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thickasthieves: you create one country and you think you can do anything for a few hundred years
nubbins`: the british only created one country? ;D
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nubbins`: ^ just finished
mircea_popescu: !up agamemnon23
nubbins`: i'd wondered what happened to goat, seems he's banned from the forums
mircea_popescu: didn';t he make a sikrit forum where he derps with tortilla and some glbse bagholders ?
nubbins`: ;;google cryptocrypt
gribble: CryptoCrypt - Index: <https://cryptocrypt.org/>; crypto-, crypt- - Word Information: <http://wordinfo.info/unit/2455>; cryptocrypt.org (cryptocryptorg) on Twitter: <https://twitter.com/cryptocryptorg>
artifexd: I don't understand this “burning bitcoin" concept. Bitcoin are destined to be one of the most valuable commodities that have ever existed. Burning them is just dumb. Plain and simple. Dumb.
TheNewDeal: probably smells good
artifexd: Also, I'm a little intoxicated. "Welcome to Ecuador" says the family, with alcohol.
mircea_popescu: artifexd people are attracted by the outrageous.
TheNewDeal: and outraged at the attactive
mircea_popescu: that too
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 40 @ 0.01500255 = 0.6001 BTC [-] {4}
Duffer1 buys smokin hot new comp
Duffer1 forgets to buy case
jurov: ;;later tell mircea_popescu ever considered dial-in access to mpex? decommissioned hardware should be cheap and it'd work internationally (9600 baud would suffice)
gribble: The operation succeeded.
jurov: since we're on irc, why not bring back bbs days of glory?
Duffer1: i'd mudd
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kakobrekla: <asciilifeform> unrelated - is kakobrekla awake? i wish to buy his gadget. < moving to eu already?
fluffypony: what gadget?
dub: the fuckingmachines.com one
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 194 @ 0.00278 = 0.5393 BTC [+]
assbot: Peeling the onion: Almost everyone involved in developing Tor was (or is) funded by the US government | PandoDaily
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: it could travel in a crate, no ?
mircea_popescu: jurov i don't get what it'd be supposed to do tho. you mean dial-up access only ? anyone can connect to a website on dial-up as it is.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 600 @ 0.00278 = 1.668 BTC [+] {2}
thickasthieves: "Dell should pre-install Bitcoin wallets in all its laptops" ~Reddit
pankkake: what could possibly go wrong
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 531 @ 0.00276999 = 1.4709 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 573 @ 0.00278983 = 1.5986 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 268 @ 0.00279717 = 0.7496 BTC [+] {10}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 628 @ 0.00282677 = 1.7752 BTC [+] {8}
punkman: mircea_popescu: anyone can connect to a website on dial-up as it is. << I think he meant having his modem dial a telephone number for mpex
thickasthieves: “The US is certainly one of the world’s leaders. At some point it seemed that it was the only leader and a uni-polar system was in place. Today it appears that is not the case. Everything in the world is interdependent and once you try to punish someone, in the end you will cut off your nose to spite your face" ~ Putin
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.79138904 BTC to 12`351 shares, 14504 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 26.54172304 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 2308 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 55 @ 0.01507294 = 0.829 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: A New Digital Currency Whose Value Is Based on Your Reputation | Enterprise | WIRED
herbijudlestoids: thought i would check in
herbijudlestoids: went to poke mpex, looks like a lot has been going on
thickasthieves: everyone's keeping busy, slow this morning though
herbijudlestoids: all healthy and happy?
thickasthieves: afaik everyone is healthy
thickasthieves: other than mpex
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 224 @ 0.00275165 = 0.6164 BTC [-] {7}
herbijudlestoids: yes, admit i was a little surprised about the downtime thing upon visiting trilema
herbijudlestoids: but i guess mircea_popescu knows whats what when it comes to building the system he designed
mircea_popescu: o look herbijudlestoids
herbijudlestoids: verify happy/healthy?
herbijudlestoids: things have been going well on my end, after the first big customer hit we have had a bit of a flood of them, and our accountant has even managed to score us significant tax breaks around R&D for the last FY
herbijudlestoids: so, as i guess my absence has indicated, have been keeping busy
herbijudlestoids: anyway, 3am here, just wanted to login and check on yall after i noticed mpex was down. lots of love.
benkay: "We are a transportation company—we are not law enforcement," Mr. Fitzgerald added. // http://online.wsj.com/articles/fedex-indicted-for-role-in-distributing-controlled-substances-prescription-drugs-1405637242
assbot: FedEx Indicted in Prescription Drug Shipping Probe - WSJ
mircea_popescu: benkay no they are criminalz.
mircea_popescu: they knew-or-should-have-known (tm) that people are sending dope through the mail and stopped offerind mail services!
mircea_popescu: no any-services (tm) may be offered by anyone because IT IS DANGEROUS
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 229 @ 0.00454957 = 1.0419 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 249 @ 0.00286 = 0.7121 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: "Black men who are employed also get the shaft by having an average life expectancy of 64 years, which means on average they don't live long enough to see any of their social security tax payments, given that the retirement age is 65 years."
mircea_popescu: fucking statistics 101. black men may have a 64 yo le, but black men WHO ARE EMPLOYED do not.
asciilifeform does not know the genuine figure, and doubts that anyone else does
benkay: mircea_popescu: it's a wild ride
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform which figure you mean ?
assbot: anonymous's paste: 88370
benkay: ^^ o.O
benkay: <thickasthieves> some kinda wtf WoTcoin http://www.wired.com/2014/07/document-coin/ // it's quite clear everyone'll eventually have their own coin.
assbot: A New Digital Currency Whose Value Is Based on Your Reputation | Enterprise | WIRED
benkay: 0, 1, inf.
fluffypony: FluffyCoin ?
benkay: probably just your gpg keyid ;)
benkay: -> magic bytes in protocol, to separate networks
benkay: no mining per se, because that's a feature of btc, you know?
benkay: pre-mine, act as your own central bank.
benkay: reputation and behavior are incredibly important because you can rewrite the blockchain basically at will, unless you do something with a merged-mine approach (but i don't know enough about mm to comment really)
kakobrekla: asciilifeform possibly, but i suspect it still a fortune to ship since im not in china or uk. two more issues, as i said, its not assembled atm and would need to be before its shipped overseas, to see whats what. this takes time.
kakobrekla: other thing is, Z axis, while I have the parts, two alu blocks would still need to be machined - if you have access to machining you are prolly better off getting alu machined locally.
kakobrekla: and get the rest of the parts from uk/china. whichever you prefer. its same stuff.
kakobrekla: >prolly better off getting alu machined locally.< i mean all the profiles.
kakobrekla: now if youd be in eu, id grab all the parts and come with them to put it together - not even selling - would lend it for free.
benkay: these canadians!
benkay: i just found a beer bottle with a threaded neck onto which a cap had been crimped to not un-thread. i did not know that this was possible!
mircea_popescu: <benkay> <thickasthieves> some kinda wtf WoTcoin http://www.wired.com/2014/07/document-coin/ // it's quite clear everyone'll eventually have their own coin. << truth. whore stopped me in the street last night, "gringo how do i get my own coin ?"
assbot: A New Digital Currency Whose Value Is Based on Your Reputation | Enterprise | WIRED
benkay: you're already known as the btc baron?
jurov: mircea_popescu: i meant for you to have actual modem onsite, to be able to reach mpex even if there's internet problem
jurov: and mpex users would be asked not to disclose the number
jurov: but not sure if there's room for this scenario if mpex's completely ddos proof now..
mircea_popescu: i'd rather make it so it works than you know, make it so it phones.
jurov: lolk
jurov: or phone poor moiety and dictate signed order to her xD
moiety: XD
mircea_popescu: 64 bytes from [x.x.x.x]: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=1.47 ms
mircea_popescu: now that's what i'm talking about.
benkay: oh so this is going to be entertaining
benkay: i discovered at the border that my passport is expired. canadian borderfolk dgaf, but i'm *really* anticipating hitting US customs now.
benkay: like so excited omg
mircea_popescu: inb4 benkay exiled to canuckistan.
mircea_popescu: becomes 2nd ovid.
Namworld: Well you can visit me while you're stuck in canuckistan.
benkay: ;;curl mpex.co
gribble: Error: "curl" is not a valid command.
benkay: gtfo
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 302 @ 0.00286538 = 0.8653 BTC [+] {2}
FabianB: ;;status
FabianB: $status
empyex: FabianB: Proxies: ".. running a final swathe of test-all-the-edge-cases .. mpex should be back this weekend. also fabian is pretty cool." MPEx-Status: Error reaching trade engine (change: $proxies <newlist>)
mircea_popescu: hopefully that'll cut donw on the join/part spam.
Namworld: I have those turned off in my client since last year. I don't see those anymore. Was quite annoying and barely helpful.
mircea_popescu: Namworld yeah but take the recent camho invasion for instance.
mircea_popescu: we'd have never known.
mircea_popescu: good practice to voice/help new people anyway.
mircea_popescu: for anyone looking to get a taste of obscure bug parade : https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=659512
assbot: Bug 659512 – no chance to enter a password during key generation in command-line mode
mircea_popescu: for a coupla hours there it looked like the whole damned charade'll have to be taken down and redone.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 300 @ 0.002865 = 0.8595 BTC [-]
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 222 Ask: 242 Last Price: 223 24h-Vol: 18k High: 223 Low: 222 VWAP: 222
atcbot: 722@279 30k@278 18k@242 | 22k@222 57k@211 183k@210
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 687182.56 Est. Next Diff: 687182.56 in 2007 blocks (#42336) Est. % Change: 0.00
BingoBoingo: ;;laser
gribble: Error: "laser" is not a valid command.
nubbins`: ;;lasers
gribble: ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*
nubbins`: plural
nubbins`: !up stormlight
nubbins`: any of you know who klaus nomi is?
assbot: Archaeologist : Ancient Group Claimed Drinking Clean Water Caused Diarrhea | Medical Satire - GomerBlog
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 207 @ 0.0028742 = 0.595 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: "As an example, the following string of numbers is anything but random:1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 However, if this is run through a MD5 or SHA whitener, the result would
mircea_popescu: *look* random, even though the source material is anything but random."
mircea_popescu: in which we find Theodore Y. Ts'o doesn't comprehend what random means.
BingoBoingo: !up Lee-
BingoBoingo: !up jMyles
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 179 @ 0.002875 = 0.5146 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 179 @ 0.00288 = 0.5155 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: !up nubbins`
nubbins`: sorry, gone agzin
nubbins`: *again
nubbins`: print sale was a smashing success, gonna get drunk
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 687182.56 Est. Next Diff: 535172.17 in 1988 blocks (#42336) Est. % Change: -22.12
benkay: <mircea_popescu> for a coupla hours there it looked like the whole damned charade'll have to be taken down and redone. // mpex?
BingoBoingo: !up hanbot
assbot: Log In - The New York Times
asciilifeform: hanbot: preet bharara!
asciilifeform: hanbot: the american roland freisler
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: why would i wish for the gadget if i had a machining setup. (could then make one just like it.)
asciilifeform: mpex modem << as i recall, reliability of net connection is not an issue at mpex
kakobrekla: asciilifeform having one thing machined once is not same as having the machine at home
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: sure. i could have parts machined. but, on top of being a miser, i'm rather impatient.
kakobrekla: impatient. < off the shelf thing is your best bet then.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: see 'miser' part.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: off-the-shelf variant of the whole shebang is 50k or so.
kakobrekla: well im getting mixed readings here - the offer in otc was 2btc? which is 1k or something?
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: (of what? pick'n'placer & paste depositor combo robot)
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: 2btc offer for complete xyz frame and analogue components.
asciilifeform: afaik, this is not available as a standalone product anywhere.
kakobrekla: something like what im building should be 15-25k - this is custom made.
kakobrekla: at least that was the estimate that a company here gave me.
kakobrekla: years ago though.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: just need to move a steel tube around inside a 50cm cube to 0.1mm.
asciilifeform: (steps)
kakobrekla: 0.1 is not much to ask as far as i know.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: the funny part is, surplus lab robots (like the one i used to program) can be had for < $1k. but they're gigantic.
asciilifeform: !up hanbot
kakobrekla: cheap
asciilifeform: cheap. but it has to stand somewhere. and be moved there.
kakobrekla: iirc i paid about 5k back them for my stuff.
kakobrekla: back then*
hanbot wonders how big an ideal robot is
asciilifeform: hanbot: ideal for what ?
asciilifeform: hanbot: for my particular case, a cube of 50cm edge would suffice.
hanbot: well exactly. something bound by accidental inhalation on the lower end and hernias on the higher
kakobrekla: Z axis of 50 is most problematic parameter :)
asciilifeform: hanbot: naturally depends on the size and quantity of objects being moved.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: actually a 'z' of 5cm or so would suffice.
kakobrekla: mostly - Z is a small fraction of X or Y
kakobrekla: yeah.
asciilifeform: hanbot: about the size of a compact car.
asciilifeform: well, not mine. belonged to usa.
hanbot: looks pretty hefty
asciilifeform: it was.
assbot: Game 13 - Death 2563 Life 7437 Year 738 - War of Life
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: Theodore Y. Ts'o doesn't comprehend what random means << 'random' is simply a non-scientific qualifier. like 'big'.
assbot: U.S. Senator blasts Microsoft's H-1B push as it lays off 18,000 workers - Computerworld
decimation: But the senator's attack on "three of our greatest masters of the universe," and "super billionaires," was clearly primed by Microsoft's announcement, also on Thursday, that it was laying off18,000 employees. "What did we see in the newspaper today?" said Sessions, "News from Microsoft. Was it that they are having to raise wages to try to get enough good, quality engineers to do the work? Are they expanding or are they hiring? No,
decimation: that is not what the news was, unfortunately. Not at all."
asciilifeform: decimation: if the indians graduating from u.s. schools agreed to live 10 to a room in a dormitory, instead of 250k/yr in chumper town (see http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-04-2014#606968) they might get hired in place of the imported coolies.
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
decimation: indeed. and the question of banning the import of said coolies is off the table of course
atcbot: 1 hour 17 minutes and 57 seconds
asciilifeform: decimation: why should microshit (or anybody else) subsidize the real estate racket?
decimation: the irony being that the very many who can make such policy (a senator) is whining about what bill gates says in the newspaper
decimation: yeah that's the underlying driver. bezzle -> real estate values -> suddenly life is unaffordable for the peasants
asciilifeform: decimation: if you think a senator - or entire senate - can ban the use of coolies - i've a bridge to sell.
asciilifeform: !up hanbot
asciilifeform: the real estate mafia would dearly love such a ban - but even they cannot make it happen.
decimation: one would think that the voters would be against the dilution of their own power
decimation: but this is a case of the deer kneeling in front of the hunter
asciilifeform: i for one don't give even a basic fuck whether microshit employees can live in mansions - or in specially-constructed oubliettes with a terminal in the lid and a hole for shit in the bottom.
decimation: there were plenty of the early ones who cashed in on bezzle money - real estate prices are not cheap around bellingham
asciilifeform: pyramids happen.
decimation: according to mircea's theory, the us voter want to emulate their soviet brothers - turn themselves into the third world gulag so that they can be a somebody
asciilifeform: since mp seems to be on a bit of a dan mocsny kick, let's channel herr mocsny:
asciilifeform: 'I don’t have to write that I want millions of chickens to be brutally murdered. I can buy all the dead chickens I want at the grocery. When advocating a policy that requires violence for its implementation, it is rarely necessary to advocate the violence. Once people agree to implement the policy, the necessary violence will be forthcoming.'
asciilifeform: the idiots want to 'matter.' the gulag will be forthcoming. no one needs to ask for it.
decimation: even if they are technically free to do otherwise, they are not free.
decimation: "they are not free" << I mean that they lack the will to do otherwise, making their "rights" and "freedoms" as useful as toliet graffiti
decimation: http://trilema.com/2012/in-re-philosophy-freedom-of-scientific-information/#footnote_0_44044 "You probably know of it through the ulterior, bastardized, middle-class morality of ?no politics at the dinner table?. In practice, people were gathered around the table because they had business together, and the bourgeois do not wish to have higher considerations possibly interfere with their stuffing of the gullet, so they adapted an old
assbot: In re “Philosophy : Freedom of scientific information” pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
decimation: rule for new needs"
decimation: ie as long as the peasants are fat, dumb & happy they don't give a shit what the remote lords might wish, even if on paper the peasants are in charge
mircea_popescu: benkay yeah.
mircea_popescu: danke. so preet bharara finally lost a case http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/19/business/Rengan-Rajaratnam-case-shows-limits-of-insider-trading-laws.html << fucking douches. no, it shows the limits of the fucking corrupt us government.
assbot: Log In - The New York Times
mircea_popescu: this "we got the courts rigged so you gotta say you did what we say you did and then go to siberia" bs only goes as far as it goes.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: mpex modem << as i recall, reliability of net connection is not an issue at mpex << so far that's the part that works best.
mircea_popescu: hanbot:well exactly. something bound by accidental inhalation on the lower end and hernias on the higher << i agree. half meter cube, ideal robot.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: Theodore Y. Ts'o doesn't comprehend what random means << 'random' is simply a non-scientific qualifier. like 'big'. << looking forward to reading medicine treatises in similar terms. something tells me teh colonies will soon deliver.
decimation: why would usg bother with the minor part of the little brother anyway
artifexd: []bot appears to be down. I'm out of the country. Can't fix it until I get back next week. Sorry folks.
mircea_popescu: artifexd aite
mircea_popescu: decimation hm ?
decimation: the rengan rajaratnam dude
decimation: "It seems unlikely that he?d have been hired at Galleon were he not Raj Rajaratnam?s brother. Even then, his older brother demoted him several times and he made less money there than some secretaries."
dub: !isitdown mpex.co
mircea_popescu: it's down.
mircea_popescu: "That seems to have been the end of the courtship. (Mr. Palecek died from an infection in 2010.)" << the rate at which these people die of preventable causes is ridiculous. seriously, work for supposedly the masters of the country, best paid job, corridors of power, die of "an infection" ?
decimation: yeah that was amusing too
decimation: I guess they ran out of nailguns
benkay: <asciilifeform> <hanbot> well exactly. something bound by accidental inhalation on the lower end and hernias on the higher // 6-8 axis arm on an actuated sphere. hernias not an issue, follows one around.
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