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BingoBoingo: Rassah: Actual brain hacking is much harder than it first sppears
asciilifeform: interesting how business model where strangers can reach in and take money from your pocket can carry on.
asciilifeform: (how? captive audience. who wants to pay a fat monthly fee for a remote sensor? so you're stuck with these.)
BingoBoingo: At least with the prepaid model if the carrier pisses you of, the shredder is a viable solution to device difficulties
nubbins`: so in the wedding planning world, a "save the date" card is a thing
dub: was wondering wtf you are on about until I noticed you said you pay to recieve traffic (wtf?)
kakobrekla: you pay for incoming sms ?
nubbins`: it's like an invitation, but subtly different
dub: never seen that one
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: but where do you flee? they're all identical.
nubbins`: it's sort of like a pre-announcement
nubbins`: to use a btc analogy
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Not for the privacy part, for the billing tyranny
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: in usa, afaik all prepaid 'sim' vendors charge for both directions
dub: thats fucked
kakobrekla: retarded is what it is.
BingoBoingo: They do indeed charge both ways, but it is still at least half the price of actual service.
BingoBoingo: Often cheaper than [Insert President] Phone plans
dub: it'd be cheaper for me to buy a burner with sim included than just sim
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: less than 1/10 the price of the cheapest 'actual' service. but, given that spammers exist, the cost is non-deterministic
asciilifeform: which is annoying in the extreme.
dub: still only $20-30 with some credit included
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'm starting to get curious. Do you really get that many SMS spammers?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: enough to be annoyed
kakobrekla: ascii your service provder is selling out to spammers ? tried switching to another ?
asciilifeform: my new hypothesis is that all cellular carriers that market to 'almost never uses account' folks make their dough on spam.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: tried a number of carriers for this application. noticed this pattern.
dub: now that I think about it, I once bought an LTE modem with sim and $50 credit for $50
BingoBoingo: Last SMS spam I got was 3 phone numbers ago
asciilifeform: dub: what's it cost per year?
dub: nothing, no contract
asciilifeform: dub: no, per year of actually being reachable
dub: uh its 3Gb for $50
asciilifeform: dub: we're talking about an unattended telemetry gizmo
dub: right, it wouldnt cost
asciilifeform: dub: vendor?
dub: dubistani specific one
asciilifeform: dub: every carrier i know of save the ones described above deduct $positive_integer per $time_period
dub: theres a sim in mrs dubs ipad that hasnt had credit on it since.. whenever ipad2 dropped 3+ years? still registers on the network fine
asciilifeform: dub: is this a formal arrangement, or a fortuitous accident? (e.g. 'comcast' once gave me ~2 years of service gratis. by virtue of sheer ineptness.)
dub: its standard product
asciilifeform: device-locked?
dub: no, its a burner sim
kakobrekla: from the ghetto streets.
asciilifeform: if anyone knows of equivalent in usa, speak up.
kakobrekla: isnt dub in usa?
dub: lolno
dub: im banned from usa in fact :)
dub: not that I would want to go back
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: If you want pure cell phone and SMS service Carlos Slim's Tracphone is the cheapest option
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: they sell non-devicelocked sim ?
BingoBoingo: Next cheapest and my current option is AT&T go phone
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Their sims are very device locked
kuzetsa: huh
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: and both carriers you mentioned charge $posint / mo.
kakobrekla: dub yurop?
kuzetsa: I guess assbot shares the same database as gribble, neat
asciilifeform: we're talking about a gadget that powers up and sends a single 'sms' every blue moon.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: But device cost is low and every similar device must be treated as a turd anyways
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: For asciilifeform> we're talking about a gadget that powers up and sends a single 'sms' every blue moon. << You can pay $ int every year.
BingoBoingo: Less than ideal, but...
dub: kakobrekla: neg
BingoBoingo: For the cost of keeping a phone alive on the network I dunno of anything cheaper than Tracfone in the US
dub: satphones have prepay options iirc
dub: cost probably negates benefit, and you'd need sky
cazalla: re: salt, what is it with chinks and magic salt, had missus bff coming around with himalayan salt trying to scam me under the guise of it being great for baby
dub: idk, I recall a theory that abnormally high iodine levels in the japanese contributes to their well above average longevity
dub: (most western table salt has iodine removed)
cazalla: they add it to salt, bread etc etc here
cazalla: actually, bread is folic acid, yet these women don't have babies
dub: along with all manner of soy poisons and cow extracts
dub: ;;google cows in the bread
gribble: Grain Overload/ Acidosis - LEA-White Farms Registered Highland ...: <http://www.leawhitefarms.com/grainoverloadacidosis.htm>; Processed Bread - Feeds Marketing: <http://www.feedsmarketing.co.uk/processed-bread>; List of cattle breeds - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cattle_breeds>
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Every living thing of note uses folate
BingoBoingo: About as close as Bio gets to having a level 0 standard
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> the device receives sms spam. << yup
cazalla: i won't pretend to know much about it other than what i said, law states they must add it to bread here, marketed to help the fetus yet women aren't falling pregnant, sounds more like a marketing pitch - here's a donut with folate, any excuse to buy it
dub: like fluoride, its all about reptillian seeding
mircea_popescu: <dub> not that I would want to go back << omg #bitcoin-extradition
nubbins`: <+dub> (most western table salt has iodine removed)
nubbins`: you can buy non-iodized salt?
mircea_popescu: <dub> idk, I recall a theory that abnormally high iodine levels in the japanese contributes to their well above average longevity << fukushima makes sense nao.
dub: funnily some time in teh 90's as I recall they started not taking it out and advertising as iodized
trasyhhh151: command for change nick is /msg NickServ nick name?
trasyhhh151: struggling here
dub: no /nick newnick
nubbins`: incidentally, if anyone's interested, this is what a "save the date" looks like: http://imgur.com/KxD5W0m
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6586 @ 0.000802 = 5.282 BTC [-]
dub: I have a similarly gatsby themed one on my fridge
nubbins`: deco is the new deco
nubbins`: is yours a real invite or a pre-invite?
dub: this is an invite but i've had pre-invites before
nubbins`: strange thing, hey
dub: not uncommon here but I don't really get it
dub: if you know when, why not skip straight to the invite proper
nubbins`: I KNOW RIGHT
nubbins`: these people
nubbins`: i struggle to understand living a life so bereft of meaning that blowing your wad on a $50k one-off party is the culmination of your aspirations
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5089 @ 0.00080051 = 4.0738 BTC [-]
nubbins`: i mean, y'know, wedding invitations for sale
nubbins`: srsly
dub: been to a couple of weddings involving several thousand dollars worth of international travel and accom for the guests, one of those had a save-the-date (STD?)
dub: since such things are frequently cheapest booked earliest
asciilifeform: life so bereft of meaning that blowing your wad on a $50k one-off party is the culmination << next: seppuku parties. save the date!
nubbins`: oddly enough, this job came to us via a trendy downtown ad agency
nubbins`: asciilifeform please join steve and kristy as they ritually disembowel themselves! transportation to and from event provided
asciilifeform: nubbins`: does kristy get an 'apple corer' ?
dub: asciilifeform: expense of travel may be offset by reduced attendees, one couple claimed to have saved considerably
nubbins`: it was the only thing on the gift registry that i felt comfortable buying
dub: he is one of 14 kids
dub: sorry, his mother is
dub: upshot, 90% of his family couldnt make it
asciilifeform: only thing on the gift registry that i felt comfortable buying << lol, i suggested it as the actual instrument of sepukku
benkay: <mircea_popescu> mike_c stop opposing progress and an end to oppression. // hey have you guys heard about this ICBC auto insurance monopoly in BC?
benkay: nubbins`: is there an auto insurance monopoly in your corner of the great untamed communist north?
TheNewDeal: tell us more benkay
benkay: icbc
benkay: it's a monopoly
benkay: service sucks
benkay: what else do you want?
TheNewDeal: how did they become a monopoly
nubbins`: benkay, nope
TheNewDeal: it's just like the game - no one cares about the ending, it's how you get there
benkay: pediwiki: "By law, any vehicle registered and driven or parked on public streets in British Columbia must purchase ICBC's basic insurance package from an independent broker. "
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell danielpbarron Checking out my KoL inventory... What sorts of uncommon things might you be interested in pricing...
gribble: The operation succeeded.
danielpbarron: BingoBoingo, there are so many items.. if you could get a screenshot or something..
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Well, time trappings, the whole outfit.
danielpbarron: BingoBoingo, you might be better off selling it in the mall; I'm not really interested in buying stuff for BTC, if that's what you meant
danielpbarron: with the time trappings, the key is to use a wand to transform them into whatever item is selling for the most
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Well, meat or BTC. I'd rather keep the trio together. TIme limited content and all that.
dub: KoL?
danielpbarron: 20:43:11 <+mircea_popescu> why do all the supposed payments end in .9997 ? << if it's anything like the counterparty burn for xcp, the software puts a limit on 1 BTC per burn, and their reason was to make it harder for whales to burn a huge amount too easily (to make it "more fair" for the little guys)
danielpbarron: BingoBoingo, if you're getting back into playing, the time set is a nice thing to have; it's one of the most efficient ways to get extra adventures per day
danielpbarron: you can get more efficient by ditching the hat and pants for other stuff, but the sword is the best hand held item for that purpose (i think)
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: It was indeed a nice pull from storage, but... Everything in this world is negotiable... And the set together has an added bonus
danielpbarron: right, what i mean is, you can exceed that bonus with other gear, but we're talking about a difference of a few adventures per day
benkay: asciilifeform: regarding pumps, would a peristaltic work?
benkay: ;;gettrust assbot Rassah
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask Rassah!~quassel@2601:a:f80:551:beae:c5ff:fe45:db9e. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Rassah: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=Rassah | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Rassah | Rated since: Fri Jun 3 23:49:22 2011
assbot: Tetris music on Stepper Motors! - YouTube
benkay: ;;gettrust kuzetsa
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask kuzetsa!znc@wikipedia/kuzetsa. Trust relationship from user benkay to user kuzetsa: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=kuzetsa | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=kuzetsa | Rated since: Sun Jul 15 14:54:23 2012
benkay: ;;gettrust assbot kuzetsa
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask kuzetsa!znc@wikipedia/kuzetsa. Trust relationship from user assbot to user kuzetsa: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=kuzetsa | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=kuzetsa | Rated since: Sun Jul 15 14:54:23 2012
benkay: kuzetsa: uses gribbles db, actually. if you've got a +1 from someone in assbot's wot, you can self-up as you've discovered.
benkay: light coupling, wot wot
benkay: <dub> if you know when, why not skip straight to the invite proper // this is what happens when you let the wimmins manage projects without oversight
benkay: <nubbins`> i struggle to understand living a life so bereft of meaning that blowing your wad on a $50k one-off party is the culmination of your aspirations // that's why they demand consummation immediately afterwards, to keep the void filled
asciilifeform: benkay: i considered peristaltic. turns out, others have tried - they end up 'burping'
asciilifeform: benkay: which is a shame, because old medical pumps are a dime a dozen on 'ebay.'
benkay: 'burping'?
benkay: asciilifeform: 'burping'?
asciilifeform: benkay: smallest 'quantum' of pumpage ends up being rather large.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 39 @ 0.0131 = 0.5109 BTC [+]
benkay: ah, makes sense.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20591 @ 0.00080065 = 16.4862 BTC [+]
assbot: Canon in D major - in stepper motor - YouTube
assbot: We are the champions - YouTube
assbot: Rachmaninov Prelude in g minor - Op. 23 No. 5 - Gilels - YouTube
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 35 @ 0.16 = 5.6 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Ah, I see the time set declined in value as well due to competitive alternatives existing nao
danielpbarron: BingoBoingo, yeah; the petrified time item is worth a lot more now since it's impossible to reverse the conversion
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Well, it was always worth more than any part, but... Back in the say the set used to be a 100+ million meat sort of deal
BingoBoingo: Fuck, BTC would have been a better investment
danielpbarron: my hemp backpack lost a lot of value when they implemented the back inventory slot and released an official mr. store style backback :<
danielpbarron: went from nearly 100 million meat down to 30 something million now
nubbins`: i uh
nubbins`: oh, you're talking about a game
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: On the plus side ignoring the thing for 6+ years means there's new content nao at least
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Didn't you get the memo that BTC is money for games?
nubbins`: i thought btc was the game
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: BTC is the game that binds all other games
nubbins`: you're saying these things are MONEY?!
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Nah, I'm saying games are connected by games nao.
BingoBoingo: Games all the way down.
nubbins`: right, right
danielpbarron: i sent Jick a message for him to answer on his podcast, telling him he should accept BTC for Mr. A's; he shot it down and mostly focused on the "tone" i used
danielpbarron: then I started trying to buy/sell meat for BTC in the game's official chat; got a message from Multi Czar telling me i'd get my account disabled if i continued..
danielpbarron: even though their terms of use don't explicitly forbid buying/selling meat
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 15 @ 0.16 = 2.4 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Well, think more like mircea_popescu and what he did with Eve. You can trade shares of 1BTC corp for S.MPOE shares. Maybe start a 1BTMeat clan?
danielpbarron: i've got the counterparty thing; i think that is far enough removed from the act of buying/selling meat
danielpbarron: and I don't promote it in-game
danielpbarron: most users of KoL are pretty hostile to BTC anyway; there is a very strong socialist bent in there
BingoBoingo: Eh, most times you encounter a mass of people they will be opposed to you. That's what the whole girding your loins stuff in the old books is about.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 212 @ 0.00274866 = 0.5827 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: !up Duffer1
moiety: !up drawingthesun
moiety: ;;later tell asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-07-2014#765262 << one of my favourite pieces of music, I collect canons. that's brilliant!
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
gribble: The operation succeeded.
Naphex: hey all o/ back from vacation
fluffypony: omg Naphex
fluffypony: I thought you died
Naphex: lol no
Naphex: been on vacation in ibz for 1 week
Naphex: tried to be disconnected
fluffypony: awesome
fluffypony: how was it?
Naphex: pretty fun and amaizingly nothing happend while i was gone :P
Naphex: got to sunbake, drink and party some for 1 week
fluffypony: awesome
fluffypony: Etherium presale already over 3000 BTC
fluffypony: trainwreck coming
fluffypony: "- We reserve the right to use up to 5000 BTC from the pre-sale while the pre-sale is running in order to speed up development."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 16 @ 0.15730001 = 2.5168 BTC [+]
assbot: Apple Responds, Contributes Little | Jonathan Zdziarski's Domain
moiety: hi naphex, wb, hope you had a great holiday :]
Naphex: hey moiety, thanks - I did :D
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 390 @ 0.15450349 = 60.2564 BTC [-] {19}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 192 @ 0.00272396 = 0.523 BTC [+]
assbot: Im crying with joy over here, my toes are curling in untold glee, I have little doubt that I shall live to see this, all of it. : Buttcoin
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 358 @ 0.00144581 = 0.5176 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 273 @ 0.00256402 = 0.7 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 26 @ 0.02890175 = 0.7514 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19323 @ 0.00080673 = 15.5884 BTC [+]
BigBitz: !up Guest73329
BigBitz: Guest73329 has something to say - apparently :)
Guest73329: Hey all. Theymos automatically bans anyone who posts his dox on bitcointalk.org -- to demonstrate simply paste http://pastie.org/9414192 in a reply, and your account will automatically be banned.
assbot: Private Paste - Pastie
BigBitz: Banning people who post his own private information is not that much of a shock, Guest73329.
pankkake: it's ok for others, though
pankkake: even if inaccurate
dub: considering all the other shit theymos will go up against the wall for..
Guest73329: pankkake: He's absolutely OK with all dox except his own.
davout: ohai
davout: was the new mpex key advertised anywhere ?
dub: new domain? only here that I noticed
dub: (i think its an artifact of mp having fucked up DNS for the old one somehow)
davout: dub: i found http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-07-2014#763531 i'm after something that's signed tho
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
dub: try teh faq
dub: its where the new key is, I assume that is signed
davout: not signed :-)
dub: the mpex key should be signed by mp
jurov: dub it is
jurov: not in the faq, but on the keyserver
jurov: !up anthor
assbot: Search results for '0x02dd2d91'
jurov: !up Guest82296
jurov: !up saulimus
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17002 @ 0.00081189 = 13.8038 BTC [+]
davout: jurov: oic ty :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31705 @ 0.00080519 = 25.5285 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: mircea_popescu:thickasthieves feel like running whatever that is ? /// what is what?
ThickAsThieves: mircea_popescu:canada hasn't had a good musician since cohen visited and the us... //// Propagandhi, Neil Young, Greg MacPherson, The Weakerthans
fluffypony: Bryan Adams, Celine Dion, Justin Bieber
ThickAsThieves: mircea_popescu:BingoBoingo i saw some on tat's link too /// ah, it seems my post was simply moved from /r/bitcoin, a mod even posted he was mad at all the non-bitcoin-related posts yesterdya
ThickAsThieves: nubbins`:incidentally, if anyone's interested, this is what a "save the date" looks like: http://imgur.com/KxD5W0m /// not bad
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
assbot: Zoologger: Moose dribble turns off grass's toxic defences - life - 23 July 2014 - New Scientist
ThickAsThieves: "- We reserve the right to use up to 5000 BTC from the pre-sale while the pre-sale is running in order to speed up development." lol so were they gonna just sit on their thumbs otherwise?
fluffypony: apparently
fluffypony: for 45 days
fluffypony: now instead they're goign to party
punkman: I liked this part: "EthSuisse will be liquidated shortly after creation of genesis block, and EthSuisse anticipates (but does not guarantee) that after it is dissolved the Ethereum Platform will continue to be developed by persons and entities who support Ethereum, including both volunteers and developers who are paid by nonprofit entities interested in supporting the Ethereum Platform."
ThickAsThieves: ethsuisse?
pankkake: so basically "kthxbye"
thestringpuller: so long and thanks for all the fish
ThickAsThieves: why did etherium wait so long to sell this anyway, their hype is like 6mos old already
punkman: 4k btc already
punkman: "WARNING: DO NOT PURCHASE ETH IF YOU ARE NOT AN EXPERT IN DEALING WITH CRYPTOGRAPHIC TOKENS AND BLOCKCHAIN-BASED SOFTWARE SYSTEMS"
ThickAsThieves: ok so EthSuisse is basically the team
ThickAsThieves: and the team says they will liquidate without hesitation and leave the work to the community at will
ThickAsThieves: pretty awesome
ThickAsThieves: punkman i quote dthat same line yesterday, a great one
punkman: this ToS of theirs is full of gems
punkman: (and typos)
punkman: "It is possible that the Ethereum Platform will not be used by a large number of external businesses, individuals, and other organizations and that there will be limited public interest in the creation and development of distributed applications. Such a lack of interest could impact the development of the Ethereum Platform and potential uses of ETH. "
assbot: The Nostalgia Machine
ThickAsThieves: "Cryptography is an art, not a science."
pankkake: what the lol
ThickAsThieves: lol they also warn of victimofsuccessery "If the Ethereum Platform is rapidly adopted, the demand for ETH could rise dramatically and at a pace that exceeds the rate with which ETH miners can create new ETH tokens. Under such a scenario, the entire Ethereum Platform could become destabilized, due to the increased cost of running distributed applications. In turn, this could dampen
ThickAsThieves: interest in the Ethereum Project and ETH."
punkman: "ETH, the Ethereum Platform’s cryptofuel"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.15 = 0.6 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: dub no playall :(
ThickAsThieves: the solar system we got is officially making more than we are using :)
ThickAsThieves: lol, bad choice of words
ThickAsThieves: solar system
jurov: someone has hyperactive imagination there
assbot: What Millennials Want That Their Boomer Parents Hate - 1
jurov: i'm not out of lulz, just got another phish "from bitcointalk". they even went into trouble of photoshopping theymos' account: http://s8.postimg.org/j399erbpx/ads.jpg
ThickAsThieves: so many meaningless numbers and words in that article
ThickAsThieves: "I realize that the costs of these things will rise—prices always rise. It would just be nice if our salaries rose enough to pay for them." wish harder.
ThickAsThieves: pankkake i cant even suss what that article ia actually about
pankkake: mainstream media prepping the general public for inflation
ThickAsThieves: TLDR = Inflation and Babies Happen and Here are Some Words Saying So
pankkake: wow, those shop skillz
ThickAsThieves: wow i'm scrolling through these Money articles on time.com and it
ThickAsThieves: s like 1984 in here
ThickAsThieves: all propaganda to the max
ThickAsThieves: "These 3 Companies Can Raise Prices Without Losing Your Business"
ThickAsThieves: "Free Jamocha Shakes at Arby’s on Wednesday" (dafuck?)
ThickAsThieves: "How to Convert a Summer Internship Into a Full-Time Job" (work for free plz!)
pankkake: we're having it all here. deflation would be catastrophic, there's not enough inflation, lowering prices is bad (currently used to forbid competitors and favor existing cartels)
ThickAsThieves: "Save 15% of pay for 30 years and you will be fine, a new study shows. Save for longer, and it gets much easier."
ThickAsThieves: pretty ugly
cazalla: whyareyousobutthurt = pankkake, right? :P
pankkake: cazalla: yes, it's the account I have at work
pankkake: good job
pankkake: I mean, from you
cazalla: only cause i saw that time link here and then 2 seconds later on reddit heh
cazalla: this is some top keks
ThickAsThieves: Sexy Saffron appears to be parlaying it up
cazalla: pankkake, i eagerly await the day coblee turns from saint to pariah
chetty: ThickAsThieves, you dose with bicarbonate to read things like time.com?
ThickAsThieves: i dont "read" time.com
ThickAsThieves: i skim it for glitches in the matrix
mircea_popescu: hey moiety!
mircea_popescu: dub: this is an invite but i've had pre-invites before << wtf is this invite to invite, ask to ask, meta bullshit anyway ?
mircea_popescu: do they send out "mr schmukersson will impulsively fuck mrs schmukersson thursday, august 15th around 7:12 pm, your presence is kindly solicited" spam too ?
mircea_popescu: bah im fucking late to the party
mircea_popescu: yo peoples! YOU SHOULD HAVE SAVED MY DATE!
pankkake: uh, I got some altcoins to 1MPGRCrbib3aFGtTCLF5nADZcLEAgdTu7E
pankkake: someone made a mistake?
Pierre_Rochard: ;;rate princessnell 1 Rays fan
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user princessnell has been recorded.
mircea_popescu: benkay: hey have you guys heard about this ICBC auto insurance monopoly in BC? << kinda why i was so lulzed out at the entire "icbc is in pink sheets" nyse debacle.
mircea_popescu: that thing's probably worth more than the whole us atm.
mircea_popescu: ;;rated princessnell
gribble: You rated user princessnell on Thu Jun 12 00:45:23 2014, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: She's smart..
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron: << if it's anything like the counterparty burn for xcp << supposedly this is not a burn, they intend to spend it.
mircea_popescu: benkay: this is what happens when you let the wimmins manage projects without oversight << word, seriously. and you should see what happens when you let them manage kids w/o oversight.
assbot: GPG Contracts | Satoshi Nakamoto Institute
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron: i sent Jick a message for him to answer on his podcast, telling him he should accept BTC for Mr. A's; he shot it down and mostly focused on the "tone" i used << incredible the gall of these fuckwits.
mircea_popescu: here's nobody doing nothing, and he has like... opinions on bitcoin and issues with tone and whatnot ?
mircea_popescu: we need a bigger jail.
mircea_popescu: chetty yeah, the guys asked for permission to republish
chetty: <mircea_popescu> benkay: this is what happens when you let the wimmins manage projects without oversight << word, seriously. and you should see what happens when you let them manage kids w/o oversight.// yeah you get adults
mircea_popescu: Naphex so how was vacation ? new gf ?
mircea_popescu: chetty not you. women.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: "- We reserve the right to use up to 5000 BTC from the pre-sale while the pre-sale is running in order to speed up development." << funny they didn't reserve it before the fucking thing started.
mircea_popescu: translation : "that asshole mp is putting pressure on our liquidity providers (what, you didn't think we OWNED the btc we're presenting as having been invested by third parties ?!) and so we won't be able to keep the charade up without recirculating some capital. sorry!"
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mircea_popescu: pankkake hehehe "btc did it
mircea_popescu: "Dear lord this is absolutely fucking grade-A insane. I had to read that first paragraph 4 times just because I just couldn't believe somebody would ever intentionally write something so convoluted. And it doesn't improve as the paper continues. In all seriousness, this reads almost exactly like the deranged manifestos that are left behind by school shooters, that is the vibe I get from whatever the fuck you want to ca
mircea_popescu: ll this"
mircea_popescu: i suppose the word he's looking for is "terrorism"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there you go. it was not stalin's fault. the people wanted, nay, the people needed it. all of it.
mike_c: sometimes this channel is a sausage fest. save the date's are very reasonable. you don't have all the details figured out, but you know the day and don't want people to book something else.
mircea_popescu: "A verbose and condescending essay written by a child who has never encountered true malice or been hungry in his whole life." << o, "you've never been hungry thus what you have to say is unimportant". because yeah, that's true value : to find out from the frequently hungry how they dun it!
pankkake: > I work in the adult comic industry and we sometimes publish furry comics (anthropomorphic people) and we frequently get taking down by banks and payment processors for distributing "bestiality."
mircea_popescu: mike_c how do you know the date if you don';t have other things (presumably, the girl ?) figured out ?
pankkake: oh god, furries coming to bitcoin
mircea_popescu: afaik it goes like this : pick a girl, pick a date, party.
mike_c: hahaha.
mircea_popescu: pankkake no that's quite old.
Pierre_Rochard: chetty: please let us know if you have any other candidates for republication
mike_c: no. 1) pick a girl. 2) she picks the date
mike_c: 3) she starts planning for 6 months
mircea_popescu: mike_c you're not picking a girl then.
mike_c: 4) party
mike_c: hm, that is a point
mike_c: who would want to marry a girl?
mircea_popescu: ask around :D
mike_c: full-grown woman is enough to manage.
mircea_popescu: why'd you marry a full grown woman ?
ThickAsThieves: my brother got surprise-eloped last week
mircea_popescu: they ran out of friendship cards in your town ?
mike_c: mircea_popescu: tax benefits.
mircea_popescu: trying to fix a problem with the town through marriage is not unlike trying to fix poor reception by holding the antenna in certain ways or a malfunctioning computer by running the tap nearby.
chetty: <Pierre_Rochard> chetty: please let us know if you have any other candidates for republication// trilema is a gold mine
mircea_popescu: davout: was the new mpex key advertised anywhere ? << in faq and linked here.
mircea_popescu: Pierre_Rochard the SA reddit subsection thinks you suck nao.
davout: mircea_popescu: yea, saw the link here but i was missing the signature bit
mircea_popescu: it's signed itself (there's a link to the pgp sks infrastructure with my signature on it)
mircea_popescu: a nm jurov said so. sorry, im parsing the logs rather than compiling them.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how about this btw ? when confronted with the logs, i naturally settled on parsing rather than compiling. is this because im stupid or is this beause parsing is better ?
benkay: low investment upfront for middling-to-poor performance.
benkay: ;)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you might have been thinking of 'interpret'
Pierre_Rochard: chetty: it is, I’ve been reading through as much as I can to see which articles are especially crypto/econ/bitcoin centered like GPG Contracts (and obvs to learn & think)
mircea_popescu: i go through it one ;line at a time and comment. sometimes this results in redundancy
asciilifeform: i suspect that most of us do this.
ThickAsThieves: cuz we wish we were there
ThickAsThieves: so we pretend
ThickAsThieves: and no one minds
benkay: wait ethsuisse? waht is this?
ThickAsThieves: its the dev team
asciilifeform: ;;later tell moiety shame that modern pc includes no addressable stepper motor. but if you own, e.g. a scanner, you can still play this beautiful music...
gribble: The operation succeeded.
kakobrekla: or a floppy
asciilifeform: ;;later tell moiety a true maestro will play, say, j.s. bach, correctly! that is, gigantic lift motors for the low octaves, little floppy drive head drivers for the highest.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: <ThickAsThieves> so we pretend << srsly.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell moiety further example, if you liked - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2UmkfixRH8
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gribble: The operation succeeded.
mthreat: asciilifeform: the first IBM PC had some kind of relay, you could access it with the BASIC instruction "MOTOR ON" or "MOTOR OFF". If you turned it on and off in a loop, it was a buzzer.
asciilifeform: mthreat: the floppy.
kakobrekla: is this thing on?
cazalla: pankkake, that address is what BingoBoingo gave me to send ATC
mthreat: asciilifeform: I don't remember, maybe, but it sounded like a relay...
benkay: hi kakobrekla
pankkake: well, he has the private key, but I have it too. not smart :p
kakobrekla: a ok works . hi benkay .
mircea_popescu: pankkake: mainstream media prepping the general public for inflation << precisely.
mthreat: asciilifeform: cassette drive motor possibly
mircea_popescu: nothing lulzier than watching teh propaganda machine trying to spin utter failure into being chic, hip, and what these blasted youngsters want.
mircea_popescu: <pankkake> well, he has the private key, but I have it too. not smart :p << omg BingoBoingo WHAT HAVE YOU DUN NAO
pankkake: unfortunately there's no easy way to remove an address from bitcoin-qt
pankkake: and armory has a "swipe" feature, too
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves: Sexy Saffron appears to be parlaying it up << the sign of a smart girl. you only need give a little push.
nubbins`: where i come from, you're not cool unless your money is worth less today than it was yesterday
mthreat: nubbins`: that's a lot of places
mthreat: starbucks raised their prices in Buenos Aires again yesterday. Since December 2013, the coffee I get has gone from 30 to 44 pesos
mircea_popescu: mthreat why do you drink starbucks tho ?
fluffypony: Pheeva put a TV ad out, it's actually kinda decent:
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mthreat: mircea_popescu: because i don't know good vs. bad coffee probably, and it's the 2nd closest after Cafe Martinez (probably worse)
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mircea_popescu: mthreat i've never paid more than about 25 or so for coffee myself, and never had a bad cup yet.
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mircea_popescu: had some pretty good, not much of a coffee drinker myself, but i mean... they prolly import their shit.
cazalla: i wouldn't use pheeva on account the dev is fat albert
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mthreat: mircea_popescu: I get the "venti" (20oz) size
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Pierre_Rochard: princessnell: thanks! mircea_popescu: permission to republish? In general longer/older/timeless articles go to the literature section, shorter/newer/“current events” go to the Memory Pool.
nubbins`: mthreat: do yourself a favor and stop drinking charbucks
nubbins`: you may be surprised to learn that coffee has a taste
cazalla: hipster baristas up in here
nubbins`: crikey mate, you have hipsters down under?
cazalla: i live in the capital of hipsters, feminists, greenies in australia :\
nubbins`: knowing what i know about you, this must drive you to the brink of suicide each day
mircea_popescu: aite, gotta do some meetings nao. bbl all.
cazalla: nubbins`, i'll out and see them do it first
cazalla: hold out*
nubbins`: that's my boy
kakobrekla: !up equex
kakobrekla: GOOD MORNING EQUEX
nubbins`: "i live in a place with stylish young people, independent women, and those who care about our natural environment. it's a real drag."
cazalla: they are none of those things though
nubbins`: to you, sure
cazalla: if they cared about their environment, they'd at least grow veg and raise their own meat at bare minimum
nubbins`: just like you're not a reasonable adult worthy of dignity and respect... to them
nubbins`: is that the bare minimum tho?
cazalla: if they were independent, they wouldn't need handouts while undertaking women's studies
nubbins`: raising your own meat?
cazalla: i think so
nubbins` raises his own eyebrow
cazalla: although if you asked any of them, they'd tell you i'm running rabbit auschwitz here
nubbins`: you know raising meat animals in the first place isn't particularly great for the environment
nubbins`: hm, china received $34m in foreign aid from canada in 2012
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pankkake: $56M to Russia
ThickAsThieves: NSFW you meant
cazalla: depends where you work eh
ThickAsThieves: well they didnt invent NSFW for sex workers
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mthreat: !b 3
nubbins`: $65m to gaza & west bank
cazalla: china and russia given aid, shows how little i know
mike_c: "So more economic growth (spurred on by more borrowing and spending) would help alleviate low wage growth" .. and i'm done.
rithm: seemed safe to me
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ThickAsThieves: "Before he started college, he spent most of his time reading and writing short stories. Three years later, he’s painfully insecure, worrying about things my public-educated friends don’t give a second thought to, like the stigma of eating lunch alone and whether he’s “networking” enough. "
pankkake: “Return on investment”: that’s the phrase you often hear today when people talk about college.
pankkake: college graduates are bagholders
benkay: <chetty> <mircea_popescu> benkay: this is what happens when you let the wimmins manage projects without oversight << word, seriously. and you should see what happens when you let them manage kids w/o oversight.// yeah you get adults // team effort, anyone?
nubbins`: the stigma of eating lunch alone
nubbins`: i tell ya, worlds you didn't know existed
benkay: <mircea_popescu> <pankkake> well, he has the private key, but I have it too. not smart :p << omg BingoBoingo WHAT HAVE YOU DUN NAO // yeah, i'm also curious as to what's going on here
benkay: morning, bitcoinpete
bitcoinpete: howdy benkay
benkay: how was pottery?
pankkake: I gave the private key to MP at a time I wasn't sure I could even transfer the coins in a timely manner
pankkake: so the private key is now known to multiple people
pankkake: and in multiple bitcoin clients
bitcoinpete: benkay: my hands are still stained from the autumn leaves glaze
pankkake: (well, altcoin)
benkay: gotcha.
benkay: this rescanning the blockchain thing is a total bitch, isn't it?
bitcoinpete: benkay: but for it being my first time on the wheel in a close to 15 years, quite well :D
benkay: what, after all, is the point of a "database" if one's not going to actually organize data in a useful fashion within?
benkay: <pankkake> unfortunately there's no easy way to remove an address from bitcoin-qt // delete from wallet.dat? or is that not actually a text file?
ThickAsThieves: bitcoinpete, unless i need more coffee, mp isnt allowing people to short ETH, he's allowing them to long it
pankkake: it's a Berkeley DB file
pankkake: there are tools to edit it, though
ThickAsThieves: they get more ETH for their money now
benkay: what an unmitigated goddamned disaster.
ThickAsThieves: but MP doesnt buy it til later
bitcoinpete: ThickAsThieves: they get more later
ThickAsThieves: some would have to lend ETH to short it
bitcoinpete: mp is selling eth
ThickAsThieves: who's lending?
bitcoinpete: not me ;)
benkay: <princessnell> Pierre_Rochard also probably WoT lit // woterotica
ThickAsThieves: so no way to short it
benkay: 'cept the classic popescuian naked short
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bitcoinpete: benkay: lol
bitcoinpete: pretty sure he has his ways
benkay: 70% odds it's a naked short.
ThickAsThieves: i still dont see how I get to short ETH by entering MP's future offer
benkay: mp's going short, and offering to sell the thing to anyone at a future date below what it's selling for now.
benkay: if mp's going short, how can you go short by taking the other side of his trade?
ThickAsThieves: this is my point
benkay: who's claiming that he's offering a vehicle for others to short?
pankkake: I think that's incorrect too. it allows you to get a better price if you're long, or MAYBE short it as long as you think it's won't go as low as 2.5x less
ThickAsThieves: bitcoinpete says "Effectively, MP is allowing you to “short” ETH."
bitcoinpete: lol to the correction car!
benkay: oh, bitcoinpete does derivatives now?
ThickAsThieves: just making sure we stay on-message!
pankkake: wait, why the fuck are they callimg themselves ETH Suisse? I just remembered: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89cole_polytechnique_f%C3%A9d%C3%A9rale_de_Zurich
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ThickAsThieves: solidarity!
ThickAsThieves: for the motherland!
benkay: pankkake: "credit suisse" perhaps?
ThickAsThieves: or, i think bitcoinpete is cool so i dont want to see him have errors in his shit
benkay: -assets proofreading is best proofreading.
benkay: i am deploy from car
bitcoinpete: s/short/long
benkay: devops borat would approve
bitcoinpete: if that vernacular works...
benkay: it's almost like you use a real text editor too, bitcoinpete!
bitcoinpete: "to short" sounds so much better than "to long"
benkay: ;)
bitcoinpete: ;;rate ThickAsThieves 1 drinks coffee, knows derivativespeak
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benkay: to go long
benkay: to take a long position
benkay: (in)
ThickAsThieves: i'd say you could almost short it if you bought real ETH, sold off-market for slight discount, then repurchased from MP, but you'd still be betting only on the availble spread, if price dropped below MP's offer, your short would be fukt ... even then they tell you cant do anyhting with the ETH til genblock is made... soooo
bitcoinpete: to golong
ThickAsThieves: he's basiclaly selling ETH at a discount
ThickAsThieves: cheapcoinz!
bitcoinpete: right!
benkay: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 621.01, Best ask: 622.87, Bid-ask spread: 1.86000, Last trade: 622.87, 24 hour volume: 2729.87411553, 24 hour low: 618.0, 24 hour high: 624.99, 24 hour vwap: 621.168150006
benkay: ThickAsThieves: scammor
bitcoinpete: the smart kids will be all over mp's offer
benkay: what's smart about buying ether?
benkay: wine with shit in it is still just shitty wine
pankkake: price is tempting regardless
bitcoinpete: benkay: beats me, ask the *kids* buying the shit
ThickAsThieves: you could argue that the noob hypewagen is strong enough to carry ETH value above MP's offer
mike_c: but shitty wine at half price!
bitcoinpete: ThickAsThieves: entirely possible
benkay: i guess a hedge against ether going somewhere isn't such a bad idea, but it totally fails the good investments criteria.
benkay: starting with not actually existing.
benkay: it's just the whole "i missed btc, maybe this will make me rich" self delusion alllllllll over again.
ThickAsThieves: i think the best part about the offer is it's potential to disrupt the live offering
pankkake: if you look at similar coins, like nxt and ripple, they're still valued quite high
benkay: vb & co. imagine they're actually doing something, but they're just draining the wallets of latecomers
ThickAsThieves: i'd love for people to be buying from MP instead of the actual people
princessnell: i love that it reveals the exhuberance
pankkake: !up stormlight
benkay: "quite high" sure, but are they going to go from .01 US per to 10k per?
bitcoinpete: ThickAsThieves: they still need the patience tho
bitcoinpete: 8 months is 8 years for "i wanna rich nao" ppl
pankkake: benkay: not my point, my point is about taking MP's offer
ThickAsThieves: and it's an audience that hates mp, soooo, fat chance
asciilifeform: is everyone familiar with the proverbial 'money trap' ?
ThickAsThieves: maybe he can buy their love
bitcoinpete: asciilifeform: do tell
asciilifeform: container with, say, banana, and a hole big enough for the beast's hand, but not if it holds the bait
ThickAsThieves: isnt that a Tom hanks movie?
bitcoinpete: ThickAsThieves: maybe if they were camgirls
Pierre_Rochard: ;;rate bitcoinpete 2 Amoraim of b-a
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bitcoinpete: hand in a cookie jar thing
benkay: pankkake: yeah, i know what you're saying. this discussion hearkens back to a thing a wise old man harps on about how if you can have the patience to see past the next 6 months to two years you can make trades the rest of the market won't consider because they want 17%/annum *now*
ThickAsThieves: Sexy Saffron better not tell reddit she's an mp employee
asciilifeform: monkey reaches in, grasps banana, refuses to let go, sits there. until hunter shows up.
bitcoinpete: Pierre_Rochard: why ty
asciilifeform: this is quite analogous to the altchain folks
bitcoinpete: asciilifeform: also how herschel tricked one of the channukah goblins. eggs in the jar iirc
benkay: bitcoinpete: yup.
pigeons: hey mircea_popescu I havent followed, but i saw you are selling eth foward contract or similar. I wanted to suggest putting something similar on mpex, i think that would do well
asciilifeform: if any of them took the trouble to write something interesting (e.g. system analogous to the original btc but of proper, rather than 'power ranger' quality) and resisted the temptation of premine shenanigans, etc. - but no.
asciilifeform: can't let go of banana.
benkay: asciilifeform: even if they could reimplement the thing from scratch, it still wouldn't touch btc proper.
benkay: and they can't "let go of banana" and write a real wallet, adding value to the ecosystem.
pigeons: oh dont tell me mpex is still down from weeks ago?
kakobrekla: power ranger has infinite hitpoints.
benkay: mpex.ws, pigeons
pigeons: thanks
benkay: .co works as well for me iirc
pigeons: go isnt working at the moment from my location at least
ThickAsThieves: mpex.wallstreet
bitcoinpete: Nassim N. Taleb @nntaleb · 38m Up to 19thC, people in the Levant changed religion to stay in the land. Today they change land to keep religion. (Druzes⇒Maronites⇔Shiites) << sounds downright civilized
asciilifeform: benkay: point is not that a hypothetical altchain created by thinking people would displace traditional btc, but that it is theoretically possible to build something that's at least worth thinking about.
bitcoinpete: asciilifeform: but that'll never get teh community on board. teh views!
asciilifeform: no shortage of possible experiments to choose from (e.g. Lamportian 67% theoretical maximum threshold (see 'byzantine generals') instead of 51; programmable work functions; a hundred other things)
asciilifeform: !s turingcoin
asciilifeform: !s slavecoin
pankkake: !s coincoin
asciilifeform: but no. somehow altchain folks can only think of duplicating spam stock business model.
benkay: actual programmers being few and far between.
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benkay: maul?
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benkay: <benkay> actual programmers being few and far between. // not to imply anything about myself, ofc just a derpy webapp guy
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 57 @ 0.0142 = 0.8094 BTC [+]
assbot: BPS Research Digest: A self-fulfilling fallacy?
bitcoinpete: ;;nethash
gribble: 129685563.491
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.81503056 BTC to 12`514 shares, 14504 satoshi per share
bitcoinpete: "SEC To Complete Rules Aimed at Reducing Money-Fund Risks: Plan Would Allow Money Funds to Temporarily Block Investors from Withdrawing Money in Times of Stress"
assbot: trixisowned +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
benkay: hohoho yes link please, bitcoinpete
assbot: SEC To Complete Rules Aimed at Reducing Money-Fund Risks - WSJ
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 23.66675304 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 2058 satoshi per share
kakobrekla: !up trixisowned
assbot: Bitcoin Balance of bitcoin address: 36PrZ1KHYMpqSyAQXSG8VwbUiq2EogxLo2
bitcoinpete: trixisowned: myeah. almost passed mastercoin exodus thing of 4740.6200979 BTC
benkay: so. sad.
assbot: Bitcoin Address 1CounterpartyXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXUWLpVr
danielpbarron: 2`130.83749757 BTC burned
benkay: "The vote ends more than five years of struggle over how to address structural vulnerabilities in the funds that encourage investors to bolt at the first sign of trouble." LTCM anyone?
ThickAsThieves: SEC Seeks To Install Ponzi Throttle
ThickAsThieves: "Financial Stability Oversight Council, have said such redemption restrictions could spur, rather than curb, investor stampedes." indeed
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.1411 = 1.2699 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: "Under the plan, fund boards would have the discretion to impose redemption fees of up to 2%, or to temporarily halt redemptions altogether, if their weekly pool of cash or cash like assets drops below the agency's required ratio of 30%"
ThickAsThieves: your investments, now 70% off!
ThickAsThieves: ;;bcstats
gribble: Current Blocks: 312136 | Current Difficulty: 1.733631697850783E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 312479 | Next Difficulty In: 343 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 7 hours, 37 minutes, and 17 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 18789848431.7 | Estimated Percent Change: 8.38432
mike_c: is mpex.co going to get fixed ever? or is it just dead.
ThickAsThieves: it's mpex.ws now
ThickAsThieves: and some other one
mike_c: ok. so .co isn't coming back
ThickAsThieves: that i dont know
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 49 @ 0.01425 = 0.6983 BTC [-]
bitcoinpete: benkay: <mircea_popescu> mike_c stop opposing progress and an end to oppression. // hey have you guys heard about this ICBC auto insurance monopoly in BC? << i think only bc is socialist enough to do this
bitcoinpete: bc wants to be like california and shit
bitcoinpete: with their own little movie industry and everything
bitcoinpete: time to catch up on weird al...
lobbes: the problem I have with weird al nowadays is that I don't even know the songs he is parodying anymore
bitcoinpete: lobbes: sounds more like your problem than his ;)
bitcoinpete: http://vevo.ly/yRwiKB << nice little stab at dogederps
nubbins`: how's it compare to rates in the rest of canada?
bitcoinpete: nubbins`: not too sure
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 407 @ 0.00277422 = 1.1291 BTC [+] {7}
danielpbarron: bitcoinpete, hahah same here
danielpbarron: weird al was the first artist I ever bought a cd for; I heard his parodies before the originals
danielpbarron: so i guess.. not same here.... heh
danielpbarron: oh, lobbes said that; whoops
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 341 @ 0.00284852 = 0.9713 BTC [+] {6}
pankkake: $proxies
empyex: pankkake: Proxies: mpex.ws mpex.bz mpex.coinbr.com MPEx-Status: 1060 milliseconds Current MPEx GPG-Key-ID: 02DD2D91
benkay: $mpexlag
empyex: benkay: 561 milliseconds
pankkake: !search goxlag
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 527 @ 0.00285959 = 1.507 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 250 @ 0.0028841 = 0.721 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 50 @ 0.140384 = 7.0192 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.1403 = 0.8418 BTC [-]
assbot: Open Name System
danielpbarron: neato; is this a Namecoin killer?
benkay: can't say yet need moar read
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.13374999 = 0.535 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: Sense: Know More. Sleep Better. by Hello — Kickstarter
bitcoinpete: "The app tells you how well you slept, or didn't, by giving you a unique Sleep Score each night. You can begin to correlate interruptions in your sleep to external conditions and disturbances. You can play back key sound disturbances via the app to say “Ah, the garbage truck broke my sleep cycle at 3am. I didn’t even realize that.”
bitcoinpete: $99 and it's yours. delivery estimated in november 2014
asciilifeform: bitcoinpete: already done, ages ago, by various vendors ('zeo' - now defunct - had a fairly good machine.)
bitcoinpete: nao with apps!
xmj: eo was nice
xmj: zeo* was nice
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xmj: It's really really sad Zeo went bust.
asciilifeform: the funny part is that wearing the electrodes utterly destroyed my sleep quality. and, on the other hand, the variants without electrodes ('actigraph' gadgets) are junk - they can only distinguish 'REM' from other phases of sleep, but nothing more.
danielpbarron: bitcoinpete, i already have a free app that does that sort of thing.. ended up deleting it because too many apps
bitcoinpete: ya i once used one too
danielpbarron: it figures it out based on your movements as you sleep
bitcoinpete: but it only worked on my old spring mattress
bitcoinpete: foam soaks up all the vibrations
danielpbarron: i used it with success on a sofa
bitcoinpete: and by vibrations i mean tossing and turning
bitcoinpete: danielpbarron: ya i could see that
asciilifeform: reminds me of a legend (forgot where i heard it, perhaps even here.)
asciilifeform: one fellow, (said to have lived in romania) built piezos into his bed legs
asciilifeform: and logged pressure
asciilifeform: one day he went on a long journey, and when came back, discovered that max(weight) > him + wife.
asciilifeform: whether he stayed awake in school math and had the sense to look at the actual waveform (perhaps wife was fond of jumping on the bed?) before divorcing, i do not know.
bitcoinpete: sorta like othello with the handkerchief
bitcoinpete: she had to be cheatin!
bitcoinpete: "But for those who missed out on getting in on Bitcoin early, Ethereum's launch represents something of another chance."
assbot: Ethereum Launches Ether - Business Insider
benkay: I WAS JUST SAYING THIS
pankkake: and I said it before you all, about all altcoins :)
benkay: cept i guess "there will never be another {silicon,internet,bitcoin}" doesn't push views
bitcoinpete: and it's only fair if everyone gets rich!
mike_c: we are all above average drivers.
bitcoinpete: with above average cocks
mike_c: except the irish
bitcoinpete: pretty sure the irish have below average everything
bitcoinpete: but what do i know
bitcoinpete: well i know that this is hirarious: "Big Trend Capital Investment (HASH): We are engaged as a distributor of mining products and a novel mining service. We primarily service retail customers through storefronts such as Amazon, EBay, and our own eStore at BuyAHash.com."
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pankkake: never another silicon?
bitcoinpete: dat ipo
bitcoinpete: and i'm off. later!
pankkake: but indeed, there will never be another internet. especially with ipv6
benkay: i mean the kind of sociocultural upheaval that accompanied silicon and then the internet, and will eventually fall out of bitcoin, pankkake
benkay: centralization of markets resulting in companies like ebay
benkay: danielpbarron: the little reading i've done suggests that it's not a namecoin killer, as that'd require...studying existing solutions and then doing it better. i've yet to find much support fot eh notion that the folks involved have done any research at all yet.
benkay: "As of yet, no work has been done on adding support for blockchain domains to ONS and the ONS command line tools."
pankkake: ugh, it's onename.io
pankkake: they just do the same, but less, and worse
thestringpuller: naemcoin is kinda cool tho
pankkake: and they're really misleading users
thestringpuller: OneName.io = facebook with gpg
thestringpuller: didn't this already go down with keybase.io ?
benkay: keybase wanted your 'encrypted' private keys.
asciilifeform: self-service gasenwagen. wave of the future. amazing! technology.
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benkay: man the derp brigade is out in force today
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benkay: "play good with others" lost art of grammar
pankkake: because no one can fake a facebook account
benkay: quite the deep learners
pankkake: and confusing trust (what businesses want) and identity verification (what the tax man wants)
pankkake: http://www.reddit.com/r/greatapes omg, sometimes reddit delivers
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benkay: countdown to sub termination: 10...
asciilifeform: benkay: sham-wots are as inevitable as shamchains.
asciilifeform: they taste great together. like der fuhrer's walther and cyanide capsule.
thestringpuller: benkay: i like how many companies are appearing that can just be subverted with the WoT.
benkay: i don't. it's a phenomenal waste of human capital.
thestringpuller: just cattle. let them die off; we can scavenge the refuse for useful stuff afterwards.
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: I found that labour-intensive salt cooking reference I mentioned the other day: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRHNa9qdtlw#t=1096
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benkay: <thestringpuller> just cattle. let them die off; we can scavenge the refuse for useful stuff afterwards. // biodiesel
fluffypony: mircea_popescu could be the largest æthereum holder with ease, yo - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=563925.msg7991275#msg7991275
assbot: [RFC] thereum: a turing-complete coin distributed as per bitcoin's blockchain
thestringpuller: so Ethereum tx script's are turing complete?
thestringpuller: that sounds slightly dangerous on some levels...
fluffypony: yes - this is æthereum tho
thestringpuller: ~_~ @_@ <.<;; I don't know and have no opinion.
fluffypony: which, from what I understand, is a fork that lets you just pick up the æthereum equivalent of your BTC balance
thestringpuller: except that Taaki is not a "bitcoin legend" >:(
fluffypony: needs moar hero worships
mircea_popescu: Pierre_Rochard:mircea_popescu: permission to republish? << well, no. an article is one thing, but wholesale copying of trilema serves little purpose. put up an adnotated article list if you want, that seems to serve your purpose better, or if not do commentary on the individual articles
mircea_popescu: nubbins`: mthreat: do yourself a favor and stop drinking charbucks << talking to ex-us-mil guy, "i'll tell you what starbucks is. back in the force, they'd make these largish tanks of coffee at the crack of down, keep them on reheat, throw them out at night. starbucks is pretty much like a drink out of that tank right before it getting thrown out. which is why they put all the cream and crap into it : gotta try and mas
mircea_popescu: k the badly burnt coffee"
mircea_popescu: nubbins`:"i live in a place with stylish young people, independent women, and those who care about our natural environment. it's a real drag." << i can see it.
Pierre_Rochard: mircea_popescu: understood, we’ll go the annotated article list route
mircea_popescu: chetty for the record, the peso was trading 12.2 - 12.7 yesterday
mircea_popescu: so their graphs are the usual crap.
mircea_popescu: also it never touched 12.x in march, talking out of ass these ppls.
chetty: yeah well people talk street price kinda need a street :P
mthreat: chetty, mircea_popescu I got 12.2 pesos per USD 2 hours ago
mircea_popescu: mthreat exactly.
mthreat: to pay for bad coffee
mircea_popescu: mthreat actually i see it's 12.3x atm.
chetty: mthreat, seriously stay out of chatbucks, will rot your gut
mthreat: ya, i usually get under the top "blue rate", but my cueva hasn't given me fake money
mircea_popescu: pankkake: and in multiple bitcoin clients << i never bothered to get a client myself so there's that.
mircea_popescu: mthreat i've not yet had a fake bill either.
mircea_popescu: in about... i dunno, a bagful or so.
mthreat: mircea_popescu maybe the cost of production is > than the value heh
mircea_popescu: money here's a real joke, largest bill ~$8
chetty: I am thinking fake bills are a myth
mircea_popescu: mthreat they're printing like crazy for sure, tho. usually i get ~40% new bills, but the last few buys i got 80-100% new bills.
mthreat: sounds like the US :)
mircea_popescu: chetty just, cheaper for the govt to print em than for the independent crooks
mircea_popescu: so they drive them out of biz.
mircea_popescu: benkay: or is that not actually a text file? << hasn't been a texrfile for all of two years.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves:
mircea_popescu: so no way to short it << im shorting it.
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mircea_popescu: it does allow you to go into a technical short, by buying the future and selling your spot, if you hold any.
mircea_popescu: but this is a point of finesse
mircea_popescu: (basically it ensures that no institutionals will be holding eth today for the purpose of satysfying a mid or long term goal, is all)
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BingoBoingo: benkay> <mircea_popescu> <pankkake> well, he has the private key, but I have it too. not smart :p << omg BingoBoingo WHAT HAVE YOU DUN NAO // yeah, i'm also curious as to what's going on here << OMG Opsec fail
mircea_popescu: course no institutionals would have bought any anyway, but as a point of principle.
rithm: what is ether scam
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves: i think the best part about the offer is it's potential to disrupt the live offering << no, the best part is pulling the rug from under the scammer's feet quite unexplectedly.
mircea_popescu: now it's quite clear they';re recycling some borrowed btc as "investments".
ThickAsThieves: you say the same thing as me
ThickAsThieves: just meaner
mircea_popescu: now that may be :D
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mircea_popescu: ironically enough, doge i've been selling. eth, none.
rithm: looks neat if wasn't a three letter honeypot
mircea_popescu: ;;refresh
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mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves:
mircea_popescu: and it's an audience that hates mp, soooo, fat chance << you know how many of these there've been, over the years ? and how painfully and mean-ly they've been humiliated ?
mircea_popescu: startin' all the way to the good ol' boys of glbse and so on.
mircea_popescu: zee bitcoin bankerz cartel,
mircea_popescu: good times.
pankkake: rithm: you can do watch-only with most clients now
rithm: i know so i'm not sure what it accomplishes other than intel gathering and noob convenience
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mircea_popescu: srsly ? rep majority ? i tell you i dun see it.
pankkake: I think you can do it already with blockchain.info too
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mircea_popescu: a) how the fuck are conservatives going to make electoral gains in populist times and b) who the fuck do the republicans even represent anymore, they've lost the teaparty.
pankkake: by not being conservatives, but some random nutjob thing
ThickAsThieves: they represent sameness
ThickAsThieves: democrat is change
ThickAsThieves: change is bad
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mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves the way the us is going, anything's better than sameness.
ThickAsThieves: i'm speaking for the masses of course
ThickAsThieves: not myself
ThickAsThieves: change is dope
mircea_popescu: after 8 years of "we can do it" and "change nao" i doubt you can find any broad group that's of the oppinion things can continue as they are.
mircea_popescu: this is the major advantage for the fucktarded socialists : once la revolucion starts it fucks up things so badly people want a revolution.
mircea_popescu: and so... permanence!
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mircea_popescu: "i can't imagine xyz" is now an argument.
rithm: mp have you sullied yourself in this ether scamcoin
rithm: obv i'm skimming
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves: Sexy Saffron better not tell reddit she's an mp employee << that's okay, the only thing that's keeping derppit from a collective headexploy is all the shit their collective dumbass doesn't know.
mircea_popescu: o sorry. "can't imagine".
mircea_popescu: pigeons: hey mircea_popescu I havent followed, but i saw you are selling eth foward contract or similar. I wanted to suggest putting something similar on mpex, i think that would do well << i asked, people lol'd. which is why it's in otc.
ThickAsThieves: true philosophers
rithm: so you are selling 5000 ether, deliverable in 2015, for 1 BTC now?
rithm: it's genius
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i was chuckling at the buttcoin treatment earlier, "let's look at things from the position that popularity matters and then get all aggitated when nothing makes sense".
mircea_popescu: rithm ty.
pigeons: is there a built-in mechanism for these suckers, i mean people to trade their ether before/if the production network ever comes out?
mircea_popescu: pigeons afaik, no.
ThickAsThieves: from what i read, the ETH is in total lockdown til it's released
pigeons: that's why i was thinking an mpex listing would be nice, people could trade it
mircea_popescu: a scam doesn't work very well in the open.
rithm: but it doesn't exist yet to be traded
pigeons: its aptly named i guess
rithm: there's not a working implementation is there?
rithm: like an ethereumd
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: if any of them took the trouble to write something interesting (e.g. system analogous to the original btc but of proper, rather than 'power ranger' quality) and resisted the temptation of premine shenanigans, etc. - but no. <<< quite.
pigeons: i had some esther or something the other day, it wasnt ether but it worked in the same manner
ThickAsThieves: no, "winter 2014/15"
rithm: pigeons, yeah perfect name
rithm: calling it ether almost seems like expert troll
pigeons: rithm: there is a testnet that executes contracts, but themining alogirthm will change when they decide to make one up
mircea_popescu: pigeons i grew up with a one lb bottle of liquid ether in my chemistry lab. tru story.
pigeons: lost of other stuff will change when they get around to making it up as well
ThickAsThieves: ethereum ‏@ethereumproject 2m
ThickAsThieves: The only location to purchase ether is http://j.mp/1nkJeYG - Any other website, emails, skype, twitter, etc are scams.
assbot: ethereum
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves lulz
rithm: nice pretty site, dancing logo, buy now
ThickAsThieves: you are scams
mircea_popescu: scammors calling things scamz nao.
mircea_popescu: this is like so 2012 all over again.
mircea_popescu: hey SEC ? where the fuck is your dumb ass baby ?
rithm: but ethereum has no plans to "integrate" or use the bitcoin blockchain for any type of verification, right?
rithm: it's a totally new alt-chain implementation
mircea_popescu: we will definitely have a showdown over all this crap one of these days. and as to why james gibson & his merry scammer friends are stil on the street.
rithm: do i understand that correctly?
benkay: <mircea_popescu> Pierre_Rochard:mircea_popescu: permission to republish? << well, no. an article is one thing, but wholesale copying of trilema serves little purpose. put up an adnotated article list if you want, that seems to serve your purpose better, or if not do commentary on the individual articles // think talmud
mircea_popescu: and to the rest of em. lube up.
mircea_popescu: here i am, by my lonesome, trying to keep some semblance of discipline,
pigeons: rithm: correct
mircea_popescu: while the usg is busy drinking chateau lafitte out of the taxpayer's moneyz.
mircea_popescu: for shame.
benkay: <mircea_popescu> benkay: or is that not actually a text file? << hasn't been a texrfile for all of two years. // cult of complexity
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves: mpex.wallstreet << bingo.
rithm: ...and the reason being the turingincompletedness of bitcoin
rithm: i don't seeing having the value bitcoin has
rithm: chisel that in stone in your logs
rithm: * idon't see it
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: no shortage of possible experiments to choose from (e.g. Lamportian 67% theoretical maximum threshold << that's not the good part. the good part is a better chaining methodology.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8100 @ 0.00079777 = 6.4619 BTC [-]
benkay: what are the flaws of the current chaining methodology, mircea_popescu ?
ThickAsThieves: ohnoes coindesk commenter has burned me: "I wish i could see your stupid face in about 10 years when almost every interaction you have with an electronic device relies on a decentralized blockchain.. "we don't need smart contracts" haha are you for real!? "
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu pigeons i grew up with a one lb bottle of liquid ether in my chemistry lab. tru story. << do I dare ask what you did with said ether?
ThickAsThieves: mah stupid face!
assbot: Bitcoin prices, Bitcoin inflexibility pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
ThickAsThieves: "I think smart contracts are pretty revolutionary, and once they're commonplace we'll all wonder how we got along without them." this is people responding to me asking wtf will actually use it
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves does the guy have a name ?
assbot: Ethereum Launches Own 'Ether' Coin, With Millions Already Sold
ThickAsThieves: the commenter?
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller it's a major feedstock for a number of organic chemistry reactions.
mircea_popescu: i also burned some
mircea_popescu: i didn't actually huff it
ThickAsThieves: no, he posted as Some R Dumb
mircea_popescu: but i did put out a cat a number of times.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves well clearly if "he thinks" and "he can't see" your dumb face he wins the internets.
ThickAsThieves: "Instead of making a "You guys just don't understand how big this is going to be" comment, why don't you tell us what your plans involve so we get a better idea of what ethereum is? " ~smarter commenter
ThickAsThieves: response:
ThickAsThieves: I sincerely apologize. My comment was directed at the user who said that no one would want or need this. I cant get into specifics on what we are working on but here are a few questions that spring into mind.
ThickAsThieves: Who is going to be the facebook of ethereum?
ThickAsThieves: Who is going to be the google of ethereum? (well... lets not kid ourselves... probably google on that one)
ThickAsThieves: there's more...
mircea_popescu: so wait, is ths ninjashoguncoin ?
mike_c: ;;seen the20year
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ThickAsThieves: fukn hilarious people
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves if that's how you call terminal retards.
ThickAsThieves: this is the first timei'm upvoting things i disagree with
ThickAsThieves: just too awesome
mircea_popescu: o which reminds me : funny notice in local quikmart : "esta terminantemente prohibido la venta a menores de 18 anos"
mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete: "SEC To Complete Rules Aimed at Reducing Money-Fund Risks: Plan Would Allow Money Funds to Temporarily Block Investors from Withdrawing Money in Times of Stress" << epic.
mircea_popescu: sec to announce partnership with bitcoin scammers next, to fight terrorism and other stresses.
ThickAsThieves: Draper will be on Colbert tonight, prepare for derpy bitcoin jokez
mircea_popescu: mike_c: is mpex.co going to get fixed ever? or is it just dead. << nah will come bax
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves which one is draper again ?
mike_c: too late, i changed all my links. it's dead to me :)
ThickAsThieves: the SR auction weiner
mircea_popescu: the guy that didn't manage to buy some bitcoins and also had a sextape ?
mircea_popescu: is he going with nicole richie ?
ThickAsThieves: only time will tell!
mircea_popescu: mike_c worx.
benkay: <mircea_popescu> benkay you read the http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoin-prices-bitcoin-inflexibility/#comment-92015 ? // read it yes, but the context?
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mircea_popescu: lobbes: the problem I have with weird al nowadays is that I don't even know the songs he is parodying anymore << this is because you've stopped fucking teenagers.
mircea_popescu: benkay you were asking how to improve the blockchain.
pigeons: don't forget the child porn and drug trafficicking to go with the terrorism. oh and file-sharing
benkay: ah.
ThickAsThieves: “I give bitcoin 12 to 18 months before its fate will be decided by lawmakers. We don’t have a lot of time to tackle these issues, and if we don’t, bitcoin will be narrowed down to a hobbyist niche and not a true industry.” ~ Perianne Boring
mircea_popescu: benkay: can't say yet need moar read << pls let the group know.
benkay: keep reading, boss
mircea_popescu: ;;rated bitcoingirl
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ThickAsThieves: “There’s nobody else in DC that cares about bitcoin, bitcoin has a terrible reputation, people are scared to touch it, nobody wants to be involved with it, and a lot of it is a lack of understanding.”
mircea_popescu: ;;rate bitcoingirl -1 Absolutely unbearably clueless, self promoting dumb broad.
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mircea_popescu: they are going to be A LOT more scared, i'm getting a "get in touch" program out for politicians.
mircea_popescu: this scared is nothing.
BingoBoingo: ;;gettrust assbot bitcoingirl
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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: chaining methodology << sure. and ten other things.
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mircea_popescu: anyway, i was originally thinking bitcoin-the-prototype needs to run about five years before actual iteration is worth contemplating
mircea_popescu: that'd be up in about six months. so by all means.
benkay: hm.
benkay: cross-chain wallet for alphacoinz was on my personal roadmap
thestringpuller: #shibelyfe
asciilifeform whispers 'btc in silico'
mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete: $99 and it's yours. delivery estimated in november 2014 << expensive, but it's not actually a bad idea.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, bitcoinpete: just an old idea. as in, hardware you can actually buy.
mircea_popescu: most good ideas are old
mircea_popescu: they get older as fucktards chase the mba train of spam.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: before divorcing, i do not know. << why divorce the woman just because she's getting exercise ?
mircea_popescu: benkay: I WAS JUST SAYING THIS << basically doge opened the way for "mainstream" media shilling.
mircea_popescu: now all these unemployable fuckwits with business insider blogs and whatnot expect a coupla hundred to tout the next scam.
mircea_popescu: i guess in a sense this is just the unavoidable effect of their irrelevant impotence. "if you can't do something useful anyway, might as well make a buck doing something pointless"
mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete: pretty sure the irish have below average everything <<< irish chicks have above average to epic freckles.
mircea_popescu: benkay: keybase wanted your 'encrypted' private keys. << oh such lulz.
mircea_popescu: Secure connection: fatal error (552) https://www.provetrust.com/ << i guess it's been proven.
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mircea_popescu: benkay: i don't. it's a phenomenal waste of human capital. << there is no such thing as "waste" of human capital any more han there's waste of carbon. it's an element, whatever it gets used for is just fine.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: mircea_popescu could be the largest æthereum holder <<< could is such a majik word.
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic a bit more marketing in that than i'd be looking for.
fluffypony: coulda-would-shoulda
fluffypony: it's sorta like first-biggest-best
mircea_popescu: anyway, the part where there's 500 ether aethereum ethereum etc is certainly helpful.
mircea_popescu: one of the reason girls trying to break into porn have to work so hard is that there's so damned many of them
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller: except that Taaki is not a "bitcoin legend" >:( <<< i beg to differ. taaki is a bitcoin legend : http://trilema.com/2012/amir-taaki-has-done-and-continues-to-do-huge-disservice-to-anyone-serious-involved-in-bitcoin/
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mircea_popescu: he's legendary stupid.
dub looks for the unsee button
pigeons: yeah like i shouldnt already know better than to click one of mircea_popescu's links
assbot: Check if your bitcoin private key was leaked
kakobrekla: if balance is greater than 0, it was not.
kakobrekla: now mp sez but smart hacker will wait for mo monies.
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 279 @ 0.00432511 = 1.2067 BTC [-] {7}
mircea_popescu: i r not say anything.
dub: mike_c: no. 1) pick a girl. 2) she picks the date mike_c: 3) she starts planning for 6 months
dub: truth
mircea_popescu: you're all a buncha pussies.
mike_c: yeah, a REAL man picks his own wedding date :p
mircea_popescu: a real man weds chuck morris.
mike_c: chuck norris will now destroy b-a because you got his name wrong.
dub: she just finalised our venue, twas all I could do to drag it back to 300km away from 10000km
mike_c: your friends and family thank you for your efforts.
mircea_popescu: lol r/SA has now established that i am not smart, all my good points are repackaged from someone else.
mircea_popescu: my sides. i imagine libertards are smart in entirely novel, innovative ways, right ? because such a thing can ever be :D
dub: wait, something awful has a reddit?
mircea_popescu: i am thankful for the internet for this, by the way. before every idiot had a voice, the world was less amusing, and the reasons why the poor must be whipped daily less obvious.
assbot: Im crying with joy over here, my toes are curling in untold glee, I have little doubt that I shall live to see this, all of it. : Buttcoin
mircea_popescu: after they sold buttcoins.org to bfl they moved to reddit.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the person i'm repackaging is christos ballas, which kind-of informs as to the depth of intelligence the core of us libertards has at its disposal : they can dig as deep as about the past coupla months, and that's that.
mike_c: lol, sometimes they get one right: "Christ almighty. Can you summarize that in like a few thousand words?"
mircea_popescu: i guess it works fine for most blogs, which really aren't much deeper than that, and definitely for most perianne borings, which... yeah.
mircea_popescu: mike_c i suspek that's unintentional.
mike_c: blind squirrel etc.
mircea_popescu: anyway, i guess my knowing who they are and who they fucked and all the dirt makes this an unequal contest and therefore me racist or somesuch.
mircea_popescu: "Yeah, certainly not every Bitcoiner is a redpiller.
mircea_popescu: As far as my observations go, I think there are many idealists, but they are a bit complicit in that these fuckers aren't shouted down or ejected because they are "of the community"."
mircea_popescu: i mean check out that beauty. "what, mp can eject each and every reddit communitard if he so chooses ?!?! not possibru!!!
mircea_popescu: because reality is by consensus and power is by headcount!!! LIBERTARDIA!!!!"
mircea_popescu: i thot they still teach in those social pseudosciences just how informative one's apparent assumptions are. i guess nobody does psychology seriously since the pills huh.
BingoBoingo: OMG we better not tell /r/Buttcoin who started linking TLP up in here...
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i got a lulz out of their scummy apology/explanation as to how they sold the domain to bfl.
mircea_popescu: typical "whoddunit/not me" infantilism. it was a mistake but we're not really stupid, we did it for the cash but we're not really desperate,
mircea_popescu: it's like the talking points of the lost generations. they did it "ironically".
BingoBoingo: It really is some magic, thinking they can talk something to death, but then actually damaging everything by selling out to the worst actor in the space they derped against for so long.
mircea_popescu: #freenode is terminally fucking braindamaged. a year ago they stopped taking donations because "it was too much effort". since then i've been trying to get them a server up. pretty much zero interest.
mircea_popescu: there's just no way this shit can survive on the mid term.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i suspect the reasoning here is that "bfl is bad for bitcoin" and so therefore selling to them is "bad for bitcoin" and so it's a smart move.
mircea_popescu: too stupid to evaluate the compound errors in there.
hanbot: mircea_popescu aww, nobody's hated on me like that (reddit) in a while
BingoBoingo: All the while they forget that in the past year BFL has went from being bad for Bitcoin to merely being bad for a certain kind of people who want into Bitcoin and probably ought to begin buying pre-order lube
hanbot: mp gets all the bitches
mircea_popescu: basically, bfl is essentially bad for... them.
mircea_popescu: it makes all its money out of exploiting the erroneous mindset that derps matter and groups work.
mircea_popescu: as the old saying goes, a man deserves the life he choses.
BingoBoingo: I guess if there is one thing to learn from a year and a half of Havelol's history it is that Bitcoin also seems to be killing the veil of corporate protection as a formal construct https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=339417.msg7987373#msg7987373
assbot: [HAVELOCK] (HIF) Havelock Investments Fund
benkay: <dub> she just finalised our venue, twas all I could do to drag it back to 300km away from 10000km // sucker - i had mine in the backyard of the house in which i grew up.
benkay: which just so happens to be six blocks from my current residence.
benkay: lolk so what did bitcoingirl do to piss you off, mircea_popescu ?
dub: we're in a backyard too, for the portion that isn't on the beach
BingoBoingo: benkay: Have you seen what Ms Boring has been writing lately?
benkay: no i tuned out a long time ago
benkay: link me to great lulz plox
dub: albeit a $1000/night backyard
benkay: yeah, but it's not the backyard of your childhood and also you're paying for it.
mike_c: you also pay for it if you don't give her the wedding she wants.
benkay: boring and company llc doesn't even register on google, wtf
dub: there are far too many backyards of my childhood and few of them meet the >10000km away requisite
benkay: sheeeeeit you give them the wedding?
dub: <*
benkay: what happened to the dowry?
BingoBoingo: benkay: Basically Ms. Boring forked the foundation taking a stronger stand in favor of "Let's all just surrender to the State more and faster now, k thx"
benkay: yes but links please, BingoBoingo
assbot: Perianne Boring: Regulators Will Decide Bitcoin's Fate Within 18 Months
BingoBoingo: ^ I dunno what could mistate things worse
mircea_popescu: benkay just being her usual dumb self.
mircea_popescu: hanbot wait, what did they say ?
benkay: gotta love how her face is the lede
mircea_popescu: gif related.
benkay: intern for the white house?
benkay: hue hue hue hue hue
benkay: man
benkay: the joke there is that nobody saw how dumb of an idea claiming to be a pretty young intern at the white house is
mircea_popescu: forgeddaboutit.
dub: whats the op called where they send in fuckable chicks to get ammunition on targets ala assange?
benkay: wow you guys actually read coindesk
mircea_popescu: so my... conventional munitions alarm went off.
mircea_popescu: turns out... these people are digging an extension to the metro. WITH DYNAMITE.
mircea_popescu: so argentina. much surprising. all the fucking time.
benkay: gotta love los portenos
benkay is amazed at the amount of dick going into that butt
mircea_popescu: who the fuck blasts metro tunnels ?! is it like what, 1860 ?
benkay: can't import boring machines
benkay: wait there's a topic pun in there
benkay: topical*
benkay: boring
benkay: drilling
benkay: perianne
dub: welcome to teh 3rd world
benkay: nah
dub: benkay: stopit
mircea_popescu: dub girl clearly has no stop tit.
benkay: tit stop
assbot: Tit Stop Factory - YouTube
mircea_popescu: people can't fucking enunciate
mircea_popescu: "listentomesluralltheconsonantsintoaporrigeofmushty"
mike_c: <+mircea_popescu> who the fuck blasts metro tunnels ?! << broke countries?
mircea_popescu: i guess.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 264 @ 0.00283392 = 0.7482 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: !up CheapBoy
CheapBoy: How is Mircea Popescu shorting going?
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
CheapBoy: I don't understand your link.
CheapBoy: I am interested in betting against you.
mircea_popescu: so how many you wanna buy ?
CheapBoy: 15000?
mircea_popescu: for delivery march 15th ?
benkay: ;;gettrust CheapBoy
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user CheapBoy: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=CheapBoy | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=CheapBoy | Rated since: never
mircea_popescu: benkay ironically, for this deal he doesn't actually need one. he's the long party.
mircea_popescu: !up nycbtcpros
CheapBoy: Delivery march 15th
benkay: just out of curiousity, how do you plan to verify his identity for delivery come next march?
mircea_popescu: benkay same address.
BigBitz: delivery of what ?
benkay: sign a thing with the addr from which he pays you?
CheapBoy: My worry is, how is delivery guaranteed?
mircea_popescu: CheapBoy ok, that'll be 3 btc, with the caveat that if eth is not released or not trading come march 15th you get 1 satoshi back.
dub: lol
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust mircea_popescu
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user mircea_popescu: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 154 via 88 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=mircea_popescu | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mircea_popescu | Rated since: Fri Jul 22 11:04:26 2011
CheapBoy: 1 satoshi ouch.
CheapBoy: What guarantee do the people buying presale ehereum get as of now?
assbot: Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2XRBN6Z.txt )
benkay: !b 1
mircea_popescu: nothing afaik.
CheapBoy: That guarantee should be tradable before it is released I hope...
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2012/deci-piata-financiara-bine/ << here's a model contract, from back in 2012.
assbot: Deci piata financiara, bine ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: happens to be the first future deal in btc, too.
mircea_popescu: CheapBoy i have no problem with your assigning your delivery, but to do that you will need to register a gpg signature in the wot.
BigBitz: delivery of what ? <--
benkay: BigBitz: ether.
mircea_popescu: BigBitz the eth scamcoin. you gotta read teh logs more.
CheapBoy: Sounds good and serious, what is gpg signature?
benkay: ;;google gpg
gribble: The GNU Privacy Guard: <https://www.gnupg.org/>; GNU Privacy Guard - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Privacy_Guard>; GPGTools - It's worth protecting what you love: <https://gpgtools.org/>
BigBitz: Ohhh. Ethereum. lol.
BigBitz: the pre-premine coin.
mircea_popescu: BigBitz bingo.
benkay: ;;google gpg ultimate guide
gribble: Creating the perfect GPG keypair - Alex Cabal: <https://alexcabal.com/creating-the-perfect-gpg-keypair/>; Creating a new GPG key | Ana's blog - ekaia dot org: <http://ekaia.org/blog/2009/05/10/creating-new-gpgkey/>; Generating More Secure GPG Keys: A Step-by-Step Guide: <http://spin.atomicobject.com/2013/11/24/secure-gpg-keys-guide/>
dub: PGP: Sounds good and serious.
mircea_popescu: jesus i was looking to say bigtitsbingo for a long time.
BigBitz: So wait you're giving him, like, what 9 months ?
benkay: CheapBoy: the alexcabal link is the one.
mircea_popescu: BigBitz yeah.
BigBitz: mircea_popescu one day... just one day... I hope to be 5% as rich as you.
CheapBoy: And how can you guarantee delivery?
mircea_popescu: dub dun hate on teh noobs.
mircea_popescu: CheapBoy by saying so.
dub: I'm not, its a great quote
CheapBoy: Sounds foolproof.
BigBitz: delivery is provable by a wallet? a trading 'site' ?
CheapBoy: Who here "vouches" for mircea?
mircea_popescu: jesus i was waiting to answer "it is" to two diff people in one line forever.
mike_c: CheapBoy: that is what the web of trust is for: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mircea_popescu
assbot: Rating Details for User 'mircea_popescu'
BigBitz: ;;gettrust mircea_popescu
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu. Trust relationship from user BigBitz to user mircea_popescu: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 14 via 11 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=BigBitz&dest=mircea_popescu | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mircea_popescu | Rated since: Fri Jul 22 11:04:26 2011
mircea_popescu: CheapBoy if you lok in the gribble response above you see the list of all the 88 people.
mircea_popescu: pick some you know from there, ask 'em.
BigBitz: in fairness some of those 88 people are not the most trusted :P
mircea_popescu: BigBitz obv.
BigBitz: rg :(
assbot: What the WoT is for, how it works and how to use it. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
BigBitz: mircea_popescu you should look at my WoT.
dub: in counter-fairness check out tux' ratings
mircea_popescu: lol cunterfairness
mircea_popescu: BigBitz i know. but it's been upgraded.
BigBitz: aside from my scammer ratings. my WoT is in good shape.
CheapBoy: Mircea Thanks for explaining.
CheapBoy: I am hesitating, it says "scheduled for release winter 2014/2015" on the site. Pretty big risk it's delayed imo.
mike_c: indeed. mircea_popescu: what would you charge for 1 year?
mircea_popescu: mike_c im not gonna bother with > 9 months.
mike_c: forget it. my momentary insanity passed.
mircea_popescu: CheapBoy delayed past march ?
CheapBoy: Yes delayed past march.
mircea_popescu: well fine, have it your way. july 25th.
mircea_popescu: same price.
CheapBoy: Delaying crowdfunding things is pretty standard at kickstarter
benkay: kinda the whole point
benkay: ;;gettrust bitb
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user bitb: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=bitb | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=bitb | Rated since: never
benkay: ;;gettrust BigBitz
mircea_popescu: i have nfi why anyone'd do business with people who announce xmas and then fail to deliver in march, but then again...
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask BigBitz!~BigBitz@unaffiliated/bigbitz. Trust relationship from user benkay to user BigBitz: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=BigBitz | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=BigBitz | Rated since: Fri Apr 26 11:13:53 2013
benkay: <mircea_popescu> i have nfi why anyone'd do business with people who announce xmas and then fail to deliver in march, but then again... // what, you calling asciilifeform a scammer?
mircea_popescu: benkay you will note nsa didn't sell cardanos.
mircea_popescu: mkay, im off to get mthreat drunk. back in a while.
benkay: mhm. a solid distinction for sure.
benkay: dammit argentina
mircea_popescu: CheapBoy best do some reading, lot of ground to cover before jumping into things.
CheapBoy: Mircea, thanks.
CheapBoy: Would you buy ethereum for me even though it's not officially released, but tradable?
mike_c: what would be trading if it wasn't released?
BingoBoingo: CheapBoy: You are a brave soul going long on Ether.
CheapBoy: hehe, coming here I'm getting more scared.
BingoBoingo: CheapBoy: Nah, we don't bite much.
benkay: you should never be scared to make a trade.
benkay: if its a good trade, you'll know.
benkay: if you're scared, listen to that.
pigeons: who are these people buying it? i see everyone ssaying the obvious about who knows what a good price is and if the platform will ever materialize, but someone is paying
benkay: same as it ever was
BingoBoingo: pigeons: Prolly Vitalik, Aspergzors is an adequate substitute for intelligence, Buterin paying himself
benkay: the hype cycle was just reeeeeally long.
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: so far the authentic chinese food I've tasted pretty much lives up to its visual appeal; Yunnan province (where a lot of that episode was filmed) is delicious and very un-weird.
midnightmagic: but ehh.. propaganda piece for tourism. i'm okay with that
BingoBoingo: CheapBoy: If you actually want the Ether, mircea_popescu's short if the cheapest offer going
BingoBoingo: I just dunno why anyone would want ether that can't soak a rag
pigeons: yeah it should be able to soak a rag, but dont do it that way you hobo
pigeons: pressurize for nice clear gas
BingoBoingo: pigeons: Wait, you're inhaling it? I was just going to use it as a solvent to clean some stuff...
pigeons: oops
mike_c: harder to apply to others as gas
BingoBoingo: !up CheapBoy
benkay: who is this nycbtcpros?
pigeons: ;;seen nycbtcpros
gribble: I have not seen nycbtcpros.
pigeons: ;;gpg info nyvbtcpros
gribble: No such user registered.
pigeons: ;;gpg info nycbtcpros
gribble: User 'nycbtcpros', with keyid None, fingerprint None, and bitcoin address 1HoUw9FVHXxB1Wm9mbetDE1UhgiQfdgFkk, registered on Sat Jun 14 08:04:58 2014, last authed on Sat Jun 14 08:12:00 2014. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=nycbtcpros . Currently not authenticated.
pigeons: hope he has a bitlicense
benkay: ;;later tell nycbtcpros where's your bitlicense?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
CheapBoy: Thanks for not biting guys.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23978 @ 0.00079579 = 19.0815 BTC [-] {2}
CheapBoy: I'm trying to understand if people will be able to "sell" their ethereum pledge before it is released atm.
BingoBoingo: CheapBoy: Well I doubt the ethereum people are going to make or allow a market for that since, etherium is supposed to be a market
pigeons: CheapBoy: i asked that too, was told "no". but try #etherum. actually, i heard they were emailing (!) encrypted wallets (perhaps generated with not-so-random keys via mouse movements!)
pigeons: so i suppose you could sell the wallet
pigeons: probably they won't email you the wallet for another few bfl-months, but i hae no actual clue about that
mike_c: um, selling private keys is not so practical. ask bingo and pankkake :)
pigeons: well sell it before it's cracked from its not-so-randomness
mike_c: and pinky-swear to delete your copy
BingoBoingo: mike_c: Situation has been remedied. Key in question was not sold so much as held by each of us in trust of a higher powah.
pigeons: or maybe you have a really random mouse movement
CheapBoy: Thanks pidgeons and bingoboingo.
BingoBoingo: CheapBoy: Well, have you started looking at setting up GPG yet, since that would be necessary to do the trade?
BingoBoingo: CheapBoy: If you set up GPG and register in the WoT I'll lend you a rating so you can self voice.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12896 @ 0.0007949 = 10.251 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: !up CheapBoy
copumpkin: damn! mpoe below .8
copumpkin: all is lost
pigeons: CheapBoy: ether not usable or transferrable unless ethereum actually comes out one day
mike_c: it was under 76 before the break.
assbot: Hi, we are the Ethereum Project Team. Ask us anything! : IAmA
CheapBoy: +BingoBoingo Thanks, but the links seem to be down
assbot: Alex Cabal
mike_c: CheapBoy: you got something odd stuck on the end or that URL. https://alexcabal.com/creating-the-perfect-gpg-keypair/
assbot: Creating the perfect GPG keypair - Alex Cabal
BingoBoingo: CheapBoy: Here's a basic link for setting up a workspace for drafting GPG text http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/pgpgpg-guide/
assbot: PGP/GPG Guide | Bingo Blog
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CheapBoy: Cool. The gribble bot wrote that link actually.
BingoBoingo: Gribble sometimes fucks links
assbot: OpenPGP Best Practices - help.riseup.net
assbot: Creating a new GPG key | Ana's blog
CheapBoy: Alrighty I'm getting the GPG running.
CheapBoy: But I have to get some sleep, 3am in sweden.
CheapBoy: Hope someone can voice me next time
BingoBoingo: CheapBoy: I'll look for you and keep throwing voice at you
BingoBoingo: !up CheapBoy
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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: conventional munitions alarm << you mean, ears ringing? or smelled the unmistakeable smell of trotyl? or actual electric alarm?
BingoBoingo: I was going to ask, but figured if I had to...
asciilifeform is actually quite familiar with the construction of such alarms, and their shortcomings.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo and other us-ians probably know that one shouldn't take an old set of shooting earmuffs to the airport, and why...
BingoBoingo has never actually been to an aitport
BingoBoingo: *airport
asciilifeform: seriously?
asciilifeform: not once?
BingoBoingo: Havent'd had occasion to yet. Imagine my first airport experience will prolly happen in Mexico
pigeons: as a kid you didnt go run around them back when it was possible?
pigeons: or a teenager bring a girl to sit on the car and "watch the planes"
asciilifeform not exactly a pith-helmeted hero of world travel; went to an airport for the first time in ~22 yrs. to visit mircea_popescu and other phriends back in april.
BingoBoingo: Well, I've been to field's where ultralights operated
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: you mean small airplanes in general? or specifically 'ultralights' ?
pigeons: anyway, you're not missing anything now, everyone's in a hurry and scared
BingoBoingo: pigeons: As a teen there were closer places to take girls to "watch the nothing"
asciilifeform: because, if i recall, 'ultralights' (IANAL - but if i recall, defined as ~100kg and below) are actually unregulated, and can be flown anywhere in usa, by anyone
pigeons: yes that's still the case
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Specifically ultralight. Driven past airports for slightly bigger planes.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: A thing that has it's big national get together locally is "powered parachutes"
asciilifeform: paraglider?
pigeons: i want a jetpack
danielpbarron: does anyone know who the owner of the #bitcoin- group is?
asciilifeform: jetpack << as in, the one flying machine that is guaranteed to kill you if the engine cuts out?
pigeons: oh dont ruin my fun with reality
pigeons: itll be powered by ETH so it wont cut off
asciilifeform old enough to remember when technical magazines had ads in the back for 'build your own helicopter from tractor!'
pigeons: ETH is not a security and this is not an attempt to solicit investments from unqualified investors. its a fuel.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: We get those too, but like seriously a powered parachute http://icons.wunderground.com/data/wximagenew/n/nlwi/9.jpg
BingoBoingo: pigeons: Only a fuel if you like engine knock
BingoBoingo remembers at boyscout camp one of the older scouts spaying ether into the campfire to discourage us young'uns from spraying pug spray into the fire
BingoBoingo: *bug spray
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: ether << standard equipment in boyscout kit?
pigeons: yeah i remember the scout leaders telling us emphatically not to smoke the local funky weed
asciilifeform: can one even buy ether in usa outside of a terrorist catalogue?
pigeons: so of course it had the opposite effect
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well I was ~6th grade at the time and age ranged up to High School degenerates in the group
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Available in "engine starting fluid"
pigeons: or if you have a buddy who works in a chemistry lab
pigeons: they make real good friends
BingoBoingo: The sprayer's family had ~8 or 9 muscle cars in various states on non-function in their yard at the time.
BingoBoingo: pigeons: If you have a friend in the chemistry lab there are more interesting things to consider than ether
BingoBoingo: Though some amount of ether may be useful as a solvent... TO acieve other things...
pigeons: yes of course. by might as well get the ether there too
BingoBoingo: And of course the net result of the spritz of ether into the campfire was panic for ~1.5 miles in any direction
decimation: idiots in the midwest smoke jimson weed
asciilifeform: decimation: the 'zombie cucumber' ?
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decimation: indeed, I always called it jimson weed. nasty stuff, grows up 6 ft tall in a few months
BingoBoingo: decimation: In large parts of the forested midwest cannabis, albeit of poor quality has nativized itself
decimation: I thought it was always native
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BingoBoingo: decimation: Well, these are hard problems to pin down in the way that some people advance certain species of carp as invasive, when here they are all invasive.
decimation: it's racis to call carp invasive
BingoBoingo: Carp are like retarded midget whales, fucking filter feeders who readily inbreed (see goldfish)
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BingoBoingo: People keep forgetting Potassium Chloride was the lethal component of lethal injection cocktails http://www.cbsnews.com/news/arizona-execution-takes-two-hours-to-finish/
assbot: Joseph Rudolph Wood execution in Arizona delayed for appeal - CBS News
BingoBoingo: decimation: In the Americas European carp are invasive too
BingoBoingo: Fucking water pigeons is what they all are really
decimation: lol in the the stereotypical black person likes carp, apparently in the uk the stereotypical eastern european likes carp: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2306769/No-Eastern-Europeans-sign-placed-carp-fishing-lake-angry-landowner-claims-stolen-fish.html
assbot: 'No Eastern Europeans' sign placed at carp fishing lake by angry landowner who claims they have stolen his fish | Mail Online
BingoBoingo: Wait, carp are black people food now? I thought it was Wasps that first plagued this continent with them.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 31 @ 0.13350322 = 4.1386 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: Do blacks really like fried chicken and carp or is that just a stereotype?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.13286904 = 0.9301 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.12699999 = 1.143 BTC [-]
decimation: everyone knows that eastern europeans are going to cheat and steal the carp from your lake because they were raised as communists: http://www.economist.com/news/finance-and-economics/21607830-more-people-are-exposed-socialism-worse-they-behave-lying-commies
assbot: Economics and ethics: Lying commies | The Economist
BingoBoingo: Chicken is old hand but carp is a new one for me. I might have suspected catfish as a stereotype, because like fried chicken everyone loves fried catfish. Carp though have so many pin bones in their filets. Honestly I find Gar a better use of my fishing time than carp.
asciilifeform eastern europeans are going to cheat and steal the carp from your lake << actually did this. conformed to stereotype.
decimation: yeah actually that's a neat experiment
decimation: it would be fun to try on your friends
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.13500001 = 1.485 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Perks of living near a Hillbilly gathering point http://i.imgur.com/zHwVb6H.jpg
decimation: do folks here have a method of scraping complex webpages like banks for .pdf statements?
decimation: web 2.0 is so poorly designed that this barely exists, instead of being a first class featue
decimation: I've tried beautiful soup, it sucked ass. I tried splinter, it sucked ass. refuse to touch phantomjs.
Rassah: Hah! Bitcoin Pete's article: "Vitalik Buterin, he of "autism is the same as intelligence" fame"
Rassah: I wonder if Bitcoin Pete has met an inteligent person in his life
Rassah: iRL
BingoBoingo: Well, pete's a jew and there are a lot of smart members of the tribe
Rassah: My tribe consists of Tsiolkovsky and Tozoni, so I've been surrounded by extremely intimidating levels of inteligence...
Rassah: There aren't a lot of smart people in bitcoinland... I have a feeling Bitcoin Pete isn't one either, but is regurgitating things other smart people are saying in his blogs. A beneficial service I guess
TheNewDeal: he bought a nice bitcoin bet from me
BingoBoingo: Well, if pete isn't smart then he's been incredibly lucky.
Rassah: That statement of his tells me he either has never met Vitalik in person, or doesn't know what an inteligent person is like
Rassah: TheNewDeal: Bitcoin bet?
TheNewDeal: he sent me .1 btc, I sold him a position in the bastille day bet
Rassah: p.s. I'm not saying their etherium deal is a good one. I don't think investing in ether can in any way give a better return than investing in bitcoin... I don't think vitalik is much of a finance guy, either, so I'm not sure if this "ipo" ca be blamed on him
BingoBoingo: Well, if he isn't much of a finance guy... Shouldn't he be outsourcing the expertise?
Rassah: I thought he was? Etherium is run by a large group of people, including finance guys
Rassah: I think...
BingoBoingo: I dunno much other than the picked the worst name for their tokens...
BingoBoingo: Ether is just going to feed the flames about Rapey cryptocoiners
Rassah: rapey?
BingoBoingo: Prolly worse than Doge'y style did...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30900 @ 0.00079478 = 24.5587 BTC [+] {2}
Rassah: Eh, Etherium at least has an application. Doge was just a self-aware joke
Rassah: Also, as is most important in any crptocurrency (even moreso than its "features") Etherium has a team of good developers with a specific goals, who want to work to develop it no matter the price. Doge (and arguably most others, possibly incluing Litecoin) does not.
BingoBoingo: Pascal had an application... Busses have an application... Pretty sure Doge had an application even if it wasn't a pretty one.
decimation: hammers & tulips have an application - neither are good canidates for money
BingoBoingo: decimation: I <3 tack hammers
Rassah: My rule #1 for investing is invest in the team, not the idea. Awesome idea with morons behind it will go nowhere. For Altcoins, an awesome idea with a single developer behind it will crash and busn as soon as that developer gets bored and goes to do something else
Rassah: *busn = burn
Rassah: decimation: why do you think Etherium is a candidate for money???
BingoBoingo: Nah, you just need to pick altcoins with better jokes like Altcoin...
decimation: umm, people are trading money for it, with the expectation of spending on stuff in the future?
BingoBoingo: My current beef with Etherium is that despite all of their protests they are selling equity in a something.
Rassah: decimation: Airline companies are spending money on jet fluel futures, with expectation of using it in the future. Doesn't mean jet fuel is money
BingoBoingo: Jet fuel actually makes great money.
Rassah: BingoBoingo: Protests? When I alked to them, they wanted to sell equity in it, but couldn't due to regulatory crap
BingoBoingo: Rassah: But what do the do? They de facto sell equity.
Rassah: I'm starting to suspect the things they talk about in private do not match the spin they put out in public...
BingoBoingo: Much like BFL sold equity in the company.
Rassah: BingoBoingo: but they wanted to sell equity... (Etherium)
Rassah: and now they are... so....
BingoBoingo: This "pre-order" "pre-sale" crap constitutes a sale of equity. Period.
Rassah: yes. Like they hoped and planned to do
Rassah: at least in private...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 30 @ 0.13006666 = 3.902 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: If you don't have anything to deliver and you sell "whatevers" the "whatevers" you bought constitute equity in the concern
BingoBoingo: Among the other things Sonny V could go back to jail for equities fraud is a leading candidate.
Rassah: In summary, they had an idea they thought was awesome, they wanted to spend a year working on this awesome idea of theirs, without having to worry about jobs or income, so they marketed their idea to bitcoiners who like dumping money into altcoins... Sounds like they weren't dumb at all about this :)
Rassah: Though not sure about the ethics of this...
decimation: the label "money" isn't relevant - jet fuel is eminently salable, whereas the salability of ethereum is extremely dubious - and that's the property I was interested in specifying with the word "money"
BingoBoingo: Well, their biggest concern should be locating themselves in friendly jurisdictions that don't extradite.
TheNewDeal: so true
Rassah: decimation: What do you think about Namecoin?
decimation: it's not bitcoin
BingoBoingo: Namecoin is jet fuel sort of great, splendid utility, but externalities neuter it as a value.
BingoBoingo: The merged mining that saved namecoin now cripples it.
TheNewDeal: why so?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 533 @ 0.00293008 = 1.5617 BTC [+] {6}
Rassah: decimation: K... Point is, regardless of what ether is ultimately worth, if they do come up with a system that's as usable as they hope it will be, you could think of ether is jet fuel needed to run it. It won't be money, and, privately, the ether guys don't seem to want etherium to be money either. Just coins you plunk into the system to keep it rnning
Rassah: BingoBoingo: I'm interested too. How so?
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: Because what do the Big BTC pools that merge namecoin do? Almost uniformly they dump it. Now... there's enough NMC out there that a sufficiently well monetized party could stabilize the market, but doing so would be expensive and bloody
TheNewDeal: seems relatively stable as of late?
BingoBoingo: Rassah: Being a plus that can be mined on top of BTC with little opportunity cost is a handicap.
Rassah: Why do you need to stabilize Namecoin? It's not money :/
TheNewDeal: seems like a good distribution model
Rassah: If the demand for .bit domain names, addresses, and identities goes up, demand for namecoin will go up. Right now, it just says that no one realy uses .bit
BingoBoingo: ^ Rassah Without stability .bit just lacks appeal.
Rassah: BingoBoingo: My .bit domains are perfectly stable and functional
BingoBoingo: Then there's the tendency of NMC miners to reject tx's because it's just their free bonus coin with purchase of BTC mining
Rassah: I don't keep NMC as mone, stre of value, or a transaction mechanism. I keep it as "a cost to register and renew a domain name"
TheNewDeal: don't btc miners do that too?
Rassah: *stre = store
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: Few BTC miners find mining empty blocks an economically optimal choice.
BingoBoingo: Anymore
Rassah: Look at NMC as a fluctuating cost at a domain registry, not as an alt coin.
TheNewDeal: well I didn't say empty. You said reject tx's
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: Rejected tx's happen on a scale.
Rassah: Any of you guys ever go to conferences?
TheNewDeal: timiosara!?!
TheNewDeal: somebody just went to that bitcoin hippy festival called porcine or something
BingoBoingo: So, last friday I'm at the bar and my friends point out a dude with a Bitcoin T-shirt. Suggest I start a conversation. I point out that in the best case they are a stranger, and in the worst case they are some petty scammer I blogged about.
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