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ThickAsThieves: btc on the other hand...
ThickAsThieves: fukn ponzi
bitcoinpete: lol pretty much
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4187 @ 0.00095588 = 4.0023 BTC [+]
bgupta: So is there any way to cryptographically take a blockchain and split it into seperate blockchains but transfer value between the blockchains on a 1/1 ratio, without having them just simply be seperate blockchains with market dynamics?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3700 @ 0.00095218 = 3.5231 BTC [-]
bitcoinpete: http://epicureandealmaker.blogspot.ca/2008/10/everyone-can-be-super.html <<trainflakes
ozbot: The Epicurean Dealmaker: Everyone Can Be Super
bitcoinpete: "The gleaming monuments of every society are built high upon the bones and broken dreams of millions and millions of nobodies who hoped for something better."
bitcoinpete: "Here’s the straight dope: you ain’t that great, and you sure as hell ain’t that unique. Get in line with the other millions in your age group and suck it up."
benkay: ;;later tell mircea_popescu let me tell you about this crazy thing some crypto cats were banging on at me about today. given a company who's interested in genes and a uni with a giant set of genes and phone numbers for each, how do you match the people with the company without the company revealing what sequence it's interested in or the uni the people's gene sequences?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
benkay: ;;later tell mircea_popescu "homomorphic or semi-homomorphic" encryption, where 3 parties each control one computer working with the other two in lockstep to solve the problem.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
benkay: asciilifeform: your wisdom and insight on the topic much appreciated to boot.
benkay: "semi homomorphic encryption and multiparty communication" is what the web tells me this snake oil is called.
benkay: off for the night, y'all. please break havelock for me
bitcoinpete: cheers
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.067173 = 0.3359 BTC [-] {2}
bitcoinpete: we'll try
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6100 @ 0.00095218 = 5.8083 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16400 @ 0.00095303 = 15.6297 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1257 @ 0.00095303 = 1.198 BTC [+]
fluffypony: http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/23/justice/postal-worker-jailed-missing-mail/index.html
ozbot: Kentucky postal worker jailed for stashing 44,900 pieces of mail - CNN.com
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 150 @ 0.0075 = 1.125 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 100 @ 0.06555962 = 6.556 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 39 @ 0.06522636 = 2.5438 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 90 @ 0.06263131 = 5.6368 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.00095339 = 5.053 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 266 @ 0.00083683 = 0.2226 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11350 @ 0.00095099 = 10.7937 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6243 @ 0.00095341 = 5.9521 BTC [+]
fluffypony: http://an7isec.blogspot.co.il/2014/04/pown-noobs-acunetix-0day.html
ozbot: An7i Security: Pwn the n00bs - Acunetix 0day
fluffypony: nice
fluffypony: Naphex will enjoy that
HeySteve: hey fluffypony, do you know what sort of customs duty SA would charge on electronics imports?
fluffypony: HeySteve: it depends on what electronics...typically for PC components it's just 14% VAT and a release fee (R15 - R30)
fluffypony: because PC components are classified by customs as "spare parts"
HeySteve: I found a nice camera on coinsfortech selling for btc, works out about R7000 cheaper than on kalahari including shipping
HeySteve: ok so just the VAT thanks
fluffypony: yep
fluffypony: but
fluffypony: CoinsForTech ship with FedEx (SupaSwift is the local agent)
fluffypony: so you'll also have to pay their admin/documentation charges
HeySteve: are those expensive?
fluffypony: yeah, and a camera isn't electronics components, different tarriff heading
fluffypony: not sure what tariff heading they'll list it under
fluffypony: but it looks like they'll charge VAT
fluffypony: then
fluffypony: processing fee of R142.83, disbursement fee of R26.51, release fee of R2, all plus VAT
HeySteve: right. still about R4k cheaper, it's just the wait time
fluffypony: FedEx is fast - 5-10 actual days tops
HeySteve: cool thx
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4207 @ 0.00095471 = 4.0165 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00095417 = 9.7325 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6300 @ 0.00095488 = 6.0157 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2107 @ 0.00095409 = 2.0103 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.04417849 = 0.3092 BTC [+] {3}
fluffypony: moiety: top o' the mornin'
moiety: morning!
mircea_popescu: heya!
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: morning
moiety: how are you guys today?
moiety: i don't feel fully awake
fluffypony: also feeling a little bushed
fluffypony: need a third espresso
wywialm: hello moiety, hello mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: you people and teh coffee habit.
mircea_popescu: o hey, wywialm didja read my fundamental thing on economics ?
wywialm: yes, i did, i'm in the process of responding
wywialm: it may take a day or so, unfortunately
fluffypony: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1416262/Court-refuses-trial-by-combat.html
ozbot: Court refuses trial by combat - Telegraph
wywialm: would you like to discuss it in the channel or read my opinion in the comments?
mircea_popescu: wywialm no rush!
mircea_popescu: comments better.
wywialm: sure
mircea_popescu: the channel is difficult to sort for all but the most advanced of wizards
Naphex: morning
moiety: I'm now imagining you in full wizard get up when in here
moiety: http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/apr/23/raf-fighter-jets-russian-bombers-scotland
ozbot: RAF fighter jets intercept Russian bombers off coast of Scotland | UK news | theguardian.com
wywialm: good morning, Naphex
mircea_popescu: A court has rejected a 60-year-old man's attempt to invoke the ancient right to trial by combat, rather than pay a £25 fine for a minor motoring offence.
mircea_popescu: Leon Humphreys remained adamant yesterday that his right to fight a champion nominated by the Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency (DVLA) was still valid under European human rights legislation. He said it would have been a "reasonable" way to settle the matter.
mircea_popescu: nice.
moiety: i don't think they were planning dropping off manuls
mircea_popescu: they were probably planning to show the raf it sucks.
moiety: probably. the base mentioned, Leuchars, is closing too
moiety: what happened with the max keiser fight night thing
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9043 @ 0.00095074 = 8.5975 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: anyway, i don;t think the SOPS appreciate the seriousness of the problem. once people are actually willing to fight anyone you fucking name, to the death, your days are quite numbered.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2013/the-sops-or-what-might-you-expect-from-government-clerks/ etc,
ozbot: The SOPS, or what might you expect from government clerks pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06778263 = 0.1356 BTC [+] {2}
Naphex: ;;ident
gribble: Nick 'Naphex', with hostmask 'Naphex!~naphex@btcxchange.ro', is identified as user 'Naphex', with GPG key id 64CDBADCE1E0BBAF, key fingerprint F3D76A985F5844814A93F46364CDBADCE1E0BBAF, and bitcoin address 12mVDqdWqFY6zrCqNqgHbxhDPB4ZVUuaTu
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17300 @ 0.00095614 = 16.5412 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: Naphex cool.
mircea_popescu: Naphex email.
mircea_popescu: !up CheckDavid
assbot: Voicing CheckDavid for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot CheckDavid
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user CheckDavid: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=CheckDavid | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=CheckDavid | Rated since: Fri Apr 11 12:52:24 2014
CheckDavid: How does it work here now mircea_popescu ?
fluffypony: CheckDavid: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/04/11_bitcoin-assets-new-wot-and-voice-model.html
mircea_popescu: ^
CheckDavid: Why not on the topic?
mircea_popescu: possibly because we prefer people ask
mircea_popescu: otherwise because it was never considered
CheckDavid: I see.
CheckDavid: Glad I asked then.
CheckDavid: I have 0 trust :(
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3900 @ 0.00095232 = 3.714 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: you gotta get in the trustlist of someone assbot trusts
CheckDavid: I am not doing much business in here or even trading a single satoshi around
CheckDavid: So I don't know much ways on how to do that with begging
CheckDavid: Without
mircea_popescu: the idea is that if you don't trade you prolly don't need voice.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/bitcoin-assets-m/ < that's the philosophy involved.
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets +m pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
CheckDavid: Actually I'm doing business
fluffypony: CheckDavid: go do some trades in -otc then? always good to have some historical ratings on the WoT
CheckDavid: I will ask around for that
fluffypony: there ya go :)
CheckDavid: Such a hassle to authenticate with gribble on a mobile device
mircea_popescu: CheckDavid if you're doing business, then you're definitely doing business with someone here at some point, or with someone they know.
mircea_popescu: a 1 isn't so hard to get historically.
CheckDavid: I see. I will get it
mircea_popescu: i suspect the reason why good crypto is a hassle on smartphones is exactly what one'd expect.
CheckDavid: How do you map a reason to an expectation?
CheckDavid: Your English is too advanced for me
CheckDavid: lol
mircea_popescu: ie, that it's not accidental, but deliberate, as part of a broader govt sponsored industry agreement to keep mobiles weak cryptographically
fluffypony: goes back to the NSA convo from yesterday
CheckDavid: Oh. NSA kinda stuff then rifht,?
CheckDavid: I see
mircea_popescu: as teh observation goes, all nsa successes to date are social engineering, not mathematical.
mircea_popescu: even if bounce would like us to believe they;'re smart, the record is actulaly that they're devious instead.
chetty: doesn't gubermint and devious mean the same thing?
CheckDavid: Who needs to be smart when you can fool a genius?
CheckDavid: Lol
mircea_popescu: http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/04/23/unique-ax-uses-physics-to-make-wood-chopping-smarter-not-harder/
ozbot: Unique Ax Uses Physics to Make Wood Chopping Smarter, Not Harder | TheBlaze.com
mircea_popescu: check this shit out
mircea_popescu: that's the best looking fucking axe i've ever seen
CheckDavid: mircea_popescu: bunch of coolness in there
mircea_popescu: :p
CheckDavid: I was sent a proposal to represent a business in acquiring projects for them on a commission based rewards schedule.
CheckDavid: It's startup in the it industry
davout: mircea_popescu: i recall visiting some old farm, and being shown tools that looked rudimentary, but were in fact perfectly balances as to minimize the strain on the farmer
CheckDavid: But confused me is how the commissions are based on the profit, and not on the sales volume or revenue
davout: s/balances/balanced/
mircea_popescu: CheckDavid hm ?
mircea_popescu: davout indeed.
CheckDavid: mircea_popescu: the proposed commissions on the draft are based on profit
CheckDavid: Like. X% of the profit generated from my sale
CheckDavid: I have never seen this
punkman: that axe looks like it might be awkward when chopping horizontally
chetty: sounds like a bad deal CheckDavid , company can just spend whatever of ads and exec salaries and you get squat
CheckDavid: I know chetty . that's why I found it weird
CheckDavid: Dissimulating profits is a pretty straightforward process
fluffypony: CheckDavid: based on gross profit or net profit?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo http://dpaste.com/1794160/
CheckDavid: It just says profit in the draft
mircea_popescu: punkman definitely. seems vertical.
CheckDavid: But it's just a draft
fluffypony: I mean, I can understand if there's a fixed CoS and they're calling (CoS - Sales) "profit"
mircea_popescu: CheckDavid i dunno what this is about ?!
CheckDavid: mircea_popescu: just a contract for sales rep that sets commissions to be based on profit instead of sales volume
CheckDavid: I was just wondering if this is normal
CheckDavid: Because I have never seen this kind of arrangement before
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9650 @ 0.00095239 = 9.1906 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: well... profit and sales volume correlate
mircea_popescu: so i guess it's just an arbitrary different comission %
mircea_popescu: item sells for 10k, profit is 1k, make 1% of net sales or 10% of net profit, same deal, you make 100 bux per item
mircea_popescu: !up CheckDavid
assbot: Voicing CheckDavid for 30 minutes.
fluffypony: CheckDavid: there is actually some precedent - I have a very good friend who moved here from Sweden to sell industrial cleaning equipment/supplies. he knows the cost of the product, and dependent on the size of the sale he can offer a discount to the client. his comm is based on the "profit" in that it's (sales - cost of sales), so he won't offer a discount on small sales but might determine it worthwhile reducing his comm on a larger sale
mircea_popescu: yeah it's kinda how large deals work. industrial equipment is a perfect example.
mircea_popescu: rarely used in consumer/retail
mircea_popescu: anywya, if you're working for a start-up you want either equity or a salary.
CheckDavid: mircea_popescu: yes. But it's for IT contracts. All contracts are different and have different details
mircea_popescu: in NO case do you work for a startup on a comission basis wtf is this, the land of where they get shit for free ?
CheckDavid: I see fluffypony . actually make sense
CheckDavid: mircea_popescu: really? I don't see why not
CheckDavid: It's sales after all
mircea_popescu: nope.
mircea_popescu: it's building their equity. either they pay for it or you get a share of it.
CheckDavid: I see.
CheckDavid: Well.
CheckDavid: The contacts I generate are supposed to generate life time commissions
mircea_popescu: so this is why you get equity
mircea_popescu: so that they DO generate lifetime comissions.
CheckDavid: Interesting point
fluffypony: yeah
mircea_popescu: people either mean what they say or they lie to you.
mircea_popescu: always very easy to find out which. just, need a little experience in business.
fluffypony: otherwise after a year or two the company can "fold" and reopen to service all the old clients, cutting you out the loop
mircea_popescu: "can". heh.
CheckDavid: I see.
CheckDavid: Though I was thinking about starting collaboration in a more informal manner.
mircea_popescu: informal only works if you're either part of the core or part of a group that can squish them.
fluffypony: there was a rental agency that had this awesome comm structure - find a tenant and you get half of their management fee for the lifetime of the tenant (they charge ~10% of the rent as a management fee)
mircea_popescu: that's why founderds deals work informally, and VCs deals not so much.
CheckDavid: I see.
CheckDavid: I am sure that works for you.
CheckDavid: But maybe I'm not in your position
CheckDavid: A position of experience and financial success
fluffypony: they exploded, dominated the scene as everyone referred their friends and all the home owners wanted tenants through them
fluffypony: fast forward 2 years and they "go bankrupt" and this new crowd that registered a business like a month ago "buys" all their existing contracts and databases and everything for $100 or something stupid
CheckDavid: For lack of better words
mircea_popescu: fluffypony happens all the damned time. i know like... two lawyers that ever successfully litigated the sort of shit
mircea_popescu: one of them's smoking hot too.
fluffypony: someone eventually connects that the new company is owned by the other guy's brother-in-law...cue shitstorm of epic proportions, but they got away with it because laws.
CheckDavid: I see
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1002 @ 0.00095239 = 0.9543 BTC [+]
CheckDavid: I gotta hustle though
mircea_popescu: CheckDavid jus' sayin'. in the end you do what you gotta do, but always better if you know the score than if you don't.
CheckDavid: The score? Isnt that only known in the end of the game?
CheckDavid: I thought you were still telling me the rules of the game.
CheckDavid: Haha. My total lack of knowledge of these expressions.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: yeah, but I think the legal framework in the EU in general is more mature...ZA law is Dutch-Roman with some British influence, but there's lots of stuff that has only come about more recently (eg. modern regulation of securities only happened with the Securities Services Act of 2004)
mircea_popescu: anyone seen gloria ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, it's a great film.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1050 @ 0.00095232 = 0.9999 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: !up toddf
assbot: Voicing toddf for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: !up LeMarkz
assbot: Voicing LeMarkz for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: http://www.script-o-rama.com/movie_scripts/g/gloria-script-transcript-gena-rowlands.html
ozbot: Gloria
mircea_popescu: "Fuck! He don't know the score. He sees a dame like you and a guy like me. He don't know."
mircea_popescu: said by a 6 yo puerto rican kid on the lam to a 50 yo retired blonde prostitute.
toddf: so am i in a void or is any news or chatter about picostocks.com just nonexistent? ;-)
mircea_popescu: ;;google picostocks site:log.bitcoin-assets.com
gribble: NEXT: 06-10-2013 - #bitcoin-assets log: <http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-10-2013&bots=true>; NEXT: 11-06-2013 - #bitcoin-assets log: <http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-06-2013&bots=true>; NEXT: 30-11-2013 - #bitcoin-assets log: <http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-11-2013&bots=true>
toddf: ok so even here, chatter about picostocks is .. dated
jurov: http://www.xbiz.com/news/178172 orly
ozbot: Chase Bank Slams the Door on More Porn Stars - XBIZ.com
mircea_popescu: toddf it's a scam. forget about it already, move on.
toddf: mircea_popescu: picostocks + cointerra sure
toddf: I've put some money in, and have already returned my investment plus, keeps on truckin, so .. 100th at least seems not to be a scam to me
toddf: there are clearly bot based traders present, but how is that new vs other exchanges
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointa.lk/threads/picostocks-100th-s-bitcoin-mine-100th.82106/#msg1495160
ozbot: [PicoStocks] 100TH/s bitcoin mine [100th] | Bitcointa.lk
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06778368 = 0.3389 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: this is a poor argument. if you read the logs you'll see you're by no means singular in making that error.
toddf: yes I've followed the thread, same content as on bitcointalk.org
mircea_popescu: yeah, it's the forum of record
toddf: so "I made money, just curious to talk to others who are also there" is a bad argument?
cazalla: toddf: shamefur dispray
mircea_popescu: (keeps everything, including the posts scamtalk.org mods try to hide)
mircea_popescu: toddf it is, yes.
mircea_popescu: it's an exact restatement of "driving faster than i can handle the car while drunk is safe, because i got home alright"
mircea_popescu: you will get fucked one day, and that day you will lose more than all your aggregate gains.
mircea_popescu: ask jurov, ask bugpowder, ask duffer ask what, dozens of people.
mircea_popescu: every single pirate investor "made money". until they didn't.
toddf: hmm, guess I'll focus on refining my btc-e.com trading bot
mircea_popescu: rithm is not voiced, so he can't say anything about thatg :D
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06779999 = 0.339 BTC [+]
toddf: if ppl not voiced wanna privchat me about picostocks fine. so .. I'll ensure I have net positive out and consinder continued income non reliable .. *shrug*.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06779999 = 0.678 BTC [+] {2}
jurov: http://www.coindesk.com/jeff-garzik-announces-partnership-launch-bitcoin-satellites-space/
jurov: blockchain bombardment from orbit
toddf: yeah, that was interesting news when i first read about it
toddf: akin to broadcasting usenet news from orbit
toddf: wonder when someone will skip the expense and simply start broadcasting bitcoin blocks via usenet .. which then can come to you .. from orbit ..
toddf: 'course not the nifty easy receiver mobile device and all that but hey, multiple paths mean more resiliancy right?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.0678 = 0.5424 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.00095232 = 4.9521 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6394 @ 0.00095257 = 6.0907 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: jurov twas here yest :D
Naphex: rainy day
Naphex: ;/
jurov: hm, that's like 1000 lines ago
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3650 @ 0.00095232 = 3.476 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ;;seen ThickAsThieves
gribble: ThickAsThieves was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 hours, 58 minutes, and 25 seconds ago: <ThickAsThieves> fukn ponzi
mircea_popescu: ;;seen dooglus
gribble: dooglus was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 37 weeks, 0 days, 8 hours, 8 minutes, and 6 seconds ago: <dooglus> seen mircea_popescu?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9096 @ 0.00095091 = 8.6495 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9054 @ 0.00095325 = 8.6307 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.0009556 = 5.3514 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: good morn
ThickAsThieves: so the neo software guys responded, you'll like this
Anduck: neo as?
fluffypony: Neo&Bee
Anduck: what he responded?
ThickAsThieves: read the logs
fluffypony: the (former) software devs are still figuring things out
Anduck: ThickAsThieves: no
fluffypony: and ThickAsThieves asked them to come here and chat to us
Anduck: will they come?
Anduck: is there a good summary of that whole neo bee casE?
ThickAsThieves: ...
fluffypony: let's find out...back to you in the studio, ThickAsThieves
Anduck: sorry
Anduck: they give + to people with no news knowledge
Anduck: x
Anduck: D
fluffypony: Anduck: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/23cjd9/the_full_picture_of_former_neo_bee_employees/
ThickAsThieves: ;;gettrust anduck
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask Anduck!~anduck@unaffiliated/anduck. Trust relationship from user ThickAsThieves to user anduck: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=ThickAsThieves&dest=anduck | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=anduck | Rated since: Tue May 8 11:28:43 2012
fluffypony: goot starting point
fluffypony: *good
Anduck: ok
Anduck: !up only
assbot: Voicing only for 30 minutes.
Anduck: buwahhahahahw
ThickAsThieves: anduck. what i am referring to has absolutely nothing to do with revelations about what happened to make Neo fall
Anduck: alright
ThickAsThieves: for the most part, that situation is now up to Danny and the authorities
ThickAsThieves: "HI John,
ThickAsThieves: thank you very much for your input and for pointing our a direction! It most certainly helps.
ThickAsThieves: We will approach #bitcoin-assets and see how it goes.
ThickAsThieves: We registered on bitangels.co and we asked Mike Hearn to be our technical advisor and he accepted.
ThickAsThieves: Thanks much!
ThickAsThieves: Michalis"
fluffypony: l
fluffypony: o
fluffypony: l
Anduck: btw
Anduck: tldr neo bee CEO ran with coins, all others are innocent?
ThickAsThieves: you could really benefit from understanding the world around you in its true form
ThickAsThieves: rather than converting everything into a summary
Anduck: true
Anduck: but i am leaving in 2 mins
Anduck: no time to read big papers
ThickAsThieves: it can wait
Anduck: true
ThickAsThieves: http://www.theverge.com/2014/4/24/5646554/andy-warhols-lost-amiga-computer-art-photo-essay
ozbot: Andy Warhol's Amiga computer art found 30 years later | The Verge
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves you have a mpex acct right ?
ThickAsThieves: yes
Anduck: lol
mircea_popescu: ok i got a business proposition for you
ThickAsThieves: shoot
ThickAsThieves: did you know that Amiga pixels were rectangles, not squares
mircea_popescu: it goes like this : the s.mpif is going to be reporting its assets monthly. meanwhile it will probably trade. there should be a mechanism to buy/sell shares to ensure the market stays liquid and more or less alligned to net value. so what i want to do is :
mircea_popescu: ima make you a s.mpif manager, give you 50 BTC , your job is to try and make a profit trading s.mpif of mpex.
mircea_popescu: you get a 10% cut of the results, report your trades monthly.
mircea_popescu: this is also good because it gives some anchor to the fund
mircea_popescu: (it's roughjly the equivalent of a normal ib liquidity clause)
ThickAsThieves: i will have some questions, probly in private
ThickAsThieves: been awake 10min also
mircea_popescu: take your time.
ThickAsThieves: thanks
mircea_popescu: kinda planning to announce the management rooster today, you'd be the 5th.
Anduck: what is mpif?
Anduck: mircea popescus investment fund i assume
mircea_popescu: Anduck tsk tsk not reading teh logs are we
fluffypony: Anduck: http://trilema.com/2014/the-wunderbar-smpif/
Anduck: i never read logs if i am not hilighted
fluffypony: kakobrekla: can you make assbot ping Anduck every day at a random time? :-P
ThickAsThieves: well, quit leaning on us to fill in your brain holes!
mircea_popescu: !down Anduck
assbot: mircea_popescu, you can't do that to Anduck.
mircea_popescu: tsk.
Anduck: mircea_popescu: haha
Anduck: off i go
Anduck: -<
mircea_popescu: you get the point.
davout: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=135181.msg6366978#msg6366978 <<< lmao
ozbot: MagicalTux?
ThickAsThieves: mp you see my quoted email from Neo software guys?
ThickAsThieves: it's like a dream
mircea_popescu: i didnt get to lulz yet, still working on you know, actual things :D
ThickAsThieves: word
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2350 @ 0.0009556 = 2.2457 BTC [+]
fluffypony: davout: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=2134
fluffypony: "No one will ever beat this guy's record."
fluffypony: lawl
davout: ;;gettrust MagicalTux
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user davout to user MagicalTux: Level 1: 0, Level 2: -7 via 6 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=davout&dest=MagicalTux | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=MagicalTux | Rated since: Mon Dec 20 13:21:21 2010
davout: ;;rate MagicalTux -10
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of -10 for user MagicalTux has been recorded.
davout: ;;rate mtgox -10
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of -10 for user mtgox has been recorded.
davout: now back to more productive endeavours
mircea_popescu: ;;rated magicaltux
gribble: You have not yet rated user magicaltux
mircea_popescu: heh.
mircea_popescu: ;;rate magicaltux -1 Overly large fuckwit.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of -1 for user magicaltux has been recorded.
davout: ;;rated jgarzik
gribble: You have not yet rated user jgarzik
davout: ;;gettrust jgarzik
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user davout to user jgarzik: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=davout&dest=jgarzik | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=jgarzik | Rated since: Mon Nov 8 13:35:30 2010
ThickAsThieves: ;;rate MagicalTux -10 took all my lulz away
gribble: Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.
fluffypony: lol - "If gox is solvent I'll buy you a Frappucino"
ThickAsThieves: weird
ThickAsThieves: i never logged out
ThickAsThieves: gribble blinked?
ThickAsThieves: i still haz voice tho
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: was offline for a bit
ThickAsThieves: hax
davout: ;;rate jgarzik 3 dem satellites
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 3 for user jgarzik has been recorded.
davout: ;;rate jgarzik 3 dem satellites, dat bounty
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user jgarzik has changed from 3 to 3.
davout: ;;gettrust ladybytes
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user davout to user ladybytes: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=davout&dest=ladybytes | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=ladybytes | Rated since: never
mircea_popescu: Al Gore asserted that it’s crucial for global philanthropists to impose “fertility management” on Africa.
mircea_popescu: if you like your big penis you can keep your big penis.
asciilifeform: snippetysnip
davout: ;;rate justmoon 1 met IRL, nice guy
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user justmoon has been recorded.
fluffypony: looking at the new TLDs that are available...I can get rs.guru
fluffypony: lawl
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: mp.ceo is still available
mircea_popescu: i couldn't care less tbh
davout: ;;rate molecular 1 met IRL, nice guy
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user molecular has been recorded.
ThickAsThieves: ceo is a domain tld?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00095222 = 9.3318 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: do we get a '.wtf' ?
ThickAsThieves: or .dotdot
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: yerp
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: you can get tat.ventures
fluffypony: .enterprises is also available
ozbot: -.-
ozbot: -.-
ozbot: earn currently unavailable
fluffypony: ozbot: I think I confused you
jurov runs for jurov.vermögensberatung
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.52695644 = 4.7426 BTC [+] {5}
fluffypony asks his wife for a translation
fluffypony: wealth consultant?
jurov: in practice just salesman of "life insurance"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03199 = 0.16 BTC [-]
fluffypony: ah ok
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.04150006 = 0.1245 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: blutjunge.verführerinnen ftw
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.031988 = 0.128 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: jurov i love how english berating and german beratung are cognates.
asciilifeform: lol!
mircea_popescu: consultancy, in the germanz view, is "omfg you are so stupid i can not even believe how stupid you are"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.04111429 = 0.2878 BTC [-] {2}
thestringpuller: kakobrekla: what kind of bot is assbot?
ThickAsThieves: a kind one
thestringpuller: >:( unlike ThickAsThieves
asciilifeform: 'tis a machine that threads arses. thought this was clear.
mircea_popescu: supybot i thought
asciilifeform: https://web.archive.org/web/20050309210742/http://www.informatics.sussex.ac.uk/users/adrianth/ices96/paper.html
ozbot: #tex2html_wrap430#
asciilifeform: ^ promised this to people at the conference
kakobrekla: its not supy
kakobrekla: i made it so its not anything
kakobrekla: it was coded way before -assets tbh, then repurchased
kakobrekla: eh
kakobrekla: autofail
kakobrekla: repurposed
kakobrekla: interestingly it tries to fix the correct word.
asciilifeform: phun phact. you can't buy a XC6216 now - for love or money.
kakobrekla: anyway im off for a couple of hrs. later
asciilifeform: (XC6216 was the one and only known fpga where random wiring was guaranteed -never- to release the magic smoke.)
asciilifeform: it was also the only xilinx chip with 100% documented internals.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/the-wunderbar-smpif/ << updated, lots of stuff. including teh managers/pcs etc.
ozbot: The wunderbar S.MPIF pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 461 @ 0.00095439 = 0.44 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: crew man #5 (TaT) sort of reminds me of my first exposure to MPEx.
mircea_popescu: how so ?
asciilifeform: well, it was 'here, try to make profit, do what you like'
mircea_popescu: hehe
asciilifeform: 'here's a chaingun, kid, have fun'
mircea_popescu: it's how you treat kids you'd like to see grow up into people.
asciilifeform: i assume all five fronts are manually-driven, like soviet nuke subs ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3850 @ 0.00095197 = 3.6651 BTC [-]
chetty: http://l3.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/EYUaXpcFAArImWCAnJ5nPg--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9ZmlsbDtoPTY4MTtweW9mZj0wO3E9NzU7dz05NjA-/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/Reuters/2014-04-24T111324Z_1272560593_GM1EA4O15BV01_RTRMADP_3_JAPAN-USA-OBAMA.JPG
asciilifeform: chetty: lol, mein Führer is permitted near a robot ?!
davout: mircea_popescu: mazeltov for S.MPIF !
chetty: asciilifeform, he is bowing to it
asciilifeform: chetty: good time for a tragic 'bug', i'd say.
chetty: awww
mircea_popescu: davout :D
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, which is why they have their own managers
asciilifeform: in his place, i'd avoid standing next to programmable hydraulics.
jurov: did obama try google car yet?
chetty: asciilifeform, nah he has best insurance policy - its called Biden
asciilifeform: lol
asciilifeform: http://cs320531.vk.me/v320531523/742f/5YlAkJjGgaA.jpg
mircea_popescu: benkay sure. a lot of excellent application for homomorphisms in crypto, many of them empowered/exposed by bitcoin
mircea_popescu: and the subsequent developments in finance.
asciilifeform: homomorph? what'd i miss in the log?
asciilifeform: damn
asciilifeform: benkay: "homomorphic or semi-homomorphic" encryption, where 3 parties each control << this is an entire science. see, for instance, Pascal Paillier's boojum.
mircea_popescu: whoa http://www.sogou.com/
mircea_popescu: apparently i'm huge in china
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 82 @ 0.00455081 = 0.3732 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 34 @ 0.00451371 = 0.1535 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-04-2014#639568 <<< funny how fucking wrong he were :D
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
mircea_popescu: i mean... not a single correct one at all. 0. zilch. nada.
mircea_popescu: "i will take my prize in atc" the man says.
asciilifeform: now toast to the five sappers. may they never err.
mircea_popescu: centanni
Naphex: woot. new servers got here :D
Naphex: time to do some benchs
Naphex: 2xE5-2640v2 - 4x8GB(RECC) - 8x256GB(SAM/SSD) - LSI9271-8i 2RU :D
fluffypony: nice
asciilifeform: ;;later tell kakobrekla pcb folks? do they also pick'n'place, SMT?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: how bout a toast to true capitalism?
Naphex: 2xE5-2620v2 - 4x8GB(RECC) - 2x600GB(ST/SAS) - LSi9260-4i 1RU
Naphex: for the smallies
Naphex: :D
mircea_popescu: chetty https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bl_IjnqCUAELlUW.png
Naphex: haha
mircea_popescu: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bl_B5p6CcAAEBhd.png
mircea_popescu: this dude
mircea_popescu: why is he not in the wot is what i wanna know. clearly he's seeking the approval of the people that make the world turn
Naphex: http://gfycat.com/ElderlyAptCorydorascatfish - i loled hard :))
ozbot: You got goxed - Gfycat
mircea_popescu: hey, DRKP or KDPR or DERP or wtf it's called secret services : drop the man a memo wtf.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.52194701 = 1.0439 BTC [-] {2}
fluffypony: ;;rate kimjongun 1 our glorious leader
gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
fluffypony: :(
asciilifeform: if the kid can sign up for 'warcraft', why not wot ?
mircea_popescu: cause the idjits at his ss ain't doin' their job.
mircea_popescu: you hear me ? put down the white powder and get to work, pancakefaces!
fluffypony: pankkakefaces?
mircea_popescu: well they're not french
mircea_popescu: "1 in 7 crimes committed in New York City now involves an Apple product being stolen."
mircea_popescu: APPLE TO BE BANNED BY USG
davout: betar ban ny
HeySteve: looks like some gox coins went into maidsafe
HeySteve: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=579797.msg6370852#msg6370852
HeySteve: how you guys all doing today?
fluffypony: well, it it's good enough for Karpeles, it's good enough for me
fluffypony invests all his ATC in MaidSafe
Luke-Jr: [13:11:59] <mircea_popescu> APPLE TO BE BANNED BY USG <-- please!
asciilifeform: s/banned/mandatory
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.00095084 = 3.2329 BTC [-]
hanbot: ;;rate asciilifeform 1 Valiant soldier of solder.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user asciilifeform has been recorded.
fluffypony: Naphex: opinion on Voxility srl?
chetty: http://journals.aps.org/prl/abstract/10.1103/PhysRevLett.111.033601
ozbot: Phys. Rev. Lett. 111, 033601 (2013) - Stopped Light and Image Storage by Electromagnetically Induced
asciilifeform: chetty: next thing we know, we're using delay-line storage again.
asciilifeform: and it's 1958 again.
chetty: asciilifeform, sometimes I think that would be an improvement
Naphex: fluffypony: never used them. but i'n genereal i wouldn't run bitcoin services on anything else then dedicated owned servers :P
fluffypony: Naphex: I'm not, just a friend using them for his ownCloud data (1gbps colocated box)
asciilifeform: ;;rate hanbot 1 had the honour of meeting this user in person.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user hanbot has been recorded.
Naphex: i'm not a fan of the cloud
Naphex: i still prefer having my own serves(bought hardware), coloc'd at industrial datacenters
Naphex: where you get an account manager that you know
Naphex: :P
fluffypony: Naphex: http://owncloud.org - it's just a FOSS implementation of a Google Drive/DropBox style service, so you have to host your own server to run it
asciilifeform: that's like building a replica of public toilet in your house.
asciilifeform: sure, you can... but why
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 2 @ 0.14 = 0.28 BTC
fluffypony: asciilifeform: if you're a company that doesn't want to trust your data to DropBox for sensitivity reasons, but still need to have similar functionality, it's great
fluffypony: not talking about über-paranoid data, but spreadsheets and docs and the like
asciilifeform: if you're inside friendly walls, even 'nfs' ought to suffice
hanbot: ;;rate davout 1 Delivered a worthy smackdown.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user davout has been recorded.
Naphex: off home. later
hanbot: ;;rate mike_c 1 Steel will, neat skills.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user mike_c has been recorded.
fluffypony: asciilifeform: agreed, but this is for contractors and staff scattered all over the place; all ownCloud comm is over an https api
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC
fluffypony: the dude looking at the MaidSafe investments: "I've traced back the BTC Guild admin too. There're big guys involved in this scam."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12581 @ 0.00095187 = 11.9755 BTC [+]
fluffypony: ;;later tell bitcoinpete oh look, surprise surprise, stolen mtgox coins have been invested in MaidSafe - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=579797.msg6370815#msg6370815
gribble: The operation succeeded.
hanbot: ;;rate kakobrekla 1 A reliable bloke who rolls a good fag.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user kakobrekla has been recorded.
HeySteve: this rickety tincan s'effrican internet can go to the devil
HeySteve: learnt to tolerate most of it the time but writing breaking news is not the time for this crap
fluffypony: HeySteve: run a bouncer off a VPS or something, then you won't miss anything
fluffypony: HeySteve: MTN's fibre-to-the-home stuff is coming later this year
HeySteve: well there's the log, but it's that I'm trying to verify the story by searching about the blockchain and forum
fluffypony: should be a lot more stable than DSL
HeySteve: fluffypony, yeah just heard, praise jebus
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.00095084 = 3.0427 BTC [-]
bounce: pfft. some adsl is perfectly stable.
fluffypony: bounce: depends on your distance to the MSAN here
fluffypony: most of our phone lines are still on wooden poles
fluffypony: with a dangly piece of wire running precariously from your roof to the pole
HeySteve: eh, was just on roof with pole trying to connect to WUG but trees seem to have firmly occluded signals
HeySteve: not my year for comms
HeySteve: sure I could've got thru that to someone with better net, despite their "T&Cs"
HeySteve: http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/news/breaking-mt-gox-maidsafe-gox-coins-flowing-maidsafe-ipo/2014/04/24
fluffypony: HeySteve: you linked to blockchain.info/ru/tags which is russian
HeySteve: damn
HeySteve: thanks man
HeySteve: just saw it was in english
asciilifeform: the hell's 'maidsafe'
asciilifeform: defence against 'evil maid attack' ?
davout: mircea_popescu: hanbot == mpoe-pr i presume?
HeySteve: I ain't 100% sure myself but basically decentralised interwebs
HeySteve: a bit like Freenet I think
asciilifeform: if like freenet, it needs coin why?
HeySteve: seemed nice from the PR I guess? then there was some associated bullshit with Mastercoin pay-ins to get MaidSafe coins - I didn't really follow the story tho
HeySteve: so it seems scammy and now Karpeles is jumping in to the scam pool
HeySteve: apparently
davout: ;;rate hanbot 1 delivered a fuckton of worthy smackdowns
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user hanbot has been recorded.
hanbot: davout oui
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 74 @ 0.00470969 = 0.3485 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4500 @ 0.00095084 = 4.2788 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: welcome hanbot!
hanbot: why ty
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 281 @ 0.00471 = 1.3235 BTC [+]
fluffypony: asciilifeform: it's basically exactly like Freenet except for some reason they "need" $3.5 mil to write the software and launch
hanbot: ;;rate thickasthieves 1 Conscientious reflector.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user thickasthieves has been recorded.
HeySteve: fluffypony where did you find that quote from the guy looking into Maidsafe?
fluffypony: HeySteve: on the thread
fluffypony: lemme find it
fluffypony: HeySteve: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=579797.msg6372186#msg6372186
asciilifeform: ;;rate Oleanie 1 live human!
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user Oleanie has been recorded.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 800 @ 0.14 = 112 BTC
HeySteve: thanks
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 2 @ 0.14 = 0.28 BTC
hanbot: ;;rate jurov 1 A dili-, intelli-, gent.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user jurov has been recorded.
jurov: you're welcome. coinbr customer or?
fluffypony: jurov: [16:04:49] <+davout> mircea_popescu: hanbot == mpoe-pr i presume?
asciilifeform: yes
hanbot: nod
jurov: oh :)
asciilifeform: fluffypony: they "need" $3.5 mil << one could build a... submarine. for this
bounce: and then you have a submarine. then what?
fluffypony: asciilifeform: so going back to your bitcoin-undersea-nodes idea;)
asciilifeform: bounce: unterseeminer
fluffypony: ^^
asciilifeform: just example.
ThickAsThieves: the pinodecchio would need to be located in places deemed unfishable
jurov: how would they broadcast? ultrasound? or they'll automatically seek and tap fiber?
asciilifeform: ;;google SOFAR
gribble: Sofar Sounds: <http://sofarsounds.com/>; SOFAR channel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SOFAR_channel>; Eminem - So Far (Lyrics On Screen) - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSEXEiY72JA>
bounce: maybe cheaper to get a 2nd hand sea platform or something
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9250 @ 0.00095187 = 8.8048 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: bounce: platform - psh. the whole point is to put them where nosy parkers can't get at them
asciilifeform: or, when they do, barometer triggers detonator
bounce: parkers? but wouldn't a cold war bunker be cheaper then?
asciilifeform: bounce: not if you want 10,000 of them
fluffypony: if anyone wants me to put them down as a CoinBr referral...first to give me their invitation code gets it
asciilifeform: consider the cost of sailing to just one precisely-specified coordinate pair in the deep sea
bounce: that's 3.5e11 dollahs. maybe a little on the spendy side.
bounce: oh, 3.5e10, my bad.
asciilifeform: point was, if the only object is to put machines in physically-inaccessible places, rather than cover the planet with radio, the sea is a more appropriate place than orbit.
bounce: do you need mobility? access?
asciilifeform: no mobility
asciilifeform: no repair
asciilifeform: just ampoules of inconel alloy, straddling the thermocline.
asciilifeform: with some very simplish silicon inside.
bounce: then concrete caissons might be more appropriate.
asciilifeform: 1km down?
asciilifeform: lol
bounce: why not? just thicken them up a bit. perhaps fill with cooling liquid if pressure becomes a problem. no need for air inside.
asciilifeform: no need for caissons. plain anchors would suffice.
ThickAsThieves: fluffypony Q9gPSuUvYS
fluffypony: oh there we go
fluffypony: just in time
bounce: you're trying to play a numbers game. why the spendy alloys when something stupid like concrete would do?
jurov: saltwater breaks down concrete
jurov: or at least permeates
jurov: you'd like your payload dry, i suppose
bounce: plastic liner, perhaps mineral oil instead of air for a filler
bounce: entirely underwater appears to be less of a problem than half-submerged
bounce: http://www.concreteconstruction.net/concrete-construction/salt-water-concrete.aspx
ozbot: Salt-water Concrete - Concrete Construction
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03249999 = 0.13 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.0435 = 0.261 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0325 = 0.13 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 6 @ 0.0742218 = 0.4453 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19659 @ 0.00095061 = 18.688 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24041 @ 0.00094938 = 22.824 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 850 @ 0.14 = 119 BTC
fluffypony: crumbs, so someone suggested returning the mtgox coins sent to MaidSafe to the sender - so Dan Larimer from BitShares says: "Sending them back to the thief? That makes no sense. They should either be sent to the bankruptcy court, destroyed as dividends to bitcoin holders, or used for development of maidsafe... the only thing that must not happen is the issuance of Safecoin to the thief."
fluffypony: meanwhile there are 6 hops between the "mtgox" address and the ScamSafe address, any of which could be an exchange or a tumbler
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9949 @ 0.00095187 = 9.4702 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14100 @ 0.00094924 = 13.3843 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.032948 = 0.1977 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.0742218 = 0.2227 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0415 = 0.2075 BTC [-]
mike_c: kakobrekla feature request: it would be nice to have yes/no bets confirmed/weighted sum in the BB json. it can be calculated from the bets, so not high priority, but if you're bored :)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.0742218 = 0.2227 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: i have additional request, a "scroll to bottom" button on the log
ThickAsThieves: mostly for mobile
mike_c: to avoid having to press the 'end' key?
mike_c: ah
ThickAsThieves: unless there is some magical stroke in android?
mike_c: not that i know of
jurov: yes, for tables it's nice too. i had to install some obscure threefinger dolphin plugin
jurov: for "scroll to end"
mike_c: and if you're in there, small bug report: weight_current is an int, but weight_end is a string.
ThickAsThieves: apparently i know a guy that knows a guy here: https://www.atlasats.com/about
ThickAsThieves: well,
ThickAsThieves: https://www.atlasats.com
ThickAsThieves: seems the offer options
ThickAsThieves: they
mike_c: multi-tiered multi-firewall. sounds secure!
ThickAsThieves: ^0^
benkay: jurov that porn star bank thing is just unreal
ThickAsThieves: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/04/24/voicemail_still_easy_to_hack/
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves
fluffypony: those are the guys that are partnering with that "National Stock Exchange" crowd?
fluffypony: yes looks like they are
benkay: mircea_popescu: regarding the emacs thing, it's just a bit of lisp to make working with gribble and assbot a little more pleasant.
benkay: ThickAsThieves re neo hackers, what'd mircea_popescu say? they're looking for incompetent leadership?
fluffypony: http://blog.spagni.net/posts/2014-04-24/
benkay: who is hanbot ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.55993150 BTC to 7`105 shares, 36030 satoshi per share
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1170 @ 0.00095187 = 1.1137 BTC [+]
benkay: hanbot, who are you?
benkay: ;;gettrust hanbot
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask hanbot!~hanbot@unaffiliated/hanbot. Trust relationship from user benkay to user hanbot: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 5 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=hanbot | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=hanbot | Rated since: Wed Dec 11 14:42:14 2013
asciilifeform: benkay: hanbot aka mpoepr
hanbot: benkay MPOE-PR
jurov: ThickAsThieves: did you publish the email somewhere?
benkay: was hoping. nice to have you.
benkay: ;;rate hanbot 1
gribble: Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.
benkay: wat
benkay: is there an ident timeout?
benkay: ;;eauth benkay
gribble: Request successful for user benkay, hostmask benkay!~user@2600:4402:c002:3::854:fb5e. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/2AFA1A9FD2D031DA
hanbot: benkay cheers
benkay: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:b6805062a69d88d6bbd941cb26ed5f37f08141da4d583b9f9ce7e73e
gribble: You are now authenticated for user benkay with key 2AFA1A9FD2D031DA
ThickAsThieves: <+benkay> ThickAsThieves re neo hackers, what'd mircea_popescu say? they're looking for incompetent leadership? /// wow, good call
benkay: ;;rate hanbot 1
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user hanbot has been recorded.
benkay: still curious about timeout
ThickAsThieves: yes jurov the latest email says: HI John,
ThickAsThieves: thank you very much for your input and for pointing our a direction! It most certainly helps.
ThickAsThieves: We will approach #bitcoin-assets and see how it goes.
ThickAsThieves: We registered on bitangels.co and we asked Mike Hearn to be our technical advisor and he accepted.
ThickAsThieves: Thanks much!
ThickAsThieves: Michalis
benkay: ;;unrate fluffypony
gribble: Error: You have not given this nick a rating previously.
benkay: ;;unrate mrstickball
gribble: Successfully removed your rating for mrstickball.
benkay: ;;unrate cgcardona_
gribble: Successfully removed your rating for cgcardona_.
benkay: ;;unrate dignork
gribble: Successfully removed your rating for dignork.
benkay: ;;unrate TestingUnoDosTres
gribble: Error: The target nick does not exist in the database.
benkay: ;;unrate TestingUnoDosTre
gribble: Successfully removed your rating for TestingUnoDosTre.
benkay: mas bueno.
ThickAsThieves: jurov otherwise i'll leave it to them to present a more elaborate document of their plan
fluffypony: benkay: mass unrates?
ThickAsThieves: looks like rates he gave for +m purposes
benkay: <fluffypony> with a dangly piece of wire running precariously from your roof to the pole << and i thought the romanian internet situation was dire.
benkay: fluffypony, ThickAsThieves i'm testing a scarcity hunch
benkay: i'll let you know how it goes in a decade.
fluffypony: benkay: when the wind blows that piece of wire hits a tree and our Internet drops
asciilifeform: benkay: the romanian internet situation was dire << don't know about the rest of Ro, but in Timis. there were fiber bundles as thick as a man's neck, everywhere.
fluffypony: and we have reboot the router to reconnect
ThickAsThieves: "At ZeroBlock, we encourage all exchanges in the bitcoin community to adopt FIX protocol, if they haven’t already. "
ThickAsThieves: mpex better get with teh programz!
ThickAsThieves: https://blog.blockchain.com/2014/04/24/zeroblock-release-fix-api/
ozbot: Zeroblock Releases FIX API Spec for Bitcoin Trading | Blockchain Blog
benkay: asciilifeform: mircea_popescu posted a picture a few months back of the amusing repair job done on the wire into his house/
asciilifeform: i think it was a plant of his, rather than house
dexX7: ;;later tell fluffypony re: "Blockchain.info still have to approve tags based on the reference material" -> http://canibuildasitehandlingotherpeoplesmoney.com/b.html
gribble: The operation succeeded.
benkay: house, plant. employees, slaves...
fluffypony: dexX7: LOL
fluffypony: admittedly their approval process isn't much of a process
fluffypony: "ctrl+f...ok cool approve"
benkay: <ThickAsThieves> unless there is some magical stroke in android? << my android has some magical strokes, ThickAsThieves, but i'm not sharing :D
dexX7: hehe yup, something like that
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25030 @ 0.0009517 = 23.8211 BTC [-] {2}
dexX7: it's pretty much worthless related to verification, e.g. https://blockchain.info/address/1111111111111111111114oLvT2
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> s/banned/mandatory << interestingly enough, these two are practically the same thing.
asciilifeform: 'all which is not forbidden is compulsory'
mircea_popescu: Naphex where are you hosting, tesari's magical oradea dc ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 223 @ 0.00084219 = 0.1878 BTC {2}
Naphex: mircea_popescu: gts telecom
Naphex: bucharest
Naphex: deficated locked down racks
mircea_popescu: <fluffypony> with a dangly piece of wire running precariously from your roof to the pole << funny, that's how romania does optic fibre.
Naphex: highly recommend it
benkay: defecated racks?!
benkay: now with poop security.
asciilifeform: dangly piece of wire running precariously from your roof to the pole << exactly what i have here
Naphex: benkay: hehe sorry ben, using phone
Naphex: in bed and laizy :)
benkay: no apologies necessary.
asciilifeform: underground comms - expensive
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: FIX is quite an interesting, old (early 90's) protocol that is basically pipe-char separated key-values (key is always numeric and based on a predefined list), and you literally dump the ASCII over a TCP session
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: slides - http://www.slideshare.net/aiQUANT/fix-protocol-overview-1697394
mircea_popescu: <davout> mircea_popescu: hanbot == mpoe-pr i presume? < aye
Naphex: fix sucks
fluffypony: asciilifeform: when we were still in Cape Town it had all been replaced with underground in our area, so it was dangly piece of wire straight into plastic trunking at the curb
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> ;;rate Oleanie 1 live human! <<< women aren't human!
Naphex: but i wrote a interface for it just in case :p
mircea_popescu: <bounce> and then you have a submarine. then what? << then they could hold their breath ? :D
fluffypony: Naphex: it's significantly faster for HFT than a RESTful API :)
Naphex: for sure
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: martian?
fluffypony: Naphex: I'm impressed you're ready to support it, you should go tell Blockchain that you're the first in the world to do so :-P
fluffypony: Naphex: https://blog.blockchain.com/2014/04/24/zeroblock-release-fix-api/
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform venusian!
asciilifeform: lol
Naphex: will deff integrate with rtbtc
Naphex: zeroblock
mircea_popescu: <fluffypony> i think you misunderstand the entire maidsafe thing. they just saw the bitbet treatment of late bets and are trying to implement something a) bigger and b) community-positive.
mircea_popescu: missing the point that it's small and community-negative FOR FUCKING REASONS
mircea_popescu: because that's what the would-be smart idiots not in here do : they misinterpret and misread my designs.
mircea_popescu: rather luciferic.
fluffypony: I don't understand...maidsafe's trying to do a bitbet?
mircea_popescu: the entire " They should either be sent to the bankruptcy court, destroyed as dividends to bitcoin holders, ~or used for development of maidsafe~..." thing
fluffypony: oh Danny boy's quote, tks, have context nao
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves> <+benkay> ThickAsThieves re neo hackers << lol i actually said EXACTLY that.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4642 @ 0.00095176 = 4.4181 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: so maidsafe wants to moderate what color money itll accept now?
mircea_popescu: <ThickAsThieves> We registered on bitangels.co and we asked Mike Hearn to be our technical advisor and he accepted. << this can't possibly go any other way than lulz
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: yerz...hence this post: http://blog.spagni.net/posts/2014-04-24/
ThickAsThieves: cuz taking on celebrity bitcoin advisers has worked so well so far
ThickAsThieves: your blog is pretty
mircea_popescu: <ThickAsThieves> mpex better get with teh programz! << who's zeroblock is more the q.
Naphex: mircea_popescu: former rtbtc
mircea_popescu: !up dooglus
assbot: Voicing dooglus for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: dooglus you know how to up yourself ?
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: tks, it's jekyll, which generates static html from markdown basically, and uses this jekyll theme: https://github.com/caarlos0/up
mircea_popescu: <Naphex> deficated locked down racks << only way to go, wd.
mircea_popescu: <Naphex> fix sucks << fix sucks in the sense the old volga car sucks.
mircea_popescu: it WAS a great beast. no longer very useful other than an old codger who once ruled his slice of the world,
mircea_popescu: to learn from.
Naphex: thq thq
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9285 @ 0.00095453 = 8.8628 BTC [+] {2}
Naphex: severs rock too, should carry lots
mircea_popescu: !up efalken
assbot: Voicing efalken for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: Hello!
ThickAsThieves: if anyone is feeling like a cringe: http://bitshares.org/
mircea_popescu: everyone : efalken is the guy who wrote the piece about mimics we read earlier
ThickAsThieves: efalken has seen the forums yet? :)
mircea_popescu: lol. i'm trying to argue this angle where bitcoin is for intelligent life forms.
fluffypony: REIMAGINE EVERYTHING
fluffypony reimagines sex and buy BitShares
mircea_popescu: ;;us thq
gribble: Error: "us" is not a valid command.
mircea_popescu: ;;ud thq
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=THQ | Jun 24, 2007 ... THQ. abreviation for "team hit and quit" one guy dates a girl, fucks her, dumps her , and then his friend does the same. Me and my best friend ...
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: THQ
mircea_popescu: Naphex srsly ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16040 @ 0.0009564 = 15.3407 BTC [+] {3}
Naphex: Naphex: seriously what?:o
Naphex: damn phone, sec let me move
mircea_popescu: phones are so useful :D
benkay: mircea_popescu: you starve me of my due credit oh bitlord
benkay: welcome efalken
mircea_popescu: benkay what'd i do ?
benkay: i suppose anyone can stitch the falken links together
mircea_popescu: meanwhile from the sad news department, what'll be the jd s.mpif investment stands at 49.99508744
benkay: BUT I CRAVE APPROVAL
mircea_popescu: we're already in the red ;/
mircea_popescu: benkay wait wait be explicit
jurov: should have invested in coinroll
asciilifeform: since i've been living under a rock, i gotta ask - is jd just sd with new fuel rods?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's sd done by a better guy, with a better model.
benkay: mircea_popescu: i believe i brought the mimicry post to everyone's attention.
benkay: but anyways.
mircea_popescu: benkay so you did!
benkay: whatever irrelevant. the joke was actually about whiny young americans.
mircea_popescu: if anyone proposes we devoice you i'll make sure to mention it, how about that ? :D
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: take the 0.00491256 difference out of my Trilema credits
fluffypony: :-P
mircea_popescu: i'll be all like, "naw man, who;s gonna bring us the good mimes anymoar"
benkay: har if i'm up for devoicing the sybils've won and i better skeedaddle anyways.
mircea_popescu: interesting how that works.
mircea_popescu: efalken to speak you type in the lower bar and hit enter
jurov: !up mjr_
assbot: Voicing mjr_ for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: !up tris
assbot: Voicing tris for 30 minutes.
fluffypony: tris: every time I see your host I think you're from Etherium and have come to convince me to "invest"
ThickAsThieves: that would be lovely
mircea_popescu: isn't it ethereum ?
ThickAsThieves: vitalik should come for a visit
mircea_popescu: so tell him.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: ah yes, I can never remember
mircea_popescu: the nefarious influence of mp : ThickAsThieves wants to ask me q's in private, ends up making a new blog to publish the results on.
mircea_popescu: basically... i'm the denudificator.
asciilifeform: verführer ?
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: your apparatus is losing umlauts again.
mircea_popescu: isn't that a demon ?
asciilifeform: 'seducer' (leader-astray)
asciilifeform: you taught us the word today
mircea_popescu: zersetzungszelle verführer!
benkay: ;;seen randomcat
gribble: I have not seen randomcat.
benkay: ;;seen random_cat
gribble: random_cat was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 6 days, 12 hours, 3 minutes, and 29 seconds ago: <random_cat> next year?
benkay: !up random_cat_
assbot: Voicing random_cat_ for 30 minutes.
benkay: hey random_cat_
benkay: lol 3 pings. ideally that'll get someone's attention.
mircea_popescu: !jd
assbot: Just-Dice stat: 16297 BTC profit, 35.9k BTC invested, 1092.27 mio bets, 5.20 mio BTC wagered
asciilifeform: where's tat's blog ?
mircea_popescu: cooking.
Naphex: mircea_popescu: q, if user wants to change gpg key. req gpgauth. if lost only real-life iding process will recover
Naphex: sounds right?
Naphex: IDing
mircea_popescu: it's how nanotube runs the wot.
mircea_popescu: probably should include proeminent warnings to ppls.
asciilifeform: wait he forgives lost keys ?!?!?
jurov: http://mpex.coinbr.com/faq.html#24 < naphex
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if you beg him.
mircea_popescu: and he knows you.
mircea_popescu: maybe.
jurov: oh he meant wot
Naphex: thx jurov
asciilifeform: lost key, lost soul
Naphex: there are clients who go and wait by the atmi
Naphex: after selling their btc
Naphex: without hitting withdraw. then they call mad
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.06778 = 0.2711 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: lmao
mircea_popescu: i wouldn't touch the romanian derpage, myself.
Naphex: or others who just fill the deposit form
Naphex: and wait for us to withdraw money from their account
Naphex: :)
mircea_popescu: should just ship these fellows over to obama
mircea_popescu: i miss old style prisoner exchange things. "give me these guys that belong to us, you can have these twerps that'll prolly fit there better"
mircea_popescu: then one rainy night in berlin...
asciilifeform: Glienicke Brücke
Naphex: :))
asciilifeform: unrelated:
asciilifeform: http://imgur.com/e8MOim6
ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ^ what are these
asciilifeform: zaporozhets?
Naphex: that a lada? :p
mircea_popescu: mnah.
mircea_popescu: that's a dacia 1310
mircea_popescu: engine (2 cycle) is in the... back.
asciilifeform: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/18/ZAZ-968_front.jpg
mircea_popescu: wait wrong
mircea_popescu: dacia 1100
asciilifeform: (zaporozhets. my folks had one. very similar looking)
mircea_popescu: (bulgarrenault 8)
mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/embed/XPR84AGLw_M << 1950s advert.
ozbot: RECLAMA COMUNISTA dacia 1100 - YouTube
Naphex: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPR84AGLw_M la start!
ozbot: RECLAMA COMUNISTA dacia 1100 - YouTube
Naphex: omg
Naphex: :((
Naphex: MD still talks like that:]
mircea_popescu: 5/hour. bath paint.
mircea_popescu: 46cp,
mircea_popescu: Naphex md ?
Naphex: moldova
mircea_popescu: a
asciilifeform: speaking of such ads,
asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxMluSU6Frw
ozbot: Tatra 603 ad - YouTube
dooglus: hi guys
jurov: welcome dooglus
mircea_popescu: hey dooglus
jurov: ;;ident dooglus
gribble: Nick 'dooglus', with hostmask 'dooglus!~biufter@unaffiliated/dooglus', is identified as user 'dooglus', with GPG key id 4BE6A010492A358E, key fingerprint 258EAE7C26B1F2EBCFA180C04BE6A010492A358E, and bitcoin address 1Doog7asLrYah3yeUppBVj8nUYnFkmXm2N
dooglus: I noticed you had voiced me for 30 minutes about 31 minutes after it happened
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: anyway, you id with gribble, you pm assbot !up and you're good.
dooglus: assbot ignores 'help' - but google told me about !up
dooglus: well, I did all that - or I wouldn't be talking now
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla mebbe assbot should reply to help
mircea_popescu: dooglus hehe yeah
benkay: would it be a terrible idea to allow people to request voice in chan via pm once every so many minutes?
benkay: via pm to assbot
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform btw what's the tatra truck thing ? god i loved those
asciilifeform: http://www.tatratrucks.com ?
mircea_popescu: benkay like, once every half hour someone (anyone) can pm assbot "!plz" and assbot will dump in chan "Anyone wanna !up X?"
asciilifeform: still in business, it seems
dooglus: would it be useful if I made the S.MPIF Just-Dice account balance visible to the public?
mircea_popescu: dooglus it can't hurt anything. you know which it is ?
dooglus: I've no idea
mircea_popescu: sec
benkay: mircea_popescu: that's exactly it.
mircea_popescu: 700458
dooglus: thanks
mircea_popescu: holy shit you've had a ton of new accts huh
mircea_popescu: this can't be legitimate, you got spammed ?
mike_c: now we can watch and see if that account is betting with pif money too :)
mircea_popescu: lol i don't see how it could, but yeah
mike_c: jd creates a new account whenever someone not-cookied visits JD
mircea_popescu ponders whether his 3 digit jd acct is worth money :D
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6468 @ 0.00094923 = 6.1396 BTC [-]
Duffer1: mp ask nokawa he might be interested :P
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform was a particular type of them. ro military used them extensively.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4889 @ 0.00094923 = 4.6408 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: Tatra 813 turns out.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: worked on them?
mircea_popescu: me ? no, i was like 5.
asciilifeform: lol
mircea_popescu: but they were awesome.
mircea_popescu: and bs, you could never find models. only models of these other shitty trucks
mircea_popescu: it scarred my childhood i tell you.
mircea_popescu: 8x8 drive, that thing.
asciilifeform: could run on kerosene! neat
mircea_popescu: it ran on toluene,
mircea_popescu: or whatever else.
mircea_popescu: !up justusranvier
assbot: Voicing justusranvier for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot justusranvier
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user justusranvier: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=justusranvier | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=justusranvier | Rated since: Mon Feb 11 19:56:55 2013
mircea_popescu: aok
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.52141571 = 1.5642 BTC [-] {3}
benkay: http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304279904579517934206301354?mod=trending_now_3
mircea_popescu: ozbot pls to tell me wtf link is cause otherwise i just ignore them ty.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2800 @ 0.0001306 = 0.3657 BTC [-] {5}
asciilifeform: benkay: no prizes for guessing what mega-subsidy like this does to the price.
asciilifeform: imagine if, rather than this, student loan were secured by... disassembly for organs
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the us has a serious problem with the absnece of an evil empire.
ThickAsThieves: blog is in progress, need to wait for domain to propagate and some other bs
mircea_popescu: they couldn't be secured by organ harvesting, but they could be secured by sale to evil empire of fuckland
mircea_popescu: where one lives on a boat in a 2x3 space, separated by a hanging sheet from all the other prostitutes
asciilifeform: what does fuckland do with the male idiots?
asciilifeform: butugychag?
benkay: cage matches.
mircea_popescu: either that or... idem. apparently people pay to fuck males, too.
benkay: o ya
benkay: wait really?
asciilifeform: niche product.
asciilifeform: (literally...)
benkay: i thought the homo scene was all about dat promiscuity.
mircea_popescu: here's a fun bit of the history of racism in europe :
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.068 = 0.272 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: gypsies always have lived as nomads. most of the ancient roman empire is inhabited by sedentary farmer types. the differences are quite marked, and children are wired to react negatively to difference.
mircea_popescu: consequently, for centuries, the ultimate parental threat was, "i'ma give you to the gypsy man, who comes by with a sack to collect bad kids"
Naphex: thats taboo now though!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13050 @ 0.00095533 = 12.4671 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: in typical eeuropean quaintness, your average gypsy worker guy with a sack would generously play the part, for the benefit of any mom needing it
mircea_popescu: sort-of like spontaneous adult complicity.
asciilifeform: the mega-lol being, that these folks would literally rather steal anything else
mircea_popescu: yup
mircea_popescu: esp the mother.
mircea_popescu: !up zedong
assbot: Voicing zedong for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: even selling the female lusers, that'd be a serious haircut
mircea_popescu: (my braindead use of "racism" ethnically reflects merely the confused use of the term by the people most likely to use it, i disclaim any other implication)
asciilifeform: considering what they'd be worth on international market
asciilifeform: not exactly 'FDA Grade A'
mircea_popescu: there's an international market for badly brought up western females ?
asciilifeform: gotta be
asciilifeform: even pig shit can be sold
mircea_popescu: maybe if someone's looking for exclamation point counting services.
dooglus: "whether his 3 digit jd acct is worth money" -- probably a little for vanity's sake, and more if it has a negative investment profit
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.52145683 BTC [+]
dooglus: (accounts with negative profit pay no commission until the loss is recouped)
mircea_popescu: dooglus i believe the vanity value is actually an indirect measure of jd worth
asciilifeform: you can use 'vi' instead of 'emacs' if you were to buy a parenthesis-counting slavegurl ?
Naphex: dooglus: ever tought about putting out an API? I've heard of guys who'd want to put JustDice in a Romanian Gabling Machine :)
mircea_popescu: he has an api im pretty sure
Naphex: the ones the put in 'birts', what are they called mircea_popescu ?
Naphex: pacanelele
Naphex: :)
mircea_popescu: Naphex whoa srsly ? how'd it work tho ?
asciilifeform: this is good point, dice gizmos ought to be physically present, blinkenlighs, bells, in boozing houses.
Naphex: mircea_popescu: probably with btc from the bar, and house buys btc back.
Naphex: atleast thats how i heard it proposed
mircea_popescu: getting the bar to grok btc processing tho...
mircea_popescu: Naphex you should build an api to support his api to make it easy for bars.
mircea_popescu: offer guaranteed values for a week, say.
Naphex: btcxchange-rpc api should support mostly anything. but i'm swamped
Naphex: working on the btc payments gateway
asciilifeform: adding booze to diceatrons - this'd be like lithium deuteride booster for nuke.
asciilifeform: just what doctor ordered.
Naphex: so they can start advertising to online stores
mircea_popescu: dooglus you been putting any work into getting a physical machine ?
Naphex: physical machine wouldn't be hard at all
mircea_popescu: things that wouldn't be hard at all usually take upwards of six months.
Naphex: mircea_popescu: http://www.alienconcept.ro/
benkay: <mircea_popescu> things that wouldn't be hard at all usually take upwards of six months. << this again and again
mircea_popescu: definitely something to do there tho.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2369 @ 0.00095245 = 2.2564 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: ;;rate hanbot 3 Only Functional part of Bitcointalk
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 3 for user hanbot has been recorded.
mircea_popescu: "and if thy functional part offends thee, cut it out!"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 42 @ 0.00471 = 0.1978 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: hello.
kakobrekla: so many messages.
mircea_popescu: high amount of phone messages ?
kakobrekla: <mircea_popescu> kakobrekla mebbe assbot should reply to help < "!help" works ??
mircea_popescu: !help
assbot: List of commands:
assbot: !up (desc: sending it via PM will voice you on chan given sufficient WOT rating)
assbot: !up <nick> (desc: sending it on chan will give <nick> voice for 30 minutes)
assbot: !ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !t}
assbot: !last <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns last price value, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !l}
assbot: !mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)
assbot: !rules <nick/chan> (desc: chan guidelines) {short: !r}
assbot: !exchanges <nick/chan> (desc: lists exchanges and brokers) {short: !e}
assbot: !jd (desc: returns relevant stats from https://just-dice.com)
assbot: !bash <lines> (desc: bashes last <lines> lines to bash) {short: !b}
assbot: !quote <lines> (desc: quotes last <lines> lines and returns dpaste url) {short: !q}
kakobrekla: <asciilifeform> kakobrekla: your apparatus is losing umlauts again. < hmm ??
mircea_popescu: shit.
ThickAsThieves: !exchanges
mircea_popescu: (desc: sending it via PM will voice you on chan given sufficient WOT rating) | (desc: sending it via PM will voice you on chan given you're identified with gribble and in assbot's L2 WoT)
mircea_popescu: ?
kakobrekla: <mike_c> kakobrekla feature request: it would be nice to have yes/no bets confirmed/weighted sum in the BB json. it can be calculated from the bets, so not high priority, but if you're bored :) < hm maybe but that is basic algebra, i try not to pass things that one can easily calc
mircea_popescu: not to pass things that one can easily calc << that's the correct design imo.
kakobrekla: <hanbot> ;;rate kakobrekla 1 A reliable bloke who rolls a good fag. < jurov must be jelly
kakobrekla: <asciilifeform> ;;later tell kakobrekla pcb folks? do they also pick'n'place, SMT? < afaik one of them still do, i can check.
mike_c: fair enough.
benkay: http://butt.holdings/
mircea_popescu: butt.butt
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17250 @ 0.00095778 = 16.5217 BTC [+] {3}
kakobrekla: <asciilifeform> kakobrekla: your apparatus is losing umlauts again. < ah, the "ü" thing. dunno, ill see what can i do about that.
BingoBoingo: http://gawker.com/notorious-troll-says-he-will-create-trolly-hedge-fund-c-1566707098
ozbot: Notorious Troll Says He Will Create Trolly Hedge Fund Called "TRO LLC"
BingoBoingo: Rabit replies in the comments
BingoBoingo: *rabite
kakobrekla: >> Andrew "Weev" Auernheimer, the infamous hacker and troll,
kakobrekla: who ??
mircea_popescu: the at&t guy
kakobrekla: ah
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 900 @ 0.14 = 126 BTC
mircea_popescu: http://37.media.tumblr.com/7f78eaba6f8c738f84f36ee55c260237/tumblr_mwxmio0Agj1spl2qwo1_r2_500.jpg
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4538 @ 0.00013015 = 0.5906 BTC [-] {7}
jborkl_: nice, very nice
jborkl_: Almost done integrating a blockexplorer to my site- just waiting on the blockchain to dl
mircea_popescu: what's it called ?
mircea_popescu: http://37.media.tumblr.com/8f90e02d75f0f25a5100e83b60ec2e63/tumblr_n2r3zaCgd01qewacoo1_500.jpg
mircea_popescu: moiety http://24.media.tumblr.com/dd2adf09ed083e47c37107345099885c/tumblr_mqm7n600fP1qb6t6wo1_400.gif
moiety: lololololol "dafuq?!"
jborkl_: it is going to be on bcoinnews.com for now I guess- I could always put it on btcrack.com
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if we get someone trustworthy doing mining at some point << the way i understand it, mining is -EV unless you own a semiconductor plant.
asciilifeform: or at least have a share in one
jborkl_: 99,999 blocks to go-
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.043999 = 0.176 BTC [+] {2}
ThickAsThieves: http://www.coindesk.com/xapo-launches-bitcoin-debit-card-accepted-at-all-mastercard-locations/
Naphex: ThickAsThieves: i think they just have a multi-account system, issue a mastercard, give USD, take BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.0742218 = 0.2969 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: http://24.media.tumblr.com/1f95eb0bc80f1dad9b6eeb0b02c2f516/tumblr_mzywjikI5j1qzfebyo1_500.jpg
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1700 @ 0.00095535 = 1.6241 BTC [-]
Naphex: "Casares explained that Xapo added the product due to demand from current customers who have wanted a way to spend the roughly 10% of their funds (on average) they keep in the company’s hot wallets. The remainder is stored securely in cold storage."
mircea_popescu: http://24.media.tumblr.com/05faecbf33aaf001d27edb312fafe63e/tumblr_n413uzJHKh1s2yegdo1_r1_400.gif
moiety: would probably get further with that lil dude than most customer services people mircea_popescu
Naphex: so.. customer stores btc, credit 10% of btc value to corporate issued mastercard, use spends it. hold the btc
Naphex: i think thats mostly it:o
mircea_popescu: ;;seen wences
gribble: wences was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 44 weeks, 5 days, 17 hours, 53 minutes, and 21 seconds ago: <wences> mircea, are you here?
Naphex: the roughly, and average chitchat, is if bitcoin values moves, you might have less then that 10% of the value on the card. until it readjusts
Naphex: nice move, doable. mastercard might have a field day though :D
mircea_popescu: ok this shit's too cute : http://31.media.tumblr.com/fc31e4ae9fa57a23c45ab56261b69f7f/tumblr_mjd0u9f3Fj1qd5hzfo2_500.jpg http://37.media.tumblr.com/58a4e0f2ecced5023e43e1056d6b6ee3/tumblr_mjd0u9f3Fj1qd5hzfo3_500.jpg http://24.media.tumblr.com/e2d8ad05821d4990523d453dd473b812/tumblr_mjd0u9f3Fj1qd5hzfo1_500.jpg
moiety: i just made an entirely unnatural noise, not gonna lie
mircea_popescu: you QUEEFED because of my tiny turtle pix ?
moiety: right into a jar (thinking ahead)
mircea_popescu: lmao
mircea_popescu: "i have the special QueefCaptu underwears! only 19'95 at selected retailers"
moiety: bahahaha "surprisingly comfortable too"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.00095626 = 3.06 BTC [+]
moiety: or 0.0561 BTC*
mircea_popescu: http://37.media.tumblr.com/42bd2627a419a203c58d37f3299a4a5e/tumblr_mzz5fo4agd1s199fdo1_400.gif
moiety: i wonder how long 1QUEEFS would take to generate....
mircea_popescu: 5 letters. not so bad.
moiety: aw i doubt i have any caps in the house to recreate that last one, damnit
BingoBoingo: If all caps is a must it will take longe rthough
moiety: 1Queefs?
moiety: i think allcaps looks better
fluffypony: it was on the 24th day of April
fluffypony: in the year of 2014
fluffypony: that mircea_popescu declared #bitcoin-assets become /r/awww
fluffypony: and thus it was
mircea_popescu: RAW!
moiety: queefs are aww?
moiety: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10152347282685874
mircea_popescu: did you know seals can get hickups ?
moiety: actually a video
mircea_popescu: http://37.media.tumblr.com/a3bbb07a4142b2e45314ee3446a28ab5/tumblr_n3tf9cll861qbwg0zo1_500.gif << proof.
moiety: jesus, pretty violent hiccups too!
ThickAsThieves: http://rt.com/politics/154056-russian-bloggers-mass-media/
Naphex: BingoBoingo: hey, if you have any suggestions, annoiances or any feedback regarding usage of btcxchange, shoot any time. :D
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2900 @ 0.00095535 = 2.7705 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: Naphex: I can't think of any atm
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: http://i.imgur.com/UtwRmkm.png
fluffypony: turtle approval is at an all time high
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1695 @ 0.00095535 = 1.6193 BTC [-]
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: http://gigaom.com/2014/04/24/a-debit-card-for-bitcoin-xapo-solves-the-payment-problem-with-mastercard-tie-in/
fluffypony: "This story was updated at 9:52am PT to reflect the fact that Xapo does not have a formal relationship with MasterCard, but only that it hopes to have one through a partner bank. This is contrary to earlier claims made by Xapo to Gigaom both in person and in writing that Xapo would issue a MasterCard-branded debit card. A MasterCard representative confirmed that it has no relationship with Xapo."
fluffypony: I don't have a submarine, but I hope to have one through a military contractor...I can haz press coverage nao?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.06968754 = 1.0453 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: they ate the swrawberry for a week afterwards
mircea_popescu: " but only that it hopes to have one through a partner bank"
mircea_popescu: so bitcoin.
ThickAsThieves: sigh
bounce: huh, there's actually a(t least one) shipyard in cuba
ThickAsThieves: that makes them like the 11th co to claim a btc credit card
ThickAsThieves: all bs
ThickAsThieves: so this DarkMarket thing
ThickAsThieves: can the gov make it illegal to run the app?
bounce: didn't germany already outlaw the likes of nmap?
ThickAsThieves: it seems each user is a host of the network
ThickAsThieves: A user downloads the DarkMarket software, which runs as a daemon in the background of the user’s operating system, allowing them to connect to the DarkMarket network through any browser. The DarkMarket daemon incorporates a library of commands for peer-to-peer networking known as ZeroMQ, which allows the user’s PC to become a node in a distributed network where every user can
ThickAsThieves: communicate directly with every other user.
ThickAsThieves: http://www.wired.com/2014/04/darkmarket/
ozbot: Inside the ‘DarkMarket’ Prototype, a Silk Road the FBI Can Never Seize | Threat Level | WIRED
bounce: zeromq is a p2p thing now?
fluffypony: I actually have a BTC debit card from the now defunct thebitcoincard.co.uk
fluffypony: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=213832.msg2705402#msg2705402
ozbot: First prepaid card to exchange Bitcoins
fluffypony: ended up just being a tc debit card
fluffypony: and you have to wade through a French website to activate it
fluffypony: and then you used to be able to buy overpriced BTC from thebitcoincard.co.uk and they'd load it on your card in fiat
fluffypony: so stupid
HeySteve: I see a reputation system as pretty critical to the success of something like dark markets
HeySteve: bitwasp too, where one can have ephemeral markets that come and go like a stream of soap bubble worlds
HeySteve: verifiable and community-rated identities across these markets is key to improving trade
HeySteve: it's all very well to dodge the federales, but not if it will likely land you in the clutches of scammers
ThickAsThieves: are you daying DarkMarket doesnt have such system?
ThickAsThieves: saying*
pankkake: fluffypony: oh god, it's our friend dotcoin/bitcoinbourse … https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=189119.0
HeySteve: ThickAsThieves: "At the moment, DarkMarket displays only a bare IP address for every user..."
ThickAsThieves: lol
HeySteve: there is linkage between nicks and public keys, but no mention of rating
fluffypony clicks
ThickAsThieves: i recall taaki's presentation including such
ThickAsThieves: or at least methods of conflict resolution
ThickAsThieves: if it is dark, wtf does show ip?
fluffypony: pankkake: LOL - I had no idea, no wonder their product was so shitty
HeySteve: ThickAsThieves, they haven't programmed that bit yet but they seem to expect someone will soon...
HeySteve: ThickAsThieves, you watched their presentation in Canada?
HeySteve: ah wait my mistake, they do say they have a rep system
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6500 @ 0.00095626 = 6.2157 BTC [+]
Naphex: incoming split?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10345 @ 0.00095663 = 9.8963 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: The DarkMarket daemon << is this just a rebranded tor bundle thing ?
mircea_popescu: onion or w/e it was called
mircea_popescu: !up France-bitcoin
assbot: Voicing France-bitcoin for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: France-bitcoin srsly ? what a name.
bounce: why such hate? france AND bitcoin. what's not to love?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06968754 = 0.1394 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1980 @ 0.00095843 = 1.8977 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2370 @ 0.00095875 = 2.2722 BTC [+]
punkman: The DarkMarket daemon << is this just a rebranded tor bundle thing ? << no it looks like a piece of shit implemented on top of 0mq, which didn't even do security for the first few major versions
France-bitcoin: mircea_popescu, a blog name...
mircea_popescu: punkman for the love of meh. why not just rebundle tor.
mircea_popescu: win-win wtf.
fluffypony: bounce: too many Frenchman in France, maybe that's his problem :-P
mircea_popescu: davout pankkake etc will be pleased to hear :D
France-bitcoin: yeah we know each other :)
France-bitcoin: i'm here because gribble does not integrate #bitcoin-fr mostly
France-bitcoin: we are working on that
mircea_popescu: o that's a thing ?
bounce: sheesh, even nickserv registered. such original nickname.
pankkake: France might end up with more tourists than French
punkman: mircea_popescu: they plan to add Tor but still, I don't think it's prudent to 0mq with random nodes
France-bitcoin: ah pankkake :)
fluffypony: pankkake: surely the French would never allow it!
mircea_popescu: punkman prolly not.
mircea_popescu: -BitBot- NB : le chan est loggé et les archives sont publiées à l'adresse suivante : http://bitcoin.powaaa.com/irc/
mircea_popescu: liek a supybot or what is it ?
fluffypony: "On international tests, American children rank 25th in math and 21st in science, despite the push for greater accountability through No Child Left Behind. What’s more, although America is falling behind in math, our kids are first in confidence. American students get terrible math scores compared to their international peers, but they think they’re great in math—in fact, they have more confidence in their math skills than students from
fluffypony: any other country."
fluffypony: http://www.education.com/magazine/article/waiting-superman-means-parents/
ozbot: "Waiting for Superman": What it Means for You and Your Child | Education.com
BingoBoingo: http://complex.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2014/03/17/bad_romance_france_s_17_billion_warship_deal_with_russia_gets_new_scrutiny
mircea_popescu: lol they actually managed to get charles de gaulle seaworthy ?
mircea_popescu: !up VictorM
assbot: Voicing VictorM for 30 minutes.
davout: !up VictorM
assbot: Voice for VictorM extended to 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: ha-ha!
davout: yea, i've been talking for a couple of minutes before realizing i didn't voice myself ><
davout: so i was saying
davout: France-bitcoin: gribble is on #bitcoin-fr what are you talking about
davout: also that my apartment got broken into this afternoon, probably some french people...
France-bitcoin: gribble is giving a list of chan to be on to proceed
bounce: damage?
France-bitcoin: you could have asked on pv :)
mircea_popescu: davout he means it's not on the auth list.
davout: France-bitcoin mircea_popescu ahh i see
mircea_popescu: cause nanotube wanted to keep some sort of tabs on what chans you can auth from, which is sensible.
France-bitcoin: should add ours
davout: bounce: negligible, most of the hassle is the broken window and the time lost with the police
davout: mircea_popescu: how is it sensible?
France-bitcoin: that would avoid this kind of "stuff"
davout: France-bitcoin: if you're doing business you should probably hang around the "authable" chans anyway
nanotube: davout: i just added #bitcoin-fr to auth list, by bad_duck's request. so... there.
mircea_popescu: davout for one, there's peeps trying to scamhunt, they gotta idle in all chans that allow authing
France-bitcoin: well the welcoming party here is nice :) I should think about that yeah :)
davout: nanotube: thanks!
mircea_popescu: cause while scammers usually id in pm, they still gotta be in chan
nanotube: davout: np. keep an eye out for scammers.
davout: nanotube: will do
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 56 @ 0.03299639 = 1.8478 BTC [+] {8}
davout: ;;rated nanotube
gribble: You have not yet rated user nanotube
France-bitcoin: we don't have any on our channel as far as i know...
nanotube: France-bitcoin: that's cool. we should all move there, then. :)
davout: ;;rate nanotube 1 kind sir
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user nanotube has been recorded.
nanotube: ;;rate davout 1 old timer
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user davout has been recorded.
France-bitcoin: stop rubbing each other guys :)
France-bitcoin: now i just got to debug some strange stuff with gribble privately and I will leave you alone
fluffypony: oooh la la
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0335 = 0.1005 BTC [+]
davout: France-bitcoin: publicly might be better if you're debugging gribble and if it's not too noisy :D
HeySteve: http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/author/sara-medina
HeySteve: good night all
bounce: isn't that what #gribble is for?
fluffypony: lol customers...ticket just got escalated to me: "I run the 8th largest magazine in the world" - maybe I should reply and ask them what they're doing buying GPU mining frames
France-bitcoin: well i did need to connect here (or another chan on the list...) then do it privately which is what i'm talking about
davout: bounce: you got a point
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.53137777 = 1.0628 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 134 @ 0.0075 = 1.005 BTC [+]
davout: the xapo story is interesting, wonder where it will go
davout: given that mastercard is pretty anti-bitcoin
fluffypony: davout: I met with one of the banks here last year August-ish about it
fluffypony: they have VISA and MasterCard prepaids
fluffypony: and they said that in general MC and VISA don't care what they issue
fluffypony: and that their auth systems on the back-end don't even have to be actual currency
davout: fluffypony: mastercard opposed bitinstant's card, and they also opposed ours when we wanted to issue one in partnership with aqoba
fluffypony: oic
fluffypony: couldn't you have gone with a VISA partner?
bounce: except they might at the drop of a hat decide that they don't like where some of their users send their money and stop doing it
davout: so, as soon as they actually hear about it they'll fuck the deal up
davout: fluffypony: the psp we were working with was working with mastercard, custom cards are mostly mastercard's thing, not really visa's
davout: but in theory there's nothing that prevents visa from doing it
davout: i'm off, stomachs don't just fill themselves
fluffypony: have fun - buon appetit
davout: !up France-bitcoin
assbot: Voicing France-bitcoin for 30 minutes.
davout: fluffypony: merci!
France-bitcoin: thx davout, still taking care of the kids and the gribble thing is not finished yet...
kakobrekla: davout what is the story with xapo?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3750 @ 0.00095875 = 3.5953 BTC [+]
davout: kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-04-2014#640741
kakobrekla: the log pft. ill remove it just so i dont have to read it.
fluffypony: kakobrekla: the GigaOm article is better because it contains an embarrassing update
fluffypony: http://gigaom.com/2014/04/24/a-debit-card-for-bitcoin-xapo-solves-the-payment-problem-with-mastercard-tie-in/
ozbot: Updated: A debit card for bitcoin: Xapo could solve the payment problem with help from banks —
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 98 @ 0.0335 = 3.283 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: they use bitstamp, fucking great.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 58 @ 0.0742218 = 4.3049 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] [PAID] 3.51308395 BTC to 13`595 shares, 25841 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 58 @ 0.0335 = 1.943 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 26 @ 0.0742218 = 1.9298 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 19 @ 0.0335 = 0.6365 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: re: darkmarket: anything vaguely approaching this is (at least by thinking people) regarded as 'guilty until proven innocent' of honeypot
asciilifeform: and ought to be designed accordingly
ThickAsThieves: alrighty here's the tat blog http://devilsadvocate.biz/flirting-with-s-mpif/
asciilifeform: unfortunately, 'designed accordingly' consists, imho, entirely of the weirdo heresy that only i seem to believe in.
ThickAsThieves: i'll surely be tweaking the style and widgets etc
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00095875 = 0.9588 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: surprised that you haven't taken the offer yet - it sounds like fun.
ThickAsThieves: it's not a matter of lack of interest
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5455 @ 0.00095535 = 5.2114 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: the devils advocate?
kakobrekla: is this a new blog of yours?
kakobrekla: i gotta give it to you, you pick some strange names
kakobrekla: 'thieves', 'devil', ... are dem cute pirates coming too? :)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 145 @ 0.06800759 = 9.8611 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 9 @ 0.0742218 = 0.668 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: I feel special, ThickAsThieves gets no insight into my operations othe than what I might publically disclose.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5395 @ 0.00095481 = 5.1512 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 105 @ 0.00095875 = 0.1007 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 122 @ 0.00762908 = 0.9307 BTC [+] {5}
kakobrekla: ascii, dunno if you got my
kakobrekla: pm, if im not on your whilelist i can paste here
kakobrekla: whitelist*
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: got it
kakobrekla: kk
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: no pricing info on site, unfortunately
kakobrekla: its not customary for such ops to do that here.
kakobrekla: you send in what you want and they spit out the number.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: atm i'm looking for folks with reasonably cheap pcb stuffing for obscenely small quantities (<50)
asciilifeform: this may or may not exist.
kakobrekla: they do small runs
asciilifeform: in that industry, 'small' typically means less than 10,000
ThickAsThieves: [16:09] <+kakobrekla> the devils advocate? /// one of my fav movies, also a term many people have used on me, also what i feel the essence of blogging is
ThickAsThieves: taking the other side
kakobrekla: they even offer submitting it to the bucket and they print when they have one full board used
kakobrekla: that is used for small diyers
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: for pcb fab only (where such is typical) or smt placement?
kakobrekla: pcb fab only
asciilifeform: i'm pretty happy with my current supplier for those
asciilifeform: doubt that anyone can beat the chinese slavefarms for pcb
kakobrekla: i wasnt saying that
kakobrekla: just saying its not an issue to get it done
kakobrekla: even doing placement on a small run
kakobrekla: not 10k
asciilifeform: for pcb, my current supplier gives me, believe or not, 3 day turnaround, incl. airplane from cn to us
kakobrekla: but 100 boards
asciilifeform: ok that sounds promising
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: you know the owner personally?
kakobrekla: not the owner, a guy who works at the second link i gave you
asciilifeform: aha
kakobrekla: he might be co owner not sure
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: I expected you as more of a Devil Wears Prada kinda guy :-P
kakobrekla: but whatever-
ThickAsThieves: not sure what that means, am i the bitch or the bitch?
ThickAsThieves: :)
ThickAsThieves: not sure if youve any interest, or whether it's a good idea, but i'd be happy to try and connect you to Friedcat at ASICMINER if you think he might have any connections of interest re pcb or components
mike_c: did everyone get home from the conference and start mining atc? nethash is booming.
asciilifeform: ;;gettrust Friedcat
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user asciilifeform to user Friedcat: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=asciilifeform&dest=Friedcat | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Friedcat | Rated since: never
ThickAsThieves: friedcat himself isnt exactly reliable, but he might have resources
Naphex: ;;ident
gribble: Nick 'Naphex', with hostmask 'Naphex!~naphex@btcxchange.ro', is identified as user 'Naphex', with GPG key id 64CDBADCE1E0BBAF, key fingerprint F3D76A985F5844814A93F46364CDBADCE1E0BBAF, and bitcoin address 12mVDqdWqFY6zrCqNqgHbxhDPB4ZVUuaTu
ThickAsThieves: i aint mining teh ATCs!
asciilifeform: when a fellow isn't reliable, hard to be sure how much because of his own head and how much because he relies on muppets.
Naphex: what is atc?
fluffypony: Naphex: teh only altcoin
ThickAsThieves: www.therealaltcoin.org
fluffypony: https://cryptocointalk.com/topic/4081-altcoin-atc-information/
Naphex: sorry, don't follow alts
ThickAsThieves: thats the point!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 250 @ 0.00762649 = 1.9066 BTC [-] {7}
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: are asicminer still planning on manufacturing to sell to miners, or are they now all in-house mining only? I haven't kept tabs in ages
ThickAsThieves: i havent either
ThickAsThieves: but they just posted a big update this week
ThickAsThieves: jutarul posted it
ThickAsThieves: if ter interested
ThickAsThieves: yer
fluffypony: ok will checksie
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.0009539 = 9.7298 BTC [-] {2}
fluffypony: find ./ -type f -name '*.py' | xargs sed -i '' 's/http:\/\//https:\/\//g'
fluffypony: wrong button
asciilifeform: given what i know about the miner builders, i'm not certain i'd want to purchase so much as shoelaces from anyone associated
asciilifeform: but i could be convinced otherwise, given new data
ThickAsThieves: yeah i wouldnt force it
ThickAsThieves: more like a, ifyerinapinch kinda thing
asciilifeform: no pinch
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06961251 = 0.1392 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: just keeping options open
bounce: apparently blockchain removed the fix api announcement?
asciilifeform: my main purpose in asking here is to sound out the possibility that someone knows such an operator in person, and can vouch for him.
Naphex: ;;seen tcatm
gribble: I have not seen tcatm.
fluffypony: asciilifeform: I can you put you in touch with the Italians that are doing stuff for us, I know the owner well and can vouch for him, and they routinely work with small quantities
asciilifeform: fluffypony: if it's no secret, what did you do with them?
fluffypony: asciilifeform: no secret at all - we have a design for a remote power on/power off system for mining rigs that we're busy finalising with them
fluffypony: lemme pastebin it out the proposal
fluffypony: asciilifeform: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=zimEPURt
fluffypony: that's what they've designed with us and are busy prototyping atm
asciilifeform: fluffypony: care to say approximate cost of the prototype run?
fluffypony: lemme grab my notes and I'll tell you
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00095561 = 3.8224 BTC [+]
fluffypony: "For the initial batch we can use manual soldered components, so, we can avoid to have the master piece plate for SMD components to buy, and move to SMD only if production batches will go over 1000 pieces."
fluffypony: "easy also to prototipe, so i expect to have a "few prototipes" costs between 15/20$ each, and a production price no more than 10/12$ each for low batches ( ~ 100 pieces )"
fluffypony: (that was for the board that goes into the BeagleBone for the master unit)
midnightmagic: ooOoo
fluffypony: "For the slaves, i was thinking about using a pic18f67j60, it is an 8 bit MCU with an ethernet mac/phy embedded, and it is very powerfull. the same circuit we have for the expansion board with this MCU and a magnetic rj45 connector will cost the same for prototipes and no more than 15$ each in production for low batches."
kakobrekla: you are 2 years late with this shit
asciilifeform: nobody's manually soldering a tqfp-64.
asciilifeform: (not that it can't be done, but nobody on the planet will do it for $20.)
fluffypony: asciilifeform: have you seen this - http://elm-chan.org/docs/wire/wiring_e.html
fluffypony: :-P
asciilifeform: sure.
mike_c: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJAByNlfkyE
asciilifeform: once again, virtually anything can be done under a good microscope, with steady hands
fluffypony: anyway, I can get him to hop on here and you can have a chat to him and see
asciilifeform: it's simply that it's a bitch
asciilifeform: fluffypony: sure, let's, i appreciate the effort
fluffypony: oh he's on freenode already
fluffypony: [22:59:59] nextime signed on at 21 April 2014 at 10:35:57 PM SAST and has been idle for 39 minutes, 43 seconds
fluffypony: I've pinged him
mike_c: that video is impressive (to me). i couldn't do that.
fluffypony: mike_c: I don't have the steady hands
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0695839 = 0.2088 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: mike_c: http://www.loper-os.org/wp-content/laser/new.png
asciilifeform: mike_c: hand. messy. but worked
asciilifeform: this isn't how it's normally done, though, one applies paste and reflows.
mike_c: his does look a little neater :) but results are what counts.
asciilifeform: ('paste' is a substance with roughly the appearance and consistency of toothpaste, with small solder globules suspended.)
Naphex: gn o/
fluffypony: night Naphex
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell heysteve https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/459438537163538432 cuz i gotta do all the work around here
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mircea_popescu: <davout> fluffypony: mastercard opposed bitinstant's card, and they also opposed ours when we wanted to issue one in partnership with aqoba << or that's what auoba told you, anyway.
mircea_popescu: !up Sorcier_FXK
assbot: Voicing Sorcier_FXK for 30 minutes.
davout: mircea_popescu: how would it make any sense for aqoba to take us as client and somehow make up some lie about mastercard being anti-bitcoin?
Sorcier_FXK: thx
davout: the guys made money from custom debit cards
mircea_popescu: ((testing footnotes plugin!)) << fail
ThickAsThieves: i left it in just for you
mircea_popescu: davout you ever were a client of anyone else before ?
davout: please, do explain your reasoning
fluffypony: http://www.sunnyskyz.com/uploads/2014/01/xty1s-phteven-funny.jpg
mircea_popescu: mike_c> did everyone get home from the conference and start mining atc? nethash is booming. << what's it yet ?
mike_c: next diff change suggest 2 THs
mircea_popescu: o.O
mircea_popescu: <bounce> apparently blockchain removed the fix api announcement? << yeah lol. this is "pr" according to teh vc circus.
mircea_popescu: davout suppose your isp decides not to put optic fiber in your neighbourhood becauise you're all faggot gypos there and they don't like you.
mircea_popescu: sop you call support and are explained that well... they can't put fiber there because they can't push the light uphill.
mircea_popescu: all good.
mircea_popescu: what your provider claim, on its own, is not worth two shits.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.06955678 = 0.2087 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: over here, this traditional reply usually comes with a five, six (usd) figure quote for running the fiber. (add insult to injury)
mircea_popescu: anyway, if Me llamo Sara y me apasiona la tecnología shows up, voice her and treat her nice. ima go fuck around.
davout: mircea_popescu: suppose it'd make actual economical sense to pull the fibre up to where you live, and suppose also that the whole business model of your internet provider is putting fibre in shitty neighborhoods because that's what they do
fluffypony: !up nextime
assbot: Voicing nextime for 30 minutes.
fluffypony: asciilifeform, meet nextime
fluffypony: nextime meet asciilifeform
nextime: hi all
nextime is reading about cardano
thestringpuller: ;;gettrust nextime
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user nextime: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=thestringpuller&dest=nextime | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=nextime | Rated since: never
thestringpuller: lol
nextime: yeah! \o/ i'm virgin :D
asciilifeform: !up nextime
assbot: Voicing nextime for 30 minutes.
nextime: asciilifeform can we talk here in public or you prefer in query?
asciilifeform: nextime: only here.
nextime: asciilifeform : ok, as you prefer
asciilifeform: nextime: what would you like to know?
asciilifeform: nextime: do take the trouble to read the published material first.
fluffypony: asciilifeform: this is the guy re: the PCB stuffing
fluffypony: sorry should've clarified that
asciilifeform: fluffypony, nextime - ok
nextime: asciilifeform : fluffypony say me you are searching for pcb builder that is low cost, right?
asciilifeform: nextime: there is already a source for the pcb per se; but i'm shopping around for assemblers.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.06953299 = 0.2781 BTC [-] {3}
asciilifeform: nextime: kitted or turnkey build, either, works
nextime: ok, great, my company basically do low batches production and prototypes, and then we do assembly for bigger batches ( and for bigger batches as usual we just build pcb with an external fab )
asciilifeform: nextime: i should probably specify that pcb is to be sent in (we already have a good working relationship with a pcb maker)
nextime: asciilifeform : not an issue at all
nextime: asciilifeform : so, maybe you can just drop me an email with specifications and part list, so i can give you a quotation for assembly both in turnkey and kitted?
asciilifeform: nextime: let's try this. approx. quote for ~200 smt part count, smallest = 0805, one side.
asciilifeform: nextime: 50 units.
asciilifeform: nextime: kitted (we mail in parts and pcb)
asciilifeform: i'd like a ballpark figure, incl. NRE.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7900 @ 0.00095456 = 7.541 BTC [-]
nextime: asciilifeform : how many unique parts?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1712 @ 0.00007514 = 0.1286 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: nextime: ~40.
nextime: on 50 pieces we are ~ at 20$ each
asciilifeform: no tooling fee?
asciilifeform: and what would be the turnaround time?
nextime: for 20$ in a week, tooling fee if we will have a continued relationship isn't an issue
asciilifeform: nextime: if we will have a continued relationship << this can't really be promised until the fee is paid and results delivered, can it.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 794 @ 0.0001296 = 0.1029 BTC [-]
nextime: asciilifeform : of course, but i can bet on my quality :) really, tooling isn't a real cost for us, many assembly company charge tooling cause they wan't to have low batches, we live with low batches
nextime: :)
asciilifeform: nextime: i'd really appreciate a ballpark estimate.
nextime: asciilifeform : for tooling? as i say, nothing. We usually choose to absorb this cost hoping to get fidelity, as is a little cost in real.
asciilifeform: ok now we're cooking.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06954 = 0.1391 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: unit has through-hole parts. how are these handled?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06981505 = 0.3491 BTC [+] {2}
nextime: for through-hole parts we work by hands actually ( we are a small company as i say )
asciilifeform: ok
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8453 @ 0.00095537 = 8.0757 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 55 @ 0.00452378 = 0.2488 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 24 @ 0.00838979 = 0.2014 BTC [+] {6}
asciilifeform: nextime: what do you require for a kitted build (e.g. minimal tape lengths for smt parts, what format for the pick'n'placer)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 12 @ 0.009 = 0.108 BTC [+] {2}
nextime: asciilifeform : if you give me an email i will send you as soon as tomorrow ( is holyday tomorrow in italy, but i'm a stakanovist and i will be in laboratory ) i will send you a pdf with all specifications of our requirements
nextime: ( sorry for the delay in my answers, i'm doing some multitasking things with my childs at home actually )
jborkl_: ma che vuoi?
jborkl_: only Italian I know
nextime: rotfl
nextime: jborkl_ : a little bit better than my english :)
jborkl_: I have a Swiss friend here who teaches me a little time to time
fluffypony: !up nextime
assbot: Voicing nextime for 30 minutes.
nextime: jborkl_ : so, let me say that in italy we usually say "che cazzo vuoi?" instead of "ma che vuoi?", a little bit more rude, but more common
jborkl_: ma che stai diciendo
nextime: "dicendo"
asciilifeform: nextime: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ea.png
jborkl_: oops
asciilifeform: nextime: please use pgp (my wot key)
nextime: asciilifeform: ok, i will
asciilifeform: nextime: thx
jborkl_: I will make sure to use that on him :) thx
nextime: jborkl_: so, let's get more rude again: use "che cazzo dici?" instead of "ma che stai dicendo?"
nextime: :D
jborkl_: excellent
jborkl_: we went and saw motogp and he was yelling when Rossi got cut off in Italin- pretty funny to ear
jborkl_: hear
nextime: lol, i can imagine what you mean :) Italian speakers on motogp and motor sports in general are... uhmmm... "funny"? :)
jborkl_: I can't understand anything, but you know when they are pissed off
nextime: ok, anyway, i must go back to my daddy role now, asciilifeform i will send you infos tomorrow ( as italy time ) after lunch when i will be in my laboratory
nextime: ciao!
ThickAsThieves: What was the website for SatoshiJack again?
ThickAsThieves: he told me ATC is working now
ThickAsThieves: but went away
ThickAsThieves: before i could respond
fluffypony: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/EU_RUSSIA_PUTIN_INTERNET?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
fluffypony: "President Vladimir Putin on Thursday called the Internet a CIA project"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6750 @ 0.00095959 = 6.4772 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.06809901 = 0.5448 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: ;;rate hanbot 2 Every rose has its thorn
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kakobrekla: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583258.0
mircea_popescu: stakanovist hahaha
mircea_popescu: ;;rate nextime 1 is a stahanovist!
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mircea_popescu: ;;later tell nextime get in the wot eh.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony srsly dood, get teh noobs to wot.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: I will :)
BingoBoingo: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/04/24/my-role-in-s-mpif/
fluffypony: kakobrekla: that's actually quite interesting
kakobrekla: is it? i havent followed the link
fluffypony: they've been around for a year or so
fluffypony: and it's not free to list
fluffypony: let me see if I can find an article
fluffypony: here: http://www.wamda.com/2013/06/a-global-startup-stock-exchange-platform-just-launched-is-it-a-good-bet-for-arab-startups
mircea_popescu: <jborkl_> only Italian I know << what, no rottinculo, no disgraziati, no nothing ?
fluffypony: costs about $5 500 for a company to list
fluffypony: and there are several stages including due dilligence
fluffypony: I'm not sure if them adding Bitcoin as a funding option will draw much interest from the BTC community tho
kakobrekla: ah they do fiat scams instead?
moiety: i just did this stupid quiz thing and i kid you not http://i.imgur.com/yqI6Qr2.png
fluffypony: kakobrekla: spot on
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves satoshijack.com no ?
mircea_popescu: "I wanted to share this new exciting news with you all. The Startup Stock Exchange (SSX) is now the first investment platform through which Bitcoins can be used to invest in companies!"
mircea_popescu: brilliant. he forgot biggest
kakobrekla: and best.
fluffypony: and AMAZING!
fluffypony: awwww :(
fluffypony: assbot: amazing?
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
mircea_popescu: moiety want a pea ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, when i see all these exciting news "we" teams, all i can think is
mircea_popescu: http://24.media.tumblr.com/a842f850681fd26dd0d873c9053a2c3a/tumblr_n3snyhqT6y1qdlh1io1_400.gif
moiety: a pea?
mircea_popescu: well what do tiny turles eat
BingoBoingo: Pizza?
kakobrekla: this one is quite awsum too
kakobrekla: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583262.0
kakobrekla: still fresh
moiety: amd strawberries!
moiety: and*
mircea_popescu: kako lemme show you a magic :
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointa.lk/index.php?topic=583262.0
mircea_popescu: "Why is your opportunity unique?
mircea_popescu: The UK is the world's 6th largest economy, but so far they have no bitcoin exchange."
mircea_popescu: fuckwit.
kakobrekla: the readability of the .ly is worse :\
mircea_popescu: so far we can't be bothered to do our research
Apocalyptic: wasn't nefario's exchange in UK ?
mircea_popescu: exactamundo
mircea_popescu: phantomcircuit aka strateman aka bitcoin consultancy, intersangro etc
Apocalyptic: wait, how is phantomcircuit involved in this ?
mircea_popescu: who do you think wrote that famed script that emailed the entire userbase the emails of the entire userbase ?
mircea_popescu: and where was this happening ?
mircea_popescu: phantomcircuit did it, on the previous first best & largest uk exchange.
mircea_popescu: cca 2011
fluffypony: kakobrekla: "The remainder will be kept in reserves to pay for monthly costs, such as the data center." - they have an entire data center to pay for, yo
Apocalyptic: I see
kakobrekla: i also love this part:
kakobrekla: >What about the casino?
kakobrekla: Multibet.io is a work in progress, but is another source of income for our company. You will also receive profits from this.
kakobrekla: --
fluffypony: of cors
mircea_popescu: why is .io so popular with bitcoin scams & retarded noobs ?
mircea_popescu: do they allow anon regs or some shit ?
Apocalyptic: kako, reads to me like we'll be doing all sorts of shits, because another income
kakobrekla: its short and still free
kakobrekla: free as in not taken, not not costing any $
asciilifeform: occurred to me that you can usually tell at a glance which people experience a twinge of physical pain when spending someone else's money, and which ones don't.
asciilifeform: 'gotta pay for... data center'
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo "And that's pretty much the thing in a nutshell." "Generally..." "Basically..." dude you sound moonstruck.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Maybe that is the public impression I want to deliver. I mean I let herbi think I was a bot for a good while.
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: maybe it is.
mircea_popescu: poor herbi, he had a good idea but not so good carry through
mircea_popescu: mebbe next time.
kakobrekla: Apocalyptic what do you mean 'we' ?
Apocalyptic: kako, the "we" of their post obviously
mircea_popescu: overheard in my room "I broke my lip on your cock!"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: better than the other way around.
kakobrekla: ah ok then, i thought i signed something that was not aware of for a sec
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'Мы Америку догнали. По надоям молока, А по мясу мы отстали: Хуй сломался у быка.'
mircea_popescu: lol
asciilifeform: (hruschev era. naturally)
mircea_popescu: "And a couple days later I became MP's ATC trader."
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo dude, at the time you were atc trading already for a day or two
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1445 @ 0.00095722 = 1.3832 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: At the time I battled herbi I was trading my own ATC
mircea_popescu: usure ?
BingoBoingo: Fairly sure. Herbi was trading your ATC.
BingoBoingo: Then he lost it.
mircea_popescu: nah he never got atc from me.
BingoBoingo: Oh.
BingoBoingo: Well, the herbi stuff was over the 13th and 14th. It wasn't until later I became your trader (but not much later)
asciilifeform: 'when it comes to milk, we're even with america, at last; as for meat, they're still the leader - our bull broke his cock, alas.'
asciilifeform: (translation mine)
mircea_popescu: Feb 14 03:12:12 the herbi argument you quote | Feb 15 10:41:31 <mircea_popescu>pankkake pls to pay to BingoBoingo 100k atc, let's see what he can do.
mircea_popescu: so right you are.
mircea_popescu: "we caught up with the us on milk ; we're behind on meat, our bull's cock [is] broke"
asciilifeform: well sure, but i like rhyming transl.
asciilifeform: you lot are free to volunteer better one.
mircea_popescu: you call at last / alas a rhyme ?
asciilifeform: bah.
asciilifeform: to criticise is to volunteer.
mircea_popescu: i wouldn't even have noticed it's trying to be had you not said so :D
asciilifeform: lol
artifexd: Regarding SatoshiJack, https://cryptocointalk.com/topic/8980-multi-crypto-multiplayer-blackjack-html5/ says that the site is http://satoshijack.com/ or http://just-blackjack.com/
artifexd: Both of which are currently down.
asciilifeform: let's try this one
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell satoshijack sites down ?
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asciilifeform: 'Полюбила я Хрущева, / Вышла замуж за него. / Оказалось, вместо хуя / Кукуруза у него.'
mircea_popescu: ahahaha него ftw.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6932 @ 0.00095444 = 6.6162 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: i fell for hruschev and married him / turned out his cock was a cobb
asciilifeform: aye, but anybody can do that.
mircea_popescu: pfff
asciilifeform: incidentally, this art form is curiously absent in the anglo world.
mircea_popescu: kukuruza, btw, is almost as lulzy as lenina
asciilifeform: where's the obama version.
mircea_popescu: There was once a great storm / Which moved the White House to the desert of Sahara
mircea_popescu: A bedouin lost in the desert stumbled on the lawn / Obama assured him that if he likes his water,
mircea_popescu: He can have his water.
asciilifeform: lel
mircea_popescu: want the kicker ?
mircea_popescu: "but it doesn't rhyme" "white rhyme, suka"
asciilifeform: lolz
asciilifeform: just had the thought, nobody else in this ch. likes languages ?
phf: fell in love with mr. krushchev / but the marrige was a flop / on our wedding night discovered / that his penis was a cobb
asciilifeform claps
mircea_popescu: phf hey pretty good
phf: that's preserving the original derevensky rhythm :)
ThickAsThieves: what's a cobb?
mircea_popescu: o btw, to note down the 2nd kicker in my thing, for they who do not speak russki :
mircea_popescu: suka does not stand for sucker, but for bitch.
mircea_popescu: ;;google corn cobb
gribble: Corncob - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corncob>; Corn on the cob - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corn_on_the_cob>; How To Boil Corn On The Cob - What's Cooking America: <http://whatscookingamerica.net/Vegetables/BoilingCorn.htm>
asciilifeform: thought everybody knew that at this point
ThickAsThieves: well i assumed corn cob
ThickAsThieves: but wasnt sure
ThickAsThieves: cuz two b's
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no but the symmetry see ? white/white for liberals/normal ppl, mirrored in the suka/suka for english/russian
mircea_popescu: also! what's seven days without a pun make one ?
ThickAsThieves: weak
mircea_popescu: hehe
mircea_popescu: seven days w/o a pun make one week
mircea_popescu: #bitcoin-assets-and-language-abuse
ThickAsThieves: already have my first wordpress problem... fml
ThickAsThieves: comment isnt showing after being approved
ThickAsThieves: does he need to confirm his account or sumth?
asciilifeform: 'Нам хотели запретить / По этой улице ходить. / Стены каменны пробьем - / По этой улице пройдем. / А вы, запретители, / хуя не хотите ли?'
asciilifeform: (re: bans on btc, etc)
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves the one on the recent comments ?
mircea_popescu: maybe you're set not to display trackbacksa
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that makes no sense.
ThickAsThieves: ah it may be a trackback, not a regular comment
mircea_popescu: so built a wall along street to restrict walking...
asciilifeform: nah
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: Prolly a trackback from my post
asciilifeform: loosely: 'they a ban for us decreed / for to keep us from this street / we shall move aside stone blocks / on this street we'll take our walks'
ThickAsThieves: yep
mircea_popescu: "This suggests focusing on robustness, as opposed to prediction, because the system works against rational expectations, especially those consensus ideas that come out of large bureaucracies. After all, what better sufficient statistic for a mimic to exploit than some well-known regulatory bullet point that supposedly ensures trivial risk? Recessions are not going away; they are endogenous because zero mimicry is not a
mircea_popescu: n equilibrium among insects, reptiles, or humans. Expect more unexpected recessions, just not real soon, and not in subprime housing."
asciilifeform: last stanza exercise for alert reader
ThickAsThieves: i'm a noob i guess
mircea_popescu: this fucking article explains both why ycombinator is such a shitpile
mircea_popescu: and why the majority of "actors" in "business" hate my and my model
mircea_popescu: i'm exactly the opposite of a bureaucracy, fucking impredictible by design
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: See, before the quoted interaction with herbi there would have been zero or less reason to propose I be your altcoin trader, whereas herbi had been pimping his 1337 quant skills and fx hobby.
mircea_popescu: i see.
thestringpuller: damn dark souls II is out...
thestringpuller: i haven't even beaten dark souls yet
thestringpuller: da fuq did the time go?
ThickAsThieves: to GTA?
thestringpuller: dark souls came out in 2011
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.52312269 = 3.6619 BTC [-] {5}
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Up to then there had never really been any solid indication of this chan that I might have some potential for trading prowess, at least not until I took herbi's house, car, wife, and dingo
BingoBoingo: Making two profits in the process
ThickAsThieves: such modesty and grace
mircea_popescu: lol yeah. poor dingo.
BingoBoingo: herbi at the time lsot what was all of his declared BTC
BingoBoingo: One of my favorite parts of the thing was the spread ran roughly from 400 satoshis to 100 satoshis, and he though settling around 100 satoshis would be a bad thing. Low and behold since x-bt opened 100-200 satoshis has been the norm.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo it wasn't ever a very high amt or anything.
BingoBoingo: No it wasn't
BingoBoingo: But at million dollar BTC, that's a new Dodge challenger with racing stripes he lost.
thestringpuller: ;;later tell mod6 young jeezy july 12th Detroit...
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: notrly.
mircea_popescu: that'd be the case if there existed no spot. as it is, he lost 50 bux or w/e the spot was
BingoBoingo: Sure. But if we value the BTC on the benkay principle that it is never worth parting with, it holds. Now with the sinking Patrick Harnet only cost 500 BTC or $2500, sure. This continutes to the mysticism surrounding BTC prices.
BingoBoingo: At the time herbi mess up there still kind of was a reliable-ish spot.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9155 @ 0.0009568 = 8.7595 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4095 @ 0.00095788 = 3.9225 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.52109887 BTC [-]
phf: asciilifeform: they wanted to forbid / walking down this street. / we'll smash the concrete walls / we'll march down the block / you, forbaders, / suck a cock!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 110 @ 0.00470994 = 0.5181 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.51780273 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 109 @ 0.00471 = 0.5134 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/economic-cycles-finally-explained/
ThickAsThieves: "really have the intellectual ability to indentify"
ThickAsThieves: nevermind
ThickAsThieves: no
ThickAsThieves: its wrong
ThickAsThieves: hehe
mike_c: trilema feature request: why do i have to go to secret page to login? having the cookie form on the 'fee' page would be nice.
mircea_popescu: mike_c aite.
mike_c: i'm trying to make more friends today by nitpicking everyone's work.
mircea_popescu: what, you do this with others, too ?
mircea_popescu: I THOUGHT WE HAD SOMETHING SPECIAL
mike_c: i tried on kako before.
mike_c: he told me to piss off
mircea_popescu: kako is not user friendly like i am
kakobrekla: :\
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves what's wrong ?
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla is plenty user friendly. He just isn't luser friendly.
BingoBoingo: Like the Cardano.
mircea_popescu: slander.
ThickAsThieves: indentify
ThickAsThieves: unless you are making up words
BingoBoingo: Well, of course kakobrekla manufacters the best slander. It works so good it makes itself right.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13004 @ 0.00095193 = 12.3789 BTC [-] {5}
BingoBoingo: !t h cog
assbot: [HAVELOCK:COG] 1D: 0.00497602 / 0.00763533 / 0.01098941 (455 shares, 3.47407316 BTC), 7D: 0.00413010 / 0.00731819 / 0.01098941 (1171 shares, 8.56960097 BTC), 30D: 0.00030000 / 0.01165576 / 0.08800000 (3024 shares, 35.24702191 BTC)
ThickAsThieves: mp did you see preston's retort? it's like a text version of the baby-with-mirror gif http://prestonbyrne.com/2014/04/21/that-didnt-take-long/
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06835246 = 0.3418 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: TLDR = No u!
kakobrekla: bb dude have you read that thread, jesus fuck.
ThickAsThieves: the preston dude is offensively oblivious
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves no, is it any good ?
mircea_popescu: mike_c you now get a link off "cookie". good enuff ?
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: The part where they finally liquidate after a bunch of "no u" back and forth between Gar and Goat
mike_c: ah, yes. good enuff.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves heh wd.
kakobrekla: im not even sure what they are doing
kakobrekla: its like monthy python on drugs
kakobrekla: and real.
assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1795538/plain/)
mircea_popescu: !b 3
mircea_popescu: the stones from the earth have spoken through the kako
mircea_popescu: bashed 102 quotes with 4440 votes < this is like.. not bad is it.
kakobrekla: srs, look at this, must be preserved;
kakobrekla: --
kakobrekla: Quote from: Garr255 on April 21, 2014, 10:30:18 PM
kakobrekla: Cognitive Mining LLC is no longer liable for any past or present action or involved in the management of this project in any way. It is fully within the rights of Cognitive Mining LLC to find a new operator and resign.
kakobrekla: --
kakobrekla: what is this even
BingoBoingo: No one knows except the people who shouldn't
mircea_popescu: it looks like they're announcing a new bitcoin credit card
mircea_popescu: imo
kakobrekla: lol
artifexd: ;;rate hanbot 1 vital part of my education
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user hanbot has been recorded.
ThickAsThieves: yknow this auth shit frustrates when paired with a crash
Duffer1: a ~20min grace would be nice
Duffer1: if possible
BingoBoingo: It already has a 2-3 minute grace
BingoBoingo: http://ricks.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2014/04/18/the_future_of_war_25_you_better_be_ready_to_fight_like_its_a_pre_electronic_age
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5408 @ 0.0009501 = 5.1381 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10298 @ 0.00094989 = 9.782 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: jurov: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=579498.0
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06963114 = 0.6963 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12050 @ 0.00094851 = 11.4295 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: http://prestonbyrne.com/2014/04/23/bitcoin-needs-a-new-logo/
mircea_popescu: !up vcorem
assbot: Voicing vcorem for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: Preston has so much derp http://prestonbyrne.com/2014/04/22/the-ballad-of-doug-the-dao-part-1-time-to-stop-thinking-like-an-engineer/
mircea_popescu: "The U.S. Air Force, for example, no longer trains navigators in celestial sightings,"
mircea_popescu: holy shit.
BingoBoingo: Yeah, but... sounds right based of whisperings.
BingoBoingo: The ground pounders seem to still be getting well versed in the arts of map and compass, but for the rest...
mircea_popescu: this reads to me like "the us cook force no longer trains sauce chefs in flour-and-oil saucing"
BingoBoingo: Then there's the accident by which a fuel tanker and crew were lost because control systems failed. The crew was done in though by a lack of parachutes which had been recently removed.
mircea_popescu: well what the fuck then
mike_c: this preston jackass strikes me as a rebirth of dr foreskin. not worth even getting riled up over, and yet he manages to get under my skin with his herp derp.
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 496.2, Best ask: 496.41, Bid-ask spread: 0.21000, Last trade: 496.41, 24 hour volume: 8131.92029418, 24 hour low: 480.0, 24 hour high: 505.0, 24 hour vwap: 490.566399614
mircea_popescu: mike_c do you like zappa ?
mike_c: i don't really know him
BingoBoingo: Well the US defense posture goes back to the comments here where the challenges of an actual invasion of the US are discussed in terms of some areas having too many hillbillies to hold for an invader http://trilema.com/2014/most-wrong-and-absolutely-wrongest/
mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZHa0_W8PD8 that's the song.
mircea_popescu: ow fuck. no, wrong one. this is it : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQQOhwL7nkM
mike_c: i was getting into disco boy :) i like it.
mircea_popescu: Don't know much about dancin' that's why I got this song
mircea_popescu: One of my legs is shorter than the other 'n both my feet's too long
mircea_popescu: 'Course now right along with 'em I got no natural rhythm
mircea_popescu: But I go dancin' every night hopin' one day I might get it right
mircea_popescu: I hear that beat; I jump outa my seat but I can't compete, cause I'm a dancin' fool, I'm a dancin' fool
BingoBoingo: The greatest problem with the movie Red Dawn is that no sane invader of the US would spend more effort than necessary to hold the Rockie Mountains than that necessary to cripple command structures there.
mircea_popescu: When they see me comin' they all step aside
mircea_popescu: They has a fit while I commit my social suicide,
mircea_popescu: etc.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i don't imagine anyone would be invading the us.
mircea_popescu: just you know, sink all its cruisers and impose a massive war reparations programme.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: In the next 100 to 500 year someone might want to use Kansas as their own breadbasket.
mircea_popescu: why ?
mircea_popescu: just tax the locals.
BingoBoingo: See this is the genius of Putin in Crimea and the enablement of US golden toilets all rolled into one.
BingoBoingo: Putin could have crimea and Eastern Ukraine because the people already favor Russia.
mircea_popescu: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BmAqdKJCUAAHdzf.jpg << dat michelle ass.
BingoBoingo: However if 1000 hillbillies with rifles oppose their own government over cows...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7652 @ 0.00094896 = 7.2614 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: What luck do the Chinese have
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1848 @ 0.00095066 = 1.7568 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: The same thing that gives Putin his good fortune enables America's golden toilets thus.
BingoBoingo: The entire world is Italy.
mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/804/obama-will-mention-bitcoin-before-2015/#c2845a << re this, kakobrekla or anyone with the data ready, what's the average duration for bitbet bets ?
jurov: BingoBoingo they don't necessarily favor Russia, they know well who Putin is
jurov: but they will be made to favor it any way necessary
BingoBoingo: jurov: Well, no one is offered a perfectly selection of choices.
BingoBoingo: What enables or prohibits aggression for territory, is not tanks fighter jets, or nukes but the williness or lack thereof to accept certain kinds or sources of governance.
mircea_popescu: let me interject something related i was just happening to read. a bit of a paste :
mircea_popescu: This stickiness of the Semitic languages supports a speculation: by the 7th Century there had to be many pockets in the Western Mediterranean of Punic-Canaanite speakers, about a thousand years after the fall of Carthage. Falling under Roman rule did not turn the population into Latin speakers (only for scholarly purposes, say Saint Augustine of Hyppo; we have much evidence of diglossia in the Levant, of the use of a l
mircea_popescu: anguage at home and for oral communication that is different from the language of writing, and doing so for 1000 years). And there had to be plenty of Semitic language speakers; just follow placenames from Carthage to Ramatuelle in France near Saint Tropez (ramat el means hill of God in both Canaanite and Hebrew). Even Marseilles seems to come from Marsa, port in Canaanite (and not from Massilia the Roman name since th
mircea_popescu: e Romans did not make names, but transcribed them). I estimate that the third of the coastal villages spoke Semitic dialects. The modus of the Phoenicians was network, hence a system of trade links built on trust (you send merchandise to a relative who pays you back; you needed a certain amount of trust before the letter of credit). The region is large: it extends all the way to Mogador on the Atlantic coast.
mircea_popescu: This explains the mystery of the effortless Arab invasion of the Southern and Western Mediterranean, all the way to Spain (and, less advertised, the Portuguese Algarve). They had to be welcomed by the local population along the coast. Canaanite and Arabic are easily mutually comprehensible (the distance between Semitic languages is very short, a corrollary of the stability thanks to the triplet of consonnants). And it
mircea_popescu: is wasy for a Punic speaker to progressively become an Arabic speaker, since he already knows 80-90% of the vocabulary.
mircea_popescu: This also gives some credibility to the thesis that was popping up in the 19th century that the North African Jews had a Phoenician origin (or that the difference between Canaanite and Jew before the rabbinical period was not very pronounced for p
mircea_popescu: ( http://www.fooledbyrandomness.com/notebook.htm, taleb's article)
BingoBoingo: !up aadeseye
assbot: Voicing aadeseye for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: !up vcorem
assbot: Voicing vcorem for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: so BingoBoingo, war may simply be that : dating.
kakobrekla: 85 days
mircea_popescu: who are the hillbillies going to support ? bigus dickus, the roman bureaucrat ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Of course it is. Diplomacy is also dating. Governance is a different thing though. Marriage.
mircea_popescu: jesus, the local nut ?
BingoBoingo: Usually the local nut.
mircea_popescu: putin the redbeard, the norwegian rapist cum invader ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1164 @ 0.00094851 = 1.1041 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla ty!
mircea_popescu: do you also sleep ?
mircea_popescu: http://www.youtube.com/embed/zPGb4STRfKw << bigus dickus
BingoBoingo: The hill billies always support the local nut, or the regional nut they can identify with
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.00094837 = 10.5269 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: 90 if you include the time from closing to resolution
kakobrekla: ;;ud sleep
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=sleep | You have been awake for 18 hours and are now viewing this useless definition of sleep. You are very tired and your brain is not functioning at its ...
kakobrekla: srsly someone planted that there eh
kakobrekla: next time ill rather google.
BingoBoingo: The wife is called Incontientia
mircea_popescu: incontinentia buttocks
BingoBoingo: Lol phrasing
BingoBoingo: .bait
ozbot: http://37.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8732uiP5v1r6bw5mo1_1280.png
BingoBoingo: http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20810638,00.html
ozbot: Justin Bieber Detained by Customs at Los Angeles Airport - Crime & Courts, Justin Bieber : People.co
mircea_popescu: shot ruined by panties srsly.
random_cat: wut benkay
BingoBoingo: Yeah, in other news, elmo acquitted http://gawker.com/ex-elmo-voice-actor-kevin-clash-cleared-of-sexual-abuse-1567240733
mircea_popescu: im sure the practicak difference between acquittal and conviction is less than the difference between his life pre and post that nonsense.
BingoBoingo: For sure
BingoBoingo: In still continued news http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/24/us/colorado-marijuana-fourth-graders/index.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rss%2Fcnn_topstories+%28RSS%3A+Top+Stories%29
BingoBoingo: Also a case of If you can You must http://gawker.com/school-agrees-to-stop-pumping-kids-full-of-mountain-dew-1567173577
BingoBoingo: !up jborkl_
assbot: Voicing jborkl_ without time-limit.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.00094776 = 10.5201 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: http://girls.twistys.com/preview/dailyupdates/2014/04/20/ryanryans-31565/images/full/03.jpg
mircea_popescu: check out that awful titjob
ThickAsThieves: 0O
BingoBoingo: That's like liver and stomach boobs. Missed the chest by quite a bit
BingoBoingo: Chicago http://deadspin.com/the-cubs-400-pound-wrigley-cake-is-sitting-in-a-dumpste-1567177257
ThickAsThieves: nonsensical derpitude
BingoBoingo: Also the left hand path http://regressing.deadspin.com/can-you-predict-if-your-kid-will-throw-left-handed-1552111458/+kylenw
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: Whatever, you aren't getting any of my insider info.
ThickAsThieves: "he researchers indeed discovered that left-handedness, like schizophrenia, was highly associated with being conceived in May or June " yknow this has always been my theory of how zodiac traits were started
BingoBoingo: I also swear deadspin might be the only Gawker enterprise worth saving.
ThickAsThieves: seasonal effects on mother, child, and the people influencing the child
BingoBoingo: Eh, I'm right handed but left eye dominant. Sometimes I'm clumsy, but that is usually just distilled rather than beyond the grave spirits at work.
ThickAsThieves: also in my own experience many of the crazies i met that are also smart are left-handed
cazalla: BingoBoingo: interesting article - my son is 14 weeks ATM, is favouring his left hand when grabbing for things yet no left handers in my family although my father is schizophrenic as was my grandfather and my uncle
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Well, teach him to throw a baseball and save his economic future.
ThickAsThieves: my brother favored his left hand but my dad basically "corrected" him out of it
mircea_popescu: speaking of may and june, check this shit out :
mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/804/obama-will-mention-bitcoin-before-2015/#c2849
ozbot: BitBet - Obama will mention Bitcoin before 2015
mircea_popescu: the may-june-july hole
Duffer1: in case anyone has some scorn they need to let out https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=581995.0
Duffer1: Adeally
cazalla: mircea_popescu: didn't Obama already mention it last year albeit off the cuff remark questioning he needed to worry about it or not
ThickAsThieves: do those stats also conveniently map to bubbles?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: What I gather is that SEO spammers can't spec interesting bets
cazalla: if*
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves maybe. was there a bubble last summer ?
ThickAsThieves: april
BingoBoingo: No, last summer was a slump
ThickAsThieves: maybe it's an indicator!
BingoBoingo: $100-80 until the rally to the millenial value
ThickAsThieves: correlation = causation!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: The discussion usually centers around “politeness“, because the mimics don’t really have the intellectual ability to identify, nor the ethical fiber to enunciate the real problem << reminds me:
ThickAsThieves: i think low bet submissions being topical is enough to change the tide
asciilifeform: paging herr naggum!
asciilifeform: http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3243007932071437@naggum.no.html
ozbot: Re: Bohr's way - Naggum cll archive
asciilifeform: http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3244958379944187@naggum.no.html
ozbot: Re: Difference between LISP and C++ - Naggum cll archive
asciilifeform: (ignore the thread titles, these were strictly psychiatric ruminations, nothing to do with programming computer)
ThickAsThieves: ascii thats good stuff
ThickAsThieves: "It has been my experience that it is strongly related to competence, but
ThickAsThieves: competence is related to some method of measurement of your success at
ThickAsThieves: what you try to do. If you work in a field where you cannot distinguish
ThickAsThieves: between good or bad, where everything is someone's "personal opinion" and
ThickAsThieves: nobody has any right answers, that just /has/ to be destructive for your
ThickAsThieves: self-confidence. "
ThickAsThieves: basically my epitaph in marketing industry
cazalla: http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/columnist/wolff/2013/10/27/ceos-are-often-clueless-about-technology/3182203/ so Obama aware of Bitcoin in October of last year, wonder if that increases odds of meeting bet criteria
BingoBoingo: The most exciting treatise on politics Gawker has ever hosted http://deadspin.com/pine-tar-should-be-fully-legal-and-baseball-is-still-f-1567100538
ThickAsThieves: "The reason we didn't like it was because it was so 'in your face.' If he had been a little more discreet with it nothing would have ever been said."
ThickAsThieves: lol
BingoBoingo: Truth
BingoBoingo: Everything is legal so long as you wait until the contest is over to flaunt it
ThickAsThieves: even the commenters that think they get it don't
ThickAsThieves: "Totally agree that it should be legal. In the mean time, Pineda really just needs to get better at this. I mean, he should realize that he is being watched after the last incident, there has to be a better place to put pine tar than on your neck. Just learn to cheat better."
ThickAsThieves: everyone talking about how he should have cheated
ThickAsThieves: not whether
BingoBoingo: I mean the writer cam to the wrong conclusion. It should still stay "banned" but discretion is the first step towards sophistication.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo, ThickAsThieves, other players of baseball - is the tar considered a cheat because it gives actual advantage? or merely not part of the regulation game?
ThickAsThieves: assimilate or eliminate is my motto
ThickAsThieves: if elimination is not possible,
ThickAsThieves: assimilation is mandatory
ThickAsThieves: as in, they obv cant totally stop people from using it
ThickAsThieves: therefore allow them to use it
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Tar for pitchers is considered a forbiden necessity. For batters it is completely acceptable.
BingoBoingo: Also http://deadspin.com/does-your-favorite-team-suck-at-keeping-an-efficient-pa-1567366582
asciilifeform: elaborate on the 'forbidden necessity'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3482 @ 0.00094846 = 3.3025 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: similar to, say, steroids?
ThickAsThieves: basically people are superstitious that picthers can do magical things when using tar
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It's use is necessary to master the craft, but exposing it is a faux pas.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Different from steroids in that the results are more quantifiable.
ThickAsThieves: pitchers argue its only to prevent totally losing the ball into ttghe crowd
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3818 @ 0.00095492 = 3.6459 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: the answer is probly in the middle
ThickAsThieves: baseball is very traditional though
BingoBoingo: Steroids do little in baseball beyond decreasing the time to recover from injury and maybe adding a bit of power. Doctoring a ball though is nearly essential for a pitcher to excel.
BingoBoingo: Basically there are reasons it is mostly aging hitters taking steroids, but every pitcher is doctoring the ball.
ThickAsThieves: has anyone done useful research about pitching with tar?
BingoBoingo: (This sidesteps the part where all of the good batters have ADHD diagnoses because amphetamines are the best performance enhancer for a batter)
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: Not for your budget.
ThickAsThieves: ?
ThickAsThieves: my budget?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: what kind of diagnoses do, e.g. marathon runners get? anemia?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Yes. Marathoners get anemia. Hockey players get various autoimmune diagnoses.
BingoBoingo: To justify constant anti-inflammatory drugs
asciilifeform: lol
asciilifeform: what disease should one contract as, say, chess player ?
BingoBoingo: That probably would be ADHD again.
BingoBoingo: And is the reason many high level players don't want to see olympic chess.
asciilifeform: i thought this was because FIDE wanted to ban coffee
BingoBoingo: That too.
mircea_popescu: the se;f confidence thing sounds just like greenspun's problem
asciilifeform: (who'll play after this!?)
BingoBoingo: But the distinction between leaded and unleaded coffee isn't caffinated vs. decaf.
mircea_popescu: cazalla well, if he had or hadn't, still has to be in bet interval. wasn't like a "first time" or anything
asciilifeform: leaded coffee!
ThickAsThieves: lol forumite says to me "What would it possibly take for you to remove the negative trust you left me?"
BingoBoingo: It was rumored that in baseball clubhouses leaded vs. unleaded was how they refered to amphetamine spiked coffee
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo what does tar do ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It affects grip and the aerodynamics of the ball.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: And this is baseball so there are nearly as many balls spent in the game as outs.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: amphetamine isn't magic. see:
asciilifeform: http://yarchive.net/med/nootropics.html
ozbot: Nootropics ("smart drugs") (Steven B. Harris, M.D.)
asciilifeform: mandatory reading for the 'better living through chemistry' aficionados.
mircea_popescu: this is what, tar like on their hands ? like oil ?
asciilifeform: tldr - engineering tradeoffs of self-medication
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BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Pine tar. So the sticky stuff pine leaks basically. Batters use it to not throw the bat into the crowd. Pitchers use it to add precision to the point they release the ball.
ThickAsThieves: it's sticky
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Those exist indeed.
mircea_popescu: oic
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: analogous to flying jet on 'afterburner'
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Or rocket with boosters. The sauce only provides benefits for so long.
mircea_popescu: afterburners are a pain in most situations tho. much less precision
BingoBoingo: Well afterburners is amphetamine. Pine tar is whatever makes a plane more responsive, engineered instability or whatever
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mircea_popescu: amusingly, i think pine tar is... amphetamine
mircea_popescu: funny how that wraps.
asciilifeform: i can hardly think of pine tar without tasting in my head that crap the greeks drink.
BingoBoingo: Well, it is not an incredibly simple mapping.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo but the one thing that makes the plane "more responsive" is spiking the pilot.
BingoBoingo: Of course. It is better though if both the pilot and plane are spiked.
asciilifeform: one can easily think of the design boundaries here (spiked fellow in ww1 sopwith, vs 'clean' one in modern jet)
asciilifeform: basic boojum here is, however, 'first ecstacy, then laundry'
BingoBoingo: Pine tar is spiking the plane (The F-16, a wily old pitcher) amphetamine is spiking the pilot (B-2 crews, Barry Bonds)
asciilifeform: as described by steve harris
BingoBoingo: lol
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Your link on nootropics reminds me of why the alcohol/caffine combination is my prefered and only regular combination from that toolset.
mircea_popescu: "If you /are/ the majority and I am in the minority, how could you possibly believe that I have not already and many years ago figured out exactly how you guys work? If you had the brain to do it, this would be a grave insult, but you do not think ahead. You do in fact not think at all, because the things you say can only be uttered by a mind closed shut long ago."
mircea_popescu: lelz
BingoBoingo: The only big error with the link is that nicotine is not *cholinergic* at all
BingoBoingo: Nicotine is nicotinic
BingoBoingo: Works on its own subset of the acetycholine responsive system while ignoring others.
asciilifeform: ;;google nicotinic acetylcholine receptor
gribble: Nicotinic acetylcholine receptor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicotinic_acetylcholine_receptor>; Acetylcholine receptor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetylcholine_receptor>; Nicotinic agonist - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicotinic_agonist>
asciilifeform: pediwikia will have to suffice for now
BingoBoingo: And the literature reveals nicotine excites some, but not all cholinergic receptors.
asciilifeform: sure
asciilifeform flashbacks to old day job
mircea_popescu: no he has a point, calling it cholinergic is a ridiculous approximation.
mircea_popescu: might as well call busses "avionic"
asciilifeform: lul
mircea_popescu: well... they're kinda similar.
asciilifeform: the little plane that goes to timis. from germany is astoundingly bus-like.
BingoBoingo: Well, think of dopamine (which the pharmacologically illerterate posit fuels all addiction)
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BingoBoingo: There are different dopamine agonists and antagonists that don't all hit the same types of dopamine receptors
mircea_popescu: dude i love this chan. i shall now write yet another great trilema article on the basis of shit i ran into here.
BingoBoingo: And of the major addictive drugs of abuse only cocaine and amphetamines hit any type of dopamine receptor primarily
mircea_popescu: and i'm not gonna give stan any more credit than i gave benkay either
asciilifeform: one of the things i used to do is model action of oximes (as an antidote to anticholinergics)
BingoBoingo: If dopamine for its own sake was the desired effect, junkies would skip heroin and just eat L-DOPA and broadbreans
asciilifeform: and this always gave me sad thoughts about how a very similar mechanism could probably be used to zap 'tolerance' to, e.g. caffeine
asciilifeform: but It Would Be Wrong (TM)
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: And I sat through literally 2/3rds of the PharmD curiculumn, half of it twice. But as a TA so I get no credit for having done such a thing.
asciilifeform: eat L-DOPA and broadbreans << nope. kinetics are 90% of the fun
asciilifeform: as you probably know.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Kinetics are huge.
asciilifeform: consider why cocainistas snort, inject - never eat
BingoBoingo: Poor first pass metabolism
BingoBoingo: isn't economical to eat.
BingoBoingo: With L-Dopa the Blood Brain Barrier plays a role, but convulsions play a bigger one
BingoBoingo: Nicotine is the perfect model of an addictive drug because tremendous excess is tolerated by the peripheral neurons, but its absence after tolerance raises holy fucking hell.
mircea_popescu: holy fucking hell my foot.
mircea_popescu: it raises the most minor of inconveniences conceivable.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: In the accultured. As opposed to the occasional
mircea_popescu: people just conveniently pretend like their experiences matter out of all proportion.
BingoBoingo: Sure.
mircea_popescu: do an experiment where you get shocked at a modest 48 volts at random intervals on average 8 times a second.
mircea_popescu: for you know, nine weeks.
BingoBoingo: Imma prolly miss the shocks.
asciilifeform: you can buy a convenient instrument for this.
mircea_popescu: in your teeth.
asciilifeform: at dog shops
mircea_popescu: now that's an inconvenience. not fucking nicotine deprivation.
asciilifeform: teeth? what'd you have? the fabled 'radio amalgam' ?
mircea_popescu: just sayin'.
mircea_popescu: get a special bed rigged where you get pricked with a pin. all the time. somewhere.
BingoBoingo: Well, you have to consider what receptor is involved at the intersection of skeletal muscle and the neuro
mircea_popescu: or forget that even. just a sm
mircea_popescu: simple programme of... load crates 16 hours a day. every day.
mircea_popescu: or dig ditches or w/e.
BingoBoingo: Now we're getting to common ground
mircea_popescu: after six weeks of that, the choice is never smoke again and never have to crate it up again
mircea_popescu: or both.
mircea_popescu: suddenly the hot fucking hell is like...
BingoBoingo: 16 hours of lifting arbitrary things about nicotine cessation for the habituated
mircea_popescu: arbitrary things over 30lbs
BingoBoingo: Over 15lbs even, if we are going arbitrary and 16 hours, 5-15 lbs, The unpredictability of load has value.
mircea_popescu: 30 to 60.
mircea_popescu: good enough
BingoBoingo: Keep in mind my experiences prolly don't map onto to many others. I'm missing 1/2 to 3/4 the D2 receptors most people have in the general population)
mircea_popescu: anyway. i'm kinda up to here with the smoking addiction thing. i've been smoking since ~16. that's two decades ago. i still smoke, i average a pack a month. prolly less these days. it takes all the willpower of a tomato as far as i can tell, it's never bothered me.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: I'm missing 1/2 to 3/4 the D2 receptors << where'd you misplace them?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform bad divorce.
asciilifeform: lol
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Back when 23andme made medical declarations I spit in a tube. Apparently I am part A-Rab
BingoBoingo: I guess because the gene was TAQ something or other
asciilifeform: my first guess was MPTP.
BingoBoingo: Nah
asciilifeform: ;;google Barry Kidston MPTP
gribble: MPTP - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MPTP>; Opiophilia: The Frozen Addicts: A Cautionary Tale: <http://opiophilia.blogspot.com/2013/09/the-frozen-addicts-cautionary-tale.html>; Heroin, MPTP, and the key to Parkinson's Disease - Everything2.com: <http://everything2.com/title/Heroin%252C+MPTP%252C+and+the+key+to+Parkinson%2527s+Disease>
BingoBoingo: I'm familiar with MPTP induced parkinsons from reading.
asciilifeform: better than from practice!
BingoBoingo: Parkinsons is more a D-1 and D-3 thing though.
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BingoBoingo: I have an admitedly odd neurology. I throw a baseball right handed but have to shoot the rifle left handed.
BingoBoingo: My left eye tremendously overpowers the right, but my right hand tremendously has dexterity over the left.
BingoBoingo: In practice this works great for watching porn because different halves of my brain can be watching porn vs. jacking me off, a perfect stranger
asciilifeform: wetware DMA ?
BingoBoingo: More like SCSI.
asciilifeform: lol
BingoBoingo: Terminators and all
asciilifeform: this has potential for good sf story mindfuck
asciilifeform: folks in the Dark Future of Hello Kitty (TM) splitting their brain, so they can literally (in their head) fuck themselves.
BingoBoingo: I also throw a bowling ball with alternating hands given situations favorable to one side or the other's strengths
BingoBoingo: The only people IRL on OL with similar issues were notorious epileptics so I guess being more functional than that is a plus.
BingoBoingo: For all I actually know maybe I am more addicted to menthol than nicotine
asciilifeform: shouldn't be hard to find out which, no?
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BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Especially hard since 23andme conceded medicine to MObama
BingoBoingo: The beautiful thing is this doesn't much matter.
asciilifeform: i meant, by taking only one and see what happens
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BingoBoingo: There are some practical restrictions. Like my preference for menthol cigarettes.
BingoBoingo: Next thing you know I will forsake N.W.A. for Sheryl Crow
BingoBoingo: Also I can't threaten incapacitating my self that much lest BTC/AtC goes to hell
asciilifeform: where's it now?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It is well within the specs I set when I raped herbi and his wife's future.
BingoBoingo: Between 100 and 200 satoshis
asciilifeform: i now confess that i missed what was herbi and wife
asciilifeform: some bozo invested his fortune in atc ?!?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The conversation is attached to here http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/04/24/my-role-in-s-mpif/
BingoBoingo: He invested little. It seemed to be a small portion of his anything.
asciilifeform: so how'd this constitute a zapping of future?
BingoBoingo: You were at points in the conversation.
asciilifeform: lol i was wasnt i
asciilifeform: prob. on autopilot
BingoBoingo: Read on, you saw it the first time.
BingoBoingo: He sought to seed microstructures, but every order he entered was like my betting green in roulette and hitting.
asciilifeform: lel
mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> asciilifeform: It is well within the specs I set when I raped herbi and his wife's future. << dude srsly.
mircea_popescu: suppose you actually do something like that one day.
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mircea_popescu: what are you going to say, "herp", because you already used the proper expression in april 2014 ?
mircea_popescu: gotta save yourself some cake.
asciilifeform: 'dynamic range'
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BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Prolly. Cake comes and goes. I might hammer out consistent gains, but probably never again over a bid-ask pread of 4 times
BingoBoingo: (spread so deep it lost a consanant)
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i re-read that thing. maybe it'd make sense to me with strong drink.
asciilifeform: as it is i'm tuned to wrong frequency, perhaps
benkay: ;;later tell decimation i did indeed and would be pleased to help you do the same although i'm sure you can figure it out
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well I mentioned this in another post, but it goes back to baseball. Who carries half of a ptcher's success and why?
asciilifeform reviews piece on baseball in '93 issue of 'наука и жизнь'
asciilifeform lives in usa since '92 and needs to do this
BingoBoingo: Normally the answer is the catcher calling pitches, as a great catcher is a slightly better source of entropy than the batter
BingoBoingo: This exists as an exact why for bitches loving Yadier Molina.
BingoBoingo: Though on the same team and Albert Pujols becoming a legend first, this is the exact machanism that made Pujols fungible with Carlos Beltran et al. while Molina was and is irreplaceable.
asciilifeform: anyone here other than BingoBoingo - gets this?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo works as scholar of sport? a referee?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Consider the game of chess vs. the game of artillery.
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BingoBoingo: In chess there is a tremendous advantage to anticipating lines your opponent might try to put forth.
BingoBoingo: Where as in artillery the goal is to hit the target first.
asciilifeform: vs where?
BingoBoingo: Well, a pitcher to get an out either has to throw three strikes or get the hitter to put the ball in a location favorable to one of their fielders.
BingoBoingo: Multiple attempts are a necessity
BingoBoingo: No less than three.
BingoBoingo: Vs. artillery where the opponent merely needs to hit you once
asciilifeform: perhaps in msdos game 'scorched earth', where each side gets one cannon.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Actually I am thinking the Apple II version, but yes, that artillery game
benkay: <mircea_popescu> and i'm not gonna give stan any more credit than i gave benkay either << wot ch2 omission smarted
BingoBoingo: Otherwise we could suppose infinite shitty alternate artillery games where one side produces a grunt who climbs a hill and stabs the cannon to death.
mircea_popescu: benkay hm ?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 'paratrooper'
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: lol.
asciilifeform: http://image.dosgamesarchive.com/screenshots/paratrooper.gif
benkay: mircea_popescu: dun think i got any credit for popping the recent sybils.
mircea_popescu: no credit for you!
benkay: used to it
benkay: 's why i'm in mgmt these days
benkay: (marginally)
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Reminds me of a conundrum. Every US Infantry officer gets the chance at ranger school after graduation, but many officers deployed to ostentiably infantry assignments will not be infantry officers.
BingoBoingo: Afghanistan fucks all empires
BingoBoingo: Because Italy
BingoBoingo: By Italy I mean classic Italy, anyone born more than two barns from you and your goats is a foreigner

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