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BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: I think Mircea claimed that one in Channel as one of his personal betting addresses.
TheNewDeal: they bet 57 yes to 42 no on 1 BTC >= $10,000 USD before Novermber 29th, 2014
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: I think he does that on some bets to get the bets started at roughly correct odds and to encourage action on them.
TheNewDeal: roughly correct odds?!?!
TheNewDeal: i guess it was skyrocketing in price at the time
BingoBoingo: Well, no one knows what exact odds are going to be when these open, and events move odds over time.
BingoBoingo: But yeah, twas skyrocketing.
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decimation: the mice are debating whether a bell ought to be affixed to the cat: http://boingboing.net/2014/05/03/glenn-greenwald-and-michael-ha.html
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mircea_popescu: !up arsenische
assbot: Voicing arsenische for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: hey there.
arsenische: mircea_popescu: hi
mircea_popescu: so i see you've dropped that notion that advertisers should follow the publishers and evaluate them one by one
mircea_popescu: which is a move towards sanity.
arsenische: yes, there should be some other way to do it
mircea_popescu: ok. what are your plans with the thing currently ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18021 @ 0.00083899 = 15.1194 BTC [-] {2}
arsenische: there is much work to be done. we need to find a solution for better ad unit classification and evaluation. improve accounting and statistics for advertisers.
mircea_popescu: currently, what's your revenue model ? you charge advertisers a % ? how much ?
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fluffypony: won't that lead to an environment where advertisers cherry-pick only the especially large publishers and ignore all the little ones?
mircea_popescu: no, because advertisers can't possibly be arsed to do that.
fluffypony: well that's the other thing
fluffypony: were I an advertiser I'd maybe do that the first time round
mircea_popescu: that's the main thing :p
fluffypony: then be too lazy afterwards
fluffypony: unless you made it REALLY easy with categories
mircea_popescu: arsenische ?
punkman: you want to make money rapping, better not talk like a fag: http://rappers.mdaniels.com.s3-website-us-east-1.amazonaws.com/
arsenische: sorry, I have poor connection
fluffypony: Wu-Tang up front? nice
mircea_popescu: punkman is there such a thing as fagrap ? i mean there's everything else, some chick introduced me to her christian rap brother.
arsenische: Twenty percent of all monies paid by advertisers will be considered AnonymousAds fees.
mircea_popescu: arsenische okay, i have a proposition for you. it goes like this :
mircea_popescu: 1. you get in the wot, we go partners in yoru anon ads service, work it pretty much on the bitbet model. it can be listed on mpex.
mircea_popescu: 2. we kick out all the current publishers. we require all publishers to come here and have their platform approved to be added to a-a.
mircea_popescu: we'll be insanely picky, in that, only actual blogs carrying actual interesting material written by interestin people will be accepted. jurov's thing may not make the cut even.
punkman: mircea_popescu: there is indeed fagrap, for instance http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soce,_the_elemental_wizard
mircea_popescu: punkman nuts.
arsenische: mircea_popescu: sorry, what is bitbet model?
mircea_popescu: arsenische kakobrekla did the coding and maintains the codebase, he gets a signed list of bitcoin addresses to use whenever needed. i keep the books, and generally handle the business side for it.
mircea_popescu: http://mpex.co/?mpsic=S.BBET << that is the contract, if you've never read it
ozbot: S.BBET last 37@0.00054000
mircea_popescu: !jd mpif
assbot: Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 163.82465569 BTC; -0.00924977 BTC (-0.0056%) since last check 6h 32m 21s ago.
punkman: hah
mircea_popescu: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BmvmpI5IIAEq6LO.jpg:large how hot is this chick, esteemed chan ? on a 1 to 10 scale. ty.
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mircea_popescu: !up arsenische
assbot: Voicing arsenische for 30 minutes.
punkman: hmm 8 or 9, let's say 8.5
fluffypony: 7 tops
mircea_popescu: if i get 5 votes ima share my own.
mircea_popescu: !up JoshG
assbot: Voicing JoshG for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: JoshG you there ?
JoshG: sup
mircea_popescu: you the arcemu guy ?
JoshG: Apepars that way :p
JoshG: appears* ah
mircea_popescu: ;;ident JoshG
gribble: Nick 'JoshG', with hostmask 'JoshG!~hasbro@arcemu/staff/hasbro', is not identified.
mircea_popescu: get in the wot i'll give you a rating.
JoshG: wot?
mircea_popescu: yes, the web of trust. this thing :
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust Hasbro
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user Hasbro: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=Hasbro | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Hasbro | Rated since: never
arsenische: I appreciate your suggestion to focus on the most valuable publishers and get rid of all the trash. But... won't it be difficult to maintain a binary approach (accept/reject)? Maybe we could just evaluate ad units to have some "quality" attribute, and allow advetisers to set the theshold for their campaigns.
mircea_popescu: arsenische nah, because your thing exists to serve the advertiser, and the advertiser needs to have an absolute he can rely on.
mircea_popescu: showing 1mn impressions/10k clicks a day when he knows it's all bots is worth 0 to anyone.
Hasbro: How do I “get in” ?
mircea_popescu: arsenische anyway, it's a big move, feel free to think it through, ask any questions. no pressure.
Hasbro: ;;rate
gribble: (rate <nick> <rating> [<notes>]) -- Enters a rating for <nick> in the amount of <rating>. Use optional <notes> field to enter any notes you have about this user. <nick> must be the user's GPG-registered username, Your previously existing rating, if any, will be overwritten.
mircea_popescu: well... no pressure other than the fact that obviously i want something like this, so if you pass i'll just have someone write a ocmpetitor.
Hasbro: too fancy for me
arsenische: mircea_popescu: I will, thank you
Hasbro: dcc me all your bitcodes
Hasbro: I’ll be here, ty
mircea_popescu: Hasbro lol take the advice of strangers, it's the best kind of advice you'll ever get. you wanna be in that thing.
fluffypony: lol dcc...that was THE WAY to get warez back in the days
Hasbro: mircea_popescu: trusting me would be a very bad idea
Hasbro: depends, asl?
mircea_popescu: i'm old and male.
punkman: mircea_popescu: this might be of interest http://decknetwork.net/
ozbot: ytcracker - Warez Loder - YouTube
mircea_popescu: punkman by no means a novel concept, being picky.
mircea_popescu: heck, i've been picky all my life to surprisingly positive results. i'm not even fat.
punkman: rather rare in the online advertising biz though
mircea_popescu: so is making money.
mircea_popescu: you know, it's not just the bitcoin forum that works on the "least value is most visible" principle.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2378 @ 0.00084091 = 1.9997 BTC [+]
bounce: "back in the day" for me is tape swapping, as dcc just wasn't fast enough
mircea_popescu: "back in the day" for me is plugging z80s into the tv
mircea_popescu: because the romanians actually broadcast stolen code over tv.
bounce heard the programs flowing through the air too. radio though, and not stolen of course. because civilised and all that. yeah.
mircea_popescu: fuck you and your civilised moms :D
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10463 @ 0.00084516 = 8.8429 BTC [+]
bounce: still have a book with bunches of hexencoded code printed, for you to type over. I perhaps should scan the thing, then see if I can't OCR and put it in an emulator.
fluffypony: I think I still have my C64 code book
fluffypony: with handwritten snippets at the back
mircea_popescu: bounce first blogpost!
bounce: o_O?
mircea_popescu: scan it, post it.
bounce: heh, right. I got plenty original material to post, just can't be arsed to find a place to post it, then post it.
mircea_popescu: well what if i told you there;s going to be a marvelous ad network, allowing ytou to make entire pennies each day!
bounce: ZOMG GOTTA GIT ON DAT GRAVVY TRAIN
fluffypony: s/pennies/satoshis
bounce: here's an idea: shared webhosting for satoshis. 10000 websites hosted on an aws micro.
mircea_popescu: yeah dude, totally.
mircea_popescu: and if i wanna punish someone, but i mean, REALLY punish them
mircea_popescu: i give them one week tech support on that line.
bounce: static only content only, obviously. I'd set it up if aws let me sign up (which they don't--need phone and cc and then the derping really starts. what do they want now, my first born?)
mircea_popescu: prolly work as abortifacient too
mircea_popescu: i used to have a first born
mircea_popescu: but then i signed up for an aws micro
bounce: as long as it's cheap, eh
mircea_popescu: hey, what terminally ill gpg implementation do osx folks use ?
mircea_popescu: i keep forgetting
fluffypony: standard gpg
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 3 @ 0.14 = 0.42 BTC [+]
fluffypony: http://brew.sh + brew install gpg
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5900 @ 0.00084824 = 5.0046 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: !up Hasbro
assbot: Voicing Hasbro for 30 minutes.
Hasbro: gpg eregister
Hasbro: how do I send that
mircea_popescu: ;;gpg eregister
gribble: (gpg eregister <nick> <keyid>) -- Register your GPG identity, associating GPG key <keyid> with <nick>. <keyid> is a 16 digit key id, with or without the '0x' prefix. We look on servers listed in 'plugins.GPG.keyservers' config. You will be given a link to a page which contains a one time password encrypted with your key. Decrypt, and use the 'everify' command with it. Your (1 more message)
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mircea_popescu: punkman so i checked two sites randomly from those deck guys. one doesn't load at all (http://www.yayhooray.com/) the other does not show the ads (http://butdoesitfloat.com/)
mircea_popescu: at 9k per month for a spot in a rotation, this is NOT being picky.
punkman: maybe nobody has bought ads on that
mircea_popescu: i could see why not.
punkman: no, it has ads, you just need more JS
mircea_popescu: ;;ident Hasbro
gribble: Nick 'Hasbro', with hostmask 'Hasbro!~hasbro@arcemu/staff/hasbro', is identified as user 'Hasbro', with GPG key id 51D245C43C2D4FA1, key fingerprint 6BEB20114F1E24F9029A1CDE51D245C43C2D4FA1, and bitcoin address None
mircea_popescu: ;;rate Hasbro 1 ArcEmu guy.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user Hasbro has been recorded.
Hasbro: tyvm
Hasbro: <3
mircea_popescu: Hasbro now you can voice yourself here. reg with gribble and then pm assbot !up
Hasbro: I think I am registered with gribble
BigBitz: ;;gpg info Hasbro
gribble: User 'Hasbro', with keyid 51D245C43C2D4FA1, fingerprint 6BEB20114F1E24F9029A1CDE51D245C43C2D4FA1, and bitcoin address None, registered on Sun May 4 04:59:28 2014, last authed on Sun May 4 04:59:28 2014. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=Hasbro . Currently authenticated from hostmask Hasbro!~hasbro@arcemu/staff/hasbro .
mircea_popescu: you are, yes.
BigBitz: you're authed, also.
mircea_popescu: it expires your session if you ever blink (ie, if it doesn' see you)
Hasbro: damn so now you and LE have my fingerprint :/
mircea_popescu: your gpg fingerprint ?
mircea_popescu: that's an arbitrary string, you can make as many as you want.
BigBitz: That's public anyway, Hasbro :)
Hasbro: nu uh
BigBitz: if you load it to keyservers... yes :)
mircea_popescu: kinda why they're called public keys. to be public.
BigBitz: Public Keys mean........ public.
Hasbro: I’m just kiddin'
BigBitz: YOU BETTER BE!
mircea_popescu: BigBitz mac ppl. what do they know of lulz.
BigBitz uses Mac :)
mircea_popescu: conspiraci
BigBitz: perhaps I just validated your point :>
Hasbro: lol
mircea_popescu: self validating point is self validating itself
bounce didn't use gpg key exactly because key servers
BigBitz: hehe
Hasbro: what’s wrong with key servers
BigBitz: bounce uploaded his private key :/
BigBitz: UH OH SPEGGAHITO.
mircea_popescu: key servers killed my auntie
Hasbro: lol
BigBitz: public flogging, mircea_popescu?
mircea_popescu: this is how we know the earth to be banana shaped
ozbot: Instagram
ozbot: 8.001 billion | Next Diff in 1335 blocks | Estimated Change: 6.7080% in 8d 15h 20m 44s
mircea_popescu: wow a bait that didn't suck.
Hasbro: .bait
Hasbro: can’t fap to that
fluffypony: BigBitz sup
Naphex: morning
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.076 = 0.228 BTC [-]
BigBitz: fluffypony not much bro.
BigBitz: sup with you ?
fluffypony: busy busy
BigBitz: counting all your money?
BigBitz: or is that just mircea_popescu ?
mircea_popescu: im counting the money, he's cunting the blondies, we got a whole system
fluffypony: "cunting the blondies"
fluffypony: sounds about right
BigBitz: how do I get involved in this counting and cunting action?
Naphex: so localbitcoins got bit?;o
BigBitz: with preference to the cunting...
Naphex: what is it with people not securing their bootloader and datacenters
Naphex: just rebooting servers trolol
BigBitz: Naphex LBC has been bit a few times. I prevented their last big one.
BigBitz: Naphex fools be foolin'
mircea_popescu: Naphex yes. best part about it is the "everything's safe, we got wiped."
fluffypony: Naphex: it's also really shitty on the DC's part
BigBitz: the time the guy got away with 80BTC I found it and alerted jeramis before they lost a lot of their BTC.
BigBitz: so simple...
BigBitz: ENFORCE MFA FOR WITHDRAW, PLOX.
mircea_popescu: BigBitz what, you host ?
BigBitz: mircea_popescu no.
BigBitz: I secure.
BigBitz: DoctorBTC in -otc was talking/asking about image related malware.
BigBitz: I got interested...
BigBitz: He told me someone was stealing BTC from LBC using image based malware.
BingoBoingo: Oh, a-ads might do something?
BigBitz: they weren't.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo up to arsenische atm.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Interesting.
mircea_popescu: BigBitz what i don't get is, why the fuck would local bitcoins hold any bitcoins. just run it like craigslist, what do you want to hold on to the risk for.
BigBitz: enforced escrow.
BigBitz: makes sense; if you can secure your shit.
mircea_popescu: fuck that. it's nonsense. you can't enforce escrow.
BigBitz: adds some validitity to the trade.
BigBitz: mircea_popescu enforced in the sense it must be filled before it can be traded.
BigBitz: proof, at least, there is bitcoin available.
mircea_popescu: yes ok. but that can be done many other (better) ways
mircea_popescu: and isn't actually escrow
BigBitz: Yup.
BigBitz: I'm aware :)
mircea_popescu: so you know, they just eat a pie of risk for no upside.
mircea_popescu: but then again... hey. business isn't a skill we're born with.
BigBitz: speak to jereamis I think he's seen enough upside ;)
BigBitz: business acumen isn't rife in Bitcoin land.
mircea_popescu: as they say, the best way to sink a good team with a good idea is a bad revenue stream.
mircea_popescu: BigBitz in fact, local bitcoins could just verify a btc address signature, for the same effects, not having to hold any btc in the process.
cazalla: mircea_popescu: going back to KLYE discussion earlier - do you think there is a market for insex type content + bitcoin?
BigBitz: sure but that's as worthwhile as saying "here it is" then moving it instantly.
mircea_popescu: cazalla only for people who actually control a harem of willing babes.
BigBitz: someone hit up Dan BIlaizare.
punkman: did KLYE deliver the harem pic?
mircea_popescu: BigBitz not exactly different in effect than the pseudo-escrow.
mircea_popescu: punkman nah.
BigBitz: mircea_popescu it's not quite pseudo -- they get the coin.
BigBitz: IT's the release actions which have had flaws.
mircea_popescu: BigBitz someone explained in here why this model is very vulnerable irl.
mircea_popescu: "cams will see the person leave with their own item" sort of thing.
BigBitz: coz ppl b stuped.
BingoBoingo: arsenische: Oh, you run a-ads?
mircea_popescu: BigBitz also, kinda trivial to verify address has been meanwhile emptied, doesn't show so good on the proposed seller.
mircea_popescu: lol all these fucktards spending on google ads for "bitcoin" for their shitty fiat scams. "Bitcoin - Welcome Bonus, 1:10, Starting 100 €"
BigBitz: lol
BigBitz: The world is still full of stupid people who don't know Bitcoin from sand.
mircea_popescu: so you're saying that the notion that someone googling bitcoin would actually fall for the most tired webscams is not exactly without basis ?
BigBitz: education isn't exactly non-existant but "MAKE DEM QUICK BUCKS"
BigBitz: I'm saying some people think they can have their cake and eat it. for free.
mircea_popescu: welll... they can definitely... eat it.
ozbot: Lil Debbie - BAKE A CAKE - Official Video - YouTube
mircea_popescu: fox news hating on oculus rift.
BigBitz: Fox News Hating.
mircea_popescu: "there is no fda in the tech space!!!11"
BigBitz: You need no further words, generally.
mircea_popescu: "think of the children!!!1"
BigBitz: oneEleveN
mircea_popescu: "Zuckerberg’s obvious theory (given that he expresses no conscious desire to do harm) is that Facebook and the Oculus VR are good businesses and good ways to communicate and have fun. My theory is that Facebook is an addictive technological drug that, like every drug, gives people temporary pleasure and, ultimately, causes many people to become psychiatrically ill."
mircea_popescu: right. because doctor a-blow is now allowed to put his opinions on the same table.
mircea_popescu: "We are deploying powerful technology drugs to our young people"
BigBitz: "DRUGS ARE GOOD. From Facebook"
mircea_popescu: we. you know, doctor a-blow is... somehow, don't ask how, part of all this.
mircea_popescu: he like knows and shit. he's like invented google, he's in this tech thing. we.
BigBitz: mircea_popescu I get the impression I don't even need to be here for you to converse...
mircea_popescu: "Dr. Keith Ablow is a psychiatrist and member of the Fox News Medical A-Team." unintentional irony ftw.
mircea_popescu: BigBitz well atm i was ranting
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo damn that short ugly thing's voice is annoying.
ozbot: Obama Administration Launches Plan To Make An "Internet ID" A Reality | Zero Hedge
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07616666 = 0.2285 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: Naphex i gues they never heard of gpg still huh.
Naphex: hehe prolly
Naphex: they are going for x509 certificates
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: See, When you complain about us getting Britney Spears... Those were the bad, but not so bad days. Now we have those things.
mircea_popescu: Naphex so they're going to pay anoither 50 bn or w/e obamacare.com cost, to have someone make them a https site ?
mircea_popescu: !up arsenische
assbot: Voicing arsenische for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you nut, i just realised you were asking the guy questions he had no voice.
BigBitz: !up mircea_popescu
assbot: Voicing mircea_popescu without time-limit.
BigBitz: w00t
mircea_popescu: !up urmom
assbot: Voicing urmom for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: should be enough for her.
BigBitz: Doubtful.
BigBitz: She's a go-er.
BigBitz: She'll fuck you, probably.
mircea_popescu: a wink's as good as a nudge.
assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 1094 @ 0.00325487 = 3.5608 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00084767 = 8.5615 BTC [-]
Naphex: <+mircea_popescu> Naphex so they're going to pay anoither 50 bn or w/e obamacare.com cost, to have someone make them a https site ?
Naphex: probably
Naphex: thats how they do all gov eauctions everywhere
Naphex: with x509 and https
Naphex: and ofcourse all platforms are shitty, expensive, horrible
BingoBoingo: Don't forget the key escrow
mircea_popescu: Naphex what i mean is, technically speaking any https site satisfies the "it uses x509" criterion. and so, a contractor could in principle slap a lamp on a box, draw up 3 pages and there you go, invoice for 50 billion.
mircea_popescu: not that this isn't how it'll end up working
Naphex: well it will have specs attached
Naphex: but it will most likely use x509 certificates, and "ssl authentication"
Naphex: you gotta have that certificate imported and loaded to log in
Naphex: so thats what your gov id will be
Naphex: and most likely use adobe with x509 to sign/encrypt send pdf documents
Naphex: :))
Naphex: i think that 'portal' - thats what they call shitty webapps that cost hundreds of milions
Naphex: went for around 30, 40 mil eur
Naphex: so you get that web app, with x509 certificates/documents and thats bout it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3050 @ 0.00084529 = 2.5781 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: Naphex which is why it sucks being the government.
mircea_popescu: you're like that stupid kid everyone beats up and takes lunch money from. even the girls.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 534 @ 0.00019097 = 0.102 BTC [-] {3}
Naphex: well imo
Naphex: the thing is, you can drag gov auctions forever
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5657 @ 0.00084519 = 4.7812 BTC [-] {2}
Naphex: so a lot of companies will just price that in their bid, pushing it up
Naphex: a lot of other fun stuff like corruption, inside deals, and pref specs go on as well
Naphex: which will just add up
Naphex: also companies have to finance most up front, then wait for gov money
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2525 @ 0.0001852 = 0.4676 BTC [-] {11}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7950 @ 0.00084787 = 6.7406 BTC [+] {3}
Hasbro: you know it’s early am when I’m reading hair dying techniques at 622am
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1972 @ 0.00018138 = 0.3577 BTC [-] {6}
fluffypony: Hasbro: hair chalk is the solution
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.06474168 = 0.1295 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15350 @ 0.00084516 = 12.9732 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3251 @ 0.00084927 = 2.761 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3407 @ 0.00084516 = 2.8795 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.1405 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 298 @ 0.00084516 = 0.2519 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.00084434 = 7.8524 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.0319899 = 0.2559 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13350 @ 0.00084933 = 11.3386 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 38 @ 0.00630004 = 0.2394 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9350 @ 0.00084855 = 7.9339 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6100 @ 0.00084854 = 5.1761 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3500 @ 0.00014841 = 0.5194 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.07502107 = 0.9003 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 7 @ 0.06474168 = 0.4532 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.0750977 = 1.502 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 907 @ 0.00084854 = 0.7696 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.074 = 0.148 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21849 @ 0.00084331 = 18.4255 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3500 @ 0.00084468 = 2.9564 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07271111 = 0.1454 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13100 @ 0.00084275 = 11.04 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00084468 = 3.3787 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2024 @ 0.00084115 = 1.7025 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9600 @ 0.00084384 = 8.1009 BTC [+] {2}
FabianB: !t m S.MPOE
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00083786 / 0.00091525 / 0.00097187 (488970 shares, 447.53 BTC), 7D: 0.00083786 / 0.00096558 / 0.00098485 (5245781 shares, 5,065.24 BTC), 30D: 0.00083786 / 0.00096921 / 0.00101 (19564348 shares, 18,962.04 BTC)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.48322048 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.0319899 = 0.3839 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4678 @ 0.00084265 = 3.9419 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1495 @ 0.00014824 = 0.2216 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: !up PsychoticBoy
assbot: Voicing PsychoticBoy for 30 minutes.
kakobrekla: !jd mpif
assbot: Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 163.83914054 BTC; +0.01448485 BTC (+0.0088%) since last check 5h 14m 6s ago.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4700 @ 0.00084728 = 3.9822 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00084728 = 8.3033 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2313 @ 0.00084182 = 1.9471 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.475 = 2.85 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.07502333 = 0.4501 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.075101 = 0.3004 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.06474168 = 0.1942 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13850 @ 0.00084129 = 11.6519 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.075101 = 1.2016 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.075101 = 0.751 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9676 @ 0.00084635 = 8.1893 BTC [+] {2}
ThickAsThieves: she's "Director of Public Affairs" for BTCFoundation
ThickAsThieves: jurov has a blog?
BigBitz: Still...
BigBitz: you'd fuck her.
fluffypony: "Happily married // Committed to ever after // Champion for innovative technology & policies that empower people // Director of Public Affairs"
ThickAsThieves: lol, she leads her twitter description with
fluffypony: lawlz.
ThickAsThieves: you beat me to it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.0008466 = 6.9421 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1400 @ 0.00014888 = 0.2084 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.06474168 = 0.1942 BTC [-]
pankkake: jurov's blog is http://explo.yt/
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves lol.
mircea_popescu: lying is a scammer's true nature.
ThickAsThieves: oh yeah i forgot jurov had a blog cuz i filed it under MPEx tutorials
mircea_popescu: since when is the alleged foundation supporting ripple anyway
ThickAsThieves: surely they are plutonium level members
ThickAsThieves: pay to play
mircea_popescu: what, if bin laden becomes a tritium level member they're going to support bombing tall ny buildings ?
asciilifeform: osmium level.
ThickAsThieves: i thought you supported no-moderation advertising?!
ThickAsThieves: speaking of which, i wanna serve bitbet mike_c dynamic ads
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves srsly.
ThickAsThieves: i have the biggest and most hits in the paraverse
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves understand tho : this is moderated as to venue, not as to content.
mircea_popescu: exactly opposite
ThickAsThieves: i'm just playin re BTCFundnation
ThickAsThieves: shilling aint advertising
ThickAsThieves: well it is
ThickAsThieves: my blog has 56 unique users, is that good?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves it's sort-of good.
ThickAsThieves: i could probably add a hundred or so if i plugged it to the forum
ThickAsThieves: but i dont want stalkers and trolls
ozbot: Awstats and stuff pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: there, you got lamp, you prolly got awstats
ThickAsThieves: dammit you killed my cookie again
mircea_popescu: i did not kill no cookies
mircea_popescu: i just eat them
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 4 @ 0.1405 = 0.562 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: hmm does cookie eating coincide with header gfx changes?
ThickAsThieves: you have mircerberus art now
ThickAsThieves: holy shit you have 240k unique users?!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 771 @ 0.0008426 = 0.6496 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: it's the web you know ?
ThickAsThieves: well i'm still gonna treat you normal, your head is big enough
ThickAsThieves: and now you have 3
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03130001 = 0.1565 BTC [-] {2}
artifexd: Need more proof that mircea_popescu is the Chuck Norris of finance? Apparently he can divide by zero. Ref: http://trilema.com/2014/smg-april-2014-statement/
mircea_popescu: artifexd wait wut ?
artifexd: P/E is "Price divide by earnings", right? Zero earnings means dividing by zero.
artifexd: Wait. Nevermind. My eyes jumped ahead of my brain.
mircea_popescu: "The P/E implied value per share is thus 0 BTC." unzips, depacks and deflates as "the value of each share calculated on the basis of the P/E of this company so far would be 0"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11132 @ 0.00084585 = 9.416 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07649999 = 0.153 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4024 @ 0.00084781 = 3.4116 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.64309480 BTC to 8`410 shares, 31428 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.032 = 0.224 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.03300011 = 0.132 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.06474168 = 0.3237 BTC [-]
bitcoinpete: ;;later tell punkman now i wanna catch up on some wu tang clan!
gribble: The operation succeeded.
fluffypony: all you need is a vocab of 9k words!
kakobrekla: !jd mpif
assbot: Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 163.89471781 BTC; +0.05557727 BTC (+0.0339%) since last check 3h 53m 41s ago.
BingoBoingo: whelp, just got back from the hospital
mircea_popescu: did you hit on the nurses or did they hit on you
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: are you HIV aladeen or HIV aladeen?
bitcoinpete: fluffypony: ha!
bitcoinpete: i have some aladeen news for you
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: DIdn't test for that. Instead I was diagnosed with aladeen.
fluffypony: you are...HIV aladeen...
mircea_popescu: wtf is this aladeen mangosteen
fluffypony: :) ... :( ... :) ... :/
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Reference to some Jew movie
bitcoinpete: my body double's latest movie: the dictator
bitcoinpete: "Sacha Baron Cohen attended The 84th Annual Academy Awards (2012) in character and full costume as Aladeen, accompanied by his "virgin guards". While giving an interview on the red carpet to an unsuspecting Ryan Seacrest he brandished an urn he claimed to contain the remains of deceased North Korean dictator Jong-il Kim. Cohen then spilled the ashes all over Seacrest's tuxedo. As a result, Cohen was banned from entering the auditori
bitcoinpete: or participating in the events."
fluffypony: totally not a setup at all
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2750 @ 0.0008499 = 2.3372 BTC [+] {2}
bitcoinpete: meh promo
mircea_popescu: he didn't even have a ticket
bitcoinpete: General Aladeen: [to his pregnant wife] Are you having a boy or an abortion?
ozbot: THE DICTATOR - HIV Aladeen - YouTube
fluffypony: lol bitcoinpete
Framedragger: i've to admit, even though this chan is full of pompastic arrogant fucks, the content is pretty sweet
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43244 @ 0.00084497 = 36.5399 BTC [-] {7}
mircea_popescu: hello to you too Framedragger
Framedragger: long time
mircea_popescu: ;;google pompastic
gribble: THE WORDORIUM - A Dictionary of Daffy Definitions: POMPASTIC: <http://www.wordorium.blogspot.com/2005/03/pompastic.html>; pompastic! on Pinterest: <http://www.pinterest.com/missjohnnam/pompastic/>; Ashish prints and pom poms | Graphic Prints / Clashing colours | Pint…: <http://www.pinterest.com/pin/448741550340772181/>
mircea_popescu: ;;google where is vragnaroda to teach this guy grammer.
gribble: No matches found.
Framedragger: gribble fails at google
pankkake: the correct form is… pompatic?!
mircea_popescu: mr bombastik pretty fantastik...
Framedragger: which actually provides some sense
Framedragger: i choose the "to shake a pompom vigorously" interpretation
mircea_popescu: so you just meant pompous ?
fluffypony: pompous-nisity
Framedragger: i guess. i just made a literal mapping from own tongue onto english. but english failed on me :( so, "pompous"
mircea_popescu: the mapping failed you!
fluffypony: close enough
ozbot: Pompatic - definition of Pompatic by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.
bitcoinpete: "FXBTC said that long-term financial losses stemming from what it termed a “blockade” by the PBOC resulted in the management team deciding to end the service."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11900 @ 0.0008418 = 10.0174 BTC [-]
bitcoinpete: "Russian or Ukrainian" buyer snaps up £140m flat at 1 hyde park and BoE screams "top!"
ozbot: BBC News - Bank of England warns on house price 'correction'
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.0044012 = 0.11 BTC [-] {2}
ozbot: Russian bombers, fighter jets 'seen over Crimea' - Yahoo News
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 66 @ 0.00199999 = 0.132 BTC [+] {3}
ozbot: China Prepares Massive Investments in Crimea : World : ChinaTopix.com
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 28 @ 0.00441948 = 0.1237 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: so much win.
benkay: stories from the loltron
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13162 @ 0.00084314 = 11.0974 BTC [+] {2}
benkay: client wants to do a thing with asymmetric crypto on the major mobile platforms, my guys are handling the ios side. apple provides a handy dandy set of apis for generating keys (your second 4096 bit key on a bleeding edge iphone will take over a minute to gather 'adequate' 'entropy', btw).
bounce: so... the chinese knew (or suspected) about the crimea thing beforehand? and that nevada thing, does that mean the poor farmer gets his cattle back now?
benkay: apple's api's are more than happy to give you the raw bytes of the private key, but it seems they then forgot to build out the calls to import that key back into their play-pi.
benkay: guess what the client's considering
benkay: come on guess
bounce: "give benkay mo' moneis"
benkay: well that's a given, bounce no points
bounce: the rest is your problem. :-p
benkay: (they're dangerously savvy and like to help make decisions).
benkay: BUT SRSLY MOAR GUESSES
benkay: i'll tell after two
mircea_popescu: install windows on ios ?
benkay: getting close
benkay: does have to do with known turds
mircea_popescu: install macosx on ios ?
bounce: generating 4kbit keys takes over a minute? try validating a 1kbit signature on a z80 (certain ti calculators with signed firmware)
benkay: ios is already stripped down macos, troll
mircea_popescu: how does your client know this.
mircea_popescu: bounce the chinese knew.
mircea_popescu: that they knew you knew the moment they didn't say anything.
benkay: rolling openssl into the project
mircea_popescu: openssl is not in ios ?!
bounce: for extra safety, sure, why not
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla kokobakukan.com
kakobrekla: what, the thing is amazing.
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
mircea_popescu: "What’s “kokobakukan”?! “kokobakukan”is the space that there are interesting things for you."
mircea_popescu: Charles Gasparino @CGasparino · 1h never heard @felixsalmon or @cafreeland bemoan working class kids priced outta williamsburg but God forbid it happens to hipsters in SF
mircea_popescu: guy has a point.
benkay: <Framedragger> i've to admit, even though this chan is full of pompastic arrogant fucks, the content is pretty sweet << pompastic you say? quite the portmanteau.
benkay: pompous + bombastic?
benkay: wth asses
benkay: pathetic logs this morning
Framedragger: yeah, pretty much that
benkay: is it my eyes or are the winklevii doing something useful? http://winkdex.com/#/
benkay: mircea_popescu: let me know how broken it is without js
mircea_popescu: that goes to you.
benkay: fired.
mircea_popescu: benkay what's useful about that exactly ?
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker on a website ?
gribble: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitstamp. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure (1 more message)
benkay: well is somewhere in between the bloomberg quote and ;;ticker, no?
mircea_popescu: it's somewhere betweet "unadulterated nonsense" and "who gives a shit", but sure.
benkay: lawdy
benkay: bitcoincharts.org nonsense as well then?
Framedragger: hah, check out their bios on http://winkdex.com/#/about
mircea_popescu: i have no idea who those are.
mircea_popescu: Hmm, bitcoincharts.org isn't loading right now.
Framedragger: at least they have a sense of humour (maybe)
benkay: dot com dot butts
benkay: hey mircea_popescu on an entirely different topic what was this situation where romania just gave oodles of cash away to 'businessmen' once upon a time? sounds like quite the story.
mircea_popescu: benkay context ?
kakobrekla: Framedragger you dont work in IT do you... ever heard of redundancy?
fluffypony: [20:16:16] mircea_popescu: openssl is not in ios ?! <- they implement Open Group's CDSA/CSSM, they hate OpenSSL because it doesn't maintain a stable API between versions
Framedragger: their twitter images are also symmetrical
Framedragger: call it 'sharding'
mircea_popescu: fluffypony good reason to hate it, incidentally.
fluffypony: agreed
fluffypony: there was a quote about it
fluffypony: "Apple does keep an older version of OpenSSL around that isn't vulnerable to the exploit. Safely chained to a wall. In the dungeon. It prods it with sticks now and again to make sure it's still breathing."
benkay: mircea_popescu: your comment was along the lines of 'romania gave a bunch of money to basically anyone who showed up claiming to be a businessman and a bunch of guys blew it in advertising'
benkay: iirc you also made a comment about massive gold reserves in proximity
mircea_popescu: benkay a, was a more complex discussion, see the whole log.
mircea_popescu: that was after the revolution, early 90s
benkay: ayeah, trying to find it.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla ahaha only now i get the joke. lmao.
mircea_popescu: "invest with the twinkletoss brothers! there's a spare included!"
danielpbarron: is it safe to assume that a user operating a pass-through for MPEx has a lot to lose if he were to decide to run with the money? To clarify, is it MPEx's official policy to publically shame and/or revoke access for such a user?
benkay: identity operating the mpex keys will be toast for sure.
mircea_popescu: in general you'd expect the rotten pt operator to withdraw everything from mpex before he actually runs.
danielpbarron: mircea_popescu: but would his access be void? (value of 30 BTC)
benkay: but mircea_popescu wouldja revoke the keys?
kakobrekla: if you know who it is
danielpbarron: nice :D
mircea_popescu: well you gotta know who he is.
mircea_popescu: how could you not
benkay: you gotta know the keyid he's using, non?
benkay: kinda the point of mpex - put down 30B, get access no questions asked.
danielpbarron: I don't need to know, but i'm confident MPEx could figure that one out
kakobrekla: but mpex cant
mircea_popescu: you shouldn't be confident mpex will figure anything.
mircea_popescu: but if you ever asked your pt op for a mpex signed stat, for instance, you should know
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1160 @ 0.00084176 = 0.9764 BTC [-]
benkay: pt ops should be considered bad actors if they refuse to provide those, then. no amount of 'gotta preserve the secrecy of my keys with mpex' allowed.
danielpbarron: i agree
mircea_popescu: well it's entirely up to you.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3140 @ 0.00084118 = 2.6413 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: yeah but you can go to buttfucker and post a passthrough as evedence present a malfucked pgp signature which none of the 'investors' know how to check anyway and thats that
chetty: no way around the basics, due diligence and trust
mircea_popescu: well nobody forces anyone to not know / not think / etc
danielpbarron: for example: a user is in the WoT, and has a rating of 3 or more given by mircea_popescu, describing him as an operator of a specific pass-through; is it safe to trust this user on that information alone?
fluffypony: not enough information given
mircea_popescu: it's never safe to trust.
danielpbarron: doesn't this necessarily mean that MPEx knows the user's credentials, and could disable them if it turned out to be a scam?
mircea_popescu: no, it does not.
mircea_popescu: you can find out what it means by asking the rater what they meant.
mircea_popescu: you're not at liberty to arbitrarily decide what someone else's rating means.
danielpbarron: ok, mircea_popescu what did you mean when you rated jurov?
fluffypony: danielpbarron: I think part of the WoT is extrapolation of information upon which a conclusion can be drawn, and sometimes that information needs to be expanded by talking to the rater
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 24 @ 0.03388422 = 0.8132 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0316409 = 0.1266 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron i meant the guy has been operating a mpex broker for about two years now, it never ran into any difficulty, and met him twice in person
danielpbarron: mircea_popescu: do you know which GPG key he uses to place orders on MPEx?
mircea_popescu: ;;rated jurov
chetty: danielpbarron, do you trust yourself to never eat that piece of chocolate cake you know you shouldn't have?
gribble: You rated user jurov on Mon Apr 21 06:09:46 2014, with a rating of 5, and supplied these additional notes: Years of promises kept..
danielpbarron: chetty: 99.99%, ya
mircea_popescu: i'm pretty sure (5/10) that i know enough of the guy to have an opinion, and that opinion is he should be trustworthy.
chetty: danielpbarron, that I think is the point - trust has degrees, you should be aware of them
mircea_popescu: dun tell me jurov ran off ?!
danielpbarron: lol probably not; just doing some due dilligence
bounce: what, like kevin bacon or something? *confused*
benkay: i mean i been trying to get ahold of him all weekend, but that was after he said he was going to be unavailable all weekend
danielpbarron: that's a good thing, right?
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron sure.
bounce: man of his word. he breaks it, you derate him.
danielpbarron: keeping his word
benkay: but that's all any of us are.
mircea_popescu: i thought you meant doing your dd as a good thing.
danielpbarron: that too, but I wasn't unsure of that one
mircea_popescu: it's a finicky thing, too.
ozbot: White House Correspondents' Dinner 2014 -- Live Blog
ozbot: Joel McHale at the 2014 White House Correspondents' Dinner (HD Complete) - YouTube
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.07520012 = 0.6016 BTC [-] {2}
benkay: who's the author of that piece on why women don't go into the sciences?
benkay: !up gesell
assbot: Voicing gesell for 30 minutes.
benkay: !up gesell2
assbot: Voicing gesell2 for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/454333198307061760/HrKaTPLj.jpeg << dude all the work they put into making that prude vaguely appear sexy
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11184 @ 0.00084376 = 9.4366 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.0752 = 0.3008 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3166 @ 0.00084743 = 2.683 BTC [+]
benkay: asciilifeform: would you grace me with a link to that piece explaining why women look at the sciences and run screaming in the opposite direction?
mircea_popescu: “You guys sound like you are on a roller coaster right now, McHale said to the crowd as they groaned to another one of his flopped jokes."
mircea_popescu: if only that rust chick whatever her name was were there to stand up and derp.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5697 @ 0.00084743 = 4.8278 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: "please not to refer to all the unemployable women here hoping for a good marriage by a term implying we're thai ladyboys"
davout: benkay: that what you're thinking of ? -> http://philip.greenspun.com/careers/women-in-science
benkay: davout: many thanks
benkay: "Findings from both research groups grew out of experiments in which the blood circulation systems of old and young mice were surgically connected, in a manner akin to Siamese twins. In such experiments, older mice essentially got younger while younger mice got older."
benkay: eeeeew
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 18 @ 0.032 = 0.576 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: you sayin' i got woman blood ?
mircea_popescu: !up transfix
assbot: Voicing transfix for 30 minutes.
benkay: probably don't want to cross the hormonal streams
jurov: evening all
jurov: i did not ran off, just went away for a weekend
fluffypony: jurov: willkommen
jurov: hunting bears and manuls
Apocalyptic: sounds like fun
jurov: with horrible internet, ofc all hell broke loose on the server
Apocalyptic: you've seen Gasparovic ?
davout: jurov: what's a manul?
moiety: you rang? ... i heard bears and manuls
jurov: davout you dont read teh logs?
Apocalyptic: rumour has it he likes to hunt bears and /collegues/
moiety: manuls hunt you jurov
davout: jurov: nah, was on a week end too :D
davout: except french style week end, five days long
fluffypony: that glorious animal
mircea_popescu: they did that shit here too, may 1-4
jurov: moiety, can you poignantly explain to him?
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic sorry, who ?
jurov: oh fluffy did
jurov: gasparovic is slovak soon to be expresident, what he did?
moiety: they will rip your face off without a second thought Apocalyptic :D
fluffypony: moiety: not the derpy ones
Apocalyptic: dem manuls
jurov: lol this got tangled beyond repair
fluffypony: they'll just lick you to death
Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, jurov i'm refering to this incident when one of his fellow hunter was killed during a hunt
moiety: no such thing... just sleeping ones
moiety: lol jurov
jurov: Apocalyptic: and then mr.president was on retconned vacation in croatia? oh yes
Apocalyptic: yes jurov
davout: fluffypony: ty!
jurov: also, just to throw in another unrelated topic.. benkay, you're the third nigga i had to scream "but i dun have test mpex what do i doooooooo!!!!"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1689 @ 0.00084743 = 1.4313 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 43 @ 0.03245072 = 1.3954 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.03300105 = 0.33 BTC [-]
jurov: (context: i''m trying to hire someone to improve MPExAgent)
jurov: (and benkay is the last one so far)
assbot: [MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 744 @ 0.00021725 = 0.1616 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: whats wrong with mpexagent
jurov: i want round cornerz
fluffypony: jurov: and responsive HTML 5 animation?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8100 @ 0.00084743 = 6.8642 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.NSA] 867 @ 0.00015 = 0.1301 BTC [-]
fluffypony: with jQuery!
jurov: yup. and http auth. and botstrip
jurov: and sockets
fluffypony: NODE.jquery
jurov: er.websockets
mircea_popescu: clearly all this needs mpex sadbox. o.O
jurov: indeed it does
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: a sadbox is where Jimmothy goes
jurov: at leats niggaz.txt needz that
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 213 @ 0.00053999 = 0.115 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 590 @ 0.00084743 = 0.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5490 @ 0.00084392 = 4.6331 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 462 @ 0.00053999 = 0.2495 BTC [-]
jurov: ooooh SatoshiJack sent me some dough...gotta learn blackjack someday, never played it :)
mircea_popescu: !up bitcoingirl
assbot: Voicing bitcoingirl for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: bitcoingirl hey there.
assbot: [MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 1150 @ 0.00021725 = 0.2498 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: you type in the lower box and hit enter aha!
bitcoingirl: ok got it
bitcoingirl: this is a new experience for me
mircea_popescu: learn something new every day!
bitcoingirl: just hope my ip isn't getting hacked right now
fluffypony: jurov: I suck at it
mircea_popescu: so, im looking for a mpex ambassador. dja know what mpex i ?
ozbot: MPEx, the Bitcoin securities exchange.
mircea_popescu: exactly.
bitcoingirl: where is this based
bitcoingirl: what country
mircea_popescu: it's not based anywhere, it's a bitcoin corp.
jurov: in Transnistria
mircea_popescu: anyway, the deal would be : you go to whatever bitcoin conferences you feel like, i'll cover your entrance fee. you talk to people, explain stuff to them.
mircea_popescu: i'll give you a pile of facts to work with.
bitcoingirl: i do that
bitcoingirl: i *can do that
jurov: and i'll give you coinbr discount coupons
diametric: anyone heard of Bitcoin Armory?
mircea_popescu: bitcoingirl alrighty, when do you want to start ?
mircea_popescu: diametric sure.
bitcoingirl: lets start at Amsterdam conference
bitcoingirl: 2 weeks away
mircea_popescu: cool idea. maybe ThickAsThieves shows up there too.
diametric: mircea_popescu: have an opinion?
mircea_popescu: diametric they're not awful.
diametric: i'm still researching, but i just learned they're based about 15 minutes from my house.
bitcoingirl: i don't know what thickastheives is
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.033 = 0.198 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: bitcoingirl it's the irc nick of john carvalo, a bitcoin guy.
mircea_popescu: i mentioned his name because many irc clients blink if you'r ementioned, and so he knows.
mircea_popescu: bitcoingirl do you have a blog somewhere, i forget ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.0316409 = 0.3164 BTC [-]
bitcoingirl: on Forbes
ozbot: Perianne Boring - Boring Economics - Forbes
Duffer1: great photo
mircea_popescu: did you ever use gpg ?
mircea_popescu: Duffer1 yeah she looks a million.
mircea_popescu: bitcoingirl you ever use gpg ?
bitcoingirl: i don't know hat irc nick means
mircea_popescu: ok, one at a time. irc is the network we're in. it's like a sort of skype, only works a lot better.
mircea_popescu: a nick is a name. for instance, your nick is bitcoingirl
bitcoingirl: and multiple people are viewing our conversation?
mircea_popescu: currently, yes.
Duffer1: everyone you see on the left
mircea_popescu: there's a list of them to the right (oir left). there's also the channel logs, which plenty of people read.
bitcoingirl: I don't know who john carvalo is - never heard of him
mircea_popescu: ttp://log.bitcoin-assets.com <
mircea_popescu: bitcoingirl he used to run asicminer PTs and was on their board.
bitcoingirl: what is that link?
bitcoingirl: not working
mircea_popescu: that's the link to the webpage where the log of this channel lives
bitcoingirl: excuse me, I'm obviously not a tech person - more into economic policy
mircea_popescu: not a crime.
Duffer1: diametric i'm using armory
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 337 @ 0.00084743 = 0.2856 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: bitcoingirl so what do you know about me ?
bitcoingirl: when you say channel - are you talking about the stats?
mircea_popescu: no, when i say channel i mean exactly that. this space, where we talk, it's the channel. it's name is #bitcoin-assets
mircea_popescu: its name*
bitcoingirl: ok got it. are you saying john is already going to be at Amsterdam so you don't need another ambassador there?
mircea_popescu: not at all. i say he's already going, and maybe you have a drink. he's not my ambassador, because he's a boy
mircea_popescu: and i have a strict girls-only for ambassador roles policy.
bitcoingirl: sounds sexist
bitcoingirl: so what do i have to do
mircea_popescu: well he also doesn't have a forbes blog, nor was he invited to the whcd.
mircea_popescu: well, you ever represented an industry leader before ?
bitcoingirl: yes, i have a consulting firm in DC where I do this professionally
mircea_popescu: cool. so, what do you know about me ?
bitcoingirl: http://trilema.com < this website which has content i would never associate myself with
mircea_popescu: what's the problem with it ?
Apocalyptic: people aren't ready for trilema yet
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic at least she's honest.
bitcoingirl: anti gay anti women articles
bitcoingirl: plus anti bitcoin foundation content
mircea_popescu: are you merely skimming titles or also read soem stuff ?
mircea_popescu: a, that for sure.
mircea_popescu: you will find pretty much all of bitcoin is anti the alleged foundation.
bitcoingirl: not in the US
bitcoingirl: this is business and the foundation is here to stay
mircea_popescu: who told you this ? :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12900 @ 0.00084378 = 10.8848 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: !up bgupta
assbot: Voicing bgupta for 30 minutes.
Duffer1: c'est la comedie humaine
bitcoingirl: the foundation may have their own issues / challenges, but opposing them is not something I'm interested in getting involved it. not going to lead to anywhere
mircea_popescu: you know the average lifetime of bitcoin things i've opposed historically is somewhere south of one year ?
Duffer1: ignoring/opposing, same dif
mircea_popescu: i'll crush these schmucks too, not a question of whether, a question of when i feel like pushing hard enough.
mircea_popescu: obviously your own political stands are your own, but the thing that isn't going to lead anywhere is trying to support the walking dead.
bitcoingirl: im not comfortable having this question over an open source
mircea_popescu: aite, let's go private then
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform indeed.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10550 @ 0.00084311 = 8.8948 BTC [-] {2}
danielpbarron: this channel rules
jurov: heh what a suspension...i'd even bet whether mp changes bitcoingirl's stance toward bitcoin foundation
jurov: at least there's interesting trilema post upcoming
kakobrekla: ill bet no
chetty: anti gay? anti woman? anybody know which articles those would be?
Duffer1: none that i'm aware of, she's probably skimmed the titles
Apocalyptic: <kakobrekla> ill bet no // about the fact he will change her mind or the post ?
assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 100 @ 0.00328679 = 0.3287 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: the former
fluffypony: kakobrekla: no there won't be one, or no it won't be interesting?
fluffypony: ITT: analyse what kakobrekla *REALLY* means :-P
fluffypony: o you said former
fluffypony: sadface.
Apocalyptic: dat kako
Apocalyptic: confusing everyone
fluffypony: it's his super-power
fluffypony: mine is IRC-ing drunk
thestringpuller: ;;ud real human bean
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=human%20bean | A person who is addicted to beans and more specificly jelly beans. ... I'm turning into a human bean - I had 4 packets of jelly beans yesterday. by Eli-bean ...
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: human bean
ozbot: NYC cyclist arrested for using cellphone to film cop, told iPhones are ‘being used as guns’
chetty: is the cardano coming equiped with special toys?
Apocalyptic: told iPhones are ‘being used as guns’ // not sure if serious or...
kakobrekla: yes, photo gun, shoots pictures.
chetty: and taking pictures steals your soul ..
mircea_popescu: suchwow-brb lmao
mircea_popescu: !up SuchWow-brb
assbot: Voicing SuchWow-brb for 30 minutes.
SuchWow-brb: heheh it's been an intense couple of hours with the nascar race
SuchWow-brb: back in 30 :)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 168 @ 0.00297994 = 0.5006 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3850 @ 0.00084743 = 3.2626 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: is dogecar gonna win
bitcoinpete: kakobrekla: some chumps, yes
mircea_popescu: !jd mpif
assbot: Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 163.89572664 BTC; +0.00399293 BTC (+0.0024%) since last check 3h 50m 9s ago.
mircea_popescu: too insufficient small amount of number.
bitcoinpete: "It appears that the most natural of all ways to classify humans genetically is by the racial and ethnic groups that humans have identified from time out of mind."
ozbot: Book Review: 'A Troublesome Inheritance' by Nicholas Wade - WSJ.com
mircea_popescu: unsurprisingly.
bitcoinpete: to everyone except the nba
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.47511 = 0.9502 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust bitcoingirl
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user bitcoingirl: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=bitcoingirl | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=bitcoingirl | Rated since: never
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6493 @ 0.00084444 = 5.4829 BTC [-]
bitcoinpete: whoa mpoe!
bitcoinpete: investors no like mpif?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 16 @ 0.0321191 = 0.5139 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: seems it's been taking a beating yest
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 14 @ 0.03389001 = 0.4745 BTC [+] {5}
ozbot: Bitcoin: This American Express sponsored documentary feels more like a commercial for Bitcoin. | cry
mircea_popescu: <danielpbarron> this channel rules << hehe
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0764499 = 0.1529 BTC [+] {2}
ozbot: CRISTIANO RONALDO What-a-goal! Real-Valencia 2-2
bitcoinpete: ronny be cray
fluffypony: cray cray
bitcoinpete: omg fucking greenaddress
fluffypony: "Not reusing addresses protects you from quantum computing"
fluffypony: l.o.l. the sequel.
mircea_popescu: wait wut
mircea_popescu: does mormon underwear protect you from quantum computing ?
mircea_popescu: "Not reusing addresses may prevent you to be exposed from undiscovered holes in ECDSA theory"
mircea_popescu: wlel... reusing addresses equally may prevent you from exposure to undiscovered holes.
mircea_popescu: what the fuck is this cargo cult nonsense.
pankkake: because quantum computing can break ECDSA, but cannot break RIPEMD-160? lel
fluffypony: pankkake: RIPEMD4lyf
pankkake: anyway >quantum computing. why even talk about it
mircea_popescu: not reusing addresses has major privacy implications :
mircea_popescu: it makes it feasible for your users to be tracked
mircea_popescu: and it makes it possible for the entire "taint" nonsense to even tenuously exist.
mircea_popescu: if you care about freedom, make sure you reuse at least some addresses.
pankkake: though I've tried to not associate some addresses with others, I'm sure some more advanced statistical anylisis would reveal them
jurov: then the analysis just moves on to transaction level
danielpbarron: bitcoinpete: lol @ greenaddress; I had a back-and-forth with them over that exact issue: https://twitter.com/danielpbarron/status/461889144667787266
mircea_popescu: jurov notrly.
bitcoinpete: danielpbarron: lol just noticed that!
ozbot: Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: Attention #Bitcoin : contrary ...
mircea_popescu: halping out.
jurov: taint can be tracked by spent transaction inputs, addresses do not need to come into picture
mircea_popescu: except if you reuse addresses this becomes ambiguous.
danielpbarron: bitcoinpete: heh, i'd "favorite" your tweet, but I don't want to give twitter a reason to set my account to "login required to read" mode
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16400 @ 0.00084429 = 13.8464 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: wait thats a mode ? how does it work ?
danielpbarron: mircea_popescu: the default setting for new users is to block "adult content"
mircea_popescu: o he's adsult ?
danielpbarron: and that default also applies to non-users
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3774 @ 0.00084242 = 3.1793 BTC [-] {2}
danielpbarron: it's vague, but I assume it means dropping f-bombs and posting nudes
mircea_popescu: !up bitcoingirl
assbot: Voicing bitcoingirl for 30 minutes.
pankkake: does it? perhaps because I'm blocking everything - javascript and cookies, I don't seem to have it
bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: wait, are you saying that reusing is good for privacy?
bitcoingirl: popescu - can I humbly ask you for a favor
mircea_popescu: bitcoingirl yes.
mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete yes i mean.
pankkake: bitcoinpete: seems to me the real issue is merging inputs, regardless of the addresses. changing addresses will only confuse amateur investigators
jurov: how ambiguous? when i withdraw from mpex, it spends Tx1, Tx2..Txn from one mpex address.. how it is different from spending them from different adresses?
bitcoingirl: https://blog.blockchain.com/2014/04/16/the-first-annual-blockchain-awards/ can you help me get votes for the "most insightful journalist"
ozbot: The First Annual Blockchain Awards | Blockchain Blog
bitcoingirl: this would be helpful for my career. was one of the first reporters in this industry
mircea_popescu: so i should what, pester cary ?
fluffypony: bitcoinpete: not knowing which addresses were used to receive BTC is irrelevant when you are looking at it going out
mircea_popescu: !up GAit
assbot: Voicing GAit for 30 minutes.
GAit: thanks mircea_popescu
pankkake: anyway, perhaps use a good client which supports multiple wallets if you want easy privacy
mircea_popescu: aha, well you heard the lady folks : pls to vote ms boring for the blockchain award.
fluffypony: yeah, agree with pankkake, separation of liabilities
GAit: bitcoinpete: hello
bitcoinpete: GAit: howdy
fluffypony: bitcoingirl: who must we vote for? I missed the bits further up
GAit: bitcoinpete: can i disturb you on a PM ?
bitcoinpete: GAit: green address, i presum?
GAit: bitcoinpete: yes
mircea_popescu: o is it ?
bitcoingirl: +fluffypony Perianne Boring, please
bitcoinpete: GAit: let's talk here
GAit: ok
fluffypony: bitcoingirl: ok done, I nominated you for best ATM design.
GAit: i wasn't sure this was appropriate for the channel, as long as others don't mind
fluffypony: (kidding)
bitcoinpete: GAit: this is a good conversation for everyone to see
mircea_popescu: fluffypony asshat :D
GAit: it is I agree, i generally like to read your blog
mircea_popescu: GAit go ahead, you're voiced, you can talk.
bitcoinpete: GAit: so tell us why reusing addresses is bad, in your opinion
bitcoingirl: I did not create an ATM
mircea_popescu: bitcoingirl he's just being difficult :D
bitcoingirl: i know
GAit: i think reusing addresses is bad for privacy and exposes you to potential security risk in the implementation
fluffypony: bitcoingirl: I'm teasing, hence the "kidding" added after
mircea_popescu: GAit specifically.
GAit: specifically privacy or security?
mircea_popescu: privacy. the security i understand
GAit: privacy alone is quite important but extra security is not bad
mircea_popescu: and it's factual : ecdsa is vulnerable to bad rngs.
GAit: well privacy in the sense that if you tell too many people about your [reused] address then it is much easier to make sense, on a whole, of correlated transaction, especially if more people reuse
mircea_popescu: GAit what if you lie.
GAit: who lies?
mircea_popescu: well for instance, Naphex told me a funny story when we met yest. it went like this :
mircea_popescu: buncha poor romanian kids in some small romanian town got the check-only btc address app installed on their phones and went all over town claiming to be owning 1000s of btc.
pankkake: oh, your name is actually Boring. things are clearer now
GAit: check only-> watch only I presume?
GAit: anyway, bitcoinpete, why would you go as far as calling it scam? good reasons or?
bitcoinpete: GAit scum != scam
GAit: sorry, lapsus
GAit: so why calling it scum?
GAit: i actually like in general your criticism and your being skeptical
mircea_popescu: what got called scum ? i'm behind my reading.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete called GAit scum on the Twitorz
ozbot: Twitter / bitcoinpete: You guys are fucking scum. ...
bitcoinpete: GAit: basically that reusing doesn't have a place in bitcoin
mircea_popescu: oh. GAit well people sometimes overstate points on the internet. it's called cracked.com
fluffypony: technically he said you're fucking scum, GAit, if scum is a pretty person you could consider that a complement
GAit: mircea_popescu: i was trying to find if there was something bad we could improvwe
mircea_popescu: GAit the problem is this : i'm pretty well convinced, and i suspect a lot of people here are similarly convinced,
bounce: complement or compliment?
GAit: bounce: compliment
mircea_popescu: that a campaign against reusing addresses is more a covert usg op than anything else.
fluffypony: bounce: good catch
fluffypony: I need another drink
mircea_popescu: now whether you're participating naively or not is up for grabs, but still.
GAit: mircea_popescu: you are saying we tried to get attention in the wrong way by mentioning our comptetitors reusing addresses?
peterl: does reusing addresses cut down on blockchain bloat?
mircea_popescu: i am saying that the entire "don't reuse addresses" campaign is exactly the equiovalent of "pls to use openssh" or "pls to use tor before that"
mircea_popescu: or "pls to use whatever the gpg competitor was, i forgot" 20 years prior.
bitcoinpete: peterl: shouldn't
GAit: reusing increases bloat if i understand correctly as you have less to prune
mircea_popescu: reusing prevents efficient pruning.
GAit: yeah
GAit: a good point to add to the blog actually
GAit: thanks
fluffypony: peterl: not really...the current change address functionality is roughly analogous to creating fresh receive addresses every time you receive a transaction
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform chetty what was the gpg competitor nsa was pushing back i nthe day ?
bounce: clipper?
fluffypony: bounce: wasn't that the Microsoft Office assistant?
bounce: "clippy", unless you're thinking of bob the dog
peterl: you mean the paperclip that gave tips on how to use winblows?
GAit: anyway, in general if you guys have any feedback i'm all ears
GAit: guys and gals
bounce: you now owe me some serious booze, by the by
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10494 @ 0.00084108 = 8.8263 BTC [-] {2}
fluffypony: peterl: yes! "It looks like you're trying to GPG sign this document. Would you like help with that?"
peterl: lol
mircea_popescu: bounce aye, skipjack.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7206 @ 0.00083946 = 6.0491 BTC [-]
bitcoinpete: GAit: there's a place for address reuse and there's a place for new address generation
bounce tried to make a funny with "swordfish" in it, but failed
GAit: bitcoinpete: i don't really know anyonw in bitcoin-dev that is pro address reuse
GAit: it is not reccomanded
mircea_popescu: are you here looking for feedback or are you here to persuade ?
bitcoinpete: GAit: and quantum computing isn't a thing. it's cold fusion until proven otherwise
bounce: anybody still use coldfusion? even though it's apparently a better php.
GAit: quantum computer is theoretical and little practical so far, sure, i didn't say much more to that
mircea_popescu: bounce seems dead.
mircea_popescu: GAit do you understand the part where making statements about defenses against nonspecified attacks is hacky at best ?
mircea_popescu: i mean that sort of shit probably flies in -otc, but this chan is grown ups.
fluffypony: bounce: wasn't there a major CF exploit last yearish that caused issues on a bunch of sites?
GAit: non specified attacks?
GAit: i specified the attaccks or problems. RNG is one
GAit: privacy is another
mircea_popescu: if quantum computing, then your teeth are probably not safe. because why would they be ?
peterl: my dad (a physicist) worked on quantum computing for a bit. It's more likely to succeed than cold fusion, but still many years off.
GAit: well by then i imagine a lot of encryption will use quanto techinques
bitcoinpete: GAit: i didn't say much more to that <<quantum comps was half your security argument in the blog
fluffypony: GAit: it's like me saying not to use GreenAddress because of the risk of an exploit in Chrome/Java/JavaScript; until it happens or the attack surface is real it's pointless talking about it
bounce: quantum computing vs cold fusion, there's a bitbet
GAit: it is a widely discussed topics when talking about bitcoin and ecdsa
mircea_popescu: bounce one year term!
bounce: oh foo
peterl: oh, and people use cold fusion all the time, it just generates neutrons, not power
bounce: NO VISION
GAit: fluffypony: sure you can say that, but then you have little alternative to all common languages, maybe some hardware wallet
mircea_popescu: security by lack of alternative ?!
fluffypony: GAit: welcome to the world of S.NSA :-P
kakobrekla: afaik 'green address' as technical term implies reusing an address, which is funny.
mircea_popescu: which is also entirely an artefact of your own mind, as yo ucan make a webpage in fucking lisp ?
bounce: just add neutron-fueled fission, and you have a safe(-ish) reactor
GAit: we are already working on supporting two hw wallets
GAit: we are using a different way of 'greenaddressing' out of band, if you want greenaddress 2.0
GAit: we spoke to Jan, you know, the guy that coined the term
mircea_popescu: moving on to more interesting stuff. fluffypony you got a dc in your basement ?
GAit: he really liked the way it is applied in a out of the box way
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: no, got a warehouse with decent availability and average Internet tho
GAit: did you see the design document/white apper?
mircea_popescu: you moving anytime soon ?
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: not a chance
mircea_popescu: how would you feel about hosting a coupla rigs ?
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: sure, happy to talk about it
fluffypony: GAit: when are you guys going to support RFC 1149?
fluffypony: I think it's an important piece of functionality missing from almost all implementations
mircea_popescu: too fucking evil.
peterl: bounce: so you control the rate of fission by the amount of power you put into the neutron-generating fusion?
bitcoinpete: ;;google jan greenaddress
gribble: Does sending from a green address improve my anonymity ...: <http://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/2387/does-sending-from-a-green-address-improve-my-anonymity>; Green address – the solution to slow Bitcoin transactions? - CoinDesk: <http://www.coindesk.com/green-address-the-solution-to-slow-bitcoin-transactions/>; GreenAddress: open source multisig wallet service - Bitcoin (1 more message)
GAit: fluffypony: nah, we are too busy on http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4824, which is much much better
fluffypony: so they tell me :)
mircea_popescu: flagpoles harder to get than birds.
GAit: fluffypony: what you never tried it? come on where do you live?
fluffypony: GAit: we have 6 dogs, pigeons don't last long around here
GAit: so you trying fiber now?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.06474168 = 0.259 BTC [-]
fluffypony: yep, I've found a healthy serving of oats gives me all the fibre I need
GAit: so what do you guys do? anyone coming to amsterdam?
mircea_popescu: maybe ThickAsThieves
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00083944 = 9.1499 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.034 = 0.136 BTC [+]
bitcoinpete: i gotta jet.
bitcoinpete: GAit: good of you to drop by for a chat
bitcoinpete: hopefully you'll consider what you've learned here
bounce: ouch
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2836 @ 0.00083928 = 2.3802 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: Random twitter self-absorbed priss : This website wants to feature me as a "Hot Babe”. Should I do it?
mircea_popescu: Me : You done nudes yet ?
mircea_popescu: Her : No, and I never will.
mircea_popescu: Me : Then pretty much nobody cares. You wanna play a sport, might as well go pro or else forget about it.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 69 @ 0.00200021 = 0.138 BTC [-] {4}
fluffypony: Pro Stripping
fluffypony: olympic level
mircea_popescu: did they succeed making pole dancing an olympic sport yet ?
fluffypony: don't think so
pankkake: I stumbled on some pole dancing websites, it was entertaining. I mean, it was so serious and all. Though the erotic aspect wasn't stupidly downplayed
mircea_popescu: pankkake belly dancing can also get quite serious
mircea_popescu: heck, for that matter even barbecuing
bounce: srsly eerotic
pankkake: well, I have a belly button fetish, so. :)
fluffypony: I dated a Greek girl who was a serious belly dancer, she ended up starting her own school
fluffypony: was sexy for a bit, but she was too serious about it
pankkake: ahah
fluffypony: I just wanted pre-sex wiggling, not a history lesson
mircea_popescu: slaves do a better job at it anyway
mircea_popescu: http://stats.bitcoin-assets.com/ << check it out, according to kakobrekla a new week has started, but not a new day.
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets stats
fluffypony: kako-time
mircea_popescu: it bellydances.
kakobrekla: it probably has to do with the code.
assbot: Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1CPEMYA/plain/)
assbot: Last 9 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/0WHBKDV/plain/)
Namworld: By last 12 months I rank high, but lately I rank low.
mircea_popescu: haha good 1
Namworld: fluffypony, you've chat as much in the last 30 days as I did in the last 12 months.
mircea_popescu: !up lolstate
assbot: Voicing lolstate for 30 minutes.
lolstate: pop-up mf
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot lolstate
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user lolstate: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=lolstate | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=lolstate | Rated since: never
mircea_popescu: gotta get wot.
Namworld: And mircea, you've chat more than assbot lately, you might have an addiction problem
mircea_popescu: is it addiction when you do it a lot or when yo ucan't stop ?
lolstate: Gribble?
lolstate: Again?
Namworld: Hence "might"
lolstate: We were friends!
fluffypony: Namworld: just noticed that now - maybe I have an addiction too :-P
assbot: Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/2SZFKQF.txt)
bounce: that's a keeper
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 98 @ 0.00199997 = 0.196 BTC [-] {4}
fluffypony: so now it strips the !b line out and links correctly?
fluffypony: oh nm it's just the links
assbot: Processing.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07649999 = 0.153 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.47511 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: basically dpaste broke their api ?
kakobrekla: changed some stuff apparently
bounce: stable apis are so 1.0
kakobrekla: looks like they figured txt files are the way to go
fluffypony: bounce: ikr, who needs them
mircea_popescu: +like upvote retweet to that.
bounce: retweet the like?
fluffypony: in fact, you should just announce breaking API changes on Twitter and hope everyone catches it
bounce: put it on your facebook wall. then set it private.
mircea_popescu: the irony of "walls"
bounce is tempted to publish all the specs exclusively on gopher
lolstate: I’m going to through out what may be a trivial question (at first glance): what is up with Neobee?? !
lolstate: TAT?
lolstate: Danny?
lolstate: Quesions, eh?
fluffypony: lolstate: dead in the water, Danny on the lam
mircea_popescu: seems dead no ?
mircea_popescu: !t h neobeeq
assbot: [HAVELOCK:NEOBEEQ] 1D: 0.00001261 / 1.302E-5 / 0.00001700 (13739 shares, 0.17890927 BTC), 7D: 0.00001261 / 2.211E-5 / 0.00006970 (197924 shares, 4.37667709 BTC), 30D: 0.00001261 / 0.00011853 / 0.00045000 (796909 shares, 94.45738272 BTC)
lolstate: lam?
fluffypony: ;;google define lam
gribble: Lam - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary: <http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/lam>; Lam | Define Lam at Dictionary.com: <http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/lam>; On the lam | Define On the lam at Dictionary.com: <http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/on+the+lam>
fluffypony: "on the lam, escaping, fleeing, or hiding, especially from the police"
lolstate: boring
lolstate: ‘lam’ isn’t analysis or any where close to an explanation!
mircea_popescu: aren't you like... months late for that ?
lolstate: what? a kick in the mouth? or… ?
fluffypony: ok analysis: Danny is a thief and was the only one who controlled all the monies. now he's run away with the monies or many spent it all on a lavish lifestyle. the company has collapsed and disbanded, and the police want to talk to Danny.
lolstate: Explnation for recent failure, maybe?
lolstate: fluffy: that is shallow
mircea_popescu: lolstate bring something to the table.
lolstate: clearly, he wasn’t a thief a priori
fluffypony: ok here
benkay: <fluffypony> ... spent it all on a lavish lifestyle. << a shame, considering...btc.
mircea_popescu: clearly uh.
mircea_popescu: #bitcoin-assets rules of style : omit all sentences that start with clearly.
mircea_popescu: they'll get ignored anyway, might as well save the electrons
dignork: lolstate: Danny's claims about what he can do, where laughable, maintaining his own exchange rate? btc banks?
ThickAsThieves: catching up on logs after attending a local festival
ThickAsThieves: <+mircea_popescu> anyway, the deal would be : you go to whatever bitcoin conferences you feel like, i'll cover your entrance fee. you talk to people, explain stuff to them. //// mah job!
bounce: what? since when're you turning greenpeace?
bounce: "save the electrons", sheesh.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves you srsly want it ?
lolstate: fluffy: yeah, saw that
fluffypony: lolstate: how do you get he wasn't a thief prior? has he been a personal friend you've known his whole life?
lolstate: fluufy: don’r be flippant. A priori, every human is honest
fluffypony: because evidence seems to point that he was dirty, or at the very least incompetent, and this is another in a string of failures / duck-and-run jobs
lolstate: yaya
mircea_popescu: !down lolstate
mircea_popescu: enough of that.
benkay: lolstate: you miss the part where in btc, everyone has to prove they're not a thief first.
benkay: via...wot.
benkay: and even then, that's an extremely weak 'proof'.
bounce: that an open offer? though as a matter of style one might better sneak in bitcoin foundation gigs and possibly get thrown out in front of cameras
mircea_popescu: fucking noobs, gonna control the flow of conversation nao. wtf is happening in these people's heads.
benkay: this is what we're working towards. not that 'anyone's not a scammer until they are', but that ther are grownups in the space, and either you deal with them or they fuck off.
benkay: or *you* fuck off.
benkay: !up lolstate
assbot: Voicing lolstate for 30 minutes.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18900 @ 0.00084173 = 15.9087 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: bounce i don't really believe in half measures. im either sending in people with automatic rifles, or not at all.
benkay: mircea_popescu: he ain't no worse than tib.
benkay: possibly educable.
mircea_popescu: benkay hey, you can put up with it, by all means.
benkay: anyways lolstate from a statistical perspective, every btc operation is a scam, and every operator a priori a thief.
lolstate: MP, why the Ceaușescu move? It is unbecoming.
fluffypony: sweet, CloudFlare have published their SSL config for nginx: https://github.com/cloudflare/sslconfig/
mircea_popescu: lolstate try and learn from what's happening to you, fucktard
mircea_popescu: rather than herping along, calling things names.
benkay: lolstate: !up and !down are part of the variety speak.
lolstate: MP, grow up and discuss…. let’s discuss your role in Neobee
benkay: oh do tell
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.07514414 = 0.9017 BTC [-] {2}
ThickAsThieves: ok i'm caught up
fluffypony: his...role?
lolstate: Well, MP, what’s with all the trolling and black arts against Neobee and others…
ThickAsThieves: <+mircea_popescu> ThickAsThieves you srsly want it ? /// well, i'm down for a test drive in Amsterdam next week
benkay: calling a scam a scam = black arts these days
benkay: or a derp a derp
ThickAsThieves: i have full intention of providing "coverage"
lolstate: Neobee turned out bad, clearly, what about the others that have not, yet you desire to do so?
benkay: nobody's desires matter, lolstate
ThickAsThieves: and intend to start bugging you guys for help with questions and plans
bounce: shamelessly copying: <danieldaniel> http://i.imgur.com/OvAcLrb.jpg
lolstate: MP’s desire, TAT!
lolstate: MP’s desire to bad mouth legimitate rivals!
fluffypony: neo&bee was a legitimate rival of mpex?
ThickAsThieves: you are in bakwards world
benkay: badmouthing doesn't matter, lolstate
fluffypony: da fuq.
benkay: if it matters, the foundations are unsound to begin with.
ThickAsThieves: lolstate, speak like an adult or we'll have your tongue
bounce: ;;ident lolstate
gribble: Nick 'lolstate', with hostmask 'lolstate!~lolstate@cpc16-broo8-2-0-cust783.14-2.cable.virginm.net', is not identified.
benkay: 'i'll huff and i'll puff and i'll derp you away!'
lolstate: TAT? Why did you cut from Neo? Was is Danny’s selling?
lolstate: *it*, I mean
benkay: sinking ship, lolstate .
ThickAsThieves: i gave a broad explanation for my severing ties the day i severed them
ThickAsThieves: i do not know if danny stole
ThickAsThieves: i'm not sure anyone does
lolstate: Te ship has sunk, benkay
benkay: lolstate: you miss the point.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves so what you need ?
benkay: lolstate: when a ship is sinking, what do the occupants do?
ThickAsThieves: you mention providing of dossiers, any info or intent you wish to instill with me, is welcome
benkay: lolstate are you delberately trolling like a noob or is this the best that you can do?
ThickAsThieves: including specific questions
ThickAsThieves: i am also willing to spend prepatory time this week
lolstate: TAT, really? TBH, I missed that. All I read was you couldnt continure in the role etc, which is reasonable, although I wasn’t clear on the reason
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves wait wut. what dossiers
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.47511 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 27 @ 0.03211 = 0.867 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: you said something about providing info
ThickAsThieves: i'm just being dramatic
fluffypony: on that note, I'm heading to bed
mircea_popescu: bounce he left out drugz
lolstate: Night fluffy
mircea_popescu: !up nahkunt
assbot: Voicing nahkunt for 30 minutes.
nahkunt: hi guys. thoughts on verpayments?
mircea_popescu: wait wut
mircea_popescu: omfg i been trying to eat this sandwich for half a n hour
lolstate: TAT. Really what can you say about the NEo situation (sorry if I’m behind the loop)
ThickAsThieves: lolstate i'll sum it up like this. at this point there will be no new info from anyone worth anything on the Neo events unless he gets picked up by authorities and forced to hand over his accounts etc
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves were you going to ask vehehes why he's not publishing reports ?
nahkunt: mircea_popescu: hah, i just read about you a few minutes ago and now i see you on here...
ThickAsThieves: if i can
mircea_popescu: well what's that mean
mircea_popescu: nahkunt fancy that!
ThickAsThieves: what's what mean
nahkunt: mircea_popescu: the romanian suspected pornstar/cryptostocks businessman/woman
ThickAsThieves: i'm not mean!
bounce is living on tunes instead of food ATM. 90s tunes.
mircea_popescu: wait what ?!
benkay: suspected pornstar
mircea_popescu: omfg im taking some time off i've never been this confused ion my lyf.
benkay: wait pornstar/cryptostocks?
benkay: wtf?
bounce: secret launcehd PornCoin and didn't tell anyone?
nahkunt: lol
bounce: s/ceh/ce/
ThickAsThieves: but seriously mp, and everyone here, i have an open call out for questions and topics anyone would like me to attempt getting info on at Bitcoin2014
benkay: pornstar/businesscunt would make sense
lolstate: TAT, that’s an interesting staement: a) Danny is a crim or… b)… ?
benkay: but pornstar/cryptostocks is derpage of the most pernicious variety.
ThickAsThieves: basically the limit is that they have to be "serious" questions and i cant end up in jail
bounce: you already got a list? (wiki? in public? maybe not a good idea)
nahkunt: mircea_popescu: isn't that correct? i read about you on the bitcoinwiki, it linked to a bitcointalk thread discussing it.
ThickAsThieves: getting banned from the conf is not off limits, but save it for last plaz
ThickAsThieves: bounce no one has made any requests yet
benkay: nahkunt: relies on bitcointalk for research
ThickAsThieves: i intended to start my own list in the next couple days
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 250 @ 0.00053 = 0.1325 BTC [-]
bounce: really should trawl their forum for things to grill them about
nahkunt: benkay: yes, businesscunt, i'da said that but i'm not sure how many aussies are present in this channel
ThickAsThieves: lolstate, i do not know if danny is a criminal, it's entirely possible he is merely 'criminally' inept
lolstate: TAT, have you had any contact with Danny after cutting the pass-through management role?
bounce already has a bit too much to read ATM :/
ThickAsThieves: lolstate no, he only talks to reddit now it seems
lolstate: Well, he doesn’t answer mobile, Skype or email
lolstate: Doe a runner, it seems..
lolstate: *Done*
benkay: lolstate: satisfied yet?
nahkunt: benkay: not relying on bitcointalk, i asked for confirmation from the primary source and you're criticisng my romanian pornstar turned crypt obusinesscunt research methodology?
lolstate: About what, exactly? Aren’t you in bed?
ThickAsThieves: lolstate just wants fuel to bring back to the perpetually cold fire at bitcointalk.org
benkay: nahkunt: it's no secret mp ran porn operations.
lolstate: I don’t think so, TAT.
benkay: pornstar though is your claim and you're going to have to substantiate that.
benkay: 'star' lol.
ThickAsThieves: porn cerberus
lolstate: So, TAT, I’m not here to add fuel or whatever. I’m actaully interested in disecting this mess.
nahkunt: benkay: it's probably false then, but this wiki page https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/MPEx links to a thread that mentions it
benkay: there's nothing to dissect, lolstate. it's over. everyone involved lost their money.
bounce: totally believable
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves so im thinking the best approach here is, go, liveblog it, we take it from there.
mircea_popescu: sorta like a qual lap./
ThickAsThieves: lolstate i have no new info for you, sorry
benkay: nahkunt: let me know if you have anything that's less retarded than a retarded thread on a retarded forum.
ThickAsThieves: mp, okay, but i do feel some prep would be nice
mircea_popescu: ok, ask ?
lolstate: I don’r need neew info, TAT. That’s ok.
lolstate: But the dissection has to happen.
benkay: why, lolstate ?
benkay: what is there to dissect?
lolstate: Police will disect soon enough.
benkay: shit blew up. it's over. on to the next one.
ThickAsThieves: i'll start a doc tomorrow (i'm not entirely sober atm) but basically who are the targets, and what are the main gripes and concerns to be expressed to each
lolstate: No really. If there was fraud, the cops will be interested.
bounce: probably gonna need someone on the headset relaying irc (teamspeak?) during panels
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves as far as im concenred, the "why are you not publishing reports @vehe" is all.
nahkunt: benkay: ok man... i think you're misinterpreting my tone, i wasn't really all that serious about it. i just came to ask people's opinion on https://vertpay.com — they're having an IPO soon
ThickAsThieves: i should probably buy an audio recorder
mircea_popescu: i have no idea who the rest of the derps present are or why'd i/anyone care.
ThickAsThieves: but mp so many people will be there
ThickAsThieves: like Josh from BFL
mircea_popescu: so many people are @gcs in ny right now
mircea_popescu: so what of it
ThickAsThieves: the Overstock guy
mircea_popescu: the overstock guy is a year away from sense
mircea_popescu: i may be the lord of all evil but i can't compress time.
lolstate: TAT, are you still in securities? Aren’t you jaded now?
benkay: nahkunt: "Merchant adoption is the single biggest driver in encouraging the spread of a cryptocurrency." << sounds like a ploy to hype a shitcoin
mircea_popescu: except with willing women.
ThickAsThieves: lolstate i've been jaded since i was like 8 years old
fluffypony: nahkunt: I'm off to bed, but hit me up tomorrow if you have any VertPay questions
mircea_popescu: nahkunt you ever read the canonical statement to the contrary ?
nahkunt: fluffypony: ok thanks i will
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5132 @ 0.00083975 = 4.3096 BTC [-] {3}
nahkunt: mircea_popescu: nope, link it?
fluffypony: benkay: paybee got rolled into vertpay
ThickAsThieves: lolstate i am in no way involved with bitcoin securities at this time, well, other than owning some personally
benkay: fluffypony: vertpay is yours?!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.06474168 = 0.259 BTC [-]
benkay: fluffypony: you're tying yourself to shitcoins that aren't atc?
ozbot: Bitcoin prices, Bitcoin inflexibility pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
benkay: for shame mah nigga
lolstate: MP’s attitude is naive. When the Feds come, it wil be because there are new crypto-carreers to be bulit.
fluffypony: hah hah
fluffypony: benkay: don't worry, we'll branch into ATC soon :-P
ThickAsThieves: mp's plan actually exists
nahkunt: what is ATC?
fluffypony: it's the only hipster altcoin
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 455357.13 Est. Next Diff: 140052.98 in 1630 blocks (#32256) Est. % Change: -69.24
ThickAsThieves: i scooped mp's legal plan a while back
lolstate: TAT, do you still have a current LMB share-holder/transfer-to-Havelock list?
lolstate: Not trying to wind you up, TAT, just fact-finding!
nahkunt: fluffypony: serious question: will you consider other altcoins than vert some day? i realise that's pipedream talk but i'm curious
ThickAsThieves: to what end?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8100 @ 0.00084131 = 6.8146 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: wait wait. fluffypony what exactly is your relation to vertcon or w/e and wtf is it ?
fluffypony: nahkunt: definitely, that's the plan, but it's important for us to have a definitive starting point
nahkunt: yes i agree and i think it's a wise decision to start with just vert
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: I found someone doing something similar to PayBee but Vertcoin-specific, so I struck a deal with them and we've been sorting things out over the past couple of weeks
mircea_popescu: wtf is a vertcoin
ThickAsThieves: i'm not sure if i have a 'current' list lolstate, i may have taken a screen shot of the lmb site before it went away, but otherwise, the 'list' of pending transfers was not saved
benkay: another shitcoin.
mircea_popescu: scrypt ?
lolstate: Ok, TAT, that’s reasonable.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: an altcoin, selling point is that it uses scrypt-n so it's asic-resistant
mircea_popescu: oh oh that thing
mircea_popescu: shit man that's obscure
fluffypony: the n-factor is determined by block height or something
mircea_popescu: so what's your slice, like... bored one day ?
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: it made sense to do that than try do PayBee
mircea_popescu: is paybee even functional yet ?
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: backend stuff, the VertPay guys have a dev team so some of the code's been discarded in favour of what they have, and some can be re-used
fluffypony: so everyone wins
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what was the gpg competitor nsa was pushing << it was clipper. not strictly speaking a pgp competitor
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah
asciilifeform: intended for voice telephony
mircea_popescu: fluffypony all the sikrits you keep from us!
mircea_popescu: anyway, so what's the plan ?
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: nobody ever asked!
fluffypony: we put together a small board that consists of myself plus a few others that were already involved in VertPay
mircea_popescu: no but i mean what do you intend for it to do.
fluffypony: Vertcoin payment gateway, but dev it as a white-labelled PayBee
mircea_popescu: what's payment gateway mean in this context ?
mircea_popescu: !up DoctorBTC
assbot: Voicing DoctorBTC for 30 minutes.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: accept arbitrary altcoins, cash out to fiat / BTC in whatever ratio they'd like
asciilifeform: re: fusion: Farnsworth's device.
mircea_popescu: well ok, but i mean how would you cover fiat ? need a buncha bank accts.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: you missed the whole PayBee proposal! it backs up onto Bitpay, so no need for any of tha t:)
fluffypony: *that
fluffypony: they handle all the fiat stuff (including regulatory hurdles)
mircea_popescu: ah that's what you mean by wl paybee
mircea_popescu: so they paying you ? :D
fluffypony: of course, part of the deal :)
mircea_popescu: just asking because you recall the earlier discussion re identifying stakeholders
mircea_popescu: you never know whether people do or don't know shit.
fluffypony: agreed
ThickAsThieves: some notables that will be in Amsterdam: Gavin Andresen, Mike Hearn, Jinyoung Lee Englund (that snakey twitter liar hackathon canceller), Matonis, Marco Santori (self-proclaimed bitcoin lawyer), Jeff Garzi, BitPay, Coinbase, Nic Cary, Electrum, Armory, BitAngels, Circle, Bloomberg, NY Times, Mastercoin, Ripple (like 4 dudes!), eToro, Coindesk, ZipZap, Xapo, Erik Voorhees, Vessenes, The
ThickAsThieves: Economist, CoinTerra, BTCJam, Roger Ver, Kraken, Bitstamp, BFL, Maidsafe
ThickAsThieves: surely you guys have things you'd love to ask some of those entities
fluffypony: oh MaidSafe AND BTCJam will be there! splendid
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves no but looky : gavin quit, he can have his peace. asking shit out of nobodies a la hearn or that egglund chick is like... no matter what yo uasked, it's still +ev for them
mircea_popescu: "look ma, someone talked to us!"
mircea_popescu: maybe ask nic cary why he's not given ms boring the title :D
ThickAsThieves: ms boring?
mircea_popescu: you can ask the ripple people about mah ripple article if you particularly wish to be annoying, but i mean to what end.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves the bitcoingirl earlier.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.03389999 = 0.1695 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03164272 = 0.1582 BTC [-] {2}
ThickAsThieves: ;;google trilema.com ripple
gribble: RIPple, the definitive discussion. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/ripple-the-definitive-discussion>; Ripple - Reddit: <http://www.reddit.com/r/Ripple/>; NEXT: 20-03-2014 - #bitcoin-assets log: <http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2014&bots=true>
fluffypony: oh goodie, reading material for bed
fluffypony: tks ThickAsThieves
mircea_popescu: you can also ask ver how does it feel to have had a bunch of btc way back, and now toi have none, and just hang on to the memories of back when he could throw k's at the foundatyion.
mircea_popescu: but, again, why be so evil.
mircea_popescu: !up kanzure
assbot: Voicing kanzure for 30 minutes.
fluffypony: ok bed time for reals now, night
ThickAsThieves: yeah my intent isnt to be evil so much as to expose it
mircea_popescu: dont you guys think this guy's wife is like stealing him away from us ?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves https://twitter.com/jinyoungenglund/status/463101470821605376 << she says they neverannounced one
ThickAsThieves: i never heard of one til it was cancelled
mircea_popescu: "-Peter, Chief Scientist, Dark Wallet"
ThickAsThieves: to point to her i guess
mircea_popescu: you knoiw, i think i followed you into some sort of very obscure reddit/wikipedia drama.
mircea_popescu: some darkwallet fork and w/e
mircea_popescu: !up princessnell
assbot: Voicing princessnell for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: so openly admitting that im a totally unhip and out of the loop curmudgeon : da fuck's supposed to be the difference between "a hackathon" and "a start-up challenge" ?
mircea_popescu: the chick's using them as if they were terms of art. are they ?
mircea_popescu: i mean i get it, hackathon is that make teams and do a project thing
mircea_popescu: but a start-up challenge can easily be identical neh ?
ThickAsThieves: i dunno, i assume no coding is oinvolved in the latter
mircea_popescu: so like a marketathon ?
mircea_popescu: o look who;'s there
benkay: lo, for she speaks
ThickAsThieves: pitch decks, i bet
ThickAsThieves: a term you will see more and more in bitcoin world i suspect
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16100 @ 0.00083937 = 13.5139 BTC [-] {3}
benkay: coding is exclusive, y'assholes
benkay: gotta make room for the mktdroids
benkay: 'business plans' from people who've never run businesses and cannot plan.
mircea_popescu: "People are more violently opposed to fur than leather, because it's safer to harness rich women than motorcycle gangs."
benkay: mircea_popescu: for them to be terms of art, there'd need to be a field and for that field to have experts.
mircea_popescu: shush you.
mircea_popescu: this is the future.
benkay: i'm an expert at selling bullshit to vc's.
benkay: fartspert
benkay: hue hue hue
benkay: actually told someone 'no, this 10k LOC won't get you all the way to your dream business, but it will get you selling crap online and that'll be enough to raise the remaining 40k to pay us to make the rest of the thing for you' recently.
bounce: such colourful speech
mircea_popescu: sounds like the silicon valley of maharashtra.
benkay: 'fart up for less! come to cascadia.'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6150 @ 0.00083899 = 5.1598 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48357 @ 0.00084511 = 40.867 BTC [+] {5}
ThickAsThieves: lol my wordpress makes me approve my own comments...
ThickAsThieves: previous link should display now
bounce: feh, people running ads to implore people to go vote for the eurocircus. the only winning move is to get one of dem euroseats, sign in for the day (for the money) then bugger off immediately.
mircea_popescu: bounce the only few times i ever wenbt to bruxelles i used to live-in with a friend that did exactly that.
mircea_popescu: If schools cannot justify differentials in rates of punishment by race or ethnic group, they will face the loss of federal funds and be forced to undertake costly diversity training. The nation's educators can avoid sanctions by adopting a racial quota system for student discipline. So as Roger Clegg, president and general counsel of the Center for Equal Opportunity, predicts, "school officials will either start discip
mircea_popescu: lining students who shouldn't be, or, more likely, will not discipline some students who ought to be."
mircea_popescu: funniest thing i read all week.
mircea_popescu: discipline quotas!
mircea_popescu: i fucking use this for my own benefit, as it happens. "i've not spanked anyone in a long time, who'd like a red butt ?"
bounce now regrets not cozying up to the local parties to get on the would be lucky free money lists
bounce: then again, it'd mean campaigning. I'm not that fond of lying through my teeth.
mircea_popescu: it was like 100k back in 2004ish. muy cheap.
benkay: someone got run over in this town because they were doing pushups in the middle of the street at 4 am.
benkay: oh and he was naked.
bounce: roadkill
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6139 @ 0.00084805 = 5.2062 BTC [+]
benkay: well it's dinner party o'clock for sane people hereabouts. keep pumping neobee mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmkay?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 212 @ 0.00600152 = 1.2723 BTC [-] {6}
mircea_popescu: Portland police first received a call at 4:04 a.m. reporting a naked man was running through traffic near Columbia and Portsmouth Ave.
mircea_popescu: While police were on their way to the scene, they received a call stating that the naked man was now doing pushups in the street.
mircea_popescu: Still en route, police received a third call reporting that the man had been struck by a vehicle.
mircea_popescu: ok that was pretty good.
benkay: nobody can move fast enough to save the retarded and drug addled from theyselves.
benkay: OKAY IM OUT FOR SRS
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dub: [15:29] <gesell1> !up
dub: [15:29] <gribble> Error: "up" is not a valid command.
dub: look what you have done
dub: [15:30] <gesell1> !up
dub: [15:30] <gribble> Error: "up" is not a valid command.
dub: [15:31] <gesell1> ?
cazalla: benkay: we have public safety warnings here in australia to warn people not to sleep on the road
cazalla: pushups would be an improvement
mircea_popescu: ok, am i nuts or does http://pool.sks-keyservers.net:11371/ have a very different icon from http://pool.sks-keyservers.net/ ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 40 @ 0.07679645 = 3.0719 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 11 @ 0.03300109 = 0.363 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2200 @ 0.00084787 = 1.8653 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.469901 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03225525 = 0.129 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.46577258 = 2.3289 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13443 @ 0.00084504 = 11.3599 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.03263302 = 0.3263 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0330011 = 0.33 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 307 @ 0.00084387 = 0.2591 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: "Superservitude with an attitude." ahaha great one.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves' twitter acct.
mircea_popescu: i *think* it's based off some comment of mine from x years ago that being an admin is being a superservant not a superuser.
asciilifeform: 'superservitude' evokes a story. over here in usa, schoolchildren (in many states, mine included) were required to do x hours of 'community service' to graduate
mircea_popescu: wait what ?!
mircea_popescu: isn't that a substitute punishment for poor people that can't pay fines ?
benkay: lol yup
asciilifeform: one option, riotously funny, was advertised on library wall. 'society against involuntary servitude' (an org run by 'randroids') that... campaigned against community serv. requirements.
asciilifeform: it counted!
mircea_popescu: haha cool.
mircea_popescu: you've gotten nustso socialist over there btw. i mean wtf is this, community service ? i wouldn't have graduated.
asciilifeform: (what did i do? well, i worked summers in a bio lab. technically unpaid. so, i was golden.)
asciilifeform: (they had a special arrangement, where you'd get a 'prize' later.)
mircea_popescu: let teh community service me instead.
mircea_popescu: "I use "sign" in the widest sense of the definition. It is a wonderful case of an almost popular use of a very broad word in almost the exact sense of the scientific definition." << this may actuallty be the only case where popular use actually coincides with scientific use.
asciilifeform: punishment for poor people << aye! drive on 'beltway', watch the prison wagens (colourful logo) and their crews, picking up rubbish.
mircea_popescu: randroids being ayn rand ppls ?
mircea_popescu: i keep learning all these wonderful things.
asciilifeform: popular name for the folks who go full throttle with ms rand
mircea_popescu: i also picked up "nrx" today
asciilifeform: w'ts that
mircea_popescu: apparently lulzing @the us contemporary nonsense has a name and an acronym. neoreactionary!
asciilifeform: aha mr mold's word.
mircea_popescu: i'm not even reactionary, myself, i've not gotten so far. some visiting french politics professor called me "white"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1900 @ 0.0008458 = 1.607 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: not to do with skin color, but with this 1500s political divide.
asciilifeform: to me 'white' still evokes 'white' vs 'red'
mircea_popescu: well exactly. "pars imperii", and the white rose.
mircea_popescu: we're talking some heavy 1125 shit here.
asciilifeform: sure he was french and not herr eco?
mircea_popescu: nevermind that :p
asciilifeform: (any u. eco fans here?)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3250 @ 0.00084763 = 2.7548 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0330001 = 0.33 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11550 @ 0.00084805 = 9.795 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.47511 = 0.9502 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14000 @ 0.00084806 = 11.8728 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.47511 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6100 @ 0.00084404 = 5.1486 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.46904602 = 2.3452 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.033 = 0.33 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 200 @ 0.0013 = 0.26 BTC [-]
mike_c: ping ThickAsThieves
mike_c: you can use http://www.btcalpha.com/bb_ad.png as is if you want.
mike_c: link it with your ref to the homepage
mike_c: or wait a few days and I'll have a script that you can include in the page that will link it to the bet it is displaying with your ref address.
mike_c: ooh, i see the once a month s.mpoe sale is in effect
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2426 @ 0.00084342 = 2.0461 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.077 = 0.385 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07616 = 0.1523 BTC [-] {2}
benkay: lol @ mike_c
benkay: get 'em while they're cheap frrreal
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 917 @ 0.00084497 = 0.7748 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07580996 = 0.379 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 80 @ 0.00298124 = 0.2385 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8600 @ 0.00084497 = 7.2667 BTC [+]
ozbot: Peer-to-Peer Lender Prosper Marketplace to Get $70 Million in Funding - MoneyBeat - WSJ
ThickAsThieves: "The investment –seven months after a $25-million infusion by Sequoia Capital, BlackRock and other investors—underscores a growing appetite to fuel a fledgling but fast-growing disintermediation of conventional banking."
ThickAsThieves: Prosper is basically an old fiat BTCJam
ThickAsThieves: kinda weird they are now getting two funding deals
ThickAsThieves: "Prosper has originated more than $1 billion in unsecured personal loans. “We will hit our second billion this year,” Mr. Vermut said."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1283 @ 0.00084497 = 1.0841 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 517 @ 0.00084538 = 0.4371 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3050 @ 0.00084538 = 2.5784 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 103 @ 0.00120693 = 0.1243 BTC [-] {3}
artifexd: mircea_popescu: The look the same to me. WRT http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-05-2014#660093
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.06474168 = 0.6474 BTC [-]
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