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decimation: yeah and the elites know it, even if only in the hindbrain
decimation: perhaps the fate of the US is to have a "russian 90's" and then see a putin-like figure arise. I kinda doubt it though, because of the intense allergy us folk have to anyone telling them what to do
decimation: asciilifeform: I think you wrote about how the effects of the nuke bomb were seriously hyped back in the cold war days. Here's an interesting link: http://glasstone.blogspot.com/
assbot: Declassified effects of nuclear weapons and other threats: minimizing weapons effects on civilians
decimation: it's a bit wordy, but the bottom line is that civil defense against nuclear weapons is extremely effective
decimation: if you get most of your population into extremely cheap bunkers quickly, very few will die
decimation: this is an inconvienent fact if you want to hype the bomb into a mega-weapon in order to manipulate the masses into supporting your "peace programs"
decimation: so - civil defense got the boot.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 29 @ 0.06539315 = 1.8964 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17450 @ 0.00082175 = 14.3395 BTC [+] {2}
Mats_cd03: uh and the trillions in infrastructure damage?
decimation: right, but the point is that a realistic nuclear attack isn't going to be much more damaging than conventional bombs if defenses are prepared
nubbins`: [01:04:30] <+bitstein> ;;rate napedia 8 Close friend from Austin, TX BTC meetup. Wicked smart. Lots of privilege.
nubbins`: ^ lel, but how many t-shirts?
decimation: "If you want peace, be ready for war. If you want to encourage aggressors, disarm."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06698006 = 0.6698 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell decimation Is our last name Teller by any chance?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30550 @ 0.00082408 = 25.1756 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: Top US patent judge resigns following ethical breach | Ars Technica
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell decimation something in the long run you'l have to grapple with here is the apparent aversion people have to eating strange.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: There Are No Giraffes In Ghana, Delta
assbot: Report: Seattle paid $17,500 to boost online reputation of city official | Ars Technica
mircea_popescu: the us paid ~500mn to boost online reputation of white house official.
mircea_popescu: !up RedStallion
BingoBoingo: Malaki paid ~1200 soldiers to keep his boys in Baghdad from deserting.
mircea_popescu: now that's cheap
BingoBoingo: Historically yeah.
assbot: Photos of Mass Executions of Iraqi Soldiers by ISIS | Best Gore
BingoBoingo: It's why I'm leaning towards predicting partition.
mircea_popescu: i think iran will invade if that's on the books.
BingoBoingo: Sure, they probably take the south. The Kurds keep the productive north. Isis keeps the bullshit parts.
mircea_popescu: yeah, right.
mircea_popescu: the notion of any sort of kurdish state would require commitment to the level of 100k boots on the ground for a few years, and then ongoing support a la israel.
mircea_popescu: and the kurds aren't the jews, either.
BingoBoingo: At the moment though Iraqi Kurds have money, they actually like the hardware the US left them, and Turkey prolly wants to trim its welfare rolls...
mircea_popescu: it's a pipe dream
mircea_popescu: i'll give you even odds on kurdish holocaust vs kurdish independence any time.
BingoBoingo: Well, UN sort of Statehood is, but they can prolly keep this feudal de fact autonomy going a few decades. Also UN sort of statehood is on its way out.
BingoBoingo: So how do we spec "i'll give you even odds on kurdish holocaust vs kurdish independence any time" for BitBet?
mircea_popescu: and since we're discussing the war in iraq, let's debunk some common myths. the us has spent close to 2 trillion on it so far, which balloons to 7 trillion if you count interest payments, as the us is flat broke (the affair will be paid for by 2055ish).
mircea_popescu: this includes ~ 100k ak guns missing, about half a trillion in disappeared funds, including billions paid to known outright washington graft
BingoBoingo: No dispute there.
mircea_popescu: the revenue from iraqi oil was 5 bn in 2013.
BingoBoingo: I though at least a full trillion disappeared into the hole and graft...
mircea_popescu: that's 0.1% of the total cost, roughly speaking.
mircea_popescu: NOT worth it. in fact, if the usg simply invested its 7trn budget into bitcointalk "investments" the us would be ahead today
BingoBoingo: Bush I really should have just blessed Bin Laded keeping occupied with Saddam.
mircea_popescu: o yeah, and of the ~50bn spent on reconstruction (1% of total, or 10x the benefits) pretty much nothing of any use was built.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo that'd have required people with something other than cotton between their ears living and breathing in washington
mircea_popescu: however, with fuckwits a la kerry, rice or clinton...
BingoBoingo: It's still satisfying to say 9/11 was HW's fault
mircea_popescu: idont see how it'd be.
BingoBoingo: He could have Kept Bin Laden busy through the 90's like Reagan did through the 1980's
mircea_popescu: look at that man. he went in there all plump and looking 35. a decade later he looks 60
BingoBoingo: I though that was just 6 years of knowing he sucks aged him.
mircea_popescu: i dunno what can do that to a man, outside of smoking rocks
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: You have to realize everything he does is the near opposite of what you enjoy and consider healthy
mircea_popescu: no wonder they can't get talent.
BingoBoingo: Also... who are his daughters dating... That has to age him too.
mircea_popescu: looks like erzsebet bathory's ballet troupe. "send your girl over, we'll suck her blood and leave an empty husk within five years".
BingoBoingo: It happened to W. less so to Clinton because Interns.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 634 @ 0.0008216 = 0.5209 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: Hard to say if it aged Reagan or if he had a lucid moment after year 2. Cater was afraid of rabbits.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 12401 @ 0.00031307 = 3.8824 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8700 @ 0.00082105 = 7.1431 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7287 @ 0.00082105 = 5.983 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 589.51, Best ask: 591.62, Bid-ask spread: 2.11000, Last trade: 592.1, 24 hour volume: 9550.98273248, 24 hour low: 580.0, 24 hour high: 610.0, 24 hour vwap: 598.225360045
atcbot: 35k@250 2k@240 16k@235 | 0k@180 0k@176 0k@172
assbot: AAA THE F-35 IS A LEMON PIERRE SPREY (RUNAWAY FIGHTER) FIFTH ESTATE EXTENDED INTERVW - YouTube
BingoBoingo: I'd almost venture to say based on Opportunity costs that the F-35 might have been as injurous to the US as Iraq
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.2157505 = 0.863 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 43 @ 0.215001 = 9.245 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.2125 = 0.85 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.2112 = 4.224 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 15 @ 0.2113 = 3.1695 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21679 @ 0.00082105 = 17.7995 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.20814003 = 2.0814 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3721 @ 0.00082362 = 3.0647 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 57 @ 0.06699998 = 3.819 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.2014 = 2.2154 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 80 @ 0.06700125 = 5.3601 BTC [+] {2}
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: it displays really weirdly here
fluffypony: it works, but the text is all fuzzy
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7406 @ 0.00082319 = 6.0965 BTC [-]
fluffypony: ;;later tell mircea_popescu Fiverr takes Bitcoin now, well worth making an account - there's so much stupid shit I've used Fiverr for it's well worth it
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23000 @ 0.00082336 = 18.9373 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33100 @ 0.00082121 = 27.1821 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30800 @ 0.00082545 = 25.4239 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45623 @ 0.00082049 = 37.4332 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 19 @ 0.0666 = 1.2654 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 28 @ 0.0666 = 1.8648 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23500 @ 0.00081995 = 19.2688 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06646475 = 0.6646 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 19 @ 0.06514736 = 1.2378 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.065 = 0.65 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 13 @ 0.065 = 0.845 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06641553 = 0.6642 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11500 @ 0.00082309 = 9.4655 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06500903 = 0.6501 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29700 @ 0.00082022 = 24.3605 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 27 @ 0.06334622 = 1.7103 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: Microsoft Security Bulletin MS14-031 - Important
davout: fluffypony: meh, we're basically back at the time where you could nuke ppl
fluffypony: davout: yeah, WinNuke 2014
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 123 @ 0.020001 = 2.4601 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10982 @ 0.0008227 = 9.0349 BTC [+]
assbot: BE200 Immersion Test on Vimeo
kakobrekla: lots of bubbling.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16100 @ 0.00081968 = 13.1968 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.063301 = 0.9495 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20450 @ 0.00081883 = 16.7451 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: Hidden message on the new sourceforge TrueCrypt site
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.063301 = 0.6963 BTC [+]
assbot: How did the RCMP crack BlackBerry’s security? | Ottawa Citizen
Mats_cd03: '3DES among the best in the world'
Mats_cd03: with 80 bits of security!!!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31566 @ 0.00081793 = 25.8188 BTC [-] {4}
Mats_cd03: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 306303 | Current Difficulty: 1.1756551916903952E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 306431 | Next Difficulty In: 128 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 17 hours, 27 minutes, and 16 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 13307564206.9 | Estimated Percent Change: 13.19275
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17913 @ 0.00081789 = 14.6509 BTC [-]
moiety: hurro all
jurov: hi moiety
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23600 @ 0.00081768 = 19.2972 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5396 @ 0.000817 = 4.4085 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44228 @ 0.0008169 = 36.1299 BTC [-] {3}
moiety: how are you jurov? i've not seen you for a wee bit (moving sucks btw)
moiety: !up Cory
moiety: !up ericmuyser
artifexd: moiety: Saw this and thought of you. http://i.imgur.com/isGXwi2.gif
moiety: artifexd: omg! thanks for linking me! thats my first manul gif... lol it's brilliant, can't stop chuckling :D
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21200 @ 0.00081904 = 17.3636 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19800 @ 0.00082108 = 16.2574 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26200 @ 0.0008227 = 21.5547 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.20201 = 0.606 BTC [-] {2}
jurov: moiety i'm well, afk more often now
jurov: and still learning to manage people and other company/accounting intricacies
jurov: and becoming more lazy than ever lol :D
Apocalyptic: jurov, how many people do you manage out of curiosity ?
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jurov: it depends how you define it, maybe 2-3
jurov: they are not employers but freelancers/partners, what makes things worse
jurov: (i guess)
Apocalyptic: jurov, I see
jurov: such as, i asked a designer to improve colours of coinroll logo. he made three variants
jurov: but upon presenting them, namworld sid he can do better and old logo was actually okay
assbot: [POLL] Coinroll Color Scheme
jurov: and wao said, but wait, i ask my friend too
jurov: i was like arghhhhhhh
chetty: it is good tho to practice/learn management on little things
jurov: i should not have allowed such a bikeshed discussion at all
Apocalyptic: chetty, yeah, may come in handy when managing bigger projects
chetty: exactly :) important lesson
ThickAsThieves: New Coinbase marketing campaign: http://imgur.com/cG07rQU
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: if document is genuine, this is likely a 'marketing scheme' for the usg blacklist crap.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 969 @ 0.0008227 = 0.7972 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3831 @ 0.00082274 = 3.1519 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 23 @ 0.0633 = 1.4559 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25269 @ 0.00082274 = 20.7898 BTC [+]
jurov: ThickAsThieves: context? what kind of buseness was that aimed to?
mircea_popescu: fluffypony i guess.
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03: '3DES among the best in the world' lawl.
mircea_popescu: but then what's that scrape when blackberry wouldn't give its keys to some foreign, i don't recall, russia was it ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78700 @ 0.00082477 = 64.9094 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9136 @ 0.00082294 = 7.5184 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: jurov: but upon presenting them, namworld sid he can do better and old logo was actually okay << hey, my vote won!
assbot: DataTank Mining: 1.2MW 3M Novec Immersion Cooled 2PH Mining Containers
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves: New Coinbase marketing campaign: http://imgur.com/cG07rQU <<< ahgaha what stupid retarded shit is that.
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: if document is genuine, this is likely a 'marketing scheme' for the usg blacklist crap. << if it is it'll backfire, ppl get to learn first hand just how harmless btc actually is by telling these folk to stfu / ignoring them
mircea_popescu: "During years of engineering time, we have built a network of partners, resources and contacts in Asia, Europe and the USA." yet the best they could do was still havelock.
pankkake: Our first larger scale immersion cooled cluster consisted of 6048 Xilinx®Spartan-6 FPGAs in 24 tanks and was built in early 2012 with the Bitcoin still below $5.
pankkake: how many coins would that be?
mircea_popescu: "we of course can not offer any documentation to this claim, nor have we learned to gpg yet, because this is all very common of big ticker 2012 miners"
pankkake: also, why would they need to raise funds
mircea_popescu: "we also knew what chips bfl had sanded off in 2013 way back in 2011, which allowed us to beat them to the punch by two years but keep quiet about it"
mircea_popescu: "also bitcoin was under 5 in spite of us secretly doing 140% of network hash on our 6k bfl miners self-delivered early by about 17 months"
mircea_popescu: pankkake how many coins would that be? << the early (only) bfl delivered miners were commercial fpgas, so you know... a lot.
mircea_popescu: i dun recall them actually delivering 5k of the things, they had a limited supply prolly bought off some suprluss deal.
mircea_popescu: "The company will publish financial statements and certified audits frequently to make calculation of operating expenses transparent."
mircea_popescu: idjits ffs.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 53 @ 0.0633 = 3.3549 BTC [+]
los_pantalones: this video says "99% electicity saved - Extremely efficient cooling"
[]bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $400 before August" http://bitbet.us/bet/944/ Odds: 26(Y):74(N) by coin, 26(Y):74(N) by weight. Total bet: 7.78602464 BTC. Current weight: 93,931.
los_pantalones: i'm no mathemagician, but that seems high
mike_c: ^ wtf? people think marshalls are going to dump the price?
mike_c: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 596.38, Best ask: 599.5, Bid-ask spread: 3.12000, Last trade: 596.38, 24 hour volume: 5611.63210563, 24 hour low: 580.0, 24 hour high: 602.3, 24 hour vwap: 592.337568602
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.06439287 = 1.2879 BTC [+]
chetty: Obama announces 275 US troops WILL be sent to Iraq to protect American embassy in Baghdad days after saying they would not return = suicide mission
los_pantalones: mike_c i've noticed a lot of people arguing that everyone who buys in the auction is going to sell into the market
mircea_popescu: mike_c more or lesss stable it seems
mircea_popescu: los_pantalones you didn't see people arguing that
jurov: mike_c i don't understand the sentiment, either... rather suspect someone hopes to win the auction and is tryng to dump the price
mike_c: that would be, retarded!
los_pantalones: not here, of course
assbot: This is just about everyone on the Internet pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
los_pantalones: hahahahah
mircea_popescu: jurov kinda nonsensical. if he dumps the price he gets competition.
jurov: yes.. i got no explanation then.
mike_c: <+mircea_popescu> mike_c more or lesss stable it seems << yeah, that surprises me. i would think it would be sliding towards no instead of staying stable.
los_pantalones: i thought the market should have rallied on the auction news, it wasn't necessarily clear how they would sell the coins
mircea_popescu: how about you know, derps paying voluntary stupid tax (again)
pankkake: can the exchanges even handle 20000 coins? that sounds risky for a quick profit
jurov: but still.. maybe it's the same derp who bought s.dice day after divs were paid
los_pantalones: and i think the process is not bad, chunky sizes to better financed entities
mircea_popescu: pankkake you don't have to use the exchanges. you can just undercut los_pantalones here :D
los_pantalones: mircea_popescu correct
mircea_popescu: i wouldn't worry too much if i were you.
pankkake: ;;ticker --market bitcoincentral --vol
gribble: 101.04901102
mircea_popescu: it's not a sale anyway. if anything, it's good news for you.
pankkake: ;;ticker --market bitstamp --vol
gribble: 5602.81348519
mircea_popescu: pankkake whoa shit, they're getting close to the 100 btc cutoff ?!
pankkake: it's daily volume
mircea_popescu: i was about to say davout got 51 problems and a horse ain't one.
mike_c: jurov: for the record, my retarded comment was about buying the coins to sell, not your theory :) but i agree with mp that I don't think the bitstamp price will have much to do with the auction price.
mike_c: or, if i'm putting words in his mouth, then that's what i think at least.
mircea_popescu: close enough.
pankkake: will the prices be public?
los_pantalones: you have to submit a price on friday, find out if you win monday night
mircea_popescu: how was your father's day btw ?
los_pantalones: pankkake unclear, not much disclosed about what happens when you win
los_pantalones: sorry, if*
mike_c: mine? it was great. left the kid at grandma's and went out with the wife.
mircea_popescu: hahaha score.
mircea_popescu: in unrelated news, my pyjamas have little octopuses on them, my table is an inch of glass, i prop my knee under it while sitting. 3rd fucking thims this morning i had a peripheral vision panic of "WHOA WTF ARE THOSE"
davout: pankkake: "it's daily volume" <<< nothing that a couple 0-fee accounts can't fix anyway
kakobrekla: o cool
kakobrekla clicks apply.
jurov: mircea_popescu wears pyjamas? O.o
mircea_popescu: what do you wear
jurov: better go without (unless you fear snakes)
pankkake: not even a pajama suit
mircea_popescu: pankkake no, it's a suit alright.
mircea_popescu: well it doesn't have a vest, but anyway. got pockets and everything
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 7937 @ 0.0000985 = 0.7818 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.06644663 = 0.5316 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: http://muscleheadgym.wordpress.com/2013/08/29/i-scared-myself-today/ << i wonder how this guy's post'd look like if a cop had picked him up for gta, and then kept him under key until such a time a translator could establish the woman's not angry at having caught a thief but relieved at having been broken into her car.
assbot: I scared myself today | The Musclehead Gym
assbot: Bitcoin tetovania s v kurze. Pozrite sa na pravch fanikov digitlnej meny.
jurov: she prolly forgot the text "insert bitcoins here"
jurov: but dunno if she got crypto capable cunt
kakobrekla: its inset buttcoins in the bck
kakobrekla: insert*
kakobrekla: fuck cmon.
jurov: asciilifeform: what about S.NSA developing btc wallet that can be implanted into dick/cunt with NFC capability?
jurov: ofc, in the butt, too (butt one will be then configured by user to ask more)
davout: jurov: are you fucking crazy?
davout: who would use nfc for a bitcoin wallet??
pankkake: the real issue with his plan is the block size limit
chetty: hmm never actually considered getting a tattoo ....before
mircea_popescu: pankkake it has no cock size limit, you were lied to
pankkake: if it's one tx per entry
jurov: okay, not nfc. it makes more sense using actual electrodes, so physical contact is needed (and environment must be wet)
davout: i can't wait for the triple-entry accounting illustration
mircea_popescu: a'cuntin' ?
pankkake: somehow I feel the last links are NSFW
mircea_popescu: pankkake since when are you employed ?!
davout: lol
pankkake: unfortunately…
mircea_popescu: french employment. where good pr0n is only a lick away
assbot: Multi-Sig Bitcoin Wallet Provider BitGo Raises $12 Million
pankkake: my last employer was NSFW friendly though
davout: every decent employer is nsfw-friendly
davout: nsfw can also help improve security policies at the office
pankkake: i.e. I was expected to send porn to my "boss"
pankkake: how so?
davout: well, if each time you leave your desk without locking your session you find full-screen gay porn playing upon returning there you start paying attention to locking your session
jurov: davout, that depends :D
davout: lol, i guess it needs to be tailored to the target
pankkake: I am much more paranoid, gay porn is far from something I'd fear
pankkake: I always lock it + 5 min idle lock
asciilifeform: forgot to lock my console once at uni, in dorm. chums walked in, changed display background to a shot of winblows 'me'
davout: asciilifeform: it's much funnier to change the background to a full screen shot, and then hide the icons
pankkake: Windows Meuh
asciilifeform: davout: that's what it was
asciilifeform: jurov: fingerprint locks -> lose yer finger; cock wallet -> lose...
jurov: if i scale down the craziness, maybe tongue implant would actually work.. to pay or gpg sign something, one has to lick the electrodes
davout: jurov: that would work amazingly well if coupled to a buttwallet
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
asciilifeform: rectumprint.
asciilifeform: sit on a stake scanner.
assbot: Tongue piercing helps paralysed patients drive wheelchairs | Society | theguardian.com
chetty: so in Pennsylvania if you don{t log into a bank account for 6 months the state takes it
pankkake: even in France it's 30 years!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33650 @ 0.00082244 = 27.6751 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: <jurov> davout, that depends :D << lol
mircea_popescu: <jurov> if i scale down the craziness, maybe tongue implant would actually work.. to pay or gpg sign something, one has to lick the electrodes << im not fucking licking anything
mircea_popescu: !up jediballs
assbot: Ukraine Gas Pipeline Explosion Won't Affect Supplies to Europe - WSJ
kakobrekla: lol wtf is this
assbot: Delta Financial Offers Interest-Bearing Bitcoin Accounts
chetty: <mircea_popescu> <jurov> if i scale down the craziness, maybe tongue implant would actually work.. to pay or gpg sign something, one has to lick the electrodes << im not fucking licking anything<< well your slaves can do it
mircea_popescu: kinda meh
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla people desperate for bitcoin capital
mircea_popescu: it will only get worse.
kakobrekla: ah i get it, the bitfinex model
kakobrekla: i thought pirate was out of jail at first
mircea_popescu: on the short term, 2015-2016, it'll be AMAZING what sort of interest people will be able to earn if they don't actually want their bitcoin capital back
mircea_popescu: increasingly more respectable firms will be offering btc denominated savings accounts with a fiat clause as the cheapest most accessible way to get in the game
mircea_popescu: (stuff like "deposit your bitcoin with for 50% per annum!!1" small print "repayable in either bitcoin or fiat at our option")
mircea_popescu: all the "everyone made ROI hand over fist with a 60% btc loss" crowd will be well served.
jurov: ftfy: "repayable at our option"
mircea_popescu: jurov that'll slowly go away.
mircea_popescu: it's cheaper to pay a few % and pretend like you've paid than to not pay at all.
mircea_popescu: the only reason this isn't the rule now is the relative small size of the deals, which makes cluelessness seaworthy
jurov: afaik it was the case with fiat before central banking
mircea_popescu: but even on a market of garr and nasty fucktards, it's slowly emerging
mircea_popescu: something like that yes.
mircea_popescu: early bank paper (banknotes) stoood to gold in a very similar relation. "deposit your gold, we'll pay 5976597985%. in gold. or maybe paper"
mircea_popescu: "it's just as good"
fluffypony: lol - 4chan campaign ends up IRL: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exc6e3TUBWk
assbot: #EndFathersDay - a Twitter Campaign to End Patriarchy & Oppression - #SingleMothersDay - YouTube
pankkake: paying dividends seems the way to keep investors happy
pankkake: until, of course, well
pankkake: "they pay dividends" is the usual retort to any criticism
mircea_popescu: yeah, it's been through the years the most popular scam. "deposit lump sum, we'll pay you a few %s of it a few times. annuity ftw!"
mircea_popescu: but re the paper conundrum, take this ancient quote : trilema.com/digging-through-archives-yields-gold
assbot: Feds put up signs telling cats to stay away (Psst! Cat's can't read.) | The Libertarian Republic
mircea_popescu: Government sponsored enterprises enter the business, in due course bad behavior is made mandatory, and the evil financial network is bigger than the honest financial network, with the result that even though everyone knows what is happening, people continue to use the paper issued by the evil financial network, because of network effects - the big, main issuers, are the issuers you use if you want to do business.
mircea_popescu: Then knowledgeable people complain that the evil financial network is heading for disaster, that the government sponsored enterprises are about to cause a “collapse of the total financial system”, as Wallison and Alan Greenspan complained in 2005, the government debates shrinking the evil government sponsored enterprises, as with “S. 190 [109th]: Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005″ but they
mircea_popescu: seductive, and S. 190 goes down in flames before a horde of political activists chanting that easy money is sound, and opposing it is racist, nazi, ignorant, and generally hateful, the recent S. 190 debate on limiting portfolios (bond issue supporting dud mortgages) by government sponsored enterprises being a perfect reprise of the debates on limiting the issue of new assignats in the 1790s.
mircea_popescu: The big and easy government attacks on money target a single central money issuer, as with the first of the modern political attacks, the French Assignat of 1792, but in the late nineteenth century political attacks on financial networks began, as for example the Federal reserve act of 1913, the goal always being to wind up the network into a single too big to fail entity, and they have been getting progressively bigger,
mircea_popescu: ore disastrous, as with the most recent one. Each attack is hugely successful, and after the cataclysm that the attack causes the attackers are hailed as saviors of the poor, the oppressed, and the nation generally, and the blame for the the bad consequences is dumped elsewhere, usually on Jews, greedy bankers, speculators, etc, because such attacks ar
mircea_popescu: guy knew EXACTLY what was going to be going on, back in... 2009.
mircea_popescu: this is also why stomping out us influence in bitcoin is quite so critical for its survival at this juncture.
mircea_popescu: they seem to not wish to submit, so they will have to be killed, pretty much.
jurov: !up chax
jurov: !up chax
mircea_popescu: lol the voiceless!
assbot: In Search of the Ideal Bitcoin Jurisdiction
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.94523860 BTC to 9`095 shares, 21388 satoshi per share
los_pantalones: i always thought UAE would be the best jurisdiction for btc
los_pantalones: they already trade with everyone in the world
los_pantalones: and get stuck with USD
los_pantalones: but "jurisdiction" seems like a pointless word
los_pantalones: for something that operates outside borders
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6200 @ 0.00082518 = 5.1161 BTC [+]
jurov: los_pantalones what's better word for poor schmucks like me that need to get the fiat out somehow?
los_pantalones: out of the country ?
los_pantalones: where you reside ?
jurov: slovankia/eu. but the VAT needs not be such a big problem as the paint it
jurov: *they
jurov: it isn't so much yet it would require offshore solution
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15300 @ 0.00081947 = 12.5379 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12350 @ 0.00081861 = 10.1098 BTC [-] {2}
chetty: I dont see tax so much the issue as the bank squeeze
los_pantalones: chetty agreed
davout: did anyone buy the emblematic iranian shoes?
mircea_popescu: which were those ?
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell bitcoinpete you know, your litecoin article'd benefit from a lot more reductio ad absurdum and other directly-obvious proofs to displace most of the appeals to authority.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: if you say "<<At around US$30/LTC, it’s more affordable to outright purchase too. >> This author, like many a CoinDesker, is of the mistaken belief that buying a whole shitty thing just because you can afford it is better than buying a part of something far superior. Today, you can buy a million satoshis for $6 or you can buy most of the Dogecoin for sale on the market. Incredibly, some people will actually go for the la
mircea_popescu: ense. “Affordability” isn’t what you think it is."
mircea_popescu: you're not helping your reader all that much.
mircea_popescu: if you say "By this logic, it is better to buy half of a pair of boots than a whole car" you are.
mircea_popescu: Right off the bat, we see that Litecoin is pitched at the “average user.” This, of course, is a huge red flag that Litecoin is doomed to failure. Anything aimed at the lowest common denominator must necessarily be shit. <<< like what, like air ?
mircea_popescu: take pussy for instance. pussy is constructed with the average user in mind. it's not shit, that's a different hole.
mircea_popescu: too strong statements put you in the unenviable position that a ready counterexample can be constructed that speaks to what you say, and then your entire argument looks weak, where it needn't.
assbot: M126 | Persian Shoes
davout: their shoes look rad
davout: also they were featured i some tv bitcoin documentary, what decided me to get some was how the iranian shoe maker made fun of the western journalists shoes
davout: handmade shoes for 150 bucks, plus i get to transact with iran
mircea_popescu: i dont see what's so special about them but anyway
davout: i desire them, that's what's special
mircea_popescu: aite then. dealing with iran isn't such a bad thing anyway
mircea_popescu: i recall back in 2012 when i was beating the bushes for sane iranian peoples lol
jurov: terrorist shoes!!1
jurov: !up adrrr
jurov: sfw
mircea_popescu: !up edlund10
edlund10: thanks
assbot: BitBet - FIFA World Cup 2014: goal in under 10 mins :: 0.29 B (67%) on Yes, 0.14 B (33%) on No | closing in 3 weeks 7 hours | weight: 78`609 (100`000 to 1)
edlund10: this bet should be already resolved as yes :)
mircea_popescu: leave a comment there then
edlund10: i left it, but wasn't sure if it's enough
mircea_popescu: !up Dimsler
Dimsler: lol
Dimsler: btc
Dimsler: i can't wait until the first kidnapping for btc occurs
mircea_popescu: i can't wait until people start reading the logs before they think they're being all newsworthy and shit
mircea_popescu: !down Dimsler
jurov: Dimsler,last i heard BingoBoingo arranges one with FARC
adrrr: bitbet odds are so ugly
kakobrekla: adrrr the design approval committee was colorblind
fluffypony: ;;later tell moiety I think I found the first cat that can take on a manul: http://i.imgur.com/PZNxrN4.jpg
gribble: The operation succeeded.
fluffypony: kakobrekla: I thought it was the same design committee that did the UI design for apex?
fluffypony: s/apex/mpex
adrrr: kakobrekla: I didn't talk about the design, but the number
kakobrekla: fluffypony there is some intersection for sure.
kakobrekla: adrrr you want the number bigger or smaller?
kakobrekla: i can fix it in the css.
jurov: .odds: {font-family: comic-sans;}
adrrr: no not css or anything. By the way nice website ! I just think the odds are to bad to play. It's just what I think :D
kakobrekla: is bigger one bigger than smaller one or no
jurov: adrr for example this for example had very good odds: http://bitbet.us/bet/901/fifa-world-cup-2014-goal-in-under-10/
assbot: BitBet - FIFA World Cup 2014: goal in under 10 mins :: 0.29 B (67%) on Yes, 0.14 B (33%) on No | closing in 3 weeks 6 hours | weight: 78`570 (100`000 to 1)
jurov: so what is the problem?
kakobrekla: i guess it depends if its == or ===.
pankkake: just do == || === to be sure
pankkake: unless you want == && ===
benkay: <kakobrekla> adrrr the design approval committee was colorblind // ah i always knew it mircea_popescu is a DAC
kakobrekla: i usually use the shorthand ==(=)
jurov: kakobrekla usually uses 100-second minutes
kakobrekla: did you know a day is two nights long
benkay: or .1...but it doesn't matter, you know?
adrrr: anyway this is a good website
benkay: make sure your odds are ======== reality before betting
adrrr: yeah that's it
pankkake: adrrr: yes. I use it more for fun than profit. or at least that's what I tell myself :D
benkay: and your fees are ======= 0
pankkake: 0 rounded up
benkay: yeah hey i mean they're really small numbers
adrrr: sport bet website in bitcoins have bigger number than sport bet normal website. I think this is a good thing for bitcoin cause a lot of gamblers will realize that
benkay: bigger numbers are definitely best numbers
pankkake: no, not bigger. just more numbers
assbot: BitBet Affiliate Ad - Btc Alpha
adrrr: lol I don't understand you, can we say better odds?
kakobrekla: would a smaller or bigger font be better ?
pankkake: !up adrrr
adrrr: that's not a problem of font
adrrr: you're kidding me
kakobrekla: but it would make the number smaller or bigger. :(
jurov: adrrr please say cmplete informatin or example - where do you get better odds?
jurov: if you don't qualify you easily become butt of jokes
[]bot: Bet placed: 1.25 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $400 before August" http://bitbet.us/bet/944/ Odds: 22(Y):78(N) by coin, 22(Y):78(N) by weight. Total bet: 9.13602464 BTC. Current weight: 93,558.
adrrr: For example on this bet : 0.29 B (67%) on Yes, 0.14 B (33%) on No
adrrr: When I see that I just don't wanna bet
davout: adrrr: that's because it's pari mutuel
adrrr: I'm gonna try to find an example with goods odds
davout: the way people bet is the way odds are defined
adrrr: oh so I'm a noob lol I didn't saw that
adrrr: It's a good idea !
adrrr: lol
kakobrekla: so we are not changing the css?
adrrr: ahaha
adrrr: everything is fine kakobrekla
mircea_popescu: better change it just to be sure (tm)
adrrr: I'll tell you what to do next ;)
fluffypony: kakobrekla: needs more jQuery
fluffypony: and webfonts
adrrr: and responsive design !
fluffypony: and PDF reports
pankkake: responsive is actually a good thing
pankkake: I like to have a narrow browser window and some websites really suck at it
benkay: you mean the dollar?
benkay: i do all of my ui with the htmldollar
adrrr: the picture is a joke
fluffypony: adrrr: it's serious business
adrrr: no it was just to explain to benkay that this is a joke
adrrr: (the picture)
Mats_cd03: whoevers behind Unicode 7.0 is challenged
Mats_cd03: new emoji, read like " cloud with tornado. snow capped mountain. white sun behind cloud."
jurov: Mats_cd03 we aren't there yet. apparently there's still "diversity gap": http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2459629,00.asp
assbot: Vulcan Salute, Middle Finger Among 250 New Emojis | News & Opinion | PCMag.com
jurov: "the lineup still doesn't include any African-American characters"
Mats_cd03: lol what
fluffypony: ;;ud figjam
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=figjam | Also a song, "FIGJAM (Fuck I'm Good Just Ask Me)" by Butterfingers, an Australian band. Bob: "Ahhh, finished tiling that roof at last..." Alan: "Yeah, FIGJAM!".
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22800 @ 0.00082518 = 18.8141 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: !up adrrr
kakobrekla: ah he gone.
kakobrekla: i was just about to say something.
kakobrekla: o wait
kakobrekla: !up adrrr
kakobrekla: get yourself in the wont if you want to talk
kakobrekla: or wot
adrrr: yep i'm in
adrrr: i was just not logged in
kakobrekla: ;;gettrust assbot adrrr
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35752 @ 0.0008247 = 29.4847 BTC [-] {2}
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask adrrr!~adrrr@APuteaux-652-1-213-139.w90-44.abo.wanadoo.fr. Trust relationship from user assbot to user adrrr: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=adrrr | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=adrrr | Rated since: Thu May 22 05:23:03 2014
FabianB: $vwap s.mpoe
empyex: FabianB: S.MPOE 1 day: average: 0.00082071 high: 0.0008265 low: 0.00081569 volume: 1300456 btc: 1067.29102587 7 day: average: 0.00082605 high: 0.00086895 low: 0.00081496 volume: 6563631 btc: 5421.87815351 30 day: average: 0.00087011 high: 0.00094991 low: 0.00079351 volume: 26687590 btc: 23221.15595391
FabianB: $vwap s.bbet
empyex: FabianB: S.BBET 1 day: average: 0.0005 high: 0.0005 low: 0.0005 volume: 1719 btc: 0.8595 7 day: average: 0.0005 high: 0.0005 low: 0.0005 volume: 1719 btc: 0.8595 30 day: average: 0.00048526 high: 0.000525 low: 0.00047 volume: 8347 btc: 4.050485
kakobrekla: 4 btc, almost record volume
jurov: $vwap f.mpif
empyex: jurov: F.MPIF 1 day: no data 7 day: no data 30 day: average: 0.00021705 high: 0.00021726 low: 0.00021536 volume: 95749 btc: 20.78211468
jurov: :(
jurov: okay, if 30day volume will be NaN then it propagates into NAV calculation and all hell will break loose
jurov: *30day price, i mean
FabianB: curious about the next bbet statement
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53950 @ 0.00081952 = 44.2131 BTC [-] {2}
FabianB: all worldcup bets should be resolved this period
mike_c: vwap30 if vwap30 else last_sale
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0699 = 0.699 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 35 @ 0.02 = 0.7 BTC [+] {2}
FabianB: $traded
empyex: FabianB: Traded in last 24 hours: S.BBET S.MPOE X.EUR
adrrr: mpex.co need a good redesign ^^
kakobrekla: iirc black version existed?
FabianB: still does
assbot: MPEx, the Bitcoin securities exchange.
pankkake: uglier than I remember
kakobrekla: dunno why but the thing reminds me of http://gli.tc/h/2112/
assbot: GLI.TC/H 2112: DEC 6-9:CHICAGO ++
pankkake: well the white version looks much worse without my base firefox styles: https://i.imgur.com/uCtNgFa.png (except for graph integration)
kakobrekla: lots of fun css files in the dropdown
mike_c: ouch. black version needs to grey the background of the input box. much contrast.
kakobrekla: something like dat should be made for mpex
kakobrekla: for anyone that complains.
assbot: GLI.TC/H 2112: DEC 6-9:CHICAGO ++
fluffypony: yeah agreed jurov
fluffypony: that should be the default
FabianB: [√] empyex commands documented ( http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/irc_bots )
assbot: irc_bots [bitcoin assets wiki]
jurov: body { background: pink; font-family: "Comic Sans MS"; }
pankkake: $proxies
assbot: MPEx, the Bitcoin securities exchange.
pankkake: $mpexlag
empyex: pankkake: 145 milliseconds
pankkake: $unconfirmed
empyex: pankkake: 1794
pankkake: $avg
empyex: pankkake: 597.67
FabianB: jurov: mpex.coinbr.com down?
jurov: looks so
jurov: lol spot instances for $10/hr? someone gonna cry
pankkake: ;;buy 1 Firefly dinos @ 50 USD Get it shipped to you, reship it to France https://www.thinkgeek.com/product/156d/
assbot: ThinkGeek :: Firefly Inevitable Betrayal Dinosaurs with Sound
gribble: Error: 'dinos' is not a valid price input.
FabianB: jurov: for coinbr?
pankkake: ;;view 20769
gribble: #20769 Tue Jun 17 14:55:19 2014 pankkake BUY 1.0 Firefly dinos @ 50 USD (Get it shipped to you, reship it to France https://www.thinkgeek.com/product/156d/)
jurov: no,for the proxy... that's why it is down
FabianB: jurov: should i remove it from the list of proxies for now?
jurov: no, i'll relauch it elsewhere in a moment
assbot: Turkish media ban: Media in Turkey stopped from covering ISIS abductions.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16900 @ 0.00082518 = 13.9455 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: $depth MPOE
thestringpuller: $ticker MPOE
empyex: thestringpuller: Commands: '$avg' '$conference' '$depth' '$depth <mpsic>' '$email' '$help' '$moo' '$mpexlag' '$post <pastebin-url-with-signcrypted-mpex-command>' '$proxies' '$traded' '$unconfirmed' '$vwap' '$vwap <mpsic>'
empyex: thestringpuller: It's starting to sound like Wal-Mart in here.
mod6: did that one just replace pympex?
mod6: err mpexbot?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26000 @ 0.00082554 = 21.464 BTC [+] {2}
jurov: mod6 no, just supplements it
FabianB: mod6: mpexbot yes
mod6: ahh.
FabianB: thestringpuller: the mpsic is S.MPOE
FabianB: $depth s.mpoe
empyex: FabianB: [S.MPOE] Bids: 12750 @ 0.00082518 23135 @ 0.00082292 12291 @ 0.00082269 27100 @ 0.00081885
empyex: FabianB: [S.MPOE] Asks: 3185 @ 0.00082558 14052 @ 0.00082650 40100 @ 0.00082715 31438 @ 0.00082725
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42400 @ 0.00082356 = 34.9189 BTC [-] {3}
FabianB: hmm.. thinking if i should let empyex tell thestringpuller to get the mpsics right instead of letting it default to raw depth
pankkake: it should kick you everytime you make an error
FabianB: lol
FabianB: i guess that would be more assbot's style
jurov: it should do bait
[]bot: Bet created: "Petamine at over .08 per share before November" http://bitbet.us/bet/946/
[]bot: Bet created: "World Cup 2014: At least one red card issued during the final" http://bitbet.us/bet/947/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29977 @ 0.0008245 = 24.716 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 596.3, Best ask: 597.9, Bid-ask spread: 1.60000, Last trade: 595.85, 24 hour volume: 4787.75305818, 24 hour low: 580.0, 24 hour high: 602.0, 24 hour vwap: 592.934258693
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14052 @ 0.0008265 = 11.614 BTC [+]
atcbot: 35k@250 2k@240 16k@235 | 0k@180 0k@176 0k@172
[]bot: Bet created: "World Cup 2014: Brazil to win" http://bitbet.us/bet/948/
bitcoinpete: ;;later tell mircea_popescu thanks for the tips! i made a few amendments at those points.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: Gym Bags Full of Cash Is a Great Metaphor for Celebrity Tech Investing
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.20000004 = 1.2 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4078 @ 0.00082654 = 3.3706 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5900 @ 0.000827 = 4.8793 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2493 @ 0.00082654 = 2.0606 BTC [-]
benkay: !up gabriel_laddel
kakobrekla: gl benkay
kakobrekla: !up gabriel_laddel
kakobrekla: how many asseters does it take to up gabriel_laddel
benkay: what is even state
kakobrekla gets off the fail train
assbot: Why Are These Bears Having Oral Sex?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30050 @ 0.0008254 = 24.8033 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: o hey nice find
mircea_popescu: so only mammals that like fruits are cocksuckers ?
BingoBoingo: ;;tslb
gribble: Time since last block: 13 minutes and 47 seconds
mircea_popescu: lol all the mpex css modders!
mircea_popescu: jurov: it should do bait << it should do mp approved bait.
mircea_popescu: want a list of tumblrs ?
jurov: FabianB: ^
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.201 = 0.603 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: so i took fluffypony's advice and hired a coupla dozen fiverr kids. since pretty much the only thing they seem to be able to do that's useful is put up/distribute flyers on their campus, im having a coupla dozen do that
mircea_popescu: curious what exactly comes out of this
BingoBoingo: Nice, what campuses are these?
mircea_popescu: i dunno, mostly us
BingoBoingo: Ah, just wondering if I might stumble into any this week
BingoBoingo: %ticker
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 143 Ask: 235 Last Price: 150 24h-Vol: 3k High: 180 Low: 150 VWAP: 153
Naphex: "Andreas Antonopolous delivers a stunning presentation of crypto currency to a virtual room full of knowledge seeking students."
Naphex: who writes these titles o.o
atcbot: 35k@250 2k@240 16k@235 | 49k@143 175k@142 34k@140
jurov: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 605.98, Best ask: 607.49, Bid-ask spread: 1.51000, Last trade: 607.49, 24 hour volume: 6175.46701712, 24 hour low: 580.0, 24 hour high: 608.88, 24 hour vwap: 595.703307988
mircea_popescu: o look who's back
Naphex: i got back a while ago, but mostly just sitting and idling
jurov: !up dR3buttnix
mircea_popescu: makes two of us lol
Naphex: trying to lax a bit before getting multicurrency live
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i vaguely remember chicago something or the other.
BingoBoingo: I'm not headed that far north soon, but I'll keep a look out.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4100 @ 0.00082545 = 3.3843 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: i get up for one day into meatspace, and back - and now 'rentacoder' is back from the dead?! or what is that 'fiver' thing
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform rentabonger.
asciilifeform: ;;ud bonger
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bonger | Upload a picture of bonger. 2. bongers. greatest last name granted to a person. Usually resides in a man cave, playing madden. Very fun name to say. Ladies ...
TheNewDeal: bc,stats
mike_c: mircea_popescu: flyers promoting what?
mircea_popescu: mike_c i'd show you but i'm ashamed
mircea_popescu: it's a pdf
asciilifeform: shame or not, there still exists no universal replacement for pdf (unless you count postscript)
mike_c: ooh, now I'm the curious one.
mike_c: it's for your band isn't it?
mircea_popescu: ok ok here we go :
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you don't count post script, because you're dealing with random college kids.
mike_c: hm, that is interesting. seems like it will be difficult to measure the effect.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: your students hablan inglés ?
TheNewDeal: los estudiantes
mircea_popescu: mike_c buy some kids a beer. what effect do you expect ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform which you mean ?
asciilifeform: the locals
mircea_popescu: it's fiverr not cinqueeee
asciilifeform: (presumably meatspace flyer ?)
mike_c: well, effects would be: 1) do they do the work (maybe they have to send you a pic?) 2) does anyone read it
mike_c: i spend too much time trying to figure out which 50% of advertising works.
mthreat: pearl necklaces hah
mircea_popescu: mike_c in general i find us kids can be more or less trusted to go through the motions / respect the formal parts of the spec
TheNewDeal: Bitcoins foremost educational resource
TheNewDeal: love it
mircea_popescu: they don't usually do anything useful, but it's never for lack of pretending like they tried.
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal i had something similar in romanian a few years ago
mircea_popescu: it drove people NUTS
TheNewDeal: hahaha
mircea_popescu: they'd have like beer parties dedicated to discussing just how fucking just not done such deeds are.
TheNewDeal: like Nikola Tesla nuts or Timothy McVeigh nuts?
mircea_popescu: like angry german kid nuts
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.2 = 0.6 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: or w/e, reddit nuts
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 603.31, Best ask: 606.71, Bid-ask spread: 3.40000, Last trade: 604.58, 24 hour volume: 6255.76911036, 24 hour low: 580.0, 24 hour high: 608.88, 24 hour vwap: 595.9930859
BingoBoingo: !jd mpif
assbot: Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 170.86463072 BTC; -0.23519938 BTC (-0.1375%) since last check 1d 2h 59m 48s ago.
BingoBoingo: Needs moar klye
mircea_popescu: totally.
Mats_cd03: i can't tell if you're trying to bait college feminists into marketing trilema
Mats_cd03: or just being yourself.
TheNewDeal: what if he is accomplishing both at the same time
TheNewDeal: insert Neo meme
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7450 @ 0.00082407 = 6.1393 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24300 @ 0.00082407 = 20.0249 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 right ?
assbot: Pisicute pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
moiety_: mircea_popescu: they are so tiny! so cute, but they need some biscuits
moiety_: are they yours?
moiety_: googles not translating well for me D;
moiety_: perhaps mine are just fat cats
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.06700542 = 0.7371 BTC [+] {2}
moiety: ffs freenode
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27366 @ 0.00082545 = 22.5893 BTC [+]
Mats_cd03: for future reference, the no poo pills i was referring to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loperamide
assbot: Loperamide - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
asciilifeform: Mats_cd03: interesting case of the kind of thinking that gave us, e.g. DXM
Mats_cd03: i may have used it a few times to punish a thief in the office
asciilifeform: Mats_cd03: 'let's take a drug that's been known for 5,000 years, but is too much fun; nip at the structure a bit until we have a - anti-diarrheal, cough suppressant, etc. that's almost as good as opium.'
Mats_cd03: thats p much how rx research works no?
Mats_cd03: brute force all of the things. see what works, rinse, repeat.
asciilifeform: Mats_cd03: not necessarily - where in nature do you find, e.g. ssri
asciilifeform: talking about the goal, vs. the process
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: SSRI came from... Benadryl!
asciilifeform: dxm, loperamide, etc. solve what might be called 'fiat problems'
Mats_cd03: after 1 no pill a day for 4 days during a field exercise, i was literally full of shit
Mats_cd03: i used a scale...my poop was 4.6 pounds
asciilifeform: in both examples, ordinary opium is the champ
asciilifeform: interestingly, sometimes the pharma folks fail: they spent some years trying to cough up a dopamine reuptake inhibitor that doesn't reduce to a synthetic cocaine, and, afaik, gave up
asciilifeform: 1) pick a problem 2) ban solution 3) ??? 4) profit!
asciilifeform: this is why the 'optimize for patentability' process is an inevitable crock of shit. when the scamz0rs can't enclose the commons - they torch them.
moiety: is it just me or does the trilema header change more frequently these days?
mike_c: the latter.
mike_c: Mats_cd03: hopefully you weighed yourself before and after and didn't pile your shit on some poor scale.
moiety: thanks mike_c
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9341 @ 0.00082545 = 7.7105 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4159 @ 0.00082669 = 3.4382 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: They founf a dopamine and norepinephrine reuptake inhibitor in Bupropion. Note the substitution that was made... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bupropion
assbot: Bupropion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: so weak as to be almost useless.
BingoBoingo: (The interesting part is the picture... check the ring)
asciilifeform: which is the way usg likes it.
Mats_cd03: mike_c: har har
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Not useless, just... dangerous in actually useful amounts.
asciilifeform: ~= useless.
moiety: i get the kitten post now. good work mircea_popescu lol you need to source some ar ones.
asciilifeform: btc folks who expect to 'can have problems' from daring to demonetize the dollar should contemplate gedankenexperiment - what'd happen to a nation that 'demonetizes'... cocaine. (that is, establishes dirt-cheap production & distribution.) if your starfish doesn't quiver at the thought of the 'problems you can have' then...
moiety: bupropion is given rarely here as an antidepressant but more as an anti smoking thing, as its not licensed in the same was as in the us
moiety: way*
asciilifeform: learn how alchemists were treated back when influential folks thought that alchemy might work
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the basic idea behind the 'antidepressant' market is at least as mistaken as the phlogiston theory. so what kind of result can be expected.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Of course, well at least it has been since MOAIs fell to the wayside.
BingoBoingo: ;;google new nardil sucks
gribble: Old Nardil Vs. New Nardil - Emsam and other MAOIs - Crazy Talk ...: <http://www.crazymeds.us/CrazyTalk/index.php/topic/5897-old-nardil-vs-new-nardil/>; Nardil and Dry Mouth - Depression: <http://depression.emedtv.com/nardil/nardil-and-dry-mouth.html>; Drug Ratings for NARDIL - Ask a Patient: (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: Seems drugs can have problems too
BingoBoingo: moiety: Here Bupropion is used frequently when people discover aspects of the SSRI side effect profile.
asciilifeform: e.g. impotence
BingoBoingo: impotence, inability to orgasm,... the full set is rather large
asciilifeform: the basic formula of antidepressant market: 1) http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2014#722631 2) side effects are a gift from the gods: 10 side effects - 10 kinds of pill you can now sell.
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
asciilifeform: i've met folks taking 5+ psych meds, mostly against... each other
mircea_popescu: moiety those were babies
BingoBoingo: It's usually how things work
asciilifeform notes similarity to the software 'industry'
moiety: i had a patient that was on so many conflicting medications his liver was shutting down. every time i saw him, he was thinner and felt worse and they just wouldn't do anything. i'm worried what happened to him since i left
BingoBoingo: The only significant problem with MAOIs was they prevented selling the patient other drugs... at least drugs that aren't amphetamines
mircea_popescu: <mike_c> Mats_cd03: hopefully you weighed yourself before and after and didn't pile your shit on some poor scale. << freezer bags ftw
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform << i don't see it. columbia.
Mats_cd03: dafuq am i going to do with freezer bags
asciilifeform: columbia << not a military giant who can make the 'demonetization' stick globally.
asciilifeform: a la brits/opium/19th-c.
moiety: they have started bowel screening here for the 50+. you get cardboard sticks and instructions to shit on your bagged hand and smear it on a chart with said sticks, which you do over the course of X days and send it off to the GP
moiety: poor postmen
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well now that all depends.
mircea_popescu: you can buy cocaine can't you ?
asciilifeform: cocaine demonetization is, of course, gedankenexperiment. nobody interesting is particularly well-positioned to benefit from it, and so it won't happen - just as cardboard full-height replica of eiffel's tower won't happen.
moiety: Mats_cd03: use it like a mit lol
mircea_popescu: fun fact : psychiatrists with child practices occasionally get to see cases of prepubescent kids that anally masturbate with their shit and end up with serious constipation issues
mircea_popescu: apparently it's a thing
mircea_popescu: (documented for centuries etc)
asciilifeform: herr doktor freud
Mats_cd03: for fucks sake
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 welcome to -assets, where you broaden
mircea_popescu: your horizonts.
asciilifeform: (coke is no more difficult to churn out by the gigaton than, e.g. progesterone. do you see it at local pharmacist for a penny a dose? didn't think so. because it is a kind of chemical / international fiat currency. with all of the features that come with such.)
mircea_popescu: notrly. sugar is a better comparison
mircea_popescu: coke is an agro product. and for that matter, quite similar to sugar
mircea_popescu: so your gedanken experiment could well be carried out in a world where coke is the currency and sugar is illegal.
assbot: Vintage Commercials | Imperial Sugar
asciilifeform: could easily become the same kind of 'agro product' as... insulin.
asciilifeform: (bacterium is energetically-cheaper than plowing fields)
mircea_popescu: i wonder.
mircea_popescu: if this were true coke market in the us would be like meth market
mircea_popescu: it's not.
asciilifeform: genetically diddling e-coli is tricky.
TheNewDeal: wait are we talking about Coke or coke
TheNewDeal: I was going to say, Coke is verrry similar to sugar
TheNewDeal: still won't see it for 1 cent at your local whatnot
mircea_popescu: actually coke is very similar to fructose
asciilifeform: coke market in the us would be like meth market << nope. bioreactor (aside from somebody having to jump the hurdle and produce the transgenic critter in the first place) is a considerably more cerebral undertaking than grignard reaction in a garage.
TheNewDeal: fructose is sugar
TheNewDeal: subset
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you say this on the basis of what.
asciilifeform: a world where coke is the currency and sugar is illegal... an agro product << point of the second (e. coli) gedankenexperiment isn't that the planet needs a gigaton of coke (perhaps it does, but i digress) but would be to profit maximally off the 'demonetization.'
mircea_popescu: people microbrew, god love them.
asciilifeform: which 'this' ?
mircea_popescu: "is a considerably more cerebral"
asciilifeform was involved in a (failed) project to churn out butyrylcholinesterase via transgenics.
mircea_popescu: ya but i mean...
mircea_popescu: before every hick set his garage on fire trying to make meth
mircea_popescu: people thought organic synthesis is a cerebral endeavour
mircea_popescu: now they have a reality show abvout it
asciilifeform: it is again - when the one-step precursors are unavailable
asciilifeform: (the hicks don't start with a bag of carbon, a bottle of water...)
TheNewDeal: or you just have to know people that steal a gigaton of the precursor?
asciilifeform: in this scenario, the 'cerebral' work was done for you - by the folks who built the plant which churns out pseudoephedrine by the gigaton
mircea_popescu: "Current meds: lamotrigine 300mg, topiramate 325mg, buspirone 60mg, protriptyline 60mg, EPA 600mg, methylphenidate 5-10mg, lorazepam 1mg PRN
mircea_popescu: Past meds (likely incomplete): Abilify, clonazepam, desipramine, diazepam, Gabitril, lithium, Neurontin, Paxil, prochlorperazine, Provigil, Prozac, Risperdal, Seroquel, Serzone, Strattera, Trileptal, Zyprexa"
mircea_popescu: poor livers.
asciilifeform: poor cns.
TheNewDeal: who has this list?
mircea_popescu: what cns ?
TheNewDeal: central nervous system
asciilifeform: central nervous
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i know dude. the idea is there's no such thing in there
asciilifeform: if before dr. mengele got to him - there was - certainly not after.
TheNewDeal: I like this guy alreadh
asciilifeform: (likely that, in the future, folks will view today's medical profession in much the same light we see herr mengele)
TheNewDeal: many currently do
mircea_popescu: medical profession maybe not, but the "mental health" "professionals" definitely.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11700 @ 0.00082498 = 9.6523 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: by and large, they 'are only following orders' - as described by, e.g. TLP. but still.
asciilifeform: ;;google the last psychiatrist
gribble: The Last Psychiatrist: <http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/>; The Last Psychiatrist Archives: <http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/archives.html>; The Last Psychiatrist: Who Bullies The Bullies?: <http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2014/05/cyberbll.html>
TheNewDeal: gribble quit it with the ">;" crap
nubbins`: can't leave a dangling <
BingoBoingo: http://crazy-meds1.blogspot.com << this guy << His pre-CNS collapse occupation if you read deep enough, Big Iron Programmer.
assbot: Batshit Crazy & Medicated for your Protection
nubbins`: makes sense
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform people hung for just following orders at nurnberg
mircea_popescu: one day people will hang for just following orders in what once was washington, dc, too.
nubbins`: more for following the wrong ones
mircea_popescu: exactly.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo that's right.
nubbins`: which is why one should avoid being placed in situations where one can be easily ordered
mircea_popescu: just like turing.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` naive copout that. you're always ordered.
mircea_popescu: the only solution is to pick a good sovereign and stick to it.
nubbins`: or rather, where the enforcing of said ordering is a common occurrence
asciilifeform: 'you commit atrocities with the sovereign you have, not the sovereign you wish you had.' (apologies to mr bush)
nubbins`: unfortunately, picking a good sovereign likely requires you to pass through the hands of the worst sovereign of them all (int'l border control)
asciilifeform: good sovereign << a cryptozoological animal
mircea_popescu: ;;google "is a source of immense satisfaction to me"
gribble: Use immense in a sentence | immense sentence examples: <http://sentence.yourdictionary.com/immense>; It gives me immense pleasure to inform all the members and ...: <http://www.b-u.ac.in/bu-icai/syllabus.pdf>; Immense | Define Immense at Dictionary.com: <http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/immense>
mircea_popescu: check it out, google has managed to erase history. the only winner of nurenberg doesn't exist in the brave new world.
Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, are you ordered too ?
mircea_popescu: no, i'm an asshole.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> good sovereign << a cryptozoological animal << this reduces to saying there's nothing to live for.
asciilifeform: some of us live for the unicorn hunt.
nubbins`: the meat is so tasty
asciilifeform: even should it be necessary to genetically diddle goats to obtain said beast
nubbins`: i've seen one of those in person
nubbins`: in uh
nubbins`: in mammal
nubbins` shrugs uncomfortably
nubbins`: meanwhile, in vancouver: http://i.imgur.com/qKcGpzi.jpg
TheNewDeal: hahaha
asciilifeform: can't dig it up in nature? build. unless we have hands solely to jack off with.
TheNewDeal: most definitely the latter
asciilifeform: dovetails nicely with the discussion of recombinant cocain-excreting e.coli.
mircea_popescu: lol such dude
TheNewDeal: gimme somma dat
assbot: Rolf Steiner: Cow gets stuck on roof near Swiss Alps | Metro News
moiety: this cow needs some time in the park
nubbins`: cow chilling park
assbot: Brazilian man slaps an opossum, gets a handful of 400 porcupine quills | Metro News
asciilifeform: philosophy of building with own hands >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ji4t6QQn8KM << english translation in 'show more' tab
assbot: - /You are a Man ( ) - YouTube
moiety: oh nubbins`, i watched quite a few films when i was internetless. This is really good: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1242460/ (also shutter island and inception but i think i'm the only one in the world who hadn't seen those yet)
assbot: We Need to Talk About Kevin (2011) - IMDb
moiety: how on earth did that man get the two confused
[]bot: Bet created: "Suarez to stay at Liverpool" http://bitbet.us/bet/949/
TheNewDeal: and inception returns to mediocrity after you watch it a couple more times
TheNewDeal: was great the first time, good the second, ...
moiety: i don't understand how anyone could have found it confusing
TheNewDeal: most people are... stupid?
moiety: fair point
TheNewDeal: or lack attention spans that last 120+ minutes
TheNewDeal: some combination
moiety: most people don't watch memento the full way through or complain it doesn't make sense either
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell organofcorti nice site btw
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: http://organofcorti.blogspot.com << he's like the mike_c of mining
assbot: Neighbourhood Pool Watch
BingoBoingo: And he's been doing it for quite a while
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo kinda how one gets good yeah
TheNewDeal: moiety momento was quality
moiety: i thought so too TheNewDeal
[]bot: Bet created: "A pool will have at least 51% of the Bitcoin network" http://bitbet.us/bet/950/
assbot: Decades Later, Someone's Discovered a New Super Mario Bros. Glitch
TheNewDeal: so does that 51% have to occur over a week time period?
TheNewDeal: faack gotta go to sleep
[]bot: Bet created: "Silk Road Coin Auction Extravaganza" http://bitbet.us/bet/951/
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla o look at that, 179:144
kakobrekla: you will never reach my registration date!
mircea_popescu: I WAS BUSY THAT MAY DAMNIT
mircea_popescu: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 306422 | Current Difficulty: 1.1756551916903952E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 306431 | Next Difficulty In: 9 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 hour, 11 minutes, and 36 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 13448095222.7 | Estimated Percent Change: 14.38809
mircea_popescu: sooo 14 seems certain huh.
assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin difficulty to fall in 2014 :: 1.3 B (62%) on Yes, 0.81 B (38%) on No | closing in 6 months 1 day| weight: 91`228 (100`000 to 1)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.21959695 = 1.5372 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: yeah i guess.
assbot: Did LA Kings fans take out LAPD drone during Stanley Cup party? | Puck Daddy - Yahoo Sports
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5775 @ 0.00082669 = 4.7741 BTC [+]
mike_c: hmph. well, maybe 14 is for sure :)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 15000 @ 0.0000985 = 1.4775 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: knc kinda delivers don't they
BingoBoingo: Often broken and shitty product, but yeah
asciilifeform: miner... delivers << still seems analogous to... if toilet paper were always shipped lightly-used.
cazalla: knc bet might just get there heh
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8885 @ 0.00082679 = 7.346 BTC [+] {2}
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asciilifeform: benkay: related: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ja9OGmaGwoo << translation: 'who is stronger? elephant, or whale?'
assbot: - YouTube
trinque: benkay: that makes me think govt control of BTC is hard to avoid
Mats_cd03: 21:29 <•TheNewDeal> gribble quit it with the ">;" crap << your client sucks, mine parses it correctly
Mats_cd03: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 306432 | Current Difficulty: 1.346258011452534E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 308447 | Next Difficulty In: 2015 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 21 hours, 24 minutes, and 19 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 53850340580.2 | Estimated Percent Change: 300.00015
Mats_cd03: lol?
Mats_cd03: ;;math 1.3462^1.04
gribble: Error: The "Math" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "1.3462^1.04" in it. Try "list Math" to see the commands in the "Math" plugin.
Mats_cd03: ;;math 1.3462**1.04
gribble: Error: The "Math" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "1.3462**1.04" in it. Try "list Math" to see the commands in the "Math" plugin.
Mats_cd03: fuck you
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4664 @ 0.00082725 = 3.8583 BTC [+]
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