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ozbot: Why exactly reusing Bitcoin addresses strengthens Bitcoin user anonimity pe Trilema - Un blog de Mir
mircea_popescu: jurov ^ there, speshal for you.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2250 @ 0.00014287 = 0.3215 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27500 @ 0.0008472 = 23.298 BTC [-] {3}
decimation: mircea_popescu: i'm not even reactionary, myself, i've not gotten so far. some visiting french politics professor called me "white" << Sometimes I wonder what the world would be like today if Marx had perished while affixed to the wall of some landgrave's dungeon.
mircea_popescu: well, for one thing we wouldn't need +m here
mircea_popescu: as we'd be the only ones able to read and write anyway
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 720 @ 0.000141 = 0.1015 BTC [-]
decimation: My first thought is to rue those insights that would have been lost because some peasant wasn't in the right WoT. Then I remember the concern most nobles demonstrated by searching for talent within their own fields.
mircea_popescu: and that's all for me. catch you tomorrow.
decimation: yeah, me too
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17192 @ 0.00084588 = 14.5424 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.07677829 = 0.9213 BTC [-] {3}
artifexd: OH! I GET IT!
artifexd: It's like an order randomized mixer.
BingoBoingo: artifexd: The reusing addresses thing?
artifexd: Yeah.
artifexd: As in: Send me money. I'll send it to you later. But I may send the next guys money before I send yours. I may also send you a different amount than you sent me.
artifexd: That makes some sort of minor sense for a service that just holds money to send it back to its users, but that logic doesn't do a user of bitcoin any good.
BingoBoingo: artifexd: It can make a ton of good. Someone suspects an address is yours because of a transaction between it and an address you claimed. You can assert, no that's a service's address and disavow it.
BingoBoingo: Among other things.
artifexd: I can also just assert that the address isn't mine. Period. The first time I came into possession of the coins was when they arrived at the address I claimed.
artifexd: I certainly believe that reusing addresses has a time and a place. I'm just trying to wrap my head around the idea that it increases anonymity.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0316021 = 0.316 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.075501 = 0.151 BTC [-] {2}
artifexd: It makes more sense when I notice that mp has never (that I've seen) recommended that users reuse addresses. His statements have always (that I have seen) talked about services reusing addresses. Which... ok. I'll buy that.
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 195 Ask: 235 Last Price: 240 24h-Vol: 126k High: 240 Low: 224 VWAP: 232
BingoBoingo: artifexd: Well the thing is best practices for users involve a degree of esoterism
BingoBoingo: A mix of resuse some addresses never, and reuse some addresses frequently.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.075 = 0.15 BTC [-]
artifexd: Did ATC just hit an all time high?
BingoBoingo: The worst privacy case for an individual though is one one address and only that address forever and ever, amen
artifexd: OMG, yeah. Absolutely.
BingoBoingo: artifexd: No, on Openex it traded up to the 700's
artifexd: That hardly counts.
BingoBoingo: The volume and trade frequency were higher than x-bt's usually is now.
artifexd: Did the guy that wrote openex ever come back? I haven't noticed him since then.
BingoBoingo: artifexd: Not that I know of you can check the forums. His nick is r3wt
artifexd: Ick. Forums. It occurs to me that I don't care that much.
BingoBoingo: That reaction is the same reason I didn't check for you
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.454 = 0.908 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.07695561 = 1.5391 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 32 @ 0.07737491 = 2.476 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 27 @ 0.07799991 = 2.106 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 15 @ 0.00717577 = 0.1076 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 15 @ 0.00717577 = 0.1076 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16700 @ 0.00085505 = 14.2793 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14950 @ 0.00085278 = 12.7491 BTC [-]
ozbot: Why Eve Online's economist thinks bitcoin could be a scam | Polygon
Naphex: lol
Naphex: garbage article, opionions and arguments how fun
BingoBoingo: Naphex: Did you know there is a clean pathway between Isk and BTC?
Naphex: what do you mean?
ozbot: Bitcoin’s EVE corporation pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
Naphex: ah yeah i know of it
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 260 @ 0.00319713 = 0.8313 BTC [-] {3}
Naphex: bb, heading towards the office
Naphex: late wakeup
fluffypony: I had a girlfriend that said I was an alcoholic because I enjoyed a drink or two or three every night
fluffypony: so I stopped for 6 months to demonstrate I wasn't
fluffypony: dumped her at the end of the 6 months
BingoBoingo: Sounds like a waste of six months you could have spent with a reasonable girl
fluffypony: good lessons to learn when you're young
fluffypony: had an older (wiser) friend say to me "this girl is really difficult to be with"
fluffypony: and I was like "yep, but I love her"
fluffypony: and he was like "but it's too much effort for a girl."
Naphex: good scene ;]
fluffypony: heh heh
BingoBoingo: !up Clue
assbot: Voicing Clue for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: I really hope csshih's employees don't fuck up getting the package out today.
BingoBoingo: Be a shame if he had to with them twice
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: what did you order?
BingoBoingo: !up Sahtor
assbot: Voicing Sahtor for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: Flashlights. It's storm season and I learned all of the ones I have around are aging and their bulbs suck
fluffypony: I meant which ones specifically
fluffypony: <- bit of a flashlight nerd
BingoBoingo: nite ize inovas
bounce: two or three drinks a night does qualify for alcoholism in some books
fluffypony: good choice
BingoBoingo: Fuck those books
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: Thank you for the vote of confidence
fluffypony: bounce: I think that the qualifying factor is whether it changes your behaviour
BingoBoingo: No, the line for alcoholism is that stopping drinking impares your ability to continue living
bounce: wikipedia claims delirium tremens only kicks in after a week or so
bounce: IIRC the criterion was like five glasses a week. though it went upward if you're a student, upward again if you're a medical or technical student, and upward again for certain cities with skewed (as in, mostly male) student population
BingoBoingo: Eh, details
bounce: of course; it's do goodery prattle
BingoBoingo: Worse, it's a bunch of forum derp.
bounce: no, official guidance and everything
BingoBoingo: This is the same sort of derp think that gets us people who do stuff like support the bitcoin foundation because it sounds right.
bounce: eh, finance's not supposed to /drink/ anyway.
BingoBoingo: Or support p2p decentralized everythings because if these things are good in some applications, they must be good in all applications, right.
fluffypony: decentralize EVERYTHING!
fluffypony: oh this is my favourite
ozbot: Twitter / The1KingDragon: The latest @TheCryptoRush: ...
fluffypony: The latest @TheCryptoRush: Dropped php/mysql in favor of node.js/mongodb. Want it faster? Help code: freenode #cryptorush (2/2) #crypto #btc
fluffypony: because what an exchange REALLY needs is eventual consistency
bounce: plenty people have contended that because GUIs look pretty for some applications, if only everybody used GUIs for everything productivity will soar for everybody
bounce: we're still living with the damage
pankkake: and a gay language invented by a homophobe
BingoBoingo: Because excess and poorly contextualized drinking can be destructive, apparently taking more than five drinks must be an illness. As opposed to the medical condition where the body has adapted to the presence of alcohol so much that discontinuing it is harmful.
bounce: dropping php/mysql isn't a bad idea. but the replacement... some people are magnets for failure
pankkake: mongodb is amazing in the sense that 99% of its users do not need it, and create themselves new problems
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 713 @ 0.00014273 = 0.1018 BTC [+]
bounce: that's community counselors for you
bounce: could well be from the idea that having people not spend several hundred beer tokens at the local watering hole each and every week would leave them with more money to spend on other things. then again, why aren't they waging national campaigns against audiophoolism? that's even more expensive and braindamaged.
BingoBoingo: bounce: I've actually always suspected the religious case for prohibition was largely influenced by the cost of drinking taking money that could have been tithed
pankkake: ;;google define:tithed
gribble: Tithe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <>; tithed - definition of tithed by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus ...: <>; Tithe - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary: <>
pankkake: ;;google vodka russia taxes
gribble: Legal vodka production falls by one-third in Russia — RT Business: <>; Russian Vodka Prices Set to Increase by 30% in July - Forbes: <>; Russia's vodka tax: backfiring – beyondbrics - Blogs - < (1 more message)
bounce: russia running mostly on vodka, I don't suppose that'll change any time soon
BingoBoingo: !up steven-__
assbot: Voicing steven-__ for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: !up Dimsler
assbot: Voicing Dimsler for 30 minutes.
steven-__: thanks
BingoBoingo: steven-__: You're welcome. What brings you to these parts?
steven-__: I have been idling here for some time still learning
steven-__: not very active tonight
BingoBoingo: Cool. Yeah, it's kind of a slow night. Anythings you do in Bitcoin or would like to do in Bitcoin?
chetty: the peaceful time of day
steven-__: I'm still warping my head around it all, so not yet
BingoBoingo: steven-__: That's probably the safest thing. Probably wouldn't hurt to acquire some coin and dispose of some coin as practice if you haven't done much other than read yet.
BingoBoingo: Another interesting exercise is holding coin and keeping it safe from technical threats and ill advised spending
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2526 @ 0.00013807 = 0.3488 BTC [-] {6}
steven-__: I have held coin on and off for 2 years but never in any sort of safe way
ozbot: Bitcoin Charts / Markets / btcxchangeRON
BingoBoingo: The only better time to practice than before is now
Duffer1: what is ron?
steven-__: romanian money
Duffer1: ah romanian leu
Naphex: yeah
Naphex: just bought a new PC 17,224.89 Lei :(
Duffer1: o.0
pankkake: what's lei? the doge to ron's bitcoin?
Duffer1: alienware or did you build yourself a rendering machine?
Naphex: nah built
Duffer1: 5.3k usd, must be a beast
Naphex: Asus AMD Radeon R9 295X2, 8192MB + Asus X79 RAMPAGE IV BLACK EDITION was the expensive part
Naphex: :p
fluffypony: "Porn has never looked so good!" - Naphex with his new PC
Duffer1: 4k porn? :P
fluffypony: *rendered*
Naphex: hehe, is there any though?:D
Naphex: i'm gonna use it for mining :)))
Naphex: just kidding
Naphex: haha
Duffer1: lmao
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14700 @ 0.00085329 = 12.5434 BTC [+]
steven-__: i noticed you guys have a lot of support for sterling
steven-__: its really misplaced he has been a shit owner for years
steven-__: and they are just pushing him out now that his team is good
ozbot: Bill Simmons writes an open letter to Blake Griffin on the eve of the NBA draft - ESPN
BingoBoingo: Well if someone wants to own a turd, they can own a turd.
BingoBoingo: !up steven-__
assbot: Voicing steven-__ for 30 minutes.
steven-__: they let him own a turd
BingoBoingo: ANd now they won't.
steven-__: but now that its not a turd they took it away
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18900 @ 0.00085568 = 16.1724 BTC [+]
steven-__: this racism thing is just a way to sell it to the masses
BingoBoingo: Or sell it to Magic Johnson.
steven-__: sell the story of them taking away the team to the masses not the team itself
steven-__: but yea magic was my first thought but he is pretty busy bringing a NFL team to la
BingoBoingo: Hopefully it's the Rams
steven-__: They have been saying that for years
steven-__: hopefully now that magic is involved they can get it done
ozbot: Is This the Worst Tech Idea of 2014?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.07849989 = 0.471 BTC [+] {2}
pankkake: it's actually pretty much like the cloud
pankkake: and shows how non-revolutionary "clouds" are, not how how stupid that one is
steven-__: I thought that post was just native advertising
steven-__: the first makespace post
pankkake: None, Storage"
pankkake: None, accurate
fluffypony: pankkake when are we starting a business? we can call it "the Dropbox of water"
fluffypony: and store it in clouds
steven-__: i wonder if you lose your stuff like data in other failed startups
BingoBoingo: Of course you do
steven-__: this really just seems like with smaller boxes
BingoBoingo: !up steven-__
assbot: Voicing steven-__ for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: !up periscope
assbot: Voicing periscope for 30 minutes.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.03276275 = 0.2949 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 700 @ 0.00019799 = 0.1386 BTC [-]
ozbot: The Codeless Code:
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0784999 = 0.157 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31420 @ 0.00085303 = 26.8022 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: good morning ass...ets.
mircea_popescu: artifexd: It's like an order randomized mixer. << something like that.
mircea_popescu: it's not technically that, because in point of fact you *can* implement with single use addresses the same system. however, you could also not have, and likely the presumption will be that you have not. so it's more like proof that you have than anything
mircea_popescu: artifexd: I can also just assert that the address isn't mine. Period. << absolutely. on the other hand, reusing addresses actually makes the stupidirty of "calculating taint" much more expensive.
mircea_popescu: not only in tech terms, but also in intellectual terms. ie, the nonsense one has to believe in other to believe in taint.
mircea_popescu: this happens to be how one defends himself from stupidity : by making the intellectual cost of stupidity skyrocket.
mircea_popescu: like, derps believe "there is a god above" ? well, let's put some satellites in orbit, see what they do then ? ah, they still believe it, except it's now above-er ? win.
mircea_popescu: artifexd: It makes more sense when I notice that mp has never (that I've seen) recommended that users reuse addresses. His statements have always (that I have seen) talked about services reusing addresses. << yes, this is an important, and also correct, observation.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 41 @ 0.07684537 = 3.1507 BTC [-] {5}
mircea_popescu: ;;seen r3wt
gribble: r3wt was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 weeks, 0 days, 11 hours, 25 minutes, and 14 seconds ago: <r3wt> ;;bcauth r3wt
mircea_popescu: Naphex: garbage article, opionions and arguments how fun << they've been having an eve corp whose shares are traded in bitcoin/equiv MPOE shares for... a year now ? more ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 21 @ 0.07626913 = 1.6017 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: a nm, it got linked.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: so I stopped for 6 months to demonstrate I wasn't << alternatively you could have belted her butt to demonstrate it's not her place to say. better for humanity, because she probably went on to write opinionful articles about things.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: yeah...part of it was also to prove to myself I wasn't an alcoholic:)
mircea_popescu: see, i can appreciate that sentiment, but it has a hole in it
mircea_popescu: because inasmuch as it's in your hands, abstaining for an arbitrary period from x does not prove you don't have an addiction.
mircea_popescu: the only logically sound way this proof works is if you're a slave and your master orders you to stop, without a specific timeframe. then yes.
fluffypony: but does slavery == addiction ?
mircea_popescu: no, slavery = outside of your control.
fluffypony: oic oic
mircea_popescu: there's nothing to negotiate, see ? whereas as long as you are your own master for all you know your adiction is making a deal
mircea_popescu: for its immunity.
mircea_popescu: now, this certainly isn't to say that taking a break is not a good idea.
mircea_popescu: all it says is that it's indicium not proof.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: and he was like "but it's too much effort for a girl." << check it out thickasthieves, it's all over again :D
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell thickasthieves ^
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: mwahahaha
fluffypony: well that's the lesson that I learnt
fluffypony: it shouldn't be difficult
mircea_popescu: sanity shouldn't be difficult. in practice, nothing else is quite as difficult.
mircea_popescu: for from the crooked timber of humanity...
fluffypony: no straight thing was ever made
mircea_popescu: bounce: two or three drinks a night does qualify for alcoholism in some books << it very much depends on ethnicity and culture. your average samoan doing three vodka shots each day will be fucking dead from it.
mircea_popescu: jurov on the other hand, gets meningitis of the uvula from not drinking enough.
mircea_popescu: bounce: eh, finance's not supposed to /drink/ anyway. << oddly, all good doctors i ever knew smoked like turks, and all good finance people were drunks. check out romania's cb president pro vita, his face has the distinct red marks of enjoying wine.
mircea_popescu: bounce: dropping php/mysql isn't a bad idea. but the replacement... some people are magnets for failure << i suspect mysql (just by itself) may actually be a better choice than mongodb.
fluffypony: agreed
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17600 @ 0.00085636 = 15.0719 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: bounce: I've actually always suspected the religious case for prohibition was largely influenced by the cost of drinking taking money that could have been tithed << actually, it was leftover from english historical issues. "nitially gin was a welcome industry in England because it allowed a new class of consumption for grain, thus promising to elevate the prices of grain and so the profits of the landed ge
mircea_popescu: ntry. Within a generation or two the prevailing winds changed, and most all of “Victorian morals” can adequately be reduced to and explained in terms of, the lords pushing their sponsored priests to go to war on their behalf, under the banners of “other people should drink gin so as to make the lord money, but the people of this parish should not drink gin so as to be able to work long and hard, thus making the l
mircea_popescu: ord money”. That schizoid insanity is still torturing our fledging northern colonies to this day. "
mircea_popescu: 30day vol 487.65107709 BTC, not so bad at all.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: "Porn has never looked so good!" - Naphex with his new PC << "who said you can't mine btc on your pc in 2014 ?!"
mircea_popescu: damned shit. this read logs later and comment deal doesnt work because instead of being beaten by like .5 seconds
mircea_popescu: im beaten by like six hours
mircea_popescu: steven-__: and they are just pushing him out now that his team is good << intel told me the same thing. "stfu with sterling, you're embarassing yourself. he's been an idiot worse than steinbrenner, nobody cared because the team used to suck."
mircea_popescu: !up sl01
assbot: Voicing sl01 for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: pankkake when are we starting a business? we can call it "the Dropbox of water" << call it the dropbox of beer. you can go arounbd other people's tables and offer to store it for them.
fluffypony: in my belly
mircea_popescu: and speaking of nonsensical us stuiff that's really just inherited from europe, does this melody sound familiar to anyone ?
ozbot: Die Wacht am Rhein - YouTube
mircea_popescu: uh wrong one
ozbot: Heil Dir Im Siegerkranz ( Deutsche Kaiserhymne ) - YouTube
Naphex: mircea_popescu: ykr, not bad at all :D
HeySteve: hello
jurov: hey
jurov: !up Lee-
assbot: Voicing Lee- for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: !up steven-__
assbot: Voicing steven-__ for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: off to town, back later
jurov: !up ericmuyser
assbot: Voicing ericmuyser for 30 minutes.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.07633809 = 1.1451 BTC [+] {3}
ozbot: 8.001 billion | Next Diff in 1022 blocks | Estimated Change: 5.1830% in 6d 17h 29m 22s
HeySteve: if you follow altcoins, this site rates them by market, repository and social media activity, may be useful data:
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20600 @ 0.00085299 = 17.5716 BTC [-]
danielpbarron: I haven't had more than a few sips of whiskey over the course of the last few months, not because I wanted to stop drinking, but because it just didn't occur to me that I had stopped
HeySteve: Wi' tipenny, we fear nae evil; Wi' usquebae, we'll face the devil!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 274 @ 0.07088025 = 19.4212 BTC [-] {38}
fluffypony: for those that don't want PDF fuckery
pankkake: nice
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.072 = 0.432 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.06474168 = 0.6474 BTC [-]
TomServo: HeySteve: fix your junk
asciilifeform: recommended to everyone, for 'entomological' study.
TomServo: ^ agreed.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16600 @ 0.00085486 = 14.1907 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.00447161 = 0.1789 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.033 = 0.132 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0316021 = 0.316 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 26 @ 0.03382226 = 0.8794 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 24 @ 0.03424999 = 0.822 BTC [+] {9}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.03154036 = 0.2208 BTC [-] {4}
davout: kakobrekla:;topicseen <<< the forums realises why two cans and a string
kakobrekla: stop with the slander
kakobrekla: retards talking about retards who did this retard thing but retards now have a retarded fix
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7966 @ 0.00085537 = 6.8139 BTC [+]
pankkake: so basically Bitstamp creators watched Office Space?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11134 @ 0.00085299 = 9.4972 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: i had a picture where they charged me 0.01 to give me 0.
davout: kakobrekla: infinite fees
kakobrekla: actually, they charged me 0.01 to take 1 satoshi from me
kakobrekla: that was the case.
davout: noyce
ozbot: Bitstamp Scam Accusation (FIXED WITH FRIENDLY RESOLUTION) | Page 2 |
kakobrekla: >kakobrekla, Jun 5, 2013
kakobrekla: they are a year behind?
davout: that's a progress
kakobrekla: davout but you know its only cents!!
davout: "Nothing wrong with rounding but charging a fee on every chunk is a plain old SCAM." <<< that guy has it exactly backwards
kakobrekla: the forum is backwards
kakobrekla: rotate your screen 180
kakobrekla: so the lcd panel is turned towards the wall
assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. (
Duffer1: !bash 3
davout: LOL
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 67 @ 0.00324974 = 0.2177 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9500 @ 0.00085636 = 8.1354 BTC [+]
ozbot: Exclusive: Emails reveal close Google relationship with NSA | Al Jazeera America
mircea_popescu: "We claim that these built-in properties are not as brilliant as they are sometimes claimed."
mircea_popescu: how is this a fucking claim.
mircea_popescu: did they stop sending kids to school altogether in the english space ?
asciilifeform: 'people will rent cloud for five minutes and double-spend.'
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.0752 = 0.5264 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: as if infinite cpu just sat there, on the shelf, its price entirely unaffected by this hypothetical.
mircea_popescu: the funny thing about that paper is, of course, that altcoin is being used currently exactly as experimental proof that his theory is nonsense.
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 455357.13 Est. Next Diff: 140491.07 in 1544 blocks (#32256) Est. % Change: -69.15
mircea_popescu: there, 70% drop, go doublespend or w/e, show me how altcoin dies because whoa, sudden mandated diff changes.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 200 @ 0.0008621 = 0.1724 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.45500002 = 1.82 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.07528666 = 0.4517 BTC [+] {2}
pankkake: altcoins received plenty of successful double spending attacks
mircea_popescu: pankkake his "claim" is his claim.
asciilifeform: there is the little detail that a (detectable) double-spend more or less buries a coin
pankkake: cpu coins are especially vulnerable to cloud mining
pankkake: no, altcoiners are morons, don't forget
pankkake: but really you don't need a huge pdf to understand that
asciilifeform: let's picture a source of hashing cycles, publicly auctioned. how would it not be subject to the same bidding dynamics as presently existing miners?
asciilifeform: i.e. how would the cost of a double-spend possibly go down ?
ozbot: Subject: This is your daily reminder that you are stupid and should speak less -
asciilifeform: did he actually ask to be let in?
mircea_popescu: i don't think so.
mircea_popescu: because why would he need to, right, because in the virtual reality he inhabits he is qualified.
pankkake: so I guess it's like writing "no girls allowed" in your treehouse
mircea_popescu: like you know, whatever fucking shaman in the depths of africa rubbing sticks together "knows" and consequently doesn't need to obtain a license to opine on matters of medicine
asciilifeform: as far as i can see, author is a (self-proclaimed) academic
mircea_popescu: pankkake no. it's like writing "fraudulent pracitce of medicine will be prosecuted" on the hopsital
mircea_popescu: somewhere in the god forsaken thirld world where this isn't somehow self-obvious.
asciilifeform: all of this inescapably reminds me of james randi's flower pot.
mircea_popescu: like you know, kansas, kenya, take your pick.
asciilifeform: 'i have psychic powers!' - 'tell me what is under the upturned pot.' 'fuck you i'm dragon.'
asciilifeform: if someone were to find an actual exploit, of whatever kind, in whatever coin, the 'proof of the pudding' would be - 'in the eating.'
artifexd: <mircea_popescu> <- Did you write that?
mircea_popescu: just sent it yes.
ThickAsThieves: (also note i added bitbet ad to footer, thanks mike_c!)
ozbot: Be One of Us
mike_c: ah cool :) improved version is imminent.
asciilifeform: in other news: 'the U.S. should consider getting its astronauts to the International Space Station using a trampoline.'
mircea_popescu: kinda old news that
asciilifeform: yeah i haven't kept up. no idea if there's a lockheed contract for trampoline yet.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what flower pot is that btwe ?
ThickAsThieves: i forget, what the heck does Got Milk? mean on Bitbet anyway?
mircea_popescu: well considering what the inexistend fighter jet has cost alreayd, i can only imagine what a shuttle would cost the usg
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mircea_popescu: you know, "most military expenditure in the world", then russia pisses in your ear whenever it feels like.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves two years ago, usagi was doing this complex layered cake of very badly structured "corporations" that kept trading with each other then failing to execute the contracts etc. deprived kept calling him on it. for months, 100s of pages.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 15 @ 0.03300449 = 0.4951 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: eventually usagi had a nervous break down, wroiter this post about how he can't get any sleep because he keeps having to defend "his good name" and he is selling his guitar and w/e to pay off debts
asciilifeform: some years ago, stage magician james randi challenged psychics, soothsayers, esp artists, etc. to tell him what lies under an overturned pot in his basement.
mircea_popescu: and "we" need to stop because this can't be everything is a scam milk is a scam kjfdshgkshdkgjsfd
mircea_popescu: so we just took the "milk is a scam" thing.
ThickAsThieves: maybe time to grow out of it?
mircea_popescu: grow out of it ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.03299998 = 0.264 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: i'll rephrase
ThickAsThieves: it' sstupid
mircea_popescu: yes, that's what brands are : stupid to the clueless. like say the word "brand"
mircea_popescu: say it 500 times fast, check out how stupid it seems.
danielpbarron: does it make sense to have an escrow service provider sign a contract? or is this not necessary since he's the trusted 3rd party anyway (i think he should sign a contract, but he insists otherwise)
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron who's the guy and why's he refusing to sign a contract ?
danielpbarron: well, not refusing, but strongly disagreeing
ThickAsThieves: but you just clued me
danielpbarron: Michail1
mircea_popescu: the rules are that contracts are mandatory if either party desires, but may be waived as unnecessary if both parties wish to
ThickAsThieves: and effect hasnt changed
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves what's so stupid about it ? it's sort-of like Ford having "Got Black?" on its corporate website.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what the inexistend fighter jet has cost << what would it have cost ussr to build a flat screen tv ?
mircea_popescu: because, of course, "customers can have a car any color they want"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform afore or after the chinese took over the us ?
asciilifeform: recall an incident i described some months ago, of getting ordinary circuit boards baked at a u.s. plant.
asciilifeform: they cost considerably more than their weight in platinum.
mike_c: ThickAsThieves: eventually there will be a yahoo answers entry about "why does bitbet say 'got milk'" and it will be ok :)
asciilifeform: this kind of thing permeates everything.
ThickAsThieves: at first glance, it's confusing and distracting. then upon learning, it's just an inside joke mocking some nobody
mircea_popescu: "It’s an ugly thing, watching all these kids shoot from the hip." << ThickAsThieves haha actually i kinda enjoy it for the comedy value
ThickAsThieves: mike_c lol
ThickAsThieves: but mp i'm sensitive!
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves yeah, i see it more that way. it's a little nook, something to discover, some way to be "in".
mircea_popescu: nobody cares about usagi, but some people - such as for instance I - care about the fact that we were doing insider jokes in 2011.
asciilifeform: or - for that matter - the recent discussion about what it costs to house a google worker, and why
ThickAsThieves: i guess it at least goes to your word promising to blacklist people
ThickAsThieves: i look forward to the realization of blacklisting methods for Wired and such
mircea_popescu: like next time WiredHerp comes here to ask questions and all he gets is a link to them being banned ? and an invitation to get his editor to fire the offending party and publish a retraction cum apology ?
mircea_popescu: doesn't seem hard to do.
ThickAsThieves: i just can't resist thinking "wtf does it say 'got milk' on this header, but doesnt even say 'bitcoin'?!"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1726 @ 0.00013776 = 0.2378 BTC [-] {6}
mircea_popescu: why would it say "bitcoin" ?
mircea_popescu: not like i own the trademark.
ThickAsThieves: i mena i guess it's all in the name
ThickAsThieves: for teh SEOz
ThickAsThieves: but there're usually bets with Bitcoin in them
mircea_popescu: i got affiliates, supposedly. let them do the seoz.
ThickAsThieves: i guess i should add alt text to the ad on my site
mircea_popescu: as is customary with the free market, the more you work the more you get :D
artifexd: Add another layer of abstraction to the inside joke by changing "Got Milk?" to "Milk Life"
artifexd: Or, you know, don't.
mircea_popescu: eh, changing designs. what is this, the web ?
asciilifeform thinks back to the discussion of which animals to milk, held at mp's meetup.
mircea_popescu: lol you'll have to refresh me
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 40 @ 0.07011902 = 2.8048 BTC [-] {6}
asciilifeform: where vegetarian (TaT?) - 'animals didn't ask to be milked' - me: 'then let's milk the ones which we can ask'
ThickAsThieves: it probly involved - is breadt milk vegan?
asciilifeform: aha yes
mircea_popescu: "You see, other than by chance, it is impossible to properly communicate and convince an audience of your position when you are deluded from where you stand in the first place." <<< you just summarized us dating.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 60 @ 0.069605 = 4.1763 BTC [-] {5}
mircea_popescu: obviously, lactating animals are all desperate to be milked.
mircea_popescu: mastitis = death otherwise.
mircea_popescu: try not milking a cow for a day see what it does.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 22 @ 0.0694 = 1.5268 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: well try not milking a cow for 9mos too plz
asciilifeform: cow's a bit of a pathological case. but sure.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform afaik labrats with dead litters get it too, and die.
mircea_popescu: the common house cat idem
bitcoinpete: <<canadians and romanians getting together outside irc. a thing of beauty
ozbot: Twitter / NATOSource: Photo: Six CF-18 Hornets flying ...
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves the editing dept sez : "deluded AS TO where you stand"
ThickAsThieves: i meant it as deluded (away) from
ThickAsThieves: not - from where you stand
ThickAsThieves: but this clears that up
mircea_popescu: apparently that structure always takes "as to".
mircea_popescu: concerned as to her well being, convinced as to the dangers etc
mircea_popescu: "It’s a bit like a man grunting at a woman he’s attracted to. There’s no context, no clarity, no purpose, no potency, no efficacy. No finesse. No nuance. Marketing is an art, not some fucking blunt object for which to clobber your every desire. "
mircea_popescu: dude i like this guy's writing.
ThickAsThieves: well ty, i'm still trying to not sound like a 10th grader
mircea_popescu: that's pretty much it. reddit is an apeman looking for a club to clobber things
bitcoinpete: the greed point is spot on too
mircea_popescu: anyway, sponsorships may work. it's just... they require some elements, such as lordship, that are absent for reddit's case.
mircea_popescu: the canonical case of sponsorship is art, of course.
ThickAsThieves: well any of the methods may work by chance or to some degree
ThickAsThieves: but they are so backwards about it
ThickAsThieves: they see dogecoin on tv and get jealous
bitcoinpete: ThickAsThieves: then they'll move to doge
mircea_popescu: well, the welfare mass is trying to implement what it thinks high falootin' politix is, which ends up trying to re-implement the nonsense of their socialist masters,
mircea_popescu: which are always exactly backwards.
mircea_popescu: are you the worst fucking nightmare of the proletariat ? claim you're the saviour of proletariat.
ThickAsThieves: indeed, that's something that drives me crazy
mircea_popescu: alinsky-goebbels 101
ThickAsThieves: seeing rednecks fight for things opposed to their own position
mircea_popescu: anyway, not only they shouldn't , but they couldn't hire a professional that knows better.
mircea_popescu: god help the professional hired by a crowd.
mircea_popescu: might as well answer "witches wanted" ads in 1700s salem
ThickAsThieves: maybe, but the attempt would likely manifest into organization
mircea_popescu: only lords may hire professionals, as far as the professionals know their own best interest.
mircea_popescu: there's no such thing as "manifesting into organisation" tho
ThickAsThieves: there's always some guy in charge of collecting the crowd's money
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ThickAsThieves: that guy gets a rep
ThickAsThieves: maybe learns a thing or two
ThickAsThieves: gets ripped off by a fre "professionals"
ThickAsThieves: if he sticks around then maybe it works out
ThickAsThieves: every one is gonna scalp their share though
ThickAsThieves: i agree that it's a silly endeavor though
ThickAsThieves: it's also interesting to point out that the only organization purported to promote bitcoin, does no outreach other than public speaking
ThickAsThieves: you cant even fucking learn about Bitcoin on their website
mircea_popescu: anyway, i disagree with the theory the motivator is greed.
ThickAsThieves: you agreed 5mini ago!
mircea_popescu: it seems clear it's either mimetism or brownian motion,
mircea_popescu: which are the same thing, depending on whether you think othyer people are agents or objects.
ThickAsThieves: maybe it's all of that
chetty: greed can apply to things other than money - fame/power etc
ThickAsThieves: i mean greed is certainly there
ThickAsThieves: it's like how people wanted the next asicminer
ThickAsThieves: what they wanted was to be there for the bubble
ThickAsThieves: maybe it's not greed i dunno
ThickAsThieves: but it's tightly wound to it
mircea_popescu: but more in the sense of the will to live, and the quest for survival.
mircea_popescu: they're greedy like bacteriums.
ThickAsThieves: i dunno man, you really think their will to surive is that strong?
ThickAsThieves: or that active?
bitcoinpete: redditers: will to live, asseters: will to power
jurov: bitbet affiliation sucks, i have tried a bit
ThickAsThieves: i dont like calling them redditers cuz it feels like an insult to editors
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.03350559 = 0.3351 BTC [+]
jurov: seems it applies on only the bet that is linked with ?ref= parameter
jurov: as soon as they start to click around, it gets forgotten
bitcoinpete: redditards, reddites, reddheads...
ThickAsThieves: so ref to home page is pointless?
ThickAsThieves: i wanna OWN my affiliations
ThickAsThieves: for lyf yo
ozbot: Putin On The Ritz - Andrew Wyeth Neal - YouTube
jurov: not 100% sure but it seemed that way to me
ThickAsThieves: kakobrekla, care to share the inner workings of affiliate program?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.03309463 = 0.3971 BTC [-] {2}
ThickAsThieves: i see Enky is boycotting Bitstamp
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MG] 2000 @ 0.00010001 = 0.2 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves> or that active? << yes.
mircea_popescu: it makes women push watermelons through their square inch of a vaginal canal. never underestimate the will to live.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0318 = 0.1272 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3446 @ 0.00085268 = 2.9383 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: <jurov> as soon as they start to click around, it gets forgotten << no wai ?!
mircea_popescu: it's site-wide im pretty sure, and root works too
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla ?
jurov: well, i always got some satoshi in few hours following the link was published
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves you can't own it for lyf lol, you own it for a month
jurov: and nothing ever since.
jurov: *days
mircea_popescu: jurov so maybe referral didn't stick ?
ThickAsThieves: i accept this compromise, thank you for negotiating
jurov: i don't know why it did not stick
mircea_popescu: jurov cause the person made a bet and then forgot about it ?
pankkake: jurov: no it works, the cookie expires at session though. that way I got myself fees by mistake
mircea_popescu: i meant specifically, the referral, as in, the guy you referred.
ThickAsThieves: it's anecdotal, why not just test it
jurov: it expires when window is closed?
mircea_popescu: no it doesn't.
pankkake: when browser is closed
ThickAsThieves: cookies are so misunderstood
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.03301945 = 0.3962 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: pankkake even if you purge cookies when you close browser, it should track you by ip afaik
pankkake: they're delicious delicacies
pankkake: the referal? I doubt it. or I would have gave myself fees forever
ThickAsThieves sharpens picthfork, just in case.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.03300675 = 0.3961 BTC [-] {2}
jurov: ^ pankkake this. i have did it myself, i got back fees from the bet i linked directly but that was all
mircea_popescu: well kakobrekla can weigh in when he wakes up
pankkake: or you can watch the cookie
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22488 @ 0.00085171 = 19.1533 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: gawd, Pando is really starting to annoy me
jurov: heh now i wonder why i just said myself "prolly it should be so" and not investigated further
ThickAsThieves: all this "Since our article, the world is a better place. You're welcome." shit
Naphex: wut is pando?;o
mircea_popescu: why is that jesse draper trying so hard to be "hot" ? she's just some girl.
mircea_popescu: Naphex cali based would-be news source.
ozbot: After Pando’s reporting, Steven Tyler’s daughter ends quest to shut down Bay Area band | PandoD
ThickAsThieves: After Pando shows clear evidence of fraud, Indiegogo responds by… deleting anti-fraud guarantee
pankkake: a "gogo" in French is a fool
mircea_popescu: pankkake ever seen bebes a gogo ?
ThickAsThieves: "What I love about Pando is how quickly it's exposing itself to be ego-stroking spin machine for its investors and their interests." ~ me
mike_c: this is odd. the ref cookie seems to last for an hour..
mircea_popescu: also, why not call liv tyler liv tyler ? not like she's not in the idbm etc
ThickAsThieves: it's not liv
mike_c: feel free to steal my bitbet session now too :)
pankkake: no. oh, another louis de funès, lol
mircea_popescu: <ThickAsThieves> gawd, Pando is really starting to annoy me << they were cool at some point.
mircea_popescu: then pmarca happened.
ThickAsThieves: how is it i find mp's claims to fame palatable, but not theirs?
ThickAsThieves: substance i guess
chetty: reality bites
mircea_popescu: wait i make claims to fame ?
jurov: !up Azelphur
assbot: Voicing Azelphur for 30 minutes.
ThickAsThieves: well you arent scared to attribute outcomes to your own actions
mircea_popescu: maybe it's that "pando" is not a person ?
ThickAsThieves: and that pando has no rep with me
mircea_popescu: maybe it's that the shit they claim makes zero difference, to you or anyone else ?
mircea_popescu: maybe yeah
ThickAsThieves: and that too
ThickAsThieves: omg band name saved!
ThickAsThieves: thank you prince pando!
mircea_popescu: prince pando is actually not a bad name for a flaming cabaret homosexual
pankkake: can't help but think of a pedo panda
ozbot: Spamerul Dan Pulic pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
ThickAsThieves: lol at thaty pic
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 11 @ 0.06474168 = 0.7122 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: maybe i'll write a pando hate article and steal all their lovers
Naphex: mircea_popescu: have you ever checked out romanian section of bitcointalk?
mircea_popescu: i dont think it was ever on the girl's list
mircea_popescu: mostly did securities, scam accusations, stuff like that.
mircea_popescu: "Dupa 24 de apeluri 7 emailuri la care am primit mesaj cu autoresponder in sfarshit pot sa respir cumva."
mircea_popescu: that reads "after 24 calls and 7 emails i can finally breathe somewhat"
mircea_popescu: deepthroat references floatin' in my head...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 50 @ 0.07395199 = 3.6976 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: anyway. sad.
Naphex: "Am platit vreo 15mii $ in total si in situatia mea probabil o sa ii recuperez si sa fac profit candva avand in vedere ca nu platesc curent."
Naphex: :))
Naphex: ah wrong face :(
mircea_popescu: yeah. cocksucker's trying to steal electricity, thinks this is "business".
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.67766560 BTC to 8`520 shares, 31428 satoshi per share
Naphex: the miner producer
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Naphex: from bacau i think
Naphex: they don't look that bad
mircea_popescu: not enough there to make any sort of call really
Naphex: still looks like they sold some
assbot: Processing.
assbot: Response: error
mircea_popescu: davout meanwhile it's back
davout: yo
mircea_popescu: fried server++;
mircea_popescu: funny thing is, i got the notification from you about half a second before from tech.
davout: probably because your tech doesn't have a bot running
mircea_popescu: no, more like because they have to use encrypted chan
jurov: heh i got notification too, but was afk
mircea_popescu: anyway. seems a bios chip smoked out. this is what redundancy is for, carry on.
Naphex: never had that happen
davout: dem romanian computers
mircea_popescu: Naphex i have had so many things happen for mpex that i never had happen before i couldn't begin to tel lyou
mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete's reuse address article making some hay on twitter it seems
Naphex: mircea_popescu: why not run a varnish cache for fronting mpex?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3550 @ 0.0008517 = 3.0235 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: bios !?
asciilifeform: botched flash?
asciilifeform: or, literal magic smoke
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the board just went
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22900 @ 0.00085161 = 19.5019 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: since you said 'bios', i wondered how this conclusion was reached.
mircea_popescu: Naphex this wasn't a front problem, the front was fine all through
ThickAsThieves: i like how Matonis is retweeting an article that says "Take whatever the Core Devs say and do the exact opposite."
Naphex: mircea_popescu: yeah i know, was just asking why not, for just html you'd get a lots of plus
ThickAsThieves: gj bitcoinpete
mircea_popescu: Naphex because it's more code, basically.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform just a guess i suspect. the processors weren't hot enough to smoke.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i wonder if matonis actually does get the custom-tailored award thing
ThickAsThieves: oh the blockchain awards?
mircea_popescu: weren't there some awards ? "best atm" etc
ThickAsThieves: yeah i think it's kicking off the conference something
ozbot: Jon Matonis - The Monetary Future - Forbes
ThickAsThieves: he had a job for 1 month writing for forbes
ThickAsThieves: then bitcoin crashed
mircea_popescu: iirc he had a forbes blogs for a while
mircea_popescu: defo longer than 1 month
ThickAsThieves: 'loa dmore'
mircea_popescu: !up ziggamon
assbot: Voicing ziggamon for 30 minutes.
ThickAsThieves: i have this feeling none of the people i will want to ask questions will have a Q&A session
Naphex: mircea_popescu: you run it on some server before, totally transparent. it will cache most in RAM and deliver, it. it will merge outgoing connections and route them through HTTP 1.1 connections
ThickAsThieves: and i'll end up chasing them down in the red light district
Naphex: save you lots of trouble even from ddosses whatever;p
mircea_popescu: Naphex not saying varnish is bad or anything
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves didnt you say you liked whoresterdam ?
ThickAsThieves: i do, never tried the whores thoughh
ThickAsThieves: would be much more productive to run into these guys at a coffee shop
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0319899 = 0.1599 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: in the end my ideal is asking them in public with a crowd
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.03199 = 0.2559 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: just to be thorough, would you mind phrasing your question for Vehehe exactly?
ThickAsThieves: it seems it'd need multiple parts
mircea_popescu: you got your own head neh ? you get the idea, ask it until you get an answer
ThickAsThieves: but generally you want to know whether and when theyll issue financial statements?
ThickAsThieves: are they a 501c3?
ThickAsThieves: if so i can have my wife get them
mircea_popescu: not whether, but why haven't they.
mircea_popescu: what is he hiding
mircea_popescu: did he spend the money on booze, like every single other bitcoin foundaton plat member to date ?
mircea_popescu: such as karpeles ? such as vleisides ? such as etc ?
mircea_popescu: what is his connection to ndrengheta ?
mircea_popescu: was he aware bfl is using the bf logo to scam users ? did he agree to be paid to help with this ?
mircea_popescu: did all the payment end up in the foundation or did he pocket some ?
mircea_popescu: if he didn't pocket any why does he refuse to allow the foundation to publish its books ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00433 = 0.433 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: does he think it's ok to be both the treasurer and the exec of a foundation ?
mircea_popescu: is this because he wants to prevent the public from discovering how he's been embezziling the donations ?
mircea_popescu: until he answers, you can keep askin.
asciilifeform: allow the foundation to publish its books << what and undress the nsa payola?
ThickAsThieves: btw, i reread the logs yesterday
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.074 = 0.37 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: and when i said "mah job!"
ThickAsThieves: i totally misunderstood what you were asking bitcoingirl to do
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform also a good line :p
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves hehe i thought so.
ThickAsThieves: didnt realize it was an mpex promo thing
ThickAsThieves: dafuck, their donate page is vastly lacking in info
mircea_popescu: you don't say.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 20 @ 0.0324999 = 0.65 BTC [+] {3}
ThickAsThieves: possibly to an illegal degree
mircea_popescu: dude what the fuck have i been sayinbg for a year over here already!
mircea_popescu: they ran off top the uk because the us le was starting to ask questions
ThickAsThieves: you know the saying,
mircea_popescu: you can also ask about that, what's the plan, once the uk starts asking questions they move it to panama ?
ThickAsThieves: I'll see it when I believe it.
ThickAsThieves: i emailed
ThickAsThieves: we'll see if i get a Murck-y responde
ThickAsThieves: response
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.06474168 = 0.1942 BTC [-] {2}
ozbot: Twitter / The1KingDragon: The latest @TheCryptoRush: ...
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29850 @ 0.00085181 = 25.4265 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: there it is.
ozbot: Brain-dead on the boardwalk: Folks ‘agree with Obama’ that not liking Mexican food is racist -
mircea_popescu: hey fluffypony "Bella 'sta storia e chi la sente, bella la gente ca la racconta, bella la terra ca nun sâ scorda, bella Michela ca nun s'arrènne."
mircea_popescu: so, beautiful the story and whoever hears it, beautiful the people that tell it, beautiful land that won't forget, beautiful michela that won't... yield ?
mircea_popescu: or wtf is arrenne
fluffypony: dialect, I'd have to ask my nonno
mircea_popescu: so ask teh nonno.
fluffypony: phoning him now
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.46 = 2.3 BTC [+]
fluffypony: lol plz hold, nonna first has to complain about how she's going blind and my nonno is a lazy ass
mircea_popescu: it waited 3 centuries, it'll wait out your cell battery too :D
ThickAsThieves: michele that won't scar?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: did that solder job stay affixed?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform for ~ a year.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves nah, i suspect it's a cognate of arrender
mircea_popescu: arrendar*
asciilifeform: looks exactly like those infernal 'dell' power jacks
asciilifeform: i fixed at least 3 as a student, for various folks
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform iirc it was a dell.
fluffypony: Beautiful story to who can hear it, nice the people that tell the story, pretty the earth that doesn't forget it, beautiful Michela that didn't forget it.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 135 @ 0.00088925 = 0.12 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: a decade later, i still recognized those 3 thermal vias
mircea_popescu: pain, you know ?
mircea_popescu: best way to form memories.
mircea_popescu: "the idea of "ten million dollars" really need to start meaning something again."
mircea_popescu: lol gawker going nuts. sure it will. 10 mn btc means a scary shitload of alot.
asciilifeform: when do we ask for 10m rubles to mean something ?
mircea_popescu: 10mn rubles mean you've not been drinking enough for a while.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.06474168 = 0.6474 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.03300179 = 0.33 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 7819 @ 0.00012213 = 0.9549 BTC [-] {17}
fluffypony: dat increase sekuriteez
benkay: good morning!
benkay: mike_c: thanks for the bitbet rotator :)
mike_c: you're welcome!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 3607 @ 0.00017829 = 0.6431 BTC [-] {32}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25400 @ 0.00085126 = 21.622 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.46999993 = 1.41 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.47 = 1.88 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33550 @ 0.00085137 = 28.5635 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2864 @ 0.00085194 = 2.44 BTC [+]
mike_c: v2, with linking to the right bet:
ozbot: BitBet Affiliate Ad - Btc Alpha
ozbot: Twitter / blockchain: Is there anything more ...
fluffypony: "Is there anything more inspirational than a talk about #bitcoin by Andreas Antonopoulos? @aantonop"
pankkake: so you're not even serving your own address a few percent of the time?
fluffypony: all hail our great overlord Andreas!
mike_c: pankkake: just 0.1%. i'm not greedy
pankkake: well, you should state so then!
mike_c: i kid, i kid.
pankkake: ahah
pankkake: it's easy to bypass with the image only, anyway
mike_c: yeah
pankkake: perhaps leave a donation address, as I would definitively donate if it earned me something
mike_c: if you make any money (and my script doesn't steal it) you can WoT me :)
fluffypony: u wot m8
pankkake: ;;rated mike_c
gribble: You rated user mike_c on Mon May 5 14:54:20 2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: small atc transaction + he does great stuff with
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.0734999 = 0.5145 BTC [-]
gribble: Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!', is identified as user 'thestringpuller', with GPG key id 0FF2943DA179E169, key fingerprint 6ACE36E786F39A4ADC4506DE0FF2943DA179E169, and bitcoin address None
thestringpuller: ;;rate pankkake "Gives French people a good name."
gribble: Error: 'Gives French people a good name.' is not a valid integer.
thestringpuller: ;;rate pankkake 1 "Gives French people a good name."
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user pankkake has been recorded.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 67 @ 0.006023 = 0.4035 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0315111 = 0.1576 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0733999 = 0.1468 BTC [-] {2}
thestringpuller: !ticker m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00084554 / 0.00085283 / 0.00085994 (728540 shares, 621.32 BTC), 7D: 0.00083786 / 0.00092644 / 0.00098485 (4953038 shares, 4,588.71 BTC), 30D: 0.00083786 / 0.00095915 / 0.00101 (19816431 shares, 19,007.06 BTC)
bitcoinpete: << matonis discovers the west indes. or at least the teutons
ozbot: Twitter / jonmatonis: On Reusing Bitcoin Addresses ...
Apocalyptic: dat matonis
thestringpuller: dat matonis tho, he's actually wanting to build a relationship with #bitcoin-assets?
bitcoinpete: thestringpuller: almost seems like it
bitcoinpete: don't count him out on timisoara/lower americas next year
bitcoinpete: <<one of these is nic cary. can you spot waldo?
ozbot: New York Ideas - AtlanticLIVE - The Atlantic
Apocalyptic: pankkake, you wrote "Private keys have only one address" on bitcoinpete's article
pankkake: are you going to nitpick? :)
Apocalyptic: are you really sure you want to claim that ?
Apocalyptic: it's not nitpicking if it's outright wrong right ? :)
fluffypony: WWE RAW, Bitcoin Assets Smackdown edition
pankkake: besides the various forms of writing an address, I guess there are RIPEMD-160 collisions?
Apocalyptic: obviously
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: That actually gets said a lot by fans of the same team.
fluffypony: just not of opposing teams
pankkake: the most entertaining part of sports is supporters
thestringpuller: bitcoinpete: i like tho how people are following trilema-esque articles now in relation to bitcoin with the big push from your blog
thestringpuller: originally mircea_popescu said when dealing with the press: "don't, they are too stupid to live" or something thereof
bitcoinpete: someone has to bridge the gap between the intelligencia and the drooling masses
bitcoinpete: it won't happen overnight
bitcoinpete: and i don't mind dealing with the press
mike_c: that gap is unbridgeable. ask hanbot.
bitcoinpete: more blogs like thickasthieves and further helping to broaden our network
bitcoinpete: giving support to what was otherwise a lone voice in the wilderness
Apocalyptic: hum i see cryptorush was discussed this morning
Apocalyptic: haven't these guys given up already ?
bitcoinpete: mike_c the gap for all is unbridgeable, but there are some caught in the thorns that can be freed
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2507 @ 0.00085321 = 2.139 BTC [+]
artifexd: As evidenced by the slowly growing population of this channel?
fluffypony: ;;later tell thickasthieves don't worry bro, Reddit's got this, Bitcoin is going to sponsor a UFC fighter:
gribble: The operation succeeded.
fluffypony: Apocalyptic: no
mike_c: a noble goal, good luck with it :) certainly a task i don't envy.
Apocalyptic: fluffypony:WHY ARE PEOPLE SO FUCKING RETARDED // cause they think they can build an exchange
Apocalyptic: whereas they don't have a single clue
fluffypony: Apocalyptic: but don't worry, despite being gutted and having a scam-IPO to rebuild they're going to use MongoDB because it solves everything!
fluffypony: it's WEB SCALE!
Apocalyptic: at this point the only thing that comes to mind is : "i don't even..."
Naphex: scale wat
Naphex: 3 visits/s
pankkake: mongodb is also decentralized
pankkake: so it solves everything. twice.
fluffypony: pankkake: exactly
fluffypony: who needs 1 trade to be confirmed
fluffypony: when you can have 3 different trades confirmed at the same time
Apocalyptic: "King Dragon @The1KingDragon Security Professional, CEO CryptoRush"
fluffypony: it's like a triple spend
bitcoinpete: artifexd: yes, exactly
Apocalyptic: these are some epic credentials
pankkake: innovative features like negative balances!
bitcoinpete: mike_c: noble goals or nothing
ozbot: 8.001 billion | Next Diff in 956 blocks | Estimated Change: 7.4079% in 6d 3h 29m 55s
fluffypony: pankkake: eventual consistency, within 3 weeks!
thestringpuller: bitcoinpete: What do you think will be the "premiere" archive of information? I imagine all the good info in BingoBoingo ThickAsThieves Trilema your's and other blogs will eventually be archived into the "Manual for the Bitcoin n00b"
pankkake: there is the wiki
bitcoinpete: thestringpuller: this is something we've discussed before i believe… and there's no one clear answer.
bitcoinpete: the wiki is one
bitcoinpete: ultimately, there's no replacement for reading the logs and the blogs
pankkake: I guess you end up reading old, important artists with all the links
pankkake: articles*
bitcoinpete: eventually, i see fewer people walking into bitcoin (and assets) like they own the place
bitcoinpete: meaning that those entering the space will appreciate how little they know
bitcoinpete: this humility comes with a measure of diligence
bitcoinpete: and patience
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: That's a good question. I imagine we'll fill the wiki with important points over time, but in the long run it will probably be spread over the blogs. Maybe when it becomes a concern there might be a discussion of some sort of archive-assets for blogs that lose viability to to operator inability to continue them.
thestringpuller: that's interesting bitcoinpete
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.075 = 0.15 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: because i had a discussion recently on the "true n00b"
thestringpuller: a n00b that isn't willfully ignorant
thestringpuller: n00bs that are willfully ignorant will fight to defend said ignorance
bitcoinpete: thestringpuller: the true n00b is already losing interest in bitcoin, though "cryptocurrency in general" still has their attention
bitcoinpete: thus, doge, etc
thestringpuller: ah so the true n00b usually has a short attention span like the kids of the MTV generation @_@
BingoBoingo: Well, it is hard to characterize the eventual trajectory of any given true n00b.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 31 @ 0.03349595 = 1.0384 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.03151121 = 0.2521 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 8 @ 0.06474168 = 0.5179 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.0335 = 0.268 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.03151113 = 0.2521 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 8 @ 0.06474168 = 0.5179 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.0335 = 0.268 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.0315111 = 0.2521 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 8 @ 0.06474168 = 0.5179 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.07249999 = 1.0875 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.0335 = 0.268 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.03151105 = 0.2521 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 8 @ 0.06474168 = 0.5179 BTC [-] {2}
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0335 = 0.1005 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.06474168 = 0.1942 BTC [-] {2}
fluffypony: pankkake: YOU TOO CAN OWN A PIECE OF THIS WIKI!
fluffypony: I started typing a reply to them but ya know
fluffypony: I actually can't bring myself to finish it
pankkake: self moderated
pankkake: "Our target is to raise 15 BTC", lol
fluffypony: we should do an IPO for Wikipedia
fluffypony: on BitcoinBourse
Apocalyptic: pankkake is to be chairman imo
fluffypony: definitely
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.06474168 = 0.1295 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: fluffypony: going to sponsor a UFC fighter << never having known of 'UFC', i assumed that it referred to an 'unmanned flying competition' - i.e. drone dogfight tourney.
asciilifeform: which would be indeed interesting
fluffypony: now that I would sponsor
asciilifeform: 'bb' caliber cannons. or, alternatively and more simply, rams.
bitcoinpete: ;;later tell heysteve i haven't seen your links on crytocoinnews so feel free to pass them along!
gribble: The operation succeeded.
fluffypony: ;;later tell mircea_popescu my nonna phoned me back to say that they were discussing the piece of poetry, and she suggests this alternative: "This is a beautiful story for whoever listens to it, beautiful the people that tell the story, beautiful the land that cannot be forgotten, beautiful Michela she will be"
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I imagine the drones having hardening foams and nets, seem more likely to cripple competing aircraft.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: only the ones with exposed rotors.
BingoBoingo: I could see a sticky hardening foam interfering with the aerodynamics of non-rotor aircraft
BingoBoingo: I'm thinking of the stuff developed a while back for non-lethal anti personel use
asciilifeform: there is enough 'design space' to make the tourney interesting. e.g. a smaller and more maneuverable craft is harder to blast with the glue gun, etc.
asciilifeform: excess engines will withstand some glue, but draw more power. use imagination.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.4699999 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: some tricks would probably have to be excluded (e.g. radio jamming)
asciilifeform: or, at least, stipulate in the rules that both fighters must share a channel
asciilifeform: (jam opponent, jam self)
fluffypony: bitcoinpete: <- HeySteve's profile on CCN
asciilifeform: '"We can turn your computer into a brick," U.S. officials told the
asciilifeform: startled executives, according to a participant in the meeting.'
asciilifeform: please do! i need a brick.
pankkake: is there a rss feed per author on cryptocoinnews?
pankkake: yep! cool
asciilifeform: ^ this might be a 'badBet.'
asciilifeform: it is possible to trigger earthquake artificially.
davout: asciilifeform: prolly not a mega one tho
davout: :D
mike_c: it has minimum of 8.0 Mw. that would be impressive if manmade.
asciilifeform: davout: how 'mega' would depend on the tectonics of a particular location.
pankkake: can you produce an earthquake for 0.14 BTC?
davout: asciilifeform: are you implying that a human action could have some influence on the tectonic movements leading to an earthquake?
asciilifeform: davout: sure.
fluffypony: pankkake: hah found it
asciilifeform: at least two known methods.
davout: pankkake: doubtful, the last japenese earthquake cost sthg like 750,000
asciilifeform: cost?! to produce?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24579 @ 0.00085321 = 20.971 BTC [+]
davout: asciilifeform: enlighten me
asciilifeform: one - nuke
asciilifeform: other - tesla's apparatus
davout: yeah, thought about that one, might require an extremely massive one tho, or maybe very well positioned
asciilifeform: tesla's apparatus was briefcase-sized. and, according to rumour, the experiment has been replicated since. but, to no one's great surprise, the data in open literature is very scarce.
davout: "other - tesla's apparatus" <<< how? i would have said the second method involved some sort of sending waves through the earth and manage to use some sort of resonance phenomenon
asciilifeform: that was indeed it.
davout: oh, guess i was confused about what tesla's apparatus is
davout: != tesla coils
asciilifeform: no coils involved
asciilifeform: mike_c: i would expect the results to depend heavily on the surroundings.
asciilifeform: mike_c: ever do the famous oscilloscope and breaking glass experiment?
mike_c: no, you can break glass with an oscilloscope?
asciilifeform: no - with a loudspeaker.
mike_c: smack the glass with the oscilliscope?
asciilifeform: similar to what opera singers have done as a party trick
davout: mike_c: no with a loudspeaker dummy
mike_c: my way sounds easier
asciilifeform: but with an automated widget that determines the glass's resonant freq.
davout: asciilifeform: you go to weird parties
ozbot: breaking a wine glass using resonance - YouTube
asciilifeform: anyone who played on a swing as a child has experienced a pumped oscillator.
mike_c: whoa. that video is cool. that glass is shaking.
asciilifeform: ;;google tacoma narrows bridge
gribble: Tacoma Narrows Bridges - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <>; Tacoma Narrows Bridge (1940) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <>; Tacoma Narrows Bridge Collapse "Gallopin' Gertie" - YouTube: <>
asciilifeform: same thing, but accidental - on a larger scale.
mike_c: comments on that video are good too :) "Thanks now my crt is broken"
kakobrekla: who rang?
asciilifeform: tesla's hammer is often said to be 'debunked' because, placed in an arbitrary patch of ground, it is unlikely to do much.
mike_c: kakobrekla: we were looking for clarification on bitbet affiliate rules.
kakobrekla: which part
mike_c: like, is referral cookie good for all bets or just the one you sent them to?
kakobrekla: should be good for 30 days
kakobrekla: irrespective of anything else
kakobrekla: but really
kakobrekla: feel free to look at the code
mike_c: plus, the ref cookie only seems to be good for an hour.
kakobrekla: whut?
mike_c: when I looked at the cookie it said it expired in an hour.
kakobrekla: when did you set it?
bitcoinpete: fluffypony: good find!
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
kakobrekla: should be 30 days
kakobrekla: but dunno, ill take a look
mike_c: um
mike_c: JS date time is in milliseconds
mike_c: i think you're missing a (* 1000)
kakobrekla: ZOMG.
kakobrekla parted #bitcoin-assets
assbot: Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. (
davout: !bash 4
asciilifeform: to finish the previous story - not everything is a wine glass. but anything that can be induced to behave like one, can be broken in just this way.
asciilifeform: if you can induce oscillations strong enough to stretch the materials past breaking point.
asciilifeform: (which is exactly how 'brissance' works, in explosion)
mike_c: reason #1483 why javascript is retarded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11134 @ 0.00085094 = 9.4744 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: mike_c should be fixed nao
kakobrekla: js made me a scammer :(
mike_c: confirmed fixed. cookie expires on June 5 now.
kakobrekla: you got a mention in the sauce.
mike_c: nice :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20100 @ 0.0008509 = 17.1031 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.4699999 BTC [-]
ozbot: Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: @pro2rat @jonmatonis @bitcoinpete ...
mircea_popescu: god help us.
mircea_popescu: self-lubricating assholes and uvula orgasms could be a reality inside Maude, why not.
mircea_popescu: <pankkake> besides the various forms of writing an address, I guess there are RIPEMD-160 collisions? << a ripemd-160 collision that'd make two diff bitcoin addresses out of one key is kinda improbable even theoretically tho
pankkake: yeah so stop nitpicking Apocalyptic
mircea_popescu: <fluffypony> ;;later tell BingoBoingo << no actually i said that. sorry.
TomServo: mircea_popescu: I seem to recall you mentioning Piketty, but don't recall the context. Was it regarding his book?
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: yes but you're a rational human being
fluffypony: who can think
fluffypony: and reason
mircea_popescu: <mike_c> that gap is unbridgeable. ask hanbot. << hanbot teh bridge builder. in full leather regalia and with three whips and twoi lashes in each hand.
TomServo: More to the point, is his book worth reading?
mircea_popescu: <Apocalyptic> haven't these guys given up already ? << i was kinda surprised myself.
ozbot: BitBet - BTC worth over $5000 before 2015
BingoBoingo: Bridges built with Ginger roots.
mircea_popescu: <pankkake> so it solves everything. twice. << 8 lines bashed. omfg i spilled. bwahahahaha
mircea_popescu: TomServo yes.
mircea_popescu: and depends what your interest is. my mention was something to the effect of, "some frenchie took the pseudo-statistics that yielded the golf club pattern in climate pseudo-science and applied it to pseudo-economics"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11171 @ 0.00085254 = 9.5237 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: <Apocalyptic> "King Dragon @The1KingDragon Security Professional, CEO CryptoRush" << FUCK YOU. he's a KING dragon.
mircea_popescu: <fluffypony> pankkake: eventual consistency, within 3 weeks! << for all the beating eventual consistency gets, the sad secret elephant in the room is that all business in the history of business for the past 1k years has been of the eventual consistency types. what do you think double entry accounting is.
mircea_popescu: business runs on ec.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller yeah ideally the wiki should end up a sort of short story of all the blawgs.
fluffypony: sure, but a cryptocurrency trading website needs to be able to enact trades in real time in a monolithic fashion
fluffypony: !up JorgePasada
assbot: Voicing JorgePasada for 30 minutes.
benkay: ;;gettrust assbot JorgePasada
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user JorgePasada: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: Tue Apr 29 15:07:18 2014
benkay: he can up hisself, fluffypony
mircea_popescu: yes, this is true, money changers didn't traditionally run like banks.
fluffypony: benkay: yes but I want to talk to him
JorgePasada: benkay: Not gonna make the meetup tonight, I'll be down later in the week though
benkay: see you sometime, frere.
fluffypony: JorgePasada: I see our friends in the Neo&Bee thread don't understand that when you and I say "creditor" we mean "creditor" and not "investor"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0330001 = 0.165 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: the mystery lemma of -assets is that no matter in what asshole of the world any one assetteer lives, there's at least one that lives within visiting distance.
mircea_popescu: it's almost as if we inhabit a theoretical topological construct rather than irl.
JorgePasada: fluffypony: People throw words around with absolute certainty and complete disregard for actual meaning
JorgePasada: and the worst part is they don't even try to question their own understanding and/or more accurately drill down on meaning
mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete: eventually, i see fewer people walking into bitcoin (and assets) like they own the place << kinda what i'm trying to get with the trouting various clueless twits a la courtois. "it ain't yo momma's btc, yo! show some respek!"
asciilifeform: did anyone ever ferret out who courtois is/was ?
mircea_popescu: JorgePasada well you know, if one can't reach eventual intellectual consistency through logical means, the only method available is not asking questions.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform some random dood aspiring to academia, i had his page somewhere.
asciilifeform: that paper was a true masterpiece of the 'chicken recipe' where the chicken never turned up.
ozbot: Nicolas T. COURTOIS' research in cryptography
mircea_popescu: check out the new/bomb bullets.
JorgePasada: mircea_popescu: Is that the Intellectual consistency through ignorance approach?
asciilifeform: GOST !?!
mircea_popescu: he has an entire list of derp there. "On Subversive Miner Strategies and Block Withholding Attack in Bitcoin Digital Currency"
asciilifeform: how the hell does one cryptanalyze gost without the s-boxes
mircea_popescu: JorgePasada yup. can't be beat.
mircea_popescu: (classical period "invincible ignorance")
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, i was thinking, o look what cryptologia publishes now.
mircea_popescu: i must admit i never looked at one since 2005 or w/e it moved
asciilifeform: didn't miss much.
mircea_popescu: but in the 80s i recall it being somewhat of a big deal
mircea_popescu: course, 80s cryptology. heh.
JorgePasada: mircea_popescu: The scary part is when they fit data to their ideas/ideals instead of the other way around
JorgePasada: Hard not to though
mircea_popescu puts on his metaphysician hat. JorgePasada nothing that necessarily is could be scary, necessarily
asciilifeform: as far as i can see, this fellow's a genuine, if unimaginative crypto type. and bitcoin is now part of the mandatory 'gentleman's set' of topics such a creature must at least pretend to show an interest in. hence paper.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform exactly.
JorgePasada: :-) Too meta for today, I'm in getting shit done mode before this Amsterdam trip.
mircea_popescu: and the way he goers about it makes one fucking petrified of these folks' general competence and ability as displayed at the daily business of their chosen field.
asciilifeform: this is a sadder discovery than i expected - (expected a green grad student or somesuch)
mircea_popescu: it's as if you were a woman, and visited gynecologists monthly, until one day when you discovered they decided football was part of gynecology, and then kept running into one another on the field like drunk sperms.
mircea_popescu: at which point you're suddenly afraid to let them use metal objects on your soft bit.
asciilifeform: of course i can picture another scenario
asciilifeform: where crypto academics are quietly slipped various turds to print under their names. 'can also have problems.'
mircea_popescu: you can, but i'm taking bets against that.
asciilifeform: i'd have bet, on account of the first page or two of the turd smelling of crafted disinfo
asciilifeform: but having ingested the entire rotten egg - no bet.
mircea_popescu: no psyop in the world can compile disinfo of the level ignorance & stupidity can.
mircea_popescu: see, specialisation refines and improves the quality of one's corectness.
mircea_popescu: it does not however help the quality of one's error.
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mircea_popescu: the best error, like the best entropy, is the result of a different approach than culture.
BingoBoingo: It's why Hearn gets suspected of disinfo and this guy is suspected of lazy and ignorant
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mircea_popescu: hearn's not very good at it.
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mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: I imagine we'll fill the wiki with important points over time << as stan'd say, i can also see another scenario, where the wiki is still where it's now, a decade later.
BingoBoingo: Also a possibility
mircea_popescu: "DarknetMarkets IPVO"
mircea_popescu: holy shit. the ipo of an anon entity ? logic just got knotted into a pretzel and ate itself.
mircea_popescu: "so i contributed some equity" "to whom ?" "to someone" "so what do you want ?" "a share of the profit" "of whom ?!" "of someone"
mircea_popescu: "well perhaps you should sue ?" "ok." *files suit against "someone"*
mircea_popescu: *suit gets rejected for lack of venue, failure to state a claim, failure to file and failure to fail*
mircea_popescu: "oh this opressive government and the fucking courts which we can say we live in a tyrannical tyranny!11"
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: 'bb' caliber cannons. or, alternatively and more simply, rams. << i remember watching a rather interesting "electricity stealing" competition among some flying items a few years ago.
mircea_popescu: trying to evolve drone designs
mircea_popescu: fluffypony im kinda after the root of that arrenne magical word. i'm pretty sure it's neither to forget nor to be.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: unfortunately the grandparents I have that are still alive are very peasant, so I'm not going to get much more out of them
mircea_popescu: well if they were from calabria...
mircea_popescu: they're not huh.
fluffypony: no, unfortunately not
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mircea_popescu: but look at the beauty of what is (could be) in a word :
fluffypony: Sicily (nonna) and Modena (nonno)
ozbot: Dankcoin
mircea_popescu: if it's indeed arrendar, one's to explain how the hell vulgar latin yielded the same thing in south italy and in south spain
mircea_popescu: and moreover, why the d is rendered as n in a double n, wtf, this isn't even a documented consonant migration afaik
mircea_popescu: i'd have to spend weeks with recordings of ethnology and folklore to listen for the double n construct tho, and i obviously have not the time for it.
mircea_popescu: Members Online Now : Atruk, hyperiond, bitkill, jurov, coinminer69er, bertani Total: 68 (members: 6, guests: 57, robots: 5)
mircea_popescu: that thing isn't really doing that bad.
BingoBoingo: No it isn't at all.
mircea_popescu: "Join me & meet the old & new in payments (@AmericanExpress, @Visa, & @RippleLabs)"
mircea_popescu: it'd seem to me the principal utility of ripple these days is so that banking idiots who wish to spend longer with their head in the sand can pretend like they're not.
mircea_popescu: also in the news, Human Rights Watch :
mircea_popescu: MP : The point of womanhood is for the woman to start a new life, as a new person, once she sexually matures.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the best error << see 'precision vs. accuracy', as (perhaps even still?) taught in school
jurov: what? i've not been logged on several days
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform mhm.
mircea_popescu: twitter : "25 hedge fund managers earned more than double every kindergarten teacher combined. But who created more value?" mp : "Definitely no kindergarten "teacher" ever created any value. Just trying to claim the workings of nature for themselves."
mircea_popescu: i wonder if i'll end up banned eventually.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I don't think twitter really bans.
thestringpuller: For quite awhile now, kids have had a real anxiety about being separated from their phone, but today it was near panic. I am hoping by tomorrow some of the novelty will have worn off and we can get back to business.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo didn't they ban that uk fellow recently ?
pankkake: ;;tslb
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I didn't hear anything like that. Could also be dumb UK stuff?
gribble: Time since last block: 1 hour, 18 minutes, and 44 seconds
atcbot: 9 minutes and 25 seconds
asciilifeform: every kindergarten teacher combined << add up the earnings of all of the garbagemen in your country. and to see what value they create, visit a city with 'garbage strike'
asciilifeform: these actually happen in usa
mircea_popescu: "Today was the first day in a long time I actually took phones away. I have no idea what all was included in the update, but you would have thought it was crack. They seriously could not keep away from it. I even had one girl crawl under the table with her phone."
mircea_popescu: lol crack.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they happen more in italy.
asciilifeform: to folks with this particular form of brain damage, garbageman should seem like the height of occupational importance pyramid
mircea_popescu: but a garbageman does something useful. a kindergarten teacher perhaps, some places. NOT in ussr, and not in ussa tho. most emphatically not.
asciilifeform: in ussr they at least occasionally administered medicinal beatings
mircea_popescu: nothing medicinal about beating 3 yos.
mircea_popescu: too soon.
mircea_popescu: children are born cowardly, if your preschooler can't be controlled by scowling you need to work on your warface.
asciilifeform: 3yo should learn to see a (correctly sized) thrashing as something ordinary
mike_c: +1 i can stop my son in his tracks with my warface.
mircea_popescu: maybe with a newspaper, asciilifeform
asciilifeform: plastic ruler, more traditional
mircea_popescu: i mean, i think we know i'm no priss, and so im not speaking from some locus of nonsensical ideology.
mircea_popescu: but teh beating of single digit aged ppls is dysfunctional.
asciilifeform: ussr was set up as bone-simple, rather than optimal, apparatus.
mircea_popescu: this is true.
asciilifeform: re: drone competition - flying machine enthusiasts are surprisingly tradition-bound
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo iirc he said something or the other about some stadium accident. beautyon has the story.
asciilifeform: i've yet to meet one that would take seriously the idea of using a 'spaceball' for control, in place of the nonsensical double mini-joystick (inherited from model cars!)
mircea_popescu: that's weird...
asciilifeform: 'spaceball' is a beautiful thing. not to be confused with trackball
asciilifeform: it doesn't rotate freely in its pedestal - only twists. along any axis.
mircea_popescu: i imagined surely they must have smartphone accelerometer as an interface
mircea_popescu: perhaps the dominant one by now
asciilifeform: at least one toy store variant does
asciilifeform: hard to control throttle / accessories that way, though
mircea_popescu: anyway, stupid for spaceball to not market itself as "magic wand"
mircea_popescu: add a stick to the ball.
asciilifeform: tilted phone is also difficult to return to neutral
asciilifeform: whereas spaceball need only be released
asciilifeform: this is why the ball needs pedestal
asciilifeform: (spaceball is visible in my ancient robo-widget spam -
mircea_popescu: "At that point I took all the phones away and we had a little reminder chat about when it was appropriate to use your phone and when it was not. Also that it was rarely appropriate to hide under the table." chetty check this out : no longer appropriate to hide under desk in the us school system.
asciilifeform: ;;google bert the turtle
gribble: Duck And Cover (1951) Bert The Turtle Civil Defense Film - YouTube: <>; Duck and Cover (film) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <>; Bert The Turtle (The Duck And Cover Song) - Atomic Platters: <>
ozbot: Richard Stallman Answers Your Questions - Slashdot
chetty: what, no more hide from the nukes under your desk???
pankkake: the questions and responses were actually interesting
asciilifeform: people laugh at bert the turtle
asciilifeform: because, 'once you see the flash, you've been xrayed'
asciilifeform: but the intent was to avoid being 'hedgehogged' by broken glass, among other things
asciilifeform: sitting under desk - wasn't an entirely dumb idea.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform seems that way to me. you'd want your butt over your head, not your head over your butt
mircea_popescu: tho gonads further complicate matters.
asciilifeform: afaik, that was specified
asciilifeform: once you see the flash, gonads are well-done
mircea_popescu: i guess the ideal underdesk packing would be butt, head, then torso atop and limbs atop that
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> once you see the flash, gonads are well-done << this is quite not true, actually.
asciilifeform: clearly depends on distance, etc
mircea_popescu: of course.
asciilifeform: anyone own one of those old 'nuke calculator' slide rules?
mircea_popescu: moreover, looky here : suppose you are a woman, for some reason. you are born with all your sex cells.
mircea_popescu: if you get blasted by ionizing radiatiopn, some will die
mircea_popescu: those will never mature
mircea_popescu: the remaining tho, will.
mircea_popescu: so you'll still be ovulating, esp as a young woman, no matter the dose.
asciilifeform: sure. question is, ovulating what.
mircea_popescu: not much of a question.
mircea_popescu: for the ovule to manage to come out it needs to pass a bunch of checks.
asciilifeform: so hypothesis here - hiroshima mutations are fallout effect, rather than xray?
asciilifeform: this is testable.
asciilifeform: somebody should find the remaining sephardim who were, at one point, 'deloused' in israel with... xray machine
BingoBoingo: Oh, Strontium 90
BingoBoingo: Cobalt 60
asciilifeform: another demographic - airplane stewardesses
asciilifeform: birth mutants, or no - ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform to a large degree, it hurts the fetuses, not the kids-to-be-born later
mircea_popescu: because fetuses rapidly divide
asciilifeform: checksums, sure.
asciilifeform: amplification of defect
mircea_popescu: it further hurts later conceptions because of the inside the womb radiation
mircea_popescu: (from say cesium lodged in the woman's basin)
asciilifeform: somewhere there lives an answer to this question. but i've a dump truck to move.
mircea_popescu: it's well known that airplane pilots tend to father girls
mircea_popescu: this, because cosmic rays kill the weaker male making sperm
mircea_popescu: the girls they make, however, are healthy.
mircea_popescu: benkay tweeted tat shit. lawl.
chetty: now why would male making sperm tend to be weaker? its an interesting question ..
mircea_popescu: because the male chromosome sucks and is larger and derpier
chetty decides to leave it at that
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Y chromosome is actually much small, contains less checksums.
mircea_popescu: “Alibaba is the fastest-growing Internet company in one of the fastest-growing economies in the world,” said Sameet Sinha
BingoBoingo: Girls get XX and hence more checksums
mircea_popescu: also biggest and oldest etc.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i thought the Y was longer by like 15%
mircea_popescu is not a biologist.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I dunno about physical size, but the Y contains much less encoding and information.
mircea_popescu: this is true, but i meant size
mircea_popescu: in things such as surviving a dose of xrays, it's counterintuitively your length more than your area that matters at subcellular level
BingoBoingo: It also matter that reduncancy is better than the lack thereof. Y is more vulnerable in both aspects.
mircea_popescu: !up blueocean
assbot: Voicing blueocean for 30 minutes.
blueocean: thank you mp, that was nice of you
mircea_popescu: who're you ?
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blueocean: i'm a human
mircea_popescu: that's a start.
blueocean: i just realized i've been using lol too much over the last few years. i apologize
mircea_popescu: fluffypony congrats on media whoring. can you offer text summary for the audio patience challenged ?
mircea_popescu: check that out ye people behind the plastic curtain :
mircea_popescu: you'll have even slower interwebz.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: unfortunately not, was off-the-cuff, but mostly just reiterated stuff I've mentioned in here before and did lots of marketing-droid-speak about The importance Of Adoption (tm)
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bitcoinpete: plastic curtain… i like that
mircea_popescu: feel free to steal it.
bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: ty
mircea_popescu: mike_c: it has minimum of 8.0 Mw. that would be impressive if manmade. << impressive ? if an 8.0 earthquake were man made i doubt we'd still have computers left tobitch about things.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: tesla's apparatus was briefcase-sized. and, according to rumour, the experiment has been replicated since. but, to no one's great surprise, the data in open literature is very scarce. << thatthing's like the water engine imo.
ozbot: Twitter / ErikVoorhees: Spent over 40 minutes on the ...
mircea_popescu: blueocean see, use kik instead of lol.
pankkake: lol, bitpay is using cloudflare
pankkake: I really need a firefox addon to display a red cloudflare warning…
bitcoinpete: all the muricans use cloudflare
pankkake: and of course I discover it because… the page isn't responding
pankkake: thank you cloudflare!!!
pankkake: you mean soundcloud? :)
pankkake: This page ( is currently offline. However, because the site uses CloudFlare's Always Online™ technology you can continue to surf a snapshot of the site
bitcoinpete: keeping the door open is more cost-effective than fisa, etc
pankkake: yeah, static copy of login page
mircea_popescu: how's the api doing ?
mircea_popescu: suppose im a merchant that just sold 10k btc worth of fresh salmon, am i fucked nao ?
pankkake: I hope it's not on the same servers :D
pankkake: I just wanted to know what was the purchase link I created a while back, I don't use the API
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: ZOMG. << OMFG KAKO!!11
kakobrekla: i know :/
mircea_popescu: here i sit crushing my and every expert's brain as to why the fucking hell of fuck does bitbet aff not take off
mircea_popescu: i have to find out from mike ?!
kakobrekla: maybe its time he takes over bb.
mircea_popescu: no, cause that's too much hard work for no cookies
fluffypony: pankkake, when we had our Bitcoin Black Friday special their API was unavailable
kakobrekla: on the bright side, it was off by just a 1000.
pankkake: millions invested, can't even pay for real DDoS protection or servers
mircea_popescu: pankkake aww.
mircea_popescu: in george's words, "bear in mind we at least paid to spraypaint a crackwhore!"
mircea_popescu: srs bzns
pankkake: that was them?
mircea_popescu: iirc ? no ?
mircea_popescu: the golden horror ?
pankkake: they paid for the wall
mircea_popescu: uh. so who paid for the girl then ?!
mircea_popescu: the risk of paying for walls : you may end up associated with the hobo pissing on them
pankkake: triple m…
bitcoinpete: like the tape
pankkake: with some "ooo" in it
mircea_popescu: triple moo ? what ?
pankkake: triple goatse
mircea_popescu: uh ok. ty!
mircea_popescu: so bitpay shared a wall with the guys.
mircea_popescu: "bitpay, premier non redundant birtcoin service, powered by triple 000 media" says that wall.
bitcoinpete: and 000 shared a girl with a canadian tuxedo
mircea_popescu: specifically, the 1px thin lower border resulting from some real clever monkey in the photo chop seat.
bitcoinpete: lol that's an awful website
bitcoinpete: i wouldn't hire them to mow my lawn
mircea_popescu: would you hire them to mew your lown ?
pankkake: yet they spent money on conference promo when they have nothing to show
mircea_popescu: pankkake clearly you don't understand the party culture.
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mircea_popescu: people buy the whole bar rounds when they have no good story to tell / no good toast to make all the damned time.
bitcoinpete: my lown was borned mewed
pankkake: I remember the day I got free drinks thanks to GitHub. Gave the tip to a bunch of people, most of them didn't even know what GitHub was
mircea_popescu: i hope you didn't refer to those people as "guys"
pankkake: apparently the tab was a few thousands
mircea_popescu: or w/e, mecs
pankkake: IIRC there was only one girl :(
mircea_popescu: what's gals in french again ? can't be you guys go around saying copine or some shit
pankkake: the year after, you had to register to be allowed in :D
pankkake: meuf, fille, gonzesse
mircea_popescu: meuf aok
mircea_popescu: btw, am i the only one to remember mlouf, the foot-face thing ?
pankkake: meuf would be the more common / younger saying
pankkake: I'm probably too young for it. I haven't read much Pif either
pankkake: you were reading communist Pif, I was reading capitalist Picsou
decimation: asciilifeform: anyone own one of those old 'nuke calculator' slide rules? << Herr Walker simluates one and describes how to build one on his site
mircea_popescu: pankkake nah, i had the complete editions valliant, 1952 to 1970ish, bound in yearly tomes
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benkay: bitcoin agency?
benkay: not in the web of trust?
benkay: bitch please.
benkay: far as i can see there's precisely one agency in the WoT.
mircea_popescu: oh i guess you're right, it was some front populaire thing
mircea_popescu: benkay what are they supposed to be doing ?
mircea_popescu: other than being the first and largest agency, ofcourse.
pankkake: Pif was edited by l'Humanité, the communist newspaper (still active). though surpringly there wasn't much propaganda
benkay: agency is a web 3.14 name for a contract development shop.
benkay: pretty sure i own the only contract development shop in the wot, but i'd be thrilled to meet some others.
mircea_popescu: benkay well, tell them :D
bitcoinpete: "BTC China announced via Twitter today that it has suspended Chinese yuan deposits from the Bank of China"
benkay: what, and help the competition?
benkay: mircea_popescu: if they can't figure out where the money is i don't want to meet them.
mircea_popescu: benkay you get to find out if it's the sort of competition you'd be better served working together with.
benkay: unless of course they're the kind of whores that need pimping...
mircea_popescu: pankkake : vaillant, French publisher, founded in July 1946 by the Front Patriotique de la Jeunesse (FPJ)
mircea_popescu: twasn't published by l'humanite
decimation: asciilifeform: (19-03-2014) as always, when using a technical pidgin like english, everybody loses something. << learning some German taught me how dumb English is: no grammatical cases, no genders, irregular endings, irregular pronunciation
mircea_popescu: In the 80's it merged with Éditions J becoming Éditions Vaillant-Miroir Sprint (VMS) (by then i wasn't paying attention anymore)
mircea_popescu: decimation you know i just had this dispute with native speaker today ? because she said "tuna" with a plain u like in cartoon
pankkake: L'Humanité is Pif. Front Patriotique de la Jeunesse definitively sounds like traditional right
mircea_popescu: and i coulnd't make it out because obviously it's tjuna
mircea_popescu: otherwise you'd spell it fucking toona
decimation: lol yeah that
mircea_popescu: so we went into exploration and discovered that indeed, plain u is ju, otherwise neat u is oo
mircea_popescu: except... "not in american english"
mircea_popescu: so, there's two fucking levels of pigdinization, and only the 2nd layer actually killed the possibility of expression
decimation: most americans I know pronounce it toona
mircea_popescu: the english did have shakespeare
decimation: the US was so overpopulated with Germans 100 years ago that they shaped American English
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decimation: the other weird thing about US vs UK english is that the UK pronounce foreign words ... in English
mircea_popescu: pankkake l'humanite was actually printed by jaures/the pcf
decimation: "Don Jewan" indeed
mircea_popescu: admittedly, a distinction very fine.
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benkay: !up AndrewJackson
assbot: Voicing AndrewJackson for 30 minutes.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.072 = 0.432 BTC [+]
benkay: in other news, AWS claims that their log files are space delimited.
benkay: this is true.
benkay: additionally, some of their fields have spaces in them as well.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11461 @ 0.00085636 = 9.8147 BTC [+]
benkay: is it unreasonable to expect that a delimeter not be used in fields?
benkay: i'm new to this pressed shitboard thing and can never tell if a thing is done incorrectly or if there's a deeper shitboard reason for the derptastic engineering.
thestringpuller: benkay yo yo yo
benkay: what's up fellow
mircea_popescu: benkay this design is nonsense, i don't care wtf.
benkay: thestringpuller: you pang?
mircea_popescu: why not just use csv, it'a a fuckin standard
benkay: can't tell if 'design' or just derps lifted out of someone else's DC for their 2 years in aws.
benkay: ;;google cascadian hacker remote hands
gribble: The Tragedy of Remote Hands - 'Canadian Bitcoins' robbed of 143.94: <>; Cascadian Hacker: <>; Webwallets Will Always Fail - Fr33aid's wallet robbed, Blockchain ...: < (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: benkay of course, traditional webserver access logs (the sort awstats processes) are in fact space separated
mircea_popescu: but the fields do not cointain spaces
mircea_popescu: (urls are encoded, so it'd be %20)
benkay: is the notion that because it's in square brackets it'd be fine to include a space?
benkay: or do i need to write a state machine generator generator to identify unix time machines?
mircea_popescu: if the field is documented as [to] then i guess
benkay: lol unix time machines
mircea_popescu: course why the fuck do they not use the already conventrional ""
mircea_popescu: is beyond me.
mircea_popescu: [28/Apr/2013:03:01:16 +0000] vs "GET /PlantlustProgAccess?max-keys=1000 HTTP/1.1"
mircea_popescu: everyone gotta be speshal
benkay: fuck. everyone. involved.
mircea_popescu: coula just went "28/Apr/2013:03:01:16 +0000" and you probably would have never even realised.
benkay: at least the number of fields is consistent. only saving grace.
benkay: naw, imma notice whitespace no matter where it is.
benkay: i mean give me a fn delimiter and i'm going to delimit on that.
benkay: ~>
ThickAsThieves: motherfucking fuck
ThickAsThieves: as part of this solar install we werse sold a hybrid water heater
kakobrekla: and soap?
mircea_popescu: this is what people say whose washing machine water hose popped early in the unsupervised cycle
ThickAsThieves: rather than solar, cuz it's better or cheaper or whatever
ThickAsThieves: well, it'd more noisey than the A/C
ThickAsThieves: like very loud
mircea_popescu: well... it WAS cheaper
ThickAsThieves: and my garage is a converted recording studio in the making
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kakobrekla: you mean was?
mircea_popescu: he means would be
ThickAsThieves: it requires 700sqft of open air to work, so i also cant box it in to dampen noise
kakobrekla: or should be.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves just go with the flow man. add the noise to the beats :D
kakobrekla: make it noise-rap
mircea_popescu: it's gotta be better than the shit on tv.
kakobrekla: or whatever you plan on recording
ThickAsThieves: i'm so frustrated by this
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves what's the noisy part ?
ThickAsThieves: there's a mega fan, and then this humming mini-keg thing
mircea_popescu: is the fan making noise because of mechanics or airflow ?
benkay: what the hell is a hybrid water heater?
ThickAsThieves: it uses the hot air or some shit
kakobrekla: its a thing that "will and will not heat your water"
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: what are you recording
benkay: because heating water isn't dead simple to begin with.
ThickAsThieves: oh look it has an electric mode
ThickAsThieves: maybe i can get out of thois only spending $4000 for nothing
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves Presents: The Lion King Intro (Cover)
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves if it makes you feel better, my house (and most of europe) is heated by gas fired tankless systems, which actuyally make very little noise.
ThickAsThieves: well the prior was electric, it only made noise when refilling with water after showers
mircea_popescu: benkay some shit us idea that tries to combine the african water heater (big tank painted black) with the european model (burn gas under the pipe, like a reverse fridge)
ThickAsThieves: this one uses like 30% of the electricity
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves so basically by making a deal with your helpful government, you can now keep your hot water showers,
mircea_popescu: if you liked your hot water showers.
mircea_popescu: and it'll only cost an extra 4k.
ThickAsThieves: the best part is the installer wouldnt even take the replaced one, which works perfectly fine
ThickAsThieves: here i was thinking i'd be nice and give it to him for free
ThickAsThieves: he's like where do you want this
ThickAsThieves: motherfucker
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves have him come back, make a hybrid-hybrid system
mircea_popescu: where both the old and new are spliced together.
ThickAsThieves: i guess i need to ride it out and see if it shuts up when it's heated
ThickAsThieves: and how long that takes
ThickAsThieves: i bet it doesnt
ThickAsThieves: i bet the fan even runs on elec mode
mircea_popescu: tbh, unless you got some turboprop shit going on here, a properly soundproofed garage shouldn't care anywya.
ThickAsThieves: it's loud man
ThickAsThieves: like i said i cant block it off either
mircea_popescu: how loud can it be ? got a db probe ?
ThickAsThieves: it just stopped!
ThickAsThieves: i'm a whiney bitch!
mircea_popescu: funny, i can't tell whether my heater fan is working from here.
ThickAsThieves: i dont have a db probe, but have a special mic for measurements in a box somewhere
ThickAsThieves: no matter, i know from hearing it's too loud to have going with mics hot
ThickAsThieves: and to mix over
mircea_popescu: how the fuck do you want to do a soundproofing job w/o a db probe
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ThickAsThieves: it doesnt work like that
ThickAsThieves: soundproofing isnt what i need
ThickAsThieves: that would only please neighbors
ThickAsThieves: i need to control reflections
ThickAsThieves: sound treatment
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mircea_popescu: can i bet against this ipo of yours somewhere ?
ThickAsThieves: i think you misunderstand what i do
ThickAsThieves: i dotn record bands n shit
ThickAsThieves: or need multiple rooms
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mircea_popescu: you just heat water ?
ThickAsThieves: it's essentially a mixing room with a vocal area
mircea_popescu: well yes. that's what studios are these days.
mircea_popescu: because who the fuck plays an instrument anymore.
ThickAsThieves: well i have guitars and amp too
ThickAsThieves: but that's easy to mic even in sub-optimal room
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mircea_popescu: you mic electric guitars ?!
ThickAsThieves: not lately but of course
mircea_popescu: uh. why ?!
ThickAsThieves: why not?
mircea_popescu: because... they are... electric ?
ThickAsThieves: you mic the amp
mircea_popescu: you already got their signal, what's the mic going to do ?
ThickAsThieves: the speakers
mircea_popescu goes over to lie down and die.
ThickAsThieves: because if i just record the line, then i must use digital effects and overdrive etc
ThickAsThieves: it's not the same
ThickAsThieves: but not the same
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu the speakers color the sound specifically depending on brand model, and guitar players want that .
kakobrekla: cause they are herps.
ThickAsThieves: yes i use a tube amp
ThickAsThieves: i also have one tube mic and one tube preamp
ThickAsThieves: among others
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla so the amps do not have a jack into which you can plug your speakers or mixing table or anything else ?
mircea_popescu: i have a better idea : MIC THE SPEAKERS TWICE
ThickAsThieves: actuallu
kakobrekla: amps and speakers are usually joined for guitars afaik.
ThickAsThieves: some guys mic the mix out of the monitors
mircea_popescu: mod6 lol
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves so basically this "industry" is not so unlike bitcoin biznis industry
mircea_popescu: aesthetically driven technologies
ThickAsThieves: somewhat
mod6: ;)
ThickAsThieves: this is partly why i tried (and failed) to get stan interested in designing gear
ThickAsThieves: he'd probably rape the scene
mircea_popescu: just the offense this discussion brings to any serious ee may have him change his mind.
ThickAsThieves: people have like 1000-post-long threads about digital converter chips
ThickAsThieves: about noise from cabling
ThickAsThieves: they cream over vintage stuff because new shit is all crap
ThickAsThieves: hell, they cream over plugins that emulate vintage gear
benkay: dem vacuum tubes
mod6: <+ThickAsThieves> hell, they cream over plugins that emulate vintage gear << haha
kakobrekla: ThickAsThieves a lot of that is bullshit, a lot of it isnt.
ThickAsThieves: you laugh but it's nig money
ThickAsThieves: nig too though
mod6: hahah
ThickAsThieves: ive easily got $10k in plugins
ThickAsThieves: like bitcoin, it's also a vast learning space
ThickAsThieves: it was the object of my obsession til i found you guys
kakobrekla: and now you are also done with btc finance?
ThickAsThieves: and til i invented investment banking ;)
kakobrekla: (taken from your blog)
ThickAsThieves: i still trade some
ThickAsThieves: but moving back to music
mircea_popescu: well, let's hope music gets regulated in the us then
mircea_popescu: just for my own personal lulzfest.
ThickAsThieves: i did a whole floor plan for my space, i'll probly start some blog posts on the efforts after Amsterdam
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ThickAsThieves: for asciilifeform: this guy makes a killing selling kits (or assemblies) of a mic preamp that mimics a very popular more expensive one
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves
fluffypony: I'm still confuzzled
fluffypony: it's a recording studio but not for bands?
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ThickAsThieves: his "secret sauce" is that he uses his on opamp design
mircea_popescu: fluffypony he's probably just trying to record his wife snoring
ThickAsThieves: correct fluffy, my recent years were focused on making "rap beats"
fluffypony: step into my parlour, said the spider to the fly
ThickAsThieves: and recording local rappers
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: that's helluva interesting, way out of my field of knowledge
ThickAsThieves: this may be still on the table, but I'm currently researching the video game music industry
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves but basically, any "artist" is just called "a band" in my admittedly living in the past head.
ThickAsThieves: i did a few songs for a garage game
fluffypony: but based on some trivial readings I believe the major aim is authenticity - what goes on to the master (digital or otherwise) must be as close to reality as possible, let post-processing be done in playback
mircea_popescu: fluffypony there's not really such a thing as "authentic" sound.
ThickAsThieves: it all depends what youre going for
mircea_popescu: sound is air vibration. unless you package the air along with the signal, your digital thing'll be just a construction.
jurov: ThickAsThieves: at least you have proper prng, just hook a mic to that hybrid heater exhaust
ThickAsThieves: i actually had an idea about that
ThickAsThieves: the most recent almbum i was working on,
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: for real, audiophile stuff is way over my head anyway
ThickAsThieves: was to have 2 mixes
ThickAsThieves: one for open air, and one for headphones
ThickAsThieves: where i would specify the headphones used
ThickAsThieves: which got me to wondering why we dont see "ipod" mixes
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves this is a good thing to do, but not for the direct reason. for the marketing meta-reason instead :
mircea_popescu: it'll keep the fans endlessly occupied with a fun debate
mircea_popescu: which will mean they will never have awkward silences discussing your shit
mircea_popescu: which will mean that's all they'll want to talk about.
ThickAsThieves: it was very integreated with marketing of the album
ThickAsThieves: it was called Headphone Music
ThickAsThieves: i'm exploring my next steps via research and planning
ThickAsThieves: i have more twisty ideas like that about having a music business
ThickAsThieves: it's pretty much necessary
ThickAsThieves: to have any hope of profit
ThickAsThieves: hence having an eye on video games over rap beats
ThickAsThieves: the market is thriving and exists
ThickAsThieves: whereas rap producers mostly spend money
mircea_popescu: you won't make money from making sound any more than a girl will make money taking selfies.
ThickAsThieves: well when you start doing soundtracks there is other related work
ThickAsThieves: sfx, voice recording/acting
mircea_popescu: the (imo incredibly cool) voice acting including in present eulora was... a freebie.
ThickAsThieves: sure, and i intend to offer some freebies initially
mircea_popescu: so does everyone else. perpetually.
mircea_popescu: see hansen
ThickAsThieves: yes, but not all companies are interested in free
ThickAsThieves: and not all freebie offerers stay that way
ThickAsThieves: nor need to
ThickAsThieves: i have some thoughts i'm fleshing out to address that as well
mircea_popescu: you can argue this with me till either of us get bored. point remains : this isn't a business, it's a hobby.
ThickAsThieves: you think a audio production company is a unicorn?
mircea_popescu: this market is deader than disco, you might as well build a time machine to go back to 1982 to buy buffett's textile business.
mircea_popescu: for great victory!
ThickAsThieves: (please note that i havent necessarily commited to treating this as more than a hobby, that's why i'm exploring it on paper first)
ThickAsThieves: i havent convinced myself yet either
ThickAsThieves: but as i work i am at leats finding angles
mircea_popescu: there's no angle to be found to go around the simple fact that nobody is willing to pay to listen to some music.
mircea_popescu: they'd rather expect you to pay them
ThickAsThieves: i dont disagree, but you also think video game company wouldnt pay to have a dedicate audio artist or team on their project?
jurov: ThickAsThieves: rather sell amps with surreptitiously embedded miners
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ThickAsThieves: video game industry is getting to be bigger than movie industry isnt it?
mircea_popescu: rift cost 50mn and has yet to make 20.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.03199598 = 0.32 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Video games and Movies are big industries in different ways.
ThickAsThieves: yet rift still paid for its music
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves surely. and it has great music, too.
ThickAsThieves: and there is a vast ocean of game types and sizes out there
mircea_popescu: none of them willing to pay you a living wage, but all of them happy to have you on board.
ThickAsThieves: hell i could be the king if iphone app music or some shit
mircea_popescu: be wary of lines of work in which there are stars.
mircea_popescu: that's the clear proof that the thing is run as a lottery, and most everyone involved pays to participate.
ThickAsThieves: i dont think that video game music is very starstruck
ThickAsThieves: they mostly go unappreciated
mircea_popescu: you went to iphone kindgom.
ThickAsThieves: even teh FF series, probablty the most popular soundtracks, i bet less than 10% of buyers could name 1 composer
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: You mean Uematsu?
BingoBoingo: Well, it's like the one composer for nearly all the games.
ThickAsThieves: mostly this is in contrast to rap beat production, it is all about the stars
ThickAsThieves: and i have very little hope of profit in that area
mircea_popescu: sorta like how hans zimmer does like 80% of movie soundtracks that are any good.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves if i were to wager a guess, rap beats is a crystal ball thing.
mircea_popescu: ie, if you suck a major rap artist's cock (the mage) and he deigns to call you his crystal ball,
mircea_popescu: then you can make a killing selling to the wananbes
ThickAsThieves: these days you have to pretty much hand over a finished song that just needs to rap verses
ThickAsThieves: it's ugly
mircea_popescu: exactly how amps and shit are sold to the masses.
mircea_popescu: course that can change within five minutes, leaving you without your living.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, zimmer appreciation moment.
ozbot: True Romance # You're so cool - Hans Zimmer - YouTube
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mircea_popescu: incidentally, it occurs to me someone should do a topic summary of this channel. what have we been discussing today, music, heaters, beating small children, points of history of cryptography academic publications minutia, radiobiology
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ThickAsThieves: funny that same idea occurred to me recently
mircea_popescu: and thjat's just oiff the top of my head
benkay: gon' need some more whores.
ThickAsThieves: like a daily news
pankkake: hans zimmer and lisa gerrard!
pankkake: and bear mccreary must be doing 80% of tv series
mircea_popescu: benkay funny how bait died. those pics really sucked too
ThickAsThieves: meanwhile i think my A/C now died
BingoBoingo: Klye ever come back with his pictures?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo nah, i think he may be more than a few tweaks and turns away from an actual workable harem.
BingoBoingo: Yeah, strikes me as to young and unpracticed.
mircea_popescu: well, he's ambitious which is good, and has stuck around for a while, which is also good.
BingoBoingo: Indeed. Seems like he also gave up on mining which is good
mircea_popescu: and while i suspect he's not necessarily willing to openly admit as much, he prolly got my point.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7558 @ 0.00085379 = 6.4529 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: It seems so
benkay: .bait
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7942 @ 0.0008508 = 6.7571 BTC [-] {2}
benkay: prrrrrrty vanilla.
mircea_popescu: it's such a weird artefact of times long gone, to see women wearing panties...
benkay: until you've got the girls showing up with other girls you can't really call it a harem.
gribble: Time since last block: 23 seconds
ozbot: Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: Nobody hires anymore. It's ...
mircea_popescu: more serious than you think : hiring is a myth!
ThickAsThieves: in a few years everyone will just be their own business
ThickAsThieves: and the the employers will be clients
ThickAsThieves: all the*
mircea_popescu: if this hasn't already happened a few years back
assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.IDIFF.JUN] 6300 @ 0.0109775 = 69.1583 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: !up drew
assbot: Voicing drew for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: like 11bn diff by june
benkay: <ThickAsThieves> in a few years everyone will just be their own business << why do you think i do what i do?!
mircea_popescu: << check it out, twitter campaign has results.
ozbot: Twitter / _mculp: @mircea_popescu @beautyon_ ...
mike_c: at least the idiff's are actually in play this quarter. nice to see.
benkay: how's the arb look idiff vs bitbet?
mike_c: don't see much on bitbet to short diff for june
assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.IDIFF.JUN] 8500 @ 0.01099853 = 93.4875 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: benkay iirc there was a 14bn on 14th of july
ozbot: BitBet - Bitcoin network difficulty > 14Bn on Bastille day
mircea_popescu: 14.07, heavy yes
benkay: is there any field-leading work on option/parimutuel parity?
mircea_popescu: hey mike_c how about a bot that gives odds and whatnot for bitbet links ?
mircea_popescu: benkay not so far.
mike_c: that's a good idea
mircea_popescu: 8:28 btc for the july thing.
mike_c: we need more bots in here
mircea_popescu: what we need is a better ozbot. like, providing a read of bitbet bets, and better baits
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BingoBoingo: What about that Periscope idea that does upskirts and whatever?
mircea_popescu: soi the x.idiff expire 18th of june, and trading around 11bn atm
mircea_popescu: the bitbet is for 14th july, heavy towards >14bn
mircea_popescu: it'd seem people suspect june/july will have major deployments of moar hash
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo maybe so
ozbot: 8.001 billion | Next Diff in 916 blocks | Estimated Change: 7.8962% in 5d 20h 36m 10s
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 8 * 1.07 * 1.15 ^ 2
gribble: Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number.
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 8 * 1.07 * 1.15 ** 2
gribble: 11.3206
mircea_popescu: seems rational actually
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Control code is UP! or DOWN!
mircea_popescu: who ran ozbot again ? was it scrat ?
mircea_popescu: ;;seen scrat
gribble: scrat was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 25 weeks, 3 days, 3 hours, 8 minutes, and 39 seconds ago: <Scrat> im a fat cock
ThickAsThieves: <+mircea_popescu> it'd seem people suspect june/july will have major deployments of moar hash /// afaik ASICminer has yet to release the hounds
mircea_popescu: !up Jezzz
assbot: Voicing Jezzz for 30 minutes.
Jezzz: thx
mircea_popescu: you gotta be id' with gribble, in assbot's wot to self-voice yourself.
Jezzz: ozbot is mine
mircea_popescu: oh it is ?
Jezzz: /whois ozbot
mircea_popescu: say, how hard would it be to make it look for bet pool on bitbets ?
mircea_popescu: !up DrewHorne
assbot: Voicing DrewHorne for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot Jezzz
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Jezzz: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: Fri Mar 2 23:47:44 2012
DrewHorne: hey guys
mircea_popescu: ;;rate Jezzz 1 ozbot
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user Jezzz has been recorded.
mircea_popescu: there. now you can id with gribble, and then pm assbot !up
Jezzz: thx
DrewHorne: thickasthieves, how are you
Jezzz: mircea_popescu: not hard
benkay: DrewHorne: who are you?
mircea_popescu: Jezzz so mind doing it ?
Jezzz: i'd just need to take a look at the bitbets api
mircea_popescu: also, where does .bait pull the pix from ?
Jezzz: have a link handy?
mike_c: Jezzz: bitbet provides json with all the bet information. just add ?json to end of bet url.
mircea_popescu: yes there's a json one sec
BingoBoingo: ;;rate Jezzz 1 .bait
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user Jezzz has been recorded.
DrewHorne: im coming from the investments forum, I have a very solid business plan that I am looking for investment on, and after speaking with ThickAsThieves he said that the best way to go about vetting my idea in the bitcoin space was to bring it here
mircea_popescu: DrewHorne ok, shoot.
Jezzz: mircea_popescu: how do you imagine the bitbet interaction working?
mircea_popescu: <ozbot> BitBet - Bitcoin network difficulty > 14Bn on Bastille day. 85 btc on yes, 30 btc on no, 55 days left.
mircea_popescu: that'd be the bare bones.
mircea_popescu: <ozbot> BitBet - Bitcoin network difficulty > 14Bn on Bastille day. 85 btc on yes (73%), 30 btc on no (27%), 55 days left (33`212 weight).
mircea_popescu: for a whole shebang
DrewHorne: basically my idea involves moreso a fiat investment rather than a bitcoin investment for starters, especially since it is over a 5 year period. I am very much of the opinion however that there are forward thinking and open minded investors of all sorts in the bitcoin space
mircea_popescu: i'd rather have the later.
ThickAsThieves: Couldn't kako also dynamically create the title to be that?
Jezzz: surely
mike_c: you'll have to add up all the bets yourself because kako said so :)
Jezzz: also, if you've got to provide the entire link, not sure that's a real handy shortcut
benkay: 677 is the unique id, Jezzz mircea_popescu
ThickAsThieves: it should be kako's penance for his affiliate scam
Jezzz: but if everyone wants it, i'll code it up
benkay: mircea_popescu wants it, Jezzz
mircea_popescu: yes that works
DrewHorne: also some parts of the strategy are confidential, and would only be on the table for discussion after signing a mutual NDA and mutually confirming our identities
Jezzz: how about .bitbet 677
Jezzz: or similar
benkay: sounds good!
benkay: !up Ziggy9263
assbot: Voicing Ziggy9263 for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: Jezzz i wouldn't know wtf the bitbet 677 is off my head
Jezzz: hm
mircea_popescu: i tend to just link a biutbet, then i find myuself having to paste data
Jezzz: lemme see if there's an easy way to do like a dynamic search
DrewHorne: BUT the investment has a 6000% return, looking for $1,250,000 USD in exchange for 30% equity of a company we will sell for $250,000,000 in 5 years
ThickAsThieves: Drew if any of the secrets you keep are require dknowledge to vet your plan, then we cant help you
Jezzz: like .bitbet bastille
mircea_popescu: alternatively, kako could indeed change the title.
Jezzz: or similar
mike_c: you already grabbing URLs, should be easy to regex bitbet urls and do something different, no?
mircea_popescu: im not sure that'd be useful tbh
Jezzz: mike_c: yep
ThickAsThieves: also, if you lead with your hands out, that doesnt help
mircea_popescu: <DrewHorne> basically my idea involves moreso a fiat investment rather than a bitcoin investment for starters, << so that's the end of the discussion.
Jezzz shoos DrewHorne to #fiat-assets
DrewHorne: this is true, hence I am in a bit of a paradox here.
DrewHorne: ill check it out jezzz thanks
ThickAsThieves: paradox isnt the right word
Jezzz: joking DrewHorne
mircea_popescu: the paradox is entirely of your own making.
mircea_popescu: you're in the barber shop explaining you want clothes made.
DrewHorne: is that a real freenode lol jezzz
mircea_popescu: how is this a paradox ?
ThickAsThieves: what you are is an opportunist
mircea_popescu: <DrewHorne> BUT the investment has a 6000% return, looking for $1,250,000 USD in exchange for 30% equity of a company we will sell for $250,000,000 in 5 years << this should go in my list of "stupid things one should never say"
ThickAsThieves: you are more excited to share what you want from people, than what you have to offer them
ThickAsThieves: maybe he watches too much Shark Tank
ThickAsThieves: I think they lead with the ask
DrewHorne: was i not sharing both equally by simultaneously sharing what I want and how it would benefit them?
mircea_popescu: upon consideration, i think jezz has a very valid point. it's not ozbot that should change.
DrewHorne: and i actually don't watch any TV really
ozbot: BitBet - Bitcoin network difficulty > 14Bn on Bastille day
mircea_popescu: it's bitbet. kakobrekla can we make individual bet titles read like "BitBet - Bitcoin network difficulty > 14Bn on Bastille day. 85 btc on yes (73%), 30 btc on no (27%), 55 days left (33`212 weight)" instead of just bet title as is now ?
Jezzz: but I bet ozbot does it before bitbet does :)
ThickAsThieves: <+mircea_popescu> upon consideration, i think jezz has a very valid point. it's not ozbot that should change.// hey that was my point!
Jezzz: indeed ThickAsThieves
mircea_popescu: i dunno about that hehe. we've had rapid deployment b4
ThickAsThieves gets all crumbles, no cookies
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves no credit for you!!1 :D
mircea_popescu: !jd mpif
assbot: Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 164.01849826 BTC; +0.28271040 BTC (+0.1727%) since last check 22h 56m 7s ago.
Jezzz: mircea_popescu: i'm almost done, they better hurry :)
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 1.001727 ** 365
gribble: 1.87725633448
kakobrekla: erroneous command issued
kakobrekla: what no do you want me to do it or ?
Jezzz: if you are, i'll stop
DrewHorne: ThickAsThieves - so if I were able to discuss ~90% of my business plan here, but it involved fiat currency, would this not be a proper place to vet the plan?
kakobrekla: i am, as in exist, i havent started make the change yet.
Jezzz: no sense in us both doing it
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla you prolly should
mircea_popescu: better to have informative titles for all uses
Jezzz: perfect
mircea_popescu: than just a bypass hack in chan bot and nowhere else
kakobrekla: no to perfect!
Jezzz goes back to his other project :)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 30 @ 0.0690709 = 2.0721 BTC [-] {7}
mircea_popescu: Jezzz sorry :)
Jezzz: no worries at all
kakobrekla: not so perfect i meant.
kakobrekla: but yeah, carry on.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla your spelling and keyboarding is perfect
ThickAsThieves: DrewHorne, either share or dont share, youre worrying about the drapes for a house you dont own yet
mircea_popescu: DrewHorne if you want to discuss some business plan, discuss some business plan
mircea_popescu: you were discussing a financial plan,
mircea_popescu: and one denominated in the wrong symbol.
mircea_popescu: actually Jezzz : how about better .bait!
Jezzz: heh
mircea_popescu: use naked in public or something, those retouched soft pronz are painful
Jezzz: if you have another tumblr source you'd like me to add to the randomization, I can do that
Jezzz: .bait
Jezzz: lol, case in point I guess
ThickAsThieves: maybe exlude victorias secret porn?
Jezzz: dunno if I have time to build ozbot a porn analyzation engine
ozbot: Exposed In Public
Jezzz: :)
mircea_popescu: lol pron anal-yzation engines is where the webmoney is!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4400 @ 0.00085596 = 3.7662 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: "s.mpoe rises on news of better pronz in -assets"
ThickAsThieves: "Coinbase announced that it acquired Kippt, a start-up company whose product gives users with a way to store and sort online media."
Jezzz: mike_c: notice that too :P
mircea_popescu: mike_c at least she's naked!
mike_c: you can't unsee it
ThickAsThieves: no $ amount mentioned for the deal
mircea_popescu: who knew pronz is so difficult.
mike_c: ThickAsThieves: acqui-hire
ThickAsThieves: but the acquired folks are old ycombo buddies of coinbase's
mircea_popescu: "a start-up company whose product gives users with a way to grammer"
mike_c: grammar has two a's :D
mircea_popescu: who the fuck writes coinbase pr copy ? ahmed ?
mike_c: no startup ever goes bust in the us. always an acq-hire at the end..
mircea_popescu: mike_c they used to, pre bubble.
mike_c: yeah, it's a new thing. so retarded.
jurov: graammer
mircea_popescu: is it dutch day yet ?
benkay: not retarded at all. better the team you know than the miscellaneous derps from the meetup you don't.
mike_c: Jezzz: can you make ozbot automatically correct people's spelling?
mircea_popescu: also can you make ozbot fix everyone's ipos ?
mike_c: benkay: not retarded to do it, retarded to have these "blah blah company got acquired" nonsense
mike_c: when they just hired the team and nobody got any money
mike_c: and they immediately shut the project down
mircea_popescu: mike_c everyone thinks "it's good pr". somehow the fucking world is upside down. for instance, in a sane market, the shareholders of the acquirer would discount ther share
mircea_popescu: but in backwards world, "having spent a lot of money" is a claim to fame,
mircea_popescu: preferable to "has deployed capital judiciously"
mircea_popescu: because everyone's living handout to handout, and the best way to be loved is to create the appearance of doling out handouts
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mircea_popescu: so dies another great business plan.
kakobrekla: assbot - business plan killer ?
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benkay: !up Drew
assbot: Voicing Drew for 30 minutes.
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Drew: thanks
Drew: how do you send a private message on here
Drew: first experience with freenode
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kakobrekla: you type in this box, this is private, limited to earth residents
mike_c: except the aliens that read the log
Drew: perfect
Drew: i mean as far as if i rejoin and need to get !upped again
Drew: like how do i private message assbot to up me
kakobrekla: that the last step of many steps one must take before one takes the last step
Drew: hm
Drew: ok, well anyways ThickAsThieves here are a few rough points on my business for discussion
Drew: OK - I have successfully thrown a music festival in Atlanta called Lunar Massive. Our plan is to continue the brand in the most optimum direction and develop it into the ideal acquisition target for the below company for the further below reasons. -
Drew: 1. There is a media company (SFX entertainment) has stated that they are building a $1 billion empire in the Electronic Dance Music (EDM) space and have already spent $400 million buying different EDM festival related brands all over the world in the last year for anywhere from $15-$100 million.
benkay: /msg assbot yourmsg
benkay: or
benkay: /query assbot to start a conversation
Drew: 2. -out of the worlds population of 7 billion, 3.6 billion are under the age of 30, and 2 billion are millennials. -Electronic Music is indisputably the music of choice for the 18-34 year old demographic mentioned above -The “Electronic Music Culture”, as he calls it, is more digitally plugged in and more reliably marketed to in a modern sense than any other genre -The industry is currently very fragmented, and was much mor
Drew: thank you benkay, and thanks for !upping me
benkay: also, you can't up yourself, i don't think.
benkay: ;;gettrust assbot Drew
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benkay: wow
benkay: hop on that handle
benkay: ;;gettrust ben
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benkay: holy f
Drew: 3. -If he was able to unite much of the industry under one brand, he would effectively control the marketing ability to 18-34 year olds with disposable income, an ability worth a tremendous amount of money to corporations that are looking to market their product to this demographic (of which there are a vast amount)
Drew: 4. Our strategy is designed to create a brand which will cater to what this man and his company are trying to accomplish, which will value our brand at easily a quarter of a billion dollars. We will do this by having a different approach than any currently existing brand.
Drew: 5. The majority of music festivals, including the ones he has purchased, have one large event per year. If they are quality events, they gain a raving loyal following who attends every year and their audience steadily increases. (Electric Forest, Ultra Music Festival, etc)
Drew: 6. Our brand will have 8-10 medium/large scale events (~10-15 thousand people, multiple stages, 20+ acts), each with 10 small scale events (500-2500 people, one stage, 2-3 acts) in the surrounding area. Each medium/large scale event will be annually, with the 10 surrounding small events spaced out throughout the year to lead up to each large scale event.
Drew: 7. The medium / large scale events will be spaced out around the year in each different location (Atlanta, Dallas, LA, NYC, Portland, Denver, Chicago, Miami, etc) so that the portion of the fanbase we develop into rabid fans can literally follow our brand around the country, like some music fans do.
Drew: 8. the effect created by our structure will be to, instead of having one event per year for promotion to be centered around, we have 90-100 events associated with the brand across the country throughout the entire year to build promotion around, using each event as a social media hub and continuing to expand our presence. This will create the most unified EMC related brand that has existed so far, making it the literal perfect
Drew: company*
benkay: literal perfect company?
benkay: town down the rhetoric e-boy.
dub: I lol that the US learned about "EDM" 30 years later and is liek 'jump on dis new shit'
BingoBoingo: So... How do you compete against incumbents like LiveNation et al
benkay: how do you plan to address the e-tard's demonstrated abhorrence of large brands?
Drew: i would say that those 2 questions are very much interrelated
Drew: i would say that livenation is automatically abhorred by the vast majority of not only e-tards but lovers of live music in general
Drew: while they own many venues and are able to throw larger shows and more frequently than most people, they don't directly throw any festivals or 5000+ person events that i am aware of
Drew: they sponsor many festivals but are not in direct ownership of any
benkay: yeah they keep their brand where nobody can see it.
Drew: wise of them
benkay: this sounds like "we;re going to be the grateful dead but ultra corporate and the kids will love it"
Drew: i would correct you though benkay, in that the abhorrence is mostly towards large corporation involvement in live music, not so much the brands themselves
benkay: brands. how even ams brand.
benkay: if your brand = your corporation, i don't see how that's addressing the concern.
Drew: electric daisy carnival is branching out their festival, and even though they recently formed a "creative partnership" with SFX (the corporate devil in their eyes) that is not taking away from their brand following
benkay: burning man has a 'too big' branding problem already.
benkay: anyways.
benkay: sounds like a fiat business.
benkay: zero reason for btc folk to get involved.
Drew: yup
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Drew: unless they were looking to put their eggs in multiple baskets rather than one
benkay: just index the s/p
benkay: call it a day
benkay: second market if gambling's your thing.
benkay: "fartups".
benkay: Drew: we're mostly interested in businesses that cryptocurrencies enable.
Drew: understood
benkay: not much of that in this play.
Drew: I came here at the advice of ThickAsThieves, though I could have been more clear with him about the background of it
benkay: ya well that gets you some amount of politeness.
benkay: not much more.
Drew: I am looking on the forum for an investor though, and one thing you may be able to help me with (if you are willing) would be how to more readiliy pitch it to them
benkay: nah
benkay: go outside. meet people in the entertainment biz. raise money, do thing.
Drew: thats ok, politeness isn't something i came looking for. I have a thick skin and would prefer constructive brute criticism to beating around the bush senseless politeness any day
benkay: start small and demonstrate competence.
benkay: business rolls downhill to the heavy objects. be a heavy object.
benkay: but you know
benkay: who are you?
benkay: have you done anything like this before?
benkay: what experience do you have managing dopamine-depleted volunteers and arbitrating rape accusations on the fly?
Drew: we just successfully threw a music festival in atlanta with some pretty star studded acts
Drew: the response was that it was the 3rd best electronic music event held in atlanta to date
benkay: i don't really care
Drew: with the exception of tomorrowworld and counterpoint, 2 multi-day festivals with 100x the budget
benkay: ya anyways
BingoBoingo: Honestly Drew you sound like a less floridly psychotic version of Dank on bitcointalk with this plan.
benkay: i'm out y'all
benkay: er wait maybe not
Drew: well i'm glad i come across as less psychotic at least
Drew: We actually have experience though, have accomplished some things already, and are looking to expand
Drew: and actually have a team with 50 years of experience in the market
Drew: i would hope that that would separate me from people such as dank
benkay: these are all claims as what require substantiation.
benkay: best way to substantiate claims about identity is...get in to the wot and get people vouching for you.
benkay: otherwise, dog.
Drew: get into the wot?
benkay: ;;gettrust Drew
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benkay: web of trust
benkay: ;;google bitcoin-otc web of trust
gribble: #bitcoin-otc web of trust: <>; #bitcoin-otc web of trust data: <>; #bitcoin-otc: <>
benkay: ;;google bitcoin-otc beginners guide
gribble: Beginners Guide - bitcoin-otc wiki: <>; Using bitcoin-otc - bitcoin-otc wiki: <>; bitcoin-otc wiki: <>
benkay: not much use if you're running a fiat biz and only care about your fiat connections, though.
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benkay: i can't trust you without it though.
Drew: understood
Drew: i would imagine that there are some btc connections that may decide to become a fiat connection any day though
Drew: i'd imagine that it happens both ways every day actually
benkay: he gets it. hey mikey!
benkay: anything else, Drew ?
Drew: yes duffer
benkay: you've got 4 minutes of voice left, Drew...
Drew: yeah benkay, it seems like the web of trust is where i need to head to
Drew: so what is the easiest way to accquire trust through that? or the most efficient rather
benkay: time.
benkay: repeated demonstrations of competence.
benkay: basically, other humans have to trust you.
Drew: so i will basically have to dig a hole and fill it back in again for the sole sake of demonstrating competence
benkay: nah
benkay: !up Drew
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Drew: what can i do that is productive towards my goal to gain that
Drew: thanks
benkay: depends on your skills
benkay: what you can be trusted to do
benkay: what you've *been* trusted to do
BingoBoingo: !up Drew
assbot: Voice for Drew extended to 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: Drew: If you lurk opportunities get offered rather frequently to do things for people.
Drew: such as?
benkay: thing is that you gotta lurk
benkay: and the opportunities are neither guaranteed nor lucrative.
BingoBoingo: It really depends. You can scroll up to the conversation about making ozbot better as an example.
Drew: seems like lucrative isnt the point
benkay: precisely.
Drew: trust would be the point
BingoBoingo: These things happen nearly every day. Maybe it takes a while for something to fit your skillset.
benkay: mircea_popescu has a standing offer on the table for people to promote the cardano
benkay: 'course, there's no cardano yet.
BingoBoingo: The point though is to continue demonstrating you aren't an idiot
Drew: also as much as i appreciate the bitcoin space, it is not my expertise
benkay: and also that you execute
Drew: im definitely not an idiot, but a good friend of mine is the bitcoin expert
Drew: and also my referral to this space
benkay: the opportunities in -assets are almost entirely bitcoin exclusive.
benkay: nubbins` by virtue of being here sometimes has landed printing jobs
benkay: various artists have been commissioned via this channel
benkay: but this is a bitcoin centric space.
BingoBoingo: Drew: Well the best time to start learning the space was 2010-2011. The next best time to start learning is today.
BingoBoingo: Or tomorrow
Drew: i feel that there should be a way to earn trust with this space in other ways than proving bitcoin competency
Drew: is there not/
benkay: death to fiat fueled governments etc etc
Drew: ?
benkay: bitcoin competence is a baseline.
BingoBoingo: The way to learn though is more reading than doing, at least at first.
asciilifeform: would be interesting to define 'bitcoin competence'
benkay: ^^
benkay: (referring to BingoBoingo)
Drew: where would be a good point to start, readingwise
benkay: trilema
BingoBoingo: benkay: I think asciilifeform Has a better point
mod6: pff, how about 'how many satoshi in 1 BTC?' i see them get this wrong /constantly/ on twitter, drives me up a tree.
benkay: yeah, that's a good one.
mod6: if i had 1 satoshi for everytime they got it wrong, i'd have 1 BTC by now.
asciilifeform: e.g. does a fellow who read the bitcoind src, satoshi paper, understood mostly - but then pisses away his stash into chumpatrons, 'competence' ?
benkay: "doesn't bleed coins"?
asciilifeform: or, opposite scenario.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I imagine they have half of it. Seaman vs. Able Seaman
asciilifeform: seaman vs. diesel mechanic
benkay: recent grad vs. support engineer
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asciilifeform: i suppose a definition is unnecessary - folks who have a poor enough grasp of the mechanics, of both varieties, will soon lose interest in btc and fade away
Drew: so if the bitcoin assets space is definitely almost entirely btc focused, would you say that the bitcointalk space is as well? I have had a couple of responses even on my posts that were almost entirely flame-ridden
BingoBoingo: What explains Taaki then?
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BingoBoingo: Bitcointalk is a wasteland, barren
Drew: do you not think that there are investors in that space that would be interested in fiat investments?
benkay: !t h rent
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Duffer1: idiots ya
asciilifeform: one could argue that 'we' ought to still take an interest in these lost souls, if only to prevent them from ending as fuel, stoking chumpatron
benkay: rent has fleeced a bunch, Drew
BingoBoingo: There probably are some. Not many people take anything on Bitcointalk seriously
asciilifeform: (chumpatron exhaust stinks)
Drew: really? i was referred to it as being one of the top 2000 most trafficked sites on the internet
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Drew: which is definitely quantity over quality, as is evident
benkay: most investors who want to go long the USD do so with their USD investments.
BingoBoingo: Drew: Traffic /= Good
Drew: right
Duffer1: you would have to be incredibly profitable to roi for investors who buy in BTC if your customers are paying in fiat
benkay: that's the catch.
benkay: being profitable in btc.
Drew: yea duffer definitely
Drew: so let me ask you guys something
benkay: shit gets complicated fast when you touch both positive and negative terminals.
asciilifeform: (i, for those who don't know, ended up here entirely by fortune. invited by mpoepr/hanbot)
Drew: in the next 5 years, what do you see the roi being on bitcoin?
benkay: bloody unknowable.
BingoBoingo: -25% to +1500% range
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Drew: my friend has told me that with a 1% widespread usage, with all the BTC mined they would be 1 million USD apiece?
Drew: something along those lines
Drew: relative to todays USD value
ozbot: BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment
BingoBoingo: Prolly take more than five years for that though
kakobrekla: asciilifeform its also fortunate you arrived :)
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: thank you
Drew: more than 5 years to reach that usage rate? or more than 5 years for all BTC to be mined? or both?
asciilifeform: Drew: might be worth reading mp's essay on how retail ('coffee cup') usage is irrelevant
mircea_popescu: Drew what was attendance at this festival ?
Drew: ~4,000 people
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: glad to hear that you still have functioning bees. our bees over here are having problems.
asciilifeform: one day, your country may export... bees.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform or just as well not export thewm
mircea_popescu: Drew there seems to be no mention anywhere except on the promoters' fb pages.
asciilifeform: well, they're a renewable resource.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: In my region we seem to be having a strong rebound year for bees.
Drew: from just a google search or?
Drew: several articles come up just from the google search
mircea_popescu: linke me ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: like the water engine imo << wtf is a water engine? old-school water mill?
Drew: with atlanta included (probably necessary)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform romania also has an abundance of free ranged butterflies.
mircea_popescu: most industrialised countries do not, lepidopterae being some of the most sensitive to pollution
asciilifeform: we still have butterflies here, mostly migratory (mexico)
asciilifeform not lepidopterae expert
mircea_popescu: Drew aha so nov 15, North Atlanta Trade Center, $40 a ticket.
Drew: yes, thats the one
Drew: they grew more expensive as the event approached but that was one of the early bird prices
mircea_popescu: any published material that includes your name in connection to this ?
Drew: probably not honestly. I organized the entire team that threw it, met and introduced the 2 partners (EDMutual and Decibel), designed the initial business plan and found the investment. My name isnt on any of that though
Drew: there is plenty of published material regarding EDMutual and Decibel though, and through them i can very readily prove my association with this project
mircea_popescu: well so you can appreciate our problem. if we were to try and evaluate your claim, we'd have no objective weay to distinguish you from a random guy that bought a ticket.
mircea_popescu: this is something you may wish to consider for the next thing you organise.
Drew: for a random guy who bought a ticket, i sure have some ambitious plans for this project ;)
Drew: i see what you mean though
mircea_popescu: which brings us to the next step, which is the wot, whose purpose is exactly that.
mircea_popescu: Our plan is to continue the brand > you mean "lunar massive" ?
mircea_popescu: "in the most optimum direction" unless you're mel, optimum is a superlative for you. it takes no comparative.
mircea_popescu: "and develop it into the ideal acquisition target for the below company for the further below reasons" > can you name such a brand that was acquired ? when, by whom, how much ?
mircea_popescu: !up RKinder
assbot: Voicing RKinder for 30 minutes.
RyanKinder: Hello. :)
Drew: absolutely
Drew: i can name several
Drew: one moment
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mircea_popescu: level 3 blowing the omerta.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re: 'millenials' link - wtf is a 'millenial' ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform chicks of fuck age.
BingoBoingo: ;;google the story of mel
gribble: The Story of Mel - <>; The Story of Mel: <>; The Story of Mel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <>
asciilifeform: article seems to suggest that one should not hire them
BingoBoingo: Drew: Mel and optimization ^^
asciilifeform: (inadvertently)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform indeed.
Drew: haha
asciilifeform: perhaps, unless one is trained zoologist.
Duffer1: Mircea whatever happened with Mrs. Boring?
Drew: SFX entertainment (the company whose tastes we are building our brand to cater to) has made the following acquisitions in the last few years
mircea_popescu: "Much has been made of peering agreements. Many peering agreements were made between engineers in the early days of the Internet and consisted of not much more than a single page of text – if there was anything written down at all. They weren’t really contracts in the way you might consider a formal legal agreement."
Drew: -Disco Donnie Presents - $50,000,000 - 100% ownership
mircea_popescu: this is quite important btw. never forget that the internet exists more as a mpex contract than anything else.
Drew: -Electric Daisy Carnival - $50,000,000 - 50% ownership
RyanKinder: fluffypony: Just read your post on the vertcoin subreddit. Interesting stuff.
Drew: -ID&T (Tomorrowland / Tomorrowworld) - $100,000,000 - 75% ownership
Drew: -Dayglow - $35,000,000 - 100% ownership
Drew: -Beatport - $52,000,000 - 100% ownership
Drew: -MMG - 16,900,000 - 80% ownership
Drew: -Totem Onelove - $75,000,0000 - 100% ownership
Drew: -i-Motion - $12,000,000 - 70% ownership
mircea_popescu: Drew the edc i knew was like the world's largest electronic stuff, but i had no idea some sfx thing had bought it
mircea_popescu: you got a link to that ?
mircea_popescu: (you mean the ny/orlando/pr etc one right ?)
mircea_popescu: seems to be still owned by insomniac
mircea_popescu: !up Drew
assbot: Voicing Drew for 30 minutes.
Drew: one moment ill grab the link
BingoBoingo: I'm wondering if anyone here has experience with US amateur radio licensing
Drew: whups my apologies that acquisition was by live nation rather than sfx
Drew: but live nation acquired 50% of insomniac for 50,000,000
Drew: insomniac still owns the festival EDC, but live nation actually owns 50% of insomniac now
mircea_popescu: more like it.
Drew: the rest of those acquisitions were by SFX entertainment
mircea_popescu: you gotta do your homework drew.
Drew: i did my homework mircea, sorry i missed one of the problems
mircea_popescu: generally speaking the prospective investor will run into one of these, and just drop the thing silently.
mircea_popescu: also generally speaking, this sort of thing we're doing here is paid on retainer, and by the hour.
mircea_popescu: but moving on :
Drew: duly noted
mircea_popescu: "4. Our strategy is designed to create a brand which will cater to what this man and his company are trying to accomplish, which will value our brand at easily a quarter of a billion dollars."
Drew: and i do appreciate yalls patience and interest in this
mircea_popescu: that's laughable. how much are you worth, atm ?
Drew: not anywhere close to that
mircea_popescu: so then how do you know it's easily this or that ?
Drew: based on a pattern of purchases and what those companies mean to him through those purchases
mircea_popescu: branson can say easily a quarter billion. coming out of you it just sounds ... like a millenial.
mircea_popescu: yes yes.
mircea_popescu: 8-10 medium/large scale events << this is where you show the demographics of the area.
mircea_popescu: what about georgia can support 10 medium/large scale events ?
Drew: his first acquisition was disco donnie presents....a brand known for throwing terrible quality events
Drew: 10 medium / large scale events nationwide
mircea_popescu: wait. so you intend to spend 1 month per area ?
Drew: no
mircea_popescu: i mean you, personally.
Drew: each area will serve as its own hotspot
mircea_popescu: then how is this supposed to work ? is your team made out of 10 people ?
Drew: our team has 6-8 core members and 5-10 more that are involved to a lesser degree
mircea_popescu: (Atlanta, Dallas, LA, NYC, Portland, Denver, Chicago, Miami, etc) < the count is 8, and this stinks of poorly researcher. why denver and not seattle, for instance ?
mircea_popescu: why portland and not boston ?
Drew: i listed those cities primarily to illustrate a the way the shows would be spread out
mircea_popescu: but you're supposed to do the research. do the demographic work. KNOW why X and not Y.
Drew: to moreso basically describe the general idea
mircea_popescu: these aren't the result of throwing darts at a highschool map
mircea_popescu: yes, i get the general idea that the us contains a number of cities.
mircea_popescu: hardly needs illustration.
mircea_popescu: moving on
mircea_popescu: "we have 90-100 events associated with the brand across the country throughout the entire year to build promotion around, using each event as a social media hub and continuing to expand our presence. This will create the most unified EMC related brand that has existed so far, making it the literal perfect company"
mircea_popescu: do you comprehend the problems of creating brand identity over 100 geographicallyh disparate items ?
Drew: such as?
Drew: if the brand identity was rooted in quality live music of a few main genres, and the acts were tailored by city for maximum effect, what brand identity problems would you be mainly speaking of/
mircea_popescu: see, a good chunk of mcdonald's corporate expenditure goes to making sure that mcdonalds hamburgers are the same in atlanta and lincoln
mircea_popescu: similarly with coca cola, and all large consumer product brands that use local anything
mircea_popescu: so, buying local buns makes things taste...local.
Drew: right
mircea_popescu: to have a brand, you have to manage localisation issues.
mircea_popescu: neither insulting the locals, nor allowing them to dilute you into nothing
mircea_popescu: this is an extremely complex, difficult and resource intensive endeavour.
mircea_popescu: you're setting yourself for this task of herding 100 cats, and THIS is why nobody else is doing it.
Drew: but while buying an idaho bun may taste different than a florida bun, a meyer subwoofer rented from idaho would be the same as one rented in florida
mircea_popescu: you see, "We will do this by having a different approach than any currently existing brand." is no guarantee of success.
mircea_popescu: sometimes there are reasons nobody else is cooking by holding the stove on their head.
mircea_popescu: Drew perhaps.
Drew: im still following and agreeing with all of your logic
mircea_popescu: but your answers to this problem will have to be much much better than merely not appearing like you ever heard of it.
Drew: but sometimes there is no good reason why no one has figured out how to use a stove yet, if we go back in time to that point
mircea_popescu: dub nobody likes your dubstep anyways!!1
Drew: you forgot to add 'one' after the 1 there :)
Drew: mircea i really do appreciate you taking your time to speak with me about this
BingoBoingo: Panera might be a good case in localization issues to read up on
mircea_popescu: Drew what's your formal education ?
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mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo about half the case studies in us business school are actually this or applications of it, if memory serves.
Drew: panera bread bingo?
BingoBoingo: Drew: Yes
mircea_popescu: perhaps excusable on the grounds that few higher level thinkers end up in busienss school
Drew: i went to a few years of aerospace engineering at Auburn University
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: So I've heard. I'm just thinking of a local venture that has run into the localization issue hard as it expanded
mircea_popescu: airbnb to this day doesn't realise that it's much more successful in canada than in the us, or why.
Drew: decided rapidly that a field with a glass ceiling of earnings proportional to achievement was not for me
Drew: decided to open my own business
mircea_popescu: Drew the problem of not having completed formal education is that you don't end up with a structured thinking process. this is not so bad for people like engineers, who don't really need it quite to the degree, but you're trying to go into business.
mircea_popescu: of course, the us college hasn't been giving people thinking tools in 50 years, but anyway.
Drew: ^^^
Drew: i would like to think that i ended up with a structured thinking process
Drew: do you not think so/
mircea_popescu: casual examination would indicate otherwise, but hey. you're a millenial aren't you ? got plenty of time.
Drew: well i'm glad there is hope for me yet
Duffer1: you found your way here, that's no small thing
mircea_popescu: anyway, so run me through your expense structure. you need 1.25mn (exactly), which is to cover what ?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: US amateur radio licensing << there is an exam, multiple choice, concerning basic physics and law (as it pertains to radio in usa). the questions, if i recall, are... published. just like the joke that is u.s. 'citizenship test.'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know romanian citizenship requires you to know... official romanian history ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not surprised.
mircea_popescu: which differs in unexpected places from commonly accepted history, of course.
asciilifeform: naturally.
Drew: mircea honestly if you are willing i would love to shoot you over the complete financials to check out
Drew: i understand if you dont, but it would be much more effective than me trying to explain it all
mircea_popescu: why do you think that ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in it, do the dacians build rome?
Drew: why do i think that it would be more effective?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not quite to the degree, but god help you if you seem to think there's no such thing as "thracians", as distinct from whatever sarmatian cloud
mircea_popescu: Drew yes
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in the words of romania's first 3rd republic president, "we come from the ducks that come from the trucks"
Drew: because it is spread out over a 5 year period, 20 pages of excel
ozbot: Iliescu si engleza - YouTube
mircea_popescu: drew if you can't summarize it throw it out.
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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'don't touch the mustache.' (どういたしまして)
mircea_popescu: Dōitashimashite
asciilifeform: ducks/trucks line wasn't there
asciilifeform: but it isn't hard to see how it could have been.
mircea_popescu: uh it must be
ThickAsThieves: !up Drew
assbot: Voicing Drew for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if you want the license, visit a used book store, buy the question set, memorize, pony up the fee. at no point will you need to use brain.
ThickAsThieves: AltCoin Alert: Western Union Obtains Alternative Currency Exchange System Patent from USPTO
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dangit it's gone. somehow that clip got edited a little.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the guy explained romanian ethnogenesis in those terms. he meant dacians and thracians, not that that version'd have been any more sensible.
asciilifeform: that part seems obvious
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves yeah. a good reason for bitcoin to start ignoring patents too.
asciilifeform: how can one use anything resembling a functioning computer without ignoring patents?
mircea_popescu: elephant in room.
asciilifeform: obligatory spam:
ozbot: Loper OS » No Formats, no Format Wars.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I suppose that's what I'll have to do.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you seen the earlier bit about the php/objective-c key mismatch issue ?
asciilifeform: yeah, somehow not surprised
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.004332 = 0.4332 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: so you know, gotta have some mechanism to force people to not be retarded
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mircea_popescu: (malware story)
mircea_popescu: but sometiems one wonders how much of this malware serves a useful government function.
asciilifeform: 'untraceable payment mechanisms such as Paysafecard or uKash.' << spam-paypals still exist!?
mircea_popescu: they change about every 2 years, which consequently is the experimental period of law enforcing
mircea_popescu: currently paysafecard is going up and ukash is going out
asciilifeform: wonder if they serve any purpose but... this.
mircea_popescu: coupla years ago ukash was just taking over from... i forgot who
asciilifeform: and, who, exactly, keeps anything they cannot afford to lose, on a Pnohe?
mircea_popescu: people keep "everything they have" in reach of the government, and i nreach of a woman they met two weeks ago while drunk, and so on.
mircea_popescu: people are poor, and while the little they own is still all they own, the security they can feasibly deploy is nil
mircea_popescu: think of it this way : most women alive today can not afford to enforce the privacy of a room to fuck in.
mircea_popescu: so they either do it in the bushes, with the constant risk of a stray dog taking a piss on the couple during,
mircea_popescu: or else they put up with whatever nonsensical demands expectations and assorted nonsense someone with a chicken coop available may wish to put forward.
asciilifeform: i suppose 'people' are also innocent of the concept of backup.
mircea_popescu: no, just, innocent of the resources to get a spare disk.
mircea_popescu: "It is likely that the success of LZW and its thousands of implementations, especially among small developers, caught Unisys unprepared. Otherwise, it would be difficult to understand how Unisys could first allow a very large number of small and big developers to use LZW for years, and then, after the establishment of various standards based on LZW, change its attitude."
asciilifeform: 'submarine.'
mircea_popescu: yeah, seriously, it is so very difficult to understand. couldn't have even predicted it, either. o.O
asciilifeform: (actual term of art!)
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asciilifeform: innocent of the resources to get a spare disk << india? zimbabwe?
mircea_popescu: the world over.
asciilifeform: yes, viet cong had to fill bamboo stalks with half-dead batteries to power a radio. but the average shaved ape today is drowning in cheap hardware.
mircea_popescu: unless it's on obamacare they can't afford it.
asciilifeform: so, missing ingredient is brain (or giving a damn)
mircea_popescu: missing ingredient is always brain.
asciilifeform: as a teenager, i was kept in lavish supply hardware-wise just from what nearby (us) office parks dumped.
mircea_popescu: this is like having a 40 yo chick come to you for dancing lessons and you telling her "missing ingredient is you being 20". why tyvm, mr expert guy!
asciilifeform: and know quite a few others who feasted likewise.
mircea_popescu: but this is exceptional
Drew: sorry, had to grab a shower
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform frame the question better : you've not had any decent sleep in a week, you gotta make it in time to work cause else it's your ass.
Drew: the 1.25 million would, in summary, be used for the following over approximately 3 of the 5 years mentioned for the plan
mircea_popescu: and if you get fired you'll lose the apt and thus the deposit and thus homeless.
mircea_popescu: now tell me about getting spare drives. when ? with what ?
mircea_popescu: if you have 20 bux spare you'll get a manicure, maybe you find some guy that's not an asshoel.
Drew: talent buying, venue rentals, sound / lighting equipment, staffing, security, other event related costs
asciilifeform: lol, in wash. dc. you can see... hobos, with smartPnohes.
Drew: much of it on advertising and promotion materials and in general
Drew: in all likelihood we won't need the whole 1.25 million but there is a cushion of about 300,000 built in
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform basically it boils down to, your sorting algorithm of evil not matching theirs.
punkman: morning folks
mircea_popescu: Drew that was the shittiest summary in recorded history. try again.
mircea_popescu: punkman yo.
mircea_popescu: 'm like pavlov's dog over here punkman, i see your name i expect great links.
punkman: ;;google favela chic
gribble: FAVELA CHIC: <>; Favela Chic - République - Paris, France | Yelp: <>; Favela Chic, Paris - Restaurant Reviews - TripAdvisor: <>
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: somewhat tangentially, i notice that your illustrative examples of the ragged and starving are always grlz.
punkman: google fails me
asciilifeform: this is sorta like using alley cat as illustration of the biology of felis silverstris
asciilifeform: *silvestris
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well that's my pov. i mostly care about, interact with and experience the world through womenz.
Drew: that made me laugh pretty hard i must say
Drew: lol one second
asciilifeform: life of the feral animal is hard, sure.
punkman: "Favela Chic is when you have lost everything material, everything you built and everything you had, but you’re still wired to the gills! And really big on Facebook. That’s Favela Chic."
punkman: "You lost everything, you have no money, you have no career, you have no health insurance, you’re not even sure where you live, you don’t have children, and you have no steady relationship or any set of dependable friends. And it’s hot. It’s a really cool place to be. "
asciilifeform: obligatory:
ozbot: ClubOrlov: Dead Souls
mircea_popescu: punkman favela if memory serves is the precarious squatting living arrangements most south america enjoys
punkman: yeah it is
mircea_popescu: flatron tv set in hole in the wall ruin sort of thing
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.43255 = 0.8651 BTC [-] {2}
ozbot: 8.001 billion | Next Diff in 898 blocks | Estimated Change: 8.0148% in 5d 17h 30m 56s
mircea_popescu wonders wtf TheNewDeal is. then has dejavu moment. then remembers it's testing123.
mircea_popescu: what's in a name!
TheNewDeal: are you saying testing123 is more memorable?
mike_c: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 299485 | Current Difficulty: 8.0008721359681635E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 300383 | Next Difficulty In: 898 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 16 hours, 50 minutes, and 15 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 8647989715.8 | Estimated Percent Change: 8.08809
mike_c: gribble and oz differ by a whole day on diff change
mike_c: yet same estimated change
mike_c: somebody has a bug.
mircea_popescu: "I really would like you to contrast that with what you have to do with HTML on the Internet. " asciilifeform re your article, god help us if we end up executing code off the data
mircea_popescu: how in the shithells is this a good idea ?!
TheNewDeal: looks like gribble
TheNewDeal: bitcoinwisdom is 5.7 days at 11.6 %
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal no im just saying switching nicks is a very expensive operation for everyone else
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the same way that jumping out of an airplane can be a good idea.
asciilifeform: with the correct equipment.
mircea_popescu: let's have the equipment first
mircea_popescu: then i'll consider it
asciilifeform: that was sorta the point of the piece (and the whole fscking site...)
mircea_popescu: !up drew
assbot: Voicing drew for 30 minutes.
mike_c: ;;calc 898 / 6 / 24
gribble: 6.23611111111
mike_c: yeah, no way 4 days 16 hours
mike_c: is nanotube responsible for that?
Drew: gracias
benkay: <mircea_popescu> why portland and not boston ? << generally there is only one reason to locate in portland and that is low-cost 'engineering' talent.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform now as far as programmable gpus go, o boy would computer games love thids
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the horror with which nearly every reader (who wrote in) reacted to that piece, is indicative of the true depths of the hole we are in.
mircea_popescu: benkay i dunno, that's why the producers hire research depts yo uknow ? not my jobsworth :D
TheNewDeal: can i get a linky?
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal to ?
TheNewDeal: this ascii piece
TheNewDeal: ... re god help us if we end up executing code off the data
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
mircea_popescu: "Let the trolls try to collect danegeld from a hundred million consumers!" << this may be dangerous, in that putting too much weight on something "that will hold anything" never works. like you know, 19th century poliution and the ideas of "send fumes in the air, it can take anything" or "water will wash anyhing away"
mircea_popescu: maybe with too many incentives stacked up, they'll figure out a way to do it, and that'll be a horror worse than any other.
TheNewDeal: dead souls Club Orlov?
mircea_popescu: already working on it in the us to a distasteful degree.
asciilifeform: this is called 'heighten the contradictions'
benkay: <Drew> but while buying an idaho bun may taste different than a florida bun, a meyer subwoofer rented from idaho would be the same as one rented in florida << the tastes and social mores differ wildly across the different regions. f'r instance, you'll have a mighty hard time displacing red cube in portland (but again don't ever do anything in this town)
asciilifeform: sorta like the earthquake machine.
mircea_popescu: works better from safe distance.
asciilifeform: when the glass breaks.
Drew: Cost of Goods Sold Artists463,350 Marketing184,600 Production92,300 Security46,150 Ticket Fee20,470 Venue52,775 Other0 Cost of Goods Sold859,645 Gross Profit (Loss)778,133
Drew: this format doesnt transfer well, that was a test, brb
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 16 @ 0.44992636 = 7.1988 BTC [+] {6}
mircea_popescu: Drew it's fine
benkay: <Drew> i would like to think that i ended up with a structured thinking process << hang out here and you might be so lucky as to have one beaten into you
mircea_popescu: can you believe, dear assets, that the ticket mafia gypped him for almost 40% of the rent of the venue ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.4499555 = 0.8999 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: land of the <del>brave</del> fucktarded.
mod6: srsly, effed.
Drew: yup
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: works better from safe distance << not everybody gets the luxury of a safe distance. some folks have to make do with, e.g. -
Drew: one day i would like to see a bitcoin ticketing platform
Drew: free of ticket fees....
Drew: *tear*
mircea_popescu: not so far off.
Drew: i know
mircea_popescu: anyway. this actually looks like a sane budget. who made it ?
Drew: looking forward to it
Drew: one of my team members
mircea_popescu: ok. so this was for the lunar thing ?
Drew: yessir
asciilifeform: (that 'lance mine.' there's a vietnamese film, of a parade, 1970s, where merry cadets march around with... them. presumably spoils of the old war.)
Drew: 20 pages of sane financials like that
Drew: or yes ma'am
mike_c: asciilifeform: does the soldier survive? it's not a kamikaze thing is it?
asciilifeform: mike_c: exactly what you expect.
Drew: or whatever, internet anonymity reigns
asciilifeform: in comments to the parade film, people asked, 'why toilet plungers?!'
benkay: <mircea_popescu> ThickAsThieves yeah. a good reason for bitcoin to start ignoring patents too. << bitcoin cares about patents today?!
mircea_popescu: mike_c the soldier *may* survive.
mike_c: ok. so the 'suicide' part is that you have to get within a pole's length of the tank :)
mircea_popescu: Drew alright. see, now you're sounding a lot less like dank.
asciilifeform: it's a shaped charge. so, your luck depends on the fragments flying, among other things.
Drew: thank you
mike_c: penetrate 6 inches of steel, must be quite a charge
mircea_popescu: anyway, this is all for me. see you ~guys~ in the morning.
mircea_popescu: the gals im seeing tonite.
Drew: mircea
Drew: thanks very much for your input, it was a pleasure meeting you
Drew: e- meeting you at least
Drew: i'll prolly be lurking around here trying to have a structured way of thinking beaten into me eventually
benkay: ;;gettrust Drew
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user Drew: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: never
benkay: start there.
Drew: ill start tomorrow
benkay: no sense rushing.
Drew: ill be back here for advice almost certainly
Drew: theres no time like the present
benkay: Drew: ^^
benkay: ping me if you get into trouble.
Drew: saved
Drew: is it as easy as /ping benkay
benkay: don't register until you've blown it away and restored it from backup at least twice.
benkay: no ping necessary
benkay: well, you can't talk in here
benkay: /msg benkay yourmessage
benkay: or /query benkay for conversation
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.00012955 = 0.2591 BTC [+]
benkay: if i don't respond within fifteen minutes i'm offline.
Drew: does query open a private convo/
benkay: yup
Drew: cool
Drew: thanks very much, ill save that and check it out tomorrow
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 302 @ 0.00430064 = 1.2988 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27254 @ 0.0008544 = 23.2858 BTC [-]
TheNewDeal: mpex drop?
TheNewDeal: didn't think those were possible any more
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0314001 = 0.1256 BTC [-]
peterl: change in mpex price is just mircea_popescu having fun messing with the people trying to daytrade his stock
peterl: </tinfoil hat>
TheNewDeal: hahaha
TheNewDeal: fucking over his shareholders
peterl: or shaking out the weak hands before he pumps the price up again
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0694779 = 0.139 BTC [+]
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