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assbot: Strict Liability pg 1 | The Illustrated Guide to Law
mircea_popescu: yeah. it's a good blog.
asciilifeform: good guide to what 'nation of laws' means in practice.
mircea_popescu: !up GodHatesFigs
DreadKnight: so how come big companies like Apple and such don't buy back all the shares? I can think of a few possible reasons but maybe I'm missing something important...
DreadKnight: s/shares/stocks
DreadKnight: well nvm, reading up a lot of articles on the subject
mircea_popescu: !up damier
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 23 @ 0.16308646 = 3.751 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 51 @ 0.01505 = 0.7676 BTC [+]
assbot: The crime of being American pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: benkay lol rootless cosmopolitan is u.
benkay: can't quite say what i am
benkay: no idea, really.
benkay: "optimizer of future degrees of freedom" is the closes i've come lately.
assbot: The crime of being American pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: yeah, comment count at 103k now, ayear later.
benkay: for those following along at home, the 1st comic in the hotlinked legal horrorshow: http://thecriminallawyer.tumblr.com/post/13656784545/1-introduction-crime
assbot: 1 Introduction - "CRIME" - The Illustrated Guide to Law
mircea_popescu: you know the guy's site is linked above
mircea_popescu: cause wol is advertising on it
benkay takes note of all the places new MPEx properties advertise
mircea_popescu: http://www.utopiatemple.com/ << i used to play this 20 years ago
assbot: Formatters, Calculators, News and Forums - Utopia Temple
benkay: in derpy consulting companyville, a small and attention-draining project has been completed and discharged which is *awesome*, for both the money and the cognitive bandwidth. we've an agreement in principle with another client to take more of a technical project management role, handling more of the coordination of roadmap + code production and moving the product along while the ceo feller focuses on sales and other higher-level
benkay: concerns.
benkay: and another project is basically closed but we're still in the dance-around-and-grab-at-each-other's-nuts phase w/r/t actual working relationship and what has one
mircea_popescu: lo cool.
benkay: vision for next 2 years is to grab bigger and bigger slices of the pie, maybe using mobile as a wedge and demonstrating kickassery and then expanding scope to whatever can be had and paid for.
benkay: i'm starting to realize also that an engineering team that's blitting from one project to another is never going to be as effective as the same team focused on roadmap and cohesive set of business objectives.
benkay: which in retrospect, duh
benkay: subject only of stories that are not scams or threesomes
benkay: night all
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 270 @ 0.00297711 = 0.8038 BTC [-]
jurov: "we're still in the dance-around-and-grab-at-each-other's-nuts phase" benkay is a poet
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 298 @ 0.00297732 = 0.8872 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.0008217 = 2.6294 BTC [-]
fluffypony: re: the discussion on having kids
cazalla: it's a lot of fun fluffypony
cazalla: it's just the total lack of sex that shocked me more than anything
cazalla: comic needs to add baby is also covered in piss and vomit, not just shit
fluffypony: hah hah
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4671 @ 0.0029775 = 13.9079 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 500 @ 0.0029775 = 1.4888 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 183 @ 0.002975 = 0.5444 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1576 @ 0.0029775 = 4.6925 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 281 @ 0.00297971 = 0.8373 BTC [+] {11}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1780 @ 0.00299987 = 5.3398 BTC [+] {9}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 832 @ 0.00305 = 2.5376 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 675 @ 0.0030884 = 2.0847 BTC [+] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2333 @ 0.0031078 = 7.2505 BTC [+] {10}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 500 @ 0.003 = 1.5 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 57 @ 0.01469041 = 0.8374 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 288 @ 0.00290114 = 0.8355 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 500 @ 0.00288889 = 1.4444 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3100 @ 0.00082234 = 2.5493 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 660 @ 0.00285398 = 1.8836 BTC [-] {21}
assbot: Venture Scanner : Real-time coverage on emerging technology markets. : 3D Printing : Bitcoin : Digital Health : Connected Transportation : Future of TV
fluffypony: "A market map of the entire Bitcoin startup ecosystem"
fluffypony: ie. who got given money for their shitty idea
kakobrekla: coindesk "hey i am spam in your email, want to give me money for an article"
kakobrekla: bit4x "wait, let me find the quote, go fuck yourself"
kakobrekla: coindesk "faggot!"
kakobrekla: tru story.
ThickAsThieves: PETA got pwnt
ThickAsThieves: coindesk called you a faggot? tell reddit!
ThickAsThieves: such malicious communication
Duffer1: odd activity on PETA
Duffer1: what happened?
Duffer1: nm i already stopped caring
thestringpuller: !up Vexual
ThickAsThieves: i didnt know Portishead made a new album in 2008, it's actually good as the other stuff
Vexual: 2 albums total?
Vexual: oh
ThickAsThieves: Dummy, Self-titled, Third
ThickAsThieves: then the live stuff
Vexual: dont have 3rd
ThickAsThieves: which is pretty good
Vexual: indeed
ThickAsThieves: check out Third man
ThickAsThieves: pretty good
Vexual: i will
Vexual: ;;diff
gribble: 1.8736441558310238E10
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 687182.56 Est. Next Diff: 613819.23 in 990 blocks (#42336) Est. % Change: -10.68
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 15.27184064 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 1328 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 255 @ 0.00285098 = 0.727 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.67951300 BTC to 12`515 shares, 13420 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 300 @ 0.00285016 = 0.855 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.17199714 = 1.204 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.17432335 = 1.2203 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 20 @ 0.02701639 = 0.5403 BTC [-]
FabianB: $traded
benkay: amazing software
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
kuzetsa: mircea_popescu: what's with the spam tool?
mircea_popescu: kuzetsa it made me chuckle
kuzetsa: ah ok
kuzetsa: "spintax" ... sigh :(
mircea_popescu: (i made some comments about buying traffic yest, now im innundated with people pitching their various traffic generating offerings. some are lulzy)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 20 @ 0.02701639 = 0.5403 BTC [-]
DreadKnight: yeah, a lot of shady people are using bots and such to sell their magic crapware
DreadKnight: facebook allows for scheduled posts anyway, pretty powerful stuff, considering most posts don't make it to your fans and you need to spam
DreadKnight: my fb wall is filled with cleavage, gj Mark.
benkay: !s f.derp
mircea_popescu: cleavage ain't that bad.
DreadKnight: everything has pros and cons though :)
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: cleavage ain't that bad. <- that's what Klye thought too :-P
mircea_popescu: lol how's that ?
fluffypony: he thought cleavage was going to make him millions
DreadKnight: it worked pretty well with Riot and League of Legends, lots characters / skins having that in-game and there's also Nikasaur chick presenting the community fanart showcase on youtube channel
DreadKnight: that game is like tailored for underage wankers
mircea_popescu: what, old men don't like teat ?
DreadKnight: old men are more into the real thing
mircea_popescu: ya think ?
benkay: !mpif
assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021707 B (Total: 474.69 B). Delta: -0.59 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00019 BTC [-]
benkay: !t m f.mpif
assbot: Stupid fucking white man.
benkay: mpif below nav
fluffypony: lol assbot
FabianB: $traded
empyex: FabianB: Traded in last 24 hours: F.MPIF S.MPOE
FabianB: $vwap f.mpif
empyex: FabianB: F.MPIF 1 day: average: 0.00020681 high: 0.00021513 low: 0.00019 volume: 91617 btc: 18.94733383 7 day: average: 0.00020681 high: 0.00021513 low: 0.00019 volume: 91618 btc: 18.94754896 30 day: average: 0.00020681 high: 0.00021513 low: 0.00019 volume: 91618 btc: 18.94754896
[]bot: Bet created: "Any US Player to win FIBA World Cup MVP" http://bitbet.us/bet/1002/
mircea_popescu: benkay it just traded below nav briefly.
[]bot: Bet created: "Elizabeth Warren to run for US President" http://bitbet.us/bet/1003/
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decimation: lol over the butthurt re: amazon posting quartly loss:
decimation: Bezos insists on taking the long view. In his letter to shareholders last year, he responded to criticism about spending by saying investing in a "just-in-time fashion would be too clever by half."
assbot: Far-reaching ambitions, no profits, worry Amazon investors - Moneycontrol.com
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.1815 = 1.089 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: y saying investing in a "just-in-time fashion would be too clever by half." << guy's got a point. he shgould be here.
decimation: amazon benefits from being one of the few well-run companies in the us right now - this gives them the power to create their own frame
benkay: right, last trade vs. orders on books
mircea_popescu: actually tbh bezos may be the only guy in the derpeconomy of websites and whatnot that i actually like.
decimation: derps have no choice but to invest in amazon because they don't see any good alternatives
decimation: then they whine when quarterly payouts are not forthcoming
decimation: I like his attitude toward meetings wrt powerpoint - he went the full Ed Tufte: http://www.philanthropydaily.com/jeff-bezos-powerpoint-prohibition/
assbot: Jeff Bezos PowerPoint prohibition | Philanthropy Daily
decimation: Ed Tufte is a little crazy but his classes are worth taking. His position is that you present your ideas in the form of an essay or paper. Then you talk about the salient points and field questions. The projector is for showing information dense pictures, like the baseball stats page from a newspaper
mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/3NJD512 << and we have a first nibble on the eth short.
assbot: dpaste: 3NJD512
mircea_popescu: decimation omfg he's copied me. THEIF!
decimation: lol maybe, he has a book about it: http://www.edwardtufte.com/tufte/powerpoint
assbot: Edward Tufte: Books - Essay: The Cognitive Style of Powerpoint
decimation: it's short, but has pretty pictures and is easy to understand for n00bs
assbot: Original Warren Buffett Partnership Agreement Found Here | StockRip
decimation: he writes about how powerpoint contributed to retardation at nasa which lead to the shuttle's destruction
mircea_popescu: the problem is exactly what he states : pp makes it easier for the presenter, harder for the audience. this is not a tradeoff you want
mircea_popescu: unless, of course, you're trying to make everyone dumber.
decimation: which is generally the goal of most gov't meetings, gov't education, etc
mircea_popescu: right. then it becomes fashionable and before you know it the dumb broads in your household are giving pps to each other. and you can't do shit about it, because they're not your slaves, they're your "equal partners"
mircea_popescu: very fucking far that'll go, i'm sure.
asciilifeform: except that removing pp will not cure retardation. just as removing maggots will not resurrect corpse.
mircea_popescu: in fact : traditional views on sexuality impose monogamy as a standard because that's the only way to hide just how dumb and inept a commune actually is : by keeping it real small.
mircea_popescu: try a family of a coupla dozen wives that are all "equal partners" and see.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it will, yes. it will resurect the not-yet-corpses and make the rest obvious.
Duffer1: mircea_popescu "..and that ETH trades on a reputable exchange" has "reputable" been defined?
mircea_popescu: "just get rid of her if she's annoying" leads directly to "and get rid of any slaves that can't cope with no pp or complain enough"
mircea_popescu: Duffer1 basically, it has to actually work.
Duffer1: i see
mircea_popescu: obviously i'll be buying some once it comes out. if shit happens like on icbit , where your bids are simply ignored while it "sells" to lower bids... then it's not reputable.
asciilifeform just learned that this exists
decimation: asciilifeform you mean Eth?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform welcome to the world of a different set of idiocy.
mircea_popescu: !up bertani
decimation: My favorite thing about it are the random code snippets that are supposed to demonstrate how awesome it is, but in fact demonstrate that it's crazy
mircea_popescu: decimation if this gets funded ima allow interested buyers to take positions. either directly or via bitbet.
asciilifeform: they have code?
assbot: ethereum
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform according to their own claims, they got > 5k btc deposited by people looking to get a total 10mn of the shits.
decimation: I guess it's one of these turing-complete contract bitcoin wanna-bes - I haven't seen any serious analysis of the codebase yet
asciilifeform read their original paper, thought it could lead to something vaguely interesting - until the premined turdcoin came out...
mircea_popescu: no wait, that must be diff. this one's not out yet.
Duffer1: speaking of.. i haven't heard any ripple news in a while..
decimation: ascii re:premined - monkey can't let go of banana in trap...
danielpbarron: http://danielpbarron.com/swarm.log.txt << long but kinda funny read about yet another scam
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
decimation: quite. To be fair, satoshi still has his hand on the banana
decimation: but that kind of opportunity only comes around once a century or two
mircea_popescu: <decimation> quite. To be fair, satoshi still has his hand on the banana << i don't see it.
assbot: BBC Sport - Argentina FA fined 20,000 for Falklands banner display
decimation: mircea, are you saying satoshi's horde doesn't exist?
assbot: The Coins Source Trust Index
mircea_popescu: decimation yeah.
decimation: is there a published analysis of the early blockchain?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 693 @ 0.003 = 2.079 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 241 @ 0.00309014 = 0.7447 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: 17 Year Old Girl Struck by Lightning While Masturbating | Stop Masturbation Now
assbot: Log In - The New York Times
assbot: The Well Deserved Fortune of Satoshi Nakamoto, Bitcoin creator, Visionary and Genius | Bitslog
decimation: that's alot but not enough to shake the foundations of bitcoin
mircea_popescu: decimation i am aware. it's not "his" estimation. there's been this thing pushed around since 2011ish, a meme equivalent to "who really is satoshi"
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
mircea_popescu: decimation it's just... you know. pretty much everyone i know who's been mining in 2010 has actually lost the majority of bitcoin they ever mined. irrespective if they still mine or not.
mircea_popescu: and besides, artforz is likely a much larger holder than satoshi himself. IF he had any sense.
mircea_popescu: which judging by his disappearance, he prolly did have.
assbot: Chain Archaeology - Answers from the early blockchain
decimation: yeah I agree, I had mined in 2010 and lost much of it unfortunately
mircea_popescu: so, yeah. people like to dream. one dream they like to dream is that they'll be the sherlock that'll discover "the real satoshi". another dream they like to dream is the vicarious wealth of amillionbtc.
mircea_popescu: there's nothing wrong with this any more than there's anything wrong with watching animated pony cartoons.
mircea_popescu: when one starts pretendling like reality, going to school in their pony suit and mixing fiction in power points... well... that's actually unhealty.
mircea_popescu: i don't get what that coinsource thing is supposed to be.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: tru story. << lel.
mircea_popescu: if only they had a smidgeon of business sense to start back in 2013 by coming here, they'd have actually had a future.
assbot: In the Balance : Hispanic Population's Share of Wealth Likely to Increase by 2025
decimation: The U.S.'s Hispanic population was about 50.5 million in 2010, representing 16.3 percent of the total population (Table 1).1 According to the Federal Reserve's Survey of Consumer Finances and its Financial Accounts of the United States, Hispanic families had about ... about 2.2 percent of total wealth ... In summary, we project the Hispanic share of total wealth to increase from 2.2 percent in 2010 to either 2.6 percent or 3.2
decimation: percent of the economy's total wealth by 2025
mircea_popescu: inasmuch as some jews are hispanic, im sure it will increase.
decimation: even their "model" predicts no movement, but the press release predictably says: http://www.stlouisfed.org/on-the-economy/wealth-share-of-hispanic-population-may-triple-by-2025/
assbot: Wealth Share of Hispanic Population May Triple by 2025 | St. Louis Fed On the Economy
mircea_popescu: this is such idiocy. rich people are rich people. they're not "hispanic", they're rich.
mircea_popescu: there's exactly zilch that the "share of wealtyh of the hispanic population" means.
mircea_popescu: this entire situation is reminiscent of someone trying to "enhance" abstinence-only sexed by reports about how "women's orgasms per capita set to increase this year"
mircea_popescu: people who're not fucking aren't going to be interested, unless, of course, they're retarded.
decimation: just as rich folk could give a tinker's damn what some poor mexican thinks about how things ought to be
assbot: Decadence Is Not Physical « Isegoria
decimation: "Decadence is a moral and spiritual disease, resulting from too long a period of wealth and power, producing cynicism, decline of religion, pessimism and frivolity. The citizens of such a nation will no longer make an effort to save themselves, because they are not convinced that anything in life is worth saving."
chetty: I wonder, does the poor Mexican give a tinkers damn either?
decimation: not really, because he thinks he is rich compared to his cousins back home
mircea_popescu: Daniel: "We believe that we can build a better future. We believe that we can enable all to participate in a revolution of collective ownership, something that will radically shift the nature of human society." wtf; are they socialists? <<< lulzy danielpbarron
danielpbarron: i know, right? i was cracking up reading it
mircea_popescu: decimation it only indirectly results from a too long period of wealth and power. i know, for i've been wealthy and powerful my entire life. the trick is to not buy into comfort. that's the direct causation : once people become comfortable and think "i'm too wealthy and powerful to be here fucking with a wrench inside this engine on the side of a road".
mircea_popescu: pretty soon it's "we're too cool for our children to be killed off like the worthless shitbags they are"
mircea_popescu: and from there on... anyone with a wrench can wrench a deal out of you.
decimation: for some of them, they could be making more money not fixing things and hiring a guy
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: usually this happens to folks born 'into' money
decimation: but that's a pretty restrcted set
mircea_popescu: decimation the problem is exactly there : a roman citizen is required to be part of the army, even if he could serve the republic "better" elsewhere.
mircea_popescu: the point is specifically to be able to serve everywhere, so to speak,
mircea_popescu: because the relative value of things can't really be fixed.
mircea_popescu: chetty likely not.
asciilifeform points out that this was the situation in ussr. virtually everyone was technically reserve corps.
mircea_popescu: decimation but you see the signs of decadence much closer to home : the moment people start shying away from calling someone a cunt in the street, because o noes, we're civilised now. that's it.
mircea_popescu: compare the father with the son in cat on a hot tin roof. that's it.
mircea_popescu: what, big daddy doesn't know what bum love is ? yes he does.
mircea_popescu: he may not be talking too much or too loud\ly about it because of that shithead ida, and her unwanted, unwelcome and damaging "love", but otherwise...
decimation: in other words each household needs to keep its own shit in order
decimation: ascii so the point is that the court can dodge questions of "what exactly are you charging me with?" by making a grand-jury circus?
asciilifeform: decimation: this is SOP in usa
asciilifeform: decimation: which is why, with the possible exception of folks who can cough up astoundingly large ransom, falling into the hands of u.s. 'justice' system should be thought of as equivalent to ending up in a gestapo dungeon.
decimation: speaking of which, whatever happened to that guy who was convicted of possessing silver coins?
asciilifeform: possessing? or selling
asciilifeform: that was von NotHaus
assbot: ClubOrlov: Financial Totalitarianism
decimation: yeah him, did they actually sentance him
assbot: Bernard von NotHaus Seeks Acquittal, New Trial » Titania - the Open Source Ethical Society
mircea_popescu: <decimation> ascii so the point is that the court can dodge questions of "what exactly are you charging me with?" by making a grand-jury circus? << the principle is that "the people" can charge you with w/o the shit they want.
mircea_popescu: the exact equivalent of jury nullification
mircea_popescu: grand jury enactication.
decimation: yeah that's scary
mircea_popescu: decimation well if it wants to be a republic, it gotta be a republic.
asciilifeform: this is why i simply don't get people who continue to think of their relationship with the u.s. court system in legal, rather than military, terms.
mircea_popescu: "Unless you have been through this, with much of it kept secret to protect means and methods of investigation and prosecution, prepare for an exciting first time on the actual hot seat, not on TV or online where hypnotic disinfo rules and seduces the unwary to believe tickling the comsec tiger's tail is fantasic rep building." <<< heh.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what do you perceive the difference being, between military and legal ?
asciilifeform: when at war, your perspective on what happens if you fall into enemy hands isn't 'know the magic incantations that will force them to let me go'
mircea_popescu: no, it's the "know the magic incantation that'll make them rue the day they messed with me so close"
asciilifeform: the magic incantation in that case is adequate fire support
mircea_popescu: not strictly.
mircea_popescu: try capturing chtulhu. hey everyone! free insanity today, and all get seconds!
asciilifeform: when (imho undeservedly) famous social engineer k. mitnick was captured, the jailers actually believed he was a chtulhu
asciilifeform: he was, famously, denied the traditional 'last phone call'
asciilifeform: for fear of magic words!
decimation: he has magic hacking powers, give him the a. ames treatment!
asciilifeform: or, to quite relevant film, 'what good is a phone call mr. andersen, if you have no mouth...'
mircea_popescu: if only it were that easy.
mircea_popescu: i mean obviously, the king's ministers, no matter how cornered, will attempt to put forth the theory of how dominant their kingdom actually is.
thestringpuller: lol it is that easy
mircea_popescu: this has some trouble getting past things such as you know, that wikileaks guy.
mircea_popescu: if the kingdom actually worked like teh king's ministers propose it does, i wouldn't be looking into the yard of the king's minister's wife at the car of the guy the minister doesn't know she fucks
mircea_popescu: sort of thing.
jurov: so if ascii gets jailed for jaywalking, we shall expect another national guard gathering?
asciilifeform: my understanding is, the most one can hope for, if you aren't chtulhu, assanger, mircea_popescu - when the wagen comes, is to die with honour, without implicating other partizans
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform or you could blog about it.
asciilifeform should practice blogging while hanging upside down with gag
mircea_popescu: well now... here's the thing... you can't be talking while you're not able to talk, right ?
mircea_popescu: and if you are able to talk, who's going to be able to control what you say, and to whom ?
jurov: hm.. i guess when patent trolls come for cardano, there are better ways than seppuku
mircea_popescu: perhaps you need your computers, perhaps you need access to a certain server, who's to know.
mircea_popescu: this isn't nearly as cut and dried a matter as the usg likes to pretend (forced mistake, it has no alternative than to so pretend).
mircea_popescu: exactly the same problems that limit the mob limit the government, and can be used identically.
decimation: for instance they haven't managed to jail this von nothaus guy yet
assbot: Interview: Bernard von NotHaus - YouTube
asciilifeform: wait, he's outside of a jail ?!
decimation: apparently he was convicted but never sentanced
asciilifeform: yeah, but where's he now
asciilifeform: walking the globe without a gps collar ?
decimation: well according to this interview in miami on 1 feb 2014
decimation: I suspect he has no passport
asciilifeform: so there we go. he's in 'большая зона' (the big jail.)
asciilifeform: (soviet term, in contrast to the 'little jail' - a jail in the usual sense; the big one - ussr.)
decimation: "we are coming up to march 2014, so I've been waiting 3 years to be sentenced, this is most unusual. Usually in a federal case you are incarcerated within 60 days after being found guilty."
decimation: usg must be scared of something
asciilifeform: in cases like his, it is traditional for the inquisitor to make a series of offers to lighten punishment substantially in exchange for agent recruitment
asciilifeform: (aka turning stoolie)
asciilifeform: we can surmise that he refused one or more, but they aren't done yet
asciilifeform: so i don't see 'scared' - only 'patient.'
asciilifeform: if nothaus is cut loose, we should expect him to turn up eventually in the role of a karpeles or brock pierce.
decimation: well I tend to agree with your point about recruitment, but it's not clear to me what he is going to be recruited to do exactly.
decimation: an enterprising defense team would have him start another altcoin for the purpose of turning against it
asciilifeform: we'll know what it is once inquisitor makes up his mind, and nothaus surrenders
decimation: why didn't folks attempt to leave the "big jail" during ussr times?
asciilifeform: they certainly did.
decimation: seems like that would be the thing to do
asciilifeform: many of the same issues facing folks who want to leave usa.
asciilifeform: (a trip requires a destination)
decimation: I guess it's hard to escape with family intact
asciilifeform: back to the treatment of nothaus - this was SOP for dissident types, at least post-stalin. you land, not in a jail cell, but a comfortable 'hotel room', where no one hangs you upside down, no! - but well-dressed, educated fellows have little chats with you over good coffee - to make you 'see reason.'
thestringpuller: decimation: that's very depressing :(
asciilifeform: if you 'see reason' - you're a free man. get to keep doing what you were doing. except with a little microphone listening, or the like.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> we can surmise that he refused one or more, but they aren't done yet << something like that.
mircea_popescu: <decimation> I guess it's hard to escape with family intact << people with families have no business escaping.
mircea_popescu: their job is to work the soil and make babies.
asciilifeform: this is why a man with a profession that puts him in range of escape was required to have family.
asciilifeform: e.g. diplomats, military attaches, competitive athletes
thestringpuller: what if you don't want to make babies?
decimation: yes, their fate is to stand and take whatever comes I suppose
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: then you don't get posted abroad.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller then eiher it's not a family, you're being forced to or you will be forced to.
asciilifeform: incidentally, pretty much none of the above were sent abroad with actual wives, children
asciilifeform: they'd get theatrical ones
decimation: spies, presumably
asciilifeform: as diplomat, your 'wife' might actually be someone whose only job is to shoot you in the head if you start to 'turn.'
thestringpuller: sounds like huxley's world would make that a moot issue (humans bred in tanks)
thestringpuller: it also seems being an orphan is more beneficial in that regard too...
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller well tbh, i dun see why i'd have wanted to leave huxley's world. just hang out with the boss guy down at the bar.
asciilifeform: note that the analogy is not exact. the american equivalent of a soviet job with travel privileges would be, say, the right to own significant foreign (or theoretically liquid enough to become foreign) assets
asciilifeform: as this enables escape
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what, like bitcoin ?
decimation: you can own, you just have to confess to usg you have them
asciilifeform: decimation: honeypot
asciilifeform: like 'citadel'
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: couldn't one in america escape through...non traditional means?
thestringpuller: i'm implying illegal passports.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/big-numbers-random-numbers-and-whos-got-your-number/#comment-103357 << kid found a romanian btc atm, wants to know why some derp did it and not i. well.. i'm lazy.
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mircea_popescu: but i follow the link. huge title "Bitcoin will be partially or totally controlled". ie, by some govt.
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: you probably heard that many 'gulag' facilities were not guarded at all.
asciilifeform: the snow, bears, starvation - do the guarding.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform people's own dumb heads do the guarding.
mircea_popescu: nothing to stop one from walking to mexico right now
mircea_popescu: oh, but... THE BEARS
mircea_popescu: and lions and tigers - oh my!
decimation: yeah I suspect walking to mexico is easier than the reverse
thestringpuller: there is a lot to stop you walking from mexico back into the states tho...
asciilifeform: nothing to stop the zek from walking into the permafrost, either
decimation: one would need iron balls to do it I guess
mircea_popescu: EcoChav: these girls are going to be using SWARM to raise funds: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWTXht6doPM <<
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mircea_popescu: i propose a new highschool charter. it teaches kids nothing, but smacks them every time they use "going to"
asciilifeform: for most americans, walking to mexico would involve having to work for a living - a punishment far harsher than anything they do in jails here
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but arbeit macht frei!
thestringpuller: i recently heard of a city in siberia that utilizes more energy to keep the city warm and operate than it would if people just commuted 100's of miles to operate the factories there...
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: norilsk ?
thestringpuller: that's the one
thestringpuller: usually never gets above 70
thestringpuller: oh during the yeart
thestringpuller: like in july the highest it'll get is like in the 10's to 20's C
decimation: ascii have you seen "Happy People: a year in the taiga"?
decimation: this guy Werner Herzon tours the River Yenisei and finds people who live off the land
decimation: they would have walked out of the gulag without a second thought
decimation: s/Herzon/Herzog
thestringpuller: Herzog is one kinda character...
thestringpuller: He makes some of the best documentaries though.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what, like bitcoin ? << ameri-zek could escape if he had 10^7 usd or 10^4 bitcoin, say. but he won't ever see either, 'like his own ears without a mirror.'
asciilifeform: now, if you're willing to live like a feral dog, it isn't even necessary to leave the country. i recall, a few years ago, an article about one fellow who lived in a dugout in a u.s. national park. for ~30 years. he was caught by pure chance.
asciilifeform: tourist noticed a puff of smoke coming from a tree stump.
asciilifeform: (it was his chimney. disguised partizan-style.)
asciilifeform: if tourist hadn't strayed miles from the road, if wind had been stronger - the dugout would be there still, with its inhabitant.
decimation: that's long enough to claim adverse possession in many states
asciilifeform: not on federal land
asciilifeform: and, in many (most?) states, adverse possession is virtually impossible to pull off (title holder must be aware of the squatter and do nothing for xx years)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform 10k btc ? foreals ?
asciilifeform: see dugout man above
asciilifeform: he needed 0 btc
mircea_popescu: the point is to live like a feral dog AND leave the country.
asciilifeform: but paid with other things
mircea_popescu: you gotta break the circle of "is necessary"
mircea_popescu: that's what the dam is built out of. convenience.
mircea_popescu: inconvenience yourself and you'll be free, but otherwise, you're predictable, and in being predictable you'll be a tool.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: elaborate?
mircea_popescu: on which part ?
decimation: yeah that's what most of the "early retirement" folks advocate. if you can live on $20k per year you can retire now if you have any assets to speak of
asciilifeform: decimation: the 20k still have to come from somewhere.
asciilifeform: if they come from my being a stonemason in mexico city, as far as i can tell i'm then already in a jail
mircea_popescu: decimation most of humanity lives on less than ten bux a week.
mircea_popescu: that's... 500 a year
decimation: they can even pay to have their kids escape to the great 'el norte'
mircea_popescu: somehow.
mircea_popescu: not all do, notice.
asciilifeform: the other thing mexicans, eskimos, whoever, anyone but homo americanus have is - tribe.
asciilifeform: strength in numbers
asciilifeform: lone ant - dies
asciilifeform: anthill lives.
mircea_popescu: lone and dies happy.
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decimation: the eastern metropolis is especially bad on this count. high population density but everyone is alone
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: let's say you were on the other side of the wire. my side. and you could escape, if you turned on that 'dulap' and gave up... cock&balls.
asciilifeform: now, is that life?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i tend to break things.
mircea_popescu: there's very little doubt in my mind that if i were in the sort of situation most folk over there enjoy, i'd simply be shooting people.
asciilifeform: i recently went to a zoo, where they had cheetahs. one cheetah was a little different from the others. every time i see him, he's clearly preoccupied with looking for a hole in the fence.
asciilifeform: if he were a russian 'zek', he'd have a red stripe in his id papers.
asciilifeform: 'побегушник'
mircea_popescu: which ironically makes the entire "terrorist" thing quite appropriate, except, i wouldn't shot them for the show (which is what terrorism implies, that you kill people for no reason than to impress other people). i'd do it because their continued existence is incompatible with mine.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform did i ever tell you about the two pellicans ?
decimation: which is exactly the attitude that the us used to have back in the pioneer days
decimation: before they were won by the English...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform my only lingering regret from my days in costa rica is that one day i've visited a bird reserve. a large geodome sorta thing with a lot of birds in it.
mircea_popescu: among which two pelicans. which had figured where the door was, and what a door is. and were angling together to perhaps scare a dumbass tourist and manage to get out.
mircea_popescu: i have no idea why i didn't just take the birds across.
asciilifeform: are they any good - to eat?
mircea_popescu: i guess a lot of foreign military officers wondered why they've not simply shot hitler at any point in the 30s, just walk up to him and boom.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform im sure they couldn't have survived in ther wild, but i dun see why that should matter.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i recall at least two who wrote just this
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform im sure the reason is exactly like the discussion re the altcoin
mircea_popescu: by the time you realise you should have it's too late.
asciilifeform: naturally.
mircea_popescu: there's actually an oglaf on the topic, too
asciilifeform: lol, i recall this one.
mircea_popescu: guy shooting hitler would necessarily live in an alt-universe where shooting hitler's death is not justified by hitler being hitler, and so on.
mircea_popescu: this is a major reason to not punish murder, imo.
mircea_popescu: maybe the murderer had a point.
mircea_popescu: certainly murder of political figures is always justified on the face. they were, after all, political figures.
decimation: I suppose that's the point of jury nullification
mircea_popescu: yeah but it mixes the people in there. what'd the people know.
mircea_popescu: 1930s german jury'd have not nulified hitler murder.
decimation: well, in the village the people would know, not in the city
mircea_popescu: this is such nonsense.
mircea_popescu: vilage people are actualy a lot dumber than city people. they just have much fewer avenues to display their inanity.
mircea_popescu: it's a case of 0.5 / 0.25 appearing larger than 1/1
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mircea_popescu: hey danielpbarron, what do you do for a living ?
danielpbarron: I have a seasonal warehouse job
mircea_popescu: do you wanna get paid to derp on the interwebs ?
mircea_popescu: do tell ?
danielpbarron: yeah; sounds very interesting
mircea_popescu: okay, what i want you to do is create a bunch of handles in various forums (i'll tell you which) and participate in the discussion.
mircea_popescu: don't spam, make sense, bring in the various good points we know about the world doesn't, bitcoin, b-a, bitbet, mpex, etc.
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danielpbarron: so just tell the truth?
mircea_popescu: pretty much.
mircea_popescu: i don't pay people to lie, they do that on their own & for free.
danielpbarron: what are the terms? how much money; how frequently?
mircea_popescu: you can spend the rest of your days doing it for all i care, 24/7. you're to report each weekend and i'll pay you mondays.
danielpbarron: which forums?
mircea_popescu: start with warriorforum.com, gfy.com and lessee... bodybuilding.com
mircea_popescu: that should keep you busy for a day or two.
mircea_popescu: and more generally, if anyone's currently wasting a lot of time derping online and would like to make a job of it... say so.
asciilifeform: bodybuilding.com !?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's a lot you don't know :
asciilifeform: certainly is
mircea_popescu: that thing's massive, about the size of a bodybuilder.
benkay: mircea_popescu: DERPs are backstopped to the sum of BTC brought in by sales of DERP shares, is that correct?
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron if there's religious interest forums you know that i don't / other stuff you're already doing feel free to throw that into the mix.
mircea_popescu: benkay nah.
benkay: backstopped by your reputation and promise to pay?
mircea_popescu: they're backstopped by f.derp's assets.
benkay: so all of the D series is backstopped by all of f.derp
mircea_popescu: basically if each individual issue goes up 2x in btc, then it's just about wiped.
mircea_popescu: if one issue goes up 100x in usd and btc goes up 10x and there's 10 issues, then it's just about wiped.
benkay: gotcha thanks
mircea_popescu: ;;seen duffer1
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assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
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jurov: what, F.DERP is/will be actual asset?
mircea_popescu: jurov yes.
mircea_popescu: so one can take either end. this was discussed in teh logs!!1
thestringpuller: we short using normal methods? (asking you to borrow shares on margin?)
thestringpuller: ^ mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller short what ?
mircea_popescu: you short the derps globally by buying f.derp. or i guess individually by borrowing them from someone that bough them
jurov: i try to read everything but my subconscious tends to skip it :(
jurov: it is apparently interested in politics and cultural anthropology
benkay: i like the finance stuff
thestringpuller: okay makes sense thanks mircea_popescu
benkay: can't be arsed with scamwatch
mircea_popescu: benkay kinda why division of labour is unavoidable.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: specialization is for insects
mircea_popescu: yeah well.
chetty: ever notice how much big apt buildings look like beehives?
mircea_popescu: lol good for you.
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chetty: <asciilifeform> for most americans, walking to mexico would involve having to work for a living - a punishment far harsher than anything they do in jails here// walking over the border to Mexico is actually pretty easy
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DreadKnight: really fun comic that legacy-control one
mircea_popescu: o you know it ?
DreadKnight: now I do; bookmarked
DreadKnight: need to recall what comics I used to follow besides xkcd
DreadKnight: http://explosm.net/comics/ (newest one is lame though)
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asciilifeform: chetty: that train of thought was about what one is to do -in- mexico.
asciilifeform: it isn't hard (presently...) to physically leave usa.
jurov: did anyone mention the homeland can always ask to extradite you?
jurov: lol this chan causes its own slashdot effect now? legacy-control.com is slow and throws errors
chetty: <asciilifeform> it isn't hard (presently...) to physically leave usa.// you'll never really know until you try
benkay: chetty you were a usian once, non?
chetty: indeed benkay
benkay: chetty: and no longer?
benkay: mircea_popescu: per http://trilema.com/2014/fderp-june-statement/#footnote_1_55436 will the coverage be tracked for each D.*?
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asciilifeform: chetty: you'll never really know until you try << well, for whatever it's worth, i did manage to actually get in the airplane (instead of a waiting gasenwagen) in april. to, i admit, a little bit of surprise. but who knows about next time.
FabianB: ;;ticker --currency eur --last
gribble: 444.5262
chetty: good job asciilifeform, I am not so sure the gasenwagen will be a joke much longer
asciilifeform: gasenwagen, unfortunately, was always real. but it has triage.
chetty: benkay, havent been back in a decade
thestringpuller: it's funny how a decade ago is 2004
thestringpuller: i definitely feel old
thestringpuller: thanks chetty thanks a lot :P
benkay: chetty: d'you pay taxes? still have a US passport?
benkay: feel free to tell me to get stuffed with my questions
asciilifeform is, in case anyone didn't know, still walking 'the big zone.'
benkay: ;;ud "the big zone"
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asciilifeform: benkay: nope.
asciilifeform: benkay: большая зона.
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benkay: ah ah
chetty: benkay, yup and yup
asciilifeform: the starred-and-striped big zone.
chetty: isnt that the big gulag?
benkay: chetty: you wouldn't be paying state taxes, though, correct? just federal?
chetty: yup, they get you on fed tax for 10 years even if you give up passport
thestringpuller: could always be like voorhees and revoke citizenship
benkay: chetty: i am aware of that bit, yes.
benkay: but the "no state taxes" thing is no small bonus.
benkay: what's the tax situation like in Argentina?
asciilifeform: thestringpuller, benkay, chetty: usa would send a tax bill to a Chukcha if he weren't behind russian rockets. law is a 'god that died.'
chetty: nasty taxes here, and huge hits for moving money in/out of country
benkay: what is "nasty taxes"?
benkay: and lolya i can imagine moving fiat into or out of ars would be an expensive proposition.
chetty: well not sure what the local income tax is, dont have a local job yet but 35% to take any money out of country
chetty: oh and a wealth tax ..5% of whatever you have over some amount
benkay: is that a one-time-thing or more like the 0.5% of "assets under mgmt"
benkay: that hits the fund investor every year
chetty: assets, and it goes up % wise at some point too, not really sure where all the gates are. I just keep my head down
benkay: 1.25 above 5'000'000 AR$
benkay: interesting stuff, chetty.
thestringpuller: Is this why pirates bury their gold?
chetty: thestringpuller, exactly
benkay: no need to bury things anymore
benkay: it's *all* buried now.
benkay: i do look forward to constructing my last will testament and treasure hunt to reconstruct my offline keys
kuzetsa: burried treasure is a myth
kuzetsa: pirates don't do that
asciilifeform: kuzetsa: buried treasure is real, but generally results from folks who bury goodies and then get killed before they can make any use of them.
asciilifeform: like the pots of gold still sometimes found in digs of roman villas
asciilifeform: they did not save their owners.
benkay: !t h rent
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cazalla: DreadKnight, i quit when Nikasaur left :\
asciilifeform: kuzetsa: still not unheard of, in russia: a construction crew, tearing up a 19th c. apartment building, finding cigar boxes with thick stacks of pre-revolution rubles, silver coins, etc.
DreadKnight: cazalla, why? xD she thinks she can do better writing crappy stuff and getting funded on patreon.com apparently
asciilifeform: no prizes for guessing fate of the owner.
kuzetsa: fine fine, yeah... it has happened, and more than just pirates have done the "bury something to keep it safe" tactic, but just because it's common enough that it's "not unheard of" doesn't make it "actually a common practice"
cazalla: DreadKnight, was just coincidence but c'mon, who doesn't wann bang trashy gamer girls like her
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DreadKnight: cazalla, I agree; she's quite hot and fun
kuzetsa: O_O
DreadKnight: anyway, 1600$+ a month just because; for writing; that's like 3 romanian full time jobs; I got 0 on there so far
DreadKnight: the power of bewbs.
kuzetsa: I suspect it's more than just "being female"
DreadKnight: it's a bit more, yeah
kuzetsa: some non-zero entertainment value in the produced content
DreadKnight: though she has popularity, without that crowd funding websites are pretty useless
cazalla: DreadKnight, someone like her doing bitcoin news on youtube would get views instead of that ditzy asian girl on followthecoin
kuzetsa: well-connected and good at marketing (social media or otherwise) is probably more to do with it than "the power of boobs"
DreadKnight: cazalla, considered doing something like that with a chick I know that looks like the Dark Queen from Battletoads; got equipment and such
DreadKnight: will check the asian girl you mentioned
kuzetsa: equipment?
DreadKnight: camera / lights / green screen
kuzetsa: yeah, I have that
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kuzetsa: but it's mostly used for photographing inventory stuff for <name>'s online store
cazalla: DreadKnight, that's her, bit too skinny for me but looks ok, just lacking personality that someone like Nikasaur has, tits + her enthusiasm would do well imo
benkay gags
benkay: moiety'd do better.
kuzetsa: yeah, having a decent personality & being able to market one's self is good
kuzetsa: *cough* iJustine
cazalla: benkay, with that accent? for sure
DreadKnight: cazalla, yeah, was just checking out some of the vids, she's so-so
DreadKnight: kuzetsa, ijustine kinda annoys me sometimes, too much of a crapple fan girl
kuzetsa: huh
kuzetsa: speaking of annoying, I've never seen a "follow the coin" video before
cazalla: how about miss hannah minx?
DreadKnight: cazalla, lol; there's also "hot for words", another youtube show about cleavage pretending to be educational
kuzetsa: not sure it's always the same person, but I jsut watched the one cazalla linked like 5 minutes ago, and the constant jumping-around shot from 20 billion camera angles per paragraph was giving me a headache
DreadKnight: sounds like what Michael Bay does with Transformers
cazalla: DreadKnight, seen that, not my type though
kuzetsa: cazalla: I'm unfamiliar with hannah minx
kuzetsa: cazalla: privmsg
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DreadKnight: kuzetsa, small brunette, big blue eyes, big tits that always make it into the shot and juggle around, cute stuff, lots of japanese-anime words, a doge
cazalla: you can post that in channel kuzetsa
DreadKnight: jiggle*
DreadKnight: and a lot of cleavage*
DreadKnight: and top-to-down camera angle
DreadKnight: bird eye view
DreadKnight: all comments are about sex and boobs usually on her vids
benkay: just to throw a spanner into the works, mircea_popescu, i imagine the d-series do not pay out in the event that the companies use XCP or some such to list
cazalla: kuzetsa PM me, thinks i'm slut shaming these women lol
DreadKnight: they do that on their own as a hobby / job
DreadKnight: every social thing has quite a few of such women
cazalla: http://pastebin.com/gQhzUfkp we could've had this conversation in here kuzetsa
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benkay: faminist!
benkay: starve 'em all out.
benkay: i'm a faminist too, kuzetsa
mircea_popescu: <jurov> lol this chan causes its own slashdot effect now? legacy-control.com is slow and throws errors << prolly cause of the log watching ppls.
mircea_popescu: <benkay> mircea_popescu: per http://trilema.com/2014/fderp-june-statement/#footnote_1_55436 will the coverage be tracked for each D.*? << that q made no sense.
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kuzetsa: cazalla: oh uhm... well allright then
kuzetsa: I can have the discussion here instead if you really prefer
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> gasenwagen, unfortunately, was always real. but it has triage. <<< you failed to qualify ?
kuzetsa: I just know in #bitcoin that personal disputes and whatnot are generally expected to be done in privmsg
benkay: mircea_popescu: is "cover" for all d-series contracts or is it reserved per contract?
kuzetsa refers to cazalla's pastebin for reference
kuzetsa: wow, how dose that already have over views?
benkay: eg: 50B of cover for D.BPAY, 0.2 of cover for D.BTGO
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> thestringpuller, benkay, chetty: usa would send a tax bill to a Chukcha if he weren't behind russian rockets. la << actually, aren't they derping about various russian citizens sanctions and whatnot ?
kuzetsa: cazalla: so as per privmsg, I don't understand why you called me a faggot
DreadKnight: kuzetsa, that bitcoin channel seems to be dying lately, too quiet, dogecoin more fun
kuzetsa: benkay: what's a faminist?
kuzetsa: [18:01:35] <cazalla> no matter how many men you throw under the bus, being a feminist is not going to lead to them fucking you
kuzetsa: [18:01:59] <kuzetsa> what?
kuzetsa: [18:02:42] <kuzetsa> huh, noticed just now that I typoed on feminist... is "faminist" a word I'm just unfamiliar with?
kuzetsa: [18:03:14] <kuzetsa> is that misspelling a word and it means something? it really was just a typo, I didn't mean to confuse.
mircea_popescu: <DreadKnight> cazalla, why? xD she thinks she can do better writing crappy stuff and getting funded on patreon.com apparently << such idiocy.
cazalla: kuzetsa, i'm not sure what the problem is?
DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, was expecting you would say that
kuzetsa: cazalla: well I don't understand what you're saying about men fucking me (or not) because I throw them under a bus or whatever... or why you called me a faggot
cazalla: kuzetsa, i thought you were saying you're a feminist and that i use slut shaming language
cazalla: fwiw, i don't object to nikasaur dressing trashy
kuzetsa: your definition of "trashy", and how you used it sure did sound like slut shaming
cazalla: but it is trashy
DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, most people only care about charisma and looks and that's why they fund her, not really interested in her writing; it's nice she does what she likes but that's different from what she's good at apparently
DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, saying "such idiocy" to whatever I say without arguments doesn't bring much to the table of conversation
kuzetsa: cazalla: mostly I'm just confused about why feminism = faggot (that logical jump confuses me)
benkay: there's nothing wrong with being trashy
benkay: connotations are all in your head
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DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, you're probably offended because you're a blogger yourself, but since you started blogging apparently you flamed more popular bloggers, so even you agree that not everyone should be writing stuff publicly :P
benkay: excessive rouge, lipstick, heels, etc. it's a good look on the right chick.
DreadKnight: and tattoos
benkay: yeah sure - tattoos are great as well
kuzetsa: benkay: a lot of women chose to dress how they dress, wear their hair, makeup, tatoos, clothes, etc. for themselves, not for the benefit of others
cazalla: yeah, i like it on the right girl but i describe it as trashy, nfi why kuzetsa would take offense
benkay: it's clearly not for others.
benkay: doesn't mean we're not watching and watched ourselves.
benkay: i do a pile of sales. constantly. *i* dress for others.
kuzetsa nods
benkay: when I didn't, I didn't.
benkay: ripped jeans, mohawk, the works.
cazalla: kuzetsa, because imo feminists are faggots eg andreas derpopolous
kuzetsa: choices about outwardly expressing whatever self-image one has about ones self (and/or other reasons for dressing one way or another) just doesn't seem like a friendly thing to use as a basis for labeling someone as "trashy"
DreadKnight: internet is full of porn, girls who undress on webcam; dressing slutty = more attention; ( . ) ( . ) = $$$
benkay: look there's a hobo on the street
benkay: he's clearly not dressing for anyone
benkay: and he's also clearly trashy
benkay: ofc my definition of such is going to differ from someone else's
mircea_popescu: DreadKnight i have nfi who this is. pics ?
benkay: but i'll not be told to not speak my opinion of stuff.
mircea_popescu: and in any case, i'm not offended.
mircea_popescu: <benkay> excessive rouge, lipstick, heels, etc. it's a good look on the right chick. << for sufficiently drunk guys :D
DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, I linked near the quoted line, anyway seems you're too distracted to follow the conversation or reply overall, while others are debating about such women
kuzetsa: I personally don't feel "trash" or "trashy" is a good way to refer to persons --- trash is refuse, waste, compost, scrap, things to be recycled, or a computer metaphor for marking something as "trash" to be staged for deletion (such as putting one's unwanted spam emails in the trash)
mircea_popescu: kuzetsa so how does the logical jump work, from that to "not a good way to refer" ?
DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, http://www.patreon.com/nikaharper so she got popular working for League of Legends, then she quit to write apparently
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cazalla: kuzetsa, it's the right word because i'd fuck her and then throw her away, trash, not the sort of woman i'd bring home to meet my parents
kuzetsa: mircea_popescu: it's dehumanizing to label someone as a term which is not inherently describing a state which is common to persons
kuzetsa: mircea_popescu: to say that a person is "
benkay: kuzetsa: ever met a girl who gets off on being degraded?
mircea_popescu: DreadKnight just some random chick, i don't see anything special about her. why's she discussed in terms of hotness or wtf.
mircea_popescu: kuzetsa of course it is. so ?
kuzetsa: mircea_popescu: ...(oops, erroneously inserted a linebreak) "trash", or "trashy" is degrading to their personhood
mircea_popescu: no, it's not. it merely claims to be. which, like all claims...
mircea_popescu: saying someone's a scammer is similarly degrading to their personhood. that's no reason not to say it.
kuzetsa: mircea_popescu: to say that a person is trash is to liken that person to being a disposable, unwanted, low-value thing, not a person
mircea_popescu: the only criterion is whether she actually is trashy, not whether her being trashy'd ruin whatever for her.
DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, others find her special and hot, especially being nerdy gamer; I usually don't get why Megan Fox has many fans, but that's me
mircea_popescu: DreadKnight well megan fox got teh tits on a thin frame.
mircea_popescu: and also she acts well :D
mircea_popescu: !up sexy_saffron
sexy_saffron: hello!
kuzetsa: hello
mircea_popescu: hey there. we're in the middle of a trashy argument!
benkay: !up fats_cd03
fluffypony: who's seen Jodorowsky's Dune?
benkay: this argument is trash.
mircea_popescu: DreadKnight anyway, the "idiocy" comment was re the patreon thing. the whole thing fundamentally doesn't work.
mircea_popescu: people would really like it to work nevertheless, so every few years there's a new implementation
DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, for me she's just a tunned up bitch, just seen some of her roles earlier and she was playing the bitch role actually
mircea_popescu: which also fails to work.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony i think i did
benkay: (my dog just sneezed in his sleep and narrowly avoided rolling off the couch)
benkay: (hilarity)
fluffypony: just started, will report back afterwards
mircea_popescu: but anyway, i'm not a blogger myself. i just happen to keep a blog.
DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, thought you meant my argument because you didn't said much, I agree about patreon not working unless you're popular, it's a wanna be kickstarter basically, but lacks a few important things
kuzetsa: sexy_saffron: yeah, "trash" conversation, in which my main objection is to degrading / defamatory / judgemental language being pointed at people due to clothing, hairstyle, personality, makeup, or whatever criterea is being used to target them in a dismissive manner :(
kuzetsa: I wasn't intending to have the conversation publicly, but the other party whom I was trying to ask what they meant decided the privmsg contents should be copied onto a pastebin and shared with the whole channel
mircea_popescu: people should be targeted in a dismissive manner. builds character.
sexy_saffron: I agree
sexy_saffron: honesty is cruel sometimes
cazalla: kuzetsa, no reason for that conversation to occur in PM to begin with
kuzetsa: there's a difference between constructive criticism, charcter building, harassment, bullying, and joking around
sexy_saffron: definitely
mircea_popescu: kuzetsa ilustrate ?
kuzetsa: mircea_popescu: illustrate what?
mircea_popescu: seems to me one man's constructive criticism is another man's harassment and bullying.
DreadKnight: !up HeySteve
mircea_popescu: afaik bingoboingo's got a trial coming up on this very point
DreadKnight: HeySteve, it worked :D
fats_cd03: whats the point of pretending like we respect each other?
HeySteve: gribble is full of shit tonight
mircea_popescu: kuzetsa that difference. but make it absolute.
HeySteve: thx DreadKnight
fats_cd03: its not the case IRL.
sexy_saffron: there's a fine line between derision and harsh constructive criticism
kuzetsa: wow I really can't follow this channel right now
HeySteve: <+fluffypony> who's seen Jodorowsky's Dune? <- yeah that's a very interesting film. guy's a real character
DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, so you poked that zoso guy on purpose to get in the spot light? marketing strategy?
kuzetsa: this topic is apparently one which a lot of people are wanting to comment on
fats_cd03: is there some kind of internet etiquette insisting on politeness? i didnt check that box on install.
mircea_popescu: sexy_saffron yeah but if it's not objectively drawn then might as well give up. people wil just claim hurtbutts to get out of things they don't want to hear.
sexy_saffron: I haven't seen that but I like the dune adaptations
sexy_saffron: oh ya, most people can't handle the truth
mircea_popescu: DreadKnight i step on the heads of idiots. it's what i do. the only selection criteria is how lulzy they are and if im bored.
kuzetsa: FWIW, the privmsg was in-part because the channel was kinda intense and I was having trouble filtering through this many words per minute
HeySteve: kuzetsa, if you dress / act a certain way, you'll inevitably draw a reaction from others
mircea_popescu: kuzetsa it gets nuts doesn't it. and it has the harshest voice model of any chan on freenode, too.
mircea_popescu: no idea what we'll end up doing, because it won't let go im sure.
kuzetsa: HeySteve: the "had it coming" defense about agressing on somebody verbally or otherwise, to their face or otherwise isn't one I consider to be valid
mircea_popescu: on the grounds of what ?
sexy_saffron: I think the best philosophy is to just stay true to yourself and not care what other people think, as cliche as that sounds
HeySteve: kuzetsa, learning to evoke a positive reaction with your appearance / manner is just social intelligence
mircea_popescu: sexy_saffron got it.
kuzetsa: HeySteve: I'm a social idiot, quite arguably
mircea_popescu: are you also a girl ?
fluffypony: hah hah - HeySteve right at the beginning, and it's already classic - I wanted to do a movie that would give the people that took LSD at that time the hallucinations that you get with that drug, but without hallucinating. I did not want LSD to be taken, I wanted to fabricate the drug's effect."
DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, he had a few arguments against you that could stand valid, but overall it felt like he was trying to protect his "#1 blogger by traffic" crown by trying to dis the new competition
kuzetsa: mircea_popescu: old enough to be a grandmother, so no, not a girl
mircea_popescu: DreadKnight so good for him.
mircea_popescu: kuzetsa so good for you.
HeySteve: lol yeah fluffypony, one artist apparently got tripped out just talking to Jodo, you'll see
mircea_popescu: giving new meaning to "being chtulhu"
kuzetsa: oooh, I like chtulhu (somewhat)
mircea_popescu: what if there existed a chick that'd get one high by having sex, provided it's bareback.
mircea_popescu: possibly varying effects by the hole, too.
HeySteve: mircea_popescu, I think that poison ivy in batman might fit the bill
mircea_popescu: this should totally be a goddess. and yet... my memory fails me. is there such a goddess ?
DreadKnight: HeySteve, ha, I kept telling people that, especially as advice to avoid online insults or even rape, but a lot of people insist in "I can dress the way I want, nobody should care; the raper is always the guilty one!", so I'm like "ok, good luck with that mentality"
mircea_popescu: DreadKnight there's a difference between rappers and rapists.
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mircea_popescu: sorry but it was just too good to pass on :D
DreadKnight: kuzetsa, ha, knowing you're female makes the whole "faggot" thing funnier :D
DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, yeah, thanks, typo
mircea_popescu: yea srsly. cazalla there you go, pming old ladies to call them faggots. wtf's wrong with you lmao
DreadKnight: HeySteve, s/raper/rapist xD
kuzetsa: O_O
cazalla: there's no women on the internet
mircea_popescu: you know that's a very homoerotic belief.
kuzetsa blushes
mircea_popescu: cazalla ever tried it with a dude ?
kuzetsa: wow, now I'm having yaoi-type thoughts about a few people
cazalla: mircea_popescu, no but someone did want to in high school
mircea_popescu: kuzetsa is that when underage boys rub foreskins or what was it ?
mircea_popescu: my azn cartoons variety speak is shit.
mircea_popescu: cazalla so why not try it out sometime then.
kuzetsa: mircea_popescu: no, I think the genital VS genitals rubbing thing with penises (foreskins or otherwise) is called a frottage
mircea_popescu: ;;ud yaoi
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Yaoi | Yaoi is a slang meaning 'boys love' or homosexuality that is used in the japanese language. Popular with fangirls who like their favorite anime guy...
HeySteve: kuzetsa not a sword fight?
cazalla: i don't understand why it is homoerotic though, my understanding it's meaning is that a woman does not have the power to influence online as she does irl
mircea_popescu: cazalla now that's nonsense.
kuzetsa: wow, that urban dictionary thing is pretty accurate
mircea_popescu: now lessee if i can get caught up on this monsterlog jeez/
kuzetsa: I've totally done the fangirl thing thinking of male characters romantically / physically involved with each other <I'll spare you the fanfic I may or may not have read or written>
sexy_saffron: I don't think gender has much to do with influence on the internet
sexy_saffron: on the internet, no one knows you're a dog
benkay: but here, we all sort of know each other fairly well.
cazalla: sexy_saffron, clearly you've never had a woman join your guild, demand officer status, demand items while using cybering to attain that from idiots who allowed her to destroy said guild with drama
mircea_popescu: kuzetsa hey, what do you do for a living ?
kuzetsa: good job, urban dictionary, that's totally what I meant by yaoi :)
DreadKnight: sexy_saffron, talk was mainly started by chicks popular on youtube mainly thanks to cleavage
sexy_saffron: ah, well there is that lol
mircea_popescu: cazalla no, actually, i had that lol. didn't really do much.
kuzetsa: mircea_popescu: retired, technically
sexy_saffron: idk, I just think people can be shitty regardless of gender
mircea_popescu: kuzetsa im looking for someone to cover the countless anime forums on the web, if you're looking for work.
cazalla: mircea_popescu, happened to me in EQ, guild leader's wife joins, she start cybering the teenage boys which undermines his authority, it all went to shit after that
mircea_popescu: sexy_saffron women can't be as shitty as men because they're inferior and all.
mircea_popescu: cazalla so she's a great troll. why hate the playa ?
kuzetsa: sexy_saffron: yeah, people being unpleasant (shitty, whatever) doesn't have a strong correlation to any particular gender, race, religion, age, nationality, etc.
mircea_popescu: if i were a wife upset over matrimonial neglect i'd do the exact same thing.
mircea_popescu: only perhaps better.
mircea_popescu: kuzetsa age ? what, you kidding me ?
mircea_popescu: annyoing teenaged boys are a category.
kuzetsa: no, I'm not kidding about being retired
cazalla: kuzetsa, retired or on disability due to feminist issues such as gender dysmorphia, anxiety or other made up shit?
mircea_popescu: i meant the correlation with age. of course it correlates with gender and age, god help you with 16yo boyz.
mircea_popescu: lol this guy's got a scoring table all prepared.
kuzetsa: I still do a bit of consulting / contract work now and then though, as well as some speculation with bitcoin and such
fats_cd03: 'and such' being?
mircea_popescu: DreadKnight: anyway, 1600$+ a month just because; for writing; that's like 3 romanian full time jobs; I got 0 on there so far <<< you know 20k a year is basically unemployment benefits. it doesn't really register as a fortune on anyone's radar. people like asciilifeform make many times that and essentially count themselves as paupers.
kuzetsa: fats_cd03: generally, this time, specifically, I probably meant the sorts of things which are often used as a basis for stereotypes or discrimination
kuzetsa: I could have instead said "or whatever" but "and such" seemed like a fun word choice this time
kuzetsa loads that substitition into the spintex content generation engine
fats_cd03: so you're saying you buy and hold bitcoin, and thats it
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot kuzetsa
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask kuzetsa!znc@wikipedia/kuzetsa. Trust relationship from user assbot to user kuzetsa: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=kuzetsa | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=kuzetsa | Rated since: Sun Jul 15 14:54:23 2012
DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, it's all relative to location, might not be much money, but the more you go East, the more of a king you are
kuzetsa: ;;ratingsystem getrating kuzetsa
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask kuzetsa!znc@wikipedia/kuzetsa . User kuzetsa, rated since Sun Jul 15 14:54:23 2012. Cumulative rating 23, from 18 total ratings. Received ratings: 18 positive, 0 negative. Sent ratings: 22 positive, 2 negative. Details: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=kuzetsa
fats_cd03: werd
mircea_popescu: kuzetsa what, wikipedia too ? you're like the perfect enemy. no wonder you'll catch a little flak here.
benkay: those 2012 ratings
DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, she might be in USA, so it's not too much there indeed
mircea_popescu: DreadKnight i think you're approaching this from the wrong angle.
mircea_popescu: living wages are living wages no matter how you turn it.
kuzetsa: mircea_popescu: yes, I've been editing wikipedia for nearly a decade.
mircea_popescu: how can you stand it ?
kuzetsa: in small doses, mostly
mircea_popescu: i can see that.
kuzetsa: oh, you looking at my main WP page under the kuzetsa handle?
mircea_popescu: you stil playing eve ?
kuzetsa: eve? no, not for a few months
DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, living wages depend on geographical location overall and they vary a lot though
mircea_popescu: there's a large-ish bitcoin guild, smickles' in charge these days.
kuzetsa: no eve lately ever since that incident with me being a social idiot and I pissed off a pirate corp who all put large bounties on me
mircea_popescu: DreadKnight notrly.
mircea_popescu: kuzetsa how's being a social idiot manifest ?
mircea_popescu: sexy_saffron so how goes these days ?
sexy_saffron: days go well!
sexy_saffron: lots of shooting
DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, if you're referring they're relative proportion to regular job, that's kinda "notrly" indeed, but when you consider internet crowd funding, that's a different story
mircea_popescu: notrly. :)
mircea_popescu: DreadKnight: cazalla, considered doing something like that with a chick I know that looks like the Dark Queen from Battletoads; got equipment and such << she doing nudes ?
kuzetsa: mircea_popescu: mostly, in my case, when I say "social idiot" I just mean I've had a low success rate for knowing what sort expecations are "standard" within cultures, groups, circles, etc. (whatever you call it -- social situations)
DreadKnight: 100$ in USA is not equal to 100$ in Thaiwan
mircea_popescu: kuzetsa you survived here, inexplicably.
mircea_popescu: !up zzzzzzzzzzzzzz
mircea_popescu: DreadKnight yeah it is. it'
mircea_popescu: s equal to nothing, everywhere.
DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, she is but not for internet stuff; she's hot :3
assbot: I’ll pay for your tits pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
DreadKnight: in USA you can eat a day, in Thaiwian you can eat a week from 100$; just an example
DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, think I had it opened, was waiting for credit
mircea_popescu: i eat once, everywhere. here, romania, new york
assbot: x64_dbg
mircea_popescu: a hundred buck's a decent meal.
kuzetsa: DreadKnight: that spelling is confusing me... did you mean thailand or taiwan?
DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, you, but there was also internet crowd funding involved in the equation when raising money
DreadKnight: kuzetsa, thailand
HeySteve: oh man that reminds me, there was a girl who wanted to do the tits for bits thing
kuzetsa: just don't wear the bitcoin logo on stuff, they might confuse it for baht, the local thai currency :)
HeySteve: if it's still going I should let her know
DreadKnight: so if you're in thailand and raise 100$ online, that's way better compared to living in USA and raising 100$ online from crowd funding
mircea_popescu: HeySteve it is.
DreadKnight: HeySteve, bumped into a website where chicks get naked for btc a while ago
mircea_popescu: DreadKnight $100 is not worth the hassle anyway. no matter where you live.
HeySteve: cool where do I see the current entrants, mircea_popescu?
HeySteve: DreadKnight, girls gone bitcoin maybe?
mircea_popescu: HeySteve you mean the people who already got paid ? scroll down on the article.
DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, it was just an example
DreadKnight: HeySteve, might be
mircea_popescu: i dun think it was. i think it's representative. you're thinking in teh wrong terms.
mircea_popescu: you want to build something that's large, not to make enough for a pizza.
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
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mircea_popescu: cazalla: DreadKnight, that's her, bit too skinny for me but looks ok << that azn chick is god awful.
DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, yes, 100$ won't personally get me far, but it would get me further than someone located in USA
sexy_saffron: I really like how my picture turned out :)
kuzetsa: O_O
cazalla: mircea_popescu, looks or personality or both? i bet she's a dead fish in bed
kuzetsa: DreadKnight: silly spelling for "asian", and I think it has other connotations
kuzetsa: !ud azn
kuzetsa: ;;ud azn
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=AZN | "AzN pRydE, AzN tIL i DiE" WhOo HooOo i'm A DumBaSs DaT doEsnT knnO hOw To tyPe aNd EmBarRAsZz My rAcE anD EthNiCiTy by ClaiMinG PrYde WheN ...
HeySteve: some hotties
DreadKnight: was considering that might be
mircea_popescu: cazalla she looks meh and her personality is obnoxious. she speaks like she's chewing nibblets and her movements are atrocious. needs actor schooling.
DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, agree, she's average, not worst choice but not best choice
cazalla: mircea_popescu, they all look the same to me
mircea_popescu: that's because you're a racist homoerotic aussie.
cazalla: azns, that is
mircea_popescu: kuzetsa what, did i just tinker with his personhood ?
HeySteve: a couple of those links have expired tho
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kuzetsa: mircea_popescu: hmm? oh, I was mostly just embarrased by how I got all yaoi earlier at the "no women on internet" --> "homoerotic thing to say" joke earlier
mircea_popescu: omfg hannah minx = perianne boring's secret camho identitty ?
kuzetsa: mircea_popescu: sad smiley because the homoerotic reference reminded me of it
kuzetsa: I'm such a pervert :(
mircea_popescu: if anyone's looking to spank someone, kuzetsa's asking for it.
benkay: why the sad face, kuzetsa ?
benkay: !up HeySteve
benkay: dude you gotta fix your keytuation
HeySteve: thx benkay
fluffypony: someone else was struggling with it the other day
mircea_popescu: benkay: just to throw a spanner into the works, mircea_popescu, i imagine the d-series do not pay out in the event that the companies use XCP or some such to list << what's that again ?
cazalla: i don't think you can be gay and racist, at least not in australia
HeySteve: gribble says my OTP is incorrect but it works with altgribble. dunno what's up
fluffypony: The20Year I think
fluffypony: nanotube: is gribble's GPG auth broken?
fluffypony: two people reporting the same error is weird
mircea_popescu: fluffypony i authed just fine earlier.
benkay: mircea_popescu: counterparty? "colored coins" v 4.2
fluffypony: [2014-07-25T20:07:35+0200] <the20year> and it says the key is invalid
fluffypony: [2014-07-25T20:08:45+0200] <the20year> ;;gpg everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:532f4c (and so on)
fluffypony: [2014-07-25T20:08:49+0200] <the20year> (2:08:29 PM) gribble: Error: Incorrect one-time password. Try again.
mircea_popescu: benkay it also doesn't pay if the "companies" use a myspace page to "list"
fluffypony: HeySteve: are you seeing the same error as the20year was?
kuzetsa: benkay: 'cause I know well enough to know that a lot of yaoi hentai manga comics and anime are actually degrading to the idea of gay male-bodied persons being in stable, healthy relationships, and I'm a bit ashamed of my objectification-type thinking of of strangers in a pervy way which they might take offense to if they knew I was thinking that about them
HeySteve: yes fluffypony, exactly
mircea_popescu: kuzetsa you care too much. people are here for you to objectify. have fun.
fluffypony: HeySteve: ping nanotube about it, you're not the first person
HeySteve: male-bodied persons? you mean men?
mircea_popescu: fluffypony likely they were using a stale otp
HeySteve: will do, fluffypony
mircea_popescu: ie, not ;;eauth first
HeySteve: mircea_popescu, I used ;;eauth as usual
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: I walked through what the20year was doing, his auth flow seemed correct
kuzetsa: oh, is gribble having trouble with eauth / bcauth?
mircea_popescu: HeySteve she doesn't say men because saying men would imply they have to be fucking men, and she doesn't want to nudge a bunch of pussies towards maturity.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony weird.
HeySteve: mircea_popescu and kuzetsa, I don't like seeing awkward language to serve political purposes, it's too 1984
mircea_popescu: good for a laugh./
kuzetsa shrugs
benkay: mircea_popescu: hue
HeySteve: it doesn't really change anything, just makes communication confusing
benkay: ;;ident
gribble: Nick 'benkay', with hostmask 'benkay!~user@unaffiliated/benkay', is identified as user 'benkay', with GPG key id 2AFA1A9FD2D031DA, key fingerprint 4F7907942CA8B89B01E25A762AFA1A9FD2D031DA, and bitcoin address None
mircea_popescu: so on my box of panthers : "el tabaco te domina. dejalo".
mircea_popescu: if only all the subbie men looking for dommes knew this.
kuzetsa: HeySteve: I prefer to err on the side of sterile and verbose where being "less wordy" might result in ambiguity or leave room for interpretation
mircea_popescu: terseness is a verbosity all of its own.
kuzetsa: perhaps, though I've found that the formal terms for some of the ideas I often wish to express, are best done so in complete, gramatically correct sentences
jurov: "male-bodied persons" left me with quite a room for interpretation xD
HeySteve: I agree, meaning is like the sculpture within the marble, you have to chip away all the extraneous stuff
mircea_popescu: kuzetsa ironically, that notion got expressed in broken english.
kuzetsa: jurov: some people don't self-identify as "men" despite having the legal (and presumably, medical) status of a male person... I've had a lot of friends who don't have a strong sense of gender in their self-identification.
mircea_popescu: and you don't perceive this as a character flaw ?
fluffypony: when did #bitcoin-assets turn into Tumblr?
kuzetsa: neat
kuzetsa: I like this better than reddit
mircea_popescu: fluffypony isn't that pics only ? we has no pics.
jurov: .bait
benkay: <mircea_popescu> terseness is a verbosity all of its own. // speaking in riddles is a great way to get people to think for themselves.
mircea_popescu: there, fixed.
cazalla: kuzetsa, are you cis scum?
benkay: what a dainty little lock
mircea_popescu: benkay was merely a reference to yesterday's quantity / quality thing.
jurov: kuzetsa so you ask everyone about their self-identification first? what if they claim not to be persons at all?
jurov: you call them "human-shaped entity"?
benkay: my least favorite part of american english is the part where nouns aren't gendered.
mircea_popescu: who the fuck cares how people self idnetify ? all sorts of idiots self-identify as ceos of bitcoin entreprises, bitcoin investors, parts of the bitcoin community and so on and so forth ad nauseam. nobody worth two bits credits any of that self-identification crap.
mircea_popescu: benkay you should try russian. takes five days to figure out the genders of everything what goes in a entence.
kuzetsa: jurov: I've met people who self-identify some form of otherkin, and they legally still count as persons, despite a non-human self-identification... they also often accept the term "person" as being equally valid for non-human persons :P
benkay: mircea_popescu: gotta get my spanish more well-dialed first.
kuzetsa: jurov: I don't understand your point, though suspect you might be attempting a straw-man arguemnt or somesuch, or perhaps poking fun at my use of the word "person"
mircea_popescu: kuzetsa no, he's just gay and spunky.
kuzetsa: (please clarify)
kuzetsa: mircea_popescu: oh... that works too
kuzetsa: I like spunk
assbot: Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1SA9W2F.txt )
benkay: !b 1
kuzetsa: oh dear
mircea_popescu: now what's bashable about some woman liking spunk ?!
benkay: kuzetsa: do you have a particular bent for the genderqueer crowd?
kuzetsa: isn't spunk some sort of euphamism for semen or some other bodily fluid?
jurov: i mean, what do you do if you feel the word "person" to be loaded and demeaning
DreadKnight: let the girl like spunk.
mircea_popescu: it's nourishing!
benkay: <mircea_popescu> now what's bashable about some woman liking spunk ?! // it's a good demonstration of some fundamental human characteristics.
benkay: constants, if you will, if such a thing can exist.
jurov: lol spunky. you have no idea.
benkay: i think perhaps mircea_popescu does have an idea
DreadKnight: this channel so logged and censored >_< feels a bit like a concert where everybody has phone up to film
DreadKnight: record* better term
benkay: logged and censored?
DreadKnight: "!b 1"
mircea_popescu: DreadKnight how is it censored ?
kuzetsa: mircea_popescu: interesting, I guess you find BDSM to be "not unpleasant" based on the past 2 datapoints
DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, by removing stuff from log
mircea_popescu: DreadKnight that hasn't happened yet has it ?
DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, guess not...
DreadKnight: so nvm
kuzetsa: I'm reminded earlier about a comment someone made about women who like to be demeaned or humiliated or whatever
assbot: #bitcoin-assets bash
mircea_popescu: meh where was that link with the girls
benkay: that's a pretty funny tan
kuzetsa: that's not the same thing as being non-consensually defamed by a stranger
assbot: NSFW - Mosu’ cu joarda pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
benkay: o we do consensual defamation these days?
benkay: implying defamation is also rape now?
mircea_popescu: speech requires no consent.
mircea_popescu: well, sex either, but that's a different story.
benkay: omg rape is a subcategory of sex!
benkay: heretic!
kuzetsa: mircea_popescu: I didn't know for sure, so I tossed the partial phrase: [unu’ care se pricepe la absolut tot] into google translate -- romanian?
mircea_popescu: no irs not. it's a kind of assault.
mircea_popescu: kuzetsa "one that knows everything". it's ironic, as in, he THIN?KS he does.
mircea_popescu: romanian does a lot of subtext like that.
benkay: btw y'all, don't be using bit-c
kuzetsa: mircea_popescu: oooh, so is it an idiomatic non-literal phrase similar to in english, calling someone a "know-it-all" ?
mircea_popescu: similar.
kuzetsa nods
kuzetsa: I was unable to get the entire page to play nicely with google translate
kuzetsa: it ended up translated to something or other about paid conent
benkay: ;;google bitc/bit-c
gribble: The BitC Programming Language: <http://www.bitc-lang.org/>; BitC Documentation: <http://www.bitc-lang.org/docs/>; bit-c/bitc · GitHub: <https://github.com/bit-c/bitc>
DreadKnight: what's with the nudes? mircea_popescu :D
benkay: that third one
benkay: ;;google bitc/bit-c
gribble: The BitC Programming Language: <http://www.bitc-lang.org/>; BitC Documentation: <http://www.bitc-lang.org/docs/>; bit-c/bitc · GitHub: <https://github.com/bit-c/bitc>
mircea_popescu: kuzetsa yeah trilema lets you see a few articles each week, then you gotta pay. much to DreadKnight's fortune, he's not yet discovered how much btc amassed into that address.
kuzetsa: *content, specifically: "This article is available for a fee."
mircea_popescu: DreadKnight b-a tradition.
mircea_popescu: we used to have a dedicated bot but then it was too tame or something
benkay: i miss ozbot
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 247 @ 0.0029 = 0.7163 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: i dun recall what the issue was really
kuzetsa: mircea_popescu: oooh, so the google translate server farm thinger has been detected as having exceeded quota?
assbot: China seals off town after man dies of bubonic plague - Yahoo!7
mircea_popescu: kuzetsa prolly.
kuzetsa: makes sense, neat.
mircea_popescu: kuzetsa anyway, the gist of it is that some random ro blogger got caught stealing a pic off a chan and presenting it as himself assfucking the girl in question.
mircea_popescu: his response was that "all blogers steal"
DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, roger; was confused at first to see "Credits: 4" on your website, as I was thinking of the "cast" thingy like in movies; but yeah, you seem to write quite a bit about everything, so I see that working more and more with time as people get more familiar with technologies and digital currencies and become less scrubs hopefully
mircea_popescu: my response is this article, saying yeah, check it out, he's right. lucky me, i just stole some pictures off google which just happen to depict my own slaves. yay.
assbot: Arizona's Execution Attempt Goes Horribly Wrong As Man Remains Alive Nearly 2 Hours After Injection | ThinkProgress
gribble: The operation succeeded.
HeySteve: hmm if her arms were free she'd be a better scarecrow
asciilifeform went to exercise and, as usual, missed all the goodstuff
benkay: i've never quite grokked what goes through the tied-up human's head when they're so tied for hours
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform see, exercising is bad for you
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: actually, aren't they derping about various russian citizens sanctions and whatnot << so far, the only effect is to make u.s. small arms collectors pay double for kalash
mircea_popescu: benkay so try it.
kuzetsa: benkay: that bit-c thing reminded me of a thing I recently came across which converts LLVM bytecode into javascript: https://github.com/kripken/emscripten/wiki
assbot: Home kripken/emscripten Wiki GitHub
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: gasenwagen... triage. <<< you failed to qualify >> so far.
kuzetsa: emscripten is apparently pretty mature, and has been around for a few years (next month is 4th aniversary, they already have over 10k commits in the repo and everything!!!!)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: russian way is to use same cuffs and a radiator.
mircea_popescu: anything heavy
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: my memory fails me. is there such a goddess ? >> ishtar.
mircea_popescu: !up HeySteve
mircea_popescu: !up dbit
benkay: mircea_popescu: who'll do the tying tho
mircea_popescu: benkay you had a wife no ?
HeySteve: thx mircea_popescu, I left a note for nanotube on that issue.
benkay: past tense lol
benkay: hm, i suppose.
mircea_popescu: what, are you having her right now "?!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ...count themselves as paupers << yep
benkay: always figured there was something to the person and the theatre of it, but perhaps a more utilitarian approach is called for
benkay: you joker!
mircea_popescu: there's no theatre in slavery or in security.
mircea_popescu: where theatre begins either has long ended.
benkay: can slavery be turned on and off?
benkay: yeah.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it isn't about the money, but the chain. long chain or short chain, no matter. but, if the 20k came from a mythical machine that disgorges dough, that'd be a different matter. in my book, that's a 'fortune' - because no chain.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform kinda what i was trying to get across to the guy, from another angle.
mircea_popescu: same with the kid on my blog asking me why i'm not the one doing the romanian btc atm. well... because they won't do it on my terms and i'm not doing it on theirs. obviously.
asciilifeform: this is why, e.g. spammers, break their necks trying to score the 20k machine.
asciilifeform: they dream of escape.
mircea_popescu: at least ideally, sure.
benkay: !s benkay dream
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
mircea_popescu: "Woe to him whom Ishtar had honoured! The fickle goddess treated her passing lovers cruelly, and the unhappy wretches usually paid dearly for the favours heaped on them. Animals, enslaved by love, lost their native vigour: they fell into traps laid by men or were domesticated by them. 'Thou has loved the lion, mighty in strength', says the hero Gilgamesh to Ishtar, 'and thou hast dug for him seven and seven pits! Thou
mircea_popescu: hast loved the steed, proud in battle, and destined him for the halter, the goad and the whip.'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what part of that reads like "fuck me in the ass, get lsd, fuck me down the throat, get pot"
asciilifeform: nobody declined the chance to fuck ishtar though.
mircea_popescu: now how would you know that.
asciilifeform: well, legend.
mircea_popescu: it doth not say that does it ?
mircea_popescu is not exactly a middle east specialist.
asciilifeform only vaguely recalls the relevant text
fluffypony: holy fuck HR Giger is creepy in this documentary
fluffypony: he's like a creepy uncle that wants to watch you change
mircea_popescu: lmao wut
mircea_popescu is really curious if benkay took the implicit "so have her lock you up" as intended or simply read the neutral statemen the other way :D
benkay: hm? what's the other interpretation?
mircea_popescu: you locking her up
benkay: yeah no, can't imagine that answering my questions.
mircea_popescu: prolly not. make for decent dinner conversation for a while tho
benkay: myeah. plus, fun for all parties involved.
HeySteve: fluffypony for sure! was sad to hear of his death, really enjoy his art
benkay: on an ENTIRELY DIFFERENT TOPIC, mircea_popescu what sorts of events will trigger F.DERP divs?
mircea_popescu: mostly overcapitalisation
benkay: fund'll probably be around for a few years, eh?
kuzetsa: did I miss anything when I wandered off other than mircea_popescu ... wait, what
kuzetsa: fuck me in the ass, get lsd, fuck me down the throat, get pot?
kuzetsa tries to figure out the context
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7306 @ 0.0008003 = 5.847 BTC [+]
kuzetsa: probably just commentary or misunderstanding about some sort of confusing poetry... I hope?
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
jurov: so if, say, bitpay suddenly croaks, F.DERP NAV will increase by 240 BTC?
benkay: this depends on what we mean by NAV
kuzetsa: benkay: oh wow... that was an awfully large gap in context from the initial comment to the later one
jurov: ;;calc (1000-793)*0.24
gribble: 49.68
benkay: 50btc, which incidentally is just what's in coverage
benkay: now - does nav include coverage?
benkay: kuzetsa: this is why reading the logs is mandatory to keep up with conversation
benkay: kakobrekla, mike_c, jurov, mircea_popescu: i think this is an open question. does F.DERP NAV include coverage?
jurov: !t m d.bpay
assbot: Good morning, may you serve the Lord, and may His holy dominion guide you through your dismal life.
jurov: !t m s.mpoe
assbot: Your actions are useless.
jurov: !t mpex s.mpoe
assbot: You know, I've had it up to here with this Indian malarkey.
benkay: gr8
jurov: !ticker mpex s.mpoe
assbot: Good morning, may you serve the Lord, and may His holy dominion guide you through your dismal life.
jurov: /o
benkay: kakobrekla: assbot's broken
benkay: !mpif
assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021707 B (Total: 474.69 B). Delta: -0.59 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00019 BTC [-]
benkay: !help
assbot: List of commands:
assbot: !up (desc: sending it via PM will voice you on chan given sufficient WOT rating)
assbot: !up <nick> (desc: sending it on chan will give <nick> voice for 30 minutes)
assbot: !ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !t}
assbot: !last <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns last price value, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !l}
assbot: !mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)
assbot: !rules <nick/chan> (desc: chan guidelines) {short: !r}
assbot: !exchanges <nick/chan> (desc: lists exchanges and brokers) {short: !e}
assbot: !jd (desc: returns relevant stats from https://just-dice.com)
assbot: !bash <lines> (desc: bashes last <lines> lines to bash) {short: !b}
assbot: !quote <lines> (desc: quotes last <lines> lines and returns dpaste url) {short: !q}
kuzetsa: benkay: there's too much text in here
benkay: kuzetsa: it ain't so bad
kuzetsa: it's busier than most channels I'm able to keep up with
benkay: so ditch the zeros and hang with the heroes
jurov: btw, mpex.ws says the volume is only 42
jurov: on d.bpay
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.17011317 = 1.8712 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.17004559 = 1.8705 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: <benkay> fund'll probably be around for a few years, eh? << yes.
mircea_popescu: <jurov> so if, say, bitpay suddenly croaks, F.DERP NAV will increase by 240 BTC? << yes.
mircea_popescu: <benkay> kakobrekla, mike_c, jurov, mircea_popescu: i think this is an open question. does F.DERP NAV include coverage? << yes. let's model this thing :
mircea_popescu: F gets 100 btc in cash, issues 50 btc worth of f.a shares and 50 btc worth of f.b shares. 10 btc of each sells.
mircea_popescu: f now has 120 in cash.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.17 = 0.68 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: 100 of which is equity of shareholders, 20 is provisions.
mircea_popescu: f.a croaks. f.b now has the same 120 in cash, but equity moves : 110 shareholders, 10 provisions. leaving a nav gain of 10.
mircea_popescu: f.b lists, the f section thereof being worth 30 btc.
mircea_popescu: f now has 90 in cash, and nav dropped 20 from last, and 10 lifetime.
mircea_popescu: make sense ?
jurov: you mean d.a and d.b ?
mircea_popescu: as the case may be, yes.
mircea_popescu: now, this is not mandatory, in the sense that an investor can evaluate the nav through absolutely any methodology that investor likes.
jurov: won't there be f.mpif-style marketmaker for f.derp?
benkay: fuq is going on there?
assbot: White Slavery is Real
benkay: nom
DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, could use some tutoring about stocks / shares / dividends as well, mainly from the perspective of getting something listed
mircea_popescu: ;;google how does one list on mpex
gribble: How does one list on MPEx ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/how-does-one-list-on-mpex>; Why List On MPEx? | When Bitcoin Met Pete: <http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/07/15/why-list-on-mpex/>; MPEx & Bitcoin Stock Exchanges - Bitcoin Forum: <https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=145919.0>
DreadKnight: thanks
jurov: makes sense, only i suspect f.derp will fall to quirky pricing of mpex assets
kuzetsa: ;;echo kuzetsa highlight test]
gribble: Error: Spurious "]". You may want to quote your arguments with double quotes in order to prevent extra brackets from being evaluated as nested commands.
kuzetsa: ;;echo kuzetsa highlight test (attempt 2)
gribble: kuzetsa highlight test (attempt 2)
kuzetsa: ah good, I correctly configured my client
kuzetsa: [20:00:17] <+benkay> kuzetsa: this is why reading the logs is mandatory to keep up with conversation
benkay: yesm?
kuzetsa: benkay: thanks for the advice --- despite being busier than I'm used to, I happen to like it here more than most channels, so I finally got around to configuring my "highlight on nick" feature on my client
kuzetsa: I really should've done it ages ago, I'm often in a more than 2 dozen channels across no fewer than 4 networks most of the time
benkay: lol that's a pretty scanty sample on which to base that
benkay: we must be p awesome
kuzetsa: (lately it's been 30+ channels across 5 networks)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 57 @ 0.01533003 = 0.8738 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: kuzetsa i do only 1 chan
kuzetsa: I like no fewer than 4chan, but mostly because I'm such a /b/tard
benkay: wait a /b/tard who gets panty-twisted over gender assignations?
kuzetsa: ... I really don't go in /b/ much these days though (or any of 4chan, really)
mircea_popescu: are we being trolled ?
kuzetsa: mircea_popescu: not by me (at this time)
kuzetsa: I occasionally attempt humor though
kuzetsa: ... and that rarely works out well
mircea_popescu: !up BrianB
benkay: time will tell i suppose
cazalla: kuzetsa, how about /pol/ ?
jurov: on a second thought, it will result in money cumulating in f.derp whenever d.* croaks with some promise "will be paid out in few years"
kuzetsa: yes, I'm doing a pirateat40-style long con or something, except with trolling
jurov: wouldn't be better to pay out part of it right after d.* event?
kuzetsa: cazalla: which one is that on? gurochan? or is it 4chan and I just don't pay close enough attention?
mircea_popescu: jurov in principle if one wants to keep the same btc value that one just sells share
benkay: <jurov> on a second thought, it will result in money cumulating in f.derp whenever d.* croaks with some promise "will be paid out in few years" // yeah, this.
benkay: i like the mpex assets that accumulate btc.
assbot: /pol/ - Politically Incorrect
benkay: :thumbsup: from the kid
jurov: it's then hard to sell for me "it will never pay anything, but dun worry, mircea has it"
kuzetsa clicks cazalla's link out of morbid curiousity
mircea_popescu: isn't that how everything goes ?
jurov: it does not go for coinbr :(
jurov: it needs another s.dice
benkay: now hang on just liquidate the thing when you want out
benkay: as nav goes up so will bids
kuzetsa: cazalla: thanks, I skimmed the first page of /pol/ and then when I got to the bottom I intentionally clicked a banner ad link which took me to jlist since it seemed more interesting than checking the next page
mircea_popescu: ;;ud jlist
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Jlist.com | ... JLIHP · j'like · J Lil' Swag · j'lin · J. Lindeberg · j-line · JLing · jlining · Jlink · Jlinklet · J. Linz · Jliop · j-list · Jlist.com · J-lister · JLit · JLJC ... Jlist.com isn't defined.
benkay: mircea_popescu's committed to filling sells below nav every day
benkay: if he stops, the jig is clearly up anyways lololololol
jurov: benkay he just said, no MM
benkay: "To maintain liquidity, all ASKS under NAV will be bought up once during the 24 hour period after the fund reports. "
jurov: that's from where?
benkay: there's no contract, clearly, which is impeding this discussion.
benkay elbows mircea_popescu
assbot: Introducing F.DERP pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
cazalla: kuzetsa, l2adblock and troll harder
kuzetsa: cazalla: nah, I just use a sandboxed browsers and have a rate limiter on how much CPU waste any particular script can use
kuzetsa: cazalla: and incidentally, I really was bored and wandered over to jlist -- they have nice merch.
benkay: man cazalla you're p butthurt this afternoon
cazalla: kuzetsa, are you japanese?
cazalla: benkay, not reary, just bored, little sleep, teething baby and all
benkay: brutal.
mircea_popescu: basically he's horny.
kuzetsa: cazalla: いいえでも日本語はなしま
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 200 @ 0.00294999 = 0.59 BTC [-] {2}
cazalla: kuzetsa, i didn't think you'd be one to engage in cultural appropriation
kuzetsa: what?
benkay: generally people who get bent out of shape about gender and naming and shaming and what-has-one don't do the cultural appropriation thing, because "imperialism".
kuzetsa: fuck that shit
mircea_popescu: lol wait, people can't speak foreign languages now ?
kuzetsa: I don't subscribe to any particular rules of conduct
mircea_popescu: in bitcoin-assets ?! when did this happen
benkay: ASSPLAIN YOURSELF, CAZALLA
benkay: the torches and pitchforks approach
kuzetsa: yes
cazalla: kuzetsa, why browse and purchase items from jlist when you're not japanese, that's cultural appropriation and typical of you tumblr types
cazalla: ah, benkay already explained
kuzetsa: heh
mircea_popescu: lmao cultural appropriation get out
cazalla: it's a thing mircea_popescu
kuzetsa: yeah sure, jlist is the devil or something
mircea_popescu: on chinese keyboards ?
mircea_popescu: pity kakobrekla isn't here to tell them darned japs to stop wearing ties. SOMALIAN INVENTION.
cazalla: nfi, i didn't come up with or adhere to it
kuzetsa: cazalla: you're accusing someone of unethical non-boycotting of a presumably "bad / unethical" business when that same person also uses cex.io GHS despite the potential harms of centralization
cazalla: kuzetsa, that'd cause more harm to your wallet, wouldn't it?
DreadKnight: that Hannah Minx chick is all about cultural appropriation xD
kuzetsa: I'm lawful evil in most things, so the concept of boycotting a business whose practices aren't illegal or against my own personal practices would just be pointless.
kuzetsa: mircea_popescu: yeah, I've done the furniture thing (let's leave it to the imagination who was the furiture for who)
mircea_popescu: well inasmuch as i don't know you, what diff does it make :p
kuzetsa: DreadKnight: mine is ... not that
kuzetsa: this is the most recent dashboard post for one of my more NSFW tumblr accounts ---> https://40.media.tumblr.com/7ac19bdd7652e3e26d497eb4cc5842c3/tumblr_n6uc3hzm3s1rbmzr2o1_500.jpg
kuzetsa: (I was not trolling, I really am honestly following http://diversexity.tumblr.com/ on that account)
assbot: Diversexity
benkay: "relax clara those who think that gender determines intellectual performance can't really have a good logical thinking"
benkay: lololol
mircea_popescu: kuzetsa not bad,
mircea_popescu: benkay you an' me baby are nothin' but mammals so let's get a good logical thinkin' thing goin'...
kuzetsa: neat
cazalla: kuzetsa, nb but too tubby for me
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mircea_popescu: 20 hours to go, 2k blocks away.
DreadKnight: wondering what's the story behind that picture
assbot: Diversexity : Photo
DreadKnight: they seem to have knee protection, so probably walked in 4 limbs for quite a bit
benkay: also
kuzetsa: DreadKnight: yeah, the knee pad thing is a good safety measure for uhm... science O_O
DreadKnight: first one appeals to my sapiosexual side, second one has funny face
benkay: ;;ud sapiosexual
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=sapiosexual | sapiosexual. One who finds intelligence the most sexually attractive feature. "I want an incisive, inquisitive, insightful, irreverent mind. I want someone for whom  ...
DreadKnight: kuzetsa, are you into that sort of science as well? :D
kuzetsa: DreadKnight: ah, fair enough -- I thought sapiosexual was an ok word for my own preferences until I realized the extra fancy term: "panromantic demisexual" was a much more accurate thing in my case (as far as labels go)
kuzetsa: DreadKnight: which science?
DreadKnight: means attracted by intelligence basically
DreadKnight: kuzetsa, I was quoting you :D
benkay: so uh for the retards in the room what precisely are your inclinations, kuzetsa ?
benkay: panromantic demisexual
kuzetsa: benkay: uhhh
benkay: demi - not really into sex?
benkay: panromantic - lover of all?
kuzetsa: as far as romantic relationships are concerned, physicallity is something I neither object to nor expect
kuzetsa: or is it spelled physicality?
DreadKnight: I get the idea, also googled a bit
kuzetsa: benkay: yeah, all -- in the sense of there not being any particular body type or sexual or gender identity I find to be a dealbreaker
kuzetsa: "it's all good"
DreadKnight: would be great if less people were all about sex; maybe would see less stupid people with lots of kids as well
DreadKnight: frigging humanity is a cancer
cazalla: DreadKnight, you can always neck yourself
kuzetsa: DreadKnight: cancer eh?
benkay: kuzetsa: typically people focus more on the kinds of folks they want around rather than the kinds of folks they find objectionable
kuzetsa: DreadKnight: isn't the cancer astrological sign the one that looks like a 69?
DreadKnight: cazalla, so far I don't have kids, so that basically lowers population by itself if doing the math
cazalla: DreadKnight, but if you're so smart, surely makes sense to have kids then
benkay: cazalla: that raises an interesting question. why'd you choose to have kids?
cazalla: benkay, because i thought i was going to die
cazalla: i still am, perhaps just not as soon
DreadKnight: cazalla, maybe eventually, but it's not a must, need other things first
benkay: what was the timeframe when you made the call?
cazalla: benkay, as it turns out, i had pretty bad sinus infection
DreadKnight: cazalla, anyway, plenty of kids made and abandoned, it would be smarter to adopt one then make a new one just because imo
benkay: instead of what, cancer?
benkay: DreadKnight: gotta start from a known-good state.
cazalla: yeah plus list of other shit i googled, doctor didn't really help much
cazalla: benkay, obviously wasn't the sole reason but thinking i was going to die sooner than later, seemed like a good idea to have a kid
benkay: DreadKnight: this is the kind of advice that ruins people's lives: "go adopt a rescue animal for your first dog! you'll have no idea what it's suffered through or how trainable it is! think of the poor dogs!"
benkay: mnope nope nope nope nope
benkay: if you've never trained a dog, set both of yourselves up for success.
cazalla: DreadKnight, why would you adopt a kid, spend money on it when it's not even yours?
benkay: 'cause you're a hairshirt ecofreak.
cazalla: a million other kids can starve for all i care
DreadKnight: benkay, personally I think pets will pretty much disappear in favor of robots soon, but that's just me; anyway, jumping from humans to pets is quite a leap
benkay: wat
benkay: son you're crazy
DreadKnight: cazalla, we're all the same matter and it's not like I don't have physical weaknesses, same applies for my potential mate
benkay: do you have a pet, children, or any sort of long term human companion, DreadKnight ?
cazalla: DreadKnight, why not just have a friend come over and fuck your wife and raise that baby? i don't see the difference in that and adopting tbh
DreadKnight: benkay, said before I don't have children; had a few pets when I was younger; avoiding human companion atm
benkay: k you're disqualified from opining on relationships until you address all the above
DreadKnight: cazalla, adopting is when you take something already made that most likely has a shitty future; friend coming to fuck your wise is still making something brand new ;)
DreadKnight: benkay, your disqualification is invalid to me
DreadKnight: it's not like everybody needs to make a kid
DreadKnight: just to spread along some genes
cazalla: doesn't the urge to fuck come from that though
DreadKnight: I said I'm sapiosexual
DreadKnight: I'm not all about sex
cazalla: people who say that probably have small dicks
benkay: lol meaning you disqualify yourself from finding mates because they're stupid so you don't actually have to try to get laid
DreadKnight: cazalla, I'm doing really well in that field actually
DreadKnight: benkay, I'm not disqualifying myself, I like artsy chicks usually and single ones are pretty rare around
cazalla: why are you attracted to smart women DreadKnight? my wife is dumb as rock and that's how i like it
DreadKnight: why were you attracted to your wife? good looks? character/charisma? supportive?
benkay: cazalla needs to feel superior
DreadKnight: seems so
cazalla: not i'm just being honest
cazalla: no*
cazalla: DreadKnight, because she's loving, friendly, well natured, modest, prefers to do her craftwork, lampworking etc in her spare time instead of going out getting drunk
cazalla: plus that big ass
mircea_popescu: <DreadKnight> they seem to have knee protection, so probably walked in 4 limbs for quite a bit << yeah bursitis is no fun
DreadKnight: I'm attracted to smart women because they feel less like robots/animals, in the sense they're not all about sex / shopping / make-up; and if they even have an artistic side, like drawing, then even better :3
mircea_popescu: <benkay> panromantic demisexual << spending a lot of time daydreaming ?
mircea_popescu: <kuzetsa> "it's all good" << traditionally this isn't called anything but "desperate" you know.
DreadKnight: cazalla, sounds pretty nice overall; I prefer tities a bit more though
mircea_popescu: <cazalla> benkay, because i thought i was going to die << so what, something like "eh fuck the world, im dieing anyway" ?
cazalla: DreadKnight, well you should see these ones, full of milk, doubled in size :)
DreadKnight: cazalla, the thing is that around here in this city, there's a really nasty stereotype of girls, "pitzipoanca", basically a club barbie doll that's so not my type
cazalla: mircea_popescu, well yeah, if i'm honest that was part of it
mircea_popescu: <benkay> son you're crazy <<< wasn't that mocsny fellow derping the same derpage in the 90s ? o, soon sex robots!!1
DreadKnight: cazalla, pitzipoanca is usually smoking, has a lot of dresses, make-up, talks all the time on expensive latest iphone, goes clubbing all the time, listens only to music like house or manele (gypsy crap)
cazalla: DreadKnight, i don't like that either
mircea_popescu: DreadKnight the valley girl is not as romanian as you think.
nanotube: fluffypony: the20year's problem was his browser was caching the old encrypted otp. heysteve's is probably same?
mircea_popescu: nanotube likely yes.
DreadKnight: cazalla, my mayor is a drug addict with classical cars and there are a ton of "posh" clubs around, so I'm not quite in the place I should probably be
DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, yeah, noticed the pattern in other areas as well
mircea_popescu: benkay: DreadKnight: gotta start from a known-good state. << a well chosen known-bad state works even better.
benkay: if you're just learning how to do the thing?
mircea_popescu: tbh, you shouldn't be learning by doing. but hey.
mircea_popescu: cazalla: people who say that probably have small dicks << zing, srsly.
mircea_popescu: artsy chicks are hard to get by now ?! what world is this!
benkay: mircea_popescu: seems that training slaves is one of those things you can only learn by doing
mircea_popescu: try and find some twentysomething that ISNT belabouring under the delusion that she can "create" art.
DreadKnight: quite a bit of people seen me naked and they said I'm doing really good length wise; and I was really cold at that time (shrinkage)
benkay: <mircea_popescu> try and find some twentysomething that ISNT belabouring under the delusion that she can "create" art. // srsly
cazalla: DreadKnight, exception that proves the rule perhaps
benkay: <DreadKnight> quite a bit of people seen me naked and they said I'm doing really good length wise; and I was really cold at that time (shrinkage)
benkay: // but nothing to compare on your own?
DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, compared to other types, artsy chicks are fewer, so more difficulty in getting one
benkay: DreadKnight: that's a geography problem
cazalla: DreadKnight, you see artsy as smart, i see it as dumb, we probably like the same women
DreadKnight: so a girl who makes 3d characters is dumb, while one that only smokes and drinks is better? xD
benkay: til that dumb has nothing to do with intelligence in aus
cazalla: DreadKnight, i'm sure i read something before that people who drink excessively are often smart
mircea_popescu: ;;google bani pentru piariste
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mircea_popescu: i wouldn't fuck a woman that doesn't drink.
mircea_popescu: smoking... either way really.
kuzetsa: mircea_popescu: I don't agree to that joke about "desperate", particularly when demisexual persons are considered part of the asexual spectrum, and in my case, I don't particularly have a strong & compelling sex drive a lot of the time
asciilifeform: zoo of the future << zoolag.
asciilifeform: !s zoolag
mircea_popescu: spectrum eh ?
benkay: sex drive lol
kuzetsa: yes, human asexuality isn't a black & white condition, there are gradiations and different forms it can take (like for instance, demisexual)
cazalla: mircea_popescu, i don't think people who refrain from drinking actually fuck, my missus for example
benkay: the person who drives the relationship makes sex happen, not the other way around.
benkay: ever seen two people who both like to be told what to do in bed lie there hoping the other will make a move?
kuzetsa: benkay: I'm neither exclusively top nor bottom no submisive nor dominant in that regard :)
benkay: "did his toe touch mine? ARE WE GOING TO HAVE SEX?"
mircea_popescu: kuzetsa are you basically trying to not be anything ?
kuzetsa: mircea_popescu: nah, far from it -- demisexual is a thing
mircea_popescu: cazalla half wine enemas work wonders on them.
mircea_popescu: kuzetsa only according to you.
benkay: WINE ENEMA
kuzetsa: ;;ud demisexual
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=demisexual | Demisexuals are characterized by a lack of sexual attraction toward any person unless they become deeply emotionally or romantically connected with...
assbot: FuckU-FuckMe. Changing the feel of communication.
mircea_popescu: lol asciilifeform king of pun
benkay: pwm?
cazalla: kuzetsa, you remind me of this type of person http://i.imgur.com/tAShNZU.jpg
asciilifeform: benkay: pulse width modulation ?
benkay: :D
benkay: drive jokes
kuzetsa: cazalla: a lot of those are true about me
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mircea_popescu: lmao not bad imgur.
benkay: haha
kuzetsa: cazalla: thanks for linking that too, I didn't realize the word "kyriarchy" was even a thing (this word pleases me, it's a good thing to have a word for, and as a thing, kyriarchy sucks all of the badness)
mircea_popescu: benkay WINE ENEMA << yes. a regular bottle of white wine should suffice for two girls. mix in about a liter of warm water, use a bag or syringe and finish with jewel buttplug.
asciilifeform: 'rule by the rulers', lol
mircea_popescu: ;;ud kyriarchy
gribble: http://el.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=kyriarchy | τυχαίο A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z # νέο tv. Μόδα. thot · totes magotes · colonel angus · reddit hug · poopsock · tittybong · poopsterbate ...
benkay: poopsock?
benkay: tittybong?
mircea_popescu decides to be MP, Supreme Bitcoin Kyriarch henceforth.
kuzetsa: mircea_popescu: this is more better than... whatever the fuck that particult urban dictioary gibberish was (and unlike urban dictionary, has actual citations) ---> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyriarchy
assbot: Kyriarchy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
asciilifeform owns 'kyristor.com'
cazalla: benkay you've never had a poopsock? clearly you've never played an mmorpg then
benkay: i did eve for a while
asciilifeform: (think 'resistor' or 'capacitor')
mircea_popescu: well not to that degree.
benkay: but no, that sort of shit's far less entertaining than...anything else.
mircea_popescu: "Kyriarchy ("rule by a lord") is a social system or set of connecting social systems built around domination, oppression, and submission. " << yeah. basically, they now have a word to describe how the world both is and is supposed to be.
kuzetsa narrows eyes
mircea_popescu: well done femiderps :D
kuzetsa: libertarians piss me the fuck off too, actually -_-
benkay: they've come full circle to making sense i guess
kuzetsa: well they do and they don't
mircea_popescu: whai ? they just protest teh kyriarchy
kuzetsa: right libertarianism, specifically
asciilifeform: just wait till we plug the kyristors in.
kuzetsa: ... considering that left libertarianism isn't particularly incompatible with democratic socialism
mircea_popescu: "democratic socialism" is incompatible with reality.
DreadKnight: that imgur is what I had in mind as well overall
cazalla: or a really subtle troll
mircea_popescu: "FuckU-FuckMe is the most powerful, pleasurable, inexpensive, and only dual-party Internet remote intercourse tool on the market today." << this should be on an ipo
mircea_popescu: anyone here care to recycle that website into a tardstalk ipo ?
cazalla: i guess the best trolls are the ones that you're not sure of
DreadKnight: it's a form or art :D
mircea_popescu: anyway, does kuzetsa get the crown for the first libertard to have tried b-a or does truffles actually get that one ?
kuzetsa: what's a b-a?
mircea_popescu: this place.
kuzetsa: ok, then what's a libertard?
mircea_popescu: someone who mistakenly believes that human life can have meaning outside of an opressive structure.
kuzetsa: specifically, is it a pejorative term (I assume) aimed at a particular political affiliation?
kuzetsa: mircea_popescu: oh, no, I don't think humans are AT ALL MEANINGFUL IN THE WHOLE UNIVERSE EVER
mircea_popescu: generally, people who identify as liberals, progressives, social-something or the other etc.
kuzetsa: the universe would still exist if humanity was wiped out
mircea_popescu: that has nothing to do.
kuzetsa: this planet is nothing special either
mircea_popescu: this isn't an ontological discussion.
DreadKnight: it's political
kuzetsa: huh
mircea_popescu: basically, anyone who's to the left of, being in favour of the release of serbs in medieval germany/russia could count as a libertard, depending how the conversation turns.
kuzetsa: so to clarify, are you referring to things vaguely on the side of "social left" = libertard?
DreadKnight: kuzetsa, do you think that the opinion of all people matter? (something to step in the right direction)
kuzetsa: DreadKnight: no, most people don't matter
mircea_popescu: kuzetsa and most of contemporary "right".
DreadKnight: kuzetsa, but why?
mircea_popescu: <kuzetsa> DreadKnight: no, most people don't matter << isn't that opressive ?!
kuzetsa: people don't matter, and their opinions tend to be at least twice as stupid
DreadKnight: why? :P
kuzetsa: DreadKnight: as mircea_popescu said, this isn't an ontological discussion (and then you chimed in to qualify: it's political)
DreadKnight: you were almost talking about aliens
DreadKnight: mircea brought you back to earth
kuzetsa: nah, more along the lines of the heat death of the universe (at which point, politics are no longer relevant)
mircea_popescu: of course they are.
mircea_popescu: what isn't relevant is said death.
kuzetsa: heat death of the universe resets everything to a state of entropy, including politics
asciilifeform: http://kyristor.com << dumped my ancient derpage in there for archaeologists to derp on.
assbot: kyristor
mircea_popescu: one of the telling symptoms of the libertard is that he'll replace his person as is with some sort of ilimited derivative of god, and pretend to concern himself with "the termic death of the universe".
DreadKnight: universe will likely reset itself, all supposedly immortal beings within it's bounds will get poked as well with it
mircea_popescu: this is not a consideration open to you, the demiamorous pansexual w/e the hell.
kuzetsa shrugs
kuzetsa: aliens wouldn't be as tedious as human-type people are... socializing is hard :(
DreadKnight: do you know any aliens?
kuzetsa: (this is that "social idiot" thing I mentioned)
mircea_popescu: right, the dollies wouldn't be as hard as the classmates, if the dollies were classmates.
mircea_popescu: except, they are not.
mircea_popescu: this oppressive point of reality must be digested.
kuzetsa: DreadKnight: none, no, they just seem plausibly less tedious (though not neccessarily friendly to be around) than figuring out how people work
DreadKnight: Kushed, just because they're from a different place doesn't mean they're not affected by polarity / gravity and yin&yang as well
mircea_popescu: poor Kushed
DreadKnight: kuzetsa, ^
kuzetsa: DreadKnight: my premise in thinking it would plausibly be less tedious isn't that they would be "better" but that it would be less "same old shit"
DreadKnight: anyway, you're kinda dodging the libertard subject thingy, so moving on I guess...
kuzetsa: I don't know what libertard means, so yeah
DreadKnight: kuzetsa, same colors in their world as well, unless they get to see more of them or maybe less
DreadKnight: or none
DreadKnight: seen a nice asian movie about humanity going blind
DreadKnight: thanks to some virus
kuzetsa: neat
asciilifeform: asimov's 'nightfall.' 'children of men.' snore.
cazalla: mircea_popescu, still too skinny
DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, nice to see contrast like that
mircea_popescu: twist : stephen king is actually going blind, and borges too
asciilifeform: borges is dead
cazalla: i don't see the appeal in the chains plus that residue you get on your hands from shit like that would annoy me
asciilifeform: unless you're thinking of one other than jorge luis
mircea_popescu: well, were.
mircea_popescu: cazalla the appeal was supposed to be the secret life of the teenager.
DreadKnight: it wasn't about the chain
DreadKnight: though it shows some kinkiness :3
cazalla: are you trying to chris hanson me or something
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cazalla: more PR than Indiancandy could pay for
decimation: ascii have you read Hal Clement's Mission of Gravity
asciilifeform: negative
mircea_popescu: mthreat cool. cazalla yes :D
DreadKnight: mthreat, she's actually from around :)
mircea_popescu: DreadKnight from around where ?!
DreadKnight: channel
mircea_popescu: ah, the history we don't know :D
DreadKnight: heard a bit
decimation: What about Niven's "A World Out of Time"
decimation: 1970's prisonier who was cryo-frozen, then unfrozen in the future and sent on a mission to the center of galaxy
asciilifeform thinks niven is a hack
DreadKnight: decimation, ever seen Idiocracy movie?
decimation: yeah I've seen it
decimation: I started ringworld, I thought it was boring, didn't get the hype
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decimation: 2001: a space odyssey was one of my favorite movies as a kid, but I was disappointed by the book honestly
decimation: kubrik > clarke
kuzetsa: whatever, I don't care if I'm a libertard or not -- figuring out what labels even are for is too much like work
asciilifeform: labels aren't arbitrarily tacked on - they're lived.
kuzetsa: cazalla: sorry about earlier throwing a fit about the "I'd hit it" or whatever and trashy something or other (no clue what you even said, it wasn't that bad though)
decimation: you might not be interested in politics, but politics are interested in you...
mircea_popescu: decimation lol
mircea_popescu: kuzetsa you are, yeah, but the prediction attendant would be that you'd never make it here, and yet it's not coming true.
mircea_popescu: obviously social sciences aren't real sciences.
mthreat: isn't economics a social science?
kuzetsa: mircea_popescu: mostly I'm just already jaded and given up on any sort of quota for how much offensive shit I'm going to be bothered by at any given time... it sometimes takes a bit of effort to "give up and just go with it"
decimation: until someone has developed a deterministic model of the human mind, I don't think social sciences can do any thing more than tell stories
mircea_popescu: kuzetsa another victory for the kyriarchy.
kuzetsa: lulz
kuzetsa: apparently, sure
kuzetsa: I secretly got my libertard stink all over it though
kuzetsa: not even very stealthy, I think some people noticed me doing it :/
mircea_popescu: kyriarchy does not care what you're thinking while taking its unsolicited fat cock, as long as you moan appropriately.
mircea_popescu: kinda what makes it better than oppresive regimes a la usg in the first place.
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kuzetsa: perhaps
kuzetsa: my problem is not knowing what's appropriate
kuzetsa: I'm far more likely to speak up when I don't understand what's going on or why than I am to "moan" (appropriately or otherwise)
decimation: " From the system's perspective, not only did it still get blown, it liked it even more. In this analogy, the system is the system and you're not."
kuzetsa: oh, that
kuzetsa: decimation: in that case, moirallegiance comes to mind
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cazalla: kuzetsa, that's ok, nothing offends me
kuzetsa: I enjoy debate, particularly when it turns into moirallegiance
kuzetsa: ;;ud moirallegiance
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Moirail | Jul 6, 2011 ... Your soul mate in a non-romantic sense. You cannot live without this person; they complete you. They balance you. You would be lost forever ...
kuzetsa: crap
kuzetsa: wrong word
kuzetsa: I suck at fandom
kuzetsa: ;;ud kismesis
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Kismesis | A Kismesis is the term used to describe deep, deep hatred for someone. This is the person that you could, and will likely, hate for all your life, ...
kuzetsa: ^ so hot <3
DreadKnight: are you into stocks, kuzetsa ?
kuzetsa: DreadKnight: I'm more into TA and automating trades than the stocks themselves
DreadKnight: kuzetsa, well, at least they're in the same book; what are you plotting?
kuzetsa: speaking of which, I had been meaning to see if MPEX or any of the others have a decent API
asciilifeform: 'If you want a partial understanding of why 19-21 Saudi/Egyptian terrorists could live in America and enjoy our strip clubs but still want to crumble our architecture, there you go.'
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Duffer1: any of the others?
kuzetsa: odd, is http://polimedia.us/bitcoin/mpex.php not the right address anymore?
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DreadKnight: mpex.ws
assbot: MPEx (MPEx1) auf Twitter
decimation: ascii I've been that engineer at the party, and I totally get his point
asciilifeform: decimation: but you aren't there now.
kuzetsa: (that twitter still shows http://polimedia.us/bitcoin/mpex.php as being the relevant site)
assbot: Page not found pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
decimation: true. one must realize that having a great respect for facts does not exclude good ol' human fun
kuzetsa: hmm, is there no REST APIs on mpex?
benkay: <mircea_popescu> i guess this one must be for cazalla http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lnasqguj3m1qlne6uo1_500.jpg // nommm
benkay: kuzetsa: don't you start with what MPEx is missing. it's PERFECT - PERFECT I TELL YOU
decimation: famously the hijackers were staying at a motel in Laurel within sight of the NSA director's office
decimation: kuzetsa, I think you will find that the folks on this channel revile using HTTP for serving up anything other than static pages
kuzetsa: benkay: well my bot only works with REST APIs (json or otherwise) so ... I kinda need APIs to use it sanely --- https://github.com/kuzetsa/gekko/releases
assbot: Releases kuzetsa/gekko GitHub
kuzetsa: decimation: also, HTTP is not the only way of doing REST APIs
kuzetsa: anyway, later everyone -- was nice actually talking today (as opposed to mostly idling) --- I'll bbl or something (though probably not tonight)
DreadKnight: kuzetsa, cute that you have a github account :D
DreadKnight: kuzetsa, bye for now
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8184 @ 0.00079778 = 6.529 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: <kuzetsa> my problem is not knowing what's appropriate << generally, if it's offensive it's appropriate.
mircea_popescu: kuzetsa> speaking of which, I had been meaning to see if MPEX or any of the others have a decent API << ahhh all the history one does not know :D
mircea_popescu: <kuzetsa> (that twitter still shows http://polimedia.us/bitcoin/mpex.php as being the relevant site) << twitter is clueless
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benkay: oh and a side note mpex.co is hardcoded into asset descs mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: it's coming back dun sweat it.
kuzetsa facepalms
kuzetsa: I see, I see... now that I have nick highlighting set up on my client it actually highlights me and makes a flashing screen notification when people mention my nick
kuzetsa: mircea_popescu: thanks though, I never would've noticed that (delayed) reply if you hadn't included my nick in the message.
DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, hah, I like that bani-pentru-piariste article; If it was up to me I would have skipped college, but parents... *sigh*
kuzetsa: offensive is appropriate though... hmm
DreadKnight: I used to have a buddy who's an informatics teacher at a highschool; when I talked in english he usually found that rather offensive and snobbish
DreadKnight: basically he didn't knew english well enough but was afraid to admit it
decimation: what's 'informatics'? computer programming?
DreadKnight: I find it sad when I see people who want to make money from IT but they just don't focus on properly learning english first
kuzetsa: as per quote (generally, if it's offensive it's appropriate) ---> http://picpaste.com/pics/128231838279.1406431149.jpg
kuzetsa: just FYI, warning, that pic is likely meant as an attempt at offending straight men
DreadKnight: decimation, computer science; basically talking about components and crap; most of the time leaving students to spend time on the internet as they wish while he's getting paid anyway
kuzetsa: mircea_popescu: come to think of it, I think it was actually you who originally posted that in a bitcoin channel a couple years ago
DreadKnight: kuzetsa, we need a new plague
decimation: yeah it seems english has become the lingua franca of that kind of work
kuzetsa: DreadKnight: plague?
kuzetsa: who needs a plague... the creatures of earth? how big a plague? global pandemic? regional outbreak?
mircea_popescu: kuzetsa you have any idea how old school that is ?
mircea_popescu: exactly.
kuzetsa: I saw a game I've been meaning to try out which simulates biological attacks on the planet (earth, or some other... don't recall) or something
DreadKnight: decimation, ex-gf bugged me a lot to teach her web design / coding so that she can make a lot of money easily; she fails at english and she's not passionate or smart enough; and people around said I'm against finding a companion and rather set high standards xD
kuzetsa: mircea_popescu: how old school "that" is ... which "that" are you referring to?
DreadKnight: kuzetsa, "we need a new plague" is from "The office" show, it's basically a meme now, google it
kuzetsa: I've seen the office (both the UK and american variant)
DreadKnight: tried to watch UK one as well, simply stopped.
DreadKnight: don't want to see the exact same jokes by copy cat actors all over again
DreadKnight: and not always very fond of british accent and words
kuzetsa: ah found it --- http://youtu.be/pSat_gLDXPc (it's apparently called "plague, inc.")
assbot: Plague Inc: Evolved Official Launch Trailer - YouTube
DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, did you went to college yourself? it's a bit of a trend now apparently for people in IT set on becoming rich
DreadKnight: kuzetsa, meant google image search
DreadKnight: kuzetsa, guess it's the movie you mentioned
kuzetsa: DreadKnight: movie?
kuzetsa: what movie?
kuzetsa: [23:23:25] <+kuzetsa> I saw a game I've been meaning to try out which simulates biological attacks on the planet (earth, or some other... don't recall) or something
kuzetsa: "plague inc." is a game, not a movie
DreadKnight: yeah yeah
DreadKnight: seems interesting
kuzetsa: that's a trailer for the PC / console version, it was originally a smartphone/tablet app
DreadKnight: most smartphone/tablet games are jokes
kuzetsa: I got a lot of fun out of fruit ninja and angry birds before I was sick of them
DreadKnight: free-to-play applied horribly mostly, other times people trying to make a quick buck with minimum amount of work
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19550 @ 0.0008023 = 15.685 BTC [+] {3}
benkay: <DreadKnight> don't want to see the exact same jokes by copy cat actors all over again // ahaha wait wasn't the UK one first?
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