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bitcoinpete: anything for a price ;)
RebeccaBitcoin: now you're talking
bitcoinpete: never heard about this shady past though
RebeccaBitcoin: I spent like 18 mins googling him
bitcoinpete: only thing i know of was satoshi circle iirc
bitcoinpete: sold it for 6 figures i think
RebeccaBitcoin: ya, which is kinda illegal gambling but that's hardly sahdy
RebeccaBitcoin: I was hoping for some sort of elaborate scam
bitcoinpete: it's called ethereum
RebeccaBitcoin: a previous elaborate scam
bitcoinpete: i'm sure mircea_popescu could recommend a private eye if you really must know ;)
bitcoinpete: mike_c: bitcoinpete is a pretty good bitcoin-assets marketer. << well don't mind if i do :D
RebeccaBitcoin: Now only if it wasn't so complicated to get on here
RebeccaBitcoin: make a username, choose a password, GPG gribble nonsense
RebeccaBitcoin: and then to make it worse, I have to do gribble every time I log on
Duffer1: it's training
Duffer1: valuable habits
RebeccaBitcoin: I'm like a pro at internet security
RebeccaBitcoin: I store my coins in a brain wallet
RebeccaBitcoin: becky'scoins
RebeccaBitcoin: it has a ' so that makes it more seure
Duffer1: i thought i was too, till i got attacked a couple weeks ago, read the logs
Duffer1: thoroghly compromised
bitcoinpete: Duffer1: but weren't you using windows ?
Duffer1: yea
Duffer1: i know i know
BingoBoingo: <bitcoinpete> Duffer1: but weren't you using windows ? << People can screw the pooch on Linux too
bitcoinpete: it's easier to skin your knees on a skateboard than in a car
RebeccaBitcoin: well said
Duffer1: they didn't get anything except a piece of pride :P
RebeccaBitcoin: because you had no coins or because you have them well secured
RebeccaBitcoin: That must be depressing for hackers. Hack into someone's computer, and they have no bitcoins.
Duffer1: offline purpose built laptop
RebeccaBitcoin: especially if they should have coins
Duffer1: i don't believe my comp was infilitrated, they attacked my services
RebeccaBitcoin: If someone makes a bot that steals coins from brain wallets
RebeccaBitcoin: is that unethical
Duffer1: to try to gain access to coinbase, which did have access to my bank account
RebeccaBitcoin: I assume coinbase has 2factor
Duffer1: yea
bitcoinpete: RebeccaBitcoin: is hacking ethical ?
bitcoinpete: sure it is
bitcoinpete: it's a necessary force
Duffer1: but the attacker knew my cell number / provider and tried to set up call forwarding for the coinbase 2fa token
Duffer1: anyways the point is, i learned a security mindset from b-a, gpg reinforced the habit
Duffer1: and the attacker is empty handed
RebeccaBitcoin: I'm back
RebeccaBitcoin: did I miss anything
RebeccaBitcoin: I'm guessing not
dub: there are logs
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5959 @ 0.00081738 = 4.8708 BTC [+]
RebeccaBitcoin: ah I did miss something
RebeccaBitcoin: Duffer taught me that if I use windows, I have to regularly use GPG to protect myself
Duffer1: lol if you use any system you can still get owned if they know enough about you and get some tier one wanker to change an email pw
asciilifeform: Duffer1 keeps his root pw in his mailbox ?
RebeccaBitcoin: isn't that the safest place?
RebeccaBitcoin: root pw in your gmail
asciilifeform: 2nd only to one's arse
Duffer1: hehe ofc not
RebeccaBitcoin: Its always a good idea to have an email to yourself with the subject passwords
RebeccaBitcoin: put all your usernames and passwords in there
asciilifeform: the ones that set off the thermite.
RebeccaBitcoin: and make sure your passwords have some $ signs in them
RebeccaBitcoin: that makes them safer, especiailly if money is involved
dub: changing e to 3 makes passwords secure
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> the ones that set off the thermite. << lol
RebeccaBitcoin: good suggestion dub
RebeccaBitcoin: I'll change my brainwallet to b3cky'scoins
RebeccaBitcoin: also, one other pro tip: If you use google authenticator 2 factor, its always a good idea to save the QR code pic in your gmail with your passwords
RebeccaBitcoin: that way if you lose your phone when out clubbing or whatever, you can re-scan it
pete_dushenski: ;;rate nanotube 2 there when you need him
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 2 for user nanotube has been recorded.
TheNewDeal: !s lawgs
RebeccaBitcoin: Pete gave into Miracea's peer pressure from last night?
TheNewDeal: Rebecca, I was gone earlier, but here's your answer to "Did I miss anything ?" https://imgflip.com/i/9iu9z
assbot: Image tagged in lawgs - Imgflip
cazalla: can't believe bitcoinpete gave in :\
pete_dushenski: RebeccaBitcoin: i blame benkay and his crap typing skills
pete_dushenski: cazalla: sorta the straw that broke the camel's back
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2014/07/saving-face.html << possibly interesting to you
assbot: ClubOrlov: Saving Face
pete_dushenski: benkay: she just doesn't have moosedickpete's heteroboner for mircea_popescu << give her time.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I am swiftly coming to the conclusion that the only undisputable fact is that Malaysia Airlines should probably be uninsurable by now.
asciilifeform: if wtc is insurable - what remains ?
RebeccaBitcoin: malaysian is probably pretty safe
RebeccaBitcoin: 2 crashes in a few months
RebeccaBitcoin: odds are there won't be a third
asciilifeform: who knows, perhaps insurers now believe, as some ww1 soldiers did, that 'shell doesn't ever drop into the old crater'
RebeccaBitcoin: the ukranian one doesn't appear to be entirely malaysian's fault
RebeccaBitcoin: sure they stupidly flew there
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> who knows, perhaps insurers now believe, as some ww1 soldiers did, that 'shell doesn't ever drop into the old crater' << Old crater is perfect target to shell if you can't see enemies outside of it.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform like israelis who, during the intifada in the early 2000s, would pack the bar that was previously suicide bombed the second it re-opened
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: omg popescu and rescue don't rhyme. << says mur-see-uhh
Duffer1: shit it's not pronounced "you"? my poor haikus :((
pete_dushenski: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 312959 | Current Difficulty: 1.8736441558310238E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 314495 | Next Difficulty In: 1536 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 4 hours, 7 minutes, and 56 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 18956348956.5 | Estimated Percent Change: 1.17369
pete_dushenski: ;;nethash
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 687182.56 Est. Next Diff: 552418.63 in 749 blocks (#42336) Est. % Change: -19.61
gribble: 134835565.293
benkay: ether ether ether
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11101 @ 0.00081467 = 9.0437 BTC [-]
pete_dushenski: …all day long. ether ether ether while i sing this song
benkay: pete_dushenski's feelings...
pete_dushenski: benkay: ikr? like since when are those a thing?
benkay: <RebeccaBitcoin> is that unethical // it's to be expected
benkay: <RebeccaBitcoin> is that unethical // brainwallets must have adequate entropy, and no JS doth not provide.
benkay: <asciilifeform> the ones that set off the thermite. // ding ding ding
benkay: <pete_dushenski> benkay: she just doesn't have moosedickpete's heteroboner for mircea_popescu << give her time. << last week was big black dicks in the ass, this week is moose dick, next week is she-dick.
pete_dushenski: #b-a: home of the dicks
benkay: i think shemales
benkay: fuck all of my different clipboards
benkay: the os x one only has one slot as apparently a giant "fuck you" to anyone who's not a retard
benkay: oh also i was told today that calling things "stupid" is bad because some people identify as stupid and using stupid as a negative word makes them feel bad
benkay: so we started saying "poorly engineered" to which i object because i'm a crap engineer
benkay: came to the conclusion that until people start identifying as piles of feces, the only acceptable bad word is "shitty" and then i remembered this one girl...
benkay: also someone pointed out that shit is healthy and good and helps you diagnose your internal gut flora state
benkay throws his hands up
benkay: that's all the log i get?
benkay: slackers
benkay: ;;ud "white girl wasted"
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=White%20Girl%20Wasted | To get completely drunk, wasted or sloshed to the point where you can no longer control yourself physically or mentally. Term originally given to younger white ...
pete_dushenski: benkay: some people identify as stupid << hardly. pretty sure everyone in north america think they're hawkings' able-bodied offspring
benkay: but "some"
benkay: "some" people might get offended
pete_dushenski: ofc, which is why you have to talk extra loud to make sure that no one misses your golden eggs
pete_dushenski: offending people is a gift
pete_dushenski: put that in the natphil diagram
benkay: mocking the youth for their idiocy is a core tenet of my educational philosophy
benkay: today, at least.
benkay: aight well i'm too tired to code, so i'm going to knock off and get up early tomorrow.
benkay: night pete_dushenski
pete_dushenski: cheers benkay
benkay: aw that's so pleasant! i type pete and it tabcompletes!
pete_dushenski: you're welcome :D
benkay: ;;rated pete_dushenski
gribble: You rated user pete_dushenski on Sun Apr 13 13:08:25 2014, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: None.
pete_dushenski: see, everything swapped over
pete_dushenski: thanks be to nanotube !
benkay: ;;rated jurov
gribble: You rated user jurov on Sun Apr 13 13:06:17 2014, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: great to work with.
benkay: ;;rate jurov 3 keeps his word.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user jurov has changed from 2 to 3.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22400 @ 0.00081715 = 18.3042 BTC [+] {2}
ben_vulpes: <-- attn
ben_vulpes: ;;ident
gribble: CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'ben_vulpes', with hostmask 'ben_vulpes!~user@unaffiliated/benkay', is identified as user 'benkay', with GPG key id 2AFA1A9FD2D031DA, key fingerprint 4F7907942CA8B89B01E25A762AFA1A9FD2D031DA, and bitcoin address None
ben_vulpes: nanotube: i'm signing off for the night, but dig this:
ben_vulpes: ;;eauth benkay
gribble: Request successful for user benkay, hostmask ben_vulpes!~user@unaffiliated/benkay. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/2AFA1A9FD2D031DA
ben_vulpes: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:dea5a830caed3972cae01f44b360cd50298595fea0ebe6c6a5872ba0
gribble: You are now authenticated for user benkay with key 2AFA1A9FD2D031DA
mircea_popescu: o look pete
mircea_popescu: ben vulpes what happened here!
mircea_popescu: xanthyos: so what about tit video, at 24 frames per second. does that go for 2.4 btc/s? << lol nope.
mircea_popescu: RetroUpriser: but they wouldnt be coming into assests << then they wouldn't be getting paid.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: anyway, he seems to be authed << you srsly brokt it, this isn't how it's supposed to work.
mircea_popescu: o nm. itis huh.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: Step One, Give irc bot a new function. Step two work forever on maintaining and refining it. << it's not JUST bots you know.
mircea_popescu: dub: http://imgur.com/ww3ODOd << surprisingly, no c0ks in thre ?!
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
mircea_popescu: mike_c: the forum is probably rubbing off on me already. << was the valve ready to pop earlier from that ?
mircea_popescu: RebeccaBitcoin: Right, so he's been sleeping for like 19 hours << side effects of a good bj.
mircea_popescu: http://blogs.bitcoin-assets.com/ << whoa pankkake what happened there, i got banned ?
assbot: Assets Assimilated
mircea_popescu: RebeccaBitcoin: Oh ok sorry if I bothered you. As my name suggests I am a sub and was looking << is this the russian bride scam being marketed to women now ?
mircea_popescu: bah so what i just missed everyone ?
mircea_popescu: ;;seen mike_c
gribble: mike_c was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 hours, 14 minutes, and 34 seconds ago: <mike_c> !up jborkl
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo: Step One, Give irc bot a new function. Step two work forever on maintaining and refining it. << it's not JUST bots you know. << of course
mircea_popescu: RebeccaBitcoin: coolpete would have promoted the scam << little miss wry sarcasm's kinda fun to read huh. except when she fucks up the pasting.
mircea_popescu: Duffer1: shit it's not pronounced "you"? my poor haikus :(( << it was just a sly lead-in for the next line
mircea_popescu: benkay: fuck all of my different clipboards <<< aaaahahahaahah. penisfooted wolf, srsly ?
cazalla: damn, new ISIS video is more brutal than the last
mircea_popescu: kinda the point of isis neh ?
cazalla: videos are 30m video effects, 2m of GTA style, not sure if they want to show off the killing or video editing skills more
assbot: ‫ | | ‬‎ - YouTube
BingoBoingo: !up Petrodriller
assbot: @CoinDesk rips off another honest author. Refuses to acknowledge that it did. : Bitcoin
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 980 @ 0.00282983 = 2.7732 BTC [-] {9}
assbot: The stolen 600+ Bitcoin Lesson, Identity Theft, Nothing is 100% Safe, but youll Survive : Bitcoin
mircea_popescu: "Ukrainians excell at robbing, selling out, dismantling and destroying their own country; but achieving a specific, precise result as part of a highly coordinated mission? Not so much."
mircea_popescu: now why;'s this guy being a gratuitous asshole ?
BingoBoingo: !up Guest48838
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18632 @ 0.00081311 = 15.1499 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ROCK] 2160 @ 0.0008 = 1.728 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: !up fats_cd03_
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 18 @ 0.18620797 = 3.3517 BTC [+] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.18889989 = 1.5112 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18725 @ 0.000809 = 15.1485 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 584.93, Best ask: 586.43, Bid-ask spread: 1.50000, Last trade: 586.43, 24 hour volume: 8636.32621492, 24 hour low: 570.5, 24 hour high: 596.0, 24 hour vwap: 582.088195257
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.1888999 = 1.3223 BTC [+] {2}
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 210 Ask: 250 Last Price: 210 24h-Vol: 12k High: 270 Low: 210 VWAP: 210
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.18889999 = 0.9445 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.189 = 1.134 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: !up coinboy
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 25 @ 0.189048 = 4.7262 BTC [+] {2}
coinboy: long on ether brought me here
mircea_popescu: !s dpaste
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.1897 = 0.7588 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.18995 = 1.1397 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ROCK] 7372 @ 0.0008 = 5.8976 BTC [+]
pankkake: re AndrewJackson's quit message, I find https://twitter.com/coindesk/status/334646859920441346 but not the original - did he delete it?
mircea_popescu: pankkake hey did you take trilema off teh blogs ?
pankkake: no, when I went on it it was there
pankkake: however I always delete the cache before updating, so if the feed has an error, it will temporarily disappear I suppose
mircea_popescu: oh teh feed has an error ?
mircea_popescu: ah i see it. maybe it didn't answer timely something like that ?
mircea_popescu: had some load issues today
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.18999 = 0.95 BTC [-]
pankkake: perhaps. I keep the last update log but not the previous ones. that's why there's a cache but it can't update properly because of the delay of posts appearing in the feed
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.18999833 = 1.14 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: aha. aite.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.19 = 1.33 BTC [+] {5}
mircea_popescu: ;;seen pierre_rochard
gribble: pierre_rochard was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 days, 9 hours, 27 minutes, and 16 seconds ago: <Pierre_Rochard> mircea_popescu: ah, well I’ll myself out then
mircea_popescu: check it out, dood srsly got butthurt.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 68 @ 0.19230146 = 13.0765 BTC [+] {5}
BingoBoingo: What over?
cazalla: don't copy that floppy?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19925 @ 0.00081199 = 16.1789 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 23 @ 0.20048694 = 4.6112 BTC [+] {13}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.205 = 1.025 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.205 = 1.435 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27650 @ 0.00080972 = 22.3888 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 258 @ 0.00196206 = 0.5062 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 25 @ 0.21387198 = 5.3468 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.22 = 0.88 BTC [+]
assbot: Steel mill worker reveals blocking view of U.S. aircraft on day of Nagasaki atomic bombing -
BingoBoingo: punkman: Interesting
punkman: and for that day the gasenwagen comes: "A dry powder fire extinguisher is said to be a good improvised system for production of aerosol effective even in far infrared."
assbot: How to take over the computer of any Java (or Clojure or Scala) developer - Ontoillogical
pankkake: many language-specific package managers don't check anything either
jurov: what kind of fire extinguisher? not CO2, imo
jurov: ah dry powder
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 17 @ 0.22664704 = 3.853 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: Your Craft Whiskey Is Probably From a Factory Distillery in Indiana - The Daily Beast
punkman: heh "whiskey aged longer than a distillery has been in business is one of the telltale signs that the “distiller” is actually just bottling someone else’s product."
BingoBoingo: I'm actually wondering now about how one just bulk purchase's that rye for personal consumption
punkman: family of friend buys 1000L of wine every year and it just about lasts until the next time
BingoBoingo: Lulz -> The prize for the most upfront bottler has to go to Blaum Bros. of Galena, Illinois, which market Knotter—read “not our”—Bourbon with the transparent admission “We didn’t distill this bourbon. Nope, not a drop.”
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.23352499 = 2.8023 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 29 @ 0.23999655 = 6.9599 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: lulzy java
BingoBoingo: ;;google site:trilema.com spam
gribble: Effectual spam filtering for WordPress pe Trilema - Un blog de ...: <http://trilema.com/effectual-spam-filtering-for-wordpress>; Spam and malware, let's be cool together. pe Trilema - Un blog de ...: <http://trilema.com/spam-and-malware-lets-be-cool-together>; And another one bites the dust : bitmarket.eu pe Trilema - Un blog ...: <http://trilema.com/2012/and-another-one-bites- (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: 1mn to "share and collaborate" without needing to email excel anymore ?
dub: with scotch its not uncommon for old stock to be sold with a distillery
mircea_popescu: anyway, that's all the excitement i can take in one day. later assetteers/
dub: uh
dub: assetteers sounds like part of a porno name
punkman: dub, if you have old stock you probably don't need to come up with shit like "al capone's favourite hooch"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32500 @ 0.0008065 = 26.2113 BTC [-] {2}
dub: yes well, what you are talking about is not even whisky
BingoBoingo: dub: Well, with scotch selling whisky from distillery to distillery (or simply to blenders) is rather standard
BingoBoingo: !up CheckDavid
BingoBoingo: !up belcher
BingoBoingo: !up pogakuofie
pogakuofie: thanks dde
punkman: what happens when Diageo buys the old family distillery? does the product change or do they make sure it doesn't?
BingoBoingo: punkman: It's hard to say. It seems the article mentioned one case where the switched to outsourcing it.
dub: depends what they buy it for, vast majority of single malt ends up in blends
dub: ie, johnny red
punkman: well say Lagavulin, I wonder, was it better before Diageo bought it?
pankkake: "Their freakish messages seem almost tailored to demand attention in our outrage-driven world of social media signaling." eheh. outrage-driven is clearly the right qualifier
dub: probably the same or better, they would look to preserve the distinctive brand but have a lot more stock to choose from
dub: well no, in that case it wont have changed
BingoBoingo: !up wyrdmantis
BingoBoingo: Hello wyrdmantis
wyrdmantis: hello
wyrdmantis: i'm studying the wiki :9
pogakuofie: i can get a thing the article what is it abt??
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 33 @ 0.24439392 = 8.065 BTC [+] {5}
fluffypony: lolwut
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 150 @ 0.00409999 = 0.615 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: How Google Map Hackers Can Destroy a Business at Will | Business | WIRED
punkman: "Anyone Googling Serbian Crown, or plugging it into Google Maps, was told incorrectly that the restaurant was closed on the weekends"
punkman: I guess if that's all it takes to run you out of business, you were out of business already
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 346 @ 0.00281501 = 0.974 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 563 @ 0.00280089 = 1.5769 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.25983333 = 2.3385 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: How a Hacker Intercepted FBI and Secret Service Calls With Google Maps
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.263 = 1.315 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 16 @ 0.26613124 = 4.2581 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 450 @ 0.0027438 = 1.2347 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.27289999 = 0.5458 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 279 @ 0.0027 = 0.7533 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2000 @ 0.0026219 = 5.2438 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 450 @ 0.0026164 = 1.1774 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 40 @ 0.29389454 = 11.7558 BTC [+] {10}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 343 @ 0.00253704 = 0.8702 BTC [+] {14}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13849 @ 0.00080661 = 11.1707 BTC [+]
chetty: google is down?
dub: no
fluffypony: !isup google.com
fluffypony: !isitdown google.com
kakobrekla: optimist
kakobrekla: ;;isitdown google.com
gribble: google.com is up
fluffypony: gribble needs a single command prefix
fluffypony: I can never remember whether it's ! or ,, or ;; for a particular command
kakobrekla: you were trying to call assbot
kakobrekla: ! assbot ;; gribble
kakobrekla: not so hard.
fluffypony: nope - for some commands gribble *only* responds to ,,
fluffypony: if you try ;;bg in -otc it won't work, but ,,bg will
kakobrekla: yeah but otc is retarded
kakobrekla: ;;later tell fluffypony see it works
gribble: The operation succeeded.
fluffypony: !8ball is otc retarded?
fluffypony: ;;8ball is otc retarded?
gribble: Unlikely.
fluffypony: sorry kakobrekla, gribble disagrees
chetty: odd I get error pages for google.com.ar
fluffypony: works for me
fluffypony: Buscar con Google!
chetty: ah its back now, that was wierd dont think I ever saw google down before
fluffypony: "Me siento con suerte" sounds like the title of a poem, doesn't have the same ring to it as "I'm feeling lucky"
kakobrekla: ;;8ball is otc retarded?
gribble: No.
kakobrekla: never trust a robot
chetty: indeed, you never know who wrote the program that runs that robot
fluffypony: in this case we do
fluffypony: plus the source is on github
fluffypony: so we know who to blame :-op
kakobrekla: how do you know its those sources that run gribble
kakobrekla: speaking of robots n shit, anyone saw transcendence, this new flick?
chetty: kakobrekla, +1
kakobrekla: !up pogakuofie
chetty: dang I lost my own voice when I wasnt looking :P
pogakuofie: thank
pogakuofie: anyone can help with run the gnupg on windows
chetty: pogakuofie, needs some help with gen keys on windows
fluffypony: kakobrekla: yes - it was lame
kakobrekla: did you ask keybase pogakuofie ?
pogakuofie: yea chett
pogakuofie: keybase??
pogakuofie: who or what is that
kakobrekla: ;;google gpg4win
gribble: Gpg4win - Secure email and file encryption with GnuPG for Windows: <http://www.gpg4win.org/>; Gpg4win - Download Gpg4win: <http://www.gpg4win.org/download.html>; Gpg4win - About Gpg4win: <http://www.gpg4win.org/about.html>
kakobrekla: use that.
kakobrekla: !up Ukyo
kakobrekla: why are you such a dick and just tell em you wont pay?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23000 @ 0.00080459 = 18.5056 BTC [-]
fluffypony: idle for 17 hours
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ROCK] 9897 @ 0.0008 = 7.9176 BTC [+]
assbot: With new default looming, Argentina urges calm - Yahoo News
chetty: !up pogakuofie
pogakuofie: i have downloaded the kleopatra
pogakuofie: what do i do now
pogakuofie: nayone??
pogakuofie: anyone?
kakobrekla: !down pogakuofie
kakobrekla: cut down on the speed.
pankkake: read the wikis
punkman: reading is hard, let's go shopping
punkman: I mean, moiety should make a video tutorial
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.285 = 1.425 BTC [-]
assbot: Bitcoin-OTC Setup Guide for Windows - YouTube
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 300 @ 0.00286068 = 0.8582 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.29 = 0.58 BTC [+]
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kakobrekla: !up eregister
kakobrekla: progress ?
fluffypony: hah hah
fluffypony: I'm nearly in tears
eregister: get a liitle problem
eregister: after the decryption where did he get the information he pasted to get verified
pankkake: you should send the line to gribble, in private or in a public chan
pankkake: but I'm not sure it's your question
eregister: i sent it to gribble
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.288 = 0.864 BTC [-]
eregister: and had to decrypt
eregister: some info
eregister: i did but dont know were to get the key to send back to get auth
pankkake: you have to decrypt it using GPG
eregister: yea i did
pankkake: then you only have to paste it back to gribble
eregister: then were do i get what i have to send back to get verified
eregister: i did decrypt
eregister: but did not get any info
pankkake: you got a random string?
eregister: but some how in the video he got some info and pasted back
eregister: can you pls help
eregister: no radom string after a decrypted
pankkake: what did you get? you can paste it publicly
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.288 = 0.864 BTC [-]
eregister: it said no signatures are found
pankkake: I think you tried the wrong feature; you should decrypt, not verify
chetty: be sure you copy all including the dashes to decrypt
eregister: ok will try again
kakobrekla: or just paste the private key and someone here will do it for you.
eregister: is there anyother gpg add i can use
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.2899375 = 2.3195 BTC [+] {2}
eregister: instead or gpg.mit.edu
pankkake: I don't understand the question, but you should use pool.sks-keyservers.net
assbot: Bollywood - Imgur
assbot: Home | seL4
pankkake: !up eregister
eregister: what port pls
pankkake: default port and settings
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12850 @ 0.0008038 = 10.3288 BTC [-]
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assbot: Startup Launch
eregister: i decryted and got this freenode:#bitcoin-otc:2ec9bdb25df6b89034d729720b12c05bb386c69f46338b41b8538c6b
eregister: what do i do with it??
pankkake: great, now you say ;;gpg everify <yourstring>
pankkake: either here or in private to gribble
eregister: says incorrect otp
eregister: incorrect one time password
kakobrekla thinks that by now pankkake earned all eregisters btc
pankkake: perhaps because you took too much time or changed your nick
pankkake: i.e. try again from the start
asciilifeform: fluffypony: re: L4 (which is pretty old news in fact) and 'proof-carrying code' in general: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1390&cpage=1#comment-8471
assbot: Loper OS » Of Decaying Urbits.
jurov: imo miety could make video for cunt generation how to do the registration and gpg stuff under windows
jurov: or maybe there is one already
asciilifeform: fluffypony: let's also remember that 'general dynamics' is a premier USG brand.
asciilifeform waits for the inevitable 'but it's open source!'
trixisowned: did you guys see
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: 'find some meat!'
trixisowned: “Purchaser understands, that while the Ethereum Team will make reasonable efforts to complete the Ethereum software, it is possible that an official completed version of the Ethereum Platform may not be released and there may never be an operational Ethereum Platform.”
pankkake: cunt generation?
trixisowned: they removed this line
trixisowned: from the TOS
kakobrekla: asciilifeform the real gribble!
trixisowned: i pasted wrong damn thing
trixisowned: “We reserve the right to use up to 5000 BTC from the pre-sale while the pre-sale is running in order to speed up development. We may or may not take this option depending on community response; if done at all it will be done transparently.”
trixisowned: this is removed
trixisowned: completely
trixisowned: from the TOS
jurov: !s "cunt generation"
jurov: !s unt generation
jurov: !s cunt generation
pankkake: I suppose the ToS was never signed?
kakobrekla: sign the tos? its not like it means anything!
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
jurov: kakobrekla: why the search failed? does it have profanity filter?
jurov: oh it actually worked
jurov: my brain is somehow too jumpy lately :/
kakobrekla: yeah, get one of those asciilifeform wave modulator phaser laser ion electrifying brain fixer
asciilifeform: but if you do, don't screw up the polarity...
kakobrekla: preorders open yet?
ThickAsThieves: <+trixisowned> this is removed //// it was a pretty retarded line to have in there
ThickAsThieves: probly removed cuz they wanna use whatever the fuck amount whenever the fuck
trixisowned: funny thing is
trixisowned: they forgot
trixisowned: to remove it from their blogs
ThickAsThieves: internet gets you every time
assbot: ethereum blog | Launching the Ether Sale
trixisowned: if they do remove it
trixisowned: im gonna lol even more~
ThickAsThieves: i dont understand why the line was ever there though really
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4700 @ 0.00080459 = 3.7816 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: to give out the impression someone is overlooking
ThickAsThieves: “People can’t really afford to hold bitcoin for very long. You’ve got to pay rent at the end of the month in euros or dollars, you may even at this time convince your landlord to pay rent using the bitcoin network, but at at the same time, you may have market action that happens during those 15 days that means you can’t cover that anymore.”
ThickAsThieves: ~LOCK from Coinapult
assbot: Coinapult
kakobrekla: for people who cant handle buy and sell button ?
kakobrekla: dunno
ThickAsThieves: for people-who-only-have-enuf-btc-to-pay-1-month-of-rent-yet-want-to-live-on-btc
kakobrekla: overly stupid in both cases.
ThickAsThieves: it's erik's thing right?
assbot: CryptoKids: Altcoins, Apps And Authors Aim To Bring Bitcoin To Children - Forbes
ThickAsThieves: 'Describing themselves somewhat tweely as “tech tweenpreneurs”, JuJu, GiGi and JoJo have already authored more than 20 technology-related books aimed at children their own age. Now they have turned their focus on cryptocurrency through their Bitkidz website – the first ever bitcoin social media site for children'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25000 @ 0.00080619 = 20.1548 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.298 = 0.596 BTC [+]
mike_c: should businesses be in the wot?
ThickAsThieves: i brought this up in the past
ThickAsThieves: my result is we need a new wot
Blazedout419: I think they should be
Blazedout419: or a seperate WOT for business...something
mike_c: !s from:ThickAsThieves "new wot"
ThickAsThieves: !s better wot
ThickAsThieves: i have a whole 20% done article on it
ThickAsThieves: !s decentralized wot
mike_c: why new wot? what's wrong with the existing one?
ThickAsThieves: not decentralized
mike_c: ok, but that's separate from having a business account
ThickAsThieves: need support for more fields
Blazedout419: it does depend on nano's trust
ThickAsThieves: integration with other systems/wots
chetty: businesses are in the end people, the people that run them
rithm: ;;rate tat -1 mutiny
Blazedout419: how do you combat ratings trolls?
gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
ThickAsThieves: the issue i dont like about adding businesses is the yelp phenomenon
ThickAsThieves: where itll be skewed to bad reviews
ThickAsThieves: you see,
mike_c: WoT is all about gettrust, not getrating
danielpbarron: Blazedout419, ignore them?
ThickAsThieves: the nature of yelp is negativity
ThickAsThieves: and WoT is positivity
ThickAsThieves: would hate to ruin that
Blazedout419: for a business bad ratings can hurt more than for a regular user
ThickAsThieves: it's certainly a topic that could use more discourse and work \
ThickAsThieves: imo at least
ThickAsThieves: something like turn namecoin in a wot
ThickAsThieves: more fields
Blazedout419: for example in OTC some scammers will make new accts over and over just to crush someones wot score
danielpbarron: if your "business" is harmed by the ratings of trolls, your business was probably going poorly anyway
ThickAsThieves: total identity system
ThickAsThieves: with voluntary amounts of data
danielpbarron: Blazedout419, they can't crush your L2..
ThickAsThieves: i was about to say, but how does a business claim it's listing?
ThickAsThieves: maybe they shouldnt be allowed
assbot: Rating Details for User 'tim-tams'
Blazedout419: danielpbarron true, but many only look at L1 and ratings
Blazedout419: most do not bother to look at L2
Blazedout419: !up BigBitz
assbot: #bitcoin-otc Web of Trust - Trust graph
mike_c: nanotube: why show "total points" on rating page? i thought that was supposed to be a meaningless number.
chetty: failure to do your DD is no excuse
danielpbarron: Blazedout419, most are idiots; why should they be the rule instead of the exception?
BigBitz: ;;gettrust Blazedout419
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask Blazedout419!~Rogue@76-243-42-60.lightspeed.cntmoh.sbcglobal.net. Trust relationship from user BigBitz to user Blazedout419: Level 1: 8, Level 2: 73 via 49 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=BigBitz&dest=Blazedout419 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Blazedout419 | Rated since: Sat May 18 17:05:13 2013
ThickAsThieves: i dont have an issue with total points
BigBitz: looks fine.
BigBitz: points aren't prizes.
ThickAsThieves: but there should also be weighted points
nanotube: mike_c: grandfathered in from the early days. :)
Blazedout419: not me BigBitz talking about rtings abuse and the WOT
mike_c: there is weighted points. it's gettrust
BigBitz: Blazedout419 look at my ratings.
BigBitz: I have about 8-10 negative 10s.
Blazedout419: how 1 mad person can wreck a total score...and most are too dumb to notice it
BigBitz: sucks... but not many look at it.
ThickAsThieves: well 10 points from mp is not the same as from ninjashogun
ThickAsThieves: and that could be somewhat quantified
danielpbarron: ThickAsThieves, the points already *are* weighted; a user in your L1 can only pass along as much rating to someone's L2 score as you have given them
BigBitz: 10 points from ninjashogun is a gift.
mike_c: it is quantified! gettrust uses your edge weights as weighting.
danielpbarron: Blazedout419, the total score is practically meaningless
BigBitz: ;;ratingsystem getrating BigBitz
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. User BigBitz, rated since Fri Apr 26 11:13:53 2013. Cumulative rating 430, from 213 total ratings. Received ratings: 202 positive, 11 negative. Sent ratings: 186 positive, 59 negative. Details: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=BigBitz
BigBitz: w00t.
BigBitz: 11 negative all from scammers.
Blazedout419: I just think for a business the scores matter more
danielpbarron: if you rate someone +5, and they rate someone else +10, only up to +5 will get passed along to the L2
ThickAsThieves: one problem i have for my vision of a decentralized wot, is when i simulate it in my end, it turns into a sort of international passport system over time and could totally remove anonymity from so many areas of life, and well, is that what we really want?
ThickAsThieves: end=head
danielpbarron: the one potential problem I see happening with nanotube's WoT, is that a small majority can prevent a user from even giving ratings..
Blazedout419: that is an issue
danielpbarron: but that's something he can easily remove without changing how the WoT works
danielpbarron: i think all users should be able to give ratings; doesn't matter if they are trolls or scammers
Blazedout419: nano is very fair though so it has not been an issue from what I have seen
rithm: <danielpbarron> +i think all users should be able to give ratings; doesn't matter if they are trolls or scammers
rithm: no.
danielpbarron: i'm on the verge of not being able to rate anymore because of idiots like you ( Blazedout419 ) in -otc
mike_c: ;;ratingsystem getrating danielpbarron
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask danielpbarron!~dpb@c-71-232-150-212.hsd1.ma.comcast.net . User danielpbarron, rated since Thu Mar 21 17:26:04 2013. Cumulative rating 1, from 28 total ratings. Received ratings: 21 positive, 7 negative. Sent ratings: 78 positive, 18 negative. Details: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=danielpbarron
rithm: where does this everyone has a voice mentality come from?
Blazedout419: well danielpbarron not going to beat the dead horse here, but your ratings are a joke
Blazedout419: we will agree to disagree
rithm: ^^
danielpbarron: no we will not; you may..
Blazedout419: that is fine
chetty: <rithm> where does this everyone has a voice mentality come from?//equality notions
mike_c: you did let those two idiots talk in here yesterday daniel..
rithm: not every person, bot, or program gets to leave some ratings trail
rithm: i can walk into the NYSE and call people idiots
rithm: *can't
danielpbarron: mike_c, yeh; that was my bad; I know them IRL; lesson learned there..
rithm: no one will document that and take it seriously
rithm: why would you want to initiate it here
BigBitz: get out rithm!
BigBitz: no idiots!
BigBitz: NYSE RIP :(
danielpbarron: anyway; the WoT isn't harmed by scammers or trolls; it harms nothing to let anyone give a rating
rithm: that's stupidiest thing i've ever heard come from this channel
rithm: and i've heard a lot of stupid shit
rithm: but letting joe schmoe leave ratings for people who've been around the block for x years is moronic
Blazedout419: agreed
danielpbarron: scammers aren't in my L1; I don't care what ratings they give..
danielpbarron: rithm, joe schmoe isn't in my L1.. what's the problem??
mike_c: rithm: but it's only harmful if 'total points' is a thing. joe schmoe isn't going to change thhe gettrust between you and others.
rithm: so this is a L1/L2 difference of opinions
danielpbarron: yes and your opinion is incorrect
rithm: so in theory i agree with you because it's already happened to me and no fucks were given
rithm: am i identified
rithm: ;;ident
gribble: CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'rithm', with hostmask 'rithm!~rithm@unaffiliated/rithm', is identified as user 'jcpham', with GPG key id C71FB5ED6ACE04AF, key fingerprint F7299BD73879E866613EAB24C71FB5ED6ACE04AF, and bitcoin address 157CrafPv8oGC7f5vVFuLnE1BgDYUND4hq
assbot: Elementary School Flop - YouTube
rithm: lots of joe schmoes tagged me
rithm: ;;ratingsystem getrating jcpham
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask rithm!~rithm@unaffiliated/rithm . CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. User jcpham, rated since Fri Nov 11 12:35:04 2011. Cumulative rating 147, from 101 total ratings. Received ratings: 95 positive, 6 negative. Sent ratings: 101 positive, 21 negative. Details: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=jcpham
rithm: so my cumulative is -70 because of bullshit joe schmoes with sand in their vagina
rithm: but your point is valid, it makes no difference
mike_c: it says cum 147..
danielpbarron: well, it sorta does make a difference at the moment, because nanotube won't let you even give a rating if your score goes negative (i think)
rithm: yes and it's -70 because of 7 shill accounts
rithm: and if that person made 7 more shill accounts
danielpbarron: well nanotube should make it so you can always give ratings, or maybe base it on an L2 thing like assbot does
jurov: ThickAsThieves> one problem i have... etc..<< you seem to dream about some opaque oracle that will issue trustable rating info for anonymous identities
mike_c: danielpbarron: it is. l2 to nanotube
rithm: one entity can complete ruin a cumulative rating in your "free for all" system
danielpbarron: oh; then nevermind
rithm: i myself may or maynot have 14 shill accounts for ratings offsets
rithm: checks and balances
punkman: rithm, so how would you stop the shills?
Blazedout419: ;;gettrust nanotube jcpham
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask rithm!~rithm@unaffiliated/rithm. CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Trust relationship from user nanotube to user jcpham: Level 1: 3, Level 2: 57 via 34 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=nanotube&dest=jcpham | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=jcpham | Rated since: Fri Nov 11 12:35:04 2011
rithm: idenitity verification, not allow multiple accounts of some sort is the only solution i know of
rithm: but how do you implement that
ThickAsThieves: jurov i dont understand what you said, probably because you misunderstood what i said
Blazedout419: It would be hard to shut him up :)
danielpbarron: it's already solved; none of your shills are in my L1 (i think)
rithm: ;;gettrust solves it at L2
gribble: (gettrust [<sourcenick>] <destnick>) -- Get trust paths for <destnick>, starting from <sourcenick>. If <sourcenick> is not supplied, your own nick is used as the source. See http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/OTC_Rating_System#Notes_about_gettrust
jurov: ThickAsThieves i understood it as you dislike the need not to be anonymous for web of trust to work
artifexd: rithm: not allowing multiple accounts is not possible
ThickAsThieves: i dislike the extreme which becomes possible with a "better" wot
ThickAsThieves: like this:
rithm: i do not have a solution but i think entry into the wot should be guarded
rithm: i hate to be exclusionary but
rithm: some people can't behave
danielpbarron: rithm, it already is gaurded; you need to be in nanotube's L2 to be able to give a rating apparently
rithm: ha
ThickAsThieves: Say the WoT is decentralized, supports more fields of data, has full API for integration for things like logging in to facebook or visiting Italy. The stronger and more prevelant the WoT gets, the more likely it is to become a requirement
ThickAsThieves: now, suppose that requirement come at request of governments
ThickAsThieves: ot the tentacles of Google Lyf
ThickAsThieves: now you can't escape the system
Blazedout419: ;;gettrust nanotube danielpbarron
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask danielpbarron!~dpb@c-71-232-150-212.hsd1.ma.comcast.net. Trust relationship from user nanotube to user danielpbarron: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 4 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=nanotube&dest=danielpbarron | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=danielpbarron | Rated since: Thu Mar 21 17:26:04 2013
artifexd: <rithm> some people can't behave << Especially when they are on the internet and feel like there are no repercussions
danielpbarron: yep, Blazedout419 can silence me right now
danielpbarron: bump me from a -2 to a -3 and i can't rate anymore :<
Blazedout419: Like I said I am over it
nanotube: it has to be <0 to block.
rithm: right artifexd. i sortof behave here because my peers are watching and i'd hate for someone to think I'm not a person of my word
rithm: but some people do not have this moral compass
punkman: ;;rate danielpbarron 1 #b-a regular
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user danielpbarron has been recorded.
jurov: ThickAsThieves: this already happens as rap sheet and various no-fly blacklists, etc.
ThickAsThieves: but is that good?
rithm: this whole WoT thing has gotten complex over time and usage. but I basically am on the mpoe side of the fence and i think these "bitcoin wot's" need to be pay-to-pay
rithm: *pay-to-play
rithm: initially i was not
ThickAsThieves: pay to rate scammers?
ThickAsThieves: no thanks
rithm: pay a fee to enter
ThickAsThieves: so a coin
rithm: a token of some sort
danielpbarron: maybe require that all WoT users have a Bitcoin address associated that has a balance of X amount
ThickAsThieves: like namecoin wot
punkman: rithm, not enough people for that I think
rithm: probably not
punkman: unless you are into circlejerks
jurov: the solution is to not have one global wot for everything
ThickAsThieves: i'd donate money to a proper effort to make such things
rithm: right then we just devolve into some sort of ruling wot class
kakobrekla: but when bitcoin started, there werent enough people for that as well, just a circlejerk
rithm: i don't have a solution sorry
punkman: kakobrekla, so what if you had to pay $500 to download bitcoin.exe then?
rithm: no one downloads bitcoin.exe
kakobrekla: punkman 30 btc mpex entry fee was pocket change at some point.
ThickAsThieves: the only way to make it have a cost is to do it like namecoin
danielpbarron: you don't have to charge for entry to make it cost prohibitive for scammers; just require they associate with a Bitcoin address that has a positive balance; kinda like a proof-of-stake
ThickAsThieves: probly...
rithm: making it cost prohibitive to shill ratings is the key i think
rithm: back to identity verification
punkman: rithm, takes a lot of time to build up shill accounts as it is
ThickAsThieves: it needs to be more than entry fee
ThickAsThieves: must be recurring
artifexd: There was an anti-sockpuppet scheme that revolved around committing bitcoin for a certain amount of time. I'm having trouble finding the details right now.
rithm: does it punkman? because you used to be able to rate one with another
rithm: then i created 12 more with btc addresses
rithm: and rated all those
rithm: maybe i've just seen it done so much and all the exploits and loopholes are closed now
punkman: still need to get first account in nanotube's L2, then if you rate a dozen, you are kinda obvious
danielpbarron: well each account would need to have a unique address associated with it; you can't share an address between acounts.. that would defeat the purpose
rithm: this being in nano's L2 is new
rithm: or it is news to me
punkman: it's still perfectly possible, but scammers don't usually have long attention spans
Blazedout419: new users can not rate now unless they have a rating
artifexd: nanotube: Can you confirm that one has to be in your L2 in order to rate others?
BigBitz: No.
BigBitz: That's wrong.
rithm: i thought it was
BigBitz: You don't /have/ to be in nano L2 to rate.
BigBitz: You can STOP people by negrating if nano is in your L1 though.
rithm: if you are smart you can build your own shill rating army
Blazedout419: you have to have a rating to rate?
rithm: idk i'm just a poor pawn.
rithm: let the ops figure it out
danielpbarron: in order to build up such an army, you'd have to convince other users to rate them; otherwise they all get cut off with your main account
Blazedout419: if nano's L2 is negative you can not rate
rithm: oic
rithm: so if nanotube burns you
punkman: right "Only people who already have a trust rating in the system can rate other users. "
rithm: your rating privileges are revoked
rithm: that makes sense
danielpbarron: not just nanotube; if anyone in his L2 burns you
rithm: +1
Blazedout419: correct
rithm: good solution to a problem
danielpbarron: err, L1*
Blazedout419: his L1 users hurt if they neg you
rithm: his L1 is pretty tight tho iirc
danielpbarron: idk, it has Blazedout419 in it :p
Blazedout419: yes...he does not toss rating around
rithm: those would be good "decision makers"
nanotube: if you have l1+l2 from me that is <0, you cannot rate.
nanotube: this is not new, it's been in effect for at least a year now
rithm: bam
nanotube: probably two
mike_c: ;;gettrust nanotube mike_c
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask mike_c!~mike_c@unaffiliated/mike-c/x-9105598. Trust relationship from user nanotube to user mike_c: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 6 via 4 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=nanotube&dest=mike_c | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mike_c | Rated since: Sun Nov 24 21:18:22 2013
rithm: i need to get in on that op channel with the special topic
rithm: where this stuff is written down
mike_c: in the logs
nanotube: rithm: code is foss :D
rithm: heh /me runs off to github
nanotube: ;;whatis #bitcoin-otc code
gribble: Source code to gribble's bitcoin-related plugins: https://github.com/nanotube/supybot-bitcoin-marketmonitor
chetty: Dolar Paralelo: $12,90// looks like market here is leaning towards argentina default
ThickAsThieves: anyone here ever dealt with Moodle?
assbot: PSA: Don't change the new Blockchain iOS wallet denomination to "Bits". When you click Bitpay/Coinbase payment links it will send the wrong amount of BTC to the payment address. : Bitcoin
ThickAsThieves: toldya bits was stupid!
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> benkay: fuck all of my different clipboards <<< aaaahahahaahah. penisfooted wolf, srsly ? << you're not familiar with the dickwolves incident?
ben_vulpes: lulzfarm and outrage brigade
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.69615380 BTC to 12`639 shares, 13420 satoshi per share
thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: is copying mircea_popescu
thestringpuller: ;;gettrust nanotube thestringpuller
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-97-12.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net. Trust relationship from user nanotube to user thestringpuller: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 5 via 4 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=nanotube&dest=thestringpuller | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=thestringpuller | Rated since: Mon Oct 15 18:46:37 2012
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 16.28383008 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 1416 satoshi per share
mike_c: underscores are the new rage
thestringpuller: i thought WoL was the new rage?
mike_c: war_of_life
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HASH] 43 @ 0.022 = 0.946 BTC {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HASH] 50 @ 0.022 = 1.1 BTC
assbot: Stocks get no search love on Google - Jul. 29, 2014
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HASH] 58 @ 0.022 = 1.276 BTC {3}
pankkake: re iOS blockchain wallet, it's just a feature, it's the Apple price
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 370 @ 0.00272864 = 1.0096 BTC [-] {9}
kakobrekla: >In fact, there are more searches now for crowdfunding platform Kickstarter than "buy a stock," according to the Google Trends data researched by ConvergEx.
kakobrekla: turn the chumpatron to 11.
chetty: ICE press release refers to "illegal aliens" 11 times: http://www.ice.gov/news/releases/1407/140716houston.htm … Call the language police!
assbot: 4 Houston residents charged with employing illegal aliens
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 200 @ 0.00270026 = 0.5401 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27050 @ 0.00080301 = 21.7214 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ROCK] [PAID] 4.55446000 BTC to 455`446 shares, 1000 satoshi per share
mike_c: !t h rock
assbot: [HAVELOCK:ROCK] 1D: 0.00075002 / 0.0008005 / 0.00085104 (30834 shares, 24.68248696 BTC), 7D: 0.00069600 / 0.00080344 / 0.00085104 (33170 shares, 26.65020681 BTC), 30D: 0.00049994 / 0.00073211 / 0.00099999 (49376 shares, 36.14869395 BTC)
mike_c: ;;calc 1000 * 12 / (100000000 * 0.00075)
gribble: 0.16
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 556 @ 0.00267264 = 1.486 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 101 @ 0.01516446 = 1.5316 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 48 @ 0.01519773 = 0.7295 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 580.02, Best ask: 582.13, Bid-ask spread: 2.11000, Last trade: 580.01, 24 hour volume: 6002.33350681, 24 hour low: 578.0, 24 hour high: 596.0, 24 hour vwap: 585.523552373
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 800 @ 0.00264961 = 2.1197 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla yup i got one too.
mircea_popescu: basically coindesk is about to go out of business i take it.
BigBitz: That looks phishy.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1324 @ 0.00264 = 3.4954 BTC [-] {2}
kakobrekla: o yea indeed it is.
kakobrekla: i will send aplologies to the phisher.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 223 @ 0.00283007 = 0.6311 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 40 @ 0.0153 = 0.612 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: it ain't no phishing, it routes straight to their servers.
kakobrekla: reply-to: coindesk.com@gmail.com
kakobrekla: really ?
kakobrekla: a follow up: >So I take that back and just give you a plain fuck you.
BigBitz: the broken english is bad.
BigBitz: @adverts to sell"
BigBitz: or something it said.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27300 @ 0.00080081 = 21.8621 BTC [-]
BigBitz: and I doubt coindesk use @gmail.com lol
mike_c: you actually got them to call you a faggot?
mike_c: !s shrani
kakobrekla: mike_c yes
kakobrekla: i was still in bed when lampelina came in yelling "lmao coindesk called you a fagot!"
mike_c: lol. well good trolling.
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
kakobrekla: sorry no pic :(
mike_c: i'm surprised they had the balls for that.
ThickAsThieves: 1and1 sux
kakobrekla: it is indeed possible i was talking to phisher now that BigBitz pointed it out
ThickAsThieves: ;;rate 1and1.com -3 bullshit obfuscation
gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
kakobrekla: even then.
kakobrekla: so in that case, i guess not that amazing.
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ThickAsThieves: first sentence: "Encryption is hard. "
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25350 @ 0.00080301 = 20.3563 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 210 @ 0.00285898 = 0.6004 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: The pseudo-Bitcoinsphere feels just as squishy-poo as the Romanian pseudo-blogosphere felt five years or so ago. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
kakobrekla: mp its phishing :(
kakobrekla: explain @gmail ?
kakobrekla: <kakobrekla> reply-to: coindesk.com@gmail.com
mircea_popescu: Received: from [190.115.24.198] (port=40176 helo=coindesk.com)
mircea_popescu: by zed.gendns.com with esmtps (UNKNOWN:DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256)
mircea_popescu: (Exim 4.82)
mircea_popescu: (envelope-from <coindesk@mail.coindesk.com>)
mircea_popescu: id 1XCARL-0005dN-5i
mircea_popescu: for office@polimedia.us; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 12:39:58 -0400
mircea_popescu: Received: from coindesk by mail.coindesk.com with local (Exim 4.82)
mircea_popescu: (envelope-from <coindesk@mail.coindesk.com>)
mircea_popescu: id 1XCARJ-0004yt-EJ
mircea_popescu: for office@polimedia.us; Tue, 29 Jul 2014 20:39:49 +0400
mircea_popescu: how about that then ?
kakobrekla: maybe they got hacked?
mircea_popescu: <BigBitz> and I doubt coindesk use @gmail.com lol << obviously they use gmail.com.
BigBitz: Looks phishy also mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: idiots consider having "theirname"@twitter, gmail etc a business move.
mircea_popescu: it does not. it reads exactly at the level where coindesk articles read.
BigBitz: That 190.115.24.198 is nothing to do with CoinDesk or CloudFlare.
mircea_popescu: it wouldn't, think a moment.
assbot: Alert: Phishing Attempts Targeting CoinDesk
mike_c: Top one is exact copy kako got. i think it's phishers.
BigBitz: mircea_popescu ...
mircea_popescu: mike_c what would phishing do ?
mike_c: well, "phishing". they will ask for btc.
mircea_popescu: mike_c i have a lot of experience with wanna-be spammer kids. this is simply "plausible denial", as they understand it.
mircea_popescu: "let's spam and if anyone claims say we didn't do it, but if anyone buys all the better". this passes for business strategy, there.
BigBitz: Heh, wow.
BigBitz: that is... insane.
mircea_popescu: not like coindesk actually asking for money to publish is new or anything.
kakobrekla: option c: start phishing and then publish warning about attack on your site. this does not remove most potential victims but does remove guilt.
mike_c: someone should string them along a bit. that should make it obvious.
mircea_popescu: mike_c exactly
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3302 @ 0.00080081 = 2.6443 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: mike_c go ahead and get wol reviewed, it'll be lulzy.
mike_c: heh
mircea_popescu: ow shit, no, actulaly, i linked the logs in my response
mircea_popescu: advertise something unrelated.
mircea_popescu: <BigBitz> that is... insane. << spamworld isn't known for sanity. if the people involved could think clearly they'd do something else with their time.
BigBitz: Yeah but you're saying CoinDesk are doing it on purpose.
mircea_popescu: exactly.
BigBitz: but that other email is clearly phishing.
mircea_popescu: "clearly" in what sense.
kakobrekla: anyway i think we jumped the gun on this, fortunate no harm done in either case.
mircea_popescu: i wish there was some way to make a bitbet about this.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, there's not a shadow of a doubt in my mind that this is exactly coindesk.
los_pantalones: The Facebook URL was also pretty convincing – why would someone be stating a Facebook page that wasn’t their own ?
mike_c: "Should BitPay make dilutive issuances after June 19, 2014, D.BPAY will be diluted proportionally." << these terms usually aren't public. how are you going to orchestrate this?
mircea_popescu: mike_c they become public when they ipo cause they have to file.
mike_c: of course, but how do you handle dilutive private issuances?
mircea_popescu: at the time of payment.
mike_c: ah
mircea_popescu: it's there so people can correctly evaluate the risks involved. this is one.
mike_c: misunderstood, i get it.
mircea_popescu: if you buy 1mn worth of their 10mn total, then they issue another 90 and make it senior, then they ipo for 115mn
mircea_popescu: you're getting like... ouch.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33375 @ 0.00080301 = 26.8005 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: course one'd hope teh sec would prosecute that sorta fraud, but hey.
mike_c: pro rata is almost universally baked into early stage investments.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12100 @ 0.00080251 = 9.7104 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: except when it isn't, sort of thing
mircea_popescu: dub: assetteers sounds like part of a porno name << Alanis Assetteers ?
mircea_popescu: punkman: what happens when Diageo buys the old family distillery? does the product change or do they make sure it doesn't? << you're new, right ?
mircea_popescu: they make sure it doesn't change while it obviously does.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 462 @ 0.00267822 = 1.2373 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: pankkake: eheh. outrage-driven is clearly the right qualifier << i like the girl, she's got word propriety. this is a rare skill, as it requires a lot more in depth knowledge than your average internet tard can possibly muster.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: "Me siento con suerte" sounds like the title of a poem, doesn't have the same ring to it as "I'm feeling lucky" << srsly. most shit in spanish sounds poetic.
mircea_popescu: like say "te pica el coño ?"
mircea_popescu: !up kotarius
mircea_popescu: hm is 219 the most populos b-a ever been ?
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: why are you such a dick and just tell em you wont pay? << that's like -ev neh ?
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: lol Bollywood: http://imgur.com/a/6EMBE << yeah because three doods in a shirt and a bleeding mouth are such genius fresh and original visual concepts.
assbot: Bollywood - Imgur
kakobrekla: how is it -ev ?
mircea_popescu: totally their occuring in separate geographic locations has ntohing to do with the fact that well, so did myths, pre-internet.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla because consumer fucktard would really rather wait than do anything else
mircea_popescu: just as long as he has a good excuse.
mircea_popescu: or even a bad one.,
mircea_popescu: you never want to take away consumer fucktard's excuse. he gets pannicky and all the injured vanity yields rage.
ben_vulpes: ;;eauth ben_vulpes
gribble: Request successful for user ben_vulpes, hostmask ben_vulpes!~user@unaffiliated/benkay. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/2AFA1A9FD2D031DA
ben_vulpes: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:5523835736bf628e470dfc837212c83012c47e2c1b1d9b932ed66b3b
gribble: You are now authenticated for user ben_vulpes with key 2AFA1A9FD2D031DA
mircea_popescu: heya vulpy.
kakobrekla: you still think there is a risk of that eh
ben_vulpes: sup boss
mircea_popescu: that's one kickass name tbh.
mircea_popescu: ;;google dex vulpe
gribble: vulpe - Wikționar: <http://ro.wiktionary.org/wiki/vulpe>; Vulpe vulpes Stock Photo Images. 12 vulpe vulpes royalty free ...: <http://www.fotosearch.com/photos-images/vulpe-vulpes.html>; Nuclear Reassembly Excludes Large Macromolecules - Science: <http://www.sciencemag.org/content/238/4826/548.long>
mircea_popescu: (that's fox btw : vulpe vulpes. you're like ben fox)
mircea_popescu: but please OH PLEASE do me a favour, and if you have a girl
mircea_popescu: name her vulpe
ben_vulpes: vulpe vulpes?
mircea_popescu: it's like the best girl name anyway, but like this... omfg, i'll pay.
ben_vulpes: how much? doesn't come with access lol
mircea_popescu: yes, vulpes is the clade name of the proper fox.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes well i wouldn't buy the access FROM YOU.
mircea_popescu: prolly cheaper from her anyway, in time.
ben_vulpes: natch
mircea_popescu: the horror of the interwebs you know, imagine you're 40, just got divorced, and while going through some old websites find a convo where your parents decided your name 2 years prior to birth in an irc chat.
ben_vulpes: lady v's already pretty set on tallulah for a female name
ben_vulpes: cedar and oslo for boys
mircea_popescu: so make two.
mircea_popescu: MAKE ME A VULPE DAMNIT
ben_vulpes: nothing in life is free
mircea_popescu: this is starting to sound a lot like seven and soda.
mike_c: (hello to my children from the past)
mircea_popescu: ahahhh oh mikey... that's so sweet seriously.
mircea_popescu: !up unseen
unseen: thanks
mircea_popescu: yw. so who are you ?
mircea_popescu: dooglus is it coming back ? what do you figure ?
mike_c: !up dooglus
fluffypony: heyo dooglus
mircea_popescu: trixisowned: they removed this line <<< somehow one's unsurprised.
mircea_popescu: "investing" on unsigned contracts, the benefits.
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell pete_dushenki hey get in touch when you have a moment
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes: ;;seen pete_dushenki
gribble: I have not seen pete_dushenki.
fluffypony: bitcoinpete
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell pete_dushenski hey get in touch when you have a moment
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes: ;;seen pete_dushenski
gribble: pete_dushenski was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 13 hours, 32 minutes, and 24 seconds ago: <pete_dushenski> thanks be to nanotube !
fluffypony: ben_vulpes
ben_vulpes: fluffypony: NO.
fluffypony: his nick is bitcoinpete
ben_vulpes: ;;gettrust pete_dushenski
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user ben_vulpes to user pete_dushenski: Level 1: 2, Level 2: 4 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=ben_vulpes&dest=pete_dushenski | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=pete_dushenski | Rated since: Fri Mar 28 09:14:47 2014
fluffypony: it's going to take me weeks to get used to this
kakobrekla: whats with all the name switching
mike_c: kako_brekla
fluffypony: kakobrekla: change yours to kako_brekla
mike_c: inb4
fluffypony: lol mike_c, snap
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fluffypony: no thanks, maybe later
unseen: mircea_popescu: been lurking here for some time.
fluffypony: but I appreciate the offer
mike_c: bingo is the bash master. he must have hotkeys.
mircea_popescu: and a hot body.
unseen: General interest in MPEX, also you blog is fun to read
mircea_popescu: fluffypony so we seeing you as ric_spa soon ? :D
mircea_popescu: unseen cool.
fluffypony: not a chance :-P
mircea_popescu: such a hotbed of dissent this cha
fluffypony: I like my nick
mircea_popescu: dude we'll be like, in an airport with some russian doods one day, to watch how obama's plane is being shot down
fluffypony: it has a certain je ne sais quoi
mircea_popescu: and i'll be like... hey this here is ben vulpes, master of the vulpes. and this is pete d from canada
mircea_popescu: and this is... flu...uhm... pooo...yeah.
mircea_popescu: and they'll all laugh and you'll feel really bad.
fluffypony: nobody calls me fluffypony in real life
fluffypony: FP is fine
mircea_popescu: im colorblind!
mircea_popescu: anyway, i readily grant fluffypony's much better than bitcoinpete.
mircea_popescu: since im doing a cleanning here, anyone want bitcoin-financials.com/net/org ?
mircea_popescu: btcscoop.com ?
mike_c: speaking of dashes in urls. feels wrong that some squatter has bitcoinassets.com
unseen: so it is still 30BTC to join MPEX? used to be the same when BTC value was a lower?
kakobrekla: mike_c iirc someone tried to sell it that to me
mike_c: unseen: yup. coinbr lowered its pricing though
unseen: (noob prepares to get flamed)
mircea_popescu: unseen btc value was never lower.
mike_c: kakobrekla: no interest? just for 301?
fluffypony: unseen: 1 BTC = 1 BTC
fluffypony: if the fee was set in USD but BTC was accepted as payment it would fluctuate (in BTC terms), but if it's set in BTC it stays in BTC
kakobrekla: mike_c
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla how many people call you a faggot in the averagde week ?
kakobrekla: lots.
mike_c: haha, nice.
kakobrekla: even lampelina does it.
mircea_popescu: how does that make you feel ?
kakobrekla: straight.
mike_c: hell, i would take it for $200 for trolling :)
unseen: mircea_popescu i still convert BTC to fiat in my head before spending, bad habit I guess. ..
mircea_popescu: unseen well you can do whatever you want, but imagine i wrote to the new york times to ask them to revalue their subscripton costs because the "value" of the dolar in argentine pesos has changed.
mircea_popescu: which it has btw, 12.9 by now, this baby's gonna default.
kakobrekla: whoever doesnt take my 13 bucks offer is an idiot
kakobrekla: its 13 or 0.
mircea_popescu: you could offer 13 + 0.1 btc if they write the domain on their tits...
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mircea_popescu: fucking trolls these people. Subject: IMMEDIATE VERIFICATION required ; Body : [blablabla] You have a 15 day window from the time of the original registration to verify the email address.
mircea_popescu: holy shit sherlock, is it 15 days or immediate ?
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unseen: 13.5k € just to open an account, dang.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves: probly removed cuz they wanna use whatever the fuck amount whenever the fuck << well it looked funny cycling it 5k at a time.
mircea_popescu: unseen you know what they say, best time to open a mpex acct was when it was free. 2nd best is now.
mircea_popescu: not like it's ever going to be cheaper.
thick_as_thieves: this erik interview is lame
thick_as_thieves: sry for linking it
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves: i dont understand why the line was ever there though really << because children, essentially.
mircea_popescu: !up unseen
unseen: mircea_popescu true that.
mike_c: the mistake is the "just"
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves: my result is we need a new wot <<< what nonsense is this ?!
unseen: just?
mircea_popescu: there's no such thing as "a business account". businesses exist as declarations from people in the wot. sovereignity in business is invested with the principals, the business is just a wrapper.
mircea_popescu: much like irl sovereignity is invested in the king, personally.
mircea_popescu: the state is just a wrapper.
mike_c: unseen: if you think mpex is going to continue to be relevant and an account would be useful to you, then it's not expensive.
mircea_popescu: it's really a bad idea to get involved in bitcoin investment if 30 btc is a major hit to your holdings.
mike_c: unseen: may I ask, any reason you don't use coinbr?
mircea_popescu: maybe buy a safe vehicle build with you in mind, like mpif, through a broker
mircea_popescu: but essentially, the barriers are there to help you not to hinder you. like railings on mountain roads.
mircea_popescu: Blazedout419: how do you combat ratings trolls? <<< why would you ? and ever read http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/ ?
assbot: What the WoT is for, how it works and how to use it. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: (i know you think you know how it works, but srsly, read that thing)
unseen: mike_c counter-party risk. I like the PGP signed order system.
mike_c: ;;gettrust unseen jurov
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask jurov!~jurov@mx.coinbr.com. Trust relationship from user unseen to user jurov: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=unseen&dest=jurov | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=jurov | Rated since: Fri Jan 20 18:16:32 2012
mike_c: fwiw, i've never heard a complaint about coinbr.
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mircea_popescu: jurov you know what you need ? you need fdic.
mircea_popescu: would you be interested in working out a consumer insurance scheme ?
mike_c: or, maybe he needs an interface like mpex. might be a bigger market for that than one would think.
jurov: yes?
jurov: mike_c whole setup makes api unfeasible. unless i limit it to 1 call/user/ 5 seconds
mircea_popescu: lemme see how this'd work
mike_c: jurov: that might not be prohibitive. can't do hft anyway.
unseen: mike_c any company may run off with your BTC. Even if they looked legit for some time.
mike_c: well of course. mpex could too.
mike_c: mpex just ran off with everyone's btc a few weeks ago. luckily it got lonely and came back.
mircea_popescu: how the heck does one structure a depositor insurance thing in btc ;/
unseen: mike_c I decided to trust MPEX.
mircea_popescu: !up godovo
mike_c: fair enough.
godovo: thanks
mircea_popescu: yw. who are you ?
godovo: random white dude
fluffypony: is your being white important?
mircea_popescu: maybe he feels guilty about it.
unseen: mike_c seems to have a different quality than anything else in the bitcoin sphere. kinda like it.
godovo: fluffypony just as important as the dude part
mike_c: depositor insurance: the insurer publishes a list like this: coinbr insured accounts - sha256(act_id): amount, sha256(act_id): amount
mike_c: that way you can verify your account_id is on the list without it being public
mike_c: and account_id is a pgp public key
mircea_popescu: jurov this could work. you publish the list once a month on your blog, as mike describes, then i verify the totals.
mircea_popescu: no charge.
mircea_popescu: godovo can we has pdf tl;dr ?
godovo: they also used #bitcoin-otc logs
mike_c: looks like the localbitcoins florida case?
jurov: most of btc is in open bids
godovo: they used gribble auth to prove the nick really was him
mircea_popescu: caligirl huh.
mircea_popescu: godovo right and proper.
mike_c: oh, sry. more SR stuff
mircea_popescu: jurov so ?
mircea_popescu: oxycodone ? someone gives a shit !?
mircea_popescu: lmao orange county. srsly ?
jurov: mircea so you have no problem to compare stuff in past point of time?
mircea_popescu: they should just ship that county overseas.
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mircea_popescu: jurov what's the concern, that a bid gets hit just as you post ?
jurov: and it can change substantially in the course of month, maybe it should be published more often
mircea_popescu: mthreat now that guy i'd like to meet.
mircea_popescu: dja know him ?
mthreat: nope.. just saw it on the news
mthreat: I think it was on HN, oddly enough
mircea_popescu: jurov the point is not to give a n accurate list of accounts. the point is to have checkpoints showing you're not spending it on booze.
jurov: not a concern, just thinking loud
mircea_popescu: i dunno how exactly your users perceive your cp risks
mircea_popescu: mebbe ask them. "what'd make you feel better" thing
jurov: unseen, would above report signed by mpex help you?
mircea_popescu: mthreat well, sounds interesting
mike_c: my understanding is the cp risk is that jurov will run off to antartica with their assets.
mthreat: mircea_popescu: the ROI numbers sound good, on the surface anyway
mthreat: mircea_popescu: I'd be an excellent taxi driver
jurov: still, users shouldn't keep large btc balances on coinbr. place bids, get mpex receipt
mircea_popescu: you would, yes.
jurov: and watch the orderbook for nefarious activity
mircea_popescu: jurov yeah it's kinda redundant cause receipts anyway
mircea_popescu: well nm, was an idle thought
mircea_popescu: what is needed is perhaps more in depth explaining of how great the system is, as it is.
jurov: yea
unseen: jurov thinking about it.
mike_c: more in-depth won't get read. slapping a "insured by mpex" seal on the homepage will be seen.
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust dynamite
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user dynamite: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=dynamite | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=dynamite | Rated since: never
jurov: can i make the seal with the duble cherry truck?
mike_c: yes, but no smoky dragons
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust dynamite`
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user dynamite`: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=dynamite%60 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=dynamite%60 | Rated since: Wed Jan 2 17:42:41 2013
unseen: Mike
mircea_popescu: jurov srsly.
unseen: mike_c exactly
mike_c: there you go. btcalpha should start consulting.
mircea_popescu: http://pastebin.com/gKMdf7AF << kinda interesting. the guy's apparently net negative trust, and has been, since november.
assbot: [14:27] <Rallye> dude youre scamming me! [14:27] <dynamite`> how so? [14:27] < - Pastebin.com
mircea_popescu: well this particular texan cali girl will probably be happier in the pen than on the street anyway.
mircea_popescu: at least they do regular laundry runs there.
mircea_popescu: On October 9, 2013, I made contact with CALIGIRL utilizing the Bitmessage program and the 'trusted' Bitmessage address CALIGIRL provided. << nice use of airquotes there lol
mthreat: i used to pay $10/month for someone to do my laundry in 'da pen'
godovo: they really went above and beyond to catch this guy, impressive
mircea_popescu: ahahah not really above and beyond to catch him, just probing the shit out of it.
godovo: I bet he didn't see it coming, lol
mircea_popescu: the part where they degrade the arrangement to the point they talk to the guy on the phone, and then send direct dollars to his bank acct...
mircea_popescu: and then speak to jennifer, his gf...
mircea_popescu: o bro. so why was this guy connected to bitcoin anyway ? seems like an ordinary two bit crook with a beanie baby on the coffee table
mircea_popescu: doesn't make him a beanie baby anything.
mircea_popescu: The records turther detailed that the application was installed on an Apple iPhone that was titled 'Matthew Jones iphone. << secure minded fellow, he didn't use the carrier phone #, he got a special app.
mircea_popescu: THIS WAS BUILT FROM THE GROUND UP WITH SECURITY IN MIND!!!11
mircea_popescu: According to the records, the first and only outgoing call that was ever placed utilizing the account was to my undercover telephone number. This caff was pfaced on March 17, 2014 at 4:31 p.m. and went unanswered. Jones received three incoming calls that were answered. One call was from me and is detailed in this affidavit. The additjonal answered incoming telephone calls appear to have been from telemarketers.
mircea_popescu: omfg this is the funniest thing i ever read.
mircea_popescu: TWO OUT OF THREEE!
mircea_popescu: Blazedout419: for a business bad ratings can hurt more than for a regular user << this is widely held but empirically disproven. consider the muchly discussed case of bitbet.
mircea_popescu: mike_c: nanotube: why show "total points" on rating page? i thought that was supposed to be a meaningless number. << it's not entirely meaningless. it reflects the probability of a user being in your network.
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mircea_popescu: danielpbarron: i think all users should be able to give ratings; doesn't matter if they are trolls or scammers << it's not really a good idea, because spamming.
mircea_popescu: one could keep a machine on non stop to just bloat nanotube's db, making accts, rating everyone, rewash
mircea_popescu: it is GOOD that existent users can make new users unable to become users. this is the bitcoin implementation of slavery.
mircea_popescu: and slavery is right and proper. if you're not into the wot, that is at your peril, and at great cost to you.
mircea_popescu: bitcoin is not optional, bitcoin is mandatory. failure to get in line is punished, not tolerated.
mircea_popescu: hopefully within not so very long having to pay someone already in the wot to be able to get in the wot will be common practice, and then all will be well.
mircea_popescu: ;;rated danielpbarron
gribble: You have not yet rated user danielpbarron
mircea_popescu: ;;rate danielpbarron 1 Works at spreading teh words.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user danielpbarron has been recorded.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell genericpersona are you looking to get negrated or what exactly is it ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mike_c: " it reflects the probability of a user being in your network." << who needs probabilities? gettrust works.
artifexd: fluffypony: Sometimes I wonder if you are actually a small script that looks like "echo reddit.com"
fluffypony: hah hah
fluffypony: danielpbarron: I don't disagree with genericpersona, those ratings are far from the biggest threat to the WoT
mircea_popescu: mike_c srsly, think about it. if his score implies a 40% probability people you know know him and yet nobody does.. isn;'t that informative ?
fluffypony: and even though the WoT itself isn't quantitative, it doesn't mean that ratings can't have quantitatively reflect the value of dealings
mircea_popescu: "how did you manage a total score of 5000 while nobody of the 300 people i know ever dealt with you ?"
mike_c: ah, i see.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony the new orthodoxy being that ratings reflect the quality of your knowledge of the person. not the deal.
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fluffypony: mircea_popescu: my knowledge of a person could be limited to a single trade
mircea_popescu: it could yes. but it doesn't have to be.
fluffypony: I "know" nothing about them beyond that
fluffypony: so now I should not rate them?
mircea_popescu: maybe i know everything i need to know about a girl from seeing her tits online. that's a solid 10.
mircea_popescu: maybe i trade 5k btc a week with someone and i can't go past 1.
fluffypony: but it's still qualitative
mircea_popescu: yes, no argument there.
fluffypony: I'd expect that someone that wants to deal with them will come talk to me and say "I see you did a $100 trade with rg...is he trustworthy?"
mircea_popescu: but of a meta-question. you're basically scoring yourself. "hopw likely am i to be able to answer someones' q's about this guyu"
fluffypony: and I'll be like "he was fine at the time, but he's gone south since then."
mircea_popescu: that's the big point there. your rating quantity is not about them at all. it's about you. you're describing yourself, as a repository of knowledge.
mircea_popescu: so it's at least in principle and often practically difficult for a third party to dispute your ratings as appropriate or inappropriate.
fluffypony: so a much bigger threat to the WoT than a rating that reflects the trade is that few of us actually go and talk to the people raters to get a feel for the person we're about to deal with
mircea_popescu: rithm: no one will document that and take it seriously << a) no you can't and b) i seem to recall footage of hruschev with his shoe.
mircea_popescu: so your argument fails on both ends.
artifexd: And the positive or negative of the rating is an indication of whether you have negative or positive information?
mircea_popescu: fluffypony some of us are supposedly very good at reading people.
artifexd: Kinda like reading the negative reviews on Amazon first
mircea_popescu: artifexd basically.
fluffypony: jawohl
mircea_popescu: the wot would really work just as good as a balnced ternary sistem really.
mircea_popescu: mike_c: rithm: but it's only harmful if 'total points' is a thing. joe schmoe isn't going to change thhe gettrust between you and others. <<< if the wot db ends up larger than ten blockchains it may become a problem to host.
rithm: right but i still won't rate someone who i've not a) traded with or b) stalked because i have no knowledge of that person
rithm: rating someone because they look cool or seems smart is fruitless
rithm: and dangerous
mircea_popescu: well, how the fuck would i know ? maybe that's hoiw your magic works.
mircea_popescu: i won't presume to interfere in experts manner and expertise.
rithm: why can't i have a 5 for luke-jr
rithm: let's discuss it
mircea_popescu: in general tho, the wot benefits from fostering variety of approach. centralising a "set of rating practices" is actualy a valid attack
rithm: he's apeshit crazy, true
rithm: but i trust him with bitcoins
mircea_popescu: you can. which is why i didn't bitch at you when i finally beheaded him.
mircea_popescu: people wanting to figure him out can ask mp and find out he's a total tool, and ask you and find he's trustworthy with btc
rithm: apeshit crazy on one hand. moral compass and won't steal on the other
mircea_popescu: from this profile it becomes clear why he's dangerous : superficially trustworthy tool = mole.
rithm: i get to see a lot of ratings for stupid things like abortion
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust kakobrekla usagi
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user kakobrekla to user usagi: Level 1: 1, Level 2: -3 via 10 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=kakobrekla&dest=usagi | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=usagi | Rated since: Mon Jun 18 12:33:55 2012
rithm: i know for a fact i saw someone rate someone because of their abortion views
rithm: within the last 90 days
mircea_popescu: i thought it was more. anyway, for a long time kako had usagi + even if the consensus in the chan is -.
mircea_popescu: this sort of thing is both common and natural.
rithm: when i see kids negrate flamewar each other for political views, i tend to stick to the 1:1 trade mentality
mircea_popescu: political views are just as valid as economical views. the distinction is not nearly as clear cut as you'd like it to imagine.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10787 @ 0.00080517 = 8.6854 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron: well nanotube should make it so you can always give ratings, or maybe base it on an L2 thing like assbot does <<< it already is. in order to be able to rate you need to be linked to google.
mircea_popescu: it's not enough to have high ratings from disconnected subgraphs.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves: now you can't escape the system << this is exactly true.
mircea_popescu: why do you think it's called la serenissima ?
mircea_popescu: jurov: the solution is to not have one global wot for everything << i don't see it.
mircea_popescu: however you implement it, the situation in fact is that you have one global wot for everything.
mircea_popescu: just like there's one global currency for everything, that's the nature of currencies whether they measure trust or capital or whatever form of that same underlying.
mircea_popescu: rithm: right then we just devolve into some sort of ruling wot class << this is not properly called "devolve". this is improvement.
rithm: lol
rithm: i added that "d" on the front
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rithm: after the fact
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> unseen you know what they say, best time to open a mpex acct was when it was free. 2nd best is now. << also, don't blow your btc stack on a seat.
ben_vulpes: unseen: see above
mircea_popescu: the cost with a car should be 5% the car, 95% the gas. not 95% the car then sit around it listening to music.
ben_vulpes: insurance! i was just thinking about putting 1 btc on no for "MPEx defaults by sept 2015"
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes what dickwolves incident ?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes ill put one too.
ben_vulpes: ;;google dickwolves
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mircea_popescu: thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: is copying mircea_popescu << no he's copying pete.
ben_vulpes: hey assholes i know a good idea when i see one
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller doesn't :D
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6513 @ 0.00080517 = 5.2441 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 200 @ 0.00268199 = 0.5364 BTC [+]
jurov: <mircea_popescu> jurov: the solution is to not have one global wot for everything << i don't see it. << there may be one global, but there will always be plenty of local ones, often with contradicting information
ben_vulpes: !up unseen
unseen: mircea_popescu:the cost with a car should be 5% the car, 95% the gas. not 95% the car then sit around it listening to music. << so basically stack of 600BTC recommended for a seat at the table
unseen: not quite there yet.
unseen: will try the coinbr thing, though
danielpbarron: unseen, idk if someone already gave you one, but here's a referal url https://coinbr.com/ref?c=k8M6x13ebV :D
assbot: About CoinBr
midnightmagic: the statement of a trust factor is the person making the judgement. if the WoT is dual, then the person would conceivably be forced to make more than one update, so the win would be externalizing the cost in terms of time onto the end-users. a second WoT would be useful in the event that the trust statements were of non-overlapping domains, such as trading confidence vs. (say) physics capability. "I trust this guy to correctly
midnightmagic: work out awesome physics problems." "I don't trust this guy to trade bitcoins with, he keeps stealing meat off my BBQ when I'm not looking." Or better yet, more narrowly, "I trust this guy, but I don't trust his ability to evaluate other peoples' trust."
HeySteve: believe I've found the answer to America's border security issues: http://www.global-unlimited.com/Pages/Wildlife/SALeeuw.html
assbot: Lions get killed by aids
unseen: danielpbarron will use it ;-)
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: Lol
assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021715 B (Total: 474.86 B). Delta: -0.43 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00021999 BTC [+]
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atcbot: 8k@260 17k@250 22k@248 | 32k@210 5k@204 50k@203
mike_c: %p
atcbot: [CoinMiner Hashrate]: 0.03 TH/s [PityThePool Hashrate]: 1727.91 GH/s
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 687182.56 Est. Next Diff: 540020.36 in 686 blocks (#42336) Est. % Change: -21.42
BingoBoingo: !up GodHatesFigs
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16964 @ 0.00079659 = 13.5134 BTC [-]
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ben_vulpes: argh fuck the t1.micro
jurov: ben_vulpes they introduced t2.micro, should be better
jurov: but i suspect you just can't upgrade by restarting
mike_c: hey look, panacea made some pips today.
mike_c: generally you can change instance types by shutting down and switching.
jurov: found it: T2 instances require HVM AMIs. if you have non-HVM, must rebuild it.
ben_vulpes: luckily, my deploys are entirely scripted.
ben_vulpes: <strike>luckily</strike>
ben_vulpes: s/deploys/provisioning
ben_vulpes: garhgrhagrhgra english you whore
BingoBoingo: !up whynotbit
BingoBoingo: hello whynotbit
whynotbit: Hello BingoBoingo
BingoBoingo: whynotbit: What brings you here today?
whynotbit: curiosity I may say !
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jurov: hi moiety
jurov: !up moiety
moiety: hihi ty jurov
moiety: my ears were burning form the logs XD
moiety: i saved my flat!!!!!! \o/
moiety: how's everyone here?
jurov: congrats
BingoBoingo: Congratulation
moiety: thank you! been really scared cus i only just got the thing
moiety: hard work pays off :D
ben_vulpes: fluffypony: ping ping ping ping ping
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.2800001 = 0.56 BTC [-]
jurov: moiety what do you think about doing video tutorial for gpg auth?
jurov: it'd need to be extra for mac and extra for windows
moiety: can i please say "present" instead of "current" if it comes up?!
jurov: nope. say "contemporary"
jurov: ;)
moiety: lol XD as long as it doesn't sound like i'm saying cunt!
jurov: cuntemporary?
BingoBoingo: moiety: Well, it won't sound like that to other scots at least
jurov: test it on TaT
moiety: i'm getting a better mic as well so things should sound better
moiety: ;; later tell mike_c happy to re-record your videos when better mic arrives if you would like
gribble: The operation succeeded.
jurov: good. would be 0.5BTC okay for both? i'll then add "sponsored by CoinBr" stuff
moiety: totally! just give me a script and i can tweak any bits once you hear it
jurov: just film yourself doing it.. or you're using linux, too?
jurov: anyone'd like to help with wondows/mac script then?
jurov: or if you don't have the hardware, someone other will do and you'll only voiceover
HeySteve: ;;rate DreadKnight 1 AncientBeast.com developer
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user DreadKnight has been recorded.
moiety: i use winblows jurov
jurov: okay, so we'll figure mac later
artifexd: I have a mac we can use
jurov: the script would be you installing gpg4win, first time registering with gribble and authentication
BigBitz: i usemac
artifexd: nameserv registration too
artifexd: With SET ENFORCE ON
jurov: yes, would be good
jurov: all clear? and it can wait for better mic.
moiety: all clear :]
jurov: when done, we'll do the same for ios
jurov: !up pogakuofie
dub: thats a lot of work for .5 you miser
pogakuofie: thanks : jurov :
jurov: well, you can throw something in the pot if you think it will be useful
pogakuofie: when i get it will
jurov: moiety, dub thinks you're cheap :)
moiety: good to know
moiety: perhaps someone else would be better placed doing this actually
moiety: dub: i said yes when i didn't realise it was all the recording as well
jurov: well, now you realise. you can name the price
dub: make him do the screengrab for you to voice
BigBitz: there is a video for otc auth i think...
BigBitz: is that what you're planning to create?
pogakuofie: the big dip has started
BigBitz: if so I can also help out if necessary. I can show you how to do it on Mac with GPG command line. Really simple little script.
pogakuofie: yea i saw that video
pogakuofie: but having problem get auth
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moiety: I'd be happy to do the voice over
pogakuofie: you doing another video
pogakuofie: that one wasnt clear
pogakuofie: hope its windows>>
jurov: moiety, would it be so hard to recreate your own setup?
jurov: http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/GPG_authentication i see, there is one but poor quality and the iOS link is dead
assbot: GPG authentication - bitcoin-otc wiki
moiety: I didn't say it would be hard
jurov: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HVSVIibZJc also this one, but with commandline gpg (under windows!) and key creation is not shown
assbot: GPG Web of Trust Tutorial for #bitcoin-otc - YouTube
moiety: i don't know when i'm going to get time to do this, is what i'm saying
jurov: okay
moiety: !up napedia
moiety: !up pogakuofie
thick_as_thieves: <+moiety> i'm getting a better mic as well so things should sound better // which?
moiety: unsure as yet thick_as_thieves all i know is i need a pop filter?
moiety: I have some other voice things to do
thick_as_thieves: depends on budget
thick_as_thieves: the default is probly and SM7b
thick_as_thieves: but thats $350 or so and you then need a preamp
thick_as_thieves: your voice though, could get away with a SM57 just fine i bet
moiety: christ i didn't know they would be that much
thick_as_thieves: SM57 would be $100
moiety: oh thats fine tho
thick_as_thieves: still need a preamp though
thick_as_thieves: do you have one?
thick_as_thieves: something to give phantom power
moiety: i have no idea what it is, so i doubt it
thick_as_thieves: basically the thing(s) between your mic and pc
moiety: sorry, theres a lot more to this than i initially thought
moiety: the advice is much appreciated, thank you thick_as_thieves
thick_as_thieves: something like this would be cheapest thing to take seriously:http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/TubeMPpsUSB
kakobrekla: re mic, you can get philips wm61a capsules for a few bucks each
asciilifeform: gentlemen, wtf with the underscores ?
thick_as_thieves: that's not for voice i dont think
thick_as_thieves: for like video cameras?
kakobrekla: its flat over human hearing range
kakobrekla: more or less.
thick_as_thieves: but close proximity?
thick_as_thieves: pop nightmare
kakobrekla: dunno i used it for spl measuring and stuff
thick_as_thieves: with voice you want it to not have a lot of range
thick_as_thieves: to get out room noise
thick_as_thieves: get out = avoid
kakobrekla: asciilifeform i had the same doubts and for response i got underscores thrown in my head.
artifexd: ;;ident thick_as_thieves
gribble: CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'thick_as_thieves', with hostmask 'thick_as_thieves!~ThickAsTh@unaffiliated/thickasthieves', is identified as user 'ThickAsThieves', with GPG key id B28732FE807495EC, key fingerprint D649FD3B664A6BCF801D727EB28732FE807495EC, and bitcoin address 1NfXM69erAWPDdNrZ2k2UkuV7HDPc6Ebwk
thick_as_thieves: it's really me, just wearing different socks today
artifexd: Just making sure. :)
mike_c: much better, cooler socks
moiety: thanks for the advice guys :] i think it will be a while before i can get set up withthat properly
thick_as_thieves: no worries
thick_as_thieves: it's mic and preamp in one
thick_as_thieves: and it's a ball
thick_as_thieves: so there's that
moiety: o i like that... i like it all in together, less for me to break
thick_as_thieves: more to break at once
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 50 @ 0.01528543 = 0.7643 BTC [+] {6}
moiety: awtrue D;; lol
jurov: ;;tslb
gribble: Time since last block: 18 minutes and 17 seconds
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19450 @ 0.00079586 = 15.4795 BTC [-]
assbot: ersatz - Imgur
assbot: My wife didn't want to take maternity pictures, so I hired a photographer and took her place... - Imgur
thick_as_thieves: asciilifeform what will you be plotting?
asciilifeform: thick_as_thieves: solder paste
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3750 @ 0.00079602 = 2.9851 BTC [+]
assbot: How and Why to Build an Unbanked Bitcoin ATM | Bitcoinism
moiety: omg at that album thick_as_thieves :'D lolol
danielpbarron: http://www.justice.gov/usao/flm/press/2014/May/20140530_Jones_Complaint.pdf << DEA report on -otc user named Dynamite`, busted for selling on silk road
asciilifeform: parallel construction; snore.
BingoBoingo: parellel construction seems likely for anything police in the US do these days
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the parallel construction in the case of your local doughnut eater is largely 'automatic' - i.e., they get 'anonymous tip' and proceed via traditional means
BingoBoingo: Ah, yeah. 'anonymous tip' prolly belongs in scare quotes from now on.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.28000005 = 1.12 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20375 @ 0.00079458 = 16.1896 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12075 @ 0.00079417 = 9.5896 BTC [-]
HeySteve: ;;tell thick_as_thieves ThickAsThieves: something like turn namecoin in a wot <- was working on exactly this
BingoBoingo: !up Duffer1
BingoBoingo: !up fordlincoln
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6869 @ 0.000789 = 5.4196 BTC [-]
assbot: Idiocracy Is a Cruel Movie And You Should Be Ashamed For Liking It
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ROCK] 5000 @ 0.00072021 = 3.6011 BTC [-] {7}
DreadKnight: erm Idiocracy is one of my fav movies
DreadKnight: !up TheRelic
DreadKnight: the current ghetto I'm living in is real proof of that movie, making it funny because it's real
DreadKnight: families of 5 living in a single small room and having huge debts
BingoBoingo: Yeah, Idiocracy being cruel doens't necessarily mean it is untrue
mthreat: %tslb
atcbot: 11 minutes and 42 seconds
DreadKnight: thanks for article share, will read it soon
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32225 @ 0.00078805 = 25.3949 BTC [-] {2}
thick_as_thieves: <+HeySteve> ;;tell thick_as_thieves ThickAsThieves: something like turn namecoin in a wot <- was working on exactly this /// how's it going?
thick_as_thieves: mike_c i love the analysis
thick_as_thieves: I hadnt seen enky's latest post yet, but i too am having some concerns about current demand
thick_as_thieves: however, the USMS should have news about the SR auction in a week or two, which could spark something
mircea_popescu: ;;tell genericpersona that's not your call to make. now stop dicking around while you still have a dick to dick around with.
thick_as_thieves: who is genericpersona?
thick_as_thieves: someon ei hav eignored?
thick_as_thieves: must be vancleef or sumth
mircea_popescu: some -otc derp i imagine.
mircea_popescu: people from tennessee imagining beijing is a suburb of chattanooga.
HeySteve: thick_as_thieves, we got pretty far. forked NMC and had a blockchain running you could use to add and retrieve public keys and other details like name, email, business, etc.
HeySteve: my dev in thailand has dropped off the radar lately tho
HeySteve: I had the idea but know next to nothing about code so he was doing the heavy lifting there
mircea_popescu: i vaguely recall the discussion from back thewn
thick_as_thieves: programmers, can't work with em, can't work without em
HeySteve: (perhaps it's more accurate to say I re-had the idea, seeing as nanotube was looking at decentralising the WoT ages ago)
DreadKnight: thick_as_thieves, you said it :\
DreadKnight: most coders have a god complex
mircea_popescu: most coders are god, stop hating :D
BingoBoingo: Huh, I can't seem to see a genericpersona derping in the lawgs
HeySteve: yep. I'll send him another message, ask him to come here and talk about it
thick_as_thieves: or dog complex
assbot: Justice for Paige Striker - raped at 14!
dub: tribal neck tattoos, edgy
mircea_popescu: dub they don't really pay for extras in these shoots.
mircea_popescu: basically just pick up w/e the cats are dragging in the street.
mircea_popescu: Long story short - I hired Shawn and Pixeldust Marketing late in 2013 to redesign our web site https://www.pinnaclecredit.com/ (note: his design was junk and we did not use it) Shawn started a relationship with our 14 year old daughter Paige behind our back. We found out Jan 2014 she had gotten pregnant by Shawn and had an abortion! Shawn is in his 30s!
mircea_popescu: ok that's just good dirt.
mircea_popescu: who is this dood.
assbot: Login
mircea_popescu: "We charged him with sexual assault but our daughter would not cooperate and he was not convicted." << this doth not sound much like rape.
assbot: View the profile of evershawn
asciilifeform: pixeldust << synthetic dope that drives user mad while giving him extraordinary strength? (or was that another 'dust' ?)
BingoBoingo: Pixie dust, PCP
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28250 @ 0.00078568 = 22.1955 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: pcp is more of a cop/courthouse legend from the 80s
assbot: Scammer - Martin Lawrence - St. Albert - Alberta, Canada
mircea_popescu: not a hippy or someone that backs down. well...
asciilifeform: legend, afaik, is based on the 'feature' of it being anaesthetic without any soporific effect - so user could indeed use 'great strength' at the cost of tearing muscles.
asciilifeform hasn't tried, can't confirm
BingoBoingo: PCP is a dissociative anesthetic similar to ketamine, but with less effect on the ability to move skeletal muscles
asciilifeform was once offered ~1k usd by employer to take ketamine, somehow never got around to it
asciilifeform: (usg trials. for some reason, just about all the tear-off tabs on the 'volunteers needed' ad - stayed attached. one can infer that most people want > 1k usd for this.)
asciilifeform: recently saw the very same ad on uni. campus. apparently they're still testing.
mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> PCP is a dissociative anesthetic similar to ketamine, but with less effect on the ability to move skeletal muscles << exactly so.
mircea_popescu: you don't hear reports about keto hipsters throwing fire trucks at airplanes.
mircea_popescu: or w/e bs.
BingoBoingo: Because deep in the k-hole you can't fire signals to move around. That deep in PCP that body runs blind
asciilifeform: in the actual police documents, the plausible data - suspect requiring a few more doughnut eaters than usual to subdue
BingoBoingo: Basically in the PCP hole, body can't report pain/sensory data to the brain and brain can't impose coherent order upon the body.
HeySteve: just downloaded DAZ studio and experimenting
HeySteve: couldn't get the pose as extreme as in the "kitchen" pic but it's fairly close: http://i.imgur.com/cn01ZnT.jpg
HeySteve: fun program!
BingoBoingo: mike_c: How is forum lyfe?
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> gentlemen, wtf with the underscores ? // my handle's been outdated by reality for a long time now.
mike_c: quiet. i wasn't sure what to expect, but so far it has been indifference. i didn't post at a great time, late at night. thinking about getting some people to bump it. not sure what to do yet.
asciilifeform assumed ben_vulpes is actually named 'ben fox' when first saw
mircea_popescu: mike_c's fate, to linger between indifference and insanity.
mike_c: i looked at the price for advertising and was shocked. 1 slot (which is 1/8 of impressions) for 1 week is going for ~3 btc
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's a point of great wonder, the man not only had the means to find a girl actually named fox after her father, but sense enough to switch names.
mircea_popescu: mike_c yes, for as long as it lasts milking the scampit is lucrative.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: lit. "son of the fox" - albeit pidgin hebrew
ben_vulpes: (/aramaic)
mike_c: big buyer was cex.io
mike_c: which needs constant chump fuel
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 274 @ 0.0035819 = 0.9814 BTC [-] {12}
ben_vulpes: <mike_c> i looked at the price for advertising and was shocked. 1 slot (which is 1/8 of impressions) for 1 week is going for ~3 btc << >?!
ben_vulpes: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 583.5, Best ask: 583.99, Bid-ask spread: 0.49000, Last trade: 583.5, 24 hour volume: 3794.65763213, 24 hour low: 578.0, 24 hour high: 591.95, 24 hour vwap: 582.780620021
ben_vulpes: ah that's not so bad
assbot: Advertise on this forum - Round 127
mircea_popescu: mike_c yeah, cex.io is spending a lot on advertising. google too.
mike_c: bitmain bought half the slots this week
ben_vulpes: how many impressions?
ben_vulpes: "impressions"
ben_vulpes vomits
mircea_popescu: tbh i'd rather advertise on 4chan.
mike_c: 377877 per slot
mircea_popescu: mike_c per week ?!
ben_vulpes: i suppose people don't care if things are quantifiable, only if they put their stuff in front of the right audience
mike_c: ;;calc [ticker --last] * 3 / 378
gribble: 4.61785714286
mike_c: 4.60 cpm. high, but not outrageous i guess
mircea_popescu: you have got to be kidding me, 400k impressions a day is ludicrous. trilema does more than the tardstalk ?!
mike_c: that is 1 slot (1/8 of total)
asciilifeform: 'impression' ~= page load ?
mircea_popescu: but for the whole week ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform pretty much.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu> you have got to be kidding me, 400k impressions a day is ludicrous. trilema does more than the tardstalk ?! << tardstalk has prolly already bored all the spooks
mike_c: oh, sry. that was only for logged-in users
mike_c: 1,526,113 per day for the whole site if my fogged-brain is doing this right
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> ;;tell genericpersona that's not your call to make. now stop dicking around while you still have a dick to dick around with. // a dick with which to around?
mircea_popescu: that's saner.
asciilifeform: ~4/min. is approx. what i see on my site. which is quite obscure.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes a dick with which to dick.
mike_c: ;;calc [ticker --last] * 3 / 1526
gribble: 1.14802096986
mike_c: that is a more reasonable cpm
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform your site's not that obscure, for one. 4k is not much on the other.
asciilifeform: it was ~1/min before it started to live in the #b-a log.
mircea_popescu: mike_c about a degree of magnitude too much, but hey.
asciilifeform: (i also see quite a few 'trilema' headers)
mike_c: well, you figure 0.1% ctr? so you pay $1 per click
mike_c: probably worth it for bitmain
mircea_popescu: mike_c like for neobee.
mike_c: bitmain isn't scammer afaik. that's antminer, right? they deliver.
mircea_popescu: it's not worth it for any of them, just, they don';t have the option not to do it. if they don't do it they don;t exist. so gotta do it.
BingoBoingo: Well isn't bitmain the people actually delivering asics now?
mircea_popescu: mike_c well one doesn't have to be a scammer for the roi to not be there.
mike_c: mircea_popescu: i believe that is the point for buyers like 'indacoin', whatever the hell that is
mike_c: idk.. you also get the eyeballs. the 'see-throughs'.
mircea_popescu: http://theumlaut.com/2014/07/29/a-gentle-introduction-to-neoreaction-for-libertarians/ << so check it out, teh princess manges to go through an entire mile long post about right wing anarchy throwing out ~1k links, never mentions trilema.
assbot: A Gentle Introduction to Neoreaction (for Libertarians) | The mlaut
mircea_popescu: fuck me, i thought myself the alpha and omega of right wing anarchy. i guess i don't get out enough.
mike_c: thick_as_thieves:mike_c i love the analysis << thx :) it was fun.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: actually 99%+ of the material, afaik, these folks would find agreeable, is... in russian. (they're, unsurprisingly, quite unaware.)
mircea_popescu: (quite unsurprisingly. it is the curse of the us-ian, this particular stupidity, to have to reinvent everything, make it shoddier and flimsier and strut proudly. but hey, at least some stones in a hat taught him ancient aramaic)
asciilifeform: people who can't read - will reinvent. no surprised here.
mircea_popescu: "in the end, success is 1% reading and 99% getting your name out there!"
mike_c: wait, what percentage is work?
mircea_popescu: what is work ?
asciilifeform: success... name out there << is this quote from 'spam like a pro in 21 days' ?
mike_c: holy link-fest. let me add that along with excessive footnotes to my list of ways to make your post unreadable.
mircea_popescu: quite is from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSjLiQxEZlM if it wasn't obvious.
assbot: You can do Anything! - YouTube
asciilifeform is seeing this marvel for the first time
mircea_popescu: you also should get out more ?
mircea_popescu: mike_c i dun think it was intended to be read, i think it was intended to get me to read all this crud.
mircea_popescu: i fucking can't to, it feels like all the idiot kids that i flunked in philosophy class ran off and made blogs.
DreadKnight: asciilifeform, welcome around
DreadKnight: oh sorry, scratch that
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37700 @ 0.00078568 = 29.6201 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: unwelcome around!
asciilifeform saw title 'you can do anything', expected a film where idiots try to fly jets, dive submarines, like in a certain ancient story by sheckley
mircea_popescu: welcome asquare!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, see, historically idiocy was falsifiable, but since it met this retarded civilisation of safety...
mircea_popescu: it just can't find its onw level anymore.
mike_c: i haven't seen much snl. that video is great
assbot: - <b>THE PRIZE OF PERIL</b>
mircea_popescu: mike_c the rest of snl is not there yet. sort-of how the aliens with a telephone are half sesame street.
asciilifeform: oops wrong link
asciilifeform: actually nope. right one.
BingoBoingo: !up the20year
mircea_popescu: jurov: there may be one global, but there will always be plenty of local ones, often with contradicting information << now this i see.
BingoBoingo: !up the20year1
the20year1: There?
the20year1: Alright, i can't ever remember which one i'm logged into, i've got like 4 IRC nicks now
the20year1: sweeet
the20year1: Seeems that hookers n blow comment has finally come up on the forums, i feel like such a celeb
mircea_popescu: jurov: good. would be 0.5BTC okay for both? i'll then add "sponsored by CoinBr" stuff << cool beanz
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: parallel construction; snore. << indeed. that idiot had no business no way and no means doing so many columbia flights.
mircea_popescu: he's someone's something, which also neatly explains why they put one of the few dea agents with a functioning brain on the case, and spent so much time and effort on it.
mircea_popescu: now whose what... meh, i dun gas.
mircea_popescu: justusranvier my idea at least is that an atm is the most fucktarded idea one could come up with.
mircea_popescu: specifically : an atm requires a fortress. we have not yet built the fortress. when we do, you will know we have, because i will kidnap a number of "world leaders" wives and daughters to be publicly raped there as to make the fucking point that in fact it IS a fortress.
mircea_popescu: on the other hand, an atm is addressed to and aims to serve the public. bitcoin does not.
mircea_popescu: so for these considerations, it makes about as much sense to talk of bitcoin atms as it makes sense to talk of using wet matches to shoot down Mars.
the20year1: bitcoin doesn't serve the public?
mircea_popescu: the20year1 only incidentally. but principally , bitcoin serves the elite.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29300 @ 0.00078547 = 23.0143 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: (no, not THAT one, this one, but what the hell's the difference)
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: Yeah, Idiocracy being cruel doens't necessarily mean it is untrue <<< kinda meh slapsticky nonsense imo, but hey.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well more nonsense when you aren't in the thick of ground zero
mircea_popescu: granted, i know not of what i speak.
the20year1: if bitcoin only serves the elite, then why pass out flyers?
justusranvier: The Bitcoin ATMs I describe serve the Bitcoin traders. Frees them up from having to meet at the same time to perform their trades.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.27 = 2.16 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15500 @ 0.00078948 = 12.2369 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: Actual Internet Etiquette: Trackbacks and Spam | Bingo Blog
assbot: Why one New Jersey school district killed its student laptop program | Ars Technica
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.2959999 = 0.888 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: !up TheNewDeal
TheNewDeal: why thank you sir
BingoBoingo: You are welcome
TheNewDeal: hows your evening treating you
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.2959999 = 0.592 BTC [+]
TheNewDeal: or if it's that time
BingoBoingo: Not too bad.
TheNewDeal: any decent limericks surfaced lately ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12196 @ 0.00078477 = 9.5711 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: an atm requires a fortress... << to house the mechanism itself? or, its owner?
TheNewDeal: to not be robbed
asciilifeform: is the presumption that the 'saecular authorities' will not prosecute the theft of a btc atm ?
asciilifeform: or, that they will perpetrate said theft ?
asciilifeform: (in which case, what kind of fortress could possibly suffice)
BingoBoingo: Mega lolz: "Adwords Robot USA/UK favorited your Tweet"
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