#trilema | 2014-04-13

fluffypony: http://www.gametrailers.com/news-post/73123/sid-meiers-civilization-goes-sci-fi-with-beyond-earth

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 22 @ 0.08299776 = 1.826 BTC [-]

asciilifeform: kakobrekla: if i recall, the original script for the film called for the robot overlords to use mankind as distributed computing elements, rather than 'batteries'

asciilifeform: but this was later 'dumbed down.'

kakobrekla: robots use mankind as computing elements come on

kakobrekla: what sort of a sick joke is this

asciilifeform: less of one than 'battery'

dignork: kakobrekla, they use humans to solve capcha

kakobrekla: dignork :DD

kakobrekla: i dont think its optimal to keep the whole brain and whole human alive to compute some stuff

fluffypony: asciilifeform: yeah I remember something like that too, the battery thing was done to make it more accessible

kakobrekla: the machines surely would have figured that out

fluffypony: I don't play games often, but damn the Civilization: Beyond Earth trailer makes me want to play again

asciilifeform: kakobrekla: what we do with farm animals isn't exactly optimal

fluffypony: and it's going to be on Linux

asciilifeform: 'We shall escape the absurdity of growing a whole chicken in order to eat the breast or wing, by growing these parts separately under a suitable medium.'

asciilifeform: (winston churchill)

kakobrekla: yes that is happening nowdays

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 7 @ 0.01500001 = 0.105 BTC [+] {2}

asciilifeform: ever eat a cultured cell?

asciilifeform: try it

kakobrekla: no i cant say i have

cgcardona_: damn cryptsy is slow- withdrew 7 different coins about 24 hrs ago and the transactions are still *pending*

kakobrekla: you tried it?

asciilifeform: how about a herbivorous insect, like cicada

asciilifeform: they taste like grass.

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.5815 = 1.163 BTC [+] {2}

asciilifeform: 'you are what you eat

asciilifeform: '

asciilifeform: the simpler the metabolism, the more so.

cgcardona_: what is the general take in here on altcoins? cool to discuss or not here?

cgcardona_: i've been pretty excited about master coin and colored coins

cgcardona_: and of course I've been dabbling in alt just cause I like the idea of cryptos in general

benkay: cgcardona_: are they actually in the memory pool or has cryptsy not broadcast them yet?

cgcardona_: it looks like cryptsy hasn't broadcast them yet. cause I created new addresses for each withdraw/coin and I'm not seeing those addresses show up on any blockchains yet

kakobrekla: asciilifeform i guess we wait until humans manage to grow functional brains on a petri dish, then the argument will be settled.

cgcardona_: i've read online that 24 hrs has happened to other people. so I'm gonna wait until later today before I contact support.

benkay: cgcardona_: altcoins are always worth talking about, although some more than others.

cgcardona_: awesome. my thoughts exactly

cgcardona_: i'm wondering how the alt coin scene will change w/ the arrival of mastercoin and/or colored coins and/or sidechains. If I understand correctly these will layer abstractions upon bitcoin which will use a satoshi as a level of abstraction to represent anything (stock option, gold bar, keys to a car, deed to a house, etc). If that's the case then all that value should be driven back into the bitcoin blockchain right?

cgcardona_: which would seemingly push the value of an individual btc highter.

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 3.40455168 BTC to 8`286 shares, 41088 satoshi per share

ThickAsThieves: more likely, they will do nothing but liberate bitcoins from those who dont deserve them

ThickAsThieves: at least for the forseeable future

cgcardona_: ThickAsThieves: can you explain what you mean by that? How will they accomplish that?

ThickAsThieves: depends on the specific case, but, for example, some of these things require you to "burn" coins, or somewhat permanently assign them

ThickAsThieves: if/when that sidething dies, what then?

ThickAsThieves: if/when that sidething scams, what then?

ThickAsThieves: etc

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 30 @ 0.00587346 = 0.1762 BTC [-] {5}

ThickAsThieves: then, take colored coins

ThickAsThieves: the push for them comes from a desire to remove centralized exchanges for stocks or property

ThickAsThieves: but it doesnt remove the risk that the issuer is going to liberate your value

ThickAsThieves: it actually makes it more likely

ThickAsThieves: it also doesnt remove regulatory fears

benkay: basically paper only has value if there's someone with a gun backing that statement of value.

benkay: bitcoin isn't strong enough to enforce alloidal title.

benkay: yet.

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.04840019 = 0.484 BTC [-] {6}

ThickAsThieves: it places MORE burden on the issuer of the color

benkay: take danielpbarron for instance

cgcardona_: ThickAsThieves: interesting points. I'll consider them.

ThickAsThieves: !up TestingUnoDosTre

assbot: Insufficient rights, ThickAsThieves.

benkay: dude is selling an in-game-currency 'meat' on one of the distributed exchanges

benkay: !up danielpbarron

assbot: Voicing danielpbarron for 30 minutes.

benkay: nobody is enforcing he honor his contract for meats.

ThickAsThieves: !up TestingUnoDosTre

assbot: Voicing TestingUnoDosTre for 30 minutes.

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2000 @ 0.00013924 = 0.2785 BTC [-] {12}

benkay: http://blockscan.com/assetInfo.aspx?q=MEAT

TestingUnoDosTre: anyone know where the instructions are for this gpg key verification ? can't find in the log

benkay: ("Disclaimer: Blockscan is not responsible for the accuracy of the content listed here.")

benkay: what do you mean by gpg verification, TestingUnoDosTre ?

benkay: decrypting gribble's one-time-pad?

TestingUnoDosTre: no, i mean joining the wot or whatever so I don't have to get voiced up ery 30 minutes

ThickAsThieves: you need to register with WoT and register that same nick with freenode nameserv

ThickAsThieves: someone made a guide i think

ThickAsThieves: not surre if it includes all steps

TestingUnoDosTre: that's what I'm lookin for

benkay: ;;google bitcoin-otc guide wot

gribble: #bitcoin-otc: <http://bitcoin-otc.com/>; #bitcoin-otc web of trust: <http://bitcoin-otc.com/trust.php>; Beginners Guide - bitcoin-otc wiki: <http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/Beginners_Guide>

TestingUnoDosTre: whoops, was looking in teh wrong log

ThickAsThieves: ;;google #bitcoin-assets +m

gribble: #bitcoin-assets log: <http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/>; Vanitas pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2014/vanitas/>; This privacy thing… pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2014/this-privacy-thing/>

benkay: http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/Beginners_Guide#Registration.2C_authentication.2C_and_validation

ozbot: Beginners Guide - bitcoin-otc wiki

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21078 @ 0.00096436 = 20.3268 BTC [-] {2}

benkay: basically

benkay: ;;eregister <wot name> <pgp long id>

gribble: Error: 'name>' is not a valid GPG key id. Please use the long form 16 digit key id.

benkay: ;;everify <decrypted blob returned from previous command>

fluffypony: ,,gg

fluffypony: ,,bg

fluffypony: only works on -otc

fluffypony: [18:16:11] <+fluffypony> ,,bg

fluffypony: [18:16:12] <@gribble> http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/Beginners_Guide

benkay: ;;bg

gribble: Error: "bg" is not a valid command.

benkay: huh.

fluffypony: yeah I know

fluffypony: it's ,, not ;; for that

fluffypony: I have nfi why

TestingUnoDosTre: ;;ident TestingUnoDosTre

gribble: Nick 'TestingUnoDosTre', with hostmask 'TestingUnoDosTre!472849d2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.40.73.210', is not identified.

benkay: also distributed exchanges do shit like publish charts that only go through february: http://blockscan.com/burn.aspx

benkay: although i guess xcp is a limited time burn thing?

benkay: which is scamcoin red flag of the highest order.

fluffypony: yeah

fluffypony: you could only burn at the beginning

fluffypony: I don't think you can burn now

benkay: abhorrent.

cgcardona_: I just recently registered for this room. I had to register my nick w/ nickserv. Then w/ gribble i `register cgcardona_ <gpg ID>`. gribble replies w/ a challenge string which I then signed w/ my gpg key and put on to pastebin. Then to gribble I said `verify <pastebin url>` and my registration was good. Now to assbot I ca n`!up` and it works. Each time to register w/ gribble I `auth cgcardona_ ` to which it replies w/ anoth

cgcardona_: challenge string that I again sign and put on pastebin.

cgcardona_: not sure if that helps of if that's all extremely obvious for everyone in here.

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 47 @ 0.59716603 = 28.0668 BTC [+] {11}

cgcardona_: *helps at all

benkay: if you do ;;eauth cgcardona_ , you can decrypt the otp you get in return and then ;;everify that string

benkay: a little script that curl otp-url.php | gpg -d | pbcopy on os x is how i do things

benkay: so that i can just ;;everify (cmd p)

fluffypony: benkay: "The protocol was coded to create XCP on any address that sent less than or equal to 1 BTC to 1CounterpartyXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXUWLpVr between blocks 278310 and 283810 This was written right into the open-source code. So no individual had to be trusted to accept money then distribute a genesis block like with Next, Mastercoin, Emunie, Ethereum, Levelcoin (ipo scam), Visacoin (ipo scam)"

fluffypony: from reddit

cgcardona_: cool I'll check that out benkay

benkay: fluffypony: these initial burns are just as much a crime as premining.

fluffypony: benkay: I actually don't understand the point of this at all

cgcardona_: very interesting. I'd not heard that argument before.

benkay: http://blockscan.com/asset.aspx

benkay: (^^ wtf am i supposed to do? examine every thing individually??)

cgcardona_: so you're saying it's like premining in the sense that the people creating the coins which need to be burned in to are starting the game with a bunch of the new coins for themselves?

fluffypony: benkay: presumably the active ones will punt their asset?

benkay: the whole thing is a punt

benkay: look, an exchange is by definition a place people gather to exchange a thing

benkay: if i have to go to bitcointalk.org to read about your 'asset', you've failed.

fluffypony: agreed

fluffypony: I also don't see what's wrong (fundamentally) with an exchange being a central point of issuance/authority/failure, as long as it's not built and run like mtgox or litecoininvest or whatever

benkay: it is a time honored practice, this centralizing of important things.

benkay: docks

benkay: banks

benkay: libraries

cgcardona_: ok then can I spin it as all of the burn in coins will just remove btc from the blockchain thus driving value to the blockchain a la' "Lost coins only make everyone else's coins worth slightly more. Think of it as a donation to everyone."

benkay: but you just burnt bitcoins.

benkay: they're gone forever.

benkay: n/21 million gone.

cgcardona_: right - and satoshi's quote says "Lost coins only make everyone else's coins worth slightly more. Think of it as a donation to everyone."

cgcardona_: my last question was partially in jest

benkay: donations to everyone are not needed.

benkay: when the world economy is denominated in btc, these pennies will not materially affect how much or less i can buy with my btc.

benkay: economy size being fixed, and my share of the pool being fixed (income aside)

cgcardona_: but who is to say it will only be pennies? What if someone were to burn 75% of all btc into other coins. that would surely affect the price of the remaining btc by more than pennies.

benkay: price, and today.

ThickAsThieves: the pie is 100% no matter ho0w many slices

ThickAsThieves: this is the point

benkay: besides, it's a garbage example. anyone controlling significant numbers of btc won't be burning significant numbers of them. maybe the odd equivalent of a buttcoin to see some derps flail with their piggyback chains, but not a significant number.

cgcardona_: i personally agree with you. but I don't think I can speak for "anyone controlling significant numbers of btc"

cgcardona_: people act irrationally

cgcardona_: and we dont know what jesus coins may arrive in the future. people may be incentivized to burn coins en mass

cgcardona_: but actually I agree w/ you overall. just arguing the point for the sake of clarity

ThickAsThieves: people may grow unihorns too

benkay: and the earth may orbit backwards tomorrow.

cgcardona_: :D

asciilifeform: best racket will be to 'burn,' rather than burn.

fluffypony: asciilifeform yeah

fluffypony: given a sufficiently powerful vanity address generator

fluffypony: you could convince people it's a burner

TestingUnoDosTre: ;;eregister TestingUnoDosTre DFBEC17DF96DFB77

gribble: Request successful for user TestingUnoDosTre, hostmask TestingUnoDosTre!472849d2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.40.73.210. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/DFBEC17DF96DFB77

cgcardona_: so let me see if I understand. I tell people I'm creating cgcardona_coin and that they need to burn coins into 1cgcardonafuckingrulesAdfusd address which is actually my personal address?

fluffypony: that sentence was all wrong, but you get my drift

benkay: btw TestingUnoDosTre that OTP url is unique for the duration of your use of that key. so feel free to hard code it into any scripts you write.

fluffypony: cgcardona_: yes, that burner address was 1CounterpartyXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXUWLpVr

TestingUnoDosTre: nice

cgcardona_: fluffypony: ah ok I'm getting it now

fluffypony: to generate that with vanitygen or oclvanitygen would take more time than there is on the sun

benkay: time on the sun nice

cgcardona_: haha

benkay: i've heard of mixed metaphors, but you blended that one

ThickAsThieves: *could* take more time

fluffypony: ThickAsThieves is right

fluffypony: could take

benkay: mhm.

benkay: burning. considered stupid.

cgcardona_: glad we had this talk.

fluffypony: stumbling across a randomly generated BTC privkey that is for an address with funds is equally possible and probably more likely

cgcardona_: i had been buying into the mastercoin and colored coins hype

fluffypony: :-P

ThickAsThieves: glad you asked!

benkay: distributed autonomous corporations

benkay: ick

ThickAsThieves: ick

benkay: getting a bit echo-y in here...

ThickAsThieves: asschamber

benkay: an individual suggesting a business could be run on algorithms is demonstrating why that person is unsuited to make claims about businesses.

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75300 @ 0.00096562 = 72.7112 BTC [+] {5}

benkay: even your gambling operation will need human intervention from time to time.

benkay: unless you hook the cold wallet up to the robot too, which, anathema.

fluffypony: yeah

fluffypony: that's why the whole Internet marketing / Warrior Forum thing is such a clever scam

fluffypony: because they keep advertising things as "hands off"

ThickAsThieves: one day i want to grow up and be a DAC cab company owner

fluffypony: like you're just going to start this auto-blogging thing and it'll go and you won't need to touch it and the funds will just flow in

benkay: "you don't even need to know anything!"

benkay: get. the. fuck. out.

fluffypony: passive income is not a thing unless you happen to write a massive single that will be played for the next 100 years, or write a timeless book that will be sold for the next 100 years

benkay: 500k in the bank

benkay: move to thailand

fluffypony: ask MisterE about that:-P

cgcardona_: fluffypony: more accurately if you *produce* a massive single. writers/performers get screwed as well

benkay: or 500B, live off the deflationary behavior

benkay: in like 30 years

ThickAsThieves: fluffypony even music income isnt passive

ThickAsThieves: needs lawyers, enforcement, etc

fluffypony: and concerts and promotions

cgcardona_: ^

fluffypony: and book signings

fluffypony: and TV appearances

cgcardona_: and flavored drinks

cgcardona_: (i'm looking at you 50 cent)

fluffypony: heh

ThickAsThieves: plus who the fuck pays for music anymore?

fluffypony: "new fluffypony cola"

benkay: wow hey i just realized a thing

benkay: code tutorials with product placement

ThickAsThieves: this code brought to you by Mountain Dew

benkay: var MountainDew = "yourbutt"

cgcardona_: haha

fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: I do peripherally - I have a Songza premium sub ($0.99 a week) and a Rdio Unlimited subscription ($10/month)

benkay: great hustle

fluffypony: but I don't pay per song

ThickAsThieves: well i do too, but yknow

benkay: impossible to find anything on those damn services

cgcardona_: I pay for music at live shows quite often. That's where the real hustle is

ThickAsThieves: so far pandora wins

ThickAsThieves: great at finding new music

fluffypony: Rdio is actually really awesome - you can "sync" stuff to mobile, which basically just downloads the songs and stores them in the app

fluffypony: so kinda like buying it and having a local copy except not

cgcardona_: yea spotify does that as well

ThickAsThieves: fluffypony they all do that

benkay: kinda almost like copying the file and putting it on a device

benkay: o.O

fluffypony: http://i.imgur.com/um6ijro.jpg

fluffypony: lol

cgcardona_: haaha!

cgcardona_: except they can take it whenever they want!

benkay: except shittier and stupid.

fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: yeah but none of them have been available in South Africa till Rdio came along

kakobrekla: !up TestingUnoDosTre

assbot: Insufficient rights, kakobrekla.

ThickAsThieves: !up TestingUnoDosTre

assbot: Voicing TestingUnoDosTre for 30 minutes.

kakobrekla: ty

TestingUnoDosTre: ;;eregister TestingUnoDosTre DFBEC17DF96DFB77

ThickAsThieves: yw

cgcardona_: omg 'proof-of-burn' is actually a thing

cgcardona_: i thought that was just the greatest stoner joke ever

cgcardona_: i didn't realize that's what the concept was actually called (reading https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=395761.0)

fluffypony: heh

benkay: proof of burn is a great way to get people to buy into your thing

benkay: do it, now you have this tiny network of people who need to see the value of their coins increase. they will jump through all sorts of rationalizations as to why their burn was a good idea.

benkay: plus, you now have an entirely constricted supply.

benkay: consider a bitcoin thing; an alt chain, a piggyback thing, whatever it is.

cgcardona_: "they will jump through all sorts of rationalizations as to why their burn was a good idea." - couldn't you say the same thing about most people who have a vested interest in something succeeding?

benkay: if it throws away big important parts of bitcoin (like say distributing supply semi-randomly according to capital power, the txn processing network), it's probably fucking stupid.

benkay: cgcardona_: bitcoin especially

TestingUnoDosTre: ;;;verify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:d9e4395d378eb882437ec77d6fb080db6aedf418eb220b117fbfc9c1

gribble: Error: ";verify" is not a valid command.

benkay: ;;everify

TestingUnoDosTre: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:d9e4395d378eb882437ec77d6fb080db6aedf418eb220b117fbfc9c1

gribble: Registration successful. You are now authenticated for user TestingUnoDosTre with key DFBEC17DF96DFB77

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12074 @ 0.00096568 = 11.6596 BTC [+]

fluffypony: wd TestingUnoDosTre

TestingUnoDosTre: now I just need some trust!?

fluffypony: specifically you need to be in assbot's primary trust

cgcardona_: TestingUnoDosTre: so does that mean you don't have to reauth everytime you come into the room?

benkay: or secondary

benkay: ;;gettrust TestingUnoDosTre

gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask TestingUnoDosTre!472849d2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.40.73.210. Trust relationship from user benkay to user TestingUnoDosTre: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=TestingUnoDosTre | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=TestingUnoDosTre | Rated since: never

fluffypony: or secondary

benkay: ;;gettrust TestingUnoDosTre assbot

gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user TestingUnoDosTre to user assbot: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=TestingUnoDosTre&dest=assbot | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=assbot | Rated since: Fri Apr 11 02:04:55 2014

cgcardona_: ;;gettrust benkay

gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask benkay!~user@71-214-87-217.ptld.qwest.net. Trust relationship from user cgcardona_ to user benkay: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=cgcardona_&dest=benkay | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=benkay | Rated since: Sun Mar 10 13:57:45 2013

benkay: ;;rate TestingUnoDosTre 1 an entity.

gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user TestingUnoDosTre has been recorded.

benkay: let the rating dilutions begin.

TestingUnoDosTre: ;;gettrust TEstingUnoDosTre

gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask TestingUnoDosTre!472849d2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.40.73.210. Trust relationship from user TestingUnoDosTre to user TEstingUnoDosTre: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=TestingUnoDosTre&dest=TEstingUnoDosTre | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=TEstingUnoDosTre | Rated since: Sun Apr 13 12:56:09 2014

benkay: TestingUnoDosTre: you can now !up yourself via pm with assbot

benkay: ;;gettrust assbot TestingUnoDosTre

gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask TestingUnoDosTre!472849d2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.40.73.210. Trust relationship from user assbot to user TestingUnoDosTre: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=TestingUnoDosTre | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=TestingUnoDosTre | Rated since: Sun Apr 13 12:56:09 2014

TestingUnoDosTre: do I have to add trust to assbot?

fluffypony: nope

TestingUnoDosTre: or rate

benkay: no, it works the other way around.

cgcardona_: so I'm able to up myself but I have no trust w/ assbot. how is that working?

benkay: ;;rate TestingUnoDosTre 1 still using a web client

gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user TestingUnoDosTre has changed from 1 to 1.

benkay: ;;gettrust cgcardona_ assbot

TestingUnoDosTre: :D

benkay: !down cgcardona_

assbot: Insufficient rights, benkay.

benkay: !up cgcardona_

assbot: Voicing cgcardona_.

benkay: !down cgcardona_

assbot: Insufficient rights, benkay.

TestingUnoDosTre: !up TestingUnoDosTre

assbot: Insufficient rights, TestingUnoDosTre.

benkay: fascinating.

benkay: you !up yourself in pm with assbot, TestingUnoDosTre

TestingUnoDosTre: gotcha

benkay: cgcardona_: can you really up yourself? would you demonstrate that?

benkay: ;;ident cgcardona_

gribble: Nick 'cgcardona_', with hostmask 'cgcardona_!~cgcardona@cpe-75-85-131-223.hawaii.res.rr.com', is identified as user 'cgcardona_', with GPG key id 0F1225CA7384131A, key fingerprint B591A80F8DF61ACAC58C806A0F1225CA7384131A, and bitcoin address None

cgcardona_: sure

cgcardona_: just did it

benkay: so part and then rejoin

cgcardona_: ok

cgcardona_: brb

kakobrekla: asciilifeform what was that recent blogpost link re dont come to merrica again?

benkay: ;;ident cgcardona_

gribble: Nick 'cgcardona_', with hostmask 'cgcardona_!~cgcardona@cpe-75-85-131-223.hawaii.res.rr.com', is not identified.

benkay: ;;ident cgcardona_

gribble: Nick 'cgcardona_', with hostmask 'cgcardona_!~cgcardona@cpe-75-85-131-223.hawaii.res.rr.com', is not identified.

benkay: waiting on you, cgcardona_

fluffypony: sweet Harrison Ford AMA

fluffypony: he looks like a wizard

cgcardona_: ok i'm back w/ voice benkay

cgcardona_: the time lag is that I need to reauth w/ gribble each time which takes a second.

benkay: ;;gettrust cgcardona_ assbot

benkay: kakobrekla: what's going on with cgcardona_ ?

benkay: just self-upped with no lvl2 trust to assbot.

benkay: s/to/from

cgcardona_: kakobrekla: gave me a little trust yesterday. i think that was sufficient

cgcardona_: just so that I could !up

benkay: ;;gettrust kakobrekla assbot

gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user kakobrekla to user assbot: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 4 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=kakobrekla&dest=assbot | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=assbot | Rated since: Fri Apr 11 02:04:55 2014

cgcardona_: i'm still unclear on how to get trust from assbot

benkay: ;;gettrust kakobrekla cgcardona_

gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask cgcardona_!~cgcardona@cpe-75-85-131-223.hawaii.res.rr.com. Trust relationship from user kakobrekla to user cgcardona_: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=kakobrekla&dest=cgcardona_ | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=cgcardona_ | Rated since: Sat Apr 12 18:04:35 2014

kakobrekla: is gribble bugged?

benkay: ;;gettrust assbot cgcardona_

gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask cgcardona_!~cgcardona@cpe-75-85-131-223.hawaii.res.rr.com. Trust relationship from user assbot to user cgcardona_: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=cgcardona_ | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=cgcardona_ | Rated since: Sat Apr 12 18:04:35 2014

benkay: no, it's directional.

kakobrekla: well there it is

kakobrekla: yeah

kakobrekla: makes sense

kakobrekla: naughty cgcardona_ didnt rate back,.

benkay: mhm

cgcardona_: kakobrekla: I'm new! will rate right now (googling how)

benkay: uh so i guess this means i have to update ratings

ThickAsThieves: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/22xjx4/my_wife_is_complaining_that_the_house_is_cold/

cgcardona_: still new to wot

kakobrekla: no worries

cgcardona_: :)

TestingUnoDosTre: wwhy did assbot say I wasn't authenticated?

kakobrekla: ;;gettrust TestingUnoDosTre

gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask TestingUnoDosTre!472849d2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.40.73.210. Trust relationship from user kakobrekla to user TestingUnoDosTre: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=kakobrekla&dest=TestingUnoDosTre | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=TestingUnoDosTre | Rated since: Sun Apr 13 12:56:09 2014

benkay: ;;rate Ssateneth 3 good exchange

gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user Ssateneth has changed from 2 to 3.

kakobrekla: at this point we will need #bitcoin-assets-support

TestingUnoDosTre: hrmph

kakobrekla: s/point/rate

benkay: ;;rate mircea_popescu 3 bitlord

gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user mircea_popescu has changed from 1 to 3.

benkay: ;;rate kakobrekla 3 such ops

gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user kakobrekla has changed from 2 to 3.

benkay: ;;rate jurov 2 great to work with

gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user jurov has changed from 1 to 2.

cgcardona_: ;;rate kakobrekla 1 For allowing me to have voince in #bitcoin-assets

gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user kakobrekla has been recorded.

benkay: ;;rate mod6 2 monk

gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user mod6 has changed from 1 to 2.

benkay: ;;rate davout 2 did not 0day me

gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user davout has changed from 1 to 2.

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 65 @ 0.00570001 = 0.3705 BTC [+]

kakobrekla: TestingUnoDosTre does assbot still say you are not authed?

TestingUnoDosTre: looks like it does not

cgcardona_: ;;gettrust cgcardona_

gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask cgcardona_!~cgcardona@cpe-75-85-131-223.hawaii.res.rr.com. Trust relationship from user cgcardona_ to user cgcardona_: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=cgcardona_&dest=cgcardona_ | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=cgcardona_ | Rated since: Sat Apr 12 18:04:35 2014

cgcardona_: trust noone ^

TestingUnoDosTre: can't rate myself, what kind of sham is this!?

benkay: ;;rate TestingUnoDosTre 1 #bitcoin-assets +v

gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user TestingUnoDosTre has changed from 1 to 1.

TestingUnoDosTre: ;;rate dignork 1 helped me register gpg key. Bitcoin-assets support 5 stars *****

gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user dignork has been recorded.

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.03529966 = 0.1059 BTC [+] {3}

cgcardona_: ;;rate kakobrekla 1 For allowing me to have voice in #bitcoin-assets

gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user kakobrekla has changed from 1 to 1.

cgcardona_: fixing typo ^^

Anduck: !up gribble

assbot: Insufficient rights, Anduck.

Anduck: n00b assbot

Anduck: !up anduck

assbot: Insufficient rights, Anduck.

Anduck: wtf

Apocalyptic: <Anduck> !up gribble // he's already upped... as you are

Anduck: well hmm yea

Anduck: !up gribble

assbot: Insufficient rights, Anduck.

Anduck: ok

Anduck: i thought it was because i wasn't authed

Anduck: but now i am =)

Apocalyptic: what are you trying to do ?

Anduck: just testing assbot

bounce: ;;echo !up anduck

gribble: !up anduck

assbot: Insufficient rights, gribble.

kakobrekla: noobs.

Anduck: noobs?

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4550 @ 0.00096536 = 4.3924 BTC [-]

kakobrekla: if you !up yourself via pm with assbot you get all the rights you get

Anduck: why does it say "insufficient rights"?

kakobrekla: you dont get those if you are upped by someone else or if theres a split like it was.

Anduck: !up anduck

assbot: Voicing anduck for 30 minutes.

Anduck: nice

kakobrekla: you just self pwned yourself

Anduck: i kno

Anduck: i can selfpwn anyone

Anduck: like gribble, right=

Anduck: '

kakobrekla: i found a bug.

Anduck: i found it too =)

Anduck: well, it's not a bug but... that is a bug

Anduck: ;;echo !up assbot

gribble: !up assbot

assbot: Insufficient rights, gribble.

Anduck: !up assbot

assbot: I don't do bots, Anduck.

Anduck: ahh

Anduck: he doesn't do bots.

kakobrekla: ;;echo !up Assbot

gribble: !up Assbot

assbot: Insufficient rights, gribble.

kakobrekla: the problem is, theres a difference between "!up Anduck" and "!up anduck"

Anduck: hmm

Anduck: ok

kakobrekla: i noticed it now.

Anduck: !up Anduck

assbot: Really, Anduck?

Anduck: !up anDuck

assbot: Voicing anDuck for 30 minutes.

Anduck: heh

Anduck: !up Gribble

assbot: Voicing Gribble for 30 minutes.

Anduck: shiiit

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.0354999 = 0.355 BTC [+]

kakobrekla: just do !down anduck

Anduck: !down Gribble

Anduck: hmm

kakobrekla: down yourself.

Anduck: gribble needs permavoice, though

Anduck: !down anduckj

Anduck: !down anduck

kakobrekla: meh

kakobrekla: no gribble just needs less idiots messing around with stuff

fluffypony: lol, so there's a new Japanese exchange: btcbox.co.jp

fluffypony: from reddit: "Just to clarify, this is not a new Gox. They were only here cos that fat french fuck had to run away from his previous crimes. This exchange appears to be a proper japanese exchange aimed at the Japanese people."

Anduck: haha you just called me an idiot, right? =D

kakobrekla: maybe i did

bounce: timeless lessons of software engineering.

mircea_popescu: sounds legit

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6750 @ 0.00096536 = 6.5162 BTC [-]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.608 BTC [+]

ozbot: My wife is complaining that the house is cold.... because we sold our bitcoin miners... : Bitcoin

mircea_popescu: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BlExt5iCAAAf6jn.png:large

ThickAsThieves: "And before she was complaining that the house was too noisy... because we had bitcoin miners...

ThickAsThieves: can't win."

ThickAsThieves: "sell your wife next time"

Anduck: should buy noiseless miners

Anduck: bitfurys for example =)

mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves until and unless he starts spanking her, definitely.

nubbins`: noiseless wife, even

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.03403328 = 0.2723 BTC [-] {5}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06698999 = 0.6699 BTC [+] {2}

mircea_popescu: dn¡

mircea_popescu: fail.

mircea_popescu: ˙uǝʌǝ ןıɐɟ

thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: any reccommendations on what software to use to talk to gpg for automated things?

Anduck: make bash script

fluffypony: uʍop¡

fluffypony: ɟʇʍ 'ʞɹoʍ ʇ,usǝop

mircea_popescu: prolly a bash script'd be the best

fluffypony: ¿ʇoqssɐ oʇ assbot ǝɯɐuǝɹ pןnoɥs ǝʍ ǝqʎɐɯ

benkay: hard question is how best to set up box with gpg on network and wire it to other boxen doing stuff.

mircea_popescu: why on network ? hook them up on serial cable and write your own protocol.

benkay: "network"

benkay: but thx mircea_popescu

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19100 @ 0.00096672 = 18.4644 BTC [+]

bounce: interfacing gpg is clunky to the point there's a library to make it easier, gpgme (haven't checked how much it helps, to me it's just another annoying dependency), though some programs just run the commands and look at the answer strings

thestringpuller: all these unicode characters are killin issi

bounce: though if you go (bourne, not bourne again please) script it's probably a good idea to tell the thing to use "C" for a locale, lest the thing suddenly talks french or something

thestringpuller: bounce: sounds like a problem for pankkake

FabianB: pympex and MPEx.rb use gpgme

thestringpuller: good 'ol mpexagent ;)

mircea_popescu: gpgme isn't bad, there's also a gpgagent thing that seems solid

thestringpuller: agents scare me

mircea_popescu: just you know, whatever you're doing

FabianB: gpgme is a library for gpg, gpg-agent just just 'remember my pw for a period of time'

mircea_popescu: !up dignork

assbot: Voicing dignork for 30 minutes.

mircea_popescu: yo. dja know how to up yourself ?

dignork: mircea_popescu, why?

mircea_popescu: so you can do it lol

assbot: Listing #bitcoin-assets rules - requested by only

assbot: - don't spam too much, it's spammy

assbot: - don't use of 'afk' or 'away' on the chan or your nick, it's spammy

assbot: - anything you say is public and can be used by anyone

assbot: - we do like bacon and eggs, even sausages most of the time

bounce: spammy spammy assbot

dignork: mircea_popescu, this kind of contradicts the new elitist channel model

mircea_popescu: how you mean ?

mircea_popescu: !up only

assbot: Voicing only for 30 minutes.

mircea_popescu: yo.

only: danke mircea_popescu

dignork: ;;echo !up dignork

gribble: !up dignork

assbot: Insufficient rights, gribble.

mircea_popescu: sure.

dignork: tor access seems to be horribly lagging anyway:( so even my attempt to check if grible echo hack works was pointless :(

mircea_popescu: dignork you id with gribble and then pm assbot !up

mircea_popescu: and gribble hack doth not work, no.

mircea_popescu: http://blog.khersonus.com/2014/assbot-level-2-trust/ < gotta be on this list. you get there by getting in the wot and getting rated by someone in assbot's trustlist

ozbot: assbot level 2 trust | Khersonus Blog

Anduck: assbot: take your head off your ass

jurov: ;;gettrust assbot dignork

gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask dignork!~dignork@gateway/tor-sasl/dignork. Trust relationship from user assbot to user dignork: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=dignork | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=dignork | Rated since: Fri Oct 18 12:20:18 2013

dignork: i know the drill mircea_popescu, but nobody trusts me enought anyway :)

dignork: *enough

mircea_popescu: well maybe in time huh.

benkay: what do we think about 1's for +v?

benkay: obvs not for robwhiz22 etc al but those who appear to be on the right track

mircea_popescu: judgement call for teh 29

benkay: ;;rate dignork 1 #bitcoin-assets +v

gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user dignork has been recorded.

benkay: dignork: are you selling btc atm?

benkay: ;;gettrust assbot dignork

gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask dignork!~dignork@gateway/tor-sasl/dignork. Trust relationship from user assbot to user dignork: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=dignork | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=dignork | Rated since: Fri Oct 18 12:20:18 2013

mircea_popescu: i dun recall if i linked this

jurov: to da moon!

benkay: > implying?

dignork: benkay, i can sell some small amount, just for kicks, why?

pankkake: dignork would have had a trust through me soon anyways

mircea_popescu: dignork why so emo srsly ? apparently tons of people were going to trust you enough

dignork: i have some trust on otc, but the group in assets does not intersects too much

pankkake: bounce: there is --with-colons. I never had to parse actual text content from GPG, exit codes etc. were enough

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12100 @ 0.00096684 = 11.6988 BTC [+] {2}

punkman: if you want to gpg with python: https://pythonhosted.org/python-gnupg/

pankkake: but the state of python libs is weird… there's like at least three libs and they all suck

bounce: sure. mutt doesn't use gpgme either, IIRC

only: any tobacco smokers in here? I want a rating as well :)

bounce: ::rate -1 only unhealthy character

mircea_popescu: lol cigs for access ? this sounds like the old time clubs are here :D

pankkake: I'm thinking of hoarding tobacco, as a doomsday currency

bounce isn't too sure python doesn't secretly suck either. then again, might be I'm reading too many naggum links.

only: pankkake: good thinking

bounce: risky though. one fire and all your currency goes up in smoke.

mircea_popescu: pankkake definitely worked that way in the west

mircea_popescu: !up toffoo

assbot: Voicing toffoo for 30 minutes.

only: any brands in mind, pankkake?

mircea_popescu: you could just as well buy a wife for 40 leaves

benkay: no no bounce

benkay: it sucks.

benkay: java with less typing is all.

pankkake: no, I don't know the first thing about it. my first step would be learn how to store it so that it lasts

bounce: there's some cute things you can do with it that're less possible with java

only: pankkake: a big ass humidor should suffice

mircea_popescu: or a lot of apple slices.

mircea_popescu: anyway, there are those who claim old tobacco properly stored is actually better than new.

mircea_popescu: !up omen1855

assbot: Voicing omen1855 for 30 minutes.

benkay: such new folk

danielpbarron: neato

bounce: so I rewrote that thing from yesterday in python then fixed the calculations: http://pastebin.ca/2695668 apparently this "comprehensions" thing is a bit contagious.

jurov found some vintage "taras bulba" tobacco from 1960s.. so you say it has some value?

only: mircea_popescu: Virginias age wonderfully :)

pankkake: I love list comprehensions. I'm sure lispfags will scoff at it though!

mircea_popescu: jurov taras bulba or trash vulva ?

jurov: lol... it was named after nikolai gogol's novella

mircea_popescu: is this the one with the kidnapped underage chick where the author blames the chick ?

jurov: i had not read(nor smoke) it wikipedia says nothign about chix

fluffypony: [20:24:57] <xodianbarr> fyi the prypto shares early adopter offering ends tonight. Tomorrow they will be unavailable and on Tuesday they go on bitcoinbourse. Anyone purchasing at least 1 share till the deadline gets a private share for every public share purchased and the opportunity of the private share account which gives an insight into dividend profit build up monthly.

fluffypony: another bitcoinbourse "asset" is coming

bounce: heh. so, you have to buy one sooper sekrit share now or be bereft of the company books forever?

jurov: yes, i mentioned it, "bitcoin stickers IPO"

jurov: beyond farcical

mircea_popescu: jurov i was just pretending gogol's nabokov.

mircea_popescu: fluffypony prypto ? srsly ?!

fluffypony: https://prypto.com/investment/

ozbot: Prypto: Welcome to Prypto

mircea_popescu: holy shit!

mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/why-everything-you-think-you-know-about-dns-is-entirely-wrong/

ozbot: Why everything you think you know about DNS is entirely wrong pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu

mircea_popescu: yesterday i write, today they apply ?! gotta love these new scammers.

pankkake: I thought it was a typo

fluffypony: uh, but Google has stated on more than one occasion that exact match domain names are no longer relevant

fluffypony: http://searchenginewatch.com/article/2214115/Google-Warns-of-Upcoming-Exact-Match-Domain-Algorithm-Change

thestringpuller: ;;google REPL

gribble: Read–eval–print loop - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Read%E2%80%93eval%E2%80%93print_loop>; Repl.it: <http://repl.it/>; REPL Node.js v0.10.26 Manual & Documentation: <http://nodejs.org/api/repl.html>

thestringpuller: booooo

jurov: whut are they gonna use? soundex?

mircea_popescu: aproximex

bounce tries and fails to come up with a funny connecting "africanisation of the west" to the fail that is "black culture" in the US and bright eyed young white pasty silly vally kids

mircea_popescu: this should be a play.

mircea_popescu: write it and be forever known as bouncespeare

mircea_popescu: sorta like shake v2.0. bounce.

bounce is no good with drama. but hey, n'ver know what the morrow bringeth

bounce: maybe should go and look at that onion "white niggah" thing for inspiration

fluffypony: can we cast robwhizz22 as court jester?

mircea_popescu: bounce to learn a craft, you copy the masters. pick a play, rewrite it for your topic, publish your clumbsy attempt for general ridicule.

mircea_popescu: if you've a modicum of culture and read the damned things you stand some chance of at least picking the right one for the purpose.

mircea_popescu: in any event, twenty or so years later you may have become mediocre at it.

bounce: well, at least I got your unequivocal encouragement

mircea_popescu: indeed!

dignork: mircea_popescu, DNS article, topic related name might get indexed by search engine in forum links etc, so they might not be a total waste of money

mircea_popescu: this is a point, indeed. a minor one, i suspect.

fluffypony: dignork

fluffypony: most forums nowadays are nofollow links

mircea_popescu: !up starsoccer

assbot: Voicing starsoccer for 30 minutes.

starsoccer: oo thanks mircea_popescu

mircea_popescu: yw.

starsoccer: just did it via pm but it told me i need to auth

starsoccer: ;;ident

gribble: Nick 'starsoccer', with hostmask 'starsoccer!~starsocce@207.12.89.33', is not identified.

starsoccer: guess im not authed

starsoccer: ;;bcauth starsoccer

gribble: Request successful for user starsoccer, hostmask starsoccer!~starsocce@207.12.89.33. Your challenge string is: freenode:#bitcoin-otc:cbc86176ae8302104f5210cc34dae4fafdcb017ed3a11f33fbb95758

mircea_popescu: yes you need to get in the wot and auth.

starsoccer: i am, just gribble keeps login me out

starsoccer: idk why

mircea_popescu: if it doesn't see you it logs yu out

starsoccer: well i ussually idle in a few so it always sees me

starsoccer: anyways let me auth

mircea_popescu: you're on the l2 list, so after you do you can pm assbot !up and it'll permavoice oyu.

starsoccer: kk

starsoccer: 12list?

bounce: ;;gettrust assbot starsoccer

gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user starsoccer: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=starsoccer | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=starsoccer | Rated since: Sat May 12 23:07:51 2012

dignork: another example then: otc user shilling a service with domain name consisting of "bitcoin" and "insanity", i'll never remember the domain name, but googling these two terms kinda brings me to his site

mircea_popescu: !up aadeseye

assbot: Voicing aadeseye for 30 minutes.

mircea_popescu: dignork the reason you don't remember it is precisely that it had bitcoin in it and your brain spaces it out. i don't remember all the coin* shit either.

mircea_popescu: if it was some unique well chosen 5-6-7 char word you prolly would have remembered it.

dignork: mircea_popescu, yes, but in this case "google" algo kicks in, and he still gets a customer, so this dns exploits another mind bug , instead of browser autocompletion

bounce: two consonants at the start is nice for re-visits, not so much for first looks, typing from a commercial or the decals on a lorry or whatever

mircea_popescu: if you're good enough to actually get forum mentions the effect in question is comparatively weak. if you're weak and rely on trying to spam forums it won't likely get you anything anyway. at least in a high level survey sort of mindset. no denying that derping on the internet could turn your 100 bux and 110 hours a week into 1k or w/e, just... who cares about that.

bounce: and I have no idea what google is up to now. so if you do site:example.com it'll substitute that as it sees fit? -- getting results out of them is getting fuzzier and fuzzier so that's no surprise, but it is annoying for those cases where I really want this exact search query and not the "properly spelled" one or whatever those US-based barbarians think I should've typed

dignork: mircea_popescu, so to exploit both bugs, on par with bitcointicker.co I

dignork: I'd register kjwhatver to make it accessible

bounce: plenty people care about winning small in the same way that wossname home traders want to feel like a trader much more than making money trading

artifexd: ;;eauth artifexd

gribble: Request successful for user artifexd, hostmask artifexd!sid28611@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xbyydcjdlhnnvhej. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/11D1433947A3327A

artifexd: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:aca8c3b4fedadc86aa1bbfe5fe456d92d8526d3b3a40225231aafe17

gribble: You are now authenticated for user artifexd with key 11D1433947A3327A

artifexd: Yay!

benkay: !down artifexd

assbot: Insufficient rights, benkay.

benkay: !up artifexd

assbot: Voicing artifexd.

artifexd: !down benkay

assbot: Insufficient rights, artifexd.

benkay: !down artifexd

assbot: Insufficient rights, benkay.

benkay: boo

artifexd: Oooo! Test

artifexd: !up artifexd

assbot: Really, artifexd?

benkay: !up benkay

assbot: Really, benkay?

benkay: really, assbot.

artifexd: Hmm... no self-pwning possible anymore.

kakobrekla: benkay cant down artifexd cause he upped himself

benkay: yeah gotcha

kakobrekla: there is still one bug left :\

bounce: only one? oh my.

kakobrekla: ok , one that i currently intend to fix

artifexd: kakobrekla: What is that bug? For, you know, science.

Azelphur: what's the point of the whole +v for 30 minutes thing anyway?

benkay: fresh blood?

mircea_popescu: bounce sure, no argument.

artifexd: The point is to, eventually, increase the signal to noise ratio.

artifexd: For now though, hey! New toy!

mircea_popescu: problem is 100 hours at minimum wage + your upfront would make more than the "winning in a small way"

mircea_popescu: i guess incultured independence is a thing, even so.

cgcardona_: i figured forcing people to register w/ their pgp/gpg keys forces some sort of accountability for your actions/words in the room.

bounce: call it a hobby and it's win-win all the way

Azelphur: I just find it annoying xD

danielpbarron: i like it

kakobrekla: artifexd telling would spoil all the fun.

Azelphur: I haven't bothered to talk much here any more since having to auth up and stuff, especially with the freenode splits recently

benkay: ;;echo !down gribble

gribble: !down gribble

Azelphur: lol

benkay: hue hue hue

kakobrekla: actually Azelphur , stats say you were relatively most active in last week

benkay: tbh kakobrekla i thought you'd fixed that one!

kakobrekla: http://stats.bitcoin-assets.com

kakobrekla: benkay that not a bug that just retards in the playground

Azelphur: yea, it's coincidence more than anything else, there's been a few times I've typed stuff in here, had it dropped because of +m and gone to speak elsewhere instead

Azelphur: I could understand accountability (no +v if you're not gribbled, or requirement of WoT ratings) but the messaging every 30 minutes is very bizarre.

kakobrekla: what?

kakobrekla: you !up yourself on pm

kakobrekla: you voice in nao permanent

kakobrekla: *for the duration of session

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19800 @ 0.00096536 = 19.1141 BTC [-] {2}

Azelphur: oh? I'm sure I remember it grumbling about 30 minutes or something, fair enough

artifexd: ;;gettrust assbot Azelphur

gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Azelphur: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 4 via 4 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=Azelphur | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Azelphur | Rated since: Mon Apr 9 00:11:58 2012

kakobrekla: yeah you can up anyone here for 30 min

Azelphur: I see

kakobrekla: but you can up yourself if you have wot

kakobrekla: then it does not have a timer

kakobrekla: and if you up yourself, you can up others, not otherwise

Azelphur: fair enough then I suppose, not as bad as I thought, only thing that would be nice is having it automate the entire process :)

Anduck: yea

kakobrekla: write a script

kakobrekla: publish it

kakobrekla: take the fame and chicks.

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13150 @ 0.00096543 = 12.6954 BTC [+]

Anduck: i'll just irc elsewhere when i'm too lazy to do /msg assbot !up

kakobrekla: sounds like it does indeed work like it should.

Anduck: indeed.

starsoccer: ;;bcauth starsoccer

gribble: Request successful for user starsoccer, hostmask starsoccer!~starsocce@207.12.89.33. Your challenge string is: freenode:#bitcoin-otc:42ade4b541beb1b9d5cd29f87d0869e645d30e8e914a85a2c3daa82a

Anduck: kakobrekla: then again, is that the purpose of this channel

ThickAsThieves: "A study in mice shows that trauma might be inherited through altered gene expression in sperm"

starsoccer: kk goived

starsoccer: kk voiced

kakobrekla: if you dont find it worth of typing !up, the content is not worthy of polluting this chan with

starsoccer: lol

ThickAsThieves: question for you guys, I have someone that never claimed their S.MG PT shares on Havelock

ThickAsThieves: now they want them

ThickAsThieves: I have them on MPEX

ThickAsThieves: but do not run the PT anymore

ThickAsThieves: should i tell them to CoinBr? or?

ThickAsThieves: offer to sell into bids for them?

ThickAsThieves: i guess i could xfer some to HL and get them to coordinate, but then, really it may be easier to just buu them on HL

ThickAsThieves: buy*

ThickAsThieves: oh lol, theyre way cheaper on HL

ThickAsThieves: nvm

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5650 @ 0.00096543 = 5.4547 BTC [+]

ThickAsThieves: wow HL is slow now huh

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SMG] 2003 @ 0.00008 = 0.1602 BTC [+]

ThickAsThieves: ALC has raised 48btc

mircea_popescu: !down artifexd

assbot: Insufficient rights, mircea_popescu.

mircea_popescu: blergh

artifexd: Ha!

Duffer1: only 11152 short of their goal

mircea_popescu: Azelphur you never USED to talk much here, like [\\\]

mircea_popescu: but since the new rules you HAVe been talking a lot

mircea_popescu: perhaps 10x past week as your prev 2 months

Duffer1: it's nice to see recent havelock scams falling flat on their faces

mircea_popescu: so it's a case of the newspaper memory hole imo

Azelphur: mircea_popescu: hehe, sort of coincidence really, but yea :)

Anduck: kakobrekla: too bad but that's a lie

Anduck: lol

kakobrekla: what is?

Anduck: just fancy sounding words

Anduck: what you said before your last line

kakobrekla: its not a lie if i honestly believe so!

ThickAsThieves: http://eater.com/archives/2014/04/11/app-offers-unlimited-coffee-at-independent-nyc-coffee-shops.php now they just need to accept bitcoin and the dream is real!

benkay: at a party last night someone said "all business transactions are fictitious" and apparently my reaction was amusing enough to justify staging a reenactment: http://imgur.com/SdbMdMf

mircea_popescu: benkay so apparently you hang out with peopple who believe whatevert they don't understand doesn't really exist

mircea_popescu: and then come up with fancy ways to dress that shit up

benkay: nobody was serious

mircea_popescu: also omfg you & your friends may be the hipsterest people i know

benkay: well you're old thats no real surprise

ThickAsThieves: didnt people at parties look like that 10 years ago too?

ThickAsThieves: is hipsterism basically dressing like it's laundry day?

benkay: glorifying being broke?

mircea_popescu: i think you may be on to something there.

mircea_popescu: both of you

bounce: "just look at me being a dork but I get away with it because I'm cooler than thou"

bounce: from what little I've seen the dress code is quite amazingly strict, though.

assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!

ThickAsThieves: and the reason i'm cooler is because i say so and i want to be

ThickAsThieves: and, and because i'm an annoying contrarian

ThickAsThieves: sum it up?

bounce: plenty places have their own distinct subcultures. japan seems to have fscktons of kinds of hipsters.

ThickAsThieves: wouldnt that make them something else?

ThickAsThieves: i thought hipsters were dudes with mustaches & suspenders, and girls in wool dresses

mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves except check this shit out : "clearly this shit works but it's a coincidence because i don't think it should or see why it would"

bounce: could try and compare https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hipster_(1940s_subculture)

ThickAsThieves: i like those hipsters better

ThickAsThieves: potheads with style

ThickAsThieves: oh wait

ThickAsThieves: "sarcastic humor, self-imposed poverty and relaxed sexual codes."

fluffypony: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/01/20/openbsd_bailed_out/

bounce: ``During the jive era of the late 1930s and early 1940s, African-Americans began to use the term hip to mean "sophisticated, fashionable and fully up-to-date"'' -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippie_(etymology)

mircea_popescu: that hipster sarcasm is the worst fucking cry for help i ever heard.

ThickAsThieves: "The words hep and hip are of uncertain origin"

ThickAsThieves: hepatitis?

mircea_popescu: it's like "please don't kick us out of here, we know we don't belong, can this count as a getoutof kicking ?"

ThickAsThieves: it's a disease and everyone wants it!

ThickAsThieves: be one of us

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3732 @ 0.00096536 = 3.6027 BTC [-]

bounce recalls some discussion about deep purple laughing about a bunch of others because they were so "out of tune with what was happening in londen at the time" -- due to having the wrong haircut

mircea_popescu: haircuts for men. definitely important.

bounce: it's the small things that mark you part of the pack

mircea_popescu: maybe that was neobee's problem

bounce: 80s, rock, long hair. yeah, haircuts are important.

mircea_popescu: denny didn't have the right ceocut.

bounce: bit late to try and sell'im that advice for 54 bitcoin

bounce: s/80s/70s/ I suppose. n'mind.

thestringpuller: ♐

thestringpuller: lol

mircea_popescu: hair metal ?

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0485 = 0.1455 BTC [-] {2}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06278234 = 0.1256 BTC [-]

asciilifeform: <robwizz22> Just so you know, I am an individual like you - NOT with any organization. I am not in any way associated with the NSA or other organization. On the other hand, you seem to be following their M.O. and trying to weaken security. You are basically simply committing fraud. What you've designed to date is totally useless and 100 times less secure than not buying any such device at all (i.e. using o

asciilifeform: ff

asciilifeform: <robwizz22> the shelf usb storage to store a private key and pass phrase). You are lying about its benefits. You've come up with something absolutely and utterly useless. If it's a scam, good job. I like how you spread FUD about me trying to "introduce heartbleed" (which doesn't make any sense - the Cardano is a USB device) when I pointed this out. You obviously are smart enough to know that is a simple a

asciilifeform: nd

asciilifeform: <robwizz22> complete lie, meant to play on people's recognition of the word "heartbleed bug" without knowing what it is. There is no SSL anywhere within 100 miles of a Cardano, nor did I ever mention it. You seem to be playing off of your audience's ignorance. Is this really want you want to be doing with your life? Selling snake oil? Being a fraud?

asciilifeform: <asciilifeform> you started out suggesting wifi and ssl. in the channel. now buzz off.

Apocalyptic: more attack vectors, \o/

asciilifeform: does sunlight only work against vampires? what does one zap spammers with?

benkay: /ignore

asciilifeform: benkay: doesn't seem to work for priv msgs.

Apocalyptic: asciilifeform, it should

benkay: asciilifeform: which widget?

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dude you're incredible. why do you keep posting that stuff ?!

bounce: /ignore you MSG would do it here.

Apocalyptic: in Xchat you have to specify a mask followed by ALL if you want to block everything

mircea_popescu: i mean the original author sorta managed to get himself excreted, for this reason. what is it, like self loathing ?

asciilifeform: ok seems like that worked.

benkay: asciilifeform dreams of trolling his 'real' purposes out of him.

bounce: http://toxin.jottit.com/xchat_ignore says PRIV NOTI

ozbot: toxin: XChat Ignore

asciilifeform: benkay: i've given up - the man's a broken record.

benkay: well it sounds as though he's progressed to calling /you/ a fraud. that's progress.

benkay: fraudgress

bounce: "this way to the egress"

benkay: wither the egrets though

bounce: and then they come back. regrets.

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.08299776 = 0.166 BTC [-]

mircea_popescu: lol regrets

mircea_popescu: aw shit my monitor's going ;/

mircea_popescu: just turned blue

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.608 BTC [+]

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: wiggled the plug?

bounce: "es leuchtet blau" -- which for some reason is not nearly as funny in the original

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.60889999 BTC [+]

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i hit it with my fist. it came back on

mircea_popescu: but you know...

asciilifeform: every nice crt i've ever owned, with or or two exceptions - eventually the raster goes

asciilifeform: usually horizontal

mircea_popescu: bounce this is the sort with the power inside

bounce: and a CRT to boot. you likes dem high voltage, no?

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.58140023 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19165 @ 0.00096423 = 18.4795 BTC [-]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.04808333 = 0.1442 BTC [-] {2}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03549 = 0.142 BTC [+]

bounce: though shouldn't be too heavy on the SMD stuff. ie, reasonably repairable.

asciilifeform: bounce: so long as the tube is alive, yes.

asciilifeform: somewhere, there probably still lives a man who can re-wind a burned yoke.

benkay: so i don't like crypto + aristocrat > cryptocrat

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.03548999 = 0.1065 BTC [-] {2}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5940001 BTC [+]

asciilifeform: and you can get flybacks still.

bounce: or source a large stack of them for parts (and get money to take'em away)

benkay: cryptocracy?

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20850 @ 0.00096327 = 20.0842 BTC [-] {2}

asciilifeform: one day, a 'virginal' high quality crt will be a mega-luxury. like stradivarius.

bounce: buy up the factory for a song

benkay: mircea_popescu BingoBoingo bitcoinpete cryptocrats? cryptocracy?

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5874999 BTC [-]

BingoBoingo: benkay: Prolly to early for a label. Wait for some lulzy incedent to reveal the proper term.

benkay: buttcoiners i guess in the meantime

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.03549 = 0.1065 BTC [+]

asciilifeform: anyone care to recommend an irc client with whitelisting feature?

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.595 BTC [+]

benkay: what do you mean by whitelisting, asciilifeform ?

asciilifeform: block all priv msgs. other than from whitelist

kakobrekla: benkay reverse blacklist :D

mircea_popescu: wayt what ?

benkay: do it yourself in erc?

fluffypony: benkay: didn't El Reg call mircea_popescu the Bitcoin Baron?

kakobrekla: a "biton"

fluffypony: heh

bounce: ircII can do that. /ignore * MSG /ignore whitelisted ^MSG

benkay: the term is "bitlord"

fluffypony: "Romanian Bitcoin baron 'stumps up $20k to keep OpenBSD's lights on'"

benkay: can't say as i have any intention of taking style cues from linkbait article titles.

kakobrekla: fluffypony are you like new or smth?

fluffypony: kakobrekla: yes

fluffypony: I'm smth

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.04979635 = 0.1992 BTC [+]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.034111 = 0.1364 BTC [-]

benkay: what fraction of the runup to 1200 can we attribute to the bitlocker virus?

benkay: and is it not a thing any more?

kakobrekla: haxors got goxxed, back to prepaid cards.

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24403 @ 0.00096735 = 23.6062 BTC [+] {3}

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11097 @ 0.0009687 = 10.7497 BTC [+]

asciilifeform: is everyone who does anything even vaguely public bedeviled by spammers?

kakobrekla: more or less yea.

fluffypony: spammers and/or trolls

mircea_popescu: yes.

mircea_popescu: anyway, assbot's 29 could be teh bitcoin barons, i see no problem.

mircea_popescu: we gotta start small, work our way up to dukery, not like some other douchebaggery, starting with dukes.

mircea_popescu: wink wink nudge nudge

mircea_popescu: benkay a fraction between 0 and epsilon.

BingoBoingo: lol, I was going to say something about it, but figured it would be more interesting to see when someone else brought up the Dukedoms

mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/AltcoinAce/status/455432343595925504

ozbot: Twitter / AltcoinAce: #CAI seeks to build 'first ...

mircea_popescu: check it out, another "first"

mircea_popescu: i suddenly had this vision of me being like, 75, and reading about this new, biggest, first bitcoin based exchange,

mircea_popescu: with options and shit.

mircea_popescu: ;;rate justusranvier 1 New blood

gribble: Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.

mircea_popescu: wait what!

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0651124 = 0.6511 BTC [+] {2}

mircea_popescu: ;;rate justusranvier 1 New blood

gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user justusranvier has been recorded.

mircea_popescu: ;;later tell justusranvier to voice yourself in -assets you id with gribble then pm assbot !up

gribble: The operation succeeded.

mircea_popescu: .d

ozbot: 6.120 billion | Next Diff in 674 blocks | Estimated Change: 10.3317% in 4d 4h 39m 26s

ThickAsThieves: Estimated Next Difficulty:7,131,644,633 (+16.54%)

ThickAsThieves: from https://bitcoinwisdom.com/bitcoin/difficulty

mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i was looking athte 9bn bet. seems a lock.

ThickAsThieves: it's getting tough to tell now

ThickAsThieves: at some point 15% is a shit ton of hash

mircea_popescu: yeah

mircea_popescu: that point being right abnout now lol.

mircea_popescu: http://stats.bitcoin-assets.com/ < is it me or is the day of april 12th pretty much giving us the finger ?

ozbot: #bitcoin-assets stats

ThickAsThieves: you just like seeing boners in in your ta

mircea_popescu: also possible.

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9050 @ 0.00096876 = 8.7673 BTC [+] {2}

mircea_popescu: ;;rate kanzure New blood

gribble: Error: 'New' is not a valid integer.

mircea_popescu: ;;rate kanzure 1 New blood

gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.

mircea_popescu: derp.

mircea_popescu: kanzure srsly, get in teh wot.

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 32 @ 0.00691276 = 0.2212 BTC [-] {4}

mircea_popescu: ;;rate tomservo 1 New blood

gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.

mircea_popescu: !up garret

assbot: Voicing garret for 30 minutes.

mircea_popescu: ;;later tell TomServo get in wot wouldja ?

gribble: The operation succeeded.

jurov: ThickAsThieves: if these S.MG peeps can auth with btc address, i can just add them to list at https://coinbr.com/btct/nampt_1

jurov: oh i should update prices/dividends

mircea_popescu: stop giving the frenchie so much voice, you'll wear it out.

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 20 @ 0.00710883 = 0.1422 BTC [+]

davout: the voice system sort of works like this https://xkcd.com/481/

mircea_popescu: http://37.media.tumblr.com/70aa104a77459cd6d4986f9008307a47/tumblr_mlpy1jO2hV1qcgltko1_500.jpg

mircea_popescu: btw, you ever seen les veinards ?

davout: no

mircea_popescu: !up kanzure

assbot: Voicing kanzure for 30 minutes.

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.58001098 = 2.32 BTC [-] {3}

mircea_popescu: it's my favourite french comedy for today

mircea_popescu: !up AltcoinAce

assbot: Voicing AltcoinAce for 30 minutes.

mircea_popescu: ;;topic

gribble: http://bitcoin-assets.com || http://log.bitcoin-assets.com || http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com || http://blogs.bitcoin-assets.com

mircea_popescu: AltcoinAce this is the bitcoin assets channel. these are the people. up there are the logs. have fun!

AltcoinAce: interesting

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.57819097 = 6.3601 BTC [-] {10}

davout: i'll put it on my list

jurov: AltcoinAce you run some altcoin business?

AltcoinAce: Im just a trader

AltcoinAce: tis all

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.57500001 = 2.875 BTC [-] {2}

mircea_popescu: mostly for le vison. mireille d'arc / jacqueline monsigny

mircea_popescu: AltcoinAce what do you trade ?

AltcoinAce: currently focusing on alts and btc

AltcoinAce: Im working with some ppl

AltcoinAce: and learning before I move up to other stuff

AltcoinAce: will be trading forex soon

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 114 @ 0.0055646 = 0.6344 BTC [-] {8}

AltcoinAce: but crpyto is a good market to be in right now

mircea_popescu: sounds good.

AltcoinAce: everyday you can make 10-500% profit

AltcoinAce: doesnt happen in most markets haha

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1199 @ 0.00015 = 0.1799 BTC [-] {2}

mircea_popescu: !t h hif

assbot: [HAVELOCK:HIF] 1D: 0.00013712 / 0.00014521 / 0.00019348 (3360 shares, 0.48789385 BTC), 7D: 0.00010000 / 0.00024261 / 0.00042000 (30193 shares, 7.32523363 BTC), 30D: 0.00010000 / 0.00032505 / 0.00051299 (74487 shares, 24.21198821 BTC)

mircea_popescu: ;;rate novusordo 1 New blood

gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user novusordo has been recorded.

mircea_popescu: ;;later tell novusordo to voice yourself in assets you id with gribble then pm assbot !up

gribble: The operation succeeded.

kanzure: mircea_popescu: can you try rating me again pls

kanzure: ouch: 14:45 <assbot> You need a better WOT rating. (level 2 with assbot >0)

mircea_popescu: ;;rate kanzure 1 New blood

gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user kanzure has been recorded.

kanzure: exciting

jurov: ;;rate kanzure 1 i have seen your github

gribble: Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.

mircea_popescu: !down jurov

assbot: mircea_popescu, you can't do that to jurov.

mircea_popescu: awww!

jurov: lol

mircea_popescu: jurov is 4ever alone because assbot cockblocks

kanzure: what is the type of unit for the number i provide to the rate command?

jurov: ;;rate kanzure 1 i have seen your github

gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user kanzure has been recorded.

kanzure: eg why 1 instead of 0.1 ?

mircea_popescu: kanzure in [-10, 10]

jurov: ;;rate kanzure 0.000001 i have seen your github

gribble: Error: '0.000001' is not a valid integer.

kanzure: gribble is a hater

mircea_popescu: he's just got his integrity.

jurov: you can't have fractional trust or distrust

kanzure: so i should read this as '10 trusts'?

mircea_popescu: first off, you don't need fractions, you could just as well increase the max for same effect

mircea_popescu: second off, 10 levels is plenty. how fine can your brain work ?

bounce: pfft. and there I was, wanting to rate 3.1415927. can't doo that. boo!

mircea_popescu: so round.

jurov: kanzure: you should read the comments, numbers are just numbers

mircea_popescu: a 3 is just as good as a pee to a blind bat

bounce: then we'll just have to stick to biblical notions of "round", no?

jurov: what's biblical notion of round?

jurov: oh that was the answer? mkay

bounce: 1 kings 7 verse 23

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24050 @ 0.00096907 = 23.3061 BTC [+] {2}

mircea_popescu: "Amazing: @Chase just cancelled my debit card because a merchant may or may not have been hacked. They didn't call. Won't tell me who."

ThickAsThieves: thanks jurov, i'll keep it in mind, it's so few people/shares at this point that I doubt it'll happen much more

mircea_popescu: you know this completely blows me away. there's like... 2 assets on hl that didn't lose most of the investor's money, and the total investment in them was... bitcents ?

mircea_popescu: meanwhile all sorts of bizarre shit supposedly gets 100s of btc, if not k's.

mircea_popescu: it just dun compute this.

ThickAsThieves: as suspected in the past, they may be satsisfying an urge to gamble, not invest

mircea_popescu: !up Tiraspol

assbot: Voicing Tiraspol for 30 minutes.

Tiraspol: O_o

mircea_popescu: nice name :p

mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/455466740181655552 << stacy herbert :D

ozbot: Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: How's your Aurora scamcoin ...

kakobrekla: she was behind aurora?

mircea_popescu: she works for max keiser. they were pumping it together.

mircea_popescu: it's not clear if they actually owned it or just shill for pay, but after all what the hell's the difference.

kakobrekla: aha

ThickAsThieves: maxcoin is now below novacoin in market cap

ThickAsThieves: "market cap"

ThickAsThieves: AUR just below it

mircea_popescu: such success. much well done.

ThickAsThieves: meanwhile doge sitting at $27m

mircea_popescu: sure, just as long as the scammers pushing it own 99.99% of it all.

ThickAsThieves: Altcoin still not on the list

mircea_popescu: and should anyone sell and it drop another 50%, why, they'll just hardfork it again

asciilifeform: http://bindshell.nl/epixoip/cloudflare_key.png

asciilifeform: from:

asciilifeform: https://gist.github.com/silky/10577464

ozbot: cloudflare_challenge

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform tweeted it :D

asciilifeform: a bit stale news, sorry. but i think it notable.

mircea_popescu: i like teh pic.

asciilifeform: wonder if i'm the only one who automatically thought 'diversion' when the heartbleed crap came out.

mircea_popescu: moar like warning shot.

asciilifeform: as if there is such a thing as a kitchen with exactly one roach.

mircea_popescu: or you meant of cloudflare's reaction ?

asciilifeform: nah, of the 'bug' being made public, with catchy name & logo.

mircea_popescu: if you're going to humiliate, might as well humiliate in detail.

joecool: !up

assbot: Need a nickname, joecool.

mircea_popescu: !up urmom

assbot: Voicing urmom for 30 minutes.

asciilifeform: shadow führer decides that a certain pwnhole has outlived its useful life, decides to create a 'dangle' (i believe this is the english technical term for 'слив')

mircea_popescu: the problem with the shadow fuhrer is that he couldn't conceivably find a reason to be bothered with actual holes.

mircea_popescu: he'd be much happier in the realm of shadow-holes.

mod6: kakobrekla: do you run blockr.io?

asciilifeform: the purpose of 'hearbleed' et al isn't traffic intercept. (why intercept when you have root on the 'cloud' crapfarms?)

kakobrekla: mod6 no

mod6: ok

asciilifeform: it's to 'bake terrorists'

asciilifeform: create/modify arbitrary turds in mid-flight.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform think strategically. 1. "you didn't know we knew, did you ? fail" vs 2. "you didn't know we knew, did you ? OR that a website was all ready to go. just how fucking inept are you, can't find a website, srsly ?"

mircea_popescu: 2 is much better.

mircea_popescu: mod6 iirc kakobrekla knew the people running it

kakobrekla: knows

mircea_popescu: kako knoes

bounce: baking is terrism now?

asciilifeform: ;;google new york death ray plot

gribble: Assassination threats against Barack Obama - Wikipedia, the free ...: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_threats_against_Barack_Obama>; Man Pleads Guilty in Plot to Build Mobile Death Ray | Global ...: <http://www.nti.org/gsn/article/man-pleads-guilty-plot-build-mobile-death-ray/>; New York men arrested for building death ray machine in plot to kill ...: (1 more message)

mircea_popescu: jhahahaha what

asciilifeform: classic product of the bakery.

mod6: ahh, im gonna write to them. my atc bot sends up http requests to get some json back so we can do things like: last_block, diff, etc. but from time to time, my host/ip seems to get tar-pitted. even for a low threshold.

mircea_popescu: "In 2013, two men from upstate New York were arrested after building a radioactive "death ray" device and plotting to use it against Muslims"

mod6: Wonder if they would white-list me to a higher threshold for coins.

mircea_popescu: what the fuck is a radioactive death ray.

asciilifeform: s/building/buying from insistent fbi stoolies

mircea_popescu: is it like bottled pedophilia racism carbon ?

bounce: not some shrewd 20something with a datafeed brokerage yet?

bounce: and get paid by both sides, why not

asciilifeform: a gaggle of idiots was prodded, by american police, into paying to have a (physically wildly implausible) x-ray cannon 'built'

asciilifeform: and before that, a steady stream of morons who paid for (fake) 'sterela' units

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform is there any proof whatsoever this charade included anything other/different from the soviet wrecker "confessions" ?

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not afaik.

bounce: the us "justice" system appears to be a, waht was it, chumpatron with press gangs

bounce: s/waht/what/

asciilifeform: *strela

mircea_popescu: bounce not yet. whole shebang build to make him possible since at least 2012, yet he's not here yet.

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1500 @ 0.00013181 = 0.1977 BTC [-] {7}

mircea_popescu: all sorts of fake-shrewd 20yo morons however, humping the "first best largest" delusion humptrain

mircea_popescu: from atop, it's kinda fascinating/shocking just how moronic people are.

asciilifeform: the 'a) wanna buy strela? b) fuck off c) really, dontcha? b) ok sure c) off to jail' thing has been going so long that it doesn't even make national news every time now.

bounce: hm. maybe I should try and fake this 20something for a bit then.

mircea_popescu: da fuck is strela

asciilifeform: ;;google strela rocket

gribble: Strela (rocket) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strela_(rocket)>; Strela 2 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strela_2>; Russian Strela rocket launches Kondor satellite | NASASpaceFlight ...: <http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2013/06/strela-rocket-launch-kondor-e/>

mircea_popescu: uh why do they want a rocket ?

mircea_popescu: bounce easier for you to fake being 20 than for bona fide 20yos to fake having a brain

asciilifeform: devil only knows

asciilifeform: ;;google strela manpad

gribble: Strela 2 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strela_2>; Man-portable air-defense systems - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man-portable_air-defense_systems>; SA-7 GRAIL (9K32M Strela-2): <http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/missile/row/sa-7.htm>

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform are they also going to launch it from their asshole, like fireworks ?

asciilifeform: that one.

bounce: oh lookit, a stealth compliment. still, looks like work. where's me overalls?

asciilifeform: not the fat rocket. the thin one.

mircea_popescu: even so

asciilifeform: comes with tube.

mircea_popescu: wasn't it a 3 month training course to be cleared with those ?

asciilifeform: analogous to american 'stinger'

mircea_popescu: not that analoguous

bounce: this one then? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strela_2

asciilifeform: that one.

bounce: strela 1: big fat rocket. strela 2: weight watchers "rocket"

mircea_popescu: widely exported, and perhaps the #1 cause of friendly fire casualties in "unorganised" conflcits

asciilifeform: yeah, ir sensor doesn't care who the tailpipe it flies into belongs to.

bounce: not the antitank thingy with the big head?

mircea_popescu: aren't these a bitch to properly discharge, have to handle the tube as itlaunches ?

mircea_popescu: bounce this is an surface-to-air thing

asciilifeform: if they sold faux 'stingers,' not even the dumbest 'candidate' would believe.

asciilifeform: re: 'wreckers' - correct. since the entire raison d'etre of the u.s. security apparatus is now 'terrorism' - well, the fireman, absent a fire, buys a box of matches.

asciilifeform: the reason to bring this crapfest up - u.s. 'intelligence' apparatus has a number of purposes quite apart, and difficult to confuse for, intelligence.

asciilifeform: (and 'sawing apart' the public purse isn't the only such)

mircea_popescu: i entirely fail to see how "combing upstate ny for hilbillies inept enough to imagine they can fire magic death upon random targets" is in any sense the business of intel.

mircea_popescu: more importantly, any intelligent people remaining have a lot of trouble continuing to do anything worthwhile in such an environment.

asciilifeform: it's the business of traditional goons, e.g. fbi. intel is 'classy.' rather create a sinner by injecting packets.

mircea_popescu: imagine a start-up where the entire office did nothing but play minigolf all day.

asciilifeform: not to plant evidence for any court, of course. for the consumption of... fellow 'intel' folks.

asciilifeform: start-up where the entire office did nothing but play minigolf << that's the sv norm, no?

mircea_popescu: these days i guess.

mircea_popescu: !up punkman

assbot: Voicing punkman for 30 minutes.

mircea_popescu: ;;rate punkman 1 New blood

gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user punkman has been recorded.

asciilifeform: 'sheikh khalid goatfuckeiman encodes instructions for mujaheddeen in his sheep porn gifs.' - 'unfortunately, he doesn't. sometimes a sheep is only a sheep.' - 'let's see what we can do.'

asciilifeform: year later, drone strike, medals.

mircea_popescu: kakobrekla 137 : 92.

mircea_popescu: mwahahaha

asciilifeform: this is actually a very tame hypothesis. intel agencies traditionally plant dangles for their colleagues of other (not necessarily unfriendly) kingdoms. and, given the u.s. being a fractured empire, why not dangles for... their fellows.

mircea_popescu: that's for a long time been the lol of alltime.

mircea_popescu: there was a secret special dept in teh fsb dedicated to exactly this.

asciilifeform: sure was.

mircea_popescu: help state fight defense and so forth

asciilifeform: anyone remember the '20% of all gifs contain stego' newsbit?

asciilifeform: ages ago.

asciilifeform: can't say that i personally tested.

asciilifeform: but, if fact, the above would be a parsimonious explanation.

asciilifeform: ye read it here phurst (tm).

mircea_popescu: how would you test such a thing.

mircea_popescu: "20% of everything women says includes subtext"

mircea_popescu: well... gl ?

asciilifeform: almost by definition, you can only 'test' for piss-poor stego.

mircea_popescu: !up veeminer

assbot: Voicing veeminer for 30 minutes.

asciilifeform: simplest scheme - straight payload in low bits of colour channels.

mircea_popescu: !up ishauli

assbot: Voicing ishauli for 30 minutes.

asciilifeform: extract, test for known file headers

mircea_popescu: ----BEGIN

mircea_popescu: etc

mircea_popescu: incidentally : gpg armored lends itself splendidly to stego : the payload byte is only a few bits

asciilifeform: stego that doesn't 'scream stego' is a whole art.

asciilifeform: the only purpose of 'encode obvious payload in low colour bits' is as a university class demo. and for planting.

asciilifeform: then again, the folks who (see mp's essay) reinvented caesar's cipher might well use it.

asciilifeform: or we shall be told that they do.

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3134 @ 0.00096745 = 3.032 BTC [-]

asciilifeform: http://www.woodmann.com/fravia/stego.htm

asciilifeform: (good intro to subject)

bounce: for some reason I can never actually read much of fravia.

asciilifeform: (don't bother writing to herr fravia re: stego or his famous cracking tutorials. he's dead.)

kakobrekla: mircea_popescu 92 ??

kakobrekla: you mean 123

kakobrekla: if i was a whore id be at 200+

kakobrekla: now im just an idiot.

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 200 @ 0.00074988 = 0.15 BTC [-]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 306 @ 0.00074988 = 0.2295 BTC [-] {2}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 250 @ 0.00078 = 0.195 BTC [+] {2}

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22000 @ 0.00096537 = 21.2381 BTC [-]

jurov: http://hugelolcdn.com/i/264763.gif

mircea_popescu: i was on the sent tab for some reason

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16756 @ 0.00096326 = 16.1404 BTC [-] {3}

mircea_popescu: !up Visitor_

assbot: Voicing Visitor_ for 30 minutes.

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6694 @ 0.00096109 = 6.4335 BTC [-]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24600 @ 0.00096745 = 23.7993 BTC [+]

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20680 @ 0.00096916 = 20.0422 BTC [+] {2}

mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/677/bitcoin-network-difficulty-14bn-on-bastille-day/

ozbot: BitBet - Bitcoin network difficulty > 14Bn on Bastille day

mircea_popescu: 2 months away is like... 4-5 periods

mircea_popescu: .d

ozbot: 6.120 billion | Next Diff in 663 blocks | Estimated Change: 9.7849% in 4d 3h 38m 22s

Apocalyptic: dat diff

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10904 @ 0.00096987 = 10.5755 BTC [+]

mircea_popescu: ;;calc 14/6.12

gribble: 2.28758169935

mircea_popescu: ;;calc 1.23**4

gribble: 2.28886641

mircea_popescu: basically needs 23% each time. this ain't happening.

cgcardona_: the difficulty is freaking exploding.

cgcardona_: no connection to the price. all based on speculation of the future value of a coin right?

mircea_popescu: Resolution: in 3 months 2 days. that's more like 6 periods actually.

kakobrekla: cgcardona_ no, all based on preorders

cgcardona_: kakobrekla: ah, good point

mircea_popescu: cgcardona_ not really. the relatively high pricing of the usd is based on (baseless) speculation of its future value.

mircea_popescu: ;;calc 1.194**6

gribble: 2.89751678698

mircea_popescu: still 19% seems a push.

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2200 @ 0.00096578 = 2.1247 BTC [-]

mircea_popescu: !up JorgePasada

assbot: Voicing JorgePasada for 30 minutes.

JorgePasada: Heyo :-)

JorgePasada: Thanks for the voice

mircea_popescu: sure.

cgcardona_: this is the only room i've been in where voice actually means something.

cgcardona_: usually its the "i'm kinda in the club" flag

cgcardona_: imo

mircea_popescu: interesting

JorgePasada: :-)

mircea_popescu: kinda the same here no ?

mircea_popescu: JorgePasada i guess now you gotta bug benkay to rate you

JorgePasada: That reminds me, we should have a euro version of the ATM prototyped within 3 weeks

JorgePasada: bill acceptor is different so we need a diff case

cgcardona_: the way I view it here is (per trilema) this is a room for professionals. we tie our identity to our gpg keys so there's accountability. Granted I've only been in the room a week so what do I know?

mircea_popescu: eh what the hey.

mircea_popescu: ;;rate JorgePasada 1 New blood.

gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.

mircea_popescu: tsk. get in the wot will you.

cgcardona_: my point exactly ^

mircea_popescu: cgcardona_ but technically it's like... "i'm in the club", as in, "i am a barber"

mircea_popescu: or w/e, "a barrister"

cgcardona_: as in 'this room isn't a room where anyone can talk about shoes. it's a room where shoe makers can talk about anything.' ?

kakobrekla: just dont mention purses.

cgcardona_: ha

cgcardona_: #purses-assets

mircea_popescu: the bitcoin pourse ?

mircea_popescu: no wait. the pitcoin pourse

artifexd: <mircea_popescu> kakobrekla 137 : 92 << What's that about?

kakobrekla: AND ITS NOT 92

kakobrekla: dammit.

artifexd: Ok. Still... what is it about?

kakobrekla: im not telling until the result of the equation is less than 1

artifexd: Ah. WOT rating total. Current would be 137:123

asciilifeform: http://arno1251.livejournal.com/301421.html

artifexd: ;;rate kakobrekla 1 Runs assbot

gribble: Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.

artifexd: ;;rate kakobrekla 1 Runs assbot

gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user kakobrekla has been recorded.

artifexd: 137:124

kakobrekla: awww, ty. 13 to go.

kakobrekla: lemme grab two socks real quick.

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6600 @ 0.00096987 = 6.4011 BTC [+]

mircea_popescu: artifexd we've had this thing going for ... 2 years now ?

mircea_popescu: and moar like 139:124. mwahahaha

asciilifeform: from the freakshow:

asciilifeform: (in all major languages!)

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.06281638 = 1.0051 BTC [-] {5}

BingoBoingo: Update on the Emperor's Clothing racket http://oglaf.com/sextiles/

thestringpuller: ;;seen mod6

gribble: mod6 was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 hours, 36 minutes, and 27 seconds ago: <mod6> Wonder if they would white-list me to a higher threshold for coins.

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5752001 BTC [+]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 15884 @ 0.00011316 = 1.7974 BTC [-] {41}

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6548 @ 0.00096578 = 6.3239 BTC [-]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4116 @ 0.00012309 = 0.5066 BTC [+] {4}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1468 @ 0.00012251 = 0.1798 BTC [-] {2}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 43 @ 0.05026895 = 2.1616 BTC [+] {7}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.035 = 0.21 BTC [+]

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3532 @ 0.0001138 = 0.4019 BTC [-] {3}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.05071427 = 0.355 BTC [+] {4}

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.05158326 = 0.3095 BTC [+] {4}

thestringpuller: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/22t5se/bitcoin_as_a_store_of_value_for_exactly_one_year/

assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9900 @ 0.00096047 = 9.5087 BTC [-] {2}

cgcardona_: This chart blew my mind http://imgur.com/78Rz5KL

cgcardona_: the network effect of finance

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.57999993 = 1.74 BTC [+] {2}

kakobrekla: http://i.imgur.com/zprtjRx.jpg

assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5910001 BTC [+]

TestingUnoDosTre: ^isn't that a joke

TestingUnoDosTre: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeYau6jH1eE this guy can make a living doing terrorist jokes, but when a little white girl does something retarded like sending a tweet claiming to be some foreigner the FBI gets involved

ozbot: Jeff Dunham-Achmed The Dead Terroist - YouTube

kakobrekla: nah fuck the fbi, its her reaction.

mircea_popescu: cgcardona_ seems more like a fitted graph than anything. where did they get the n ?

mircea_popescu: kakobrekla lol

cgcardona_: not sure where they got the data honestly. need to research deeper.

cgcardona_: the first time I saw it I thought it was fake because it fit so well.

cgcardona_: i'll see if I can dig up the reddit thread

TestingUnoDosTre: Actually, she is a huge Bieber fan, lock her in solitary and the world will be a better place

mircea_popescu: kakobrekla https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/455530340682330112 :D

cgcardona_: i think it's funny how you can see the large dip in the green line which is the green line. I'm wondering if that is just bad data or there really were just that many fewer addresses used those days

cgcardona_: *green line which is the green line* <----huh?

cgcardona_: *which is the unique addresses used per day

kakobrekla: i dunno mp just dont take my ip, i got just this one.

mircea_popescu: cgcardona_ actually they're using every trick in the book. most any two natural curves will look "fitted" in a log 10 graph

mircea_popescu: i would say upon examination this is exactly typical of the reddit mental process. very circular, very brandy futility.

thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/bitcoin-assets-m/#footnote_0_53902 << i'll send you cookies :P lol