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BingoBoingo: !up chax
BingoBoingo marvels over how common aluminum oxides are and yet how coveted particular tained aluminum oxides are
asciilifeform: decimation: knuth was, in fact, wrong. there are inadequacies in a pseudorandom sequence of whatever variety that do not concern cryptography at all. see, for example, this - http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-03-2014#574674
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
dub: BingoBoingo: related thinkg floated past my twitter feed http://kidsactivitiesblog.com/9140/mummification-lets-mummify-barbie
assbot: Mummification: Let's Mummify Barbie! - Kids Activities Blog
BingoBoingo has mixed feelings. would like to see if pcp give asciilifeform further practical paranoia or takes him over the edge
asciilifeform hasn't tried, generally works sober
BingoBoingo still believs in "Balmer Coefficient" even if Ballmer hasn't hit it himself in decades.
BingoBoingo: dub: I am horrified at that lapse. You can't rightly mummify things that never lived.
dub: (official party twitter acct)
BingoBoingo: dub: OMG 7 is te new 4!!!
dub: and if you fold a 20 yuan note in 3 and holt it upside down maos nose looks like a 7
dub: also teh cure for aids was on that flight
dub: and 7 is the gayest number
BingoBoingo: I thought <-8 was the gayest number
BingoBoingo: !up jborkl
jborkl: Thank you
BingoBoingo: You are welcome jborkl
jborkl: So how is the mpex rebuild progressing?
BingoBoingo: Seems to be going from MP's reports... Just the pain of rebuilding and robusting at the same time is a further necessary pain
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 626.89, Best ask: 626.9, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 626.89, 24 hour volume: 4729.62277386, 24 hour low: 610.0, 24 hour high: 629.0, 24 hour vwap: 619.870745689
BingoBoingo: So... mircea_popescu offers camgirls 0.1 BTC for tits, I offer lawsky 0.01 for sharpie in the pooper
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 64 @ 0.17409562 = 11.1421 BTC [-] {16}
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Link to http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/04/11_bitcoin-assets-new-wot-and-voice-model.html on #b-a site is broken because benkay kills blawgs
assbot: 404 Not Found
BingoBoingo: !up bayareacoins
BingoBoingo: !up smidge
bayareacoins: Thanks man
BingoBoingo: You're welcome
bayareacoins: How is your day going? Anything fun and exciting or just another day in the neighborhood?
BingoBoingo: Just drunk as fuck and shat out a new blawg post
bayareacoins: Niceeee whatcha drinking on?
BingoBoingo: bayareacoins: Grain alcohol and distilled water. POE
bayareacoins: If you ever need a bottle of Pappy Van Winkle or anything similar to that let me know and I can probably beat markets price
BingoBoingo: WFT is Pappy van winkle???
bayareacoins: Small batch bourbon. Best bourbon in the universe good sir.
BingoBoingo: And how does it advance my goal of purity of essence. Simple mix of ETOH and H2O
BingoBoingo: Ruskies just shot down a plane of CIA aids inventors https://twitter.com/DoubleEmMartin/status/489945991949594624 have to start cleansing nao.
bayareacoins: If you have to ask then you probably don't need to know :D Just know if you ever do want a bottle of Pappy hit me up :)
bayareacoins: Now that you heard about it tonight I bet you hear about it at least twice more this week. Generally how it works
BingoBoingo: I actually prefer the standards. Distilled liqour is an area where the scaling up tends to produce more consistent quality.
bayareacoins: These are $2000 bottles + . They only bottle 3000 23yr's on the years they do bottle.
BingoBoingo: And if I am in a Whiskey mood how does $2000 for moonshine beat General Grant's favorite old corw at the low end or moiety's people at the high end?
bayareacoins: You've seen $2000 moonshine before?
bayareacoins: I'm from the Ozarks and have never seen that :D
bayareacoins: BingoBoingo good sir, you have a wonderful night. I'm off to holler at this chick and then pass out.
BingoBoingo: bayareacoins: That's part of the problem with the price point. I've drank small batch hillbilly made and aged moonshine. Scarcity for its own sake does not guarentee a premium product
bayareacoins: You're out of your element Donny :D google Pappy Van Winkle. Gnight :D
BingoBoingo: I have a feeling the natural end to this debate would be similar to Mircea's debate about wines
BingoBoingo: Trying to jsut artificially up the price is an LVHM sort of scam
dub: there is the small matter of aesthetics
BingoBoingo: dub: Aethetics is a large matter
BingoBoingo: Whiskey can only get so good in Kentucky and Wild Turkey and Knobb Creek own that niche. To get better you need Wisky from Scotland.
dub: im not going to argue but I know people who would
dignork: BingoBoingo: why do you assume that killswitch opportunity is over (your link to loper)?
BingoBoingo: dignork: Nash Equilibrium
dignork: at the time of writing balance was different?
BingoBoingo: Well compare pub dates.
dignork: 2 years ago, gox is dead, large holders still exist, potential of dropping price to near zero is still there
BingoBoingo: Dropping to near zero on Stamp et al is still possible, but... Actual drop to near zero isn't possible...
BingoBoingo: Not anymore
dignork: ;;market sell 100000
gribble: Bitstamp | A market order to sell 100000 bitcoins right now would net 10818261.1549 USD and would take the last price down to 0.0100 USD, resulting in an average price of 108.1826 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 39.6821 seconds
BingoBoingo: And who other than a govenment would survive doing such a sell on stamp to colelct their fiat after the Bitstamp anal probe?
dignork: tbh, i don't think that short price drop would kill the system, but I still don't see how today is different from 2012
BingoBoingo: Well, how much BTC does Usagi or Dank control atm?
dignork: dunno, 10k?
BingoBoingo: Honestly that change was what made $100/BTC possible
BingoBoingo: Nah, maybe together they control 15
dignork: So them loosing btc, makes killswitch impossible?
BingoBoingo: Well, it makes it harder that dude who can't sell his guitar and dude who can't sell his bike no longer have BTC to sell
BingoBoingo: !up Duffer1
BingoBoingo: dignork: That people who hold BTC now are capable of buying more if it goes down instead of crying makes a big difference.
mircea_popescu: assbot: Stem cell treatment causes nasal growth in woman's back - health - 08 July 2014 - New Scientist << lmao
mircea_popescu: dignork: i thought about it, kind of partial reversal in case hash input size is smaller than hash output << you have to look into rainbow tables. try something easy and well studied like md5
mircea_popescu: by the time you've got a few tbs of rainbow tables you generally also have a good enough understanding of why exactly whitening doesn't do much.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell decimation you'll have to bear in mind knuth was interested in randomness from the perspective of scientific simulation, not from the perspective of cryptography (a topic he never reasearched or to any degree understood)
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: Azi nu se sarbatoreste nimic pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: jborkl: So how is the mpex rebuild progressing? << slowly.
mircea_popescu: !up Madeline
mircea_popescu: !up mrX_
mrX_: ty
mircea_popescu: yw. so who are you ?
mrX_: BitBet user
Madeline: how do I get gribble to authorize me?
mrX_: I wonder if BitBet has anything to say about how they are refusing to resolve this bet http://bitbet.us/bet/951/silk-road-coin-auction-extravaganza/
assbot: BitBet - Silk Road Coin Auction Extravaganza :: 2.15 B (29%) on Yes, 5.3 B (71%) on No | closed 3 weeks 8 hours ago
mircea_popescu: Madeline are you registered ?
assbot: first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki]
mircea_popescu: mrX_ waiting for teh usms to come up with the winning bid.
Madeline: I'm going to say no
mircea_popescu: Madeline then folow pankkake's link
assbot: BitBet - Silk Road Coin Auction Extravaganza :: 2.15 B (29%) on Yes, 5.3 B (71%) on No | closed 3 weeks 8 hours ago
mircea_popescu: pankkake it's almost like 4chan pre-cancer.
Madeline: awesome, thank you!
mrX_: trolls will be trolls
pankkake: I hope we eventually know though, refunds are no fun
fluffypony: I don't get why that bet is an issue
pankkake: I'm not sure they realize bitbet takes the fee anyways
fluffypony: the price hasn't been released
mircea_popescu: fluffypony new people.
pankkake: they consider it won't ever be?
mircea_popescu: !up bitcoinhtx
fluffypony: pankkake: as far as I'm aware there have been a bunch of FOIA requests submitted, so it will be made public
mircea_popescu: fluffypony wouldn';t be the first time the usg ignores the us law.
fluffypony: that's true, but then we wait for the FOIA requests to be rejected
pankkake: what are the typical delays for this?
fluffypony: pankkake: around a month
mircea_popescu: pankkake legally required to answer within 30 days.
pankkake: wow, well. it's pretty clear it's best to wait
mircea_popescu: and to think tho, this was going to be such a sweet psych op. they had it all planned and shit. and nao...
mircea_popescu: cowering behind desks, can't even say what the grandiose auction closed for.
fluffypony: maybe they've been asked not to release the price
fluffypony: by the winner
mircea_popescu: a few moar victories like this and teh usg won't need any defeats.
pankkake: what, you think there's an organized conspiracy or something?
Madeline: I came here to draw something on my tits from this post - http://trilema.com/2014/ill-pay-for-your-tits/
assbot: I’ll pay for your tits pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: pankkake yes. they were going to announce it originally. but then...
mircea_popescu: Madeline link to your prev work ?
pankkake: I wasn't aware of any promise to make the price public
assbot: Vidble
mircea_popescu: Madeline got anything where you're a) nude and b) it's not a grainy 320x200 px ?
mrX_: I would be surprised if they made the price public any time soon
mircea_popescu: mrX_ whyssat ?
mrX_: Typical government
mrX_: Only releasing things when forced
pankkake: but that's what the FOIA requests are for right?
Madeline: Well, I just started getting naked on the internet in the last 48 hours, sooooo... not yet! BUUUUT... I'm ready to break out the DSLR and bestow upon you the gifts of my HD nakedness.
BigBitz: Hmm.
BigBitz: when did we become -camwhores, mircea_popescu?
mircea_popescu: !up Madeline
mircea_popescu: Madeline aite, put 6bb91297 on your tits and shoot it then. here's your model : http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-07-2014#744684 and mind that if you don't match her you're not getting paid.
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
mircea_popescu: BigBitz nothin' wrong with a bit o' fresh tit is there.
BigBitz: There is not..... there certainly is not.
mrX_: I suppose. I'll give government credit if they do, but I wouldn't be surprised if they deny it as privileged financial information.
mircea_popescu: mrX_ as what ?
pankkake: Madeline: related to your previous questions about gribble, registering and completing the task will likely get you a trust rating
punkman1: did any other girls show their face or just saffron?
assbot: Rating Details for User 'sexy_saffron'
mircea_popescu: punkman1 working to improve the qualityt of camwhork
punkman1: bunch of wannabes
pankkake: since it was posted on reddit where many don't, it's not surprising
pankkake: (and don't do that for a living either)
mircea_popescu: buncha wannabes
mircea_popescu: pankkake saffron was off reddit
punkman1: plenty of pros on reddit I'd say
mircea_popescu: all kinds.
mircea_popescu: mixed bag of all time.
Madeline: i'll definitely register after I complete my picture challenge... this shit is really cool.
mircea_popescu: what do you do other than strippin' ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 500 @ 0.0027 = 1.35 BTC [-]
Madeline: Am I really "stripping?" I feel like that technically requires a linear timelines of clothing removal while dancing... I'm just starting straight from naked.
mircea_popescu: well w/e you'd call it.
punkman1: coupla girls saw me reading the pay-for-your-tits post, first question "do I have to show my face or just tits?"
BigBitz: do we have tits yet?
fluffypony: BigBitz: we have bitz
fluffypony makes a punny
Madeline: Well, aside from being NAKED, I'm going to level up this cliche with COLLEGE STUDENT! Go team!
BigBitz: hmm we have a smart one then... using words like loinera and understanding them.
BigBitz: err linear.
mircea_popescu: Madeline lmao.
mircea_popescu: studying what ?
mircea_popescu: (social sciences)
punkman1: I told them "what you wanna be like the 100 other shy reddit girls, forget it"
BigBitz: ( home ec )
mircea_popescu: punkman1 word.
punkman1: maybe I should recruit next time I'm at the nude beach
BigBitz: bring Tits.
mircea_popescu: punkman1 good idea.
BigBitz: I am still seeing no tits... ping timeout... ffs.
mircea_popescu: !up yuckfou
mircea_popescu: !up madeline
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
madeline: sorry, my internet exploded and then put itself back together...
BigBitz: So... Tits then?
madeline: tits are coming... I've been busy answering questions about my LIFE to internet strangers because i missed the school house rock episode about not doing that.
mircea_popescu: we're all internet famous here, so no strangers.
BigBitz: I'm not famous.
mircea_popescu: well except you.
punkman1: everyone gets a minute of fame on the internets
punkman1: story time: I was at this remote beach camping with a dozen other people. Family shows up one morning via boat and sets up tents nearby. After a few hours Old Man approaches us and is like "hey guys can you put away all the dongs, we got kids here" while not being able to take his eyes off all the perky titties splashing in the water.
mircea_popescu: sooo... "hpow about you park your kids somewhere els then" ?
punkman1: they had unpacked two boatfuls of crap already, too much work
BigBitz: So the way I read that is you were running around with your dong out and other guys had their dongs out.
punkman1: sure
punkman1: are you scared of dongs BigBitz?
BigBitz: No bro.
mircea_popescu: well he's not famous, so...
pankkake: to my French ears, your nick sounds like big ding dong
punkman1: I just don't get this whole "my kid will be scarred for life if he lays eyes upon some genitals"
mircea_popescu: anyway, worst part of remote camping with a dozen other people
mircea_popescu: is that one of those people will be late
mircea_popescu: and everyone will have forgotten the pee tests
mircea_popescu: and hysteria.
BigBitz: do we have tits yet?
mircea_popescu: dude what's your urgency
BigBitz: Boredom?
BigBitz: Expectance?
mircea_popescu: tits are on bitbet.
BigBitz: Trying to distract myself from my real work.
punkman1: need tits to take mind off silk road auction bitbet
mircea_popescu: must suck not to be famous and having to work
mircea_popescu: !up madeline
assbot: Puzzles for Postmen on Vimeo
moiety: !up RedStallion
fluffypony: moiety! you're alive!
moiety: fluffypony: I am! I have been, i just wasnt very well so i was reading logs more. How are you?
fluffypony: I'm ok
fluffypony: how is the sex weeks flat?
moiety: lovely! I got some plants because they were half dying and they've perked up :D how's the flash drive? do you use the keyring?
madeline: almost done
moiety: i've had a ploshay-esque face recently, had a tooth out and took a reaction. hamster-look was inescapable
fluffypony: moiety: I haven't used the key ring, but flash drive is awesome - thank you :)
moiety: yvw fluffypony
moiety: hi Vexual
Vexual: hi
moiety: how's things?
Vexual: not too shabby
Vexual: did you set up shop?
Vexual: !up madeline
madeline: okay i have finished!
madeline: TITS ARE READY
moiety: Vexual: i'm still looking at materials, had too much else on
moiety: yay good stuff madeline :]
madeline: sooo... what do I do next
madeline: is there a countdown... a parade...
fluffypony: you upload it and post the link here
madeline: but i wanted a parade first
moiety: o rest assured we're parading
cazalla: looks like i put mario kart down at the right time
mircea_popescu: lol nuts.
mircea_popescu: madeline your bitcoin address ?
cazalla: ah fuck
madeline: 1GhyE6ec2iWzNbZrLnDCM1UJZcWZwAmMnp
cazalla: my old school teacher was on MH17
assbot: Kanahooka couple among those lost on MH17 flight | Illawarra Mercury
madeline: thanks dad
BigBitz: damn, cazalla :(
cazalla: yeah :\ I had him in primary school, like year 4 or 5
BigBitz: Awful news. :(
moiety: sorry to hear cazalla, it's really tragic
cazalla: ah i don't really care
moiety: i didn't know anyone on the flight and i kinda do
BigBitz: why 6bb9 1297 or whatever?
pankkake: BigBitz: this was answered before, but maybe you can guess
pankkake: tip: it might depend on your IRC client settings
BigBitz: Hmm.
BigBitz: No idea, pankkake.
pankkake: it's the random id assigned by webchat, you see it in the join line for example
madeline: can i ask a question, or do I have to leave now that i've given up the goods?
cazalla: stay
fluffypony: you don't have to ask to ask, just ask :)
chetty: make an account, hang around :)
Vexual: hey she asked
pankkake: you're more than welcome to stay - and register
madeline: well, it's more than one question actually... how did you all find each other? do you any of you each other in real life? what is the purpose of this particular chat group? how many people are pantsless, but still wearing socks right now?
chetty: lo, nice questions
madeline: *do any of you know each other in real life?
pankkake: some do
madeline: i ez rel gooodz at zee tiepeen
pankkake: I'm at work and fully clothed, thank god for the air conditioning though
fluffypony: I've gotten semi-sober with xmj at the Depeche Mode bar in Tallinn, Estonia
dub: pants and two pair socks here
Vexual: shit it's hotter there than here pankakke
dub: fucking 3c outside
assbot: Yo #bitcoin-assets, I put contrarianism in your contrarianism | pankkake
chetty: many of the people here have met at various conf.
madeline: pankkake: what area of the planet are in the vicinity of?
madeline: because it's the middle of the night where i am... so i assume you're at least half a planet away
pankkake: I'm in France
assbot: Financial Cryptography: Casebook for a disaster: google's BebaPay and why it is wrong, wrong, wrong
Vexual: where are you from madeline?
assbot: The stuff all good conspiracy theories start with pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: lol fluffypony
madeline: california
Vexual: i was guessing hawaii, but i guess im just being pedantic
chetty: !up madeline
madeline: i wish i was in Hawaii
assbot: Comcastic service disconnection by ryan.block on SoundCloud - Hear the worlds sounds
madeline: so most of you work on bitcoin related endeavors?
mircea_popescu: an' that's all for me. laters.
assbot: Erik Voorhees response to NYDFS Bitcoin Proposal
Vexual: fucking giuliani
pankkake: madeline: some do, I don't know about most
madeline: that's a great article, or "reflection" rather... thanks for sharing
kakobrekla: while reddit "is this a good thing ??"
pankkake: both reddit and bitcointalk though regulation will be here to help them
pankkake: thought
pankkake: for months it was all about some "JOBS" act
pankkake: what do they think, that the bitcoin securities exchange would be allowed as is?
pankkake: !up madeline
dub: so don't transact wiht americans?
Vexual: they'll learn
dub: vorhees is tool and what the fuck i swrong with that font?
Vexual: he writes well
pankkake: http://moneyandstate.com/role-bitcoin-money/ this is a good intro to bitcoin actually
assbot: The Role of Bitcoin as Money - Money and State
dub: he writes like an entitled teenager
dub: feels like im reading an episode of scooby doo
Vexual: thats the worst analogy ever; ther is not a single mystery in it
chetty: <dub> so don't transact wiht americans?//thats about the size of it
dub: im srsly not seeing much downside here
dub: they are increasingly irrelevant and, god willing, wont be around much longer anyway
chetty: but they splash a lot going down
kakobrekla: BingoBoingo link updated ;)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 197 @ 0.00267 = 0.526 BTC [-] {2}
Vexual: hey tat
Vexual: went you once capitalised?
thickasthieves: yeah i decided to see if it was case-sens
thickasthieves: it's not
thickasthieves: hehe /r/buttcoin now has "sponsored by Butterfly Labs" on it
assbot: Erik Voorhees response to NYDFS Bitcoin Proposal
thickasthieves: sry if linked already, havent read yesterday's log yet
Vexual: pankakke linked that not half an hour ago
thickasthieves: fukn florida electricity was all spotty yesterday so i got tired of re-authing over and over
pankkake: I was surprised it wasn't posted earlier though
thickasthieves: i was hoping mp would write something up on the matter
chetty: thickasthieves, its just more muricans digging their own grave
Vexual: learning
thickasthieves: processing
assbot: Young Scientists Say They're Sexually Abused In The Field : Shots - Health News : NPR
Vexual: fucking giuliani
thickasthieves: Can Rudy Giuliani Rescue Uber? The ridesharing app’s drivers have variously been accused of rape, kidnapping, and abuse. Now it’s bringing in the former New York City mayor to audit its background check process.
Vexual: shit, the world really is cukoo
jurov: they shoud start to abduct kids, too
jurov: and public indecencies
pankkake: he said kidnapping
jurov: but afaik not children
jurov: yet
pankkake: napping
Vexual: what about the state licensed taxi drivers?
pankkake: they're Regulated, thus can do no wrong
[]bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "BTC to top $800 before August" http://bitbet.us/bet/994/ Odds: 18(Y):82(N) by coin, 19(Y):81(N) by weight. Total bet: 17.33142557 BTC. Current weight: 66,299.
jurov: pankkake exactly.
chetty: didn't you guys know, unregulated = evil
thickasthieves: is there any good writing on why money laundering shouldnt be illegal or similar ideas?
chetty: should be a good topic with all the good(bad) examples of what goes wrong with bad law, everything from prohibition to the drug war
chetty: and the gubermint laments about the poor 'unbanked' while banks get harder and harder ...
thickasthieves: (unclear what you meant)
pankkake: perhaps they don't like the unbanked because they don't like cash
chetty: well all the kyc and aml rules make it harder for people to get 'banked' (not saying thats a bad thing)
thickasthieves: it is a bad thing
thickasthieves: money should be more private
assbot: New Underground Economy | Cato Institute
thickasthieves: i'd like to also see some stats on organized crime and terrorism stopped thanks to AML
thickasthieves: Know Your Terroist
chetty: much of the real burden of these compliance costs will fall on those least able to afford it, while those intent on finding their way around it will do so.
chetty: that statement strikes me as the real crux of the issue
assbot: AML and OFAC Compliance Straining Banks’ Budgets, Study Finds | Bank Systems & Technology
pankkake: it's just about taxes
chetty: taxes and control
Vexual: tru dat
thickasthieves: maybe they should simplify taxes
thickasthieves: just pay a fukn citizenship monthly fee or some shit
Vexual: your everyday highsteeet banj is sgit at tax stuff
chetty: too many people making too much money out of current system
pankkake: if taxes were simple, people would realize how much they pay
pankkake: I can tell you most Frenchies have no idea they pay >50% a year, yet do
thickasthieves: "Some might argue that developing economies cannot afford to be too selective about the sources of capital they attract. But postponing action is dangerous. The more it is deferred, the more entrenched organised crime can become." This is from a pro-AML article, but it's interesting if you take it out of context to mean any entity (incl government)
Vexual: i just saw that bhangladesi banker on bloberg today
assbot: Statistical Data - Money Laundering & Bank Secrecy Act (BSA)
Vexual: his stats were impeccible and he accepted 0 bullshit
thickasthieves: So AML gets 800 criminals per year and about 6 years in prison ea
Vexual: bhangladesh waterfront is buy
thickasthieves: A couple more reports for anyone interested:
thickasthieves: seems the industry is mostly focusing on automating
thickasthieves: costs rising 50% per year to comply
thickasthieves: "Despite increased investment in transaction monitoring systems, satisfaction has declined. Although transaction monitoring systems continue to represent the greatest area of AML spending, it appears that regulatory requirements are still outpacing system improvements"
Vexual: too long, reasonable steps is all you need
chetty: all that compliance simply drives more and more into underground economy
thickasthieves: "Seventy percent of respondents stated that they had received a regulatory visit which focused on KYC"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 333 @ 0.00267 = 0.8891 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 500 @ 0.00265 = 1.325 BTC [-]
thickasthieves: hmm will NFLX bleed more today, or Monday after earnings report?
thickasthieves: almost time to cover this short
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Vexual: i wonder how many pocket knices he stole
thickasthieves: logs were worth it
Vexual: all those brie wheels saved
thickasthieves: Save The Wheels
thickasthieves: surprise, it's a man boob!
assbot: Virus Bulletin : Mayhem a hidden threat for *nix web servers
Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUgOtitc7aU patiently awaiting the bitcoin album
thickasthieves: Vexual, you heard the new Freddie Gibbs?
Vexual: no, link it
assbot: Freddie Gibbs & Madlib - Shitsville (Official) - Piata - YouTube
thickasthieves: there're several cool songs on it
thickasthieves: i got the vinyl
Vexual: noice
pankkake: gyeah nigga, shit's real
Vexual: lol
Vexual: bb gonna email snoop now tho
Vexual: wax on drone
thickasthieves: Gais! Storj IPO today!
thickasthieves: watch people lose their bitcoins live: http://storj.io/crowdsale
assbot: Storj - The Crowdsale
Vexual: what is that?
thickasthieves: crowd storage scheme using cryptcoin tech
Vexual: le ponzo?
thickasthieves: basically you buy credits with bitcoin, then in a month the price for credits plummets when people realize how expensive it is in bitcoin
Vexual: or blatant theft?
Vexual: to what sipposed end?
thickasthieves: neither, they are shorting their credit value
Vexual: ghash w/o the mining?
pankkake: so it's another maidsafe?
pankkake: it is :/
Vexual: selling somet you can;t probide is theft where im from
thickasthieves: i'm not sure they wont provide, but they obv have their priorities set to getting dat bitcoin now
thickasthieves: oh btw, did i mention developers are keeping half the credits for themselves too?
thickasthieves: "Just three days after opening for business, Seattle's only weed retailer, Cannabis City, announced that its entire inventory had sold out."
thickasthieves: "In a legal market, retail producers and sellers should possess an advantage over the black market," Paul Armentano, deputy director of NORML, said in an email. "They should not be placed at a disadvantage because of the need to comply with unnecessary regulations or egregious taxation."
FabianB: $status
empyex: FabianB: Proxies: http://mpex.coinbr.com/ http://mpex.co/ MPEx-Status: Error reaching trade engine (change: $proxies <newlist>)
assbot: 401 Authorization Required
thickasthieves: RIP MPEx, we hardly knew ye
assbot: BitBet - And Then There Was One :: 7.59 B (56%) on Yes, 6.04 B (44%) on No | closing in 3 months 4 weeks | weight: 33`064 (100`000 to 1)
thickasthieves: should say MPEx instead
FabianB: so should i move over to havelock? ;)
assbot: New virtual currency INNCoin is backed by gold and ready to take down bitcoin
Vexual: bitcoin is backed by computers
chetty: Mpex will be back ...
assbot: Czech Republic Gets Its Own Virtual Currency - MoneyBeat - WSJ
thickasthieves: auroracoin 2.0
thickasthieves: why WSJ gives these scams attention, no idea
chetty: desperate for news?
pankkake: there have been many auroracoins
Vexual: bitcoin prolly had huge volume today and noone knows
thickasthieves: 'The central bank said the name of the virtual currency resembles the English translation of Česká koruna, the official Czech currency, and therefore was “unfortunate and misleading.”'
thickasthieves: Czech Central Bank sounds quite timid
thickasthieves: oh you are tricking people by creating a deceptive currency? that's unfortunate
Vexual: were you tricked into atrting altcoin?
Vexual: *starting
thickasthieves: i was incited at least
Vexual: tricking is different
thickasthieves: i wrote to the WSJ author to explain that he is shilling
Vexual: at least he's not spammin the chan with hewtube
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pankkake: !b 2
Vexual: good bash sir
mircea_popescu: ok so re mpex : the best news, really. the whole shebang is deployed and actually works, as best as anyone can determine. running a final swathe of test-all-the-edge-cases which i expect to pass 100%. bar some improbable unforeseenness, mpex should be back this weekend.
pankkake: so you said twice it would take a week, instead of saying it would take two weeks. smart
pankkake: (actually not really how it happened, but I tried)
mircea_popescu: anyway, the gpg blob from the engineer in charge was so long this morning i thought at first he's gonna kill himself and is sending me his life story.
FabianB: $proxies ".. running a final swathe of test-all-the-edge-cases .. mpex should be back this weekend."
empyex: FabianB: Temporarily saved.
empyex: FabianB: Proxies: ".. running a final swathe of test-all-the-edge-cases .. mpex should be back this weekend." MPEx-Status: Error reaching trade engine (change: $proxies <newlist>)
thickasthieves: is it weird to have no website at all when exchange is down?
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves like trilema ?
mircea_popescu: FabianB o hey nice
thickasthieves: mpex.co hasnt loaded for a while now
mircea_popescu: $proxies ".. running a final swathe of test-all-the-edge-cases .. mpex should be back this weekend. also fabian is pretty cool."
empyex: mircea_popescu: Temporarily saved.
empyex: mircea_popescu: Proxies: ".. running a final swathe of test-all-the-edge-cases .. mpex should be back this weekend. also fabian is pretty cool." MPEx-Status: Error reaching trade engine (change: $proxies <newlist>)
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves it wasn't really ever intended to do much as "the website"
thickasthieves: but there's other info there that is useful
Vexual: perhaps mpes is getting alibaba
thickasthieves: FAQ, last price, contact, pricing, etc
assbot: MPEx, the Bitcoin securities exchange.
Vexual: smpoe auddenlt buys 10 everything
mircea_popescu: Vexual including urmom ?
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves well yeah.
Vexual: alibaba is some billions
thickasthieves: i guess i'm just saying it's maybe a lil ghetto to have no website for days
Vexual: ghettos the formulae
mircea_popescu: dub: he writes like an entitled teenager. feels like im reading an episode of scooby doo << yeah well. it's hard dood.
thickasthieves: but i also used to sell brochures and websites for a living, sooooo....
mircea_popescu: i'm not sure ghetto is the word.
mircea_popescu: anticonsumer fo sho.
thickasthieves: unprofessional
Vexual: yeah thats kinda oppositely
mircea_popescu: only if your profession is seo expert.
thickasthieves: google delisted you
Vexual: fee going up?
thickasthieves: ;;google mpex
gribble: Midwest Photo Exchange Home page: <http://mpex.com/>; Midwest Photo Exchange MPEX Learning Studio: <http://mpex.com/learn>; MPEx - Bitcoin: <https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/MPEx>
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves yeah dude, google is like, important. everywhere.
mircea_popescu: i'm sitting here building a system that exists to beat into submission the us congress and it all depends on whether google delists me or not.
mircea_popescu: twitter is a major blow. that sorta thing.
mircea_popescu: this make any fucking sense to you ?
thickasthieves: hey you can take it to extremes to bat it away if you like
thickasthieves: just syain
mircea_popescu: point is, if mpex isn';t fine outside of everything that currently exists on the web, mpex isn't fine
mircea_popescu: because google is going a-fucking-way.
mircea_popescu: itcant be a dependency
thickasthieves: maybe you should block google spiders
thickasthieves: let's all do it
thickasthieves: this wil help the cause
Vexual: ;;google 0-0
gribble: Dividing by Zero - Math is Fun: <http://www.mathsisfun.com/numbers/dividing-by-zero.html>; Math Forum: Ask Dr. Math FAQ: Zero to Zero Power: <http://mathforum.org/dr.math/faq/faq.0.to.0.power.html>; Zero to the Zero Power -- Math Fun Facts: <https://www.math.hmc.edu/funfacts/ffiles/10005.3-5.shtml>
Vexual: google dont know shit
mircea_popescu: maybe just not care you know ?
Vexual: ;;google regex
gribble: Regular expression - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regular_expression>; Regular-Expressions.info - Regex Tutorial, Examples and ...: <http://www.regular-expressions.info/>; RegExr: Learn, Build, & Test RegEx: <http://www.regexr.com/>
mircea_popescu: is it ghetto and unprofessional to not care what the feminists have to say ?
mircea_popescu: because i suspect maybe this conceptual harness works more like a control tool directed towards the user
mircea_popescu: than what language is fucking intended to be (a control tool directed towards the environment)
thickasthieves: well i agree with you in that too much weight is being attributed to this concern
thickasthieves: i just disagree that it's all or nothing
thickasthieves: shit man, it's ok to have your website up when your exchange is down
thickasthieves: all i'm sayin
thickasthieves: people may even prfer it
mircea_popescu: trilema should be good enuf
thickasthieves: well everything should be the way that disrupts mp the least
mircea_popescu: pankkake: if taxes were simple, people would realize how much they pay << this lol.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.78950352 BTC to 12`338 shares, 14504 satoshi per share
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-07-2014#760791 << the funny thing there, of course, is that "organised crime" simply means "any power structure that's not us".
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
mircea_popescu: seems quite... organised crime-y to me.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 25.29973600 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 2200 satoshi per share
thickasthieves: hypocrisy as an indicator for a dying system
mircea_popescu: assbot: New virtual currency INNCoin is backed by gold and ready to take down bitcoin <<< one a fucking week by now ?
Vexual: prta ghash luck?
mthreat: "organized crime" isn't usually very organized
thickasthieves: just like how fiat arguments against bitcoin taste hypocrtical on examination
mircea_popescu: mthreat actually organised crime isn't usually very well documented.
mircea_popescu: chetty: desperate for news? << no, desperate for "alternatives". and they'd better fucking find some, because I will fuck up with their careers.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] [PAID] 5.84550366 BTC to 29`438 shares, 19857 satoshi per share
assbot: Breaking: Dell Now Accepts Bitcoin - Coin Fire
thickasthieves: this coinfire guy is getting teh scoppz
mircea_popescu: ask him over ?
mircea_popescu: mebbe webirc link too ?
thickasthieves: it sounds official cuz i said official
mircea_popescu: you know how to work the ropes!
thickasthieves: k i left link in his blog
thickasthieves: love how all the dying internet boom businesses are embracing bitcoin
thickasthieves: who the fuck buys dell
mircea_popescu: actually i dont think i ever bought a diff rackable server.
thickasthieves: ah so that's their niche?
mircea_popescu: pretty much yes
pankkake: google is very fast to update websites, it will also come back fast
pankkake: quick*
pankkake: I really can't write lately
mthreat: not sure i'd call it a niche
Vexual: ptoly tagged experimental
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 310 @ 0.00272 = 0.8432 BTC [-] {2}
pankkake: wow, maybe I'll buy a Dell U3011 after all :)
pankkake: unless it's US only
Vexual: dropbox
Vexual: yjeure cheaap
Vexual: *theey're cheap
assbot: MovetoAustin
pankkake: #13 pic of only girls. eheh
BigBitz: Austin or NYC. That's not a hard toss up.
thickasthieves: dell also offering alienware discounts for btc
asciilifeform waits for shortwave-mpex
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sadly it seems mpex is one of those things still requiring a fortress.
thickasthieves: lol the WSJ writer wrote back to me "thanks for your thoughts"
thickasthieves: that's irt
asciilifeform: let's fortress with antennae?
thickasthieves: lowercase n all
fluffypony: thickasthieves: it's because you changed your nick to all lower-case
fluffypony: poetic justice.
pankkake: mpex need a trade fortress?
thickasthieves: you are what you eat
fluffypony: hah hah
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 188 @ 0.00272998 = 0.5132 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves he's being pro.
thickasthieves: Coinfire accepted invite
thickasthieves: "I'm in."
fluffypony: !up CoinFire
thickasthieves: g'day Coinfire
CoinFire: Thanks fluffypony Was working on the WoT stuff but likely going to have to finish it a bit later ;)
CoinFire: Howdy thickasthieves
thickasthieves: you seem to be on top of things, been reading since the SR auction
CoinFire: Fighting with my MBP at the moment which is refusing to charge LOL.
pankkake: replace the battery! oh, wait :p
CoinFire: Thanks! Certainly trying to be on top of everything at all times, lots of Google alerts, etc etc
CoinFire: LOL Exactly pankkake - Thankfully it is under warranty for a little while longer.
thickasthieves: i liked the coinjelly stuff, i noticed they wanted to talk privately, did anything come of that?
thickasthieves: (i still think your blog needs a new body font btw)
CoinFire: They've sent me some stuff and I've been waiting further confirmation from the insurance company. We will see how it plays out and if I learn more I will most certainly be updating things and posting a new entry for everyone :)
CoinFire: I'll agree thickasthieves on the font statement. I am likely going to try and get that changed this week. Another thing on the list of things lol. I find it hard to read on my iPad so it has to change :)
CoinFire: Any fonts you would rather see?
fluffypony: Comic Sans
thickasthieves: yeah it's just too thin, well for google fonts, i recall Cabin being a good one
CoinFire: LOL fluffypony the doge community would enjoy that.
thickasthieves: eh maybe not
thickasthieves: Cabin maybe a lil better for print
fluffypony: Papyrus, then?
pankkake: "Raleway"? I don't have it, so that's why the website looks nice to me
thickasthieves: kina warbly on screen
thickasthieves: raleway is one of those graphic designer trendy fonts from a couple years ago
CoinFire: Do people still even use Papyrus? That was something I asked myself recently then I saw a hair salon had it as a giant window sticker and was just like UGH
fluffypony: hah hah
fluffypony: the only font worse than Comic Sans and Papyrus is...Curlz
CoinFire: Then literally two days later, a church. I just head to shake my head.
fluffypony: that font needs to be stabbed in the face
CoinFire agrees
mircea_popescu: hey there CoinFire
pankkake: actually I'm wrong, I have it through google fonts I guess. and yeah, disabling it it's much better, it's too thin
chetty: whatever happened to just over ride the site css with your own font?
pankkake: I'm a fan of just using the default browser font (just use "sans-serif"). assuming most platforms have one that is not ugly.
thickasthieves: Papyrus is Comic Sans for Yoga and Health places
fluffypony: chetty: Google Web Fonts, I'm a big fan
CoinFire: Howdy mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: people saying you're like on top of the scoops.
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
CoinFire: LOL That is awesome. Certainly trying to be all over them. Granted that involves virtually no sleeping ever.
fluffypony: you should hire a leggy blonde assistant
thickasthieves: CoinFire we have a blog feed at http://blogs.bitcoin-assets.com/ if you wanna learn more about us, more resources are at bitcoin-assets.com, including logs, bash, wiki
assbot: Assets Assimilated
CoinFire: Checking it out thickasthieves!
CoinFire: I totally should fluffypony ;)
thickasthieves: it's a lot to read, but we generally take pride in not being reddites and slaying derpitude
CoinFire: I'll take it!!
CoinFire: I will be sure to get my keys and everything worked out this week as well :) Been working on a lot of stuff. It seems it never ends.
chetty: if it ends we will all be bored
thickasthieves: cool cool
CoinFire: HAHAHAHA So true chetty. So very true.
kakobrekla: at some point ill +m the chan so we can all take a break.
fluffypony: it is +m already...?
kakobrekla: sahtup you are ruining the joke.
mircea_popescu: no vitramins in your cereal huh
mircea_popescu: !up just_mike
mircea_popescu: o look, mike_c bought the just dice brand and merged.
kakobrekla: provably fail microphone?
mircea_popescu: /nick just_in_bieber
kakobrekla: justin_time and justin_case
mircea_popescu: sir Case the Just
thickasthieves: cumin_side
kakobrekla: i guess if i make my surname justin, then i can have case and time for kids.
mircea_popescu: indian cooking pronz. "oya baby, put it on the cumin side."
asciilifeform: 'just_mice' << hypothetical future electric rodent shop
thickasthieves: just_ice
mircea_popescu: s/pronz/prawns
kakobrekla: and we are back to reddit lvl.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: you can't do that unless you're also begging for a flight
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla no we're not. reddit doesn't do wordplay.
mircea_popescu: it does wordcancer.
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
thickasthieves: i wonder if any of our fake name businesses became real ones since
asciilifeform: '“Just name a disease,” he says, “and we have a cure ready for it.” ... The pills for AIDS look just like the pills for cancer look just like the pills for diabetes. I ask, So these things really aren’t invented? ... “Of course they’re real,” he says and plucks the first two bottles out of my hands. “They’re copyrighted. We have an inventory of almost fifteen thousand copyrighted names for pr
asciilifeform: oducts that are still in development,” he says. “And that includes you.” ... “We’re a total concept marketing slash public relations organization,” he says. “Our job is to create the concept. You patent a drug. You copyright the name. As soon as someone else develops the product they come to us, sometimes by choice, sometimes not.”'
thickasthieves: cointroduction really is a good for a dating site
asciilifeform: 'I ask him, Why sometimes not? “The way this works is we copyright every conceivable combination of words, Greek words, Latin, English, what-have-you. We get the legal rights to every conceivable word a pharmaceutical company might use to name a new product. For diabetes alone, we have an inventory of one hundred forty names,” he says. He hands me stapled-together pages from out of his briefcase in his lap.
asciilifeform: GlucoCure, I read. InsulinEase. PancreAid. Hemazine. Glucodan. Growdenase.'
assbot: - Survivor - Chuck Palahniuk. Read, download books - alternative book.
thickasthieves: ive read a few of Chuck's
thickasthieves: i liked Haunted most i think
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves no wai. cointroduction ?!
mircea_popescu: do they offer on-site cointraception ?
thickasthieves: well i didnt know it was actually a word
thickasthieves: and the word works
thickasthieves: ;;ud cointroduction
gribble: Google found nothing.
mircea_popescu: it's horrible srsly.
thickasthieves: "simultaneous introduction of two or more agents or species"
mircea_popescu: about on par with toyota naming their prius replacement Toyota Pizda.
mthreat: cuntroduction
thickasthieves: !up Coinfire
mircea_popescu: mthreat cunt reduction ?
mthreat: it's a thing!
mircea_popescu: site sells alum powder
mircea_popescu: for you know... down there.
asciilifeform: now the interesting part. as i recall, the company in palahniuk's comedy actually exists...
CoinFire: Thanks ;)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform kinda poorly researched tho you know ? the 5mn domain names that were finally abandoned recently were a failed exercise in exactly this
mircea_popescu: 140 won't cut it. they need like 8bn names for diabethes.
mircea_popescu: "The sporting press is awash in liberal themes these days: the "underrepresentation" of African-American head coaches in professional football (nobody seems to object to the astounding overrepresentation of African-American players); the terrible injustice of private golf clubs refusing to accept women as members (funny, it's not a problem if Lady Victory Fitness Centers exclude men); and of course the whole business o
mircea_popescu: f women's sports, the greatest affirmative action program in existence (a woman can win a gold medal at the Olympics despite a performance that might not even qualify her for the men's event---but despite her inferior performance she wins the same medal as the men's winner)."
asciilifeform: if i remember, these folks don't go the pure squatter route, but actually make contact with megacorps and their lead marketing monkeys
mircea_popescu: what is this guy, nuts ? who and why would want to see mixed gender sprint.
thickasthieves: itd be cool if it were competitive
mircea_popescu: there are very few fields where women / men competition doesn't look like a squirrel trying to fight a raccoon.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: mocsny wasn't pushing for mixed footraces, so much as torturing some bozo who was obsessed with the 'injustice of exclusion'
mircea_popescu: those usually look like a raccoon trying to fight a truck.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, he did have some issues this guy. http://pastebin.com/X7WtwLXV
assbot: Women from all races want to bang rich, successful guys. I find it merely curiou - Pastebin.com
mircea_popescu: consider, "sex robots so poor guys can have the same shit as rich guys" ?!
mircea_popescu: wtf is this, derplandia ?
chetty: munchcins vs the harlem globe trotters basketball anyone?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as i understand, he was discussing why the robots are inevitable from a market standpoint (there are quite a few paupers, and they all want wheels. so we get trambourghini.)
CoinFire: BBL Going to work on a few different things, I'll try and drop in often :)
CoinFire: Thanks for the invite! :)
thickasthieves: thanks for coming by
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't see that as an argument at all. just... you know, drool.
asciilifeform: drool, unfortunately, is the correct explanation for a number of things.
mircea_popescu: if sex robots were widely available today, i'd prolly still not use them. (for that matter, indiancandy is a sex robot, not terribly expensive - a good server costs more than what she would)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you're not in the market for a trambourghini, either, as i understand.
mircea_popescu: for very similar reasons.
mircea_popescu: in short, it's not just the poor man's idea of what being rich is like that's wrong.
mircea_popescu: his idea of how to get there is similarly borkted.
asciilifeform: and yet trambos happen.
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mircea_popescu: "By the first time I had "sex" (depending on how you define it, since I took things in stages) I had already endured years of frustration and humiliation of an intensity that I don't think I can properly put into words." a ok.
asciilifeform: the poor man's idea of 'rich', combined with industry, is how we get trambo.
assbot: Bitcoin Potential Upend Legacy Payments System - Business Insider
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chetty: <mircea_popescu> in short, it's not just the poor man's idea of what being rich is like that's wrong.//a lot of rich dont seem to have much of a clue either
mircea_popescu: chetty kinda what makes it so difficult.
mircea_popescu: "I don't think an average man can pursue women effectively if he is primarily thinking about how good sex will feel when he gets it. That just isn't the right mindset when a man has to chat up dozens of women before he finds one with whom sex is a reasonable possibility." holy shit, with what woman is sex not a reasonable possibility ?!
mircea_popescu: ok enough of this guy, dear lord.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 200 @ 0.00273996 = 0.548 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'a chicken also wants to live'
mircea_popescu: this ain't living.
thickasthieves: "when a man has to chat up dozens of women"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 300 @ 0.00273997 = 0.822 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: there's nothing more pernicious to the mind than its ability to construct self coherent if spectacularly wrong representations.
asciilifeform: let them eat cake?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i tell ye, if i perceived i HAD TO chat up women i'd be a fucking homicidal maniac, notwithstanding amazing success rates. even if i never left my own harem and so my success rate was forever 100%.
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
mircea_popescu: why not just relax and enjoy the fact that you CAN chat up women.
mircea_popescu: or for that matter, trees.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it's almost like you read a guide to survival in the arctic, and said 'wtf is this nonsense, just take compass and march south'
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 342 @ 0.00273998 = 0.9371 BTC [+] {3}
asciilifeform: the notion that every male of the species can turn into mircea_popescu by effort of will is, at the very least, misguided. i catch quite a bit of crap for insisting that virtually everyone can, e.g., learn mathematics - so i sympathize. but it's still mistake.
chetty: asciilifeform, +1
assbot: Dell now accepts bitcoin | Dell
thickasthieves: "What is Coinbase? Coinbase is the world's largest platform for buying and selling bitcoins for US dollars at the current market rate."
thickasthieves: it's like the only biz that fits that description, no?
los_pantalones: what is the current market rate?
thickasthieves: whatever they it is
los_pantalones: so there are many
los_pantalones: that match that description
thickasthieves: platforms?
thickasthieves: i thought the rest were real exchanges
asciilifeform: 'Do you also lecture people with Down's Syndrome on how they could learn to write 10,000 line Perl scripts if they just take it one step at a time? For some things there seems to be some minimum takeoff velocity.'
thickasthieves: how is coinbase claiming they are largest then?
los_pantalones: thickasthieves we have a private one to our customers
los_pantalones: i suspect we are far from alone
los_pantalones: that is just their claim
los_pantalones: you are also thinking of the word "platform" too narrowly
los_pantalones: #bitcoin-otc would count
los_pantalones: lots of transactions take place OTC on skype
los_pantalones: these count
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mike_c: anybody can write a 10,000 line perl script. it's making it a 100 line script that's hard.
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asciilifeform: mike_c: i vaguely recall some joker who wrote a complete 386 pc emulator in about 1k of perl. that's the kind of thing being spoken of, i think.
asciilifeform: chetty: RIP 'common carrier doctrine'
asciilifeform: it was a nice 100 years.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i think there's a space between arguing that nobody should bang head against wall and arguing everyone should be god.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: unless i misunderstand, you're trying to say to a fellow in padded cell, 'stop banging head.' generally good advice - except that sex drive doesn't ship with an 'off' switch.
mircea_popescu: los_pantalones there's this derpitude tradition where noobs claim firstbiggest first to be one day biggest.
mircea_popescu: it's roughly the equivalent of "callin it"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it also doesn't ship with any particular rule as to how it is to be employed or manifested.
mircea_popescu: which is really where the problem starts. overactive sex drive makes kids misrepresent the facts of the matter : it's true that women make for convenient release, but it's not true that's what women ARE.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 209 @ 0.00275172 = 0.5751 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: as the weirdo ages and frustration builds, this distinction becomes less readily accessible. nevertheless...
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: women also aren't food - but the proverbial airplane crash castaway might beg to differ.
mircea_popescu: i know a few women i'm kinda tempted to eat with some regularity.
mircea_popescu: no actual cannibalism so far tho
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 957 @ 0.00280116 = 2.6807 BTC [+] {5}
mircea_popescu: but yes, i daresay that i'd still chat up women in the andes. wtf do i care about survival anyway.
mircea_popescu: a life unpleasant is not worth surviving.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1465 @ 0.00281744 = 4.1275 BTC [+] {4}
asciilifeform: chetty: if fedex could leave usa to the mice and roaches, now would probably be the time. but don't hold your breath waiting for this.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 229 @ 0.00282971 = 0.648 BTC [+] {6}
chetty: asciilifeform, there is something in the usa other than mice and roaches?
asciilifeform pops an antenna, chitters inquisitively
assbot: Russia makes $32 billion dollars of Cubas outstanding debt disappear
assbot: Bitcoin Remittances are In Effect Now | Banks Worst Fear
thickasthieves: i should do $500/seat L2Bitcoin seminars for the local mexicans and guatemalans
thickasthieves: (re chetty's link)
danielpbarron: "If you would like to purchase XCP for Bitcoins, we advise that you use a centralized exchange for the time being. We are in the process of developing features that will make the purchase of XCP on Counterwallet very simple, and expect these to be working soon. Thanks for your patience." via http://counterwallet.co/ #AmazingCompany
assbot: Counterwallet
bitcoinpete: ;;nethash
gribble: 139988399.294
assbot: Human random number generation | Ludology | BoardGameGeek
bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: hey everyone that is awake : please put in a list of five words that you'd estimate are the key terms for [your interest of] b-a << history, finance, philosophy, digital security, bitcoin
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves not entirely a bad idea.
fluffypony: five words: general management, cryptography, finance, cryptocurrencies, risk management
fluffypony: two of those are phrases, meh
asciilifeform: mathematics, systemantics, chumpatronics, polemology, psychoceramics.
mthreat: teledildonics
kakobrekla: i just like the pics.
kakobrekla: 5 words.
mthreat: how about a haiku for #b-a
assbot: Time for digital currencies to grow upbitcoinommentary
princessnell: "As the creator of a digital currency, I..."
asciilifeform: mthreat: haiku << 'If only we might fall / Like cherry blossoms in the spring / So pure and radiant !'
asciilifeform associates haiku solely with kamikaze send-off ceremony
fluffypony: oh no princessnell
fluffypony: that guy
fluffypony: is such an utter fucktard
fluffypony: with his NautilusCoin bullshit
asciilifeform: 'Since my body is a shell / I am going to take it off / and put on a glory that will never wear out.' (one mr. kenzo ishijima)
asciilifeform invites anyone who knows some other kind of haiku to substitute that.
fluffypony: and don't get me started on Dirac
assbot: How NautilusCoin could change the digital currency marketforever
fluffypony: that's David Seaman doing the pump
fluffypony: then the market is like "lol wtf is this shit"
assbot: NautilusCoin and Dirac, misunderstood Medium
fluffypony: this is my favourite quote:
fluffypony: "I think money is exactly the same. I don’t think consumers will care much for the community their coin has; they will care about the algorithm. Or, more accurately, they will care about how the coin performs (mining cost, speed, security) because of that algorithm."
bitcoinpete: fluffypony: or "I’m not “hyping” these coins. These are advancements in cryptocurrency that not many people have noticed yet."
fluffypony: heh heh
thickasthieves: <+princessnell> "As the creator of a digital currency, I..." /// wtf is this, major media shilling alts day?
fluffypony: thickasthieves: Brian Kelly is a fucktard
fluffypony: he's a CNBC "contributor" (read: blogger)
fluffypony: and he "created" NautilusCoin (read: someone else did the work)
thickasthieves: <+fluffypony> "I think money is exactly ... lulz abound
fluffypony: and it has a fat premine for a "stabilisation fund"
princessnell: o endogeneity. hookers/porn/sexbots lower cost for men of lacking power. good for high power males, high time preference women. negative externality for most others. increases pressure for neotenized males, masculinized females.
thickasthieves: princessnell system dump, reboot
princessnell: thickasthieves and so it goes
assbot: SecondMarket Hosts Bitcoin Talk for Professional Women's Network
pankkake: a fiat currency will disappear in 27 years on average. So, if you live outside the US […] the currency you use in your daily life will likely go away in 27 years
pankkake: lol, statistics
mike_c: median, mean, whatever.
thickasthieves: ;;estimate
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 18802851546.1 based on data since last change | 19651756602.8 based on data for last three days
asciilifeform: pankkake: 'the average number of cocks is one half'
princessnell: thickasthieves v heavy on the propagandaspeak
mircea_popescu: princessnell: As the creator of a digital currency, I..." << derp's never ending quest for relevancy.
mircea_popescu: one'd hope teh us propaganda drive to support their braindamage will collect better heads than the twinkletoss twins and nautilus coin guy.
mircea_popescu: i get more for .1 a tit for crying out loud. wasn't the usg supposed to be like rich and powerful and whatnot ?
mircea_popescu: "But what made Google successful as the world’s preferred search engine was not great “community” or shibe memes or aggressive marketing on Twitter." << orly.
mircea_popescu: "as a creator of a google, I know what made google successful!"
princessnell: the pipers only have to be as good as the mice they're leading
mircea_popescu: princessnell: o endogeneity. hookers/porn/sexbots lower cost for men of lacking power. good for high power males, high time preference women. negative externality for most others. increases pressure for neotenized males, masculinized females. <<< precisely.
mircea_popescu: you sound like you went to school for this or something.
princessnell: nah, i just read a lot
mircea_popescu: and no re the pipers.
princessnell: well, i'm going to school for econ, which has applicable tools
mircea_popescu: in general you can evaluate who's going to win a battle just by looking at piperquality.
mircea_popescu: they who have the rubens and van dykes win.
princessnell: i think that's right
mircea_popescu: black victory was predictable just looking at greenwich village cca 1960.
mircea_popescu: nautilus coin guy needs to learn to play an instrument.
princessnell: ya well, in the us instruments are relative, maaan
princessnell: too many people have been getting by on bs for so long that few know anything else
princessnell: they can't identify a maestro for a mendicant https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UM21gPmkDpI
assbot: Joshua Bell playing violin in DC Metro Station. Please Stop and Hear the Music!!! - YouTube
mircea_popescu: amusingly, that's on trilema.
mircea_popescu: ;;google site:trilema.com joshua bell
gribble: No matches found.
assbot: In re “Philosophy : Freedom of scientific information” pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
princessnell: that's a good one
mircea_popescu: !s portugal
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
mircea_popescu: ;;ident mike_c
gribble: Nick 'mike_c', with hostmask 'mike_c!~mike_c@unaffiliated/mike-c/x-9105598', is identified as user 'mike_c', with GPG key id 4FBC58464F910E21, key fingerprint 9086CA4627840552468FE3D44FBC58464F910E21, and bitcoin address None
assbot: Intellectual and Practical Foolishness: The Precautionary Principle « Roy Spencer, PhD
assbot: Risks of RISKS (John McCarthy)
chetty: Date: 07 Sep 85, now thats cool asciilifeform tyvm
asciilifeform: chetty: 'yarchive' is a gold mine.
asciilifeform: (before anyone asks - no, i have not the faintest idea whether norman yarvin is a relative of curtis)
assbot: Iranian Airbus shootdown (Henry Spencer)
assbot: Vincennes shootdown (Rob Horn)
assbot: Tesla Model S Hacking Prize Claimed - Slashdot
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: still pales in comparison to the mp3 CAN bus hack: http://www.itworld.com/security/139794/with-hacking-music-can-take-control-your-car
assbot: With hacking, music can take control of your car | ITworld
BingoBoingo: Ah yeah, Why the connected car shouldn't be
BingoBoingo: !up RagnarDanneskjol
assbot: ought to be SOP, but is it? - Pastebin.com
fluffypony: ;;seen naphex
gribble: naphex was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 5 days, 4 hours, 8 minutes, and 6 seconds ago: <Naphex> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2ttq9oOvks
assbot: Global Poll 2014-07-16 - Bloomberg
Pierre_Rochard: 55% of the ‘financial elite’ believe Bitcoin is “Already a bubble”
Pierre_Rochard: 19% hold that view for U.S. Treasuries
asciilifeform: http://yarchive.net/comp/linux/dev_random.html#update_5 << linus on rng, for anyone who hasn't already read.
assbot: /dev/random (H. Peter Anvin; Theodore Y. Ts'o)
thickasthieves: believed
thickasthieves: the poll is from January
benkay: salud de canada
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 395 @ 0.0027094 = 1.0702 BTC [-] {20}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 667 @ 0.00266083 = 1.7748 BTC [-] {8}
benkay: so what'd i miss last two days?
mike_c: china declared bitcoin illegal
mircea_popescu: Pierre_Rochard i wouldn't hold anything bloomberg says against the "financial elite".
mircea_popescu: anymore than i'd hold anything jezebel publishes against "hot college sluts"
Pierre_Rochard: Agreed, I suspect the people who respond to bloomberg surveys are a few layers below “financial elite”
mircea_popescu: !up kanzure
dub: !ticker h am
assbot: It's so strange that you don't remember any of your poetry.
dub: !ticker h am1
assbot: [HAVELOCK:AM1] 1D: 0.16000000 / 0.17427496 / 0.17810011 (67 shares, 11.67642261 BTC), 7D: 0.16000000 / 0.18260023 / 0.20000000 (421 shares, 76.87469724 BTC), 30D: 0.16000000 / 0.19476211 / 0.23100000 (2179 shares, 424.38663775 BTC)
benkay: !t h rent
assbot: [HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: / 0 / (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00368000 / 0.00442061 / 0.00540000 (3154 shares, 13.94260472 BTC), 30D: 0.00200000 / 0.00400794 / 0.00540000 (9159 shares, 36.70867789 BTC)
benkay: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 629.46, Best ask: 630.94, Bid-ask spread: 1.48000, Last trade: 631.61, 24 hour volume: 5421.77762335, 24 hour low: 618.46, 24 hour high: 632.96, 24 hour vwap: 625.997690338
decimation: asciilifeform: re: linux on /dev/random "To me it sounds from your description that you may well be on the edge of "too anal". Real life _has_ to be taken into account, and not accepting entropy because of theoretical issues is _not_ a good idea"
decimation: "we have to accept that we can't give real entropy to those that need it, so shut up and get on the bus
kakobrekla: you mean the wagen.
decimation: no, the wagen is for those who refuse the bus :)
decimation: At the end of "the first circle", the prisoners are being removed from Mavrino in a vehicle disguised as a meat truck:
decimation: "Buffeting its load of tightly packed bodies, the gaily painted orange and blue truck drove on through the streets, passed a railway station and stopped at a crossroads. There, halted by a traffic-light, stood the dark-red car belonging to the Moscow correspondent of the Paris newspaper LIBERATION, on his way to a hockey match at the Dynamo Stadium. On the side of the van the correspondent read the words: MYACO. VIANDE. FLEISCH. MEAT.
decimation: He remembered having seen several trucks like this today in various parts of Moscow. Taking out his notebook he wrote with his dark-red fountain pen: 'Now and again on the streets of Moscow you meet food delivery vans, clean, well-designed and hygienic. One must admit that the city's food supplies are admirably well organized.'"
decimation: That's what Solzhenitsyn thought about the West back then
decimation: "useful idiots"
kakobrekla thinks the bus leads to railway station.
thickasthieves: "The Chamber of Digital Commerce announced itself on Saturday at the North American Bitcoin Conference in Chicago. The group is registered as a 501(c)(6) nonprofit, which allows it to act as a lobbyist, and is being led by Perianne Boring, a former journalist and Congressional staffer. It has early backing from RRE Ventures and Tally Capital, which are leading a seed-round of fund
thickasthieves: raising."
thickasthieves: is it really called a "seed-round" if it's a non-profit?
thickasthieves: and is seed-round really in need of a hyphen?
mircea_popescu: lol chamber of digital commerce.
mircea_popescu: what is this thing with youths where they want to pretend like they're doing shit.
Pierre_Rochard: mircea_popescu: apprenticeship system broke down due to minimum wage at the low end, and college at the “high end”
Pierre_Rochard: so now we pretend to do shit and hope it sticks.
mircea_popescu: very expensive process.
mircea_popescu: she's a pretty girl, she's ambitious, she's for some reason chosen to fuck herself over the mocsny way.
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
mircea_popescu: just replace "sex" with "business success"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: mocsny had other interesting quirks. he was, for instance, ideologically opposed to driving car (pollution!)
Pierre_Rochard: Yes, well it doesn’t seem to be business success that she’s after. Naturally, she’s interested in social validation from her in-group of fellow bitcoiners
thickasthieves: !s perianne
thickasthieves: http://www.forbes.com/sites/perianneboring/ she looks like an actress for a cheesy cop show
assbot: Perianne Boring - Boring Economics - Forbes
Pierre_Rochard: WHCD stands for White House Correspondents Dinner, where journalists go to pretend like they’re doing shit
thickasthieves: first comment is good
mircea_popescu: Pierre_Rochard that's business success.
mircea_popescu: if you're validated for your peers for what you do, that's business success.
mircea_popescu: and whcd is just a little pork, take all these famished kids and serve them a proper meal once a year is the idea.
mircea_popescu: course from what i hear they've been skimping on the catering.
mircea_popescu: !s bitcoingirl
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves ^
Pierre_Rochard: mircea_popescu I think that widens the definition of “business” a bit much. being the accountant that I am, I always look at that net income line. perhaps to my detriment
thickasthieves: <+mircea_popescu> course from what i hear they've been skimping on the catering. // what, dollars grow on trees?
mircea_popescu: Pierre_Rochard but business is doing things, no other definition really works.
mircea_popescu: you can also know things, and you can also fuck really well. that just about covers human experience.
thickasthieves: dont forget hugs and cat love
Pierre_Rochard: I wouldn’t describe the wealthy heiress who is very busy organizing charity galas to be a “business success” - however much she’s “doing things”. Her business is structurally running a loss
thickasthieves: you are stretching
thickasthieves: charity galas cant be success now?
thickasthieves: they are a loss?
thickasthieves: what if they raise the money?
Pierre_Rochard: they consume capital, I’ve always thought of “business success” as creating capital
Pierre_Rochard: the more money they raise, the more capital they consume
Pierre_Rochard: semantics
thickasthieves: well they are called nonprofits for a reason
mircea_popescu: Pierre_Rochard running a loss of what ?
mircea_popescu: all economy is pouring fluid from one vessel to the next.
mircea_popescu: if she's spending her own money to buy something, who are you to know better ? as long as she can keep doing it she's a businessman just like you.
Pierre_Rochard: a loss of capital. I disagree, capital does accumulate
mircea_popescu: or in romanian, "cistigi, pagubesti, negustor te numesti"
thickasthieves: mp i agree strongly with this sentiment
mircea_popescu: so if i spend capital to buy advertising im a bad businessman ?
mircea_popescu: what's this, mercantilism 2.0 ?
thickasthieves: a system persisting is success
thickasthieves: that's all
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves obv.
Pierre_Rochard: we are disagreeing on semantics then, because to me spending:investing::consumption:business
mircea_popescu: maybe we're disagreeing on the point where you cut the space of externalities ideologically and pretend like it ain't so.
mircea_popescu: the mining mogul uses up coal to make money.
mircea_popescu: the socialite uses up money to make whatever the fuck you'd call it.
Pierre_Rochard: no, because you are buying an intangible “capital” good called goodwill / brand awareness / customer education. This capital depreciates over time
mircea_popescu: everything depreciates over time.
mircea_popescu: the only measure of success is, "is this species still extant or meanwhile extinguished"
mircea_popescu: that's how nature does it.
Pierre_Rochard: well yes, the socialite buys social capital, I would call them a successful socialite, I wouldn’t normally call them a successful businessperson. they would find it offensive to compare their activities to commercial ones
mircea_popescu: what a socialite finds offensive is entirely her problem
mircea_popescu: she'll still take it in the ass.
thickasthieves: wife met with a state senator today asking her to be on the board of a nonprofit that gives public school teachers funds for stuff the school won't pay for
thickasthieves: that outta twist things nicely for ya
thickasthieves: charity to the failings of the gov
Pierre_Rochard: fair enough, so the conclusion is that boring is a successful businessperson?
mircea_popescu: the us is too meta.
mircea_popescu: Pierre_Rochard no. she positions herself as she were, she pretends to be.
mircea_popescu: otherwise, she's a ridiculous teenager, putting online a forum about "how to score chix"
mircea_popescu: while acnee, basement, virgin.
asciilifeform: Pierre_Rochard: start an org that will give funds to pay for stuff the nonprofit won't pay for. do this until stack overflows.
mircea_popescu: but "who's gonna know" right ?
thickasthieves: ascii they are called trusts right?
asciilifeform: 'trust,' afaik, is somewhat generic
thickasthieves: i think it's where the wife wants to end up, deciding which nonprofits get pools of money
asciilifeform: thickasthieves << 'shift' key wore out?
thickasthieves: just spicing things up
Pierre_Rochard: at what point would you say she is a thing? If she is able to do enough work to raise money for her new organization, is that not a successful business?
asciilifeform: unrelated - is kakobrekla awake? i wish to buy his gadget.
thickasthieves: kako sells gadgets?
asciilifeform: thickasthieves: one in particular
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
thickasthieves: ah i see
mircea_popescu: Pierre_Rochard the objection here isn't on the lines of business. she looks like she could raise a million dollars on the vegas strip np
mircea_popescu: the objection here is that she's working hard, not smart.
mircea_popescu: which is why the link to the mocsny guy.
mircea_popescu: let me tell you a story, it'll perfectly well illustrate what i mean.
Pierre_Rochard: Ok, I’m all ears
mircea_popescu: so, when i went to hs, they made this special "suprareal" class. (in romanian, "real" means you do math, otherwise it's a chick hs doing languages, or a prole hs doing "skills"). they made the entrance so fucking hard tho that only about 18 kids out of the entire region made it. the remainder "fell through" to 3 normal "real" classes at this elite hs.
mircea_popescu: then the ministry decided it won't ok a 18 student class. so they took a dozen the kids that had fallen through 3 normal classes, and had not found an alternative hs in the dozen or so top highschools around. and put them in.
mircea_popescu: now among this dozen, there was a mentally retarded girl. she wasn't badly touched, maybe 80 or so. definitely enough to take care of herself. definitely not enough for high level math. her parents however were i dun recall what academic country gentry, and so they insisted she go.
mircea_popescu: she came. for four years, that poor unfortunate soul sat there, dreading the moment anyone asked anything. because she knew she couldn't cope. just smart enough to smart.
asciilifeform: lol i remember this story
mircea_popescu: nobody flunked her, because you don't flunk well behaved girls. and so... she made it through. parents beamingly proud.
mircea_popescu: all the kids that were any good left, generally the country. just about now, an elderly lady with a full professorship was looking for an assistant.
mircea_popescu: if possible, a polite and introverted girl.
mircea_popescu: so, this poor unfortunate soul found herself living her parent's dream : an assistant professor! at the prestigious ubb no less!
mircea_popescu: there for all eternity, to confront generations of bright teenagers that'll take about five minutes to figure out she's a furniture, and maybe not torture her for it. maybe.
mircea_popescu: now... is she a thing ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if i didn't know any better, i'd imagine we went to uni together. we had 'the same' chick! she bedeviled our number theory prof with at least a hundred very boneheaded questions every lecture. he seethed, boiled, but couldn't throw her out. why? 'registered special needs.' (going for math degree!) she even got unlimited time on exams.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they could have thrown her out, np. just...
Pierre_Rochard: Ah, I see what you mean now
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i spoke to other people from that time, and they remember her. from other lectures.
mircea_popescu: so, yeah. she can be a thing if she wants. she doesn't, even if she may be too stupid to realise this.
assbot: File:Challenge vs skill.svg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
asciilifeform: 'but dr. x!! i just don't -get- euler's totient! pleeeease explain it again!'
Pierre_Rochard: would it be fair to say “pretending” = taking on a challenge that you don’t have the skills for, and “a thing” = taking on a challenge you have the skills for?
mircea_popescu: i think so.
mircea_popescu: skills broadly speaking.
Pierre_Rochard: Right. Hmm. Going to sleep on this one now. I like the heuristic. I’ll be doing log reading this weekend with that in mind
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not sure how similar to your girl, but all i could think of in that lecture was 'why no one humanely shoots this broken horse?'
mircea_popescu: why put her in the spot is more the q
asciilifeform: and$t0, $t0, 0xffbfffff
asciilifeform: lol wrong window
decimation: there's also the dunning-kruger effect, the unskilled strongly tend to think that they are skilled
mircea_popescu: decimation now imagine what happens to a society that takes all the natural victims of this phenomenon, kids aged 15-20, and a) preaches to the girls they should be more like the boys, ie, stupid in this particular manner and b)
asciilifeform: decimation: only goes so far. i really can't imagine this particular specimen thought it was skilled.
mircea_popescu: spends all the time it should spend training them so they stop sucking training them to believe they are just fine and this is what one does and should do.
decimation: yeah the problem is more the marginal boy that mircea points out
decimation: at my university I found these types "lecturing" freshman psychology, hoping to "earn" a phd in social science
decimation: I admire the german system for this reason; take a test around middle school to really determine if you are capable of the university path
decimation: if not, learn a trade
decimation: this functions as a natural safety value which relieves people from pretending they are something that they are not
asciilifeform: decimation: except when it doesn't. consider japanese 'cram schools'
asciilifeform: decimation: the marginal kids get herded by their family into a kind of boot camp where they get trained, like animals, to jump through the burning ring
decimation: it's true that no filter is going to be perfect
decimation: but it's better than shoving every kid into college
asciilifeform: even ancient china, apparently, had 'cram schools.' (see miyazaki, 'china's examination hell' - neat little monograph on the subject)
decimation: interesting, thanks for the tip
decimation: here's a question: why will bitcoin succeed when gold was beaten so badly by fiat?
decimation: one answer I came up with: banning bitcoin is banning information transfer, which seems to be beyond the power of the state
decimation: whereas banning physical gold transaction is possible, at least within the "officially recognized" banking and exchange entities
mircea_popescu: <decimation> here's a question: why will bitcoin succeed when gold was beaten so badly by fiat? << well, why has gold been "Beaten so badly by fiat" ?
mircea_popescu: <decimation> this functions as a natural safety value which relieves people from pretending they are something that they are not << whole fucking contemporary us is built upon people pretending they are everyithing they're not.
mircea_popescu: it starts with the us itself pretending to be part of the western world, while leading africa in rapes, teenage pregnancy, incarceration, functional illiteracy and the like
mircea_popescu: religious obscurantism, you name it, they got it.
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