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mircea_popescu: ;;later tell benkay "the secret discovery of these techniques was for the Tyrant merely a happy accident" << it was in fact. rsa was invented by some brit guy, kept under lock and key unused for 4 decades.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: guesses on what's up at bc?
mircea_popescu: they probably lost a hard drive, didn't have a proper array and can't restart till they fsck
ozbot: This is what the death of Moore’s law looks like: EUV rollout slowed, 450mm wafers halted, and an
mircea_popescu: random guess. their pr is mtgox-level atrocious, which is kinda sad after all these trilema articles on the topic
LordPutin: thisisagood read atm even goatgetsmentioned - http://www.scribd.com/doc/210845161/SEC-vs-pirateat40-1
bitcoinpete: indeed
mircea_popescu: Duffer1 this is kinda endemic, each nm size had it
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: considerably more interesting
bitcoinpete: i'm off for the eve, cheers
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9000 @ 0.00088815 = 7.9934 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: i linked that earlier! not so bad read
asciilifeform: if i recall you had the 'wrong' piece
asciilifeform: vs. 'wrong-er'
mircea_popescu: o i did ?
mircea_popescu: skimming ftw.
LordPutin: ahh ok
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 462 @ 0.00385 = 1.7787 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: this is my very first encounter with an english-speaking anybody who read Limonov.
asciilifeform: 'Limonov and his friends consider themselves Russians, because to them, Ukrainian is a “village tongue,” a peasant language, and its most vivid expressions are of the endless hatred that filled every one of the many tribes on the grasslands, like this one: “Into Muscovite, Polack, and Jew/Take your knife and stick it through.”'
LordPutin: despoisiton is pretty fun to read
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so what's your take on the holodomor ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 57 @ 0.003872 = 0.2207 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: j. c. scott's 'art of not being governed' (which is entirely about asia, incidentally, and mentions this not at all) is the best guide;
asciilifeform: what should fuhrer do when his kingdom breaks into cities (starving) and countryside, which needs nothing from the cities
asciilifeform: in light of an urgent need to industrialize and resist conquest
mircea_popescu: i can readily see how something like that would create plenty of national identity.
mircea_popescu: "we are the people you tried to kill, and we will bury you"
asciilifeform: that's russia in 1 sentence.
asciilifeform: since 14th c. or so.
mircea_popescu: anyway, good point in pando article, re the "party line". it suffers from spina bifida, and will crumble into dust
asciilifeform: granted, being on receiving end isn't terribly fun.
mircea_popescu: (one of the best predictors of who will be defeated in any conflict is see whose messages don't manage to coallesce, displaying instead dualities)
chetty: Is there a bitbet yet on when it formally becomes war?
asciilifeform: 'Western meds aren't working any more—on itself or anyone else.'
mircea_popescu: chetty i doubt anyone has the nazi esprit de corps to actually declare wars anymore.
asciilifeform: the 'international komoonity' doesn't war. it drive-by shoots.
chetty: Putin is set to respond to Obama's sanctions of Russian officials with his own list. Several U.S. Senators and officials will be banned from visiting Russia, including Sen. Dick Durbin.
mircea_popescu: im curious how much us t's is russia holding in offshore accounts
mircea_popescu: because if they do hold enough they're going to trigger a contest with the chinese as to who dumps them first
mircea_popescu: and that, for the first time since 2008, is actually a clear path tho the end.
chetty: its like school yard fights ... oh yeah, your mother wears combat boots
mircea_popescu: "The two versions of Russia—McCain’s “gas station masquerading as a country” and Lake’s fearsome conqueror—both start from the same bitter knowledge, even if Senator McCain and Mr. Lake will never admit that fact in public. It’s a simple one: Russia will take Crimea, won’t pay a big price for it, and there’s not a thing anyone can do about it."
asciilifeform: 'Russia promised to respond “symmetrically.” In its arsenal is: popping the huge financial bubble and causing a resumption of the financial collapse of 2008 by any number of means, from requiring gold instead of fiat currency as payment for oil and gas, to dumping US dollar reserves (in concert with China), to putting the EU on a fast track to economic collapse by giving the natural gas valve a slight clock
asciilifeform: wise twist...'
mircea_popescu: nah, they're never stoppin gthe gas. putin is much too smart for that.
mircea_popescu: they may add a say 30% surcharge for any us exports just for fun tho.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: argentina! clever fellow, you are.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'wisdom is hopping on the train a day before everybody else' (leo szilard)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i just get my news earlier than everyone else that's all.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00387264 = 0.3873 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: "Russia finished the final stage of the East Siberia-Pacific Ocean (ESPO) Pipeline in 2013."
mircea_popescu: this is actually a very good point. putin also gets his news early.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1181 @ 0.00088407 = 1.0441 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 300 @ 0.0038741 = 1.1622 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: Eto myf aahaha
mircea_popescu: Это миф he means.
benkay: ah so then i guess not really a product of the usg then, mircea_popescu
benkay: anyways, flight was great - *my* pet redhead is making steaks, and then we're off to the wine bar to seduce the flight attendant
mircea_popescu: ;;google clifford cocks
benkay: (i give it a 1/10 - fukken blasted from a weekend with family; barely capable of satisfying the one i have)
gribble: Clifford Cocks - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clifford_Cocks>; Q&A: The encryption pioneer who was written out of history ... - PC Pro: <http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/security/361669/q-a-the-encryption-pioneer-who-was-written-out-of-history>; Wired 7.04: The Open Secret: <http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/7.04/crypto_pr.html>
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31400 @ 0.00088766 = 27.8725 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: the disadvantage of being a loyal servant of a small yet arrogant country.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.003874 = 0.7748 BTC [-]
benkay: oh also saint paddy's day so doucheparade is out
benkay: no flight attendants for meee :(
mircea_popescu: benkay ironically, i would say the average paid per webpage today far exceeds the height of the dot com bubble.
benkay: ;;later tell bitcoinpete nice to see someone reading closely.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: what did the obamacare webjournal cost again ?
benkay: whaaaat really?
mircea_popescu: just think. now the govt is buying.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.60988391 = 4.2692 BTC [-] {3}
benkay: we do shit for 50-100k that woulda run in the millions a decade ago.
mircea_popescu: but most of the shit we do today costs 5mn, and would have cost 500 to make 15 years ago.
benkay: ;;later tell bitcoinpete let me know when you find the joke about mircea_popescu's cock
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: take the pando chick (who apparently is actually the tard that did that horror interview with zuckerberg) :
benkay: what sorts of things are you talking about now?
ozbot: Why I Started PandoDaily | PandoDaily
mircea_popescu: I’ve paid a WordPress designer named Sara Cannon $8,000 to build this site.
benkay: i'm thinking more along the lines of 2fa implementations
benkay: which coulda been did for nothing with gpg
mircea_popescu: 8k for a wp "design". you hear me ?
mircea_popescu: and this is a start-up, by some journo chick which supposedly knows what time it is.
chetty: well given the million for the Ocare site, sounds cheap :P
chetty: millions*
mircea_popescu: if you average it all out... it costs more today than it did in 2002.
benkay: the design stuff?
mircea_popescu: per site
benkay: implying it could be had for less and that honey was ripped off?
mircea_popescu: as a business concept.
chetty: and somehow they all look the same ..
mircea_popescu: also, you ever heard the word panopticon before ?
chetty: its where we live, the perfect prison
benkay: i have!
benkay: (i was briefly educated by people)
benkay: can't say as much stuck, and i missed out on the apparently crucial canings...
benkay: but yeah panopticon is the thing lurking in that post
ozbot: The Myth of the Non-Technical Startup Employee, by Zoelle Egner | Model View Culture
benkay: i always figured the ops people were interchangeable by virtue of their labor being by and large totally fungible
benkay: the ones whose labor wasn't, weren't. granted those are "controllers" and what have you, not "office managers" or "directors of employee happiness".
mircea_popescu: a good office manager can be worth a lot
mircea_popescu: it really all depends
benkay: hm yeah
benkay: trying to figure out the knobs on the "how to get coffee made for me and a whole bunch of other shit done too for not a terrific amount of money"
mircea_popescu: they're not borrowing at 0
mircea_popescu: they're borrowing at 0.25
benkay: a ty
benkay: pretty close, tho
benkay: baaaasically zero compared to the btc rate
benkay: which, hey
benkay: what is the borrowing rate these days?
mircea_popescu: For one, nobody knows how many dollars exist in the world, and furthermore one can never trust the government to not simply double the number of dollars in circulation, thereby halving the value of your savings (provided you were stupid enough to actually keep them in cash).
mircea_popescu: that's only half the story.
mircea_popescu: "thereby halving the value of cash savings, and piling a ton of taxeable "capital gains" on your non cash savings"
benkay: oh ho
mircea_popescu: if i own a sheep worth 10 dollars today, and the fed prints another 20 trillion dollars
benkay: oh god
mircea_popescu: i will have then owned a sheep worth 10 dollars + 10 mnore dolars in unrealised gains.
benkay: oh i get it
mircea_popescu: and that second part is really the big part.
cazalla: i thought pando was backed by that techcrunch guy
benkay: arrington?
cazalla: yeah
mircea_popescu: nah, just some chick he maybe shagged
benkay: his name's on the investors list is it not?
mircea_popescu: (under his aol contract he can't possibly start a pando)
mircea_popescu: read through the lines here.
cazalla: stumping up 8k for the design might be a cover for that
mircea_popescu: this being written as a sort of pulp fiction-esque prequel of today's lineup.
benkay: i'm sorry, i do not understand.
mircea_popescu: i ain't spoiling it for you.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 903 @ 0.00049 = 0.4425 BTC [-] {2}
benkay: there's more in the queue for today?
mircea_popescu: im off to bed.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 66 @ 0.003874 = 0.2557 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20180 @ 0.00088151 = 17.7889 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1000 @ 0.00379396 = 3.794 BTC [-] {9}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1000 @ 0.00051296 = 0.513 BTC [+] {4}
dexX7: ;;seen VanCleef
gribble: VanCleef was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 days, 13 hours, 10 minutes, and 54 seconds ago: <VanCleef> hehe tat
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 236 @ 0.00044055 = 0.104 BTC [-] {12}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 767 @ 0.00040712 = 0.3123 BTC [-] {19}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 33 @ 0.00387399 = 0.1278 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 45 @ 0.00374 = 0.1683 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 41 @ 0.0037 = 0.1517 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2564 @ 0.00389647 = 9.9905 BTC [+] {14}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 48 @ 0.00389999 = 0.1872 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 142 @ 0.00389999 = 0.5538 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00080303 = 7.3879 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2500 @ 0.00399343 = 9.9836 BTC [+] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.6098979 = 2.4396 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61 BTC [+]
ozbot: I met a certain Senator Al Franken this weekend and my friend saw an opportun
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12400 @ 0.00080303 = 9.9576 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61399 BTC [+]
LordPutin: is this asicminer news good or meh?
BingoBoingo: What news?
ozbot: [ANN]ASICMiner Publicly Looking for Potential Customers/Partners for New Chips
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61399 BTC [+]
jurov: 0.00213451
jurov: 0.00213451
ozbot: CORRECTED-Fortress-linked Pantera invested $10 mln in Bitstamp - Bloomberg
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25400 @ 0.00079863 = 20.2852 BTC [-]
jurov: so it's the same company as made XRP?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10150 @ 0.00079863 = 8.1061 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 475 @ 0.00395 = 1.8763 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 420 @ 0.00213452 = 0.8965 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 3000 @ 0.00399745 = 11.9924 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1000 @ 0.00405911 = 4.0591 BTC [+] {10}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 745 @ 0.00408876 = 3.0461 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 180 @ 0.00408899 = 0.736 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 26 @ 0.004089 = 0.1063 BTC [+] {3}
LordPutin: lol why are people buying neobee? danny is in a coma
dexX7: jurov: i don't think so, but i'm surprised, too. http://www.coindesk.com/bitstamp-got-10m-fortress-linked-hedge-fund-last-year-bloomberg/ this is a more detailed article, but still doesn't mention ripple's role. guess they also received a slice of the cake.
dexX7: LordPutin: strange, fc's post disappeared
dexX7: nice leak hehehe
LordPutin: yeah it is gone :/
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.61514333 = 3.6909 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 4312 @ 0.004089 = 17.6318 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6199 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00408999 = 0.409 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 488 @ 0.004089 = 1.9954 BTC [-]
LordPutin: still dont know if its this is good news or meh
dexX7: this is good news =D
Duffer1: avalon gen3 chip launch and active mining big announcement scheduled for same day.....
LordPutin: active mining is still relevant?
dexX7: i didn't know that. did avalon already publish the spec?
Duffer1: actm is a never ending labcoin
dexX7: ^ agreed
dexX7: but i didn't follow. i think auto said "it's legit".. but i have my doubts
ozbot: Avalon ASIC - Leading Bitcoin Auditing Equipment
Duffer1: actm? i sincerely doubt it's legit
dexX7: someone visited ken or so
Duffer1: i know several labcoin victims are also actm bagholders, i hope for their sake i'm wrong
dexX7: yea, same here
auto2nr1: whats going on guys
LordPutin: how come labcoin got away with it?
auto2nr1: damn labcoin
Duffer1: they haven't LP
auto2nr1: hey duffer1
auto2nr1: you still up?
Duffer1: yea i'm still not sleeping well
dexX7: you're from the us, right?
Duffer1: ya west coasxt
LordPutin: what do you mean they haven't? Are they facing legalaction?
Duffer1: there are people working on it, but no arrests made afaik
Duffer1: yet
LordPutin: ahh ok
ozbot: labcoin lawsuit
LordPutin: thanks
LordPutin: i hope they get bent over
dexX7: haha yea, we all do
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 26 @ 0.00408997 = 0.1063 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 110 @ 0.00590853 = 0.6499 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 80 @ 0.00408997 = 0.3272 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1754 @ 0.00409269 = 7.1786 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.066001 = 0.33 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.619945 = 3.7197 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06500004 = 0.13 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SMG] 1316 @ 0.00008385 = 0.1103 BTC [+] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 240 @ 0.00417446 = 1.0019 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 17 @ 0.00590004 = 0.1003 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 25 @ 0.00417446 = 0.1044 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 300 @ 0.00417446 = 1.2523 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 30 @ 0.00417446 = 0.1252 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 119 @ 0.00417446 = 0.4968 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 36 @ 0.62196995 = 22.3909 BTC [+] {8}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3152 @ 0.00079699 = 2.5121 BTC [-]
blackwhite: Kids make coins by exercising. The energy they create gets used to mining.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 19 @ 0.053 = 1.007 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3470 @ 0.00079863 = 2.7712 BTC [+]
gribble: Time since last block: 1 minute and 44 seconds
LordPutin: does mpex have a internship program?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.62998999 = 3.7799 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: o wow look at that, bcinfo still down
LordPutin: oh cool, where does one apply?
LordPutin: oh ok, i'm nervous
Mats_cd03: i hope you have a tie on
Mats_cd03: i hear mircea_popescu is a fashionista
mircea_popescu: definitely.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36350 @ 0.00080226 = 29.1622 BTC [+]
ughlol: Mats_cd03: yeah, look at his twitter background, for example!
LordPutin: i like versace
LordPutin: they have a good quality
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1871 @ 0.00015996 = 0.2993 BTC [+] {4}
ThickAsThieves: ;;estimate
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 4687115861.98 based on data since last change | 4794469217.54 based on data for last three days
ThickAsThieves: ;;bcstats
gribble: Current Blocks: 291165 | Current Difficulty: 4250217919.8695 | Next Difficulty At Block: 292319 | Next Difficulty In: 1154 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 3 hours, 29 minutes, and 50 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 4687115861.98 | Estimated Percent Change: 10.27942
mircea_popescu: holy shit 10%
Apocalyptic: did you expect any less ?
ThickAsThieves: itll be more like 17-22% by the time it changes
mircea_popescu: was a bet about 10% neh ?
ThickAsThieves: that thered be one less than 10
ozbot: BitBet - BTC difficulty to increase by less than 10%
mircea_popescu: i was rooting for it :p
ThickAsThieves: I suspect AM's gen3 chips will hit the scene in a week or 3
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.06500003 = 0.26 BTC [-] {2}
dexX7: do you still have board member rights?
dexX7: well, don't answer.
dexX7: but i agree
ThickAsThieves: I do not
ThickAsThieves: I own no AM shares
ThickAsThieves: dun dun dun
dexX7: yep, the ownership was changed
ThickAsThieves: I consider it to be grossly overvalued
dexX7: friedcat leaked (?!) the specs of the chip earlier
ThickAsThieves: who knows
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 35 @ 0.004002 = 0.1401 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: currently AM is valued at 252,000BTC, or $151,200,000
dexX7: what was mpex' market cap again?
ThickAsThieves: 1b shares
ThickAsThieves: 802260BTC
BingoBoingo: ;;calc 0.00080226 * 1000000000
gribble: 802260
ThickAsThieves: $481,356,000
dexX7: ah
ThickAsThieves: I think AM is at least more obviously overpriced
ThickAsThieves: the hardest part of both is valuing the intangibles
ThickAsThieves: how long will Friedcat persist? how much of an advantage does he really have? will he achieve dominance in the market?
LordPutin: tat how come you left am?
ThickAsThieves: Many reasons
ThickAsThieves: mostly related to representing them via a passthrough
ThickAsThieves: and how I no longer wanted to
LordPutin: ahh ok, thanks
LordPutin: yeah way over valued
ThickAsThieves: whereas with MPEx, while it is no claim to MP's personal wealth
ThickAsThieves: it does have access to his influence
ThickAsThieves: what is Apple without Jobs?
ThickAsThieves: while it has* no claim
only: please excuse my ignorance, but who runs havelock?
LordPutin: yeah true apple is truely lost without jobs
ThickAsThieves: The Panama Fund
only: yes, but who is behind it?
BingoBoingo: Who knows?
ThickAsThieves: they have a phone number
ThickAsThieves: call them and ask
BingoBoingo: Why did Dr. Banner become the Hulk, yet Dr. Slotin the closest thing the Hulk has to an opposite?
LordPutin: i tried calling them but some guy called Dave from fbi picked up
ThickAsThieves: LTC seems to be showing signs of life again
ThickAsThieves: apparently the Chinese love it
LordPutin: yeh?
ozbot: Frozen for 1,600 years, Antarctic moss revived
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: Convert them to ATC.
ThickAsThieves: It was nice knowing everyone
ThickAsThieves: in a few days we'll all be Creep Show moss monsters
ThickAsThieves: BingoBoingo, I have a feeling that nationality of the creator plays a part in their interest in LTC
ThickAsThieves: alas, I am not Chinese
ThickAsThieves: maybe I can rally the Portuguese instead?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.62999 = 2.52 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: How do they know that? Maybe they will find it an exotic creation of the mythical "Florida Man"
ThickAsThieves: that's the biggest reason i hate living in florida
LordPutin: i'm 1/3 gay, chinese and muslim, i win in the future
ThickAsThieves: the notion that i'm actually from here
BingoBoingo: Oh, a Jewish New York retiree then?
BingoBoingo: Cuban?
ThickAsThieves: afaik there is only one major place the Portuguese reside on the East Coast
ThickAsThieves: Massachusetts
ozbot: Top 101 cities with the most residents born in Portugal (population 500+)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.63266333 = 1.898 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: You'd think that without a delimiter, some Portugese cities might be on the list...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.63470833 = 7.6165 BTC [+] {2}
ThickAsThieves: "We've collected and analyzed data from numerous sources to create as complete and interesting profiles of all U.S. cities as we could. "
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.63849999 = 1.277 BTC [+] {2}
ThickAsThieves: Apparently Rhode Island has more in total
ThickAsThieves: but RI is pretty much MA
BingoBoingo: Imma still working on the MP emails post.
ThickAsThieves: do you have an angle not covered by Benkay and bitcoinpete?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 122 @ 0.00409999 = 0.5002 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: There's always at least a third angle
ThickAsThieves: then i look forward to it!
BingoBoingo: And there's definitely room for saying the same things in another tone and with different words. Even if nearly the same essential thing is said.
LordPutin: so um whats a good investment?
LordPutin: i really need to pay for my daughters surgery soon
ThickAsThieves: health insurance?
BingoBoingo: An MD?
BingoBoingo: Residency?
BingoBoingo: "Soon" is really much too short of a timeline to invest for.
LordPutin: i mean in bitcoin securties
LordPutin: please help shes dying
bitmia: so ugh, I've been skimming the logs for quite a while. there's no point in doing a multisig Bitcoin marketplace, is there?
BingoBoingo: Nothing can promise positive returns on the timeline of soon. Not even things which might probably realize a positive return on the timeline of, quite a ways in the future.
BingoBoingo: bitmia: No real reason for multisig at least
LordPutin: i'm so scared, i failed her as a father
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00613809 = 0.6138 BTC [+] {5}
bitmia: well, at least some hot wallet protection + a guarantee we won't run with user's money
bitmia: given the fact we publish the escrow on github and make it possible to check the hash sum
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 106 @ 0.00406885 = 0.4313 BTC [+] {4}
bitmia: does it make sense?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 93 @ 0.00409999 = 0.3813 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32900 @ 0.00080507 = 26.4868 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: bitmia: Well, either you can be trusted to run a marketplace or you can't. Maybe some people trust you and some don't.
bitmia: when people are forced to take a leap of faith, conversion suffers
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00391354 = 0.7827 BTC [-] {9}
ozbot: Ottawa bitcoin exchange defrauded of $100,000 in cyber currency
nubbins`: ^ canadianbitcoins.com
ThickAsThieves: too slow!
ThickAsThieves: by like 15 secs
ThickAsThieves: that's topace's thing
ThickAsThieves: hopefully he can rape the provider for his losses and then some
bitmia: BingoBoingo: so what do you consider bad in doing a multisig one? usability?
BingoBoingo: bitmia: Well, what would you want the multisig to do that couldn't otherwise be accomplished?
bitmia: BingoBoingo: nothing, it's an extra
bitmia: to increase conversion
BingoBoingo: bitmia: Well, what ways are there to do what multisig does which would be both A) less of a hassle and B) accomplish your goal more effectively
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves nubbins`: Dat Social engineering
bitmia: BingoBoingo: encrypt buyer's privkey on the server using his password, automatically sign the transaction with the seller's key, show the buyer a flashy "finalize" button?
BingoBoingo: bitmia: This confusion you are showing you you use words like privkey and automatically sign, is a common one
BingoBoingo: Now if you want to trust something stronger than passwords that is admirable.
BingoBoingo: bitmia: Have you ever authenticated with Gribble before?
bitmia: yes, why?
BingoBoingo: bitmia: Which way do you usually authenticate?
bitmia: decrypting a pgp encrypted message?
BingoBoingo: bitmia: And does Gribble ever have to possess your private key for this to happen?
bitmia: I see where you're going with this, it's simply a pain in the ass to do multisig
nubbins`: ThickAsThieves: let's hope so, pretty shocking lack of security
bitmia: BingoBoingo: will 2FA suffice, you think?
BingoBoingo: bitmia: Well, I was more going for it is problematic to have multisig where all of the keys live on the same server.
BingoBoingo: bitmia: Why not have people authenticate by decrypting or signing a challenge, like gribble does?
bitmia: cause it won't be A) less of a hassle
BingoBoingo: bitmia: But, it handles authentication much better.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.62467 = 1.874 BTC [-] {3}
BingoBoingo: If there was a conjunction is this language that functioned as a one way or such that [(A&B) or B] I would have use it instead
ThickAsThieves: LTC at .03btc
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00383141 = 0.1916 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41600 @ 0.00080661 = 33.555 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 601 @ 0.00381444 = 2.2925 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.62001002 BTC [-]
Apocalyptic: dat LTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17600 @ 0.00079968 = 14.0744 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 53 @ 0.00373723 = 0.1981 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.62 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.62001002 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 78 @ 0.00373722 = 0.2915 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00373722 = 0.3737 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 77 @ 0.00373723 = 0.2878 BTC [+]
benkay: bitmia: if you're trying to make a crypto-related thing less of a hassle, you're undermining the point of crypto-things.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.638898 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 69 @ 0.00613871 = 0.4236 BTC [+] {6}
blackwhite_: ok guys I have a question. I am considering buying a trading website and turning it into a site based on bitcoin data instead. Is there any good sources for realtime bitcoin data?
ThickAsThieves: youre probably late to that game
Mats_cd03: dont waste your money and buy some mpex stock instead
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 10000 @ 0.00015055 = 1.5055 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 150 @ 0.00397011 = 0.5955 BTC [+] {4}
Mats_cd03: or hire a few programmers that know their shit and build your own brand, what do you need a trading website for?
blackwhite_: The source engine is already build. The rest I can do myself.
blackwhite_: and the price for the platform is 380USD so not really sure I will be wasting money even if it goes titis up :)
punkman: blackwhite_, retrofitting whatever you are buying is gonna be a hassle
blackwhite_: yeah perhaps
nubbins`: especially if you don't already know where you're getting your data from
nubbins`: JUST SAYIN
blackwhite_: why is that a problem?
blackwhite_: I can figure that out
nubbins`: if you can figure it out, why ask us?
blackwhite_: by among other things asking in this channel :)
blackwhite_: well because this is a good place to ask
nubbins`: "hey guys i'd like to open a sandwich shop, is there any place i can buy deli meats in bulk?"
blackwhite_: huh?
nubbins`: know what i mean?
blackwhite_: no I don't
nubbins`: then you're doomed
blackwhite_: i am asking in this channel because there are a lot of knowledgeable people here
nubbins`: sure
blackwhite_: so whats the problem?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5000 @ 0.00015002 = 0.7501 BTC [-] {4}
nubbins`: the problem is, you're getting ahead of yourself
blackwhite_: you think just because I don't get an answer here I won't have any other options
nubbins`: the first thing you should do is figure out where to get your data from
blackwhite_: so that is what I am doing right now
nubbins`: if your first instinct is to pop on irc and ask someone rather than do a simple google search which would have already given you answers...
nubbins`: ...then you're not ready to run a business of any sort
nubbins`: sorry
blackwhite_: i have run several businesses m8.
nubbins`: hurts, but it's just the way it is
nubbins`: gr8 m8
nubbins`: y w8?
blackwhite_: but sure there are always people like you around to make sure no one does things the way you don't want them to be done
nubbins`: hey, it makes no difference to me
blackwhite_: you are getting ahead of yourself assuming things you have no knowledge about.
nubbins`: just a downer when people pop in here asking others to do their basic research for them
chetty: well maybe if you had asked, hey guys, what do you think of X as a data soirce ... just sayin
nubbins`: then flap their gums at the people who tell 'em to do their homework
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 6 @ 0.11950724 = 0.717 BTC [-]
nubbins`: hence my comment about the sandwich shop
punkman: blackwhite_, I have the thing you want, but like nubbins` is saying...
nubbins`: seriously guys where do i buy bulk deli meat?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 37 @ 0.00613985 = 0.2272 BTC [+]
nubbins`: i could just google "bulk deli meat <my area>" but figured i'd spend 10 minutes wasting the time of a bunch of strangers instead
nubbins`: because i've run several businesses m8
blackwhite_: don't worry guys. I won't rob you of your precious knowledge. Someone already answered me.
nubbins`: gr8 b8 m8
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 19 @ 0.00613999 = 0.1167 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.629998 BTC [-]
nubbins`: you can't rob knowledge, it's only shared
nubbins`: or not shared, depending on the prior effort of the person asking
blackwhite_: I have done my homework but sure i haven't talked much in this channel so I can understand why some feel like i am just popping in
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.63 = 1.26 BTC [+]
blackwhite_: anyway I got a couple of good leads that I hadn't already heard about.
blackwhite_: l84
nubbins`: blackwhite_: here's a link, i'm seriously not being saucy: http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
blackwhite_: later
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 7 @ 0.03010001 = 0.2107 BTC [-] {2}
artifexd: nubbins` Interestingly, that link says that IRC is a good first place to ask.
blackwhite_: nubbins` i got my answers. See not everyone feels like they need to make a statement every time. Someone you know just like to help and make no fuzz about it.
artifexd: There is a whole section on "Before you ask" though...
bitmia: benkay: crypto-things are not bound to be complicated (ie not user-friendly)
nubbins`: blackwhite_: if i've frustrated you enough to make you waste your own time rather than someone else's when you next have a question, i've done my job
nubbins`: sorry if that offends, but c'est ça
blackwhite_: frustrated? That would mean that your opinion mattered. It doesn't so no worries.
nubbins` yawns
nubbins`: glad you haven't learned anything
nubbins`: onward through the fog...
blackwhite_: I learned something just not from you. Again no worries.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 934 @ 0.00389915 = 3.6418 BTC [-] {5}
nubbins`: indeed, none are worried :D
thestringpuller: can someone fill a bitcoin bar with tungsten for me?
thestringpuller: will pay 1 btfc
only: chetty warnings, sanctions. we have this saying in ukraine "the dog barks, the caravan moves on"
blackwhite_: https://xkcd.com/386/
ozbot: xkcd: Duty Calls
blackwhite_: it must be hard nubbins :)
ozbot: The Whet | a place for appetites
nubbins`: easiest thing in the world
nubbins`: besides, it's morning here
BingoBoingo: artifexd: Yes
punkman: thestringpuller: you can get them on alibaba
only: is she really a girl?
BingoBoingo: only: There are pics on trilema
LordPutin: only when mircea puts ona wig and tucks his willy between his legs
davout: only: yup
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 747 @ 0.00409964 = 3.0624 BTC [+] {3}
nubbins`: the whole "is pr fake? a woman? mp?" thing is pretty entertaining
nubbins`: especially given that the answer to all three questions is "who cares"
kakobrekla: only thats my personalized message on retardtalk
kakobrekla: namely Psi laju, karavani prolaze.
BingoBoingo: Crimea bet could get interesting, not enough to come close to resolving it yet, but http://politics.slashdot.org/story/14/03/18/1448248/russian-army-spetsnaz-units-arrested-operating-in-ukraine
davout: !t m x.eur
assbot: [MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0.00213452 / 0.00213452 / 0.00213452 (450 shares, 0.96 BTC), 7D: 0.00210539 / 0.00212399 / 0.00213452 (2081 shares, 4.42 BTC), 30D: 0.0019005 / 0.00210455 / 0.00226762 (7458 shares, 15.70 BTC)
artifexd: I was just contrasting the general "You suck" attitude of here bitcointalk posts with the general "You can do it" attitude of her blog posts. In particular, this post: http://thewhet.net/2012/this-is-it/
artifexd: *her
only: nubbins`: writing like she does is a rare thing for a woman
nubbins`: meh, read margaret atwood
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.0662 = 0.5296 BTC [+]
only: well, I said rare :)
only: rare enough to make me ask the question
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.05350555 = 0.4815 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.638 = 1.276 BTC [+]
nubbins`: margaret laurence, too
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.06500002 = 0.195 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.06450001 = 0.258 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.06444092 = 0.7089 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.06437002 = 0.2575 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 13 @ 0.05385383 = 0.7001 BTC [+] {2}
Mats_cd03: blackwhite: what an irritating sense of entitlement. have a nice day
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.05393184 = 0.6472 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.06400001 = 0.384 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.06400001 = 0.256 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.638 = 1.276 BTC [+]
HeySteve2: only, here is another thing that is rare in a woman
HeySteve2: your pee pee :D
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.63897333 = 3.8338 BTC [+] {3}
only: lol
only: good one
benkay: bitmia: complicated does not necessarily mean not user friendly
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06889999 = 0.1378 BTC [+]
benkay: for instance, i don't actually want to spend any time around people for whom gpg is challenging to use
chetty: uhoh
benkay: (dramatic overstatement, chetty)
chetty: hihi, well I admit I usually have to look up commands - sigh
davout: come on, gpg is user friendly!
bitmia: benkay: you'd certainly want that if you were a seller
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 996 @ 0.00400297 = 3.987 BTC [-] {5}
chetty: but as a buyer I dont really want my crypto too easy
benkay: so the point of the gpg claim is that if you can't read the gnu privacy guard manual, you're worthless
bitmia: chetty: easy ≠ insecure
benkay: bitmia: i don't really do mass-market plays.
chetty: nope the two are not really related, its all perception
benkay: mo users, mo problems.
bitmia: mo users, mo money in my book :)
benkay: classic startup circus attitude.
benkay: would we rather a billion pennies from a billion paupers, or individual clients with lifetime value to the firm in excess of 500B each?
benkay: this is a matter of personal preference, obviously.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.62501 = 1.25 BTC [-] {2}
chetty: there is room in this world for both kinds
benkay: of course
benkay: is there room in a given business model for serving both?
benkay: dunno, haven't seen any that satisfy the criteria yet.
benkay: maybe Eve?
benkay: one can buy impressive e-peen widgets in that game, and at nontrivial prices to boot.
bitmia: benkay, I was doing a marketplace, remember? how the fuck am I supposed to have individual clients with a lifetime value of 500B?
benkay: obviously you're going for pennies from paupers.
benkay: matter of personal taste, like i said.
bitmia: that's the point, and paupers don't like 'em private keys
benkay: which is what will keep them forever worth pennies.
benkay: inability or unwillingness to do the hard things necessary to raise personal value above a single dollar.
Mats_cd03: baww
bitmia: benkay, and what are the hard necessary things in a marketplace?
benkay: having something worth selling maybe?
benkay: kinda unclear question
benkay: hard for the guy building the marketplace or hard for the participants?
bitmia: what would you like to see in an ebay style, two-way Bitcoin marketplace? what security features
benkay: WoT integration would be neat
bitmia: both as a seller and a buyer
benkay: probably a non-starter around here without that.
davout: anyone else receiving fake wallet backups from blockchain.info?
Mats_cd03: phishing emails?
bitmia: benkay: I considered using an irc bot to create profiles for the ones that don't have them yet, but that would mean holding their privkeys for them. beats the purpose sortof
benkay: if i were building that thing (and i'm not, and we haven't even discussed the market use for such a thing in the wake of the other ebay clones that have failed), i'd make it a hard requirement for sellers to have WoT identities.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.34104034 BTC to 3`957 shares, 59162 satoshi per share
davout: Mats_cd03: e-mails containing a wallet backup ending in .jar
benkay: but if they have a bitcoin wallet, they can sign a thing.
bitmia: it is still unclear why they failed tho
benkay: yeah, well, occam
benkay: but irrelevant, you seem set on doing your thing
benkay: anyways.
benkay: gpg is not even necessary for wot participation, you should know.
benkay: a bitcoin wallet under user control would suffice
benkay: "but what about the coinbase and web wallet users?"
benkay: well man if you really want to scrape the bottom of the barrel, ain't nobody going to stop you.
chetty: make em use private wallets at least, get people off using webwallets
bitmia: the blockchain size is the ultimate demotivator
benkay: electrum bam
benkay: dood you need to do so much reading
bitmia: so wait, wait
benkay: grok spv?
bitmia: you want me to persuade users to use irc, electrum, pgp, what else?
benkay: you must have a reading problem.
benkay: electrum will suffice for identification.
benkay: "sign this thing."
thestringpuller: lol electrum
benkay: you can even proxy over to gribble yourself
benkay: electrum's still a thing, right thestringpuller?
benkay: are there any viable spv wallets kicking around?
thestringpuller: i'm too old for this conversation
thestringpuller: i turn 62 next month
thestringpuller: i'm not up to date with you young whipper snappers
BingoBoingo: benkay: I like Multibit, but haven't found comepelling cause to try versions newer than 0.5.11
benkay: ya well constant upgrades are the fruit of the devil
benkay: so bitmia go learn about simple payment verification and why people don't actually need the whole blockchain on disk.
bitmia_: hm, what about a browser extension to include the wot (proxied over to gribble) and the escrow thing?
benkay: sounds like an implementation detail to me.
thestringpuller: just download the block chain
thestringpuller: you broke ass niggas
thestringpuller: 20 gigs costs less than a beer
bitmia_: if only it took less time than a week
benkay: yeah but thestringpuller don't you understand bitmia_'s customers can barely swing a bitcent ;)
bitmia: benkay: but really, why do you think bitmit/coingig went to shit?
benkay: because bitcoin isn't a consumer technology.
bitmia: and never will be?
benkay: how many on the welfare roles own a single troy oz?
bitmia: you can't teleport silver, can you?
bitmia: but yeah, got your point
benkay: don't get too discouraged
benkay: you're doing everything right
benkay: just lurk moar
benkay: ;;ident bitmia
gribble: Nick 'bitmia', with hostmask 'bitmia!~bitmia@unaffiliated/bitmia', is not identified.
benkay: ;;gettrust bitmia
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user bitmia: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=bitmia | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=bitmia | Rated since: never
benkay: you're even in the web!
benkay: i don't even believe it
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 499 @ 0.00400007 = 1.996 BTC [-] {4}
bitmia: does everyone here agree that bitcoin cannot be a consumer technology? want to get this straight
bitmia: I'm enjoying myself a lot when I buy or sell for Bitcoin. means I'm dumb?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.6200001 = 1.24 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06889979 = 0.1378 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.06796652 = 0.2039 BTC [-] {2}
benkay: people enjoy wasting money on satoshi dice too
benkay: if you enjoy spending bitcoin, eventually you'll have none.
LordPutin: anyone have a squawker box link they listen to for real world financial markets?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 417 @ 0.00415813 = 1.7339 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 36 @ 0.06893232 = 2.4816 BTC [+] {10}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 25 @ 0.0045 = 0.1125 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.06958767 = 0.2088 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 38 @ 0.00600007 = 0.228 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 95 @ 0.00403684 = 0.3835 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19450 @ 0.00080054 = 15.5705 BTC [+] {2}
ozbot: Regulation of Magic | Bingo Blog
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 157 @ 0.00417206 = 0.655 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.06999998 = 0.28 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 53 @ 0.07 = 3.71 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.05389 = 0.2156 BTC [+]
benkay: roll tide!
benkay: no no BingoBoingo they'll comply within 2 weeks, you see
artifexd: BingoBoingo Your link to bitcoinpete's blog is broken.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0675 = 0.2025 BTC [+] {3}
MisterE: LTC on Huboi pump on now
MisterE: check the volumes
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.06849999 = 0.137 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00415 = 0.415 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 28 @ 0.00415 = 0.1162 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 102 @ 0.00417439 = 0.4258 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 353 @ 0.00417439 = 1.4736 BTC [+] {2}
test123: hello
test123: hello
thestringpuller: PING PONG
benkay: hola test123
Ishatmyself: sup ladies
LordPutin: hi babe
benkay: .bait
benkay: .bait
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 105 @ 0.0041744 = 0.4383 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 596 @ 0.00419445 = 2.4999 BTC [+] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 26 @ 0.00423069 = 0.11 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.6205 = 3.723 BTC [+] {2}
MisterE: .bagholder
benkay: nice.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38202 @ 0.00080268 = 30.664 BTC [+] {2}
benkay: yeah you buy a shitton of mpoe at 80k
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 185 @ 0.004242 = 0.7848 BTC [+]
benkay: nom nom nom
benkay: !t h rent
assbot: [HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00550000 / 0.00566827 / 0.00568660 (31 shares, 0.17571650 BTC), 7D: 0.00510111 / 0.00590703 / 0.00647960 (1779 shares, 10.50861044 BTC), 30D: 0.00510111 / 0.00556068 / 0.00900001 (51251 shares, 284.99064045 BTC)
benkay: har back at par
benkay: anyone know if rent's paid divs yet?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 572 @ 0.00428698 = 2.4522 BTC [+] {4}
LordPutin: why not ask in the #rentalstarter room
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.00429 = 2.145 BTC [+]
benkay: ugh because i don't want that on my shoes
LordPutin: okey wait i'm asking for u
LordPutin: on saturday
test123: does it still cost 30btc to join MPEx
LordPutin: yeah it does
KRS-1: worth it
test123: coinbr is only alternative way to access?
benkay: you could ask someone to broker a transaction for you
LordPutin: benkay thy've paid out 2 divs so far
LordPutin: and another one coming up this sat
benkay: ;;google drinking record counterparties
gribble: A Reminder – The Most Important Word in Bitcoin, Again because Gox: <http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/02/25/a-reminder-the-most-important-word-in-bitcoin-again-because-gox/>; Why Fractional Reserve Can't Work in Bitcoin | Bingo Blog: <http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2013/11/11/fractional-reserve-bitcoins/>; Bingo Blog | - of Bitcoin and Boingo: (1 more message)
benkay: test123 ^^
benkay: if you're going the brokered transaction route
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 116 @ 0.00429 = 0.4976 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 123 @ 0.00429 = 0.5277 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.07328271 = 0.8061 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.073 = 0.657 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 181 @ 0.00429 = 0.7765 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.63699992 = 2.548 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 41 @ 0.00428999 = 0.1759 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 143 @ 0.00420063 = 0.6007 BTC [-] {3}
nubbins`: !t h hif
assbot: [HAVELOCK:HIF] 1D: 0.00039967 / 0.00047251 / 0.00051299 (2962 shares, 1.39957800 BTC), 7D: 0.00039967 / 0.00049703 / 0.00056898 (22353 shares, 11.11019720 BTC), 30D: 0.00036000 / 0.00049595 / 0.00057500 (71086 shares, 35.25533251 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28300 @ 0.00079956 = 22.6275 BTC [-] {3}
benkay: !t b pif
assbot: Um, shouldn't you be with your own tribe or somethin'?
imsaguy: ThickAsThieves: ping
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 299 @ 0.00434179 = 1.2982 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 846 @ 0.00434999 = 3.6801 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 37 @ 0.60626459 = 22.4318 BTC [-] {13}
hdbuck: !t h AM1
assbot: [HAVELOCK:AM1] 1D: 0.59000000 / 0.6174602 / 0.63900000 (196 shares, 121.02219937 BTC), 7D: 0.57000000 / 0.60139755 / 0.63999990 (1027 shares, 617.63528627 BTC), 30D: 0.45000000 / 0.56496539 / 0.68000000 (3714 shares, 2098.28145633 BTC)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00600286 = 0.6003 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 30 @ 0.004349 = 0.1305 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 25 @ 0.0043 = 0.1075 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.11950724 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.11950724 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 57 @ 0.0042 = 0.2394 BTC [-] {4}
ozbot: 4.250 billion | Next Diff in 1109 blocks | Estimated Change: 9.8846% in 6d 22h 12m 27s
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 115 @ 0.00419021 = 0.4819 BTC [-] {2}
ozbot: Greek Bank Issues Bond at 5%. Really - MoneyBeat - WSJ
benkay: wat
ThickAsThieves: kakobrekla, when can we have AltBet.us?
kakobrekla: on btc/usd atc/usd parity
kakobrekla: best bet is usd being worth 0.
ThickAsThieves: some super-servant you are...
kakobrekla: fuck this life, for one night you dont suck a dick and suddenly you are not a hoe anymore.
ThickAsThieves: sucking dick makes the world go round
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 108 @ 0.00595685 = 0.6433 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00592699 = 0.5927 BTC [-] {3}
kakobrekla: yeah well
kakobrekla: you do it tonight!
jurov just had it done
thestringpuller: ThickAsThieves: can't you just make your own altbet.us?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00591 = 0.591 BTC [-] {2}
ThickAsThieves: i'm owed too many BJs as it is
ThickAsThieves: no reason to put bad debt after good
ThickAsThieves: <thestringpuller> ThickAsThieves: can't you just make your own altbet.us // No, first i wouldnt wanna rip off kako
ThickAsThieves: second, i dont have the means
thestringpuller: no programming for you?
ThickAsThieves: as little as possible at least
ThickAsThieves: being a programmer wouldnt be enough anyway
benkay: no wai
benkay: u just php
benkay: and then bitcoin
ThickAsThieves: altcoin!
benkay: sure whatever
thestringpuller: what's the altcoin site again?
kakobrekla: therealbitcoin.com
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.07 = 0.49 BTC [-]
Apocalyptic: such fail
ThickAsThieves: therealaltcoin.org
jurov: thestringpuller: pm
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 112 @ 0.00418999 = 0.4693 BTC [+]
dR3: woh...blockr.io hostname for ATC. tightness.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 168 @ 0.00419 = 0.7039 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07 = 0.35 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 28 @ 0.0055 = 0.154 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 250 @ 0.00419 = 1.0475 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11800 @ 0.00080178 = 9.461 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 112 @ 0.00418026 = 0.4682 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13600 @ 0.00080326 = 10.9243 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 48 @ 0.00419 = 0.2011 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 131 @ 0.00419 = 0.5489 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07 = 0.35 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 39 @ 0.0029326 = 0.1144 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17188 @ 0.00080326 = 13.8064 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 307 @ 0.00419 = 1.2863 BTC [+]
dexX7: ;;tslb
gribble: Error: Problem retrieving latest block data.
dexX7: i hate u
dexX7: does gribble pull data from bc.i?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 78 @ 0.004144 = 0.3232 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35200 @ 0.00080565 = 28.3589 BTC [+] {3}
Neil: ;bc,stats
Neil: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 291221 | Current Difficulty: 4.2502179198695354E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 292319 | Next Difficulty In: 1098 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 21 hours, 18 minutes, and 36 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 4652331064.67 | Estimated Percent Change: 9.461
Neil: Ooh, 9.46%
Neil: Dese blocks definitely slowing down
Neil: blockchain.info fucked again
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.053 = 0.106 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0666 = 0.1332 BTC [-]
cazalla: good luck but i'm still betting against you Neil :)
Neil: cazalla: I tend to agree it'll be above 10%, but not a lot above
Neil: I don't think we'll ever see a 25% (perhaps even 20%) difficulty rise again.
cazalla: it'll be an awesome win if it does remain under 10%
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 187 @ 0.004144 = 0.7749 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.00541 = 0.2705 BTC [-]
novusordo: !help
assbot: List of commands:
assbot: !ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !t}
assbot: !last <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns last price value, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !l}
assbot: !mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)
assbot: !rules <nick/chan> (desc: chan guidelines) {short: !r}
assbot: !exchanges <nick/chan> (desc: lists exchanges and brokers) {short: !e}
assbot: !jd (desc: returns relevant stats from https://just-dice.com)
assbot: !bash <lines> (desc: bashes last <lines> lines to bash) {short: !b}
assbot: !quote <lines> (desc: quotes last <lines> lines and returns dpaste url) {short: !q}
novusordo: !ticker HAVELOCK AM1
assbot: I don't give a shit who saw what and who did what or who did who.
novusordo: me either, assbot
bitcoinpte: ;;later tell benkay haha I just noticed your excellent use of "Bin Popescu"! You also made me realize that it should've been "ben" (also note the lowercase "b", eg. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jose_ben_Johanan). Also, I'm really hoping that MP being "the hardest target in Bitcoin" is the sexual euphemism I think it is. Lastly, given your iOS cryptoproject, what are your thoughts on Glyph?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
benkay: bitcoinpte: that would be the dick joke i mentioned last night, yes.
bitcoinpte: ;;later tell BingoBoingo looks like you forgot to add "http://" to the URL linking my SEC post from yours :)
gribble: The operation succeeded.
bitcoinpte: benkay: snappy
benkay: bitcoinpte: i'm lo these many years out of the synagogue, so thanks for the correction. i'll ship it with some other updates.
benkay: bitcoinpete: finally, glyph is a scam. they store your messages in plaintext on their servers.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07 = 0.35 BTC [-]
benkay: i demonstrated this to the team accidentally a few months back, when logging into the web console to see messages we sent each other from our phones.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07 = 0.28 BTC [-]
benkay: glyph is classic fartup circus nonsense. apple's taken a firm stance on bitcoin+iOS, and Glyph doesn't have the horsepower to fight them. note: social media noise != canonry.
bitcoinpete: benkay: ya, they definitely made a fuss and not much else. glyph's whole implementation lacks appeal. "Drop me a line at horse-moon-cloverleaf" doesn't reach catch people
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00424994 = 0.85 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0666 = 0.2664 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.06811111 = 1.3622 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 11 @ 0.05389818 = 0.5929 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.05399933 = 0.486 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00424994 = 0.425 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 138 @ 0.00424994 = 0.5865 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 147 @ 0.00424994 = 0.6247 BTC [-]
benkay: thanks, bitcoinpete!
benkay: i don't play twitter myself, but it's neat to see links up there.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07 = 0.21 BTC [+]
bitcoinpete: benkay: what can i say? it was a great quote. and one that i would've vehemently opposed 3 months ago.
bitcoinpete: time, she keeps tickin'
bitcoinpete: i'm off for a bit of sport, then book clubbin' (antifragile, somehow people haven't read it) cheers
benkay: ha well in retrospect it should have been "stupidest goddamn".
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 22 @ 0.01600001 = 0.352 BTC [-] {3}
benkay: oh my sides
benkay: today a project manager spinning up a new frontend contractor asked "hey how do we import this vm into vagrant without smashing the frontend dev's existing precise64 image?"
benkay: "dear pm. please see the detailed instructions i sent you yesterday. yours, etc"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 73 @ 0.00432983 = 0.3161 BTC [+] {2}
ozbot: Interacting with fiat institution, a guide pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
benkay: hey, assettes: how would you phrase a bitbet to revolve on Blockchain's solvency?
benkay: or whatever the equivalent term for a bitcoin wallet operator is?
bloctoc: Warren Buffet doesn't want to end up with 1,000 sub $650 Bitcoins. Is there a place to borrow 1000 BTC? Assuming his WOT is legit?
dexX7: hm. but blockchain.info doesn't hold any btcs?
ninjashogun: so, the doge financier person's loan fell through. what a waste of several weeks of exchanges with him.
bloctoc: benkay that's genius. the phrase "liquidity event resulting customer loss of funds" might work
jcpham: ^ sounds legit
Mats_cd03: Borrow? Uhh...no. He would hedge his position, and mpoe is the place for it, incidentally.
mike_c: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 291222 | Current Difficulty: 4.2502179198695354E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 292319 | Next Difficulty In: 1097 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 22 hours, 4 minutes, and 25 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 4625267960.62 | Estimated Percent Change: 8.82425
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24850 @ 0.00080457 = 19.9936 BTC [-] {2}
bloctoc: Mats_cd03 thanks. So, Warren would buy some bitcoins, take the bet, and buy puts?
Mats_cd03: That would be ideal, although he could hedge some other way with fiat, too
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21200 @ 0.00080505 = 17.0671 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so how is it that herr orloff is using the terminology of the russian propaganda, you figure ?
benkay: bloctoc, Mats_cd03: can't quite hedge on MPEx anymore.
mircea_popescu: wow ze bc.info still down ?!
bloctoc: futures, still right? I was trying to think of a way to play the 30/1000 odds on this bet, but then got distracted.
ninjashogun: jcpham, I'm oin to sleep soon
ninjashogun: jcpham, if you have any thouhts I'd be interested.
ninjashogun: going*
benkay: bloctoc, the challenge is in the proving these things to the bitbet mods, and coming up with criteria that satisfy their standards.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18700 @ 0.00080505 = 15.0544 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13026 @ 0.00080745 = 10.5178 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: blackwhite what is "a site based on bitcoin data" mean ?
mircea_popescu: so like a blockchain walker ?
mircea_popescu: there's 3-4 of those, but you never know when they croak, so.
mircea_popescu: trivial to get the data for it, just run a node.
blackwhite: yeah true
mircea_popescu: if you comprehend go the best solution i'd say is the package maintained by conformal
KRS-1: .bait
mircea_popescu: but if you're a minimum effort sort of guy even a bitcoind can work, you can directly query it from any software stack. python, php, whatever you run
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 288 @ 0.00424994 = 1.224 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: nubbins` dudes why so aggro
blackwhite: thanks. I was considering getting a proper solution. I will look into conformal. My strength is in design (I can code but I am primarily a designer)
mircea_popescu: well don't end up running something you don't understand.
bloctoc: thanks benkay. So, I'm looking at S.EUR as... WTF is S.EUR?
blackwhite: sure. I have enough developer friends that will keep me in place
benkay: bloctoc: x.eur
mircea_popescu: bloctoc not x.eur ?
bloctoc: anyone can answer
benkay: not quite the leverage of options, you know?
bloctoc: yeah, sorry x.eur
mircea_popescu: bloctoc but it has a contract if you click it.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: terminology of the russian propaganda << more specifically ?
bloctoc: I'm afraid virus if I click
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "in refusing to acquiesce to the installation of a neo-fascist regime in Kiev"
mircea_popescu: bloctoc mpex doesn't even use javascript what are you on about
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the people in question aren't really shy of their nazi 'fandom'
asciilifeform: check out their own sites
blackwhite: yup got it thanks.
bloctoc: actually, I had already clicked, but I don't understand the contract. I was trying to blame my inadequacy completely fabricated internet security problems.
mircea_popescu: well sure, but it's still a stretch
mircea_popescu: bloctoc ok, so what don't you understand ?
asciilifeform: i mean, what is one supposed to call folks chanting 'смерть жидам' and marching with Galician SS banners?
mircea_popescu: "idiots" works
mircea_popescu: it's purely a problem of terminology, see ?
asciilifeform: idiots of a particular rare variety, which survived in a curious 'nature preserve' for quite some time
mircea_popescu: as far as i recall the nazis raped ukraine pretty good, the notion someone there actually is much of a nazi is ridicxulous on its face to begin with.
mircea_popescu: right wing, i guess, "socialistically-challenged", whatever.
asciilifeform: if a zoologist were to speak of a lion, he wouldn't merely say 'panthera'
mircea_popescu: but those dudes aren't "nazis" in that sense.
mircea_popescu: they're more akin to the aryan union, actually.
mircea_popescu: heck, they're probably inspired by the aryan union.
asciilifeform: correct. except, with some non-negligible historical continuity with the actual nazis, which the american version lacks
asciilifeform: read their own turds, where the wankers proclaim 'i wanna finish what grandpa started'
mircea_popescu: which... you know, has to to with nazism about as much as mice and men with martin short and steven segall has to do with french impresionism
mircea_popescu: yeah yeah, but you know and i know it's entirely empty posturing.
mircea_popescu: what did his granpa start ? a kolhoz ?
asciilifeform: what would be needed for non-emptiness? a resurrected hitler?
mircea_popescu: for instance, a rejection of ukrainians as lower stock ?
mircea_popescu: an actual nazi party in the ukraine would be quite the schopenhauerian feat.
asciilifeform: but, what would be needed for it to qualify as a proper nazi party? merely the brand and logo?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00424994 = 0.2125 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: no, as i say. it can't be a proper nazi party for as long as it seriously contemplates accepting any ukrainian national in its ranks.
mircea_popescu: it's like telling me you could have a grandee armee in coventry.
mircea_popescu: no, you fucking can't, the french would have never taken any brits, ever, no matter what.
asciilifeform: ;;google galician ss
gribble: 14th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS (1st Ukrainian) - Wikipedia ...: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/14th_Waffen_Grenadier_Division_of_the_SS_(1st_Ukrainian)>; 'Galicia' Division - Justice for Germans: <http://justice4germans.com/2013/08/23/ukrainians-honour-the-service-and-sacrifices-of-the-waffen-ss-galicia-division/>; What's On Kiev | News | The Infamous Ukrainian Waffen SS (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: wasn't that mostly from like slovakia/bohjemia etc ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48255 @ 0.000802 = 38.7005 BTC [-] {5}
asciilifeform: ;;google stepan bandera
mircea_popescu: o wait, this is the glatz.
asciilifeform: this fellow is their ultimate hero.
mircea_popescu: supposedly a german land since fredrich.
mircea_popescu: listen, srsly, galicia doesn't count in this discussion.
asciilifeform: (not a russian fiction, but straight from the horse's mouth)
mircea_popescu: right. the equivalent of romania's iron guard's codreanu idjit.
mircea_popescu: but that's still not nazi.
asciilifeform: you're quite right that the actual, historic nazis are gone.
asciilifeform: what's left is... well, this.
mircea_popescu: and anyway! death to the jews ?
mircea_popescu: why aren't these qualifications for "loyal subjects of the king of aragon" ?
mircea_popescu: or for caterine de medicis ?
asciilifeform: this isn't even the interesting part about the west ua folks
mircea_popescu: "death to the jews" is, at least in europe, about as common as "open your legs, i'm not gonna do anything"
asciilifeform: what they want isn't to be merely left alone to run their historical (province of poland, really) agrarian pesthole
asciilifeform: they'd like to dominate the historically rus. west, and own the soviet-built factories which they had no part in creating
mircea_popescu: so that makes them neo nazis ?!
asciilifeform: mostly to saw into scrap and sell to the nato block
mircea_popescu: i mean understand me, i am not proposing that either side or party or w/e active entity there is either respectable or in the right.
mircea_popescu: im merely saying that the neonazi label is about as approximative as calling them "knights of the cuisinart", or freemasons.
asciilifeform: nah, marching around in ss garb makes them. you gotta appreciate how this makes them an almost physiological allergen to anyone who grew up even vaguely russian.
mircea_popescu: and inasmuch as this is the case, which exact label one picks serves as a group identification. if you use the russian propaganda terminology you basically are throwing up a flag and little more.
mircea_popescu: ah, cause the "great patriotic war" stuff ?
mircea_popescu: "Unlike competing Polish, Russian, Hungarian or Romanian nationalisms in late imperial Austria, imperial Russia, interwar Poland and Romania, Ukrainian nationalism did not include antisemitism as a core aspect of its program and saw Russians as well as Poles as the chief enemy with Jews playing a secondary role." lmao.
mircea_popescu: shithole didn't even have jews in the first place.
asciilifeform: who did the jerries plug at babi yar? martians?
mircea_popescu: hm this is a point.
mircea_popescu: so then what, were the jews in ukraine mostly settled farmers ?
mircea_popescu: o yes, because beyond the pale huh
asciilifeform: smallholders, petty merchants
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 282 @ 0.0043109 = 1.2157 BTC [+] {5}
asciilifeform: people who apply 'human morality' to the logic of empire are weird.
asciilifeform: from the standpoint of americans, it is a beautiful thing if poland, ua, baltics, etc. are stuffed with as many missile bases as physically fit, aimed at moscow
asciilifeform: from the standpoint of russia, not so beautiful
mircea_popescu: well sure.
asciilifeform: likewise, americans ought to - and will - dance in the streets if the port at sevastopol is conquered and the russian fleet can no longer interfere with the u.s. syrian demolition derby
mircea_popescu: but listen, had orlov called them "privileged male chauvinist pigs" i'd have went "whoa, when did this guy join the blue side"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 60 @ 0.00611787 = 0.3671 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: there's approximately 0% chances of sevastopol falling this year.
bloctoc: for the logs, I will be changing my handle to tacostorm soon
mircea_popescu: well that's it, by then syria's done.
asciilifeform: orlov's position, as far as i can tell, is that u.s. inherited the crown of idiocy worn by the old ussr
asciilifeform: and that anyone who interferes with it's doings, for whatever purpose, is to be applauded
mircea_popescu: but in what terms ?
mircea_popescu: that's always been the question of the independent thinker,
mircea_popescu: as hamlet plainly states.
asciilifeform: it is not easy to describe, accurately and completely, the nato block's policy of nation-wrecking using something other than 'russian' terms. but you're welcome to try.
asciilifeform: i, for one, would like to read the result.
mircea_popescu: but calling people "neonazis" describes nothing, and especially not accurately or completely.
mircea_popescu: in fact, pretty much anything else would work better.
asciilifeform: it isn't orlov's (or putin's) fault that the west ua folks insist on becoming something out of a comic book
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.0043299 = 0.2165 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: omitting the 'nazi' would be quite like, were they to wear clown suits while doing their thing, to omit mention of said suits.
mircea_popescu: well, nationalist movements in the 21st century. it's gonna be pretty comedic.
mircea_popescu: bitbeat ?!
mircea_popescu: whi not just call it beatit
ThickAsThieves: like idiots they link to BRK-B of course
mircea_popescu: "Not too many takers so far: of the 100 confirmed bets, 88 are betting on Uncle Warren. Only 12 have taken the bitcoin side of the bet. (Paul Vigna)"
Duffer1: the oracle of "Ohama"
mircea_popescu: dude this totally matters :D
mircea_popescu: ahaha this is so awful.
ThickAsThieves: I'm one of the 12 apostles!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 85 @ 0.00429057 = 0.3647 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: hey. i guess that finally makes me baby jesus on a stick ?
ThickAsThieves: I'm the first
mircea_popescu: thickaspaul ?
ThickAsThieves: John, of course
Duffer1: lol no mention of the size of the yes bets...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anyway, in sum, you're saying he's just whatever, too tired to even invent a name for the idiots so he's going with neo nazi ?
mircea_popescu: Duffer1 every vote cunts.
asciilifeform: actually there is a beautiful russian name widely in use now
asciilifeform: 'майдауны'
asciilifeform: from 'майдан' (the ua square where the 'demonstration' was) and 'даун' (down's syndrome)
Duffer1: yes has 1007 votes, no has 31 votes
ThickAsThieves: I'll be there for your crucifixion, and there when no apostles are left
asciilifeform: mr. o's problem, as it often is, is that he blogs in english.
mircea_popescu: haha maidanik ?
ThickAsThieves: this is my gospel
mircea_popescu: maidownik
asciilifeform: yeah something like that
mircea_popescu: see, if he had called them maidowniks i'd have been in awe of his fucking expressivity
mircea_popescu: five hours later, when i'd have finally figured it
asciilifeform: as always, when using a technical pidgin like english, everybody loses something.
mircea_popescu: it can be made to work
mircea_popescu: it just needs to be beaten black and blue and then fucked raw.
asciilifeform: i personally have attempted, on occasion, to make it go.
mircea_popescu: why do you think he was called "shake spear"
Shakespeare: He's rounding up the watch of his wit, by and by it will strike.
Shakespeare: winding up*
mircea_popescu: this needs a repost. those perfect butts omg.
mircea_popescu: Proof of Work.
Shakespeare: did you see that ad i linked to with the girl jiggling her butt?
Shakespeare: a few days ago
Shakespeare: so addictive for some reason
mircea_popescu: prolly not
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: fuck this life, for one night you dont suck a dick and suddenly you are not a ho anymo' ? <<< bwahaha
mircea_popescu: dude srsly ?
mircea_popescu: you can not be my apostle anymore.
mircea_popescu: that's like the third most overused gif on the internet.
Shakespeare: fuck you i love it
Shakespeare: no matter how used she is
Shakespeare: i enjoy her swagger
mircea_popescu: do you even wank ?
Shakespeare: not to that
asciilifeform: and then it comes out that the grl cheated with electrodes. (suppose.)
Shakespeare: i just like it
Shakespeare: i dont seek to underdstand why
Shakespeare: i just know i do
asciilifeform: 'ours is not to question why, ours is but to [wank] and die.'
asciilifeform: 'into the valley of reddit rode the six hundred'
mircea_popescu: Neil wanna bet on that ?
Shakespeare: I do repent the tedious minutes I with her have spent
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mircea_popescu: "No Mircia, US isn't confused, just disgusted with thugs like #Putin"
mircea_popescu: putin should come out of the closet as a furry or something, just to troll reddit.
Shakespeare: Putin is doing pretty well with his branding as is
Shakespeare: basically seens as the cuddly mobster with a beach bod
mircea_popescu: if he did more craigkate type of stuff it'd be riotous.
asciilifeform: putin's position with respect to the u.s. is roughly similar to mpex vs. the btc wankiverse
mircea_popescu: this is the problem with large organisations and old people, they aren't in touch with the kids anymore, dunno how to really hurt them.
asciilifeform: the latter has nothing the former needs
mircea_popescu: a steady stream of "putin takes stance on making kremlin toilets use recycled paper" bs would do wonders.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, but you will notice that mpex has mpoe-pr doing a lot of fun stuff
Shakespeare: mp will you pay for my ticket from Romania to Amsterdam to go to the Bitcoin 2014 conference and call out Jon Matonis with a crowd present?
mircea_popescu: where's putin's hottie in ten inch heels ?
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Duffer1: i'd put .1 on that shakespear
Shakespeare: and/or Hearn
mircea_popescu: Shakespeare no, but matonis could pay me not to pay you...
asciilifeform: the fellow he pays to take photos of him hugging (or, occasionally, shooting and stuffing) large fauna are analogous to the pr.
Shakespeare: amd/or Marco Santori
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform notrly, he doesn't have reddit comments going "reading putin's pr chick makes me physically hurt"
mircea_popescu: Shakespeare who's that one ?
Shakespeare: would you at least pay for my hash?
Shakespeare: Santori is the "bitcoin lawyer"
Shakespeare: who is generlaly horrible
mircea_popescu: nah it was murck
mircea_popescu: o, the forum one. ok ok
thestringpuller: conference is what ont the 20th?
Shakespeare: he'll be there too
thestringpuller: i have to be in germany at the end of march
Shakespeare: it's May 15-17
mircea_popescu: that's ok, once they reach a level where they can be helped they'll make their way here.
thestringpuller: no the MPEx conference in April
Shakespeare: i'm just making excuses to do a euro toyur
thestringpuller: when did it change to may?
Shakespeare: Romania, Amsterdam, Cyprus
mircea_popescu: "The Piraeus bond deal underscores both the continued improvement in the perception of Greece’s economy as well as the flood of cash in the financial system that has depressed returns on debt of all stripes."
mircea_popescu: dude fucking bubble from hell they're inflating.
mircea_popescu: CCC greek bank raises half a bn euros at 5.125%
Shakespeare: who the hell wants greek bonds
mircea_popescu: unsecured 3 year senior
mircea_popescu: i'll tell you who. all the people with worthless cash.
Shakespeare: maybe if they all trade bonds for bonds enough between countries, all the debt will go away
Shakespeare: that's the idea right?
mircea_popescu: yeah, like if you have sex with a lot of 3 year olds your hiv will be cured.
Shakespeare: kick the can, it's barely got a dent!
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller that's in like late april.
mircea_popescu: The current digital currency narrative, while certainly attractive to entrepreneurs, venture capital, and the media, is extremely "First World" in nature. And a primary question remains -- do such innovations, as we know them today, address the needs of consumers and businesses on both sides of an international transaction?
mircea_popescu: how can there be so much derp available ?
asciilifeform: the one inexhaustible natural resource.
mircea_popescu: it's like... nobody ever puts in a derp order that goes unfilled by the derpgods ?
Shakespeare: is that a WU quote?
mircea_popescu: well forbes really
Shakespeare: who do they think theyre fooling?
mircea_popescu: i mean fortune sorry.
Shakespeare: shareholders i guess
mircea_popescu: who ? do you even read the log!
mircea_popescu: "The Piraeus bond deal underscores..."
Shakespeare: not today
Shakespeare: i drank instead
mircea_popescu: i never tried that one. what's it, a vodka ?
Shakespeare: mea culpa
Shakespeare: i mixed
Shakespeare: probly regret it tomorrow
mircea_popescu: actually "instead" sounds more like a tequilla
asciilifeform: who was 'pravda' for? not every squeal that comes out of an idiot is intended to communicate - even to deceive. sometimes, it's just the croaking of frogs.
asciilifeform: it's just wired to make certain noises.
mircea_popescu: i doubt frogs croak without communicative intent
mircea_popescu: they gotta fuck
Shakespeare: whiskey, beer, some ginger drink with i think rye whiskey, beer, malbec
asciilifeform: better example, buzz of the fly
asciilifeform: it's just the way the wings are set up.
mircea_popescu: drink some concrete, you'll be all set.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform much better example indeed.
asciilifeform: i vaguely recall that the buzz isn't from the wings proper, but from little quasi-vestigial winglets
mircea_popescu: im sure that according to the fly's own onboard instrumentation, its flight is quiet.
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asciilifeform: whose purpose is unclear, but if removed, the insect won't fly.
mircea_popescu: stabilisation afaik
asciilifeform: they are thought to dissipate turbulence or somesuch
asciilifeform: last i checked.
mircea_popescu: something like that
mircea_popescu: benkay that blockchain thing actually soiunds like a good idea. i can't believe they're past the 24h mark.
benkay: but what criteria!?
mircea_popescu: someone offers proof of being owed ?
benkay: anyways, off to troll the local yokels about their inadequate security and absurd obeisance to the tyrant
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benkay: that's not easily faked?
thestringpuller: Timosora Germany Amsterdam then back home for under 3 btc
benkay: i'll be watching the logs
mircea_popescu: bloctoc if you have the fiat collateral to post im pretty sure you'll find some. you can prolly even ask coinbase.
thestringpuller: travel isn't bad these days
Shakespeare: my wife is pissed at me because i said people dont pasteurize chemicals and i wasnt polite enough (being wrong wasnt even the issue, as she was talking about apple cider vinegar, and i was talkign about acetic acid)
thestringpuller: TOO BAD nubbins` hasn't finished my tribute
nubbins`: too bad you only paid for the draft sketches :\
mircea_popescu: Shakespeare make her kneel naked on dry beans for two hours.
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thestringpuller: lets resolve that right now yes yes?
mircea_popescu: lmao so i made hotel reservations today, which they confirmed in triplicate, and the girl eager to impress both her boss and his mysterious business partner guy of numerous hermetic grandeurs (ie, me) broke out the special character set : "doublé rooms" she says.
Shakespeare: this is compounded by her being mad at neil degrasse tyson for saying evolution is a fact
mircea_popescu: wait what ?!
Shakespeare: she just thinks scientists shouldnt be so arrogant about their proven theories
mircea_popescu: this woman would chew on her own liver if she ever read these logs wouldn't she.
Shakespeare: i explained that just because they say evolution is fact, doesnt mean they exclude all other possible influence
Shakespeare: she'd at least chew on mine
Shakespeare: maybe mutations arent totally random, whatever
Shakespeare: everything is true until it is untrue
mircea_popescu: so what's her alternative pet theory ?
Shakespeare: just "mean" is bad
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: is the conference in may not april?
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller april 18-20
Shakespeare: she just thinks they need to be more open-minded
Shakespeare: i explained there is a scienctific process
mircea_popescu: well i agree, they should be more open minded.
mircea_popescu: this is like, you know, coffee should taste better.
Shakespeare: but you can see how the first statement morphed with each of my rebuttals
mircea_popescu: hence the dry beans.
asciilifeform: how come nobody goes around telling, say, electrical engineers to be 'more open minded,' and consider devils as an alternative to maxwell's equations in explaining electromagnetic phenomena ?
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asciilifeform: why is it that only biologists are forced to deal with this
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform more open minded, in this context, is for instance considering the point that a severe beating is liable to be at least as effective an educational tool as speech.
Shakespeare: really the only lesson to learn is to not watch Cosmos with others
Shakespeare: it's boring as fuck anyway
asciilifeform: afaik this is not a controversial position outside of the weird anglo nature preserve.
mircea_popescu: which is a billion strong and incredibly vocal.
Shakespeare: that, and of course, that your wife is always right
mircea_popescu: people keep harping about "inequality of wealth distribution", but that fails to worry me.
mircea_popescu: what does worry me is that out of the stupidities emitted every day, said sphere leisurely owns 99.x%
mircea_popescu: while by population should only be entitled to a modest 15%
Shakespeare: well why are smart people so disinclined to reproduce?
nubbins`: because they know better
mircea_popescu: because it doesn't pay.
Shakespeare: pretty stupid, if you ask me
mircea_popescu: do youwant me to dig up my article on the topic ?
Shakespeare: at least donate sperm
nubbins`: donate sperm, no thanks
Shakespeare: is it in Romanian?
mircea_popescu: i can't recall ;/
Shakespeare: i watched a documentary on Romanian street kids
asciilifeform: the anglos have fucked up even sperm donation
Shakespeare: girls that look like boys, huffing paint all day
asciilifeform: us and brits both opened donors to paternity lawsuits
nubbins`: "why are smart people disinclined to put their lives and plans on hold for decades and hit a generational reset button?"
nubbins`: totally valid question D;
Shakespeare: is that still how it is in the subway?
Shakespeare: the documentary blamed it on the banning of birth control
Shakespeare: but all the kids seemed to be escaping alcoholic dads
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mircea_popescu: huffing toluene/whatever other solvents is not that geograpghically concentrated
asciilifeform: by some accounts, we have the u.s. newspapers (circa '50s-60s) to thank for the popularity of this practice.
mircea_popescu: it may actually be genetic. about 18% or so of the population finds various aromatic hydrocarbons... aromatic.
mircea_popescu: (ie, gasoline smells good to them)
Shakespeare: i like the smell of gasoline
mircea_popescu: so there yo ugo. you're a winner.
mircea_popescu: you have like 30% chances to develop some types of liver cancer etc.
Shakespeare: aurolac i think, was the stuff they huffed
asciilifeform: might just be an 'irritation threshhold' phenomenon.
mircea_popescu: that's a brand name.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what i read suggested it's the presence of particular enzimatic pathways
mircea_popescu: like some people think peanut butter smells awful
Shakespeare: i mean i dont like so much i'd seek out smelling it
mircea_popescu: their liver is just not too happy with the prospect of having to cope with that load.
Shakespeare: but there's some interest when i do
asciilifeform: 'normal' phenotype doesn't really get to smell the gasoline, he goes 'aargh' from his nose dissolving a little
Shakespeare: i also love peanut butter
mircea_popescu: so do most dogs
Shakespeare: i dont like dogs particularly
mircea_popescu: anyway, there's a lot of metabolic diversity under this "all humans are humans" misguided perception. and it isn't limited to this species, either.
mircea_popescu: some dogs love chocolate. some other dogs can die spontaneously from it.
mircea_popescu: cats are fine, but i've never heard of a cat like th estuff
asciilifeform: obligate carnivores tend to have 'underpowered' liver
asciilifeform: on average.
Shakespeare: i have a cat that loves beer
Shakespeare: which i know is toxic for cats
nubbins`: onions are bad for cats
asciilifeform: the beast isn't really built to deal with plant toxins
Shakespeare: another cat loves wheat bread
Shakespeare: tears through the bag if left unattended
nubbins`: there's mixed opinions on whether tomatoes are bad for cats
Shakespeare: same cat will play fetch too
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah. but also a lot of variation there.
nubbins`: altho TBH people thought tomatoes were bad for people until what, the 1800s?
mircea_popescu: nubbins` that was due to the lead.
asciilifeform: a plant toxin the eater can't 'deal with' is poison, or drug, depending on dose and aesthetics
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i kept proposing people to make catnip illegal in the us
nubbins`: i figured it was because it's from the nightshade family
mircea_popescu: very few got the high quality trolling they were blessed with.
nubbins`: either way, imagine being the guy who discovered tomatoes are awesome
mircea_popescu: nubbins` no. this was chiefly a us phenomenon. the us at the time was poor and lazy, so most of their flatware was made of lead.
mircea_popescu: guess what happens to lead that's washed in aciding tomato juice.
asciilifeform: if catnip worked on man like it does on cat, i doubt it would be permitted even in the u.s. botanical garden.
Shakespeare: raw tomatoes make me gag
nubbins`: it makes the food healthier? ;(
asciilifeform: (where you will find, for instance, khat - and possibly other forbidden flora)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but why should it be allowed for cats ? it's a drug neh ?
mircea_popescu: people ABUSE their pets...
nubbins`: if cats paid taxes, catnip would be illegal
mircea_popescu: cats pay more taxes than most us dwellers.
mircea_popescu: any idea what a bag of catfood costs ?
nubbins`: incidentally, yes
mircea_popescu: not to mention the shit trays and medical inspections.
asciilifeform: in the town there i live, there is, theoretically, a tax on cats
asciilifeform: nobody pays
Shakespeare: i have one cat with protein allergies
Shakespeare: so they all eat duck
nubbins`: $75 to get a thermometer stuck up Pinki's ass last week
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform plenty of indirect taxes tho. everyone pays.
mircea_popescu: turns out it was in english. grep "reproduce"
Shakespeare: dammit my trilema cookie reset
asciilifeform: damn, thought that was the post where you described automatic 'public impregnators' for japan
asciilifeform: turns out that was elsewhere.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you know, paragraph long links look kinda dorky
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform most of myshit is misplaced by now.
asciilifeform: i picture this hypothetical device as being a kind of topologically reverse version of the 'milking machine' japan recently became famous for.
asciilifeform: nm - chinese!
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mircea_popescu: analinguists ftw!
Shakespeare: so far Stacey Nelkin seems kinda derpy
mircea_popescu: that's the genius of it :D
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Shakespeare: as an aside while i read, do you consider a state leader imposing law that results in more children to be smart or dumb?
Shakespeare: i guess that's a loaded q
Shakespeare: needs more context
mircea_popescu: do read.
mircea_popescu: somehow stacey asks the same.
asciilifeform: Shakespeare: not unlike asking 'is a leader who imposes law resulting in more steel production smart' ?
asciilifeform: ;;google chinese backyard steel
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mircea_popescu: for that matter : leadership and lawmaking are quite distinct endeavours.
mircea_popescu: a leader that imposes laws is doing something wrong.
asciilifeform: 'i gave the fool an ax, to fetch some kindling sticks; and to the mosque he went, and smashed the door to bits.' (persian, bad double-translation from rus. mine)
mircea_popescu: not so bad.
mircea_popescu: incidentally it is naught but shoicking how little persian exists in english translations,
mircea_popescu: all things considered.
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asciilifeform: 'rubaiat' and that's it, afaik.
mircea_popescu: which was british anyway.
mircea_popescu: and is quite spotty.
asciilifeform: english gentleman, afaik, wasn't expected to bother with translations, but to go out and learn languages
asciilifeform: hence we have what we have.
mircea_popescu: afaik the russian inteligentsia of today is developing quite a crush on persian cultural achievements.
mircea_popescu: (which does not map on iran at all, and which actually in the future may be the engine that liberates the poor persians from the smelly arab invaders)
asciilifeform: which achievements? classics? or this:
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mircea_popescu: classics.
mircea_popescu: that crap is arabic not persian.
asciilifeform: not sure if you could, at this point, 'separate the flies from the cutlets' (to use the rus. expression)
mircea_popescu: and if this is the next target for the suddenly found int'l cock of putin,
asciilifeform: it'd be like liberating constantinople from the turks
mircea_popescu: then we'll get perhaps to hear all about the arab nazis on orlov's blog
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you definitely can, iran is more deeply split than the ukraine.
asciilifeform: recent word is that russian engineers (including girls) are happily collecting 'hazard pay' building infrastructure (incl. fission) for iran
mircea_popescu: you ever seen "a separation" ?
asciilifeform: and the girls are supposed to wear the bags, but piss on the demand
mircea_popescu: yeah, plenty of romanians too.
asciilifeform: good money.
mircea_popescu: they have this special immunity thing, they don't have to as long as they stay in the "foreigner" zone
mircea_popescu: they can even drink, there.
mircea_popescu: special shop, accessible by passport.
asciilifeform: the turks, if i recall, took this to a high art
asciilifeform: centuries ago
asciilifeform: (venetians)
asciilifeform: i'm waiting for the extraterritoriality zones in the u.s., where folks are permitted to behave like human beings
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mircea_popescu: in it, the father teaches his pubescent daughter the difference between "us" and "those people" as a matter of course,
mircea_popescu: and generally the degree to which the society is steeped in it is clearly apparent
chetty: asciilifeform: you mean the 'reservations'?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform precisely what the recent thing with the sec was all aobut.
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mircea_popescu: "you may continue to pretend you're a country just as soon as you come to terms with us being immune"
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asciilifeform: chetty: u.s. 'reservations' as they presently exist aren't the least bit 'extraterritorial' - they've been busted open for something as mundane as 'war on drugs' in the past.
mircea_popescu: i have my moments
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asciilifeform: proper extraterritoriality needs a genuine power, that can make it stick
mircea_popescu: usually known as the power of fuck you.
mircea_popescu: precisely what the most serene republic amply posessed and widely employed.
BingoBoingo: The bitcoinpete link is fixed
asciilifeform: exactly this.
Shakespeare: okay i'm done reading
Shakespeare: some questions
Shakespeare: could a population thrive where the role is reversed?
Shakespeare: men being raped
Shakespeare: men being the "women"
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Shakespeare: same question for an economy
chetty: society can not fight mother nature
mircea_popescu: not unless by "men" you understand "they with vaginas and pregnancies"
Shakespeare: women doing the work
Shakespeare: well men doing the rearing
mircea_popescu: human gender is not biologically symmetrical.
Shakespeare: but i didnt ask whether they were
mircea_popescu: well sure, that's the end of it. "could a planet exist with aqueous atmosphere and oceans of air ?"
Shakespeare: merely if it's a role issue more than a gender one
mircea_popescu: next question.
asciilifeform: i often wonder why u.s. 'feminists' don't parade the most remarkable 'equality' freak show - post-war ussr
asciilifeform: with the burly steamroller driving girls
chetty: no its not, the roles are part of biology
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and the decorated mothers of ten.
mircea_popescu: the answer my friend (as you well know) is that feminism is not a theory, nor science, but a marketing ploy.
asciilifeform: they had serious problems with, at one point, mostly female police force in certain places
asciilifeform: would routinely be killed with own sidearms
Shakespeare: is your text also implying that a society which gives women fair play in the economy, ie females CEOs, equal pay, etc, is doomed the same?
mircea_popescu: actuially mostly female police seems to work wel lin columbia
mircea_popescu: Shakespeare yes. a democracy can never produce art. give the plebs the vote, you've ended painting, and music.
mircea_popescu: a society where women have a say in their reproductive history will produce a finite number of generations.
mircea_popescu: these aren't negotiable, in any manner.
asciilifeform: people told 'female police force' picture 'ilsa, she-wolf of auschwitz' rather than the more likely office plankton girl next door stuffed into a uniform.
Shakespeare: what if the women become self-aware in this way
mircea_popescu: what if i knew what the words you use mean.
Shakespeare: and seek to institutionalize sifficient reproduction
Shakespeare: sufficient*
mircea_popescu: but they wouldn't.
asciilifeform: Shakespeare: scroll up for coin-operated public impregnatrons.
Shakespeare: because they wouldnt care to
mircea_popescu: not exactly.
chetty: pass a law that the wind can not blow?
asciilifeform: (2024: listed as 'S.POOJ.' ye read it here phirst.)
Shakespeare: i do suppose the nature of male is still quite that it would seek to dominate
mircea_popescu: Shakespeare now, getting back to your original q, economic independence is not problematic, just as long as its not backed by legal independence.
mircea_popescu: this is why jooz mostly survived, and middle east models allow for stable populations.
mircea_popescu: places like cyprus say.
mircea_popescu: while the economy is in fact wholly controlled by matriarchs, nevertheless they have no legal rights.
Shakespeare: and this whole perspective is more likely the more intellectual root of conservative americans concerns for the sancitity of the family?
Shakespeare: sanctity*
mircea_popescu: it's an unclear intuition in their turbid heads of something that's factually there.
asciilifeform: 'intellectual root of conservative americans' concerns mainly the rust on their truck mufflers.
mircea_popescu: "if woman is not held slave to man, society ends".
Shakespeare: this certainly adds much-needed depth to their behavior
mircea_popescu: because merely saying "these people are stupid" is rather poor sociology.
mircea_popescu: stupid they may well be.
mircea_popescu: but why stupid this way rather than that still needs to be explained.
Shakespeare: same for being anti-gay i suppose
mircea_popescu: i have no idea why they'd be anti gay.
Shakespeare: where will raping men get us
Shakespeare: nowhere
mircea_popescu: i don't believe this works that far.
mircea_popescu: the romans were very openly pro-gay and worked just fine.
mircea_popescu: what men do to each other does not matter in any sense.
asciilifeform: 'no idea why they'd be anti gay' << same reason as in russia, as described by mr. o - 'As Prof. Cohen recently pointed out, prior to Americans' gay rights agitation, Russian gays used to be called “faggots”; now they are being called “American faggots,” and gay rights in Russia have taken a giant leap back.'
Shakespeare: and this Garden movie, still required watching you think?
chetty: don't confuse anti-gay with protect marriage - the roman gay still married and had children
mircea_popescu: which garden movie ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform perhaps simple knee jerk "no no no no no no "
Shakespeare: "Gardens of the Night (a 2008, also with John Malkovichiv) is yet another installment in that man’s awesome, ruefully complete, atrociously honest, blithely limpid discussion of the divine cunt. "
mircea_popescu: it must be seen.
Shakespeare: i hope netlflix has it
asciilifeform: standard, ages-old algorithm. if you want to lower someone into bitchdom, take those he has himself lowered and forcibly lift them
mircea_popescu: one may discuss pedophilia either as an actual professional, having gone to proper school for it
asciilifeform: thereby sitting him under domination of bitches
mircea_popescu: or else as an amateur, having at least seen that film.
asciilifeform: (s/bitch/пидор for the linguistically non-challenged)
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform im not sure i follow the implication here.
asciilifeform: this is a parsimonious hypothesis to explain american 'concern' for certain 'oppressed groups' worldwide
mircea_popescu does the ny hand jewsture.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: see your piece on the forcible prevention of 'school bully'
asciilifeform: and its actual motivations
asciilifeform: same dynamic.
mircea_popescu: i dun believe it, tbh. they're "concerned" about gay rights for much simpler reasons,
mircea_popescu: which are purely economical.
mircea_popescu: ie : how do poor would-be "CEO"s create a rent extractive engine ?
mircea_popescu: why, by making an overseas ngo doing something like protecting gay rights.
asciilifeform: freshly-uplifted 'bullied' folks can be relied upon as lackeys
mircea_popescu: now they get to travel, which excusesd them from owning a house,
mircea_popescu: and they can ask their rich friends for money
Shakespeare: the line i feel the most, in the whole thing, is this: "If you can do anything it’ll be hard actually doing anything."
Shakespeare: that cloud has hung over me many times in life
mircea_popescu: Shakespeare my mother had me at 21, which was a reasonable time to have a kid at the time, towards the end of one's secondary studies.
mircea_popescu: she was in a room with a 17yo and a 18yo girl.
mircea_popescu: doctor told her it's fucking late to have kids in your 20s and wtf is this bs.
mircea_popescu: those 17yos are still having kids today, except "it's a problem"
mircea_popescu: and those 20yos are now waiting to be 30.
Shakespeare: indeed
Shakespeare: and soon waiting to be 40
mircea_popescu: human female is really built for primiparity around the age of 18
mircea_popescu: 17, something.
asciilifeform: well, in usa 'adulthood' costs $1/2mil
asciilifeform: at least in the 'white zone'
asciilifeform: (elsewhere, $0, but it's academic to the afflicted)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i heartily recommend having the kids in egypt.
mircea_popescu: costs ~1 dollar a day, and it's a much better environment
mircea_popescu: or w/e, was, a decade ago. maybe meanwhile went to shit.
asciilifeform: perhaps before it got ukrained.
mircea_popescu: yeah, this was cca 2004
okcjosh: whats the going consensus on the GHS futures at cex.io
Shakespeare: it seems the more blurred this line between man and woman, the more discontent is bred
mircea_popescu: okcjosh you'll have to be more specific.
mircea_popescu: Shakespeare people often misrepresent their boredom and pointlessness as "discontent"
okcjosh: will it pay off? Right now a may GHS is around 33% the price of a live GHS. Does buying 3 times as many GHS for may have a good chance of paying out more, based on estimated Diff increase?
asciilifeform: technical term, afaik, is 'ennui'
Shakespeare: i see them being all one
asciilifeform: goes well with balanced diet of 'anomie'
mircea_popescu: okcjosh when i ask you to be specific i mean about the contracts you're discussing.
Shakespeare: somehow it seems buddhism is a spawn of all this
Shakespeare: be one with being nothing
Shakespeare: i guess all religion might be a spawn of this struggle
Shakespeare: both societal and economic
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