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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03401 = 0.1701 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31750 @ 0.0009592 = 30.4546 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0669 = 0.1338 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9027 @ 0.00096181 = 8.6823 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7883 @ 0.00096288 = 7.5904 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58805 @ 0.00096342 = 56.6539 BTC [+] {3}
jurov: imsogay, morning wood, eh?
jurov: context for poor logreaders: *** [\\\\\\\\\\\\\\] is now known as [\\\]
moiety: something up with nickserv atm?
jurov: no just imsaguy swelling and shrinking
cgcardona_: yea nickserv's laggin for me too
cgcardona_: nickswerve
jurov: there are helluva splits... i was here alone for half hour
[\]: jurov, it is saturday night after all ;)
[\]: jurov, we lost some hubs.
jurov: lucky you
jurov: i have sunday morning
jurov: and not slept at all
jurov: :(
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20800 @ 0.00096415 = 20.0543 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.00096254 = 5.1015 BTC [-]
cgcardona_: yea that split was brutal.
cgcardona_: I just shut down my client for the whole time cause I was all alone
cgcardona_: foreveralone.jpg
moiety: jurov: what time is it with you? ive not slept wither, 7:09 here
moiety: either*
jurov: 8:09
moiety: dont wantto miss something at 7:35 // ahh kk why didn't you sleep?
cgcardona_: ;;gettrust assbot
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user cgcardona_ to user assbot: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: Fri Apr 11 02:04:55 2014
jurov: i was nervous and could not calm down
jurov: most likely explanation is that i'm in love and wanted to be with him yest
jurov: but he had no time for completely stupid reasons
jurov: *nervous -> upset
cgcardona_: how do I get on assbot"s wot?
cgcardona_: wow that sentence reads strangely
jurov: bribe someone that's in assbot's trust list?
cgcardona_: ah I see
cgcardona_: got it
cgcardona_: I'm still trying to fully understand the wot
cgcardona_: wotupwidit
jurov: :)
jurov: it's really not so hard, just become slave to a piece of shitty code that has something to do with mpex
jurov: and then you can enjoy the privileges
jurov: wow i'm still really in bad mood.. better go retry sleep now
moiety: hope you feel better after a sleep jurov
cgcardona_: ;;gettrust mgk
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user cgcardona_ to user mgk: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: never
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9600 @ 0.00096254 = 9.2404 BTC [-]
fluffypony: ;;ident
gribble: Nick 'fluffypony', with hostmask 'fluffypony!', is not identified.
fluffypony: netsplits.
moiety: nickserv is having a stroke today
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.00570001 = 0.114 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: !ticker m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00095065 / 0.00096401 / 0.00097614 (483530 shares, 466.13 BTC), 7D: 0.00095065 / 0.00097926 / 0.00101 (3222682 shares, 3,155.86 BTC), 30D: 0.00079506 / 0.00091781 / 0.00101 (23383307 shares, 21,461.45 BTC)
thestringpuller: !last m s.mpoe
assbot: Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.00096254 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31750 @ 0.00095984 = 30.4749 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5650 @ 0.0009559 = 5.4008 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0347946 = 0.1044 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29597 @ 0.00096304 = 28.5031 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16500 @ 0.00096415 = 15.9085 BTC [+]
bounce: ``[Erik Naggum] disliked C++, though not as much as he hated Perl, but he generally thought that C++ was too difficult to understand to such a degree that only about 5 people on the planet truly understood it and hence was of little value for humanity.'' (wikipedia) -- how's that for an elitist language, eh. jealous much? *gdr*
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17150 @ 0.00096456 = 16.5422 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12150 @ 0.00096123 = 11.6789 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7850 @ 0.00095332 = 7.4836 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23203 @ 0.00095249 = 22.1006 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell TestingUnoDosTre yes
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: jurov: but he had no time for completely stupid reasons << aww!
mircea_popescu: omfg teh butthurt!
mircea_popescu: also, fresh from the pointless factoids department: every day this week days is gonna be the same backwards. 4/12/14 through 4/19/14.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17500 @ 0.00095492 = 16.7111 BTC [+]
bounce: what silly backward country are you in, anyway?
mircea_popescu: romania. what gave it away ?
bounce: the nuxi problems
mircea_popescu: ;;google "nuxi problem"
gribble: NUXI problem - <>; Endianness - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <>; The nuxi problem: <>
mircea_popescu: da fuck ?!
mircea_popescu: oh oh bwahaha
mircea_popescu: i'll have you known that the biggest endian fail is MIDDLE ENDIAN
mircea_popescu: like you know, teh us does it.
bounce: hence ISO8601. and yet...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 37 @ 0.06568952 = 2.4305 BTC [-] {5}
bounce: just read through defusedxml's list of things that can go wrong with xml. just have to wonder how those financial types using FIX handle this, if at all.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 63 @ 0.0055853 = 0.3519 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.57600103 BTC [-]
jurov: hm, seems like mircea_popescu recently got a propensity to solutions that break under bad external circumstances
jurov: it took assbot 5 minutes to give me voice
jurov: because gribble is slow
jurov: anyway, i just read ethereum "yellow paper"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19200 @ 0.0009602 = 18.4358 BTC [+] {2}
jurov: it has a feel of rogirous math publication, yet it's brimming with unsolved problems
jurov: *rigorous
jurov: such as, turing-complete computations are bounded and paid for by "gas" allocated
bounce: but! aristocracy! can't make things too easy, don't you know.
jurov: yet i don't see a good nethod to verify gas expended without redoing whoiole computation
mircea_popescu: jurov you shouldn't have voice anyway because not enough sleep!
jurov: yea, and it strives to avoid evil ASICs but as presumably they can't think of one, it will start with a placeholder one
mircea_popescu: i suggest you learn from one man's discipline!
jurov: i did sleep some, it helped :)
jurov: *one = proof of work function
mircea_popescu: now that's a fucking accomplishment, excess flood while muted. guy prolly went all spaz
mircea_popescu: !up MCM-Mike
assbot: Voicing MCM-Mike for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: nanotube dja need some help hosting gribble ?
jurov reads
jurov: mircea u got cockblocked too or what?
mircea_popescu: what's that ?
jurov: ;;ud cockblocked
gribble: | Cockblocked. when you are going to hookup with some chick and then someone (her friend, cousin, whatever) comes in and sees to it that it doesnt happen.
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: Cockblocked
jurov: or what inspired you for that blog
mircea_popescu: ahahahaha this is a thing ?
mircea_popescu: i wish to see it sometime. but anyway, no, just the notion of attaching penalty to speech makes me want to attach speech to the entire matter.
mircea_popescu: and also, goats.
fluffypony: yeah it's happened to me before
fluffypony: normally when her friend/sister knows you and your reputation
fluffypony: and wants to "save" her from you
fluffypony: so she hangs around whining about how much the place sucks and she wants to go home
fluffypony: and every joke you make she keeps a deadpan face and says "that isn't funny"
mircea_popescu: fluffypony this always happens. girl decides to fly over to be my slave, family hosts an intervention, we laugh at it afterwards.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: hah, interventions are for quitters
mircea_popescu: same principle.
mircea_popescu: "do what a buncha dorks getting in your face tell you to"
mircea_popescu: sorta like marketeer's wet dream.
moiety: dafuq is going in that picture?
moiety: actually i dont want to know
moiety: - 'Discipline has been good for me' -
fluffypony: I'd like to thank my detention center
mircea_popescu: i guess this increments my forum extraditions by one.
moiety: jail?
moiety: i think they should host btctalk over in china for a bit
fluffypony: !market
fluffypony: wrong channel
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 18 @ 0.0075 = 0.135 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 18 @ 0.06456009 = 1.1621 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: !up cedivad
assbot: Voicing cedivad for 30 minutes.
fluffypony: "Why this matters. Bitcoin is powerful. Bitcoin is wealthy. We do not need to make these people our enemies."
mircea_popescu: fluffypony a little late for that.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell cedivad to be voiced in #bitcoin-assets, first you id with gribble, then you pm assbot !up
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: ;;rate cedivad 1
gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
mircea_popescu: !up CheckDavid
assbot: Voicing CheckDavid for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: !up cedivad
assbot: Voice for cedivad extended to 30 minutes.
cedivad: my lazy client is simply reconnecting automatically every time that i power it on/off... Not sure of why i should be "voiced"?
mircea_popescu: just making sure you know how if you want to.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2488 @ 0.00095429 = 2.3743 BTC [-]
cedivad: well, i've nothing smart to say, i'm sorry. I've just finished to write a complaint i will send to the public inquiry unit of california, nothing interesting (hashfast sucks)
cedivad: btw i fixed the stupid bug that made lose posts every night starting from 3am
mircea_popescu: lol well you never know, maybe something smart strikes :D
mircea_popescu: did your hashfast chips blow out ?
cedivad: nah, i simply never received them, you know, arbitration against them, they will probably take everything they can out of the company and declare bankrupcty
mircea_popescu: o wow srsly ? i thought they were actually delivering.
cedivad: they haven't delivered shit during the last month or two; they are mining themselves probably
cedivad: and ship it as a MPP in a few months
mircea_popescu: ah so they shipped some units earlier in the year to lure more orders then just stopped basically ?!
cedivad: basically, yes
cedivad: they are using third parties to claim to be bankrupted (using it as an excuse for the delay in shipping)
mircea_popescu: pretty fucking scandalous.
cedivad: and in the meanwhile they are selling their chips to third parties (like vmc)
mircea_popescu: basically the list of mining companies that don't also turn scams is vanishingly slow.
cedivad: nothing is scandalous anymore in the mining industry... what i would love is to see them stopped and in jail
mircea_popescu: at most they run for a year or two
mircea_popescu: s/slow/short
ozbot: List of Lies - HashFast Wiki
cedivad: yeah, i wrote that
cedivad: the home page is more of a good read
mircea_popescu: you gotta start a blog sometime.
cedivad: and what should i talk about? hashfast? :D
mircea_popescu: inconfutable isn't english. irrefutable or incontrovertible.
mircea_popescu: cedivad the reason i say blog is because you seem to have a lot to talk about. bitcointalk, hashfast, etc.
cedivad: basically by forcing them to disclose the delivery dates in the contract with TSMC you could have a smoking gun to use against them in a fraud proceeding
mircea_popescu: seems bitcoin infrastructure needs an overhaul.
cedivad: * irrefutable fixed
mircea_popescu: anyway, car's here, ima bbl.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4712 @ 0.00095429 = 4.4966 BTC [-]
jurov: !up cedivad
assbot: Voicing cedivad for 30 minutes.
jurov: i don't write very often on the blog. but it's good to have.
cedivad: i actually have one, but i never really wrote about hashfast, or any other of my web-related experiences (i manage some really huge websites)...
jurov: gonna start sometime
jurov: if for nothing else, there need to be more sane voices
kakobrekla: mornin
Apocalyptic: mornin
Apocalyptic: heh completely bugged because of btc-e down
Apocalyptic: kakobrekla, tell your guys they can add timeouts on queries on external websites you know
kakobrekla: works here?
Apocalyptic: weird then
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55172 @ 0.00096143 = 53.044 BTC [+] {4}
benkay: asciilifeform, mircea_popescu: google did the same thing with python. spot/coopt an emerging thingy of whatever quality, hire its writers and most active folks, all of a sudden you have access to the best talent in newlang world. speshully the young and easily bamboozled, who get to 'work' 'closely' with the designers of their language.
thestringpuller: go to bed
thestringpuller: benkay teach me lisp
BingoBoingo: ;;rate HeySteve 1 Did a thing with words
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user HeySteve has been recorded.
thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: did you get that thing i sent you?
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Yeah, thanks
thestringpuller: i need to update it
thestringpuller: maybe you can help. eventually i was hoping to have a script that pulled an insult from the list...
BingoBoingo: Maybe. I'd need to github set up
HeySteve: (•_•) ( •_•)>⌐■-■ (⌐■_■)
benkay: thestringpuller: got plenty of sleep, tyvm.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16400 @ 0.00096344 = 15.8004 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 413.0, Best ask: 413.71, Bid-ask spread: 0.71000, Last trade: 413.71, 24 hour volume: 5564.69687928, 24 hour low: 411.17, 24 hour high: 429.0, 24 hour vwap: 420.893588881
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.594 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.57850062 = 1.157 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.57600136 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5880001 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.585 = 1.17 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.585 = 1.17 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5809999 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5890001 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.585 = 1.17 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.585 = 1.17 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.585 = 1.17 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5809999 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.585 = 1.17 BTC [+] {2}
ozbot: Charge Your Phone in 30 Seconds? An Israeli Firm Says It Can - Digits - WSJ
ozbot: Log In - The New York Times
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.585 = 1.17 BTC [+] {2}
ThickAsThieves: such fucking doublespeak
ThickAsThieves: they're all like We now have rules that gov should report discovered flaws, but yknow, we wont report shit if we like it that way
ThickAsThieves: so, no news
ozbot: Andreessen: Beware Non-Silicon Valley Investors Bearing High Valuations - Venture Capital Dispatch
benkay: wish i had problems like that
ThickAsThieves: username dignork is sending spam pm's
BingoBoingo: How spammy?
pankkake: ;;ident dignork
gribble: Nick 'dignork', with hostmask 'dignork!~dignork@gateway/tor-sasl/dignork', is not identified.
fluffypony: [17:12:29] -NickServ- dignork has enabled nick protection
fluffypony: I doubt it's someone else?
pankkake: !up dignork
assbot: Insufficient rights, pankkake.
benkay: !up dignork
assbot: Voicing dignork for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: Charge Your Phone in 30 Seconds << let's do math
benkay: whee! maf!
asciilifeform: 'ipnohe' battery - 1.430 ampere-hours, 3.7v
dignork: ThickAsThieves, sorry, the message was intended to kakobrekla, about the 30 sec message
asciilifeform: ;;calc 1.430 * 3.7
gribble: 5.291
asciilifeform: watt-hours
asciilifeform: ;;calc 5.291 * 3600
gribble: 19047.6
dignork: asciilifeform, it's because they charge their own battery:
asciilifeform: ;;calc 19047.6 / 30.0
gribble: 634.92
asciilifeform: joules per second when charging in 30 sec
asciilifeform: aka watts
asciilifeform: need we say more?
benkay: gon' get hot.
kakobrekla: yea well of course you cant charge the battery so fast out of thin air
asciilifeform: lithium cells already have interesting problems when the safety fuse, for whatever reason, fails to blow
kakobrekla: anyway these battery 'revolutions' come once a week, for the past, i dunno, 10 years
asciilifeform: thus, what can charge in 30 seconds can almost certainly discharge in... 1.
asciilifeform: or 0.01
kakobrekla: we still use same shit.
kakobrekla: <assbot> Insufficient rights, pankkake. < cause of the split :\
pankkake: yeah, I figured, I'm auth again
asciilifeform: anyone who knows of, say, a MOSFET rated for 600W, that fits in a phone, please wake me up
asciilifeform: i could use one.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.581 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: likewise, go and put 600W for 30 sec. through a phone-sized piece of whatever material you like, then put it in your pocket, get back to us.
dignork: asciilifeform, originally they where talking about new type of battery which can be charged fast, not too amazing since there are supercapacitor batteries already.
ThickAsThieves: i had a macbook pro with an ""exploding" battery once
asciilifeform: dignork: worth investigating the properties of actual, rather than mythical, supercaps
asciilifeform: you can buy them
asciilifeform: buy one, experiment
ThickAsThieves: i was so stoked cuz i bought it with money from winning a juried art show
asciilifeform: they have gigantic internal resistance
ThickAsThieves: then the next morning it was all swelling
asciilifeform: if the 'mythical holy grail battery' were ever to appear, you will know about it - not from idiot press releases and grantsmanship, but - from laser pistol fire in the streets.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.57550072 = 2.302 BTC [-] {4}
asciilifeform: ;;lasers
gribble: ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*
ThickAsThieves: how to protect myself from the laser apocalypse?
ThickAsThieves: mirror shields?
kakobrekla: wear sunglasses at night
dignork: asciilifeform, sparfun toy:, rated/max current 1750/4500, probably in mA
asciilifeform: dignork: right, these.
asciilifeform: dignork: notice the internal resistance given for specific currents?
dignork: asciilifeform, so the current listed is for discharge?
asciilifeform: dignork: that's because it's non-linear.
asciilifeform: if ultracaps did not have large internal resistance, you would not ever want to be near, much less carry, a charged one
dignork: asciilifeform, this datasheet is horrible, looks like they list different devices, and for 10F device there is only one max resistance - 80 at 3A
dignork: asciilifeform, talking about sparcfun datasheet
asciilifeform: the chemistry of the ultracap gives it intrinsically high resistance
asciilifeform: which makes it a useful gadget, for powering clocks, etc. rather than what would amount to an unstable explosive.
asciilifeform: if you want a portable gizmo that can be 'charged' in seconds, without carrying a bomb, fuel cells on butane (as in cigarette lighter) are probably your ticket.
asciilifeform: you can move fuels, unlike electric charge, without gigantic thermal losses
asciilifeform: and, assuming you are storing only fuel and not oxidizer, you can safely carry it without fear of it releasing all of the energy stored therein within a second
asciilifeform: but, fossil-fueled phones aren't 'sexy', or 'green', whatever.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8650 @ 0.00096522 = 8.3492 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.04900001 = 0.196 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.035 = 0.21 BTC [+] {3}
kakobrekla: micro RTG? :)
fluffypony: oh nm
fluffypony: thanks wikipedia
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: buy a 'traser' keychain. solar cells. you can get a few microamps.
kakobrekla: meh solar
kakobrekla: havent you seen the matrix?
asciilifeform: strap a 'peltier' to your wrist. body heat. a milliamp or so.
kakobrekla: ah you have seen it.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 22 @ 0.08299776 = 1.826 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: if i recall, the original script for the film called for the robot overlords to use mankind as distributed computing elements, rather than 'batteries'
asciilifeform: but this was later 'dumbed down.'
kakobrekla: robots use mankind as computing elements come on
kakobrekla: what sort of a sick joke is this
asciilifeform: less of one than 'battery'
dignork: kakobrekla, they use humans to solve capcha
kakobrekla: dignork :DD
kakobrekla: i dont think its optimal to keep the whole brain and whole human alive to compute some stuff
fluffypony: asciilifeform: yeah I remember something like that too, the battery thing was done to make it more accessible
kakobrekla: the machines surely would have figured that out
fluffypony: I don't play games often, but damn the Civilization: Beyond Earth trailer makes me want to play again
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: what we do with farm animals isn't exactly optimal
fluffypony: and it's going to be on Linux
asciilifeform: 'We shall escape the absurdity of growing a whole chicken in order to eat the breast or wing, by growing these parts separately under a suitable medium.'
asciilifeform: (winston churchill)
kakobrekla: yes that is happening nowdays
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 7 @ 0.01500001 = 0.105 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: ever eat a cultured cell?
kakobrekla: no i cant say i have
cgcardona_: damn cryptsy is slow- withdrew 7 different coins about 24 hrs ago and the transactions are still *pending*
kakobrekla: you tried it?
asciilifeform: how about a herbivorous insect, like cicada
asciilifeform: they taste like grass.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.5815 = 1.163 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: 'you are what you eat
asciilifeform: the simpler the metabolism, the more so.
cgcardona_: what is the general take in here on altcoins? cool to discuss or not here?
cgcardona_: i've been pretty excited about master coin and colored coins
cgcardona_: and of course I've been dabbling in alt just cause I like the idea of cryptos in general
benkay: cgcardona_: are they actually in the memory pool or has cryptsy not broadcast them yet?
cgcardona_: it looks like cryptsy hasn't broadcast them yet. cause I created new addresses for each withdraw/coin and I'm not seeing those addresses show up on any blockchains yet
kakobrekla: asciilifeform i guess we wait until humans manage to grow functional brains on a petri dish, then the argument will be settled.
cgcardona_: i've read online that 24 hrs has happened to other people. so I'm gonna wait until later today before I contact support.
benkay: cgcardona_: altcoins are always worth talking about, although some more than others.
cgcardona_: awesome. my thoughts exactly
cgcardona_: i'm wondering how the alt coin scene will change w/ the arrival of mastercoin and/or colored coins and/or sidechains. If I understand correctly these will layer abstractions upon bitcoin which will use a satoshi as a level of abstraction to represent anything (stock option, gold bar, keys to a car, deed to a house, etc). If that's the case then all that value should be driven back into the bitcoin blockchain right?
cgcardona_: which would seemingly push the value of an individual btc highter.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 3.40455168 BTC to 8`286 shares, 41088 satoshi per share
ThickAsThieves: more likely, they will do nothing but liberate bitcoins from those who dont deserve them
ThickAsThieves: at least for the forseeable future
cgcardona_: ThickAsThieves: can you explain what you mean by that? How will they accomplish that?
ThickAsThieves: depends on the specific case, but, for example, some of these things require you to "burn" coins, or somewhat permanently assign them
ThickAsThieves: if/when that sidething dies, what then?
ThickAsThieves: if/when that sidething scams, what then?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 30 @ 0.00587346 = 0.1762 BTC [-] {5}
ThickAsThieves: then, take colored coins
ThickAsThieves: the push for them comes from a desire to remove centralized exchanges for stocks or property
ThickAsThieves: but it doesnt remove the risk that the issuer is going to liberate your value
ThickAsThieves: it actually makes it more likely
ThickAsThieves: it also doesnt remove regulatory fears
benkay: basically paper only has value if there's someone with a gun backing that statement of value.
benkay: bitcoin isn't strong enough to enforce alloidal title.
benkay: yet.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.04840019 = 0.484 BTC [-] {6}
ThickAsThieves: it places MORE burden on the issuer of the color
benkay: take danielpbarron for instance
cgcardona_: ThickAsThieves: interesting points. I'll consider them.
ThickAsThieves: !up TestingUnoDosTre
assbot: Insufficient rights, ThickAsThieves.
benkay: dude is selling an in-game-currency 'meat' on one of the distributed exchanges
benkay: !up danielpbarron
assbot: Voicing danielpbarron for 30 minutes.
benkay: nobody is enforcing he honor his contract for meats.
ThickAsThieves: !up TestingUnoDosTre
assbot: Voicing TestingUnoDosTre for 30 minutes.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2000 @ 0.00013924 = 0.2785 BTC [-] {12}
TestingUnoDosTre: anyone know where the instructions are for this gpg key verification ? can't find in the log
benkay: ("Disclaimer: Blockscan is not responsible for the accuracy of the content listed here.")
benkay: what do you mean by gpg verification, TestingUnoDosTre ?
benkay: decrypting gribble's one-time-pad?
TestingUnoDosTre: no, i mean joining the wot or whatever so I don't have to get voiced up ery 30 minutes
ThickAsThieves: you need to register with WoT and register that same nick with freenode nameserv
ThickAsThieves: someone made a guide i think
ThickAsThieves: not surre if it includes all steps
TestingUnoDosTre: that's what I'm lookin for
benkay: ;;google bitcoin-otc guide wot
gribble: #bitcoin-otc: <>; #bitcoin-otc web of trust: <>; Beginners Guide - bitcoin-otc wiki: <>
TestingUnoDosTre: whoops, was looking in teh wrong log
ThickAsThieves: ;;google #bitcoin-assets +m
gribble: #bitcoin-assets log: <>; Vanitas pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <>; This privacy thing… pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <>
ozbot: Beginners Guide - bitcoin-otc wiki
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21078 @ 0.00096436 = 20.3268 BTC [-] {2}
benkay: basically
benkay: ;;eregister <wot name> <pgp long id>
gribble: Error: 'name>' is not a valid GPG key id. Please use the long form 16 digit key id.
benkay: ;;everify <decrypted blob returned from previous command>
fluffypony: only works on -otc
fluffypony: [18:16:11] <+fluffypony> ,,bg
benkay: ;;bg
gribble: Error: "bg" is not a valid command.
benkay: huh.
fluffypony: yeah I know
fluffypony: it's ,, not ;; for that
fluffypony: I have nfi why
TestingUnoDosTre: ;;ident TestingUnoDosTre
gribble: Nick 'TestingUnoDosTre', with hostmask 'TestingUnoDosTre!472849d2@gateway/web/freenode/ip.', is not identified.
benkay: also distributed exchanges do shit like publish charts that only go through february:
benkay: although i guess xcp is a limited time burn thing?
benkay: which is scamcoin red flag of the highest order.
fluffypony: you could only burn at the beginning
fluffypony: I don't think you can burn now
benkay: abhorrent.
cgcardona_: I just recently registered for this room. I had to register my nick w/ nickserv. Then w/ gribble i `register cgcardona_ <gpg ID>`. gribble replies w/ a challenge string which I then signed w/ my gpg key and put on to pastebin. Then to gribble I said `verify <pastebin url>` and my registration was good. Now to assbot I ca n`!up` and it works. Each time to register w/ gribble I `auth cgcardona_ ` to which it replies w/ anoth
cgcardona_: challenge string that I again sign and put on pastebin.
cgcardona_: not sure if that helps of if that's all extremely obvious for everyone in here.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 47 @ 0.59716603 = 28.0668 BTC [+] {11}
cgcardona_: *helps at all
benkay: if you do ;;eauth cgcardona_ , you can decrypt the otp you get in return and then ;;everify that string
benkay: a little script that curl otp-url.php | gpg -d | pbcopy on os x is how i do things
benkay: so that i can just ;;everify (cmd p)
fluffypony: benkay: "The protocol was coded to create XCP on any address that sent less than or equal to 1 BTC to 1CounterpartyXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXUWLpVr between blocks 278310 and 283810 This was written right into the open-source code. So no individual had to be trusted to accept money then distribute a genesis block like with Next, Mastercoin, Emunie, Ethereum, Levelcoin (ipo scam), Visacoin (ipo scam)"
fluffypony: from reddit
cgcardona_: cool I'll check that out benkay
benkay: fluffypony: these initial burns are just as much a crime as premining.
fluffypony: benkay: I actually don't understand the point of this at all
cgcardona_: very interesting. I'd not heard that argument before.
benkay: (^^ wtf am i supposed to do? examine every thing individually??)
cgcardona_: so you're saying it's like premining in the sense that the people creating the coins which need to be burned in to are starting the game with a bunch of the new coins for themselves?
fluffypony: benkay: presumably the active ones will punt their asset?
benkay: the whole thing is a punt
benkay: look, an exchange is by definition a place people gather to exchange a thing
benkay: if i have to go to to read about your 'asset', you've failed.
fluffypony: agreed
fluffypony: I also don't see what's wrong (fundamentally) with an exchange being a central point of issuance/authority/failure, as long as it's not built and run like mtgox or litecoininvest or whatever
benkay: it is a time honored practice, this centralizing of important things.
benkay: docks
benkay: banks
benkay: libraries
cgcardona_: ok then can I spin it as all of the burn in coins will just remove btc from the blockchain thus driving value to the blockchain a la' "Lost coins only make everyone else's coins worth slightly more. Think of it as a donation to everyone."
benkay: but you just burnt bitcoins.
benkay: they're gone forever.
benkay: n/21 million gone.
cgcardona_: right - and satoshi's quote says "Lost coins only make everyone else's coins worth slightly more. Think of it as a donation to everyone."
cgcardona_: my last question was partially in jest
benkay: donations to everyone are not needed.
benkay: when the world economy is denominated in btc, these pennies will not materially affect how much or less i can buy with my btc.
benkay: economy size being fixed, and my share of the pool being fixed (income aside)
cgcardona_: but who is to say it will only be pennies? What if someone were to burn 75% of all btc into other coins. that would surely affect the price of the remaining btc by more than pennies.
benkay: price, and today.
ThickAsThieves: the pie is 100% no matter ho0w many slices
ThickAsThieves: this is the point
benkay: besides, it's a garbage example. anyone controlling significant numbers of btc won't be burning significant numbers of them. maybe the odd equivalent of a buttcoin to see some derps flail with their piggyback chains, but not a significant number.
cgcardona_: i personally agree with you. but I don't think I can speak for "anyone controlling significant numbers of btc"
cgcardona_: people act irrationally
cgcardona_: and we dont know what jesus coins may arrive in the future. people may be incentivized to burn coins en mass
cgcardona_: but actually I agree w/ you overall. just arguing the point for the sake of clarity
ThickAsThieves: people may grow unihorns too
benkay: and the earth may orbit backwards tomorrow.
asciilifeform: best racket will be to 'burn,' rather than burn.
fluffypony: asciilifeform yeah
fluffypony: given a sufficiently powerful vanity address generator
fluffypony: you could convince people it's a burner
TestingUnoDosTre: ;;eregister TestingUnoDosTre DFBEC17DF96DFB77
gribble: Request successful for user TestingUnoDosTre, hostmask TestingUnoDosTre!472849d2@gateway/web/freenode/ip. Get your encrypted OTP from
cgcardona_: so let me see if I understand. I tell people I'm creating cgcardona_coin and that they need to burn coins into 1cgcardonafuckingrulesAdfusd address which is actually my personal address?
fluffypony: that sentence was all wrong, but you get my drift
benkay: btw TestingUnoDosTre that OTP url is unique for the duration of your use of that key. so feel free to hard code it into any scripts you write.
fluffypony: cgcardona_: yes, that burner address was 1CounterpartyXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXUWLpVr
cgcardona_: fluffypony: ah ok I'm getting it now
fluffypony: to generate that with vanitygen or oclvanitygen would take more time than there is on the sun
benkay: time on the sun nice
benkay: i've heard of mixed metaphors, but you blended that one
ThickAsThieves: *could* take more time
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves is right
fluffypony: could take
benkay: mhm.
benkay: burning. considered stupid.
cgcardona_: glad we had this talk.
fluffypony: stumbling across a randomly generated BTC privkey that is for an address with funds is equally possible and probably more likely
cgcardona_: i had been buying into the mastercoin and colored coins hype
ThickAsThieves: glad you asked!
benkay: distributed autonomous corporations
benkay: ick
benkay: getting a bit echo-y in here...
ThickAsThieves: asschamber
benkay: an individual suggesting a business could be run on algorithms is demonstrating why that person is unsuited to make claims about businesses.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75300 @ 0.00096562 = 72.7112 BTC [+] {5}
benkay: even your gambling operation will need human intervention from time to time.
benkay: unless you hook the cold wallet up to the robot too, which, anathema.
fluffypony: that's why the whole Internet marketing / Warrior Forum thing is such a clever scam
fluffypony: because they keep advertising things as "hands off"
ThickAsThieves: one day i want to grow up and be a DAC cab company owner
fluffypony: like you're just going to start this auto-blogging thing and it'll go and you won't need to touch it and the funds will just flow in
benkay: "you don't even need to know anything!"
benkay: get. the. fuck. out.
fluffypony: passive income is not a thing unless you happen to write a massive single that will be played for the next 100 years, or write a timeless book that will be sold for the next 100 years
benkay: 500k in the bank
benkay: move to thailand
fluffypony: ask MisterE about that:-P
cgcardona_: fluffypony: more accurately if you *produce* a massive single. writers/performers get screwed as well
benkay: or 500B, live off the deflationary behavior
benkay: in like 30 years
ThickAsThieves: fluffypony even music income isnt passive
ThickAsThieves: needs lawyers, enforcement, etc
fluffypony: and concerts and promotions
fluffypony: and book signings
fluffypony: and TV appearances
cgcardona_: and flavored drinks
cgcardona_: (i'm looking at you 50 cent)
ThickAsThieves: plus who the fuck pays for music anymore?
fluffypony: "new fluffypony cola"
benkay: wow hey i just realized a thing
benkay: code tutorials with product placement
ThickAsThieves: this code brought to you by Mountain Dew
benkay: var MountainDew = "yourbutt"
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: I do peripherally - I have a Songza premium sub ($0.99 a week) and a Rdio Unlimited subscription ($10/month)
benkay: great hustle
fluffypony: but I don't pay per song
ThickAsThieves: well i do too, but yknow
benkay: impossible to find anything on those damn services
cgcardona_: I pay for music at live shows quite often. That's where the real hustle is
ThickAsThieves: so far pandora wins
ThickAsThieves: great at finding new music
fluffypony: Rdio is actually really awesome - you can "sync" stuff to mobile, which basically just downloads the songs and stores them in the app
fluffypony: so kinda like buying it and having a local copy except not
cgcardona_: yea spotify does that as well
ThickAsThieves: fluffypony they all do that
benkay: kinda almost like copying the file and putting it on a device
benkay: o.O
cgcardona_: haaha!
cgcardona_: except they can take it whenever they want!
benkay: except shittier and stupid.
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: yeah but none of them have been available in South Africa till Rdio came along
kakobrekla: !up TestingUnoDosTre
assbot: Insufficient rights, kakobrekla.
ThickAsThieves: !up TestingUnoDosTre
assbot: Voicing TestingUnoDosTre for 30 minutes.
TestingUnoDosTre: ;;eregister TestingUnoDosTre DFBEC17DF96DFB77
gribble: Request successful for user TestingUnoDosTre, hostmask TestingUnoDosTre!472849d2@gateway/web/freenode/ip. Get your encrypted OTP from
cgcardona_: omg 'proof-of-burn' is actually a thing
cgcardona_: i thought that was just the greatest stoner joke ever
cgcardona_: i didn't realize that's what the concept was actually called (reading
benkay: proof of burn is a great way to get people to buy into your thing
benkay: do it, now you have this tiny network of people who need to see the value of their coins increase. they will jump through all sorts of rationalizations as to why their burn was a good idea.
benkay: plus, you now have an entirely constricted supply.
benkay: consider a bitcoin thing; an alt chain, a piggyback thing, whatever it is.
cgcardona_: "they will jump through all sorts of rationalizations as to why their burn was a good idea." - couldn't you say the same thing about most people who have a vested interest in something succeeding?
benkay: if it throws away big important parts of bitcoin (like say distributing supply semi-randomly according to capital power, the txn processing network), it's probably fucking stupid.
benkay: cgcardona_: bitcoin especially
TestingUnoDosTre: ;;;verify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:d9e4395d378eb882437ec77d6fb080db6aedf418eb220b117fbfc9c1
gribble: Error: ";verify" is not a valid command.
benkay: ;;everify
TestingUnoDosTre: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:d9e4395d378eb882437ec77d6fb080db6aedf418eb220b117fbfc9c1
gribble: Registration successful. You are now authenticated for user TestingUnoDosTre with key DFBEC17DF96DFB77
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12074 @ 0.00096568 = 11.6596 BTC [+]
fluffypony: wd TestingUnoDosTre
TestingUnoDosTre: now I just need some trust!?
fluffypony: specifically you need to be in assbot's primary trust
cgcardona_: TestingUnoDosTre: so does that mean you don't have to reauth everytime you come into the room?
benkay: or secondary
benkay: ;;gettrust TestingUnoDosTre
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask TestingUnoDosTre!472849d2@gateway/web/freenode/ip. Trust relationship from user benkay to user TestingUnoDosTre: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: never
fluffypony: or secondary
benkay: ;;gettrust TestingUnoDosTre assbot
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user TestingUnoDosTre to user assbot: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: Fri Apr 11 02:04:55 2014
cgcardona_: ;;gettrust benkay
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask benkay! Trust relationship from user cgcardona_ to user benkay: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: Sun Mar 10 13:57:45 2013
benkay: ;;rate TestingUnoDosTre 1 an entity.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user TestingUnoDosTre has been recorded.
benkay: let the rating dilutions begin.
TestingUnoDosTre: ;;gettrust TEstingUnoDosTre
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask TestingUnoDosTre!472849d2@gateway/web/freenode/ip. Trust relationship from user TestingUnoDosTre to user TEstingUnoDosTre: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: Sun Apr 13 12:56:09 2014
benkay: TestingUnoDosTre: you can now !up yourself via pm with assbot
benkay: ;;gettrust assbot TestingUnoDosTre
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask TestingUnoDosTre!472849d2@gateway/web/freenode/ip. Trust relationship from user assbot to user TestingUnoDosTre: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: Sun Apr 13 12:56:09 2014
TestingUnoDosTre: do I have to add trust to assbot?
benkay: no, it works the other way around.
cgcardona_: so I'm able to up myself but I have no trust w/ assbot. how is that working?
benkay: ;;rate TestingUnoDosTre 1 still using a web client
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user TestingUnoDosTre has changed from 1 to 1.
benkay: ;;gettrust cgcardona_ assbot
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user cgcardona_ to user assbot: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: Fri Apr 11 02:04:55 2014
benkay: !down cgcardona_
assbot: Insufficient rights, benkay.
benkay: !up cgcardona_
assbot: Voicing cgcardona_.
benkay: !down cgcardona_
assbot: Insufficient rights, benkay.
TestingUnoDosTre: !up TestingUnoDosTre
assbot: Insufficient rights, TestingUnoDosTre.
benkay: fascinating.
benkay: you !up yourself in pm with assbot, TestingUnoDosTre
benkay: cgcardona_: can you really up yourself? would you demonstrate that?
benkay: ;;ident cgcardona_
gribble: Nick 'cgcardona_', with hostmask 'cgcardona_!', is identified as user 'cgcardona_', with GPG key id 0F1225CA7384131A, key fingerprint B591A80F8DF61ACAC58C806A0F1225CA7384131A, and bitcoin address None
cgcardona_: just did it
benkay: so part and then rejoin
kakobrekla: asciilifeform what was that recent blogpost link re dont come to merrica again?
benkay: ;;ident cgcardona_
gribble: Nick 'cgcardona_', with hostmask 'cgcardona_!', is not identified.
benkay: ;;ident cgcardona_
gribble: Nick 'cgcardona_', with hostmask 'cgcardona_!', is not identified.
benkay: waiting on you, cgcardona_
fluffypony: sweet Harrison Ford AMA
fluffypony: he looks like a wizard
cgcardona_: ok i'm back w/ voice benkay
cgcardona_: the time lag is that I need to reauth w/ gribble each time which takes a second.
benkay: ;;gettrust cgcardona_ assbot
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user cgcardona_ to user assbot: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: Fri Apr 11 02:04:55 2014
benkay: kakobrekla: what's going on with cgcardona_ ?
benkay: just self-upped with no lvl2 trust to assbot.
benkay: s/to/from
cgcardona_: kakobrekla: gave me a little trust yesterday. i think that was sufficient
cgcardona_: just so that I could !up
benkay: ;;gettrust kakobrekla assbot
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user kakobrekla to user assbot: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 4 via 3 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: Fri Apr 11 02:04:55 2014
cgcardona_: i'm still unclear on how to get trust from assbot
benkay: ;;gettrust kakobrekla cgcardona_
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask cgcardona_! Trust relationship from user kakobrekla to user cgcardona_: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: Sat Apr 12 18:04:35 2014
kakobrekla: is gribble bugged?
benkay: ;;gettrust assbot cgcardona_
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask cgcardona_! Trust relationship from user assbot to user cgcardona_: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: Sat Apr 12 18:04:35 2014
benkay: no, it's directional.
kakobrekla: well there it is
kakobrekla: makes sense
kakobrekla: naughty cgcardona_ didnt rate back,.
benkay: mhm
cgcardona_: kakobrekla: I'm new! will rate right now (googling how)
benkay: uh so i guess this means i have to update ratings
cgcardona_: still new to wot
kakobrekla: no worries
TestingUnoDosTre: wwhy did assbot say I wasn't authenticated?
kakobrekla: ;;gettrust TestingUnoDosTre
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask TestingUnoDosTre!472849d2@gateway/web/freenode/ip. Trust relationship from user kakobrekla to user TestingUnoDosTre: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: Sun Apr 13 12:56:09 2014
benkay: ;;rate Ssateneth 3 good exchange
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user Ssateneth has changed from 2 to 3.
kakobrekla: at this point we will need #bitcoin-assets-support
kakobrekla: s/point/rate
benkay: ;;rate mircea_popescu 3 bitlord
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user mircea_popescu has changed from 1 to 3.
benkay: ;;rate kakobrekla 3 such ops
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user kakobrekla has changed from 2 to 3.
benkay: ;;rate jurov 2 great to work with
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user jurov has changed from 1 to 2.
cgcardona_: ;;rate kakobrekla 1 For allowing me to have voince in #bitcoin-assets
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user kakobrekla has been recorded.
benkay: ;;rate mod6 2 monk
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user mod6 has changed from 1 to 2.
benkay: ;;rate davout 2 did not 0day me
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user davout has changed from 1 to 2.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 65 @ 0.00570001 = 0.3705 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: TestingUnoDosTre does assbot still say you are not authed?
TestingUnoDosTre: looks like it does not
cgcardona_: ;;gettrust cgcardona_
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask cgcardona_! Trust relationship from user cgcardona_ to user cgcardona_: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: Sat Apr 12 18:04:35 2014
cgcardona_: trust noone ^
TestingUnoDosTre: can't rate myself, what kind of sham is this!?
benkay: ;;rate TestingUnoDosTre 1 #bitcoin-assets +v
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user TestingUnoDosTre has changed from 1 to 1.
TestingUnoDosTre: ;;rate dignork 1 helped me register gpg key. Bitcoin-assets support 5 stars *****
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user dignork has been recorded.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.03529966 = 0.1059 BTC [+] {3}
cgcardona_: ;;rate kakobrekla 1 For allowing me to have voice in #bitcoin-assets
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user kakobrekla has changed from 1 to 1.
cgcardona_: fixing typo ^^
Anduck: !up gribble
assbot: Insufficient rights, Anduck.
Anduck: n00b assbot
Anduck: !up anduck
assbot: Insufficient rights, Anduck.
Anduck: wtf
Apocalyptic: <Anduck> !up gribble // he's already upped... as you are
Anduck: well hmm yea
Anduck: !up gribble
assbot: Insufficient rights, Anduck.
Anduck: ok
Anduck: i thought it was because i wasn't authed
Anduck: but now i am =)
Apocalyptic: what are you trying to do ?
Anduck: just testing assbot
bounce: ;;echo !up anduck
gribble: !up anduck
assbot: Insufficient rights, gribble.
kakobrekla: noobs.
Anduck: noobs?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4550 @ 0.00096536 = 4.3924 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: if you !up yourself via pm with assbot you get all the rights you get
Anduck: why does it say "insufficient rights"?
kakobrekla: you dont get those if you are upped by someone else or if theres a split like it was.
Anduck: !up anduck
assbot: Voicing anduck for 30 minutes.
Anduck: nice
kakobrekla: you just self pwned yourself
Anduck: i kno
Anduck: i can selfpwn anyone
Anduck: like gribble, right=
kakobrekla: i found a bug.
Anduck: i found it too =)
Anduck: well, it's not a bug but... that is a bug
Anduck: ;;echo !up assbot
gribble: !up assbot
assbot: Insufficient rights, gribble.
Anduck: !up assbot
assbot: I don't do bots, Anduck.
Anduck: ahh
Anduck: he doesn't do bots.
kakobrekla: ;;echo !up Assbot
gribble: !up Assbot
assbot: Insufficient rights, gribble.
kakobrekla: the problem is, theres a difference between "!up Anduck" and "!up anduck"
Anduck: hmm
Anduck: ok
kakobrekla: i noticed it now.
Anduck: !up Anduck
assbot: Really, Anduck?
Anduck: !up anDuck
assbot: Voicing anDuck for 30 minutes.
Anduck: heh
Anduck: !up Gribble
assbot: Voicing Gribble for 30 minutes.
Anduck: shiiit
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.0354999 = 0.355 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: just do !down anduck
Anduck: !down Gribble
Anduck: hmm
kakobrekla: down yourself.
Anduck: gribble needs permavoice, though
Anduck: !down anduckj
Anduck: !down anduck
kakobrekla: no gribble just needs less idiots messing around with stuff
fluffypony: lol, so there's a new Japanese exchange:
fluffypony: from reddit: "Just to clarify, this is not a new Gox. They were only here cos that fat french fuck had to run away from his previous crimes. This exchange appears to be a proper japanese exchange aimed at the Japanese people."
Anduck: haha you just called me an idiot, right? =D
kakobrekla: maybe i did
bounce: timeless lessons of software engineering.
mircea_popescu: sounds legit
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6750 @ 0.00096536 = 6.5162 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.608 BTC [+]
ozbot: My wife is complaining that the house is cold.... because we sold our bitcoin miners... : Bitcoin
ThickAsThieves: "And before she was complaining that the house was too noisy... because we had bitcoin miners...
ThickAsThieves: can't win."
ThickAsThieves: "sell your wife next time"
Anduck: should buy noiseless miners
Anduck: bitfurys for example =)
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves until and unless he starts spanking her, definitely.
nubbins`: noiseless wife, even
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.03403328 = 0.2723 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06698999 = 0.6699 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: ˙uǝʌǝ ןıɐɟ
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: any reccommendations on what software to use to talk to gpg for automated things?
Anduck: make bash script
fluffypony: uʍop¡
fluffypony: ɟʇʍ 'ʞɹoʍ ʇ,usǝop
mircea_popescu: prolly a bash script'd be the best
fluffypony: ¿ʇoqssɐ oʇ assbot ǝɯɐuǝɹ pןnoɥs ǝʍ ǝqʎɐɯ
benkay: hard question is how best to set up box with gpg on network and wire it to other boxen doing stuff.
mircea_popescu: why on network ? hook them up on serial cable and write your own protocol.
benkay: "network"
benkay: but thx mircea_popescu
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19100 @ 0.00096672 = 18.4644 BTC [+]
bounce: interfacing gpg is clunky to the point there's a library to make it easier, gpgme (haven't checked how much it helps, to me it's just another annoying dependency), though some programs just run the commands and look at the answer strings
thestringpuller: all these unicode characters are killin issi
bounce: though if you go (bourne, not bourne again please) script it's probably a good idea to tell the thing to use "C" for a locale, lest the thing suddenly talks french or something
thestringpuller: bounce: sounds like a problem for pankkake
FabianB: pympex and MPEx.rb use gpgme
thestringpuller: good 'ol mpexagent ;)
mircea_popescu: gpgme isn't bad, there's also a gpgagent thing that seems solid
thestringpuller: agents scare me
mircea_popescu: just you know, whatever you're doing
FabianB: gpgme is a library for gpg, gpg-agent just just 'remember my pw for a period of time'
mircea_popescu: !up dignork
assbot: Voicing dignork for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: yo. dja know how to up yourself ?
dignork: mircea_popescu, why?
mircea_popescu: so you can do it lol
assbot: Listing #bitcoin-assets rules - requested by only
assbot: - don't spam too much, it's spammy
assbot: - don't use of 'afk' or 'away' on the chan or your nick, it's spammy
assbot: - anything you say is public and can be used by anyone
assbot: - we do like bacon and eggs, even sausages most of the time
bounce: spammy spammy assbot
dignork: mircea_popescu, this kind of contradicts the new elitist channel model
mircea_popescu: how you mean ?
mircea_popescu: !up only
assbot: Voicing only for 30 minutes.
only: danke mircea_popescu
dignork: ;;echo !up dignork
gribble: !up dignork
assbot: Insufficient rights, gribble.
dignork: tor access seems to be horribly lagging anyway:( so even my attempt to check if grible echo hack works was pointless :(
mircea_popescu: dignork you id with gribble and then pm assbot !up
mircea_popescu: and gribble hack doth not work, no.
mircea_popescu: < gotta be on this list. you get there by getting in the wot and getting rated by someone in assbot's trustlist
ozbot: assbot level 2 trust | Khersonus Blog
Anduck: assbot: take your head off your ass
jurov: ;;gettrust assbot dignork
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask dignork!~dignork@gateway/tor-sasl/dignork. Trust relationship from user assbot to user dignork: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: Fri Oct 18 12:20:18 2013
dignork: i know the drill mircea_popescu, but nobody trusts me enought anyway :)
dignork: *enough
mircea_popescu: well maybe in time huh.
benkay: what do we think about 1's for +v?
benkay: obvs not for robwhiz22 etc al but those who appear to be on the right track
mircea_popescu: judgement call for teh 29
benkay: ;;rate dignork 1 #bitcoin-assets +v
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user dignork has been recorded.
benkay: dignork: are you selling btc atm?
benkay: ;;gettrust assbot dignork
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask dignork!~dignork@gateway/tor-sasl/dignork. Trust relationship from user assbot to user dignork: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: Fri Oct 18 12:20:18 2013
mircea_popescu: i dun recall if i linked this
jurov: to da moon!
benkay: > implying?
dignork: benkay, i can sell some small amount, just for kicks, why?
pankkake: dignork would have had a trust through me soon anyways
mircea_popescu: dignork why so emo srsly ? apparently tons of people were going to trust you enough
dignork: i have some trust on otc, but the group in assets does not intersects too much
pankkake: bounce: there is --with-colons. I never had to parse actual text content from GPG, exit codes etc. were enough
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12100 @ 0.00096684 = 11.6988 BTC [+] {2}
punkman: if you want to gpg with python:
pankkake: but the state of python libs is weird… there's like at least three libs and they all suck
bounce: sure. mutt doesn't use gpgme either, IIRC
only: any tobacco smokers in here? I want a rating as well :)
bounce: ::rate -1 only unhealthy character
mircea_popescu: lol cigs for access ? this sounds like the old time clubs are here :D
pankkake: I'm thinking of hoarding tobacco, as a doomsday currency
bounce isn't too sure python doesn't secretly suck either. then again, might be I'm reading too many naggum links.
only: pankkake: good thinking
bounce: risky though. one fire and all your currency goes up in smoke.
mircea_popescu: pankkake definitely worked that way in the west
mircea_popescu: !up toffoo
assbot: Voicing toffoo for 30 minutes.
only: any brands in mind, pankkake?
mircea_popescu: you could just as well buy a wife for 40 leaves
benkay: no no bounce
benkay: it sucks.
benkay: java with less typing is all.
pankkake: no, I don't know the first thing about it. my first step would be learn how to store it so that it lasts
bounce: there's some cute things you can do with it that're less possible with java
only: pankkake: a big ass humidor should suffice
mircea_popescu: or a lot of apple slices.
mircea_popescu: anyway, there are those who claim old tobacco properly stored is actually better than new.
mircea_popescu: !up omen1855
assbot: Voicing omen1855 for 30 minutes.
benkay: such new folk
bounce: so I rewrote that thing from yesterday in python then fixed the calculations: apparently this "comprehensions" thing is a bit contagious.
jurov found some vintage "taras bulba" tobacco from 1960s.. so you say it has some value?
only: mircea_popescu: Virginias age wonderfully :)
pankkake: I love list comprehensions. I'm sure lispfags will scoff at it though!
mircea_popescu: jurov taras bulba or trash vulva ?
jurov: lol... it was named after nikolai gogol's novella
mircea_popescu: is this the one with the kidnapped underage chick where the author blames the chick ?
jurov: i had not read(nor smoke) it wikipedia says nothign about chix
fluffypony: [20:24:57] <xodianbarr> fyi the prypto shares early adopter offering ends tonight. Tomorrow they will be unavailable and on Tuesday they go on bitcoinbourse. Anyone purchasing at least 1 share till the deadline gets a private share for every public share purchased and the opportunity of the private share account which gives an insight into dividend profit build up monthly.
fluffypony: another bitcoinbourse "asset" is coming
bounce: heh. so, you have to buy one sooper sekrit share now or be bereft of the company books forever?
jurov: yes, i mentioned it, "bitcoin stickers IPO"
jurov: beyond farcical
mircea_popescu: jurov i was just pretending gogol's nabokov.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony prypto ? srsly ?!
ozbot: Prypto: Welcome to Prypto
mircea_popescu: holy shit!
ozbot: Why everything you think you know about DNS is entirely wrong pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu
mircea_popescu: yesterday i write, today they apply ?! gotta love these new scammers.
pankkake: I thought it was a typo
fluffypony: uh, but Google has stated on more than one occasion that exact match domain names are no longer relevant
thestringpuller: ;;google REPL
gribble: Read–eval–print loop - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <>; <>; REPL Node.js v0.10.26 Manual & Documentation: <>
jurov: whut are they gonna use? soundex?
mircea_popescu: aproximex
bounce tries and fails to come up with a funny connecting "africanisation of the west" to the fail that is "black culture" in the US and bright eyed young white pasty silly vally kids
mircea_popescu: this should be a play.
mircea_popescu: write it and be forever known as bouncespeare
mircea_popescu: sorta like shake v2.0. bounce.
bounce is no good with drama. but hey, n'ver know what the morrow bringeth
bounce: maybe should go and look at that onion "white niggah" thing for inspiration
fluffypony: can we cast robwhizz22 as court jester?
mircea_popescu: bounce to learn a craft, you copy the masters. pick a play, rewrite it for your topic, publish your clumbsy attempt for general ridicule.
mircea_popescu: if you've a modicum of culture and read the damned things you stand some chance of at least picking the right one for the purpose.
mircea_popescu: in any event, twenty or so years later you may have become mediocre at it.
bounce: well, at least I got your unequivocal encouragement
dignork: mircea_popescu, DNS article, topic related name might get indexed by search engine in forum links etc, so they might not be a total waste of money
mircea_popescu: this is a point, indeed. a minor one, i suspect.
fluffypony: dignork
fluffypony: most forums nowadays are nofollow links
mircea_popescu: !up starsoccer
assbot: Voicing starsoccer for 30 minutes.
starsoccer: oo thanks mircea_popescu
starsoccer: just did it via pm but it told me i need to auth
starsoccer: ;;ident
gribble: Nick 'starsoccer', with hostmask 'starsoccer!~starsocce@', is not identified.
starsoccer: guess im not authed
starsoccer: ;;bcauth starsoccer
gribble: Request successful for user starsoccer, hostmask starsoccer!~starsocce@ Your challenge string is: freenode:#bitcoin-otc:cbc86176ae8302104f5210cc34dae4fafdcb017ed3a11f33fbb95758
mircea_popescu: yes you need to get in the wot and auth.
starsoccer: i am, just gribble keeps login me out
starsoccer: idk why
mircea_popescu: if it doesn't see you it logs yu out
starsoccer: well i ussually idle in a few so it always sees me
starsoccer: anyways let me auth
mircea_popescu: you're on the l2 list, so after you do you can pm assbot !up and it'll permavoice oyu.
starsoccer: 12list?
bounce: ;;gettrust assbot starsoccer
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user starsoccer: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: Sat May 12 23:07:51 2012
dignork: another example then: otc user shilling a service with domain name consisting of "bitcoin" and "insanity", i'll never remember the domain name, but googling these two terms kinda brings me to his site
mircea_popescu: !up aadeseye
assbot: Voicing aadeseye for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: dignork the reason you don't remember it is precisely that it had bitcoin in it and your brain spaces it out. i don't remember all the coin* shit either.
mircea_popescu: if it was some unique well chosen 5-6-7 char word you prolly would have remembered it.
dignork: mircea_popescu, yes, but in this case "google" algo kicks in, and he still gets a customer, so this dns exploits another mind bug , instead of browser autocompletion
bounce: two consonants at the start is nice for re-visits, not so much for first looks, typing from a commercial or the decals on a lorry or whatever
mircea_popescu: if you're good enough to actually get forum mentions the effect in question is comparatively weak. if you're weak and rely on trying to spam forums it won't likely get you anything anyway. at least in a high level survey sort of mindset. no denying that derping on the internet could turn your 100 bux and 110 hours a week into 1k or w/e, just... who cares about that.
bounce: and I have no idea what google is up to now. so if you do it'll substitute that as it sees fit? -- getting results out of them is getting fuzzier and fuzzier so that's no surprise, but it is annoying for those cases where I really want this exact search query and not the "properly spelled" one or whatever those US-based barbarians think I should've typed
dignork: mircea_popescu, so to exploit both bugs, on par with I
dignork: I'd register kjwhatver to make it accessible
bounce: plenty people care about winning small in the same way that wossname home traders want to feel like a trader much more than making money trading
artifexd: ;;eauth artifexd
gribble: Request successful for user artifexd, hostmask artifexd!sid28611@gateway/web/ Get your encrypted OTP from
artifexd: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:aca8c3b4fedadc86aa1bbfe5fe456d92d8526d3b3a40225231aafe17
gribble: You are now authenticated for user artifexd with key 11D1433947A3327A
artifexd: Yay!
benkay: !down artifexd
assbot: Insufficient rights, benkay.
benkay: !up artifexd
assbot: Voicing artifexd.
artifexd: !down benkay
assbot: Insufficient rights, artifexd.
benkay: !down artifexd
assbot: Insufficient rights, benkay.
benkay: boo
artifexd: Oooo! Test
artifexd: !up artifexd
assbot: Really, artifexd?
benkay: !up benkay
assbot: Really, benkay?
benkay: really, assbot.
artifexd: Hmm... no self-pwning possible anymore.
kakobrekla: benkay cant down artifexd cause he upped himself
benkay: yeah gotcha
kakobrekla: there is still one bug left :\
bounce: only one? oh my.
kakobrekla: ok , one that i currently intend to fix
artifexd: kakobrekla: What is that bug? For, you know, science.
Azelphur: what's the point of the whole +v for 30 minutes thing anyway?
benkay: fresh blood?
mircea_popescu: bounce sure, no argument.
artifexd: The point is to, eventually, increase the signal to noise ratio.
artifexd: For now though, hey! New toy!
mircea_popescu: problem is 100 hours at minimum wage + your upfront would make more than the "winning in a small way"
mircea_popescu: i guess incultured independence is a thing, even so.
cgcardona_: i figured forcing people to register w/ their pgp/gpg keys forces some sort of accountability for your actions/words in the room.
bounce: call it a hobby and it's win-win all the way
Azelphur: I just find it annoying xD
danielpbarron: i like it
kakobrekla: artifexd telling would spoil all the fun.
Azelphur: I haven't bothered to talk much here any more since having to auth up and stuff, especially with the freenode splits recently
benkay: ;;echo !down gribble
gribble: !down gribble
benkay: hue hue hue
kakobrekla: actually Azelphur , stats say you were relatively most active in last week
benkay: tbh kakobrekla i thought you'd fixed that one!
kakobrekla: benkay that not a bug that just retards in the playground
Azelphur: yea, it's coincidence more than anything else, there's been a few times I've typed stuff in here, had it dropped because of +m and gone to speak elsewhere instead
Azelphur: I could understand accountability (no +v if you're not gribbled, or requirement of WoT ratings) but the messaging every 30 minutes is very bizarre.
kakobrekla: what?
kakobrekla: you !up yourself on pm
kakobrekla: you voice in nao permanent
kakobrekla: *for the duration of session
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19800 @ 0.00096536 = 19.1141 BTC [-] {2}
Azelphur: oh? I'm sure I remember it grumbling about 30 minutes or something, fair enough
artifexd: ;;gettrust assbot Azelphur
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Azelphur: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 4 via 4 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: Mon Apr 9 00:11:58 2012
kakobrekla: yeah you can up anyone here for 30 min
Azelphur: I see
kakobrekla: but you can up yourself if you have wot
kakobrekla: then it does not have a timer
kakobrekla: and if you up yourself, you can up others, not otherwise
Azelphur: fair enough then I suppose, not as bad as I thought, only thing that would be nice is having it automate the entire process :)
Anduck: yea
kakobrekla: write a script
kakobrekla: publish it
kakobrekla: take the fame and chicks.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13150 @ 0.00096543 = 12.6954 BTC [+]
Anduck: i'll just irc elsewhere when i'm too lazy to do /msg assbot !up
kakobrekla: sounds like it does indeed work like it should.
Anduck: indeed.
starsoccer: ;;bcauth starsoccer
gribble: Request successful for user starsoccer, hostmask starsoccer!~starsocce@ Your challenge string is: freenode:#bitcoin-otc:42ade4b541beb1b9d5cd29f87d0869e645d30e8e914a85a2c3daa82a
Anduck: kakobrekla: then again, is that the purpose of this channel
ThickAsThieves: "A study in mice shows that trauma might be inherited through altered gene expression in sperm"
starsoccer: kk goived
starsoccer: kk voiced
kakobrekla: if you dont find it worth of typing !up, the content is not worthy of polluting this chan with
ThickAsThieves: question for you guys, I have someone that never claimed their S.MG PT shares on Havelock
ThickAsThieves: now they want them
ThickAsThieves: I have them on MPEX
ThickAsThieves: but do not run the PT anymore
ThickAsThieves: should i tell them to CoinBr? or?
ThickAsThieves: offer to sell into bids for them?
ThickAsThieves: i guess i could xfer some to HL and get them to coordinate, but then, really it may be easier to just buu them on HL
ThickAsThieves: oh lol, theyre way cheaper on HL
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5650 @ 0.00096543 = 5.4547 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: wow HL is slow now huh
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SMG] 2003 @ 0.00008 = 0.1602 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: ALC has raised 48btc
mircea_popescu: !down artifexd
assbot: Insufficient rights, mircea_popescu.
Duffer1: only 11152 short of their goal
mircea_popescu: Azelphur you never USED to talk much here, like [\\\]
mircea_popescu: but since the new rules you HAVe been talking a lot
mircea_popescu: perhaps 10x past week as your prev 2 months
Duffer1: it's nice to see recent havelock scams falling flat on their faces
mircea_popescu: so it's a case of the newspaper memory hole imo
Azelphur: mircea_popescu: hehe, sort of coincidence really, but yea :)
Anduck: kakobrekla: too bad but that's a lie
Anduck: lol
kakobrekla: what is?
Anduck: just fancy sounding words
Anduck: what you said before your last line
kakobrekla: its not a lie if i honestly believe so!
benkay: at a party last night someone said "all business transactions are fictitious" and apparently my reaction was amusing enough to justify staging a reenactment:
mircea_popescu: benkay so apparently you hang out with peopple who believe whatevert they don't understand doesn't really exist
mircea_popescu: and then come up with fancy ways to dress that shit up
benkay: nobody was serious
mircea_popescu: also omfg you & your friends may be the hipsterest people i know
benkay: well you're old thats no real surprise
ThickAsThieves: didnt people at parties look like that 10 years ago too?
ThickAsThieves: is hipsterism basically dressing like it's laundry day?
benkay: glorifying being broke?
mircea_popescu: i think you may be on to something there.
mircea_popescu: both of you
bounce: "just look at me being a dork but I get away with it because I'm cooler than thou"
bounce: from what little I've seen the dress code is quite amazingly strict, though.
ThickAsThieves: and the reason i'm cooler is because i say so and i want to be
ThickAsThieves: and, and because i'm an annoying contrarian
ThickAsThieves: sum it up?
bounce: plenty places have their own distinct subcultures. japan seems to have fscktons of kinds of hipsters.
ThickAsThieves: wouldnt that make them something else?
ThickAsThieves: i thought hipsters were dudes with mustaches & suspenders, and girls in wool dresses
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves except check this shit out : "clearly this shit works but it's a coincidence because i don't think it should or see why it would"
ThickAsThieves: i like those hipsters better
ThickAsThieves: potheads with style
ThickAsThieves: "sarcastic humor, self-imposed poverty and relaxed sexual codes."
bounce: ``During the jive era of the late 1930s and early 1940s, African-Americans began to use the term hip to mean "sophisticated, fashionable and fully up-to-date"'' --
mircea_popescu: that hipster sarcasm is the worst fucking cry for help i ever heard.
ThickAsThieves: "The words hep and hip are of uncertain origin"
ThickAsThieves: hepatitis?
mircea_popescu: it's like "please don't kick us out of here, we know we don't belong, can this count as a getoutof kicking ?"
ThickAsThieves: it's a disease and everyone wants it!
ThickAsThieves: be one of us
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3732 @ 0.00096536 = 3.6027 BTC [-]
bounce recalls some discussion about deep purple laughing about a bunch of others because they were so "out of tune with what was happening in londen at the time" -- due to having the wrong haircut
mircea_popescu: haircuts for men. definitely important.
bounce: it's the small things that mark you part of the pack
mircea_popescu: maybe that was neobee's problem
bounce: 80s, rock, long hair. yeah, haircuts are important.
mircea_popescu: denny didn't have the right ceocut.
bounce: bit late to try and sell'im that advice for 54 bitcoin
bounce: s/80s/70s/ I suppose. n'mind.
mircea_popescu: hair metal ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0485 = 0.1455 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06278234 = 0.1256 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: <robwizz22> Just so you know, I am an individual like you - NOT with any organization. I am not in any way associated with the NSA or other organization. On the other hand, you seem to be following their M.O. and trying to weaken security. You are basically simply committing fraud. What you've designed to date is totally useless and 100 times less secure than not buying any such device at all (i.e. using o
asciilifeform: <robwizz22> the shelf usb storage to store a private key and pass phrase). You are lying about its benefits. You've come up with something absolutely and utterly useless. If it's a scam, good job. I like how you spread FUD about me trying to "introduce heartbleed" (which doesn't make any sense - the Cardano is a USB device) when I pointed this out. You obviously are smart enough to know that is a simple a
asciilifeform: <robwizz22> complete lie, meant to play on people's recognition of the word "heartbleed bug" without knowing what it is. There is no SSL anywhere within 100 miles of a Cardano, nor did I ever mention it. You seem to be playing off of your audience's ignorance. Is this really want you want to be doing with your life? Selling snake oil? Being a fraud?
asciilifeform: <asciilifeform> you started out suggesting wifi and ssl. in the channel. now buzz off.
Apocalyptic: more attack vectors, \o/
asciilifeform: does sunlight only work against vampires? what does one zap spammers with?
benkay: /ignore
asciilifeform: benkay: doesn't seem to work for priv msgs.
Apocalyptic: asciilifeform, it should
benkay: asciilifeform: which widget?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dude you're incredible. why do you keep posting that stuff ?!
bounce: /ignore you MSG would do it here.
Apocalyptic: in Xchat you have to specify a mask followed by ALL if you want to block everything
mircea_popescu: i mean the original author sorta managed to get himself excreted, for this reason. what is it, like self loathing ?
asciilifeform: ok seems like that worked.
benkay: asciilifeform dreams of trolling his 'real' purposes out of him.
ozbot: toxin: XChat Ignore
asciilifeform: benkay: i've given up - the man's a broken record.
benkay: well it sounds as though he's progressed to calling /you/ a fraud. that's progress.
benkay: fraudgress
bounce: "this way to the egress"
benkay: wither the egrets though
bounce: and then they come back. regrets.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.08299776 = 0.166 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: lol regrets
mircea_popescu: aw shit my monitor's going ;/
mircea_popescu: just turned blue
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.608 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: wiggled the plug?
bounce: "es leuchtet blau" -- which for some reason is not nearly as funny in the original
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.60889999 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i hit it with my fist. it came back on
mircea_popescu: but you know...
asciilifeform: every nice crt i've ever owned, with or or two exceptions - eventually the raster goes
asciilifeform: usually horizontal
mircea_popescu: bounce this is the sort with the power inside
bounce: and a CRT to boot. you likes dem high voltage, no?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.58140023 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19165 @ 0.00096423 = 18.4795 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.04808333 = 0.1442 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03549 = 0.142 BTC [+]
bounce: though shouldn't be too heavy on the SMD stuff. ie, reasonably repairable.
asciilifeform: bounce: so long as the tube is alive, yes.
asciilifeform: somewhere, there probably still lives a man who can re-wind a burned yoke.
benkay: so i don't like crypto + aristocrat > cryptocrat
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.03548999 = 0.1065 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5940001 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: and you can get flybacks still.
bounce: or source a large stack of them for parts (and get money to take'em away)
benkay: cryptocracy?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20850 @ 0.00096327 = 20.0842 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: one day, a 'virginal' high quality crt will be a mega-luxury. like stradivarius.
bounce: buy up the factory for a song
benkay: mircea_popescu BingoBoingo bitcoinpete cryptocrats? cryptocracy?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5874999 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: benkay: Prolly to early for a label. Wait for some lulzy incedent to reveal the proper term.
benkay: buttcoiners i guess in the meantime
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.03549 = 0.1065 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: anyone care to recommend an irc client with whitelisting feature?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.595 BTC [+]
benkay: what do you mean by whitelisting, asciilifeform ?
asciilifeform: block all priv msgs. other than from whitelist
kakobrekla: benkay reverse blacklist :D
mircea_popescu: wayt what ?
benkay: do it yourself in erc?
fluffypony: benkay: didn't El Reg call mircea_popescu the Bitcoin Baron?
kakobrekla: a "biton"
bounce: ircII can do that. /ignore * MSG /ignore whitelisted ^MSG
benkay: the term is "bitlord"
fluffypony: "Romanian Bitcoin baron 'stumps up $20k to keep OpenBSD's lights on'"
benkay: can't say as i have any intention of taking style cues from linkbait article titles.
kakobrekla: fluffypony are you like new or smth?
fluffypony: kakobrekla: yes
fluffypony: I'm smth
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.04979635 = 0.1992 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.034111 = 0.1364 BTC [-]
benkay: what fraction of the runup to 1200 can we attribute to the bitlocker virus?
benkay: and is it not a thing any more?
kakobrekla: haxors got goxxed, back to prepaid cards.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24403 @ 0.00096735 = 23.6062 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11097 @ 0.0009687 = 10.7497 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: is everyone who does anything even vaguely public bedeviled by spammers?
kakobrekla: more or less yea.
fluffypony: spammers and/or trolls
mircea_popescu: anyway, assbot's 29 could be teh bitcoin barons, i see no problem.
mircea_popescu: we gotta start small, work our way up to dukery, not like some other douchebaggery, starting with dukes.
mircea_popescu: wink wink nudge nudge
mircea_popescu: benkay a fraction between 0 and epsilon.
BingoBoingo: lol, I was going to say something about it, but figured it would be more interesting to see when someone else brought up the Dukedoms
ozbot: Twitter / AltcoinAce: #CAI seeks to build 'first ...
mircea_popescu: check it out, another "first"
mircea_popescu: i suddenly had this vision of me being like, 75, and reading about this new, biggest, first bitcoin based exchange,
mircea_popescu: with options and shit.
mircea_popescu: ;;rate justusranvier 1 New blood
gribble: Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.
mircea_popescu: wait what!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0651124 = 0.6511 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: ;;rate justusranvier 1 New blood
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user justusranvier has been recorded.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell justusranvier to voice yourself in -assets you id with gribble then pm assbot !up
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ozbot: 6.120 billion | Next Diff in 674 blocks | Estimated Change: 10.3317% in 4d 4h 39m 26s
ThickAsThieves: Estimated Next Difficulty:7,131,644,633 (+16.54%)
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i was looking athte 9bn bet. seems a lock.
ThickAsThieves: it's getting tough to tell now
ThickAsThieves: at some point 15% is a shit ton of hash
mircea_popescu: that point being right abnout now lol.
mircea_popescu: < is it me or is the day of april 12th pretty much giving us the finger ?
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets stats
ThickAsThieves: you just like seeing boners in in your ta
mircea_popescu: also possible.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9050 @ 0.00096876 = 8.7673 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: ;;rate kanzure New blood
gribble: Error: 'New' is not a valid integer.
mircea_popescu: ;;rate kanzure 1 New blood
gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
mircea_popescu: kanzure srsly, get in teh wot.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 32 @ 0.00691276 = 0.2212 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: ;;rate tomservo 1 New blood
gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
mircea_popescu: !up garret
assbot: Voicing garret for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell TomServo get in wot wouldja ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
jurov: ThickAsThieves: if these S.MG peeps can auth with btc address, i can just add them to list at
jurov: oh i should update prices/dividends
mircea_popescu: stop giving the frenchie so much voice, you'll wear it out.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 20 @ 0.00710883 = 0.1422 BTC [+]
davout: the voice system sort of works like this
mircea_popescu: btw, you ever seen les veinards ?
davout: no
mircea_popescu: !up kanzure
assbot: Voicing kanzure for 30 minutes.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.58001098 = 2.32 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: it's my favourite french comedy for today
mircea_popescu: !up AltcoinAce
assbot: Voicing AltcoinAce for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: AltcoinAce this is the bitcoin assets channel. these are the people. up there are the logs. have fun!
AltcoinAce: interesting
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.57819097 = 6.3601 BTC [-] {10}
davout: i'll put it on my list
jurov: AltcoinAce you run some altcoin business?
AltcoinAce: Im just a trader
AltcoinAce: tis all
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.57500001 = 2.875 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: mostly for le vison. mireille d'arc / jacqueline monsigny
mircea_popescu: AltcoinAce what do you trade ?
AltcoinAce: currently focusing on alts and btc
AltcoinAce: Im working with some ppl
AltcoinAce: and learning before I move up to other stuff
AltcoinAce: will be trading forex soon
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 114 @ 0.0055646 = 0.6344 BTC [-] {8}
AltcoinAce: but crpyto is a good market to be in right now
mircea_popescu: sounds good.
AltcoinAce: everyday you can make 10-500% profit
AltcoinAce: doesnt happen in most markets haha
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1199 @ 0.00015 = 0.1799 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: !t h hif
assbot: [HAVELOCK:HIF] 1D: 0.00013712 / 0.00014521 / 0.00019348 (3360 shares, 0.48789385 BTC), 7D: 0.00010000 / 0.00024261 / 0.00042000 (30193 shares, 7.32523363 BTC), 30D: 0.00010000 / 0.00032505 / 0.00051299 (74487 shares, 24.21198821 BTC)
mircea_popescu: ;;rate novusordo 1 New blood
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user novusordo has been recorded.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell novusordo to voice yourself in assets you id with gribble then pm assbot !up
gribble: The operation succeeded.
kanzure: mircea_popescu: can you try rating me again pls
kanzure: ouch: 14:45 <assbot> You need a better WOT rating. (level 2 with assbot >0)
mircea_popescu: ;;rate kanzure 1 New blood
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user kanzure has been recorded.
kanzure: exciting
jurov: ;;rate kanzure 1 i have seen your github
gribble: Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.
mircea_popescu: !down jurov
assbot: mircea_popescu, you can't do that to jurov.
jurov: lol
mircea_popescu: jurov is 4ever alone because assbot cockblocks
kanzure: what is the type of unit for the number i provide to the rate command?
jurov: ;;rate kanzure 1 i have seen your github
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user kanzure has been recorded.
kanzure: eg why 1 instead of 0.1 ?
mircea_popescu: kanzure in [-10, 10]
jurov: ;;rate kanzure 0.000001 i have seen your github
gribble: Error: '0.000001' is not a valid integer.
kanzure: gribble is a hater
mircea_popescu: he's just got his integrity.
jurov: you can't have fractional trust or distrust
kanzure: so i should read this as '10 trusts'?
mircea_popescu: first off, you don't need fractions, you could just as well increase the max for same effect
mircea_popescu: second off, 10 levels is plenty. how fine can your brain work ?
bounce: pfft. and there I was, wanting to rate 3.1415927. can't doo that. boo!
mircea_popescu: so round.
jurov: kanzure: you should read the comments, numbers are just numbers
mircea_popescu: a 3 is just as good as a pee to a blind bat
bounce: then we'll just have to stick to biblical notions of "round", no?
jurov: what's biblical notion of round?
jurov: oh that was the answer? mkay
bounce: 1 kings 7 verse 23
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24050 @ 0.00096907 = 23.3061 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: "Amazing: @Chase just cancelled my debit card because a merchant may or may not have been hacked. They didn't call. Won't tell me who."
ThickAsThieves: thanks jurov, i'll keep it in mind, it's so few people/shares at this point that I doubt it'll happen much more
mircea_popescu: you know this completely blows me away. there's like... 2 assets on hl that didn't lose most of the investor's money, and the total investment in them was... bitcents ?
mircea_popescu: meanwhile all sorts of bizarre shit supposedly gets 100s of btc, if not k's.
mircea_popescu: it just dun compute this.
ThickAsThieves: as suspected in the past, they may be satsisfying an urge to gamble, not invest
mircea_popescu: !up Tiraspol
assbot: Voicing Tiraspol for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: nice name :p
ozbot: Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: How's your Aurora scamcoin ...
kakobrekla: she was behind aurora?
mircea_popescu: she works for max keiser. they were pumping it together.
mircea_popescu: it's not clear if they actually owned it or just shill for pay, but after all what the hell's the difference.
ThickAsThieves: maxcoin is now below novacoin in market cap
ThickAsThieves: "market cap"
ThickAsThieves: AUR just below it
mircea_popescu: such success. much well done.
ThickAsThieves: meanwhile doge sitting at $27m
mircea_popescu: sure, just as long as the scammers pushing it own 99.99% of it all.
ThickAsThieves: Altcoin still not on the list
mircea_popescu: and should anyone sell and it drop another 50%, why, they'll just hardfork it again
ozbot: cloudflare_challenge
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform tweeted it :D
asciilifeform: a bit stale news, sorry. but i think it notable.
mircea_popescu: i like teh pic.
asciilifeform: wonder if i'm the only one who automatically thought 'diversion' when the heartbleed crap came out.
mircea_popescu: moar like warning shot.
asciilifeform: as if there is such a thing as a kitchen with exactly one roach.
mircea_popescu: or you meant of cloudflare's reaction ?
asciilifeform: nah, of the 'bug' being made public, with catchy name & logo.
mircea_popescu: if you're going to humiliate, might as well humiliate in detail.
joecool: !up
assbot: Need a nickname, joecool.
mircea_popescu: !up urmom
assbot: Voicing urmom for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: shadow führer decides that a certain pwnhole has outlived its useful life, decides to create a 'dangle' (i believe this is the english technical term for 'слив')
mircea_popescu: the problem with the shadow fuhrer is that he couldn't conceivably find a reason to be bothered with actual holes.
mircea_popescu: he'd be much happier in the realm of shadow-holes.
mod6: kakobrekla: do you run
asciilifeform: the purpose of 'hearbleed' et al isn't traffic intercept. (why intercept when you have root on the 'cloud' crapfarms?)
kakobrekla: mod6 no
mod6: ok
asciilifeform: it's to 'bake terrorists'
asciilifeform: create/modify arbitrary turds in mid-flight.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform think strategically. 1. "you didn't know we knew, did you ? fail" vs 2. "you didn't know we knew, did you ? OR that a website was all ready to go. just how fucking inept are you, can't find a website, srsly ?"
mircea_popescu: 2 is much better.
mircea_popescu: mod6 iirc kakobrekla knew the people running it
kakobrekla: knows
mircea_popescu: kako knoes
bounce: baking is terrism now?
asciilifeform: ;;google new york death ray plot
gribble: Assassination threats against Barack Obama - Wikipedia, the free ...: <>; Man Pleads Guilty in Plot to Build Mobile Death Ray | Global ...: <>; New York men arrested for building death ray machine in plot to kill ...: (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: jhahahaha what
asciilifeform: classic product of the bakery.
mod6: ahh, im gonna write to them. my atc bot sends up http requests to get some json back so we can do things like: last_block, diff, etc. but from time to time, my host/ip seems to get tar-pitted. even for a low threshold.
mircea_popescu: "In 2013, two men from upstate New York were arrested after building a radioactive "death ray" device and plotting to use it against Muslims"
mod6: Wonder if they would white-list me to a higher threshold for coins.
mircea_popescu: what the fuck is a radioactive death ray.
asciilifeform: s/building/buying from insistent fbi stoolies
mircea_popescu: is it like bottled pedophilia racism carbon ?
bounce: not some shrewd 20something with a datafeed brokerage yet?
bounce: and get paid by both sides, why not
asciilifeform: a gaggle of idiots was prodded, by american police, into paying to have a (physically wildly implausible) x-ray cannon 'built'
asciilifeform: and before that, a steady stream of morons who paid for (fake) 'sterela' units
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform is there any proof whatsoever this charade included anything other/different from the soviet wrecker "confessions" ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not afaik.
bounce: the us "justice" system appears to be a, waht was it, chumpatron with press gangs
bounce: s/waht/what/
asciilifeform: *strela
mircea_popescu: bounce not yet. whole shebang build to make him possible since at least 2012, yet he's not here yet.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1500 @ 0.00013181 = 0.1977 BTC [-] {7}
mircea_popescu: all sorts of fake-shrewd 20yo morons however, humping the "first best largest" delusion humptrain
mircea_popescu: from atop, it's kinda fascinating/shocking just how moronic people are.
asciilifeform: the 'a) wanna buy strela? b) fuck off c) really, dontcha? b) ok sure c) off to jail' thing has been going so long that it doesn't even make national news every time now.
bounce: hm. maybe I should try and fake this 20something for a bit then.
mircea_popescu: da fuck is strela
asciilifeform: ;;google strela rocket
gribble: Strela (rocket) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <>; Strela 2 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <>; Russian Strela rocket launches Kondor satellite | NASASpaceFlight ...: <>
mircea_popescu: uh why do they want a rocket ?
mircea_popescu: bounce easier for you to fake being 20 than for bona fide 20yos to fake having a brain
asciilifeform: devil only knows
asciilifeform: ;;google strela manpad
gribble: Strela 2 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <>; Man-portable air-defense systems - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <>; SA-7 GRAIL (9K32M Strela-2): <>
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform are they also going to launch it from their asshole, like fireworks ?
asciilifeform: that one.
bounce: oh lookit, a stealth compliment. still, looks like work. where's me overalls?
asciilifeform: not the fat rocket. the thin one.
asciilifeform: comes with tube.
mircea_popescu: wasn't it a 3 month training course to be cleared with those ?
asciilifeform: analogous to american 'stinger'
mircea_popescu: not that analoguous
asciilifeform: that one.
bounce: strela 1: big fat rocket. strela 2: weight watchers "rocket"
mircea_popescu: widely exported, and perhaps the #1 cause of friendly fire casualties in "unorganised" conflcits
asciilifeform: yeah, ir sensor doesn't care who the tailpipe it flies into belongs to.
bounce: not the antitank thingy with the big head?
mircea_popescu: aren't these a bitch to properly discharge, have to handle the tube as itlaunches ?
mircea_popescu: bounce this is an surface-to-air thing
asciilifeform: if they sold faux 'stingers,' not even the dumbest 'candidate' would believe.
asciilifeform: re: 'wreckers' - correct. since the entire raison d'etre of the u.s. security apparatus is now 'terrorism' - well, the fireman, absent a fire, buys a box of matches.
asciilifeform: the reason to bring this crapfest up - u.s. 'intelligence' apparatus has a number of purposes quite apart, and difficult to confuse for, intelligence.
asciilifeform: (and 'sawing apart' the public purse isn't the only such)
mircea_popescu: i entirely fail to see how "combing upstate ny for hilbillies inept enough to imagine they can fire magic death upon random targets" is in any sense the business of intel.
mircea_popescu: more importantly, any intelligent people remaining have a lot of trouble continuing to do anything worthwhile in such an environment.
asciilifeform: it's the business of traditional goons, e.g. fbi. intel is 'classy.' rather create a sinner by injecting packets.
mircea_popescu: imagine a start-up where the entire office did nothing but play minigolf all day.
asciilifeform: not to plant evidence for any court, of course. for the consumption of... fellow 'intel' folks.
asciilifeform: start-up where the entire office did nothing but play minigolf << that's the sv norm, no?
mircea_popescu: these days i guess.
mircea_popescu: !up punkman
assbot: Voicing punkman for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: ;;rate punkman 1 New blood
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user punkman has been recorded.
asciilifeform: 'sheikh khalid goatfuckeiman encodes instructions for mujaheddeen in his sheep porn gifs.' - 'unfortunately, he doesn't. sometimes a sheep is only a sheep.' - 'let's see what we can do.'
asciilifeform: year later, drone strike, medals.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla 137 : 92.
mircea_popescu: mwahahaha
asciilifeform: this is actually a very tame hypothesis. intel agencies traditionally plant dangles for their colleagues of other (not necessarily unfriendly) kingdoms. and, given the u.s. being a fractured empire, why not dangles for... their fellows.
mircea_popescu: that's for a long time been the lol of alltime.
mircea_popescu: there was a secret special dept in teh fsb dedicated to exactly this.
asciilifeform: sure was.
mircea_popescu: help state fight defense and so forth
asciilifeform: anyone remember the '20% of all gifs contain stego' newsbit?
asciilifeform: ages ago.
asciilifeform: can't say that i personally tested.
asciilifeform: but, if fact, the above would be a parsimonious explanation.
asciilifeform: ye read it here phurst (tm).
mircea_popescu: how would you test such a thing.
mircea_popescu: "20% of everything women says includes subtext"
mircea_popescu: well... gl ?
asciilifeform: almost by definition, you can only 'test' for piss-poor stego.
mircea_popescu: !up veeminer
assbot: Voicing veeminer for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: simplest scheme - straight payload in low bits of colour channels.
mircea_popescu: !up ishauli
assbot: Voicing ishauli for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: extract, test for known file headers
mircea_popescu: ----BEGIN
mircea_popescu: incidentally : gpg armored lends itself splendidly to stego : the payload byte is only a few bits
asciilifeform: stego that doesn't 'scream stego' is a whole art.
asciilifeform: the only purpose of 'encode obvious payload in low colour bits' is as a university class demo. and for planting.
asciilifeform: then again, the folks who (see mp's essay) reinvented caesar's cipher might well use it.
asciilifeform: or we shall be told that they do.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3134 @ 0.00096745 = 3.032 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: (good intro to subject)
bounce: for some reason I can never actually read much of fravia.
asciilifeform: (don't bother writing to herr fravia re: stego or his famous cracking tutorials. he's dead.)
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu 92 ??
kakobrekla: you mean 123
kakobrekla: if i was a whore id be at 200+
kakobrekla: now im just an idiot.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 200 @ 0.00074988 = 0.15 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 306 @ 0.00074988 = 0.2295 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 250 @ 0.00078 = 0.195 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22000 @ 0.00096537 = 21.2381 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: i was on the sent tab for some reason
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16756 @ 0.00096326 = 16.1404 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: !up Visitor_
assbot: Voicing Visitor_ for 30 minutes.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6694 @ 0.00096109 = 6.4335 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24600 @ 0.00096745 = 23.7993 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20680 @ 0.00096916 = 20.0422 BTC [+] {2}
ozbot: BitBet - Bitcoin network difficulty > 14Bn on Bastille day
mircea_popescu: 2 months away is like... 4-5 periods
ozbot: 6.120 billion | Next Diff in 663 blocks | Estimated Change: 9.7849% in 4d 3h 38m 22s
Apocalyptic: dat diff
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10904 @ 0.00096987 = 10.5755 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 14/6.12
gribble: 2.28758169935
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 1.23**4
gribble: 2.28886641
mircea_popescu: basically needs 23% each time. this ain't happening.
cgcardona_: the difficulty is freaking exploding.
cgcardona_: no connection to the price. all based on speculation of the future value of a coin right?
mircea_popescu: Resolution: in 3 months 2 days. that's more like 6 periods actually.
kakobrekla: cgcardona_ no, all based on preorders
cgcardona_: kakobrekla: ah, good point
mircea_popescu: cgcardona_ not really. the relatively high pricing of the usd is based on (baseless) speculation of its future value.
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 1.194**6
gribble: 2.89751678698
mircea_popescu: still 19% seems a push.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2200 @ 0.00096578 = 2.1247 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: !up JorgePasada
assbot: Voicing JorgePasada for 30 minutes.
JorgePasada: Heyo :-)
JorgePasada: Thanks for the voice
cgcardona_: this is the only room i've been in where voice actually means something.
cgcardona_: usually its the "i'm kinda in the club" flag
mircea_popescu: interesting
mircea_popescu: kinda the same here no ?
mircea_popescu: JorgePasada i guess now you gotta bug benkay to rate you
JorgePasada: That reminds me, we should have a euro version of the ATM prototyped within 3 weeks
JorgePasada: bill acceptor is different so we need a diff case
cgcardona_: the way I view it here is (per trilema) this is a room for professionals. we tie our identity to our gpg keys so there's accountability. Granted I've only been in the room a week so what do I know?
mircea_popescu: eh what the hey.
mircea_popescu: ;;rate JorgePasada 1 New blood.
gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
mircea_popescu: tsk. get in the wot will you.
cgcardona_: my point exactly ^
mircea_popescu: cgcardona_ but technically it's like... "i'm in the club", as in, "i am a barber"
mircea_popescu: or w/e, "a barrister"
cgcardona_: as in 'this room isn't a room where anyone can talk about shoes. it's a room where shoe makers can talk about anything.' ?
kakobrekla: just dont mention purses.
cgcardona_: #purses-assets
mircea_popescu: the bitcoin pourse ?
mircea_popescu: no wait. the pitcoin pourse
artifexd: <mircea_popescu> kakobrekla 137 : 92 << What's that about?
kakobrekla: AND ITS NOT 92
kakobrekla: dammit.
artifexd: Ok. Still... what is it about?
kakobrekla: im not telling until the result of the equation is less than 1
artifexd: Ah. WOT rating total. Current would be 137:123
artifexd: ;;rate kakobrekla 1 Runs assbot
gribble: Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.
artifexd: ;;rate kakobrekla 1 Runs assbot
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user kakobrekla has been recorded.
artifexd: 137:124
kakobrekla: awww, ty. 13 to go.
kakobrekla: lemme grab two socks real quick.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6600 @ 0.00096987 = 6.4011 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: artifexd we've had this thing going for ... 2 years now ?
mircea_popescu: and moar like 139:124. mwahahaha
asciilifeform: from the freakshow:
asciilifeform: (in all major languages!)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.06281638 = 1.0051 BTC [-] {5}
BingoBoingo: Update on the Emperor's Clothing racket
thestringpuller: ;;seen mod6
gribble: mod6 was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 hours, 36 minutes, and 27 seconds ago: <mod6> Wonder if they would white-list me to a higher threshold for coins.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5752001 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 15884 @ 0.00011316 = 1.7974 BTC [-] {41}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6548 @ 0.00096578 = 6.3239 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4116 @ 0.00012309 = 0.5066 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1468 @ 0.00012251 = 0.1798 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 43 @ 0.05026895 = 2.1616 BTC [+] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.035 = 0.21 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3532 @ 0.0001138 = 0.4019 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.05071427 = 0.355 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.05158326 = 0.3095 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9900 @ 0.00096047 = 9.5087 BTC [-] {2}
cgcardona_: This chart blew my mind
cgcardona_: the network effect of finance
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.57999993 = 1.74 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5910001 BTC [+]
TestingUnoDosTre: ^isn't that a joke
TestingUnoDosTre: this guy can make a living doing terrorist jokes, but when a little white girl does something retarded like sending a tweet claiming to be some foreigner the FBI gets involved
ozbot: Jeff Dunham-Achmed The Dead Terroist - YouTube
kakobrekla: nah fuck the fbi, its her reaction.
mircea_popescu: cgcardona_ seems more like a fitted graph than anything. where did they get the n ?
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla lol
cgcardona_: not sure where they got the data honestly. need to research deeper.
cgcardona_: the first time I saw it I thought it was fake because it fit so well.
cgcardona_: i'll see if I can dig up the reddit thread
TestingUnoDosTre: Actually, she is a huge Bieber fan, lock her in solitary and the world will be a better place
cgcardona_: i think it's funny how you can see the large dip in the green line which is the green line. I'm wondering if that is just bad data or there really were just that many fewer addresses used those days
cgcardona_: *green line which is the green line* <----huh?
cgcardona_: *which is the unique addresses used per day
kakobrekla: i dunno mp just dont take my ip, i got just this one.
mircea_popescu: cgcardona_ actually they're using every trick in the book. most any two natural curves will look "fitted" in a log 10 graph
mircea_popescu: i would say upon examination this is exactly typical of the reddit mental process. very circular, very brandy futility.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: << i'll send you cookies :P lol
cgcardona_: yes I'm glad I found this room MP. the bitcoin forum is the bottom of the barrel and reddit is mostly memes and flamewars as well. (though don't ge me wrong. I enjoy a good meme and/or flamewar)
cgcardona_: *don't get me wrong
mircea_popescu: me either, but neither are science.
mircea_popescu: just for your own education, take two random things, such i dunno... sin(x) and cos(x) then draw them on a log graph. see how splendidly they fit
cgcardona_: it's funny how IRC is **still** the best social network (forgive the term)
cgcardona_: it's been the best place for me to interact in real time for years
mircea_popescu: and i mean if those two fit... then there's no fucking hope anymore.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 7 @ 0.0178997 = 0.1253 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: TestingUnoDosTre true story : i was in the bank the other day, and they had these timberlake concert fliers. i picked one up and told my pa "doesn't this guy look just like a waiter ?". he did, dressed all up for the job, too.
mircea_popescu: the bank clerk was all excited "oh, you're going ? i'm going too!"
thestringpuller: 22:23 <+cgcardona_> it's funny how IRC is **still** the best social network (forgive the term)i miss BBS; it got phased out when I was just a little one
cgcardona_: was hitting some bbs from telnet recently. it was a trip
cgcardona_: the ascii art is off the hook
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller fucking phones tho. it took forever.
cgcardona_: there's still quite a few boards out there.
mircea_popescu: im impatient
TestingUnoDosTre: MP, what was that cloudflare twit about?
joecool: probably the private key extraction challenge
TestingUnoDosTre: why were you talking about govt sponsored antisec stuff
mircea_popescu: this shit. doesn't he look just like the maitre d' ?
mircea_popescu: TestingUnoDosTre because it is my considered opinion that that's what cloudflare is.
cgcardona_: classic.
TestingUnoDosTre: oooo gotcha
joecool: should get his number, call to make a reservation
mircea_popescu: by now they're on tap as a "free trial" on every budged webhoster out there. gimme a break.
cgcardona_: now I'm picturing sean parker as the maitre d'.
mircea_popescu: loose tie'd never work
ozbot: BitBet - BitPay will succeed before Q2 2015
mircea_popescu: look art that list. not a single fucking "company" in there does anything.
mircea_popescu: and these are the "successes".
mircea_popescu: Xobni ?!
mircea_popescu: 280 North ?!
mircea_popescu: i mean holy shit.
mircea_popescu: Mailgun. "Mailgun is a set of powerful APIs that allow you to send, receive and track email effortlessly."
cgcardona_: omgpop
cgcardona_: what about heroku?
cgcardona_: they're pretty cool IMO.
mircea_popescu: i guess, but let alone cool, let's talk money.
mircea_popescu: would you pay $100 for anything they do ?
cgcardona_: sure. they sold for over $200 mil to salesforce
cgcardona_: i pay them about $40 a month
cgcardona_: so yea
mircea_popescu: you do ?
cgcardona_: i have projects on heroku yea. i'm a rails dev for part of my job
mircea_popescu: i guess i'm just hopelessly antiquated
cgcardona_: for the ssl endpoints I pay
cgcardona_: says the bitlord
cgcardona_: i doubt your antiquated
mircea_popescu: rails is like... o god. i think only php is moar hated than rails here
mircea_popescu: lemme see maybe i have a link
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
joecool: ruby on rails, it's the hipster way™
mircea_popescu: well we had bad experiences. in bitcoin i mean. there was that atrocious hole last year, pretty much put bitcoin-central on its ass.
mircea_popescu: then there's vircurex, tho that's probably a case of pebkac
mircea_popescu: but w/e, heroku, has a paas platform people use.
mircea_popescu: how about all the other 60 shits in that list!
TestingUnoDosTre: I'm thinking of making a bet along the lines of "bitstamp will issue a news statement that they are freezing bitcoin withdraws in the next 3 months." Thoughts, comments?
mircea_popescu: Gantto. Gantto is a web based planning application. Users can collaborate in real-time to create and edit Gantt charts.
mircea_popescu: really ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7109 @ 0.00095977 = 6.823 BTC [-]
cgcardona_: lol. fucking classic
mircea_popescu: TestingUnoDosTre um... a la mtgox ?
cgcardona_: "it's a social network of Gantt charts!" "fund em"
mircea_popescu: this reminds me of costanza's investment.
cgcardona_: and paul graham retired so the new dude can scale it 10X
cgcardona_: think of the good times ahead
ozbot: :: Scripts :: 05-The Stock Tip
mircea_popescu: GEORGE: It’s called Sendrax. They’ve got some new kind of technique for televising opera.
mircea_popescu: ELAINE: Televising opera?
mircea_popescu: GEORGE: Some sort of electronic thingy.
joecool: hmm whatever happened to tradehill
TestingUnoDosTre: Not necessarily exactly mt gox style, but that would be included. Something like this would be included as well
mircea_popescu: joecool kenna tried to relaunch, the girl told him where to stick it, he wasn't heard from since ?
mircea_popescu: TestingUnoDosTre idjits srsly. 2fa would have done exactly nothing./
TestingUnoDosTre: Wait, why is that?
mircea_popescu: Cardpool. "Cardpool makes it ridiculously easy to buy and sell pre-owned gift cards. Customers can buy gift cards for up to 35% off or sell unwanted gift cards for cash ."
joecool: i assumed they gave up running an exchange and were focusing on trying to sell a plaform to someone else
mircea_popescu: TestingUnoDosTre because the server bleeds memory, in principle you can decrypt their 2fa challenge as well as anything else.
mircea_popescu: joecool i heard the same thing but notrly substantiated.
mircea_popescu: The Fridge. "The Fridge is a platform for lightweight single serving social networks for the functionality of Facebook without being on Facebook."
cgcardona_: MP - this is the new dude who took over ycombinator and his new request for submissions post
mircea_popescu: i reiterate. the above was... a success ?
cgcardona_: hopefully the quality of YC companies will improve
mircea_popescu: cgcardona_ it can not.
cgcardona_: perma-broke?
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: "Deliberately and quite maliciously tried to meld the BleedingHeart openssl vulnerability into the Bitcoin code." << you're referring to the 2FA they wanted to put in awhile back?
cgcardona_: borked
mircea_popescu: cgcardona_ things degrade naturally, the same vicious circle as exhibited by used car markets that lemon laws try to fix : any seller with above-average value is disincentivised from participating.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller no. to the pki they tried toi get in "for verifying merchant's addresses" in spite of... everyone's objections.
mircea_popescu: Munch On Me. "Munch On Me is a food discovery portal that connects people with great food at great prices in local communities."
mircea_popescu: dude fucking hell. if it were, call girl services, so you can eat your powerlunch on a naked arts major, it'd have made more sense.
mircea_popescu: VoiceGem. "Voicegem is the easiest way to send a voice message to anyone."
mircea_popescu: apparently... phones are an app now.
mircea_popescu: SocialCam. "Socialcam is the easiest way to share video with your friends and on social networks."
mircea_popescu: like you know... all the functionality of being on chatroulette without being on chatroulette.
mircea_popescu: or in other words... penis.
cgcardona_: ": dude fucking hell. if it were, call girl services, so you can eat your powerlunch on a naked arts major, it'd have made more sense." <-- epic
cgcardona_: that's a kickstarter I'd fund ^
artifexd: For science, here is cos(x) graphed against sin(x) on a log10 scale:
mircea_popescu: "munch on me, munch off me, either way lunch is on me!"
cgcardona_: yea when YC last year offered to fund people w/ no ideas the shark was officially jumped
mircea_popescu: there, we have a logo
cgcardona_: haha nice
artifexd: I guess if you shift it, it could fit.
cgcardona_: ;;rate artifexd 1 for science
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user artifexd has been recorded.
cgcardona_: nice work artifexd
mircea_popescu: artifexd i guess my worst fucking example ever.
artifexd: For further science and verification of mircea_popescu theory, here is tan(x) graphed against sin(x):
artifexd: Verification of mircea_popescu theory failed.
cgcardona_: looks like thighs and a stomach leaning forward
TestingUnoDosTre: is that the logo for Munch on me?
cgcardona_: hahaha
cgcardona_: *ties it together*
artifexd: Random formulas aside, I do understand your point that any growing trend can be fitted to match any other growing trend if you futz with the scales enough.
mircea_popescu: that's what i fucking had in mind. im entirely unsure why i thought /log(x) is a homomorphism of a log scale, but anywa
cgcardona_: data porn is the best. imagine all the poor saps throughout history who had to make critical decisions in the moment and didn't have mounds of data porn to pour over.
mircea_popescu: cgcardona_ their job was easier, as they prolly hadn't invented the adversarial system either, so they could actually reach some sort of a decision.
artifexd: << That's going into my bookmark list. I resorted to some silly site where I had to take screenshots and upload them to imgur.
mircea_popescu: mp. even when he's wrong, you learn shit.
mircea_popescu: that's gonna be my slogan for a while.
cgcardona_: mp. talks in 3rd person
cgcardona_: thats a good slogan too
artifexd: ;;rate mircea_popescu 1 Teaches me shit even when he's wrong
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mircea_popescu: artifexd I do understand your point that << that's only half the point. this much is valid, but!
mircea_popescu: it takes a minimally trained eye to notice gross unfitness in a log graph.
mircea_popescu: because what appears "close" is way the fuck out over there. as in the original graph, midway. the thing's all over the place.
artifexd: Would the other half be that numbers can be molested to demonstrate whatever whack theory the molester wants to demonstrate?
mircea_popescu: << look from 700 to say 900
mircea_popescu: if those two fit you're basically saying that anally inserting a pea and a horse's head is roughly similar.
mircea_popescu: roughly it may be, but similar not.
cgcardona_: i see your point. on a log scale
mircea_popescu: on a log scale any two things are within an inch of each other.
dub: this is lame
mircea_popescu: hey dubsy!
dub: ahoy
mircea_popescu: cgcardona_ i mean for curiosity's sake, re-do the same graph but not in log(10). in log(1024) instead. fucking flatlines.
mircea_popescu: dub so what's so lame about it ?
dub: lets make a shorter list, whats not lame about it
mircea_popescu: TextPayMe. "Founded in 2005, TextPayMe is an SMS payment service that lets you send money to other people using cell phone."
cgcardona_: sounds like it could be huge
cgcardona_: these kids today and their "cell phones"
cgcardona_: *fund em*
mircea_popescu: dub trick question.
mircea_popescu: Parakey. "Parakey was founded in early 2006 by Blake Ross and Joe Hewitt of Mozilla/ Firefox fame. Little has been revealed about."
mircea_popescu: "a company for carrying out an undertaking of great advantage, but nobody to know what it is"
mircea_popescu: Whereoscope. Whereoscope is a service designed to help parents keep know where their kids are.
mircea_popescu: actual crunchbase profile. fucking written by $.75 an hour indians that thing.
artifexd: ;;rate mircea_popescu 2 Teaches me shit
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user mircea_popescu has changed from 1 to 2.
mircea_popescu: !up zoinky
assbot: Voicing zoinky for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: Divvyshot. "Divvyshot allows groups of friends to share their photos easily, at their full resolutions. It was a Y Combinator participant."
mircea_popescu: kiko. Kiko is a web calendar for anyone who wants to keep and share a calendar online. Kiko excels at three main things:
mircea_popescu: surprise, fear and a fanatical devotion to the pope.
mircea_popescu: SocialPicks. "SocialPicks provides individual investors with a trusted online investing community where they can invest smarter together."
mircea_popescu: o look, someone ipo'd bitcointalk/securities.
TestingUnoDosTre: ;;rate mircea_popescu knows where to find inexpensive indian writers
gribble: Error: 'knows' is not a valid integer.
mircea_popescu: sold out for 8mn
TestingUnoDosTre: ;;rate mircea_popescu 1 knows where to find inexpensive indian writers
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user mircea_popescu has been recorded.
mircea_popescu: TestingUnoDosTre actually i think jurov does
TestingUnoDosTre: seriously?
artifexd: It's a veritable rate-fest in here.
TestingUnoDosTre: I'm looking to start a blog on climate science
mircea_popescu: good niche.
mircea_popescu: huge shortage of words on that topic
mircea_popescu: </sarcasm
TestingUnoDosTre: I was joking as well
mircea_popescu: Finally, its worth noting that Y Combinator has funded a total of 564 companies. More than 150 of those companies are less than 18 months old. Therefore, 80% of the companies are older than 18 months and have not been acquired.
mircea_popescu: anyway. epic article, all the lulz one could want for an evening.
TestingUnoDosTre: all of them!
cgcardona_: YC = £u£$
cgcardona_: they do it for the lulz ^
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.587 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 410.62, Best ask: 412.0, Bid-ask spread: 1.38000, Last trade: 412.0, 24 hour volume: 12445.68945649, 24 hour low: 397.16, 24 hour high: 427.75, 24 hour vwap: 410.365466491
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 182,759.50 / 410.365466491
gribble: Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number.
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 182759.50 / 410.365466491
gribble: 445.357894178
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0645 = 0.645 BTC [+]
ozbot: BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment
cgcardona_: I like this one. - looks like someone came in right before it broke 400 and make some coin
TestingUnoDosTre: It wasn't RIGHT before
cgcardona_: *made some coin
cgcardona_: i haven't checked the charts. how long before was it?
TestingUnoDosTre: there was a 10k buy wall around when s/he made that bet
TestingUnoDosTre: My bet, the refund, was quite very near the change
mircea_popescu: so like 10 hours early.
ozbot: List of Victims of Their Own Success |
mircea_popescu: ahaha. ty bitcoin-assets wiki, i had forgotten this one
mircea_popescu: (for new people : mtgox failed miserably a year ago, this time. their lag was routinely in the half hour range. it's all in the logs. their response ? "we are a victim of our own success!!1"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.596 BTC [+]
TestingUnoDosTre: this under 300 bet is very intruiging
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.0645 = 0.9675 BTC [+]
TestingUnoDosTre: also been quite surprised about the amoung of gigahashes that have been dropped on the network in the last day or so
mircea_popescu: But in either case, the race is on : the governments are mining, boys and girls. (The good news, of course, is that they’ve started about at the same time, which means we have cleared the ONLY roadblock Bitcoin ever seriously had in its path. We’re done here, we’ve won.)
ozbot: Things that matter these days ; things that don’t matter these days. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mirce
mod6: heh, its up almost 10TH/s
mod6: *10k
artifexd: How do you know that governments are mining, much less which governments and to what degree?
mircea_popescu: apparently i got my own nsa
TestingUnoDosTre: should I be laughing or not?
mircea_popescu: anyway. the bed's just filed extradition papers so ima have to bid you a very good laters!
mod6: night
artifexd: If it is an educated guess, that's cool. What I'm asking is whether you have any independently verifiable proof that governments are mining? (Like, verifiable by someone like, you know, me)
benkay: << then there's cavirtex which is django, a scam, and has shipped precisely zero since their original thinger.
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
benkay: artifexd: ain't nobody sharing information like that for free.
benkay: sam altman running y combinator
benkay: graham tire of the derp circus?
artifexd: Without inside knowledge, how could you verify it? The only information that actually links to the miner is the coinbase script and I haven't seen any scripts with "Mined by US GSA" in them.
asciilifeform: gotta love how he suggests 'cheap energy!11!' as a yc startup idea.
asciilifeform: yes, the fellow who builds the mythical magic reactor surely needs $15k of 'invest' and a spell in trendoid bootcamp.
benkay: << give it five years, plot a line on the log scale and see how beautifully it fits
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
asciilifeform: see mp's essay re: how dog sees every other creature as a type of dog
benkay: artifexd: another point on this topic is that intelligence is completely unverifiable. your source may be compromised, your source may be lying, all sorts of things may be true.
benkay: a not entirely thing to say about mircea_popescu's sources is that there's a nonzero chance they're trained ninjas who've infiltrated both the us and sino mining operations
asciilifeform: benkay: the science of how to verify intelligence is not a secret.
benkay: not entirely crazy
asciilifeform: plenty has been written on the subject, since at least machiavelli
benkay: if its your spy im sure you can make some guesses
artifexd: Sure. But there's nothing other than "Because I said so".
benkay: but if it's my spy, and you want to know how good the report is
artifexd: Unless his "I got my own nsa" statement was not a joke and was actually a comment on his research team.
asciilifeform: any serious commercial organization has an intelligence arm
asciilifeform: again, not a secret, in itself.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5525 @ 0.00096005 = 5.3043 BTC [+]
benkay: so an entity with an intelligence arm claims a thing is true and says 'get stuffed' when you ask 'but how ams u knooooow?'. how as a prole in -assets are you going to ever verify something the entity spent an unknown amount of money discovering?
benkay: artifexd: i think the joke is that the nsa would love to have access to mp's intel.
asciilifeform: benkay: in such a case, you must either take the advice or leave it
benkay: not that i'd know. derpy kid as myself.
benkay: asciilifeform: points about verification aside, that'd be the point i'm trying to pound into artifexd
asciilifeform: let's say you live in a place where earthquakes are a regular thing
asciilifeform: you may or may not know the gory details of how a seismologist does his work
asciilifeform: but if the fellow warned you in time once, twice...
benkay: i'm with you 100%
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