4: im sure they brought some in, it's not a crime
fluffypony: "After a whirlwind of bidding activity, a 9.0-graded copy of Action Comics #1 sold on eBay yesterday for a whopping $3.2-million, the most ever paid for a comic book"
assbot: Action Comics 1 June 1938 Superman 039 s Debut CGC 9 0 Perfect White Pages | eBay
fluffypony: that's going to be a fun PayPal dispute
gribble: BlueMeanie4, get in the WoT! (eregister <nick> <keyid>) -- Register your GPG identity, associating GPG key <keyid> with <nick>. <keyid> is a 16 digit key id, with or without the '0x' prefix. We look on servers listed in 'plugins.GPG.keyservers' config. You will be given a link to a page which contains a one time password encrypted with your key. Decrypt, and use the 'everify' (1 more message)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44550 @ 0.00068663 = 30.5894 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Is Coinroll the 3rd Van Customer, or have people other than Mircea and Myself been buying ads?
danielpbarron: ;;later tell nubbins` you accept PPUSD for payment?
danielpbarron: BlueMeanie4, whichever key-server is used as the default for gnupg (i think)
assbot: SKS OpenPGP Public Key Server
danielpbarron: at least, that's the one -otc references with ;;gpg info
danielpbarron: stupid assbot, this is the main part: "@danielpbarron I suspect I am beyond redemption on #bitcoin-assets. Send everyone my regards though."
gribble: BlueMeanie4, don't forget the ;;
gribble: Error: '0x51587535' is not a valid GPG key id. Please use the long form 16 digit key id.
gribble: Error: '51587535' is not a valid GPG key id. Please use the long form 16 digit key id.
danielpbarron: and leave out the 515... too; you want the last 16 or 8 characters
gribble: Error: '0x51587535' is not a valid GPG key id. Please use the long form 16 digit key id.
danielpbarron: the key id is the last 8 characters of the fingerprint
BlueMeanie4: the fingerprint is 1FD2 7380 0859 479E AE75 77AD DCB3 74BF 5158 7535
danielpbarron: so try this: ;;eregister BlueMeanie4 DCB374BF51587535
BlueMeanie4: ;;eregister BlueMeanie4 DCB374BF51587535 ;;
gribble: (eregister <nick> <keyid>) -- Register your GPG identity, associating GPG key <keyid> with <nick>. <keyid> is a 16 digit key id, with or without the '0x' prefix. We look on servers listed in 'plugins.GPG.keyservers' config. You will be given a link to a page which contains a one time password encrypted with your key. Decrypt, and use the 'everify' command with it. Your passphrase will (1 more message)
gribble: Error: Could not retrieve your key from keyserver. Either it isn't there, or it is invalid.
assbot: SKS OpenPGP Public Key Server
gribble: Error: '51587535' is not a valid GPG key id. Please use the long form 16 digit key id.
TheNewDeal: There once was a she named Priscilla whose vagina was flavored vanilla. The taste was so fine man and beast stood in line of a lick at this fabled chinchilla. << mircea_popescu could you introduce me to this woman
danielpbarron: apparently gribble doesn't use the keyserver he links to
gribble: Error: '51587535' is not a valid GPG key id. Please use the long form 16 digit key id.
assbot: Need a number of lines.
danielpbarron: ;;echo BlueMeanie4, when you get the challenge string, use this command: [everify]
gribble: BlueMeanie4, when you get the challenge string, use this command: (everify <otp>) -- Verify the latest encrypt-authentication request by providing your decrypted one-time password. If verified, you'll be authenticated for the duration of the bot's or your IRC session on channel (whichever is shorter).
BlueMeanie4: this system is usable by about 20 people all of them have PhDs
danielpbarron: if you can't do these basic things then why are you in Bitcoin?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3842 @ 0.00068905 = 2.6473 BTC [+]
danielpbarron: anyway, finish it! ;;everify your-decrypted-challenge-string
danielpbarron: it should be anyone's take who has a brain and doesn't like wasting it
danielpbarron: in my own experience, it's not worth getting people into Bitcoin that can't do these things
danielpbarron: they will need endless hand-holding and are constant sources of drama
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 239 @ 0.00278915 = 0.6666 BTC [+]
BlueMeanie4: i think this goes back to ancient times really, so did the romans
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.28399999 = 0.852 BTC [+]
TomServo: +BlueMeanie4 | MSFT divides users into 4 groups << eh?
BlueMeanie4: ;;everify 840654f07c4296bd320ea97d2bff00e45b255d6e8185964e8585a5e8
gribble: Error: Incorrect one-time password. Try again.
BlueMeanie4: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:840654f07c4296bd320ea97d2bff00e45b255d6e8185964e8585a5e8
gribble: Registration successful. You are now authenticated for user BlueMeanie4 with key DCB374BF51587535
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jurov: antonosika: still buying?
assbot: Artificial Intelligence May Doom The Human Race Within A Century, Oxford Professor Says
jurov: How to control superintelligent AI is really the most important task of our time -- yet, it is almost completely ignored.
jurov: got me a few good chuckles
jurov: Cognitive enhancement could take place through collective cognitive ability -- the Internet, for example, and institutional innovations that enable humans to function better together. In terms of individual cognitive enhancement, the first thing likely to be successful is genetic selection in the context of in-vitro fertilization. I don't hold out much for cyborgs or implants.
jurov: i don't sniff ether. i prefer euros
ben_vulpes: <danielpbarron> i'm getting use out of it << what are ya doing with cp?
ben_vulpes: <BingoBoingo> ben_vulpes: Is Coinroll the 3rd Van Customer, or have people other than Mircea and Myself been buying ads? << the former
assbot: BlueMeanie4 +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
ben_vulpes: danielpbarron: tell preston he's not a lost cause
jurov: coinroll's just trying for few days
jurov: BlueMeanie4 no just noticed you were trying
assbot: Teva recalls Parkinson's disease drug because it may be 'superpotent' - FiercePharma Manufacturing
ThickAsThieves: does it cause superdepression leading to actors killing themselves?
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: This drug works the opposite direction, gets converted to Dopamine in vivo
BingoBoingo: Not effects Dopamine, is a precursor for dopamine
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 175 Ask: 221 Last Price: 175 24h-Vol: 2k High: 175 Low: 175 VWAP: 174
assbot: Electromagnetic Warfare Is Here - IEEE Spectrum
ThickAsThieves: it sure is hard to book a US flight that isnt somehow connected to US Airways sometimes...
BlueMeanie4: as soon as I see the word 'webinar' im turned off
BingoBoingo: BlueMeanie4: It's like any other thing. Most of them are absolute shit, but occasionally you get one by an actual expert on an actual subject. There was actually a nice OpenBSD one done by Micheal W. Lucas for O'Reilly
BlueMeanie4: they use the term 'webinar' to make you think its' something more important than some lame video someone churned out
assbot: BitShares: Don’t walk away. Run | Preston Byrne
assbot: BlueMeanie4 +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
BlueMeanie4: dignork Daniel and I were reading that this morning
danielpbarron: wow, now warriorforum won't let me link to other people's sites in my signature
BingoBoingo: Beautiful kakobrekla, keep us updated if there is a further reply
jurov: mircea says crapre diem?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 719 @ 0.00089996 = 0.6471 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: BlueMeanie4 +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
BlueMeanie4: cant i make options and futures contracts on here?
danielpbarron: ya, just type it up and clearsign it with your PGP key; get the other guy to sign that
assbot: X.EUR last 625@0.00233000
BlueMeanie4: so what kind of contract would you do then?
danielpbarron: i'd be interested in some sort of deal where I buy BTC at today's price next year
xmj: you know BlueMeanie4
xmj: or, Forward, when done OTC.
BlueMeanie4: a future is similar, but it delivers the actual asset and the price is paid down in full
BlueMeanie4: so an option is the ABILITY not the OBLIGATION to buy
BlueMeanie4: so i would do a small BTC future just for kicks
xmj: BlueMeanie4: which is what I understood danielpbarron meant.
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal: There once was a she named Priscilla << but it'
BlueMeanie4: 'buy BTC at a preset price in the future' is an option
xmj: it doesn't specify that you have the right not to buy said amount of BTC.
BlueMeanie4: you should try to conform to common terminology- makes it easier for people to get invovled
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 well it doesn't help that he doesn;'t really know the common terminology.
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BlueMeanie4: the one in the backside of the NYSE where hookers hang out?
BlueMeanie4: not hard to learn, but the complex structured instruments are not that easy to figure out
assbot: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Future Delivery Contract Fo - Pastebin.com
mircea_popescu: listen, you got to get in the wot if you keep coming by.
gribble: Nick 'BlueMeanie4', with hostmask 'BlueMeanie4!~chatzilla@ip-64-134-220-97.public.wayport.net', is identified as user 'BlueMeanie4', with GPG key id DCB374BF51587535, key fingerprint 1FD273800859479EAE7577ADDCB374BF51587535, and bitcoin address None
mircea_popescu: ;;rate BlueMeanie4 1 Marx sez : never trust a capitalist.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user BlueMeanie4 has been recorded.
antonosika: mircea_popescu: Thanks for writing the contract, my take is that you see no way of making it possible for me to avoid waiting till september 2015 for the eth and avoid the risk of a delay of ethereum trade?
mircea_popescu: antonosika "avoid the risk of a delay of ethereum trade" << what;s this mean ?
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 you ever read up on the fabulous adventure of teh rota ?
assbot: Rota pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
antonosika: mircea_popescu: I deem that ethereum will trade in 100 btc in one year, but in the chance that it does not I have an infinite loss of capital (which is a lot since I dont have much).
antonosika: well purpose is that you buy eth cheaply in one year though...
mircea_popescu: the purpose is to gain exposure to eth. you can't have the exposure without the exposure.
antonosika: how about you donate the 3 btc to something nice if contract fails ?
mircea_popescu: i donate to whatever the hell i feel like with or without that contract lol
rybro: tell me eth is ethanol and not ethereum
antonosika: Ehum I want to make deals with nice people.
rybro: seems like they do cool stuff by why so shady
mircea_popescu: because they only claim to do cool stuff. anyone can claim to do cool stuff.
antonosika: I deposit 3 btc to you. Isn't it fair that we decide something nice that happens with it if there is a large delay of ETH currency?
mircea_popescu: antonosika that approach to business will ensure you'll squander whatever little capital you have.
antonosika: Smart people have good values, so If you have a good suggestion of what to donate my btc to I would regard you as smarter
mircea_popescu: "nice" people are rarely worth the price of a decent burial, clothes included, and i very much doubt they ever should be.
antonosika: I'm really interested, what is your philosophy on life?
rybro: total logical fallacy man, unless you define what 'good' people are for all parties involved there are definitely going to be differences in opinion on what a 'good' person is and what a good action is on their part
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rybro: everyone is too brainwashed to have principles anyway
mircea_popescu: antonosika my philosophy in life is that all ills arise from people like you having any money and any voice, basically.
mircea_popescu: what's more, my praxis in life is taking away the capital and the franchise of you lot.
rybro: wouldn't nice be just as subjective as good ?
mircea_popescu: good is a matter of reason at least to some degree. nice is pure sensata crapolade.
BlueMeanie4: what's more, my praxis in life is taking away the capital and the franchise of you lot.< we also have another phrase , getting 'Gypped'
mircea_popescu: a point established by considering that one has to reason to discover the good, whereas one just "feels" the nice. which approach is exactly why nice rather than good, why all that intellectual effort
rybro: all i can think of is susan korman and that pink ribbon breast cancer thing
antonosika: mircea_popescu: My approach is definitely not "feels good" nice
antonosika: mircea_popescu: But, do you have a definition of deeds that are the opposite of ill?
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 well it's not necessarily defined, but to me gypped is the inverse process : when some lout appropriates capital he shouldn't have.
assbot: Some basic discussion of charity pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
antonosika: I would not donate to charity. But anyhow, if you deem some things as ill (such as charity) some people do things that are not ill (like you for example?) what would such deeds be?
mircea_popescu: "Media coverage of new technologies is always governed by an inexorable cycle: First comes the hyping, then comes the trashing. Of late, the Net has so accelerated this cycle that the trashing kicks in well before the hype has stopped sometimes creating a conflict of views that looks suspiciously like genuine debate."
assbot: Let's Get This Straight: March 1997 archives - Salon.com
mircea_popescu: antonosika you generally can't expect a summary of such things be presented to you on demand. there's about 2 years worth of logs here and >5 of trilema articles, you'll have to go through all that to find your own answer.
mircea_popescu: As companies like Pointcast, Marimbas Castanet, Backweb, Intermind and others flock to seize push market-share, they have been feted by the business press, welcomed by media companies who hope push will help them make money, even lauded by Wired magazine as the radical future of media beyond the Web. <<< all winners :D
mircea_popescu: In August 1998, PointCast found such a partner. In order to compete with @Home, a consortium of telephone companies and Microsoft put together a project designed to promote use of DSL in preference to cable modems. <<< has there EVER been a technology battle where ms fell on the right side ?
antonosika: Well you said that it would be better if I had no money or voice since I will never do anything good. It feels like that gives a rather strict definition of good.
antonosika: If I read logs or articles I don't know what things have any "value" and what are just writings.
mircea_popescu: well this problem is chiefly reflective of you not having done a lot of it yet.
antonosika: At least your philosphy doesnt sound like nihilism
mircea_popescu: you can't start by doing good. you start by doing work, a lot of it, then you see.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know, a complete collection of grabbe would probably be useful at this point. he doesn't seem to have any web exposure.
antonosika: mircea_popescu: Anyways, one thought on doing more good is to make it easier for those naive souls (as myself) who want to understand to learn.
antonosika: But at least I can do business with you.
BitMarmot: I am also a USG_Press_Machine from time to time
fluffypony: antonosika: just send me your private key
mircea_popescu: antonosika you don't have to sign it, if you pay it stands.
mircea_popescu: BitMarmot usg press machine was a better nick. this bitblabla stuff is a cancer.
BitMarmot: agreed, but I figured the marmot peg was the best way to illustrate the sheer stupidity of what was going on with BTSX
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller it's not being dumb, it's being absent
BitMarmot: Of everything I've written I figured MP probably approved of my most recent work the most
assbot: BitShares: Don’t walk away. Run | Preston Byrne
antonosika: mircea_popescu: Is there a way for me to show that I paid?
mircea_popescu: "wait a tick, wait a tick... i will not ruin this sketch for a pound"
assbot: BitSharesX: Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence | Preston Byrne
mircea_popescu: antonosika well if a payment as specified makes it to the address specified before time specified, you have.
mircea_popescu: BitMarmot myeah. the many advantages for the general public of the sec demuring instead of taking its fucking place in the world.
mircea_popescu: but yes, i will definitely push for prosecution of the current set of sec comissioners for having failed to take the hand i extended to them last year.
BitMarmot: I mean, I don't exactly look forward to the day seeing as I'm meant to be hanged
BitMarmot: But apparently I am not beyond saving
BitMarmot: ben_vulpes:danielpbarron: tell preston he's not a lost cause
BlueMeanie4: I think the SEC is aware of what Vitalik and Bitshares are doing, but theyre biding their time
gribble: Nick 'mircea_popescu', with hostmask 'mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu', is not identified.
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 if you id with gribble and pm assbot !up you can just up yourself.
BlueMeanie4: its pretty clear that Ethereum and Bitshares were fundraisers
BlueMeanie4: and i really appreciate your points in that article BitMarmot
BitMarmot: Thanks BlueMeanie4 - I do this for a living so looked at BitShares for 20 minutes and was like, "does not compute"
mircea_popescu: it's a fucking outrage is what it is. basically vitalik saw the neobee fuckwit buy a ferrari or whatever it was, went out of his mind and well... "if x can steal why shouldn't i"
mircea_popescu: which is what's wrong with "biding their time" idiocies.
BlueMeanie4: I just know the people involved and I didnt even bother running the numbers, I already know the answer
BitMarmot: Website's been clocking 1,000 hits a day for the last three days - I should write about marmots more often
antonosika: why doesn't mircea_popescu get identified by ;;ident ?
gribble: Nick 'antonosika', with hostmask 'antonosika!uid31762@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vzvixbctpbfdyksw', is not identified.
gribble: Error: I am not seeing this user on IRC. If you want information about a registered gpg user, try the 'gpg info' command instead.
BlueMeanie4: BitMarmot- those guys are notorious for faking things like sales numbers and web stats
gribble: Nick 'mircea_popescu', with hostmask 'mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu', is identified as user 'mircea_popescu', with GPG key id 8A736F0E2FB7B452, key fingerprint 6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452, and bitcoin address None
antonosika: mircea_popescu: will you confirm that the contract holds when you get the payment?
gribble: Nick 'antonosika', with hostmask 'antonosika!uid31762@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vzvixbctpbfdyksw', is not identified.
antonosika: Public confirmation of that a contract holds
BlueMeanie4: I even recall the early bitshares stuff on btt, it was pure idiocy
mircea_popescu: i already did dood. in between that pastebin and a blockchain read you have incontrovertible proof.
BlueMeanie4: although I cant confirm that the current concept bears any resemblance to those early ideas
antonosika: Why cant u just argue that that is another transaction?
BingoBoingo: BitMarmot> Website's been clocking 1,000 hits a day for the last three days - I should write about marmots more often << Not a bad idea
assbot: Logged on 26-08-2014 10:50:07; mircea_popescu: There once was a she named Priscilla whose vagina was flavored vanilla. The taste was so fine man and beast stood in line of a lick at this fabled chinchilla.
BlueMeanie4: we have something like a marmot in the rocky mountains. its similar to a mountain-hamster
BitMarmot: A friend of mine tells me the tale of a marmot called Grey Beard
mircea_popescu: BitMarmot "I dont like or approve of token pre-sales and I never will." << whatr's this mean ?
BitMarmot: He would cast a curse on any campers at the camp who harassed local wildlife
BitMarmot: Mircea_Popescu exactly what it says
mircea_popescu: also get out of this habit of using the same title on different dates for different articles. it's breadspread insanity.
mircea_popescu: BitMarmot it doesn't say so much cause "token pre-sales" isn't reallyt a term of art.
BlueMeanie4: that sounds like the scene from Monty Python holy Grail
BlueMeanie4: BitMarmot- allocate at least an hour to get through the WOT process
BitMarmot: i.e. it's not really an improvement
BitMarmot: If someone came up with a chain which was awesome
antonosika: What does it mean that assignments are integral?
BitMarmot: they wouldn't need to presell because they'd make their money mining the crap out of it
mircea_popescu: antonosika that you can't give sue 1.5 btc and mary 1.5 btc of your load. gotta pick a girl blow the whole load on her.
BitMarmot: fact is, most alt chains aren't that big a deal/that different from BTC to merit existence
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atcbot: [PityThePool Hashrate]: 1636.67 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 0 TH/s
mircea_popescu: ok, "I look at BitSharesX and I see a group of talented" << what do you mean by talented then.
BlueMeanie4: i was reading larimers babbling on btt - his ideas are idiotic
antonosika: mircea_popescu: thanks for making it so clear.
assbot: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Future Delivery Contract Fo - Pastebin.com
BitMarmot: Let me put it this way - I wanted to play the ball rather than the programmer
mircea_popescu: gotta cut amateurs slack re finance, somehow everyone got the idea they know it because... well bitcoin.
BlueMeanie4: he wanted to peg the value of assets to some 'market value' - it was utter nonsense
BlueMeanie4: got the idea they know it because... well bitcoin. < a lot of that goes on for sure
mircea_popescu: but generally, you can distinguish they don't know wtf they're talking about on terminology, and just discard that and see if they're basically honest or not. at least it's my approach.
BlueMeanie4: BitMarmot- of course he doesnt want to program it- i makes ZERO sense!
BlueMeanie4: that was basically my thought when I bothered to read his nonsense writings
BitMarmot: I just don't like going after people personally - I'd rather discuss the issues
BlueMeanie4: 'if this guy is going to code this then great for him'
BlueMeanie4: of course he defers that small job to someone else
BitMarmot: Even if the writings are nonsense, go after the writings, not the person who wrote them
mircea_popescu: BitMarmot that's fine, but you know if you call someone something, whether it's "talented" or "whore" or anything, i may well ask you well, how did you find this and how could i verify for myself.
BitMarmot: mircea_popescu all of god's creatures are special
mircea_popescu: oh get out. unless they taste like vanilla they go right into the stu.
BlueMeanie4: to a degree- if someone is repeatedly trying to draw attention to themselves by whoring around every buzzword and they do it repeatedly then pull a PRESALE- thats when you start questioning someone's motives
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BitMarmot: I go on what I can prove. If I can't prove it, I figure no harm in being polite
mircea_popescu: BitMarmot if politeness has degraded to the point you gotta call someone talented just to remain polite i dun want any part of it.
BlueMeanie4: yes but eventually the emporer wears no clothe
antonosika: Im about to agree to a contract that stands if I deposit 3 btc to mircea_popescu (with the blockchain as security). Can someone tell me that this is a smart procedure?
antonosika: the btc could come from someone else depositing at the same time.
BitMarmot: mircea_popescu differences in approach, as you know we have. nm indeed
mircea_popescu: antonosika it'd still credit you. so they'd be suckers for doing it, but their problem.
BlueMeanie4: eventually people value candor above all else
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 not all people, no. if people valued candor there'd be a blowout sale on penis aids.
mircea_popescu: there's lines of work where honesty is the worst policy.
antonosika: But this isn't specified in the contract. Only "the long holder shall deposit"
mircea_popescu: antonosika you gotta understand how the legal mind works. you have a beneficial presumption therein embedded.
BitMarmot: BlueMeanie4 I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt on character, but go ruthless on the facts
BitMarmot: brb. Just having fun, I enjoy writing.
BlueMeanie4: ya I really appreciated that article, but when you watch someone pull this sort of stuff time and time again- it's hard not to get personal
antonosika: mircea_popescu: can someone else vouch for this ?
mircea_popescu: well for a coupla years there was this hot chick on the forum beating the shit out of the innumerable, meanwhile forgotten scammers.
BlueMeanie4: the thing i always look for- they always have an alternative career
antonosika: ill deposit if you reformulate the contract
BlueMeanie4: theyre a 'musician' or a 'pick up artist' or 'author' or some crap
mircea_popescu: just one of the many ways mpex wrote teh history of bitcoin that nobody knows about because well... history is hard work.
mircea_popescu: that's funny, i remember the days "anonymous" used to be an insult.
BlueMeanie4: do you know how many of these 'celebrated' bitcoin experts have some lame background like this?
BlueMeanie4: this doesnt appear to bother the 18 year olds who just bought 2 grand worth of magic beans
antonosika: mircea_popescu: starting a contract by only seeing a random transaction in the blockchain is dodgy as hell
antonosika: random as in not specified where it is from
antonosika: easy to argue that it is not from the long party
mircea_popescu: yes, but also toothless. doesn't matter where it's from.
antonosika: So why not just write " 3.00001 BTC shall be deposited no later than August 31st to ..."
BingoBoingo: Long Party: YOu are perfectly free to save your own copy of MP's signed contract and sign it your self.
antonosika: BingoBoingo: the problem is that it is possible to argue that the deposit was not from the long party
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 well that's why i gave you that rota reference. nobody o.O after the attempt at a public court thing failed miserably.
antonosika: BingoBoingo: who would be correct in such an argument?
BingoBoingo: antonosika: Well if it came from another party that would mean someone else just subsidized the Long Party's purchase
mircea_popescu: BitMarmot here's the problem. your effort at being polite has resulted in 2+6k words, in which the idiot in question is arguing he's right.
antonosika: Thanks bingo, i just wanted this legal language verified by someone else to seem less dogy
BitMarmot: None immediately. It's a long game
mircea_popescu: heh. "your penis is too long to fit any woman, so how do you propose to reproduce ?" "not immediately, waiting for it to grow more."
mircea_popescu: (im not saying working is bad, it's not. the reason it's good however is that it allows such problems to be discussed)
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antonosika: last thing, will you check the blockchain and confirm in this chat that you saw the 3.0001 BTC ?
BitMarmot: Judging from the hits though my point got across without hitting the man
mircea_popescu: i didn't even pick the right phrase. should have used rickles' "he's making a loss on every sale but hopes to make it up on volume"
BitMarmot: so ultimately you get done what needs to get done without alienating anyone
BitMarmot: Be of no doubt, I am overawed by your approach to polemic. But I suspect I probably wouldn't get away with it
BitMarmot: No, just not giving a damn what other people think
antonosika: mircea_popescu: I'll be happy with the outcome of this contract either way, nice to learn new things with you crazy fucks around here.
BingoBoingo: antonosika: Sitting around here and having access to every one in the chan's input is an effect IQ boost
mircea_popescu: antonosika anyway, the last clause is there specifically to allow you to limit your risk as you can make me a settlement offer later on and who knows, i might take it.
mircea_popescu: (for that matter, it's good policy / common courtest to see if i don't want to overbid in case you're considering assignment)
ThickAsThieves: <+BingoBoingo> BitMarmot> Website's been clocking 1,000 hits a day for the last three days - I should write about marmots more often << Not a bad idea //// Before you know it your website will be all "10 Wacky Interesting Things You Never Knew About Marmots"
antonosika: mircea_popescu: I'll keep my fingers crossed then.
BitMarmot: They're goofy, largely benign troublemaker
BitMarmot: What, MP doesn't have a spirit animal?
mircea_popescu: precise, fucking dangerous mind-your-own-business law enforcer type.
ThickAsThieves: <+mircea_popescu> therealaltcoin, ThickAsThieves' scamcoin. /// it's more of a scamcoin assimiliation phenomenon!
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 if slime molds are animals ima make buenos aires my spirit animal.
mircea_popescu: it's not even genetically coherent for crying out loud.
mircea_popescu: yes but they're not animals. they're colonies of animals. like a town.
BlueMeanie4: well occasionally they go from being a colony to forming into a creature that gets up and moves
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how woud you go about recouping all this guy's usenet stuff ?
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gribble: Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-97-12.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net', is not identified.
mircea_popescu: ahh people's assumptions are such a great boon to internet humor. so i go on this blog and butthurt people, everyone assumes that since i speak the language i also live there, it's rioutous.
gribble: Nick 'BlueMeanie4', with hostmask 'BlueMeanie4!~chatzilla@ip-64-134-220-97.public.wayport.net', is not identified.
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 listen : ident with gribble, let's walk you through this self upping thing.
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nubbins`: so my macbook drank a cup of coffee today
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: when assigning a key to a bot, what is a good way to allow the bot to access it? is a passphrase even practical?
thestringpuller: yea. that's what I've been looking into, do you think it's legit though?
thestringpuller: if bot and key are on same machine, bot daemon can just run gpg agent as a daemon...
dsherm: was just reading contravex's "deflation isn't bitcoin's problem..." great refreshing read. found this channel there
nubbins`: how can you have deflation when the money supply is increasing :D
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nubbins`: battery did not survive the coffee :(
dsherm: its all relative to fiat ;)
mircea_popescu: dsherm still. bitcoin is inflaitonary. just, not as much as the various other shitcoins
nubbins`: the machine itself seems otherwise unscathed
dsherm: m_p but at least the inflation will end
dsherm: it's an old one 4/4/14
dsherm: M_P i was talking about the article from contravex
mircea_popescu: dsherm that's okay, but sitll, bitcoin will continue to inflate well into the 22nd century.
dsherm: M_P yeah i know but at least the rate of increase will... decrease
mircea_popescu: Flerb yes, you're supposed to do something to earn trust. o.O
mircea_popescu: dsherm sure, and the total amount is upper bound. but see, journos do a lot of sloppy thinking. the total amlunt being upper bound != non inflationary.
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dsherm: as long as it is a limited useful commodity
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform soviet bureaucrats opposed typewriters neh ?
mircea_popescu: "its not necessarily the best way to approach the sexual assault epidemic on college campuses."
mircea_popescu: dude gtfo, what "epidemic". us colleges used to be this fuckathon, these days they're like fucking nunneries.
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mircea_popescu: Women are already expected to work hard to prevent themselves from becoming the victims of sexual assault. Theyre told to avoid wearing revealing clothing, travel in groups, make sure they dont get too drunk, and always keep a close eye on their drink. Now, remembering to put on anti-rape nail polish and discreetly slip a finger into each drink might be added to that ever-growing checklist something that actu
mircea_popescu: ally reinforces a pervasive rape culture in our society.
mircea_popescu: women are actually expected to walk on four inch heels after the age of 16 so as to deform their calf musculature and get fucking implants once they're 35+
mircea_popescu: o and also : IF you want any sort of shot at a decent lay, you're to have full nudes on the internet before you're 18 and aging starts.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is older than dirt. was the premiere reason women ended up forbidden from public places in teh islamic states.
nubbins`: scopolamine is popular in some touristy areas of south america as well, or so i'm told
Flerb: mircea_popescu, such as?
nubbins`: tourists helping the thieves move their belongings into the van, etc
nubbins`: Flerb, how would you earn someone's trust in your day-to-day life?
mircea_popescu: nubbins` this is why you take your own bottle and your own whores to the strip joint :D
mircea_popescu: also, lol : "While it is occasionally used recreationally for its hallucinogenic properties, the experiences are often mentally and physically extremely unpleasant, and frequently physically dangerous, so repeated use is rare."
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4: also Mircea - you dont like Preston Bryne? << if i can be arsed to try and teach someone to read it can scarcely be argued i don't like them.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: "After a whirlwind of bidding activity, a 9.0-graded copy of Action Comics #1 sold on eBay yesterday for a whopping $3.2-million, the most ever paid for a comic book" << clearly no inflation propping up nasdaq. it;'s all just legit money, which is why all art and collectible prices are up 10x
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i thought russians had martini as the vermouth, like romanians.
gribble: Nick 'BlueMeanie4', with hostmask 'BlueMeanie4!~chatzilla@ip-64-134-220-97.public.wayport.net', is not identified.
mircea_popescu: so as i was saying earlier : ident with gribble, let's walk you through this self upping thing
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah but you didn't pick them in the street.
hanbot: mircea_popescu haha for very lenient definitions of daily
BlueMeanie4: ;;everify BlueMeanie4 freenode:#bitcoin-otc:b1461f64c63cd3d79d5875d76a11a0abd080eb0e4e598a6db34558e3
gribble: (everify <otp>) -- Verify the latest encrypt-authentication request by providing your decrypted one-time password. If verified, you'll be authenticated for the duration of the bot's or your IRC session on channel (whichever is shorter).
BlueMeanie4: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:b1461f64c63cd3d79d5875d76a11a0abd080eb0e4e598a6db34558e3
gribble: Error: Could not find a pending authentication request from your hostmask. Either it expired, or you changed hostmask, or you haven't made one.
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 you gotta do the ;;eauth party ourself too!
BlueMeanie4: you guys dont get hte concept of usability clearly
mircea_popescu: <mircea_popescu> ;;everify << you gotta do it, not me.
gribble: (everify <otp>) -- Verify the latest encrypt-authentication request by providing your decrypted one-time password. If verified, you'll be authenticated for the duration of the bot's or your IRC session on channel (whichever is shorter).
mircea_popescu: it looks and sees a diff guy is putting in the decrypted string and calls shenanigans.
BlueMeanie4: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:b1461f64c63cd3d79d5875d76a11a0abd080eb0e4e598a6db34558e3
gribble: Error: Could not find a pending authentication request from your hostmask. Either it expired, or you changed hostmask, or you haven't made one.
BlueMeanie4: ;;everify BlueMeanie4 freenode:#bitcoin-otc:b1461f64c63cd3d79d5875d76a11a0abd080eb0e4e598a6db34558e3
gribble: (everify <otp>) -- Verify the latest encrypt-authentication request by providing your decrypted one-time password. If verified, you'll be authenticated for the duration of the bot's or your IRC session on channel (whichever is shorter).
BingoBoingo: BlueMeanie4: I have degrees in Philosphy and preventing rot in bound volumes
mircea_popescu: the hassle at the beginning will repay in spades later,
mircea_popescu: try it again now, it's not the big deal it looks like.
gribble: Error: Could not find a pending authentication request from your hostmask. Either it expired, or you changed hostmask, or you haven't made one.
mircea_popescu: then you decrypt the otp and go ;;everify freenode-blabla
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 well we all use automation so it's not that fresh in head :)
BlueMeanie4: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:168e59752b337056f22927840844867ab6b0bb171ffd023b46ca4e3c
gribble: You are now authenticated for user BlueMeanie4 with key DCB374BF51587535
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BlueMeanie4 well we all use automation so it's not that fresh in head :) << I do it by hand
mircea_popescu: now, because you're so identified, you can go /query assbot
BlueMeanie4: i may make a contract system that doesnt use irc
BlueMeanie4: although you could potentially use WOT ratings
mircea_popescu: irc is an incredibly great system, give yourself some time to discover that first.
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mircea_popescu: hanbot "demonstrating that perambulatory sculpture of the conspicuously unfucked might as well also possess meterological dominion over those parts of the world otherwise dangerous to honest hard-working folk predisposed to believe in peram
well, you know." ahahaha epic.
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 then i don't like you and ddos your system. what now ?
mircea_popescu: the only - the ONLY - reason any website is online right now, google including, whitehouse.org included, is that nobody can be bothered to knock them off.
BlueMeanie4: you apparently think the whole world has all day to fuck around on IRC
mircea_popescu: now whether it's irc or a website or anywhere else should come down to a technical discussion
BingoBoingo: BlueMeanie4: A disctinct advantage of IRC is its robustness, DDOS'ing even aggressively at best interupts parts or the network rather than killing it.
BlueMeanie4: the problem with using IRC is that you cant have high speed contract resolutoin
BlueMeanie4: theres the problem of competing to execute contracts
BingoBoingo: Well nothing useful can be all of high speed, low drag, and robust
BlueMeanie4: this is also a problem with Bitcoin, and thats why Counterparty cant be used for anything serious
nubbins`: thought i hit a roadblock with the poster color separations, wife suggested a solution that's even better than what i'd originally planned
BlueMeanie4: because the miners can exclude some transactoins and fatally bias the market
BlueMeanie4: sure, and this isnt a problem unless youre doing something where people are competing to be the first
BlueMeanie4: first person to bid or to execute a contract
BingoBoingo: If speed were the greatest virtue public transportation would not be a bus network, but coin operated people howitzers on every street corner
BingoBoingo: Instead of the stadium gates you arrived at the parking garage.
BingoBoingo: BlueMeanie4: I think a problem is you are confusing particular contracts and contracts in general
nubbins`: the details are in the pudding
nubbins`: there's a dick surgery song about this very thing
BingoBoingo: Contracts available for trading publicly need a centralized exchange. Private contracts need negotiation et al.
BlueMeanie4: how do you measure success in a software project?
BingoBoingo: A private assignment of anything should never have the wires be the limiting factor in its speed of execution, other things will slow it first.
mircea_popescu: <BlueMeanie4> this is also a problem with Bitcoin, and thats why Counterparty cant be used for anything serious << this high speed thing is an unresolved problem in many ways.
BlueMeanie4: confidence chains was one solution, but you dont really 'p2p' with it
mircea_popescu: you'll have to sit down and confront the twinheaded fact that a) before you can improve on something you have to gain good familiariy with it and b) that the temptation to just make as a cheap substitute for understanding is sinful.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no kindergarten i ever heard of shows lamport's clock
BlueMeanie4: and when do 95% of the bids come in on an auction?
BingoBoingo: Depends on the good. When I'm buying generally the one that wins comes early.
nubbins`: it's all about Buy it Now, anyway
BlueMeanie4: so the problem is in these sorts of systems is people will push the time limits as far as they will go every time
BingoBoingo: I know what the good is worth and I bid up to what I am willing to pay.
nubbins`: that's a general human problem
BlueMeanie4: if i can exploit, and it makes me a dollar or two, i will
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BingoBoingo: BlueMeanie4: What was you favorite computer you ever owned?
BlueMeanie4: you better believe if any serious traffic were to happen on this system they would exploit the peculiarities of IRC
nubbins`: what's the trilema article about how irc works
BingoBoingo: Ah, Imma Mac SE/30 kind of person. There are "now" slow machines, yes
nubbins`: not being an idiot, asking questions and immediately leaving, etc
BlueMeanie4: i already mentioned it, you can bias the markets by exploiting time responses
BlueMeanie4: your system seems pretty naive in this regard
BlueMeanie4: because no where do you even indicate that this is a problem
BingoBoingo: BlueMeanie4> i dont know << When's the last time you used your Apple II for a modern task?
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 you'll have to at least build a theoretical model showing how this attack'd work. kinda how it's done.
BlueMeanie4: what would happen if one party had the unique ability to either take or leave EVERY contract that was submitted globally?
BlueMeanie4: and the other actors then got 'sloppy seconds'
BingoBoingo: BlueMeanie4: I'm just curious because my Mac SE/30 was useful until rather recently running a decently modern Unix until physical failure.
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 how would such a party have such an ability ?
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mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 no, and what's worse i don't see a way to translate your formulation of what's a problem in fiat marketplaces into ap roblem here.
BlueMeanie4: this is a big problem. this leads to market bias.
mircea_popescu: looky here : because wot users are identified, and their reputation forms a market hierarchy
mircea_popescu: and rightfully so. because to the trustworthy goes the business.
BingoBoingo: BlueMeanie4: Don't worry too much about this distinct IRC phenomenon where the channel carries on as many simultaneous conversations as the participants allow.
mircea_popescu: well yes great but this effect dwarves your problem by degrees of magnitude.
mircea_popescu: so fifty people want to accept the same contract, and mp says yes and the cp picks mp because hey, he'd rather have mp's cp risk.
mircea_popescu: what's the five miliseconds earliness bought the early bird ?
BlueMeanie4: so there is ZERO sense of non-bias in your system
BlueMeanie4: its not fatal, but it falls short in some very important ways
mircea_popescu: it's so fuckng biased we have a wot to deal with the bias hierarchy
BlueMeanie4: you cant have highly liquid markets this way
mircea_popescu: you don't want highly liquid markets. you want robust markets.
BlueMeanie4: what is needed is a way to quickly INTERROGATE the contracts
assbot: #bitcoin-otc order book
BlueMeanie4: youre loling and were there any contracts written today?
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 it's an otc market. you don't get to know anything the participants don't choose to share.
mircea_popescu: i am blazing new ground here with the very public display of contracts, as for instance seen earlier
BlueMeanie4: how can we generate millions USD in wealth
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 you know, three years ago half of all btc trade happened on otc. 90% ish of the rest was on mtgox.
mircea_popescu: since then, the marketshare of all exchanges together dropped monotonously.
bats_cd03: work on generating 100 btc in wealth first, mate. then go for 10.000.
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 he's inquiring if you're trying to create or redistribute value.
BlueMeanie4: yes wealth is CREATED by generating new obligations
decimation: “But I think we need to think critically about why we keep placing the responsibility for preventing sexual assault on young women.”
mircea_popescu: you don't create new wealth by creating new obligations or else a law that'd enact the obligation of pigs to fly would make us all rich.
bats_cd03: when asked about 'creating wealth', i usually think 'creating energy'. can it be done?
BlueMeanie4: no but creating lets say mortgages does make people wealthier
decimation: BlueMeanie4: do you think a finite supply of money is sufficient?
BingoBoingo: bats_cd03: Any thoughts on how the USG encounter I had, you're closest we have to an expert that I know of
BlueMeanie4: i was in Belgium for a while and there was a group of people out in the country side
BlueMeanie4: and they made their own money system, a local currency
BlueMeanie4: and they loaned it to each other to do jobs on eachothers houses
BlueMeanie4: this money system allowed them all to have nice houses in belgium
mircea_popescu: looky : the mortgages make society poorer not wealthier.
mircea_popescu: now, a little empoverishing itself for the sake of stroking its impatience may be okay
decimation: asciilifeform: I don't get the liber-tards argument, are they saying that women ought to be able to slut at the sluttiest parties without attracting unwanted male attention?
mircea_popescu: hey. it seems it'll take a while until this problem will be operationalized enough to be acceptable.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform suspects we're being trolled << It seems many of the danielpbarron invites elicit this reaction
mircea_popescu: decimation no, they're saying that the betas should be better betas already. i agree with the sentiment.
mircea_popescu: this notion that everyone's entitled to sexual release gotta go.
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 no, but it's not a fair representation of what happened.
bats_cd03: lol not an expert. anyway, i speculate: it could be a combination of due diligence combined with the USG trying to acquire as much btc as possible, theretofore held by citizens not entirely faithful to the fiat gods (e.g. tax evasion, other 'illegal' activities)
BlueMeanie4: but the money and debt allowed them to be specialists
BlueMeanie4: where there was once no houses, or even individual ability to create houses, there was not a usable house
BlueMeanie4: its similar with mortgages, requires capital to get all the specialists together to make a house
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 okay, how would the proof that what i say is actually correct and your view mistaken look to you ?
BlueMeanie4: decimation- try building your own house then
decimation: you think I could buy a house for some gold?
BingoBoingo: <BlueMeanie4> but the money and debt allowed them to be specialists << Fraternities at universities do this without the debt. With beer, a good, they manage to trade the good for pledge's dignity.
BlueMeanie4: if you have enough gold. these people didnt each have enough gold to buy a house, but collectively they had the skills to make houses
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo doth not scale outside the dunbar number w/o a wot.
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BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Who said anything about scaling. Sewers were a problem for the Spanish because of the scaling involved...
mircea_popescu: i guess he doesn't wanna addres it, but let's take a stab anyway. BlueMeanie4 suppose two people wanted to fuck, and both liked to fuck. in scenario A, they fuck. in scenario B, they exchange obligations to fuck, then fuck.
bats_cd03: an early silk road entrepreneur living it up on southern california after exchanging btc for fiat; authorities spy, notice new camaro but no regular employment since 2010... questioned, gasenwagen, perhaps USG confiscates some coins along the way. everything is gravy, republic lives another day.
mircea_popescu: bats_cd03 you got this whole soviet "illegal rich" thing going already ?
decimation: bats_cd03: such a person ought to pay taxes and/or have a lawyer
BingoBoingo: bats_cd03> an early silk road entrepreneur living it up on southern california after exchanging btc for fiat; authorities spy, notice new camaro but no regular employment since 2010... questioned, gasenwagen, perhaps USG confiscates some coins along the way. everything is gravy, republic lives another day. << And I bless Jebus I am but a midwestern pauper
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "so where do you have it from" "fuck you" is what america is all about.
mircea_popescu: anyway, so fucking ludicrous to see the stone soup argument repackaged by people who five minutes earlier complained of ignoramus land.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's just thatr i can't locate any data showign they are succesfull to any degree. but anyway.
decimation: mircea_popescu: well they still have some of the SR stash right?
BlueMeanie4: seems your understanding of how money works is lacking
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the first hour with the whore suggests one's "pickup skills" aren't entirely unsuccessful either.
decimation: I suspect that the number of USG employees who understand money is too small to coordinate a mass bitcoin theft
mircea_popescu: sure, for as longas there's money to be made, why not.
BlueMeanie4: its not a heresy, it's just a lower form of money
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 how do you know it's not your understanding of how money works that's the problem ?
BlueMeanie4: if im not mistaken, it's impossible to produce enough gold to account for all the wealth in the world
BlueMeanie4: Mircea - because so far no one has produced any sort of cogent response to my point
bats_cd03: surely we can do that. it'd just be... terribly unpractical.
nubbins`: <+BlueMeanie4> no but creating lets say mortgages does make people wealthier
decimation: I provide our present trollish company as proof of the widely distributed ignorance
bats_cd03: mortgages does make people a lot of slaves
BlueMeanie4: what you fail to see is how the world would be if loans werent available
BlueMeanie4: they are not places you would want to live
BlueMeanie4: youre saying credit doesnt improve your life?
nubbins`: <+BlueMeanie4> but the money and debt allowed them to be specialists <<< you're 100% misunderstanding what happened, by virtue of trying to view it in the wrong frame of perspective.
decimation: BlueMeanie4: a world without loans would be far more rational in its allocation of wealth
BlueMeanie4: wow that is- AT BEST- a radical view of economics, but more accurately just cluelessness
bats_cd03: maybe we should rewind and assign a reading list. have you read keynesian theory, BlueMeanie4?
nubbins`: they didn't say "let us all go into financial debt to each other! you all owe me $100/hr for my plumbing services"
bats_cd03: after you have, read some austrian theory. write a 10pg open response.
nubbins`: they said "hey man, help me wire my house? i'll do your plumbing"
bats_cd03: still working through some papers, ya
decimation: BlueMeanie4: your story of paupers proves nothing. if they had to skills to bulid houses, they have the skills to earn money to build houses
bats_cd03: your problem is: you are continuously assigning meaning to that which has none
BlueMeanie4: true, but the employment opps didnt necessarily exist
BlueMeanie4: so far i have yet to see anyone pose any interesting examples- mainly your typical libertarian bellittleing etc.
BlueMeanie4: or various immature responses designed to detract away from what is obviously a failed argument
BingoBoingo: <decimation> I suspect that the number of USG employees who understand money is too small to coordinate a mass bitcoin theft << Even my FBI agent admitted holding some bitcoin... The Treasury agent though was silent on the matter
nubbins`: i've still got a "gilbert dollar"
mircea_popescu: <BlueMeanie4> Mircea - because so far no one has produced any sort of cogent response to my point << you would think that in either case.
mircea_popescu: this is what the average tardstalk forum scammer says, too.
BingoBoingo: bats_cd03> BingoBoingo: brilliant << Not a construction of mine. An event that happen, recorded in my wetware and entered into the public record
nubbins`: some tourist shops here accept canadian tire money
BlueMeanie4: i dont think they are a panacea, but rather a tool that can be used to generate wealth
mircea_popescu: <BlueMeanie4> they are not places you would want to live << amusingly, the state says this of anarchy all the time. yet i've lived in anarchy and much prefer it to any kind of currently available state.
nubbins`: although that's at a larger scale again
BlueMeanie4: they used to use 'wooden coins' aka tally sticks all the time during the middle ages
mircea_popescu: tally sticks are an implementation of a bookkeeping system, not coins in any sense.
mircea_popescu: <BlueMeanie4> wow that is- AT BEST- a radical view of economics, but more accurately just cluelessness << no, it's a radical view alright.
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BlueMeanie4: because it's not limited by some supply of some commodity
BlueMeanie4: all major money systems today are flexible money supplies
TheNewDeal: BlueMeanie4 you offering call options?
BlueMeanie4: this gold back currency people are most ppl with no real economics background who believe they have some 'fix' to our economic problems
BlueMeanie4: gold backing has historically reversed wealth equality
mircea_popescu: <BlueMeanie4> this gold back currency people are most ppl with no real economics background who believe they have some 'fix' to our economic problems << you know you're repating this like it's the hail mary of your faith.
BlueMeanie4: these questions are reminding me that I need to look at cat pictures
mircea_popescu: <BlueMeanie4> gold backing has historically reversed wealth equality << of fucking course. what gave you the ridiculous notion that we're about equality ?
mircea_popescu: the point of bitcoin is to make equality impossible and life miserable for the majority.
BlueMeanie4: im not arguing for some strange mythical world- this is how it currently works
mircea_popescu: well what do you expect. come here with exotic priors, expect everyone to accept them or else you gotta go watch cat pictures ?!
BlueMeanie4: youre advocating something that is not only unsupported in principle, it doesnt exist in reality either
BlueMeanie4: and strangely you believe you are the position to scoff at these points when they correspond fully to how our system works right now
mircea_popescu: seems to be existing just fine, but yeah, that's a point that can wait. might as well revisit it after it's inevitable and you know, cut in stone.
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 if your system worked we wouldn't be here.
BlueMeanie4: so to have something that is so radically new, you need to have something that is radically detailed as well
BlueMeanie4: and we all know this is just a characteristic of a cult
bats_cd03: careful consideration is a characteristic of a cult. jeez, what isn't these days.
BlueMeanie4: you dont have a system, all you have is a few people roughly convinced you have an alternative
mircea_popescu: "you got exotic priors" "they're widely accepted on my island" "so ?" "so you're a cult" "what's your island again ?" "Easter island."
decimation: BlueMeanie4: you realize your argument of "all the cool countries do it" is not convincing?
mircea_popescu: see, the nude emperor system does depend on everyone staying convinced.
mircea_popescu: hard money however does not. it will convince you right into the ground.
BlueMeanie4: the problem is that the countries who didnt benefit from capitalism have a tendency to buy these broken ideas
BlueMeanie4: unfortunately it's not going to get you anywhere
mircea_popescu: what you got going there in teh socialist states of the americaz however is not.
BingoBoingo: <BlueMeanie4> so to have something that is so radically new, you need to have something that is radically detailed as well << No, this is reactionary, a return to principles more basic than any Tea Partier in a costume can imagine
decimation: asciilifeform: they will be derping to themselves as they dig ditches or whatever
bats_cd03: i've been watching Attack on Titan, on netflix. is p good.
decimation: the thing is, he's absolutely right, the world is all his way right now.
decimation: asciilifeform: no but someone in charge needs to issue the proper orders, I doubt even this exists
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BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: But they learn enough of the lingo to get the ability to up themselves
danielpbarron: i just invited another guy; he wrote a blog post as a rebuttal to that "PGP should die" thing
decimation: danielpbarron: I don't mind doubters, I just want one with the ability to provide points that rate above the "derp" level
decimation: asciilifeform: there is a point there. when bitcoin ramps up another order of magnitude in price, the "plunder" signal is plain for all to see
decimation: at some point the dollar/bitcoin price becomes a bat-signal that psychologically overwhelms the "it's not money" derpage
danielpbarron: 09:54 <+BingoBoingo> danielpbarron: But they learn enough of the lingo << do you mean they socially engineer their way in? (because the ability to !up yourself depends on the approval of at least 1 pre-existing member)
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bats_cd03: canPlayType() returns... "", "probably", "maybe"
thestringpuller: bats_cd03: i dunno. i guess i rate things on a scale of lupin the third to cowboy bebop
thestringpuller: which isn't even a bad...good scale more like a "weird...straight forward" scale
decimation: asciilifeform: it reads like mathematical masturbation to me
decimation: watch as I abuse the assumptions in this formula... next week, I try another!
bats_cd03: i am but a simpleton in regards to cryptography
dsherm: nice to witness hard money supporters in action
decimation: asciilifeform: in this sense cryptography is "fragile" in Taleb's way of thinking - it has a very deep but very tiny "crack"
decimation: asciilifeform: yes that, but even more - you must keep the tools to 'break' it yourself to make it useful
vmuser: Why +m if everybody gets +v? :)
dsherm: only got interested in econ post 2008
decimation: asciilifeform: thus leading to the logic that someone must create a useful 'secure terminal'
dsherm: decimation: i think hard money specifically crypto/btc is the tool that will drive us towards a better social structure
decimation: asciilifeform: right, but in the current computing world that exists, you must reveal your secrets to some von nuemann machine
decimation: asciilifeform: this is true. putting the 'weak link' on the human's shoulders puts a spotlight on his foibles
decimation: it's possible that a public key encryption system could exist that would be mentally tractable
decimation: like the 3-d calculus required to catch a ball?
decimation: dsherm: I agree with you, I don't see how the world 'reverses' bitcoin as an invention
decimation: asciilifeform: some kind of 'memory palace' with a calculator :)
dsherm: decimation: well they're gonna try. soon i suspect? i also wonder if bitcoin is the black swan that causes the next crisis
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah this brings up stuff that humans do well that computers cannot
decimation: asciilifeform: it does seem that mental rsa is more likely to be useful than a totally new system
decimation: asciilifeform: which is why elliptic key systems still have doubt cast upon them (plus the patent issues)
decimation: asciilifeform: what do you think about djb's curve parameters?
decimation: he seems less likely to be a tool of usg than others, but maybe that's what they want us to think..
assbot: Curve25519: high-speed elliptic-curve cryptography
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decimation: if 10 people rate you -1, should that be balanced by one 10?
TheNewDeal: ;;rate BlueMeanie4 1 usg scientist. may negrate soon
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TheNewDeal: have there been a larger than normal amount of random names dropping by for a day as of late?
dsherm: TheNewDeal: i will probably be one of those guys. i gotta learn how to use this irc thing
dsherm: was reading contravex blog
TheNewDeal: what was the contravex blog blagging about
dsherm: i hang out on reddit but it has moved away from libertarian roots
dsherm: TheNewDeal: bitcoin and deflation
assbot: The problem of too much money pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
TheNewDeal: this is one of my pet peeves. bitcoin is not libertarian
dsherm: danielpbarron: well r/bitcoin used to be more libertarian
decimation: dsherm: 'libertarian' has always been a losing ideology. the idea that the state will choose not the pirate what it can pirate is silly
dsherm: TheNewDeal: Bitcoin is hard money which appeals to libertarians
TheNewDeal: sure, but it appeals to democrats, republicans, and anarchists, and anyone on the earth with more than 5 brain cells and a computer
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: Well, a difference is who it appealed to and when
dsherm: TheNewDeal: well then a greater percentage of anarchists seem to have more than 5 brain cells
TheNewDeal: i think it appealed to cryptographers first and foremost
dsherm: TheNewDeal: i suspect those crypto were also libertarians
TheNewDeal: suspect what you will. I'm just saying it appeals to those who understand it, and I've seen cases of libertards not doing that
decimation: TheNewDeal: the pro-state element (most of whom you named) certainly are not fans of hard money, insofar as it upsets the status quote (state controls money)
ben_vulpes: <BlueMeanie4> make your system usable for christ sakes << paha cs-folken can't in2 gpg and gribble?
dsherm: TheNewDeal: They may understand bitcoin but do they understand the implications of it
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: what's the deal with your rating of bluemeanie4?
TheNewDeal: many of the pro-statists don't like the status quo. Haven't you seen all the hippies complain about the 1%?
TheNewDeal: obummer ran on the pretense of "Change"
decimation: TheNewDeal: good point. it would be a mistake to attempt to analyze pablum with logic
decimation: as moldbug would say, the pro-state element survives on the promise of getting an ever shrinking shard of 'power'
assbot: Logged on 27-08-2014 01:01:27; *: asciilifeform digs in archive for the little story about the wall street 'hft' folks who omit all (!) crypto because 'speed.'
jborkl: Damn 2012, I have to get a life
ben_vulpes: <nubbins`> there's a dick surgery song about this very thing << where's the dick surgery album?
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dsherm: decimation: 'libertarian' has always been a losing ideology. the idea that the state will choose not the pirate what it can pirate is silly....why is lib silly
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform is quite sure that he didn't hallucinate it, though << one of many reasons I advertise my drinking, keeps this feasible
TheNewDeal: asciilifeform he's a usg scientist inasfar as he believes he knows the cures to all the problems in bitcoin, but in actuality, he only thoroughly understands what makes the USG machine so shitacular
jborkl: How did the mike_c IPO go? Did not keep up enough lately
kakobrekla: i thought hallucinations are default in us.
BingoBoingo: jborkl: I believe everything sold above the advertised price
decimation: dsherm: by what means are you going to limit the size of the state?
TheNewDeal: i'm a usian and I can testify to that fact kakobrekla
dsherm: decimation: it was limited in the past by an inferior form of hard money called gold.
decimation: asciilifeform: welcome to the desert of the real
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jborkl: ben_vulpes how is the advertising going?
decimation: dsherm: there is some point to this, but as long as the state has a 'monopoly on violence' this isn't much of a limit
TheNewDeal: couple thousand coins sitting between 500, not the ten thousand there were before the dip
ben_vulpes: jborkl: some amount of market validation. still mostly insiders.
ben_vulpes: running on bitbet now, coinroll's advertising a bit now
dsherm: decimation: you need to be able to pay for that monopoly though
jborkl: I think it is a terrific idea and good timing
BingoBoingo not sure it has been 7 days since those started and BitBet's started last night
ben_vulpes: its a pretty dumb-dumb implementation of impression tracking too - bitbet's numbers are only going to go up for the next 5 days or so
assbot: eightyeight +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
jborkl: Nice, not I had not seen that yet
BingoBoingo: BitBet is going to win the impressions race
BingoBoingo: Unless MP saves an obscure but beloved software project again
ben_vulpes: not that those are umbers that really matter
kakobrekla: asciilifeform got a pdf or somesuch per chance?
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: They don't matter beyond telling fluffypony to STFU and blog moar
ben_vulpes: yeah fluffypony you gotta make some posts b
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: If you offer a pdf, I'll take whatever language kako accepts
assbot: Logged on 12-08-2014 21:19:59; asciilifeform: mike_c: unlikely that anyone will ever offer enough to make it worth 'my site has ads now'...
assbot: Lem Stanislaw - Kongres Futurologiczny.pdf
decimation: asciilifeform: vk.com is an excellent place to find original krtek videos
decimation: as well as all kinds of soviet strange
TheNewDeal: anywhere to find an engrish version :(
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: You've never chewed on strange languages before?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: it's not any kind of a denigration
jborkl: Ben_vulpes. Explain how it pays? Not sure on the pool btc
ben_vulpes: ah well you see people bid what they're willing to pay for a day
ben_vulpes: every day has a pool, the sum of coins bid on it for that day
ben_vulpes: each ad runs proportionately to its bid relative to the rest of the pool
ben_vulpes: venue operators rake in 99% of the bids. we take the bitcoin gold standard 1%.
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: I'm rushing to get to speaking, but dictionary assisted reading is like a nice puzzle
TheNewDeal: in russian? or what is that language :/
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: Identifying the language is the most fun part
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i think we all understand where your ask is and where the bids currently are. as much as i'd love to have the slot, you have to want it as well for the deal to make any sense for both of us.
TheNewDeal: russian would be a good language to learn. Some of the best authors wrote in russian
decimation: some things simply resist commercialism
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BingoBoingo rememebers "There's no such thing as a standard deal" bandied about here before
decimation: all kinds of fiat research has shown improvements in multiple cognitive traits in the multilingual
ben_vulpes: bang-up programmers work well in a myriad of environments.
decimation: asciilifeform: this is true, it does seem to beg the question
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Or would have us all typing lojban
TheNewDeal: ;;later tell mike_c what's going on with the War, man?
decimation: asciilifeform: indeed. usually this reversal of causation is a way to route around politically incorrect truths
ben_vulpes: <BlueMeanie4> thats how a money supply expands << i'm quite excited about this monetary system without insane expansion all the time.
decimation: ben_vulpes: note he didn't answer my question about a finite quantity of money being sufficient
ben_vulpes: all i know is that the house is on fire
ben_vulpes: (don't complain if it gets wet when i put it out...)
BingoBoingo: In considering ben_vulpes ad platform we knwo the people who have advertised on the blogs established in #b-a's life and wonders who will come of of the shadows to advertise on Loper... because unexpected figures may emerge...
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: actually, you don't know the people.
ben_vulpes: all you know are the links they're linking.
decimation is depressed about usg beating the new new new iraq war drums
ben_vulpes: even all i know is the gpg key the user uses to sign up and any funding addresses
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: I remember stumbling into asciilifeform's hypercard post well before I did the same into bitcoin... Through /. of all places
ben_vulpes: but you can run your own ad whatever fraction of the time you're willing to pay for...
ben_vulpes: mind you van still takes 1% of your baseline pool, even though the rest goes back directly to you.
ben_vulpes: and a complicated optimization problem to boot.
nubbins`: ben_vulpes we'll eventually issue a compilation, but you can find that particular song somewhere on our website
decimation: ben_vulpes: seems like a cool system, but would Leibniz decorate his Theodicee with ads for cookies?
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> -ev (for me, naturally. can't speak for anyone else) << Between the benevolent Kakobrekla donation and the MP seeding on the Van ads first month, if I hold long enough maybe I'll be able to wrest Alpha from Intel and host the blog on 22nm chips of a not shitty heritage...
ben_vulpes: see BingoBoingo's looking at the long term. patience, stamina...
ben_vulpes: he also doesn't need as much to pay for the space, emotionally, as asciilifeform does
ben_vulpes: this whole thing's been a really eye opening exercise in pricing
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> he also doesn't need as much to pay for the space, emotionally, as asciilifeform doe << I do, but on a different standard. asciilifeform's blog has been going much longer than mine and with greater sustained excellence
ben_vulpes: * asciilifeform not a believer in 'один раз не пидарас' :(
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> perhaps there is even a 'socrates' dildo. << Sure, sold in the under 12 section in the toy store
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform it's just thatr i can't locate any data showign they are succesfull to any degree. but anyway. << crickets i tell ya crickets
assbot: A sad story, illustrated pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
decimation: asciilifeform: Der Werbeslogan lautete 1898: „Was ißt die Menschheit unterwegs? Na selbstverständlich Leibniz Cakes!“ "The 1898 advertisement: What does humanity eat while on the move? Why Leibniz Cakes of course!
decimation: it goes on to say that apparently Leibniz researched a method for producing a hard biscut for feeding soldiers on the march
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BingoBoingo wonders if asciilifeform is a sufficient masochist to try building Loper on the back of his MIPS or if MIPS workstation will be an intermediate product...
decimation: asciilifeform: did the zeks eat melba toast
decimation: BingoBoingo: MIPS workstations are easy to purchase, buy an old sparc
BingoBoingo: decimation: SPARC is RISC, sure, but not quite minimal instruction..
decimation: BingoBoingo: write your own "brainfuck" machine on fpga if you want minimal
decimation: asciilifeform: do you also have one of those tadpoles?
decimation: surely those are available surplus for cheap these days
assbot: Loper OS » You have made your bedrock, now lie in it.
BingoBoingo envisions not ancientware or deck or cards but something that fits in an ATX case, roughly 2009 midrange intel performance
BingoBoingo: decimation: Tadpole laptops are still as expensive as fuck
decimation: BingoBoingo: I suspect most of them were destroyed rather than sold surplus
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I've looked at the SGI octane
decimation: asciilifeform: well it is certainly true that 'brainfuck' is not a habitable bedrock
BingoBoingo: decimation> BingoBoingo: I suspect most of them were destroyed rather than sold surplus << I imagine problem is more akin to why everything Alpha is still as expensive as fuck
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: But the later ones have this dilema where they are advertised for quite a bit or scrapped
decimation remembers playing with alpha machine circa 2001, thinking it was quaint
decimation: usg doesn't allow its surplus computers which have touched anything sensitive to return to reality unharmed
decimation: probably 90% of the tadpoles/alphas were sold into that market I suspect
decimation: asciilifeform: back in WWII almost nothing was classified
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BingoBoingo: Well, you don't need classified when everyone is treated like adults
decimation: asciilifeform: well, I did say almost. "routine" information that would be classified today was generally not, back then. of course things like ULTRA were classified
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decimation: lol ebay search for 'tadpole' turns up... baby frogs
decimation: asciilifeform: If true, that's ironic considering the total failure of anyone to keep those secrets from day one
decimation: asciilifeform: well, I imagine that these 'security officers' were not highly trained physicists for one thing. which brings up the point - how does usg keep its secrets if its security officers are not smart enough to understand them?
decimation: one imagines such cargo cults must be rampant
decimation: anyway with that I must retire, good evening gents