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assbot: xanthyos +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
kakobrekla: !up xanthyos
danielpbarron: !down xanthyos
kakobrekla: !s xanthyos
assbot: xanthyos +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
kakobrekla: you two have issues ?
assbot: xanthyos +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
kakobrekla: !up xanthyos
xanthyos: he thinks i'm going to embarass him in here
xanthyos: because he's a cunt and he likes to keep a facade in here to impress mp
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31300 @ 0.00063815 = 19.9741 BTC [+] {2}
xanthyos: ;;rate danielpbarron -1 fickle with his friends, uses the bible to justify being disloyal
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user danielpbarron has changed from 8 to -1.
xanthyos: danielpbarron: tell your drug dealer friend i want him to settle his debt with me immediately.
xanthyos: i'm cutting ties with both of you
xanthyos: now i feel awkward, and i'm sorry for disrupting things.
BingoBoingo: !up xanthyos
BingoBoingo: !up nineX_
BingoBoingo: !up apheleon
xanthyos: didn't feel comfortable staying on danielpbarron 's server anymore
xanthyos: fastest way to cut ties digitally
xanthyos: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:8ab73bf3e1298b53394a1ec3d5aacc63499b1dc8d0a0eb2a5681b079
gribble: You are now authenticated for user xanthyos with key B62E7295387001E9
xanthyos: hm seems i've been banned from -otc, guess the scammers in there are looking to preempt something
mircea_popescu: <xanthyos> because he's a cunt and he likes to keep a facade in here to impress mp << all teh dramaz ?
xanthyos: being a cunt helps him be an effective derp reporter though.
nubbins` yawns, stretches
nubbins`: tell us more
assbot: Claim: Microsoft Alt-F4'd Chilean government open-source install bid The Register
xanthyos: i got the anger out and now all i have is shame.
nubbins`: sweet
mircea_popescu: lol funny how the emotional balance works.
nubbins`: torpor and catharsis
mircea_popescu: !up keows
keows: hello
keows: is BTCJAM bad for bitcoin?
keows: will the WOT prevail?
mircea_popescu: depends whose.
keows: i will send you a penny in bitcoin if you say KEOWS
keows: mircea_popescu:
mircea_popescu: wait wut ?
mircea_popescu: !s Slappy Squirrel
assbot: Chinese hackers spied on investigators of Flight MH370 - report The Register
mircea_popescu: well in that case...
assbot: Slappy Squirrel - Who's on Stage? - YouTube
asciilifeform: run moar winblows.
cazalla: ThickAsThieves: cazalla, is it fibromyalgia? >> I've been told it's somatization but i don't know tbh, i've exhausted whatever medical investigation i've been sent for, cardiologist said whatever it is, not my heart, neuro said whatever it is, not neurological, never tried cannabis for it, doesn't agree with me anyway so not an option
keows: i will send you one penny worth of bitcoins if you simply say
keows: KEOWS
keows: mircea_popescu:
nubbins`: a penny, sweet
mircea_popescu: "This was well-crafted malware that antivirus programs couldn't detect. It was a very sophisticated attack," Wahab added. << "it didn't come with a warning box to click on"
mircea_popescu: keows keep it.
keows: at first i read "keows it up"
keows: and i go happy
keows: then i read again and im sad panda
ThickAsThieves: my cat just brought my wife's sports bra to me from across the house, waddling its front legs as it dragged in front in its mouth
mircea_popescu: apparently cat thinks you're developing nicely.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform btw, left handle a comment blasting him about his "baseline expectation" bs.
BingoBoingo: !s handle
assbot: FSI Language Courses - Home
asciilifeform: herr handle, incidentally, is employed as (not a secret) a lawyer.
asciilifeform: though, afaik, not the variety that argues cases.
asciilifeform had some very entertaining conversations with the fellow about peculiarities of american law, as practiced
mircea_popescu: "Your content isn't worth much to begin with if it goes down in value as it gets shared." this is an interesting concept.
asciilifeform: presumably not counting the degenerate cases (e.g. private keys) ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 668 @ 0.00090151 = 0.6022 BTC [+] {4}
mircea_popescu: well secrets != content.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: maximizing the market is not a valid goal of economics any more than maximizing body weight is not a valid goal of medicine. << lulz
BingoBoingo: !up RagnarsBitch
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13547 @ 0.00063802 = 8.6433 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24200 @ 0.00063942 = 15.474 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 878 @ 0.0009889 = 0.8683 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 98 @ 0.01009999 = 0.9898 BTC [-]
RagnarDanneskjol: !up BingoBoingo
RagnarDanneskjol: wow very nice
assbot: Baby Finds His Umbilical Cord, Passes Out - Medical Satire - GomerBlog
assbot: Lolvacute, pentru posteritate pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
assbot: Fertilized Hipster Egg Decides Uterus Just not my style, Moves to Abdomen - Medical Satire - GomerBlog
assbot: Amir Taaki has done, and continues to do, huge disservice to anyone serious involved in Bitcoin. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17956 @ 0.00063984 = 11.489 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 66 @ 0.01069888 = 0.7061 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 60 @ 0.01069888 = 0.6419 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell jborkl http://www.bcoinnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/sharkbite-300x187.jpg << you know those bitcoin vignettes added on pictures would look a lot better if they were on transparent background.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
fluffypony needs coffee
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes re your article, there was at least another scam derpopoulous pushed. can't seem to recall wtf it was tho.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony i'm curious what you'd be like if there was no coffee for a week or two.
fluffypony: when I go hiking I don't take coffee with
fluffypony: Otter Trail 10 day hike was fine
fluffypony: it's different when you're out there and active and not staring at a screen all day
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14155 @ 0.00064104 = 9.0739 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo lol the past! "Sep 04 22:37:31 * ciuciu (~chatzilla@96.127.204.194) has joined #bitcoin-assets"
mircea_popescu: !s from:ciuciu
BingoBoingo: I don't think he's been on since public logs
mircea_popescu: what did he defraud his "numerous investors" with ? some sort of mining farm was it
BingoBoingo: Mining, a bond? Twas before I really started taking notes.
mircea_popescu: yeah something like that.
mircea_popescu: "The Bitcoin community is not just overwhelmingly larger but of overwhelmingly better quality as well. Bitcoin is surrounded by real entrepreneurs working hard to create new and useful services for Bitcoin. Altcoins are surrounded by loud-mouthed pretenders with irrational hopes of duplicating Nakamoto's success."
mircea_popescu: krawisz stomping heads
fluffypony: although, Bitcoin "entrepreneurs" aren't much better
mircea_popescu: well obviously everything will be surrounded by a bunch of tims.
BingoBoingo: Back then it didn't much matter what people called their own things as those labels were rarely accurate
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo quite.
mircea_popescu: more a function of what had been on tv that week / what the person picked up from google finance.
mircea_popescu: hey have developed a series of fallacies capable of fooling newcomers into joining them, but they are all disingenuous.
mircea_popescu: Thus, the altcoin communities are not just embarrassing, but dangerous. Desperately wishing to be taken seriously despite having nothing worthwhile to offer, they will say absolutely anything to convince other people to join them. They persist in saying things easily refuted by economic logic, common sense, or verifiable facts.
mircea_popescu: well dangerous, but this is a good thing.
mircea_popescu: a world without danger is not a world.
abathingape: homework in america for colleges is becoming pay to use,
abathingape: its like $80 a class
assbot: McGraw-Hill Connect
mircea_popescu: abathingape someone should make a "fuck your girlfriend" service.
mircea_popescu: collect money from well to do white people, trick aspirational hispanos into working for free to "prove themselves", show a profit.
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 505.01, Best ask: 505.03, Bid-ask spread: 0.02000, Last trade: 505.01, 24 hour volume: 6183.65763719, 24 hour low: 496.0, 24 hour high: 515.95, 24 hour vwap: 505.029295457
mircea_popescu: sadly the guy has a bitcoin address as a coinbase wallet and a pgp but no wot. wtf.
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 175 Ask: 221 Last Price: 170 24h-Vol: 0k High: 170 Low: 170 VWAP: 169
assbot: Familia traditionala versus harem - studiu comparativ pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: !up NumberSix_
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8479 @ 0.0006366 = 5.3977 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic: I'm amazed at the trust people put into PoS, but then again after seeing the investment section of bitcointalk it isn't that surprising << makes two of us.
mircea_popescu: the best construction i can put on it is, "hey, the whiteknighting virgin geeks have finally found a way to express their usual "a guy that really loves and respects you and cares" derpage into bitcoin form"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: re: nail polish poison detector << how many cases of dysentery from the finger dips. << i would imagine you dribble rather than dip.
BingoBoingo: "There is no principle difference between the ideal treatment for slaves captured in war and of children born in traditional families, both are people chained to their captors by some imagined debt, of which they personally have not acquiesced." << Interesting, if this is a roughly worthwhile translation.
mircea_popescu: o wow look at this poor bluemeanie dude, he loves me all over the log then i come in and am like all mean to him.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 69 @ 0.011 = 0.759 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you got most of it flawlessly, but the intro is a bitch
mircea_popescu: Nu exista in principiu o diferenta de tratament ideal < tratament ideal is, "ideal treatment", in the sense of normative, prescriptive treatment.
mircea_popescu: "nu exista in principiu" means there doesnt exist (nu exista) for absolute reasons (in principiu, roughly, following from principle, for reasons derived from prime principles)
mircea_popescu: so, "the ideal treatment of one does not differ from the other for reasons that are derived from prime principles".
mircea_popescu: the point being that while you're welcome to disagree in practice, your doing so is arbitrariety not reason.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: exponentially difficult << 'learn' for translating a diplomat - perhaps hard; reading articles in your armchair slowly - not so hard << the diplomat in question doth protest.
mircea_popescu: (you meant live dubbing didn't you)
BingoBoingo: "In net opposition to this bizarre and at least in appearance sick model of social organization, the harem shows some clear advantages."
mircea_popescu: some ample cleavages.
mircea_popescu: !up Niko__
mircea_popescu: the log is so self referrential omfg. first there's http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-08-2014#806551 then there's http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-08-2014#806604 sometimes it feels like it just works on its own.
assbot: Logged on 23-08-2014 19:26:23; BlueMeanie4: hey if the mod is going to silence me for no voiced reason mid conversation- why bother?
assbot: Logged on 23-08-2014 20:11:27; BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/lisawomersley/status/499771410751815682
BingoBoingo still has yet to recieve spam from the SEC/CIA/NSA/DHS/DEA/NYDSFMOGWTFBBQ asking him to read Trilema for them...
mircea_popescu: how could they possibly trust you ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I have WoT! as some people from other channels might suggest...
mircea_popescu: you don't understand how the government works. it'll never pay you to do something you're already interested in.
Niko__: greetings
BingoBoingo: Oh, that part of the problem
mircea_popescu: ello Niko__
BingoBoingo: Welcome Niko__
mircea_popescu: who're you ?
Niko__: someone who has enough knowledge to himself in trouble
BingoBoingo: Ah allegedly I myself into trouble all the time
mircea_popescu: An organist playing old Stork had a prick that could hold a small fork, and between obbligatos he'd munch on tomatoes to keep up his strength while at work.
Niko__: lol
Niko__: thats one dextrous dick
mircea_popescu: !up wallet42
mircea_popescu: fun fact re the old stork : milton berle was banned there. along with bogart.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11699 @ 0.00064207 = 7.5116 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: Once, while in attendance at a party, a guest made a comment about rape, and Bankhead reportedly replied, "I was raped in our driveway when I was eleven. You know darling, it was a terrible experience because we had all that gravel."
mircea_popescu: now why do i think "all about eve";s margo is drawn after bankhead ?
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 501.4, Best ask: 504.27, Bid-ask spread: 2.87000, Last trade: 504.33, 24 hour volume: 6672.75954235, 24 hour low: 496.79, 24 hour high: 515.95, 24 hour vwap: 504.895097955
thestringpuller: !last m s.mpoe
assbot: Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.00064207 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: In 1933, Bankhead nearly died following a five-hour emergency hysterectomy due to venereal disease. Only 70 pounds (32 kg) when she left the hospital, she stoically said to her doctor, "Don't think this has taught me a lesson!"
mircea_popescu: apparently they took out her largest part.
assbot: Game 25 - Death 7104 Life 2896 Year 1000 - War of Life
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 239819.71 in 1739 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -87.23
fluffypony: my ANX debit cards arrived
punkman: fluffypony: how much paperwork did it take?
punkman: also, is their exchange any good?
fluffypony: not much, normal exchange verification stuff
fluffypony: plus they posted me a letter with a code to confirm my address on file
fluffypony: it seems decent - based out of Hong Kong, so that's their primary market
fluffypony: the cards are backed by a bank in Poland
fluffypony: mBank SA
punkman: interesting "When a buy or sell order is submitted, the ANXBTC platform receives matching orders from an extensive number of buyers and sellers who have registered as part of the ANX Open Dealer Network. "
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15200 @ 0.00063931 = 9.7175 BTC [-] {2}
RagnarDanneskjol: ANX is good people. I know them personally. I'm pissed someone else got their card before me
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker
BingoBoingo: ;;lasers
gribble: ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*
wywialm: fluffypony, is there any info on the mBank backing the ANX card?
fluffypony: wywialm: I actually have an account with them from a couple of years back, they're Polish
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17700 @ 0.00063661 = 11.268 BTC [-] {2}
wywialm: I know that mBank is Polish :) however, is it official that mBank backs this ANX card?
BingoBoingo: Oh, the things Jimmothy posts when he isn't persecuting mircea_popescu for being European https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=521520.msg8507845#msg8507845
assbot: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - carrier grade, data center ready mining rigs
punkman: think I've seen lots of people resell mbank debit cards
punkman: usually "anonymous"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.293997 = 1.47 BTC [-]
punkman: fluffypony: if you already had an account with them, what's the benefit of the anx card?
fluffypony: punkman: I didn't realise that it was provided by mBank
fluffypony: this was just for fun and to have something lying around that I can load BTC on to and swipe if I really want to
wywialm: the ANX card is not anonymous, is it?
fluffypony: wywialm you have to verify your account with ANX
fluffypony: but the card is in their name
fluffypony: and verification is pretty loose
wywialm: thanks for the info
atcbot: 16k@250 2k@245 43k@221 | 95k@175 15k@170 125k@165
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 502.65, Best ask: 504.0, Bid-ask spread: 1.35000, Last trade: 502.63, 24 hour volume: 6750.38002864, 24 hour low: 496.79, 24 hour high: 515.95, 24 hour vwap: 505.080802734
thestringpuller: is ticker down?
BingoBoingo: !up mpmcsweeney
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8400 @ 0.00064335 = 5.4041 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00063631 = 6.4904 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.293998 = 0.882 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: !up gernika
BingoBoingo: Hello gernika
BingoBoingo: What brings you round these parts. (apologies If I've asked before, I drink)
gernika: Ah. Well, I'm interested in bitcoin. Been reading the logs for a few weeks now.
nubbins`: !up samO
nubbins`: oh, hm
nubbins`: !down Guest32652
nubbins`: !up samO
samO: thx nubbins`
nubbins`: willkommen
atcbot: No data returned from CoinMiner.net
atcbot: [PityThePool Hashrate]: 718.23 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.26 TH/s
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 240385.82 in 1737 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -87.20
atcbot: 1 hour 0 minutes and 15 seconds
BingoBoingo: It's definitely moving
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 175 Ask: 221 Last Price: 170 24h-Vol: 0k High: N/A Low: N/A VWAP: N/A
thestringpuller: lol whut???????
gribble: Time since last block: 41 minutes and 14 seconds
BingoBoingo: Still stuck in that post dump price standoff
nubbins`: woo, i've got enough aeroplan points for two round-trip tickets anywhere in north america
nubbins` twists invisible mustache
xmj: congrats
thestringpuller: nubbins` wubbins
thestringpuller: nubbins`: the designer will email you with a signed message
thestringpuller: ;;gettrust petenineteen
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user petenineteen: Level 1: 6, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=thestringpuller&dest=petenineteen | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=petenineteen | Rated since: Wed Aug 20 22:28:26 2014
nubbins`: tyvm for the pre-announcement 8)
thestringpuller: ;;gettrust nubbins
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user nubbins: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=thestringpuller&dest=nubbins | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=nubbins | Rated since: never
pankkake: ;;gettrust thestringpuller nubbins`
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user nubbins`: Level 1: 2, Level 2: 6 via 4 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=thestringpuller&dest=nubbins%60 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=nubbins%60 | Rated since: Wed Oct 16 19:58:53 2013
pankkake: nubbins prime?
pankkake: or nubbins backtick
nubbins`: backtick, i guess
nubbins`: i'm admittedly unsure
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1212 @ 0.00083001 = 1.006 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7600 @ 0.00063564 = 4.8309 BTC [-]
jborkl: http://www.bcoinnews.com/price/ added BTC/gold to the grid and to the main price ticker
assbot: Bitcoin exchange price
thestringpuller: interesting jborkl
thestringpuller: random question for you
jborkl: sure
thestringpuller: old mining hardware that becomes worthless to run as diff goes up
thestringpuller: is it best to throw it away
thestringpuller: or would their be a way to recycle the components in some kinda "liquidation event"?
ben_vulpes: forum'll apparently buy anything.
kakobrekla: yeah, you can liquidate it by throwing it in hot magma
thestringpuller: LOL kakobrekla
jborkl: mine is in the closet, the fpgas retained value since they could be retasked
jborkl: but current gen i think trash
thestringpuller: I was just wondering because I used to do IT for a company that would buy large amounts of old CPU's, and sell them to recyclers who would extract precious metals from them.
jborkl: I am not sure on that one 100%, I don't think there is anything worth it
jborkl: but I do not really know, just looking at the ones under my desk and they look like trash
jborkl: heh
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22200 @ 0.0006385 = 14.1747 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 317427 | Current Difficulty: 2.38446700388033E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 318527 | Next Difficulty In: 1100 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 6 hours, 29 minutes, and 46 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 25928994612.9 | Estimated Percent Change: 8.74126
thestringpuller: that's so sad
thestringpuller: what a waste of silicon with such a limited lifespan....
ben_vulpes: <BlueMeanie4> some of these bitcoin people are reminiscint of the french revolution. for a few weeks they thought they could completely redesign the whole universe. << that party did rewrite the rules, and bitcoin'll do the same.
ben_vulpes: (1500 lines behind...)
pankkake: uh, if Bitcoin is the French revolution, I'm out
artifexd: ;;later tell mike_c Any thoughts on why S.MPOE has fallen off a cliff?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6945 @ 0.00064287 = 4.4647 BTC [+]
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
nubbins`: ^ just arrived in the mail :D
pankkake: nice
pankkake: was that expensive or did no one think about buying those?
nubbins`: they're very hard to find
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5766 @ 0.00064264 = 3.7055 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.58037915 BTC to 14`987 shares, 10545 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 2.54147348 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 221 satoshi per share
b00lcrap: test
b00lcrap: herp
TomServo: nubbins`: Mind mentioning how/where you found it?
b00lcrap: there was an Easter egg hunt?
TomServo: !up Kamuela
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9089 @ 0.00063564 = 5.7773 BTC [-]
nubbins`: TomServo, got it from another collector :D
TheNewDeal: !t m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00062893 / 0.00063654 / 0.00064393 (694057 shares, 441.80 BTC), 7D: 0.00062821 / 0.00065564 / 0.00070855 (4324841 shares, 2,835.54 BTC), 30D: 0.00062821 / 0.0007684 / 0.00094217 (18819481 shares, 14,460.91 BTC)
Kamuela: do you folks have a favorite crypto market?
TheNewDeal: krakken
TheNewDeal: it really kraks me up
kakobrekla: kraken is selective scam
TheNewDeal: I was reading an article the other day that the founder/owner created it after helping mark karpeles run mt gox
TheNewDeal: made me chuckle
Kamuela: trying to open chrome on mint... and nothing happens. it's like trying to start a car with a dead battery
asciilifeform: b00lcrap: this isn't how it works. gotta say something of substance.
b00lcrap: haha
b00lcrap: im just observing
b00lcrap: so far i have said nothing
b00lcrap: mostly just idle.
Kamuela: I read the article on nakamotoinstitute that mentioned this channel
Kamuela: got me all hoo-rah'd and so here I am
TheNewDeal: never heard of nakomotoinstitute
TheNewDeal: who wrote that
Kamuela: did I probably butcher the real name? lol let me try to get the link. give me a moment to delete my chrome profile...
assbot: Satoshi Nakamoto Institute
TomServo: presumably
TomServo: Kamuela: But which article references b-a?
Kamuela: I'm trying to fix chrome so I can show you lol, the process refuses to die
TomServo: Gah, I forgot MP had an article there.. it was probably: http://nakamotoinstitute.org/gpg-contracts/
assbot: GPG Contracts | Satoshi Nakamoto Institute
assbot: Bitcoin: Killer of Nietzschean Nihilism | Satoshi Nakamoto Institute
TheNewDeal: that's a bcp article
TheNewDeal: pete_d
Duffer1: looks like he was credited, but i can't tell what the website is supposed to be
pankkake: they're credited and were asked
TheNewDeal: website is just a blog aggregator it looks like, also add in some "reading materials"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5365 @ 0.0006101 = 3.2732 BTC [-] {12}
pankkake: well, it's a human selection
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 225 @ 0.00287188 = 0.6462 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.29399928 = 2.058 BTC [+] {2}
TheNewDeal: true true
Kamuela: TheNewDeal: is it? i was under the impression mempool was all original articles
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10834 @ 0.00063841 = 6.9165 BTC [+]
Kamuela: extremely exuberant pro-Bitcoin original articles lol
TheNewDeal: what do you mean by original articles?
TheNewDeal: about 3/4 of them are written by two of the site "Director of Research" or "Treasurer"
Duffer1: !up kamuela
Kamuela: Duffer1: thank you
Duffer1: ^.^
Kamuela: TheNewDeal: we may be talking about two different things
assbot: The Memory Pool | Satoshi Nakamoto Institute
TheNewDeal: that's what I'm talking about
Kamuela: ah yeah, same here. you said blog aggregator though, which is why i said that it seemed they were original articles, which they are, right?
Kamuela: not saying they're more than essays though or that the main focus of that area is lots of content
TheNewDeal: I was wondering what you considered an "original article"
Kamuela: content that wasn't republished from somewhere else. am i totally wrong? do all those cite their original sources?
Kamuela: figured they were born on the site
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 70 @ 0.01173 = 0.8211 BTC [+]
pankkake: some of them were first published there yes
TheNewDeal: the only article not written by the two site people is the one from pete_d
mircea_popescu: <fluffypony> it seems decent - based out of Hong Kong, so that's their primary market the cards are backed by a bank in Poland << so weirdly contradictory.
fluffypony: it's prepaid debit cards
fluffypony: so it doesn't really matter who issues them :)
mircea_popescu: no argument, it's just teh postmodernism
thestringpuller: ;;later tell mike_c seconded
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: punkman:
mircea_popescu: interesting "When a buy or sell order is submitted, the ANXBTC platform receives matching orders from an extensive number of buyers and sellers who have registered as part of the ANX Open Dealer Network. " << "we selftrade. deal with it"
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: What brings you round these parts. (apologies If I've asked before, I drink) << i'm stealin gthis one.
nubbins`: !up topace
mircea_popescu: nubbins`: tyvm for the pre-announcement 8) << it's out of this world how the guy does things innit.
nubbins`: "does" ;D
mircea_popescu: it's almost as if he spent too long working in some large corp and it... changed him.
nubbins`: one of the reasons why i got out while i still could
nubbins`: "jon, you're drowning this man in information" "oh fuck, you're right"
TheNewDeal: ;;calc 204310/(100*pi)
gribble: 650.338928462
assbot: The Times January 3 2009 - Imgur
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: yeah, you can liquidate it by throwing it in hot magma << if you can throw things into it (-> air exposed) it's probably not hot enough to liquidate Si.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller: what a waste of silicon with such a limited lifespan.... << one of the more abundant elements and what sand is made out of. i never thought i'd see one feel sorry ~for silicon~
mircea_popescu: pankkake: uh, if Bitcoin is the French revolution, I'm out << the discussion was to amplitude. it is just as large an event. as i say there, it just happens to be going the other way, that's all.
mircea_popescu: Duffer1: looks like he was credited, but i can't tell what the website is supposed to be << best i can determine, it's aiming to be a b-a without the ba, predicated on the theory that you can somehow have ideologically neutral sources of power.
mircea_popescu: this is a lulzy proposition, but too complex a point to try and explain it. cheaper to just let people try and pick up the pieces later.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10451 @ 0.0006015 = 6.2863 BTC [-] {21}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7014 @ 0.0006 = 4.2084 BTC [-] {4}
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: re: irc - perhaps the conformal servers?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 83 @ 0.01166 = 0.9678 BTC [-]
Duffer1: !up kamuela
Kamuela: Thank you Duffer1
Duffer1: sure man
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69598 @ 0.0006433 = 44.7724 BTC [+] {3}
ben_vulpes: who is bcoinnews.com?
pankkake: jborkl
kakobrekla: if you can throw things into it (-> air exposed) < that is your ASSumption . i didnt say lava.
nubbins`: AYYYOOOOO
nubbins`: although this does bring us to the question of how you can throw things into magma
nubbins`: !up mpmcsweeney
kakobrekla ponders how to get out of that one.
kakobrekla: ah i got it.
nubbins`: argon
kakobrekla: its an exercise to alert reader.
nubbins`: suppose the molten rock is rising to the top of the cone, but has not yet reached it
nubbins`: still magma at this point?
kakobrekla: yeah mp, we totaly pwnd you. next time just say lol!
nubbins`: but would it melt Si!
kakobrekla: that is not even the point for a while now.
nubbins`: fair enough
nubbins`: meantime, your 5 posters should be printed and mailed out within the next week or so
Kamuela: i'm trying to figure out the best way to crowdfund a bitcoin project. i really want to give equity and profit-sharing because i think anything else is BS
kakobrekla: !up Kamuela
Kamuela: thank you kakobrekla
kakobrekla: what is the project about?
Kamuela: briefly, a bitcoin work market a la odesk. development team ready
kakobrekla: and you need capital for ?
Kamuela: kakobrekla: MVP development
kakobrekla: who are you/your team?
Kamuela: I'm in talks with differential to do it in the meteor framework
assbot: Differential | We Build Big Ideas
Kamuela: lol
kakobrekla: so you wanna be the ceo and pay someone to code something up?
kakobrekla: but to pay you need get capital.
kakobrekla: am i missing something?
Kamuela: i could attempt to develop it myself, but my skills there are really crap. i have designs and nearing full use cases for the MVP
Kamuela: yes, you've got it
thestringpuller: so you come to us #b-a this the day of our daughter's wedding
Kamuela: i'd like to keep it within bitcoin's community and equity based because everything else is a crock of sh** honestly. it's not fair to give people merchandise and coupons for something that's going to generate revenue
kakobrekla: ok so who are you and what makes you think you are theoretically capable of running such a thing?
Kamuela: and for it to be truly competitive to something like odesk, it will need to be flexible enough to establish itself in an overseas jurisdiction only when completely necessary. meaning dealing in USD first and setting up a bank account makes it legally complex from the getgo
Kamuela: someone who shares the interests of many for a Bitcoin work market, a go-to for both supplemental and potentially off-grid lifestyles
Kamuela: why am i the one? because i'm committed to keeping it useful for people as far as it can be taken. i'm not looking to grow and sell out. my interests are aligned with keeping it one of the most decentralized ways to act in the BTC economy
kakobrekla: how is it decentralized?
Kamuela: initially it isn't, it's a single-server application. but ultimately i will seek to develop many methods of access via alternate and distributed networks
Kamuela: the technology isn't decentralized first, but the idea that anyone can offer services and receive Bitcoin as compensation is the most decentralized of all exchanges, imo
Kamuela: you're always subject to a bank at a cash exchange
Kamuela: you also need to solve the problem of "what is Bitcoin useful for"
assbot: trixisowned comments on With the mtgox fiasco being long forgotten, Mark Karpeles launches a new business, "forever.net" selling VPS, VoIP & dedicated servers: bitcoin is NOT accepted.
abathingape: kekeke
Kamuela: speculating? that's it? one of the biggest uses of currency is in transaction and the building of capital. we have some stock markets and that's great and will continue to grow along with 2.0 uses, but as a currency it needs to facilitate real trade
Kamuela: the superniche initial target market are just Bitcoin supporters and enthusiasts, but ultimately it can compete with something like odesk by undercutting its fees especially as in many places getting into Bitcoin is getting ridiculously easy, meaning obtaining it
Kamuela: getting out is a bit harder, but something the initial contractors will shoulder voluntarily
kakobrekla: still dont know who you are.
Kamuela: who should I be? as a serious question
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kakobrekla: who are you?
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kakobrekla: sez enter username and password
Kamuela: are linkedin profiles not public?
Kamuela: kakobrekla: does this also require a login? http://lnkd.in/bA2NERy
assbot: Kamuela Franco | LinkedIn
kakobrekla: works
mod6: ;;seen moiety
gribble: moiety was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 weeks, 1 day, 7 hours, 10 minutes, and 35 seconds ago: <moiety> manuls for all! :]
kakobrekla: Kamuela well anyway, i can only show you the door, you are the one who has to step through it; http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets
assbot: first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki]
kakobrekla: (fyi i send everyone there, even ninjashogun - bad cases get slaughtered sooner or later)
kakobrekla: !up Kamuela
assbot: Idealism Personified - KamuelaFranco.com
Kamuela: kakobrekla: thank you, man, for both the voice and that
Kamuela: kakobrekla: it was me, but i've had that domain for years and years (previously) and some of the older stuff definitely reflects being 11 years old!
TheNewDeal: is moiety ded?
kakobrekla: TheNewDeal she left for undetermined amounts of t-matter.
assbot: Logged on 10-08-2014 11:09:36; moiety: I really didn't know what to say yesterday but I've had time to think now. I will leave the phone line on for the remainder of the term when I can and update the blog but I won't be able to be on IRC. Since I won't be on IRC anymore, if there is anything I should really know, please leave a message on skype or the blog. The reasons being, this isn't working out for me and I need to focus on working to keep
TomServo: Woah, that's new right?
kakobrekla: it sez right there, Logged on 10-08-2014 11:09:36
TomServo: I mean assbot quoting the actual log entry
kakobrekla: 2 days.
TomServo: Cool.
BingoBoingo: Guess who just had the Feds knock on their door!
kakobrekla: did you give them cookies?
BingoBoingo: Nah, Just let them in on all of my nothing I knew about a connection they suspected between DBordello's BTCPack and The Silk Road
TomServo: Or Gin and Tonic at least?
BingoBoingo: Nope, we stood in the front yard and talked
BingoBoingo: In the heat
kakobrekla: SR, really?
kakobrekla: still ?
BingoBoingo: I tried to explain the stupid Devcoin thing I used to get Bitcoins.
BingoBoingo: Yes, asking about the Silk Road
Duffer1: did they ask about your own bitcoin holdings?
Duffer1: or was it all SR?
BingoBoingo: It was all TSR and possible connections between it and BTCPak
TheNewDeal: going to have to look up this btcpak
Duffer1: yea never heard of that one
BingoBoingo: It was a site, you send Bitcoin they sent prepaid reload codes.
BingoBoingo: DBordello ran it
BingoBoingo: At the time CoinBase wasn't a thing I'd heard of
Duffer1: i wonder what makes them believe there's a connection
BingoBoingo: It was an Pasty Irish FBI agent who didn't want to stand in the sun and a Treasury agent
BingoBoingo: Duffer1: They said because it looks so anonymous.
Duffer1: .......
TheNewDeal: what the hell does that mean?
BingoBoingo is thankful he managed to avoid the whole Silk Road thing.
Duffer1: american enforcement mentality
Duffer1: black guy in hoody in winter? lets search him
TheNewDeal: looks anonymous!
BingoBoingo: Hi Agent Broachwala and/or your colleagues!
TheNewDeal: did they mean it looks Anonymous?
Duffer1: ohh
BingoBoingo: Seriously the kept saying suggesting everything in the Bitcoin was shady Tor related stuff.
BingoBoingo: Black Markets and all that.
TheNewDeal: if we can't trace it exactly... it's gotta be underground
BingoBoingo: They were like no one uses Bitcoin actually at Overstock.com ; I'm like... actually I totally bought a watch and some other shit http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/01/13/overstock-com-prolly-not-a-scam/
assbot: Overstock.com: Prolly not a scam | Bingo Blog
TheNewDeal: did they give you a decent exchange rate
Duffer1: i bought a handmade spalted mable/bubinga keepsake box for bitcoin on saturday
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: BTCPak was kind of a Gyp, but at the time it was the only thing that really.... Seemed reliable
BingoBoingo: Without taking days.
TheNewDeal: gotcha
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27631 @ 0.00064393 = 17.7924 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: The seemed so fucking incredulous that I with my unkempt hair and beard, could have somehow not used the silk road
BingoBoingo: !up mike_c
TheNewDeal: it's true, all unkempt hair & bearders at one time used the silk road
TheNewDeal: !up kamuela
BingoBoingo did not spot where they had a actually parked their Gasenwagen
Kamuela: TheNewDeal: thank you
TheNewDeal: everybody gets one
BingoBoingo: These agents apparently came all the way down from fucking Peoria, the one's card says.
BingoBoingo: ARE THERE NO FBI OR TREASURY AGENTS IN ST LOUIS.
BingoBoingo: They were prolly so insistent because it would suck to be them and drive all of the way down here to meet with a person as boring as myself.
TheNewDeal: hahaha
TheNewDeal: we're SURE you're more eccentric
BingoBoingo: !up mike_c_on_the_ro
BingoBoingo: I'm like if you want to talk shady sports betting sites that ran with user money... I know a couple. Fucking bitcoinsports.eu
mike_c_on_the_ro: mod6:;;later tell mike_c need help with WoL << what can I do you for?
ben_vulpes: <gribble> Rating entry successful. Your rating for user danielpbarron has changed from 8 to -1. << now that's nuts. 8 to -1? you people need to move more slowly with your ratings.
mike_c_on_the_ro: ;;seen mod6
gribble: mod6 was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 45 minutes and 40 seconds ago: <mod6> ;;seen moiety
mod6: check on game 700
mike_c_on_the_ro: goddamnit. ok, will do.
mod6: heh, no worries. just a heads up from this weekend.
BingoBoingo: The shitty thing about the ordeal on them asking about the goddamned Silk Road I didn't use was their knocking woke me up from my day-slumber
mike_c_on_the_ro: just frustrating, i thought i had that fixed.
BingoBoingo: So I'm looking like a fucking sweaty unkempt hobo meeting with these guys in the front lawn.
BingoBoingo: Really weird thing was the Agents suggesting that I'd never expect them to find me. I DON"T WORK THAT HARD TO KEEP ANONYMOUS. I just do the minimum to keep poor kids in shitholes from harassing me into giving them money.
TheNewDeal: love it
BingoBoingo: My impression of them before the badges cam out was they might be process servers come to harass me over student load debt.
mike_c_on_the_ro: you going to immortalize them in a blog post?
mike_c_on_the_ro: !t m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00062893 / 0.00063788 / 0.00064393 (698020 shares, 445.26 BTC), 7D: 0.00062821 / 0.00065441 / 0.00070855 (4353254 shares, 2,848.85 BTC), 30D: 0.00062821 / 0.00076768 / 0.00094217 (18927544 shares, 14,530.40 BTC)
BingoBoingo: mike_c_on_the_ro: Prolly. After I take a shower.
BingoBoingo: I was fucking hot outside.
thestringpuller: !last m s.mpoe
assbot: Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.00064393 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Also Hollywood lied. The FBI agent was wearing a black business suit, but instead a white polo and khakis.
BingoBoingo wonders how much time they will invest in trying to figure out the Devcoin thing
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 504.44, vol: 5556.89140818 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 501.451, vol: 2201.41425 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 502.45, vol: 7039.32678866 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 532.99, vol: 13.94734986 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 500.452875, vol: 14642.32000000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 516.11742, vol: 27.56 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 515.885399987, vol: 28.27053224 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 68 @ 0.01173226 = 0.7978 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 86 @ 0.01175 = 1.0105 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15078 @ 0.00064715 = 9.7577 BTC [+] {2}
thestringpuller: ;;later tell tylander sup
gribble: The operation succeeded.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: taleb << asciilifeform of course, who else?
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: guy's what, 60 by now ? << born 1960 it seems
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lol, you read Kvant ?!?! << who is this man, what sort of devil is he?
assbot: How I was wrong : Cuckolding, or a story about sigmas pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
pete_dushenski: decimation: asciilifeform: "it pattern-matches 'derp' and throws my concentration" << yeah I have the same experience. << you gents need better filters!
thestringpuller: ;;google GTA V original music
gribble: The Music of Grand Theft Auto V - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Music_of_Grand_Theft_Auto_V>; Grand Theft Auto V soundtrack - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Theft_Auto_V_soundtrack>; The Music of Grand Theft Auto V: Three Volume Digital Album Now ...: (1 more message)
thestringpuller: Damn i need to play this game again
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: decimation so taleb's mistake is that he's being a BANAL asshole ? << he does get a lot of the "o this is nothing new" retort
pete_dushenski: xanthyos: ;;rate danielpbarron -1 fickle with his friends, uses the bible to justify being disloyal << o_O drama
Duffer1: Amazon aquired Twitch
mike_c_on_the_ro: mod6: fixed.. going to dig into root cause when I get home. sorry for the hiccup.
mod6: no prob! thanks!
assbot: Black Market Cannabis Road Hacked, $100,000 in Bitcoin Lost
jborkl: :/
jborkl: really come on now
thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: there is a saying: Loyalty to the End do you know what it means?
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: sure
jborkl: oh, they were hit by the 1cat burglar
jborkl: not to be mistaken with the 1 ham burglar
jurov: re: melting Si - can't the purified Si monocrystal substrate reused to make another IC? asciilifeform what do you think?
jurov: *be
kakobrekla: well, given enough energy everything can be made into anything
thestringpuller: i shouldn't have said specifically Si, but more like the gold and silver also stored in the IC's
pete_dushenski: Kamuela: you also need to solve the problem of "what is Bitcoin useful for" << classic. like SDRs should buy tacos nao
thestringpuller: ;;ud SDR
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=SDR | An abbreviation meaning stop, drop and roll. Used to comment on pictures that are particularly hot. "Woah, sdr coz u look hot!" by deldo July 11, 2008. 5 4. Merch .
thestringpuller: not thinking that's the right one
thestringpuller: thinking*
TomServo: special drawing rights
pete_dushenski: Kamuela: why am i the one? because i'm committed to keeping it useful for people as far as it can be taken. i'm not looking to grow and sell out. my interests are aligned with keeping it one of the most decentralized ways to act in the BTC economy << "committed" is in no way a skill as it's here presented any more than a grade school student is committed to not getting an F.
pete_dushenski: Kamuela: not looking to sell out? 1) why not? 2) tough thing to prove
pete_dushenski: at least he came to the right place
kakobrekla: not too long ago someone pasted how its more about location than your cast.
pete_dushenski: kakobrekla: the selling out bit or the committed bit?
TomServo: !up Kamuela
kakobrekla: the right pace bit :D
Kamuela: thank you TomServo
kakobrekla: place*
Kamuela: pete_dushenski: who else is committed? have you heard of another project to do this? i'd be both willing to contribute and cease competitive efforts if you could point me in that direction
Kamuela: and a better question would be: why would I be crowdfunding if i didn't see marginal success somewhere else? it's usually cheaper to get funding within your own circle
Kamuela: far from being combative, i'm looking to understand where you're coming from
Kamuela: it must be that every member of ethereum has a long history of proven success right?
Kamuela: many less tangible projects have gotten ridiculous levels of funding, and i am DOING the legwork to make this happen. so when you ask what qualifies me, well, it's because i'm the guy DOING something
Kamuela: because i'm the guy here asking
kakobrekla: funny you mention ethereum.
Kamuela: yeah maybe it's a bad thing to mention, i don't want to be lumped into that "ether"
kakobrekla: !s chumpatron
BingoBoingo was kind of disappointed that the Feds addressed me by my slave name
TomServo: BingoBoingo: I would've been thrilled if they used Atruk instead of BingoBoingo. :P
assbot: Amazon to buy live-stream gaming site Twitch for $970M - CNET
TomServo: Wow. Bezos stole'd it.
assbot: A Guide To Buying 5000 Ether/Bitcoin, 2.5x More Than Ethereum's Genesis Sale Offers | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski
punkman: BingoBoingo: did they say "BingoBoingo" at any point?
ThickAsThieves: twitch accepts bitcoin, so now youll see "Amazon adding Bitcoin" on reddit for 2 days
ThickAsThieves: watch this fuck up my short...
pete_dushenski: Kamuela: it must be that every member of ethereum has a long history of proven success right? << it must be nothing of the sort and is in fact quite that
pete_dushenski: but read the ethereum piece
punkman: he was going for sarcasm ^
BingoBoingo: punkman: no
Kamuela: I was indeed being sarcastic
BingoBoingo: TomServo: They asked for my forum name and I gave it to them after some reluctance
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo was kind of disappointed that the Feds addressed me by my slave name << lmao
pete_dushenski: Kamuela: either way, there's really no rush to get your idea off the ground
pete_dushenski: to do it well, you'd be well served to get in the wot and spend the next 6-12 months reading every line of logs and getting to know the people around here
Kamuela: well, I'll ftfy: "either way, there's really no rush for I, pete_dushenski, to help get your idea off the ground"
punkman: Kamuela, having some experience in the matter, I'd recommend against copying the odesks and the elances
Kamuela: punkman: how so?
Kamuela: punkman: not necessarily your experience, but i mean what are you recommending against in particular
punkman: just take everythign they do, and do it the opposite way
punkman: that might work
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1640 @ 0.00068997 = 1.1316 BTC [-] {3}
Kamuela: punkman: lmao, i don't exactly follow
Kamuela: certainly as a competitor to existing odesk businesses, the project will shape itself around the interests of its customers. but what initially or conceptually is wrong with the odesk style?
punkman: everything
Kamuela: for example, it seems so far from my interviews that something people really like is the guaranteed payment... something that this project would NOT be offering for at least a while. it certainly would not be part of the MVP
Kamuela: of course that's a bit of laziness on the part of vetting your customer, but i understand that what i call laziness other people call serving needs, which I completely respect the need to do
ThickAsThieves: people always enjoy promises that cant be kept
TomServo: Pff. Schneier says "Matthew Green has a good post on what's wrong with PGP and what should be done about it." (with link of course)
TomServo: First comment: Did you have to fight the urge to call it a "pretty good post"?
punkman: ThickAsThieves: it'd be nice if there was someone playing matchmaker, vetting both sides, guaranteeing whatever he can afford to
punkman: don't even need a website
ThickAsThieves: well agents arent cheap
ThickAsThieves: nor sclable
punkman: odesk takes 10%
ThickAsThieves: scalable
Kamuela: and offers no escrow
punkman: don't need to scale
Kamuela: and addresses an $80 mil market
ThickAsThieves: surely bigger than $80m no?
Kamuela: with inferior financial technology
ThickAsThieves: "Cops found this wanted Nebraska man after he posted his Ice Bucket Challenge on Facebook."
Kamuela: the first couple thousand users on a Bitcoin-powered odesk are going to be BTC enthusiasts and folks looking to play around, meaning a release valve for pent-up demand for use of coins, and of course a dedicated following of people who want to try to make supplemental or full-time income doing btc freelance work
Kamuela: but after that there's a real competitive advantage to 10% and a couple days turn around time and <10% and 1 hour turnaround
Kamuela: especially when you factor in the fact that a bunch of the initial contractors are going to underprice in an attempt to gain customers, there's a real value proposition to a competing network
Kamuela: and odesk "just accepting Bitcoin" is a bigger deal with any real thought
Kamuela: meaning there's a whole lot of inertia to fight to make that happen
Kamuela: and how are they going to address a cheaper and lower-hassle competitor even with Bitcoin? will they openly say jobs paid in bitcoin are discounted? i don't think they could do that
Kamuela: ThickAsThieves: I don't know about the actual total market, but just odesk takes in $80mm
ThickAsThieves: isnt someone already working on this?
ThickAsThieves: Hearn, Popescu, etc
punkman: there's a few dozens of them
punkman: Kamuela, I think your plan is to make it prettier and with more javascripts?
Kamuela: there's a real potential to help me out in one way or another, but isn't it boring to make words and contribute nothing?
punkman: you can help yourself by reading teh logs
Kamuela: i don't mind the real questions, kakobrekla addressed a serious point of "who are you?" that's a real question that has to be answered
nubbins`: ;;view 21349
gribble: #21349 Mon Aug 25 13:40:55 2014 nubbins` SELL 1.0 'What is Bitcoin?' silkscreened art print @ 35 USD (18x24", limited edition of 45 available to public, 4-color silkscreen print on acid-free paper, pre-order price only. Shipping week of August 31.)
Duffer1: b-a are generally firm believers in the Eddy Murphie method of help
Kamuela: Eddy or charlie?
ThickAsThieves: Kamuela is asking for help?
Duffer1: er charlie right :P
Kamuela: Haha
ThickAsThieves: !up Kamuela
Kamuela: Meaning breaking my legs for learning
kakobrekla: Kamuela that linkedin isnt much to go by.
TomServo: nubbins`: Is there a photo or sample of the poster?
Kamuela: kakobrekla: totally agreed
Kamuela: perhaps i'll have to be my own silent partner
punkman: lol
nubbins`: TomServo: i'm printing them this week, i do have a digital proof but i'd rather show off pictures of the actual silkscreened version. pics to follow, but you're buying blind if you pre-order ;)
Kamuela: because my connections at differential and the team there represent about 50 years of combined success in MVP's
nubbins`: price will probably be 40-45 once they're all printed, signed, numbered, and pictures taken
Kamuela: so if i found a way to make them shine i'd probably get farther along
TomServo: nubbins`: Cool thanks. I'll wait to see it.
nubbins` tips hat
nubbins`: it's gonna be a beaut
TheNewDeal: nubbins` can you pm me a digital version/
nubbins`: no sneak peeks :)
TheNewDeal: I do like your work from what I've seen, but I haven't the slightest clue about this one
nubbins`: all i got is testimonials:
nubbins`: [00:13:41] <mircea_popescu> ok this rocks.
TheNewDeal: he got a sneak peak?
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal his latest work was quite lovely.
nubbins`: he bought 50, he gets a sneak peek ;)
mircea_popescu: X-Rob want the same address used each week ?
TheNewDeal: haha I guess that may be fair
TheNewDeal: if I give you a zip code can you figure out shipping costs?
X-Rob: mircea_popescu: yes, please, I was going to remind you about that. Need to figure out the discount though.
TomServo: TheNewDeal: Mind if I PM?
mircea_popescu: just keep em running.
X-Rob: 1xrobauEmhLwVnTmLbs6M92n1xGFAFbgq is the address
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: its an exercise to alert reader. << ahh
nubbins`: TheNewDeal: totally. probably somewhere in the $20-ish range as a guess
TheNewDeal: you can pm me all you want bb ;)
TheNewDeal: so 20+35 pre order price?
mircea_popescu: Kamuela: briefly, a bitcoin work market a la odesk. development team ready << well, the thing is this : we;ve been wanting something like this built for about a year. finding someone to do it is hard, however, and moreover i won't support a would be ceo on op's work. i'd rather deal with the coder guy directly.
nubbins`: TheNewDeal yeah. buy with a friend to save on shipping ;D
mircea_popescu: half the value of b-a is taking the entire layer of would-be ceos out of business completely, as there's nothing really they can usefully contribute.
TheNewDeal: nubbins what would it be for 2+shipping?
nubbins`: no extra cost, it's just paper, so 70+20
TheNewDeal: no frameage?
nubbins` shakes head
nubbins`: framing it locally would be the sensible option
nubbins`: otherwise you're paying to ship a piece of glass across the continent :D
TheNewDeal: gotcha
TheNewDeal: whens the downpayment due?
nubbins`: you can even get em plaque-mounted, i've seen people do that
nubbins`: this coming friday
TheNewDeal: i say i say
TheNewDeal: how long does that stuff take to ship ya think?
mircea_popescu: https://btc.waroflife.com/gow/27/ << interesting bet calculator thingee mike added
assbot: Game 27 - Death 3686 Life 6314 Year 824 - War of Life
TheNewDeal: I actually like that
TheNewDeal: did he do it because of my horrible betting in game 26?
Kamuela: mircea_popescu: you seriously just said that?
mircea_popescu: Kamuela yes.
Kamuela: if you're working with them directly, doesn't that make you CEO?
Kamuela: have you contributed nothing useful?
Kamuela: all you just said was "hey same concept, but let me start it"
mircea_popescu: only in a very distant sort of manner. not in the traditional sense the term is used.
TheNewDeal: I thought he was the funding
mircea_popescu: Kamuela no, it wasn't "let me start it". it was "let the coder start it, and run it"
Kamuela: mircea_popescu: the coder doesn't want to do that. the coder wants to run a development shop
mircea_popescu: if i wanted to "start it" i'd have started it in 2012. but i don't, because i can't nor should i do everything.
Kamuela: are you anti-capitalist? seems like you're running counter to specialization and trade
mircea_popescu: well then fuck him, he can go die in a fire.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.0006438 = 7.1462 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: need a better coder, which simply means ~actual~ one.
Kamuela: you're asking for a CEO
Kamuela: you just want it to be the build crew as well
mircea_popescu: im running counter to some very particular, bad implementations of capitalism.
mircea_popescu: this being a recurring discussion these days it seems.
Kamuela: are you the type who thinks that
Kamuela: Apple would have been a better company without steve jobs
Kamuela: that he contributed nothing
mircea_popescu: but anyway : specialisation is not a good thing just for the mere fact that it's specialisation.
mircea_popescu: jobs was not the ceo in the sense you use the term.
Kamuela: CEO's contribute vision, investor and customer relations, executive decisions, accountability, etc. could all of these things be "in-sourced," sure, and they are in a lot of cases
punkman: "Specialization is for insects"
Kamuela: punkman: Heinlein
mircea_popescu: Kamuela you know you're just calling it "vision" to avoid saying "ceo is the guy who wants money for nothing and thinks this wil wash"
mircea_popescu: there's no value in "ideas" and rebranding them as "vision" won't wash.
mircea_popescu: money comes through work.
Kamuela: who says i'm asking for money?
Kamuela: i'm asking for capital
mircea_popescu: asking is not the problem.
Kamuela: i don't make money on a crowdfund, this is completely development and marketing runway
mircea_popescu: what i'm trying to impart to you is that this "take capital from idiots of type A and labour from idiots of type B" that silicon valley was built upon is dead in the water.
TheNewDeal: but MP, don't you remember the cyperpunks thought up PGP before it was implemented?!?!
mircea_popescu: i'll support the idiots of type b directly tyvm
TheNewDeal: they had the power to think, and not do
mircea_popescu: and that means the only way you'll be able to give them a worse deal is for as long as this elephant in the room stays secret.
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal right right.
nubbins`: TheNewDeal: about a week-ish to ship
Kamuela: the thing is, if it were easy for builders and maintainers to be owners and operators, it'd be the rule instead of the exception
Kamuela: there isn't some mass scheme of exploitation going on
Kamuela: it's a rational choice between employment and entrepreneurship
mircea_popescu: it only isn't the rule because up until now there didn't exist this chan, and this ideology.
mircea_popescu: it will be the rule within your lifetime toh.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22500 @ 0.00064572 = 14.5287 BTC [+]
Kamuela: so what will happen in my lifetime, you're saying, is that the profit motive will go away, all marginal cost will go to marginal benefit, and unicorns will come back from extinction
mircea_popescu: Kamuela no. i say that within your lifetime, you'll starve with this model of trying to ceo that i perceive you're trying to impl;ement
Kamuela: even if we are all managed by artificial intelligence, that artificial intelligence is still the capitalist
mircea_popescu: much like you'd have starved cca 1920 trying to be a buggy manufacturer.
Kamuela: something for nothing is what drives the world. it's what causes both its prosperity and its problems
mircea_popescu: Kamuela approach it from another angle, perhaps it's more digestible that way. suppose the worker's work was no good. you know this because the code doesn't compile. suppose the capital's no good. you know this because the check bounces.
mircea_popescu: now suppose your "vision" is no good.
Kamuela: i understand trying to eliminate that, but i think that will be done through solving information asymmetry rather than through eliminating... ideas?
mircea_popescu: you can'rt ever know this, can you ? that means you're not part of the pie, not adding value.
mircea_popescu: not eliminating ideas, but the brand of "ideas", or whatever it reforms as. this concept that one's personally important for no reason whatsoever.
mircea_popescu: "i thought of it first!!11" or w/e.
Kamuela: so... because i want to organize a bunch of people who don't know each other, because i interview potential customers, because i will continue to direct operations of both the MVP and later pivots, I am contributing "nothing?"
mircea_popescu: none of this is to say you personally are a bad guy or anything.
Kamuela: You're getting arbitrary and it's almost disrespectful
Kamuela: you act like i'm just trying to take something to a patent office
mircea_popescu: !up Kamuela
Kamuela: i acknowledge i didn't think of it first
Kamuela: and i'm not trying to cash in on that
mircea_popescu: don't get all bristly lol. anyway : there's tools to organize all that, use 'em.
Kamuela: well let's put it this way
Kamuela: i'm a manager
mircea_popescu: irl you mean ?
jborkl: good afternoon
Kamuela: in this project, and that's not some kind of a euphemism
Kamuela: i have to manage the programming team every day
mircea_popescu: you ever been a manager irl ?
mircea_popescu: ello jborkl
Kamuela: for brief positions of over 1700 employees actually yes
mircea_popescu: okay. so you know what an office manger is. sorta like a glorified receptionist, hires the cleanning crew, takes a weekly salary.
Kamuela: you're looking at me and saying that my skill in knowing how to accomplish EVERYTHING involved but simply not DOING everything involved is meaningless
mircea_popescu: pretty much, yeah.
mircea_popescu: i also know how the plumber should fix the pipes.
Kamuela: so do it yourself
mircea_popescu: i guess i could be the plumber's manager for as long as i stfu and don't go much in the way.
Kamuela: or you live a meaningless life
Kamuela: according to your own logic
mircea_popescu: as far as plumbing is concerned, i'm a negligible entity.
jurov: Kamuela, 90% of freelancer is web scraping and php plodding stuff. You can't combine this model with bitcoin economy, it needs something fundamentally else at this stage.
Kamuela: so if a task requires more than yourself, are you actually saying that hiring someone is being some kind of lazy ass
jborkl: yeah, or you are just me
mircea_popescu: Kamuela no, but you're welcome to that strawman if you wish.
Kamuela: mircea_popescu: how is that a strawman?
Kamuela: i have preplanned the MVP
Kamuela: i have design work done
Kamuela: and yet having the build done by a team that's better and uses time more effectively than i can
mircea_popescu: you have design done pre-product ?
Kamuela: is suddenly wrong in one person's eyes
mircea_popescu: this is like having painted the wall of the unbuilt house innit ?
Kamuela: no, this is like ensuring a house doesn't fall down by having blueprints drawn up before you put the pieces together
Kamuela: sorry, a 0-value activity
Kamuela: lol
mircea_popescu: o you don't mean what is normally meant by design online, ie, drawing up mockups of webpages. do you ?
Kamuela: you're just a little bit of a marxist... that's cool... i mean, i don't prefer it, but you are welcome to your own opinion
mircea_popescu: you designed, as in, software architecture. db models and whatnot. tho you don't code ?
X-Rob: mircea_popescu: I think it's fair, looking at the outage, if you just make it 0.2 rather than 0.22 for this week.
Kamuela: who told you i didn't code?
mircea_popescu: X-Rob im not going to bother with a coupla cents, just make sure the thing stays online.
mircea_popescu: Kamuela im just sorta following along. do you ?
Kamuela: well another way I'm contributing, I suppose, is moving resources to their highest valued use
mircea_popescu: how would you know ?
Kamuela: and mine may not be foregoing seeking a project's funding by getting into a pseudo-intellectual marxist debate
mircea_popescu: myeah. point in case i guess.
mircea_popescu: Chief Executive Officer at Coin SEO
mircea_popescu: Chief Idealist at KamuelaFranco.com
mircea_popescu: Administrative Clerk at US Census Bureau
mircea_popescu: o you have GOT to be kidding me.
Kamuela: look, doing for the sake of doing. just expressing. building. being steve wozniak. it's beautiful and i completely agree with you
mircea_popescu: nah, this convo is over, srsly.
jurov: what's pseudointellectual in asking you to show the world the MVP before asking anyone anything?
Kamuela: you accuse me of strawman, and what did you just do?
Kamuela: bring up a character assessment based on your perception
Kamuela: at least hold yourself to the same standard
mircea_popescu: Past : simpleminded psychotic. Currently, cult leader.
Kamuela: i apologize for not knowing all the terms, but you are committing the fallacy known as "name-calling"
Kamuela: may be ad hominem, not sure
Kamuela: though i suppose no one agreed this was a debate. you're just talking
Kamuela: contributing, i suppose. although not by your own measure. but by mine for sure
jborkl: mircea- some interesting stats top 10 visits us,ca,hk,nl,au,by,gb,fr,de,ru,cn
Kamuela: you're making me realize, for example, that the road to finish this is an uphill one
BingoBoingo: <Kamuela> may be ad hominem, not sure << Every label sounds like an ad hominem unless you have read and digested the historical context.
jborkl: all the ones from france are probably pankaake
X-Rob: mircea_popescu: I do TRY to keep it online. I just feel bad for that outage. The good news is that in that outage I rebuilt both power distribution boards, so hopefully it shouldn't be needed again.
jborkl: Windows73.3 % Linux14.7 % Macintosh9.5 %
Kamuela: but it's fine because value is subjective and i know that whatever i accomplish or don't accomplish won't need to be arbitrarily defined by you, mircea_popescu
jborkl: Google Chrome53.7 % Firefox35.8 % MS Internet Explorer5.6 %
jborkl: no one uses the IE
jborkl: really, it is so great
jborkl: and I get more traffic from Yandex than Bing
jborkl: oh and the Orangecat post did very poor, so maybe I needed a picture of a funny cat
BingoBoingo: jborkl: Or a more unique cat
danielpbarron: ;;echo Kamuela, you need to be defined in the WoT in order to accomplish something [eregister]
gribble: Kamuela, you need to be defined in the WoT in order to accomplish something (eregister <nick> <keyid>) -- Register your GPG identity, associating GPG key <keyid> with <nick>. <keyid> is a 16 digit key id, with or without the '0x' prefix. We look on servers listed in 'plugins.GPG.keyservers' config. You will be given a link to a page which contains a one time password encrypted with (1 more message)
jborkl: yes, I got something wrong there
mircea_popescu: Kamuela wouldja simmer down.
pete_dushenski: "Korean bitcoin exchange Korbit has raised $3 million in Series A funding led by SoftBank Ventures Korea and Pantera Capital, with participation from BAM Ventures, and returning investors Bitcoin Opportunity Corp., Tim Draper, Pietro Dova, and Strong Ventures."
mircea_popescu: they're fucking quotes. the point here being that i comfortably define myself in the terms of the would-be insults various folk tried to tack on over the years. the years of me being and their coming and going. whereas you're stuck aspirationally trying to add labels to yourself. it's a fundamental difference at work.
mircea_popescu: jborkl i think everyone gets more traffic from yandex than bing.
Kamuela: well, I mean you attacked my philosophies, ideas, accomplishments, and character in about 20 nonstop minutes, man. i'm sorry i didn't pass another test of yours by remaining fully collected...
mircea_popescu: you're doing ok.
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mircea_popescu: !s hey guise
mircea_popescu: odd, not i nthe logs even ?!
assbot: Bitcoin User tells of Interview by FBI and Treasury Department - Slashdot
TheNewDeal: niiice
BingoBoingo: Well, it's submitted, have to hope it gets votes
assbot: Logged on 30-09-2013 19:34:06; zhenhua_wang: mircea_popescu: you are simple minded. sorry but your are a psychopathic
mircea_popescu: aha so it was labcoin
mircea_popescu: couldn't remember for the life of me wtf it was.
jborkl: dont worry Coindesk will puke up your post in about 5 minutes
mircea_popescu: jborkl no, that's someone else phishing as them.
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mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo was btcpak the guy what's his name shrem was helping circumvent his aml or different guy ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Totally different guy. As far as I can tell he only ever bought Bitcoins
mircea_popescu: oh, dbordello's thing ?
BingoBoingo: Yeah, that one
mircea_popescu: ;;seen dbordello
gribble: dbordello was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 41 weeks, 6 days, 19 hours, 47 minutes, and 58 seconds ago: <DBordello> I agree
TheNewDeal: btcpak guy only purchased bitcoins huh?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 89 @ 0.00916324 = 0.8155 BTC [-] {5}
jborkl: mircea_popescu> jborkl no, that's someone else phishing as them. ? who is that? I had someone email me from a service content runner, but I can write my own shitty stories full of typos
mircea_popescu: jborkl it's a joke.
jborkl: oh ok
mircea_popescu: earlier they sent an email spam blast which "wasn't them"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 95 @ 0.01063998 = 1.0108 BTC [+] {6}
BingoBoingo: I guess this is a good time to remind people Van ads is a thing http://van-ads.com/venues if anyone want to bet on the story getting traction
assbot: Vulpes Ad Network
mircea_popescu: o look at this, so there's apparently a tv miniseries called roots built around delivering hot black male nudes in bondage ot the average housewife.
jborkl: 31745226.73248134 <- big fee
TheNewDeal: hows van ads work?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo "That think I've avoided and wrote about on this blog before. " << you hate the gspot or something ?
mircea_popescu: !up deadweasel
mircea_popescu: abathingape: kekeke << lulz. well, at least fatso had vision neh
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal: is moiety ded? << i think irl ate her.
mircea_popescu: Kamuela if you care, this is intensely dissonant : "Who Is Kamuela Franco? Kamuela Franco is perhaps the most intensely freedom-loving individual you will ever meet. If you've found Steve's work helpful, please donate to show your support."
mircea_popescu: a no longer online is it. nm.
TheNewDeal: nubbins` put me down for two
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal is this how you buy assassinations with bitcoin now ?
TheNewDeal: no mp, that's always how I've purchased them
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: still ? << you don't know how this works i take it. they'll be pulling on that thread in 2030. why drop it ?
kakobrekla: clearly i dont.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Nice catch
kakobrekla: he is still online btw
kakobrekla: !up Kamuela
mircea_popescu: i just sent a ping and * dbordello :No such nick/channel
kakobrekla: i thought . nvm
mircea_popescu: which i a pity rly, guy was kinda smart/sane.
kakobrekla: obv not?
mircea_popescu: a distinction enjoyed by shockingly few of the early birds.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla i never got a druggie vibe off him. i mean who knows, but to me it seems a forced association.
kakobrekla: i wasnt implying druggie but using sr for whatever
mircea_popescu: then again, the sec to this day pretends it got a settlement for s.dice, so...
mircea_popescu: average streetwalker more respectable than any govt agent you pick.
Kamuela: mircea_popescu: ?
mircea_popescu: some words with that.
BingoBoingo: The agents got kind fo rude with their insisting I know something, but it wasn't quite Hannibal Lecter "free range rude" rude
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: Seriously the kept saying suggesting everything in the Bitcoin was shady Tor related stuff. << well what happens there is that they had a lot of early success just exploiting the geek idiocy. let the kids talk about how cool and anon and w/e it is.
Kamuela: mircea_popescu: you've only pinged me once in the last few moments of time, so i'm asking you both about what you meant by dissonant and what was wrong with that statement
mircea_popescu: sort-of like mentioning partying to a 15yo and letting them spill.
mircea_popescu: Kamuela a. well, who's steve.
Kamuela: mircea_popescu: also honestly i don't remember what that was in reference to, exactly lmao
Kamuela: oh, i know what you're talking about
mircea_popescu: Duffer1: i bought a handmade spalted mable/bubinga keepsake box for bitcoin on saturday << what the holy shit.
Kamuela: you're talking about my web site, and some copy
mircea_popescu: ;;ud bubinga
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Bubinga | 1. Bubinga. 1. A type of hard wood 2. A type of hard erection. "Man, I got the worst bubinga right now, you have no idea". by PenchantMarksman March 08, 2013.
mircea_popescu: Salted Marble Bubblegum should totally be a band.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: The seemed so fucking incredulous that I with my unkempt hair and beard, could have somehow not used the silk road << it's not racial profiling if you're white :D
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Amazing isn't it.
mircea_popescu: great log lol.
mircea_popescu: anyway, you
mircea_popescu: 're slowly but surely becoming a fucking liability for your neighbourhood. every other week a new black jeep over there.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: move more slowly << he's new.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo if it's any consolation : while you were out on the lawn in the sun, i was indoors taking refuge from the chilly winter wind here.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> 're slowly but surely becoming a fucking liability for your neighbourhood. every other week a new black jeep over there. << Reason to host conversation in the front yard, so the neighbors can gossip
mircea_popescu: went into one of the largest whorehouses. cordoba and 9 de julio. masquerades as a coffee place.
mircea_popescu: had a strawberry sundae.
TheNewDeal: did you know what it was, or were you just looking for ice cream?
BingoBoingo: !up ThickAsThieves
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal i knew what it was, been there before.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: Also Hollywood lied. The FBI agent was wearing a black business suit, but instead a white polo and khakis. << crisis, ya kno ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I guess
ThickAsThieves: IRS on the other hand is hiring some babes
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves you know the tax office workers here are fucking knockouts too ?
TheNewDeal: if the IRS sends a sexy woman to my door, I'm going to tell her I'm a part of the FBI - female body inspectors
mircea_popescu: what is it about hot women gravitating towards where people get assraped.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller: i shouldn't have said specifically Si, but more like the gold and silver also stored in the IC's << gold melting point isn't tinny either.
mircea_popescu: CHECK OUT MY PUN EVERYONE!
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves: watch this fuck up my short... << watch it making exactly no difference.
mircea_popescu: unless you're short on reddit words or something. and even then...
mircea_popescu: punkman: just take everythign they do, and do it the opposite way << word. shit's been run by george, of "every call i ever made was wrong" fame.
TheNewDeal: hears, "Tinny!" , *shrieks* and runs away
mircea_popescu: TomServo: Pff. Schneier says "Matthew Green << are you surprised ? if not, why not :D
mircea_popescu: it must suck to be one of these scum. if being one of the soviet scum is anything to go by... it must suck quite a lot.
assbot: San Francisco Open Exchange Aims To Be The E-Trade Of Bitcoin | TechCrunch
assbot: NY Bankruptcy Court Uses The Eddie Murphy Method Of Allocating Tax Returns
mircea_popescu: Duffer_ it's eddie murphy not eddy murphie :D
mircea_popescu: Kamuela: because my connections at differential and the team there represent about 50 years of combined success in MVP's << in this vein, the whores i sat down with for my sundae represent about fifty eight miles of combined cock.
mircea_popescu: and that's not counting the back and forth, nor the oral.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4800 @ 0.00064379 = 3.0902 BTC [-]
TheNewDeal: !up RagnarsBitch
ThickAsThieves: <+mircea_popescu> watch it making exactly no difference. /// indeed!
ben_vulpes: <TheNewDeal> hows van ads work? << you sign up and pay bitcoin to run ads on a select group of venues.
mircea_popescu: factoid of the day : Singer Mel Tormé began his professional career singing with the Chico Marx Orchestra.
artifexd: !s X-Rob
ben_vulpes: TheNewDeal: are you looking to buy some exposure to a thing?
X-Rob looks worried
ben_vulpes: for* a thing?
TheNewDeal: no I'm selling
TheNewDeal: unless of course you have a good deal
ben_vulpes: what are you selling now?
TheNewDeal: i'm not selling anything atm :D
TheNewDeal: might do it in 30 days or so
TheNewDeal: !up ThickAsThieves
TheNewDeal: ;;ident thinkasthieves
gribble: Error: I am not seeing this user on IRC. If you want information about a registered gpg user, try the 'gpg info' command instead.
TheNewDeal: ;;ident thickasthieves
gribble: Nick 'thickasthieves', with hostmask 'ThickAsThieves!~ThickAsTh@unaffiliated/thickasthieves', is not identified.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5650 @ 0.00064379 = 3.6374 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal i'd be much surprised if you manage to get something less than a month old approved for van.
ThickAsThieves: just being lazy...
ThickAsThieves: distracted
mircea_popescu: And then there's the story that's fraught with disaster -- of balls that got caught, when a chap took a crap, in the woods. And that trap underneath... Oh, I can't bear the thought!
TheNewDeal: are you talking about vanity ads? I was just wondering what it was
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal it's van ads.
TheNewDeal: ;;trust nubbins`
gribble: Error: "trust" is not a valid command.
TheNewDeal: ;;gettrust nubbins`
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask nubbins`!~leel@stjhnf0157w-142163082159.dhcp-dynamic.FibreOP.nl.bellaliant.net. Trust relationship from user TheNewDeal to user nubbins`: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 4 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=TheNewDeal&dest=nubbins%60 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=nubbins%60 | Rated since: Wed Oct 16 19:58:53 2013
nubbins`: ;;ident
gribble: Nick 'nubbins`', with hostmask 'nubbins`!~leel@stjhnf0157w-142163082159.dhcp-dynamic.FibreOP.nl.bellaliant.net', is identified as user 'nubbins`', with GPG key id CF2950F23C844002, key fingerprint 5015BD3D0AE659C8B8632F31CF2950F23C844002, and bitcoin address None
TheNewDeal: ;;calc 90/[ticker --last]
gribble: 0.179594117295
TheNewDeal: what's the point?
ben_vulpes: ;;gettrust jborkl
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user ben_vulpes to user jborkl: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=ben_vulpes&dest=jborkl | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=jborkl | Rated since: never
ben_vulpes: ;;ident jborkl
gribble: Error: I am not seeing this user on IRC. If you want information about a registered gpg user, try the 'gpg info' command instead.
ben_vulpes: not in wot?!!?
BingoBoingo: ;;gettrust hollywood
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user BingoBoingo to user hollywood: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=BingoBoingo&dest=hollywood | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=hollywood | Rated since: never
ben_vulpes: i don't even wot
BingoBoingo: You, know the nice thing about Today's adventure is that at least now I can know that the FBI has a file on me somewhere. just as it has one on Martin Luther King Jr.
TheNewDeal: and you have some good internet exposure before you're body is found floating in the river
TheNewDeal: jp, i dont think the fbi is gonna ax ya
BingoBoingo: Nah, that's what.. What's that Will Smith agency called again...
BingoBoingo wonders if alf has similar close enounters of the gasenwagen kind?
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: MIB
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: No, the one from Wild Wild West
BingoBoingo: Or was it Soul Plane?
BingoBoingo: It's been a while does it look like this submit to /. thing is working well? http://slashdot.org/recent
assbot: Slashdot: News for nerds, stuff that matters
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10689 @ 0.00064672 = 6.9128 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: City bus, in Wash. D.C. area. - Imgur
asciilifeform: ^ seen around half an hour ago.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12500 @ 0.00064978 = 8.1223 BTC [+]
ben_vulpes: loooovely!
ben_vulpes: "inform on your fellow subjects! it's good for you, and might be for them!"
asciilifeform: ads recruiting stoolies aren't new here. they have then regularly for, e.g. insurance fraud
asciilifeform: but the small arms theme is new.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1000 @ 0.00063368 = 0.6337 BTC [-] {10}
ben_vulpes: looks like moiety's alive after all...
mircea_popescu: !up Kamuela
asciilifeform: i did somehow think that she starved...
TheNewDeal: ;;ident moriarty
gribble: Nick 'moriarty', with hostmask 'moriarty!~test@unaffiliated/moriarty', is not identified.
asciilifeform catches up on logs
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo visited by the wagen ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ROCK] 5000 @ 0.00056046 = 2.8023 BTC [-] {7}
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform seems a reasonable approach, all would be gangstas gotta have the gunz.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Indeed, multi agency wagen
mircea_popescu: definitely more likely to succeed than "have you seen this 6yo ? $1k reward"
TheNewDeal: ;;rate nubbins` invested in some bitcoin art, waiting for roi :)
gribble: Error: 'invested' is not a valid integer.
TheNewDeal: ;;rate nubbins` 1 invested in some bitcoin art, waiting for roi :)
asciilifeform saw, on at least one occasion, stereotypically shifty fellow on a train with stereotypical bulge in his pocket - standing right next to polizei, who was entirely disinterested...
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user nubbins` has been recorded.
BingoBoingo: ;;tslb
gribble: Time since last block: 21 minutes and 3 seconds
TheNewDeal: definitely had a boner ascii
asciilifeform: big fat 'colt 1911' shaped boner.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not much polizei could have done.
nubbins`: ;;view 21351
gribble: #21351 Mon Aug 25 19:39:07 2014 nubbins` SELL 1.0 'What is Bitcoin?' silkscreened art print @ 35 USD (18x24", 5-color silkscreen on white Cougar acid-free paper, limited edition of 50, pre-order price only, shipping week of August 31, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=756955.0)
nubbins`: ^ only 43 remain!
asciilifeform: Cougar acid-free paper << what other rare animals can be turned into paper ?
mircea_popescu: Alien Paper.
nubbins`: asciilifeform woodchucks ;D
nubbins`: woodpeckers
nubbins`: paper cranes? ;/
asciilifeform: those are everywhere.
mircea_popescu: The Peckish Woodpecker. Salon & Pimparium.
assbot: Vulpes Ad Network
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: why'd they let you loose? or should we assume that you're posting from a stake ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Seems visit was of an inquisitory nature.
BingoBoingo: Maybe they wanted to see how I'd react if still "wild"
BingoBoingo: Also there's that pending county misdemeanor court date later this week
Kamuela: brb
BingoBoingo: Maybe next time I go to stake?
mircea_popescu: why are you still in the us anyway ? not like you got a job or anything ?
mircea_popescu: !up tylander
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if i recall, they took his passport last year
mircea_popescu: o, actually ?
TheNewDeal: for what?
BingoBoingo: No, I've never had one
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i wasn't aware they actually do the whole nkvd thing. afaik it was just personal cognizance stuff.
asciilifeform scratched head, definitely remembers somethign like this
BingoBoingo isn't quite ready for long walk to Mexico, but now see reasons to... get ready
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It is jsut dificult to get one
BingoBoingo: As am still on bond
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo well soon enough it'll be impossible, and nothing to do with bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: just the way dead cow cults work.
asciilifeform: not that, come that hour, the folks with passports will fare any better
asciilifeform discovered, after some digging, that he could get russian passport - but would have to spend 1+ year there
TheNewDeal: does evorhees ever come online? was wondering how panama worked out for him
asciilifeform is greatly puzzled re: how anyone might imagine BingoBoingo had anything to do with SR
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Maybe they hadn't connect my slave name to my real name yet and read the blog where such connections would not make sense.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: wasn't aware they actually do the whole nkvd thing << now that i think about it, they do one better. you can keep your passport - but when they scan it at the airport, if the bell rings you get a special treat.
nubbins`: ah, airports
nubbins`: one of the few places in the world where i feel incredibly uneasy, no matter what
artifexd: nubbins`: Do you still have my mailing address?
nubbins`: artifexd i don't believe so
nubbins`: all i remember is that i addressed your package to Mr. Art I. Fexd ;D
artifexd: Give me a btc amount for the poster good for the next hour or so
BingoBoingo: I don't think I'll escape by air, I dun want to get MH-17'd like all of those doctors fighting CIA-AIDs did
nubbins`: artifexd: ,,(calc 55/[ticker --last])
nubbins`: ah fuck, what?
nubbins`: ;;calc 55/[ticker --last]
gribble: 0.109155139222
artifexd: $55? What happened to $35?
TheNewDeal: nubbins` are these going to be limited edition?
TheNewDeal: shipping
nubbins`: shipping :)
nubbins`: i flat-pack them, rolling destroys prints
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal not lately
mircea_popescu: ;;seen evoorhees
gribble: evoorhees was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 year, 5 weeks, 4 days, 0 hours, and 32 seconds ago: <evoorhees> I need to go for now, on later
nubbins`: TheNewDeal only 50 are being sold to the general public
TheNewDeal: beautiful
nubbins`: depending on sales we may do a second run, but they'll be visibly different (new color scheme) so there's no confusion
TheNewDeal: love it
artifexd: Lemme know when you are ready for the physical address
nubbins`: yeah, pm me when you're ready
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 67 @ 0.00910189 = 0.6098 BTC [-] {4}
thestringpuller: nubbins`: did you get the mail?
nubbins`: yep!
nubbins`: everything looks to be in order
thestringpuller: he forgot to mention to put a payment address in the signed invoice
thestringpuller: but I guess he felt that was assumed
thestringpuller: I will go ahead and pay the full thing up front (instead of half up front and half on completion)
nubbins`: sure
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: electronic recycling is indeed inefficient but it's coming such a long way...http://www.forbes.com/sites/susanmcpherson/2013/09/16/an-innovative-way-to-recycle-electronics/
nubbins`: i should be able to get that sent off tonight
thestringpuller: I just find it sad to throw away good electronics to a landfill.......
nubbins`: man.
nubbins`: 9 posters sold already, 41 remain :0
thestringpuller: posters?
thestringpuller: i didn't get the memo
thestringpuller: window 21
nubbins`: ;;view 21351
gribble: #21351 Mon Aug 25 19:39:07 2014 nubbins` SELL 1.0 'What is Bitcoin?' silkscreened art print @ 35 USD (18x24", 5-color silkscreen on white Cougar acid-free paper, limited edition of 50, pre-order price only, shipping week of August 31, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=756955.0)
thestringpuller: do you have a mockup?
mircea_popescu: nubbins` you're like an artist practically speaking.
nubbins`: thestringpuller: yes, but pre-orders are buying sight-unseen. you want pics first, you gotta wait for general release and pay an extra $5-10
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: artistoid
nubbins`: i'm more a technician than anything :D
mircea_popescu: technical name for it being artistoid
mircea_popescu: i live in wait of the day a doctor says to some poor woman somewhere
mircea_popescu: "miss, you had an impacted fuckoid in there we had to take out"
nubbins`: "you've got a bunch of fuckin tumors in your head"
nubbins`: casual doctor, where are you?
mircea_popescu: "you know i spilled my coffee earlier while spazzing @ facebook, which sucked
mircea_popescu: but it doesn't suck nearly as much as this phase 2 lymphomyeloma you've got"
thestringpuller: whatever happened to guy who wanted to make odesk
assbot: Ceibax - decentralized finance
ben_vulpes: nubbins`: no pics?
thestringpuller: i need to read that
thestringpuller: !s odesk bitcoin
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla he had me at "merkle tree financial group"
kakobrekla: this shit is gold
kakobrekla: they were busted for using stock photos with made up names
mircea_popescu: i kinda picture this overweight, sad guy in overalls sitting in an empty food court under a handwritten "TopModel Buttsex Initiation Group", looking all dejected
kakobrekla: and then
thestringpuller: Wu Tang should take Dave Chappelle's Wu Tang financial idea and make a bitcoin hedge fund.
mircea_popescu: then suddenly one day he perks up, changes sign
kakobrekla: >So our host confirmed, we indeed had a security breach. It seems a malicious entity swapped our image files - hopefully not more, I am not accusing you dogetime. I am not yet sure what exactly happened, but we will find out.
mircea_popescu: "Merkle Tree Financial Group"
mircea_popescu: sits there all proud now
nubbins`: ben_vulpes: no pics until the pre-order is finished :)
nubbins`: take a gamble and save $10, or play it safe :D
mircea_popescu: nubbins` you know you sound just like a simple mind psychopath by now.
nubbins`: hahah.
nubbins`: no kidding
mircea_popescu: wtf customer service is this dilemma bullshit.
nubbins`: !s simple minded psychopath
assbot: 6 results for 'simple minded psychopath' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=simple+minded+psychopath
thestringpuller: nubbins`: I should take orders on the t-shirts in btc :P
nubbins`: thestringpuller: it's the only sensible way to obtain btc, selling goods for btc.
kakobrekla: i guess nubbins` will send out blank sheets of paper and call it a day.
mircea_popescu: with a happy face drawn in a corner
kakobrekla: "white on white, very modern"
nubbins`: kakobrekla, i promised they'd love it, can't send blank ;(
kakobrekla: "has rounded corners too."
nubbins`: only some would love it
nubbins`: ;;ud white on white
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=White%20On%20White | White on white describes the interior as well as the exterior of a car, an airpalne or any other vehichle for that matter. The paint job being whit...
nubbins`: oh, what? no.
nubbins`: ;;google white on white lsd
gribble: Erowid LSD (Acid) Vault: "LSD Purity", by Bruce Eisner (1977): <https://www.erowid.org/chemicals/lsd/lsd_writings1.shtml>; The LSD "Family" [Archive] - Opiophile.org: <http://forum.opiophile.org/archive/index.php/t-26140.html>; HowStuffWorks "CIA LSD Experiments": <http://history.howstuffworks.com/history-vs-myth/cia-lsd2.htm>
nubbins`: shrug, n/m
mircea_popescu: "hello is this xerox support center ? yes how do i set my printer so it prints the image of the onlooker's girlfriend ? what do you mean i have to take her picture first bullshit. what if it changes ??? i can't be running after all these people taking their picture incessantly. hello ? HELLO ??? "
mircea_popescu: nubbins from hell ^
mircea_popescu: I PROMISED THEY WILL LOVE IT!
kakobrekla: its either love or negrate
mircea_popescu: btw, here's a free idea for our entrepreneurial friends :
nubbins`: IF THEY DON'T, WHAT WILL I HAVE BECOME?
nubbins`: kakobrekla +1, i'm really going out on a limb huh ;(
mircea_popescu: everyone's making cryptocurrencies, nobody's making decryptocurrencies
mircea_popescu: why the fuck not ? you can't have crypt w/o decrypt...
kakobrekla: and im not even thinking of -1. more like -8.
nubbins`: ;:rate nubbins` -8 did not love a thing he promised i would
mircea_popescu: ::rate nubbins -48 delivered some paper which looked kinda ok but i didn't love it as promised, i loved amy instead.
ben_vulpes: ;;gettrust nubbins` nubbins`
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask nubbins`!~leel@stjhnf0157w-142163082159.dhcp-dynamic.FibreOP.nl.bellaliant.net. Trust relationship from user nubbins` to user nubbins`: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 18 via 12 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=nubbins%60&dest=nubbins%60 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=nubbins%60 | Rated since: Wed Oct 16 19:58:53 2013
mircea_popescu: o wow what a concept!
ben_vulpes: haha i love the text at the bottom there
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust mircea_popescu mircea_popescu
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user mircea_popescu: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 157 via 92 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=mircea_popescu | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mircea_popescu | Rated since: Fri Jul 22 11:04:26 2011
nubbins`: ;:rate nubbins -maxint i did not love but lust
mircea_popescu: ;;rate mircea_popescu 1 He introduced me to some hot chicks over the years.
gribble: Error: You cannot rate yourself.
punkman: kakobrekla: can haz reshipped poster?
BingoBoingo: !up mpmcsweeney
BingoBoingo: !up Blazedout419
kakobrekla: yeah, and make it all rainbowy.
kakobrekla: double rainbowy.
nubbins`: ok, this is getting a bit much
nubbins`: 10 sold now, that's 20% of the for-sale run
assbot: MS-Word is {Not} a document exchange format
mircea_popescu: s/ms-word/pdf/
kakobrekla: yeah its better when we dont know what we are buying into.
Blazedout419 puts blind faith in nubbins`
nubbins`: kakobrekla better for me, at least :o
assbot: TheCynicalPharmacist: Tramadol Supply
BingoBoingo wonders where pankkake is for today's eventful day
mircea_popescu: don't tell me there's going to be a peak tramadol event
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: You see after it became a controlled substance, all of it was held up in shipping, for stickers...
mircea_popescu: shitty cocktail anyway, no idea why anyone';d be using it.
BingoBoingo: Eh, before doctors prescribed it because it was an opiate that wasn't a controlled substance
mircea_popescu: a sucky one.
BingoBoingo: Well, placebo effect and all
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Nice angle
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo is metamizole controled yet ?
mircea_popescu: more effectual than tramdol anyway.
mircea_popescu: o, that;'s banned. heh.
mircea_popescu: dude that shithole seriously...
BingoBoingo: Eh, happens here
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 118 @ 0.01169411 = 1.3799 BTC [+]
assbot: My thoughts on the ALS challenge
mircea_popescu: delegated.
BingoBoingo: Oh nice write up.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo - theories re: wagen. a) they wanted to see if you'll pull the pin on the thermite. b) they thought you might have coin.
BingoBoingo: Oh, but I wear a hair shirt.
BingoBoingo: I am but a pauper kept here for the funnies.
asciilifeform would challenge BingoBoingo to pauper contest, if he knew what one would be
asciilifeform owns the shirt on his back and a large heap of various rusting scrap metal
BingoBoingo: My first impression seriously though that this might be the day the student loan holders tried to collect the balance on my kidneys.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It's the reason why I greeted the fellows at the door in the peculiar way I did.
BingoBoingo: "The reason for this is in my jurisdiction failure to identify yourself in a law enforcement encounter is a crime of questionable constitutional provenance, while having a conversation with a debt collector or process server that consists of nothing on your part other than intoning "Fuck You" a myriad of different was is great justice for all and legally sound."
asciilifeform: i imagine there will be a trend, with folks suspected of having coin somewhere - having problems
asciilifeform: jurov: can't the purified Si monocrystal substrate reused to make another IC << once Si is 'doped' (actual term of art) it isn't pure.
nubbins`: i give it a couple years before simply being a regular in -assets makes air travel difficult
BingoBoingo: All the more reason to drink and gamble. Bitbet is a godsend.
asciilifeform: (pure Si is an excellent insulator. to get a semiconductor, you add, e.g., boron. this is called 'doping.')
nubbins`: !up mpmcsweeney
nubbins`: !up Blazedout419
nubbins`: ;;gettrust assbot Blazedout419
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask Blazedout419!~Rogue@76-243-42-91.lightspeed.cntmoh.sbcglobal.net. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Blazedout419: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 4 via 6 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=Blazedout419 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Blazedout419 | Rated since: Sat May 18 17:05:13 2013
nubbins`: !down Blazedout419
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo - theories re: wagen. a) they wanted to see if you'll pull the pin on the thermite. b) they thought you might have coin. << c. random derps wandered into with random derpage.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 700 @ 0.00081884 = 0.5732 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if usg is walking 'the drunkard's walk', BingoBoingo is in some extraordinarily luck.
nubbins`: !s some cats dig my music
assbot: 2 results for 'some cats dig my music' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=some+cats+dig+my+music
asciilifeform: !s socrates is mortal
mircea_popescu: not so. sometimes i think you fail to appreciate what drudgery govt work is.
nubbins`: gross, recycling stories
mircea_popescu: after the silk road thing, govt clerks everywhere are stuck following up. everything.
BingoBoingo: Well this conversation and the blog are in plaintext. If they want to go deeper down the rabbit hole, well next year's a time.
mircea_popescu: it's the fbi equivalent of being sent to direct traffic.,
BingoBoingo: Seriously though these guys made a nearly 5 hour round trip drive when... St Louis is 30 minutes away
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo nobody needed punishment in the st louis bureau.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Or Peoria, Illinois is as boring as I suspect.
mircea_popescu: yeah, adult males often go for 5 hour car rides in the sun for fun.
mircea_popescu: it's a pairs sport.
nubbins`: well heat exhaustion is no fun alone
mircea_popescu: this is why the average redditard is sadder than the average inmate.
BingoBoingo: I mean I'll spend 5 hours driving in a car on a hot day and enjoy it solo, but to each their own
mircea_popescu: humans take great comfort in the sufferances of the fellow man.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: drunkard's walk?
BingoBoingo: Well, if this blog post ends up linked on CoinDesk, I'm sure the FBI agent will read about it.
asciilifeform: ;;google drunkard's walk
gribble: The Drunkard's Walk: How Randomness Rules Our Lives: Leonard ...: <http://www.amazon.com/The-Drunkards-Walk-Randomness-Rules/dp/0307275175>; Drunkard's Walk - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drunkard's_Walk>; Leonard Mlodinow - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonard_Mlodinow>
ben_vulpes: and what's the relationship to the usg at BingoBoingo's door?
asciilifeform: see also feynman's 'lectures on physics' vol. 1, sect. 6-3.
asciilifeform: (unrelated) gold and silver also stored in the IC << they get the Au out - chemically. in just the same way miners do. melting point of Si never plays into it.
mircea_popescu: "He was so sad. You know what Winchell was doing at the end? Typing out mimeographed sheets with his column, handing them out on the corner. That's how sad he got. When he died, only one person came to his funeral: his daughter."
mircea_popescu: ahahah pretty good.
mircea_popescu: hey all ye michael moore wannabes out there ? see winchell. he was the original libtard.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i thought sinclair lewis was the original
mircea_popescu: hard to beat a dude pushing a telex key randomly to "impart a sense of urgency"
asciilifeform: telegraph
asciilifeform: pressing randomly on a telex just gets you - reddit.
mircea_popescu: righy ou are.
asciilifeform: anyone here -not- build a telegraph as a boy ?
asciilifeform: and get a friend on other end, and key random garbage ?
mircea_popescu: i was being a doctor at that age.
ben_vulpes: i was hustling my classmates
ben_vulpes: and siblings
ben_vulpes: and parents for that matter
ben_vulpes: teachers too!
ben_vulpes: but i did build a crystal radio. out of which poured...random garbage.
asciilifeform: lol rng
ben_vulpes: trng!
ben_vulpes: "talk radio number generator"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform fun factoid : one of s. lewis' stories (bongo) was stolen & rewritten by a romanian author a decade later
mircea_popescu: you should see this thing. i mean, there's this vast tradition in romanian of making incredibly sad and outrageously depressing stories the only fare kids are allowed up until about puberty
mircea_popescu: but this probably takes the cake.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: (you probably knew) soviet 'fanfic' of devil knows how many famous works - e.g., 'wizard of oz', 'pinnockio', - was hyper-bestselling
asciilifeform: to the point that virtually no russian-speaking folks ever read the originals
asciilifeform: or even know they existed
mircea_popescu: yeah. well romanians never went that far.
assbot: The Russian Wizard of Oz
asciilifeform: first work of fiction read by /me as a larva
asciilifeform: the brits, if i recall, actually did a translation to inglisch
assbot: Literature/Tales of the Magic Land - Television Tropes & Idioms
asciilifeform when read the original finally, and saw the famous film, thought it was a cruel mockery of the Real Thing
mircea_popescu: "it's not stealing if you make it better"
asciilifeform: vol. 1 was mostly a barbaric rip
mircea_popescu: oldest defense to copyright infringement, seems to me perfectly valid.
asciilifeform: but from that point, it's almost a 'real' sf trilogy
asciilifeform: complete with aliens, death rays.
asciilifeform: the russian 'pinnockio' - 'буратино' - is an almost totally different thing. a kind of parable about chumpatronics (esp. in the animated musical rendition)
asciilifeform: http://www.stihi.ru/2011/03/01/1973 << one rhyme featured therein, with decent inglisch translation
assbot: , Engl ( ) / . -
asciilifeform: 'To get a braggart use no knife: But give his bragging a high-five – And you possess his life.' (most 'winged' snipped therein.)
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 503.89, Best ask: 504.78, Bid-ask spread: 0.89000, Last trade: 504.82, 24 hour volume: 5394.69116707, 24 hour low: 496.79, 24 hour high: 506.98, 24 hour vwap: 502.765156743
assbot: Literature/Tale of the Troika - Television Tropes & Idioms
assbot: Animation/Suur Toll - Television Tropes & Idioms
mircea_popescu: they're that good.
assbot: Nobody thinks about the robot apocalypse when spec'ing out a sex android. They should. When the time comes, are you going to be the sub?
assbot: Suur Toll - part 1 - YouTube
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo what's time to do with it lol.
mircea_popescu: this time delusion is like the geek's favourite trope already. wtf, "when the time comes". the time came.
mircea_popescu: and went.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I dunno yet. Maybe it's an abuse of Kant taking the imposition of time upon the manifold by intuiting and assuming that gives them... power?
mircea_popescu: either that or a wishful extension of the school environment. you know, "when the time for the exam comes". by definition that will be later.
mircea_popescu: little does school sally know or wish to notice that in fact her cunt;'s been bleeding for a while, and wanda the preteen whore's time is apparently long gone.
mircea_popescu: lol. quite.
assbot: Series/Roots - Television Tropes & Idioms
BingoBoingo: !up tjader
BingoBoingo: !up Flerb
Flerb: Thanks
BingoBoingo: Flerb: You're welcome?
Flerb: Why was that a question?
BingoBoingo: Flerb: Why shouldn't it be a question?
Flerb: BingoBoingo: I was just thanking you for doing the !up
BingoBoingo: Flerb: But isn't it fun turning minor typing errors into games?
BingoBoingo: Fuck, the jig's up
Flerb: BingoBoingo: oh right
BingoBoingo: I gave away the seekrit fingerslip.
Flerb foolishly bought 0.05 btc worth of btm without understanding it
Flerb: Is there a relatively good place to start with assets?
mircea_popescu: the log.
Flerb: I've been doing BTCjam loans and getting quite good returns
asciilifeform: Flerb: also actually having assets is optional.
Flerb: asciilifeform: mhm
mircea_popescu: i've been crossing red lights and not wearing a seat belt.
Flerb: mircea_popescu: isn't that, maybe slightly illegal?
mircea_popescu: dealing with some thinly veiled online scam ? not really, no.
mircea_popescu: running it may be, maybe, sometime after the usg gets bored of taking half day rides to nowhere.
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell mike_c van iframe css fixt
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell pete_dushenski van iframe css fixt
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell BingoBoingo van iframe css fixt
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: and yet... cameltoe is older than they think.
ben_vulpes: ^^ all praise kakobrekla
Flerb: mircea_popescu: I think it would be
Flerb: Is crossing red lights without seatbelts an online scam?
mircea_popescu: Flerb we were discussing btcjam,
mircea_popescu: i thought.
Flerb: Oh
Flerb: Are you implying that the people who own it are scammers?
Flerb: Or people who borrow on it!
Flerb: *?
Flerb: Because some of them are scammers
mircea_popescu: no, i'm saying it. this is by no means news, either.
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: What kind of fix?
kakobrekla: so van ads in rolling now on bitbet - feel free to buy the shit.
Flerb: mircea_popescu: so it's an online scam?
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: explicitly overriding the user-browser css body margin
Flerb: That's news to me
mircea_popescu: ;;google mpoe-pr list knew scams affraid ask
gribble: Meni Rosenfeld's vanity thread - Bitcoin Forum: <https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=121314.0>; TheLadders: How the scam works - Corcodilos: <http://corcodilos.com/blog/3219/theladders-how-the-scam-works-2>; Loper OS » A Review of MPEx, the Bitcoin Stock Exchange.: <http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1108>
assbot: Vulpes Ad Network
ben_vulpes: nobody's bought anything to run there yet.
assbot: MPOE-PR's list of things you always suspected were scams but never dared say so.
Flerb: OK
gribble: Nick 'mircea_popescu', with hostmask 'mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu', is identified as user 'mircea_popescu', with GPG key id 8A736F0E2FB7B452, key fingerprint 6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452, and bitcoin address None
BingoBoingo: Bought a BitBet Ad
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes VAN doesn't recognize that keyid. Please try again with the shortform of your GPG/PGP keyid. << now wouldn't it be saner if you just took the last 8 ?
Flerb: mircea_popescu: says it isn't a scam per se
mircea_popescu: Flerb driving without insurance isn't a crime per se either.
mircea_popescu: just a very shitty thing to do.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i've heard "last 8" i've heard "long keyids"
Duffer1: in the states it's a crime
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes http://www.van-ads.com/login/2FB7B452 << this needs a "here's a raw text link for if you programatically interract with this thing"
assbot: Vulpes Ad Network
Flerb: mircea_popescu: it is in the UK
mircea_popescu: Flerb Duffer1 fine, misdemeanor/felony if oyu must.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: noted
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: in the meantime, try http://www.van-ads.com/login/2FB7B452/raw
Flerb: mircea_popescu: walking on streets isn't a scam per se
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i click on but it logs me out ?
ben_vulpes: uh not parsing sorry?
Flerb: Should probably get my gribble thing sorted
Flerb: ;;help
gribble: The bot responds when you start a line with the ! character. A good starting point for exploring the bot is the !facts command. You can also visit the bot's website for a list of help topics and documentation: http://gribble.sourceforge.net/
ben_vulpes: question for everyone using gpg: when you want to look up your keyid, what do you do?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i logged in. i clicked to buy, it logged me out, had to log back in
ben_vulpes: noted.
ben_vulpes: thanks mi
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu:
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12601 @ 0.00069266 = 8.7282 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes so how do i say "put the same ad i have running atm on this new site too" ?
mircea_popescu: or for that matter how do i say "what ads do i have running again ?"
ben_vulpes: these are all great questions
mircea_popescu: hehe aite.
assbot: GPG authentication - bitcoin-otc wiki
mircea_popescu: java.lang.IllegalArgumentException
mircea_popescu: Invalid format: ""
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes form totally has to prepopulate start date with today's date and end date with end of month date.
mircea_popescu: but i gotta say the on the fly part works fine.
ben_vulpes: ugh non determinisitic logout bug
ben_vulpes: what have i donnnnne
mircea_popescu: you probably are fucking up the cookie read or write somewhere.
ben_vulpes: no doubt
ben_vulpes: paha s//www
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7850 @ 0.00068769 = 5.3984 BTC [-]
TheNewDeal: if I buy a vanad for say bitbet
TheNewDeal: can I choose a specific bet page
mircea_popescu: nah, run of the site.
assbot: Game 27 - Death 3686 Life 6314 Year 824 - War of Life
TheNewDeal: blockchaininfo says we are at 317499
assbot: Logged on 26-08-2014 03:11:40; TheNewDeal: is this site updating ? https://btc.waroflife.com/gow/27/
gribble: The operation succeeded.
TheNewDeal: but I wanna bet right now :(
TheNewDeal: bettin blind
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 31 @ 0.0217227 = 0.6734 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: how is the 'impressions' figure generated ?
assbot: On interpreting access statistics
asciilifeform: link dead?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: naively. whenever a browser requests the iframe, that's logged.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: one of the goals was to do away with the numerology of web stats.
asciilifeform curious if anyone aside from mircea_popescu is bidding
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo, a bit.
assbot: paleh0rse comments on A Law Enforcement Encounter: If you ran a Bitcoin related service before the thing hit $100 you prolly ought to be somewhat concerned and/or prepared
asciilifeform: 'Molly-induced fantasy' << what is the 'molly' in question ?
asciilifeform guesses - hallucinogenic pill
BingoBoingo: ;;ud molly
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=molly | Abr. of 'molecular'. Pure form of MDMA (ecstasy), usually a free powder or in capsules. Oftentimes MDA is sold as molly. Should be white in color (...
BingoBoingo: Oh, just plain old MDMA
asciilifeform: Pure form << what is it customarily mixed with ?
BingoBoingo: Who knows?
ben_vulpes: meth and all sorts of other goodies
asciilifeform: ;;google marquis reagent
gribble: Marquis reagent - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marquis_reagent>; Marquis Reagent Testing Kit | DanceSafe: <http://www.dancesafe.org/product/marquis-reagent-testing-kit/>; Bunk Police Drug Test Kit - General (Marquis) Reagent - Amazon.com: <http://www.amazon.com/Bunk-Police-Drug-Test-Kit/dp/B00EDUN2I0>
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.28755 = 0.5751 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: !up ragnars
BingoBoingo: !up lolsv
BingoBoingo: !up xanthyos
BingoBoingo: !up mpmcsweeney
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