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BingoBoingo: !up RagnarsBitch
BingoBoingo: !up RagnarDanneskjol
usagi: Yeah I haven't been here in 9 months
usagi: I've been busy. But today is a big day :)
TheNewDeal: new scams on the horizon?
usagi: A red letter day
usagi: TheNewDeal; Hmm, well I don't really follow the securities forum anymore
usagi: Wouldn't klnow
TheNewDeal: what were you involved with?
usagi: Well I ran TU.SILVER, BMF, etc.
TheNewDeal: what happened, if you could give me the tldr
usagi: Sure
usagi: I'm getting the funny feeling you are insinuating I've been scamming without actually knowing what went on
usagi: I don't think you're cutting me a fair deal. That's also fair in a way, I can't make you like me. But don't waste my time kay
TheNewDeal: It was mostly a joke
usagi: Hehe
Duffer1: is internet, hate first, question later
usagi: Well basically I ran Tu.SILVER on bitfunder, and when bitfunder closed down I had to ship everyone their silver
TheNewDeal: part of the agreement from the gitgo?
ben_vulpes: ;;ud gitgo
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=gitgo | Slang term referring to the very beginning of any sequence or time frame. I knew Bush would be a nightmare from the gitgo! by Feets_dont_fail_me_now October  ...
usagi: The deal with TU.SILVER is the same as with BMF. It never wanted to close, but it did because the exchange folded. In TU.SILVER's case, we were a depository. So there are still a few customers who have not requested their silver
usagi: I have about 20oz or so lying around belonging to others
ben_vulpes: ;;gettrust usagi
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask usagi!~tsukino22@unaffiliated/tsukino. Trust relationship from user ben_vulpes to user usagi: Level 1: 0, Level 2: -5 via 5 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=ben_vulpes&dest=usagi | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=usagi | Rated since: Mon Jun 18 12:33:55 2012
usagi: The other side of the coin is over here on #assets
usagi: If you have been here for any length of time you are aware the regulars here like to name drop that I am a scammer
TheNewDeal: most definitely
usagi: It's a bunch of horeshit, but it is what it is.
TheNewDeal: not sure about your case in particular, but they usually can smell a scam out before it stinks
usagi: In this case, mircea popescu personally does not like me because I can out-talk him.
usagi: So he put me on ignore and that's that, I'm never getting out of this prison
TheNewDeal: oooh that's a bold statement
TheNewDeal: can you out think him?
usagi: We all have our specialities
TheNewDeal: If I were a scammer, I know which one I would prefer
usagi: To be honest the main reason I dont come here so often is because it is a waste of time :/
usagi: Very few of my business ever came from IRC, and all of the negativity did
TheNewDeal: gotta compare the opportunity cost
usagi: I've made much more avoiding it
usagi: Besides I deal in physical things, real estate, and education -- these are not the sort of businesses that get funding here
danielpbarron: you have no idea
usagi: Well yeah you're right. I havent been around for a long time :)
TheNewDeal: you do have a fair amount of wot data, which is always nice
usagi: Well WOT is an interesting subject.
usagi: MP himself has written a number of interesting articles about it. Gotta hand it to the man he is educating people somewhat
danielpbarron: ;;rated usagi
gribble: You rated user usagi on Sun Aug 17 10:48:58 2014, with a rating of -2, and supplied these additional notes: https://twitter.com/UsagiMeijin ; doesn't know how to WoT http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-otc/logs/2014/08/17#l1408286607.
TheNewDeal: who is anduck?
usagi: I did an insurance contract with anduck about 2 years ago iirc
usagi: The funny thing about wot is it is actualy disproving some of the crap people like bingoboingo have said about me
usagi: They put so much faith in the system, yet seem blind to what it is telling them.
TheNewDeal: I had the impression that WOT doesn't tell you something, it merely points you in the direction of people to talk to in order to format an opinion
usagi: thenewdeal; So if you talked to everyone I have a rating with, what would you see
usagi: You would see that everyone I do business with likes me
usagi: but that there's a small clique of people on #assets that hate me because bitcoin
TheNewDeal: or you do business with other scammers?
TheNewDeal: I just took a glance, I haven't talked to anyone
danielpbarron: hey, you got people's attention; now if you start doing something that's good for Bitcoin, maybe it'll turn into good attention
usagi: Well, check it out
BingoBoingo_: usagi: You are the most dangerous kind of Idiot, because you seem to sincerely believe that your good intentions make up for all of your poor outcomes
usagi: Bingo, you hate me because I spoke the truth about you
usagi: Bingo, Rating me -10 because of that is a little pathetic
BingoBoingo_: usagi: I care little for what you say
usagi: Anyways, to cut this shitball short. If bingo or anyone has any actual proof that I have had poor outcomes beyond that which is normal
usagi: Go ahead
TheNewDeal: well give me the longer version of what happened to your prior enterprises, and let me actually format an opinion
usagi: LIke I said bingo. The difference between you and me as a fund manager is that I have lived through 3 exchange closures and you suck up to the crowd here
TheNewDeal: well if you pick bullshit "exchanges" in the first place, aren't you asking for trouble?
danielpbarron: some wallet got lost because the rented server something something hardware
usagi: TheNewDeal; Like I said; TU.SILVER paid out everyone what was owed. BMF merged with Tu.SILVER, and I'm paying off the investors. I just made two payments this weekend to investors. I'm handling it.
usagi: TheNewDeal; What's a bullshit exchange?
TheNewDeal: havelock
usagi: TheNewDeal; No, they are compliant
usagi: You didn't know?
TheNewDeal: compliant with what?
BingoBoingo_: I don't run a fund, I play with MP's money and he repackages it as part of his fund.
usagi: Their laws :p
Duffer1: compliant with gettin dat paper from suckers
usagi: Bingo you do what you feel you need to do. I don't know you
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8363 @ 0.00071315 = 5.9641 BTC [+] {2}
TheNewDeal: their compliant with the foremost popular scammiest exchange at the moment
usagi: TheNewDeal; You poor soul. You've been infected.
usagi: Here's a question I'd love MP to answer
TheNewDeal: I still have my bitcoin though
usagi: Back in the day -- can anyone tell me -- what was the difference between GLBSE and MPEX? To prove a point
danielpbarron: did GLBSE use PGP keys for authentication?
TheNewDeal: didn't glbse promise returns , like a pyramid scheme?
usagi: pgp keys do not shield you against legal action by the government
usagi: The issue is that no one really knew how things would play out
BingoBoingo_: mircea_popescu never got off a plane without anything identifiable to customs as money to support himself?
usagi: But MP kept shitting all over GLBSE. Maybe he knew something, maybe he didn't, back then we didn't really know
danielpbarron: Bitcoin is not about teaming up with the USG
danielpbarron: that is a failed venture from the get-go
usagi: Today, I'm seeing the same thing with havelock. But with havelock the situation is different. I have been informed they are compliant.
usagi: So the party line does not apply as far as I know. If you have different information I would love to hear it
TheNewDeal: gitgo dpb
usagi: The government?
usagi: The government has nothing to do with this
danielpbarron: w/e; usagi, yes
usagi: The government has as much to do with bitcoin as it does with you believing in the whole bible
usagi: If you have to fight the government for your freedom then do so, beyond that I don't see what dragging the us government into things accomplishes
usagi: <+danielpbarron> Bitcoin is not about teaming up with the USG
usagi: yeah and I'm not a tomato lol (relevance?)
usagi: I gotta go :/ will be back I suppose, toodles
TheNewDeal: another interesting character in the history of bitcoin...
danielpbarron: 12:23 <+usagi> pgp keys do not shield you against legal action by the government << maybe you are a tomato
ben_vulpes: get go, TheNewDeal
TheNewDeal: ;;ud getgo
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=getgo | getgo. from the very beginning. Could be a shortened form of the American quality of "get up and go". Might also be a shortened form of what the cowboy said to ...
TheNewDeal: ;;ud gitgo
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=gitgo | Slang term referring to the very beginning of any sequence or time frame. I knew Bush would be a nightmare from the gitgo! by Feets_dont_fail_me_now October  ...
ben_vulpes: urban dictionary?
TheNewDeal: THE ONLY DICTIONARY
ben_vulpes: ok ok
ben_vulpes: you win clearly
TheNewDeal: caps always win
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9250 @ 0.0007134 = 6.599 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23400 @ 0.00071191 = 16.6587 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1517 @ 0.00071494 = 1.0846 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo_: https://twitter.com/thepaulhagan/status/501209137431465985
assbot: Tonight, /hashtag/Ferguson?src=hash cops have:* Tear-gassed an 8-year old* Driven a truck through a crowd* Threatened to kill a reporter on air
BingoBoingo_: Tonight, #Ferguson cops have: * Tear-gassed an 8-year old * Driven a truck through a crowd * Threatened to kill a reporter on air
BingoBoingo_: Amazing what tax dollars buy
ben_vulpes: i was going to ask you what the story was over there, bb
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Basically the first night when the Highway Patrol took over there was much peace and reconciliation like Christmas 1914. Then the shitstorm resumed.
Duffer1: turns out state troopers are still cops...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11000 @ 0.00071582 = 7.874 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Duffer1: Well, it seems the chain of command is either ineffective or non-existent
Duffer1: yea
Duffer1: it sounds like the local police captn has zero respect for the mayor
Duffer1: or the mayor is saying one thing and making the police do another
BingoBoingo: Well, the problem with this cooperative multiagency deal is that no one knows what's going on and no one is effectively in charge
ben_vulpes: if the folks in power'd just let the angry people run in circles for a day or two this shit'd have burnt itself out, no? instead, they make the whole thing worse.
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Probably
assbot: Twitter coverage from reporters, officials in Ferguson
BingoBoingo: I mean the 1992 LA riots only really lasted what, six days?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.288 = 1.44 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8150 @ 0.00071642 = 5.8388 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18200 @ 0.00071745 = 13.0576 BTC [+] {2}
TheNewDeal: ;;seen rg
gribble: rg was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 year, 35 weeks, 0 days, 8 hours, 18 minutes, and 27 seconds ago: <rg> good times
TheNewDeal: kakobrekla , you in the house?
TheNewDeal: pete, did you ever deal directly with usagi?
TheNewDeal: !up pete_dushenski
TheNewDeal: pete_dushenski did you ever deal directly with usagi?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18150 @ 0.00071538 = 12.9841 BTC [-] {2}
ben_vulpes: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 492.0, Best ask: 492.99, Bid-ask spread: 0.99000, Last trade: 493.54, 24 hour volume: 10808.57390774, 24 hour low: 485.39, 24 hour high: 521.92, 24 hour vwap: 499.397297578
pete_dushenski: TheNewDeal: depends how you define "deal
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: sent :)
TheNewDeal: like did you buy shares in any of his companies, buy silver from him, etc?
TheNewDeal: ;;ident pete_dushenski
gribble: Nick 'pete_dushenski', with hostmask 'pete_dushenski!~pete_dush@unaffiliated/pete-dushenski/x-8158685', is identified as user 'pete_dushenski', with GPG key id 165749929F9A6BDD, key fingerprint E6625CC14638C4CA404694E9165749929F9A6BDD, and bitcoin address None
pete_dushenski: TheNewDeal: nope
assbot: Who Are We? Not Nationals | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski
BingoBoingo: ;;google site:trilema.com nations are hotels
gribble: Stratfor lolololor. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/stratfor-lolololor>
assbot: All quotes from the incomparable Mircea Popescu: http://t.co/tdb6liMr0s
assbot: Rape is fun, or let’s fuck up Adria Richards pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
assbot: Patriarchy is a thing because nobody likes living in a world populated by little girls pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
pete_dushenski: the touchiness of some people
pete_dushenski: ^re tweet
ben_vulpes: "i may not agree with what you say, but i'll defend to the death your right to say it"
ben_vulpes: maybe not *you* and maybe not *my* death, but you get the picture.
assbot: Tara ca un hotel, sau o schimbare de perspectiva pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
BingoBoingo: hanbot: That's the one, thank you.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5650 @ 0.00071483 = 4.0388 BTC [-]
hanbot: np
BingoBoingo: Anyways pete_dushenski That Trilema goes nicely with your newest post.
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 172 Ask: 221 Last Price: 170 24h-Vol: 0k High: N/A Low: N/A VWAP: N/A
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: merci
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: If you're going to really be the best MP scholar you can be, you need to be able to tackle the Romanian writings
pete_dushenski: lol not an impossible task between my french and spanish
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: i saw in teh logs that you're picking up quite a bit of romanian
BingoBoingo: It definitely isn't an impossible task. Certainly more rewarding that going around like a certain someone who imagines "<usagi> In this case, mircea popescu personally does not like me because I can out-talk him."
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Not really picking up romanian in a generally useful way, just dictionary assisted reading.
pete_dushenski: that still opens up a whole whack of material, which is really the point
BingoBoingo: You know the relationship between this outlet HeySteve writes for and this one mining hardware company seems way to cozy http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/news/gawminers-introduces-hashlet-shopify-crashes/2014/08/16
assbot: GAWMiners Introduces Hashlet; Shopify Crashes » CryptoCoinsNews
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell Heysteve Have you thought about taking your reporting talents elsewhere or going independent? The general quality of this thing you are writing for seems to be tanking and an exit plan is probably advisable.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3583 @ 0.00071483 = 2.5612 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: Also that coinfire thing seems to have slowed to a trickle since their lulzy blowup over really needing money but being too obsessed with their "image" as they imagine it to explore how to actually get money http://coinfire.cf/2014/08/12/opinion-motivation/
assbot: Opinion: My Motivation - Coin Fire
cazalla: ccn is one of the spammiest blogs out there, it improved a little over the past year but it's just as bad as coindesk
cazalla: and nfi why you need a kickstart for something like coinfire
cazalla: i had a diablo blog doing 1m uniques a month and it was fine on $20 month vps
BingoBoingo: I mean my shared hosting survived an intense /. admirably though my long term plans for the blog lean towards dedicated hardware for other reasons.
cazalla: ccn had a scammy investment club of which altcoins they were gonna pump and even went as far as publishing an article apologins for all the spammy shit they post
BingoBoingo: lulzy, I missed this
cazalla: if i had to guess, the site was prob sold to someone else who did it up
cazalla: i'm trying to find the article atm BingoBoingo
assbot: Invest and Trade Cryptocurrencies » CryptoCoinsNews
BingoBoingo: That's some seriously shady shit
cazalla: hmm, a lot of the older posts have been deleted
assbot: Primecoin is STILL our best investment advice, recent actions verifies the shift - Cryptocurrency News, Bitcoin Trading Analysis | Cryptocurrency News, Bitcoin Trading Analysis
cazalla: lol yeah
mircea_popescu: <usagi> But MP kept shitting all over GLBSE. Maybe he knew something, maybe he didn't, back then we didn't really know << i knew things the lot of you didn't before it was even cool.
mircea_popescu: nothing's changed since 2011 but the knowledge gap. much deeper nao.
mircea_popescu: <usagi> yeah and I'm not a tomato lol (relevance?) << check it out kako. tomato is not a scammer either!
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu> nothing's changed since 2011 but the knowledge gap. much deeper nao. << Probably the reading comprehension gap as well
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31036 @ 0.00071144 = 22.0803 BTC [-] {4}
BingoBoingo: Information is worthless in the hands of people who can't interpret it
cazalla: BingoBoingo, i can't find the apology article, perhaps it's been removed but that sites was taking reddit posts, rewriting them, upboating them to the top and attracting a lot of traffic, i speculate the site was sold to someone who wanted to do it up and improve the quality but no proof, just a hunch
BingoBoingo: Interesting cazalla
assbot: usagi +v failed; L1: 0, L2: -5
BingoBoingo: !up usagi
cazalla: plus it's in google news feed which is valuable
usagi: Hi. If you have something to say about me Bingo, say it to me and not behind my back please.
BingoBoingo: usagi: The logs are public
BingoBoingo: It's just kind of assumed they get read
usagi: Have you ever dealt with me directly? Invested in anything I've run?
usagi: Do you have any evidence that I have scammed or stolen anyone's bitcoins?
usagi: I'm just curious since you're very new here, comparatively, and yet you seem to know so much about people you have never met
usagi: I haven't been here in 9 months, since that time you have established yourself in this community. I find your case in particular very interesting.
BingoBoingo: usagi: I've read the history and your interactions with others. I actually don't think you are a scammer at all. I still think you are incredibly dangerous.
BingoBoingo: I first appeared in this channel early 2013
usagi: Why do you think I'm dangerous? I'm interested in learning precisely what it is you feel I should learn.
BingoBoingo: Well what does pete_dushenski learn? It's less any particular skill set and more your general recklessness.
usagi: Pete dushenki is a lot like you
usagi: You formed an opinion of me based on what other people have said
mircea_popescu: assbot: Tonight, /hashtag/Ferguson?src=hash cops have: * Tear-gassed an 8-year old * Driven a truck through a crowd * Threatened to kill a reporter on air << that shit still going strong huh.
BingoBoingo: A lot of it was from things you've said as well, I mean forum posts channel logs (here and -otc)
mircea_popescu: will it be a summer affair or still going oct 1st ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: I mean the 1992 LA riots only really lasted what, six days? << how long do you think a town will burn.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: If it didn't seem destined for the BadBat category would make an interesting BitBet
usagi: Well Bingo it's true I am eccentric. I am pretty sure a lot of people think i'm nuts. But dangerous? I'm just asking what the deal is with that one
assbot: Police States and Inner-City Economics - Ryan McMaken - Mises Daily
usagi: Frankly, you decided to rate me without ever having chatted with me
BingoBoingo: usagi: Well you seem to have a lot of accidents https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=742521.0
assbot: Lost Bitcoins -- Did you just get 0.2 bitcoins?
usagi: And it's likely as a result of the continuous name dropping in this channel despite me not being here for 9 months.
usagi: Bingo, when tahoe-lafs loses a 300 btc private key, the situation is "sad". When I lose zero BTC in a development site web wallet I get videos made about me.
BingoBoingo: usagi: I've chatted with you before several times. Your memory's reliability is not my concern.
usagi: No we haven't really chatted
BingoBoingo: In this channel we have
mircea_popescu: <usagi> Well Bingo it's true I am eccentric. I am pretty sure a lot of people think i'm nuts. But dangerous? I'm just asking what the deal is with that one <<< you massively overestimate your own ability, and then derp about it in an unconvincing but ceaseless manner which entraps the more idiotic bystanders.
usagi: Ehh I thought you had me on ignore?
mircea_popescu: at some point i probably did
BingoBoingo: usagi: We've chatted several times in this channel last summer
usagi: Well mp if you have any advie for me go ahead, I'm all ears
mircea_popescu: i guess at some point i probably will again.
usagi: advice*
mircea_popescu: the advice is to stfu and read. which is hopefull what yu've been doing the past year or so
usagi: Yep
mircea_popescu: and that way i won't have to put you back on ignore either.
usagi: Thanks.
mircea_popescu: ;;seen grubles
gribble: grubles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 22 weeks, 5 days, 6 hours, 48 minutes, and 44 seconds ago: <grubles> didnt know ^_^
mircea_popescu: look at that, grubles hates me nao ?
pete_dushenski: guess so...
mircea_popescu: hanbot: np << i think hanbot read them all.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: If you're going to really be the best MP scholar you can be, you need to be able to tackle the Romanian writings << sorry folks. i didn't do it on purpose, i just had nfi we'll end up here.
mircea_popescu: (and i didn't think much of english speakers back in 2010, either.)
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu finally finished the monumental flesh vs. machine article. doesn't seem your thoughts on english speakers have much changed.
mircea_popescu: well if it makes you feel better i have a lot of disdain for romanians too.
mircea_popescu: misanthropy, it's like a thing.
pete_dushenski: i feel just fine either way :)
mircea_popescu: but yeah, that thing was a bitch to write.
pete_dushenski: the only part of the article i didn't totally grok was the aryan bit
pete_dushenski: what do aryans have to do with snowden, charlotta, etc?
mircea_popescu: ask away.
mircea_popescu: well i imagine asciilifeform's theory is that snowden is kosher while i gave manning as an example of not.
mircea_popescu: whatever you'd call it... straight laced ?
pete_dushenski: and the seekrit skvirels are the usg ?
pete_dushenski: or the russians?
mircea_popescu: i dunno if that's particularly contemplated. whenever asciilifeform uses that i just replace with "secret agents"
mircea_popescu: kinda derpy ones i guess, but anwyay.
pete_dushenski: hm ok. makes sense
pete_dushenski: ya, i can see the holes in the aryan theory now
pete_dushenski: if it's any kind of preference or rubric at all, it's horribly neglected
pete_dushenski: sort of like sportsmanship in soccer
mircea_popescu: how do you mean ?
pete_dushenski: well if the skvirels are selecting agents based on a code of sorts, and letting in mannings and the like while pretending to do so, this is a bit like soccer players who speak of professionalism and dive when their opponent looks at them funny
pete_dushenski: perhaps a better example is the stereotypical catholic schoolgirl
mircea_popescu: yeah it just doesn't add up.
xmj: what is it with catholic schoolgirls these ays?
xmj: they're damn pervasive, you find them everywhere.
mircea_popescu: i mean asciilifeform needs it to prop up his "competence behind the incompetence" theory, but otherwise in practice it's not observed.
pete_dushenski: very proper on paper, but filth nasty when the bell rings
mircea_popescu: xmj like what, your bedroom ?
pete_dushenski: those plaid skirts are hanging from the ceiling fan ;)
assbot: NSA privacy invasion bad, but nothing compared to Google.
pete_dushenski: well ya, google isn't broke
mircea_popescu: he;'s just buttsore that google indexes trilema better than newscorp.
mircea_popescu: ;;rated grubles
gribble: You rated user grubles on Fri Nov 23 22:04:49 2012, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: None.
fluffypony: does anyone know BitcoinBear from btctalk?
mircea_popescu: fluffypony the mod ?
fluffypony: I don't think he's a mod
fluffypony: he posted in a stack of mpex threads in 2013
mircea_popescu: name seems familiar one sec
assbot: View the profile of bitcoinbear
mircea_popescu: cazalla: i had a diablo blog doing 1m uniques a month and it was fine on $20 month vps << that's pretty impressive for the vps.
assbot: Ferguson: police fire tear gas at protesters before second night of curfew.
fluffypony: and then went quiet from July 2013, popped his head up for 1 comment in September, and then suddenly in May this year is back and supporting some crappy scamcoin
fluffypony: so I'm thinking it's a bought account
BingoBoingo: "Given these deliberate, coordinated and intensifying violent attacks on lives and property in Ferguson, I am directing the highly capable men and women of the Missouri National Guard to assist Colonel Ron Replogle and the Unified Command in restoring peace and order to this community."
mircea_popescu: fluffypony yeah the original was a more or less adult dude. acct may have been sold i hear.
fluffypony: aight
BingoBoingo: So, from pretend martial law to actual martial law
BingoBoingo: You know, this account selling thing is why there can't be old timers on the forum
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo but the attacks come mostly from the police.
mircea_popescu: is the national guard there to put down teh police ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: We'll find out!
BingoBoingo: It wouldn't be the first time such things happened in Missouri
BingoBoingo: ;;google Quantrill
gribble: William Quantrill - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Quantrill>; Quantrill's Raiders - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantrill's_Raiders>; PBS - THE WEST - William Clarke Quantrill: <http://www.pbs.org/weta/thewest/people/i_r/quantrill.htm>
mircea_popescu: assbot: usagi +v failed; L1: 0, L2: -5 << this is kinda lulzy.
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 490.94, Best ask: 491.98, Bid-ask spread: 1.04000, Last trade: 490.94, 24 hour volume: 10815.66536353, 24 hour low: 485.39, 24 hour high: 521.92, 24 hour vwap: 499.397297578
fluffypony: usagi has been peddling in #bitcoin-otc again
fluffypony: he told me that he got SO MUCH BUSINESS from my targeting him
atcbot: [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 1.31 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 0.00 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.44 TH/s
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 177834.60 in 1925 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -90.53
mircea_popescu: fluffypony he was here earlier too. what's he doing these days ?
atcbot: 16k@250 2k@245 43k@221 | 80k@172 34k@170 125k@165
fluffypony: no idea
fluffypony: drowning in SO MUCH business
pete_dushenski: ;;bc,stats
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo that guy's facial hair...
gribble: Current Blocks: 316223 | Current Difficulty: 1.9729645940577133E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 316511 | Next Difficulty In: 288 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 13 hours, 21 minutes, and 43 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 23419670466.1 | Estimated Percent Change: 18.70294
BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-08-2014#799730 << usagi: I've been busy. But today is a big day :)
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The only thing he could have done better would have been to completely erase Lawrence Kansas
mircea_popescu: you can never erase a shithole.
mircea_popescu: (old turkish proverb)
assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1NE5RAP.txt )
cazalla: mircea_popescu, might've upgraded it, this is just after d3 lauched so don't really remember, point being i doubt they need a kickstarter to continue blogging
mircea_popescu: cazalla for server costs, no.
mircea_popescu: "Here, Quantrill took up a job in the lumberyards, unloading timber from rail cars. One night while working the late shift, he shot a man to death. Authorities briefly arrested Quantrill, who claimed self-defense. Since there were no eyewitnesses and the victim was a stranger who knew no one in town, William was set free."
mircea_popescu: not bad.
BingoBoingo: Murica used to not suck so bad
mircea_popescu: hey, my grandfather loved it.
mircea_popescu: Editors Note from Mike: I am adding this note after this piece is published to state that this is a personal opinion piece from Brendon.
mircea_popescu: This piece is not endorsed by Coin Fire.
mircea_popescu: Brendon has since resigned on his own accord after realizing from countless emails of concerned readers that this was seen as an “attempt to grab money via guilt”. While this was not his intention he has since realized that it could be seen that way by many readers and independently felt he needed to go back and better hone his skills at this time.
mircea_popescu: this is so idiotic.
xmj: topic?
mircea_popescu: an editor's job is to EDIT, which means protect the fucking copywriters from their own idiocy
mircea_popescu: not put up a note to insulate himsefl from them. this is like... antiprofessional.
mircea_popescu: i have an idea, let's all call ourselves things we aren't and then do a shitty job of it.
mircea_popescu: i'm going to be a barber and ima peel everyone bloody today ;/
pete_dushenski: "Chinese and Russian officials are warning of a potential humanitarian crisis in the restive American province of Missouri, where ancient communal tensions have boiled over into full-blown violence."
BingoBoingo: That thing started so promising and fell so far, basically weev 2.0
pete_dushenski: "'We must use all means at our disposal to end the violence and restore calm to the region,' Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov"
assbot: How we'd cover Ferguson if it happened in another country - Vox
BingoBoingo: ;;google Missouri bellweather
gribble: Missouri bellwether - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missouri_bellwether>; Bellwether - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bellwether>; Missouri slips from political bellwether status this fall - USA Today: <http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/story/2012-06-24/missouri-no-longer-political-bellwether/55795366/1>
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski lmao epic
mircea_popescu: sino-russian pacification mission in missouri ftw
pete_dushenski: pretty much nail to head there
pete_dushenski: i actually saw a pic of some tibetan monks there lol
BingoBoingo: Missouri is the most plainly American of the states with it's own east and west coasts (St Louis and Kansas City), and the capitol is a desolate hell hole
assbot: They came all the way from India to /hashtag/Ferguson?src=hash. http://t.co/qRLKqxoo5g
BingoBoingo: "Analysts who study the opaque American political system, in which all provinces are granted semi-autonomous self-rule, warned that Nixon may seize the opportunity to move against weakened municipal rulers in Ferguson." << Surprisingly accurate given how St Louis county is organized
mircea_popescu: "In the spirit of being open and transparent (a guiding principal of this site and our editorial policies), I am adding this note to this story and taking full responsibility that I have failed our readers and offering my most sincere apologies."
mircea_popescu: this part he got right, tho.
mircea_popescu: minus the spelling, but hey.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20700 @ 0.00070992 = 14.6953 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: !up B51Num1
mircea_popescu: "We’ve seen the criticisms from a certain IRC channel where he and the site is being put down for trying to raise some capital."
cazalla: pete_dushenski, "Yes, dear People Of The World, you belong to your family, your faith, and your traditions, not your “nation.” Where else does this exist than perhaps countries such as Japan? Families have been destroyed, faith abandoned, very little tradition left. What's left but nationalism? (I started to fall into this trap).
mircea_popescu: that wasn';t us was it ?
mircea_popescu: "I know some of this stems from the fact the website contains advertisements. A great debate has taken place internally about those advertisements.
mircea_popescu: They barely bring in a dollar a week for this site. They can be distracting, they can be frustrating and even annoying at times but they appear because they do bring something in, no matter how little and Mike applies every bit they earn to paying the ever increasing bills this site is faced with on a daily basis."
mircea_popescu: awww, and van-ads pays 10 bux a day. sucks.
punkman: damn heisenbugs, girl was just here, I tell her come check out the weird-colored monitor, and it fucking fixed itself!
assbot: Aaron Toponce : What's The Matter With PGP?
mircea_popescu: maybe she has an electric personality
mircea_popescu: pankkake still with this ?!
mircea_popescu: a nm, thought it's the same old link for some reason
mircea_popescu: "Turns out, the post is complete junk. It's about as thoughtful and informative as the Nigerian 411 scam. Let's analyze the post, top-to-bottom."
BingoBoingo: So here's a quick preview of something from a post I'm working on: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/Missouri.png
RagnarDanneskjol: I love the ozarks. All those lakes and hillbillies
BingoBoingo: Yeah, nice rivers too
mircea_popescu: pankkake left him a coupla comments, thanks.
mircea_popescu: and soap music.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23250 @ 0.00070974 = 16.5015 BTC [-] {2}
RagnarDanneskjol: I have a moral dilemna. This company in China wants to retain me to hire them a team of devs to build them a chinese version of ripple. They have an enormous budget and the account would be a boon for my business. Of course ripple is junk as so nicely described here: http://trilema.com/2013/ripple-the-definitive-discussion/. I've tried to reason and communicate this to them (i am wor
assbot: Page not found pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
RagnarDanneskjol: king through an interpreter).. yet they are determined to move forward. i am inclined to pass on it altogether unless I can convince them to build a solution that doesnt so explicitly violate the laws of capital-debt / reality
RagnarDanneskjol: any suggestions are welcome
mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol why is it a moral dilemma ?
RagnarDanneskjol: because they would be spending an inordinate sum of money on me and devs I locate to build something I know to be rotten
mircea_popescu: you're not the master of the fucking world on other people's money. suppose you were a plumber and i hired you to build me a toilet on the ceiling. after you explained to me this design i have is idiotic, as long as i'm paying you;d better build it.
fluffypony: RagnarDanneskjol if you don't do it for them will they find someone else?
RagnarDanneskjol: I know - I think too much is getting lost in translation here with them.. but you're right
fluffypony: (hint: the answer is yes)
RagnarDanneskjol: correct they will go somewhere else
fluffypony: so basically you can either profit from their decision
fluffypony: or not
fluffypony: and the thing is
fluffypony: they're not asking you to make weapons to kill puppies
fluffypony: they're asking you to build a piece of software that isn't inherently malicious
mircea_popescu: yeah, it's not like it's some big secret that ripple is broken and why etc.
RagnarDanneskjol: still. i feel I can somehow interject with a better technical solution for them and retain the business/sleep better at night
mircea_popescu: the best tech solution is for them to just buy ripple
mircea_popescu: caleb & co are pretty well out f dough by now.
RagnarDanneskjol: not a bad idea
mircea_popescu: maybe they buy euderpium too and make a supernexus
mircea_popescu: no wait what was it called. a supernode.
punkman: no caleb is already on to the stellar thing
punkman: got some fresh suckers
RagnarDanneskjol: I know -will be easy to pick off devs
assbot: A Debit Card Powered by Ripple | Ripple
assbot: Codius is Open Source | Ripple
punkman: debit card!!!11
punkman: so you go up to the machine to withdraw some money, and the machine is like fuck you dude, I don't take pirateat40BTC
thestringpuller: people are up
thestringpuller: Or just didn't go to sleep?
thestringpuller: lol toilet on the ceiling
thestringpuller: some good logs to wake up to XD
punkman: what is this a threat? " Y-Combinator-backed Shift Payments, which, according to TechCrunch, is “working to make it as easy to spend digital currencies, cryptocurrencies and loyalty points as it is to spend regular, fiat money.”"
cazalla: litecoin under $4, perhaps my bet http://bitbet.us/bet/773/ltc-under-1-usd-before-2015/ will get there in the end
assbot: BitBet - LTC under $1 USD before 2015 :: 0.09 B (17%) on Yes, 0.46 B (83%) on No | closing in 4 months 1 week| weight: 43`817 (100`000 to 1)
thestringpuller: ugh ripple
thestringpuller: make it go away
mircea_popescu: punkman even tecvh crunch is now skeptical of ycombinator
mircea_popescu: ALL IT TOOK WAS AN ARTICLE ON TRILEMA TWO YEARS AGO TO BUCK THEM
mircea_popescu: mp lists derps, mpex servers go offline, mpex servers come back online, nobody wants to do series a anymoar. the lyf&tymes.
assbot: sgornick comments on Bitcoin in Name Only
thestringpuller: reddit sometimes delivers.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24920 @ 0.000709 = 17.6683 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: it's more sgornick than reddit.
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot sgornick
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user sgornick: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 3 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=sgornick | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=sgornick | Rated since: Thu Dec 2 21:13:08 2010
mircea_popescu: ;;seen sgornick
gribble: sgornick was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 23 hours, 1 minute, and 49 seconds ago: <sgornick> Who is cascadianhacker.com ? http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/04/11_bitcoin-assets-new-wot-and-voice-model.html <-- Bandwidth Limit Exceeded
mircea_popescu: o wow. cool.
RagnarDanneskjol: the swanson post is a riot
pankkake: "Why did this get down voted? Maybe they didn't read past Tim, you ignorant slut"
pankkake: yeah sounds like reddit
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assbot: Killer whale throws sea lion 20 feet into the air! Ketchikan, Alaska - YouTube
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14733 @ 0.00070872 = 10.4416 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: ;;rated sgornick
gribble: You rated user sgornick on Fri Sep 28 05:44:50 2012, with a rating of 3, and supplied these additional notes: Solid guy..
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14400 @ 0.00070806 = 10.1961 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8625 @ 0.00070992 = 6.1231 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7437 @ 0.00071267 = 5.3001 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell mike_c you proly should add pingbacks to your blog somehow.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: !up nullB
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9610 @ 0.00071267 = 6.8488 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42200 @ 0.00070843 = 29.8957 BTC [-] {4}
thestringpuller: screen -d
pankkake: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 465.34, Best ask: 466.99, Bid-ask spread: 1.65000, Last trade: 464.1, 24 hour volume: 15812.06346459, 24 hour low: 462.01, 24 hour high: 510.0, 24 hour vwap: 499.397297578
kakobrekla: party over, go home.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16041 @ 0.00070703 = 11.3415 BTC [-]
cazalla: good timing, got some of that fkn fiat coming wednesday
cazalla: ;;seen mexual
gribble: mexual was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 days, 23 hours, 52 minutes, and 8 seconds ago: <Mexual> shit a brick, thats exactly how frogger is played
cazalla: ;;seen vexual
gribble: vexual was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 5 days, 0 hours, 46 minutes, and 15 seconds ago: <Vexual> thats not how you play frogger
cazalla: damn, your hang over must've been far worse than mine
cazalla: ;;market buy 500000
cazalla: how's that work again?
punkman: ;;buy 50000
gribble: (buy [--long] <amount> <thing> [at|@] <priceperunit> <otherthing> [<notes>]) -- Logs a buy order for <amount> units of <thing>, at a price of <price> per unit, in units of <otherthing>. Use the optional <notes> field to put in any special notes. <price> may include an arithmetical expression, and {(mtgox|bitstamp)(ask|bid|last|high|low|avg)} to index price to mtgox ask, bid, last, high, (1 more message)
kakobrekla: ;;market buy 500000
gribble: Bitstamp | This order would exceed the size of the order book. You would buy 24371.327 bitcoins, for a total of 21123101.8979 USD and take the price to 99999.9900. | Data vintage: 47.0314 seconds
BigBitz: kakobrekla you want it for fiat ?
BigBitz: ;;market fiat 500000
gribble: Error: The "Market" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "fiat" in it. Try "list Market" to see the commands in the "Market" plugin.
BigBitz: Bah.
BigBitz: ;;market buy --usd 5000000
gribble: (market buy [--fiat] [--market <market>] [--currency XXX] <value>) -- Calculate the effect on the market depth of a market buy order of <value> bitcoins. If <market> is provided, uses that exchange. Default is Bitstamp. If --currency XXX is provided, converts to that fiat currency. Default is USD. If '--fiat' option is given, <value> denotes the size of the order in fiat.
BigBitz: ;;market buy --fiat --currency usd 5000000
gribble: Bitstamp | A market order to buy 5000000.0000 USD worth of bitcoins right now would buy 9121.2065 bitcoins and would take the last price up to 600.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 548.1731 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0303 seconds
kakobrekla: BigBitz cazalla wants it not me
kakobrekla: and dunno what it is.
assbot: Let’s pretend… pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
kakobrekla: so you can only miss the chance to sell 10k 3 times or something?
chetty: !up usagi
cazalla: nfi, my take away was there is only so much you can borrow to sell it down until it's no longer an option
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5800 @ 0.00070774 = 4.1049 BTC [+] {2}
StephanLivera: Yeah it's an interesting point by MP, bitcoin is much easier for people to demand 'delivery' of too (when comparing to physical gold)
StephanLivera: I think it's really a matter of time until the next round of bank failures, bank bail-ins, currency devaluation etc. When that happens, people will be heading for the hills, nobody wants to be left holding the fiat bag
pankkake: but why would they chose the greasy teenager currency?
StephanLivera: given bitcoin's position as the top cryptocurrency (and the only one, really) - people will need a way to transfer value internationally with ease
StephanLivera: they will choose bitcoin because it has the strongest network effect behind it
pankkake: gold has a stronger network effect
StephanLivera: gold can't be so easily sent overseas / via internet
chetty: moving gold across border is hard
pankkake: true
StephanLivera: now there were things like e-gold etc. but there's the problem. 1) counter party risk and 2) high chance of governmental take down
pankkake: so what's good for bitcoin is regulation. gold regulation :p
BigBitz: 3) high chance of non-existing 'vaulted gold'
BigBitz: paper gold is bad gold.
BigBitz: in my hand or gtfo.
StephanLivera: BigBitz, exactly - another area where btc shines, because it's very easy to "demand delivery"
BigBitz: StephanLivera yes sir. Agreed.
StephanLivera: pankkake, I think regulation is pretty irrelevant - government might SLOW bitcoin, but it will not stop bitcoin. it's just come too far, and the benefits are too great for it to be stopped now
chetty: every new regulation on fiats sends more people looking for options, goodness
StephanLivera: chetty, exactly - the tighter government controls constrict people and their choices, the MORE they want to look elsewhere. The best 'elsewhere' is bitcoin, most people just haven't realised this yet.
pankkake: bitcoin was conceived to ignore regulation, yes, so yes it benefits from regulation on other things
StephanLivera: that's a great way of putting it
assbot: usagi +v failed; L1: 0, L2: -5
chetty: !up usagi
usagi: Isn't the government (the US government anyway) already taxing bitcoin?
usagi: I don't think they are interested in stopping it
StephanLivera: Yes it is, but there are difficulties identifying all bitcoin transactions, and difficulties tying transactions to a user
chetty: IRS said its property, so I guess so
usagi: Note that stating it is property is not a statement it is legal; drugs need to be property so that you can be in posession of them
chetty: think they tax WoW gold too
StephanLivera: usagi, but they even sold the silk road bitcoins. If they find illicit drugs, they don't sell those - they destroy them. So that in itself shows some treatment of legitimacy
StephanLivera: bitcoin itself is not illegal, nor would the state attack it by attempting to outright outlaw bitcoin. It would preferably try to make it too onerous to use with regulations instead. This way it's like a 'soft banning'.
chetty: but they even sold the silk road bitcoins// nice precedent
usagi: If the state openly sold bitcoins that is pretty much a statement that selling bitcoins is legal
chetty: no if about it, now I wonder if they had to pay capital gains tax
thestringpuller: bitcoin trapping is illegal id think
thestringpuller: selling large sums of btc in exchange for straight cash
artifexd: No. Not illegal.
thestringpuller: isnt holding large sums of cash illegal?
artifexd: You will be required to submit a report to Fincen that includes the identities of all parties involved. But the transaction itself is not illegal.
thestringpuller: in paper form that is
artifexd: Not at all.
thestringpuller: oh yea. my b.
thestringpuller: if you get approval i suppose it is okay
thestringpuller: those parties go straigbg
thestringpuller: those parties go straight to a watch list...***
artifexd: It isn't approval. It's just a notification.
artifexd: I'm sure they do.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9350 @ 0.00070689 = 6.6094 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15750 @ 0.00070673 = 11.131 BTC [-]
assbot: Anything Else by Sarah Silverman - YouTube
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7576 @ 0.00070673 = 5.3542 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4624 @ 0.00070663 = 3.2675 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12050 @ 0.00070677 = 8.5166 BTC [+]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11296 @ 0.00070587 = 7.9735 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14654 @ 0.00070496 = 10.3305 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 500 @ 0.001354 = 0.677 BTC [+]
assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin to drop under $450 before September :: 6.08 B (32%) on Yes, 12.85 B (68%) on No | closing in 1 week 1 day| weight: 31`177 (100`000 to 1)
pete_dushenski: dear bitbet mods, please to close and resolve above as per $442 low: https://bitcoinwisdom.com/markets/bitstamp/btcusd
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pete_dushenski: le sigh, was gonna toss some on that too!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 594 @ 0.00127157 = 0.7553 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: Who Are We? Not Nationals | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 909 @ 0.00135497 = 1.2317 BTC [+]
pete_dushenski: if anyone else has seen medical literature supporting the theory that fasting is effective for cancer treatment and prevention, feel free to toss it in the contravex comments section
pete_dushenski: cazalla: pete_dushenski, "Yes, dear People Of The World, you belong to your family, your faith, and your traditions, not your ?nation.? Where else does this exist than perhaps countries such as Japan? Families have been destroyed, faith abandoned, very little tradition left. What's left but nationalism? (I started to fall into this trap). << that's sorta teh point of their nefarious exercise. what's left is your own
pete_dushenski: search. even if you have to start from scratch, better to give your kids that than australianism or w/e
assbot: Who Are We? Not Nationals | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski
pete_dushenski: twas fast
pankkake: tried fasting, I don't take it well
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: mp lists derps, mpex servers go offline, mpex servers come back online, nobody wants to do series a anymoar. the lyf&tymes. << is it already the third generation? like http://trilema.com/2014/pushing-the-soft-tender-flesh-of-a-friend-against-the-sharp-rotating-blades-of-the-immutable-machine/#footnote_3_56091 ?
assbot: Pushing the soft tender flesh of a friend against the sharp rotating blades of the immutable machine. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
pankkake: but my body is hardly in an healthy state
pete_dushenski: pankkake: i was never much good at it myself but tried again a few weeks ago and breezed through 24 hours. no sweat.
pankkake: I feel more deezy than hungry
pankkake: wait, how is that word spelt
pete_dushenski: well you still gotta drink water
pete_dushenski: deezy is funnier than dizzy
pete_dushenski: i drank coffee too
pankkake: it's how I write dizzy when I'm dizzy
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pete_dushenski: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B8nhAlfIk3QIbGFzOXF5UUN3N2c/edit << taleb on gmo foods and precautionary principle
assbot: pp2.pdf - Google Drive
pete_dushenski: "The Precautionary Principle: Fragility and Black Swans from Policy Actions"
asciilifeform: gmo foods << a term annoying as all hell. there are no 'gmo foods
asciilifeform: there is only, at present, 'foods optimized to resist gargantuan quantities of herbicide on the field.'
asciilifeform: people debate 'gmo food' as if i can go and buy, e.g., tomato plant that expresses caffeine, etc
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: that'd be the tomacco you're looking for
pete_dushenski: and it's herbicide resistance as well as larger output, drought resistance
asciilifeform: or say, go and fix RuBisCO, world's most inefficient enzyme, bottleneck in photosynthesis. then grow enough on garden plot to feed entire street. destroy land/wealth equivalency, mass chaos, good times.
pete_dushenski: sure, foods have always been tinkered with by man, but introducing scorpion and jellyfish genes into grains is something else entirely
asciilifeform: but no, somehow, 'gmo' equals what monsanto inc. does.
pete_dushenski: fair enough
asciilifeform: poisons - are poisonous. news at 11.
pete_dushenski: the term is associated with the profit-oriented, risk-burying activities of megacorp abc
pete_dushenski: surely not the only possible application of genetic modification, just the only one anyone is bothering with
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: for any other application, you need a total ability to piss on patents - backed up with thermonukes. a la ussr.
pete_dushenski: therefore having an issue with the use of "gmo" is akin to having an issue with a "president" who could be a figure skating soccer mascot, but isn't
pete_dushenski: iirc le putin is banning gmo crud in his fair land, if the sanctions aren't doing it first
asciilifeform: story time. the appearance of the mass-produced hypodermic needle in 19th c. came in time for the peculiar debate in usa re: 'humane' methods of execution. poison injected via hypodermic (today's fashion) was proposed. rejected at the insistence of the medical world - they argued, probably correctly, that it would scare off folks from agreeing to be injected with anything. (eventually electric chair was adopted.)
asciilifeform: if things had gone slightly differently, we might be debating whether medicine ought to make use of hypodermics, even today.
asciilifeform: electric chair, meanwhile, did its fair bit to delay the adoption of alternating current mains (just like its inventor, edison, wanted it to. though he would've like to delay it forever.)
thestringpuller: pete_dushenski we need more comics
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: let's make some!
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: i wonder what the noose did for the rope industry...
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: noose is traditionally reusable
thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: aight, nubbins can be the comic editor
thestringpuller: i can write a few scripts and then my buddy can draw frames
thestringpuller: and you can be the publisher
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: i say you start your own blog. super easy to do. then you can be the home of #b-a comics!
thestringpuller: hmm intriguing
thestringpuller: maybe after I finish the visualizer
chetty: <asciilifeform> there is only, at present, 'foods optimized to resist gargantuan quantities of herbicide on the field.'// actually I dont think they much have a clue all the effects of the 'engineering' they been up to
pete_dushenski: gotstajet. adios!
asciilifeform: chetty: speaking here of the one incontrovertible engineered effect (augmented tolerance for herbicides, pesticides)
chetty: asciilifeform, yup, and that one is bad enough, the unkinown ones are scary
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 14195 @ 0.0000525 = 0.7452 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7400 @ 0.00070555 = 5.2211 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 518 @ 0.0013001 = 0.6735 BTC [-] {3}
asciilifeform: chetty: even with the poison, to approach something like the lethality of the mass automobile would be quite a feat. the more interesting aspect of present-day 'gmo' is geopolitical ('terminator seed', etc.)
asciilifeform: a historical annoyance, for all forms of state, is that folks can, in general, grow food without asking it permission first.
asciilifeform: this is being fixed.
chetty: asciilifeform, I still dont care to eat 'unknown' stuff. THe way they go about creating those things is insanity
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3308 @ 0.00070555 = 2.334 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: !up usagi
chetty: <asciilifeform> a historical annoyance, for all forms of state, is that folks can, in general, grow food without asking it permission first.//+++++
usagi: Thanks, I was looking at monsanto the other day actually and according to them at least, they don't produce "terminator seeds". http://www.monsanto.com/newsviews/pages/terminator-seeds.aspx
chetty: <usagi> Thanks, I was looking at monsanto the other day actually and according to them at least, they don't produce "terminator seeds".// YET
asciilifeform: usagi: at present, they have a very lucrative business (in usa) of filing mass lawsuits against folks on whose property their product ends up, through whatever means. hence the unprofitability of 'terminator'
asciilifeform: if something gets in the way of this business model - in usa or elsewhere - terminator.
usagi: Rome once tried to raise taxes on farmers to something like 100%. Farmers responded by abandoning their fields.
asciilifeform: more recent example - ussr, collectivization
chetty: USA doesn't really have farmers in the fields anymore
asciilifeform: eventual goal, for the state, is an endgame where you can't grow your own potato in secret any more than you can produce your own 14nm cpu.
chetty: and the few left are getting run out with the lawsuits
TheNewDeal: chetty, they're called mexicans
TheNewDeal: pete_dushenski , from a book my father was reading, one does not need to fast for 24 hours to reap the benefits
asciilifeform: the folks pushing the 'urban' ('totalitarian', etc, pick favourite term) model of civilization cannot really ever let go of the dream of the total annihilation of the 'rural' model.
asciilifeform: in so far as food can still be produced via traditional low-tech methods, the dream remains a dream
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4642 @ 0.00070555 = 3.2752 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: !s trilema corn
thestringpuller: !s trilema porn
asciilifeform: why did the rulers of ussr, china, etc. push so aggressively for mechanized agriculture? to free the plow-pullers from their toil so they can watch opera?
jurov: <mircea_popescu> [09:28:56] mp lists derps, ... nobody wants to do series a anymoar. << but i was waiting with any advertisement till F.DERP gets online
TheNewDeal: ascii whats your point
TheNewDeal: why did they push for it then
asciilifeform: control.
asciilifeform: required reading: j.c. scott, 'the art of not being governed.'
TheNewDeal: oooo required
asciilifeform: well, technically not required. you can always decide to spend the next 20 years as a historian and walk the author's sources yourself, coming to his - or a different - conclusion.
asciilifeform: just as, if you want a glass of beer, no need to go to the pub - find some sand, salt, build a forge, having the glass, find some hops, barley... perhaps you will drink a superior beer in a few decades
asciilifeform: 'a decade in the lab could save you an afternoon in the library.'
asciilifeform: (actual poster in a former workplace of mine)
TheNewDeal: hahaha
chetty: you worked for N*A asciilifeform ?
asciilifeform: there is a third option, that i'll bring up for completeness because it appears to be very popular these days: piss in a paper cup, write 'beer' on it, drink up.
asciilifeform: chetty: National institutes of heAlth
chetty: guess gubermint posters are gubermint posters
asciilifeform: chetty: the poster is a favourite of librarians.
asciilifeform: perhaps BingoBoingo owns one.
TheNewDeal: gotta go find some coffee
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I don't have one yet...
TheNewDeal: didn't know bb was a librarian
chetty: !up usagi
assbot: The Coinbase Blog Coinbase Acquires Blockr.io, Welcomes New Staff
TheNewDeal: was this the first popular block explorer http://blockexplorer.com/ ?
assbot: Home - Bitcoin Block Explorer
TheNewDeal: as far as web pages go
pankkake: well shit
BingoBoingo: Coinbase better be unintentionally lulzy and let the ATC block explorer live...
asciilifeform: http://www.scribd.com/doc/236628112/Baltimore-District-Court-gun-ruling << mega-lol. u.s. federal judge quietly cancels the 'right to bear arms' thing by proclaiming that modern tech is not included.
assbot: Baltimore District Court gun ruling
asciilifeform wonders if the musket will come back into fashion
atcbot: [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 2.21 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 0.00 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 0 TH/s
mircea_popescu: good morning asset-eers.
atcbot: [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 2.26 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 0.00 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 0 TH/s
TheNewDeal: ;;marketbuy 1000
gribble: Error: "marketbuy" is not a valid command.
TheNewDeal: ;;market buy 1000
gribble: Bitstamp | A market order to buy 1000 bitcoins right now would take 480559.8422 USD and would take the last price up to 492.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 480.5598 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0276 seconds
mircea_popescu: o hey, it dropped moar ?
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 470.68, Best ask: 472.44, Bid-ask spread: 1.76000, Last trade: 470.67, 24 hour volume: 26807.72118225, 24 hour low: 442.0, 24 hour high: 510.0, 24 hour vwap: 499.397297578
TheNewDeal: dropped to 442 a few hours ago
TheNewDeal: really pissed, because I should have set an alarm and bought some coins
punkman: went to like $300 on btc-e
mircea_popescu: !up friend
mircea_popescu: so next time set an alarm lol.
TheNewDeal: holy shit, btc-e is still at 440
mircea_popescu: sounds like btc is nao copying mpex, i recall how pissed ppl were on the first and original sd dump
TheNewDeal: explain more
TheNewDeal: are you saying people are just mad because price is dropping?
mircea_popescu: just sorta joking with myself.
mircea_popescu: (there was this event, back in 2012 iirc, when someone sold like 1mn shares in shallow bids, resulting into a temporary 99.9% drop of the price)
TheNewDeal: for sd?
TheNewDeal: did it ever rebound to the same level?
mircea_popescu: within an hour ?
TheNewDeal: seriously why would you need that much bitcoin that fast
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller you gonna do letter parts next ? :D
TheNewDeal: there's my n
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal the common wisdom at the time was that someone butterfingered. either it was meant to be a buy rather than a sell, or too many zeroes or something
TheNewDeal: how many shares were outstanding?
mircea_popescu: mpex was new, plenty of finance people had just for the first time in their life had this new pympex weirdo device and key based trading and etc.
mircea_popescu: i dun even recall, maybe 100mn ?
TheNewDeal: gotcha, justr trying to get an idea of scale
TheNewDeal: ltc going strong at 3.65 / .00815
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.29818325 = 3.5782 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: this silver that can't even keep 1%... what silver is it!
chetty: copper?
TheNewDeal: what's with the stock bet precedent of "close at price" vs "trade at price" ?
mircea_popescu: chetty lol ltc is btc's copper ? what, so if all fails you can make yourself some nice ltc pipes ?
TheNewDeal: on bitbet, people always write up a bet about stocks like GOOG will close at above 1200 before jan 1
assbot: Almost 8,000 Navy chiefs face ax; sailors could advance
thestringpuller: ;;later tell X-Rob do you mine yourself? if so do you sell btc?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
TheNewDeal: mp did you ever do any dirty deals with usagi?
X-Rob: thestringpuller: Yes, and not very often
X-Rob: I normally just reinvest into hardware. Vicious circle etc.
TheNewDeal: what do you have now? did I see something like 13.6 TH?
Apocalyptic: <X-Rob> I normally just reinvest into hardware. // this strategy is bound to fail
X-Rob: Apocalyptic: Eeyup.
X-Rob: thestringpuller: about 15TH
X-Rob: wups
X-Rob: TheNewDeal: ^^
X-Rob: damn having two people starting with 'the'
X-Rob: Apocalyptic: It works in my, specific, limited circumstances. I have access to free power, and, I lease my hardware out. I also get to ride the wave of pump'n'dump coins, without actually any exposure.
X-Rob: EG, when BTCD emerged, I managed to earn 3BTC in 2 days.
X-Rob: that paid off all my avalon3 gear which I bought on a whim and then immediately regretted.
Apocalyptic: that's a different story, as you're not the only one bearing the cost
Apocalyptic: if you find people willing to rent hardware for a ridiculous price then you're good regardless
X-Rob: Apocalyptic: I normally work on ;;genrate + 10%, and I justify the +10% as 'I know what the fuck I'm doing, and you're going to get that hashrate pointed wherever you want it'
X-Rob: and a lot of the time I then have to help smaller pools configure their servers correctly
X-Rob: as a lot of them just leave the defaults. Which is fine for a slow, scrypt, pool. But terrible when you point TH of SHA at it.
X-Rob: But, if people are going to drive the prices up, then I"m going to take advantage of it
assbot: Pushing the soft tender flesh of a friend against the sharp rotating blades of the immutable machine. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
asciilifeform: aha just finished reading that.
mircea_popescu: the article sized comments will continue until it stops with the nitpicks
mircea_popescu: haha reread because well i edited it
mircea_popescu: (coupla paras at the end0
asciilifeform: lol neato
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal> on bitbet, people always write up a bet about stocks like GOOG will close at above 1200 before jan 1 << so it's like freedom, let them have fun.
assbot: Michael Brown shooting: Amnesty International sends team within US for first time as National Guard deployed - Americas - World - The Independent
mircea_popescu: <TheNewDeal> mp did you ever do any dirty deals with usagi? << many moons ago. http://trilema.com/2012/bitcoin-still-not-quite-ready-for-cdos/
assbot: Bitcoin, still not quite ready for CDOs pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: !up rake_boss
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo it's looking pretty gnarly huh.
chetty: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo it's looking pretty gnarly huh.// just needs a handbasket
mircea_popescu: as the compatriots said twenty years ago, Azi in Timisoara, Miine'n Ferguson, MO.
assbot: Azi in Timisoara, maine-n toata tara! - YouTube
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Yeah, the parody article's only flaw is there are no signs of Sino-Russian intervention yet. Merely observers.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo the thing is, both the chinese and the russians are run by people.
mircea_popescu: people understand it's fucking stupid to undertake administering a shithole.
BingoBoingo: This is true
rake_boss: hey mircea_popescu
rake_boss: the gribble authentication thing
rake_boss: is bullshit
rake_boss: why not just put +r
mircea_popescu: heck, even the bureaucracy understood it eventually. hence no iraq 51st state
mircea_popescu: rake_boss to oppress people.
TheNewDeal: O wow. that's kind of nasty
TheNewDeal: !down rake_boss
mircea_popescu: +r is based on this imbecilic theory that the content matters and the people do not.
mircea_popescu: the reality in the field is exactly opposite : i can dump porn pics all day and it'll stil be more important for bitcoin than tim swanson';s "books".
TheNewDeal: hahaha
mircea_popescu: !up shovel_boss
TheNewDeal: is anyone familiar with a terry tibs?
mircea_popescu: sounds like an old timer
shovel_boss: tities
shovel_boss: tities
shovel_boss: tities
shovel_boss: tities
thestringpuller: !down shovel_boss
mike_c: !down shovel_boss
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9600 @ 0.00070526 = 6.7705 BTC [-]
TheNewDeal: apparently he was quite angered after I downed him the first time
thestringpuller: just came back to spam
mircea_popescu: it's like "dudes if you don't make the world friendlier to stupid people i'll stab myself in the eye"
mircea_popescu: totally effectual.
TheNewDeal: today marks an important day. My first ignore
mircea_popescu: <Apocalyptic> <X-Rob> I normally just reinvest into hardware. // this strategy is bound to fail << i think he pretty much said he enjoys the tinkering aspect. so from his pov it's perfect, put some money in, letting it run itself out. bitcoin, the very complex and realistic online mmorpg/mud
X-Rob: Heh. That's somewhat accurate
X-Rob: I've probably spent about 10k over the years on video cards, power supplies, etc. I haven't put any dollars into it in over 18 months (since ASICs became The One True Way(tm), basically).
X-Rob: And I have fun.
mircea_popescu: people here have shit like i dunno, laser cutters all over their kitchen. so... you're in good company
mircea_popescu: buncha compulsive hoarders.
assbot: Twitter / ktbenner: @nitashatiku black people locking ...
TheNewDeal: ;;seen davout
gribble: davout was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 5 days, 8 hours, 10 minutes, and 55 seconds ago: <davout> ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-08-2014#791960 <<< interesting
danielpbarron: !up stander
assbot: xanthyos +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
mircea_popescu: !up xanthyos
xanthyos: thanks
xanthyos: stander: get in the WoT, you have 3 people who are waiting to give you postive rating!
mircea_popescu: who is he ?
xanthyos: an associate of danielpbarron and mine
danielpbarron: found him on localbitcoins dealing in the town over from me
xanthyos: completely reputable individual who refuses to wot or use a real irc client
mircea_popescu: lol but why
punkman: heh >> dustintheweb: Story time: I just bought 0.2 from a Lamassu ATM. It timed out in mid process w/out ever updating the bitchain. I about crapped my pants, but the business owner opened the box for me, got my money out, then we tried it again until it worked.
mircea_popescu: put it on r/buttcoin
xanthyos: punkman: he spoke to me just a couple hours ago planning to try the lamassu
xanthyos: glad i wasn't the test case
punkman: and at 10% premium
mircea_popescu: sad that the story fails to include a "he mumbled god dangit while kicking the machine a couple of times"
mircea_popescu: "then when it finally went through his face light up "you just gotta know how to work these treknologies"
mircea_popescu: !up thExit
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21300 @ 0.00070632 = 15.0446 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: The Silky, Milky, Totally Strange Saga of the Spider Goat - Modern Farmer
pete_dushenski: silk+goat+canadian research = darpa toy
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: this animal appears as a minor character in m. atwood's book 'oryx and crake', where it is called 'spoat/gider'
pete_dushenski: lol go figure
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: have you read much atwood?
asciilifeform: not really the sensational chimera the article suggests. ordinary goat that secretes a usefully spidersilky protein in the milk.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: just the fun ones
pete_dushenski: heh cool
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.298 = 0.596 BTC [+]
pete_dushenski: i've got year of the flood on my reading list
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: the last (third) book's been out for ages, too.
TheNewDeal: pete_dushenski was hoping they would mention Island of Dr. Moreua, just finished that one up
pete_dushenski: TheNewDeal: they?
TheNewDeal: spidergoat article
pete_dushenski: lol o ok
TheNewDeal: best comment on the article "I want a spider goat condom, that I can pass down to my male grand child."
pete_dushenski: so why exclude the female grandchild?
pete_dushenski: like she's not involved in the contraceptive process
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20850 @ 0.00070422 = 14.683 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1252 @ 0.00070291 = 0.88 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: TheNewDeal is a master at vivisecting animals into humans
thestringpuller: humanoids*
TheNewDeal: do i smell a new otc rating coming?
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski good point actually.
mircea_popescu: but perhaps the implication is that it'd be icky to use another man's spider web condom
mircea_popescu: more so for the other man part than for the spider web part, god knows how that works.
TheNewDeal: do you think the females would enjoy a reused condom?
pete_dushenski: using another man's condom is like using another man's mouth to prechew your food before its shoved down your feeding tube
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal well maybe the implication is you only used it on their best friends.
mircea_popescu: (more likle, the implication is you're from the us, and thus mate once for a lyftyme)
fluffypony: so do we know if the ATC block exporer is going to be culled or not?
TheNewDeal: low blow
fluffypony: also fuck Coinbase, again, they irritate mea
mircea_popescu: culled ?
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: the blockr one
mircea_popescu: wha do you mean by culled
mircea_popescu: the noun i get, the verb i dont.
mike_c: what noun? cull is a verb.
assbot: culled - definition of culled by The Free Dictionary
assbot: Culling - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
mircea_popescu: this is progressing nicely.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony are you aiming to ask "will blockr.io be shut down integrally or will the atc part somehow magically survive" or do you aim to ask "will atc implement blockchain culling like the btc does"
fluffypony: neither
fluffypony: I mean "will blockr.io stop support ATC, thus culling it from the list of coins for which it provides blockchain explorers"
mike_c: fluffypony: blog post indicated the whole thing is going away.
mircea_popescu: not afaik ?
mike_c: "Blockr.io will continue to operate as usual for now"... and then it will go away.
Apocalyptic: mike_c, is it ?
mike_c: that's how i read it.
fluffypony: I agree - "Blockr.io will continue to operate as usual for now as Sašo and Samo transition to their work at Coinbase."
fluffypony: "as they transition" is transitory
TheNewDeal: isnt' atc stalling at the moment?
mike_c: %d
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 180012.80 in 1916 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -90.42
fluffypony: LTC dropped 20% today, Darkcoin is the major loser
fluffypony: 36% drop in 24 hours
mircea_popescu: i dun think atc ever dropped two digits sort of shit.
TheNewDeal: I'm just talking about the mining
[]bot: Bet placed: 2 BTC for Yes on "Nasdaq to close at over $4500 in 2014" http://bitbet.us/bet/966/ Odds: 90(Y):10(N) by coin, 86(Y):14(N) by weight. Total bet: 2.64962778 BTC. Current weight: 62,518.
atcbot: [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 2.65 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 0.00 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.13 TH/s
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu> i dun think atc ever dropped two digits sort of shit. << You forget before the civilized times ATC would trade at ~500 and 100 satoshis in the same hour
mircea_popescu: pre-bb atc ? kay :p
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 180012.80 in 1916 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -90.42
atcbot: [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 2.71 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 0.00 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.13 TH/s
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal well it's got 1.7th perm from now on, plus whatever other people throw at it, so im guessing a 5 to 10 th rate going forward is probably its level
TheNewDeal: so a 51% attack right now would be how many TH?
mircea_popescu: well, it'd also need to have a transaction.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Not pre-me, but pre-marketmaking
mircea_popescu: i don't think there's been a block with a transaction in it since may.
mircea_popescu: this because you know, merchant adoption is so important for a coin and all that.
assbot: BitBet - BTC to rally to $4000 before July 2015 :: 0.1 B (1%) on Yes, 8.08 B (99%) on No | closing in 9 months 2 weeks | weight: 99`856 (100`000 to 2`000)
mircea_popescu: 80 to 1 huh.
TheNewDeal: not bad odds
TheNewDeal: July 2015 is a long ways away
TheNewDeal: ;;ident anduck
gribble: Nick 'anduck', with hostmask 'Anduck!~anduck@unaffiliated/anduck', is identified as user 'Anduck', with GPG key id 5F81CCEC5886D61E, key fingerprint CA792C93C799D2C83A69BCE65F81CCEC5886D61E, and bitcoin address 1Anduck6bsXBXH7fPHzePJSXdC9AEsRmt4
Anduck: sup TheNewDeal?
TheNewDeal: anduck what business did you do with usagi?
Anduck: why?
TheNewDeal: just saw your otc rating on him
Anduck: ;;rated usagi
TheNewDeal: he came in here yesterday for whatever reason
gribble: You rated user usagi on Tue Jul 3 07:45:25 2012, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: good business, thanks =).
Anduck: it was with his CPA business
mircea_popescu: !up pharesim
TheNewDeal: that was him insuring against a default of glbse?
Anduck: yes
mircea_popescu: it was a default of pirate wasn't it ?
Anduck: no, glbse
mircea_popescu: hm. maybe pirate was earlier, there were a bunch
TheNewDeal: did he insurance against multiple parties with the same CPA?
TheNewDeal: insure*
Anduck: dunno
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5864 @ 0.00070677 = 4.1445 BTC [+]
TheNewDeal: But on Aug 23rd says to CPA investors:
TheNewDeal: "In the event of a full pirate default, NYAN.C will loose out, and CPA holds NYAN which holds NYAN.C. Then we have contracts on the outside as well. All in all CPA will remain very solvent, it may lose 20% of it's value in a full default. But we stands just as ready to gain 20% if pirate doesn't default." - it will remain very solvent
assbot: Usagi: falsifying NAVs, manipulating share prices and misleading investors.
TheNewDeal: perhaps I'm reading this wrong
TheNewDeal: kakobrekla are you in the house?
kakobrekla: sorta
TheNewDeal: you got a payout from usagi at one point, amiright?
TheNewDeal: it was less than what you had bargained for, like 900 off of 1100?
kakobrekla: ;;rated usagi
gribble: You rated user usagi on Tue Apr 15 13:37:58 2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: Had a 1140 btc contract with usagi which entitled me to said amount on 2012-08-26. The final payment was done 2013-04-27, totaling 995 btc. The sum was 145 btc short but I agreed to let it slide because of distress on the market of the underlying 'securities' and rapid btc market (1 more message)
ben_vulpes: ;;more
gribble: expire in 10 minutes.
TheNewDeal: what was the contract insurange against? default by _____ ?
kakobrekla: the ponzi
TheNewDeal: pirate or nefario?
kakobrekla: arrrgh!
TheNewDeal: it was pirate
TheNewDeal: usagi told me it was paying out on a glbse default
TheNewDeal: why the hell would anyone insure against a default on pirate?
kakobrekla: he had it listed there
TheNewDeal: on glbse?
kakobrekla: iirc yea
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal you're new here :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8250 @ 0.00070679 = 5.831 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: plenty of people ACTUALLY believed a) pirate is a bright ceo etc
mircea_popescu: and b) his delinquent debt holds value.
TheNewDeal: wasn't usagi giving insurance though at a VERY late point in the pirate ship?
mircea_popescu: i know it looks impossible in retrospect, but it was the fact at the time.
mircea_popescu: consider the situaiton where a bunch of people actually believed the earth is flat at some point
mircea_popescu: well, his relevancy came at a very late point. he had been making noises for a long time, but nobdy paid attention for an equally long time.
TheNewDeal: usagi?
TheNewDeal: god damn english language and it's ambiguous pronouns
TheNewDeal: and it's similuar looking contractions
mircea_popescu: yes usagi.
TheNewDeal: he told me he is still making payments to people to this date... I think it was for bmf ?
mircea_popescu: part of the problem is that the guy run his affairs cca 2012 as if they were fantasy baseball. buncha names/identities with no substantial business existence or raison d'etre, making the thing difficult to remember or sanely structure historically.
mircea_popescu: they all traded with each other, often on bizarre terms, which'd make any judge simply lump everything together in disregard of any veils.
asciilifeform: wait! same usagi to whom someone dedicated a voicing of my crashing bird film ?
TheNewDeal: crashing bird film should receive a 91% at minimum on rotten tomatoes
assbot: The Lilac Breasted Usagi Bird - YouTube
TheNewDeal: I'm just trying to piece usagi's relevancy in the mix
fluffypony: I'm still waiting for someone to review my film
TheNewDeal: was he a small time player in the scale of the glbse flop?
TheNewDeal: ooooh my
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16129 @ 0.00070698 = 11.4029 BTC [+]
fluffypony: I linked that video to him in -otc the other day
fluffypony: [2014-08-17T17:03:00+0200] <+fluffypony> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beA99BVTFJ0
assbot: The Lilac Breasted Usagi Bird - YouTube
fluffypony: [2014-08-17T17:03:50+0200] <usagi> Fluffypony are you aware that I have actually been offered business as a result of you targeting me?
fluffypony: [2014-08-17T17:04:11+0200] <usagi> Look at my WOT brother. The wot itself is telling you how transpareently obvious you are
TheNewDeal: hadn't watched it with the voiceover yet
TheNewDeal: 3-5 times better
fluffypony: TheNewDeal: some dude on Fiverr, I wrote the script and it cost me a whole $5 :-P
TheNewDeal: always thought G was soft though
asciilifeform was fully immune to pirate, usagi (?), all the other early birds of btc scamdom - how? by having nothing for them to snarf.
asciilifeform owns shirt on his back
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform prolly.,
fluffypony: TheNewDeal: I think the hard G sounds better if it's describing a bird :-P
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal he was a small, very vocal, very entertaining player.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony you may have the best roi of all the hollywood majors.
fluffypony: hah hah
TheNewDeal: what was most annoying was he PMed me after I spoke with him here. Over the next hour or so he tried to convince me of his smashing businesses successes, and the danger of healthy skepticism
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal> what was most annoying was he PMed me after I spoke with him here. Over the next hour or so he tried to convince me of his smashing businesses successes, and the danger of healthy skepticism << This is the reason for his neg rating.
mircea_popescu: i duinno that he did ever make any money, i highyl doubt it. he did go to some personal trouble to try and cover for the various potholes he made, at some point even selling (or claiming to ?) his guitar
mircea_popescu: he did also sort-of maintain employment in the interval, so w/e.
TheNewDeal: claimed he was a teacher
TheNewDeal: kind of scared me
mircea_popescu: well yeah but of like english
mircea_popescu: not business.
mircea_popescu: anyway, gtg and catch yall laters!
TheNewDeal: thanks for the history lesson
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28753 @ 0.00070607 = 20.3016 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5250 @ 0.00070839 = 3.719 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Oh, you blog again nao?
jurov: that was more like a tweet
assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2GWNMAG.txt )
BingoBoingo: jurov: Yeah
ben_vulpes: <jurov> that was more like a tweet << playing with the format a bit, yeah. 140 characters ain't enough, but less than 200 words can be fine too.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 300 @ 0.00299399 = 0.8982 BTC [+] {2}
mike_c: !t h hash
assbot: [HAVELOCK:HASH] 1D: 0.02200000 / 0.022 / 0.02200000 (8 shares, 0.17600000 BTC), 7D: 0.02200000 / 0.022 / 0.02200000 (100 shares, 2.20000000 BTC), 30D: 0.02200000 / 0.022 / 0.02200000 (544 shares, 11.96800000 BTC)
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell Mexual http://piratrad.io/
assbot: piratradio
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell Vexual http://piratrad.io/
assbot: piratradio
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell muXne http://piratrad.io/
assbot: piratradio
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes: why do i even bother...
BingoBoingo: benkay: because this makes stuff so much easier
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 509 @ 0.00125093 = 0.6367 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1580 @ 0.00125 = 1.975 BTC [-]
mike_c: benkay: nice work on the raw login! thx.
HeySteve: I have updated my game thread if anyone feels like splashing out with some testnet coins
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell mike_c all for you baby. took two hours as i refactored the whole way login works. let me know if stupid shit happens around logins.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
kakobrekla: but did you write tests ??
ben_vulpes: piles.
ben_vulpes: U TROLL
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
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mod6: OMFG I DID IT!
mod6: after crafting the leaky flask, im like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8F55olo6F94
assbot: Happy Gilmore Doing the Bull Dance - Feeling The Flow - Working it. - YouTube
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12561 @ 0.00070511 = 8.8569 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4350 @ 0.00070528 = 3.068 BTC [+]
ben_vulpes: its the simple things in life
Duffer1: ;;seen dexX7
gribble: dexX7 was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 9 weeks, 5 days, 6 hours, 23 minutes, and 33 seconds ago: <dexX7> i think i can up myself
assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0GRV484.txt )
ben_vulpes: i think vexual has a higher bash score than i
ben_vulpes: i'm not even as funny as a markov chain
BingoBoingo: Vexual is often bashable, often not for his own uttering but for those of others that surround his.
ben_vulpes: it's all in the context
decimation: mircea_popescu: minor nitpick - I don't think USG employees get dental actually: http://www.benefits.gov/benefits/benefit-details/4587 "Dental and Vision benefits are available to eligible Federal and Postal employees, retirees, and their eligible family members on an enrollee-pay-all basis."
assbot: Benefits.gov - Federal Employee Dental and Vision Insurance Program (FEDVIP)
RagnarDanneskjol: its still highly subsidized
decimation: I think health benefits are, but dental and vision are not
decimation: although I think they pay pre-tax money
decimation: I guess if by "subsidized" you mean "group purchase price" then yeah
RagnarDanneskjol: i don't know for certain, just have to use all these benefits comparison resources for work and it appears dental/vision is always heavily discounted for gummint folk. and yes, they get the pretax bennies too
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14301 @ 0.00070814 = 10.1271 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: u.s. civil service folks get benefits package similar to that in any large firm
asciilifeform: proper employees, that is. contractors get zip.
ben_vulpes: plus motherland satisderption
decimation: asciilifeform: contractors get what their employers offer; generally "getting zip" means buy insurance on your own dime
asciilifeform: decimation: 'insurance on your own dime' generally means something like zip - no group discount
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah that used to be true but these days with obamacare it might be about the same as everyone else, depending on the details
asciilifeform: 'contractor' here means actual contractor, vs. proper full time employees of private firms who bid on federal contracts
decimation: my understanding is that usg pretends that 'contractors' are replacable parts, billable hours are based on 'years of experience and education'
asciilifeform: even today, buying the kind of insurance available for a token fee to civil service folks or employees of large concerns - costs 1-2k usd / month if you do it 'as a human'
decimation: yeah I would buy that. traditionally 'contractors' lard their billable rates to compensate for this burden
asciilifeform: most of the contractors are hired for a fixed salary, agreed on before-hand, as if they were normal employees
assbot: Facebooks route to becoming a reassurance machine | Ars Technica
asciilifeform: (rather than paid 'piecework', like the customary meaning of 'contractor' in, e.g., the construction trades)
decimation: well, it probably depends on the 'traditional business culture' of the particular branch of government the contractor 'agrees' with
decimation: seems like every piece of usg does things differently
asciilifeform is only familiar with the particular bureaucracy where he once worked
decimation: asciilifeform: what do you use to sort and store your electronics parts? standard little plastic bins?
asciilifeform did ~3 yrs of this type of contracting. a real laugh. didn't even have paid time off.
asciilifeform: decimation: generally, the containers they ship in.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i didn't make this bedrock, i just drill through it
decimation: I suspect most actual work at usg is done by contractors anyway
ben_vulpes: decimation: holds true for lotsa places
TheNewDeal: quite true
decimation: if they work for less than a 'living wage', then they are essentially donating their life to usg
decimation: same goes to employees, etc
asciilifeform: on account of the mundane fact that - they are cheaper.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: cheaper on a dollars/shit done metric maybe - not dollars/hr
asciilifeform: and, unlike many civil service posts, are 'fired at will'
decimation: kinda like you can only rent a miner for more than its expected bitcoin mining return, I suspect most 'employees' of usg work for less than a 'living wage'
decimation: ulterior motives abound, etc
asciilifeform: other little 'secret' - with the exception of 'secret' agencies, a contractor need not be a u.s. citizen.
asciilifeform: of the roughly two dozen staff in my lab, there were, i think, at most two u.s. born folks at any given time.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.00070629 = 3.037 BTC [-]
ben_vulpes: (unrelated)
asciilifeform isn't sure where the notion of 'usg pays starvation wages' comes from.
asciilifeform: perhaps from academics who escape from usg research houses to private firms
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6185 @ 0.00118124 = 7.306 BTC [-] {12}
asciilifeform: but if you compare folks carrying on in exactly the same profession, the pay is similar
mike_c: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 316366 | Current Difficulty: 1.9729645940577133E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 316511 | Next Difficulty In: 145 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 17 hours, 13 minutes, and 39 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 23619550874.4 | Estimated Percent Change: 19.71604
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19063 @ 0.00070563 = 13.4514 BTC [-] {2}
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 188247.82 in 1907 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -89.98
mike_c: ;;calc 0.0236 * 1.1 * 1.1
gribble: 0.028556
asciilifeform: and the question of what precisely a 'living wage' might be, in bezzleworld, is a rather tricky one.
asciilifeform: depends, i suppose, on what you'd call 'living.'
mike_c: 23.6 * (1.1**9)
mike_c: ;;calc 23.6 * (1.1**9)
gribble: 55.6475655076
assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin difficulty >= 72B on or before Christmas :: 2.29 B (30%) on Yes, 5.46 B (70%) on No | closing in 3 months 1 week| weight: 69`921 (100`000 to 2`000)
decimation: asciilifeform: I think it's true that whatever you define "living wage" in the bezzle-world, the number has been steadying going up over the years
asciilifeform doesn't know who could possibly disagree with this
decimation: part of the problem with usg employee wages is that congress has held them fixed for several years now I think
assbot: Will Feds Get a Pay Raise in 2014? : FedSmith.com
decimation: re: nsa cryptography: http://aviationweek.com/awin/faulty-aehf-slow-trajectory-orbit "It also experienced cost overruns and is late because of problems with unreliable parts that needed changing out and delays developing cryptographic keys from the National Security Agency. "
assbot: Faulty AEHF On Slow Trajectory To Orbit | AWIN content from Aviation Week
decimation: details unspecified
assbot: Replacing The General Schedule: Some Facts : FedSmith.com
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11550 @ 0.00070815 = 8.1791 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9700 @ 0.00070597 = 6.8479 BTC [-]
decimation: duh - "The bottom line is that we have absolutely no idea if pay for Federal employees is consistent with private sector pay for a given type of job in a given location.The data is not there and it may not serve the interests of politicians to actually find out what the truth is.f"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8747 @ 0.00070817 = 6.1944 BTC [+]
TheNewDeal: does anyone know of a good bitcoin network graph type generator
TheNewDeal: maybe like a wget of bitcoin addresses / transactions?
mike_c: like a chain of blocks containing addresses & transaction data?
TheNewDeal: too lazy
TheNewDeal: like a visual map
mike_c: blockchain.info has a clickable thing ifyou're looking follow certain txs
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39492 @ 0.00070831 = 27.9726 BTC [+] {4}
TheNewDeal: how does their taint analysis work? maybe that's something kind of like what I'm looking for. Some 2nd and 3rd level addresses that have bumped into contact with a particular address
BingoBoingo: Taint analysis doesn't work
mike_c: well, that's what it is.
mike_c: BingoBoingo: doesn't work like is inaccurate? or just that it's a bad idea to begin with.
TheNewDeal: please do expalin bb. I've read the trilema article before
BingoBoingo: It seems like a horribly ineffective way to track ownership of coins or their movement.
TheNewDeal: because?
TheNewDeal: I'm naive here - not sure how blockchain.info runs their taint
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: Because of simply the wide variety of shit that gets done with coins.
TheNewDeal: there was an article posted here a while back (it's in the lawgs). It was 2 dudes, one of them for sure had an indian last name
TheNewDeal: they draw a map of transactions in it, and you can see a bunch of silk road addresses off on the side
TheNewDeal: they also claimed to have followed a few large addresses that attempted to bunch and split their coins (not necessarily mix)
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: Taint analysis doesn't work << except when it does
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Sure
asciilifeform: if all you want to know is 'did the sr coins move' etc.
asciilifeform is still waiting for the first leak from the u.s. dept. of wherever-the-stoolie-reports-from-btc-exchanges go.
asciilifeform: blind 'taint' analysis is one thing, a list of 1mil names and deposit addrs is quite another.
BingoBoingo: With the slightest bit of personal awareness of your own addresses though, plausible deniability becomes feasible.
asciilifeform: when did plausible deniability release anyone from gasenwagen?
asciilifeform: only objective re: the wagen - don't get in.
asciilifeform: weakest link in btc apparatus is still - the owner. esp. if he's hanging upside-down, waiting for the next whack with a thick telephone book.
asciilifeform: even the dumbest bureaucrat presumably understands this.
asciilifeform: the only possible pill against this situation is - to not end up in it.
asciilifeform like probably everyone else, contemplated the mathematical curio of a 'panic key' that irreversibly destroys coin (in a hypothetical 'btc 2.0' apparatus, naturally)
asciilifeform: essential attribute of such being that it cannot be determined to be what it is other than by being actually used in a broadcasted transaction.
asciilifeform: implementation - an exercise for alert reader.
decimation: asciilifeform: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/10173645/Kremlin-returns-to-typewriters-to-avoid-computer-leaks.html << Russian bureaucrats know it is easier to squeeze humans than control bits
assbot: Kremlin returns to typewriters to avoid computer leaks - Telegraph
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5211 @ 0.00070749 = 3.6867 BTC [-]
TheNewDeal: methinks your yield is going a lot higher this month http://bitbet.us/bet/786/bitcoin-to-surpass-berkshire-as-an-investment/
assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment :: 1121.08 B (86%) on Yes, 189.09 B (14%) on No | closing in 5 months 4 weeks | weight: 53`621 (100`000 to 1)
asciilifeform: decimation: typewriters are trivially snooped via ordinary acoustic bug.
asciilifeform: (don't believe? try it yourself. each key has a detectably-different sound.)
asciilifeform: given the small quantities of the machines bought, it seems likely that each will inhabit a separate room. precisely the best circumstances for such a bug.
decimation: yeah I believe. every security decision is full of trade-offs
asciilifeform: what we're seeing is not love of the typewriter, but a desperate flight from wintel.
asciilifeform: like the doomed office plankton jumping from a burning skyscraper, they don't much care where they land.
assbot: After a 10-year Linux migration, Munich considers switching back to Windows and Office | ZDNet
decimation: the mind reels. one hope is that as the 14-nm process seems to dribble production, the world will have time to step back and actually do something useful with the silicon
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