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BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: That was danielpbarron
danielpbarron: TheNewDeal, ya, I did
TheNewDeal: hahaha
BingoBoingo: I tend to treat people in Bitcoin T-shirts the same way drug dealers treat people wearing I <3 crack T-shirts
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19253 @ 0.00079395 = 15.2859 BTC [-]
Rassah: Potential customers?
Rassah: Or undercover cops
BingoBoingo: Well, dude and his friends obviously smelled of drugs
TheNewDeal: i would hope so
TheNewDeal: the skunky kind?
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: Smelled like the more solid, you're going to get addicted kind
BingoBoingo: !up Duffer1
BingoBoingo: I wonder if the 5-0 has an eu de meth the can spray on to be more convincing undercover
Duffer1: i'm so proud of my cable management
Duffer1: i'll post pics later
dub: BingoBoingo: not afaik, they go for the real deal
dub: got a buddy who was basically high 24/7 on the job
Rassah: dub: Lots of suiters working at Disney World are like that
BingoBoingo: !up HANDSofSTEEL
BingoBoingo: !up sqsqsqsqsq
BingoBoingo: Welcome HANDSofSTEEL and sqsqsqsqsq
HANDSofSTEEL: thanks for the warm welcome
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9000 @ 0.00079481 = 7.1533 BTC [+]
dub: suiters?
Rassah: I used to work at Disney World. People who wore suits often smoked weed, dropped acid, etc, because they could always blame the consequences on head exhaustion
Rassah: sorry, term is "fur suit," but I guess technicaly costumes
dub: Lawyers are teh biggest pottheads in my experience
Rassah: old habits die hard XD
dub: but we were talking about cops
Rassah: I thought lawyers did coke, no pot?
BingoBoingo: HANDSofSTEEL: Welcome here
dub: I've had pleny of jobs where weed was standard issue equipment
BingoBoingo: HANDSofSTEEL: What brings you to these parts?
HANDSofSTEEL: was reading up on ethereum actually is what brought me here
HANDSofSTEEL: wanted to see what the overall vibe was like but i see there are logs online to look at
kakobrekla: !s ethereum
kakobrekla: enjoy.
BingoBoingo: HANDSofSTEEL: Yeah, the log are here and as kakobrekla Has blessed you with, search
kakobrekla: i guess it would be fair to note that todays mentions are not parsed in search yet.
BingoBoingo: HANDSofSTEEL: If you really want to go long on ethereum, mircea_popescu wants to go short. I'd advise reading up on ethereum criticism before doing anything rash though.
assbot: A Guide To Buying 5000 Ether/Bitcoin, 2.5x More Than Ethereum’s Genesis Sale Offers | When Bitcoin Met Pete
HANDSofSTEEL: thats what brought me here
HANDSofSTEEL: nice find
dub: Rassah: sorry, yes, lawyers == anything goes
Duffer1: etherum isn't going to end well
HANDSofSTEEL: what i wonder is if it will start well
dub: I expect that it will, at least, not start well
Duffer1: start well for who is the question
HANDSofSTEEL: good point
HANDSofSTEEL: might be good to get on both sides
Duffer1: haven't they already received several thousand perfectly healthy btc?
HANDSofSTEEL: the less the better
sqsqsqsqsq: allegedly
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.13 = 0.65 BTC [-]
HANDSofSTEEL: well its catch 22, the more on initial, the worse the entry price is, but there is increased interest
HANDSofSTEEL: if for some reason they stop selling them now
HANDSofSTEEL: then popularity explodes after offering but before genesis
HANDSofSTEEL: then that will be a good start for early investors
sqsqsqsqsq: you like it, the pump and dump?
HANDSofSTEEL: i actually think the technology is awesome is what piques my interest
HANDSofSTEEL: but yes there are alterior motives
mircea_popescu: it's usually spelled "ulterior"
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
mircea_popescu: Duffer1 this s not nearly nsfw enough for here
asciilifeform: Duffer1: what is remarkable in these photos ?
Duffer1: the cable management!
Duffer1: pff haters :(
HANDSofSTEEL: thanks for the correction
cazalla: Duffer1, i know that feel, ocd cable management
Duffer1: ya feels good having it all sorted
BingoBoingo: HANDSofSTEEL: If you want to take both sides, BitBet is probably the best tool for that
cazalla: he'll be taking it in the ass, that's about it
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.132 = 0.66 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.133 = 0.665 BTC [+]
HANDSofSTEEL: bitbet is a cool site
mircea_popescu: copumpkin: damn! mpoe below .8 << im pretty sure it was her eb4
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform:
mircea_popescu: mircea_popescu: conventional munitions alarm << you mean, ears ringing? or smelled the unmistakeable smell of trotyl? or actual electric alarm? << no there;s an actual alarm.
mircea_popescu: tnt/trotyl/dynamite/etc have a very specific signatur
Rassah: By the way, does anyone have a better (lolsier) reason for why bitcoin will never work than "Bitcoin is deflationary, and will keep going up in price as people hoard it, until it becomes wortless?"
mircea_popescu: Rassah bitcoin will work.
Rassah: mircea_popescu: ??? I mean stupider than the claim I said
nubbins`: bitcoin is deflationary?
Rassah: That's the most entertainingly dumb thing I have heard. I wonder if anyone else has any others
mircea_popescu: derpflartionary amirite
Rassah: mircea_popescu: Wait, why are you telling me that bitcoin will work?..........
mircea_popescu: cuz you asked :D
dub: that aint cable management
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if your alarm picks up TATP, sell it to the americans, they'll cream their pants
mircea_popescu: btw, let the permanent rtecord reflect that i am less drunken than mthreat
mircea_popescu: i can type
mthreat: false
mthreat: ok gnite
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's shockwave based
mthreat: <mircea_popescu> rtecord <<
mircea_popescu: mthreat you gettting blown too ?
BingoBoingo: Huh, I'm only running a .21 according to this machine
Duffer1: dub it's as far as i was willing to go, not about to rebraid each wire lol
Rassah: mircea_popescu: It sounded like you doubted my faith in bitcoin. Frankly I am offended. The statement I made was lolzy and derpy beause it is essentially saying that bitcoin will become so valuable that it will be valueless, which is a logical contradiction, and yet I have heard that statement countless times over the years
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lulz all you want!
mircea_popescu: Rassah lol simmer.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: shockwave << what's the use if the charge is already set off and the crater smoking ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know they missed.
asciilifeform: 'q: what to do if a shell lands in your trench? a: jump twenty meters and scatter yourself around!' - ww1, british.
dub fails to quickly find pics of loomed 7*48 port fibre blades and gives up
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know making a hit is not as trivial as it sounds.
mircea_popescu: decimation: I thought it was always native << you were right, it was.
asciilifeform is familiar with history, where the briefcase is always behind one cement column too far, the mine is always three cars away, etc.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sad fact of life.
asciilifeform still didn't think this required electronics. if you're in range, ear/nose ought to work
asciilifeform: although i can think of one case
mircea_popescu: decimation: everyone knows that eastern europeans are going to cheat and steal the carp << i can attest, carp is huge in eeu
mircea_popescu: and in romanian, it's called crap
asciilifeform: (dr. evil plants mine on street xxx, you left xxx ahead of schedule, mine blows. locals admit nothing, say 'gas leak.' wave velocity sensor on your desk tells truth.)
dub: i've a perverse need to test newphones waterproofyness
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform generally such detectors are valuable to embarass.
asciilifeform: incidentally, for a few years now one can buy similar apparatus for triangulating small arms fire. you can actually see these permanently installed in certain u.s. cities.
mircea_popescu: decimation: web 2.0 is so poorly designed that this barely exists, instead of being a first class featue << muff said.
mircea_popescu: Rassah: I thought he was? Etherium is run by a large group of people, including finance guys << none of which in the wot ? catperson, puhlease.
Rassah: mircea_popescu: Most people I know are not in the wot. Sorry, but there is a whole separate "wot" out there that's not quite as... digital...
mircea_popescu: of people that will either fail or be raped or both.,
mircea_popescu: not in the wot = no good. period.
mircea_popescu: think of it as "not being in the communist party" in moscow cca 1952.
mircea_popescu: you ARE goign to siberia. on foot.
mircea_popescu: to dig ditches.
Rassah: like my great grandmother and many other relatives?
Rassah: The other "wot" is people who actually know each other in person, and can vouch for each other. It's WOT, witout a digital record
mircea_popescu: you're on the thin ice of presumption. what makes you think people on the wot don';t kn ow each other in person ?
Rassah: and it's just as reliable (see pirate@40) whereby some people can be nice and known and trusted, and turn out to be total douchebags
Rassah: There are a lot of people in wot that have never met in person
mircea_popescu: perhaps you'd be well served by reading the discussion on the topic. the wot dun work as you may imagine it do\es.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, time for me to get my toes suckled. tomorro.
Rassah: I'll go get my dick sucked instead. See ya!
dub: a number of 'trusted' fold in and out of the wot met pirate if you'll recall
fluffypony: Rassah: you are spot on, in a sense - the WoT is a digital representation of the real life business networks that are often found amongst the Freemasons, the Jews, or even among an old boy's club for a particular school
fluffypony: the difference is that it's completely all-encompasing and global in its reach
fluffypony: so its incomparable
Rassah: The people in my real life WoT are all-encompasng and global too
Rassah: Except I actually know them, who they are, what they do, what kind of a person they are, etc much more than a nick on an IRC chat
Rassah: Mainly because taking to someone on IRC does't give you nearly as much information as talking to them IRL, over beers, while watching their nonverbal cues and cmmunication
Rassah: *talking
cazalla: so much for that blow job?
fluffypony: hah hah
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14250 @ 0.00079416 = 11.3168 BTC [-] {2}
dub: wot provides more behavioural references
dub: more than
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7434 @ 0.00079481 = 5.9086 BTC [+]
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 210 Ask: 238 Last Price: 210 24h-Vol: 115k High: 239 Low: 210 VWAP: 222
danielpbarron: 02:28:52 <+Rassah> The people in my real life WoT .. << get them in the gribble WoT
fluffypony: ;;tslb
fluffypony: !tslb
gribble: Time since last block: 31 minutes and 53 seconds
fluffypony: every time I need a transfer to move quickly this happens
xmj: tell me about it
xmj: everytime i need something done quickly i'm blocked by bureaucracy.
benkay: <BingoBoingo> mike_c: Situation has been remedied. Key in question was not sold so much as held by each of us in trust of a higher powah. // this is the highest endorsement of the wot i've yet seen
benkay: strongest, sorry, i'm the high one
benkay: oscon is in town
benkay: nobody escapes the open drinquisition
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33960 @ 0.00079417 = 26.97 BTC [-] {2}
pankkake: /r/buttcoin can't deal with bitcoin opinions that are not the standard /r/bitcoin crap; they expect to fill their bingo cards and it doesn't work
pankkake: about the tslb: anyone tried greenaddress? I've only read the faq, but it seems pretty smart
pankkake: certainly better that an inputs.io style solution
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16727 @ 0.00079394 = 13.2802 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.13408332 = 1.609 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25790 @ 0.0007936 = 20.4669 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27550 @ 0.0007928 = 21.8416 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35440 @ 0.00080041 = 28.3665 BTC [+]
assbot: Bitcoin Student Results of a 3,000+ person Bitcoin survey
jurov: honestly i don't think adding 100 of us would skew the results much
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ROCK] 2000 @ 0.00084995 = 1.6999 BTC [-]
assbot: trixisowned comments on mtgox creditor meeting handout
jurov: !up Poffertje
jurov: !up windjc
jurov: !up trixisowned
jurov: !up punkman
assbot: Bitcoin Balance of bitcoin address: 36PrZ1KHYMpqSyAQXSG8VwbUiq2EogxLo2
trixisowned: daily lol
jurov: what is it?
trixisowned: etherium proof of burn
trixisowned: lol proof of burn
trixisowned: thats what im calling it at this point
assbot: An exclusive peek into the world's biggest Bitcoin exchange - YouTube
jurov: ;;rate trixisowned 1 b-a voice. and luke said he's a troll.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user trixisowned has been recorded.
trixisowned: luke is a dumbass
jurov: ;D
trixisowned: i just wanted him to please point out what his share algorithm does on eligius
trixisowned: and he was like
jurov: he got you a voice here :D
trixisowned: "oh i havent even looked at the code for CBBSRB"
trixisowned: "I dont even know what that does"
jurov: and you looked into it?
jurov: found any phun?
pankkake: ;;rate trixisowned 1 troll
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user trixisowned has been recorded.
trixisowned: jurov CBBSRB was created to hide Luke-Jr and his crew taking from each block found by their pool
fluffypony: who here gets the Bitcoin BullBear report?
trixisowned: CBBSRB just made it so the blocks looked like they were paying out full blocks on each block payout
trixisowned: when in reality they just added their address to the list of miners, and take a percentage of each block as if they were actually hashing
trixisowned: its why you see odd payouts on eligius
trixisowned: that dont match other pools
trixisowned: when you have 5TH+
ThickAsThieves: <+Rassah> Also, as is most important in any crptocurrency (even moreso than its "features") Etherium has a team of good developers with a specific goals, who want to work to develop it no matter the price. /// til they get bored
fluffypony: oh I missed all of that
fluffypony: he's punting Etherium?
ThickAsThieves: <+BingoBoingo> My current beef with Etherium is that despite all of their protests they are selling equity in a something. /// worse, they are selling a painting of a duck to dogs, they don't yet realize it can't fly or quack, but it at least fills their bellies
ThickAsThieves: <+Rassah> In summary, they had an idea they thought was awesome, they wanted to spend a year working on this awesome idea of theirs, without having to worry about jobs or income, so they marketed their idea to bitcoiners who like dumping money into altcoins... Sounds like they weren't dumb at all about this :) //// So, they are about equal to every other altcoin with dream, where's
ThickAsThieves: the smarts?
ThickAsThieves: <+Rassah> decimation: ... you could think of ether is jet fuel needed to run it. /// gtfo
fluffypony: I'm sure I heard someone say that Etherium is "blockchain 3.0 technology" the other day, I wanted to stab them in the face
ThickAsThieves: <+BingoBoingo> HANDSofSTEEL: If you want to take both sides, BitBet is probably the best tool for that --- good point, need ETH BitBet, that's how we can all short the mofo
pankkake: the issue is that there's no exchange yet, obviously
pankkake: so how can you spec the bet?
ThickAsThieves: <+dub> i've a perverse need to test newphones waterproofyness /// maybe you should go to running of the bulls
assbot: Bitcoin Balance of bitcoin address: 36PrZ1KHYMpqSyAQXSG8VwbUiq2EogxLo2
dub: no thx
ThickAsThieves: <+fluffypony> who here gets the Bitcoin BullBear report? /// is it good?
assbot: |_
trixisowned: wrong chat lol
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: yeah not bad, some of it is above my pay grade and I don't quite grok the nuances, but it's still interesting
fluffypony: this week they stopped their LTC analysis entirely (they will do ocassional bits of LTC analysis if necessary)
dub: a friend broke his femure in pamplona (not running the bulls, trying to scale balconies the night before), hospitals there are scary
fluffypony: and instead did an analysis of XMR on the back of yesterday's Poloniex announcement
ThickAsThieves: trixisowned fire currency?
ThickAsThieves: announcement?
assbot: Michael Lenahan, Laurence Lenahan | Zaki's Blog
ThickAsThieves: ass to ass!
assbot: Poloniex Welcomes New Monero (XMR) Markets
ThickAsThieves: oic pumping like champs
ThickAsThieves: a new plane is missing
assbot: Air Algerie plane with 116 on board falls off radar - CNN.com
assbot: China's central bank hacked - Dec. 19, 2013
ThickAsThieves: "Yesterday, we had to stop accepting deposits into the exchange, because our payment processor had essentially cut us off from new deposits," BTC China CEO Bobby Lee told CNN.
ThickAsThieves: ddos is a hack now
ThickAsThieves: (old news)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12826 @ 0.00080241 = 10.2917 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: cheapcoinz!
ThickAsThieves: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 605.0, Best ask: 605.56, Bid-ask spread: 0.56000, Last trade: 605.0, 24 hour volume: 6633.77534253, 24 hour low: 603.45, 24 hour high: 623.0, 24 hour vwap: 616.38692407
Pierre_Rochard: ThickAsThieves: huh. Not seeing any news
fluffypony: Pierre_Rochard: the market rarely shifts on the back of news
fluffypony: it's driven by supply and demand and other market forces (which can include news or market manipulation)
Pierre_Rochard: fluffypony: agreed, I look for news because that can hint at the amplitude of the shift
fluffypony: maybe people are pissed that Draper didn't reveal the USMS auction price on the Colbert Report yesterday
ThickAsThieves: news is usually just an excuse for market to do what wanted to anyway
ThickAsThieves: i charted this fall like a champ
BigBitz: news is secondary.
BigBitz: Bitcoin markets don't revolve around news.
BigBitz: They don't care.
BigBitz: It could be something amazing and wonderful like US Scrap USD for BTC and it would tank.
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
BigBitz: Then the next day it would be China bans Bitcoin (again) and it would rallllleeeeyyyythefuckmoade.
Pierre_Rochard: BigBitz: Ok, in the future I will qualify it as “huh. Not seeing any news that could be having a secondary effect because while the price doesn’t revolve around the news, this could be one of the rare news-driven price shifts”. That way there won’t be any confusion.
dub: ThickAsThieves: I thought you called a break up
ThickAsThieves: after this fall, yes
BigBitz: where do we go TAT?
BigBitz: $500? $440?
assbot: BTCUSD Update (Bitstamp) Preparing for $700?
ThickAsThieves: i have a newer chart ill share in a sec
ThickAsThieves: made afte rthat one
BigBitz: You have 634 for today :(
ThickAsThieves: you dont trade by the date
ThickAsThieves: you trade by the price
BigBitz: I making poking fun :P
BigBitz: errr... I was poking fun.
dub: did you fuck that chart up?
ThickAsThieves: use the imgur one
ThickAsThieves: it's much better
ThickAsThieves: of course i could still be wrong
ThickAsThieves: could fall to 560
dub: less cropping would be useful
ThickAsThieves: dub here's the full interactive one then https://www.tradingview.com/e/6HNfLOlQ/
assbot: BTCUSD: BTCUSD Bitstamp longterm - TradingView
ThickAsThieves: it's a bull pennant with a fractal inside
ThickAsThieves: white line / black line
bitcoinpete: * BingoBoingo has never actually been to an airport << huh… ain't that the darndest thing
bitcoinpete: Spoondoolies Halts Sales of SP30, Investigating Technical Issues << that might explain the mysterious 30k TH that suddenly came and went
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24200 @ 0.00080113 = 19.3873 BTC [-]
bitcoinpete: Rassah: I wonder if Bitcoin Pete has met an inteligent person in his life << if i had, would that make ethereum suck less?
kakobrekla: ;;bc,convert eur
gribble: 1 BTC = 594.99 USD = 441.839574 eur
kakobrekla: is this dogecoin quote ?
bitcoinpete: BingoBoingo: Well, pete's a jew and there are a lot of smart members of the tribe << einstein, maimonides, spinoza, natalie portman, etc.
bitcoinpete: kakobrekla: too many decimals?
kakobrekla: soon, there will only be decimals!
bitcoinpete: Rassah: There aren't a lot of smart people in bitcoinland... I have a feeling Bitcoin Pete isn't one either, but is regurgitating things other smart people are saying in his blogs. A beneficial service I guess << hooray for stupid yet useful jooz!
bitcoinpete: kakobrekla: then we'll be kings!
bitcoinpete: BingoBoingo: Well, if pete isn't smart then he's been incredibly lucky. << and crafty! but smart and lucky need not be mutually exclusive.
pankkake: natalie portman is a jew? I always knew something was off with her
cazalla: c'mon, it's hollywood afterall
pankkake: BingoBoingo, fear of flying? :p
bitcoinpete: pankkake: natalie, scarlett johansson, mila kunis, elizabeth banks (convert), isla fisher (convert), gwenyth paltrow, and neve campbell
bitcoinpete: so my research tells me
fluffypony: your fro-search, you mean
pankkake: wait, hollywood converts actresses to jews?!
fluffypony: it's like a Jew-dar on your head
bitcoinpete: well… ya
pankkake: funny how I don't like any of those
pankkake: maybe I'm an antisemite after all!
pankkake: my jewdar is broken, despite being French
cazalla: you may as well write a list of who isn't jewish, it'll be shorter
bitcoinpete: pankkake: but you're pro-croissant!
pankkake: eheh
pigeons: natilie portman is smart?
bitcoinpete: ;;google natalie portman
gribble: Natalie Portman . com | The #1 fansite for Natalie Portman: <http://www.natalieportman.com/>; Natalie Portman - IMDb: <http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000204/>; Natalie Portman - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natalie_Portman>
bitcoinpete: went to harvard iirc
bitcoinpete: which makes her more soviet, i suppose
bitcoinpete: Rassah: That statement of his tells me he either has never met Vitalik in person, or doesn't know what an inteligent person is like << met the dude briefly at toronto expo. so what?
bitcoinpete: vitalik's actions say it all
bitcoinpete: kid's being played like a flute by a bunch of dopey tards
cazalla: he's related to marc andresen right?
pankkake: why would all scammers be dumb?
cazalla: on account of their heads and shit
bitcoinpete: his intentions seem innocent enough and i'm sure he's "having fun" but ethereum is still a fucking joke
bitcoinpete: cazalla: same barber
fluffypony: but...but...isn't it Blockchain 3.0 technology?
fluffypony: meanwhile we haven't even gotten to 1.0 yet
pigeons: vitalik sells lots of snake oil besides etherum: emulated quantum computer that runs faster than its von neuman host; proof of stake; "trustless" distributed fiat (schellingcoin);
bitcoinpete: BingoBoingo: Pascal had an application... Busses have an application... Pretty sure Doge had an application even if it wasn't a pretty one << i like this
pigeons: those are all cool ideas, but pretending they actually work and can be used is pretty much deceptive
pankkake: well yes, he wants to have fun at others expense
kakobrekla: church going people.
ThickAsThieves: guys I have this problem that only a smart contract can solve!
ThickAsThieves: no one said ever
bitcoinpete: fluffypony: show those derps a 5000 BTC bounty for making 1.0 work and then we might be talking
pigeons: now you have 2 problems
bitcoinpete: pigeons: fucking 21 yo kid thinks he can invent rounder wheel
bitcoinpete: ;;rated BingoBoingo
gribble: You rated user BingoBoingo on Thu May 22 17:57:19 2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: spinozan, blogger.
pigeons: maybe he can, but build it before you sell it to me
bitcoinpete: well my blog post on the matter was fairly widely read.
bitcoinpete: at least enough to get a phone call from ethereum fearless leader anthony di iorio
bitcoinpete: he left a stern voicemail
fluffypony: hah ha
fluffypony: saying what?
bitcoinpete: when he remembers where his pgp keys went, i'll talk to him
pankkake: what the fuck?
bitcoinpete: fluffypony: saying "hi peter. this is anthony di iorio. i was just looking at that blog post. call me back."
pankkake: who do those people think they are
pigeons: wow really they are already trying to damage control the 1% of the press they get that isn't positive? and from a bitcoinpete (no offense lol) blog post?
bitcoinpete: fluffypony: brusque for sure
bitcoinpete: pigeons: MOAR POSEETEEV NOOZ!
bitcoinpete: pankkake: i've met anthony irl twice and we've talked on the phone before. but it's been... quite a while
bitcoinpete: he sold me some coins otc too
bitcoinpete: bout a year ago iirc
bitcoinpete: still. pgp or gtfo
bitcoinpete: or hell, irc
bitcoinpete: Rassah: I'm starting to suspect the things they talk about in private do not match the spin they put out in public... << trust that gut
pankkake: yeah he's not on #bitcoin-conspiracy
ThickAsThieves: aww ethereum didnt call me tho
ThickAsThieves: so jelly
bitcoinpete: ThickAsThieves: where's your super scandalous blog post?
bitcoinpete: that's what i thought ;)
bitcoinpete: BingoBoingo: I tend to treat people in Bitcoin T-shirts the same way drug dealers treat people wearing I <3 crack T-shirts << lol !
ThickAsThieves: i just leave supertrolly comments on their PR instead
mike_c: i like how therealaltcoin.org has a shopping cart button in the header :)
mike_c: you should link it to x-bt
bitcoinpete: fluffypony: maybe people are pissed that Draper didn't reveal the USMS auction price on the Colbert Report yesterday << this theory should have its own blog post. maybe tie it into the baltic bitcoin conference one?
fluffypony: speaking of which
fluffypony: I've now managed to successfully choose the photos I want for the blog post
fluffypony: unfortunately I have to finalise this tender by CoB tomorrow, and there's stuff that needs changing
fluffypony: so maybe over the w/e
bitcoinpete: so you're saying there's a chance!
bitcoinpete: https://bitcoin23.crowdtilt.com/bitcoin23-nascar << donate $25k cuz bitcoiners have dogederp fomo
assbot: Bitcoin23
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23372 @ 0.00080444 = 18.8014 BTC [+] {2}
mike_c: duffer1 must have spent time in a datacenter. that cable routing is tight.
assbot: Database Error
bitcoinpete: how "full"
kakobrekla: funny, atc having most txes per block.
mike_c: Rassah:Mainly because taking to someone on IRC does't give you nearly as much information as talking to them IRL, over beers, while watching their nonverbal cues and cmmunication << uh, does this guy know hom scamming works?
fluffypony: hah hah
mike_c: i mean, those are exactly the tools at the disposal of the scammer. misleading cues and communication.
fluffypony: becase confidence tricksters don't exist, and even if they did they'd never know which non-verbal cues they should be giving off
kakobrekla: <kakobrekla> funny, atc having most txes per block. < guess mike_c is to blame
bitcoinpete: kakobrekla: wow. the wotcoin dominateth.
mike_c: kakobrekla: i'll add quark support in winter 2014/2024
ThickAsThieves: <+mike_c> you should link it to x-bt /// i had to hack teh phpz, but it's done!
mike_c: ThickAsThieves: lol. nice
bitcoinpete: mike_c: if you weren't in the wot, i'd swear your quark support was a scam
mike_c: it's coming, i swear. you can pay me for it now.
bitcoinpete: please to provide address
ThickAsThieves: mike_c is selling out for the community
bitcoinpete: i only trust mike_c if address starts with teh 3
ThickAsThieves: ethreemeum
mike_c: i am trying to figure that out right now.. i thought that was version number and we were still on 1.
bitcoinpete: i only invest in teh future
bitcoinpete: >3 investing policy nao in effect
bitcoinpete: heya Pierre_Rochard
mike_c: fuck me, that ehremum address is version 5! such futuristic
chetty: mike_c: Rassah:Mainly because taking to someone on IRC does't give you nearly as much information as talking to them IRL, over beers, while watching their nonverbal cues and cmmunication << uh, does this guy know hom scamming works?//meeting pirate in person helped so many people figure that one out
mike_c: i know, right? confidence men don't gain your confidence by not having a beer with you.
ThickAsThieves: #b-a - We Know How Scamming Works
ThickAsThieves: no no thats not right
bitcoinpete: #b-a - We Know One When We See One
thestringpuller: "game recognize game and you lookin' kinda unfamiliar" translated: "we know one when we see one and you look like a scammer"
mike_c: i'm probably the only idiot in here, but in case there is one other: "3 indicates a "pay-to-script-hash" address that contains a hash (one way fingerprint) of a script that can be used for multiple things including address obfuscation and multi-signature requirements."
nubbins`: i was talking to another local screenprinter last night
nubbins`: he did a series of prints last year depicting a map of the city cut up into different neighbourhoods, with the name of each written on top (it's a thing people do)
nubbins`: he says he's made enough money off those prints so far that he was able to buy a new car :0
bitcoinpete: nubbins`: did you tell him he shoulda bought $10k of bitcoin instead?
nubbins`: i think if he'd done that he'd be less happy now
bitcoinpete: heh his loss
nubbins`: ;;calc 10000/1000
nubbins`: ;;calc 10*[ticker --last]
gribble: 6048.8
nubbins`: not his loss, precisely
bitcoinpete: it's a long game
bitcoinpete: and i'd be shocked if his car kept more value in that year
ThickAsThieves: how would he drive around in his bitcoins tho?>
bitcoinpete: let's say he made $20k off the prints
bitcoinpete: $10k for new car, $10k for bitcoins
bitcoinpete: $20k car is worth $15k the next year
ThickAsThieves: maybe his lifestyle require nicer car
ThickAsThieves: requires
thestringpuller: nubbins`: need more litho-printers these days
chetty: <bitcoinpete> $20k car is worth $15k the next year// and all the maintence costs and insurance and and
bitcoinpete: ThickAsThieves: what is this "requires" business?
ThickAsThieves: he's his own man
ThickAsThieves: and what he requires he decides
thestringpuller: chetty: unless that car is a Tesla :P
ThickAsThieves: i mean, somewhere in all this bitcoining you buy stuff, and some of that stuff aint cheap as possible
bitcoinpete: mebbe he's also married and doesn'
bitcoinpete: doesn't own his own cock
ThickAsThieves: maybe he has two cocks
chetty: choices are so much fun
bitcoinpete: ThickAsThieves: but dude doesn't have any bitcoin afaik
bitcoinpete: not the same choice as you and i have
ThickAsThieves: we have a real case
ThickAsThieves: he mad ethe money when bitcoin was a certain price
ThickAsThieves: you cant ignore that
nubbins`: he made the money when btc was > $1k
nubbins`: now, to be fair, he's still making money
nubbins`: i think he said he's pulled in $13k so far, hoping for $20k by the new year
nubbins`: which TBH kinda floored me
ThickAsThieves: so you might say, ok bro you got the car, maybe now get some btc
ThickAsThieves: but maybe btc goes to 250
nubbins`: what i really want him to spend his money on is stuff i can sell him ;p
bitcoinpete: or borrow the money to buy the car and use the cash to buy btc
ThickAsThieves: either way i'm done worrying about random canadian stranger!
assbot: GigPosters.com - Jud Haynes
nubbins`: there's some of his work
bitcoinpete: lol ya i'm just being difficult
kakobrekla: its easy to speak for the past.
nubbins`: talented guy
nubbins`: we printed that "hey rosetta" one in the second row
xmj: fluffypony: did i post you my business plan and pricing scheme?
fluffypony: for the Cloud of Trust?
xmj: nah
xmj: that one is just lulz
fluffypony: *clicks*
fluffypony: xmj: that's decent - I'd pay that
xmj: validation is good
xmj: i figured it'd be a sign of (costly) honesty to put the margin % there too.
xmj: you know... signalling. in order to fly my guys to conferences i need to make decent cash.
fluffypony: yeah look, if I paid a competent sysadmin freelancer that'll cost me $50/hour, and I can guarantee they'll over-engineer things despite my asking for something simple
fluffypony: and end up taking 3 weeks to do a 1 day job
Pierre_Rochard: hey bitcoinpete
bitcoinpete: how's life at bitpay Pierre_Rochard ?
Pierre_Rochard: bitcoinpete: or borrow the money to buy the car and use the cash to buy btc << I like this form of indirect leverage. Who else would finance bitcoins < 5% APR (0% if you get a good deal)?
Pierre_Rochard: Very nice
bitcoinpete: glad to hear it!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 21 @ 0.13517667 = 2.8387 BTC [-] {2}
xmj: fluffypony: we're at about 75$/h
xmj: and yes overengineering. config management all through.
xmj: it's just that.. we're faster.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.13261 = 1.0609 BTC [-] {2}
xmj: i've noticed there is no difference in setting up a server from scratch either a) manually or b) with salt. b) is reproducible, documented and reusable.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.1324875 = 1.5899 BTC [-] {3}
xmj: fluffypony: ^
xmj: well, i did want to point at the log before, but the greek flag is good too
fluffypony: xmj yeah - I don't have a problem with an over-engineered template that gets reused by someone competent
xmj: relevant.
xmj: fluffypony: if you hear from anyone that they need such, let me know please :)
kakobrekla: <Pierre_Rochard> bitcoinpete: or borrow the money to buy the car and use the cash to buy btc << I like this form of indirect leverage. Who else would finance bitcoins < 5% APR (0% if you get a good deal)? < as i was saying, if you are in position where you need to borrow to gamble/invest in btc, you should not do it.
Pierre_Rochard: kakobrekla: so everyone should pay off their mortgage / student loans / credit cards / car loans before buying bitcoins? Seems a little extreme and just poor balance sheet management imho
kakobrekla: put in what you can not what you cant.
nubbins` groans
nubbins`: paying off debts before putting money into high-risk investment: "a little extreme"
xmj: paying off debt is always the best option.
xmj: if you have them.
nubbins`: pierre rochard buying up bitcoins w/ mortgage, car loan, student loans hanging over head
nubbins` groans louder
xmj: one exception is if you can do arbitrage gains -- loan against something and lend against someone with equivalent risk and still gain money.
xmj chuckles.
nubbins`: i suppose at the very least, bankruptcy would absolve you of your car loan and mortgage
nubbins`: (and your car and house)
mike_c: of course, you need credit default swaps for that arbitrage. and insurance on your credit default swap counterparty.
xmj: no why would you?
xmj: you don't need cds if they're of equivalent risk.
mike_c: "with equivalent risk"
xmj: that's speculation.
xmj: not arbitrage.
xmj: if they're of equivalent risk and differently priced that's due to market frictions.
mike_c: mhm. explain this magical scenario where you avoid counterparty risk.
xmj: you don't want to avoid it
xmj: you're a counterparty risk to the bank and someone else is a counterparty risk to you
xmj: the risks are equivalent
bitcoinpete: "Mr. Schneiderman, the state’s top law enforcer, contended that Barclays favored high-frequency traders over other investors in its dark pool, known as Barclays LX. He contended Barclays falsified marketing materials, inaccurately portraying the concentration of high-frequency traders in the market, and he said the bank misrepresented a service that purported to protect investors from predatory trading behavior."
mike_c: the risks aren't equivalent to *you*.
xmj: well
xmj: yes.
bitcoinpete: "On Thursday, Mark J. Mazur, the Treasury Department’s assistant secretary for tax policy, made the case that any new laws targeting inversions – transactions that allow American companies to reincorporate abroad – should be backdated to May 2014, potentially affecting a number of multibillion-dollar deals."
nubbins`: ;;bc,xau
gribble: 1 XAU = 1291.700000000000 USD = 2.15606743449 BTC
nubbins`: ;;bc,xag
gribble: 1 XAG = 20.680000000000 USD = 0.0345184443332 BTC
nubbins`: 30-day low for gld/slv
bitcoinpete: i'm out. ciao!
ThickAsThieves: "Just a USMS auction price discovery update: I contacted the USDOJ Office of General Counsel regarding my FOIA request submitted back on the 6th of July... and they stated I should see information in early August. They also stated they had a flood of requests for information on that auction."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.81503056 BTC to 12`514 shares, 14504 satoshi per share
Pierre_Rochard: nubbins`: i suppose at the very least, bankruptcy would absolve you of your car loan and mortgage // is the assumption here that bitcoin price going to zero would make the borrower go bankrupt? Because that would be poor balance sheet management too.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 24.16124788 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 2101 satoshi per share
nubbins`: the assumption that blowing your savings on a speculative investment when you have large pre-existing financial committments isn't a good idea
ThickAsThieves: it's at least risky
Pierre_Rochard: nubbins`: meh, very simplistic layperson’s view there. DSCR > 2 and LTV < 50% is prudent
ThickAsThieves: "good" seems to imply emotion or moral or somesuch
nubbins`: isn't a wise idea ;D
nubbins`: Pierre_Rochard sounds like you've got it all figured out
Pierre_Rochard: nubbins`: a 0% LTV is not a wise idea, nor is never taking an airplane to minimize risk of death
ThickAsThieves: not the best comparison
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1604 @ 0.00295969 = 4.7473 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.13232701 = 2.6465 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 33 @ 0.13230971 = 4.3662 BTC [-] {2}
mike_c: !up samO
mike_c: !up fats_cd03
fats_cd03: sankq
mike_c: like the new nick :)
assbot: Micromort - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
asciilifeform: !s micromort
fats_cd03: as long as you evaluate risk properly, everything's gravy.
fats_cd03: cool, i have the first mention
punkman: asciilifeform: finally read anathem, wasn't such a backbreaker. maybe the big scrolling html made it go down easier than having to turn 900 pages by hand
mircea_popescu: punkman this is a fact.
asciilifeform: punkman: that's more or less the only fictional world i'd not mind moving to.
assbot: Cartesiam Meditations : Free Download & Streaming : Internet Archive
fats_cd03: anyone know where i can find a pdf of the 67-77 BRK letters?
fats_cd03: a cursory search didn't reveal anything
punkman: Stephenson says Husserl's writings are the hardest stuff he's read
assbot: Berkshire Hathaway Letters to Shareholders, 2012: Warren Buffett, Max Olson: 9781595910776: Amazon.com: Books
mircea_popescu: it's html
ThickAsThieves: Dell offering 10% off with bitcoin
mircea_popescu: ;;ud ofn
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=OFN | 2. ofn. OFN means, "Old Fucking News" meaning, GET WITH THE FUCKING TIMES! "Hhahaha, did you see t his totally l33t flash?" "OFN Loser by like a year.".
ThickAsThieves: alienware only
fats_cd03: alienware sells painted pigs if i've ever seen one
ThickAsThieves: never owned one but they sure are ugly
ThickAsThieves: bitcoinpete.com down
assbot: Down For Everyone Or Just Me -> Check if your website is down or up?
fluffypony: "It's just you. http://bitcoinpete.com is up."
ThickAsThieves: just hangs for me
ThickAsThieves: loads title tho
ThickAsThieves: needs more power!
ThickAsThieves: It's not just you! http://bitcoinpete.com looks down from here.
mircea_popescu: canada ran out of webhosting gerbils ?
ThickAsThieves: fluffyscammer
fats_cd03: robbed
assbot: Pharrell Williams - Come Get It Bae - YouTube
ThickAsThieves: !s coinsetter
assbot: NYC Bitcoin Exchange Coinsetter Launches Out of Beta WithInstitutional and Consumer Trading - MarketWatch
ThickAsThieves: "President Barack Obama plans to go on the offensive later Thursday against companies that use cross-border mergers to avoid U.S. taxes, accusing them of essentially renouncing their American citizenship to shield profits. "
ThickAsThieves: funny how that works
mike_c: ;;isitdown bitcoinpete.com
gribble: bitcoinpete.com is down
fats_cd03: huhuhu
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: it reported as up when I visited it, hate the game not the player
fluffypony: </so_80s>
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves "we made the country suck how dare you leave now" is how it works
fluffypony: don't worry guys
fluffypony: Amir has this
assbot: Circle has still not responded to Peter Todd about whether they are implementing censorship or surveillance technology : Bitcoin
mircea_popescu: what's circle again ?
mircea_popescu: o wait, one of the shits im selling short and nobody's buying
mircea_popescu: much like eth.
pankkake: why would anyone reply to peter todd?
fluffypony: "It's a shame because you make great points, but you express them in a manner that is all over the place bordering on incoherent. Not to mention, you unintentionally come off as a bully calling people fascists, etc, and criticizing people in such vitriolic ways just because their views don't match your own perfectly. To be honest, I agree with you, but I can't imagine you're doing anything but preaching to your own choir by expressing your
fluffypony: ideas in this manner. Try to just present the facts without all of the colorful nonsense."
fluffypony: great reply
mircea_popescu: pankkake i kinda like todd. or used to anyway
mircea_popescu: fluffypony sounds to me like someone just got told "you can't be mp, stop trying"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20484 @ 0.00081804 = 16.7567 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: !up Mantrid
ThickAsThieves: “I promise you even before this speech is over I’ll be attacked as a hater or a bigot or someone who is anti-gay,” Rubio said. “This intolerance in the name of tolerance is hypocrisy. Support for the definition of marriage as one man and one woman is not anti-gay, it is pro-traditional marriage.”
chetty: ThickAsThieves, being 'pro' anything is so last century
mircea_popescu: why;s the guy promise me shit other people'd do.
ThickAsThieves: because he paid to have people attack him beforehand
ThickAsThieves: do you even marketeer?
mircea_popescu: lmao that meta ?!
ThickAsThieves: it's stripper locker room
hanbot: dub looks for the unsee button / pigeons: yeah like i shouldnt already know better than to click one of mircea_popescu's links << "omg ew this is totally different than all the things going into other things i've seen today!"
assbot: Woman in Labor Unable to Cross Street to Hospital Because of Obama Motorcade | NBC Southern California
mike_c: tmq often rants about gov't officials at even much lower levels with their ridiculous tax-payer funded security details fouling up things for everyone else with their special traffic treatment.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12785 @ 0.00081907 = 10.4718 BTC [+] {2}
chetty: well you just can't let kids see the emperors new clothes
mircea_popescu: i don't get this whole "security detail" bullshit for politicians and bureaucrats.
mircea_popescu: if anyone can be bothered to shoot them, they should be able to
mircea_popescu: not like there's any sort of talent pool involved, or like they'd ever run out.
mircea_popescu: "omg ew this is totally different than all the things going into other things i've seen today!" << lol
mircea_popescu: i dun get it.
mod6: is the domain mpex.co finished? I've updated the key in my script, just wondering if I should s/mpex.co/mpex.bz|mpex.ws/
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
mircea_popescu: mod6 ideally you should seed from proxybot. if not you can hardwire whichever active domain you like.
mircea_popescu: .co will be coming online later too
mod6: oh, ok. in that case, I'll probably just leave it as is. unless its like, weeks or something.
mod6: thakns mircea_popescu
mod6: & mike_c
gribble: Error: "mike_c" is not a valid command.
mike_c: what is proxybot?
mircea_popescu: $proxies
empyex: mircea_popescu: Proxies: mpex.ws mpex.bz mpex.coinbr.com MPEx-Status: 1158 milliseconds Current MPEx GPG-Key-ID: 02DD2D91
mod6: ok :]
jurov: mircea_popescu when will be the the other DERPs offered?
jurov: or you wait for someone to bid?
mircea_popescu: jurov soon (tm). but meanwhile anyone can bid, sure.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 414 @ 0.00289024 = 1.1966 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: ;;seen moiety
gribble: moiety was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 10 hours, 15 minutes, and 30 seconds ago: <moiety> hi naphex, wb, hope you had a great holiday :]
mircea_popescu: ;;isitdown szabo.best.vwh.net
gribble: szabo.best.vwh.net is down
adrrr_: mircea_popescu: why do you talk in the third person?
mircea_popescu: adrrr_ specifically ?
adrrr_: in general
mircea_popescu: but like where
adrrr_: like here
mircea_popescu: how do i talk in the 3rd person ?
adrrr_: How do you do? lol I don't know
adrrr_: just why
mircea_popescu: this is going well. can you point to such an instance ?
mike_c: mike_c thinks you aren't making any sense.
adrrr_: no. you have examples
mircea_popescu: i bet you a third are mIne.
mike_c: ;;ident adrrr_
gribble: CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'adrrr_', with hostmask 'adrrr_!~adrrr@ip-132.net-81-220-142.rev.numericable.fr', is identified as user 'adrrr', with GPG key id DDE46066D54B5198, key fingerprint 0F56A8FD02C59E657AB3C3DDDDE46066D54B5198, and bitcoin address None
adrrr_: you divert the issue
mike_c: another confused frenchman.
chetty like this adrrr_
adrrr_: lol just askin
mircea_popescu: I divert the issue ? what issue!
adrrr_: the query sorry
adrrr_: you don't answer to
mircea_popescu: well cause it ain't making any sense. why do you chew the scenery ?
jurov doesn't always talk in 3rd person. but when he does, he uses /me
chetty yeah jurov
mircea_popescu 's not been doing that recently.
mike_c: adrrr_: you are bringing up a sore subject. we try not to discuss his tendency to talk in 3rd person.
adrrr_: just wanted to know
adrrr_: ok
mircea_popescu: ;;google seinfeld "but i don't wanna be a pirate"
gribble: "Seinfeld" The Puffy Shirt (TV Episode 1993) - IMDb: <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0697762/>; Seinfeld Scripts - The Puffy Shirt: <http://www.seinfeldscripts.com/ThePuffyShirt.htm>; I don't wanna be a pirate - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjFjD11zOCM>
benkay: decimation: http-kit and enlive are what i use
benkay: <BingoBoingo> HANDSofSTEEL: If you really want to go long on ethereum, mircea_popescu wants to go short. I'd advise reading up on ethereum criticism before doing anything rash though. // it's magically also a bet that nothing'll be around in 9/12 mos.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 15 @ 0.13499999 = 2.025 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 213 @ 0.0029 = 0.6177 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 787 @ 0.0029 = 2.2823 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: !up mutate_
mutate_: Thank you.
mutate_: I'm fairly keen on being in the queue for one of the first alien blowjobs, before the novelty wears off and they start marrying humans and making them unhappy. Unfortunately I can't by any magic Ether cards because maths and computers got you fairly badly bullied at school and so I simply use a computer to have my bank details stolen from and know nothing whatsoever about Linux. What can I do?
fluffypony: mutate_: easy, just get yourself taken up for some probing
mircea_popescu: mutate_ well, you could start working on crumbling that pile of impactions resulting from being bulied ? learn to linux ?
mircea_popescu: it's not nearly as hard as it seems.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell midnightmagic i dun see a problem in principle either, but i was trying to examine this "salt is hard to mine" theory. anyway.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
jurov: what makes you think aliens will be good at bjs?
jurov: !up darlidada
mircea_popescu: jurov all those teeth man.
jurov: i guess someone preannounced they will sell for btc
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8302 @ 0.00081605 = 6.7748 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: “UNDER capitalism”, ran the old Soviet-era joke, “man exploits man. Under communism it is just the opposite.” In fact new research suggests that the Soviet system inspired not just sarcasm but cheating too: in East Germany, at least, communism appears to have inculcated moral laxity. << for the record, this is older than electricity.
mircea_popescu: "bolshevism is that jew-sponsored form of satanism that alters the moral fiber of good law abiding men making them beasts"
mircea_popescu: there's a whole discussion of the statement of these views as put forward by franco's republic a week or two ago in the logs.
mircea_popescu: Rassah: My tribe consists of Tsiolkovsky and Tozoni, so I've been surrounded by extremely intimidating levels of inteligence... < if that means konstantin, wasn't the guy dead before the war ?
mircea_popescu: Rassah: p.s. I'm not saying their etherium deal is a good one. I don't think investing in ether can in any way give a better return than investing in bitcoin... I don't think vitalik is much of a finance guy, either, so I'm not sure if this "ipo" ca be blamed on him << what the fuck sense does this make ? some guy that's not a finance guy involving himself in finance things is stupid by any conceivable definition of th
mircea_popescu: is also to blame, by any conceivable definition of blame.
fluffypony: ok HeySteve says his connection is fixed
fluffypony: and we can unban him
mircea_popescu: moreover, buterin in particular is very very guilty, because he knew what he should have done, and he's known it for a long fucking time.
mircea_popescu: as a rule of thumb, i would say it's a great idea that if one's using a bouncer, that one sets the bouncer up so if it fails three times in five minutes it stops trying and shoots the owner an email or something. join/part spam is definitely annoying in all channels, even if most won't do anything about it.
dub: !up mutate_
mutate_: Thanks dub.
rithm: by bouncer has some long retry delays and a list of every freenode server
mircea_popescu: !up HeySteve
rithm: raise the roof hobana
mircea_popescu: rithm that also works.
rithm: if my bouncer didn't work i'd quit bitcoin
HeySteve: hello
mircea_popescu: people can want to minimize delays if they're trying to log a chan, but here the logs are published anyway.
rithm: screw you guys, I'm out
HeySteve: not using a bouncer, ADSL just gets dicey occasionally
rithm: use a bouncer
rithm: znc is fun
fluffypony: znc is the bomb diggety
rithm: i was like a decade-long psyBNC user
rithm: idk y in retrospect
HeySteve: if I forget to disconnect before I go to sleep it can get spammy
mircea_popescu: HeySteve you can prolly set your client not to auto-reconnect
dub: you are nearly always spammy
dub: invest in a shell
rithm: yeah my shell is prepaid up to like 2017
rithm: get with the times
HeySteve: ok disabled the auto-reconnect
mircea_popescu: should be fine then.
rithm: this is like 101 stuff like using BCC
rithm: or black boxes instead of blur filters to redact
rithm: plain white boxes would also redact just as well
rithm: nice pattern though
dub: lol
rithm: who signed up for porn?
jurov: no porn. just alien blowjobs are IPOing somewhere
rithm: epoch.com is definitely a porn cancellation
mircea_popescu: !s sexgangsters
mircea_popescu: da fuck it was called
mircea_popescu: !s gangsters
rithm: it says sexgangsters.com
rithm: looks like a reocurring 34.99 if I've ever seen anything like that
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2014#758471 << there. some web game i played for five minutes
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
mircea_popescu: and thus got like five bux.
HeySteve: heh I tried that sexgangsters thing, didn't seem very interactive tho
mircea_popescu: i suspect this is deliberate. if people wanted interactive they wouldn't do online porn, they'd get a gf.
HeySteve: I learnt today of some guy in Romania making a Heroes of Might & Magic style browser game
HeySteve: the idea is you'll be able to play against people for Bitcoin
HeySteve: http://www.ancientbeast.com/ is the link but it's quite far from finished
assbot: AncientBeast - Turn Based Strategy Game
mircea_popescu: well there have been like 500 remakes, i recall playing a pretty good one back in 2007ish.
mircea_popescu: but still, great idea. who's he ? why's he not here ?
HeySteve: I will ask him to join
mircea_popescu: please do. homm2/3 were like... the best games ever made.
mircea_popescu: i still play em ffs.
mircea_popescu: !up DreadKnight
DreadKnight: bacon, ty fellow romanian
mircea_popescu: o hi there. so what's this game thing ?
HeySteve: hey DreadKnight
DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, open source game I'm doing, will eventually allow people to battle for bitcoin, a mix of Heroes of Might and Magic 3 and trading card games, lots of units, each with unique abilities
mircea_popescu: this is splendid. do you want to release under s.mg ?
DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, sorry, what's s.mg? not familiar with bitcoin-assets atm
assbot: S.MG last 2@0.00009100
mircea_popescu: basically, bitcoin electronic arts, let's say.
mircea_popescu: !up nagzter
nagzter: hey
nagzter: HeySteve: mentioned this channel over in #ancientbeast and I wanted to check it out ;)
dub: dude, aspiring to be EA?
DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, is that a license type? trying to make sense of it :D
mircea_popescu: dub yes.
mircea_popescu: DreadKnight it could be, yes.
mircea_popescu: nagzter ^ best way to check it out is the log.
dub: mircea_popescu: you'll want to aim higher than those fucktards
nagzter: I'm over on the site now ;)
mircea_popescu: dub in what sense higher ?
nagzter: I read the topics ;)
dub: less crack more utility
HeySteve: EA are quite hated, what they did to Dungeon Keeper was terrible
mircea_popescu: dub they're supposed to be games not utilities man.
mircea_popescu: HeySteve i did say BITCOIN ea didn't i.
mircea_popescu: like you know, bitcoin is the bitcoin dollar. doesn't mean anyone's printing it.
mircea_popescu: just the good parts.
mircea_popescu: HeySteve you don't mean dk2 do you ?
HeySteve: nope mircea_popescu, they released a DK mobile game
mircea_popescu: oh. that i never saw.
HeySteve: where to mine a block, you basically had to pay or wait a few hours / days
mircea_popescu: DreadKnight anyway, get your gpg registered in the wot as a first step. we'll work something out.
DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, website doesn't provide any info about what this is exactly; I did one or more transactions on bitcoin-otc thingy a while ago if that helps
assbot: BBC News - EA faces criticism over mobile Dungeon Keeper game
pankkake: ;;gpg info DreadKnight
gribble: User 'DreadKnight', with keyid F6A23D326FDF1035, fingerprint 2011A2ADC029482B2C2A1E9EF6A23D326FDF1035, and bitcoin address None, registered on Sun Apr 7 14:39:11 2013, last authed on Sun Apr 7 12:39:11 2013. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=DreadKnight . Currently not authenticated.
DreadKnight: I'm pretty sure I have gpg key
DreadKnight: !gpg info
mircea_popescu: ;;ident DreadKnight
gribble: Nick 'DreadKnight', with hostmask 'DreadKnight!~DreadKnig@unaffiliated/dreadknight', is not identified.
mircea_popescu: well, do you still have key 2011A2ADC029482B2C2A1E9EF6A23D326FDF1035 ?
DreadKnight: checking folder
mircea_popescu: gpg --list-keys --fingreprint
DreadKnight: was looking for that
DreadKnight: gpg: Invalid option "--fingreprint"
mike_c: fingerprint, not fingreprint
DreadKnight: seems I have that key, yey, mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, fun fact : notaries in argentina require you to put your thumbprint next to doc uments you sign
mircea_popescu: which is really ofputting, because in many cultures, such as my own, the thumbprint is the curse of the illiterate.
mircea_popescu: DreadKnight so then go ;;eauth DreadKnight
DreadKnight: ;;eauth DreadKnight
gribble: Request successful for user DreadKnight, hostmask DreadKnight!~DreadKnig@unaffiliated/dreadknight. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/F6A23D326FDF1035
assbot: 404 Not Found
thestringpuller: gpg --decrypt
gribble: Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-97-12.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net', is identified as user 'thestringpuller', with GPG key id 0FF2943DA179E169, key fingerprint 6ACE36E786F39A4ADC4506DE0FF2943DA179E169, and bitcoin address None
DreadKnight: that command did nothing
mircea_popescu: DreadKnight well then just get the pgp blob at the url, then run gpg and paste it in
mircea_popescu: !s conference
mircea_popescu: Rassah: Any of you guys ever go to conferences? ^ a bunch of people went to all sorts of them.
DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, I'm a bit noobish; running gpg in a terminal... and it's like gpg: Go ahead and type your message ... then I paste F6A23D326FDF1035 in? xD
mircea_popescu: no. paste the blob you find at that url
DreadKnight: oh, you wanted the public key
mircea_popescu: the login process is that you make a claim as to who you are, gribble encodes a string to that public key
mircea_popescu: to prove you actualy are that you decrypt and present the string
DreadKnight: I got the string, any preferred pastebin?
mircea_popescu: you go ;;everify string
DreadKnight: ;;everify string
gribble: Error: Incorrect one-time password. Try again.
assbot: Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/271VZ4C.txt )
pankkake: and press the any key :)
asciilifeform: then press 'any key.'
DreadKnight: oh, I ignored gribble a while ago, was poking me daily on private
mircea_popescu: now try replacing "string" with you know, the actual string.
pankkake: that would explain your difficulties :D
mircea_popescu: you can keep it ignored really. the otp url never changes
DreadKnight: was thinking I'm not running those commands
DreadKnight: well, I'm not sure where to press any key :P
mircea_popescu: you don't actually need any input from it to do this. just flip its state twice.
mircea_popescu: DreadKnight what's that string then ?
DreadKnight: it's a few lines long
asciilifeform: DreadKnight: it's on the back of your power supply block.
mircea_popescu: this is a typical session, looky :
mircea_popescu: <mircea_popescu> ;;eauth mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: <gribble> Request successful for user mircea_popescu, hostmask mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/8A736F0E2FB7B452
mircea_popescu: <mircea_popescu> ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:b754a642b13565e0bfe87f3083717c62829912335e322188a0e32d01
mircea_popescu: <gribble> You are now authenticated for user mircea_popescu with key 8A736F0E2FB7B452
DreadKnight: ;;everify string
gribble: Error: Incorrect one-time password. Try again.
DreadKnight: ikr :D
DreadKnight: ;;eauth DreadKnight
gribble: Request successful for user DreadKnight, hostmask DreadKnight!~DreadKnig@unaffiliated/dreadknight. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/F6A23D326FDF1035
mircea_popescu: at this rate you'll have to write things on your tits a la indiancandy girl.
asciilifeform: ;;seen indiancandy
gribble: indiancandy was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 weeks, 5 days, 2 hours, 37 minutes, and 21 seconds ago: <indiancandy> find nickserver
pankkake: I don't know why I never noticed the URL did not change… could have saved me a step
pankkake: ;;seen indiancandy1
gribble: indiancandy1 was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 0 days, 5 hours, 30 minutes, and 58 seconds ago: <indiancandy1> 500*
BingoBoingo: !s indiancandy1
HeySteve: the URL never changes? lol
HeySteve: learn something new every day
jurov: yea, i only find and run from history: curl http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/ID | gpg -q --output - --decrypt
assbot: 404 Not Found
mircea_popescu: HeySteve the url is really your keyid
mircea_popescu: pankkake this is the benefit of halping noobs.
HeySteve: mircea_popescu that makes sense
mircea_popescu: one never knows who the noob really is :D
BingoBoingo: !up DreadKnight
DreadKnight: ;;eauth DreadKnight
gribble: Request successful for user DreadKnight, hostmask DreadKnight!~DreadKnig@unaffiliated/dreadknight. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/F6A23D326FDF1035
mircea_popescu: !up efefefrbrb
mircea_popescu: DreadKnight congrats.
mircea_popescu: !rate DreadKnight 1 HoMM fan!
mircea_popescu: ;;rate DreadKnight 1 HoMM fan!
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user DreadKnight has been recorded.
mircea_popescu: DreadKnight now you can self-voice. you identify with gribble (same process as you just completed) then pm assbot !up
DreadKnight: sorry it took me so long, did that stuff last time about 1 year ago perhaps xD ignoring gribble only added to the confusion
efefefrbrb: still amused by the whole Ethereum scam
mircea_popescu: efefefrbrb you need a better name
mircea_popescu: ;;ident DreadKnight
gribble: Nick 'DreadKnight', with hostmask 'DreadKnight!~DreadKnig@unaffiliated/dreadknight', is not identified.
mircea_popescu: omg you still ain't done it!
DreadKnight: strange
BingoBoingo: !up GodHatesFigs
DreadKnight: ;;eauth DreadKnight
gribble: Request successful for user DreadKnight, hostmask DreadKnight!~DreadKnig@unaffiliated/dreadknight. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/F6A23D326FDF1035
mircea_popescu: now decrypt it.
jurov: DreadKnight: if you're on linux or mac, just do the curl script i pasted
BingoBoingo: !up fats_cd03
jurov: it will ask your passphrase and spit out the decrypted message
DreadKnight: I might have got the passphrase wrong, tried a few times and didn't get a field anymore to write in
fats_cd03: dongs
jurov: what did gpg write to console?
jurov: ^ that should have been interracial
fats_cd03: on ma mobile and t-nazis has my traffic filtered
fats_cd03: 'for the children'
atcbot: 30k@240 42k@239 37k@238 | 138k@210 45k@201 400k@199
mircea_popescu: jurov aww why. honky tonk galz can't lick each other out no mo ?
mircea_popescu: what's this bizarre hang-up with "actually knowing" people one met on skype and "kept in touch with" on facebook ?
mircea_popescu: it reads to me like alfred p. doolittle confronted with a restaurant after a lifetime of mcdonalds explaining how them hamburgers were at least nourishing.
mircea_popescu: why, he'd be shitting rocks after eating one of them!
DreadKnight: hmm brb
mircea_popescu: pankkake: /r/buttcoin can't deal with bitcoin opinions that are not the standard /r/bitcoin crap; they expect to fill their bingo cards and it doesn't work << quite.
mircea_popescu: this is just about how one identifies libertards in the field. they do this paint-by-numbers thing like the soviets of yore.
GodHatesFigs: at least r/buttcoin is mildy amusing
mircea_popescu: gets repetitive quickly, btu sure, for a few minutes
GodHatesFigs: r/bitcoin - where economic illiteracy meets teenage investment plans
GodHatesFigs: let's all pester this merchant into accepting bitcoin!
mircea_popescu: re http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2bh2sr/mtgox_creditor_meeting_handout/cj5e9ue << of course, mp said mtgox is syphoning customer funds, a while back.
assbot: trixisowned comments on mtgox creditor meeting handout
fluffypony: GodHatesFigs: in parlance it's /r/<subreddit> - if you drop the leading forward-slash it's hard to catch programatically
fluffypony: !s "/r/"
mircea_popescu: fluffypony seems reasonably on-target no ?
mircea_popescu: GodHatesFigs you bring good points.
fluffypony: seems like you're including /r/ results :-P
fluffypony: !s " r/"
fluffypony gives up
mircea_popescu does victory dance
mircea_popescu: (protip : it's dropping the / token anyway)
mthreat: !s reddit r
mircea_popescu: trixisowned: when in reality they just added their address to the list of miners, and take a percentage of each block as if they were actually hashing << this is pretty major, actually.
mircea_popescu: proofs ?
trixisowned: mircea_popescu, thats the whole thing
trixisowned: he refuses
trixisowned: to release code
trixisowned: for CBBSRB
trixisowned: and has done so
trixisowned: since the day he implemented
trixisowned: and he calls everyone a troll
trixisowned: that points that out
trixisowned: and says "I DONT EVEN HAVE ANY PART IN ELIGIUS ANYMORE"
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: he's punting Etherium? << he's new, and behind on teh reads.
trixisowned: which is a complete untruth
fluffypony: pankkake: you've been buying Magic the Gathering cards again?
mircea_popescu: pankkake lol win.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves: <+BingoBoingo> HANDSofSTEEL: If you want to take both sides, BitBet is probably the best tool for that --- good point, need ETH BitBet, that's how we can all short the mofo << well obviously not all.
mircea_popescu: the problem here is that the past few days have kinda clearly shown the complete lack of any counterparty. you can't trade without cp.
BingoBoingo: Ah the few people who considered wanting the Ether didn't want it when they heard about the hangover when you come to
mircea_popescu: i got drunk on champagne, there's no hangover for that.
ThickAsThieves: really champagne is worst hangover for me
ThickAsThieves: i wont even drink a whole glass usually
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves you're prolly thinking us fakefizzy.
mircea_popescu: anyway, we put away i dont recall, 2, 3 bottles ?
mircea_popescu: something
BingoBoingo: I've never had a problem with champagne, now "champagne" as in the generic bubbly stuff from places that shouldn't be attempting such a thing...
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves wait, you had the romanian stuff. ever drunk it or just gifted it away ?
ThickAsThieves: i think i told you but the bottle from Ro made it safely home and into my belly at some point
mircea_popescu: ah yes. so headache ?
ThickAsThieves: i dont recall a hangover
mircea_popescu: right. point settled.
jurov: ThickAsThieves for quality hangovers look for "warning: contains sulphur"
ThickAsThieves: like wine sulphites?
jurov: yes, whatever they use to treat it
mircea_popescu: yeah, bisulphites can be a good cause. all sorts of crap they put in wine, sparkling or not, can be it.
mircea_popescu: sugar especially, which is why you want to drink brut or very dry
ThickAsThieves: i prefer dry
ThickAsThieves: in all food really
ThickAsThieves: that coinbase cancellation is so wtf
ThickAsThieves: i wonder if checking accounts get cancelled like that too
mircea_popescu: no, it's how the aml crap works. world's noobliest bayesian filtering implemented by janitors and congressional aides.
pigeons: coinbase cancellation?
mircea_popescu: iitl pi07r
mircea_popescu: oops i mean pigeons
fluffypony: pigeons: you should click on more links
mike_c: the world wide web is a pile of undocumented bullshit.
pigeons: not after that one from mircea_popescu yesterday
mircea_popescu: pigeons you're against social justice ?
pigeons: no i just dont want to look at it
mircea_popescu: ahh win.
mircea_popescu: !up cyranodeB
pankkake: I've had a fiat transactions cancelled for less - but that payment processor was trash for almost everything so
BingoBoingo: cyranodeB: How's the nose?
pigeons: coinbase cancellation as in mircea_popescu cancelled his DERP? or coinbase cancellation as in the same old thing where they cancel people's order cause coinbase
cyranodeB: hi everybody...
cyranodeB: thanks BingoBoingo.... how is showering? i can smell you from here! (smile)
pigeons: by the way, literally and seriously much btter and more useful than ethereum: http://www.dogeparty.io/
assbot: Dogeparty
mircea_popescu: wait... bb had a GIRLFRIEND ?
mircea_popescu: !up GodHatesFigs
BingoBoingo: cyranodeB: Well, I just got back from cutting some lawns so smelling pretty ripe
mircea_popescu: BigBitz: Bitcoin markets don't revolve around news. <<< bitcoin is here to make the news, not to follow the news.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu> wait... bb had a GIRLFRIEND ? << I don't think I've had any that would be in Lithuania atm
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo but then again you drink, so how'd you know.
BingoBoingo: That I guess is a good question.
cyranodeB: sorry if i annoy anyone with a repeated question.. but does anybody have an idea why bitcoin is crashing???
BingoBoingo: cyranodeB: China Drama
BingoBoingo: Happens from time to time
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 602.5, Best ask: 604.0, Bid-ask spread: 1.50000, Last trade: 602.32, 24 hour volume: 10201.68824563, 24 hour low: 591.12, 24 hour high: 622.67, 24 hour vwap: 606.291211732
mircea_popescu: what crashing is that lol.
mircea_popescu: pankkake: natalie portman is a jew? I always knew something was off with her << only on the mother's side.
cyranodeB: china?? what happend in china???
cyranodeB: ;;ticker --low
gribble: 591.12
BingoBoingo: cyranodeB: Just the usual "Banned Bitcoin" again or some shit
mircea_popescu: pankkake: why would all scammers be dumb? << it's a self-selecting activity. smart people find better things to do.
cyranodeB: where do you have that information from BingoBoino?
mircea_popescu: pigeons: vitalik sells lots of snake oil besides etherum: emulated quantum computer that runs faster than its von neuman host; proof of stake; "trustless" distributed fiat (schellingcoin); << he's like andreas v2.0 then ?
BingoBoingo: cyranodeB: Just read someone derping about it a few hours ago. Don't care enough to look into it because this shit just happens.
cyranodeB: anyone else here who has an idea whats happening?
mircea_popescu: pigeons: wow really they are already trying to damage control the 1% of the press they get that isn't positive? and from a bitcoinpete (no offense lol) blog post? << the 1% happens to be what matters in this field.
mircea_popescu: mkay i guess that's good enough
mircea_popescu: !down cyranodeB
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 687182.56 Est. Next Diff: 644367.37 in 1216 blocks (#42336) Est. % Change: -6.23
assbot: Massive DDOS Against Coin Fire Underway - Coin Fire
atcbot: 30k@240 42k@239 37k@238 | 138k@210 45k@201 400k@199
mircea_popescu: "A few nights ago an attacker sent a message via our contact form demanding we send .5 BTC to protect ourselves from a DDOS attack."
mircea_popescu: wait, this wouldn't be the same guy i was lulzing at last month ?
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
mircea_popescu: "The attack vector is using Facebook notes to flood our site using a known exploit on Facebook and we’ve reached out to friends at Facebook’s Cyber Security team who have determined the IP address of the original person hitting the attack vector and are working with law enforcement actively to track this user down."
mircea_popescu: so much lol in there.
BingoBoingo: No idea, but Facebook seems like an appalingly stupid sort of tool for this kind of derp
mircea_popescu: the guy doesn't have enough sense to USE FUCKING LINKS because he's not yet caught up with the web, byt anyway, here is the stuff he should have provided : http://chr13.com/2014/04/20/using-facebook-notes-to-ddos-any-website/
assbot: Using Facebook Notes to DDoS any website | A Programmer's Blog
mircea_popescu: it's stupid-easy to protect from : a) ban facebook. b) don't allow ambiguous reference to expensive resources.
dignork: BingoBoingo: there was an article, about facebook aggresively crawling site which you post a link to, it can be used to ddos
mircea_popescu: dignork see above >D
mircea_popescu: it's emphatically not a ddos. it's a dos.
dignork: oh, write, don't read
mircea_popescu: fuckwits on the internet tho, just use words like their mommy made them
mircea_popescu: im surprised no one's made endometrium coin yet btw.
mircea_popescu: mike_c: i'm probably the only idiot in here, but in case there is one other: "3 indicates a "pay-to-script-hash" address that contains a hash (one way fingerprint) of a script that can be used for multiple things including address obfuscation and multi-signature requirements." << tl;dr : 3addresses are an unnecessary and crufty thing some idiots pretend they've added to bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: Misconceptions (on the bitcoin.it wiki) : Addresses are not wallets nor accounts, and do not carry balances. They only receive funds, and you do not send "from" an address at any time.
mircea_popescu: how the fuck do you send bitcoin, pray tell, if not by signing with the private key associated with a public key that's an address that has a balance ?
dignork: pigeons, I looked at dogeparty, it's a fork of counterparty, minus double-spending protection provided by btc network
mircea_popescu: o look : https://en.bitcoin.it/w/index.php?title=Address&action=historysubmit&diff=49101&oldid=46223 lukejr edited that page to a) replace the cannonical example with the bullshit 3thing,
assbot: Difference between revisions of "Address" - Bitcoin
mircea_popescu: took out the private key discussion entirely,
HeySteve: huzzah
DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, ok, I think I managed
mircea_popescu: added the entire misconceptions thing...
mircea_popescu: Luke-Jr why are you so scummy ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 312 @ 0.0040532 = 1.2646 BTC [-] {5}
mircea_popescu: ;;ident DreadKnight
gribble: Nick 'DreadKnight', with hostmask 'DreadKnight!~DreadKnig@unaffiliated/dreadknight', is identified as user 'DreadKnight', with GPG key id F6A23D326FDF1035, key fingerprint 2011A2ADC029482B2C2A1E9EF6A23D326FDF1035, and bitcoin address None
mircea_popescu: ;;rated Luke-Jr
gribble: You rated user Luke-Jr on Mon Apr 29 11:03:34 2013, with a rating of -1, and supplied these additional notes: Most recently, lied about BFL delivery (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=165500.0;all). Old history of being untrustworthy..
mircea_popescu: ;;rate Luke-Jr -10 VERY old history of being untrustworthy. See http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-07-2014#767750 or inquire within
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user Luke-Jr has changed from -1 to -10.
mircea_popescu: DreadKnight indeed you have.
DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, alright, what's next?
mircea_popescu: DreadKnight next is, well, tell me a little about what you're planning with this game, how's it going etc.
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 687182.56 Est. Next Diff: 644316.03 in 1213 blocks (#42336) Est. % Change: -6.24
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 312318 | Current Difficulty: 1.733631697850783E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 312479 | Next Difficulty In: 161 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 2 hours, 27 minutes, and 56 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 18652322160.5 | Estimated Percent Change: 7.59103
DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, Alright :-) making free open source game project, turn based strategy game playable from the browser; it's kinda like the reverse of Super Smash Bros Brawl, as it features a lot of original characters that will be featured in a lot of other games; the project is inspired by Heroes of Might and Magic 3's combat system, but improved, combined with Trading Card Games; it's fun, easy to get into, but it's hard to maste
DreadKnight: r, one of those ever green games basically; it leaves nothing up to chance and randomness, yet no two games will be the same; it can be played 1vs1 or 2vs2 on pretty much any device with pretty much any input method; so want to make "the chess of the future", a way for people to battle for fun or digital currency, very accessible, playable even without account or paying anything; I'm a bit stuck on the coding part atm, the current
DreadKnight: prototype was funded thanks to a few bitcoins I sold at a decent enough time so that I could afford paying a part time coder for a few months, but now I'm broke and I'm not a very good coder; so I could use some support to get things going
mircea_popescu: it leaves nothing up to chance and randomnes << this is a problem.
DreadKnight: in chess you don't have randomness; the random part is that unlike chess, you pick your units (tools) as you go by, so from hundreds of units, you'll only put like 5 or so into play in a match
DreadKnight: so you'll always want to counter your enemy units with ones that you think are best for the job
mircea_popescu: DreadKnight if there's no randomness involved people won't be likely to play for btc.
mircea_popescu: there's a reason poker championships give out multi milion prizes
mircea_popescu: while chess championships give away 500 bux
DreadKnight: in chess you get basically an infinite of possibilities, no two games are the same; and Ancient Beast is way more complex than chess, but looks less boring
mircea_popescu: but the results are deterministic.
DreadKnight: I'm not looking to make yet another poker or dice game, there are plenty of btc online casinos
mircea_popescu: poker is not dice. stick to my example no ?
BingoBoingo: Yeah a game without randomness leads to high level play being dominated by dickstabbers, people who instead of playing in an enjoyable way will pull out their dick knives and stab their dick for an 0.01% advantage.
DreadKnight: I'm making something that's all about skill, not luck
kakobrekla: no random? get ready for botraep.
mircea_popescu: well that's nice, i guess.
DreadKnight: even if you pick only the units with best stats, they can be countered, so there's no point in exploiting the game; your opponent will most likely be able to make the same units, so no point in that
BingoBoingo: !s blockchain chess
mircea_popescu: this log is fucking epic. guy that's got himself blacklisted by derping at me can't spell funding and is looking for $500.
DreadKnight: a lot of people play moba (dota/dota2/league of legends/heroes of newerth/etc), played moba for about years and pretty much avoided all the issues that type of game has when it comes to Ancient Beast itself
mircea_popescu: the sad irony of all this being that we've been actually looking for a competent sysadmin to run stuff for years.
mircea_popescu: DreadKnight looky here : in business, one's always selling something. games are business. as such, they can either sell content or risk.
mircea_popescu: to make money selling content you need huge economies of scale, because content is so expensive to make.
mircea_popescu: this is why wow was a gold mine and rift spent 10mn for ~3mn in returns
DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, even if it's free open source, there are business strategies to it
mircea_popescu: rift is a very nice game, too, but that dun matter.
mircea_popescu: so now, you'll have to sell risk whether you want to or not. learn to live with it.
DreadKnight: I agree, that's planned
mircea_popescu: you just said it wasn't above
DreadKnight: I talked about the vanilla game
DreadKnight: which everybody has access to, but which won't be have a ladder / prized / money involved at all
DreadKnight: prizes*
Luke-Jr: mircea_popescu: troll
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kakobrekla: Luke-Jr child rapist.
Luke-Jr: kakobrekla: liar
kakobrekla: Luke-Jr banana
Luke-Jr: [22:23:06] <mircea_popescu> took out the private key discussion entirely, <-- because it has nothing to do with addresses
Luke-Jr: [22:23:26] <mircea_popescu> added the entire misconceptions thing… <-- because it is needed
mircea_popescu: private keys have nothing to do with the public keys they're paired with ?
Luke-Jr: addresses aren't public keys
mircea_popescu: in what sense.
mircea_popescu: can i calculate the bitcoin address that'd correspond to any arbitrary private address i choose ?
Luke-Jr: *version 1 addresses* are *implemented* using ECDSA keypairs inside wallets; but that's a technical detail, and there is a separate page for technical details
Luke-Jr: the Address page is intended to be for end-users
mircea_popescu: eh spare me the derpage. you and the rest of the usg plants are trying to push forward a certain political aggenda.
Luke-Jr: USG?
mircea_popescu: it won't work if i have to kill you all, and i won't have to kil you all.
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Luke-Jr wonders wtf he is being accused of now
mircea_popescu: you're not being accused. you've just been convicted. that's all.
DreadKnight: there will be a mode for subscribers that will have a monthly ladder, top players receiving prizes; each match and victory will be logged; in this mode, your units will die and you'll have to purchase card packs with random units inside, so you won't have access to every single unit in the game unless you pay, also each victory will take a toll, as you'll have casualties most likely; you'll also be able to feed your units to impro
DreadKnight: ve certain stats for limited amounts of time, food will be rather cheap, but it can make the difference between life and death, victory and loss; besides, there will be tournaments, playing for digital currency (where a % will be taken as fee); each month the ladder will start fresh, winners from previous month being added to a hall of fame; there will also be merchandise in the shop (tshirts, miniatures, plushies, and so on), mos
DreadKnight: t of the Ancient Beast units will become popular thanks to their license / attribution and usage, so it's all like a virus, to spread as much as possible
mircea_popescu: DreadKnight ok, now you're talking
mircea_popescu: so what's your role in all this ? you draw the artwork ? you code the game ?
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DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, I'm a jack of all trades, designed the project, I manage the thing, make abilities, made the website, look for contributors, code, sketch, test it with fans, whatever it needs to be done; I'm working with quite a bit of people, constantly looking for fresh blood, that's the beauty of being open source
mircea_popescu: so like a pm basically, mostly covering for game design
DreadKnight: I'm proficient with organic low poly modeling though, but that will be noticeable a bit later, when animations will get in the game, sample www.AncientBeast.com/viewer
DreadKnight: getting weekly emails from people to allow them to use artwork / assets in their games and I'm pretty much underground atm
mircea_popescu: ok, so what do you need from your publisher ?
DreadKnight: I don't really need a publisher, need a bit of funding / sponsorship to speed things up and get some help with coding
mircea_popescu: that seems self-contradictory.
DreadKnight: indie game devs don't usually go for publishers; they rather make crowd funding campaigns to avoid strings attached
DreadKnight: will get to that as well soon
asciilifeform was at bazaar, buying food, missed all the good derp
asciilifeform: somebody's playing blockchain chess now?
mircea_popescu: DreadKnight mkay, i guess if that's how you swing.
asciilifeform: am i doomed to see every gedankenexperiment brought into flesh ?
DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, back in the day the only method were printing cd's and selling them in shops, so yeah, publisher was needed; now it's internet era, digital downloads, websites, app stores
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes. this is the point of flesh, to make thoughts painful.
mircea_popescu: DreadKnight im not sure you take my meaning.
asciilifeform: 'we shall learn to get by with a minimum of thinking - because thinking is painful.' - a maths prof of mine
mircea_popescu: Pierre_Rochard: kakobrekla: so everyone should pay off their mortgage / student loans / credit cards / car loans before buying bitcoins? Seems a little extreme and just poor balance sheet management imho <<< i can see it. bitcoin is still not for the poor.
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asciilifeform: which currency, if any, is 'for' the poor ?
mod6: tide
asciilifeform: or is this more of an 'air is not for the drowning' observation.
mircea_popescu: the two are amusingly related : work -> schweddyballs -> tide.
asciilifeform: ;;ud schweddyballs
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DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, the game is playable from the website, SaaS business model (software as a service), so what was your meaning?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform just an alternate spelling of sweaty balls, that also happens to be an edible product.
Pierre_Rochard: mircea_popescu: ah, well I’ll myself out then
mircea_popescu: DreadKnight you're thinking publisher in the sense of the world of atari, making hardware cartridges.
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mircea_popescu: lol is he trolling me ?!
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mircea_popescu: DreadKnight im thinking more in the sense of the larger entity you get backstopped against.
DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, there are several ways of spreading a webgame as well, "web publishers" like facebook, fgl.com, gamejolt.com and many more - the game is easy to embed anywhere actually
mircea_popescu: i suppose i should say "sponsor" in your terminology.
DreadKnight: or even investors, as long as the strings aren't forever
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mircea_popescu: DreadKnight why not ?
DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, wondering, I'm from Constanta, what about you? (most likely Bucharest)
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mircea_popescu: DreadKnight i lived for a while in timisoara, cluj before that.
mircea_popescu: ;;google trilema learn that variety speak
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mircea_popescu: DreadKnight there, first url, that's my blog.
mircea_popescu: (unlike the other two lel)
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DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, got a bit caught up reading that blog post, though it's related to current situation a bit, about using the proper terms :D
mircea_popescu: AndrewJackson best part string ever dood.
DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, you're not in Romania anymore? A bit confused
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mircea_popescu: im in buenos aires.
DreadKnight: A lot of people leave this country, including my best friends...
DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, so the assets part is kinda like in stock market, not "art assets"?
mircea_popescu: not kinda. this is the core of bitcoin.
DreadKnight: just making sure, was really confused at first, because we were talking art assets in the project channel
DreadKnight: well, current prototype so far was funded with bitcoins, hopefully it will continue that way
mircea_popescu: funded, how ? like donations ?
DreadKnight: yeah, donations, it wasn't worth much but I held on to those coins and sold when it started to get fatty
DreadKnight: I use every single dollar efficiently and know to bargain
mircea_popescu: mkay. well, can you turn all this into a business plan ?
DreadKnight: there was no point to it if there was no business plan
DreadKnight: as in, I can't spend tremendous amounts of time working on it along with other people if it wouldn't sustain itself, not to mention me eventually
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DreadKnight: quite a few seen "Video Games the movie" and asked "what about open source?", well, open source game dev is not even on the map for proper reasons, but I want to show it's possible
DreadKnight: like I said for the business model, subscription granting access to more game modes, digital merchandise (card packs / lifes , food / boosters, skins), physical merchandise and fees from betting currency (as spectator or player)
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ThickAsThieves: it's been discussed i think
HeySteve: I saw that, needed more PC master race
HeySteve: the intro with Queen song was pretty rad tho
mircea_popescu: DreadKnight ok, let me put it this way : so far you're making it impossible to be helped. now, lots of people circle this chan in the hopes of getting some support, you're way ahead of them through a combination of good luck and good luck.
mircea_popescu: so wanna use it or not ?
DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, I guess you have some terms, the poker / randomness stuff?
mircea_popescu: i have some hard in-principle things that can disqualify a proposition, but they're pretty sparse.
mircea_popescu: field is new, so we don't know a whole lot about what fundamentally doesn't work just yet.
mircea_popescu: but yes, a deterministic web game for btc is a non starter.
mircea_popescu: this isn't the case here tho, from what i gather.
DreadKnight: it can easily be fixed, have lots of game modes in mind; basically you can just assign random limited unit pools to each player
DreadKnight: if you really want to have the random element in that is
mircea_popescu: the "buy random pakcs ofo cards" thing is enough.
mircea_popescu: it really doesn't take much.
DreadKnight: initially wanted to allow buying individual units, but did a bit game design research and seems this is more fun and profitable and balanced, people won't buy only over powered units and some want to collect them all, so they might have to buy and buy until they're satisfied or out of funds
ThickAsThieves: make sure you let me buy custom hats too
DreadKnight: eventually there will be custom skins and such; seems a lot of people care about vanity items in dota2 rather than carry about increasing their gameplay skills
HeySteve: people love their in-game bling / customisation stuff
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DreadKnight: will definitely want the main character fully customizable
ThickAsThieves: HeySteve i thought it was retarded at first, turns out its way less retarded than raiding for 80 hours to make your hero look dope
HeySteve: just like real life, most people think appearance > substance
HeySteve: ThickAsThieves I guess so yeah, but I don't like the pay to win kind of thing at all
DreadKnight: was checking reviews for a tablet a few months ago and the tablet was pink, most reviews were like "and it's awesome that it's pink, my daughter will love it", mom also got a pink phone *sigh*
ThickAsThieves: right, dota 2 is doing it all right
HeySteve: but for cosmetic stuff, it works well
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves this is the benefit of aging. you start to realise your time is worth more than money.
ThickAsThieves: pump out new characters, new costumes for the old ones, and never update the actual game much
ThickAsThieves: even there they still work at it
DreadKnight: HeySteve, I agree; I'm keeping pay to win totally away from free to play; hated that I played Ancient Summoner (now called Rise of Mythos) and I was pawning most players, but everytime I was fighting a noob that put a few bucks in the game, I was getting humiliated, I eventually quit playing because of that
ThickAsThieves: dota is just missing a hangout area
DreadKnight: ThickAsThieves, it has chat rooms, you can make new ones hmm
DreadKnight: it pretty much has IRC embedded inside
ThickAsThieves: i didnt know
ThickAsThieves: never looked i guess
ThickAsThieves: seems it should be in one of the main pages
DreadKnight: anyway, Ancient Beast has lots of advantages over moba (dota2)
DreadKnight: ThickAsThieves, the chat is right side in the main menu
DreadKnight: every country has a few rooms, lots of trading or random channels
DreadKnight: a lot of item trading spam or swearing / flaming :D
DreadKnight: I'm really starting to hate having to team up with random people in online multiplayer games, nothing good comes out of it usually
ThickAsThieves: it is the worst part of dota
ThickAsThieves: getting fuknuts on your team
cazalla: lol is the same
DreadKnight: one feeds, another one gets support and doesnt buy a ward / curier, one is afk, one disconnects, one thinks he's carry with the support, one has tank but he's always last in team fight, another one has initiator but he doesn't initiate crap and so on
mircea_popescu: kinda what guilds are invented for no ?
nubbins`: sounds fun
mircea_popescu: or slavegirls i guess
DreadKnight: 5vs5 sucks; you can't play with anyone on the globe because of latency, you can't play with friends because they're noobs for sure, it's harder than having a band and you are stuck in a chair all day without making any money
nubbins`: harder than having a band
DreadKnight: sometimes the matches are over before they even begin, all picking a carry instead of getting proper roles, or randoming and getting heroes they know what to do with
mircea_popescu: what's a carry ?
DreadKnight: or simply bad combinations, 4 melee plus yet another melee called void
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DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, carry is the "Rambo" of the game, the one dealing damage but very item Dependant and squishy
HeySteve: ha funnily enough, I do sing kinda flat. tried a few bands but never became a rockstar
mircea_popescu: nubbins` lol who's that obnoxious mcdonalds manger
nubbins`: heheh
nubbins`: strange movie, worth watching
DreadKnight: so everyone wants the kills, but you can't have 5 carries in a team, no doubt, because there's not enough farm / gold, mircea_popescu
nubbins`: HeySteve :0
DreadKnight: and there's the team mate that always does nothing but steals your kills on purpose, just because, him being support and you being a carry
HeySteve: nubbins, this looks like napoleon dynamite kinda movie
DreadKnight: most shitty game designed every, yet it's an esport
nubbins`: awkward kids in middle america
nubbins`: about the same, yeah, just filmed in the 80s instead of pretending it was ;D
cazalla: does dota have ranked/unranked matches like lol?
HeySteve: looks funny, nubbins?
nubbins`: girl's name is Dawn Weiner, classic tragedy
DreadKnight: cazalla, yes
nubbins`: HeySteveyeah
mircea_popescu: DreadKnight o i think i tried something like this at one time, ragnarsomething
DreadKnight: nubbins`, thanks for recommendation, looks fun
DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, maybe Ragnarok Online? not sure if it's a moba
nubbins`: lel. customer wants "keep calm logo, like on the chive shirts"
nubbins`: so i create "keep calm and <verb related to business> on", complete with royal crown
DreadKnight: and there's the situation where a noob from your team auto attacks instead of last hitting only or last hitting your creeps away from you when you're carry and he's support *sigh*
mircea_popescu: Heroes of Newerth it was.
nubbins`: guy says "i didn't think it had a crown on the top"
nubbins`: facedesk
DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, yeah, played that one as well, I was a moba junkie, it was part of the experience and motivation when designing Ancient Beast
nubbins`: guys, this game you're talking about sounds v complicated and nothing at all like mario kart 8
cazalla: mk8 handles latency really well from what i've played of it online
DreadKnight: showed a teenage girl Angry Birds, she was like "please uninstall", showed her Super Tux Kart, "woah, this is fun!"
nubbins`: cazalla +1
mircea_popescu: DreadKnight methinks you're showing teenage girls the wrong things.
nubbins`: they do hide rankings for a few seconds before you cross the finish line, just in case
DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, she had the cd with Angry Birds, I hate that game
nubbins`: mircea_popescu "please uninstall" ;(
cazalla: nubbins`, i've only been given a lower ranking than i expected a few times with that
nubbins`: cazalla it's pretty much only for the closest of calls
nubbins`: online mode is where true skill is acquired
nubbins`: i've only started recently, got my cups first
cazalla: yeah, i just passed 6000
nubbins`: i just broke 2000, but still gaining ground
DreadKnight: MMR system is fun when you don't have to rely on team mates
mircea_popescu: !s alienware
BingoBoingo: Only recent dell hardware I've been impressed with were those Latitude netbooks they made for a while
cazalla: mircea_popescu, these twistys links never work for me, prob not a big deal seeing it's been all nigger dick images past few days
mircea_popescu: cazalla no you're missing out.
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mircea_popescu: hot lezzie sexes.
DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, did some friend recommended Heroes of Newerth? how long did you played it? why quit?
mircea_popescu: so today alone 143 different .ru domains supposedly sent people to trilema.
mircea_popescu: "traffic" is becoming less and less meaningful
mircea_popescu: DreadKnight i play lots of things to try them out. i quit because i can't stand the model. too much like [lowly paid] work.
DreadKnight: there's something going on with Russia lately, because number one source of visitors for my project all of a sudden; dota2 servers are filled with russians, they're very hated
mircea_popescu: if i wanted to spend my time doing that sort of shit i
mircea_popescu: 'd prolly take a 3rd world programmer job.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: deterministic web game for btc is a non starter << this deserves an explanation
DreadKnight: a lot of people don't really like Heroes of Newerth's artwork, too detailed, yet your character is small
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but the explanation is i nthe log, which part didn;'t make sense ?
mircea_popescu: DreadKnight i don't like the "learn this succession of small movements" part.
DreadKnight: asciilifeform, I think he was afraid of players doing the same things over and over again, or picking only the best units
DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, every played battletoads? xD
mircea_popescu: DreadKnight no. consider the supermodel of all player strategy games, btc.waroflife.com/
mircea_popescu: if the final state of the game flows deterministically from the state at any point, there's nothing for a human to do.
DreadKnight: moba is too much about lane pushing and farming
DreadKnight: and roles like jungler or support are usually super boring
DreadKnight: but support is pretty mandatory, which is not cool
mircea_popescu: battletoads << no, never have.
mircea_popescu: !up prototype
danielpbarron: DreadKnight, i play dota
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DreadKnight: danielpbarron, first or second one?
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asciilifeform: 'comes as a preemptive strike against ASICs' << this shit never gets old, does it
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how could it ?
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mircea_popescu: "Vertcoin has always been and will continue to be the leader in decentralization of cryptocurrency."
BingoBoingo: Hard to decentralize mining when few people want to work the turd mines
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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: because actual solution (whether problem ought to be solved is a matter of concern to - other people...) was posted. free for the taking - http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-03-2014#590930 - but anyone lifted it? nope
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform let's laugh together. on one hand it's you saying that, one minute under some derp going in the bitbet comments section to say that since ThickAsThieves posted something here about a topic of interest, and magicaltux also hung out on irc, it follows that bitbet is bad.
mircea_popescu: now... what part of "the people are more stupid than can be put into words" needs putting into words ?
mircea_popescu: !up Guest52945
asciilifeform: socrates, a man. men sometimes eat shit. socrates eats shit.
mircea_popescu: !up guest8653
asciilifeform: bulletproof logic
mircea_popescu: the shit can never get old. "here's what i want, here's what's to be done, here's me not doing it". how would this ever get old.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: imho it's a far worse thing when they - do - it.
mircea_popescu: well they don't do it. they do something that's "just as good".
mircea_popescu: according to X.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, forget the bitter me. let's refine your automata idea a little.
asciilifeform: gedankenexperiment. idea was, automata - and difficulty determined by size of playing field. preferably exponential growth.
mircea_popescu: suppose pow is, "find a 1mbit value which xored with your block results in a wol-like table which playing for 32 generations results in a table identical to the table of the block as is"
asciilifeform: more or less, this.
mircea_popescu: would you say this is an acceptable implementation ?
mircea_popescu: now, imbit = 128kb, which should be enough for the blocks originally.
mircea_popescu: suppose you double this every 200k blocks, much like how bitcoin halves reward.
mircea_popescu: except you don't have reward, you just increase 4fold the size of the field.
mircea_popescu: and implicitly the size of the block.
asciilifeform: actually you can weasel out of inflating block size, by using a hash of your favourite flavour to populate the field.
mircea_popescu: and of course the 32 can be adjusted as "difficulty"
mircea_popescu: ie, make it 4576957698475 generations if need be
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dont wanna weasel out of inflating block size i dont think
mircea_popescu: i actually kinda want this built, if there's any hardcore c programmer looking for a major project.
asciilifeform leads people into perdition
mircea_popescu: this still needs better chaining than what bitcoin's doing.
asciilifeform: the folks looking to somehow 'vanish' the asic thing will be disappointed, though.
mircea_popescu: obviously anything that can be made can be made in silicon
asciilifeform: but the concept outlined here would provide something close to the theoretical maximum of annoyance to mining asic builders.
asciilifeform: the question of whether this needs doing, i'll leave to the folks who give a damn.
mircea_popescu: in particular because of the block increase
mircea_popescu: ie, either you make waseful asics or else you keep changing them every 200k blocks
asciilifeform: 'once the rockets go up, who cares where they come down. that's not my department, said wehrner von braun.'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what would you wish to see improved in chaining?
mircea_popescu: a way to make retaining blocks spurious.
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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: make retaining blocks spurious << i thought this was solved, at least in principle, with 'checkpointing'
mircea_popescu: checkpointing is evil tho.
mircea_popescu: one of the most important vulnerabilities extant in bitcoin as is.
asciilifeform: every so often, a 'year zero', and the chain is replaced with a hash of its state. anyone who wants the history, goes to an archive.
mircea_popescu: honestly i don't think i actualy understand what i want re chaining
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: either we keep every pissant transaction around, or we snip. tertium non datur, as i understand.
mircea_popescu: but why.
DreadKnight: asciilifeform, year zero will cut off confirmation for new transactions, but I would want for the downloaded stuff to not be 10gb; there are wallets that skip that stuff nowadays, though not recommended in certain cases
asciilifeform: incidentally, the 'we want an0nym1ty!!1' folks could be satisfied - use paillier's arithmetic to represent balances. so you need private key to know the state of an address.
mircea_popescu: that is a good part yes.
asciilifeform: again, why to do this, remains a mystery to me. but people seem to really want it, and could in principle do it this way.
mircea_popescu: yes indeed, there's at least two items for the bitcoin v2.0 : the wol pow detailed above and the p-airthm balance
asciilifeform: another, perhaps obvious temptation is to bake in the wot.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's a bad idea. baking in gpg however would be splendid.
asciilifeform: again, as a certified armchair general, i've no idea whether this is actually necessary.
mircea_popescu: suppose that anyone can generate txn using gpg, much like mpex works.
mircea_popescu: as long as your address is known, you're g2g.
mircea_popescu: sort-of where i was seeing the "b-a public registrar" project that nobody wants to do going, in step 2.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you're willing to ditch ecdsa and use traditional rsa, and eat the cost of longer keys, this is trivial.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform one can use w/e key he wants.
mircea_popescu: modularity is teh win
mircea_popescu: anyway the hash daisychanin satoshi used was moar like a joke than srs.
mircea_popescu: also, need much better hidding of the traffix it generates.
mircea_popescu: in principle one shouldn't be able to spot a b2.0 node on the network.
asciilifeform reminds listeners that he's a rather busy fellow and that they also have hands, and can do all of the above.
mircea_popescu: anyway, gonna have some cake, bbl.
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: one shouldn't be able to spot a b2.0 node on the network << in that traffic should resemble a traditional bitcoin node? or simply point to point encryption?
asciilifeform: because in the latter case, two nodes must know something about one another, or mitm is trivial.
BingoBoingo: !up HANDSofSTEEL
DreadKnight: this IRC channel works so much better than Bitcoin Business Alliance's skype group
BingoBoingo: DreadKnight: Amazing how often older technologies work better than "advances" that would pretent to replace them isn't it
DreadKnight: well, skype is just designed with something else in mind, that's for sure :D
DreadKnight: but thanks to the BBA group, I log into skype once a month tops, very annoying
BingoBoingo: Well, the downside of skype is it forces you to interact with it through the interface it chooses, among other flaws. IRC though... You can pick a client and if it ends up being shit simply switch
DreadKnight: yeah, very true, screw closed protocols
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform traffic should resemble people exchanging gpg messages maybe ?
mircea_popescu: DreadKnight there's a reason pros use particular tools rather than any other tools.
mircea_popescu: i think naggum was it had a rant on the topic.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform had a rant or several as well
decimation: another theory of mh17 occured to me the other day: while it seems to be detrimental to the rebel's cause, in the bigger calcuation it might actually help them quite a bit
decimation: every human on earth now knows that russia is ready and willing to shoot anything down in that area
mircea_popescu: no rebel ever lost anything through causing trouble.
decimation: which euro nation wants to be the first one to try to start a "no-fly" zone ala iraq?
mircea_popescu: it seems improbable russia shot down the thing.
cazalla: DreadKnight, most of your complaints regarding mobas are tied to low tier, bronze league superstars, you don't see it in higher brackets which is why it's an esport and a good one at that
decimation: I think it is unlikely that it was explictly ordered, but I read another news story that the 'rebels' shot down some more ukranian fighter jets
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> it seems improbable russia shot down the thing. << I'm waiting for the investigation to reveal a la TWA 800 that the plane was doomed when it took off
decimation: weak-knee western military policy 101: start a no-fly zone
BingoBoingo: But in spite of the criticisms the Su-25 ground attack plane shooting it down is probably more feasible than it gets credit for.
mircea_popescu: decimation that's not happening.
decimation: right, because every last voter realizes exactly the kind of risk that would entail
decimation: a no-fly zone would start a major air battle
mircea_popescu: no it wouldn't.
mircea_popescu: a no fly zone would allow the russian airforce to showcase it's unmatched superiority by making short work of everything else.
mircea_popescu: if it were 1980s the republicans would have been all in favour, because nothing's better for public contracts than a humiliating, public defeat.
decimation: well, in any case russia isn't going to stand for foriegn aircraft patroling its border, and the world knows it will "arm its proxies" or whatever to make it happen
mircea_popescu: the thing is... the country can't pay anyway, so there's not much pork to be had out of "we need better new planes"
DreadKnight: cazalla, yeah, but to get high mmr, you have to play with non retards, very wise hand picked people, takes time; and you need to either sync in time tables or to have a lot of such people at your disposal, it's a chore to have a proper team
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu> the thing is... the country can't pay anyway, so there's not much pork to be had out of "we need better new planes" >> Not to mention the US is the the business now of buying worse planes
mircea_popescu: btw, anyone knows the famous case of gerald ratner ?
decimation: heh I just read about it on wikipedia
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
cazalla: DreadKnight, so message the good players you pug with and put something together
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decimation: are you comparing him to this situation?
DreadKnight: cazalla, it's not as easy as it sounds
mircea_popescu: decimation in no sense.
mircea_popescu: merely a random thought
DreadKnight: cazalla, takes a few years to have a proper list of players, that's if you really care about it, remove noobs constantly
DreadKnight: and even ignore real friendships
cazalla: worked for me in lol
DreadKnight: you also need synergy
decimation: when your business model is selling baubles to idiots, it's probably not wise to point out the idiocy of bauble-buying
cazalla: DreadKnight, maybe you're just a scrub player? no offense
DreadKnight: lol doesn't have denying, no scrolls, no curiers, simpler mechanics cazalla
pigeons: dignork: yes dogeparty is just counterparty on doge, but like i said, much more useful than ethereum
mircea_popescu: decimation the funny thing about the incident is that everyone happily ignored the "your business part" and took it as gospel. "the importance of brand over quality"
DreadKnight: cazalla, scrub player? haha
cazalla: DreadKnight, it does have the same idiots who kill steal, play wrong lane, afk etc etc
dignork: pigeons: hard to compare really, trash vs. garbage :)
cazalla: so you message the good ones, start playing together, build synergy, you won't start with it from game 1
DreadKnight: cazalla, it has less things to deal with, but yeah; I hate the account system, region limitation, runes and summoner spells needing levels, LoL requires purchase of champions, basically limits you to constantly play the same 2-3 champs most of the time
decimation: yeah for instance you could hang a sign above a gasoline station saying "Gasoline is dirty" and business would not change
mircea_popescu: ;;google "hello suckers"
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cazalla: DreadKnight, it doesn't require purchase of champs at all unless you're adhd and won't stick to one role
DreadKnight: cazalla, lost a lot of games in LoL while beating the whole enemy team by myself; all mobas basically have the same issues, but LoL has a few more on top of that
danielpbarron: DreadKnight, i used to play all-stars; now i play dota2
cazalla: you're gonna lose games, even the top players only have 2:1 win/loss ratios
DreadKnight: it's rare that I win a game because of another team mate; I usually get really annoyed and tell people what are doing wrong, but not many listen
DreadKnight: forgot to mention noob team mates getting shadow blade in dota2 while there's already an invis carry in the team; or picking multiple invisible heroes *sigh*
mircea_popescu: DreadKnight you're prolly not gonna be happy or even willing to hear this, but it sounds like the problem is you.
thestringpuller: have we really gone from talking about world news to LoL in all of 20 minutes?
DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, I'm not the problem, the game sets me up with weirdos most of the time and it's bad for my health; I don't always have semi decent team mates online to play with
danielpbarron: i have fun playing dota2; my brother plays, and a few of his friends
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller way it goes.
DreadKnight: it's fun as long as you got team or don't take it seriously / not play too often
DreadKnight: anyway, don't really care to debate mobas at this hour
danielpbarron: yeah; I don't play that often anymore
cazalla: DreadKnight, ragequit more
DreadKnight: cazalla, is that your solution? :))
cazalla: no, not caring to debate at this hour = ragequit
DreadKnight: thought it was advice
DreadKnight: no, just that some people around are not into mobas and feel like we're boring or offtopic, I respect not playing moba
BingoBoingo: My favorite part of Eve online is that anyone not explicitly an ally is a potential adversary.
DreadKnight: started watching that Welcome to the Dollhouse movie someone recommended around xD
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DreadKnight: might end up writing a moba do's and don'ts guide
decimation: "brand over quality" is also an artifact of the dillution of fiat ownership
mircea_popescu: DreadKnight got a blog ?
decimation: "Consumer price indexes show negligible price changes in non-normalized accounting, not only because they are fudged and rigged, but because prices are set by dollars competing for goods. Because American spenders have fewer and fewer normalized dollars to spend every year, normalized consumer prices are also dropping. " - Mr. moldbug
DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, used to, but got popular faster then I expected and hacked a few times without backup; might get back into writing soon, without using wordpress this time
mircea_popescu: wordpress is fine, i've used it for > 5 years without issue.
BingoBoingo: DreadKnight: Wordpress is fine if used with caution appropriate for an application of its kind.
DreadKnight: made my own little blog system, no users accounts or databases, using files instead, will put it to good use soon, mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: or that.
decimation: statelessness has a quality all its own
DreadKnight: well, didn't knew much about security back then, wasn't protecting the log-in page too well against common stuff
mircea_popescu: well then. bruteforced shit pws aren't a hack.
mircea_popescu: !up lordbunson
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DreadKnight: true, but it would have been nice if wp had a timer to avoid that kind of abuse, mircea_popescu
DreadKnight: average user hears a lot of WP, but doesn't know about bruteforce and strong passwords
DreadKnight: got my own algorithm for strong passwords that are unique and that I can actually remember and type for a while now
DreadKnight: but parents don't want to share the ideology xD
mircea_popescu: homebrew crypto is often dangerous.
DreadKnight: I mean make use of it*
DreadKnight: nothing sucks more than typing a strong password on a touch screen device.
BingoBoingo: <DreadKnight> but parents don't want to share the ideology xD << Wait, how old are you?
DreadKnight: BingoBoingo, 27, but since I'm into tech, parents learned a bit from me, both are using linux for years now
BingoBoingo: !up darlidada
DreadKnight: I meant that they're not keen on complex / strong passwords
DreadKnight: seen a chart with most popular passwords... 123456 and password being top entries xD
mircea_popescu: "but parents don't want to share the ideology xD" <=> "i'm happy with it but i can't get my parents to use it themselves" ?
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BingoBoingo: DreadKnight: Well, why are you giving your parents passwords to infrastructure?
DreadKnight: BingoBoingo, I didn't said their passwords
DreadKnight: just saying that a lot of non-tech / older people tend to use weak passwords
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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: traffic should resemble people exchanging gpg messages maybe << this only works if two nodes have some 'wot' relationship.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: otherwise trivial mitm.
nubbins`: just doing up the books for july, seems we have a mystery cash surplus of $666
decimation: consider replacing irc with message passing
decimation: how do you coordinate who knows whom?
decimation: either a central server or a universal blockchain
asciilifeform: people tend to use weak passwords << this - and the famous experiment where a psychologist purchased office planktons' passwords with chocolate - is a fundamental result of people not giving a fuck. not a technical problem.
asciilifeform: obligatory:
asciilifeform: !s shall be delivered
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asciilifeform: when it turns into 'lose password and die' - some people will begin to give a fuck.
decimation: well, in that case the primary risk is the university's computer system
decimation: why should some freshman care about taxpayer assets?
mircea_popescu: nubbins`> just doing up the books for july, seems we have a mystery cash surplus of $666 << you have been clearly blessed. now if the lady's late...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform gpg has built in key signing for this reason.
mircea_popescu: decimation ^
asciilifeform: how does key signing play into this ?
mircea_popescu: if presented with traffic from alleged key, i expect it to be signed by keys i already accepted.
asciilifeform: that's the basic 'wot' idea, yes.
mircea_popescu: also, people not giving a fuck is a major technical proble,
asciilifeform: what won't work is - any node out of the box can talk to any other.
mircea_popescu: the core reason for it is that the species must perpetuate. this hinges on women not really giving a fuck.
asciilifeform: in such a scenario, stego is useless
mircea_popescu: as women started giving a fuck, fertility melted away.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform merely the fact that i reject the message doesn't say nanything about its validity.
mircea_popescu: merely it's unacceptability to me.
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asciilifeform: well ostensibly purpose of stego is 'dr evil can't tell if x is a node'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and how can he ?
mircea_popescu: “To have a nation, you must have people and you must have young people to be able to drive the economy and young people buy the products — all these gadgets and fine dining — and if you don’t have that, and you refuse migrants as the Japanese do, you will just dissolve into nothingness! I think before that comes, they may change (their) policy.” << a country which doesn't have enough gullible fools is not use
mircea_popescu: ful to the bezzlers, which means IT DOESNT EXIST O NOES
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: well, the only scenario where he can't is where a node only replies to 'friend', otherwise ignores.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform node never replies.
decimation: along the same vein
mircea_popescu: why would a node ever reply ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: right. hence 'wotcoin.'
decimation: http://www.xenosystems.net/iq-shredders/#more-3088 "How many bright Indians and bright Chinese are there, Harry? Surely they are not infinite. And what will they do in Singapore? Well, engage in the finance and marketing rat-race and depress their fertility to 0.78, wasting valuable genes just so your property prices don?t go down. Singapore is an IQ shredder."
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asciilifeform: why would a node ever reply >> if you're fetching blockchain state, vs. pushing tx
mircea_popescu: decimation this is a valid point. if i hadn't had trilema and all i did was finance i'd probably hang myself
mircea_popescu: like all the people falling on a nail gun from the 9th floor
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you shouldn't need a node for state.
mircea_popescu: you should be able to reconstruct state on your own from the sea so to speak
nubbins`: aha! found it
nubbins`: now we're only a mystery $15 over
nubbins`: which isn't much of a mystery at all
asciilifeform: japan/migrants << we'll know jp is done as a going concern when they give up and let the devils in
decimation: I think most of them would rather die then let that happen
mircea_popescu: i know a guy who moved to japan and got citizenship, i know a guy who married a very pretty japanese rosebud and settled in yurp
decimation: which might be the case
mircea_popescu: the situation in the field has justabout 0 to do with the zerohedge-esque nonsense therein discussed.
mircea_popescu: there's this cracked.com v2.0 set of websites, which pretty much live off internet-hyperbole.
asciilifeform: guy who moved to japan and got citizenship << contrary to popular belief, this is not impossible - but about same level of difficulty as getting tenured professorship at a big uni
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not that big.
mircea_popescu: i'd say it's much easier to get japanese citizenship than bitcoin citizenship
DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, so why buenos aires? "permanent"?
mircea_popescu: well, permanent. i don't do permanent, i do a few years.
asciilifeform: if i recall, you need to be very popular with the locals, collect signatures, demonstrate cash flow, etc.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ikr ?
DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, figured, that's why the quotes; job there?
mircea_popescu: DreadKnight you're talking to the only romanian billionaire. i don't jobs.
asciilifeform: incidentally, in jp it is not only legal but routine to refuse real estate deal, rentals, work, etc. to white devil.
asciilifeform: some foreigners (usa) find this very surprising
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not really from what i hear.
mircea_popescu: it is routine to refuse to deal with idiots tho
DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, considered that scenario as well, nice :)
mircea_popescu: i guess some foreigners conflate the two.
asciilifeform last informed on the subject many years ago
BingoBoingo: I need to find someone who can introduce me to one of those Chinese agencies which rents out designated white people
decimation: almost every country will welcome you if you have enough money
asciilifeform: decimation: don't confuse buying passport with making friends
mircea_popescu: decimation there's exactly two ways : one's wealth and the ability to select and hire local helpers. the other's deep knowledge and an ability to select and persuade local patrons.
mircea_popescu: you can be a scholar or you can be a merchant. what you can't be is a consumer
mircea_popescu: nobody wants those. this is surprising to nobody outside of us folk i would think.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> nobody wants those. this is surprising to nobody outside of us folk i would think. << Well considering that most US local and state level economic development projects consist of efforts to attract and create consumers... Yeah
asciilifeform: i can picture a scenario where random bozos are invited in, but with the understanding of... biodiesel, if they don't make themselves otherwise useful
asciilifeform: a la dubai.
BingoBoingo: No US town wants a factory to be useful, they want it because it employees consumers
decimation: are you saying rich fools are unwelcome ?
mircea_popescu: decimation try a mental experiment. consider very insular, outsider-hating middle america community. consider you show up there and lavish new york mannerisms and expectations upon them. lynch mob is unsurprising. consider oppositely you show up there and display an intimate knowledge of the various blood feuds underpinning their social system. suddenly everyone wants you over for sunday dinner.
decimation: yeah good point
BingoBoingo: <decimation> are you saying rich fools are unwelcome ? << Rich fools are a resource to harvest like any other until the simply become fools
mircea_popescu: decimation yes. rich fools are dangerous in the manner of the weak tower discussed earlier.
mircea_popescu: nobody really wants them that's sane.
asciilifeform: rich fool can go to the diesel pot when he goes broke, but in the meantime can work various evils
asciilifeform: !s skyscraper
DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, is your billionaire status related to bitcoins?
mircea_popescu: well yes
asciilifeform: what rich fools built? example - today's usa.
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decimation: the us is rich in rich fools, and this explains much of the common us mentality
mircea_popescu: decimation you familiar with the "the best way to sink a good start-up is a bad revenue source early on" quip ?
mircea_popescu: (it's not mine, i just put graham's idea in better wording)
decimation: yeah one observes this daily in the vc circus
mircea_popescu: well what are rich fools.
decimation: "branding over quality"
mircea_popescu: suppose rich fools (in the shape of oversexed, misguided older us women) show up in africa, with a cohort of young, undersexed male followers
mircea_popescu: they have the money to wreck communities, and they do.
mircea_popescu: i actually saw this in the act.
DreadKnight: BingoBoingo, that shows some proof of the status, but not how it came to be or maybe I'm missing something? Like OpenBSD being put to good use after... :)
mircea_popescu: (in guatemala, not in africa, but same principle.)
BingoBoingo: decimation: It isn't just the VC circus. Successful builder finds life better than ever, then buys expensive farmland to build several suburbs for people like himself and goes broke.
decimation: meanwhile the landscape is now permanently spammed with houses, which decay
DreadKnight: BingoBoingo, nvm title already contains "billionaire"
asciilifeform: Rich fools are a resource to harvest like any other until the simply become fools << dollar in the hands of billionaire is not the same as dollar in the hands of a mere mortal. just like a gram of dirt in orbit is not the same as same gram in a moon. 'quantity has a quality of its own.'
mircea_popescu: you may think that glucose is what powers life
mircea_popescu: however a half pound glucose crystal is about as perishable as plastic.
BingoBoingo: Well historically most candied things were produced as a way to preserve various foods.
BingoBoingo: Much like NaCL
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: ancient egyptian honey, famously - still edible.
decimation: destruction is so much easier than construction: therefore spending money constructively is more difficult than spending money destructively
BingoBoingo: Concentration decides whether it is a nutrient or a preservative hostile to invasive life.
mircea_popescu: ie, quantity has a quality all of its own
asciilifeform: landscape is now permanently spammed with houses << 1km or so from where i sit, thousands of condos are being built. many already put to market; not 1 in 10 is inhabited.
decimation: ascii, how much would you say you have spent building an electronics assembly house? in my neck of the woods, it's common wisdom that such assembly machines are so expensive that they cannot possibly repay themselves
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Similar here, but instead of condos "McMansions"
decimation: heh there's also the original: Bowie's levittown
asciilifeform: decimation: very little. and nothing at all from the s.nsa piggy has gone for tooling.
decimation: I guess it depends on your requirements. if you really must build 8 layer pcbs with blind vias, the equipment to accomplish that is going to cost orders of magnitude more than dual-layer stuff
asciilifeform: decimation: what little (semi) automation i have in mind, is simply to eliminate problems with prototype assembly quality (vs design) from consideration during test.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform here's something for you. who said 'Death solves all problems - no man, no problem.' ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: supposedly stalin, but in point of fact it was a fictional stalin.
BingoBoingo: Asystole is the most stable heart rhythym
asciilifeform: decimation: i've no intention of producing pcb per se at home. at this point it is in fact more expensive than chicom boards with proper solder mask, plating, etc.
asciilifeform: decimation: i occasionally etch simple 2-layer boards in kitchen, but only for quick experiments (e.g. studying particular smt component)
decimation: right, pcbs are a different matter I suppose. I'm not so sure that assembly must be so expensive, given that the pcb is outsourced
decimation: if you buy golden toliet pick 'n' place and fancy solder tools I guess it becomes extremely expensive
asciilifeform: decimation: assembly for small runs is ruinously expensive, and has logistical issues (where do the parts come from? who purchases? is there a vig?)
decimation: the real issue is that you need a non-drug-addicted human to run the machines
decimation: and do rework when required
decimation: ascii have you driven on "MD200" (the ICC)
decimation: monument to spamming roads/homes pointlessly around landscape
BingoBoingo: Ah, around here one need not drive on a fancy road to find spammed homes. Even the barely paved have domicile spam.
assbot: Minimalist HTTP Daemon Activated in Base
decimation: is it going to replace bloated apache?
BingoBoingo: decimation: They already cut Apache from base in favor of nginx, this is more it seems a still more basic alternative to nginx for people that desire it
DreadKnight: I still hope that someday php will be usable system wide, like python, not just in a specific directory
BingoBoingo: DreadKnight: It can already be used like the question though is why?
DreadKnight: BingoBoingo, portability and easier workflow
BingoBoingo: DreadKnight: What is insufficiently portable about C, python, Julia, Fortran 77, or Scheme?
DreadKnight: BingoBoingo, I'm talking php
DreadKnight: python is fine
BingoBoingo: DreadKnight: I know you want to talk about ======== php, but... What use would you find about an HTML generation language that would make it great for the whole system?
BingoBoingo: I'm just curious, also a little bit drunk and trollish for full disclosure.
DreadKnight: BingoBoingo, I could just share source code with someone and it would be easier for him to run it; I could start working on a dynamically generated website on my computer in any folder
BingoBoingo: I'm just trying to get over PHP is your prefered language and Bending Wordpress to your will seems intimidating.
DreadKnight: when it comes to linux and php, if you want to work inside dropbox as well, you have to deal with symlink, permission rights, logic and such
BingoBoingo: Is dropbox still a thing?
DreadKnight: I'm using git inside dropbox while working on websites
DreadKnight: why wouldn't dropbox still be a thing? :P
DreadKnight: not everyone will use amazon cloud thing
BingoBoingo: Wait Amazon is still a thing too???
DreadKnight: good thing you made a disclaimer earlier :D
mircea_popescu: julia ?!
mircea_popescu: DreadKnight php is not too popular here, following a total bashing it got a few months ago over some bizarre design choices and (i suspect) the fact tux loved it.
DreadKnight: considering ditching it for python myself just because python doesn't care about a special folder
mircea_popescu: how does php care about a special folder ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Julia's some clojure like re-LISPening that is apparently getting played with in HPC and science computing circles
DreadKnight: on linux you need to have stuff in that /var/www or do some symlinking
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i know but i mean... portability right ?
mircea_popescu: DreadKnight you mean so apache will serve the pages remotely ?
DreadKnight: could probably change some setting, but not many will do that
DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, want to generate pages locally
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I just guessing off of the name that Julia has a vagina API call, and vaginas are accomodating to nearly anything given sufficient time to warm up
asciilifeform: php << why ?!
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