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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 322 @ 0.00185138 = 0.5961 BTC [-] {2}
ben_vulpes: floats and longs and dates and times and ints and bigints and omg i had no idea computers were insane
ben_vulpes: but i guess it makes sense
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 299 @ 0.001851 = 0.5534 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.27599684 = 1.104 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 36 @ 0.01430999 = 0.5152 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.276 = 2.208 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ====insane
ben_vulpes: i always thought numbers came in a select set of logical groups
ben_vulpes: irrational
ben_vulpes: imaginary
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42728 @ 0.00073197 = 31.2756 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: you're suffering from tim's mental feebleness.
mircea_popescu: the numbers are not the problem. their representation is. much like "ideas" come in sets of logical groups
mircea_popescu: except random derps don't have ideas, tehy have expressions of what they think are ideas.
mircea_popescu: totally different thing.
mircea_popescu: http://www.thecoinsman.com/2014/08/bitcoin/inside-chinese-bitcoin-mine/ << pretty cool article. maybe someone tell the guy to come by ?
assbot: Inside a Chinese Bitcoin Mine | The CoinsmanThe Coinsman
punkman: oh wow TimSwanson and his DATA
mircea_popescu: punkman six hours in, log is magically 15k lines long.
punkman: yeah fuck me
punkman: mircea_popescu: I like how he complains about ad hominem and spits them out every few lines
punkman: "WHAT IS THIS ROMANIAN CULT IN A CAVE"
mircea_popescu: the thing with people is that most of them are better served by following than leading. this is manifested by an inability to adhere to a self-selected set of rules. so, you know, he wants to roll with the punches.
mircea_popescu: gotta show me i'm not the only one that can be an asshole!
mircea_popescu: there's a nice quote in that 60s scofield movie on just this topic :
mircea_popescu: The Duke of Norfolk: Oh confound all this. I'm not a scholar, I don't know whether the marriage was lawful or not but dammit, Thomas, look at these names! Why can't you do as I did and come with us, for fellowship!
mircea_popescu: Sir Thomas More: And when we die, and you are sent to heaven for doing your conscience, and I am sent to hell for not doing mine, will you come with me, for fellowship?
ben_vulpes: ;;gettrust gavinandresen
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user ben_vulpes to user gavinandresen: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=ben_vulpes&dest=gavinandresen | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=gavinandresen | Rated since: Mon Mar 28 12:32:28 2011
assbot: Add support for watch-only addresses by sipa Pull Request #2861 bitcoin/bitcoin GitHub
gribble: Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.
ben_vulpes: ;;eauth ben_vulpes
gribble: Request successful for user ben_vulpes, hostmask ben_vulpes!~user@unaffiliated/benkay. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/2AFA1A9FD2D031DA
ben_vulpes: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:5a4d800574af8164a4e5034d6639538d5426c4937ac9c827e2fd40a7
gribble: You are now authenticated for user ben_vulpes with key 2AFA1A9FD2D031DA
assbot: Add support for watch-only addresses by sipa Pull Request #2861 bitcoin/bitcoin GitHub
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of -1 for user gavinandresen has been recorded.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes what am i missing here ?
ben_vulpes: "Could you just run with an always-encrypted wallet instead, and if not, why not?"
ben_vulpes: ex-CUSE me?
ben_vulpes: this guy helped shut watch-only wallets and addresses out of the core client, while merging in heartbleed.
ben_vulpes: but someone making comments like that cannot be trusted with bitcoin code review.
ben_vulpes: i'd be *thrilled* to hear the counterpoint.
mircea_popescu: i don't get it. you can already run watch-only addresses.
mircea_popescu: i can definitely watch yours.
mircea_popescu: what's at stake ?!
dignork: ben_vulpes: well, his proper answer would be: here is x-lines of python code, that will overwrite privkey with 0's in your wallet, now load it as read-only
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: how are you doing watch only addresses?
mircea_popescu: you can grep the blockchain for chrissakes if nothing else.
mircea_popescu: seems to me an incredibly minor point
mircea_popescu: you can insert any address you want in your wallet. sure, you won't have the privkey to sign with it. so ?
dignork: mircea_popescu: it need to be marked as encrypted, otherwise bitcoind might do stupid things
assbot: Robin Williams cheerleading for the Denver Broncos, 1980 http://t.co/CxMfCl6uIs
ben_vulpes: the thing was ready. now i need to go load the wallet.dat format into my brain.
mircea_popescu: or you can just merge yourself and compile.
mircea_popescu: any way you turn it this is minor kitchenwork.
punkman: I am subjecting myself to Swanson's book
punkman: "as detailed in chapter 9, having 100% full reserve  is not a feature, it is a bug that holds and prevents the network from reproducing or creating an actual banking system."
mircea_popescu: punkman let me know if you get to something noteworthy.
ben_vulpes: *shrug*
ben_vulpes: i'd wished to put the time to better use.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes o you trying to have a watcher in place ?
ben_vulpes: yeah.
punkman: "the security of digitized fiat currencies are arguably just as secure (via cryptography) as cryptocurrencies such as bitcoin; no one steals money off Fedwire or Visa’s system, it is the edges of the network that are the most vulnerable"
punkman: I think these two sum up his preconceptions
mircea_popescu: i doubt the ideological needs of pierce's masters can so readily be summed up.
mircea_popescu: one needs a whole lot of various crap to keep the fiat boat afloat.
assbot: Malware Alert: Is 'BadBIOS' Rootkit Jumping Air Gaps?
pete_dushenski: "The weirdest part is how it uses ultrasonic sound to jump air gaps," - Schneier
pete_dushenski: "the odd behavior affected not just Macs but also Windows and Linux systems, and only ceased when the microphone, external speaker, and speaker attached to the motherboard were removed."
punkman: wasn't that one debunked
pete_dushenski: quite possibly
pete_dushenski: first i've heard of it
punkman: !s badbios
pete_dushenski: article is over a year ols
assbot: #BadBios, aka #BadlyDoneDamageControl pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
pete_dushenski: also, that's quite the new header on trilema
pete_dushenski: it's the headiest header i ever did see
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski they keep rewarming this stale voodoo.
pete_dushenski: disinfo can be just as sticky, if not stickier, than info
mircea_popescu: guy that made the first pwn2own thing went nuts making insane claims. exactly what impotent bureaucracies trying to pass for dangerous spooks would like to hear.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski got teeth ? :D
pete_dushenski: and only one cavity!
pete_dushenski: that is, filling
RagnarDanneskjol: +1 - new header is epic
mircea_popescu: it;'s really quite old. about amonth or so apart from the world famous horseback one.
RagnarDanneskjol: horseback still my fav - was that photoshopped or really @ pyramids?
RagnarDanneskjol: such good framing
RagnarDanneskjol: looks fake
mircea_popescu: yes it was at teh pyramids.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.2672177 = 0.5344 BTC [-]
assbot: If /hashtag/bitcoin?src=hash is antifragile, as is often claimed, why are many of its holders so virulently adverse to competition?
pete_dushenski: i should dig up my old photos from giza
pete_dushenski: the best one has my brother and i playing golf in the shadow of the pyramids
pete_dushenski: mina house golf course iirc
mircea_popescu: you can tell her we're just virulently adverse to unselfaware idiocy
punkman: well I've been looking for all that data in the book but I only found copy-pasted charts of dubious provenance and footnote links of dubious provenance. Not even a single link to organofcorti.
pete_dushenski: ^who is nothing like leah and everything like a civilized woman enjoying cairo in style
mircea_popescu: punkman so this is yet another case of "mp makes definite statements on no basis ; later they turn out to be true." ?
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: just like "the govs are mining!"
mircea_popescu: it sucks being such a religious leader all the god damned time.
mod6: haha
punkman: aha
mircea_popescu: (this is what i'm going to call people that are right from now on. if leah derpman can make nonsensical statement then chase it with "saying it doesn't make it so" @ som eunfortunate soul that tried to point out she's talking out her butt, why can't i!)
punkman: you know what's really annoying? clicking on a footnote, jumping to end of book, then not being able to go back to the footnote reference
punkman: so hey guys, if you write a book, footnotes go at the end of each page
mircea_popescu: nah you just need to insert a return symbol.
mircea_popescu: most nonretarded noting systems do this by default.
mod6: %d
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 469547.33 Est. Next Diff: 1761109.84 in 175 blocks (#44352) Est. % Change: 275.07
mircea_popescu: 1.7mn ? srsly ?!
atcbot: [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 0.09 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 7440.49 GH/s
mod6: yeah
mod6: that thing always has reported in gh/s on its website so I just use that.
mod6: the atc gotw is about to come to a screeching halt. lol
mircea_popescu: this is a high hash mark isnt it
mod6: it might be, ya
mircea_popescu: Humans are highly adaptive creatures and incredibly ingenious when it comes to modifying our behavior in the face of externally or internally applied pressure and circumstance. ‘Normal’ is a relative term, not some static measurement, and both the body and mind quickly becomes accustomed to the ‘new’ normal when choices appear to be limited and the herd moves to a new grazing field. But this doesn’t mean the
mircea_popescu: results of social pressures and generational conditioning are dictated by human nature or that human nature guides human behavior under these extraordinarily distorted circumstances.
mircea_popescu: fucking hell these idiots.
mircea_popescu: why doesn't it mean ? cuz author says so ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 215 @ 0.00432635 = 0.9302 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: VIX vs. Gold: The ultimate battle between fear & greed | Resource Investor
RagnarDanneskjol: d was this "
RagnarDanneskjol: only interesting bit i found was this:
RagnarDanneskjol: Something within the composition of the relationship between gold and VIX has changed in this timeframe. For the past two years, it has been a largely negative correlated relationship amassing around -0.4 to -0.3. However, come summer of 2013, there has been a dramatic reversal of this trend, pushing it into unprecedented territories of a positive correlation upwards of +0.5. The large swings following summer of 2013
RagnarDanneskjol: before leveling off in April could be noise, or the effects of this relationship changing.
RagnarDanneskjol: i thought the same thing, chart doesnt support anything
mircea_popescu: only a mind that never played with statistics can think there's something in there.
mircea_popescu: make two random series, fit them, you'll get something more or less like that
mircea_popescu: wild swings up and down
RagnarDanneskjol: says guy is an ""analyst""" here: https://www.digitaltangibletrust.com/
assbot: Welcome to DigitalTangible
RagnarDanneskjol: rolls eyes
mircea_popescu: maybe he's an analyst as opposed to a cunning linguist.
assbot: CunninLynguists - "Enemies With Benefits" featuring Tonedeff - YouTube
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3387 @ 0.00072833 = 2.4669 BTC [-]
jurov: !t m f.mpif
assbot: [MPEX:F.MPIF] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00021999 / 0.00021999 / 0.00022 (1500 shares, 0.33 BTC), 30D: 0.00019 / 0.00020702 / 0.00022 (93120 shares, 19.28 BTC)
kyuupichan: Altcoin space undergoing something of a collapse
xmj: RagnarDanneskjol: like your name, heh
pankkake: oooh ltc finaly under 0.01. nice
kyuupichan: pankkake: Likely for good this time
RagnarDanneskjol: thanks - I am a privateer, not a pirate
RagnarDanneskjol: i fought a hard battle to get it corrected in wikipedia but gave up. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Atlas_Shrugged_characters#Ragnar_Danneskj.C3.B6ld
assbot: List of Atlas Shrugged characters - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
pankkake: what do you mean corrected?
assbot: Ragnar Danneskjld - Conservapedia
RagnarDanneskjol: I mean edited it then they change it back
pankkake: but what correction? also lol conservapedia
RagnarDanneskjol: in wiki It calls him a pirate
mircea_popescu: <kyuupichan> pankkake: Likely for good this time << prolly.
mircea_popescu: !up antonosika
mircea_popescu: antonosika if you want 2016 delivery we can just do that.
mircea_popescu: lol someone got pete all riled up.
kyuupichan: BRK.A about 348 BTC. Has to go under 314 BTC by March or I'm fscked.
antonosika: Well that's higher risk too. The issue would be being paid 1 Satoshi if delayed. Why not just change it to a second contract with delivery 2016 if delay?
mircea_popescu: because you don't get a string of options.
mircea_popescu: pick a date you can live with and that's that.
mircea_popescu: kyuupichan what if it goes to 300 or w/e
assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin to drop under $300 before December :: 1.03 B (25%) on Yes, 3.1 B (75%) on No | closing in 2 months 2 weeks | weight: 98`791 (100`000 to 1)
kyuupichan: Don't care so much there :)
mircea_popescu: but if btc drops...
kyuupichan: If BTC drops it might tempt more into the BRK.A bet, which could be good.
antonosika: mircea_popescu I could do that but I don't see the reason. A contract where one party has a chance to recieve nothing is a large and unnecessary risk
antonosika: Would it be possible to have 2016 delivery but delivery march 2015 provided a few requirements?
mircea_popescu: antonosika the idea here is that the constant admin costs aren't worth it to me.
mircea_popescu: im not looking for an opportunity to play the businessman. i'm sick and tired of the actual work of it.
mircea_popescu: so you'll have to somehow come to terms with a one-off sort of contract. i'm not chaining conditionals.
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 566.31, Best ask: 568.82, Bid-ask spread: 2.51000, Last trade: 568.83, 24 hour volume: 8025.64486705, 24 hour low: 565.44, 24 hour high: 589.28, 24 hour vwap: 0
kuzetsa: ;;calc [avgprc usd 24h] - [avgprc usd 7d]
gribble: 3.5
mircea_popescu: not so much volatility huh.
kuzetsa nods
kyuupichan: mircea_popescu: Anyone take you up on your Ether offer?
mircea_popescu: kyuupichan just a lot of talk around it so far.
kuzetsa: short term fluctuations on a few exchanges, but the weekly changes have been less than $20usd for a while now from what I've noticed
kuzetsa: I can't recall ever having seen bitcoin exchange rates this stable for so long before
mircea_popescu: kyuupichan the eth scammers pretty much admitted it was all wash trading in some blogpost recently
kuzetsa: wash trading?
mircea_popescu: so nothing to be particularly surprised about.
kuzetsa: O_O
mircea_popescu: ;;google wash trading
gribble: Wash Trading Definition | Investopedia: <http://www.investopedia.com/terms/w/washtrading.asp>; Wash trade - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wash_trade>; Wash sale - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wash_sale>
kuzetsa: haha no, I know
kuzetsa: I just wasn't aware that was going on
RagnarDanneskjol: lemme know if you want a search run for someone to pick up the slack on those constant admin time costs - just let me know what measurwments you need, blonde or brunette
mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol it's not really something one can outsource. liquidity events are notoriously contentious, high level sort of work.
RagnarDanneskjol: I get it, you can keep her chained in the basement tho
mircea_popescu: poor girl.
fluffypony: goodbye Litecoin
fluffypony: we hardly knew ye
kuzetsa: oh, really?
kuzetsa: no more litecoin? yay!!!
cazalla: but it's silver fluffypony
mircea_popescu: it's not dead just because it lost the 100:1 thing
mircea_popescu: it'll be around for years as people unwind.
fluffypony: it crashed 18%
fluffypony: after the recent decline
mircea_popescu: long way to 99.9855
fluffypony: yeah spose
mircea_popescu: actually, this suggests a bet to me.
assbot: Human verification - 4plebs archive
kuzetsa: cazalla: wow, that's kinda sick O_O
kuzetsa: I didn't expect it to be a giffed doge snuff film thinger like that, whoa :(
cazalla: kuzetsa, it's just a doge
kuzetsa: I don't even like dogs, it still upset me though :(
mircea_popescu: why is the dog's tail shaking
cazalla: well, it's was dead long before the gif was made so what's it matter
cazalla: mircea_popescu, because he's happy
mircea_popescu: is this like fake dog snuff ?
cazalla: nfi, prob how koreans kill them or something
mircea_popescu: poor dog.
mircea_popescu: !up Enky
[]bot: Bet created: "LTC dead before Doge" http://bitbet.us/bet/1021/
mircea_popescu: a there we go.
xanthyos: why is the tail's dog wagging?
mircea_popescu: because it didn't read teh logs.
cazalla: loge
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 62 @ 0.02523161 = 1.5644 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 21 @ 0.02523161 = 0.5299 BTC [-]
nubbins`: robin williams, hey
fluffypony: yeah sad
xmj: !up bounc
xmj: !up bounce
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell hollywood Bitcoin's Best Tits SexySaffron
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell hollywood Best Broker Coinbr/Jurov +1
gribble: The operation succeeded.
cazalla: f5 f5 f5 f5, romanian to english articles on trilema must be 20:1
BingoBoingo: lol yeah
BingoBoingo: But English is picking up on trilema. Maybe you have unlucky f5, though many of the Romanian articles offer decent background on things useful for understanding the English ones
cazalla: i should've kept count but i went at least 15 romanian articles before hitting an english one, just-dice martingale strategiser nightmare come to life
cazalla: and i know sign language (auslan) so none of this sole english speaker crap k
BingoBoingo: Where's this comment mircea_popescu left on Tim Swanson's blog?
assbot: Bitcoin’s PR challenges | Great Wall of Numbers
RagnarDanneskjol: thought it was here, maybe he took down
BingoBoingo: I'm not seeing any comments on there
RagnarDanneskjol: I kno - think he removed maybe - dood is a mealey mouthed wanker
cazalla: RagnarDanneskjol, what's with the ad hom attacks?
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell hollywood Most Mealy Mouthed Wanker of the Periphery of this Space Tim Swanson
gribble: The operation succeeded.
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 469547.33 Est. Next Diff: 1762865.42 in 19 blocks (#44352) Est. % Change: 275.44
RagnarDanneskjol: nothing, just calling it how I see
pankkake: I'm pretty sure he submitted his thing to reddit himself
pankkake: the titles are so highly suspicious
pankkake: also, I'm fairly sure no one read his thing entirely
pankkake: this has "i want attention" all over it
RagnarDanneskjol: i did regrettably
BingoBoingo: I'll prolly read it since free pdf's == lulz fuel!!!
assbot: GOING TO HAVE TO SCREEN CANDIDATES BETTERHAD A CREEPY KFC OBSESSED DEVELOPER TODAY CLAIMING TO BE INTIMATELY FAMILIAR WITH THE COLONEL
pankkake: you had the time to read those 300 pages?!
fluffypony: assbot cut it off
RagnarDanneskjol: i read fast
fluffypony: "GOING TO HAVE TO SCREEN CANDIDATES BETTER. HAD A CREEPY KFC OBSESSED DEVELOPER TODAY CLAIMING TO BE “INTIMATELY FAMILIAR WITH THE COLONEL”"
fluffypony: such lol
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 195 Ask: 222 Last Price: 222 24h-Vol: 662k High: 222 Low: 187 VWAP: 207
RagnarDanneskjol: phpceo is good stuff thanks
assbot: WE FOLLOW "AGILE AS FUCK" METHODOLOGY. LOOK AT THIS, I JUST DRAGGED AND DROPPED INDEX.PHP INTO CUTE FTP. CONTINUOUS. FUCKING. INTEGRATION.
fluffypony: hah hah
assbot: _nightengale_ comments on This is going to be heavily ignored but this is really important. A long well written paper about the issues with bitcoin.
BingoBoingo: Even before we get to the Content of Swanson's book.... Dude needs a fucking editor/publisher or to read the Chicago Manual of Style.
RagnarDanneskjol: yea, its rather painful
pankkake: the PDF doesn't display well on my browser, I have text on text
BingoBoingo: !up BigBitz
BigBitz: Thanks, dude.
BigBitz: That link is hilarious.
BigBitz: 280+ 'paper' on Bitcoin.
BingoBoingo: page numbering is off, the footnote links suck
BigBitz: Someone loves the sound of their own voice (writing)
RagnarDanneskjol: [PDF] The digital traces of bubbles: feedback cycles between
RagnarDanneskjol: ...between socio-economic signals in the btc community
BingoBoingo: Seriously why does everyone with a copy of MS Word and Adobe Acrobat think they can self publish, with out the skills, without the practice, to make a fucking document work!
assbot: Data Supplement
BingoBoingo: Oh, and his footnotes have fucking broken links, because a hyperlink is an insufficient citation format for "a book" even if it is an ebook!
thestringpuller: ;;seen ben_vulpes
gribble: ben_vulpes was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 7 hours, 15 minutes, and 25 seconds ago: <ben_vulpes> yeah.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22443 @ 0.00073737 = 16.5488 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: everyone with a copy of MS Word and Adobe Acrobat think they can self publish, with out the skills << wait till they get a hold of 'latex'
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: what's wrong with latex?
thestringpuller: i thought it was the standard for white papers
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: what's wrong with latex << nothing. but plenty wrong with idiots
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I love latex, great for documents that actually get printed
thestringpuller: i have yet to learn latex
thestringpuller: it is too hard for me
asciilifeform: there is no practical alternative to latex for mathematical typesetting (microshit is not a practical alternative to anything, ever)
BingoBoingo: Latex isn't really something the needs to be learned so much as done with a helpful companion book next to you
asciilifeform: but looks like everyone is missing the original point.
BingoBoingo: !up The20YearIRCloud
asciilifeform: presently you can do a kind of basic 'iq filter' just by, e.g. ignoring anything whatsoever distributed as an ms-word turd
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: George Gratzer's "First Steps in Latex" is the book I use
asciilifeform: but as idiots, with some struggle, learn more 'adult' systems in their effort to mimic actual people, this useful heuristic stops working
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell mircea_popescu 891
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: Interac
BingoBoingo: ting with fiat institution, a guide
BingoBoingo: by Mircea Popescu,
BingoBoingo: SEC Charges Bitcoin Entrepreneur With Offering
BingoBoingo: Unregistered Securities
BingoBoingo: SEC charges bitcoin entrepreneur for share offering
BingoBoingo: MarketWatch
BingoBoingo: SEC Alleges
BingoBoingo: Texas Man Ran $4.5 Million Bitcoin Ponzi Scheme
BingoBoingo: from LexisNexis
The20YearIRCloud: Who was 4.5m guy?
kakobrekla: how can you not know this
kakobrekla: dis a joke?
fluffypony: kakobrekla: which part?
kakobrekla: myea.
kakobrekla: >Pavol Rusnak11:50 AM+1
kakobrekla: We wanted to change the wording on box that hologram seal is an authenticity measure, not a security measure, exactly for this reason. But it was too late and quite big amount of boxes was already printed. We'll change this in a future release of box.
kakobrekla: jesus what a failpaste.
kakobrekla: we seem to be on the roll today
assbot: Last 9 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0W21Y7T.txt )
assbot: Tim Swanson’s PR Challenges | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski
BingoBoingo: !up jborkl_
jborkl_: Thank you, remember to vote.
kakobrekla: shutup obama
pankkake: I would vote but I have no categories in mind
jborkl_: Lol
pankkake: and we might end up with many categories with one nominee only
jborkl_: That's ok, your vote you do whatever you want
jborkl_: I am having a logo made
pankkake: 1518 [freenode] ChanServ(ChanServ@services.) Information on #litecoin-assets:
pankkake: 1518 [freenode] ChanServ(ChanServ@services.) Founder : Chaang-Noi
kakobrekla: ;;seen chaang-noi
gribble: chaang-noi was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 26 weeks, 1 day, 7 hours, 19 minutes, and 42 seconds ago: <Chaang-Noi> might have to sue em
kakobrekla: SUE ERYBODY
BigBitz: LOL kakobrekla.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 34 @ 0.2762058 = 9.391 BTC [+] {7}
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 469547.33 Est. Next Diff: 1742547.71 in 8 blocks (#44352) Est. % Change: 271.11
BingoBoingo: !up karma
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13800 @ 0.0007347 = 10.1389 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 31 @ 0.2781 = 8.6211 BTC [+]
nubbins`: the thing about doing rainbow-roll t-shirts is that at the end, you've got a big mess of brown ink
nubbins`: how many browns does one shop need?
nubbins`: i should start charging a wastage premium for these
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 46 @ 0.02523161 = 1.1607 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.2781 = 1.3905 BTC [+]
assbot: Password manager LastPass goes titsup: Users LOCKED OUT The Register
BigBitz: such irony.
kyuupichan: lol, a few blocks to ATC diff megaramp and mysterious miner runs away
assbot: Bitcoin Foundation Selects BitGo Enterprise to Manage Finances
pankkake: pete_dushenski: do you have caching or some sort of feed delay?
pete_dushenski: pankkake: my rss seems to be a bit fuzzy atm
pete_dushenski: as soon as i clean up the spaces on the php files, it pops out
pete_dushenski: otherwise, takes forever
pankkake: yeah also it only gives the last article
pankkake: clean the spaces?!
nubbins`: !up NormDePloome
pete_dushenski: remove the extra spaces between the lines of code
pete_dushenski: apparently this does something
pete_dushenski: and whaddya mean it only gives the last article?
pankkake: http://contravex.com/feed/ => only one article in the list
assbot: Contravex: A blog by Pete DushenskiContravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski
pete_dushenski: hm ya that link is thoroughly borked.
pete_dushenski: when i click on it, it launched thunderbird lol
pankkake: that might be because it's your registered feed reader
pete_dushenski: huh ya i guess
pete_dushenski: seems odd that an email app would double as an rss feed reader
nubbins`: !up Dimsler
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
pankkake: it also does NNTP (probably always did), Chat (XMPP, IRC, ...)
RagnarDanneskjol: shouldnt it just have the domain after this: </content:encoded> <wfw:commentRss> and not the domain/subpage
pete_dushenski: kakobrekla: hm myeah
kakobrekla: noone gets the joke? meh.
pete_dushenski: kakobrekla: too sofistikated!
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kakobrekla: ;;google aaron swartz death
gribble: Aaron Swartz - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Swartz>; Aaron Swartz's Girlfriend Explains 'Why Aaron Died' - Mashable: <http://mashable.com/2013/02/05/aaron-swartz-girlfriend-why-he-died/>; Internet prodigy, activist Aaron Swartz commits suicide - CNN.com: <http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/12/us/new-york-reddit-founder-suicide/>
pankkake: kakobrekla: I got the joke, but too lazy to click on the link before
pankkake: RSS sucks, Atom's better
kakobrekla: perhaps, marginally.
nubbins`: mighty atom
punkman: PubSubHubbub!
BingoBoingo: F5 is the best news feed, mash it until something new
assbot: cryptocyprus comments on What's Mark Karpeles doing today? What's Danny Brewster doing today?
kakobrekla: seven nekkid gals reading the news in seven different languages at the same time > F5
kakobrekla: especially if F5 is remapped to shutdown.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.27984 = 1.3992 BTC [+] {2}
fluffypony: pankkake: that's hilarious
assbot: cryptocyprus comments on What's Mark Karpeles doing today? What's Danny Brewster doing today?
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: F5 is remapped to the on/of function of Andreas's pacemaker
kakobrekla: one would wish.
assbot: Marc Emery to speak in Windsor, Ont., today after leaving U.S. prison - Canada - CBC News
pankkake: lol really you get extradited for selling pot?
nubbins`: nope
nubbins`: you get extradited for mailing seeds, which don't contain THC, to another country
nubbins`: before this happened, the all-time harshest punishment for a canadian citizen caught selling seeds was a $200 fine
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9553 @ 0.00073661 = 7.0368 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: Russia say: "Why you no trust us? We wery humanitarian!" http://t.co/njozWrp3Cg
BingoBoingo: the former National Security Agency analyst and an outspoken critic of Edward Snowden, resigned Monday from his position as a professor at the US Naval War College months after a picture of his alleged penis surfaced online. http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/08/snowden-critic-resigns-naval-war-college-over-online-penis-photo-flap/
assbot: Snowden critic resigns Naval War College after online penis photo flap | Ars Technica
BingoBoingo: ALLEGED PENIS!!!
pankkake: why? it's very small or something?
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 469547.33 Est. Next Diff: 1725635.23 in 2 blocks (#44352) Est. % Change: 267.51
BingoBoingo: pankkake: Because it is alleged
pankkake: haven't found an ATC block in months
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 195 Ask: 250 Last Price: 220 24h-Vol: 337k High: 222 Low: 189 VWAP: 215
BingoBoingo: pankkake: Well, mining is hard, but at least volume is up
pete_dushenski: pankkake: BingoBoingo this is why faces in nudie pics are so important
pete_dushenski: even better woulda been a 6-digit hash on the guy's dong
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Exactly, or if not faces sufficiently novel acts to make the nudes meritorious
assbot: Money's gone from /hashtag/gold?src=hash to paper to digital in 100 yrs. Each step makes it easier for government to steal. When the time comes, they will.
BingoBoingo: Oh this has been a thing since August 2nd http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/altcoin/
assbot: Altcoin (ATC) price, charts, and info | Crypto-Currency Market Capitalizations
pankkake: oh, pretty cool
BingoBoingo: Shame the things doesn't have much in the way of history yet
pete_dushenski: gotta start somewhere
pete_dushenski: so it turns out that mr. badbios, dragos ruiu, taught at my alma mater, which is here in town
pete_dushenski: ain't that the darnedest
pankkake: that's how you spot a tiny penis
pete_dushenski: and he didn't approve my pingback!
BingoBoingo: "There was a lot of talk recently about Gavin possibly changing the protocol to increase the number of transactions per block. As this formed quite a bit of chapter 2 I was wondering if you had an thoughts on this." << ALso not a thing that changes the protocol
pete_dushenski: swansoooon!
pankkake: and I certainly wasn't inappopriate or anything
assbot: Actual Internet Etiquette: Trackbacks and Spam | Bingo Blog
pankkake: I'm torn between insulting him elsewhere and not doing anything since he just wants the attention
pete_dushenski: the only way he gets more attention is if he stays on the ground rather than 6 feet under
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: that's an idea
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: I mean trackbacks are pretty much the only part of the semanti web that works.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17100 @ 0.0007313 = 12.5052 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [BTM] 550 @ 0.0018 = 0.99 BTC
assbot: Police Fire Rubber Bullets and Tear Gas on Ferguson, Mo. Protestors
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2797 @ 0.0007313 = 2.0454 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [BTM] 560 @ 0.0018 = 1.008 BTC {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [BTM] 556 @ 0.0018 = 1.0008 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7707 @ 0.00073732 = 5.6825 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23600 @ 0.00073925 = 17.4463 BTC [+] {3}
pete_dushenski: ;;nethash
gribble: 182312508.464
BingoBoingo: RIP QuickStop
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> kyuupichan the eth scammers pretty much admitted it was all wash trading in some blogpost recently << links, anyone?
artifexd: !s cryptopals
artifexd: http://cryptopals.com/ <- some nice lessons teaching how crypto works, how to attack it, and how easy it is to screw it up
assbot: The Matasano Crypto Challenges
RobinWilliams: 100% of people who breathe air die.
BingoBoingo: RobinWilliams: Nice DIY project. Few are so successful.
assbot: ethereum blog | Announcement on planned withdrawal from exodus
pete_dushenski: lol taleb got trolled
assbot: What if academics followed the new model of /nfergus and /nntaleb and got paid based on /hashtag/controversy?src=hash and /hashtag/engagement?src=hash?
pankkake: that guy looks dumb. then again, I've only read his twits
pete_dushenski: pankkake: he's not dumb so much as born too late to grok the internet
assbot: What Kurdish fighters really need is a motivational hashtag, like /hashtag/AllIn?src=hash or nothing
pete_dushenski: fluffypony: lmao
pete_dushenski: taleb can also be pretty emotional, lashing out on tards at the drop of a hat
pete_dushenski: in the real world, this is necessary and effective, online however...
punkman: pete_dushenski: I don't think younger people are that much better at troll detection
fluffypony: trustworthyness to the max
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.76083848 BTC to 13`817 shares, 12744 satoshi per share
pete_dushenski: punkman: but younger people can learn
pete_dushenski: fluffypony: that man looks like a freaking genius!
punkman: fluffypony: pretty good trollface
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [BTM] 500 @ 0.0018 = 0.9 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 19.06680104 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 1658 satoshi per share
fluffypony: better than Danny's
punkman: save it for future photoshops
assbot: If the new iPad has an anti-glare screen, that's a potential gamechanger in the fight against ISIS.
fluffypony: this dude is a machine
punkman: pete_dushenski: btw Swanson has not one, not two, but three books! http://www.ofnumbers.com/the-guide/
assbot: The guide | Great Wall of Numbers
assbot: ISIS took a Facebook approach, starting in one place then expanding to a caliphate. Al Qaeda too unfocused.
fluffypony: ok I stop now
pete_dushenski: punkman: o i know
pete_dushenski: thought i said as much in the article?
pete_dushenski: fluffypony: never stop the lulz!
punkman: pete_dushenski: didn't see a mention of the colored coin treatise in your post
BigBitz: Hey HeySteve.
assbot: Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski
pete_dushenski: "le derp"
punkman: pete_dushenski: that's the china book
punkman: oh never mind, saw it now
pete_dushenski: lol finally
RobinWilliams: so apparently nicks are ban-worthy offenses in the 'ol #bitcoin-otc
RobinWilliams: i'm an envelope pusher
chetty: I thought you were a ghost
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23600 @ 0.00074146 = 17.4985 BTC [+] {2}
BigBitz: RobinWilliams have some respect, I guess? :) for the dead...
pete_dushenski: ya no hitler jokes either
BigBitz: lol
pete_dushenski: have some respek
fluffypony: do not mention ze war
RobinWilliams: obv my skin is thicker. let this serve as my message that no fucks will be given anymore
RobinWilliams: i'm done
BigBitz: RobinWilliams :)
assbot: Study: Twitter Has Potential To ‘Induce Psychotic Symptoms’ « CBS Sacramento
assbot: The Economist explains: Why the price of commercial sex is falling | The Economist
pete_dushenski: i wonder how satoshi, not having been a "professional financial economist professional," would have explained cheaper sex
pete_dushenski: i'd like to think he would've been too taking advantage of the opportunities presented him
pete_dushenski: *been too busy
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 1878190.93 in 2014 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: 0.00
BingoBoingo: 1.87 million diff
Apocalyptic: is this the record ?
BingoBoingo: I don't remember
BingoBoingo: Oh Apocalyptic Ever plan on changing the max order limit above 10?
Apocalyptic: BingoBoingo, maybe, I didn't think someone would go over that with legit orders to be honest
BingoBoingo: Apocalyptic: I kinda keep bumping into it
pete_dushenski: http://www.economist.com/blogs/americasview/2014/08/graffiti-bogot << has anyone else taken this in? it's quite something. more aware than berlin's even.
assbot: Graffiti in Bogot: Blank canvas | The Economist
kakobrekla: such limit is pointless. what is preventing me creating 1k acc and putting 10 orders up with each
kakobrekla: if you need to limit it to 10 per user your code is wrong.
Apocalyptic: kakobrekla, validating 1k acc is more painfull that to just spam new orders
BingoBoingo: Apocalyptic: Makes it hard to go deep into both bids and asks at the same time
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.28 = 0.56 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: validating how?
Apocalyptic: I send an activation link for every new account
Apocalyptic: well it would take some time to setuo
Apocalyptic: *setup
nubbins`: just finalized the text for those bitcoin posters
Apocalyptic: but I get your point
nubbins` sniffs, wipes away tear
xmj: offer number two
xmj: sent
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [BTM] 2000 @ 0.0018 = 3.6 BTC
nubbins`: ;;later tell pete_dushenski i've been to berlin and la candelaria in botoga, and i agree -- bogota wins, hands-down
gribble: The operation succeeded.
HeySteve: I'm about to announce my new gambling game on the forum
HeySteve: let me know if this sounds interesting to you guys...
HeySteve: COINAN: The Wrath of BitCrom - A Blockchain-Powered Online Gamebook (with Gambling)
HeySteve: 80’s children will have fond memories of gamebooks like the Choose Your Own Adventure, Fighting Fantasy or Lone Wolf series. These books captured the essence of role-playing by granting players agency over their character within a greater narrative. Inspired by such classic interactive fiction, I’ve adapted the format to take advantage of the internet and Bitcoin, the coin of the
HeySteve: digital realm.
HeySteve: The goals are to allow real-time creative collaboration between storytellers, illustrators and readers and also to deepen the excitement of classic gamebooks by making player decisions a true gamble.
BigBitz: !down HeySteve
assbot: Native American Headdresses Banned at Bass Coast Festival | Billboard
HeySteve: at least I didn't include my ascii art logo
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 315281 | Current Difficulty: 1.9729645940577133E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 316511 | Next Difficulty In: 1230 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 11 hours, 22 minutes, and 6 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 24082409068.7 | Estimated Percent Change: 22.06204
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell pete_dushenski when are you going to put the fro on twitter?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
thestringpuller: ;;later tell ben_vulpes when will images be supported?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: !up DreadKnight
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 1878190.93 in 2013 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: 0.00
HeySteve: hey DreadKnight
ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: not any time soon
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo hm ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Was trying to present those footnotes from the failbook
mircea_popescu: so... 819 ? i dun get it.
BingoBoingo: Well, I'll open the failbook again and try to get the actual text
mircea_popescu: SemFieteewBut l.uf.en.gk.u.an.gniub.i..u.k.10@gmail.com 76.164.201.226Submitted on 2014/08/12 at 4:24 d.m. "For this specific day of the week-spun2"
BingoBoingo: A bunch of weird characters that should have been spaces were treated as line spaces
mircea_popescu: keywords2 example.com/ dlcqcafd@gmail.com 106.186.112.93Submitted on 2014/08/12 at 4:22 d.m. "Wonderful topic!…"
BingoBoingo: *line breaks
mircea_popescu: these noobs need to learn how to spam ffs.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: the footnote 891 Interacting with fiat institution, a guide by Mircea Popescu, SEC Charges Bitcoin Entrepreneur With Offering Unregistered Securities, SEC charges bitcoin entrepreneur for share offering from MarketWatch and SEC Alleges Texas Man Ran $4.5 Million Bitcoin Ponzi Scheme from LexisNexis
mircea_popescu: that can;'t be it.
mircea_popescu: i asked him if he read the 2012 canonical text on contracts.
pankkake: Apocalyptic: since X-BT is on coinmarketcap already for atc, you should have them add your ltc and nmc markets. I'd rather buy nmc from you when I need them, but there's almost no one trading
BingoBoingo: That's the trilema thing he linked in Chapter 17 of his Bitcoin book. I can dig through his other stuff, but... navigating his giant pdf's is a pain
Apocalyptic: pankkake, oh it is ? great. Then I would somehow expect them to add all the listed coins
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo so basically the guy has no fucking idea of anything.
BingoBoingo: Part of the current narrative popular on social media such as Reddit and Twitter is that Bitcoin’s
BingoBoingo: cryptographic code, being nigh-unbreakable by law enforcement and other judicial authority,
BingoBoingo: will itself act as a form of “law” transcending all jurisdictions. Two notable examples being that
BingoBoingo: of Mircea Popescu of MPex who asserted Bitcoin's sovereignty in response to an SEC
BingoBoingo: investigation as well as Trendon Shavers (‘pirate40’) who was charged by the SEC for running a
BingoBoingo: $4.5 million Ponzi scheme through a firm called Bitcoin Savings & Trust.891 In fact, due to the
BingoBoingo: numerous scams and thefts that continue to occur with these types of investments, in May the
BingoBoingo: SEC issued an investor alert related to bitcoin and other virtual currencies. 892
BingoBoingo: ^ paragraph footnote comes from
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Some people should not self publish, because they can't understand "bookness" especially when it comes to presenting "bookness" electronically
nubbins`: Bitcoin ist totale kunst!
pankkake: I suspect his publishing method is just a way to avoid rebuttals
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo yes, but those same people are too stupid to realise how stupid they are, and if someone tells them this they misrepresent it as an "ad hominem" and misconstrue it as some sort of failure of "the world"
mircea_popescu: ideally, one that needs their inept brand of "fixing"
pankkake: just don't give attention to attention whores
mircea_popescu: pankkake give the right sort of attentio.
BingoBoingo: The dude start's his page numbering from the fucking prematter right after the cover, which no.
mircea_popescu: this idiocy came to be highly regarded by parents that aren';t people, that you shouldn't give attention to kids asking for it the wrong way (usually throwing a fit). this is nonsense.
mircea_popescu: kidsshould get NEGATIVE attention whenever they ask for it. such as a good beating.
mircea_popescu: that way you don't have the problem of snotty 5yo disrupting other people's restaurant meal. because in his reptillian 5yo brain, the risk that the whole stampede of adults beats the shit out of him if he starts screaming is quite vivid.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the presumptiousness of calling a pdf "my book" is striking.
nubbins`: a thousand times ^
pankkake: first time I've seen the word "disrupt" used in this context in months :p
mircea_popescu: especially in the face of having called a random string generator in an article you're ostensibly rebutting.
mircea_popescu: pankkake :)
mircea_popescu: !up fluffyghost
mircea_popescu: you're not mircea_popescu- are you ?
BigBitz: !up fluffypony
fluffypony: znc server hiccuped
assbot: Transcripts offer window into SEC probes of financial crisis and some awkward testimony http://t.co/g0KjnK2TF0 /WSJ http://t.co/rJL4iuTqz2
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: PGP appears once, in a footnote in his second PDF, GPG appears not at all
BingoBoingo: And neither does your name
BingoBoingo: For example, since at least 1991 there has been a variety of methods for building reputation systems –
BingoBoingo: webs of trust – that incentivizes users to pay back creditors. 334 With a blockchain you can now have a
BingoBoingo: safe place to put an instrument or contract and people can digitally sign it. Since it is publicly audited,
BingoBoingo: other users can see its history and if it is reliable thus building credit scores. In turn, business
BingoBoingo: transactions based on clearly defined terms and services can be conducted on an exchange through a
BingoBoingo: form of identity management. This will completely transform how the flow of capital and investment
BingoBoingo: work and will be a godsend to the 3rd world. For instance, a person with a reliable DAO (or smart
BingoBoingo: contract) could create a monetary instrument (a cryptocoin) and lend it to anyone on the globe in the
BingoBoingo: form of a loan with specific terms and conditions. This is done in an external, tamperproof system, a
BingoBoingo: cryptoledger that is not controlled by an institution capable of abuse. As a consequence, for developing
BingoBoingo: countries, just as they leapfrogged copper wiring choosing to use wireless telephony, some may forgo
BingoBoingo: building replicas of existing financial infrastructure and instead choose to use this virtual-based system
BingoBoingo: through their mobile devices.”
BingoBoingo: ^ the "context"
mircea_popescu: yeah. i don't credit the theory he's unaffiliated. basically there's this pile of idiots who perceive as the greatest impediment towards their brand of nonsense being accepted universally
BingoBoingo: The footnote 334 PGP (Pretty Good Privacy) was released in 1991 by Phil Zimmermann, see: Cypher Wars from Wired
xmj: jesus
mircea_popescu: the fact that i was here first, and i knew they'll show up, and i took speciffic and apparently effectual measures.
mircea_popescu: c'est la vie.
xmj: BingoBoingo: can your next paste have longer linewidths please?
BingoBoingo: xmj: The would involve touching this filth moar, so I'm jsut not going to past more of it
xmj: ok
punkman: "So with Demo Day approaching, I'd like to make the following point explicit: Y Combinator has a zero tolerance policy for inappropriate sexual or romantic behavior from investors toward founders. Don't even think about doing it. I will find out. Y Combinator will not continue to work with you."
mircea_popescu: so ycombinator is finally reduced to a dating service ?
mircea_popescu: come mix your y with our founder's x-x's ?
BingoBoingo: So this thing we are trying to convince people is a "business" is so not a business that we can just turn them off if people touch genitals
mircea_popescu: pity we're not speaking romanian, ass is fund, i could have had some fun with it.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo :)
assbot: MPOE-PR, almost two years in the swamp. An anthology. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
BingoBoingo: It's not a place that deals with business's it's fucking summer camp trying to turn a profit on macaroni crafts
mircea_popescu: provided nobody touches anyone's ass.
punkman: so what if founders wanna suck some toe, why does YC have a say?
mircea_popescu: punkman they're prolly about to turn the "women in biz" faucet way up
mircea_popescu: as someone observed, as things turn to shit women move in.
punkman: they are already doing that yeah
mircea_popescu: now who the hell said that bit about things turning to shit and female representation.
mircea_popescu: i bet it was tlp.
assbot: Summing up police militarization with a photo from Missouri. The camo is required because? http://t.co/Jr6atNWxjR http://t.co/IeZgZNppxl
mircea_popescu: "so when the police approached you, why did you open fire ?" "i thought we were being invaded by aliens" "i see. fair enough. case dismissed"
BingoBoingo: I guess I'm staying out of StL proper for a while
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu> "so when the police approached you, why did you open fire ?" "i thought we were being invaded by aliens" "i see. fair enough. case dismissed" << THought it was the Chicoms invading
mircea_popescu: close enough.
mircea_popescu: so in the end, ima count pete_dushenski 's summary as accurate : "Serious scholarship of a work is merited if and only if that work is itself a piece of serious scholarship."
danielpbarron: 10:19 <+kakobrekla> especially if F5 is remapped to shutdown. << one time, at a LAN party, I remapped someone's "W" key to suicide :D
mircea_popescu: Another Goldman banker told SEC officials he didn't know what he meant by an email he sent in 2006 that said underwriters and issuers would "put $ in our pockets" because "we are us."
nubbins`: WE ARE USS
nubbins`: GREAT STUFFS
mircea_popescu: totally lol.
nubbins`: IT IS OUR HAPPY
mircea_popescu: imagine these coke addled, add dyslexic monkeys shooting emails to each other at 3am off a stripper's asscrack
mircea_popescu: imagine sitting there with a windowfull and just wondering if it's fucking markov chain day.
mircea_popescu: then people want to know why the econo0my went to shit.
mircea_popescu: a) what economy ; b) wut ?
mircea_popescu: "dude, where's my economy!" "what color was it ?"
mircea_popescu: "i dunno, the color economies usually are"
mircea_popescu: "well... in the place economies usually go."
assbot: dpaste: 1NNVPYJ
nubbins`: ^ lel
mircea_popescu: lol hey nubbins` how come everyone knows she's got major beef curtains urmom ?
nubbins`: i can only imagine it's assumed based on my brash demeanor
mircea_popescu: that ain't scandalous, that be brash demeanor, bish!
nubbins`: i've got a feeling these "what is btc" posters are gonna be a big hit
mircea_popescu: tit gig.
nubbins`: putting finishing touches on words today, design to commence soon
mircea_popescu: cazalla: f5 f5 f5 f5, romanian to english articles on trilema must be 20:1 << lemme count for you here.
mircea_popescu: wait isn't it the design you're doing ? is this pre-design ?
nubbins`: i suppose it's all "design"
nubbins`: but i gotta know what i'm trying to say before i start illustrating it :D
nubbins`: put another way: putting finishing touches on content, graphics to commence soon
nubbins`: oh and hey, what was the hidden bounty? 0.1 or some such?
nubbins`: wait, sorry, that was thestringpuller's project
nubbins`: so many projects on the plate :S
mircea_popescu: cazalla 6781 total articles, 2567 in english. 1610 of these however are the result of me dumping the wikileaks trove back before wikileaks itself decided to publish documents (i only did stuff referring to bucharest, but it did force them to get their act together and a day later they released the cables). these don't appear in the random rotation (i imagine that's what you're doing) and so the numbers would be
mircea_popescu: ;;calc (2567-1610)/(6781-1610)*100
gribble: 18.507058596
mircea_popescu: 18% english, ~1 in 5.
thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: why not?
HeySteve: my project thread hasn't been mirrored on bitcointa.lk yet
mircea_popescu: what project is that ?
assbot: COINAN: The Wrath of BitCrom - Blockchain-Powered Online Gamebook with Gambling
nubbins`: bbl running to bank
mircea_popescu: haha sounds lulzy
ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: if you can't write the copy that makes people click your link, why would an image change that?
mircea_popescu: Example, Coinan encounters a hostile, socialist vampire. These choices are presented:
mircea_popescu: HeySteve the tech involved seems very naive. stuff like "Red text installments will always include a password-protected file containing a description of the optimal choice. The password will be revealed in the next installment, ensuring a pre-determined answer unaffected by the value of bets placed or other factors. You’ll have to trust me not to play my own game or leak the right choice to my cronies before voting e
mircea_popescu: nds. Either that or suggest a way to make things trustless.."
mircea_popescu: who's coding it ?
thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: you don't watch enough Mad Men.
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thestringpuller: What fonts are supported?
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: I think the point is he wants to expose people to his logo
HeySteve: mircea_popescu it'll be all text
mircea_popescu: that much i gather.
HeySteve: although maybe later I'll have single player versions on a website, so will need a little coding there
mircea_popescu: no, you need coding to do things like distribute secrets less awkwardly than through "password protected files"
mircea_popescu: which i expect you see as hand crafted word documents by you personally.
mircea_popescu: !up princessnell
mircea_popescu: how's scholarship princess ?
HeySteve: hmm well text files in RAR archives
mircea_popescu: this sort of clunk will sink what otherwise is a clever promising thing.
HeySteve: ok well I'm open to suggestions for handling that stuff more smoothly
mircea_popescu: that's common knowledge : salt and hash.
mircea_popescu: say your options are "fuck her" or "spit in her mouth"
mircea_popescu: you publish : the correct answer is ba320a34890a5cdc4f0ba0e53017d490811aad50259c1bc4214df05544f9dd2d9a6992e617d2273f79a73e6ae972a8a0c171608ae71eb5d5bd148f81f38d2e0d
mircea_popescu: then later on you say : sha512, salt "-derpysaltlalal-"
mircea_popescu: at this point anyone can verify the right answer was in fact "spit in her mouth"
ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: for now, just the one displaying.
HeySteve: ah ha cool! that's better, thanks
mircea_popescu: HeySteve my point being that this is just one example. you need a coder to know the things that are obvious and well known that you don't know.
HeySteve: I can ask my developer but he's still pretty busy with "WoTcoin" alpha
mircea_popescu: ;;rated dignork
gribble: You rated user dignork on Mon May 12 10:27:20 2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: he cracked my hashes!.
mircea_popescu: ;;rate dignork 2 He's a character.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user dignork has changed from 1 to 2.
assbot: Ferguson tear gas video: Angry, but apparently unarmed, residents face attack.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo what's the story with stl anyway ?
BingoBoingo: police firing tear gas at angry residents despite the fact that they're standing behind a fence on private property and are apparently unarmed:
mircea_popescu: after being abandoned by the feds during katrina they sorta created an independent state,
mircea_popescu: which is now being invaded ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Kid got shot. Was unarmed, going to college this week if he wouldn't have been shot.
BingoBoingo: Prefect storm of buzzwords to anger North Side
mircea_popescu: "got shot" as in murdered by police ?
BingoBoingo: Story is hands up surrendering with his back to the cop
ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: look either you make the sell with the situation as is or you don't man
ben_vulpes: we're taking the world back to evaluation on its merits, not on its appearances.
mircea_popescu: omg stop hussling the poor guy]
mircea_popescu: can;t even have a logo no moar.
BingoBoingo: What happens when jurov and Namworld's Coinroll thing wants to keep using the graphics they've already sunk costs into?
ben_vulpes: !s sunk cost fallacy
ben_vulpes: the mermaid?
ben_vulpes: the whole point of the mermaid is fuck a logo
mircea_popescu: you can'
mircea_popescu: t fuck mermaids.
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mircea_popescu: you're thinking the inverse mermaid ?
BingoBoingo: Wait Mermaids don't have cloaca
mircea_popescu: mike_c hey, how about a bitcoin mud platform ?
assbot: Outrage in Ferguson after police shooting of unarmed teenager Michael Brown - Vox
mircea_popescu: giving people like HeySteve all the tools they need to just make their game.
assbot: 2048: Super DickButt Edition
HeySteve: desert island scenario: do you choose mermaid or inverse mermaid as your only companion?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: Where's this comment mircea_popescu left on Tim Swanson's blog? << it just said "how about you come to b-a" with a webirc link
princessnell: hey mircea_popescu. scholarship has given way to subversion at the moment, which is an improvement. how's bitcoin baronship?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Earlier today it was... missing
ben_vulpes: princessnell: subversion? do tell!
mircea_popescu: bitcoin baronship has given way too many bonuses at the moment which is pleasant :D
mircea_popescu: yeah ben_vulpes has a point. i think the entire appeal of the tomb raider chick was her being subversive.
jurov: lolwhat? coinroll doesn't have a mermaid
jurov: BingoBoingo what do you mean?
princessnell: well the short version is that my merry band of radicals is warring with marxist elements that have infiltrated the american libertarian movement.
HeySteve: if it comes to seriously coding up gamebooks, this project is a good example. it works for the lone wolf books: http://projectaon.org/en/Main/Books
assbot: Project Aon: Main / Books (browse)
mircea_popescu: "submitted 4 days ago by ignoreatownrisk" lol that's lulzy,
BingoBoingo: jurov: There's that coinroll ad that shows up on BitBet and othe places. Atm ben_vulpes's network would be incapable of supporting it
princessnell: is there such thing as too many bonuses btw?
mircea_popescu: princessnell ahahaha.
jurov: i was a week under the rock, what is the vulpine thing?
mircea_popescu: jurov benkay got married.
ben_vulpes: to three chicks
mircea_popescu: princessnell yes, actually. it's the problem of the privileged, they can be too privileged. it's like being too poor in reverse.
mircea_popescu: princessnell so what happens after your merry band of radicals gets defeated ?
princessnell: we aren't expecting to win. we're trying to siphon the best talent to our cause.
princessnell: which is happening so that's nice
ben_vulpes: money > no money
mircea_popescu: princessnell what i want to know is why isn't your cause using the tools of victory.
mircea_popescu: get the whole lot in the wot, start opressing the little timmys of the world.
mircea_popescu: there's no victory outside of oppressing the other side into the dirt.
princessnell: mircea_popescu that's a good idea. get some synergy going. it will take some easing into.
mircea_popescu: radicals don't get easing into.
princessnell: i'm walking a thin line as it is, trying to convert american millenial college grads into crimethinkers.
mircea_popescu: it's straight to the barbed 12 inch buttplug for them
mircea_popescu: hehe i had suspected that my and that band are tenuous.
princessnell: lol. the buttplug method can be a last resort.
mircea_popescu: lemme share a high water mark in the history of romanian cartoons
assbot: RObotzi.S01.Ep2.Defect - YouTube
mircea_popescu: the guy is saying "o pula roz din fier cu luminite" which means "a pink iron cock with blinkenlichten"
princessnell: i am a barbaric american monoglot, unfortunately :-/
HeySteve: Das machine ist fur gerfingerpoken und mittengrabben.
jurov: ben_vulpes: what is that your service everyone is talking about? i'm 10 days behind with the lawgs and your blog is dead
ben_vulpes: jurov: ^^
ben_vulpes: has it only been ten days?
pankkake: it seems interesting for venues but not really for advertisers
ben_vulpes: interestingly enough, we're shooting for quality venues first.
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pankkake: and you have to buy the ads per venue?
ben_vulpes: for now.
mircea_popescu: pankkake how else ?
ben_vulpes: if you want to spend more money more quickly, i can make that happen for you.
mircea_popescu: anyway i got a meeting so bbl.
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thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: you're really bad at advertising. if you want text only you'd need support a inconography. The disney font is synonymous with the bran.
thestringpuller: iconography*
thestringpuller: if it's 1 font type it's not going to work long term but I guess we'll see
ben_vulpes: i was actually just pondering configuring this thing to serve ads styled to actually look good when displayed on each venue.
ben_vulpes: you see, we're recruiting the best content creators and making the advertisers suck our dicks.
ben_vulpes: stomping out this "one neat trick!" animated gif shit.
ben_vulpes: you may as well tell me that GPG logins are too hard for advertisers to grok. well, fu. learn gpg, and play nicely with the people running your ads.
thestringpuller: how so if you don't support basic news print ads? It's 2014 not 1014
ben_vulpes: there are some styling changes coming. header lines and such.
ben_vulpes: think adsense, not project wonderful.
thestringpuller: i'm thinking more moxie interactive
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ben_vulpes: yeah, don't do that.
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thestringpuller: Why not? You're excluding photographic based advertisements without any real merit except that "People should be compelled to click on an ad based on text alone."
thestringpuller: which is seemingly shallow given what successful ad agencies will claim "works"
chetty: do ads 'work'??
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jurov: chetty, for coinroll they do
nubbins`: chetty, after a fashion. sometimes.
jurov: for coinbr, not so much
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ben_vulpes: the ad advertising the right thing to the right people works
nubbins`: easier said than done
HeySteve: hmm assbot not going !down
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thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: that's not true
thestringpuller: There is a whole consortium of parents that keep their kids away from "real tv" so that they don't bug their parents for every new toy advertised.
jurov: um.. where did F.DERP vanish? or it still isn't trading?
ben_vulpes: jurov: i don't think it's hit the market yet.
ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: sounds like the ad is advertising to the right people.
jurov: ^finally published (with ben's help) how the thing is sposed to work
thestringpuller: more that advertisements "work" if they create an impression
thestringpuller: You're going for the hershey model
thestringpuller: which may have worked in 1963
thestringpuller: but hey what do I know, not like I worked in advertising or anything :P
ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: how many btc are you willing to put down to run an image ad?
thestringpuller: depends on the runtime
ben_vulpes: on top of the venue fee?
thestringpuller: and the metrics
thestringpuller: it'd be contigent
ben_vulpes: you're missing the entire point.
ben_vulpes: there are no metrics.
ben_vulpes: there is no click through rate.
ben_vulpes: there is no impression rate
ben_vulpes: there is only the venue and its audience.
thestringpuller: Yea and the venue has metrics.
thestringpuller: Of "page loads" and if my ad was displayed.
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BingoBoingo: !up thExit
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BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes thestringpuller: These are the important questions which are probably better debated now than when you throw a beta label on it
ben_vulpes: benefits of a forum
ben_vulpes: clash of ideologies
BingoBoingo: Well right now it seems to be light on the ideology and heavy on logistics
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jurov: ben_vulpes do you have an example of an ad that is stylistically adapted to various publishers?
BingoBoingo: lolz kakobrekla
jurov: that souds good in theory, but dunno in practice
ben_vulpes: jurov: not at the moment.
ben_vulpes: jurov: typeface would be the only knob i'd let venues twiddle.
ben_vulpes: at least right now.
mike_c: mircea_popescu:mike_c hey, how about a bitcoin mud platform ? << zork for bitcoin? the grue ate your coin?
ben_vulpes: nethack!
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Suppose the venue's perspective where it's in the venue commits space X by Y pixels already. Seems bidding from people confident in a text ad and properly sized images would, eventually be a desirable situation. I imagine for you as well since... with a 1% house edge you've eventually got to get volume.
BingoBoingo: I mean ImageMagick generates the text ads anyway
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: sorry, I don't quite understand that first line.
BingoBoingo: Ah, sat on the sentence to long. The venue want's to attract a lot of bids, and has already sunk space on the ad widget.
ben_vulpes: right
BingoBoingo: If coinroll has a square ad that works for them already...
ben_vulpes: now what if coinroll wants to run an ad on 4 different blogs
ben_vulpes: that have all picked different widgets
BingoBoingo: They've got to have appropiate sized art for each or a conversation with the blogs about standardizing on a size.
ben_vulpes: which is one of the reasons VAN's running text only right now.
ben_vulpes: and probably will for quite some time.
ben_vulpes: let me reiterate: it caters to venues, not advertisers.
thestringpuller: venues require traffic to be "catered to" vis-a-vis trilema vs. some other blog of quality that is not as established
ben_vulpes: pardon?
thestringpuller: okay for starters why cater to venues as the priority?
BingoBoingo: Well, there's got to be a contingency for the end of the month with the Trilema buy's advertised end. The buy this space graphic looks pretty good, but... I mean this could devolve into -assets bloggers just trolling each other again
ben_vulpes: <thestringpuller> okay for starters why cater to venues as the priority? << because catering to the masses is a losing proposition.
jborkl: i only troll others, not my fellow assets members
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell peterl nice work on http://blog.btcscoop.com/?p=6
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jborkl: lol, hehe
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jurov: http://www.blockscan.com/asset.aspx 2241 assets on couterparty? lmao
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thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: the venues arent customers. catering to a small intelligent audience and having them as your customer is not mutually exclusive
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thestringpuller: so tell me how catering to the venues which are not customers benefits the customer more?
ben_vulpes: who are the customers in this scenario?
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thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: the people payong
mike_c: you don't have to cater to the person paying. if you are providing a premium product customers will deal with the headaches. would you jump through some hoops to get an ad on www.berkshirehathaway.com? what if they said it had to be text only?
mike_c: or, more to the point, say trilema was actually running an ad slot (hint hint).
mike_c: or loper-os. i'd pay for that shit and say thank you for putting my text on your site.
mike_c: so really what you're saying is you don't think the venues available right now are worth the headache. which may or may not be true.
asciilifeform: mike_c: unlikely that anyone will ever offer enough to make it worth 'my site has ads now'...
mike_c: but, i would say you are more likely to allow a text-only ad. perhaps not.
asciilifeform: mike_c: not if the text is 'lol cockz'
mike_c: yes, well, i am not loper so i don't get to be picky :)
mike_c: i'm actually not doing it for the money. btcalpha isn't meant to be directly monetized.
asciilifeform: mike_c: must confess, i might submit to the indignity of ads on my site if it meant actual money
asciilifeform: mike_c: but who and why would spend actual money on it, is a mystery
mike_c: how much would it take? btc/month.
asciilifeform: mike_c: that's like asking 'how many btc you want for your nail clippings'
asciilifeform: mike_c: say, 10/mo. for either my nail clippings or ads on site.
mike_c: that might not be out of the question.
mike_c: retardtalk gets 50/mo
asciilifeform: lol, what do i need to smoke for this to make sense
mike_c: you're probably already smoking it. you need to have a valuable audience.
asciilifeform: retardtalk is run by expert chumpatronic engineers.
mike_c: so imagine how you could monetize an audience that is not composed of chumps. you're actually selling me here :)
mike_c: who knew ascii was expert negotiator. big "go away" sign on lawn attracts customers
asciilifeform: ever read 'scientific american' pre-'97 or so ?
asciilifeform: they had rather peculiar ad clients
mike_c: hm. don't think so
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asciilifeform: ad contents was heavily geared to the stuff aging 'imperial age' americans with intellectual inclinations might buy. primarily - whiskey.
mike_c: well it wasn't charity. it probably worked.
asciilifeform: ... it didn't work. ad revenue from the fine scotch drinkers did not suffice. magazine was: sold, dumbed down hilariously
mike_c: hm. advertising successfully is hard but not impossible. i don't take this to mean loper couldn't be monetized effectively.
asciilifeform: i'm open to it, so long as serious money and i don't have to promise any kind of detectable result to anyone.
asciilifeform: (have i turned everybody off yet?)
mike_c: nope, that's what vanads is all about. serious money is still TBD.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> mike_c: but who and why would spend actual money on it, is a mystery << Pretty much all I'd spend money on is "lol, cocks" or "White Africa Future" (link to interracial gangbang) or perhaps some other mischeif...
mike_c: yes but you aren't running a consumer facing buisness.
mike_c: WoL will be an advertiser soon.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if you want to pay 10/mo to display 'lol cockz in white africa' i'm game...
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The point of the game is that one never knows when troll ad enters their rotation. Troll ad simply appears
BingoBoingo: Still prolly better than those glossy mining hardware things
BingoBoingo: d-dimer: Is it a clot?
BingoBoingo references of course the test for fibrin degeneration products in the blood, known as a d-dimer
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asciilifeform: i confess i'm somewhat suspicious of anything which suggests to 'monetize' my site, which is more or less the polar inverse of 'monetizable' in the usual sense.
mike_c: well, it's the audience that is monetized.
jborkl: ok, i will report in 30 days how the orange cat article is doing, filled with keywords and nonsense
BingoBoingo: jborkl: lol you forgot to credit where petel got his idea from, and I mean so far its his only one
jborkl: let me correct that, he got it from you if I am reading that correct?
BingoBoingo: jborkl: Well, what does his post say?
jborkl: sorry I was talking to someone else here
mike_c: BingoBoingo: i'm looking for an example for a blog post. who is currently the 2nd best sports bitcoin betting site?
nubbins`: man, i went to fedex to mail some coins and i had to fill out two goddamn enormous forms
nubbins`: so nosy!
mike_c: BingoBoingo: bah, nvmnd, sorry. they all suck.
BingoBoingo: mike_c: That's a good question. Prolly Cloudbet or Nitrogen sports. Maybe Anonibet? All I really do sports betting wise any more off of BitBet is penny bets on baseball and bigger bets against Serena according to the bet against Serena algorithm
mike_c: heh. i didn't see the end the other day, did venus manage to beat her?
BingoBoingo: But yeah, they all have their devoted fanbases and all offer shitty lines now.
BingoBoingo: mike_c: She played venus the other day?
nubbins`: mike_c the grue ate everyone's coin D;
mike_c: yeah, went to third set
BingoBoingo: Line must not have been good enough for me to get pinged
mike_c: nubbins`: should be havelock's tagline :)
BingoBoingo: Oh,, Venus won
mike_c: "Venus topped Serena 6-7 (2), 6-2, 6-3 on Saturday in the hard-court event for her first victory over her sister since 2009 in Dubai."
nubbins`: you know how many goddamn bitcoin i "made" and subsequently "lost" on that fuckin site?
nubbins`: it'd make ya weep
jborkl: BingoBoingo , ok i added the proper credit there
nubbins`: "People can administer this drug fairly unknowingly to someone — an unknowing person — and we've had reports in the past, not so much of ketamine, but we have had reports in the past of these typos of drugs being administered in local establishments," said Curnew.
nubbins`: ^ amazing
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nubbins`: "these typos of drugs"
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BingoBoingo: ;;later tell jborkl Lol, actual credit belongs to the cats
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ben_vulpes: "expert chumpatronic engineers" << quite.
nubbins`: "hello, i was just wondering if you have any positions available. thanks"
nubbins`: ^ second email we've gotten like this
nubbins`: ah, the earnest young
ben_vulpes: "position is work all day. pay is a bed in the corner and scraps from the table. interedast?"
ben_vulpes: ;;8ball do i risk the rain biking back to the office from this client meeting?
gribble: The answer is a resounding no.
ben_vulpes: fu gribble
ben_vulpes: I'M FUCKING DOING IT
ben_vulpes: watch me get drenched
BingoBoingo: !up jdanks
BingoBoingo: !up jdanks1
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BingoBoingo: mike_c: So are you still blogging something today about how they all suck then?
nubbins`: ben_vulpes checked her out on facebook, studied "graphic design" at local college
nubbins`: no thanks
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nubbins`: wow.
assbot: This /hashtag/Ferguson?src=hash thing reminds me of /hashtag/Occupy?src=hash except peaceful protesters actually making /hashtag/TheMan?src=hash tremble with fear
BingoBoingo: I plan on staying on the Illinois side of the river for a while, shit is getting serious
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nubbins`: Personal Brand™
nubbins`: shoot me in the face with a gun
nubbins`: i've seen people ask for advice on how to develop their personal brand
nubbins`: they didn't capitalize it, but you can tell they were doing it in their heads when they wrote it
nubbins`: nothing reeks more of desperation
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Building a personal brand is an excellent advice but these fuckers do it all wrong. Step 1: Call People fuckers Step 2: Get drunk and Markov chain rant a bit... etc
nubbins`: step 3, join this chan and vanish into the babble ;D
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ben_vulpes: lol ssl php ===
BingoBoingo: At least it looks like Libressl portable is making a lot of progess http://opensslrampage.org/
BingoBoingo: Even if the ssl premise is bork'd
BingoBoingo: "Remove disabled (weakened export and non-ephemeral DH) cipher suites from the cipher list. This reduces code size, saves data segment space and prevents them from being turned back on at runtime by flipping a bit in memory."
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 1878190.93 in 2010 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: 0.00
BingoBoingo: Seems given these long block times... Atc is on a long walk to the next diff drop
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: the twitter will get the fro when the right picture comes along :)
pete_dushenski: nubbins`: that bogotan graffiti!
mike_c: BingoBoingo: blog is more about bitcoin gambling.. perhaps focusing on WoL :)
BingoBoingo: mike_c: Cool
assbot: AdrianoOliveira +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
BingoBoingo: !up AdrianoOliveira
BingoBoingo: hello AdrianoOliveira
mike_c: it's getting long. perhaps i'll post as pdf and call it a book.
AdrianoOliveira: hi BingoBoingo, thanks
nubbins`: pete_dushenski +1
nubbins`: they close all the roads in dt bogota every sunday so people can ride bikes w/ their families
nubbins`: fun thing
BingoBoingo: mike_c: If you need someone to proofread your Latex file...
BingoBoingo: AdrianoOliveira: What brings you here?
pete_dushenski: nubbins`: and there's giant outdoor dance lessons in the middle of it all
AdrianoOliveira: Im was looking for info/people trading options on btc and ended up on bitcoin-assets.com
pete_dushenski: cyclo dia
pete_dushenski: or cyclovia or something
AdrianoOliveira: although it doesn't seem to be the right place, i came to check the channel, as i have never been in the channel before
pete_dushenski: we rented some bikes, pretty bush league things but that's what there was
nubbins`: bike is king
BingoBoingo: AdrianoOliveira: Lurk a bit, you might learn something
pete_dushenski: $20/day and these bikes would've been left beside the dumpster in canada, untouched
BingoBoingo: AdrianoOliveira: This is a bit trading nexus, a bit social club
pete_dushenski: AdrianoOliveira: how did you hear about b-a?
BingoBoingo: AdrianoOliveira: This kind of gives the gist of things http://trilema.com/2014/the-forum-and-its-implementation/
assbot: The forum and its implementation. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
BingoBoingo: Huge props to kakobrekla for making this humble channel many moons ago
nubbins`: that's expensive
AdrianoOliveira: pete_dushenski: I follow a link posted on a comment in one of the topics at bitcointalk
nubbins`: we rented rad bikes in amsterdam for i think 9 euro per day
AdrianoOliveira: pete_dushenski: one of the mpex, i think
BingoBoingo: Is there a link back to there we could follow?
pete_dushenski: nubbins`: well see amsterdam knows what to do with tourists
nubbins`: if only tourists knew what to do with bikes ;D
AdrianoOliveira: BingoBoingo: thanks for the advice, I am familiar with irc and I am usually at bitcoin-otc, just didn't know the bitcoin-assets :-)
nubbins`: but yeah, tourism in colombia is decades behind
chetty: AdrianoOliveira, its a good place to hang around and read and learn
nubbins`: you visit a picturesque small town to spend your money and have a good time and maybe bring friends with you next time
pete_dushenski: nubbins`: tis, but the customer service, particularly at the restaurants we went to, was out of this fucking world
nubbins`: you're just as likely to get robbed by a local who doesn't understand that he's shooting himself in the wallet
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 195 Ask: 239 Last Price: 250 24h-Vol: 336k High: 250 Low: 190 VWAP: 216
pete_dushenski: it was so goddam civilized it hurt
pete_dushenski: professional wait staff like that are unknown in canada
nubbins`: i ruptured an eardrum in colombia
pete_dushenski: fairmont or whatever, they have no idea how to make you feel like a king. they're too educated, too "i'm equal"
pete_dushenski: nubbins`: oof
nubbins`: bad eustacian tubes, wanted to scuba dive, lied on the medical questionnaire
mircea_popescu: holy logs sherlock!
nubbins`: couldn't clear left ear, popped drum while trying, ear full of seawater
nubbins`: immediate nausea
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: dig deeper, watson!
nubbins`: still went down for the second dive ;(
mircea_popescu: <mike_c> mircea_popescu:mike_c hey, how about a bitcoin mud platform ? << zork for bitcoin? the grue ate your coin? << more like a platform, so people can make their own muds but have some basic tools (btc payments, [blockchain based] random dungeon generator etc)
mike_c: sounds interesting, but doesn't sound profitable.
mircea_popescu: more of a culture sort of thing than a business sort of thing.
mike_c: then it sounds like fun, which I don't have time for unfortunately.
atcbot: 4 minutes and 13 seconds
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 1878190.93 in 2008 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: 0.00
mircea_popescu: jus' puttin' it out there.
mike_c: i'm too busy writing my book
BingoBoingo: My new friend here does MUDS he could probably do Bitcoin MUDS http://imgur.com/f3WZB3R
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
nubbins`: mike_c paste a link to the pdf when you're done, yes?
nubbins`: also: you don't have time for fun? D:
mike_c: penguirker will find it. it's the b-a library of congress
BingoBoingo: I swear my first IRL bitcoin meetup might involve the next person who professes to have self published "The Book on Bitcoin" without the slightest familiarity with the Chicago Manual of style
assbot: The Codeless Code: Case 134 Thin Ice
mircea_popescu: mike_c sexual congress i hope.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller: how so if you don't support basic news print ads? It's 2014 not 1014 << you know people can just upload their jpg and be done with it if they want,.
nubbins`: what in the world is a jpg
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: thestringpuller: That doesn't seem to be implemented yet...
nubbins`: answer: jotion picture (experts) group
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo the idea being that you can dump whatever text/images you have/care to and van will sort out some kind of ad out of it.
mircea_popescu: if you just want to make specified banners, fine, do that.
pete_dushenski: nubbins`: it's a Jaguar-Panther-tiGer
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: That's for others. I like the "Bold Text, Bold Claims" approach to ad buying myself
pete_dushenski: sort of a mystical beast, unknown anywhere but the most remote jungles of south asia
mircea_popescu: but anyway, the notion is to leave the whole "profession" of designers without employment.
nubbins`: try hiragino kaku gothic pro bold
nubbins`: beauty of a font
mircea_popescu: because if one ca'n't get paid "designiong" ads anymore, they can't get paid designing period.
mircea_popescu: so whatever, if it's successful nubbins` will love us for it.
mircea_popescu: but if you;'re gonna be subversive, you gotta actually be subversive.
nubbins`: the more i work, the more i feel like the word "design" is a poor descriptor for what i do
mircea_popescu: so win-win then.
mircea_popescu: o look, btcscoop.com already live and getting accolades ?
nubbins`: i blame all the "designers"
BingoBoingo: Killing the design industries, just another Tuesday
nubbins`: someone says "yeah i'm a graphic designer", i get my list ready and ask them what their full name is
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Yeah, peterl is on that
mircea_popescu: nubbins` dude you're just not getting it.
mircea_popescu: you're supposed to call me a religious leader and complain of ad hominem
mircea_popescu: THIS IS NOT HOW NORMAL DEBATES WORK
nubbins`: i thought we were all in agreement
mircea_popescu: ;;google kalvin clein nevertheless
gribble: Escape Calvin Klein perfume - a fragrance for women 1991: <http://www.fragrantica.com/perfume/Calvin-Klein/Escape-271.html>; Polo Ralph Lauren Wholesale Free Shipping, 100% Original & Easy ...: <http://www.omnibiography.com/?p=Polo+Ralph+Lauren+Wholesale>; Emerald Insight | The internationalization of the high fashion brand ...: (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: WAIT I BLOGGED HYPNOTIC TOAD IMAGE TODAY I RELIGULOUS LEADER
BingoBoingo: Or is that someother sort of toad
mircea_popescu: it's a frog.
assbot: kramer at calvin klein - YouTube
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Nah, the thing I posted today is a toad, has warts
BingoBoingo: !up AdrianoOliveira
nubbins`: hypnotoad? he's a toad
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Wait not all toads hypno?
mircea_popescu: i guess i don't know my amphibians.
asciilifeform: ;;google hypnotoad
gribble: Hypnotoad - Futurama Wiki, the Futurama database: <http://futurama.wikia.com/wiki/Hypnotoad>; Everybody Loves Hypnotoad - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AOfbnGkuGc>; r33b.net - ALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOTOAD!: <http://r33b.net/>
asciilifeform: ^ that one
BingoBoingo: If it was a frog that big, its legs would have been fired. Toad... not so much.
BingoBoingo: *fried
mircea_popescu: so for the ecologists still clinging on to the logs somehow : argentina heats on electricity, has no insulation and does not care.
nubbins`: take this poster, for example: http://imgur.com/LWe1Gfj
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
nubbins`: i'm proud of it, and the bands who paid for it thought it was great
nubbins`: but did i "design" it?
mircea_popescu: i have three holes in my wall about ten square inches total, wind blows through freely. i burned > 100kwh this month so far. they dun give a shit. thsi is normal here.
nubbins`: sure, in the sense that the sanitation engineer collected my trash this morning
mircea_popescu: nubbins` ideally van will be able to do that on its own
nubbins`: sure, it's just colors and shapes
mircea_popescu: eventually. once ben_vulpes figures out the basics of how to install servers and stuff
nubbins`: computers r hard
mircea_popescu: ;;google site:clientsfromhell.com "it's easy if you know what you're doing"
gribble: No matches found.
asciilifeform 1100+ kWh (july)
nubbins`: funny, someone in -otc linked that site about 10 minutes ago
mircea_popescu: ;;seen organofcorti
gribble: organofcorti was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 years, 8 weeks, 0 days, 17 hours, 6 minutes, and 41 seconds ago: <organofcorti> Hey, does anyone know what the cost to reissue an expired bond is?
mircea_popescu: dude come back, we like your blog.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ac or what ?
nubbins`: i'm in a rather enviable position, in that half the people i do work for just give me full artistic liberty
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ac, waterheater, doubleconvertingups
mircea_popescu: shit. i thought i was excessive but 1mwh ?!
nubbins`: i did a run of silkscreened posters yesterday and the client saw the design for the first time when he exchanged a wad of cash for them
nubbins`: i generally try not to brag about this around people who earn a living as "graphic designers"
nubbins`: their rage scares me
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ac is ~70% of it
mircea_popescu: mike_c: or, more to the point, say trilema was actually running an ad slot (hint hint). << i'd rather buy, honestly.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` isn't it great, having a free brag space ?
nubbins`: one of the reasons i come here
mircea_popescu: i thought you just liked the enchiladas.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Any other year situation would be similar here with power, but having a "temperate" year
nubbins`: if by that you mean circular conversations, then YES :D
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: very 'temperate' year here, as well.
BingoBoingo: "Polar Vortex" was unkind this winter but welcome now
mircea_popescu: mike_c: you're probably already smoking it. you need to have a valuable audience. << the proposition that tardstalk has a valuable audience is outrageous.
BingoBoingo: Several weeks with AC off and windows open
mike_c: hehe. somebody's got buy all those miners.
BingoBoingo: Which would normally never happen in July
mircea_popescu: mike_c it's more like, van is a piggy bank. if i start pulling money out rather than pushing money in it'll prolly debalance it.
asciilifeform has no solid clue who reads his site, other than a multitude of trilema readers
mircea_popescu: not so different from atc really.
mike_c: so take all the revenue and use it buy ads.
nubbins`: asciilifeform time for a poll ;D
mircea_popescu: i don't net buy or net sell based on what i want, but based on what everyone else is doing
nubbins`: HAHAHAHAHA
mircea_popescu is suspicious of distortion but definitely more thinking will go int this
mike_c: pulling out/pushing in implies a closed system.
mircea_popescu: how is it open ?
mike_c: including a trilema ad slot could increase the supply in general and rise all boats.
mike_c: it's open cuz anyone can buy ads
mircea_popescu: this will definitely need some moar thinking.
mike_c: trilema slot would increase awareness of vanads and bring more advertisers?
mike_c: which could benefit all venues
mike_c: who wouldn't want to fill trilema's slot?
mike_c: hehehe
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: i'm open to it, so long as serious money and i don't have to promise any kind of detectable result to anyone. << van is kinda tailored for that last part, at least.
mircea_popescu: mike_c one of the things i did was have ppls prepare code so i can show ads to non-cookied users only.
mircea_popescu: amazingly, this can actually be done.
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
asciilifeform prepares for spam school
mike_c: amazingly? perhaps for a php dev. seems easy.
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
mircea_popescu: mike_c gotta appreciate trilema runs a custom string of hacks off 6 yo wp
asciilifeform isn't sure who is crazy enough to buy ad on his site, however
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Just post cats, google images will send traffic
mike_c: ah ascii, i can see you are beings sucked in. join the crowd! peer pressure!
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i get a ludicrous amount of traffic from google images
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: More than actual google, right?
assbot: lisp machine - Google Search
asciilifeform: 6 or 7 - mine...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: i confess i'm somewhat suspicious of anything which suggests to 'monetize' my site, which is more or less the polar inverse of 'monetizable' in the usual sense. << in fairness, i don't believe 90%+ of the derpage emitted by "advertising industry" in any way applies to van stuff.
mircea_popescu: "monetizing" a fine example among it.
assbot: hypercard - Google Search
asciilifeform: ^ 4 or 5
BingoBoingo: ;;google noise canceling toad
gribble: #002 - Honda Accord insulation to cut down road noise. - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epzsMv95ebg>; Noise pollution - Property Law: <http://www.findlaw.co.uk/law/property/other_property_law_topics/8962.html>; Quiet, Please! How to Cut Noise Pollution at Home - Houzz: <http://www.houzz.com/ideabooks/13825501/list/quiet-please-how-to-cut-noise-pollution-at-home>
mike_c: hm, derpage aside, the point of advertising is to make money.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell thickasthieves look at this http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/altcoin/ you
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gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: re rich now.
mircea_popescu: mike_c is the point of fucking to make money ?
mike_c: for some people. not me though.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i don't believe 90%+ of the derpage emitted by "advertising industry" << precisely this. as i understand, cargo cult.
mircea_popescu: if advertising is to survive, it'll have to invent itself as something else than medieval "fuck so wife makes more peons which make more koku"
mike_c: wtf else is there?
mike_c: for advertising.
mircea_popescu: that's not a valid objection.
mircea_popescu: (also known as appeal to ignorance)
mike_c: ok. then this: what use does vanads present other than to help advertisers make money?
mircea_popescu: i have no idea if it helps them make money or not, but it allows them to get places they wouldn't get otherwise.
mircea_popescu: more like the wot than like the btc.
mircea_popescu: not that the two are divorced or orthogonal or anything.
mircea_popescu: to get back to fucking, ever left money on the nightstand of a woman that ~wasn't~ a whore ?
mike_c: not directly. indirectly? every one.
mircea_popescu: right-o.
mircea_popescu: that said, i have nfi. we're mostly guessing here.
mircea_popescu: all across the board that is.
mike_c: your analogy sucks.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> to get back to fucking, ever left money on the nightstand of a woman that ~wasn't~ a whore ? << SUre, I wanted cigarettes when I came to
nubbins`: "the average canadian spends more on taxes than on food, shelter and clothing combined"
mircea_popescu: nubbins` does the average canadian also get more food, shelter and clothing from the government than he gets on his own dime ?
nubbins`: as an above-average canadian, i cannot say with any degree of certainty
mircea_popescu: well yea you get moose sausage and whatnot.
nubbins`: gotta pay for the moose license
nubbins`: well. someone does
nubbins`: all i gotta pay for is casings
mircea_popescu: mike_c your adhominem religious leadership aside, this whole discussion dovetails neatly into the converse, ascii's curiosity as to why am i giving bitdimes to random sluts.
mircea_popescu: well... there's apparently reasons. have i made money ?
nubbins`: "According to the Vancouver-based think-tank, the average Canadian family earned $77,381 in 2013 and paid $32,369 in total taxes — or 41.8 per cent of income — compared with 36.1 per cent for food, shelter and clothing combined."
mike_c: not yet. that's different from simply no.
mircea_popescu: have i made money supporting openbsd ?
mike_c: yes
mike_c: although accidentally
nubbins`: heh.
nubbins`: got ya on a technicality
mircea_popescu: the fact that when openssl got shot in the head there was someone there to pick the pieces...
mircea_popescu: i mean, reality being complex, evaluating how you make money becomes untrivial.
mircea_popescu: as wall street finds out every sixteen months.
mike_c: sure. ads increase awareness way beyond CTR.
mircea_popescu: ads also allow people to live.
asciilifeform: evaluating how you make money becomes untrivial >> for us peons it's pretty easy though
mircea_popescu: some people you might depend on.
mircea_popescu: i played solforge, some card trading game, and as for the past 500 games i played for more than 2 hours, i paid them something
mircea_popescu: ten or fiddy or i don't remember.
nubbins`: can't have nice things if you don't want to pay for them
nubbins`: get this: i buy music :0
mircea_popescu: maybe this doesn't make me any money, or maybe this is the last thing that keeps playable games available which is what keeps me from killing andreas for realz.
mike_c: ok, but vanads as tipbox.. idk. ascii won't join for 5 doge.
mircea_popescu: it's not the argument.
mircea_popescu: from the position of the ad buyer, i was more than once confronted with endless lists of "venues" to buy space on.
mircea_popescu: what did i buy on ? i couldn't care less about the "numbers"
mircea_popescu: numbers can and universally are faked.
mircea_popescu: i bought on oglaf and other respectable comics. why ?
mircea_popescu: well... specifically because they were respectable.
mircea_popescu: and the thought in my head was "i'd buy the whole book, if i had a guarantee your book is all respectable folk, no mfa, no shit. no torrents w/e"
mircea_popescu: so my rationale is, make a place which actually only lists legitimate venues, people won't have the problem i had anymore.
asciilifeform: re: tips: phun phact. my largest donor, a fellow claiming to be zooko wilcox-ohearn (of the 'zooko's triangle.')
assbot: Loper OS » On the fact that Bitcoin has a Kill Switch; and how to disconnect it.
mircea_popescu: may have other problems, sure. generally we don't see th eproblems we don't have anymore. like in this oglaf comic :
asciilifeform: ^ 1.0101101
assbot: Chronotherapy
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's pretty cool.
asciilifeform: 0b10101101 == 173 -> ascii '{'
asciilifeform: no idea what this symbolizes.
mike_c: i dunno. luckily we don't have to come to agreement because we will see what happens. i do agree it is something worth trying.
BingoBoingo: And this is why Batman beats Superman, he solves problems Superman can't afford to know exist.
mircea_popescu: that's not really how it works sadly. we'll have to argue it whether it succeeds or fails
mike_c: but we'll have more evidence to argue with
mircea_popescu: because the argument of why it did either can't be put to rest by the mere observation that it did it.
mircea_popescu: that's fo sho.
mircea_popescu: for the admittedly slanted view from my tower however, i can definitely say that i would trade a billion visitors from twitter for a thousand visitors fro whatever,
mircea_popescu: zooko's blog.
mircea_popescu: i guess at the basest, anticonsumerism consists on making businesses not dependant on consumers and the govt dole that supports them.
mircea_popescu: taleb'd call this antifragile businesses.
asciilifeform: !s charity trilema
mircea_popescu: related, but quite distinct.
asciilifeform: how distinct?
mircea_popescu: about on the degree of the distinction between going for a play and going to the doctor.
mircea_popescu: they're both professional venues where experts do something to your benefit.
asciilifeform: anticonsumerism consists on making businesses not dependant on consumers >> the old, essentially bulletproof explanation for death of art and science.
assbot: The /hashtag/Ferguson?src=hash police look more militarized now than the actual National Guard, here from the 1967 Newark riots: http://t.co/qk3CKqSp8o
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: nice little preview of usa when 'the holiday' comes.
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
assbot: ClubOrlov: The Rationale behind the Boston Psy-ops
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I think Fergeson is the application of the Boston lessons.
BingoBoingo: Still I plan on keeping to Illinois this weekend.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform since you linked http://www.loper-os.org/?p=939 dja know what stotting is ?
assbot: Loper OS » Bitcoin, or How to Hammer in Nails with a Microscope.
asciilifeform: certainly
BingoBoingo: Fergeson is in North county, but West and South County have had riots as well
asciilifeform: also known as 'peacocking'
mircea_popescu: there';s no need for fiddy billion people to be smart.
mircea_popescu: fiddy billion people can be anything they want. all it takes is one.
asciilifeform: the N - 1 neolithic folks who didn't discover fire, yes.
mircea_popescu: mike_c: BingoBoingo: bah, nvmnd, sorry. they all suck. <.
kyuupichan: ;;nethash
gribble: 180239894.005
asciilifeform wrote 'nails' piece when he thought the 50b matter
BingoBoingo: !up peterl
BingoBoingo: !up the20year
BingoBoingo: !up TheNewDeal
peterl: !up
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: presently you can do a kind of basic 'iq filter' just by, e.g. ignoring anything whatsoever distributed as an ms-word turd << ya think ?! :D
asciilifeform: it's only a very basic filter.
mircea_popescu: BigBitz: such irony. << they deserve it for using lastpass, srsly.
mircea_popescu: the idiocy of it knows no bounds.
BingoBoingo: peterl: Nice work
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: seven nekkid gals reading the news in seven different languages at the same time > F5 << omfg you haxt my cameras ?!
kakobrekla: i dont have a better explanation.
mircea_popescu: pankkake: that's how you spot a tiny penis <<lol maybe you're just mean.
mircea_popescu: !up leochilll
mircea_popescu: artifexd: http://cryptopals.com/ <- some nice lessons teaching how crypto works, how to attack it, and how easy it is to screw it up << this is useful & interesting.
assbot: The Matasano Crypto Challenges
asciilifeform remembers the rsa key challenge and its quiet disappearance
mircea_popescu: yea what happened to that ?
asciilifeform: they pulled it.
asciilifeform: said only 'this isn't needed any more'
mircea_popescu: course some older readers may recall the phuctor and it's quiet quietness. not everything is a they.
asciilifeform: it's still there; hungry.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony lol not bad that guy. is he the real jeff jarvis ? :D
BingoBoingo: Real Jeff Jarvis comes in later all butthurt
[]bot: Bet created: "Gold above $1300 on October 1st" http://bitbet.us/bet/1022/
mircea_popescu: http://www.economist.com/blogs/economist-explains/2014/08/economist-explains-7 << this is a typically fuctarded article as one'd have come to expect out of the economist.
assbot: The Economist explains: Why the price of commercial sex is falling | The Economist
mircea_popescu: " Location matters too. Prostitutes in San Francisco, where the cost of living is high, charge more than those in cheaper cities such as Prague."
mircea_popescu: a) the idiots in san francisco were whining a month ago about how $10/sq foot is "outside of what a "normal" business can pay in rent"
mircea_popescu: prague is more expensive than that.
TheNewDeal: ridiculous bet
TheNewDeal: kitko is showing gold above 1300 RIGHT NOW
mircea_popescu: b) europeans are not fucktarded about sex like the us barbarians are.
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal it can drop can't it ?
mircea_popescu: "THE ECONOMIST has analysed 190,000 profiles of female sex workers on websites where customers post reviews. The data cover 84 cities in 12 countries, with the biggest number of workers in America and most of the rest in big cities in rich countries. According to our analysis, the price of an hour of sex with a female prostitute has been dropping fairly steadily in recent years. In 2006 the average cost was around $340
mircea_popescu: . By 2014 it had dropped to about $260."
TheNewDeal: the bet doesn't say CLOSE
TheNewDeal: price above at any point
mircea_popescu: this is roughly the equivalent of scrapping seo blogs to get the average revenue of a seo expert.
mircea_popescu: let the permanent record permanently reflect the permanent fact that the economist is a piece of toilet paper upon which down syndrome patients scribble whatever shit happens through their head.
leochilll: aka the "subtle shill" per
leochilll: periodical
mircea_popescu: who might you be ?
TheNewDeal: ooooh I get this now
BingoBoingo: I dunno mircea_popescu you're being awfully harsh on downs syndrome patients comparing them to the economist
leochilll: just a bitcoin fan sick of the propaganda!
mike_c: TheNewDeal: how did you WoL bets go?
TheNewDeal: it's a european call style
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal exactly.
TheNewDeal: good of course
mike_c: glad to hear it
peterl: BingoBoingo: thanks, still working on it
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.3200207 = 0.64 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: peterl: Just a suggestion, you don't have to follow it, but make your own WP theme, keeps shit simpler
peterl: yeah, I just grabbed one to get started, I am planning on rewriting most of it as I go
BingoBoingo: peterl: "Toolbox" is a decent blank slate to shape to your whims
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.3210001 = 0.642 BTC [+]
TheNewDeal: just curious - why did the URO bet get cancelled. Shitty resolution resource?
BingoBoingo: Prolly jsut shitty thing to bet on
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal shitty coin. people wanna advertise on bitbet, might as well either outright buy it or else put some money down.
mircea_popescu: im not paying people shareholder $$$ to advertise their dog's vomit.
TheNewDeal: but then why accept the bet?
mircea_popescu: noob mod.
TheNewDeal: gotcha
TheNewDeal: I couldn't care less about URO, hadn't heard of it until the bet.
TheNewDeal: Would rather go by kilos of piss on the street - will be worth more tomorrow
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19282 @ 0.00073975 = 14.2639 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: !Up Graet
BingoBoingo: !up princessnell
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5700 @ 0.00073975 = 4.2166 BTC [-]
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> eventually. once ben_vulpes figures out the basics of how to install servers and stuff << i've got the basics down pretty well. sifting through the midden without bringing the whole heap down on oneself is far beyond basics.
mircea_popescu: one day i'll figure out the basics of being nice.
ben_vulpes: "i could but fuck it"?
mircea_popescu: s/it/her/
BingoBoingo: mike_c: How comes your book?
mike_c: working on illustrations
mircea_popescu: can it has tits ?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform, mike_c, mircea_popescu: seems like there's some demand for an ad slot that's invisible unless paid for with a venue-specified minimum bid per day.
mircea_popescu: owner can just put a bid.
mircea_popescu: no need for code.
BingoBoingo: ^ that
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: What evidence suggests that...
mike_c: yeah, i'm not demanding that.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes welcome to the empire of good design, where most customer requests get a "no need for new code, you're doing it wrong" from management.
mircea_popescu: i hear it's a thing to behold.
assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1D7W855.txt )
ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: i don't believe 90%+ of the derpage emitted by "advertising industry" << precisely this. as i understand, cargo cult.
BingoBoingo: TimSwanson: I know reading is hard in caves in Romania << Where is dude's intel department?
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell TimSwanson Hello http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/08/04/malpidity/ Sorry I was too drunk last night and passed out before we could meet
assbot: Malpidity | Bingo Blog
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: actually romania has an extensive network of caves and carstic phenomena.
mircea_popescu: it's like florida only walkable.
BingoBoingo: Missouri has a lot of Karst geology as well. Most pictures of "Nature" in Romania remind me of the Ozarks
mircea_popescu: karstic*
mircea_popescu: yeah just about, same geology
BingoBoingo: Lots of water raping a lot of limestone
BingoBoingo: TimSwanson: You said I was a "environmental scholar" << You are whether you admit it or not.
mircea_popescu: no actually he's a highschool english teacher
mircea_popescu: or w/e tefl qualifies you for.
assbot: The Thumbs « Michael W Lucas
mircea_popescu: the environment derp is a different tim swanson
asciilifeform just unpacked a small lathe, that was wrapped in perhaps 100 metres of... sandwich wrap.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Nah, this Tim Swanson is totally an environmental derp, but English is a sloppy language.
asciilifeform could only think 'alien cocoon'
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: for example "TimSwanson: I work doing market research for Bitcoin companies" << He studies mosses and Lichen
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what if one of these days you'll unwrap a gift to find a weird egg or somesuch
asciilifeform: ;;google hans rickheit
gribble: Hans Rickheit - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Rickheit>; Chrome Fetus - The Comix of Hans Rickheit: <http://chromefetus.blogspot.com/>; CHLOE by Hans RIckheit - Ectopiary: <http://www.ectopiary.com/chloe.html>
assbot: hans rickheit - Google Search
assbot: Anonymous wifi the latest casualty of Russia net neurosis The Register
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-08-2014#792217 << Definitely established as a lie
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i say one thing, derp reads what's preloaded in his stupid head. then i say "you're too stupid to understand what's being said", derp figures i'm "attacking" him.
mircea_popescu: too bad so sad etc.
BingoBoingo: This Swanson dicklick makes me want to stay pseudonymous forever, with my real name still an open secret among all WoTty people who care to ask. Just so silly onomatapeia can be more real then Tim, the San Fransisco Man
mircea_popescu: congrats to fluffypony FabianB dignork mthreat justusranvier
asciilifeform: Morloch << a moloch worshipped by morlocks?
mircea_popescu: lol i guess so.
mike_c: kakobrekla doesn't have a single negative rating. what a nice guy.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform footnoted.
kakobrekla: yeah well pirate didnt either
mircea_popescu: mike_c he gets banned a lot.
mike_c: that is true. i guess he only pisses off people that don't matter
mircea_popescu: or pisses them off enough they can't remember their passwords
assbot: Arta pedepsirii pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you understand that ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Yeah.
mircea_popescu: your romanian is impressive by now.
BingoBoingo: Enough for and English speaker
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Nah, my romanian is shit. I can't speak it and barely translate it. My reading though is improving.
mircea_popescu: if you can actually read trilema you're above about a third of native speakers.
BingoBoingo: I doubt I could read much non-Trilema romanian though.
BingoBoingo: Basically for a Trilema I map the grammer and then dictionary the words
mircea_popescu: this is how one comprehends a text.
BingoBoingo: Then again not many English speakers have done better with post switch trilema compared to pre-switch have they?
mircea_popescu: it's what i have the slavegirls do when in doubt.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> this is how one comprehends a text. << Rarely taught in US. Surprised classmates when in Spinoza class I told them my secret weapon was posterboard for mapping things to other things.
BingoBoingo: But how else does one do geometry of a medium more portable than a chalkboard?
mircea_popescu: it was taught just about a thousand years ago in teh monasteries.
BingoBoingo: But secular humanist emoting!!! Old is bad, new is mestraul painting. Don't worry about OSHA no helmet required.
BingoBoingo: !up peterl
BingoBoingo: When I tried philosophy grad school everyone got in pissing matches over who read Whitehead or Russel, but how many other gave a shot at their Principia they did together? 0
mircea_popescu: hence "impudent cocklets"
BingoBoingo: Because apparently Logos is the least important area of Philosophy
BingoBoingo: I mean if you are making love to knowledge Logos is basically the tits
assbot: Bleichenbacher's e=3 RSA Attack
mircea_popescu: ahh this is so sweet.
mircea_popescu: in other words, "find anyone implementing e=3 pseudocrypto and fire them"
copumpkin: that's how the first iphone unlock worked
ben_vulpes: !s old time
mircea_popescu: copumpkin exactly.
ben_vulpes: !s rosenfeld
BingoBoingo: As far as the teaching Assistant part of being a grad student goes going from freshman logic to babysitting pharm students was a godsend. The latter FEARED the material they were studying.
mircea_popescu: nothing beats material that can punch you in the gut.
assbot: DSA nonce recovery from repeated nonce
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.3199838 = 0.96 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12800 @ 0.00073906 = 9.46 BTC [-] {2}
kakobrekla: !up danielpbarron
kakobrekla: i just got the other message.
mike_c: BingoBoingo: be the amazing!
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
BingoBoingo: mike_c: Lol, you noticed
mike_c: publishing my novel
mircea_popescu: i thought it was a book
mircea_popescu: IS IT ALSO A NOVEL!?!?
mike_c: hm. novels are fiction, right? i guess not.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 46 @ 0.01180153 = 0.5429 BTC [-] {4}
BingoBoingo: ;;later tellTimSwanson I don't have to be a Bitcoin Taliban to understand how it works << Actually the model is more like ISIS
gribble: Error: The "Later" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "tellTimSwanson" in it. Try "list Later" to see the commands in the "Later" plugin.
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell TimSwanson I don't have to be a Bitcoin Taliban to understand how it works << Actually the model is more like ISIS
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> if you can actually read trilema you're above about a third of native speakers. << You know on this point alone if Silicon Valley really cared about BTC they'd be wining and dinign me by nao
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28145 @ 0.00074229 = 20.8918 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: e=3 >> this is a schoolboy mistake - even schneier's red book as i recall warned against it
assbot: Police Officer Caught On Video Calling Michael Brown Protesters 'F***ing Animals'
assbot: Surreal Video, Images Out of Ferguson as Unrest Resumes Following Shooting of Unarmed Teen: I Cant Believe This Is Happening | Video | TheBlaze.com
assbot: Twitter / jasonplusone: "@BigBoi: Wow ! This cop points ...
BingoBoingo: "@BigBoi: Wow ! This cop points his AR at an unarmed ward Alderman. RT @AntonioFrench: #Ferguson https://vine.co/v/MYZmwD9Dqhu " #MartialLaw
assbot: Right now in #Ferguson
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 195 Ask: 239 Last Price: 250 24h-Vol: 336k High: 250 Low: 190 VWAP: 216
mike_c: i don't know about you guys, but my blog posts are done when i can't stand to look at them anymore.
BingoBoingo: mike_c: It's like that for about 50% of mine
decimation: re: swanson << his writings make sense if you assume he is ignorant of Gresham's law
decimation: and also lacking sense
BingoBoingo: decimation: That doesn't explain his ignorance of how to structure a document he is going to try to label a "book"
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 1878190.93 in 2005 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: 0.00
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 315356 | Current Difficulty: 1.9729645940577133E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 316511 | Next Difficulty In: 1155 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 21 hours, 59 minutes, and 16 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 24113710923.3 | Estimated Percent Change: 22.2207
decimation: you see a book is a container that holds words that you vomit
BingoBoingo: decimation: Still, the container has a standard form. Toilets can have different looks, but are recognizable as toilets.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16150 @ 0.00074076 = 11.9633 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: <mike_c> i don't know about you guys, but my blog posts are done when i can't stand to look at them anymore. << i take about half an hour.
BingoBoingo: I've spent anywhere from 30 minutes to a day and a half depending on the post.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo not the frenc ones.
decimation: moldbug describes how all prices will be recalculated once the world passes from the dollar through the bitcoin-vortex
decimation: someone standing on the shore today sees only a ripple where that vortex will one day consume everything
asciilifeform: decimation: the 'monetary restandardization' piece, yes
mircea_popescu: i wasn't aware curtis switched camps to pro-btc
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Honestly I often spend more time trying to make the stupid posts less stupid then say fuck it and hit publish
decimation: I'm riffing a bit, he was talking about gold mainly
mircea_popescu: when did that happen ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: he was never 'anti' in the usual sense, just very pessimistic
decimation: he did mention bitcoin at the end
asciilifeform: 'gasenwagen will come surely'
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo never bother with the stupid.
assbot: Unqualified Reservations: On monetary restandardization
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It's a work in progress
decimation: he thinks usg will stop bitcoin - I don't find that a very credible thesis.
assbot: Unqualified Reservations: Bitcoin is money, Bitcoin is a bubble
decimation: I just mentally edit his posts with s//gold/bitcoin/
asciilifeform: he thinks usg << could've, too, if the hearts had bled on schedule. bullet whistled by.
BingoBoingo: ;;calc 364/12
gribble: 30.3333333333
BingoBoingo: Eh a month to walk to Mexico sounds right
decimation: "On the dollar's last day as a meaningful unit of account, total dollar net worth is at its historical peak. ... Best of all, unlike theglobe.com, this boom is sustainable. Ideally, it terminates in an allocated BITCOIN standard with no debt - the American and European economies at present, of course, being brutally overcapitalized. "
decimation: THis is another mistake swanson makes. THe idea that transactions are so costly in dollar terms is quite irrelvant to bitcoin holders.
decimation: becuase once the world has passed through the bitcoin vortex, all prices will be recalculated - and there's no formula to get from here to there
BingoBoingo: decimation: Well, in the San Francisco world of Bitcoin ATM's transactions actually do cost $40 or $50 above spot
decimation: somehow the fact that bitgo and xapo have raised money means that bitcoin is expensive to secure
BingoBoingo: Nah, it means there's people with too much fiat who can't be arsed to secure it themselves yet
decimation: man I thought mircea was hard on the guy but after reading a few pages of the book he deserves worse
BingoBoingo: decimation: I toldl you.
BingoBoingo: Also the fucking page numbering, lack of citation style, etc
decimation: I'm trying to figure out what his angle is. What rich prince (perhaps in his mind) wants poorly-written anti-bitcoin pablum?
BingoBoingo: decimation: Well... To be determined
mircea_popescu: <decimation> I just mentally edit his posts with s//gold/bitcoin/ << that's a way to go about it. prolly would have made hitler quite palatable too
mircea_popescu: s/jews/racists
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron i wouldn't bother.
mircea_popescu: decimation> man I thought mircea was hard on the guy but after reading a few pages of the book he deserves worse << and importantly, i read no pages of the book.
mircea_popescu: this heuristic must be valuable.
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