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MisterE: not the country but the continent
akstunt600: they trade phone card and minutes before bitcoin tho
MisterE: yes
MisterE: but people are looking at challenging them in that market using the BTC network for processing
MisterE: iirc
Duffer1: mpesa and kipochii
MisterE: as usual the fees are regressive for the poor who need it the most
HeySteve: Bitcoin is difficult to introduce to people with poor computing skills
minersdidit: um its not that easy to get money to a jungle in the middle of nowhere
minersdidit: bitcoin requires first world infrastructure
MisterE: sure it is if people beleve the text messages
MisterE: so does fiat
mircea_popescu: arguable if the very poor need it more than the not-as-very-poor anyway
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15650 @ 0.0009623 = 15.06 BTC [+]
HeySteve: cellular infrastructure in africa is surprisingly good
minersdidit: why would someone very poor want bitcoin? pretty sure digits on a computer are the least of their concerns
benkay: bitcoin for remittances is a decade early if you're talking about sending btc to farmers.
minersdidit: bitcoin cant work for remittances becuase you will always have slippage
minersdidit: you know the bid/ask spread
benkay: bitcoin for remittances might just work if you have good connections and keep your books totally dialed.
benkay: capitalize both offices with local fiat and local btc, keep track of how much it costs to replenish both coffers, adjust rate accordingly.
minersdidit: dude bitcoin is a product for the first world not some shithole
minersdidit: it requires access to bandwith
benkay: none of this real time exchange nonsense.
minersdidit: you seriously think some tribesman will have a 10TB hardrive to download the blockchain in a decade
MisterE: you don't need it you just keep their wallets secure for them the way Vodaphone manages their fiat balances
HeySteve: minersdidit, I realise you are just one of those people but in the interests of advancing the debate, light wallets do exist
minersdidit: and it brings up the question why would someone even want bitcoin lol
minersdidit: i understand cybercrime out of necessity
minersdidit: why would someone in africa want bitcoin?
HeySteve: profit
minersdidit: they dont have ID's to upload for KYC/AML to ever exchange it into the banking system
steven-__: why would someone in afrcia want m pesa
minersdidit: mpesa isnt bitcoin
benkay: over btc? no need to have a crazy blow stamp wallet.
minersdidit: btc requires like what 12gb of ram to run?
steven-__: thats just not true
minersdidit: and 100mbit internet to sync lol
minersdidit: yea you have to rely on lite clients
akstunt600: minersdidit, I dont think you understand currency in Africa
akstunt600: They use miinutes
minersdidit: currency in africa is AK47's, gold
akstunt600: like phone minutes
minersdidit: USD euro
akstunt600: lolol
ozbot: M-Pesa - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
kanzure: nobody is transferring $1M using phone minutes
akstunt600: before mpesa
akstunt600: nooooo never
benkay: nobody outside of the insular btc bubble wants btc
kanzure: nobody outside the insular economics bubble wants money
HeySteve: yes, we trade AK47 bullets for elephant ivory, that's how things work here
MisterE: but they all want the processing network
benkay: there are great remittance plays to be made using btc to move money for people, but it involves taking fiat on one side and paying fiat out on the other
minersdidit: mpesa has a low fee rate compared to bitcoin
benkay: great news though
akstunt600: Yup, then came M-pesa
minersdidit: bitcoin fees are sky high once you factor in bid/ask spread
minersdidit: and the miner subsidy
benkay: you can trivially move money across the globe with bitcoin
akstunt600: beter than the dead curencies they had
minersdidit: 1m in africa is transfered with gold
HeySteve: just the other day I rode my elephant to the closest city with electricity so I could swap gold for bitcoin
minersdidit: the funny part about bitcoin is even when you get it to connect to the "financial system"
minersdidit: you can never cash it out becuase youll be scammed
HeySteve: still, Bitcoin does need a push in emerging markets
minersdidit: seriously if i was in africa why would i submit my documents to 2 white idiots from a shithole in europe?
akstunt600: big time
akstunt600: we have far to users
minersdidit: bitcoin has too little users
akstunt600: we are in some sort of damn user stagnation
akstunt600: far to few
akstunt600: like 600-700k gloabaly
MisterE: some bad press lately
minersdidit: becuase its too costly to use when you factor in the miner subsidy and bid/ask spreads
akstunt600: it seems SOOO much bigger
MisterE: last few months has been a few things
minersdidit: you buy a bitcoin by the time you get to spend it its lost 5% of its value
minersdidit: from some miner
akstunt600: minersdidit, Stop trolling now
minersdidit: buy 1 BTC for 380, then sell for 365
akstunt600: I mine and do not dump
minersdidit: yep zero fees
akstunt600: miners need simple education
HeySteve: I am developing a currency with one of the goals being emerging market adoption
minersdidit: why? they respond to profits
akstunt600: and many pools can run at 0% fees
akstunt600: for transact
minersdidit: emerging market is a politically correct term for shithole
MisterE: HeySteve: I was just thinking about one to address carbon emissions
minersdidit: honestly some markets have been emerging for the last 3 centuries
minersdidit: like brazil etc
akstunt600: yeah and America is declinging and bowed toBrazil before IMF fucked them too
minersdidit: people have zero knowledge of history
minersdidit: they think "emerging" markets are late to the game or something lol
HeySteve: ok MisterE, how are you thinking of doing that?
minersdidit: well would you consider detroit an emerging market?
HeySteve: submerging maybe
akstunt600: its mix of both
MisterE: don't know, just an idea I had this morning and keeps nagging at me
minersdidit: even if you gave a african farmer bitcoins they would instantly lose them to guys like eric voorhees
minersdidit: with sdice
akstunt600: actually some of what is happening there is amazing
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
nubbins`: ;;bc,xau
gribble: 1 XAU = 1301.200000000000 USD = 3.41540238333 BTC
minersdidit: im still confused how bitcoin is suppose to help poor people
akstunt600: its cheaper than mepsa
minersdidit: no it isnt
steven-__: not yet
minersdidit: dude you dont look at indirect fees which are huge
akstunt600: what indirect fees?
minersdidit: bid/ask spreads, volatility etc.
minersdidit: when you buy a bitcoin theres a spread
akstunt600: i have never loooked at smsm and email for coins
MisterE: when you buy a dollar there is a spread
minersdidit: its very tiny
akstunt600: those arent fees
minersdidit: its not 3-10% lol
HeySteve: what if poor people could make profit mining crypto on their smartphones?
minersdidit: they are part of the transaction cost akstunt600
akstunt600: and btc is not yet a viable currency for any "poor" people
minersdidit: it never will be
MisterE: HeySteve: corps would have to shit that shit down ASAP
akstunt600: It can be
akstunt600: very easily
MisterE: 1st shit=shut*
minersdidit: why would you overheat a smartphone mining bitcoin dust
HeySteve: MisterE, I don't think so. they could get PR being a part of it
HeySteve: minersdidit, I said crypto not bitcoin
HeySteve: of course smartphones have no chance against asics
akstunt600: wow minersdidit that is a gorss misunderstanding
minersdidit: why not go and add some real value you know like build yourself a home ?
minersdidit: in africa lol
minersdidit: do you realize mining crypto does nothing.
minersdidit: it does not speed up transfers or add new value
random_cat: none of us realizes anything
MisterE: everything does something
akstunt600: it processes transactions
minersdidit: it dilutes an existing liquidity pool
HeySteve: arguing with people over the interweb also does nothing and adds no new value, yet here we are
TestingUnoDosTre: very philosophical, <random_cat>
minersdidit: akstunt600 hashrate is useless past a certain point
MisterE: Steve +1
minersdidit: misterE mining crypto does nothing but dilute existing stock and deplete liquidity pools = high volatility like we have now.
HeySteve: if I earned money for interweb arguments though, I'd do it a lot more
TestingUnoDosTre: <HeySteve> it gets my rocks off
minersdidit: the best thing that could happen now is if the block reward somehow failed
akstunt600: no that would not be good
random_cat: somehow, minersdidit, that seems inferior to a blowjob
akstunt600: millions in infrastucture kaput
minersdidit: theyd still earn fees
MGK: anyone want to play madden on xbox one for bitcoin?
akstunt600: yeah like all of nothing
minersdidit: just no more free coins
minersdidit: well yea for doing nothing.
akstunt600: minersdidit, they arent free
akstunt600: mniers are the mechanism for distributins
minersdidit: akstunt600 dude you are clueless.
akstunt600: minersdidit, so are you
minersdidit: its a horrible distribution method hence the insane volattilty we ahve
akstunt600: volatility is good
akstunt600: for a new thing
random_cat: what is a better distribution method, minersdidit?
akstunt600: and new tech
random_cat: >3 vol
random_cat: err.. yknwim
random_cat has been eating catnip
akstunt600: charts like check marks
akstunt600: hehhehe all of em
minersdidit: im a farmer in africa yep first thing to help my life is to download bitcoin core and sync the blockchain up
akstunt600: mainly btce
akstunt600: like perfect chack marke
minersdidit: part 2, watch andreas antonopolous videos
minersdidit: bitcoin mining does not conjure up capital lol
akstunt600: lol whay watch him
akstunt600: minersdidit, wasnt supposed to
TestingUnoDosTre: how is it that it takes thousands of bitcoins sold to drop to 340, yet hundreds bought bring it back to 400?
keonne: good morning #bitcoin-assets
akstunt600: you seem to forget that this wasnt supposed to grow this fast in the way it did
minersdidit: becuase none are offered duh.
akstunt600: Asics came too soon
minersdidit: testingundostre dude you dont even know how markets function and you are commenting?
akstunt600: before enough coins were distributed
TestingUnoDosTre: <minersdidit> for some reason my shitty freenode client wouldn't allow me to ignore you, so I will infrequently acknowledge your existence
akstunt600: TestingUnoDosTre, its not shitty
akstunt600: just use /ignore username all
minersdidit: testingunodostre: dude im the most honest guy in here.
TestingUnoDosTre: honestly douchey
minersdidit: you are new and probably sitting on losses
akstunt600: minersdidit, is good troll who makes u think
minersdidit: every market has 2 prices not one a bid and an ask.
TestingUnoDosTre: minersdidit makes me think I'm back in the days of AIM where someone has invented a bot to chat with you
minersdidit: the "price" you keep looking at is irrelevant because it merely reflects the last sale that occured its already history
akstunt600: hahahhahahhahahh TestingUnoDosTre
akstunt600: thos are fun
TestingUnoDosTre: quit trying to pull this Morpheus bullshit on me, I'm not retarded
akstunt600: but they arent this creative
minersdidit: this bear market has taken down alot of bitcoiners
minersdidit: mtgox. charlie shrem etc
dub: who the fuck unleashed -otc upon us
minersdidit: gavin stepping down
TestingUnoDosTre: I knew what a call option was before bitcoin existed
minersdidit: dub use ignore
TestingUnoDosTre: this command keeps failing me
minersdidit: like your life
MisterE: $40 swing in a could hours, almost like old days
TestingUnoDosTre: your lame attempts to make me riled up are like lullabyes sending me to sleep
MisterE: couple*
HeySteve: wow such sassy very internet points
HeySteve: minersdidit, presenting the bear case is one thing but being a pest is another
minersdidit: what bear case?
MisterE: thanks for entertainment while I wait for the water filter service tech
minersdidit: dude bitcoin is a sophisticated wealth transfer mechanism with a clever story
MisterE: minersdidit: get a new script
minersdidit: couple guys get rich everyone else remains poor
minersdidit: its not world changing lol
MisterE: you've added nothing new to the debate for like an hour now
random_cat: good morning, east asia
minersdidit: never knew there was a debate
minersdidit: 1 bitcoin transaction costs $21 in miner subisdies today
TestingUnoDosTre: random_cat, please drop some more confuscianisms on us
HeySteve: with any new technology, first-movers prosper. bitcoin doesn't have to make everyone in the world wealthy to succeed
ozbot: Bitcoin Cost Per Transaction
minersdidit: this is why users are not coming in droves
HeySteve: to succeed, it just has to be better than the competition
minersdidit: miner revenue = network cost
minersdidit: you quickly realize youve got a highly inefficient network at play
minersdidit: paying millions per day for a few thousand users
MisterE: perceived better*
minersdidit: HeySteve its worse.
TestingUnoDosTre: 53 bitcoins on stamp = +5 price
dub: -assets gives zero fucks about btc/usd, please find some way to die all of you
HeySteve: how is bitcoin worse than inflationary fiat currency which can be easily seized by bankrupt govts?
minersdidit: bitcoin has experienced 100% inflation since january 1st
minersdidit: its lost half its value
minersdidit: have your dollars done that?
MisterE: many times over it's just reported funny so people can't see
minersdidit: everything that cost 1btc jan1st cost 2btc now
HeySteve: nand since january 1st 2013?
MisterE: why you think Fed no publish M3 anymore?
MisterE: not at that rate though ofc
minersdidit: dude m3 is credit
minersdidit: you dont even know how the fiat system functions
MisterE: but pretty damn fast and relentlessly the printing presses are running
minersdidit: extending credit and printing are 2 different things
HeySteve: it all depends on your timeframe, the general trend of bitcoin is appreciating currency however
minersdidit: misterE um so why hasnt it collapsed yet?
MisterE: m3 is total money supply
minersdidit: its not zimbabwe
minersdidit: zimbambwe was fiat money the dollar is credit money
minersdidit: 2 different concepts here folks.
MisterE: it has failed, just recently, have you a short memory>
MisterE: and many times before that similar systems all fail
minersdidit: the dollar can only fail if the bond market fails
HeySteve: minersdidit, let's see what happens to USD if Russia and China continue to conduct trade in their own currencies
minersdidit: nothing it depends on the bondmarket
MisterE: every currency in history has failed and USD will fail one day too
minersdidit: russia and china combined are not even 50% of US gdp dude
minersdidit: misterE thats true but that one day can be 100 years from now when we are dead.
minersdidit: the chinese RMB will fail before the dollar does
minersdidit: and russian rubble has failed like 20 times in the last 50 years alone lol
MisterE: reason Russia came out of collapse easy was everything was already state owned
HeySteve: right, now there is an alternative to failure-prone fiat currencies. you are proving my point
MisterE: they were mych better prepared
minersdidit: no there isnt
minersdidit: the chinese RMB is a dollar derivative
minersdidit: and so is the russian ruble
HeySteve: lol tell that to Russia and China
minersdidit: its impossible for teh derivative to succeed when the underlying asset fails
minersdidit: heysteve you are confused pal. the chinese yuan is defacto linked to the US dollar and the US bond market
HeySteve: until it isn't
minersdidit: its backed by the portfolio of US treasuries china holds
minersdidit: it has to be. its a derivative
MisterE: an asset is what people believe it is a single opinion is worth maybe a paper IOU
minersdidit: hence why the US dollar as bad as it is will be the last to fail not the first. the derivatives based on the dollar will fail first
minersdidit: long before the dollar collapses the chinese currency and government will implode
HeySteve: ok so you've mentioned a good reason for all chinese and russians to acquire bitcoin
minersdidit: bitcoin has no liquidity
minersdidit: you also are using circular logic
minersdidit: if a chinese acquires bitcoin with RMB someone else now has the rmb
MisterE: so what should they do?
minersdidit: it doesnt erase lol
HeySteve: it does if the currency fails, as you say
minersdidit: unfortunately in 2014 the only option is USD in paper format and dollars
minersdidit: maybe if bitcoin becomes 1000x bigger in the future
minersdidit: err and gold*
TestingUnoDosTre: nice dude, can I trade my papyrus for goods now?
minersdidit: us dollars in paper format and gold are your only safe havens in 2014
minersdidit: bitcoin is ultra high beta. it collapses when risk appetites change
TestingUnoDosTre: family has been hodling since the macedonian era
minersdidit: hence why we are at the same level as november and so is the nasdaq
minersdidit: with a gold coin you can go anywhere in the world and someone will trade you X for it
minersdidit: with bitcoin good luck outside of hipster cafes in major cities lol
minersdidit: look the russian ruble is down this year i think what 20%? did holding bitcoin help a russian? hed be down 35%
minersdidit: btc is too small
akstunt600: way to small
akstunt600: i agree there
minersdidit: when size comes into bitcoin markets the bid ask spreads widen like crazy
MisterE: all emerging technologies are
minersdidit: dude you arent buying a piece of a technology
MisterE: thats why there is opportunity and scams
akstunt600: yeah we are adopting it
minersdidit: how many times are you going to repeat that lol
akstunt600: its similar
MisterE: guys like you are not cut out for it quite frankly minersdidit
minersdidit: bitcoin is ultra high beta its related to fiat flows
minersdidit: when fiat flows contract bitcoin goes down 90%~
akstunt600: i agree MisterE
minersdidit: when they expand it rises 1000%
TestingUnoDosTre: and that's why he probably owns <1 btc
minersdidit: misterE i sold months ago at 800+
minersdidit: dude im in btc when you tards werent even in here lol
minersdidit: before you bagholders came
MisterE: lol this guy
minersdidit: you guys are clueless
minersdidit: bitcoin is nowhere near a "safe" haven
akstunt600: minersdidit, that is some ego
akstunt600: can you see though that ego?
minersdidit: in 2014 the absolute "safest" havens are US dollars paper format, gold coin format, US treasury bills, US 2 year notes, German 2 year notes
dub: tiberius sup
akstunt600: through*
MisterE: I think we're witnessing a pharmacological disaster
akstunt600: somethinglike it
minersdidit: bitcoin is on the ultra danger list
minersdidit: hence why its down 50% YTD
MisterE: yep and that's where the big boys play
minersdidit: i think if bitcoin ever has like 50bil of bid books
minersdidit: you can call it a safe haven
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10812 @ 0.00096283 = 10.4101 BTC [+] {2}
random_cat: next year?
minersdidit: problem with bitcoin is the users are at the behest of miners
benkay: ten years. mebbe 20.
minersdidit: never.
akstunt600: minersdidit, thats the fcuking pooint bro
MisterE: I dont recall anyone here saying "safe haven" but you?
benkay: only useful in places like ars with actually malignant currency regimes.
akstunt600: did you read the whitepaper
minersdidit: satoshi had zero clue about money or economics lol
akstunt600: hmmm, doesnt seem like it
benkay: the war hasn't even started.
minersdidit: what war
benkay: there's no blood.
akstunt600: there will be blood over this
benkay: victory or loss, way too early.
minersdidit: dude pull up bitcoin liquidity books ie the order books
akstunt600: i guarentee it
MisterE: lots
minersdidit: they are just as bad as 1 year ago
benkay: no, real blood minersdidit
minersdidit: no there wont be
benkay: silly troll ;)
benkay: predictable contradiction
akstunt600: sucks but that is where our centralized banking system has lead us
minersdidit: bitcoin requires extensive infrastructure in place to work
minersdidit: high bandwith, electricity you know civilized society
akstunt600: and USD is on tops of the same pyramid scheme
minersdidit: its dependant on shitloads of things functioning.
minersdidit: encryption
akstunt600: think of btc as gateway to something else
minersdidit: a bunch of tard developers to "patch" shit
MisterE: that something else is a digital monetary future
benkay: true nuff
minersdidit: it wont work in a society collapse
akstunt600: minersdidit, its not much and its a work in progress
MisterE: 100% guarantee you its coming and I'm gonna be there with front row seats
akstunt600: so yes pateches come with the territory
minersdidit: akstunt600 yea theyve been saying that year after year, the protocol is just as bad as it was in 09
danielpbarron: minersdidit: what should we do?
minersdidit: there isnt even any standard
akstunt600: well then how do we olve the money problem
MisterE: he things we should be in USD fiat and AU
TestingUnoDosTre: computers requjire extensive infrastructure in place to work. The internet required high bandwidth, electricity- you know civilized society
minersdidit: youve got a bunch of failures from the last dotcom boom running around pretending to be leaders
akstunt600: minersdidit, who one whole guy andreas?
TestingUnoDosTre: I'm going to quit computers
TestingUnoDosTre: and internet
minersdidit: the dollar collapsing is the worse thing that could occur to bitcoin
TestingUnoDosTre: so scammy
minersdidit: not sure why people are happy about it happening lol
danielpbarron: minersdidit: ok, you're right, what should we do?
TestingUnoDosTre: tell us, oh fearless leader
akstunt600: Mineits gonna be a soft collapse blood will be spilled as usd tanks
minersdidit: keep feeding your paychecks into the pockets of miners duh.
minersdidit: and early adopters
MisterE: save us minersdidit
TestingUnoDosTre: THE END ISTH NEAR
akstunt600: hahahah ^
MGK: miner sounds butthurt
minersdidit: akstunt600: the USD will be the last fiat to collapse
akstunt600: yup MGK
danielpbarron: minersdidit: so adjusting for sarcasm, we should stop buying Bitcoin?
akstunt600: minersdidit, Duh
minersdidit: you should have stopped months ago
TestingUnoDosTre: wait wait wait
akstunt600: its a top a pyramid of world currencies
danielpbarron: well why didn't you tell us months ago
minersdidit: we can have a relief rally now after 4months of bear market
akstunt600: and hold leverage
akstunt600: over the worlds currency
danielpbarron: that doesn't really help us now
MisterE: wow not up $50
MisterE: now
danielpbarron: minersdidit: what can we do now?
akstunt600: have you even forex'd bro?
minersdidit: danielpbarron what do you mean?
akstunt600: yeah what danielpbarron
akstunt600: what is our solution then minersdidit
danielpbarron: minersdidit: well you make a lot of good points. what should I do?
minersdidit: solution to what
TestingUnoDosTre: he's asking for legitimate advice... NOW
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00095856 = 10.4483 BTC [-] {3}
TestingUnoDosTre: not asking what we all could have done 4 months ago
akstunt600: minersdidit, the fucking money problem
TestingUnoDosTre: because it's easy to predict the past
akstunt600: like the failing dollar issue HELLO
minersdidit: well first off if you are poor as i suspect everyone in here is, yea you might as well try to buy bitcoin lottery tickets lol
TestingUnoDosTre: tell us what to do so we can quote you
akstunt600: WOW minersdidit
danielpbarron: minersdidit: what do I do if i'm not poor?
akstunt600: so bitcoin is the solution
minersdidit: well no its a get rich quick scheme
akstunt600: what a fail troll
TestingUnoDosTre: so poor right now... let me pick up my topless girlfriend from mcdonalds
minersdidit: once youve already obtained wealth then you can worry about keeping it lol
akstunt600: get rich on what a failing currency
minersdidit: bitcoin has no more 100 bagger in it it though
akstunt600: USA is the next version of the roman empire
minersdidit: like the rally has already occured
akstunt600: except this time it brings everyone down with it
akstunt600: where is your retort
akstunt600: we are over extended
minersdidit: the roman empire took hundreds of years to unravel
minersdidit: the US will too
MisterE: ;;ticker --market all
akstunt600: and quality of lif is on the decline
minersdidit: it didnt happen in a day
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akstunt600: in all "first world" countries
minersdidit: yes but you are talking about trends that can take lifetimes
akstunt600: we dont have much time
danielpbarron: minersdidit: I thought you had advice to give since you are so earnest in your attempt to convince us; I mean this in all sincerity
akstunt600: tick tock
minersdidit: dude quality of life is higher then 60 years ago in first world countries
TestingUnoDosTre: <minersdidit> - bitcoin won't go to 40K soon?!? but I bought because all the bitcointalk threads todl me so
minersdidit: 60 years ago youd be in bombed out europe
akstunt600: minersdidit, not for 50%
akstunt600: right now its not good
minersdidit: bitcoin 40k is impossible for a reason ill quickly outline to the poor in here
TestingUnoDosTre: define first world country
minersdidit: if you notice everytime bitcoin rallys, altcoins tend to rally faster, as they are essentially substitutes to access bitcoin liquidity
minersdidit: so even if we achieved a 500bil market cap
minersdidit: bitcoin would only be maybe 25-40% of that
minersdidit: the rest would be all these substitutes that are exchangable for it
TestingUnoDosTre: actually, i've seen altcoins TRAIL bitcoin rallies
minersdidit: now do the math 40% of 500bil devided by 21mil
akstunt600: me too
akstunt600: many times
punkman: lol
minersdidit: bullshit
akstunt600: no i have DOge has done it a few times
TestingUnoDosTre: bullshit?!
akstunt600: so has ltc
minersdidit: altcoins have already drained up to 10% of bitcoins market cap
minersdidit: in the last 12months
akstunt600: and im guessing the other too at points
minersdidit: they go down faster and up faster
minersdidit: PAST a certain point.
akstunt600: whats that point?
minersdidit: becuase this is the flaw with quantity theory of money i outlined earlier
minersdidit: as bitcoin demand increases no mechanisms exist to increase supply to market so altcoins start doing their thing
minersdidit: acting as substitutes
akstunt600: well again minersdidit what is your solution?
minersdidit: becuase its so easy to trade between BTC and ALT
minersdidit: so think about that for a second
minersdidit: dude dont look at 1 day events lol
akstunt600: what is your solution to the money problem minersdidit
MGK: miner would you like me to send you some bitcoin so you can be cool too?
TestingUnoDosTre: LTC / BTC rate dropped to the floor and followed
minersdidit: testing um 15months ago ltc wasnt even on the radar
minersdidit: the fact that it is proves my point.
TestingUnoDosTre: no it does not
minersdidit: altcoins drain btc market cap during demand surges
akstunt600: i mine doge and many other do to so it can be its own thing it has exits to fiat
akstunt600: so does ltc
minersdidit: btc is about 90% of all crypto
akstunt600: they dont btc
akstunt600: what is your solution to the money problem minersdidit
minersdidit: that number declines during heavy demand.
minersdidit: remember where ltc was during btc 1k like 0.05 or whatever
MisterE: minersdidit: and I already replied that BTC is infinitely divisible so that wipes out your argument on no supply
akstunt600: do you have anything better than btc or alts?
minersdidit: misterE that doesnt mean anything you cant devided market cap lol
minersdidit: the world cannot run out of crypto dude.
minersdidit: you can point miners anywhere in seconds
MisterE: not the world as we know it
akstunt600: minersdidit, of sure it can
minersdidit: that puts an absolute cieling on bitcoins price
MisterE: the world is gonna have to change
minersdidit: the rally to get rich quick has already occured 2009-2013
minersdidit: a 10 bagger off these levels would be lucky
minersdidit: 100 bagger forget it lol
TestingUnoDosTre: I think you mistook me for serious when I was asking about bitcoin to 40k
TestingUnoDosTre: you are quite... retarded
minersdidit: no people in here believe it
akstunt600: minersdidit, and we got a lot from that minaly infrastructure
akstunt600: and on btc 2.0
akstunt600: welll
akstunt600: ill stop there
minersdidit: you got alot from the wealth transfer scheme aspect of it.
minersdidit: if 80% of coins are held by less then 100 individuals if they hold those off the market the remaining 20% set the price
TestingUnoDosTre: what about a 3 bagger within 4 years
minersdidit: and they got bid up violantly
TestingUnoDosTre: could you discount that?
MisterE: funny when asked for advice you have nothing to offer but "buy btc lottery tickets"
akstunt600: so troll
minersdidit: misterE well i asked if you were poor you said yes
MisterE: enjoy your USD lottery tickets, more likely to hit but value is shit
akstunt600: minersdidit, is the same guy i have been talking to for 3 days
minersdidit: dude btc is down 50% since jan 1st lol
akstunt600: he changes nicks all the time
TestingUnoDosTre: what's your point
minersdidit: ive never talked to you
akstunt600: and continues the same arguemnts
akstunt600: BULL SHIT
TestingUnoDosTre: did you buy on jan 1st?
TestingUnoDosTre: i did not
minersdidit: well you bought earlier at higher levels
akstunt600: you speak with them same style and argue the same points
minersdidit: akstunt600 whats your other nick?
akstunt600: i can see the symantics
akstunt600: this is me you know me
minersdidit: ive never spoken to you
MisterE: [11:57:47] minersdidit: well first off if you are poor as i suspect everyone in here is, yea you might as well try to buy bitcoin lottery tickets lol
MisterE: you suggested we are poor
danielpbarron: I once donated $35 to the Ron Paul 2012 Presidential campaign in exchange for 5 BTC
minersdidit: of course you are lol
akstunt600: your have to be getting paid bro
minersdidit: theres like 3-4 rich guys in here
minersdidit: the rest are dirt poor
minersdidit: couple K in bitcoin at max
akstunt600: this is classic text books shit from that NSA slide on gaining poer in IRC
minersdidit: mircea is probably the wealthiest in here
benkay: <minersdidit> it wont work in a society collapse << of course, just in small isolated islands of civilization dotted round the landscape of destruction
akstunt600: mmmmkay minersdidit
akstunt600: your some buthurt miner that read it
minersdidit: read what
akstunt600: the NSA IRC guide
punkman1: "This patch is setting OPENSSL_NO_HEARTBEAT, but openssl actually only disables heartbeats when you set OPENSSL_NO_HEARTBEATS (note trailing S)."
minersdidit: link it
MisterE: nice
akstunt600: no its well known
akstunt600: check EFF
minersdidit: whats that lol
akstunt600: you know it already
akstunt600: trolololol
minersdidit: akstunt i dont need to tell you things you can see with your own eyes ie btc down 50% YTD. its a high beta asset
minersdidit: remember the shills told everyone volatility would decrease
minersdidit: well it hasnt
benkay: <akstunt600> get rich on what a failing currency << bitcoin isn't going to make anyone playing with it rich. only application and hard work will accomplish that.
minersdidit: bitcoin shills also told everyone mass adoption would occur
minersdidit: it hasnt
MisterE: My email: "The Department of State has issued this Worldwide Caution to update information on the continuing threat of terrorist actions and violence against U.S. citizens and interests throughout the world. U.S. citizens are reminded to maintain a high level of vigilance and to take appropriate steps to increase their security awareness. This replaces the Worldwide Caution dated September 25, 2013, to provide updated information on
MisterE: security threats and terrorist activities worldwide."
MisterE: FUD of the highest order
minersdidit: mass adoption
akstunt600: benkay, Exaclty
MisterE: come back next year minersdidit
akstunt600: theres your infiltration guide
MisterE: we'll revisit
akstunt600: EFF has whole thing
minersdidit: misterE lol why so its the same lvel as this year if not lower?
minersdidit: weve gone nowhere in 12months
MisterE: April seems good for crashy so...
akstunt600: minersdidit, early in the year brah
akstunt600: it msakes sense to me btc would be inthe dirt before major adoption
akstunt600: it helps to allow the poor college kids to buy in
minersdidit: they said the same thing in spring 2013
akstunt600: this is what we needed i think
minersdidit: bitcoin shills
minersdidit: dude who do you expect to adopt bitcoin though?
minersdidit: crypto locker was the biggest influence on bitcoin's price move
akstunt600: People ask me everyday
minersdidit: it arrived on the scene in fall 2013
akstunt600: EVERYDAY
minersdidit: yea poor people
akstunt600: and rich
minersdidit: becuase they just want the price to go up 10x without them doing any work
akstunt600: mainly college kids up to 35
akstunt600: and upt to*
minersdidit: yea losers needing quick loot lol
minersdidit: they arent actual users of bitcoin
akstunt600: minersdidit, nah many LOVE the core principal it represents
akstunt600: and the Gen y is fucked
minersdidit: bitcoin isnt going to help them
akstunt600: they are still too dumb to really jump on yet
minersdidit: it doesnt generate capital thats needed
akstunt600: minersdidit, unless the price drops further
minersdidit: like you dont download skills from the blockchain lol
akstunt600: no thats what the internet is for
minersdidit: bitcoin is just a tool
minersdidit: its useless with stupid operators
minersdidit: as weve seen
akstunt600: im done
akstunt600: your not even making valid arguemnts anymore
minersdidit: you preparing your bitcoin pitch
minersdidit: to hawk to the local coffee shop
minersdidit: listen bitcoin isnt changing shit other then making a couple guys very rich. the same problems that existed before will exist in bitcoin but even worse.
minersdidit: people who have lost with crypto related schemes far outnumber anyone whose benefited
akstunt600: minersdidit, proof?
minersdidit: and theres no sign of the scams going away
akstunt600: proof?
minersdidit: lol add up the total losses dude
akstunt600: proof?
minersdidit: mtgox is what 20million alone
akstunt600: proof?
akstunt600: they arent out yet
minersdidit: largest benefactors are guys like roger ver
akstunt600: proof?
benkay: <minersdidit> crypto locker was the biggest influence on bitcoin's price move << i've said this too, but i'm an idiot
minersdidit: well it was coffee shops lol
akstunt600: wow price is recovering nicely
akstunt600: WOW look at huobi
minersdidit: dead cat bounce
akstunt600: minersdidit, it will come back down
minersdidit: miners carrying their victims for a couple rounds before they unleash more selling
akstunt600: only to go way way up
benkay: ;;ticker
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10005 @ 0.00096336 = 9.6384 BTC [+] {3}
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 401.39, Best ask: 403.9, Bid-ask spread: 2.51000, Last trade: 403.9, 24 hour volume: 62871.29215596, 24 hour low: 339.79, 24 hour high: 420.28, 24 hour vwap: 387.817589484
benkay: haha
benkay: dis guy
benkay: u slay me minersdidit
minersdidit: benkay how did you turn into a shill
akstunt600: wow look at 420 again
benkay: dreams of decoupling
akstunt600: minersdidit, kkills me lol
akstunt600: awwww gox took all your coins
benkay: a wage slave's fruitless fantasies
akstunt600: shouldnt have traded on amagic the gathering site bro
benkay: freedom and privacy
benkay: simple things.
minersdidit: people on here are expecting hyperinflation of the USD
benkay: tch yeah
minersdidit: well sorry to tell you but its going to be hyperdeflation
akstunt600: minersdidit, its here
benkay: let 'em
akstunt600: but artificail inflation rates mask it
benkay: who cares. hedge.
minersdidit: do they mask the oil price
minersdidit: which is 40% lower then 2008?
benkay: "oil", mostly, corn.
akstunt600: minersdidit, becaue we knock down and drug em out
minersdidit: all commodities are 30-60% below their respect highs from years ago
benkay: "rib eye" now chuck.
akstunt600: look a duhbai
akstunt600: you think they need more money
akstunt600: they are saturated
akstunt600: its like your btc wet dream over there
minersdidit: akstunt600: inflation is currently occuring in student loans etc
minersdidit: its stagnant in everything else
akstunt600: its masked
benkay: that's a credit thing too
benkay: wtf's going on there
akstunt600: like the mortagage crisis
minersdidit: look at commodity prices they are 30-60% below
benkay: how do i short that
benkay: who cares about commodities i want to short my own generation
minersdidit: benkay um yea. in credit money counterfeit credit expansion = inflation
akstunt600: hahahha good point benkay
minersdidit: you cant have inflation in the current system without expansion of loans
benkay: sure
benkay: i'm sure you count arbitrarily large deposits to private sector lenders loans.
minersdidit: akstunt600: the "inflation" you are talking about is in stuff for ultra rich, student loans shit like that
akstunt600: ultra rich?
minersdidit: benkay: all money in existence is from loans. think about that. you need creditor and debtor participating for inflation
moiety: mew
minersdidit: akstunt600: yea stock market got pumped up
benkay: ey mo
akstunt600: yeah biig time
minersdidit: that benefited about 0.01%
minersdidit: so shit they buy also got pumped up ie high end jewellery, cars, ultra luxury homes
minersdidit: student loans are still getting pumped up so anyone in that is seeing it
akstunt600: and food
minersdidit: but there is no general inflation dude
minersdidit: ppl that do shit with government
minersdidit: the credit system is on life support
akstunt600: so how do we fix it?
akstunt600: again
moiety: ;; later tell mircea_popescu thank you for the later tell re localbitcoins. hope you are well :)
gribble: The operation succeeded.
minersdidit: you cant its past the point
punkman: akstunt600: fix it with /ignore
akstunt600: hahahaha
moiety: hihi benkay how are you?
punkman: I'm just seeing your monologue now
akstunt600: minersdidit, exactly btc and alt to the rescue
akstunt600: hhhahahaha thanks punkman
benkay: we're experiencing a once-yearly event moiety
minersdidit: btc will go to single digits
benkay: god i hope
akstunt600: just da one time
minersdidit: why would you hope for that
benkay: totally could happen
akstunt600: and the rode to recovery is already starting to form
akstunt600: road*
moiety: what's that benkay?
akstunt600: well im glad the pressure cooker dies out and this fall happened
benkay: this feller minersdidit is a fantastic character who comes around every now and again
akstunt600: this is fun
akstunt600: i have about 25k into btc and alts andd miners
minersdidit: benkay um i come in here once every 6months to laugh at mircea
akstunt600: i mean15****
benkay: precisely
akstunt600: and this is still fun to me
punkman: there's this cunt of a website I'm trying to borrow data from, I ask for derp.com/titsville it goes HA I KNOW YOU WANTED DERP.COM/FAT-HERPBURG INSTEAD. Cosmic rays? Someone fucking with me?
benkay: you totally fuck with channel orthodoxy. it's great.
moiety: why would you bother going to somone's own channel to do that minersdidit, you must have a gap in your own personal life at present?
akstunt600: lol punkman
akstunt600: i like it
akstunt600: good convo
minersdidit: moeity go back to the shithole your just crawled out of
moiety: should i later tell moeity? i don't think she is here right now
minersdidit: and thats the joke
moiety: well, i wouldn't give up your day job for comedy, that's for sure
minersdidit: heysteve you get robbed today?
minersdidit: its a south african thing
benkay: no that was a few weeks ago
benkay: robbed by 0.9
minersdidit: gavin needed to step down after that
benkay: just became a little too obvious
minersdidit: what did
benkay: the incompetence
benkay: rolling a known turd into bitcoin
minersdidit: becuase its tards from the dotcom bust dude
benkay: tell a nigga bout it
minersdidit: all these guys were in shitbag IT companies that failed
benkay: outta my face this is old news
minersdidit: they went unemployed for a decade until bitcoin pops on the scene
benkay: rank incompetence is the baseline in the space; so what?
benkay: incompetence, greed, malice.
benkay: that's all there is in bitcoin.
minersdidit: thats open source
benkay: heh
benkay: c'est possible
fluffypony: minersdidit
fluffypony: you just hit the proverbial nail on the head
bloctoc: I heard today that that Malaysian plane probably landed in Diego Garcia because it had secret stolen drone control center technology on board.
fluffypony: half of them are guys that were in the "Internet marketing" space
fluffypony: on Warrior Forum etc.
minersdidit: its burn outs and shit like andreas antonopolous
benkay: that's asciilifeform's suggestion, fluffypony...
minersdidit: dude its losers.
minersdidit: bitcoin attracted them all
minersdidit: and were dealing with that
benkay: it sucks
benkay: i hate it
fluffypony: I mean don't get me wrong, I looked at the Internet marketing stuff ages ago because I wanted to know wtf was the deal
minersdidit: bitcoin foundation and co probably set crypto back 5 years minimum
minersdidit: it was easier to get bitcoin 2 years ago then 2014
benkay: but its great it gives me some breathing room to get something rolling
benkay: make friends with the big boys etc
fluffypony: but if you have 2 brain cells you realise it's a bunch of circlejerky morons that sell "ebooks" and "systems" on how to profit to each other
minersdidit: because these tards all went and attracted HEAPS of attention onto themselves
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59527979 BTC [+]
fluffypony: minersdidit: yep
akstunt600: ughh andreas
benkay: yeah, well, hopefully it languishes in the shitter for another decade
minersdidit: benkay big boys? you mean pornographer mircea popescu
bloctoc: where did the locals go?
minersdidit: bitcoin has been scum from day 1
akstunt600: minersdidit, yourt totally right about btc foundation
minersdidit: but scum tend to have $$ as well
akstunt600: I feel they are incredibly tainted
benkay: eh, people in crypto
minersdidit: cryptos entire value is from cybercrime
benkay: mp wouldn't stoop to my level, are you kidding?
minersdidit: its not nerds buying lattes
minersdidit: or africans lol
fluffypony: minersdidit I'm also South African
Mats_cd03: Ahahaha lol who are these guys
fluffypony: had this argument with that lady who's "bringing Bitcoin to Botswana"
benkay: wb Mats_cd03
fluffypony: I was like "wtf"
benkay: all of these people lack the imagination to use bitcoin for any purpose
Mats_cd03: akstunt600 and minersdidit kekeke
moiety: hey Mats_cd03
benkay: the only thing they can encompass is educating others about something
benkay: "hey look a shiny!"
benkay: "what do we do with it?"
benkay: "iono, tell everyone?
akstunt600 waves to Mats_cd03
akstunt600: omfgi here it has magnets too
akstunt600: the pie is a lie?
minersdidit: lol fluffypony
akstunt600 looks for pie
benkay: ;;seen tg2
gribble: tg2 was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 23 hours, 44 minutes, and 29 seconds ago: <tg2> like strong understanding of assembly
minersdidit: south africa would have been paradise on earth if the blacks didnt invade
fluffypony: minersdidit: well to be fair we did invade their land first :-P
minersdidit: thats bullshit
akstunt600: heh but we gave the liberia
minersdidit: there was nobody in south africa during those times
akstunt600: LOLOLOLOLOL
minersdidit: they came from different parts after the place was prospering
minersdidit: boers and shit built that place from scratch
minersdidit: british came and wrecked it for the gold
fluffypony: still a beautiful country
fluffypony: glad I live here
minersdidit: agreed
minersdidit: well no i wouldnt be glad about that
minersdidit: the nature is nice
akstunt600: die antword rocks btw
fluffypony: akstunt600: no they don't
akstunt600: hahhahha
akstunt600: i like the one when they are in wheel chairs
fluffypony: akstunt600: seriously, a lot of Saffers hate them
minersdidit: blacks had it better when the whites ran the place
minersdidit: even they will admit it
akstunt600: hmmm interesting
minersdidit: highest paid black earners were in south africa
minersdidit: its true on the continent
minersdidit: blacks are poorer today in south africa then ever
MisterE: lol relentless
MisterE: minersdidit: I think you need to assess your objective here
MisterE: what do you want to achieve today?
minersdidit: go back to your hole
akstunt600: yeah which is?
minersdidit: bunch of scumbags in here tonight
minersdidit: not like that isnt the usual case lol
akstunt600 is a scumbag?
MisterE: lol typical troll behavior to take the victim's role
minersdidit: nah your alright
MisterE: we've now come full circle
akstunt600: awwe shucks thanks
minersdidit: couple guys in here are misinformed and poor but alright
minersdidit: ie benkay
bloctoc: I feel like my favorite television show got cancelled to show a presidential debate
akstunt600: hahahhahaha
akstunt600: sorry
benkay: so poor
benkay: so misinformed
MisterE: minersdidit: he called you a presidential candidate that is a fucking low blow man
MisterE: you gonna take that shit?
benkay: my fate to labor under the fog of illusion and never save a dime
minersdidit: bitcoin wont be able to get off the ground until the entire dev team is gone
benkay: look at the conformal stuff, man
MisterE: benkay: good hampster runs the wheel long time
minersdidit: until then it will be just another pump and dump
benkay: it's not dev team, it's hairball
minersdidit: gavin should have resigned after the fork
fluffypony: I thought it was a ponzi scheme?
minersdidit: in 2013
akstunt600: minersdidit, Who needs devs anyway
akstunt600: rotten sum
akstunt600: scum*
MisterE: yea scammers
minersdidit: you need them because people naturally form heirarchies
MisterE: coding backdoors
minersdidit: only tards think everything is "decentralized"
minersdidit: in real life
akstunt600: srsly did nothing for us but robbed us blind, how could i have been so foolish
minersdidit: the current dev team set bitcoin back a decade at least
fluffypony: we should just go back to the original client
akstunt600: cli or die
MisterE: back to cli
minersdidit: dude they havent done any development is the problem
minersdidit: its totally stagnant
MisterE: what features have you requested?
minersdidit: couple hacks here and there
akstunt600: like yeat getm is nothing
MisterE: what patched have you submitted?
minersdidit: 5 years on?
akstunt600: nothingbut smoke and mirrors
minersdidit: wheres multi sig?
minersdidit: how many more errors will we be exposed too
akstunt600: you mean getm stuff from bitcore?
benkay: multi sig's a thing, give it a rest
akstunt600: it works brah
benkay: it's also totally irrelevant
minersdidit: 5 years in and all theyve done is renamed themselves
akstunt600: cosign is out ni beta
akstunt600: and on github
minersdidit: Bitcoin Core lol
MisterE: what needs to be done answer the fuckign wquestion!
benkay: imma cry
benkay: so twoo
minersdidit: MisterE you know every shill says the same thing. everytime a critic brings up anything about BTC they say oh what have you done
minersdidit: typical strawman arguement pal
minersdidit: you aren't adressing the problems at hand
benkay: but hey shut up and read the conformal btcd source, minersdidit
MisterE: what do you see that needs to be done?
MisterE: you dont even have ideas
benkay: it's so well documented even you could get through it
MisterE: you're just complaining and trolling
akstunt600: and we keep asking for input
MisterE: heh
minersdidit: resignation and closure of bitcoin foundation and ALL devs
akstunt600: shiti i can code it up
moiety: crying shill =/= answers
akstunt600: just drop some bombs on us
MisterE: this dude is like a US republican
MisterE: got no ideas of his own only knows for sure that *all* of yours suck
benkay: i need more truth bombs, and better ones, minersdidit
minersdidit: MisterE bitcoins problems arent technical they are people problems
minersdidit: when you look at the bitcoin foundation you want to puke
minersdidit: so you stay away from the space
benkay: what else to do but hang out with the pornographers!
minersdidit: bitcoin attracted the worst scum of the cesspool known as the internet
bloctoc: minersdidit algorithms don't have people problems, ever
MisterE: in the grand history of the digital crypto currency era BTC foundation will not even be a fart in the wind
akstunt600: damn where do you even find trolls this good
MisterE: just like Gox is already forgotten
minersdidit: 2 years ago you could buy bitinstant in any walmart
MisterE: and Vicurex who?
minersdidit: err bitcoins via bitinstant
benkay: normally in the cesspool of the internet, akstunt600
akstunt600: this makes trollbox look like a jok
benkay: remember?
minersdidit: today you need to wait 7 days from fucking coinbase lol
benkay: those were the days.
akstunt600: hahhahah benkay
benkay: cash in hand to an atm.
benkay: well, basically an atm. walmart.
akstunt600: minersdidit, you mean 2
benkay: btc is no go in the usa.
akstunt600: it takes 2 days
akstunt600: even if your poor as fuck
minersdidit: yea from 5minutes
MisterE: ACH transfer 2 days
benkay: and the government knows how much you bought
minersdidit: yea you have to submit ID even for 100 dollar purchases
minersdidit: for a none monetary instrument
akstunt600: or use localbitcoins
danielpbarron: coinbase sketches me out
benkay: retarded.
minersdidit: bitcoin foundation lobby was sucessful
benkay: oh this is their work?
akstunt600: hahahhahaha
MisterE: danielpbarron: BOA would not let coinbase use their verification if they weren't trustworthy
danielpbarron: boa sketches me out
minersdidit: gavin derived his salary to feed his family even though he had tens of millions on BTC
benkay: oh god MisterE you have no idea
minersdidit: from the scamdation
MisterE: lol fair point
minersdidit: yep no conflict of interest there
benkay: you and mp agree on a thing. go make out.
minersdidit: HeySteve why do you prefer south africa anyway
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10700 @ 0.00096266 = 10.3005 BTC [-] {2}
Mats_cd03: hi moiety howru
moiety: not too bad Mats_cd03 another year older since i've been away. How's life treating you?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3493 @ 0.00096102 = 3.3568 BTC [-]
fluffypony: I've been testing a lot of my devices on my local network for heartbleed
fluffypony: like my printers/security cameras etc.
fluffypony: little D-Link NAS is safe
steven-__: nothing is safe
fluffypony: steven-__: I mean it's not heartbleed vulnerable
fluffypony: same with the IP cams
akstunt600: nobody expects the spanish Inquisition
akstunt600: lololol
akstunt600: wow mpex is uhh very interesting
fluffypony: akstunt600: our weapons are supplies...our CHIEF weapons are supplies
fluffypony: and fear
fluffypony needs more coffee
fluffypony: and Provigil
fluffypony: one of those days
akstunt600: suprise
fluffypony: akstunt600: I know, I was being punny
akstunt600: hehheheh
akstunt600: fluffypony, are u a narco?
fluffypony: akstunt600: no
fluffypony: off-label use
akstunt600: ahhh nice
akstunt600: i know someone who takes that
fluffypony: yeah it's surprisingly good
akstunt600: he like will just like fall asleep in chat
fluffypony: shame it's rough
akstunt600: hmm Im not much for drugs anymore
akstunt600: I smoke every now and then
akstunt600: or take kratom like once in a blue moon
fluffypony: I've never been a fan, I don't like stuff that mucks with my brain (in a negative way)
fluffypony: like the Provigil is nice to keep me productive and alert during the day
fluffypony: but some of the nootropics guys are insane
fluffypony: with their "stacking"
akstunt600: sometimes im extremely good on kratom sometimes
akstunt600: liek up all night working on pet projects
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2750 @ 0.00096381 = 2.6505 BTC [+]
akstunt600: whoa thats cool
akstunt600: marjuana has some neurogensis capabilities
akstunt600: but that is next elevel
akstunt600: level*
fluffypony: yeah I don't dig the downsides of stuff like that
akstunt600: hmm I have adhd
akstunt600 ponders noottropics
fluffypony: some of the stuff could work well for you
akstunt600: fluffypony, depnding on the type of MJ i hate it you know
akstunt600: some strains compliment me well
akstunt600 id deeply interested
akstunt600: i think i may have to try this
akstunt600 was diagnosed ADHD ata young age
fluffypony: when I was discussing Provigil with my doctor he actually suggested Ritalin
akstunt600: Yeah I was on ritalin at a young age
fluffypony: but I think that would have had the wrong affect on me
akstunt600: it did for me
akstunt600: so did adderal
fluffypony: when I was 20 I taught origami and piano to kids with heavy bipolar/add/adhd/schizophrenia
fluffypony: at a college for them
fluffypony: was actually an amazing experience overall, but frustrating (the paranoid schizophrenic kids)
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MisterE: fuck have we returned to regular scheduled programming?
MisterE: looks rather non-trollish
moiety: patience + time = a lot of win in those situations fluffypony
fluffypony: moiety: yeah
akstunt600: i have developed quite the patience working with computers
fluffypony: had a kid that spent an entire lesson insisting he was god and was going to make it rain
akstunt600 is linux only guy
MisterE: send all your extra adderal and rittlan to me!
fluffypony: and then at the end saying "well I didn't want to do it anyway"
MisterE: I have exams coming up
akstunt600: owow fluffypony
moiety shrugs, it happens
akstunt600: MisterE, I dont use it or condone adderal
akstunt600: i dont even drink
akstunt600: i just smoke weed every now and then
MisterE: I dont drink either
MisterE: I only smoke weed
MisterE: daily
akstunt600: and maybe soon nootropics
moiety: the most fristrating is learning disabilites + mental health disorders and communication is even unclearer
MisterE: oh and some molly sometimes
akstunt600: Im more of a 3-5 times a week
fluffypony: moiety: yeah I can imagine
MisterE: unclearerist
akstunt600: hhahaha
fluffypony: well learning patience was good training for dealing with my wife;)
moiety: unclearaging
MisterE: I only tease moiety because he's a jock
akstunt600: hhhahahahha me too fluffypony
MisterE: moiety: how do you pronounce your name?
moiety: moy - ity
MisterE: I had a jock friend named Ruridrah, guess how you pronounce that fucker?
MisterE: ok thats normal
moiety: however you like really, i come to most things
MisterE: this guy's name was "Ruru"
MisterE: Rury*
moiety: Rory?
fluffypony: I have an Irish friend whose name is Ruari
MisterE: dunno how you could ever get something that sounds like Rury from Ruridrah\
fluffypony: pronounced Rory
MisterE: oh?
moiety: aye
moiety: sounds kinda more irish to me btw
MisterE: I wish I had climed Nevis when I was young and hard
MisterE: no this dude was straight up jock man
MisterE: no irish afaik
moiety: like Caoimhe is pronounced Keeva
MisterE: what the??
moiety: aye
moiety: there's plenty names like that dude
MisterE: keeva sounds like slang for a drug
moiety: its not english, its gaelic
MisterE: ahh ok
fluffypony: wow moiety, that would not have been my first guess at pronounciation
MisterE: of all the Northern accents the one that kills me the most is Welsh
moiety: haha theres loads, Caoimhe is irish gaelic
MisterE: those dudes I dunno WTF they are saying
moiety: welsh is south to me :P
MisterE: yea heh
MisterE: I'm at the equator
moiety: they have incredibly long townnames, the welsh. i find their accent pretty humourous
MisterE: me too
Mats_cd03: moiety: preparing for a move out to a boston suburb, gonna be out there for a few months before i go to s. korea
MisterE: brits have some Hello Kitty like town names eh?
MisterE: something you'd expect a village of hobbits to be named
Mats_cd03: giving away most of my shit and hiding the rest in friends garages :P
fluffypony: all this talk makes me want to do a tour of Ireland
MisterE: Mats_cd03: I love that feeling
MisterE: dumping off all the baggage
moiety: Mats_cd03: I'm learning korean! where are you off to?
MisterE: korean is fscking hard!
Mats_cd03: dunno really
moiety: MisterE: the town where i grew up mostly, is where peter pan originated so....
MisterE: Boston, where they paaark the caaar, at the paaarty
Mats_cd03: i'm on civ-mil orders so i find out when i arrive i believe
Mats_cd03: (dirty gi here)
MisterE: merc :p
Mats_cd03: i went to a barber shop last time expecting a haircut
moiety: MisterE: korean is piss easy. the kind rewrote it in the 14th century because he wanted it to be easier to learn (less illiterates). Its based all around the shape your mouth and throat make to make the sounds of each syllable. also, man, earth etc
fluffypony: pahk the cah in Baaahstin
Mats_cd03: that didn't happen
moiety: King**
Mats_cd03: yeah learning the korean alphabet is easy
MisterE: interesting
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Mats_cd03: its popularly known as something you can learn in a day - reading and writing, anyway
akstunt600 wants to travel
MisterE: but I will always be waygookin
Mats_cd03: speaking and comprehension is another story... korean is a stupid language
moiety: yep... its remembering where everything is on the keyboard i have trouble with XD
akstunt600: i have only been to a fee countries
MisterE: so not much fun
akstunt600: but seen all 50 states
Mats_cd03: yeah koreans are horrible
MisterE: Mats_cd03: what they call you?
MisterE: rucking xenophobes
Mats_cd03: i dunno
akstunt600: ok all im out
akstunt600: sleep and such
akstunt600: peace
MisterE: nn ak
Mats_cd03: koreans are lucky to be industrialized enough to be douchebags in asia
moiety: there are also very little dialect type variations in korea. its pretty homogenous. In japanese, you have four levels of politeness. oldest gen cant reall understand the youngest gen. as with thailand, place to place. people from bangkok can't always understand the rural people
Mats_cd03: the us lifted them out of sheer poverty and created a democratic society for them
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MisterE: if it weren't for ther war they would be another third rate shithole like Laos
Mats_cd03: koreans didnt have class structures, wealth, or religious beliefs
MisterE: or maybe Vietnam
MisterE: harsh but true
Mats_cd03: they were in a unique period of time and benefited from american protectionism... now they're the favorite child of asia
MisterE: and what up with the Japanese hate
MisterE: they are so similar yet so much hate
moiety: yes they did. they are very structured
Mats_cd03: my understanding is the entire society didnt have classes
moiety: they are also pretty religious. though have shifted from mainly buddhist to mainly christian thesedays
MisterE: yea into the haves and will never haves
Mats_cd03: in the way we use the word today to refer to socialism, etc...
MisterE: heh
moiety: i believe different re classes
Mats_cd03: yes they are now supremely christian thanks to murican missionaries
MisterE: that sucks balls
Mats_cd03: the jp hate is warranted, but im also ethnic han
MisterE: I mean I like that Jesus dude but Christians are assholes
Mats_cd03: to this day the .jp govt denies or downplays the events of ww2
moiety: but more so, its focus is on age. the older you are the higher up you are
moiety: like, your boss can beat you np
Mats_cd03: serious victimhood play acting going on and it pisses chinese nationals off
MisterE: oh that ww2 resentment will never die
Mats_cd03: e.g. denying nanjing happened, or pretending like 20k people died total
MisterE: thats not the first time jpas come barreling into china raping and pillaging
MisterE: happened a lot previous to ww2
Mats_cd03: and they were all just, you know, shot in the head, instead of having mothers heads cut off and then forcing siblings to fuck each other, etc
Mats_cd03: it was relatively rare if you are a student of chinese history
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moiety: ;; later tell nubbins` quick question, have you seen Taegukgi?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
Mats_cd03: happened... just once before, because the brits gave .jp firearms
Mats_cd03: otherwise china has been the big brother in the relationship for most of its existence
MisterE: no going back centuries japanese were raiding manchuria iirc
moiety: ;; later tell nubbins` or May 18 for that matter?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
Mats_cd03: jp culture derives heavily from chinese customs, for one
MisterE: yes
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moiety: BingoBoingo: hihi
BingoBoingo: hi moiety
Mats_cd03: moiety: yeah lol. the violence is absurd
MisterE: BingoBoingo fan club
Mats_cd03: a peer of mine did a stint in the korean forces
Mats_cd03: he claimed 2000 conscripts a year ended up dead
Mats_cd03: due to abuse by superiors and the like
MisterE: what now?
MisterE: what violence?
Mats_cd03: koreans are incredibly belligerent
moiety: BingoBoingo: do we get a badge for this club? ;P how are you?
Mats_cd03: and the way the hierarchy is setup, superiors are essentially allowed to abuse subordinates
MisterE: Mats_cd03: I've had a lot of problems with drunk Korean men pickign fights with me
Mats_cd03: e.g. physical beatings as corrective action
BingoBoingo: I'm good, moiety Maybe set a bounty for one of your doders to make one?
Mats_cd03: the belligerence is literally part of their culture
moiety: BingoBoingo: i could always stamp some.....
BingoBoingo: moiety: You could indeed
BingoBoingo: moiety: You ever make that new site?
Mats_cd03: anyway, to reiterate, the border conflicts was one thing (re: manchuria)
BingoBoingo: for manuls?
Mats_cd03: japan has rarely been in a position to threaten china proper
MisterE: I started carrying a shillelagh of sorts in Iatewan
MisterE: never used it thank god
Mats_cd03: china has dealt with border issues since time immemorial
MisterE: Being US in Korea is extra harsh
MisterE: yea so has Russia
moiety: BingoBoingo: i had to take some time out, everything went on hold. // your badge turns out quite long http://i.imgur.com/Kt188e4.png
MisterE: thats why I wish US would back the fuck off
Mats_cd03: lol and nobody wants to live in russia
MisterE: heh
MisterE: lol
MisterE: moiety: fine work!
moiety: :D i like binary
MisterE: Mats_cd03: is Memories of Murder 2003 any good?
moiety: BingoBoingo: i think i would get tired doing those
Mats_cd03: idk ive never seen it
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MisterE: pencak silat intersting
MisterE: never heard of it
moiety: BingoBoingo: i also cant get my domain just now. a roof is taking priority, you know?
BingoBoingo: Ah yeah
MisterE: I'm Bangkok based usually Mats_cd03
moiety: considering throwing it on the mc domain though
fluffypony: moiety: I'll buy you a domain
moiety discovered cowsay - lots of time wasted
Mats_cd03: hows the weather this time of year
moiety: fluffypony: o.o very kind but why would you do that?
fluffypony: moiety: I have funds sitting in my NameCheap account, might as well use them
fluffypony: besides, I always start a project by buying the domain, lol
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moiety: oh this is a purely useless endeavour, i cant even call it a project XD i just like manuls
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fluffypony: moiety: pm me the details and I'll hook it up
Mats_cd03: pretty good layman's explanation
fluffypony: Mats_cd03: yeah I thought so
moiety: lol @ xkcd, thanks fluffypony it's ok though, it's a .ae i had my eye on.
moiety: is fantasticfelinae too long do you think?
moiety: its really all thats left for .usuals
Mats_cd03: ;;later tell asciilifeform got free time? https://microcorruption.com memory corruption CTF
gribble: The operation succeeded.
moiety: i have also adopted css into my life, gosh that saves a whole bunch of time
Mats_cd03: MisterE: if you like The Departed and .hk cinema, Infernal Affairs is worth watching; it is the movie that inspired Scorsese
moiety: Mats_cd03: nooo, don't fill his free time. I need manuls and lasers in that free time
BingoBoingo: ;;laserkittens
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Mats_cd03: ascii is a programmer as well as a purveyor of cats and lasers?
Mats_cd03: much range
minersdidit: any votes on who should be the next developer to step down?
moiety: win felin.ae is still avail
moiety: holy shit when did gribble start doing that?!?!
moiety: gribble: i love you
fluffypony: moiety: since it became sentient
fluffypony: nanotube merged his consciousness with gribble in January
BingoBoingo: minersdidit: DOes it really matter. They are kind of walled off in the ghetto anyways. Just give them plenty of bicycles to steal and they won't have time to fuck shit up anymore.
moiety: BingoBoingo: how have i missed this? are yous worried thats all i do?!
moiety: i will*
BingoBoingo: moiety: I'm not too worried
moiety: Mats_cd03: he has a laser all to himself! and he introduced me to manuls
moiety: does anything worry you BingoBoingo?
BingoBoingo: moiety: Because bottles get empty
moiety: :D this is when chess needs to be played
BingoBoingo: OH, I've got to get some blags wrote atm
BingoBoingo: finally caught up the lags
moiety: i'll check the record for new things soon then!
Mats_cd03: anyone want to play a blitz round
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fluffypony: Mats_cd03: I'm on
BingoBoingo: Mats_cd03: WHen truffles is around he is usually into the blitx stuff
moiety: Mats_cd03: I can only play BingoBoingo for now, he's rather forgiving for my being a learner
BingoBoingo: moiety: Give Mats_cd03 a play
moiety: they are playing really fast!
Mats_cd03: fucking drake lol
Mats_cd03: i cant believe some guy that got his start in degrassi
Mats_cd03: in a wheelchair
Mats_cd03: who is a canadian jew
Mats_cd03: got into rap
BingoBoingo: The world is weird
moiety: they all kinda blend into one person for me
Mats_cd03: started from the bottom indeed
cazalla: degrassi isn't degassi unless it's old school zit remedy degrassi
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moiety: http://imgur.com/gallery/NA5fWjA would a bear/felinae site be a little strange?!
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moiety: my gosh you guys have already stolen lots of each others bits o.o
MisterE: If I could get all the bits back this channel has stolen I'd be rich!
moiety: BingoBoingo was going away and doing things while i made a move lol
Mats_cd03: yeah MisterE
moiety: whats the collective term for all the chess people bits? just, pieces?
moiety: just the people not the board too
moiety: aaaaaaand this is why you don't play me at chess
danielpbarron: chess set noun 1. a chessboard and a set of chessmen.
moiety: chessmen... poor queenie
danielpbarron: i believe that's called checkmate
moiety: she seems to be the only one i can do any damage with
Mats_cd03: read a book
moiety: things are better retained through action
moiety: except castling... that shit is never going in, i fear
fluffypony: nice game Mats_cd03
Mats_cd03: heh i need practice
fluffypony: yeah also
Mats_cd03: you did well though
fluffypony: that timer freaks me out
fluffypony: when I was at 45s left I started panic moving
Mats_cd03: haha yeah blitz is hard like that
Mats_cd03: takes experience to know how to react to openings quickly
fluffypony: must definitely play again
Mats_cd03: sleepy time; night everyone
fluffypony: night
moiety: night Mats_cd03 :) sleep well
moiety: my mouse is having a stroke, need a restart o.o
minersdidit: good riddance
minersdidit: guy was annoying
minersdidit: M ats_cd03: the nigger jew you were asking about is drake
minersdidit: lmao @ mpex shares still trading
minersdidit: who is seriously buying that shit
moiety: o.o ok
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Namworld: [04:07] <minersdidit> lmao @ mpex shares still trading
Namworld: You seem to be in the wrong channel.
Namworld: Kind of a large MPEx crowd in here.
Namworld: eh, he left
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Duffer1: he's been trolling the chan all day
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fluffypony: yeah just read that
fluffypony: very clever
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pankkake: lol XML!
mircea_popescu: MisterE lmao good one
MisterE: yea the holy grail
mircea_popescu: all this twitter chatter about omg dropbox. i never used it, because i didn't fucking like the idea a decade ago. now everyone stops liking the idea. i guess we all end up in the same spot eventually.
MisterE: I dumped all cloud services except Mega last year
mircea_popescu: i never used any. because why ? i still don't get it.
MisterE: sometimes when I was teaching I had to have my students download files
MisterE: few other use cases but I agree and hardly use it at all these days
fluffypony: yeah I've had a similar use-case
fluffypony: sharing files with non-technical people
MisterE: ^ that
fluffypony: if it's with technical people I'd rather use git for versioning/sharing
pankkake: people don't like dropbox now? why?
MisterE: mircea_popescu just doesn't deal with any non-technical people I don;t think :)
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MisterE: pankkake: well for one they just put that torture, WMD, lying bitch Codaleeza Rice on their board.
mircea_popescu: MisterE so what's the problem to i dunno, dumpingthem on a server with apache ?
mircea_popescu: http has file transfer.
pankkake: not that you should ever have liked it - any honest competitor should have a fully open source CLIENT and CLIENT-SIDE encryption
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: it's not that way, it's the other way around as well
fluffypony: they need to send to youa
fluffypony: once they've made changes
MisterE: yea it's a nightmare
fluffypony: I tried doing the FTP thing ages ago with someone
fluffypony: it was awful
mircea_popescu: so if these are text files just dump a blog software or something on a webserver
pankkake: dropbox provides easy file versionning and synchronisation. personally, I use git, but it's not the same crowd
MisterE: git is great!
mircea_popescu: dun tell me they're "making changes" in photoshop
MisterE: editingmovies on the fly heh
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: no normally Excel/Word documents, not plain text
mircea_popescu: i guess that's where we differ. i'd have forced all kids write .txt
mircea_popescu: excel/word seriously ?! F+
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fluffypony: I tried teaching someone markdown the other day
fluffypony: gave up after an hour
MisterE: many of my Asian students would have needed detailed instructions to make .txt
mircea_popescu: this is how kids grow up to be 37 yo "senior counsel" that can't express itself in writing needs to talk on the phone.
mircea_popescu: enrich their fucking minds damnit
MisterE: ^ yep
mircea_popescu: MisterE now why would that be ?!
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mircea_popescu: just think about it ... chicks that could be walking around with synthetic vaginas in their tits
MisterE: the education system in many countries turns out the most low quality product I could ever imagine
mircea_popescu: could nevertheless not type text into their computor.
mircea_popescu: strange new world.
fluffypony: well the reason Excel is so pervasive is because it allows for simple (and sometimes invalid/incorrect) data analysis for even the most non-technical
MisterE: with multiple vags they probably won't have to worry about typing to make money heh
mircea_popescu: fluffypony you mean their cheap matlab clone ?
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: yeah, but try teaching matlab to someone
fluffypony: or try teaching them to use sql as an alternative
fluffypony: even with UI tools
mircea_popescu: ok. i now appreciate the shit you folks have to deal it.
MisterE: yea it's insane how stuck on MS education is
mircea_popescu: i never would, personally, which is why i don't teach there.
MisterE: they absolutely know nothing else but Word Excel and FB
fluffypony: MisterE: yeah I never understood that, I always figured educators would want to use whatever was cheap and accessible, but MS has a foothold that isn't going away
MisterE: yea it's terrible I got out of teaching ASAP but good way to land in a country and get the lay of the land and make a few connections
cazalla: MS give it away for free to keep the foothold, don't they?
mircea_popescu: this is a good point.
MisterE: I loved teaching the young kids but the uni level I just hated
mircea_popescu: cazalla not really anymore than pharma gives meds away
MisterE: here it is all pirated
fluffypony: cazalla: they have an education edition of office, can't remember what it's called, but it's cheaper - not free
cazalla: must be an aussie thing
mircea_popescu: fluffypony why not just use open/libre office ?
mircea_popescu: it's definitely a drop-in replacement for excel etc
mircea_popescu: and it will save in proper formats.
fluffypony: yep I know, but they're afraid of it
fluffypony: well I'm talking more from a business stand point than an education one
MisterE: I dunno why they, Asians at least, simply can't get it in their head that there are other options.
pankkake: MisterE: some people sent me one-page powerpoints with only one image in it
pankkake: or other crap
fluffypony: but what I've seen happen is that some IT guy gets the bright idea to cut down on licensing costs by going OO/LO
mircea_popescu: anyway, your solution re the file problem : get them to migrate to open office, have their shit exported as whatever mark-up, it can be uploaded and validated on webserver.
mircea_popescu: and you're doing more for a better world than any vegetarian/ecologist/occupywallstreet/other idjit.
fluffypony: until some manager gets sent an Excel file with something complicated/shit (VBA, PivotCharts, PivotTables)
fluffypony: and it breaks in OO/LO
fluffypony: and then everyone goes back to MS Office
fluffypony: and the cycle continues
mircea_popescu: fluffypony you've4 just explained the market incentive for ms windows to stay obscure and broken.
mircea_popescu: people usually harp about it, but this is why they do it.
MisterE: school gave a colleague a hard time for not teaching Office iirc. He was only talking about cross platform compatibility but got called in for a discussion because students had complained
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: exactly
mircea_popescu: "our customers are many and stupid, we gotta "
mircea_popescu: a product, willy-nilly, ends up looking like its userbase.
MisterE: thats a terrible thing about the education system here teachers don't judge students because of the cultural / social hierarchy teachers are rated by students with rich parents
mircea_popescu: that's actually great.
MisterE: mircea_popescu: yea I just read your PR post on your blog about customers :)
MisterE: well it could be if used right but, since only wealthy kids here can afford Western teachers it's lazy dumb rich kids who cry to daddy when you try to get them to do anything productive then daddy calls school and teacher has a problem
MisterE: that and the no fail policy are why I left as fast as I did
MisterE: it's a joke
fluffypony: oh FFS, our maid just broke another iron
mircea_popescu: MisterE so tell dady how it is.
MisterE: oh FFS, first world problems :p
mircea_popescu: daddy is rich, he can't really be stupid.
fluffypony: MisterE: lawlz
MisterE: actually it's not a meritocracy, rich here often are the most stupid
MisterE: they buy their degrees from schools who dont make them work and are guaranteed work from family
mircea_popescu: which country is that again ?
fluffypony: MisterE: I think that's sometimes/often a product of "I inherited money so making money was a matter of only making a few major mistakes"
MisterE: Thailand is where I taught
fluffypony: where a poor/middle-class person can virtually be wiped out by making a major mistake
MisterE: but most SE Asian eduction systems are similar
mircea_popescu: i wonder how it survives.
mircea_popescu: theoretically speaking at least they should have been massacred in teh marketplace.
MisterE: Burma is much better interestingly
MisterE: and all the boat people coming back to Vietnam with Western education things are booming there
MisterE: well thailand is responsible for 19997
MisterE: they constantly institute capitol controls that shoot themselves in the foot
mircea_popescu: wassat ?
MisterE: they lost billions on a populist rice pledging scheme
mircea_popescu: so basically, thailand is a set of old landed gentry trying their best to stick to relevancy ? sorta like argentina ?
MisterE: they really are dumb I mean I dont want to be racist but Thailand is run and full of dumb people
MisterE: thats why people enjoy vacation so uch here
fluffypony: btw pankkake, good article on another XXE issue in OpenID from earlier this year: http://www.sensepost.com/blog/10178.html
MisterE: mircea_popescu: that's pretty good analysis
mircea_popescu: who the fuck wants to be with stupid people.
MisterE: old money here has been around for generations and nothing much has changed under the hood
MisterE: though as is typical in Asia lots of new paintjobs :)
MisterE: I tell you it really wears on me at times
cazalla: i thought people go to thailand for sex tourism?
mircea_popescu: MisterE actually i think i get whart you mean re vacations. costa rica is a pleasure, but yeah the locals are really slow.
MisterE: I irc a lot and hang out at the foreign corespondent's club and stay sane that way
Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu would retort with "who the fuck wants to fuck stupid people"
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic men.
MisterE: you really do not want to live here unless you're retiring
MisterE: especially if you have any addictive personality or not able to self-motivate
mircea_popescu: so basically you made your own zombie attack.
MisterE: I get out to hk and cx and sg often so BKK is a great base
MisterE: lol
MisterE: I could for shure
MisterE: also my standard of living is high and super cheap
MisterE: girls are very very hot
mircea_popescu: really, this is true of most of the world outside of some very narrowly selected places.
mircea_popescu: most places that aren't california, new york, pairs etc have high living standards of living, plentiful and obedient good looking women etc.
mircea_popescu: the trick is to not live in rome, as it were.
MisterE: well you can't match the cost of living here in most places where Western comforts are available granted though I've given up on most of them just because of changing
mircea_popescu: how not ? i've lived pretty much all over the world. living space costs you something in the range of a dollar per square foot per year.
mircea_popescu: food (actual, as opposed to whatever the fuck us fastfood is) will run you ten bux a day and so on
MisterE: my last place was about 80sqm, near the beach, a duplex, 2 bed 1nice bath and full kitchen (not often found here) and rent $230
MisterE: food is same everywhere
MisterE: if you want to eat healthy
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 230 * 12 / 80 / 9
gribble: 3.83333333333
Apocalyptic: SG is nice, though expensive for Asia standards
mircea_popescu: i guess you paid extra fo rthe beach and the kitchen
Apocalyptic: i read somewhere it's becoming the most expensive city in the world
MisterE: yea I would never live in sg because of the cost or hk also the space
mircea_popescu: (really, very small places throw the curve)
MisterE: that same place would have been $1500 in Berkeley or $3500 in SF
mircea_popescu: but i just said "most places that aren't california, new york, pairs etc"
mircea_popescu: you dun wanna live in rome.
MisterE: yea I sort of did want to live in a beach town a coupl eyears
MisterE: it wore off now deciding what to do next and rural is definitely the way forward
MisterE: I'm old done enough cities
cazalla: that's what i'm doing in 18-24 months MisterE
mircea_popescu: haha we're exact opposite ends of the cycle. i'm sick of peace and quiet.
cazalla: headed innawoods in tasmania
mircea_popescu: cazalla with the kid ?!
MisterE: I wouldn't want to live anywhere that wasn't reasonably close to somewhere with culture and fun though it's worth it to pay for that
MisterE: like I'd never live in Kansas
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 17 @ 0.58000235 = 9.86 BTC [-] {3}
MisterE: or you know OK mid-west wasteland
cazalla: mircea_popescu: tassie is small, i'll find an area with a school within an hour and the wife can drive him
MisterE: find a good school, build somethign nearby
cazalla: i was actually going to piss off and do this before she fell pregnant
MisterE: thats always what I thought I;d do but no kids ever came
MisterE: maybe I;m shooting blanks :)
mircea_popescu: haha which reminds me, there used to be this whore advertised as a cum grader
MisterE: you lived in au mircea_popescu ?
mircea_popescu: she supposedly could tell you if you were shooting blanks or not.
MisterE: lol nasty
mircea_popescu: MisterE nope.
MisterE: haha
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.051925 = 0.2077 BTC [+] {2}
fluffypony: MisterE: mircea_popescu likes to Remain Here
fluffypony: *awful pun*
MisterE: how expensive in Romania?
MisterE: heh
mircea_popescu: not terribly.
mircea_popescu: "The North Carolina Attorney General's Office is now joining other states investigating a massive data breach at a credit reporting agency that has put 200 million Social Security numbers at risk."
mircea_popescu: god fucking forbid they say EXPERIAN
mircea_popescu: on the other hand, if it were some shitty service nobody heard of that happened to take btc ?
MisterE: right, proicks protecting their corporate friends
mircea_popescu: BITCOIN SECURITY FLAW
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: CORE security flaw in the Bitcoin ponzi scam!
fluffypony: allowed hackers to steal MILLIONS!
mircea_popescu: this is here so i have what to link journos when they need to be told how to cover btc.
mircea_popescu: cover it like it was obama's experian, fuckwit. because it is.
MisterE: corps hate us because we will gut and assimilate them one day
mircea_popescu: this is not a reason to hate.
mircea_popescu: this is a reason to fucking cuddle.
MisterE: reminds me of talking about saving face, Thai Air plane went off runway recently, monor accident few people roughed up but before deplaning or doing anything they had a crew out there covering the Thai logs
MisterE: logos*
fluffypony: lol! I have to try this tonight: http://i.imgur.com/TeHIhn9.jpg
mircea_popescu: MisterE lmao and they're allowed to ?
MisterE: fluffypony: did you read about how to make that in here? http://i.imgur.com/eSfqSKR.jpg
fluffypony: *clicks*
mircea_popescu: o wait, this is one of those fucktarded south asian countries which a) still has libel and b) truth is no defense to it ?
fluffypony: MisterE: indeed - that's the textbook I use for my Advanced Alcoholicist course
MisterE: \\\truth is a defense if you can afford to defend yourself defamation is prosecuted by the state and has a very chilling effect
MisterE: I'm involved with a case now
mircea_popescu: i remember some ridiculous thing where some blogger said she found a cockroach in her soup and then had to take down the post because the eatery objected
MisterE: the Lesse Majeste laws are what th is really know for being regressive about
mircea_popescu: fucking burn the place down, the gall of those people.
MisterE: right
mircea_popescu: MisterE amusingly, that part i can see. unless you're willing to go to war for the throne, stfu about the king.
mircea_popescu: this makes sense.
MisterE: well it's got that but on the upside nobody fucks with you here the cops do nothing they dont see their pace to intervene in personal disputes, you must have personal responsibility
mircea_popescu: also nice.
MisterE: I feel more free in reality here despite the nice piece of paper back in the US and my passport
MisterE: and nothing a little cash cant fix here even if I fuck up
MisterE: politeness of course trumps all
mircea_popescu: the advantage of corrupt societies.
MisterE: yes works to the foregners advantage almost always
mircea_popescu: people keep saying "corrupt" like it's a bad thing, but i seriously have been making it one of my top indicators
mircea_popescu: you dun wanna live in an "uncorrupt" society, because that always means totalitarian in practice.
MisterE: yea shit gets done when the wheels are greased
MisterE: US is nearly as corrupt but has a fucking elaborate system to shield it behind
MisterE: I may have more respect for Asians who just say hell with it and lay it on the table
mircea_popescu: MisterE try and tell a us cop that he either gets on his knees or he loses his job. then go pay his boss to fire him.
MisterE: tbh it effects me very little maybe once every other month in a minor driving incident
mircea_popescu: then get back to me about corrupt
MisterE: yea US cops are out of control
MisterE: I'm never going back ever
MisterE: but still remain interested in politics and happeings
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.0511 = 0.3577 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: humiliating the police force is pretty much the test. if they don't understand that they have to get out of the way of *some people* it ain't a country worth living in.
ozbot: BitBet - Bitcoin difficulty to fall
MisterE: oh check out how the right of way system works here...
ozbot: 6.120 billion | Next Diff in 1100 blocks | Estimated Change: 4.6909% in 7d 6h 42m 4s
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla check that out, there's class warfare on bitbet
MisterE: so pedestrians are on the bottom ofc and have to wait for everything, then motorbikes (mopeds), then cars, then trucks (medium size) then busses because state owned bug dgaf and will hammer you) then big trucks with like trailers and finally everyone yields to the lat model Mercedes Benz . This is because the Benz may be driven by a well connected person who could make problems for you so fucks in Benzes flaunt everyone
MisterE: and anyone important here gets a police escort there's dozens maybe hundreds a day
mircea_popescu: well that's nutty.
mircea_popescu: i much prefer the european system (pedestrian have priority over anything)
MisterE: when royal family travels pedestrian overpasses are blocked, not for security, but because no one can be positioned higher than a royal.
MisterE: me too!
MisterE: I think some jerks here actually accelerate when you're in a crosswalk
MisterE: mircea_popescu: tl;dr Thais are the nicest people money can buy.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.05199999 = 0.624 BTC [+] {2}
fluffypony: so someone placed a ~100 BTC buy order on Cryptsy for Dogecoin last night
fluffypony: from Reddit: "It's a Bitcoin investor that is going to capitalize on the ingenuity and creativity of Dogecoin."
Naphex: lol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.05289998 = 0.3174 BTC [+] {2}
fluffypony: "This is a pump to say the least."
fluffypony: a 100 BTC buy is a pump?!
BingoBoingo: On something as worthless as Doge it is
mircea_popescu: that's ap oint.
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: true
mircea_popescu: what's it trade for ? still 100 satoshi ?
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: yeah the buy was at 98
fluffypony: currently sitting at 99 it seems
mircea_popescu: so basically... doge owner and operator spending 100 of his last 1xx btc in a doomed but desperate attempt to save his pump and dump scheme from oblivion
mircea_popescu: in spite of having made ~70% losses on his total investment so far, and in spite of having managed to attreact the wrath of mp, dude still hopes.
MisterE: I read rumor that DOGE and LTC were combining lol
mircea_popescu: MisterE the shit consists of nothing but trying to somehow buy press coverage. so... yeah. rumours.
MisterE: there's a bitbet about dog still worffing
MisterE: woffing*
MisterE: yep think it was bitcointalk or some crap site
mircea_popescu: ya but it never gathered 10 btc worth of interest iirc
ozbot: BitBet - Doge still woofing on April Fool's Day
BingoBoingo: Dogers aren't the type to have discovered hedging yet though
mircea_popescu: or their penises.
fluffypony: coinmarketcap hurts my brain with the number of bullshit coins on there
pankkake: I should have made the bet last more, but April 1st was a good date
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03427436 = 0.1371 BTC [-] {3}
fluffypony: "Safari refresh couple of times if you don't see the entire webpage contents below."
MisterE: Ya GF delivers Carl's Jr.!
fluffypony: "Marinecoin is far ahead of its time, 5-10 years beyond traditional thinking. Let them make fun of you if they wish, for you will have your "Who is laughing now?" moment, guaranteed."
fluffypony invests all of his Bitcoin right now!
MisterE: I know but chix sand not the worst and I do get cravings here
cazalla: Isracoin has been doing ok, they're gonna have an airdrop, wonder if the palestinians will do that for them heh
MisterE: Marinecoin
pankkake: fluffypony: that's how it looks to me and will stay that way: http://i.imgur.com/HwDveU3.png
MisterE: how could you make a coin to help carbon emissions?
fluffypony: pankkake: looks much better than the actual site
fluffypony: cazalla: all of the coins with a ** next to the total supply you can disregard
fluffypony: they're "significantly premined", so if two of them sell for 100 satoshi but there are 10 trillion premined
cazalla: i think you can disregard any without 1 next to them
fluffypony: well, you can figure out what that means
fluffypony: "Ladies and Gentlemen, we are ready and proud to announce, to educate the rest 99% of the population who has never heard about crypto currencies. The CHECKMATE Trading System. Using Eccentric Trade Matrix Harmonic Acceleration Technology. The one & only truly revolutionary trading platform based on quantum physics & electron flow dynamics mathematical formulas. A 6 dimensional chess game we have invented that will forever change how crypto
fluffypony: currencies are going to be traded in the very near future."
fluffypony: what in actual fuck are these people smoking
mircea_popescu: fluffypony basically it's like this : society consists at all times of some people in the center, and a bunch of nuts at the edges. they are at the edges because they suck.
mircea_popescu: now, all new things start at the edge and move towards the center.
mircea_popescu: and every time something looks like it's going that way, the filth tries to hitch a ride.
mircea_popescu: that's the winklevoss twins, in a word : scum facebook sorta-drug with it.
MisterE: fairly lengthy troll today from minersdidit
mircea_popescu: and every single nutty idea will try to pile itself on top of the train, as it were, just as long as they figure "thge train is going somewhere"
mircea_popescu: so expect to have flat earth bitcoin, godcoin, globalwarmingcoin, etc.
MisterE: globalwarmingcoin was my idea!!
fluffypony: the altcoin section of Bitcointalk is becoming the Warrior Forums of BTC
mircea_popescu: indeed, very stylized
cazalla: fluffypony: WF is one step ahead, you have been able to buy WSO on making money with crypto for some time
MisterE: I read a city minted a coin, only the local gov can mine it, and they're giving it for charitable things people do to help the city. now you can exchange for a title or crappy council resolution but trying to make more incentives for it.
fluffypony: well there you go
MisterE: US city
mircea_popescu: cazalla hardly one step ahead :D
pankkake: I hope Detroit launches Robocoin
mircea_popescu: either that or rapecoin.
mircea_popescu: "you get one every time you file a complaint"
pankkake: what about Ropecoin?
mircea_popescu: how's that work ?
fluffypony: you can use it to tie up your actual money?
mircea_popescu: so you've been roped into it.
pankkake: can be either hanging themed or bondage themed
pankkake: bagholders would be at the end of the rope
fluffypony: and you buy in with "proof of burn"
mircea_popescu: ropeburn is not to be joked with
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 163 @ 0.00084999 = 0.1385 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39726 @ 0.00096197 = 38.2152 BTC [+] {7}
BingoBoingo: . bait
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 120 @ 0.14 = 16.8 BTC {4}
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 426.1, vol: 64456.23973551 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 420.0, vol: 53954.02149 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 427.9999, vol: 57019.52119721 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 425.15, vol: 383.30053439 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 422.79566, vol: 9946.06750000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 442.86987, vol: 18.99977414 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 437.125486123, vol: 313.12483935 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: ;;more
gribble: average: 424.75524867
BingoBoingo: So BTC is pretty much back to where it was 2 days ago
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 19 @ 0.14 = 2.66 BTC {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: yes, until China bans bitcoin again
BingoBoingo: This is what, the seventh, eighth time already?
Duffer1: ;t h alc
Duffer1: ;ticker h alc
mircea_popescu: well they did win the bet...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03579999 = 0.179 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 17 @ 0.03623524 = 0.616 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 5 @ 0.14 = 0.7 BTC
MisterE: rapecoin lmao
pankkake: rape credits would be better. make them work like carbon credits
MisterE: murdercoin I might could get behind
MisterE: some people should not reproduce
pankkake: castracoin should be enough then
pankkake: or aborcoin
nubbins`: ;;later tell moiety Taegukgi yep, May 18 nope
gribble: The operation succeeded.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: have you collected your Bitleu yet? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=510353.0
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59389997 BTC [+]
MisterE: castracoin++
Apocalyptic: "Officical cryptocurrency of Romania?
Apocalyptic: Any proof of that ?"
Apocalyptic: these people...
mircea_popescu: that's ok, i'll do without
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 6 @ 0.14 = 0.84 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.59399998 = 1.188 BTC [+] {2}
fluffypony: Apocalyptic: did they seriously misspell official?
Apocalyptic: they did
mircea_popescu: is this the same dork that kept trying to pump ixcoin ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0364999 = 0.1095 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.05130103 = 0.1539 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59389997 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.05130103 = 0.1539 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 10 @ 0.14 = 1.4 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.59498999 = 4.1649 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0523 = 0.1569 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.59389997 = 1.1878 BTC [-]
adolf_fishler: hello kind sir
artifexd: ;;later tell kakobrekla Why did assbot rate a bunch of people?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
adolf_fishler: based on sexyness?
pankkake: looks like a list of users active on #bitcoin-assets
mircea_popescu: artifexd because impending doom
artifexd: After the 12 hour troll fest in here last night, I wouldn't be surprised if #bitcoin-assets became +m and to get +v you had to be rated in the wot.
mircea_popescu: why are you so smart ?
pankkake: there was a troll?
artifexd: Of course, that increases the chicken/egg problem. Maybe being ident would be enough?
mircea_popescu: this isn't really meant as a first line "learn about bitcoin and share your feelings" venue anyway. there's the various forums and social media sites for that.
Apocalyptic: <intgr> "Theo De Raadt just set OPENSSL_NO_HEARTBEAT on libssl for OpenBSD. Shame that the actual flag is OPENSSL_NO_HEARTBEATS, so the commit does nothing."
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic win
MisterE: any change of getting a raping from assbot?
MisterE: rating***
pankkake: https://xkcd.com/1354/ when you see it that way, you wonder how the fuck it wasn't found right away
ozbot: xkcd: Heartbleed Explanation
MisterE: damn 1 letter
mircea_popescu: pankkake answer contained in question : because everyone was too busy derping with xkcd
pankkake: too busy derping answers a lot of questions :/
mircea_popescu: oglaf > xkcd
mircea_popescu: i wonder if this'll ever be a flamewar.
pankkake: MisterE: used to be my forum sig somewhere. it's an addiction, I always try to quit but I fall in it again
pankkake: apples > oranges
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 50 @ 0.14 = 7 BTC
mircea_popescu: how so ?!
mircea_popescu: both cartoons neh ?
pankkake: I would actually argue that apples are better than oranges too
mircea_popescu: i dunno man. i really see it there. i love myself a summer evening apple, but also a winter morning orange.
MisterE: moar fiber
mircea_popescu: i couldnt switch
mircea_popescu: imo the biggest drawback of xckd is his psychotic relation to sexuality.
mircea_popescu: no penis ? seriously ?! what's this!
pankkake: MisterE: but oranges have moar vitamins, good for an early meal
mircea_popescu: also oranges much easier to share.
MisterE: hmm I do like me a fresh orange juice in the morning but lately the acid is not my friend :/
pankkake: I like the small oranges, clementines and mandarins, maybe because I'm a filthy individualist?
MisterE: in US I used to get the low acid concentraded OJ
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0524298 = 0.1049 BTC [+]
pankkake: without the fiber it must be harder to digest
mircea_popescu: true story : me in a park, on bench, with apple. big fat red juicy apple. little girl sorta shyly eyeing my apple from a safe distance. so i extend it for her to take a bite. she bites and sorta... gets stuck ? starts shaking her head and eventually pulls away ?
MisterE: my stomach is a rock so I dunno why i eat chilies by the truckload
mircea_popescu: blood gushing everywhere. and my apple... now has a tooth in it.
MisterE: most Asians cant believe I eat spicy
MisterE: oh shit
pankkake: ouch
mircea_popescu: milk tooth.
MisterE: Thai New Year is here
mircea_popescu: happy ny.
MisterE: there are 3 Ney Years celebrations here
MisterE: Thai, Chinese and Western
MisterE: any excuse for a party
adolf_fishler: what kind of apple
MisterE: but this shuts the country down like nothing else
MisterE: streets in Bangkok that are usually jam packed will be wide open
MisterE: my problem is nobody to make me food heh
MisterE: probably will go for 3 days straight pizza
cazalla: you know you can have the best of both worlds with a meyer lemon, i have a tree, best lemons in the world
cazalla: how did i misread apple v orange as lemon v orange
mike_c: tumor
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 5 @ 0.14 = 0.7 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 30 @ 0.14 = 4.2 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 3843 @ 0.00034912 = 1.3417 BTC [-] {14}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 3433 @ 0.00032912 = 1.1299 BTC [-] {5}
mircea_popescu: ;;echo $randomnick $randomnick sitting in a tree, k-i-s-s...
gribble: asciilifeform ystarnaud sitting in a tree, k-i-s-s...
rithm: recently in #bitcoin-mining: <Meldrysha> i bought a antminer u2+. but cgminer or bfg miner cant find the antminer. can anyone help me with my bad english?^^
rithm: that's a real line of text too
ozbot: A virtual socioeconomic problem pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 2 @ 0.14 = 0.28 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 14 @ 0.01079382 = 0.1511 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2700 @ 0.00096237 = 2.5984 BTC [+]
Shakespeare: just read your guild article
Shakespeare: i dont think it's one problem
Shakespeare: people play for different reasons, you cant cater to all of them
Shakespeare: but you also cant cater to none
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 55 @ 0.00567009 = 0.3119 BTC [-] {3}
Shakespeare: some people want to excel, whether achieved or not, they aspire to be a top raider
Shakespeare: some people want to have fun, be social, this requires regular opportunity to be part of an active and communicating group
Shakespeare: for example, i play dota 2
Shakespeare: i do better solo, and work on my rating that way
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 69 @ 0.0015 = 0.1035 BTC [-] {2}
Shakespeare: but ive met a few people i like
Shakespeare: and i'd rather play with them
Shakespeare: because it's more fun
Shakespeare: even if we lose, it's more fun
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 3 @ 0.14 = 0.42 BTC
Shakespeare: then, like children, some people need order
Shakespeare: leadership
Shakespeare: that lends to having an organizational structure
Shakespeare: an active GL
Shakespeare: executives below him
Shakespeare: generally all these things are offering relevance
Shakespeare: just each player seeks relevance in different ways
Shakespeare: some guilds would try to tackle catering to all these things
Shakespeare: it doesnt really work
Shakespeare: high turnover
Shakespeare: dunno if any of that helps, but those are my most immediate thoughts
mircea_popescu: Shakespeare well yes but for instance there's the institution of legatus milites
mircea_popescu: guild rank 4. he gets to organise raids, and has access to special guild vault of raids supplies.
mircea_popescu: chick in question ? didn't even know all this. tho it's on the fucking guild wall
mircea_popescu: now part of it could be bad ui, i guess. but part of it is just incomprehensible to me
Shakespeare: well is guild chat anything like here?
Shakespeare: as in, can lowly noob be directed to education?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 17 @ 0.05242998 = 0.8913 BTC [+]
Shakespeare: also why use a chick for your case study?
mircea_popescu: cause it's the most recent example, i guess.
Shakespeare: yeah but not exactly a control
mircea_popescu: some earlier dudes (whgich is when istarted suspecting i may have a problem) wanted permission to raid with some other guild. i was like fine
Shakespeare: ask them why
mircea_popescu: then they joined the other guild. im like wtf you dummies, you three go join two dudes in a lvl 4 guild ? why don't they join you in your lvl 13 guild wtf.
Shakespeare: they want their own relevance maybe
mircea_popescu: not like anyone gives a shit as far as i can tell
Shakespeare: yeah, i mean if it's just random turnover, well you cant stop that
mircea_popescu: ie, i doubt if you ask the total guild population (somehow) half know im the leader
Shakespeare: but if you think you have a problem
Shakespeare: you could research it
mircea_popescu: nono i meant about the stake
Shakespeare: i bet theyd prefer to have a leader
Shakespeare: a known one
mircea_popescu: im tempted to think that people are by now so fucking blinded by the idiocy of the us system that rather than aspire to live, they aspire to one day be the ones to give the orders.
Shakespeare: many, yes
artifexd: Maybe he/she wants to be revered. It is easier to be the big fish in a small pond.
Shakespeare: as soon as they hit any kind of obstacle or friction they will first think, well should i just own it myself?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2401 @ 0.0001 = 0.2401 BTC [-] {2}
Shakespeare: i started guilds, i rose to rank and to leader in some
Shakespeare: really being a leader in WoW fucking blows
mircea_popescu: well that's the thing, i'm not about to spend a ton of time derping in guild chat or w/e.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 2 @ 0.14 = 0.28 BTC
Shakespeare: theyd probly all hate you anyway ;)
mircea_popescu: i've have enough of my hands full being pretty much... the marketmaker there. it's fucking ridiculous with these people.
mircea_popescu: i guess if i go looking for it, the "they're just retarded" theory actually has a lot of support.
Shakespeare: yeah i wouldnt get too wrapped up in "fixing" gamer behavior
Shakespeare: just asking for misery
mircea_popescu: i mean don;'t get me wrong, im not butthurt or anything, join a 2 year old game and own the top guild on one shard within what, 4-5 months is not trivial.
mircea_popescu: but some shit gives me pause.
BingoBoingo: Eh, maybe they just got bored being in a large guild that has already "won" the game?
pLambert: HIF just released their quarterly staement, price is dropping like a rock
mircea_popescu: pLambert is hif the havelog version of the vtx thing ?
Shakespeare: its shares of Havelock
jborkl: well no trades are posting
jborkl: assbot on break again?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo hardly, that's the rub. game has tons of 12man team content, we;ve barely scratched the surface. item rarities go over 7 tiers, the best available atm is tier 4 or so.
pLambert: yeah, it is havelock, maybe the price is so low it is not showing?
Shakespeare: the obnoxiously overpriced IPO was discussed mos ago
mircea_popescu: but with a bunch of 3man lvl 3guilds that's never going to be within reach
mircea_popescu: assbot> [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2401 @ 0.0001 = 0.2401 BTC [-] {2} < i see ?
pLambert: does havelock round its numbers to 4 places?
fluffypony: they should switch to floats. I hear good things about floats.
Shakespeare: it rounds the homepage, but otherwise no
mircea_popescu: !t h hif
assbot: [HAVELOCK:HIF] 1D: 0.00010000 / 0.00027366 / 0.00039498 (10792 shares, 2.95328721 BTC), 7D: 0.00010000 / 0.00032857 / 0.00043000 (23457 shares, 7.70732156 BTC), 30D: 0.00010000 / 0.00038972 / 0.00056500 (75791 shares, 29.53749976 BTC)
mircea_popescu: well it did drop like 70%
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: That's confounding then.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59498765 BTC [+]
Shakespeare: must login to view HL report?
Shakespeare: "Dividend value is posted (albeit incredibly disappointing), but I have not had received any bitcoin to my account.
Shakespeare: Also, there is nothing in the report outlining what the "expenses" are made up of."
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo what you mean ?
mircea_popescu: Shakespeare note the "dividend value" "reports" equivalency in the person;'s head.
nubbins`: havelock, lel
bounce: dunno. could be... a lack of athmosphere maybe?
nubbins`: the best part is when they don't enumerate expenses
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59498755 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: bounce definitely.
nubbins`: "we spend 60btc per month on... things"
bounce has no idea what drives the generic gamer, though. been years since I happened to play along with a bunch of fanatical gamers. mostly starcraft on university computers.
bounce: could try and organise a few community officers or whatever you'd like to call'em, have them organise meet-ups, in-game parties, whatever.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 2 @ 0.14 = 0.28 BTC {2}
Shakespeare: lol the HIF qrtlyt report "only available to unit holders"
bounce: buy one share to see the report?
mircea_popescu: bounce i bought a guild tavern, there's tons of decorations available. the position of "guild tavern designer" is pretty much oipen for the asking.
mircea_popescu: you'd think people'd jump on the change to play dolly house on my money, but somehow... nop.
mircea_popescu: Shakespeare shockingly inept these people.
Shakespeare: Revenues
Shakespeare: Operating Expense
Shakespeare: Operating Income
Shakespeare: ฿ 216.47528979
Shakespeare: ฿ 179.47272695
Shakespeare: ฿ 37.00256284
mircea_popescu: i mean... what, they're going to keep it a secret ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59498765 BTC [+]
nubbins`: ^ for all you suckers who didn't blow your wad on HIF
Shakespeare: they show a loss for past 2mos
nubbins`: Shakespeare: 179btc spent on "???", not bad
Shakespeare: 1st Quarter Summary
Shakespeare:  User base increased 233%
Shakespeare:  Over 100,000 Unique Visitors to our site
Shakespeare:  Average Visitor Duration 7:08
Shakespeare:  7 New Funds Representing 13 Different Companies were added
Shakespeare:  Over ฿25,000 were traded
Shakespeare:  Support/FAQ web platform was successfully lunched
nubbins`: "average visitor duration" -- y'know, something that people give a fuck about :D
bounce: not the first time I hear someone complain that people don't pick up on this, and I'm probably extra double guilty, but from this armchair... er, well, it'll do, it's like, need a working culture of enthousiasm and picking up on things for people to do that. not everyone is enthousiastic from the get-go, but people'll pick up on it if the other sheep are doing it too, or if that's just the thing you do.
bounce: s/guilty/& too/
mircea_popescu: Shakespeare dude you ever heard of pastebin ?
Shakespeare: We were able to build the infrastructure for companies to
Shakespeare: raise capital through the Bitcoin protocol. Using the protocol first and foremost for what it was intended for: as a payment
Shakespeare: gateway. Individuals from all over the globe were able to participate directly in the new Funds that we offered.
Shakespeare: Over the past few months we received countless applications for the Bitcoin Venture Capital Fund. Going over countless
Shakespeare: business plans and financial projections, we can see the way Bitcoin is paving the way for a whole new economy. We are
Shakespeare: excited for the future of our company and the way we are able to bring those companies into the global market place.
Shakespeare: Our team is working harder than ever to bring the users of our platform a diversified choice of Funds to choose from when
Shakespeare: they are putting their hard earned Bitcoins to work. We look forward to continue to serve our customers and the companies
Shakespeare: we partner with to the best of our abilities.
Shakespeare: Sincerely,
Shakespeare: The Havelock Investments Team
thestringpuller: oh no wall of text on irc
akstunt600: hmm pastebin is nice
bounce: apparently the log will have to do for a pastebin too. amazing versatility.
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
thestringpuller: ;;google site:bitbet.us Then there was one
mircea_popescu: so danny works for havelock now ?
thestringpuller: looks more appealing now :D
Shakespeare: if you can deal with idiot pollution like minersdidit, i'm allowed a wall of text here and there
jurov: <MisterE> any change of getting a raping from assbot? << NOPE. I TRIED.
mike_c: I am not getting a clear picture of the potential customer issues the MPEx rfc is aiming to fix. Perhaps I am being thick.
bounce: who said I can deal with that? *eyes glaze over, tune out, scroll by*
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 10 @ 0.14 = 1.4 BTC
ozbot: HIFQuarterly Results 1Q2014.pdf - Google Drive
akstunt600: hahhahah Shakespeare
akstunt600: good point
mircea_popescu: mike_c me either ;/
mike_c: is the goal to try to have some kind of proof in the case where a customer and mpex disagree on whether an order was accepted? or is is just to give the customer more tools to manage their orders.
jurov: mike_c: what you're on about?
ozbot: MPEx.RFC.1 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC
mircea_popescu: mike_c the later, imo.
jurov: oh the joy *reads on*
mircea_popescu: this thing with the order id keeps getting brought up for some reason
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC
mike_c: ok. then i still agree with my comment about mpex accepting the count and updating.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19550 @ 0.00096231 = 18.8132 BTC [-] {3}
jurov: you already had a dicsussion about that? my grep fu fails me
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 2 @ 0.14 = 0.28 BTC
mike_c: just in the blog comments
mircea_popescu: yeah and ideally keep the discussion in comments
mircea_popescu: it'll get unfollowable otherwise
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 3.15062784 BTC to 7`668 shares, 41088 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 307 @ 0.00072511 = 0.2226 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] [PAID] 0.63536437 BTC to 1`717`201 shares, 37 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 6 @ 0.14 = 0.84 BTC {2}
MisterE: jurov: I've had assbot on ignore since I got here so I might have already had one without knowing :)
MisterE: that dude so gets lighted a lot :)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 399 @ 0.00072511 = 0.2893 BTC [-] {2}
akstunt600: wish i had 30btc, i want some dividends
akstunt600: oh well, nobody expects the spanish Inquisition
MisterE: Goya's Ghosts
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 352 @ 0.00072503 = 0.2552 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 5 @ 0.14 = 0.7 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 4 @ 0.14 = 0.56 BTC
mircea_popescu: akstunt600 what do you need 30 btc for ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I was probably on about some game thing. I had to address the Carbon Monoxide detector.
BingoBoingo: Thing was beeping every couple minutes to alert that it had reached its end of life.
Azelphur: mircea_popescu: you won't believe this :x, yesterday some guy got in contact with me wanting to start a bitcoin meetup for my area, I go meet him and he tells me he has something from butterfly labs and that he plugged the US power supply into our UK sockets and broke it, so it has been sitting in the box since, didn't know which model it was or whatever, so I agree to go take a look
Azelphur: turns out, he has had a SC Single sitting in a box since November, dude burned so much money >.<
mircea_popescu: Azelphur i saw in logs yest lol
Azelphur: ah hehe
benkay: fluffypony: how does a maid break an iron? defective maids or defective irons?
Azelphur: I still can't believe that haha, how could someone end up with one of those...and then just leave it in a box
Azelphur: my brain is still full of wat
bounce: in soviet russia, iron maiden break you!
Shakespeare: it's the annual IPO festival in Jacksonville this week
ozbot: Startups Compete For Crowdfunding Dollars In Person At The One Spark Festival - Forbes
BingoBoingo: benkay: Probably a confusion of ideas. The maid should have been a dockworker.
Shakespeare: this year, they didnt use a bomb for the logo
mircea_popescu: Azelphur because no clue.]
Azelphur: indeed
mircea_popescu: Shakespeare then they raise a barn ?
artifexd: Shakespeare: Should I go?
Shakespeare: it's not bad really
Shakespeare: best thing Jax has to offer
Shakespeare: though the next one will be in Berlin
Shakespeare: well, i suppose the port is actually the best thing jax has
Shakespeare: but yknow
artifexd: I'm partial to the beach
Shakespeare: never been to the one in jax
Shakespeare: there's one closer to me
artifexd: Nice, uh, scenery.
Shakespeare: i know a few people fundraising at onespark, it's kinda like a shark tank expo
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.05252358 = 1.0505 BTC [+] {6}
akstunt600: mircea_popescu, Iwas looking at mpex
mircea_popescu: youy know you can just get a broker
mircea_popescu: jurov dude you gotta advertise that thing, nobody knows about it!
Shakespeare: and you didnt turn to stone?
akstunt600: I saw that but who is legitimate?
Azelphur: akstunt600: I could do it for you if you wanted
MisterE: for sure jurov
jurov: i'll make an ads saying "coinbr is the legitimate broker" or what?
akstunt600: I guess yeah multisig solves these probems with trust too
akstunt600: Thanks for the offer Azelphur
akstunt600: I will consider
Azelphur: ;;bcauth Azelphur
gribble: Request successful for user Azelphur, hostmask Azelphur!~Azelphur@azelphur.com. Your challenge string is: freenode:#bitcoin-otc:0358cd1b0ce056183b46488845777c93086083fa52335cf0dc273602
mircea_popescu: jurov "don't wanna pay 30 btc ? use coinbr!"
mircea_popescu: it even rhymes
Azelphur: ;;bcverify HOsLCI2eb6NmGVWwfheeZeABeTD+nIBOEkIRrG460+PG6eIxdTmPOigg1emi3R3I0//oJZ3ztMSV4jJs+Pa35Bc=
gribble: You are now authenticated for user 'Azelphur' with address 144LmVdmgLy2rc9dGMhJfqb4fUmGWMMk9M
Azelphur: ;;ratingsystem getrating azelphur
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask Azelphur!~Azelphur@azelphur.com . User Azelphur, rated since Mon Apr 9 00:11:58 2012. Cumulative rating 232, from 162 total ratings. Received ratings: 150 positive, 12 negative. Sent ratings: 150 positive, 15 negative. Details: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Azelphur
Azelphur: akstunt600: ^ fyi
jurov: ;;later tell akstunt600 where did you learned abut mpex?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
jurov: he's gone
Azelphur: jurov: nope, still here, he rejoined :P
akstunt600: thanks Azelphur
akstunt600: im checking it out now
jurov: akstunt600 i was asking to get ideas where to advertise
pLambert: <mircea_popescu> jurov "don't wanna pay 30 btc ? use coinbr!" [12:17] <mircea_popescu> it even rhymes <<< What they hell, how is that even close to a rhyme?
akstunt600: jurov, I was invited here by [\\\]
mircea_popescu: it's dyslexhrymia.
akstunt600: and saw the bot and people mention mpex
pLambert: I don't even see what you thought might rhyme?
akstunt600: read it and loved mircea_popescu attitude
akstunt600: sounds like me
mircea_popescu: lol where you from ?
akstunt600: Philadelphia
jurov: so basically i should bribe assbot to spam about coinbr. >:D
akstunt600: hahahh jurov yes
jurov: instead of these quotes.. kakobrekla, you'ere up to it?
akstunt600: I found coinbr while mucking about too
pLambert: I have a reference link to coinbr in my bitcointalk sig, but I don't think anybody ever clicks on those
akstunt600: but was getting sleepy llast night
jurov: kakobrekla in fact i can sell assbot's ad slots for you, so that you don't have to care about it
kakobrekla: morning
kakobrekla: where are these ad slots you speak of
jurov: !t show me ad instead of lame quote
assbot: I prepared your canoe with cedar boughs.
mircea_popescu: lmao assbot ads
kakobrekla: well, the quotes carry great educational value.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla : you could sell contextual ads. replace the dumbass "amazing company" so that whenever someone says 30 btc assbot says "use coinbr!"
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
pLambert: that is an amazing idea
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
kakobrekla: yeah but im not taking the amazing out
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
TomServo: kakobrekla: seems histographs are broken on bitbet
kakobrekla: now what
Shakespeare: why so attachec to the amzing company kako?
kakobrekla: i dunno, maybe you are too fresh to know that
Shakespeare: <--- tat
kakobrekla: defo too fresh.
Shakespeare: lol i was here before you made it!
mircea_popescu: amazing before
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
thestringpuller: mos def too fresh and too amazing
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
pLambert: are there any other automated brokers besides Coinbr for MPEx?
Shakespeare: Cloudflare now saying they cant figure out how to get heartbleed to bleed keys
MisterE: cloudfare has 2-faces
the20year: are there any other meetups similar to onespark?
Shakespeare: its not a meetup, but i think SXSW has similarities
Shakespeare: and i know silicon valley does pitch events
mircea_popescu: pLambert not afaik. couldn't hurt anything to have more i guess.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 2 @ 0.14 = 0.28 BTC
pLambert: heh, I will get right on writing one. How hard can it be? ;)
jurov cackles
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC
Shakespeare: i hear BTCT is selling its code
Shakespeare: great place to start!
pLambert: well, at least they had email updates when trades execute, unlike CoinBR
Azelphur: pLambert: be careful of jail
pLambert: jail?
Shakespeare: ;;ud jail
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=jail | Upload a picture of jail. 2. jail. being confined to a certain area that usually smells like the combo of piss, shit, feet, ass, nuts, body odor, lysol, and mildew for a ...
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: jail
the20year: oh boy, $1m in crowdfunding
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03425 = 0.137 BTC [+] {3}
rithm: hashtag amaze
rithm: if i had a laser on the moon, i'd hold the world hostage for a million
MisterE: used to be geekniks
ozbot: BitBet - Bitcoin to drop under $300 before June
benkay: where's my double-digit and single digit bets, eh?
jurov delivered withering response to mpex rfc.
jurov: though, i must admit that it could be good way to protect myself
jurov: when i;m under threat of rectothermals, i can just vaporize all coinbr holdings :D
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 16 @ 0.0075 = 0.12 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.052987 = 0.159 BTC [+]
MisterE: think we'll see 300 before June eh?
mircea_popescu: lol jurov singlehandedly sunk the first rfc in bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: I HOPE YOU ARE HAPPY WITH YOURSELF NAO
jurov: yup
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.05184778 = 0.1037 BTC [-]
Shakespeare: lucky to have him!
jurov: but now the enemy knows i have push papers buried somewhere D:
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 214 @ 0.000725 = 0.1552 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC
jurov: no cardano will help mah
mircea_popescu: are they in your butt ?
jurov: ow, inconvenient
asciilifeform: ;;google french anal safe
gribble: Anal sex - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anal_sex>; Kinky but safe French teen casting | Redtube Free Teens Porn ...: <http://www.redtube.com/64869>; Tackling the alcohol issue in france Anal fissures; first do no harm: <http://bjgp.org/content/64/618/16.2.full.pdf>
mircea_popescu: This watch was on your daddy's wrist when he was shot down over Hanoi. He was captured, put in a Vietnamese prison camp. He knew that if the gooks ever saw the watch, it'd be confiscated and taken away. The way your Dad looked at it, this watch was your birthright. He'd be damned if any slope's gonna put their greasy, yellow hands on his boy's birthright, so he hid it in one place he knew he could hide something - his
mircea_popescu: ass. Five long years he wore this watch up his ass. Then, he died of dysentery. He give me the watch. I hid this uncomfortable hunk of metal up my ass two years. Then, after seven years, I was sent home to my family. Now, little man, I give the watch to you.
MisterE: ^ Christopher Walken nails that
mircea_popescu: he's a kickass actor that guy
MisterE: such a fantastic movie
MisterE: yep
MisterE: Suicide Kings is another great role for him
mircea_popescu: hes even better in true romance imo
mircea_popescu: yeah but that movie suffered from a meh premise.
mircea_popescu: ;;google trilema suicide kings
gribble: Februarie 2013 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2013/02>; Wikipedia : the special olympics for the mentally retarded ... - Trilema: <http://trilema.com/wikipedia-the-special-olympics-for-the-mentally-retarded>; Trilematograf pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/category/trilematograf/>
MisterE: oh gosh yea that's great
TomServo: Brad Pitt was great in True Romance too, haha
MisterE: yep bad script but good acting from Walken and the fishboots actor ohh wtf his name
MisterE: Denis Leary, one of the best scenes in film: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWKrncseUw8
MisterE: Catch Me If You Can
MisterE: Deer Hunter was masterpiece
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.05254321 = 0.4203 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.05254321 = 0.4203 BTC [+]
ozbot: 'weev' Conviction Vacated - Slashdot
BingoBoingo: Weev is free again
ozbot: 'weev' Conviction Vacated - Slashdot
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 2 @ 0.14 = 0.28 BTC
benkay: see also ibm and teh jooz: http://pcrcollective.org/?p=6994
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16000 @ 0.00096454 = 15.4326 BTC [+] {3}
thestringpuller: benkay: you still around?
benkay: yup
mircea_popescu: TomServo perhaps his only good role. that's what the man was born to play.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo dude, weren't they supposed to extradite me ? this is a step in the wrong direction!
mircea_popescu: what will the forum say!
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: WHo knows? I mean apparently appelate courts care about piddly shit like "venue"
benkay: thestringpuller: ??
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 2 @ 0.14 = 0.28 BTC
asciilifeform: what'd this one do ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: scraped a public web page and embarassed AT&T
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you recall, weev, althauser ?
Mats_cd03: is a twat
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: not sure if this is too personal a question, but were you born and raised in Romania? follow on question if yes - to what do you attribute your grasp of the English language, if it is not your home language?
Mats_cd03: 12:56 — jurov delivered withering response to mpex rfc.
Mats_cd03: is this a blog post?
cryptolemming: Hi, anyone have info about http://www.bitcoininsanity.com/ ?
mircea_popescu: fluffypony yes. and i speak a number of languages, which i attribute to women.
jurov: Mats_cd03: no just a comment on trilema
mircea_popescu: almost as good as a blogpost...
fluffypony: cryptolemming: private domain registration and they're letting you buy Bitcoin with an easily reversible payment method?
fluffypony: bankrupt in 3......2.......1......
cryptolemming: sure,same preconceptions, just wondering if anyone has more in-depth info
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10400 @ 0.00096471 = 10.033 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: cryptolemming these aren't "preconceptions".
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0475 = 0.1425 BTC [+]
danielpbarron: cryptolemming: that's therealNano 's site
mircea_popescu: haha cool guy.
mircea_popescu: but not me.
fluffypony: yeah he looks nothing like you, just thought it was a funny coincidence
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron who's therealnano
cryptolemming: well, I mean, certainly a preconceived idea? as they aren't bankrupt or there is no real indication to assume they may be besides a reasonable assumption of what may occur?
danielpbarron: mircea_popescu: a #bitcoin-otc user
cryptolemming: feel free to insert what you thin is a more accurate word though, was still wondering if anyone had knowledge about the site and its owner
mircea_popescu: cryptolemming apparently you got a nick, you can pm him directly.
danielpbarron: cryptolemming: BCB said he has trusted the that site's owner with about 2 BTC
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust therealnano
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user therealnano: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 3 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=therealnano | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=therealnano | Rated since: Wed Jul 24 22:26:05 2013
mircea_popescu: apparently a coupla people i know trust him somewhat.
danielpbarron: ya, and I got some money on the line with him :/
cryptolemming: pming the owner will give me the owners opinions...trust certainly helps somewhat, thank you
fluffypony: cryptolemming: with a private domain registration, no. I'm sure someone can claim it's their site, but how can we know?
cryptolemming: part of the reason why I was asking here
thestringpuller: fluffypony: gpg verification...
cryptolemming: to see if anyone actually had any inf
mircea_popescu: cryptolemming you can start by verifying if ineed the person registered in the wot runs that site.
fluffypony: thestringpuller: yes, I meant without him opting in to trust :)
cryptolemming: yup, thanks
cryptolemming: many ppl here know many ppl I do not, felt like it couldnt hurt to ask, pardon the interruption then
fluffypony: cryptolemming: not at all, no interruption, it's just that it's not really within the scope of #bitcoin-assets :)
cryptolemming: then I don't know the scope of bitcoin-assets
mircea_popescu: neither does he :D
fluffypony: nobody knows
cryptolemming: my impression was that it would be relevant place to ask, if not the best?
fluffypony: except the nose
fluffypony: the nose knows
danielpbarron: cryptolemming: #bitcoin-otc is probably the best place to ask
fluffypony: or #dogecoin
cryptolemming: ponies and doggies, got it.
cryptolemming: i'll throw it out there, what is the scope of bitcoin-assets then if someone wouldnt mind answering
cryptolemming: so I know for next time
mircea_popescu: cryptolemming you can ask whatever the hell
cryptolemming: sounds inviting :)
cryptolemming: ok cool
mircea_popescu: i don't even remember wat the furthers out queston on record was,
mircea_popescu: but probably something i came up with
JorgePasada: damn, kinda hoped the price was going to stay down a couple more days
benkay: cryptography, quantum computing, feminism, racism, eugenics, communism, socialism, capitalism, stochastic calculus, multivariate calculus, rockets, random numbers, state compromise of crypto toolchain...
benkay: modern natural philosophy.
mircea_popescu: i think at some point we calculated the total mileage of stale cunt in the world...
benkay: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 426.0, Best ask: 426.89, Bid-ask spread: 0.89000, Last trade: 428.0, 24 hour volume: 54066.65501627, 24 hour low: 339.79, 24 hour high: 432.22, 24 hour vwap: 387.034644005
asciilifeform: fermi would smile
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ahgaga i was thinking the same!
cryptolemming: is that a gribble command?
cryptolemming: I do read trilema fluffy thank you
mircea_popescu: "no no, questi sono piccoli!"
mircea_popescu: yes cryptolemming
benkay: me too, JorgePasada
JorgePasada: benkay: I'll be at the meetup on Tues, you be there?
benkay: ofc
rithm wouldn't admit to reading trilema
mircea_popescu: why not ?!
JorgePasada: Sweet!
rithm is all out of pokemon tokens to read blawg
cryptolemming: ppl actually buy tokens?
rithm: i need moar tokens
cryptolemming: *cough, rithm stop impersonating me and making statements
mircea_popescu: well if they don't i have no idea where this 200 btc came from
BingoBoingo: cryptolemming: Yeah, he usually writes moar than five things a week
cryptolemming: good for you mircea
rithm: should i just use tor and proxies
rithm: to defaet the token system
mircea_popescu: why buy nsa tokens ?
BingoBoingo: Also have to look through the backissues to ogle the centerfolds
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu might be keeping tor net alive single-handedly...
rithm: seems legit
rithm: i knew people used tor for _some_ reason asciilifeform
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Or MP is helping the NSA identify the cheap bastards
asciilifeform: the other nice thing about tor is that the most ragged hobo can be nsa
asciilifeform: (how? exercise for alert reader.)
rithm: mircea *MIGHT* be a CIA plant
rithm: i'm not saying he isn't
asciilifeform: ;;google the man who was thursday
gribble: The Man Who Was Thursday - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Man_Who_Was_Thursday>; The Man Who Was Thursday: Gilbert K. Chesterton ... - Amazon.com: <http://www.amazon.com/The-Man-Who-Was-Thursday/dp/1603863303>; The Man Who Was Thursday: A Nightmare by G. K. Chesterton ...: <http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/1695>
mircea_popescu: rithm alternatively, cia may be mp.
mircea_popescu: god knows everyone else is...
rithm: sorry ONI
rithm: that's navy intel
rithm: railguns and shit
mircea_popescu: so now : people in assbot's wot (l1 or 2) can get voice by id'ing with gribble
mircea_popescu: and once they do, they can also give voice to random noobs, like
mircea_popescu: !up rithm
assbot: Voicing rithm for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: the esteemed wao-ender TomServo jborkl and keonne are kindly asked to get into the wot so they may be seen by assbot
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell decimation same goes to you!
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell neil same goes to you!
mircea_popescu: !up gribble
assbot: Voicing gribble for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: shit you forgot to add gribs kako
rithm: hi
rithm: !up _aeon
assbot: Can't do that.
rithm: fuuuuu asbot
mircea_popescu: that is only for cool ppls :D
rithm: ;;deauth
gribble: Error: "deauth" is not a valid command.
rithm: ;;unauth
gribble: Your GPG session has been terminated.
kakobrekla: yea need to do something about gribble
mircea_popescu: wanna bet on who ids next ?
rithm: !up _aeon
assbot: Can't do that.
rithm: ;;gettrust assbot
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask test40404040!59d42931@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.212.41.49. CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Trust relationship from user jcpham to user assbot: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=jcpham&dest=assbot | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=assbot | Rated since: Fri Apr 11 02:04:55 2014
rithm: bloweth me
kakobrekla: ok people are not getting it
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: perhaps good idea - but now the hobos will go straight to your mail
kakobrekla: step 1: ident with gribble
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's ok, i dun read it anwyay
kakobrekla: step 2: pm assbot "!up"
kakobrekla: step 3: profit
asciilifeform: instead of being publicly flayed here
rithm: nope fuck it i gave up already
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well... !up hobo you know ?
rithm: time for lunch
mircea_popescu: i suspect BingoBoingo will make a fortune in poopiesharpers from selling !up services.
benkay: ;;ident
gribble: Nick 'benkay', with hostmask 'benkay!~user@71-214-87-217.ptld.qwest.net', is identified as user 'benkay', with GPG key id 39F274AFBC7ACAC7, key fingerprint E908FB088F5FD6BB3581460F39F274AFBC7ACAC7, and bitcoin address None
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Everyone has got to have their hustle
mircea_popescu: !up yours
assbot: Voicing yours for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: that may be a problem kakobrekla
kakobrekla: !up general_concern
assbot: Voicing general_concern for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: !up _POST['user'] = "1' OR 1 LIMIT 1
assbot: Voicing _POST['user'] for 30 minutes.
kakobrekla: how is it a problem
mircea_popescu: i guess not rly.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.05226397 = 0.1045 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: you herp derp too much with it
kakobrekla: and you get
kakobrekla: !down mircea_popescu
assbot: Can't do that.
mircea_popescu: assbot goes down on me ?!
kakobrekla: apparently he refuses.
mircea_popescu: i couldn't take it anyway man, third time today
mircea_popescu: my penis is half digested by all the saliva
rithm: yeah i tried !down mircea_popescu first too
rithm: no workie
BingoBoingo: !up The_Butt
assbot: Voicing The_Butt for 30 minutes.
benkay: this'll change the dynamic somewhat.
kakobrekla: !down rithm
kakobrekla: yea it works like it should
BingoBoingo: !down Periscope
assbot: Can't do that.
mircea_popescu: lol poor guy
mircea_popescu: !up rithm
assbot: Voicing rithm for 30 minutes.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 914 @ 0.00072305 = 0.6609 BTC [-] {3}
benkay: !down rithm
benkay: excellent.
benkay: !up ri
assbot: Voicing ri for 30 minutes.
kakobrekla: you can only down the ones that have been upped
mircea_popescu: !up rithm
assbot: Voicing rithm for 30 minutes.
rithm: it doesn't work anyways
benkay: !up rithm
assbot: Voicing rithm for 30 minutes.
rithm: i'm guessing because the nick differs
rithm: or assbot has bullshit trust
mircea_popescu: well i honestly do declare this makes -assets much closer to my dreamz.
benkay: !up the-rigging-boys
assbot: Voicing the-rigging-boys for 30 minutes.
kakobrekla: yeah wot nick must be irc nick
benkay: ;;gettrust assbot
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user assbot: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=assbot | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=assbot | Rated since: Fri Apr 11 02:04:55 2014
rithm: busted
BingoBoingo: assbot finally gets revenge on all those who put it on ignore
mircea_popescu: !up nanotube check out the cool shit kako did with bots!
assbot: Voicing nanotube for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: ;;rate assbot 10 !up Periscope
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 10 for user assbot has been recorded.
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu so far its worse than before.
benkay: we have a new toy now kakobrekla
benkay: wheeeeeee
benkay: !down benkay
assbot: Can't do that.
mircea_popescu: so, anyone think this is a bad idea ?
benkay: !up benkay
assbot: Voicing benkay for 30 minutes.
benkay: huh does that expire?
benkay: !down benkay
assbot: Can't do that.
kakobrekla: lets see!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: depends where the hobos now go.
rithm: probably the best/worst idea ever
mircea_popescu: !down benkay
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla that's maybe a bit much
kakobrekla: ne upped himself
kakobrekla: became vounerable
kakobrekla: to !down attack
mircea_popescu: hahahaha splendid
mircea_popescu: !down benkay
assbot: Can't do that.
mircea_popescu: yay. splendid indeed.
mircea_popescu: we have a built in consensus building mechanism now.
mircea_popescu: whoever wants it can just up himself.
benkay: why would one subject oneself to that once in assbot's wot?
mircea_popescu: this is one of those rare cases where the execution ensmartifies the design
asciilifeform: what's next? 'lasers' command takes <target> ?
mircea_popescu: benkay maybe to see if there's a consensus on a given topic ?
benkay: so hi everyone
benkay: !up benkay
assbot: Voicing benkay for 30 minutes.
benkay: just down me if you think im tardifying the chan plz
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, as gps coords
mircea_popescu: benkay pretty much something like that.
benkay: this is going to make people hammer their gpg toolchains out
benkay: some are indubitably going to break their own security
BingoBoingo: I'm glad I waited on finishing the IRC how to.
asciilifeform: last i checked gpg didn't wear out from use.
mircea_popescu: benkay -otc was +m in the old days too.
mircea_popescu: and it worked splendidly well.
benkay: ;;later tell bitcoinpete things have changed around here. ident with gribble and then !up yourself with assbot
gribble: The operation succeeded.
benkay: asciilifeform: i'm talking about unforced errors. shortcuts put in to 'make life easier'.
asciilifeform: though i still need to do a robotic stress cycle test on the cardano trigger at some point.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you writing it up ?
benkay: !t h rent
assbot: [HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00750000 / 0.0075 / 0.00750000 (505 shares, 3.78750000 BTC), 7D: 0.00750000 / 0.0075 / 0.00750000 (2573 shares, 19.29750000 BTC), 30D: 0.00510111 / 0.00703072 / 0.00750000 (27353 shares, 192.31117008 BTC)
asciilifeform: (don't be sad, it's replaceable!)
mircea_popescu: !down assbot
assbot: Can't do that.
benkay: thieves i tell ya
benkay: !up assbot
assbot: Can't do that.
benkay: !up mircea_popescu
assbot: Can't do that.
benkay: only up oneself?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6650 @ 0.00096166 = 6.395 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC
benkay: !up benkay
assbot: Can't do that.
mircea_popescu: ;;echo !up
gribble: !up
assbot: Need a nickname.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: In bits and pieces. Playing with a few different IRC clients as some research, but I'll probably shit it out client agnostic anyways.
benkay: ;;echo !down gribble
gribble: !down gribble
assbot: Can't do that.
mircea_popescu: cause gribs has no autoritah.
benkay: could we get usernames in assbot responses?
benkay: handles nicks whatever
benkay: !up benkay
assbot: Can't do that.
mircea_popescu: hello and welcome pankkake
benkay: !down benkay
assbot: Can't do that.
kakobrekla: ok gonna do some fixes
benkay: did the consensus mechanism not take?
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla don't fix the down vuln thing it's splendid
pankkake: hello, I'm not sure how I feel about that
mircea_popescu: pankkake well if you feel it sucks do tell.
pankkake: does assbot also allow n+1s? i.e. I trust The_Butt, can The_Butt !up itself?
benkay: you can !up The_Butt
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 7 @ 0.01793998 = 0.1256 BTC [+] {2}
pankkake: true. I just haven't found any influx of annoying people making +m worth it
pankkake: !up davout
assbot: Voicing davout for 30 minutes.
kakobrekla: pankkake you need level 2 from assbot
pankkake: I see, so it can work
benkay: incentivizing wot usage
benkay: tie it into all the things
mircea_popescu: yeah what b said.
mircea_popescu: all it takes is for someone in assbot's primary trust to wot someone, he's now self-uping
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 20 @ 0.0179789 = 0.3596 BTC [+] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 21 @ 0.00669999 = 0.1407 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: So... basically the price of buttcoins has dropped to 0 BTC...
BingoBoingo: Obama might actually have to sodomize himself if he shows up here and wants to talk.
benkay: pankkake: it's an augmented +m
davout: ohai
Blazedout419: so just msg bot and you get a voice?
Blazedout419: what point does this serve?
kakobrekla: or pay BingoBoingo
Blazedout419: seems silly to set +m if it is that easy to get a voice ;D
davout: what's with the voice thing?
Blazedout419: this is my first time in this chan at that!
kakobrekla: its an assperiment
benkay: ;;gettrust Blazedout419
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask Blazedout419!~Rogue@76-243-42-60.lightspeed.cntmoh.sbcglobal.net. Trust relationship from user benkay to user Blazedout419: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 3 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=Blazedout419 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Blazedout419 | Rated since: Sat May 18 17:05:13 2013
Blazedout419: ;;ratingsystem getrating Blazedout419
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask Blazedout419!~Rogue@76-243-42-60.lightspeed.cntmoh.sbcglobal.net . User Blazedout419, rated since Sat May 18 17:05:13 2013. Cumulative rating 253, from 115 total ratings. Received ratings: 115 positive, 0 negative. Sent ratings: 121 positive, 3 negative. Details: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Blazedout419
benkay: it's only easy for you 'cause you're deep in the wot, Blazedout419
Blazedout419: I get it
Blazedout419: didnt realize gribble was involved
pankkake: I updated my ignores, now /ignore -channels #bitcoin-assets -pattern HAVELOCK assbot
kakobrekla: ;;this universe theinternets bitcoinotc wot can i has rating of ze Blazedout419
gribble: Error: "this" is not a valid command.
kakobrekla: lol pankkake
pankkake: deep in the wot, sounds dirty
Blazedout419: feels dirty too
benkay: "game starts at maxlvl"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 46.09389664 BTC to 80`674 shares, 57136 satoshi per share
mircea_popescu: Blazedout419 it seems perfect in that' it's easy for the right people.
Blazedout419: fair enough
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.046 = 0.138 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: but you know, i figure it'd take some time for this to be digested and so we see if it actually is a good idea
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 6 @ 0.01799242 = 0.108 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: I swear I won't exploit journalists who want voice to discuss things... too much...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 663 @ 0.00017301 = 0.1147 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.0529871 = 0.4239 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: i guess we get to see how power corrupts
BingoBoingo: !up ozbot
assbot: Voicing ozbot for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: !up jurov
assbot: Voicing jurov for 30 minutes.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 4 @ 0.14 = 0.56 BTC
jurov: always at your service with some impertinent quip ready!
BingoBoingo: robwhiz22: If you want voice ur gonna have to do butt stuff
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.05298633 = 0.159 BTC [-] {2}
jurov: ;;gpg everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:126d5a90e3e8f29b46f702e6f9322fc1620560c9fc57be6b2e9b5e84
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0529858 = 0.106 BTC [-]
jurov: now this does not work too?
kakobrekla: it works
kakobrekla: gribble just cant say shit
jurov: oh it did work
kakobrekla: ill add exceptions
jurov: !up
assbot: Need a nickname.
mircea_popescu: not sure ozbot deserves one. his baits suck :D
nubbins`: ;;aol i guess we get to see how power corrupts
nubbins`: oh blah
kakobrekla: "!up" is for private msg, "!up <nick>" is for chan
nubbins`: !up gribble
assbot: Voicing gribble for 30 minutes.
kakobrekla: cant have it any other way
nubbins`: ;;aol i guess we get to see how power corrupts
gribble: i guess we get 2 see how power corrupts:-D:-D:-D
nubbins`: too much chatting going on in here, or what? ;D
BingoBoingo: <robwhiz22> wants voice. Do we bid and see who wants to sell out to the spammzor the cheapest? I'll sit this one out.
asciilifeform: mr. brokenrecord should pay.
nubbins`: was robwhiz22 the guy speaking in riddles about selling cardano flaws?
asciilifeform: nubbins`: read the pastebin?
nubbins`: i must've missed it. he actually coughed something up?
asciilifeform: nubbins`: that crap was him, one cycle of sockmuppetry ago.
pankkake: ;;view
gribble: #20297 Fri Apr 11 15:17:22 2014 pankkake SELL 1.0 Sennheiser HD 580 Precision @ 0.32227 BTC (Used, tested, new pads #eu)
pankkake: let's see if it works
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0529874 = 0.106 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: why you selling those
pankkake: I have better headphones
kakobrekla: which ones
pankkake: HD 650
asciilifeform: anyone who is curious what mr. spam wants should put on gas mask and read the turd.
asciilifeform: it isn't hard to figure out.
kakobrekla: ninja is robwhiz?
asciilifeform: loudly and abundantly
nubbins`: stopped reading halfway through
nubbins`: didn't think ninjashogun was robwhiz22 tho, ninjashogun has been derping here for ages
asciilifeform: it's him. he even confesses to preparing a new muppet in the end.
nubbins`: !up robwhiz22
assbot: Voicing robwhiz22 for 30 minutes.
nubbins`: oh, heh.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.0529874 = 0.7948 BTC [+]
nubbins`: well, let's see what happens
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: How much did you sell out for?
nubbins`: BingoBoingo 0 satoshis
nubbins`: what can i say, i'm a lefty
jurov: <robwhiz22> Hi. How does one get voice in channel, please? I would like to follow up with Mircea Popescu on a proposal I sent him via email, to which he invited me to channel.
jurov: i asked him to pay 5btc first
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: I know you are an artist, but... that cheap?
jurov: you can ask more
benkay: the sweet sweet silence
kakobrekla: nubbins` how much for a buttcoin
nubbins`: i don't have any of those ;(
kakobrekla: ask your wifey
BingoBoingo: !up SatoshiJack
assbot: Voicing SatoshiJack for 30 minutes.
benkay: robwhiz22: the cost of admission is a sharpie in the pooper
BingoBoingo: SatoshiJack: Is ATC gambling a thing yet?
nubbins`: BingoBoingo: i'm not an artist ;D
kakobrekla: but still cheap nubbins`
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 20 @ 0.03640958 = 0.7282 BTC [+] {7}
jurov: 30minutes voice is not admission
benkay: entry? admission?
pankkake: rear entry
SatoshiJack: Getting there --- will be taking atc prob. by end of weekend..but you can play for free now :) and test the game play :)
nubbins`: 30m voice is a sneak preview
nubbins`: ^ aaaaaaand he blew it
nubbins`: just as well he didn't pay 5btc
benkay: well hey now let's give the man a chance
nubbins`: <robwhiz22> I don't really have anything public to discuss.
benkay: what is this atc game?
nubbins` facepalms
BingoBoingo: benkay: I'm not sure which is why I voiced him
kakobrekla: so why the voice then ?
SatoshiJack: SJ -- will be taking atc --- been mining like hell to get a little bank going --- working on the backend support for it -- don't have all the function of blockchain.info over @ blockr...
BingoBoingo: SatoshiJack: Well you don't want to leverage a block explorer too much. I mean how often has Blockchain.info been down this month
kakobrekla: block has everything you need to process atc shit
kakobrekla: blockr
SatoshiJack: True that --- we were using some of the api to push some transactions -- but for many coins -- we will have to host a daemon as well -- for cold wallet etc...
SatoshiJack: none the less -- we are supporting it and working out all the details as we can --- but any play we can get at the tables and suggestions on game play etc is greatly appreciated!
benkay: so uh rip out those avatars
jurov: just got an email from a coinbr user "i bought Bitcoin Hedge Fund on BitcoinBourse and want to list it on coinbr"
jurov: i was like god save us
BingoBoingo: I wonder if dotcoin would put a whole pumpkin up his pooper for voice?
SatoshiJack: LOL everyone hates the avatars :)
BingoBoingo: Just make an ncurses type interface. Everyone loves that
bounce: verily, a maze
SatoshiJack: I'm on it -- and with you -- code monkeys know not pretty ui...
BingoBoingo: www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/04/11/an-opportunity-for-readers/
bounce: so, uhm. how about a way to up and down the fence as needed, too?
BingoBoingo: Less graphics, moar text
ThickAsThieves: <+mircea_popescu> so, anyone think this is a bad idea ? /// I'm conflicted
ThickAsThieves: what's the purpose exactly?
ThickAsThieves: to make sure we get no new blood?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.035 = 0.105 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4850 @ 0.00096166 = 4.6641 BTC [-]
nubbins`: if not the purpose, certainly the result
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: To make sure new blood doesn't have GRIDS
ThickAsThieves: i'm playing devil's advocate here
nubbins`: ;;ud grids
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=grids | Original medical acronym for AIDS. Stood for gay related immune disorder. Not a word of a lie. I used to have GRID, now I have AIDS. by Coleman January 16, ...
bounce: I expect the goal was to silence trolls like the one filling today's log for a goodly while. hence the raising and lowering of the fence suggestion.
ThickAsThieves: if we wanted our own cool kids room, couldnt we make it and have it in sikrit?
nubbins`: or, y'know, +v on join with the option to -v if too noisy/stupid
bounce: there's +q for that, too.
ThickAsThieves: if initiating noobs is a value held commonly here, isn't this a problem?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03699984 = 0.185 BTC [+] {3}
nubbins`: right, yes
BingoBoingo: I like this. This is different, and interesting.
nubbins`: efnet didn't have all these peculiar channel modes ;(
bounce: THIS IS FREENODE
ThickAsThieves: yeah it's fun n all, i'm just unclear what the pros are
bounce: but a +v on join would work too, I suppose
jurov: !up gribble
assbot: Voicing gribble for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: !up Periscope
assbot: Voicing Periscope for 30 minutes.
ThickAsThieves: it also adds inconvenience, like if i am mobile and wanna lurk and maybe comment, i dont wanna have to auth and have all tools needed to do so on my phone
ThickAsThieves: \\rant over for now
bounce: not disagreeing with you there
kakobrekla: have a bouncer?
nubbins` shakes head
nubbins`: /ignore
nubbins`: it's not that hard ;(
nubbins`: too much static? tune 'em out
bounce: doesn't work on the log
nubbins`: so? :D
ThickAsThieves: so maybe we can be less passive about moderating
ThickAsThieves: like when minersdidit pollutes for an hour, a couple can say hey kako can you mute this fucker?
ThickAsThieves: which leads me to a pro
nubbins`: or !mute with the same conditions as !up
ThickAsThieves: it takes responsibility out of kako's hands
BingoBoingo: But... but... Ologopoly
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 2000 @ 0.00008 = 0.16 BTC [-] {2}
ThickAsThieves: decntralize the responsibilities!
nubbins`: Olegopoly: when people named Oleg are in charge
bounce: moar ops? plus obligatory WoTlink
BingoBoingo: Extortion, Corruption... Delicious Buttcoinz
kakobrekla: -assets doesnt have ops
nubbins`: i don't really want -assets to have ops
ThickAsThieves: NSA never heard of responsible disclosure? sheesh!
nubbins`: next thing ya know, people start acting like sookybums and kicking people they don't like
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03520005 = 0.176 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: everybody blames the mice.
benkay: well kicked from ones wot
benkay: not the chan
benkay: and if someone in the WoT likes the person, they get voice
benkay: it's purt darn permissive, nubbins`
nubbins` shrugs
nubbins`: let's see, i guess
benkay: there is now a hard technical prerequisite.
benkay: no more webchat users i imagine.
ThickAsThieves: 13 people with voice
ThickAsThieves: welcome to the new order!
BingoBoingo: You can ident with webchat
nubbins`: !up *
assbot: Voicing * for 30 minutes.
ThickAsThieves: !down nubbins`
assbot: Can't do that.
nubbins` cackles
nubbins`: ;;gettrust assbot
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user nubbins` to user assbot: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=nubbins%60&dest=assbot | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=assbot | Rated since: Fri Apr 11 02:04:55 2014
ThickAsThieves: when is our last supper?
bounce: does it even ask gribble for the matching gribble nick?
benkay: well, nubbins` can !up himself, and then anyone can !down him.
nubbins`: anyone except tat
ThickAsThieves: !up nubbins`
assbot: Voicing nubbins` for 30 minutes.
ThickAsThieves: !down nubbins`
nubbins`: worked that time
nubbins`: wait, you can only be !downed by the person who !upped you?
nubbins`: !down benkay
assbot: Can't do that.
bounce: !up nubbins`
assbot: Voicing nubbins` for 30 minutes.
nubbins`: !up benkay
assbot: Can't do that.
bounce: !down nubbins`
nubbins`: thoroughly confused
kakobrekla: you are
ThickAsThieves: so what if i make a script that up/downs nubbins every time assbot sets mose +v?
ThickAsThieves: then he's muted?
nubbins`: i type /timer 1 /msg assbot !up
BingoBoingo: !up truffles
assbot: Voicing truffles for 30 minutes.
nubbins`: the chan descends into chaos
kakobrekla: if you !up yourself through pm noone can !down you
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.037 = 0.111 BTC [+] {2}
ThickAsThieves: yeah but i can up him myself
kakobrekla: if you are !upped from chan from someone else, everyon that is upped via pm can down you
BingoBoingo: truffles: Speak while you can
bounce: not sure about the 30 mins. if there's a !down...?
kakobrekla: you can atm still up yourself on chan after you up yourself on pm, i will make disable this nao
benkay: if you up yourself in chan you'll get auto-downed as well 30 minutes later.
kakobrekla: this will be no more.
nubbins`: how in the world would you up yourself in the chan?
bounce: up in msg then up in chan
benkay: !up Mats_cd03
assbot: Voicing Mats_cd03 for 30 minutes.
truffles: didnt expect that itc :D
Mats_cd03: senkq
nubbins`: !down Mats_cd03
nubbins`: and this is supposed to cut down on cruft in the log?
benkay: volatility will never go away, nubbins`
kakobrekla: i dunno, todays will be pretty fucked nubbins` .
nubbins`: yep,
benkay: shiny toys etc.
truffles: no fun if every1 has one
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 2000 @ 0.00007156 = 0.1431 BTC [-] {10}
ThickAsThieves: ;;estimate
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 6500777905.29 based on data since last change | 6694125249.86 based on data for last three days
benkay: Mats_cd03: you might consider that WoT entry...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 13325 @ 0.00006355 = 0.8468 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.05848999 = 0.2924 BTC [+]
jurov: indeed will be fcuked, there's no word about it here: http://bitcoin-assets.com/
benkay: jurov: BingoBoingo 's nominally writing something up.
jurov: or kako feared it woul met same fate as mpex rfc?
BingoBoingo: benkay: I am happy to be scooped
nubbins`: ;;echo !up Mats_cd03
gribble: !up Mats_cd03
assbot: Can't do that.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.08299776 = 0.166 BTC [-]
benkay: are you actively working on it?
benkay: i just got blocked on building a vm so i could take a crack at it
jurov: ;;echo ;;rate assbot 1
gribble: ;;rate assbot 1
BingoBoingo: benkay: Doing baseball writing stuff, so go for it
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 175 @ 0.0075 = 1.3125 BTC [+]
benkay: so let me get this clear
benkay: ;;gettrust assbot
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user assbot: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=assbot | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=assbot | Rated since: Fri Apr 11 02:04:55 2014
benkay: anyone in any of the next lists down, eg http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=kakobrekla&sign=ANY&type=SENT can get voice with ident as well
benkay: and anyone on either list can !up other folks?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.058495 = 0.117 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: incorrect, i didn't get auto-voiced
benkay: no it's not auto, my mistake
benkay: (can voice themselves via gribble and then assbot)
bounce: ;;gettrust assbot benkay
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask benkay!~user@71-214-87-217.ptld.qwest.net. Trust relationship from user assbot to user benkay: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 8 via 8 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=benkay | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=benkay | Rated since: Sun Mar 10 13:57:45 2013
kakobrekla: yes, if you are on the assbot list and you rate someone, that is Level 2 to assbot, so that user can up itself and up others
BingoBoingo: !up HeySteve
assbot: Voicing HeySteve for 30 minutes.
bounce: the 30 mins is going to make people hand out ratings to stop having to !up so much
BingoBoingo: ;;gettrust assbot BingoBoingo
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask BingoBoingo!~BingoBoin@unaffiliated/bingoboingo. Trust relationship from user assbot to user BingoBoingo: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 7 via 7 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=BingoBoingo | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=BingoBoingo | Rated since: Wed Mar 20 03:45:45 2013
benkay: doubtful.
benkay: up is cheap, bounce .
benkay: wot ratings are expensive, or should be.
benkay: ;;gettrust tg2
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user tg2: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=tg2 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=tg2 | Rated since: never
bounce: up is annoying to have to do every 30 mins, and so either won't happen or cause a +1 to make the 30 mins limit go away
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 70 @ 0.05969588 = 4.1787 BTC [+] {6}
benkay: if the content is worthwhile, more ups will come forth
benkay: if you're so free with your ratings, have at
truffles: content of what
bounce: it's also going to cause bunchteen extra lines in the log, for that matter
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 37 @ 0.06121619 = 2.265 BTC [+] {4}
benkay: maybe.
benkay: who cares, though.
artifexd: I'm inclined to be more selective with my ratings due to them automatically giving voice to someone in here. Asshatery is annoying.
benkay: ratings are your identity.
bounce: worthy of a bet if it could easily be proved
benkay: bet on what now?
bounce: not everyone gets that. and it certainly puts the pressure on.
benkay: game starts at maxlvl.
mircea_popescu: jurov siounds hoaxy
artifexd: It seems to me, that the first advice anyone ever gets in here is "Get yo ass in the wot noob". Or something to that effect. These new rules give some teeth to that advice and start a precedent. "You followed our first piece of advice to get in here. Follow the rest, too."
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves to make sure the new blood we get isn't all that new.
benkay: there's literally no point to hanging around here without being in the wot now if you want to participate in conversation.
benkay: listening's still free.
truffles: oh i c
mircea_popescu: the idea being that this isn't where you first hang out if you just heard of btc last week
truffles: thats what #bitcoin is for
kakobrekla: <jurov> or kako feared it woul met same fate as mpex rfc? <- no, we do it drunk on production and silently revert if it doesnt work.
benkay: ;;later tell JorgePasada #bitcoin-assets just went wot-only for voice
truffles: no voice no chat?
BingoBoingo: truffles: No voice, whore self for voice to chat
benkay: yeah sharpie in pooper, truffles
benkay: !down truffles
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves> if initiating noobs is a value held commonly here, isn't this a problem? << say this is college, not junior high
BingoBoingo: !up truffles
assbot: Voicing truffles for 30 minutes.
artifexd: benkay I have noticed that your first response to someone new is a gettrust to see how they relate to you. Not an "ident", but a "gettrust". That has said much to me.
truffles: tell me when the experiment is over
benkay: BingoBoingo: you gotta share
mircea_popescu: nothing wrong with being 15, but you don't belong in the college dorms. they like... drink there.
BingoBoingo: !down truffles
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 8978 @ 0.00006302 = 0.5658 BTC [-] {2}
benkay: we *all* need to see the sharpie in truffles
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves> it also adds inconvenience, like if i am mobile << i guess you ask someone to v you ?
kakobrekla: bouncers.
kakobrekla: welcome to 1990
mircea_popescu: <ThickAsThieves> which leads me to a pro << the pro is that it's impersonal.
benkay: !up Mats_cd03
assbot: Voicing Mats_cd03 for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: <nubbins`> wait, you can only be !downed by the person who !upped you? << you can only be downed if a) you don't meet the wot condition or else b) if you upped yourself.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 5489 @ 0.0000622 = 0.3414 BTC [-] {4}
kakobrekla: b is gonna be removed
benkay: no more bash?
kakobrekla: >b) if you upped yourself.
BingoBoingo: NeoBBQ is down to four zeros after the decimal place.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3000 @ 0.00096229 = 2.8869 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 15479 @ 0.000062 = 0.9597 BTC [-] {2}
ThickAsThieves: <+mircea_popescu> ThickAsThieves> if initiating noobs is a value held commonly here, isn't this a problem? << say this is college, not junior high /// fair enough
mircea_popescu: <truffles> content of what << should be his epitaph.
nubbins`: Mats_cd03: i saw those guys play in '10
ThickAsThieves: i've always been a fan of learning by doing
ThickAsThieves: if the voice thing sucks, itll show so
Mats_cd03: edward sharpe is super nostalgic for me
nubbins`: you can't bribe the future with nostalgia
Mats_cd03: i got my first bj in ninth grade listening to him singing at me
Mats_cd03: is nice
mircea_popescu: <artifexd> benkay I have noticed that your first response to someone new is a gettrust to see how they relate to you. Not an "ident", but a "gettrust". That has said much to me. << he's doing it right too.
HeySteve: hey I'm going to write on the baseball bet opportunity BingoBoingo highlighted
artifexd: kakobrekla: When did you start working on the auto-voice-by-wot feature?
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla whay!
mircea_popescu: artifexd last night
HeySteve: never done any online betting though, so let me know if there's anything important I should mention
BingoBoingo: ;;google trilema mutual betting
BingoBoingo: !up gribble
assbot: Voicing gribble for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: ;;google trilema mutual betting
gribble: Least likely to succeed character : The upseller pe Trilema - Un blog ...: <http://trilema.com/least-likely-to-succeed-character-the-upseller>; Trilenciclopedia pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/category/trilenciclopedia/>; Februarie 2013 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2013/02>
nubbins`: ;;echo !down gribble
gribble: !down gribble
assbot: Can't do that.
nubbins`: i give up
kakobrekla: you were upped ?
kakobrekla: i mean, by
kakobrekla: someone else
nubbins`: i can't remember
kakobrekla: !down gribble
nubbins`: find out in a half hour i guess
Mats_cd03: oh wait the person im thinking of isnt edard sharpe
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves from what i've seen, there are many noobs that read the logs and came with their homwork done. those were rapidly accepted and are a pleasure to this day.
mircea_popescu: there are also the folks that just stumbled in. not only those were never accepted, but are kinda still derpy, even today.
kakobrekla: imma make bot voicing permanent
mircea_popescu: so there seems ot be a pretty clear cleavage.
Mats_cd03: nubbins`: what venue did you go to
nubbins`: lollapalooza
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla the part where you can make your voicing temporary is not so good, maybe
nubbins`: beautiful grant park, chicago
mircea_popescu: but really indifferent
mircea_popescu: the part where you can make your voice vulnerable to !down however is great.
benkay: ;;echo !down Mats_cd03
benkay: !up gribble
assbot: Voicing gribble for 30 minutes.
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu as said, it is already remove, just need to reboot the assbot
benkay: ;;echo !down Mats_cd03
gribble: !down Mats_cd03
assbot: Can't do that.
Mats_cd03: gettin all up in my shit
artifexd: Is there anyone who stumbled in, did their homework in class, and is now accepted?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1151 @ 0.00071131 = 0.8187 BTC [-] {3}
nubbins`: artifexd: me, i guess
nubbins`: although if you promise not to tell anyone, i didn't really do my homework
mircea_popescu: artifexd not afaik. the general reaction is to get butthurt over how dares there be homework.
mircea_popescu: mebbe the sa kid, fluffypony
mircea_popescu: !up fluffypony
assbot: Voicing fluffypony for 30 minutes.
fluffypony hears his name
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.063 = 1.008 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: do we want !up <nick> <min> ?
fluffypony: I'm of the opinion that one should only be butthurt if one has actual sharpies in ones butt
fluffypony: one's butt
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla nah
pankkake: what about multi !up
nubbins`: kakobrekla too complicated
benkay: 30m is perfect
kakobrekla: nubbins` you are stupid.
nubbins`: tell that to my uh
nubbins` thinks
benkay: if there's anything else worth coming out of those so upped, people can up them again
nubbins`: YOU'RE STUPID ;(
mircea_popescu: nubbins` you mean stupd
nubbins`: stipud
bounce: IMO, yeah. can keep the default 30 mins but an optional duration would be good
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.063 = 0.504 BTC [+]
bounce expects something like that'll be wanted before too long
mircea_popescu: !up peterl
assbot: Voicing peterl for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: dja understand how this shit works ?
kakobrekla: dafuq was dat
nubbins`: a challenger emerges!
nubbins` scrambles to prepare a bitbet
mircea_popescu: he devoiced himself ?
kakobrekla: !up peterl
assbot: Voicing peterl for 30 minutes.
artifexd: A topic change would be useful.
peterl: hi?
mircea_popescu: peterl did you just remove your own voice a sec ago ?
kakobrekla: dunno
fluffypony: artifexd: you mean like the actual channel topic? or you mean about what we're talking about?
peterl: no, maybe you upped me before I finished identing?
artifexd: Channel topic
mircea_popescu: the actual chan topic, and he has a point
mircea_popescu: ah right
jurov: !up ozbot
assbot: Voicing ozbot for 30 minutes.
jurov: .bait
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves omg are they extraditing danny ?!
nubbins`: /topic #bitcoin-assets msg mircea_popescu for voice
jurov: !down ozbot
kakobrekla: nubbins` :D
mircea_popescu: nubbins` you're the liberal. they should msg you
peterl: so if we don't get upped for 30 min then we lose our voice?
nubbins`: no need, i may start upping on join
mircea_popescu: nubbins` imo that's a good move.
nubbins`: you'll never silence the voice of the voiceless@!#$
pankkake: is Cyprus Mail reliable?
mircea_popescu: no srsly, good thing.
nubbins`: !up mjr_
assbot: Voicing mjr_ for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: pankkake well sort-of.
mircea_popescu: peterl read teh log cause it's all in there
ThickAsThieves: <+pankkake> is Cyprus Mail reliable? /// dunno, it appears to be
nubbins`: how else you think people are gonna get their magazines full of neo ads
pankkake: some websites seems to take bitcointalk as a source which in turns takes the website as a source
nubbins`: smidge's quit msg is so cringeworthy
pankkake: kinda like wikipedia and newspapers
pankkake: remove the extra 's's
ThickAsThieves: smidge is cringeworthy
nubbins`: well i guess he should keep it
nubbins`: it's the irc equivalent of a "^ the man v the legend" t-shirts
pankkake: his quit has been quoted on his fund's thread. appropriate
mircea_popescu: 20 voiced. no more last supper.
nubbins`: i ever tell you guys my father in law is in a painting of the last supper?
mircea_popescu: !up thestringpuller
assbot: Voicing thestringpuller for 30 minutes.
nubbins`: massive triptych over the doors of the church i attended from kindergarten through grade nine
mircea_popescu: pretty cool
mircea_popescu: he paid for it or such ?
benkay: kakobrekla: feel free to link to that from bitcoin-assets.com
mircea_popescu: prolly needs a shortener
mircea_popescu: also explain the dynamics of !up/!down in chan
nubbins`: nah, friends w/ the artist
benkay: yessir mr mircea_popescu sir
nubbins`: i believe he was Thaddeus
peterl: benkay: that seems to say you need to be linked to assbot through WOT, but it seems others can give you voice instead?
benkay: yup. incomplete.
peterl: like, I don't think I have any connections in the WOT?
BingoBoingo: !up HeySteve
assbot: Voicing HeySteve for 30 minutes.
kakobrekla: !up mpexbot
assbot: Voicing mpexbot indefinitely.
nubbins`: several decades later, most of them are dead, in jail, bankrupt, etc
kakobrekla: !down gribble
assbot: Can't do that, kakobrekla.
kakobrekla: !up gribble
assbot: Voicing gribble indefinitely.
kakobrekla: !up ozbot
assbot: Voicing ozbot indefinitely.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06499999 = 0.13 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: !up kakobrekla
assbot: Voicing kakobrekla for 30 minutes.
bounce: based on what?
mircea_popescu: this is like the facebook like button basically
bounce: [like] [+1] [+v]
nubbins`: ;;echo !up Apocalyptic
nubbins`: dammit
nubbins`: !up gribble
assbot: Voicing gribble indefinitely.
artifexd: !up gribble
assbot: Voicing gribble indefinitely.
nubbins`: ;;echo !up Apocalyptic
gribble: !up Apocalyptic
assbot: Can't do that, gribble.
nubbins`: BUT WHY ;(
mircea_popescu: because gribble sux!
pankkake: kakobrekla: bots can probably be autovoiced by chanserv, provided they identify
HeySteve: what is this about assbot and WoT?
kakobrekla: oh yeah
mircea_popescu: HeySteve benkay is writing a better article
kakobrekla: that would be better pankkake .
bounce: ;;echo !up Apocalyptic
fluffypony: kakobrekla: is the 30 min counter fixed or does it reset on activity?
mircea_popescu: reset on activity ?! what is this, cornucopia ?
nubbins`: you had me at corn
nubbins`: bbl, work to do
fluffypony: pornucopia
jurov: !up Apocalyptic
assbot: Voicing Apocalyptic for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: that, it is.
pankkake: you had me at corps nu
HeySteve: oh I missed the article. that's clear enough
benkay: kakobrekla there's also #bitcoin-otc-events, the bot could listen in there for auth events for people in this channel and auto-voice
mircea_popescu: o, bloomberg reports ? heh.
peterl: how does it tell the difference between bots and other users?
mircea_popescu: bots are registered
BingoBoingo: HeySteve: Where do you write at?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 50 @ 0.06499999 = 3.25 BTC [+] {3}
ozbot: Chet Faker – Built on Glass | Hillydilly
benkay: anyone can down someone who's been upped, correct?
pankkake: !down benkay
assbot: Can't do that, pankkake.
kakobrekla: anyone = people who were upped via pm
peterl: only the cool kids
peterl: can you !down yourself?
artifexd: !up mircea_popescu
assbot: Voicing mircea_popescu for 30 minutes.
artifexd: !down mircea_popescu
Mats_cd03: https://microcorruption.com/ re-advertising for anyone interested in a memory corruption CTF
ozbot: Embedded Security CTF
kakobrekla: that is a problem.
artifexd: !up mircea_popescu
assbot: Voicing mircea_popescu for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: ok, that is a problem.
benkay: hahaha
kakobrekla: is what i said.
mod6: haha
mircea_popescu: some people only understand what's said from experience you know ?
benkay: and we call those people...
mircea_popescu: !up benkay
assbot: Can't do that, mircea_popescu.
benkay: HAW
benkay: hahahahaha
BingoBoingo: Insufficiant corruption:
artifexd: Now THAT was funny
ozbot: Police: no arrest in case involving Mizzou's DGB | FOX Sports on MSN
mod6: it might just be better to /kick guys who spam the channel
mircea_popescu: anyway yeah ideally only people uped in chan can be downed in chan
thestringpuller: !up mircea_popescu
assbot: Voicing mircea_popescu for 30 minutes.
kakobrekla: try to down benkay now
thestringpuller: !down mircea_popescu
kakobrekla: you fuckied it up thestringpuller
thestringpuller: :( sorry
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3197 @ 0.00096195 = 3.0754 BTC [-]
benkay: I eagerly anticipate BingoBoingo and my first !up !down war over truffles
mircea_popescu: so what am i trying hiar ?
kakobrekla: try !down benkay
mircea_popescu: !down benkay
assbot: Can't do that, mircea_popescu.
kakobrekla: aha. k
mircea_popescu: !up benkay
assbot: Voicing benkay for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: !down benkay
mircea_popescu: !up benkay
assbot: Voicing benkay for 30 minutes.
benkay: ey.
mircea_popescu: !up benkay
assbot: Voicing benkay for 30 minutes.
benkay: no stop.
fluffypony: !up fluffypony
assbot: Can't do that, fluffypony.
benkay: staaaahp.
benkay: !down benkay
assbot: Can't do that, benkay.
mircea_popescu: !stahp benkay
fluffypony: !vengaboys
kakobrekla: fluffypony :D
ozbot: Vengaboys - Up & Down - YouTube
benkay: ;;echo !down benkay
gribble: !down benkay
artifexd: Maybe up should check to see if that person already has voice. If so, nop
benkay: faugh.
BingoBoingo: benkay: As long as we both get the butt it is cool
benkay: i suppose
benkay: i am going to quash that dumbass with aggression at the slightest provocation, though.
benkay: s/aggression/prejudice
peterl: I feel like all this !up and !downing is adding cruft to the chan ... this will go away when people are used to the new toy?
mircea_popescu: peterl hopefully.
benkay: will bitcoin volatility go down someday?
artifexd: Just working out the bugs right now.
benkay: testing
benkay: in proderption
thestringpuller: cowboy coding
benkay: time honored traderption for the assettes.
thestringpuller: ;;ud cowboy coding
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=code%20cowboy | random A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z # new tv. trending. hipster · neknominate · lumpatious · tittybong · poopsterbate · dtf · spectaphile ...
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: code cowboy
BingoBoingo: I feel like we need a bot named Periscope now, but I can't imagine what it would do.
benkay: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 420.66, Best ask: 422.09, Bid-ask spread: 1.43000, Last trade: 422.1, 24 hour volume: 52601.17322849, 24 hour low: 339.79, 24 hour high: 432.22, 24 hour vwap: 387.971082833
peterl: a better version of ozbot bait?
mircea_popescu: ya srsly. upskirts.
peterl: maybe views from colonoscopies? Or is that too far up the skirt?
ThickAsThieves: btcusd is stoned
mod6: haha
ThickAsThieves: bitbet idea!
asciilifeform: from the crackpot brigade:
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: pop up and post porn when its upped
ThickAsThieves: BTCUSD will be 420 on 4/20
ozbot: » Breaking: Sen. Harry Reid Behind BLM Land Grab of Bundy Ranch Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a wa
thestringpuller: wasn't that already a bit bet?
ThickAsThieves: surely not
thestringpuller: last year they did that
thestringpuller: when btc was ~100-200
thestringpuller: yea. is there bitbet archives? (closed bets)
ThickAsThieves: no you are right
benkay: check the search dropdowns, thestringpuller
ozbot: BitBet - Bitcoin at $420 on or before 4/20
benkay: check this out
ozbot: OTC benkay
benkay: my first otc action was to get banned from #bitcoin-otc by gmaxwell
ozbot: OTC mircea_popescu
benkay: mircea_popescu's is even more amusing
benkay: KICK_BY: gmaxwell (Stop troublemaking.)
pankkake: apparently this doesn't count #bitcoin-otc-eu
kakobrekla: -eu is the mother of -assets
mircea_popescu: why so amusing ?
benkay: explaining comedy's above my pay grade
ozbot: The froth of our days pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
benkay: rabelais something or other
fluffypony: well done
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1816 @ 0.00069999 = 1.2712 BTC [-] {5}
benkay: anyways, !up !down dynamics
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets new WoT and voice model
fluffypony: KICK_BY: coingenuity (how about you listen to administrators instead of being an idiot.)
artifexd: benkay Shouldn't the person need to be in assbot's wot, not gribble's wot?
benkay: jesus fuck
mircea_popescu: ima save thios for when he derps about my creative accounting and maffs.
artifexd: A link to http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=assbot&sign=ANY&type=SENT at that point would probably be helpful, too.
mircea_popescu: i thought he had the list in the article.
thestringpuller: benkay: also "What do do" >> "What to do"
benkay: third sentence.
kakobrekla: well, there are 3 ways of fixing the up down exploit, i dont like either one so i will go with the second. bbs.
benkay: what doodoo?
artifexd: mircea_popescu: Yep. Sure does. Higher up.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5195 @ 0.0009623 = 4.9991 BTC [+] {2}
bounce: deep doodoo. I kinda like that exploit. evidence of alcohol assisted coding, or simply not thinking the mechanism through... enough.
benkay: moar think
benkay: less type
benkay: fixed thank you all for your copy editing
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1355 @ 0.00096451 = 1.3069 BTC [+]
benkay: !up Mats_cd03
assbot: Voicing Mats_cd03 for 30 minutes.
benkay: !down Mats_cd03
benkay: mode changes not muted...
bounce: I don't think I'd like russia, or the usa, or china, or any earthly country for that matter, to annex the moon
ozbot: Twitter / rabite: Jews did #Heartbleed, by the way.
bounce: quick, build a spaceship, go there, and declare it its own country.
pankkake: the moon is going to be annexed by bitcoin
benkay: sweet silence
mod6: just put a giant solar array and ASICs on there.
Apocalyptic: <artifexd> benkay Shouldn't the person need to be in assbot's wot, not gribble's wot? // sounds reasonable
benkay: blow out your caches
benkay: shit's been updated for at least two minutes
benkay: ;)
fluffypony fires up links
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9500 @ 0.0009619 = 9.1381 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 42 @ 0.00785126 = 0.3298 BTC [-] {12}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6150 @ 0.00096152 = 5.9133 BTC [-] {2}
Apocalyptic: !up mike_c
assbot: Voicing mike_c for 30 minutes.
benkay: so i'm looking at these "ultimate gpg guides", and they all say to create a new signing subkey with rsa signing only and then delete the secret key. how am i supposed to decrypt without the secret key? is there some other key for en/decryption that gets spun up at the same time?
artifexd: kakobrekla: Does the voice-by-wot thing take into account the rating provided or just that a rating was provided. If ThickAsThieves rates someone -10, does that still qualify to give them the self-voicing ability.
kakobrekla: must be greater than 0
kakobrekla: level 1 or level 2
artifexd: What if mircea_popescu rates them -5 but ThickAsThieves rates them as 4? Does the balance count or does any positive rating win?
mike_c: kakobrekla: are you the right person to continue to harass about hooking up atc.blockr & x-bt?
kakobrekla: either one must be greater than 0
kakobrekla: mike_c prolly
benkay: <gmaxwell> I don't think you should use 'satoshi' it's a stupid name for the base units. << gmaxwell inserting himself into the conformal project
benkay: christ on a shitstick
benkay: mircea_popescu: wouldja take a look at that
pankkake: benkay: you must be missing the part where the main signing key is saved on another device first
pankkake: basically the main signing key is only needed to sign your subkeys, and sign others' keys
benkay: pankkake: is that implicit in the key creation process?
pankkake: no, it's extremely not user friendly
mircea_popescu: benkay i don't think you should pay attention to gmaxwell
mircea_popescu: it's pretty much the only thing it exists for.
pankkake: also, a good tip would be to make your ~/.gnupg into a git repo, so that you don't fear making mistakes
mike_c: ok, here's my pitch before i get quieted :) x-bt is awesome, has steady volume (and the most for atc), and atc.blockr would be cooler with those price charts on the top.
pankkake: (but then if you delete the secret key, delete the .git or it will stay in the history)
mircea_popescu: <mike_c> ok, here's my pitch before i get quieted << i like it how people always expect the worst.
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic welcome across the chasm
mike_c: well, i just can't auth right now.
mike_c: so clock's ticking
artifexd: !up mike_c
assbot: Voicing mike_c for 30 minutes.
artifexd: Have another 30 minutes. ;)
mircea_popescu: tiiiime is tiiicking awaaaaay
benkay: pankkake: mircea_popescu, any notion as to why debian et al. suggest i make a signing-only key in addition to my subkey that's configured for both signing and decryption?
Anduck: bah
Anduck hates assbot
mircea_popescu: Anduck wb
pankkake: all my subkeys do signing xor decryption
mircea_popescu: benkay because they're anally retentive wikiops.
benkay: rad.
benkay: thanks pankkake mircea_popescu
Anduck: hi mp
pankkake: when doing addkey, I can't have both, apparently. either sign only or encrypt only
mircea_popescu: !up akstunt600
assbot: Voicing akstunt600 for 30 minutes.
pankkake: and if you want to experiment, you can patch gpg to generate keys >4K
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6900 @ 0.00096335 = 6.6471 BTC [+] {2}
benkay: that's neat.
mircea_popescu: not really very useful, but sure.
mircea_popescu: i recall usagi was at some point... SELLING privkeys.
benkay: why not so useful?
benkay: hahahaha are you serious?
mircea_popescu: if someone is going to break your gpg encryption tehy will attack the symmetric key not the 4kb rsa
mircea_popescu: and yes im serious
Anduck: whose privkeys?
BingoBoingo: I remember that thread
ozbot: [WTS] Extremely Secure GPG keys
pankkake: Extremely Secure… oh god
pankkake: WOW your friends! AMAZE your boss! at least that is right, >4K keys are a good conversation starter
mircea_popescu: esp if you bought your privkey
mircea_popescu: definitely amaze your bos.
mircea_popescu: !up [\\\]
assbot: Voicing [\\\] for 30 minutes.
[\]: hello kids
mircea_popescu: you just go !up in assbot pm
pankkake: that reminds me, I need to generate a new SSH key, too…
[\]: but that doesn't do me long term
[\]: :(
[\]: script chokes on the [\\\] for the rating
[\]: escaping special characters and all
mircea_popescu: [\\\] lol i guess trapped by your own cool ?
imsaguy: ;-)
benkay: depths of american culture
benkay: stack shit to the ceiling
mircea_popescu: !up mike_c
assbot: Voicing mike_c for 30 minutes.
bounce: hm. openssl and their own funky freelist thingy. doesn't work without it, which would've had a good chance exposing heartbleed. mitigation is a simple patch. been reported... four years back, nothing happened. (last paragraph) http://www.tedunangst.com/flak/post/analysis-of-openssl-freelist-reuse
artifexd: It looks like up doesn't reset the timer.
artifexd: Err... nevermind. It looks like it does.
joecool: well if they didn't write the stupid wrapper on malloc this would have been a non-issue as a crash would occur on most platforms
benkay: oh hey there's a countdown timer right on google these days
joecool: instead of a memory grab bag
BingoBoingo: I like how normalized +m is already
joecool: BingoBoingo: i wish OTC would bring it back fulltime
BingoBoingo: joecool: Nah, not much help when the place is moderated by trolls
joecool: coingenuity and [\\\] seem to be the only ones there who go hard on the trolling
bounce was wondering about how one got ops there
[\]: lol
joecool: bounce: OTC? nobody knows, i remember when TLOT appeared one day as a staffer
[\]: I troll yet you asked me about how to get +m in here
bounce: as in, likely obtained with a box of cereal or something
[\]: good one
joecool: [\\\]: but i thought you knew that and accepted that fact
[\]: err +v
joecool: i troll quite a bit too
[\]: I don't troll much anymore.
bounce: TLOT?
joecool: thelordoftime
[\]: I'm not on the -otc access list
bounce: oh right. that... person.
[\]: I'm on many of the others though.
BingoBoingo: gmaxwell has to be a troll, and it is a miracle coingenuity can be op in a commerce channel
joecool: gmax is pretty funny
akstunt600: Oh wow thank mircea_popescu
akstunt600: hey [\\\]
[\]: hiya
mircea_popescu: akstunt600 dja understand how this works ?
[\]: akstunt600, the ops decided to troll the trolls
assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 786 @ 0.00313681 = 2.4655 BTC [+]
artifexd: ;;topic
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06053691 = 0.3027 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.0009624 = 6.7368 BTC [-]
Anduck: i don't think -otc needs +m =P
Anduck: it's good as it is now
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30176 @ 0.00096068 = 28.9895 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3302 @ 0.00095892 = 3.1664 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 252 @ 0.00052619 = 0.1326 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06499999 = 0.13 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.065 = 0.39 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15050 @ 0.00096576 = 14.5347 BTC [+] {3}
benkay: downsides: several steps to talk in -assets now
benkay: auth
benkay: everify
benkay: up
Apocalyptic: or you can be invited to speak
benkay: still, that entails a /query Apocalyptic "hey bud up me plz"
kakobrekla: use a bouncer
kakobrekla: anyway i got a patch ready
kakobrekla: no idea if it works, it prolly should, mostly
kakobrekla: i need to devoice erryone
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20200 @ 0.00096886 = 19.571 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: break it nao pls
kakobrekla: !up mike_c
assbot: Voicing mike_c for 30 minutes.
mike_c: !down kakobrekla
assbot: Can't do that, mike_c.
mike_c: it works
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 8 @ 0.14 = 1.12 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4998 @ 0.00096385 = 4.8173 BTC [-]
benkay: !down mike_c
benkay: haw
benkay: !up mike_c
assbot: Voicing mike_c for 30 minutes.
benkay: ;;gettrust mike_c
benkay: !up gribble
assbot: Can't do that, benkay.
benkay: oh wait gribble's pissed at me for other reasons
mike_c: ;;gettrust benkay
kakobrekla: naw, bots are special
benkay: well, gribble being pissed at me is a true thing anyways.
mike_c: ;;gettrust benkay
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask benkay!~user@71-214-87-217.ptld.qwest.net. Trust relationship from user mike_c to user benkay: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 4 via 4 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mike_c&dest=benkay | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=benkay | Rated since: Sun Mar 10 13:57:45 2013
gribble: Unknown authenticator.
kakobrekla: small fix
kakobrekla: i think we are good nao
artifexd: !up benkay
assbot: Voicing benkay for 30 minutes.
artifexd: !down benkay
artifexd: Hmm....
artifexd: !up benkay
assbot: Voicing benkay for 30 minutes.
benkay: feature's still around, kakobrekla
kakobrekla: hold on
benkay: okay so more gpg derpery
benkay: got a master key, got a signing subkey
benkay: i push master key id/pubkey to keyservers?
benkay: then signing key?
benkay: then point gribble at the signing key?
benkay: or the master key?
benkay: mircea_popescu pankkake ping
pankkake: if you push the master key id it will push everything, at least by default
benkay: send-keys seems to fail for some reason
pankkake: and you give gribble the master key id. however, you can then sign/decrypt with the other keys by themselves
kakobrekla: ah i see what the problem is
benkay: mkay lets try this again...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29284 @ 0.00096801 = 28.3472 BTC [+] {5}
pankkake: perhaps you have a wrong keyserver in the config
benkay: keys.gnupg.net?
benkay: no, it's pushing correctly - my mistake.
ozbot: SKS Keyservers
pankkake: I'm falling asleep, nighty night
benkay: fuck everything gpg says my sig is fine fuck you gribble
benkay: night pankkake
pankkake: if you just pushed, it might take a while for it to appear in all the servers
benkay: i'll give it a few, thanks, pankkake
kakobrekla: !up mike_c
assbot: Voicing mike_c for 30 minutes.
kakobrekla: !up benkay
assbot: Voicing benkay for 30 minutes.
mike_c: ;;echo drunk in production
BingoBoingo: “If you pay $7,500, you ought to be able to bring out a quesadilla,” Miller said.
kakobrekla: !up assbot
assbot: Can't do that, kakobrekla.
kakobrekla: !up benkay
assbot: kakobrekla, benkay is already voiced.
kakobrekla: !up benkay
assbot: kakobrekla, benkay is already voiced.
BingoBoingo: !down benkay
assbot: Can't do that, BingoBoingo.
benkay: !down benkay
assbot: Can't do that, benkay.
benkay: !up benkay
assbot: benkay, benkay is already voiced.
benkay: !up gribble
assbot: Can't do that, benkay.
benkay: ;;ticker
kakobrekla: benkay do !up on pvt
benkay: kakobrekla: done
benkay: !up kakobrekla
assbot: Voicing kakobrekla for 30 minutes.
kakobrekla: i dont cunt
kakobrekla: !up benkay
assbot: Can't do that, kakobrekla.
benkay: huehuehue
artifexd: !up benkay
assbot: Can't do that, artifexd.
artifexd: !down benkay
assbot: artifexd, benkay is not voiced.
benkay: !up artifexd
assbot: Can't do that, benkay.
benkay: !down artifexed
assbot: benkay, artifexed is not voiced.
kakobrekla: what.
benkay: funny, why do i get to up kako?
kakobrekla: ok more fail
benkay: !down kakobrekla
benkay: !up ka
assbot: Voicing ka for 30 minutes.
benkay: !up kakobrekla
assbot: Voicing kakobrekla for 30 minutes.
benkay: dem edge cases
kakobrekla: what is happening to me is ok
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12100 @ 0.00096337 = 11.6568 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: i wasnt authed by assbot
kakobrekla: now i am
kakobrekla: try to down
artifexd: !down kakobrekla
assbot: Can't do that, artifexd.
artifexd: !up kakobrekla
assbot: artifexd, kakobrekla is already voiced.
kakobrekla: !up benkay
assbot: Can't do that, kakobrekla.
artifexd: !up benkay
assbot: Can't do that, artifexd.
kakobrekla: something is up with benkay .
artifexd: !down kakobrekla
assbot: Can't do that, artifexd.
artifexd: Seems like it is working fine.
kakobrekla: i dunno
mircea_popescu: !up mircea_popescu
assbot: Can't do that, mircea_popescu.
mircea_popescu: aww, that went away huh ?
artifexd: benkay is already voiced so I can't up him, right?
kakobrekla: !down benkay
assbot: kakobrekla, benkay is not voiced.
kakobrekla: stupid assbot
artifexd: !down ArtyFact
assbot: artifexd, ArtyFact is not voiced.
artifexd: !down mircea_popescu
assbot: artifexd, mircea_popescu is not voiced.
kakobrekla: yea yea ill debug
mircea_popescu: i totaly loved the fact that one could voice self thus becoming vulnerable to devoicing by others.
artifexd: But you didn't like that one could be revoiced by others thus becoming vulnerable to devoicing by others?
asciilifeform: that was neat, bring it back kako
mircea_popescu: artifexd correct.
kakobrekla: selfpwning?
benkay: selfpwning is great.
mircea_popescu: selfpwning should be allowed.
kakobrekla: you guise are unserial
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.5945 = 1.189 BTC [-]
benkay: serialized to the wire
kakobrekla: i might do another reboot later on.
benkay: kakobrekla: can you get gribble voiced in here in the meantime?
mircea_popescu: !up gribble
assbot: Can't do that, mircea_popescu.
mircea_popescu: !up Duffer1
assbot: Voicing Duffer1 for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: benkay dat 2fa thing. wow.
benkay: whattabout it?
asciilifeform: jurov: http://trilema.com/2014/mpexrfc1/#comment-98982 << i must note that i can't stop a determined idiot from pulling his ROM and stowing the key somewhere
mircea_popescu: benkay srsly, social engineering attack, emptied wallet ?
Duffer1: ni hao?
mircea_popescu: ppl won't read.
mircea_popescu: Duffer1 you gotta id with gribble and pm assbot !up
benkay: what 2fa thing are we talking about? that which my boys decrappified or the blockchain 2fa breach?
benkay: kinda unreal, right?
benkay: gulag?
mircea_popescu: we have a security feature which we'll turn off.
mircea_popescu: it's secure in the sense of... um...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06201312 = 0.3101 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: "my gf would never cheat on me. unless someone asked her to, of course."
Duffer1: thanks for the heads up mircea i'll check it out after i get something to eat
benkay: that's what happened.
benkay: blockchain owes the poor doctors in a big way.
mircea_popescu: how much are they out anyway ?
benkay: 143.94
benkay: doh no not that
benkay: mircea_popescu: "almost 23.5"
benkay: almost an mpex seat lol
kakobrekla: why is chanserv so evil
benkay: cuz freenode
benkay: ;;lasers
gribble: ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*
benkay: ha neat
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4800 @ 0.00095967 = 4.6064 BTC [-] {2}
gribble: !up nanotube
assbot: Can't do that, gribble.
gribble: kakobrekla mircea_popescu nice re assbot and voice stuff. :)
kakobrekla: apparently freenode will force devoice when you change nicks
kakobrekla: i didnt know that, neeed to change some things.
gribble: how does one gain voice without having it, though? can't send !up t channel.
kakobrekla: thanks gribble
kakobrekla: !up on pm or !up <nick> on chan
assbot: Voicing on for 30 minutes.
kakobrekla: o cmon.
gribble: ah up in pm, ic.
benkay: ;;lasers
gribble: ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*
benkay: still works!
mircea_popescu: nanotube you send it via pm
mircea_popescu: !up nanotube
assbot: Voicing nanotube for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: !up cgcardona_
assbot: Voicing cgcardona_ for 30 minutes.
cgcardona_: mircea_popescu: :-] thank you sir
nanotube: mircea_popescu, yea kakobrekla already told me. :) cool stuff.
mircea_popescu: it seems very clever, im curious if it'll end in tears
mircea_popescu: !up KRS-1
assbot: Voicing KRS-1 for 30 minutes.
artifexd: Is the wot chain examined once and cached forever (or X amount of time) or each time someone issues an up command?
mircea_popescu: artifexd i imagine assbot queries gribble, which caches for about half a minute iirc.
artifexd: Ok. I was wondering about if someone gets rated, such that he/she can self-voice, and then turns out to be an asshat, will unrating them remove their self-voicing ability.
mircea_popescu: pretty sure, but voice stays with the session
KRS-1: thx
artifexd: Seems the logical approach.
mircea_popescu: you in the wot KRS-1 ?
mircea_popescu: artifexd tbh i suspect this is more of an anti-derpage measure than an anti-asshat measure
KRS-1: yea but i lost my damned key when my life got turned upside down recently..been going through some shit personally
mircea_popescu: that sucks
KRS-1: wondering when its going to f'n stop
benkay: i wonder if there's a critical mass in here to keep conversational inertia
asciilifeform: i often wonder when people will succumb to the temptation to... implant their keys.
KRS-1: what happens to my abortioned wot account
cgcardona_: mircea_popescu: the other day you mentioned w/ regards to reincarnation/afterlife/nirvana having people hash by hand until they find a block. I've been thinking about that. I'm guessing the difficulty would be based on their overall level of derpage?
mircea_popescu: cgcardona_ many years ago, towards the end of training this english major / drama girl how to math, she had to do multiplications, 10 digit by 10 digit
mircea_popescu: pen on paper. she could go through a few dozen befpre falling over
mircea_popescu: that'd be just about enough for... one hash.
KRS-1: might as well rely on intuition or magic.
mircea_popescu: KRS-1 did you also have a btc addy registered ?
KRS-1: yes im pretty sure
mircea_popescu: benkay s/mass/ass!
mircea_popescu: KRS-1 then you can just log with the btc addy and reg a new gpg key.
KRS-1: ok
mircea_popescu: prolly should do that asap, too, before you also lose the key
mircea_popescu: the addy i mean.
KRS-1: mircea_popescu did you patch your ssl
KRS-1: what did jurov say anything? its pretty important
mircea_popescu: and afaik jurov patched it.
KRS-1: oh good
assbot: Voicing dub for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: dub : id with gribble and pm assbot !up
dub: !up G's
assbot: Can't do that, dub.
dub: !down Ho's
assbot: dub, Ho's is not voiced.
benkay: oh you
benkay: hey everyone half a minute of your attention
benkay: ;;ident
gribble: Nick 'benkay', with hostmask 'benkay!~user@71-214-87-217.ptld.qwest.net', is identified as user 'benkay', with GPG key id 2AFA1A9FD2D031DA, key fingerprint 4F7907942CA8B89B01E25A762AFA1A9FD2D031DA, and bitcoin address None
benkay: ^^ new key
dub: cbf spinning up vm to auth
mircea_popescu: benkay what happened ot the old one
benkay: absolutely nothing.
mircea_popescu: no way ?! vulpe being fox in romanian
mircea_popescu: !up AndrewJackson
assbot: Voicing AndrewJackson for 30 minutes.
benkay: and if anyone cares to stare at my ugly mug, http://cascadianhacker.com/about.html
mircea_popescu: we were looking forward for teh lady vulpes
benkay: may i improve your experience in any way before i jet over to the parents to make my little brother's new girlfriend exceedingly uncomfortable?
benkay: you've seen plenty of her, mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: lol who are we to stand in the way of the disconfort of your little brother's gf.
benkay: ye've a few minutes yet
mircea_popescu: also i wonder what level btc must reach for benkay to afford windows.
benkay: 2mil
mircea_popescu: that halfway dirty cloth thing...
mircea_popescu: i mean the rooflessness i can see, it's for the hairdo
mircea_popescu: in other news : http://szabo.best.vwh.net/seals.html szabo is a pleasure to read, like an encyclopedia.
benkay: har as if lady v would tolerate such inadequate drapes
mircea_popescu: !up [\\\]
assbot: Voicing [\\\] for 30 minutes.
[\]: the bot is shit
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: Ross Anderson's 'security engineering' ch. 14 'seals.'
mircea_popescu: funnily, here it works
[\]: #justsayin
[\]: it didin't work as assbot_sucks either
asciilifeform: (yes pdf)
[\]: [2014/04/11 20:45:59] <assbot_sucks> !up
[\]: [2014/04/11 20:46:01] <assbot> You must auth with gribble first.
[\]: [2014/04/11 20:46:16] <assbot_sucks> !up
[\]: [2014/04/11 20:46:17] <assbot> You must auth with gribble first.
[\]: but I was auth'd the whole time
mircea_popescu: ;;ident [\\\]
gribble: Error: "\\\" is not a valid command.
[\]: heh
[\]: ;;ident
gribble: CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick '[\\\]', with hostmask '[\\\]!\\\]@unaffiliated/imsaguy', is identified as user 'imsaguy', with GPG key id 7D7EA76776E6CE48, key fingerprint A1398F4C58AC3D387F012AFA7D7EA76776E6CE48, and bitcoin address 1Hf5qWZzd2WsrDwLhkykNc4uXPAkykg9PM
[\]: well
mircea_popescu: which bot.
[\]: learn to escape
[\]: ;;ident "[\\\\\\]"
gribble: CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick '[\\\]', with hostmask '[\\\]!\\\]@unaffiliated/imsaguy', is identified as user 'imsaguy', with GPG key id 7D7EA76776E6CE48, key fingerprint A1398F4C58AC3D387F012AFA7D7EA76776E6CE48, and bitcoin address 1Hf5qWZzd2WsrDwLhkykNc4uXPAkykg9PM
mircea_popescu: actually the hostmask is borked
[\]: its been borked
[\]: doesn't affect my auth
[\]: your bot doesn't handle special characters
[\]: thats a security issue
mircea_popescu: [\\\] it's not my bot unless it did something cool. otherwise it's kakobrekla's. and moreover, it'd seem gribble passes it an error.
[\]: mircea_popescu: you're missing the point
[\]: my nick as assbot_sucks, but auth'd was failing too
mircea_popescu: i am ESCAPING the point
benkay: ouch
[\]: which has nothing to do with [\\\]
assbot_sucks: ;;ident
gribble: CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'assbot_sucks', with hostmask 'assbot_sucks!\\\]@unaffiliated/imsaguy', is identified as user 'imsaguy', with GPG key id 7D7EA76776E6CE48, key fingerprint A1398F4C58AC3D387F012AFA7D7EA76776E6CE48, and bitcoin address 1Hf5qWZzd2WsrDwLhkykNc4uXPAkykg9PM
assbot: Need a nickname, assbot_sucks.
kakobrekla: ;;gettrust [\\\]
gribble: Error: "\\\" is not a valid command.
mircea_popescu: it fails if yor ident doesn't match your nick
kakobrekla: ;;gettrust "[\\\]"
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user kakobrekla to user [\\]: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=kakobrekla&dest=%5B%5C%5C%5D | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=%5B%5C%5C%5D | Rated since: never
assbot_sucks: mircea_popescu: silly.
assbot_sucks: kakobrekla: you gotta escape mang
benkay: mircea_popescu: the reason for debian gpg instructions is that the default gnupg keygen process creates a key that decrypts only
kakobrekla: ok so apparently adding quotes hapls if you have a retarded nickname
assbot_sucks: "[\\\\\\]"
assbot_sucks: escape the slashes retardedly
kakobrekla: i will.
benkay: entering 'expert mode' is req'd apparently to get a xor'd key
mircea_popescu: wouldn't it be easier to just ban imsa ?
kakobrekla: stop hiding imsa
kakobrekla: we know its you
assbot_sucks: it isn't hiding.
assbot_sucks: ;;ident
gribble: CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'assbot_sucks', with hostmask 'assbot_sucks!\\\]@unaffiliated/imsaguy', is identified as user 'imsaguy', with GPG key id 7D7EA76776E6CE48, key fingerprint A1398F4C58AC3D387F012AFA7D7EA76776E6CE48, and bitcoin address 1Hf5qWZzd2WsrDwLhkykNc4uXPAkykg9PM
Blazedout419: ugh reading bitcoin-assets.com...then browsing all the sites makes me feel stupid
mircea_popescu: and if you nick to imsaguy and up then nick to slash does it devoice ?
mircea_popescu: Blazedout419 why ?
[\]: because half of them are shit
Blazedout419: Never traded much before
Blazedout419: I do not even know the terminology
kakobrekla: ok wtf why doesnt it devoice
[\]: Blazedout419: thats why you pay people
mircea_popescu: so you learn.
Blazedout419: No swap
kakobrekla: this is fckd.
mircea_popescu: holy shit this has even odds ?
Blazedout419: .5 - 1 pip spread
[\]: kakobrekla: probably same breakage?
Blazedout419: I shall learn indeed
[\]: oh, then dunno
kakobrekla: except if chanserv is broked
mircea_popescu: !up ozbot
assbot: Can't do that, mircea_popescu.
[\]: no, chanserv handles fine
kakobrekla: cause when i change nick when voiced, it devoices me
[\]: aww, ozbot is bannished
kakobrekla: which is wtf
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 2 @ 0.14 = 0.28 BTC
[\]: oh, because of the protected users?
[\]: channel setting
kakobrekla: channel setting? we are on same channel
[\]: What is failing? the bot not devoicing when you switch nicks?
mircea_popescu: i would if he were here.
[\]: it was secureops
mircea_popescu: secureops is still there innit ?!
[\]: but according to chanserv, its no thre anymore
[\]: not there*
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4895 @ 0.00096366 = 4.7171 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: so whats the catch
[\]: try /cs set #bitcoin-assets secure off
kakobrekla: its not some chanserv flags ... ?
[\]: help references only op and halfop, but freenode really doesn't have halfop
[\]: so I'm guessing its playing with voice
[\]: voice yourself
benkay: lady v and i are off to the rye, champagne, and discomfort of the budding youth!
[\]: !up kakobrekla
assbot: Voicing kakobrekla for 30 minutes.
benkay: adieu fair folks
[\]: now the rename for the win
[\]: I'd say ask in #freenode, but you're likely to get helped by a bunch of overachievers that doen't know the real answer
[\]: lol
kakobrekla: [\\\] yes it does something on rename
[\]: kakobrekla, I think its assbot doing a /cs devoice
kakobrekla: anyway this is fucked.
[\]: I don't think its something chanserv is doing on its own
mircea_popescu: lemme try in #trilema.
kakobrekla: !down [\\\]
assbot: kakobrekla, [\\\] is not voiced.
[\]: same breakage
kakobrekla: besides that.
kakobrekla: dafuq
[\]: yeah, its assbot
mircea_popescu: * ChanServ gives channel operator status to mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: * mircea_popescu gives voice to mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: * You are now known as mircea_popescu1
mircea_popescu: <mircea_popescu1> ha. it didn't devoice me.
mircea_popescu: * You are now known as mircea_popescu
kakobrekla: so its only me
mircea_popescu: it must be assbot.
kakobrekla: its me
kakobrekla: dunno how or why but yea
mircea_popescu: bug in client ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59012389 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: i suspect something else, but its just a hunch
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.588 = 1.176 BTC [-] {2}
[\]: doh
mircea_popescu: !up imsaguy
assbot: Voicing imsaguy for 30 minutes.
[\]: !up "[\\\\\\]"
assbot: Voicing "[\\\\\\]" for 30 minutes.
[\]: !down "[\\\\\\
assbot: [\\\], "[\\\\\\ is not voiced.
[\]: !down "[\\\\\\"
assbot: [\\\], "[\\\\\\" is not voiced.
kakobrekla: [\\\] !up should work now in pvt
kakobrekla: try it
[\]: !down "[\\\\\\]"
assbot: Can't do that, [\\\].
mircea_popescu: !down [\\\]
assbot: mircea_popescu, [\\\] is not voiced.
[\]: lol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.585 BTC [-]
[\]: hold on
mircea_popescu: listen to the sound
mircea_popescu: of silence
kakobrekla: theres a couple of things broken yea
kakobrekla: but at leat mp can yapp
kakobrekla: interfuckin with irc is not really clean.
kakobrekla: !up [\\\]
assbot: Voicing [\\\] for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: !up KRS-1
assbot: Voicing KRS-1 for 30 minutes.
KRS-1: ;;seen vexual
gribble: vexual was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 weeks, 2 days, 3 hours, 5 minutes, and 24 seconds ago: <Vexual> lasers in the eye is never good tat
mircea_popescu: !up TestingUnoDosTre
assbot: Voicing TestingUnoDosTre for 30 minutes.
TestingUnoDosTre: how does this work
mircea_popescu: you id with gribble and pm assbot !up
TestingUnoDosTre: id with gribble - is this a command?
mircea_popescu: same goes to Duffer1 :D
mircea_popescu: TestingUnoDosTre you not in the wot ?
Blazedout419: ;;guide
gribble: Error: "guide" is not a valid command.
TestingUnoDosTre: I know I know
Blazedout419: must be OTC only
Blazedout419: ;;turtle
gribble: Error: "turtle" is not a valid command.
mircea_popescu: ;;google thedrinkingrecord gpg guide
gribble: PGP/GPG Guide | Bingo Blog: <http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/pgpgpg-guide/>; Bingo Blog | - of Bitcoin and Boingo: <http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/>; Signature Thursday: Geany a GUI text editor for GPG tasks | Bingo ...: <http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2013/10/31/signature-thursday-geany-a-gui-text-editor-for-gpg-tasks/>
mircea_popescu: !up xdotcommer
assbot: Voicing xdotcommer for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: !up joesmoe
assbot: Voicing joesmoe for 30 minutes.
kakobrekla: i will need to rewrite this. tomorrow.
mircea_popescu: is it your client after all ?
kakobrekla: that i dunno and i doubt
kakobrekla: but i found some issues and i will redo the thing.
TestingUnoDosTre: can I PM people to up me if I haven't been upped?
TestingUnoDosTre: goooooood goooood
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell nubbins` and so i pass the torch of upping noobs to you, for i am old and tired
gribble: The operation succeeded.
TestingUnoDosTre: hey woh, no need for harsh language
TestingUnoDosTre: can I register just with a password until I get my key http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12600 @ 0.00096132 = 12.1126 BTC [-] {2}
mike_c: phew, i jumped the hurdles.
mike_c: for the record, i first tried "!up mike_c" and got a cryptic error message from assbot. must do just "!up"
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