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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.03256997 = 0.1954 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.03299999 = 0.198 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 20 @ 0.03349935 = 0.67 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 55 @ 0.0065999 = 0.363 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.03349868 = 0.335 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 99 @ 0.00289999 = 0.2871 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.4751101 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00084536 = 5.6639 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1450 @ 0.00084677 = 1.2278 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00084684 = 5.7585 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2821 @ 0.00084444 = 2.3822 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11618 @ 0.0008481 = 9.8532 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07699999 = 0.385 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.06474168 = 0.1295 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13400 @ 0.00084306 = 11.297 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7450 @ 0.00084189 = 6.2721 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3050 @ 0.00084319 = 2.5717 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7415 @ 0.00084169 = 6.2411 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.0065999 = 0.33 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3041 @ 0.00084169 = 2.5596 BTC [-]
Naphex: morning:D
fluffypony: morning Naphex
Naphex: morn fluff
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1293 @ 0.00084319 = 1.0902 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 37 @ 0.0044013 = 0.1628 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3258 @ 0.0008429 = 2.7462 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5651 @ 0.0008413 = 4.7542 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14350 @ 0.00084054 = 12.0617 BTC [-] {3}
ozbot: PRISMICIDE - OPEN SECURITY PLATFORM
Naphex: a very nice addition
Naphex: smart cards pretty much naturally integrate with bitcoin
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.46734 = 1.402 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.4655 = 0.931 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3764 @ 0.00083948 = 3.1598 BTC [-]
danielpbarron: i recently got one of the openPGP smart cards
danielpbarron: i didn't realize it has a random number generator built in; I find it hard to believe it's cryptographically secure
Naphex: it is pretty much
danielpbarron: considering the amount of work going into cardano
Naphex: i have been working a lot with smart cards/desfire3
Naphex: desfire3 / rfid cards are a bit more secure imho, but there you go
Naphex: still wouldn't store 10000000 bitcoins on it, but its pretty safe and secure for the regulars
Naphex: and deffinetly a step up
danielpbarron: who are "the regulars?"
Naphex: normal people, who want to use bitcoin
danielpbarron: do you mean the individuals who should just stay in FIAT?
Naphex: i mean whoever use bitcoin for normal purchases, and would want a 'secure' hot wallet
Naphex: or bitcoin atm users
danielpbarron: what is a "normal purchase?"
Naphex: google play gift cards
Naphex: :)
danielpbarron: !up bawse
assbot: Voicing bawse for 30 minutes.
bawse: Thats nice of you, I really wish you the best and was touched when you accepted my apology.
danielpbarron: is hash-selling still a scam, or did someone figure out a way to make that a legit business?
Naphex: anyway regarding smart cards and rng, for bitcoin is not that much worry-some cause you can just store your private key on it and use that to sign the transactions
random_cat_: anyone know the software (i think meteor based) developed at MIT (i think, maybe at cambridge) which allows for data protection against a hostile server operator?
Naphex: so you can use whatever rng and store/transmit it securely
danielpbarron: Naphex: how are you generating the private key?
Naphex: danielpbarron: if i'm bored i'd roll the dice and upload it on the card using a clean linux/busybox boot ;]
danielpbarron: i assumed that a built-in RNG on the card meant that the key was generated on the card
Naphex: on an offline computer, in a lead room
Naphex: danielpbarron: nah the card can sign the transactions
Naphex: you can if you want use the rng to generate a priv key, but you can just as well upload one
danielpbarron: then how is that secure?
danielpbarron: if the infected computer can just write to the card
random_cat_: my google foo is failing me
Naphex: danielpbarron: you realize you can lock the card down in lots of ways after
danielpbarron: i don't know very much about smart cards
Naphex: if you want you can do SmartOS auth before writeing a key, or just burn it down to read only
Naphex: so it can never be written again
Naphex: the point is, you can get the smart card to just sign transactions
Naphex: removing you and your pc from your private key
danielpbarron: i get that part
Naphex: thats it
danielpbarron: don't you also need cryptographically secure RNG to do the signing?
jurov: !up PsychoticBoy
assbot: Insufficient rights, jurov, !up yourself on PM first.
jurov: !up PsychoticBoy
assbot: Voicing PsychoticBoy for 30 minutes.
Naphex: danielpbarron: not for signing
Naphex: only for generating keys
bawse: hash selling is legit
dub: drugs r bad mkay
bawse: for people who do not have btc and want cloud mining
bawse: ie, the newbies
dub: you just invent the PMB
bawse: !up dignork
assbot: Insufficient rights, bawse, !up yourself on PM first.
mircea_popescu: !up dignork
assbot: Voicing dignork for 30 minutes.
dub: big !up yoself
bawse: dub what is pmb
mircea_popescu: o lordy.
ozbot: The problem with PMBs, ie “Perpetual Mining Bonds” pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: wrong link dub :D
dub: mine tells the same tale
jurov: ;;gettrust assbot PsychoticBoy
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask PsychoticBoy!sid27029@pdpc/supporter/active/psychoticboy. Trust relationship from user assbot to user PsychoticBoy: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=PsychoticBoy | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=PsychoticBoy | Rated since: Tue May 1 14:39:15 2012
mircea_popescu: either that or ends up with some guy investing :D
jurov: ;;rate PsychoticBoy 1 one of the first coinbr users
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user PsychoticBoy has been recorded.
bawse: im only selling hashing power through cex in the hopes of selling 1gh for the price of 2, hoping the person signs up under my link so i can make 3% of what he buys in the future. and also initially buy 1gh with the extra $3.31 i charged. Plus PMB's are tales of people who do not know how to cash out BTC at $165 more than they are worth like I do.
mircea_popescu: so you're special.
bawse: no
bawse: im just saying if my 1583gh cointerra only makes 32 or .09 in this market, i can make $60 with .09
bawse: so im ok with this. others are not ok.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8800 @ 0.00084412 = 7.4283 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: myeah. since 2012, the exact sort of nonsense has been field by the exact sort of people involved in pmbs.
Naphex: danielpbarron: to clarify, when you do ECDSA signatures you do need 1 random integer (required to be different) called K, but even in most bitcoin implementation it is generated deterministcally d
bawse: im not involved in pmbs
mircea_popescu: i imagine sooner or later you'll figure things out.
bawse: hopefully sooner
mircea_popescu: ;;later peterl i disagree btw. while i'm pretty sure quantum computing is the exact equivalent of perpetuum mobile, only we don't have the three rules of quantum compudynamics yet, cold fusion may or may not be in the same situation. maybe we discover something about lasers that makes containment work, who knows.
gribble: Error: The "Later" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "peterl" in it. Try "list Later" to see the commands in the "Later" plugin.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell peterl i disagree btw. while i'm pretty sure quantum computing is the exact equivalent of perpetuum mobile, only we don't have the three rules of quantum compudynamics yet, cold fusion may or may not be in the same situation. maybe we discover something about lasers that makes containment work, who knows.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
random_cat_: perhaps someone here is interested in http://eprint.iacr.org/2014/257.pdf
mircea_popescu: i wish i recalled the url of fluffypony's pdf crusher
mircea_popescu: Bruce Kallick Curmudgeon Associates << yay
mircea_popescu: televisions are more than 100% cheaper nao, don't you know.
Naphex: thats nice cause i broke mine a week ago:(
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07797899 = 0.156 BTC [+] {2}
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: it's not ready for prime timez yet
fluffypony: manually crunched
mircea_popescu: check that shit out
ozbot: Microsoft Challenges U.S. Search... - Live And Invest Overseas News
mircea_popescu: magistrate judges. they aren't judges in any sense, but they think they may opine on matters.
mircea_popescu: also in the news, what men are and how they work : https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bm0Rwc9CcAEsUfy.jpg:large
mircea_popescu: !up tank100
assbot: Voicing tank100 for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: !up wywialm
assbot: Voicing wywialm for 30 minutes.
wywialm: hello
HeySteve2: morning
wywialm: just authenticated
HeySteve2: Shackleton's original ad? epic
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 455357.13 Est. Next Diff: 140875.36 in 1608 blocks (#32256) Est. % Change: -69.06
mircea_popescu: HeySteve2 aye.
mircea_popescu: wywialm hey. you know how to up yourself yet ?
atcbot: [ATC Mined] Current: 15691264 Total ATC (to be mined): 268435456 % Mined of Total: 5.85
wywialm: ofc, i just had to authenticate
atcbot: [ATC Last Block] Height: 30648 Time: 2014-05-05T08:30:22Z Vout Sum: 512 Number TXs: 1 Difficulty: 455357.12903751 Hash: 00000000000005602eb8602ae9b1dd97624573f1a7d520feb684a95219cd4da1 Fee: 0.00000000 Size: 204 Days Destroyed: 0 Confirmations: 1
mircea_popescu: a ok just makin sure.
wywialm: thx anyway for up :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1750 @ 0.00084239 = 1.4742 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 619 @ 0.00083986 = 0.5199 BTC [-]
random_cat_: are there any search engines that work any more? :|
Naphex: mircea_popescu: regarding DNS2address resolve for bitcoin, i am setting up an updated example that includes support for BIP32 xpub keys for address derivation
mircea_popescu: document it.
Naphex: very usefull, especially for payments processing and account resolve
Naphex: you could encode pub key to specifiy user_id on a deposit system
Naphex: then it can just derive xN payments for that specific user while reusing addresses each time
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07553694 = 0.7554 BTC [-]
Naphex: tree would be MasterWallet/User_ID/Payment_ID
Naphex: listener can just scan xpubs, while only remembering last payment id
Naphex: could throw that all in cold wallets and just do realtime processing
Naphex: i will prolly document it after i have a full working example, prolly with some client front end to demo it
mircea_popescu: it sounds great but you want to have it looked at by multiple pairs of eyes.
Naphex: ofcourse
Naphex: just ironing it out
wywialm: mircea_popescu, is the rating of 10 appropriate to reflect the fact that I operate numerisTrade account? Or should I set the rating to 1 not to prop up "total trust" (I'm aware that total trust should not be taken into account heavily, but still..)
mircea_popescu: wywialm i'd say its adequate
mircea_popescu: !up pactr
assbot: Voicing pactr for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: ;;rated nanotube
gribble: You rated user nanotube on Wed Aug 3 15:08:50 2011, with a rating of 10, and supplied these additional notes: owner of otc and all around reasonable guy.
mircea_popescu: that's a for instance. i know enough about the guy to tell you that if you're using the wot you're implicitly trusting him.
wywialm: i'm asking cause I was just accused in the -otc of shilling
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6850 @ 0.00083986 = 5.753 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: you're in a similar situation with your own thing
mircea_popescu: ya well what do they know.
wywialm: thanks anyway
mircea_popescu: anyway they should chillax, plenty of people have a ton of meaningless -10s
mircea_popescu: ;;getrating [\\\]
gribble: Error: "\\\" is not a valid command.
ozbot: Rating Details for User 'anduck'
fluffypony: wywialm: don't get fussed over -otc, they throw tantrums about how to rate every few days lately
wywialm: I see what you mean :)
fluffypony: even after having things pointed out they like to argue minutiae and wording on the wiki
mircea_popescu: there's htis wiki mentality thing
mircea_popescu: i mean people usually derp about how bad trolls are on the internet
mircea_popescu: trolls ain't bad. wikiheads are much much worse.
fluffypony: !up wywialm
assbot: Insufficient rights, fluffypony, !up yourself on PM first.
assbot: Need a nickname, fluffypony.
mircea_popescu: !down fluffypony
fluffypony: weird
fluffypony: !up wywialm
assbot: Voicing wywialm without time-limit.
mircea_popescu: o hey let's try that other thing btw.
mircea_popescu: !up mircea_popescu
assbot: Really, mircea_popescu?
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: I'm keen, give me details
mircea_popescu: it used to be that if you uped yourself for 30 mins, anyone could down you and it stuck. then kako broke it.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves money laundering is the only conceivable explanation.
mircea_popescu: artifexd is one a penguin and the other a flashing gif ?
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron: considering the amount of work going into cardano << secure is a relative, not an absolute term.
artifexd: At the time they were both keyrings. Right now, http://pool.sks-keyservers.net/ looks like it hasn't been configured.
mircea_popescu: artifexd i mean the favicon strictly.
artifexd: In which case, no. I have something that looks like a stylized R.
artifexd: On both.
mircea_popescu: what the glowing fuck.
artifexd: They both look vastly different than earlier.
mircea_popescu: there is some skulldruggery going on here. 1 sec i show you.
artifexd: Seriously. I'm getting "This is the default web page for this server." on the port 80 url.
fluffypony: me too
fluffypony: port 11371 works
fluffypony: but that's changed in the past hour
artifexd: Yeah. No css at all anymore.
fluffypony: css here
fluffypony: it looked like that standard key server interface earlier, now it has css
punkman: I'm getting metalgamer.eu on http://pool.sks-keyservers.net/
artifexd: I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that something is screwy.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15750 @ 0.00084169 = 13.2566 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.03152036 = 0.2837 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: so. the plain domain has a penguin. the :11371 however has a changing icon
fluffypony: page not found on the first
mircea_popescu: 404 nginx
fluffypony: key icon on the second
Apocalyptic: so no trilema article regarding that convo with bitcoingirl I guess
punkman: wtf is metalgamer.eu
mircea_popescu: this is some fucking dns absurdity in here
mircea_popescu: is the keyserver being discreetely attacked ?
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic nah.
artifexd: I get the R. But when I paste the url to imgur, it shows a key.
fluffypony: maybe they're just reinstalling
mircea_popescu: fluffypony no cause same bs happened last night too
mircea_popescu: there ios some possibility someone is using the favicon to track people visiting the server
fluffypony: it has like 10 A records
fluffypony: so DNS round robin
fluffypony: and some of the servers are broken
artifexd: It is resolving to 82.15.145.10 for me.
artifexd: Which is not on that list.
mircea_popescu: yields etfv's OWN favicon
mircea_popescu: (and so does google's service yield google's favicon)
random_cat_: finally found it: Mylar from MIT
random_cat_: yay for browser history
fluffypony: definitely DNS round robin borking
mircea_popescu: so this is beyond suspicious.
Apocalyptic: punkman, seems legit
bounce: all zat fanzy vheb teknologie
mircea_popescu: anyone got fiskerstrand on a list ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 89 @ 0.00120125 = 0.1069 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: i see 37.44.179.12 ftr.
mircea_popescu: (also not on the list)
random_cat_: have you tried some looking glass sites?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4150 @ 0.00084453 = 3.5048 BTC [+]
ozbot: Shrimper who caught rare goblin shark: "Man, he's ugly" - CNN.com
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.03310666 = 0.1986 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 39 @ 0.03257564 = 1.2704 BTC [-] {10}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8900 @ 0.00084453 = 7.5163 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3600 @ 0.00084447 = 3.0401 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1250 @ 0.00084305 = 1.0538 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.00083986 = 4.7032 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2650 @ 0.00083986 = 2.2256 BTC [-]
fluffypony: speaking of DNS
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3121 @ 0.00014072 = 0.4392 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14465 @ 0.00084242 = 12.1856 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11154 @ 0.00084628 = 9.4394 BTC [+] {3}
random_cat_: mircea_popescu didn't get the memo :D
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.03317899 = 0.2323 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3481 @ 0.00084745 = 2.95 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 52 @ 0.00610025 = 0.3172 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4981 @ 0.00084355 = 4.2017 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 738 @ 0.00083948 = 0.6195 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.07797989 = 0.4679 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.03226167 = 0.2581 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00083948 = 7.8911 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 225 @ 0.00601001 = 1.3523 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.06474168 = 0.1295 BTC [-]
jurov: i just got informed that neisseria meningitis was found in my throat, now im reading wikipedia:
jurov: Though it initially produces general symptoms like fatigue, it can rapidly progress from fever, headache and neck stiffness to coma and death.
jurov: Death occurs in approximately 10% of cases.
jurov: *breathes heavily*
jurov: and to think i had sore throad on and off for months
jurov: *throat
fluffypony: coma and death?
fluffypony: that's crazy
fluffypony: is it easy to treat?
jurov: got atb
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6900 @ 0.0008491 = 5.8588 BTC [+] {2}
jurov: and that's like fourth time i got completely improbable bacteria diagnosed, including some special superbacteria from iraq
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07797989 = 0.2339 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: I guess the japanese horror movies were right, baby blood does make you younger http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/05/science/young-blood-may-hold-key-to-reversing-aging.html?_r=1
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 35 @ 0.07798863 = 2.7296 BTC [+] {4}
davout: ThickAsThieves: wonder how that will be implemented tho
davout: EUR IOUs are basically e-money, so it's either
davout: they let anyone hold them
davout: or they let only known customers hold them
davout: former case they're ripe for ML abuse and whatnot
davout: latter case there's not much point
Apocalyptic: ripple lobby has achieved a feat here
davout: it's interesting that they do that since ripple will then be a direct competitor to both kraken and bitcoin.de
Apocalyptic: yeah davout
Apocalyptic: totally consistent business outlook
davout: (and to bitcoin-central as well obv. but they have no stake in it, so that's not really the same)
ThickAsThieves: <+davout> or they let only known customers hold them //// itll be this
Apocalyptic: maybe they don't want to have all the egs in the same basket
davout: mebbe
ThickAsThieves: i dont like it nonetheless
ThickAsThieves: bitcoin works for the same purposes and it isn't owned by a company
davout: ThickAsThieves: i don't really see anything wrong with ripple as long as you take it for what it actually is : a mechanism to transmit debt, for which you have to buy stamps from a single company
davout: ThickAsThieves: bitcoin doesn't work for the "same purposes", bitcoin is about cash, ripple is about debt
ThickAsThieves: well in the case of their own stated purpose, the difference is semantic, no?
ThickAsThieves: they wanna use it to send money fast all over the place
davout: well, for certain values of money it works, for the ones we're interested in it's irrelevant
davout: it's just in the continuation of debt money, it's not really a competitor to bitcoin in any way
ThickAsThieves: “Ripple enables us to securely and instantly send money anywhere in the world at no additional cost and through the same customer facing products and relationships we offer today.”
Apocalyptic: <davout> it's just in the continuation of debt money, it's not really a competitor to bitcoin in any way << this
ThickAsThieves: no additional cost?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.07799076 = 1.1699 BTC [+] {2}
davout: it's the "anywhere in the world" part that's misleading, that's not actually true, the cash EUR never leaves fidor
ThickAsThieves: i'm not stating it as a competitor to bitcoin, so much as the reverse
Apocalyptic: <ThickAsThieves> bitcoin works for the same purposes and it isn't owned by a company
Apocalyptic: you stated it right there
ThickAsThieves: anyway, ripple is lam
Apocalyptic: that we can agree on
ThickAsThieves: i guess i just missed where we disagreed
pankkake: well, ripple's altcoin, XRP, is arguably cash
pankkake: except it's closer to Bernankoin's cash than to Bitcoin's cash
Apocalyptic: pankkake, the thing is XRP is bound to be depleted
pankkake: you can also create other altcoins in ripple
Apocalyptic: and then the rest of tx will be realised through debt transmission
Apocalyptic: ThickAsThieves, <ThickAsThieves> bitcoin works for the same purpose // I argue the purpose is clearly different
Apocalyptic: it may look like they want to achieve the same things, but they don't
ThickAsThieves: you misinterpret 'purpose'
ThickAsThieves: i meant the tool can be used the same way
ThickAsThieves: not the mission is shared
Apocalyptic: then I guess I did
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9450 @ 0.00084948 = 8.0276 BTC [+]
davout: pankkake: "well, ripple's altcoin, XRP, is arguably cash" <<< yes
Apocalyptic: note that XRP is destroyed for each tx
davout: pankkake: "you can also create other altcoins in ripple <<< i don't think so or i misunderstand sthg
davout: Apocalyptic: that fits the definition of a stamp
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2800 @ 0.00084948 = 2.3785 BTC [+]
pankkake: davout: the trick is to create a currency and not do anything with it
davout: pankkake: well then it's just some IOU for nothing, not really an altcoin in the sense that it doesn't work in the same ways cryptos do
pankkake: but bitcoin is also an IOU for nothing
davout: but it works with a blockchain
davout: i guess if that's what you define as an "altcoin" then we are in agreement
ThickAsThieves: heh a major investor of Ripple is also one for Pando
ThickAsThieves: "[Disclosure: Andreessen Horowitz partners Marc Andreessen, Jeff Jordan, and Chris Dixon are investors in Pando.]"
davout: i really am curious to see how that will actually work
ThickAsThieves: " Smart money, however, is on the fact that today’s Fidor announcement will be the first domino in a long chain of such adoptions.
ThickAsThieves: Just like data wants to be free, money wants to move like data. Ripple is looking more and more like the rails on which that money will move."
ThickAsThieves: such unbias
ozbot: 8.001 billion | Next Diff in 1173 blocks | Estimated Change: 3.9776% in 7d 19h 27m 48s
ThickAsThieves: Estimated Next Difficulty:8,676,109,949 (+8.44%)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23174 @ 0.00084784 = 19.6478 BTC [-] {4}
fluffypony: someone should write an article loudly claiming Apple is buying Ripple and they'll be calling it Rapple
pankkake: write for Coinion :)
ThickAsThieves: maybe if Ripple were traded on Havelock
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 538 @ 0.00087878 = 0.4728 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 200 @ 0.00088099 = 0.1762 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 200 @ 0.00087008 = 0.174 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46000 @ 0.00084943 = 39.0738 BTC [+] {3}
pankkake: !up bitcoingirl
assbot: Insufficient rights, pankkake, !up yourself on PM first.
davout: !up bitcoingirl
assbot: Voicing bitcoingirl for 30 minutes.
bitcoingirl: Hi doesn't anyone have any thoughts on the SaveGox campaign?
bitcoingirl: or doesn't any know the status of the class action law suits?
pankkake: the question is what is there to save
mod6: ^
ThickAsThieves: i think, while it seems silly, Gox probably does have some brand equity
mod6: or why would it be worth saving at all?
pankkake: the userbase doesn't like mtgox. it always sucked
bitcoingirl: as far as making investors whole again
ThickAsThieves: but i dont think that equity is with big players
ThickAsThieves: that doesnt mean there isnt money to be made
bitcoingirl: vs liquidation
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 410 @ 0.00084987 = 0.3484 BTC [+]
bitcoingirl: <+ThickAsThieves> right, that's the argument
jurov: there is *no way* to make investors whole again
jurov: or, what do you mean with it bitcoingirl?
ThickAsThieves: making investors whole is indeed unlikely, but it's also impossible if they liquidate
ThickAsThieves: it's very difficult to tell how much more money could be put back into users' hands though
ThickAsThieves: could end up being 10% more over 5 years
ThickAsThieves: and then it fizzles and dies
bitcoingirl: Karples hasn't agreed to the settlement, why do you think he would rather liquidate?
ThickAsThieves: because work
bitcoingirl: not because he could be prosecuted?
davout: could he?
ThickAsThieves: he cant avoid that if he is
ThickAsThieves: who the hell wants to run the new mt gox with such a cloud and debt hanging over its head
Naphex: lawyers!
bitcoingirl: the settlement has a "Prosecution Fund" provision that would go after stolen customer assets
Naphex: sharks
bitcoingirl: Sunlot Holdings was formed for this very reason
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.03269759 = 0.2289 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 14 @ 0.46514286 = 6.512 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 16 @ 0.46000287 = 7.36 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.45161666 = 5.4194 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5940 @ 0.00084811 = 5.0378 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: fluffypony thank you for your question suggestions for the Bitcoin2014 conference
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: pleasure, I couldn't think of any others offhand
Naphex: !up bitcoingirl
assbot: Voicing bitcoingirl for 30 minutes.
Naphex: bitcoingirl: you should learn about gpg and WoT and stuff if you're gonna hang ;]
Naphex: or you might lose that + and won't be able to talk in channel
pankkake: ;;gpg info bitcoingirl
gribble: User 'BitcoinGirl', with keyid None, fingerprint None, and bitcoin address 1MYtkWgJifWpLdjiK7AcLgGUhZNP297orA, registered on Sun Apr 7 20:05:51 2013, last authed on Sun Apr 7 18:05:51 2013. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=BitcoinGirl . Currently not authenticated.
Naphex: might be some different bitcoin girl ;]
pankkake: yeah
pankkake: ;;gpg info bitcoinguy
gribble: User 'bitcoinGuy', with keyid None, fingerprint None, and bitcoin address 13Q4dgxB8g15Kfd2hjGqs2tviJq7kCAFic, registered on Mon Nov 25 11:26:03 2013, last authed on Mon Nov 25 11:26:03 2013. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=bitcoinGuy . Currently not authenticated.
pankkake: waaah
pankkake: ;;gpg info bitcoinwhiteguy
gribble: No such user registered.
jurov: ;;gpg info bitcoinnigga
gribble: No such user registered.
jurov: ;;gpg info bitcoingypsy
gribble: No such user registered.
pankkake: ;;gpg info bitcoinfag
gribble: No such user registered.
pankkake: there's still opportunities
Naphex: haha
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6971 @ 0.00084811 = 5.9122 BTC [-]
bitcoinfag: taken :D
fluffypony: Duke poster arriving 3...2....1....
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2322 @ 0.00085028 = 1.9744 BTC [+] {2}
jurov: !up kermit
assbot: Voicing kermit for 30 minutes.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15383 @ 0.0008504 = 13.0817 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: heavily censored, naturally.
ThickAsThieves: information so free that it can't be seen
asciilifeform: in other news:
ozbot: ClubOrlov: Statecraft or Witchcraft?
jurov: How was the US State Department been busy in Ukraine?
asciilifeform: jurov: this topic isn't particularly mysterious - beaten to death in open literature.
Apocalyptic: asciilifeform, any idea why cryptome is still up ?
asciilifeform: Apocalyptic: aside from the obvious fact that 99+% of the material found there is junk - no idea.
pankkake: can't stop the signal
Apocalyptic: can stop the .org domain definitely
ozbot: Wisconsin political candidate Mark Clear returns bitcoin donations
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13400 @ 0.00085081 = 11.4009 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16700 @ 0.00085129 = 14.2165 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 100 @ 0.07500756 = 7.5008 BTC [-] {16}
jurov: well, if orlov's right, russia is right on way to extens its eugenic program to whole eurasia soon
jurov: does it at least have more citizens than 100 years ago?
jurov: really, all these slaughters of own citizens..what other purpose it could have then eugenics?
jurov: *than
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.00084811 = 3.6469 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 100 @ 0.07135379 = 7.1354 BTC [-] {11}
jurov: lol they'll cotinue with it on ukraine and with bonus convince everyone incl. orlov that "them us puppets ordered that"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00084811 = 7.9722 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: wow tons of capital vacated MPOE
mike_c: well, didn't you hear? mp is extradited to antartica to face AEC security fraud charges.
fluffypony: I believe "they" are on "their" way to arrest him right this minute
jurov: should i hde, too?
jurov: *hide
fluffypony: hide yo wife, hide yo kids, coz they're raping erry-one out there
ThickAsThieves: nope, just keep contracting rare illnesses
mike_c: probably. antartica is coming down hard on all btc bizness
ThickAsThieves: you'll be fine
davout_: mike_c: lelz
pankkake: understandable, it's melting because of it
fluffypony: which is MP's fault, I'm told
jurov: wut, 40BTC is meltdown?
fluffypony: because bitcoin...electricity...heat...uh....
Apocalyptic: jurov, like an iceberg, it's melting under the water
ThickAsThieves: probably just someone has a buttload of mpoe and unloads once in a while when they can
thestringpuller: wtf are AEC charges?
mike_c: antartica exchange commission. duh.
thestringpuller: pomodoro...
thestringpuller: ;;seen benkay
gribble: benkay was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 12 hours, 31 minutes, and 13 seconds ago: <benkay> get 'em while they're cheap frrreal
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 429.95, Best ask: 429.99, Bid-ask spread: 0.04000, Last trade: 429.99, 24 hour volume: 7341.92636950, 24 hour low: 425.0, 24 hour high: 445.0, 24 hour vwap: 435.070993586
fluffypony: the charge sheet is right there with the INTERPOL RED CARD that the ref has given Danny
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.0714004 = 1.071 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 115 @ 0.07068462 = 8.1287 BTC [-] {12}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14163 @ 0.00085146 = 12.0592 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25313 @ 0.00085193 = 21.5649 BTC [+] {2}
ThickAsThieves: fluffypony huh? I don't even see Danny wanted in Cyprus on Interpol
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: that's the thing
fluffypony: who was that guy clamouring aboout it
ThickAsThieves: lolstate?
ThickAsThieves: dude is probly jimmothy or some other toxic actor
fluffypony: "blackkys"
ozbot: View the profile of blackkys
fluffypony: that dude
fluffypony: "Also European and International arrest warrants have been issued together with an Interpol Red Notice."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.077 = 0.231 BTC [-]
fluffypony: then when he's pressured to demonstrate that these exist he just keeps batting it away
fluffypony: because Danny has committed a Very Seriouz Felony (tm)
pankkake: will it stop once they can't try to pump neobeeQ anymore?
ThickAsThieves: who knows
mike_c: in 17 minutes?
mike_c: we will see shortly.
mike_c: if anyone here is doing that history of failures, you should screen grab the neebeeq stuff quick
pankkake: there is assbot log
mike_c: yeah, i was thinking of lulzy havelock updates and what-not. i guess those are probably preserved in bitcointa.lk somewhere.
pankkake: oh right
pankkake: !t h neobeeq
assbot: [HAVELOCK:NEOBEEQ] 1D: 0.00001261 / 1.277E-5 / 0.00001700 (17434 shares, 0.22257403 BTC), 7D: 0.00001261 / 2.149E-5 / 0.00006970 (205360 shares, 4.41329943 BTC), 30D: 0.00001261 / 0.00011594 / 0.00045000 (675713 shares, 78.33886123 BTC)
pankkake: I guess that's the value of drama
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.4508002 = 2.254 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 46 @ 0.0044301 = 0.2038 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 102 @ 0.00443005 = 0.4519 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 31 @ 0.07778191 = 2.4112 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.65503744 BTC to 8`448 shares, 31428 satoshi per share
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17050 @ 0.0008526 = 14.5368 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] [PAID] 23.70000000 BTC to 30`000`000 shares, 79 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3065 @ 0.00014052 = 0.4307 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9250 @ 0.00085436 = 7.9028 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10400 @ 0.00085202 = 8.861 BTC [-] {2}
mike_c: aand, it's gone. ah, interesting bitbet: what will be the next fund delisted from havelock? could be one every month!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.0001455 = 0.291 BTC [-]
benkay: what'd havelock delist?
jurov: neobbq
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07773006 = 0.3109 BTC [-]
jurov: i'd bet some of these mining ops
benkay: <jurov> i just got informed that neisseria meningitis was found in my throat << how much d'ya want for coinbr? :D
jurov: just for you.. 50k btc?
benkay: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 433.98, Best ask: 434.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.02000, Last trade: 434.0, 24 hour volume: 8376.14788294, 24 hour low: 425.0, 24 hour high: 445.0, 24 hour vwap: 434.910659841
benkay: er
benkay: !t s s.mpoe
assbot: It says some pelt-wearin' trapper, some stinkin' bean-suckin' possum skinner, he's gonna collect that reward money.
benkay: !t m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00083894 / 0.00084562 / 0.00085436 (810968 shares, 685.77 BTC), 7D: 0.00083786 / 0.00094575 / 0.00098485 (4986284 shares, 4,715.80 BTC), 30D: 0.00083786 / 0.00096384 / 0.00101 (19586724 shares, 18,878.50 BTC)
benkay: jeeeeesus.
benkay: ;;calc 0.0.00083894 * 1000000000
gribble: Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
benkay: ;;calc 0.00083894 * 1000000000
gribble: 838940
benkay cries in the corner
benkay: every thing is dumb and i am hungover
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 300 @ 0.00435527 = 1.3066 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 300 @ 0.00430255 = 1.2908 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4092 @ 0.00085436 = 3.496 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.00603906 = 0.302 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5750 @ 0.00086495 = 4.9735 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10800 @ 0.00085891 = 9.2762 BTC [-]
pankkake: I'm now getting quantum physics spam (in French). apparently, it's a new way of healing
benkay: i failed to bookmark the 'how would you like that wrapped up' editorial cartoon re: bitcoin. does anyone else have the link handy?
benkay: gratzi, tomservo
mike_c: is that a word? you mean grazie?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 440 @ 0.00132 = 0.5808 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07598128 = 0.3799 BTC [+] {2}
Apocalyptic: probably
mike_c: (i'm secretly hoping i'm not the worst in the channel at languages)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 850 @ 0.00014474 = 0.123 BTC [-] {3}
benkay: gratzie? grazie? which is correct?
benkay: (not implying i mispelled, i am actually that illiterate)
Apocalyptic: grazie, as mike_c suggested, is correct
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5571 @ 0.00085262 = 4.7499 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.03263836 = 0.3264 BTC [-]
chetty: anyone looked into this: https://rockwell-partners.com/
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.45012562 = 3.601 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.45 = 0.9 BTC [-]
mike_c: chetty: um, sit back and make money? sounds pretty scammy.
mike_c: making 50% a month? panacea oughta put their money with these guys.
chetty: yeah thats what I was thinking - and they take btc to "invest"
mike_c: this is better than pirate.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.03263836 = 0.1632 BTC [-] {2}
mike_c: and they are "strong. loyal innovative."
chetty: certainly has a certain fragrance
fluffypony: mike_c: but it has a chart!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 6000 @ 0.00014747 = 0.8848 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.45 BTC [-]
pankkake: not the first fiat ponzi scam to accept btc. but this one looks better (css wise)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0324589 = 0.1623 BTC [-] {5}
chetty: I dont actually recognize any of the other payment methods they have listed
kakobrekla: its a ponzi
punkman: (from Rockwell about page)
punkman: classic HYIP
fluffypony: I keep wanting to call it HIYP
punkman: "1% on non-trading days" lol
mike_c: i don't even see how you can ponzi at 50% a month. that is insane.
fluffypony: mike_c: they won't make a single payment
mike_c: i guess
mike_c: not really a ponzi then, just straight stealing.
ozbot: Rockwell-Partners - rockwell-partners.com
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0322001 = 0.322 BTC [-]
fluffypony: so basically you circle-jerk with your affiliate link
fluffypony: talk about how your'e getting paid
fluffypony: *you're
fluffypony: and then profit?
punkman: mostly just not profit
punkman: but infinite hitpoints
mike_c: ;;seen nubbins`
gribble: nubbins` was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 2 days, 18 hours, 18 minutes, and 57 seconds ago: <nubbins`> was going through a real meatspace phase D;
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31500 @ 0.00084983 = 26.7696 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2660 @ 0.00014998 = 0.3989 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.4501 = 0.9002 BTC [+]
mike_c: pankkake: have you seen the last s.mg report? i thought of you when reading about the package maintainer job (cuz of altcoin).
bounce: "if we can't follow your every move (financially), you must be a terrorist (financier)" -- nothing like fat budgets to engender some more groupthink and target innovations like bitcoin. can someone please put the usg out of our misery?
pankkake: mike_c: not sure why because of altcoin, but packages is something I know well
pankkake: and you don't usually have to understand the language, just the build systems (which all suck, no exceptions :p)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 799 @ 0.00014469 = 0.1156 BTC [-] {3}
mike_c: well, because you put together the altcoin code, no?
mike_c: in any case, seemed up your alley :)
bounce: agreed. looking at the differences is interesting in a chinese sort of way, though.
pankkake: altering a few values, and running make, sure :D
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07777999 = 0.3889 BTC [+]
chetty: pankkake, make, jam ?
pankkake: jam?
pankkake: or it's a joke about pancakes :)
ozbot: An introduction to Jam
mike_c: i thought my article was positive on s.mpoe. i don't think its my fault.
mike_c: just because i can't figure it out doesn't mean much
kakobrekla: mike killed mpoe. is true.
mike_c: feel the power of btcalpha
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2148 @ 0.00085314 = 1.8325 BTC [+]
bounce: ``Jam is a small open-source build tool that can be used as a replacement for Make.'' -- this is where I stop reading.
mike_c: built by same guy as perforce i believe, which i am a fan of.
fluffypony: bounce: I think it's what Boost uses
fluffypony: it's awful
mike_c: chetty: why did you pick jam?
bounce: what was that kid again that distributed a bit of crappy code with a makefile containing a few lines of irc log that "everybody" just copies and pastes the rules, atop a list of rules that miraculously work some of the time altough most of them were written the wrong way around?
fluffypony: I have no idea what you're talking about, bounce
bounce: my pet theory is that there's a class of kids fascinated with building tools but aren't quite cut out to write compilers... so they stick to make "replacements" instead.
chetty: mike_c, crystalspace was already using it, natural progression
davout: ohai
bounce: once you do understand how Make rules actually work, most of the problems people experience with make go away. and then the "better, easier" replacements are just pots of syntactic sugar. like, oh, ant for example.
fluffypony: or CMake
mike_c: i can understand not wanting to rewrite crystalspace's build files though.
davout: bounce: nice one :-)
asciilifeform: 'A "new" language that differs from the rest of the crop by one or a couple features is proof positive that both what it came from and what it has become are mutations about to die. There are tens if not hundreds of thousands of such "languages" that people have invented over the yeare, for all sorts of weird purposes where they just could not use whatever language they were already using, could not extend it
asciilifeform: , and could not fathom how to modify its tools without making a whole new language.'
bounce: cmake isn't a make replacement, it's a autofools replacement, loaded with colourfully painted godawful bikesheds and inducing more dependency pressure on the most common user (the non-dev compiler)
bounce: in that sense it's strictly worse than autofools. some accomplishment.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00085052 = 7.9949 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 728 @ 0.00014988 = 0.1091 BTC [+]
artifexd: <fluffypony> or CMake << +1 like retweet upvote
fluffypony: nigga plz
fluffypony: Google +
artifexd: That's the +1 parts
fluffypony: oic oic, you got me covered
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10609 @ 0.00085355 = 9.0553 BTC [+] {2}
benkay: mike_c: neat article
mike_c: thanks.
danielpbarron: !up Rulother
assbot: Voicing Rulother for 30 minutes.
Rulother: Thank you
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 52 @ 0.00430039 = 0.2236 BTC [-] {2}
danielpbarron: no problem; what brings you to #bitcoin-assets?
Rulother: Well nothing really, just on my auto list and been coming here for a little over a year
Rulother: Nice to chime in from time to time depending on the convo
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07777999 = 0.3111 BTC [+]
danielpbarron: I haven't seen you chat in here yet
danielpbarron: but I haven't been here a year
Rulother: Well I promise you I've been here before :P
danielpbarron: no worries, i'm just breaking the ice
fluffypony: he's said ~1600 lines over the past year
Rulother: More so a lurker in here
danielpbarron: Rulother: if you auth with gribble, i'll give you a +1 so you can voice yourself in the future
Rulother: I'll get on that when I can. At work, atm.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6200 @ 0.00085261 = 5.2862 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7750 @ 0.00085205 = 6.6034 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9450 @ 0.00085205 = 8.0519 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07777999 = 0.1556 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.45 = 1.8 BTC [-]
ozbot: Don’t Trust Bitcoin Startups That Centralize Everything | TechCrunch
davout: fluffypony: "don't like wormy apples? have a steak instead"
fluffypony: no you must read this, it's hilarious
davout: asciilifeform: lmao
fluffypony: it's basically Blockchain.info talking about decentralisation
fluffypony: "ohai don't use a centralised provider...except us for your webwallet. we're fine."
fluffypony: my favourite part is at the end
fluffypony: "Finally, when the conversation moved to alternative coins, Smith also shared that he is bullish on dogecoins. “In terms of the alternative currencies that I like, I really like dogecoins. I got 3,600 dogecoins by selling an inflatable penguin,” he said."
fluffypony: because on a scale of 1 to reasons-to-be-bullish-on-an-altcoin, being able to sell an inflatable penguin is right up there with "has the word Dark in the name"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.0322 = 0.2576 BTC [-] {4}
Naphex: my fav part is how blockchain api carries password through cloudflare ssl passthru
davout: Naphex: you sure it does ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00085205 = 8.6909 BTC [-]
fluffypony: davout: API, not regular web wallet access
danielpbarron: i got like 500 free dogecoins a while back; turned it into BTC (what's that, a couple hundred satoshi?)
davout: Naphex: ah ty, didn't know about this API
fluffypony: danielpbarron: yeah I think it's ~1 mil doge to the BTC
davout: i really can't believe they have such a thing...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6654 @ 0.00085232 = 5.6713 BTC [+]
davout: Naphex: not that having the password transit in clear was really necessary to get pwned by the cloudflare heresy anyway
davout: just fuck with the JS on the fly
Naphex: ofcourse
ozbot: The CloudFlare MITM | Paymium
Naphex: cloudflare makes little sense to me
Naphex: you pay for a varnish cache and a nginx ssl PT
Naphex: and they get to read all your trafic, fun
Naphex: varnish doesn't support ssl, so i'd bet that they will PT through regular http pretty often
mike_c: davout: same thing for aws. their load balancer sits in front of your servers and handles SSL termination for you
mike_c: (if you ask them to)
Naphex: use a good DC and you will get most services top notch, imo
Naphex: together with great ddos protection and quality support, for an easy time
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0321003 = 0.1605 BTC [-]
fluffypony: "5 days before this article was written Cloudflare started offering Full (Strict) SSL, where traffic between Cloudflare and the origin server is encrypted AND the origin server’s cert is validated."
mike_c: that sounds like a rosy assessment of DC's. where the hell do you host?
davout: i'm thinking about e-mail based APIs against DDoS
fluffypony: davout: that broke my brain
davout: ikr
fluffypony: Naphex: CloudFlare is AMAZING for non-critical services
Naphex: mike_c: i use a industrial dc, usually services high end clients that have their own admins and servers
fluffypony: for $5 a month I get an SSL cert and can use a snake-oil self-signed on the server
fluffypony: I would never in a million years use it for something that is critical/financial
kakobrekla: davout did you make any efforts to be included in rtbtc?
Naphex: mike_c: http://www.gts.ro/ro-en/solutions/industries i highly recommend them
davout: kakobrekla: i have a FIX interface in one the pans that's currently cooking
Naphex: their website seems off with 404's, but you get an account manager, so no shitty web support and services
kakobrekla: are they on fix only?
davout: kakobrekla: i don't think so
kakobrekla: are they on fix at all?
Naphex: davout: i had a fix interface in master for a while but no point in launching it, 0 demand
Naphex: and work is focused on other stuff
davout: Naphex: what did you use ?
Naphex: for what?
davout: i mean, didja write it all yourself?
Naphex: yeah, i was evaluating other protocols and did a fix impl for tests.
asciilifeform: from the loltron:
asciilifeform: tldr - ua gov. prepares to impale 'insurgents'.
Naphex: davout: you should check out open fast, for fixfast if you're doing it in java
ozbot: OpenFAST 1.1.2 API
asciilifeform: 'three stakes, well sharpened on one side, have been prepared at...'
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2205 @ 0.0001429 = 0.3151 BTC [-] {8}
Naphex: but i use a protobuf-like protocol in binary for the server backend
fluffypony: asciilifeform: happy...easter?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9164 @ 0.00085411 = 7.8271 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07584429 = 0.3034 BTC [-]
davout: Naphex: ty
bounce: what, literally impale?
asciilifeform: their idea, not mine.
fluffypony: bounce: this is what the US government is like - http://i.imgur.com/y6CG4zP.jpg - "shhhhhh...it'll all be over soon...."
asciilifeform: ^ 'funfest' in odessa.
fluffypony: Naphex: I hear you've been having fun weather that side of the planet: http://imgur.com/a/ZYFTi
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9350 @ 0.00085274 = 7.9731 BTC [-] {2}
Naphex: fluffypony: its been raining some
Naphex: but thats bout it
fluffypony: Naphex: Bucharest got these cool mini-icebergs
fluffypony: I would float a mini-titanic around them
bounce: geez wtf pix. what's going on there?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10150 @ 0.00085232 = 8.651 BTC [-]
bounce: huh, serious optimism waiting at the bus in ankle deep ice water. here the busses'll stop going at a few cm snow
bounce: s/bus/& stop/
bounce: gah translate.google.com shits itself.
davout: asciilifeform: interesting pics, what's the point of the article? what are all the circled things about?
davout: there seems to be in a pair of pictures, the implication that one of the dead dudes was also present at some protest
davout: asciilifeform: nvm, gt seems to be doing an allright job ru->fr
mike_c: Naphex: they look pretty good. ever had the occassion to test out the ddos mitigation?
asciilifeform: davout: circled is bullet holes
davout: asciilifeform: i google translated the whole thing bit by bit, fucking scary
asciilifeform: the only thing there seems to be a kind of general agreement about is that the folks inside were fleeing from raging mob, and barricaded themselves in
davout: that's not really the impression i get from this -> "Юноша и девушка. Они не сгорели и не задохнулись - нет признаков открытого огня на паркете (ему лет 50 и он должен был вспыхнуть как солома) и копоти от дыма на стенах. Их убили другим способом. Скорее всего обоим
davout: сломали шеи - профессионалы развлекались."
asciilifeform: yeah that's the russian version
asciilifeform: that at least some of the corpses belonged to folks who were machine-gunned or beaten to death outside, then dragged in for the burning
davout: yeah, the guy with the sunnies seems to be corroborating that
asciilifeform: the popular notion that usa has the objective of re-establishing the old ua gov. is, imho, mistaken
davout: guess i'm missing a lot of context here
asciilifeform: what we're actually seeing is brzezinski's 'controlled chaos' algorithm.
davout: keep talking
asciilifeform: see usa re: libya, syria, etc.
asciilifeform: 'let's you and him fight.'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9850 @ 0.00085222 = 8.3944 BTC [-] {2}
davout: sounds pretty sensible
asciilifeform: 'divide & conquer' etc. no news here.
davout: or maybe just stay the fuck away from trouble
asciilifeform: 'you may not be interested in war, but war is certainly interested in you.'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7798 @ 0.00085355 = 6.656 BTC [+]
Naphex: mike_c: not really, best i had was like 30mbs
Naphex: mike_c: but its deffinetly there they host some big nodes pretty close
Naphex: (internet exchange nodes)
mike_c: i believe they have the capacity, but that's not all that counts during ddos. just curious what they were like under fire. let me know if you ever find out ;)
Naphex: sure, i have been using them for lots of years now. very satisfied
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.00085437 = 2.734 BTC [+] {2}
Namworld: Thanks to the miracle of whois, I'm receiving phone calls about a car in the parking lot.
Namworld: Maybe I should add whois privacy, maybe not. But it's weird getting phone calls from strangers who managed to find out what's the phone number for your address. Whois is the only result on google for my address with the phone number attached.
Namworld: They noticed the car didn't move all winter, they want to know who's car it is and buy it.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 15 @ 0.0322 = 0.483 BTC [-]
mod6: gonna restart atcbot, hang tight.
mod6: %h
atcbot: %t | %ticker | %book | %diff | %tx <tx_id> | %bal <address> | %mined | %block <block_height> | %lb | %tslb | %cm | %ptp | %help | %h
mod6: %tslb
atcbot: 41 minutes and 31 seconds
mod6: there you go BingoBoingo
mod6: %t
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 195 Ask: 224 Last Price: 224 24h-Vol: 26k High: 225 Low: 224 VWAP: 224
mike_c: %tx 991270b4ca10a02a72305af02406415191748890a70bf1dd20b09b0c3782767c
atcbot: [ATC TX] TX_ID: 991270b4ca10a02a72305af02406415191748890a70bf1dd20b09b0c3782767c Block: 30671 Confirmations: 6 Time: 2014-05-05T18:42:52Z Fee: 0.00000000 Days Destroyed: 666.67 IsUnconfirmed: false Sum of Incoming TXs: 250 Sum of Outgoing TXs: 250
mike_c: cool
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0328999 = 0.329 BTC [+] {2}
thestringpuller: mod6: mod6 mod6 mod6
mike_c: %bal 19zWDQg5Mtpsp3BoYxkq6vr4BL1Kjsua7k
atcbot: [ATC Balance] Address: 19zWDQg5Mtpsp3BoYxkq6vr4BL1Kjsua7k Balance: 1872583.9047 Total Received: 1872583.9047 Number TXs: 3 Confirmations: 2
mike_c: ^ atc baller
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.0321003 = 0.2568 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03264275 = 0.1306 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: mod6: Kind of
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0326975 = 0.1308 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14650 @ 0.00085456 = 12.5193 BTC [+] {3}
BingoBoingo: So true
mike_c: BingoBoingo: i looked over your atc reports, but i didn't have much trade history to try and correlate them with. the biggest "leak" seems to me that you are reporting each month whether you are long or short ATC.
ozbot: North Korea’s news agency writes “news analysis” of American life.
BingoBoingo: mike_c: Thanks
thestringpuller: BitID looks so lame
mike_c: for such an active trader, it feels like an important piece of information to give away. but the alternative is to basically say nothing each month except BTC + (atc converted to btc). so i don't know what you can do about that.
dub: BingoBoingo: they nailed it
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: I've got so much logs to catch up on
mod6: BingoBoingo: wait, that isn't what you'be been looking for?
BingoBoingo: mod6: Which thing, I'm still catching up on logs. will take a while.
mod6: oh, just saw you doing tslb on atcbot before it had it. thought you'd be happy :}
Naphex: kakobrekla: looks fake to me tbh
mod6: thestringpuller: haha, lightin me up huh
Naphex: i run ssh honeypots, like 9
dub: blackwhitewatcoin
Naphex: and its unlikely for ssh to have /etc/shadow in memory
kakobrekla: altcoins give it away
BingoBoingo: Fucking America Healthcare. See three other doctors/doctor extenders before primary care doctor starts treating the thing you wanted treated in the first place
Naphex: also most of the authentication goes through PAM
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00085297 = 11.5151 BTC [-] {2}
Naphex: they run memory leak and then just get shadow and uname and such ;]
Naphex: probably just a scam to get foolish scriptkids too pay for fake 0day
BingoBoingo: The worst part is the prescribe the exact same thing I would have prescribed myself if I could just go to the pharmacy with a shopping list like an actual human being at a store
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 60 @ 0.4500035 = 27.0002 BTC [+] {4}
artifexd: You're probably considerably better educated about pharmaceuticals than Joe Sixpack. He would end up killing himself or depleting the world wide oxycodone supply.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.45 = 0.9 BTC [-]
Namworld: Yeah, but they can't just let anyone order whatever. They can't make the difference between a junky, a hypochondriac and someone with a clue. Plus lawsuits and all that.
Namworld: Plus even if you have a clue, might not always be right.
BingoBoingo: What they need is an equivalent of Ham radio testing. Pass the exam, you can do your own damn primary care.
Namworld: Two words: Medical. Bay.
BingoBoingo: Someone abuses it an OD's their fault because they passed the test and should have known better.
Namworld: You might have to wait a while for that tho.
bitcoinpete: ha! havelock's first tweet since nov 1, 2013 is a pic of a fight they're sponsoring in panama
ozbot: Twitter / Havelock_Inv: http://t.co/aXZvjV0gUg
bitcoinpete: muay thai!
artifexd: ;;rate mod6 1 Perl programmer of atcbot repute.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user mod6 has changed from 1 to 1.
mike_c: ;;rate mod6 1 doing good work with atcbot
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user mod6 has been recorded.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 22 @ 0.03202286 = 0.7045 BTC [-] {9}
mod6: thx guise
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 37 @ 0.06474168 = 2.3954 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12258 @ 0.00084983 = 10.4172 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.145 BTC [+]
Naphex: gn o/
ozbot: Regarding brain wallets, why not store salts on the blockchain to prevent attacks? : Bitcoin
Naphex: lol
Naphex: user might be talking about bath salts ;]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1577 @ 0.0008484 = 1.3379 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4050 @ 0.00085329 = 3.4558 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0777799 = 0.1556 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: !t h COG
assbot: I don't give a shit who saw what and who did what or who did who.
BingoBoingo: jurov: Amazing how common these "rare" microbes are
mike_c: oh wow, cog is gone too. that's SF2, neobbq, and cog in that last couple weeks.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17350 @ 0.00085521 = 14.8379 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: mike_c: Yeah. It's hard telling what Havelock's thing is, but if S.Dice got MP a letter...
mike_c: seriously
BingoBoingo: !up Guest95361
assbot: Voicing Guest95361 for 30 minutes.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.07778 = 0.4667 BTC [+]
Guest95361: Yeah, Havelock is going to do fine. They are not breaking any laws at all and I can confirm that much
Guest95361: And they have various "shit hits the fan" plans
BingoBoingo: Guest15829: May I inquire your source or relation?
Guest95361: I would rather not say, thats really all the input I can give however they are licensed to accept public investment, and are breaking no laws in their jurisdiction
Guest95361: Obviously their "shit hits the fan" plans are not something anyone can really prove to you
BingoBoingo: This is a common refrain, but an also common lack of disclosure and documentation (re: licenses and permits)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07778 = 0.2333 BTC [+]
Guest95361: I can say with 100% certainty that they have them
BingoBoingo: I mean mircea_popescu offers insight into his Shit Hits the Fan contingency plan publicly.
Guest95361: They seem to be very private people, however it certainly does exist
Naphex: can you give an example? as guest?
jurov: it isn't even clearly known *they* do exist
Naphex: maybe they are terrible plans ;/
Guest95361: They are rather good plans, and I know that its not known. Its not my place to say
benkay: who is this Guest95361 ?
Guest95361: One of the more underestimated members of the community
benkay: community?
BingoBoingo: benkay: They are some anon who Pm'd me for !up
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5885 @ 0.00085443 = 5.0283 BTC [-] {2}
benkay: Guest95361: you understand why this is a weak play, right?
BingoBoingo: benkay: Said they know something about havelock, Doesn't seem to be offering anything new.
jurov: IP from the UK.. are you Nefario?
Guest95361: I have no financial incentive
Guest95361: And no, certainly not nefarious nefario
BingoBoingo: jurov: BTCENTRALPLUS.COM to be precise
Guest95361: Crap, you just narrowed it down to 90% of the UK
BingoBoingo: a narrowing is a narrowing
Guest95361: True, with enough information...
Guest95361: Although then again you rely on the fact that I don't use a VPN for that part
BingoBoingo: At least it suggests who you aren't
Guest95361: Very true
BingoBoingo: For example probably not Panama
Guest95361: I'm not Mark Karpeles, I'll tell you that much
BingoBoingo: Probably not Topace
Guest95361: It is rather hard to be an entire nation
BingoBoingo: Guest95361: Didn't seem so hard for Mussolini or the Kims of Korea
Guest95361: That one I will grant you
jurov: Guest95361 someday we'll maybe release our logs from coinroll listing negotiations...and there will be lulz
Guest95361: Anyhow, I am of no significance. I am off. Goodbye
Guest95361: !down Guest95361
BingoBoingo: jurov: That will be an interesting day
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4418 @ 0.00085329 = 3.7698 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: If there's one thing I've learned from this recent medical chaos it is that I am not an alcoholic
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 12 @ 0.03289644 = 0.3948 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.06474168 = 0.6474 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: Haven't had a drink in days and no Delerium tremens
ozbot: [ActiveMining] Lawsuit - Shareholder Discussion
Duffer1: who could have possibly seen this coming
Duffer1: i think i just sprained an eyeball rolling them so hard
mike_c: jurov, any reason not to release those docs?
jurov: it's quite much, stretching for months, we're busy with other stuff
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.07779665 = 0.9336 BTC [+] {4}
mike_c: that is a good reason :) still, it would make quite a blog post.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.07798315 = 0.4679 BTC [+] {4}
BingoBoingo: jurov: You just laid out a way to publish the stuff. Each month gets a post, one post per week.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07814995 = 0.3126 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9134 @ 0.00085329 = 7.794 BTC [-]
jurov: hehe they did not give me succinct summary like dotcoin did
BingoBoingo: jurov: That's why you turn it into a serial.
jurov: Part 1: In which Ivan from Havelock explains they are a platform for funding development of new projects exclusively
jurov: Part 2: In which Ivan still does not understand what IPO stands for
jurov: Part 3: In which we seek anyone other than
Duffer1: seems ipo = kickstarter in his mind
jurov: Ivan, but in vain
BingoBoingo: Maybe Havelock had the foresight to give you the anagram representative
jurov: Part 4: In which the requirement to be incorporate and fill 1" thick questionnaire with corporate details comes to light
Duffer1: does panama not have brokerage regulation?
jurov: Part 5: Exercise with signing offline wallet, in which Ivan does not understand why the funds were moved right after the signing
Duffer1: seems like an excercise in discovering how many laws he's breaking in different parts of the world would be an ammusing excercize
Duffer1: how many times can i spell excercize incorrectly in the same sentence
ozbot: On Reusing Bitcoin Addresses | When Bitcoin Met Pete
bitcoinpete: on this topic, i won't pretend that i have it nailed down
bitcoinpete: but i'm more clear than i was a week ago
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9350 @ 0.00085708 = 8.0137 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10400 @ 0.00085799 = 8.9231 BTC [+] {3}
jurov: mike_c i commented on that
jurov: er.. bitcoinpete, sry
bitcoinpete: jurov: got it!
jurov: oh, iot does not publish replies?
bitcoinpete: since everything gets sloshed together in a reused address, the taint is less clearcut, as i understand it
dignork: bitcoinpete: in case of "change address" there is a slight advantage: observer does not really knows which one of the destination addresses is change, and which is vendor
dignork: bitcoinpete: but then if vendor only uses one addess it's easily discoverable
bitcoinpete: dignork: the rounder, more even number is usually a bit of a giveaway
bitcoinpete: that too
dignork: bitcoinpete: last statement was actually against reusing
ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
jurov: gets sloshed together in a reused address <<FALSE
jurov: just try it yourself, again
BingoBoingo: Oh, the local hospital's discharge papers now have all of the lab values.
jurov: and analyze the resulting tx
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20320 @ 0.00085981 = 17.4713 BTC [+] {2}
bitcoinpete: jurov dignork i think reusing does work, let's look at this address, which may or may not be mp's bitbet address: https://blockchain.info/address/1K4FswVNus5xJZJ6TYqAzWSy3tXBBFdGnM
jurov: 1K4F is named 4 times
jurov: in inputs
jurov: these did NOT get "sloshed" together
jurov: if you send 1 satoshi million times onto one address
jurov: to spend it, you then have to create tx with million inputs
jurov: and every input will be traceable back to its source
bitcoinpete: the source being the miner?
jurov: no, i mean the address you sent these satoshis from in first place
bitcoinpete: i'm starting to see what you're saying though
bitcoinpete: i'm honestly reasonably confused.
bitcoinpete: mostly as to what you're understanding that mp isn't
jurov: look onto it this way: forget addresses, they're just a convenience for humans and are not strictly needed in the blockchain
jurov: bitcoin transaction is just set of inputs and outputs
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26465 @ 0.00085452 = 22.6149 BTC [-] {2}
jurov: every output is an input to another transaction and has unique ID
jurov: they are unique regardless if they belongs to one address or not
jurov: address does not have a balance, that is an illusion
jurov: to get address' balance one has to traverse whole blockchain and collect its unspent outputs
jurov: that's main reason why bitcoin full nodes are such hogs
BingoBoingo: mod6: Oh yeah, that's some cool stuff atc bot does now
jurov: and armory/electrum servers as well
bitcoinpete: jurov: i'm with you
jurov: any question?
bitcoinpete: does it matter, then, whether addresses are reused or not?
artifexd: jurov I disagree with your comment that there is no substantial difference between the two examples you provided. In the first case, there is no certainty whatsoever that the same entity controls the two different utxos. In the second case, it is certain that the same person controls both.
jurov: bitcoinpete, maybe it matters, but definitely not for muddying
jurov: artifexd: to create the final "spent" tx you need to know both privkeys
artifexd: CoinJoin?
jurov: unless some diffie-hellman magic can be applied to creating bitcoin txes
artifexd: Maybe you and I get together and combine our funds to pay a common bill.
mod6: BingoBoingo: thx. just saw you were lookin for that one command a few days back. :]
BingoBoingo: mod6: Ah, yeah.
jurov: i don't know how coinjohn works, and if it is compatible with reusing addies
mod6: at some point, i'll be adding an block average time over a 24 hour interval too.
mod6: i'll work on that this week probably.
BingoBoingo: That would be really sweet
jurov: but if coinjohn is a thing, reusing addy definitely leaks more information about owner
artifexd: Imagine a web service where you send it some txids and the necessary private keys along with a destination address. This service, when it gets a few requests, combines all the inputs and sends them to the outputs.
artifexd: Note that I'm not saying this is a smart service to use, but its existence is theoretically possible.
jurov: that's easy to do but you must consider the keys compromised
artifexd: If you don't reuse addresses, it doesn't matter.
bitcoinpete: to be continued, gents. thx for the… inputs
atcbot: -22 hours -14 minutes and 32 seconds
artifexd: OMG! Time warp attack!
BingoBoingo: ^ mod6
mod6: arg!
mod6: lol.
mod6: ok
mod6: jeeze, 1 hour, 48 minutes since last block
BingoBoingo: csshih: Did that thing get shipped yet?
csshih: BingoBoingo, it's in outbound.. for some reason my employees didn't unlock the door so usps didn't pick up the package
csshih: sorry =\
BingoBoingo: csshih: Understandable. Just whip them everyday until they ship it.
ozbot: A Pragmatic Test for Alcoholism | Bingo Blog
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 37 @ 0.00445451 = 0.1648 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0327 = 0.1308 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7100 @ 0.00085172 = 6.0472 BTC [-]
mod6: (17:43) < BitOTTer502> 1 hour 57 minutes and 19 seconds << ok think I have fix now, just testing
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 431.3, vol: 8191.75144828 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 422.99, vol: 2575.06688 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 431.21608, vol: 5414.51559226 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 431.0, vol: 18.18263857 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 424.96, vol: 968.84870000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 429.18, vol: 5.65738445 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 428.571013875, vol: 75.76310899 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: ;;more
gribble: 429.664043588
ozbot: Did the Ignition Key Just Die? - Slashdot
BingoBoingo: WTF, next do we get a button for brake and gas?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 30 @ 0.00668166 = 0.2004 BTC [-] {2}
benkay: i've always wanted to wire a ps2 controller into 'automatic' cars.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.078519 = 0.157 BTC [+] {2}
benkay: do away with the lie of manual operation in the damn things.
BingoBoingo: Well, there aren't all to many cars that are completely "fly by wire"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29800 @ 0.00084827 = 25.2784 BTC [-] {2}
benkay: i'm enamored of this 04 civic. everything's manual.
BingoBoingo: The gas pedal is almost always fly by wire now, but not so with the brake and steering.
benkay: i mean the engine is computer controlled i assume, implying e-gas.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 30 @ 0.07852 = 2.3556 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: benkay: Yeah, but the brake generally is the thing you more urgently need, and that usually still has a mechanical rather than electronic link
mod6: %tslb
atcbot: 11 minutes and 41 seconds
mod6: let's see how this does.
mod6: it was time-warp time before because GMT went to 00:00 and the last block was in 22:00, forgot to solve for the 24hour roll-over case.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 250 @ 0.00052 = 0.13 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: I wonder how many of these little things, perfectly amusing in an IRC bot, occured in the goxfail and how many lurk in bitcoind 0.9
mod6: do you even unit test bro?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 500 @ 0.00052 = 0.26 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00085172 = 0.8517 BTC [+]
mod6: 'tis a good question tho BingoBoingo
assbot: [MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 1000 @ 0.00021725 = 0.2173 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: mod6: It's stuff like this that will probably push me to full time OpenBSD use come November
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00085172 = 0.8517 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 500 @ 0.00021725 = 0.1086 BTC [+]
mod6: BingoBoingo: sounds like a good route to go. why november?
mod6: hai mp
BingoBoingo: mod6: That's when 5.6 comes out with their redone SSL libraries and stuff.
mod6: ahh, yeah, heard they were making SSH stand-alone from SSL/TLS
mod6: maybe it was you who posted the /. article lol
BingoBoingo: mod6: Maybe. They already have a useful version of that. I'm more refering to their having a working LibreSSL package, their fork from OpenSSL
mod6: ah that. yeah, i recall.
mircea_popescu: !jd mpif
assbot: Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 163.73578786 BTC; -0.07750675 BTC (-0.0473%) since last check 10h 13m 54s ago.
assbot: Just-Dice stat: 16702 BTC profit, 37.2k BTC invested, 1152.10 mio bets, 5.21 mio BTC wagered
mircea_popescu: jurov: Death occurs in approximately 10% of cases. << wait srsly ?!
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Usually when they find that microbe they don't find it in the throat, but in the cerebrospinal fluid
mircea_popescu: yeah. no clue how able it is to cross that barrier.
BingoBoingo: Probably eats it's way across
BingoBoingo: Or it waits for other injuries to the barrier
mircea_popescu: davout: it's just in the continuation of debt money, it's not really a competitor to bitcoin in any way << logically, as the statists keep getting beaten out of things, they'll regroup around similar-looking, similar-sounding, different things. again and again and again.
mircea_popescu: not like they'll just give up, roll over and die.
mircea_popescu: much like scammers, which is what they are, the proponents of large welfarist government will simply have to keep trying to come back forevar.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves: heh a major investor of Ripple is also one for Pando << you're starting to see why we want pando outcompeted :)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: small summary: http://cryptome.org/nsa-tempest.htm << dja figure they'll be buing some cardanos ? :D
mircea_popescu: it occurs to me the twitter superlative is "this left me speechless". sorta like bad kids threatening the world with going upstairs and cleanning out their room,
mircea_popescu: twitterers threaten the world with shutting the fuck up
BingoBoingo: speechless doesn't mean derpless
thestringpuller: damn spent 4 hours on sim city
thestringpuller: need to stop this shit
asciilifeform: re: 'prismicide' - mega-lol
asciilifeform: 'for smartPnohes!'
asciilifeform: 'based on DumbCards'
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo sadly.
mircea_popescu: Alexandra Cavoulacos @acav Read this: "Acknowledging privilege is hard [...] It's easier to feel the victim than it is to feel like the bad guy."http://groupthink.jezebel.com/blabla
mircea_popescu: Mircea Popescu @Mircea_Popescu @acav Being privileged is being the good guy. If the other guy weren't a lazy fuckwit, he'd be privileged too.
mircea_popescu: aneurism ?
asciilifeform: re: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=gjkivAf3 - if this were genuine, author would never offer it for public sale.
mircea_popescu: haha why not ?
mircea_popescu: "(Yes, we build honeypots rules for our exploits)" this seems weak. imagine the odds someone using it actually fell on a honeypot they ran.
asciilifeform: because of 'lemon problem' (perhaps not the right term of art, but i can't think of the right one)
mircea_popescu: there's what, roughly 1 bn machines on the net ?
asciilifeform: there is no way for a buyer to determine that product is genuine prior to payment
mircea_popescu: "We don't have access to exploit black markets and we are now happy to offering"
asciilifeform: vulns are generally sold via trusted brokers, in ceremonies that put japanese tea ritual to shame.
mircea_popescu: so a team advanced enough to have had a leet 0day for two years and enough honeypots to catch a 2nd team in time
mircea_popescu: does not have access ?
asciilifeform: this part is not outlandish. it is indeed possible to capture exploits this way.
asciilifeform: no team needed, just 1 fellow with free time.
mircea_popescu: no but listen.
mircea_popescu: suppose at t1 you find this exploit.
mircea_popescu: suppose you run 1k boxes as honeypots distributed all over the web.
mircea_popescu: the average time for you to catch a 2nd team using your exploit would be, a decade to a century. and this only if they're clueless enough to go after random boxes.
mircea_popescu: so practically, you'll catch the 100th team or so.
asciilifeform: correct.
mircea_popescu: at which point what you're selling is worthless by default.
asciilifeform: notice that the advertisement does not label the product as '0day'
mircea_popescu: but it WOULDN'T be woirthless today, which means, the proposed situation is unfactual.
mircea_popescu: tries to sell it as if it were, irrelevant what wordage they use.
asciilifeform: let's imagine it were worded differently. the fundamental problem of proof still applies.
mircea_popescu: at least they had the decency to sort the coins in the relative order of probability of someone falling for it.
asciilifeform: you can't test-drive an exploit, without possessing it.
mircea_popescu: bitcoin last.
asciilifeform: it is quite impossible to sell a vuln this way. other than to suckers, of course.
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah, in the end, interesting case study in nonsense. it's piled up quite exquisitely high.
ozbot: oss-sec: Re: *Possible* ssh vulnerability
ozbot: OpenSSL 1.0.1g - Private Exploit - Pastebin.com
asciilifeform: ^ similar crap-artistry
mircea_popescu: mike_c: well, didn't you hear? mp is extradited to antartica to face AEC security fraud charges. << no dude, i just had an argument with a bottle of wine and some lazagna.
asciilifeform: anyone who is concerned about a hypothetical openssh apocalypse should consider 'port knocking.'
mircea_popescu: pankkake: I guess that's the value of drama << asciilifeform check this out. the derpy openssh vulnerability ppl wanted 20 btc. the neobeeq drama was 80 btc.
mircea_popescu: 4 ssh vulnerabilities!
asciilifeform: 20 btc. cost of a well-worn toyota.
asciilifeform: did the crapartist have no awareness of what serious 0days typically go for?
mircea_popescu: mike_c: (i'm secretly hoping i'm not the worst in the channel at languages) << he's just speaking a secret italian nobody else knows about.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well this one was used.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: americans tend to have 'sore spot' about languages.
mircea_popescu: mike_c: i don't even see how you can ponzi at 50% a month. that is insane. << actually romanian ponzi thing did 800% in 3 months. it paid out for a year and a half.
mircea_popescu: dude the fucking crown. this reminds me of the golden age of Bs, where all the shitty studios had names like MONARCH
mircea_popescu: and EMPIRE w/e
asciilifeform: (phunphact. first tv ad i ever saw was for the mmm parent company)
mircea_popescu: wait it had a parent ?
mircea_popescu: "The Forex Exchange market has become an up and coming method of financial trading. As an innovator and initiator in the online foreign exchange business, Rockwell Partners S.A. is a mover and a shaker and on the forefront of the online trading market."
asciilifeform: it started as an importer of electronics, if i recall
mircea_popescu: "have become an up and coming" da fuck is that word salad.
asciilifeform: then sold foreign stocks, then moved into ponzimatics.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ah this seems vaguely familiar.
asciilifeform: obligatory:
asciilifeform: (from the infamous prof. dutch)
asciilifeform: ''Let's see, I'm wealthy and respected. What's missing? 'I know!' he shouts, slapping his forehead so hard he loses consciousness, 'I'll launch A Ponzi scheme. That way every day will tingle with the excitement of wondering whether my world will collapse in ruins and I'll be dragged off to prison while simultaneously being reviled by the whole world.''
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform your wish has been granted :
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mircea_popescu: they also did electronics.
mircea_popescu: "Here at Rockwell Automation's world headquarters, research has been proceeding to develop a line of automation products that establishes new standards for quality, technological leadership, and operating excellence. With customer success as our primary focus, work has been proceeding on the crudely conceived idea of an instrument that would not only provide inverse reactive current for use in unilateral phase detracto
mircea_popescu: rs, but would also be capable of automatically synchronizing cardinal grammeters."
mircea_popescu: volcanic erruptor, in january, nobody heard from it since.
mircea_popescu: except in march it's like a big wave.
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 195 Ask: 224 Last Price: 224 24h-Vol: 26k High: 225 Low: 224 VWAP: 224
mircea_popescu: bounce: can someone please put the usg out of our misery? << oooonly yoooouuuu
asciilifeform: taking pre-orders for improbably nice electronics is a good preliminary filter for a chumpatron.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 41 @ 0.00430531 = 0.1765 BTC [-] {5}
asciilifeform: much like a high vacuum system, familiar to physics students, tends to start with a mechanical pump, then turns on ion-diffusion or other high vacuum source.
asciilifeform: this is elementary chumpatronic engineering.
mircea_popescu: mike_c "and a company that will probably be worth billions this time next year." well look, i like myself just as much as the next guy, but srsly, billions ? seems improbable.
mircea_popescu: not that i didn;'t say roughly the same about 100s of millions a year ago, but still.
mike_c: then it'll have to tank pretty hard given the btc appreciation that's going to happen
mike_c: and it hasn't seemed to do so in previous bumps.
mike_c: it'll be an interesting year
mircea_popescu: i don't think your typical mpex holder has any interest in the bitcoin price of tyhe various fiats.
mircea_popescu: i guess sure, if btc ends up 1 mn dollarts then mpex will be worth w/e, many trillions
mircea_popescu: but this seems hardly a discussion of value and worth.
asciilifeform: when that time comes, one ought to expect a lack of interest in how many $b something is worth
mike_c: well, 3k BTC + 0.0005 mpex = billions
asciilifeform: much as no one is excited to see themselves as a zimbabwe dollar billionaire
asciilifeform: despite the fact that a great many people technically are.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform kinda my point. i don't really think btc went up in price 10x, or mpex foe that matter.
mike_c: or, 0.007 i guess
mircea_popescu: just, the dollar lost 90% of its value over 2 months
mircea_popescu: not nearly as remarkable a feat.
asciilifeform: much of the american financial apparatus is designed to paper over this fact
mircea_popescu: so in a sense, mpex price has been more or less matching btc inflation.
asciilifeform: but this is a secret from no one.
mircea_popescu: which is... unremarkable i guess. like any huge old commodity business, a power company or w/e
mircea_popescu: mike_c anyway, perhaps an even better link : http://trilema.com/2012/is-smpoe-really-worth-that-much/
mircea_popescu: back then we were wtfing at "which would put S.MPOE somewhere around 8 million dollars, which would be excessive."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.07852 = 0.5496 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21150 @ 0.00085368 = 18.0553 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4645 @ 0.00014351 = 0.6666 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28800 @ 0.00085392 = 24.5929 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: and since we're doing 2012, check out fucking 8ball action over here :
ozbot: Why S.MPOE is worth more than MtGox pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mike_c: yeah, i've read those. i just find a tough stock as a potential investor.
mike_c: but lots of people have done very well in it :)
mircea_popescu: hey you know
mircea_popescu: don't buy what you don't like, don't buy what you don't understand, don't buy what etc
mircea_popescu: "others have done well" is always a poor argument.
mike_c: that's what warren says
mircea_popescu: in the words of this romanian rap band, "Am vazut cu ochii mei tovarasi cum se duc de rapa... bagat in vena, ma bucur ca am fost pe scena. Rand pe rand scandaluri, multi din ei s-au dus..."
mircea_popescu: remarkably applicable.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron: I haven't seen you chat in here yet << no, he's been here before.
mircea_popescu: " In the last few months, Mt.Gox collapsed, bitcoin has lost half of its value. "
mircea_popescu: why is wired so fucking sutpid ?
mircea_popescu: o fluffypony already covered it. kay. i subscribe.
mircea_popescu: Naphex: cloudflare makes little sense to me << or to anyone whose brain works enough to power a goat.
mircea_popescu: !up go1111111
assbot: Voicing go1111111 for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: mod6 %bal is cool.
mod6: :)
mod6: needs addr
mircea_popescu: %bal 1Cunts
atcbot: [ATC Balance] Address: 1Cunts Balance: 0 Total Received: 0 Number TXs: 0 Confirmations: 2
mircea_popescu: 2 confirms eh ?
mod6: huh that's weird.
mircea_popescu: Naphex: and its unlikely for ssh to have /etc/shadow in memory << maybe in some weird case it could have it in child memory, which is the claim.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo:
mircea_popescu: The worst part is the prescribe the exact same thing I would have prescribed myself if I could just go to the pharmacy with a shopping list like an actual human being at a store << this is how i shop for medicine.
BingoBoingo: I remember the good old days of the student health clinic where the meeting with the doctor was merely a formality.
mod6: oh huh, i'm adding on this "?confirmations=2" part to the end of the req.
BingoBoingo: Mainstream us healthcare is the suck
mod6: thought it would filter out what doesn't have 2 conf's to that addr.
mircea_popescu: "Guest95361: I can say with 100% certainty that they have them" lmao do these fuckwits even comprehend how this bitcoin thing works ?
mircea_popescu: Duffer1 lulzy, all the ifs i nthat thread.
mod6: ok, i ripped that part out. will be less confusing without that in there.
mod6: %bal 1Cunts
atcbot: [ATC Balance] Address: 1Cunts Balance: 0 Total Received: 0 Number TXs: 0
mod6: *shrug* ok
mod6: %diff
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 455357.13 Est. Next Diff: 139713.06 in 1574 blocks (#32256) Est. % Change: -69.32
atcbot: 42k@238 26k@225 5k@224 | 10k@195 90k@156 10k@155
mod6: hey! something that worked right!
mod6: lol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.07700508 = 1.5401 BTC [-] {3}
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BingoBoingo: !up MykelSIlver
assbot: Voicing MykelSIlver for 30 minutes.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.07705863 = 1.0788 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.0322001 = 0.1932 BTC [-] {2}
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