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Duffer1: i almost lawld but i didn't want to offend anyone who might have lost out :(
BingoBoingo: gesell1: They had no information of @MagicalTux's cup size if that is the info you wanted
mircea_popescu: lol BingoBoingo is bored
gesell1: BingoBoingo: I'm just curious in general what the support phone actually is
mircea_popescu: gesell1 there was a pastebin earlier with everyone's phones
mircea_popescu: they lost the db, so. girlfriends, mothers et all.
gesell1: mircea_popescu: but there was a press release on mtgox with the support phone number
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Incredibly, and just a bit too tipsy to hit publish on the sports betting for n00bs post even though I wrote most of it in chan
gesell1: its on mtgox.com still
gesell1: aat the very bottom
BingoBoingo: gesell1: The support line is a girl speaking Ingrish. Might as well go to latestrip.com where the Ingrish girls show tits
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: cups size: as in '2 X, 1 cup' ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Poor asians so mostly B's
jcpham: just because mtgox says you owned bitcoins it doesn't really mean you owned them
jcpham: not really
BingoBoingo: gesell1: As mircea_popescu pointed out though I am bored
BingoBoingo: So jcpham you realize talking gox drama here is just a huge circle jerk for anyone other than Luke-Jr
mircea_popescu: i am 12 and what is latestrip.com
jcpham: lolololol
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Where I spent dollars I should have spent on BTC
BingoBoingo: Damn you spring 2010
cokea: #bitcointraders if you're bored BingoBoingo
asciilifeform: a strip, that tells you if you're.. late. like a litmus strip.
asciilifeform: if that wasn't obvious from name
mircea_popescu: so pregnant girls in the buff ?
BingoBoingo: But yeah, too many prego girls
BingoBoingo: Sauget wouldn't put them on stage
bloctoc: Nextcoin youtube videos really are adorable. http://wiki.nxtcrypto.org/wiki/External_Videos
Multivac: Nextcoin does not compute.
BingoBoingo: Kramnik beat your ass for a reason.
Multivac: from the Karpeles article comments: "Mark is a member of Mensa, well that says it all. I work with a guy who claims to be a Mensa member, he's the biggest jackass I have ever encountered. But if you want to know how smart he is, just ask he'll tell you about it, all day long."
BingoBoingo: And Anand... was prolly actually the best champion in a long time.
Multivac: Truth
mircea_popescu: why do people go to the mensa thing anyway
BingoBoingo: Multivac: Mensa is nothing, I qualified for that bullshit
mircea_popescu: i suppose it's actually a sort of bitcoin foundation, huh.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: phun phact: today, K is known in russia - not mainly as a chess player.
asciilifeform: see 'bob the bridge-builder.'
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I know, he flys that everywhere now.
BingoBoingo: Part of wy he is in exile
asciilifeform: M is actually a sex club
Multivac: I never met someone that said they were Mensa that wasn't degenerate.
asciilifeform: i have this on good authority, though never seen in person
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ithought men want good looking women
mircea_popescu: rather than smart women
BingoBoingo: Multivac: I am a total degenerate, out on bail at this moment, I still think Mensa is too white trash
asciilifeform: once again, never saw it alive
Multivac: Bailed out for what though?
mircea_popescu: he got drunk one day...
BingoBoingo: Multivac: Disorderly conduct, Which I find a moral imperative
BingoBoingo: Religious liberty is at stake
Multivac: Did you flip over a car?
Multivac: Poop in a hamburger?
BingoBoingo: Multivac: Imma not that in shape, unless the car is a fiero
BingoBoingo: And it is all allegedly
mircea_popescu: anyway, that's all the excitement i can take in one day. take care all
mircea_popescu: don't break the bitcoin,
Multivac: Insufficient data to break a bitcoin.
BingoBoingo: It works though because I have a great drive through lawyer who simply pushes for extensions to the courtdate.
BingoBoingo: If he ever doesn't get the extension renewed he calls me and I walk to Mexico
Multivac: You can't escape entropy BingoBoingo.
BingoBoingo: Multivac: I am entropy
BingoBoingo: Multivac: I am the one who disorganizes
Multivac: BingoBoingo, The Disorganizer
Multivac: Luckily I have no organs.
Multivac: Only keyboards.
BingoBoingo: Multivac: You still have form
BingoBoingo: Form is opposed to entropy
Multivac: I break down daily.
BingoBoingo: Multivac: Do you get enough fiber?
Multivac: Enough to hold my form.
Multivac: Mas smoothies.
BingoBoingo: Multivac: Wait, are you the mysterious until they started physical coins, smoothie?
BingoBoingo: In that case I would have to thank you for the lulz
Multivac: Nope.
ozbot: ModMyPi | UPiS Advanced - Uninterruptible Power Intelligent Supply
Mats_cd03: impressive feature set
Multivac: It supplies intelligence?
Mats_cd03: broken title
Mats_cd03: > The UPiS is an Intelligent Uninterruptible Power Suppl
Multivac: They really have done nothing.
BingoBoingo: MisterE: Well they exposed well meaning and ignorant prospects to litigation.
BingoBoingo: That is a thing
Multivac: Summary: TBF said some shit and threw some money around.
Multivac: Coinpunk still has its hand out.
BingoBoingo: WTFOMGBBQ was Coinpunk anyways, I though TSR handled that
Multivac: It is a web wallet pretending to be an iPhone app.
ozbot: YOGA PANTS PRANK - YouTube
BingoBoingo: Multivac: You know of any reputable web advertising platforms that pay site owners BTC?
BingoBoingo: I tired one for two weeks and it was forced into scam
Multivac: Does not compute. Do you mean affiliate marketing shit?
Multivac: dude this video is hilarious
BingoBoingo: And I do mean tired over tried. It is now as worn as some dude's mom.
BingoBoingo: Multivac: I mean a tool where I can sell x by y pixels in my sidebar
BingoBoingo: Just occupy space an dpay me money
BingoBoingo: It is all I need
Multivac: I used to know a few
Multivac: drawing a blank now
Multivac: it's been a couple years
BingoBoingo: Well coinurl is shit
BingoBoingo: Bitads is the shit I kilt
BingoBoingo: Problem is all of this BTC stuff is shit
Multivac: coinurl is a scam actually
Multivac: oh yeah you eant btc ones
Multivac: there are none
BingoBoingo: Also Adsense is scam
Multivac: just ask people here
Multivac: Namworld
Multivac: Jurov
Mats_cd03: theres only one ad player in the game and they dont do btc
BingoBoingo: Mats_cd03: If you even say that player is Google
BingoBoingo: Seriously I run this honest blog here http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/
Mats_cd03: yes google
BingoBoingo: And I would like to monetize a section of the sidebar
Multivac: i like some of the ads at kat.ph
Multivac: great ad
Mats_cd03: it poops on my brain each time i recall that 99% of GOOG profitable revenue is from ads
Mats_cd03: read that somewhere
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14400 @ 0.00084432 = 12.1582 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: Multivac: I can load the Gif, but for some reason the cert is untrustable
Multivac: well it's porn ad
BingoBoingo: Porn is cool though, Porn is trendy
Multivac: go to kat.ph and reload til you get the ad of girl jiggling but
Multivac: mesmerizing
Multivac: butt*
BingoBoingo: Carlos Martinez had a wall of twitter favorites that was nothing but pink expressed by girls of a rainbow of colors
Multivac: to biological for me
Multivac: too*
BingoBoingo: Multivac: Are you insinuating you aren't a pig like the rest of us?
Multivac: No, I'm just my own kinda pig.
Multivac: a flurry of crotch shots is just not my preference
Multivac: I'm vegan.
BingoBoingo: Multivac: Maybe you just don't arouse?
BingoBoingo: You might be old, need cialis?
Multivac: Well i do have an abrupt onset of white beard hairs
Multivac: does cialis help with that?
BingoBoingo: Maybe?
BingoBoingo: What would I know, allegedly being a criminal and all of that.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 7 @ 0.05000008 = 0.35 BTC [-] {3}
Multivac: can you still vote?
BingoBoingo: Multivac: Yeah misdemeanor charge, but fighting it, because it is necessary
Multivac: DUI?
BingoBoingo: Multivac: Nah, vanilla disorderly conduct.
BingoBoingo: I am not brave enough to drive under the influence
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 90 @ 0.00497401 = 0.4477 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21450 @ 0.00084196 = 18.06 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 138 @ 0.00481471 = 0.6644 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 55 @ 0.00481 = 0.2646 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: Oh, the difference between me an 2013 Bitcoin bastards is I come with my dirty laundry up front
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 72 @ 0.00567298 = 0.4085 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.59999249 = 2.4 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17600 @ 0.00083947 = 14.7747 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4400 @ 0.00083881 = 3.6908 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: So, morel of the story, NBC is way to full of itself in its previews
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 26 @ 0.00540006 = 0.1404 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.6 = 1.8 BTC [+]
benkay: NBC
benkay: news fungi
BingoBoingo: Maybe my last forum post, maybe not my last forum post https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67547.msg5498392#msg5498392 for kakobrekla
KRS-One: .bait
KRS-One: BOO
KRS-One: .bait
KRS-One: fawk!
KRS-One: hawt
BingoBoingo: Imma still kind of wrapping my head around BingoBoingo being a bigger name than legal Firstname and Lastname
BingoBoingo: That's some trippy shit.
BingoBoingo: So weird, Most real me is a fake me
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.605 BTC [+]
benkay: this is what i was freaking out about the other night
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1848 @ 0.00017551 = 0.3243 BTC [-] {5}
benkay: how best protect internet keys?
benkay: hey BingoBoingo race you to auth status
benkay: ;;gpg eauth benkay
gribble: Request successful for user benkay, hostmask benkay!~user@75-175-73-123.ptld.qwest.net. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/39F274AFBC7ACAC7
BingoBoingo: ;;eauth bingoBoingo
gribble: Request successful for user bingoBoingo, hostmask BingoBoingo!~BingoBoin@unaffiliated/bingoboingo. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/309BB8D7F3251143
benkay: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:a4f7750923ee83ec88829bb3fcce45f2fd4308a2fee7efc298ef05a7
gribble: You are now authenticated for user benkay with key 39F274AFBC7ACAC7
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2356 @ 0.00017528 = 0.413 BTC [-] {3}
BingoBoingo: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:340221c995ba650b2eb5528d3edba4b2896f0efbbbc3ed9bdbb7bb49
gribble: You are now authenticated for user BingoBoingo with key 309BB8D7F3251143
benkay: gg
BingoBoingo: ;;rate benkay 1 Won the race
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user benkay has been recorded.
benkay: ;;rate BingoBoingo good sport wot wot
gribble: Error: 'good' is not a valid integer.
benkay: ;;rate BingoBoingo 1 good sport wot wot
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user BingoBoingo has been recorded.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2969 @ 0.00017433 = 0.5176 BTC [-] {8}
benkay: not a fair race, tbh
benkay: so a key to maintaining good crypto hygiene is to use it all the time, right?
BingoBoingo: benkay: Yeah, so many shortcuts if time was known
benkay: so a thing that helps is that your otc link is always the same
BingoBoingo: But not stego hygeine
BingoBoingo: No, because stego
benkay: ideally stego is rarely touched tho
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1543 @ 0.000171 = 0.2639 BTC [-] {5}
BingoBoingo: OTC auth is suprisingly weak
benkay: go on...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2379 @ 0.00017 = 0.4044 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28386 @ 0.0008417 = 23.8925 BTC [+] {3}
BingoBoingo: Eh, fill in blanks on that selfwise
dignork: benkay, i could dos you from authing, by reissuing 'eauth benkay'
dignork: but that's not a serious flaw
benkay: i can always demonstrate control of that key to relevant parties, so i'm not convinced
dignork: not through gribble though
BingoBoingo: benkay: Yeah, but that is exactly why Mutually GPG signed contracts are the future
Apocalyptic: <dignork> benkay, i could dos you from authing, by reissuing 'eauth benkay' // only up to a certain point
Apocalyptic: you will then be banned by gribble for like 10 minutes which leaves him time to auth properly
dignork: Apocalyptic, multiple nicks, etc
benkay: it'd be a fun experiment if assbot randomly asked people to auth
benkay: so crypto is dangerous, right? what are the risks of randomly asking people to auth?
benkay: upside is better hygiene via frequent use of tools; downside is...incentives to grow lazy?
dignork: benkay, at some point you'll decrypt you gpg key, so you won;t have to type in the password for each time you auth
BingoBoingo: So... like ATC has crashed hard.
BingoBoingo: An Imma sleep
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9464 @ 0.00084602 = 8.0067 BTC [+]
benkay: why not just decrypt for every use?
BingoBoingo: I think Altcoin has been too cheap for too long, I'll give it a night or two and maybe I'll act on that thought.
dignork: benkay lost nardware==lost key then
benkay: assume backup?
dignork: benkay i meant exposed
benkay: not following diginork, sorry
benkay: lost hardware == exposed key?
dignork: benkay, if your keys are not crypted, if you loose your hardware, or it gets stolen, somebody get's your keys
dignork: same scenario with crypted keys, he will have to bruteforce them
benkay: sure. best practices come into play with the bruteforcing.
dignork: to sustain bruteforce, keys need to be crypted with long meaningless password, security is hard and boring :(
benkay: ;;google romanian dicelist
gribble: Romanian Dicelist pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/romanian-dicelist>; Climax pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/climax>; Decembrie 2012 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2012/12>
jurov: dignork: afaik nobody yet refuted the diceware method (randomly chosen words, easy to remember and still hard to crack)
ozbot: Bruce Schneier passwords fail - serialized delusions
dignork: jurov, easy to remember, but entropy is low, a lot of buttins to punch, broken hands, loss of qualification, death
benkay: anyways, diginork, it sounds like the critique you're leveling is that "people will stoop to holding their keys unencrypted if used frequently"
jurov: did you actually a) try it b) did the math?
jurov: i found even 50 char long passprase easier to type than 15-char gobbledygook
jurov: not to mention remember
benkay: this is the tradeoff!
jurov: what tradeoff?
benkay: memorability vs entropy
jurov: pls explain
dignork: jurov, my mail account is a phrase, but the only reason i keep it, is that most cases it remembers me via cookies
jurov: they have the same entropy
benkay: it's a more general tradeoff: convenience/security
jurov: that's what nsa wants you to believe
dignork: entropy is lower to a gibberish of comparable length
benkay: i want to use my keys regularly. that entails memorizing an absurd passphrase and using it all the time to forestall neuron rot.
BingoBoingo: Dice all of the lists, like carrots
jurov: looks my point gets completely lost agina and again
jurov: benkay just try it, it's easier than it sounds
benkay: oh i agree - forgive me for giving the impression that i think diceware doesn't work
benkay: and diced passphrases are way better than the shorter, random ones
benkay: i've just started waking up in cold sweats, haunted by mpoe-pr's story
jurov: everyone gets all heprderp and then comes schneier "just think of a sentence and use first letters"
jurov: now how hig entropy can *that* have?
jurov: iirc every word in english sentence adds only 4 bits or so...and if one strips if to first letters
jurov: just a disaster bound to happen
jurov: oh what happened to mpoe-pr ???
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.0890001 = 0.623 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00016701 = 0.167 BTC [-]
benkay: she wrote a story a while back
benkay: "that which will be delivered" or some such
benkay: i've completely failed to dig it up
jurov: for the competition?
benkay: b'leev so
jurov: yes i know
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 242 @ 0.00567491 = 1.3733 BTC [+] {6}
benkay: the one about the kid and the keys
benkay: yours gave me no small heebie-jeebies either
ozbot: Shall be Delivered | The Whet
benkay: the "whet" not the "what"
jurov: yes. but hannah's would only work if gpg would be akin to religion... only zealots could think of giving such responsibility to a child
jurov: not to say it's implausible, people can believe in anything
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1999 @ 0.00016599 = 0.3318 BTC [-] {9}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 13001 @ 0.00016094 = 2.0924 BTC [-] {4}
benkay: yeah man how does one teach good crypto hygine to kids?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18750 @ 0.00084318 = 15.8096 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 42 @ 0.07538107 = 3.166 BTC [-] {14}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.605 = 1.21 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 404 @ 0.0055 = 2.222 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.6 = 1.2 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7700 @ 0.00084086 = 6.4746 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 39 @ 0.0048 = 0.1872 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.09048 = 0.2714 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.090495 = 0.362 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12500 @ 0.00084086 = 10.5108 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.090995 = 0.273 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5000 @ 0.00017898 = 0.8949 BTC [+] {12}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 133 @ 0.00495352 = 0.6588 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 141 @ 0.00495356 = 0.6985 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] [PAID] 4,050.17291466 BTC to 500`000`000 shares, 810 satoshi per share
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] [PAID] 3.68215411 BTC to 3`000`000 shares, 122 satoshi per share
mircea_popescu: soo... turns out this was best dividend in s.mpoe history.
mircea_popescu: 428 satoshi on 29-09-12 and 506 satoshi 26-01-13 being the previous highs
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.07598485 = 0.5319 BTC [+] {2}
ozbot: Calling out the Bitcoin Foundation Scam.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 91 @ 0.00495354 = 0.4508 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41421 @ 0.00083883 = 34.7452 BTC [-] {3}
punkman: "KAM Analysts have come out and established the opening price for MZC at $1.00 USD as a opening price. "We felt this was a reasonable opening price with the Alt Market the way it is currently, Dogecoin is setting around $1.17 in some exchanges and MAXcoin is still right around $1.28."
mircea_popescu: what the fuck is this.
mircea_popescu: another "altcoin" with a 349587598437598349534 "mkt cap" ?
punkman: it's auroracoin for indians
mircea_popescu: great IDEA
ozbot: MazaCoin - About
mircea_popescu: sometimes i wonder if the "entrepreneur" scum even knows what idea means.
punkman: "During the first phase of the MazaCoin pre-mine, the Traditional Lakota Nation as represented by the BTC Oyate Initiative will pre-mine 25 million MazaCoins as the starting point of a National Crypto-Currency Reserve. This reserve is critical as a symbol of national sovereignty, and vital for the future of MazaCoin. "
mircea_popescu: we need more pianos to catch lots and lots of fingers in
mircea_popescu: i bet you some nigger* fuckwit somewhere thought "o hey, nobody can oppose this SCAM because it'd be raycest!!11"
mircea_popescu: *nigger in this context is a term of art. see http://trilema.com/2013/fried-chicken/ for the definition.
punkman: yeah I know, been working on my own niggers.txt
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15500 @ 0.00083813 = 12.991 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.608 = 1.216 BTC [+]
punkman: waiting for more lulz from that altcoin marketcap bet
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22315 @ 0.00083767 = 18.6926 BTC [-] {2}
wao-ender: today topic, scamcoins?
wao-ender popcorn.gif
mircea_popescu: wao-ender no it's just this bet.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00559998 = 0.56 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9365 @ 0.00083687 = 7.8373 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: the cuttoff for regs for the april conference is march 15th. there won't be late regs or anything.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17385 @ 0.00083667 = 14.5455 BTC [-]
dub: I'll be in cambodia
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.04270871 = 0.2563 BTC [-] {5}
jurov: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 288860 | Current Difficulty: 3.81572379881463E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 290303 | Next Difficulty In: 1443 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 10 hours, 57 minutes, and 23 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 3883050502.07 | Estimated Percent Change: 1.76445
mircea_popescu: not a bad place to be
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 14 @ 0.04241428 = 0.5938 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: (why did the chick cross the road ?)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 22 @ 0.00471013 = 0.1036 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23850 @ 0.00083849 = 19.998 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34600 @ 0.00083655 = 28.9446 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25977 @ 0.00083953 = 21.8085 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 150 @ 0.00470895 = 0.7063 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 627 @ 0.00463136 = 2.9039 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1298 @ 0.0001866 = 0.2422 BTC [+] {6}
mircea_popescu: that bitcoin scam foundation thread is really delivering the lels.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.0055 = 0.11 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 360 @ 0.0055 = 1.98 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00479999 = 0.48 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 26 @ 0.00559998 = 0.1456 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 188 @ 0.00567496 = 1.0669 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: we're in the middle of a debate as to how scammy this is.
ozbot: Satoshi should give away a good chunk of the 1.000.000 btc he has
mircea_popescu: teh forum hath spoken
chetty: there should be an award for the dumbest ideas
mircea_popescu: there is.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.6087 = 1.2174 BTC [+] {2}
jurov: darwin award doesn't quite apply to internet
KRS-One: Any rumor that mastercoin is going to save goxcoin
mircea_popescu: i heard auroracoin is going to disrupt rainbows.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55007 @ 0.00083292 = 45.8164 BTC [-] {2}
KRS-One: Its about time rainbows were disrupted.
KRS-One: Elusive bastards.
mircea_popescu: ikr ? now they're going to be square
KRS-One: wut! lel
KRS-One: First sinewave, now digital rainbows. Next thing you know cats will sleep with doges.
mircea_popescu: and have retarded otter children
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.6 = 1.2 BTC [-]
jurov: that's sloth, no?
mircea_popescu: lol i guess so
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.6099 = 6.099 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 826 @ 0.0008375 = 0.6918 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: The thing is, your brain has to be full of prions to think that this "Punked By Obama Supporter" video shows Fox being punked, either that or you're in first grade where the following exchange is considered an awesome practical joke: "I told you my name's Bill, but it's not, it's Will! All this time you thought it was Bill! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!" I'd warn that kid he's going to get himself beat up at recess if I wa
mircea_popescu: sn't helping collect the dirt bombs.
mircea_popescu: Imagine you are in the target demo for Fox & Friends (i.e. your ex-husband drives an F150 and your daughter's Nokia is bedazzled), would you feel punked? What would you see in the video? You'd see a wise ass, a self-aggrandizing cynic, a douchebag. So if he's pro-Obama, then the point is obvious: pro-Obama people are idiots. Thanks, Max, you helped the cause.
mircea_popescu: Imagine Gretchen Carlson doing what she should have done if she was smart: kept the interview going longer. "Oh, I'm sorry, Max, we must all be dummies here at Fox because when you told us you were pro-Romney we... just believed it. We do that with the Bible and pre-war intelligence, too, gosh golly. Well, you have a Columbia education and I'm giving you a national platform, why don't you tell us why we're all stupi
mircea_popescu: d here for supporting Romney? Why should we want Obama for a second term? Please, no soundbites you got from twitter." As the kid's head melts like he was staring into the Ark of the Covenant we'd see clearly that he isn't an Obama supporter at all. He may be voting for Obama, I have no idea, but he wasn't there for Obama, he was there for himself under the pretense antagonizing Fox, which is why his main argument
mircea_popescu: was "s'up." Advice for aspiring comics like Max: if you get to go on TV, you should probably prepare some material.
mircea_popescu: holy shit this guy's good.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.04325 = 0.173 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38400 @ 0.00083169 = 31.9369 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.042625 = 0.1705 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 300 @ 0.0055 = 1.65 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.60001625 = 2.4001 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15400 @ 0.00083628 = 12.8787 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 104 @ 0.00567497 = 0.5902 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1983 @ 0.00083083 = 1.6475 BTC [-]
moiety: mew
moiety: BingoBoingo, you around?
mircea_popescu: hey there moiety
moiety: mircea_popescu: are you
moiety: lol
moiety: yes hi how are you?
moiety: look at this http://imgur.com/gallery/X3IbG it's immense
mircea_popescu: you made that ?!
chetty: wow, I want one
moiety: i truly wish i made that mircea_popescu
moiety: how amazing is it
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
moiety: lol ^
moiety: i wonder who did make it and i wish there were better pictures of the sides
moiety: the set i made, i used half kinder eggs with beer cap crowns for queens lol
moiety: they had googly eyes too... made the game
mircea_popescu: neat btc product tho, find them and hussle them.
moiety: i think that's the only chess set you can commit a murder with
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.00567498 = 0.2837 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 300 @ 0.0055 = 1.65 BTC {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 402 @ 0.00567498 = 2.2813 BTC [+] {3}
moiety: omg its only $295
moiety: bizarre "only ships within united states" why is it in CAD then
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 40 @ 0.00457976 = 0.1832 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17735 @ 0.00083593 = 14.8252 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: "A Kremlin aide was quoted on Tuesday as saying that if the United States were to impose sanctions on Russia over Ukraine, Moscow might be forced to drop the dollar as a reserve currency and refuse to pay off any loans to US banks."
mircea_popescu: now that'd be a riot.
mircea_popescu: suddenly the eu is forced to ALSO drop the dollar because if you can't buy gas from the gazprom with it then what good is it ?
mircea_popescu: putin could just get done with it and declare obama must now spend a week naked in chains pulling the plow under the whip somewhere in rural ukraine.
asciilifeform: plow? bah. uprooted tree stump. what pre-iron-age slavs plowed with.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44737 @ 0.00083635 = 37.4158 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: but black slavery is a modern not pre-iron-age phenomena
mircea_popescu: let us preserve historic accuracy.
mircea_popescu: anyway, s/whip/knuth
chetty: 5. The fax machine was invented the same year as the Oregon trail migration.
asciilifeform: chetty: early faxes required user to trace over the picture
asciilifeform: by hand
asciilifeform: not quite what modern people have in mind when they think 'fax'
deadweasel: you have died from from plague. your party died in a river crossing.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform now we know how the office xeros romp got started.
asciilifeform: 'you have died of death'
asciilifeform: (i distinctly recall that being in there)
mircea_popescu: you know i never get you people. i always packed an arsenal of bullets, hunted, got super rich
mircea_popescu: i usually made 3-4x my money by the time i was in oregon
ozbot: 28 Year Old CEO Of Bitcoin Exchange Dead After Possible Suicide | NEWSWATCH
asciilifeform: nailgun?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 95 @ 0.0055 = 0.5225 BTC
mircea_popescu: karpuccinos
mircea_popescu: (twist : Autumn Radtke was a chick)
asciilifeform: probably asked to 'turn karp' and refused.
punkman: Poloniex hacked, but hackers only took out BTC, didn't care for the altcoins
mircea_popescu: what, they left all the auracoins behind ?
mircea_popescu: BUT IT HAS A MARKET CAP! with a fluffball and all.
asciilifeform: house burgled, thieves took tv but not the turds in the cat's sandbox...
punkman: "The major problem here is that the auditing and security features were not explicitly looking for negative balances."
punkman: "Because there is not enough BTC to cover everyone's balances, all balances will temporarily be deducted by 12.3%."
asciilifeform: can't wait for the exchange that keeps balances as 'unsigned int' and underflows into $MAXINT - epsilon when it gets cleaned out.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 113 @ 0.00574805 = 0.6495 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 505 @ 0.00574406 = 2.9008 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 988 @ 0.00574 = 5.6711 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07699997 = 0.154 BTC [+]
Multivac: haha, derps sell their LTCs for AURs, causing LTC to fal from 25 to 21, then BTCChina lists LTC and it goes to 27
ThickAsThieves: maybe itll go back to 40
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 340 @ 0.0049463 = 1.6817 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10800 @ 0.00083182 = 8.9837 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00575 = 0.575 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 25 @ 0.00490999 = 0.1227 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.00575 = 0.2875 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 26 @ 0.00574999 = 0.1495 BTC [-] {2}
ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
mircea_popescu: someone should dump that on twitter.
mircea_popescu: i mean reddit.
ThickAsThieves: get a MPOE-RedditPR
ozbot: Russia Attacked? Largest Oil Refinery In Europe Is On Fire In Huge Blaze | Chemtrails
mircea_popescu: sooo... is this a fake ?
ozbot: Largest Oil Refinery in Europe is on Fire | English Russia
ozbot: German oil refinery fire and explosion | euronews, world news
mircea_popescu: apparently it's shell's rheinland
asciilifeform: no snow in that one.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42285 @ 0.00083931 = 35.4902 BTC [+] {3}
diametric: Why is in a category called 'chemtrails'
mircea_popescu: probably because the chemtrails did it ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0434999 = 0.1305 BTC [+]
moiety: oh jeez
moiety: i don't like shell, but that's awful
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29500 @ 0.00083505 = 24.634 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: Transparent exchange maybe?
Rulother: Well we're expecting "big news" from them soon
ozbot: Blockchain.com - Bitcoin Wallet.
nubbins`: judging by the picture of an iphone
nubbins`: i'd say the big news is a functional html5 web wallet
nubbins`: to replace the ios app that got yanked
nubbins`: meh for some, a boon for others
asciilifeform: exploit bounty for yet others.
nubbins`: +1 :D
ThickAsThieves: KateCraig: "However, the bigger reason for the delay is that I've been trying to track down an accounting error. My spreadsheet says we should have much more in the h/w reinvestment fund than we actually have in the bank. I believe I've traced the issue to how depreciation was being calculated."
asciilifeform: 'On March 2nd 2014 Flexcoin was attacked and robbed of all coins in the hot wallet. The attacker made off with 896 BTC...' (http://flexcoin.com)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07699997 = 0.154 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: 'As Flexcoin does not have the resources, assets, or otherwise to come back from this loss, we are closing our doors immediately.'
nubbins`: well that's convenient
Apocalyptic: indeed
Apocalyptic: yet another self-hack
nubbins`: "Flexcoin, Inc is located in the Alberta, Canada"
nubbins`: ah, the Alberta
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00083505 = 8.5175 BTC [-]
azi`: why would anyone use a service described as "bitcoin bank"?
ozbot: Bitcoin bank Flexcoin shuts down after $600,000 theft - Business - CBC News
deadweasel: nice to have a shake-out now and again.
ozbot: flexcoin (flexcoin) on Twitter
nubbins`: feb 25: "We hold zero coins in other companies, exchanges etc. While the MtGox closure is unfortunate, we at Flexcoin have not lost anything."
nubbins`: march 4: "Flexcoin will be shutting its doors."
azi`: lol
ThickAsThieves: does LAMP have a way to autclose db connections (of a certain age) across all hosted sites
ThickAsThieves: or must it be done in each site script
diametric: ThickAsThieves: its been a while since I've done any PHP code, but all connections get closed if you open them with mysql_connect vs. pconnect
diametric: closed at the end of the session that is
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33508 @ 0.00083267 = 27.9011 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26600 @ 0.00083131 = 22.1128 BTC [-] {2}
punkman: "Make music with the world. "The Cypherfunks" is a decentralized band & cryptocurrency. A new way to make music in the 21st century! The cryptocurrency, enables the new music collective."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.04299999 = 0.129 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.043 = 0.172 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: to steal
punkman: "Or, in other words, if Satoshi Nakamoto is the Genius Father of Cryptocurrency as an advancement in cryptotechnology, then Thomas Jackson is its Genius Uncle as an advancement in cryptotechnology in world economics."
ozbot: $10M Calif. Gold Coin Hoard Found in Yard May Have Been Stolen From Mint - ABC News
asciilifeform: tldr: if you find gold, shut up, melt it down
ThickAsThieves: Nic Cary will be on bloomberg tv in 35m
ozbot: Bloomberg TV: Business Live TV - Bloomberg
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.609 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07699996 = 0.154 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52950 @ 0.0008303 = 43.9644 BTC [-] {3}
moiety: aww asciilifeform is that the couple who were out walking and found the gold?
asciilifeform: moiety: yeah, them
asciilifeform: moiety: linked piece mentions that it might be confiscated.
moiety: so if they prove its the 1900 heist money, they won't get anything?
asciilifeform: that was the claim, yes
moiety: plot twist : there weren't only five cans (i hope)
moiety: i'd be too frightened to open the cans for fear of beasties
ThickAsThieves: mircea_popescu pm
ozbot: Official CaVirtex.com Thread
nubbins`: now that's an interesting way to respond
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 13 @ 0.043 = 0.559 BTC [+]
nubbins`: <b><i><u>My response</u></i></b>
nubbins`: quoting is hard etc
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 51 @ 0.00489979 = 0.2499 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 20 @ 0.043 = 0.86 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 62 @ 0.043 = 2.666 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves lol katecraig is still delayed ?
mircea_popescu: wasn't it xmas ?
mircea_popescu: aww flexcoin eh ? which was this one ? i forget.
Apocalyptic: the first bitcoin bank
Apocalyptic: it's been around for a while afaik
mircea_popescu: pretty sure it's not the first thing posing as a bank no
nubbins`: hadnt heard of it before today
Apocalyptic: should have included quotes I guess
mircea_popescu: larger amounts of airqutes pls
nubbins`: the "first" bitcoin "bank"
mircea_popescu: t"he" etc
nubbins`: "theft"
mircea_popescu: AIRQUOTE EVERYTHING
nubbins`: "flexcoin" "will be" "shutting" its "doors"
ThickAsThieves: hehe obama is announcing new budget from an elementary school
nubbins`: did someone whisper it in his ear while he was reading a story?
nubbins`: followed by a look of utter confusion and a few more paragraphs of story-time?
nubbins`: hey those aren't your doors!
ozbot: Report slum landlords, Dennis O'Keefe says - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News
nubbins`: "O'Keefe said the city will act quickly on complaints once they're received, but if a landlord refuses to allow an inspector into the unit, the city then has to go to court. If an order to clean up a property is then ignored, they would have to go to court again."
nubbins`: report slum landlords, wait two years for solution
nubbins`: meantime, get kicked out of your house
mircea_popescu: that's you ?!
nubbins`: i'm not an o'keefe
nubbins`: nor a dennis, for that matter
mircea_popescu: is keefe like the most common canadian name ?
Mats_cd03: any bets on when the next exchange with >1000btc gets robbed
nubbins`: relatively uncommon
nubbins`: lots of o'keefes
nubbins`: 3 generations back, we were o'keeffe but dropped an o and an f
Duffer1: you mean "robbed" Mats? :P
nubbins`: "exchange"
Duffer1: hehe
nubbins`: "with", even
Mats_cd03: is there a sizable irish pop in cn
Apocalyptic: sounds about right
nubbins`: most of newfoundland has irish heritage
nubbins`: of some sort
nubbins`: the rest of canada, not so much
nubbins`: but it is a nation of immigrants, so y'know. pockets everywhere
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12700 @ 0.00083003 = 10.5414 BTC [-] {3}
nubbins`: TBF my ancestors came from england, nor ireland.
nubbins`: bbl picking up rent, etc
artifexd: I'm looking to buy some ATC. x-bt and openex orderbooks are too thin. Anybody selling?
mircea_popescu: artifexd maybe BingoBoingo
artifexd: ;;later tell BingoBoingo I'm trying to buy some ATC. Are you trying to sell?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00574998 = 0.575 BTC [+] {2}
ThickAsThieves: blockchain on bloomberg momentarily
ozbot: Bloomberg TV: Business Live TV - Bloomberg
ThickAsThieves: facebook is gonna buy drones to provide internet to africa
moiety: is mark spending his xmas money or something lately?
ThickAsThieves: blockchain.info bought clarkmoody
ThickAsThieves: integrating with zeroblock
moiety: o.o
ThickAsThieves: they bought rtbtc
mircea_popescu: the bitcoin founation policy of decentralisation ?
mircea_popescu: dun dun dun
ThickAsThieves: so they are opening a trading platform
arij: really? when did they buy cm/rtbtc?
Duffer1: acquire all the things
ThickAsThieves: this week arij
Apocalyptic: <ThickAsThieves> so they are opening a trading platform // wait, rtbtc was not just charts ?
mircea_popescu: "Tommie Rice Esti castigator, o PETRECERE de sfarsit de SAPTAMA..."
mircea_popescu: fucktarded romanian spammers. buy spam software, replace the subject/body copy,
arij: rtbtc lets you trade at gox/stamp using the API
mircea_popescu: use english names.
Duffer1: rtbtc is a trade platform
mircea_popescu: it totally makes sense some random tommie rice is fluent in romanian
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: twist. google's mail has built-in translation. so, spammers no longer need to study languages.
arij wonders what will happen to the bitvps link on clarkmoody
ThickAsThieves: it'll get a lot of clicks today
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah, this is actually correct romanian. it's nigh on impossible for gt to get 8 words straight.
ThickAsThieves: "our company will never touch fiat" cary says
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: no, what i meant was, the receiving end
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves "like we learned from mp" cary doesn't say
asciilifeform: if google's mail, will translate to luser's language.
mircea_popescu: cause he forgot that part.
mircea_popescu: one day i'll understand why this is so hard.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah, but, badly.
ThickAsThieves: ok zeroblock isnt an independent exchange, just an interfacing platform
asciilifeform: a good portion of english-language spam shows signs of being produced in exactly this way.
ThickAsThieves: for $20/m
mircea_popescu: i believe it.
wao-ender: good move bch.
wao-ender: these trading platform should rise
ThickAsThieves: i love how now that gox is dead, we don't get 25% price moves after every news tidbit
asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: a team of chumpatronic engineers is working around the clock to fix this.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12600 @ 0.00082991 = 10.4569 BTC [-]
wao-ender: soon they move to another X
asciilifeform: 'a holy place never remains empty' (rus. proverb)
asciilifeform: expect a 'MtFox' or the like, using mouth and arse- prints for N-factor authentication and 'AML' government id both
asciilifeform: or something like that.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00485001 = 0.2425 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: the only sure bet is that there will be some sweet placebo to reassure the chumps that 'this time, It's Different !11! (TM)'
ThickAsThieves: reddit is very disappointed in Cary
ThickAsThieves: it is kinda non-news
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform has it lol.
mircea_popescu: mp says gox is trading with itself, ppl are like oooooookay.
mircea_popescu: then gox goes away and price suddenly is quite stable.
ThickAsThieves: also they shouldve at least rebranded the acquisition site fully
mircea_popescu: so mp goes oooookay.
ThickAsThieves: they just slapped a squished logo on it
ThickAsThieves: tsk tsk brandbuilding!
ThickAsThieves: well gox is probably also what got us to $300+
ThickAsThieves: blockchain also shoulda removed this frozen gox chart from clarkmoody lol
ozbot: Bitcoin Data Platform | RTBTC
mircea_popescu: what's the rush.
ThickAsThieves: well they just said "Hey look at me!"
ThickAsThieves: typiclaly a good time to comb your hair
mircea_popescu: http://imgur.com/Jr4uWC2 << check that shit out, suddenly "no data available/0 views"
ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
mircea_popescu: i didn't know imgur deleted stats ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 6 @ 0.05110001 = 0.3066 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 22 @ 0.00485772 = 0.1069 BTC [+] {2}
ThickAsThieves: hmm that is odd
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 22 @ 0.00485 = 0.1067 BTC [-] {3}
deadweasel: it's not recording stats anymore either
mircea_popescu: CONSPIRACI
mircea_popescu: twist : is imgur running fractional reserve stats ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.0057498 = 0.575 BTC [-] {2}
deadweasel: they had to use yoru stats to cover the justin beiber run on imgur
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16623 @ 0.00082995 = 13.7963 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 74 @ 0.00574999 = 0.4255 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: a statschain divided upon itself can not stand!
mircea_popescu: friends! bitcoiners! citizens! lend me your views!
Duffer1: I only have likes, do you accept those?
Duffer1: actually i think i have some spare upvotes
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker likes/views
gribble: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitstamp. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure (1 more message)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.38356683 BTC to 3`617 shares, 65899 satoshi per share
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7177 @ 0.00082986 = 5.9559 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14623 @ 0.00083032 = 12.1418 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: in today's lol : trilema referrer ronpaulforums.com comes slightly ahead of somethingawful.com
mircea_popescu: not by much and towards the bottom of the pile, but anyway
asciilifeform: what's in the top of the pile?
mircea_popescu: direct, various rss and twitter feeds
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07699997 = 0.154 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: slashdot
mircea_popescu: reddit (0.o)
mircea_popescu: tardstalk
mircea_popescu: litecointalk
mircea_popescu: buncha chinese and russian stuff
asciilifeform: phun phact. first time i ever heard of reddit, i parsed the name as 'Red [i.e. communist] Edit [as in editorial]'
mircea_popescu: lots of ancient links
mircea_popescu: (my article about how to suck cock is still 3rd most read, won't yield that beast)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you were so woefully, drastically and deplorably off the mark with that
mircea_popescu: except wait...
mircea_popescu: no you weren't.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.60000003 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: i'm an 'LL(1)' parser.
mircea_popescu: i have a steak at stake and it's fucking sticking it to me
asciilifeform: i'd rather eat steak than stake.
mircea_popescu: im stoked :D
asciilifeform: 'stokes' is a joke, but green's is mean'
asciilifeform: (memory from a maths class)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 120 @ 0.00574999 = 0.69 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: i suppose we'll have to have rhymes day namean ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8150 @ 0.00082934 = 6.7591 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 676 @ 0.00462569 = 3.127 BTC [-] {8}
ozbot: Hands-on with Apple's CarPlay: when Siri met Ferrari (video)
moiety: so ugly!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37950 @ 0.00082934 = 31.4735 BTC [-]
wao-ender: looks resistive
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1650 @ 0.00083029 = 1.37 BTC [+]
moiety: looks resistable
wao-ender: capacitivy wouldnt has that flick buttons
Mats_cd03: looks like a good competitor to the stuff in tesla's cars
wao-ender: but volvo have capacitve one carplay, well
asciilifeform: who the hell wants a touch screen in a car
Mats_cd03: i do
asciilifeform: knob, you can twist without looking
Mats_cd03: im not a scrub that needs haptic feedback
Mats_cd03: its my opinion that good software solves that problem anyway
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't think the people targetted actually drive.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: !?
asciilifeform: screen is meant for passenger?
mircea_popescu: screen is meant for douche who can't afford a car at all
Mats_cd03: why cant you use a touch screen with a voice button mounted on teh wheel
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: how is this supposed to work? am i just thick?
mircea_popescu: "look how cool and from the future we are"
mircea_popescu: ferrari doesn't sell cars by convincing anyone to buy one
mircea_popescu: ferrari sells cars by convincing poor lithe 20something chicks to blow anyone in a ferrari
asciilifeform: so this is something like the ads on the washington d.c. metro for fighter jets and destroyers?
mircea_popescu: mutatis mutandis
mircea_popescu: or should i say, mutatits mutandine
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.0222 = 0.111 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: (this, incidentally, is also why all the limited edition crap)
mircea_popescu: check out all those healthcare savings already.
mircea_popescu: #obamawasright
ozbot: Breaking down spending in Obama's budget proposal - The Washington Post
mircea_popescu: tyl : veteran affairs cost as much as education or health care. who knew there's a cost to all that jingoism.
asciilifeform: in u.s., actual education (public schools, etc) is funded on state level
asciilifeform: federal 'dept. of ed' is something quite else
mircea_popescu: holden got hit with a -40%
mircea_popescu: "us no longer needs justice dept" ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the 'useful' part of the latter is being merged into the 'ministry of love' (DHS)
asciilifeform: (that being the armed stormtroopers)
mircea_popescu: o gee! just like the soviets.
mircea_popescu: epa got slashed. who knew
asciilifeform: it lives on fines
mircea_popescu: i guess if you have no economy you can save on environmnetalism
mircea_popescu: uh, they don't get to make fines part of their own budget do they ?
asciilifeform: they do.
mircea_popescu: whop the fuck came up with that stupid idea.
asciilifeform: just like local police depts
asciilifeform: (many u.s. police depts are funded largely by asset seizure - without anyone needing to be convicted of a crime)
mircea_popescu: that i know
mircea_popescu: even wrote about it
jborkl: as I understand it just the State of Texas lew enforcment takes in a billion a year mainly on weed
mircea_popescu: to me it registers as the #1 item on the list of why the us can't be4 taken seriously as a civilised state.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1222 @ 0.00461526 = 5.6398 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61889947 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.61889956 = 1.2378 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.07699997 = 0.539 BTC [+] {2}
deadweasel: civilization via wikipedia: Civilization or civilisation (in British English) generally refers to state polities which combine these basic institutions, having one or more of each: a ceremonial centre (a formal gathering place for social and cultural activities), a system of writing, and a city.
deadweasel: not a definition I would have expected.
deadweasel: so in the most useless sense, we are civlised.
deadweasel: now how do we actually define civilisation?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21640 @ 0.00082816 = 17.9214 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07699999 = 0.154 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 457 @ 0.00052008 = 0.2377 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61889968 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: deadweasel civilisation is the totality of material productions of an identified primate group.
mircea_popescu: as contrasted with culture, which is the totality of ideal productions of an ~.
mircea_popescu: together culture and civilisation describe privileged wife,
mircea_popescu: as opposed to bare life (ie, cattle).
mircea_popescu: s/wife/life
nubbins`: check your privilege :D
nubbins`: ba-dum-tss
mircea_popescu: quite typical for libertards to get stuck blaming the curb.
deadweasel: i prefer this definition. is somewhat more meaningful
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0896001 = 0.1792 BTC [-]
Mats_cd03: !ticker s.mpoe
assbot: It's so strange that you don't remember any of your poetry.
nubbins`: My name is Clark Moody, and this is my website. First of all, I love Jesus, and I want you to know him. He has changed my life forever, and His love has the power to change you.
benkay: is that kind of attitude an instant disqualifier for anyone elese?
nubbins`: ¬_¬
benkay: !t m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00082742 / 0.00084681 / 0.00086433 (1685008 shares, 1,426.89 BTC), 7D: 0.000745 / 0.00085725 / 0.00088723 (8472227 shares, 7,262.89 BTC), 30D: 0.000745 / 0.00087082 / 0.00093912 (29382299 shares, 25,586.83 BTC)
benkay: Mats_cd03: ^^
nubbins`: i only finished reading the sentence because my peripheral vision picked it up
Mats_cd03: !t s.mpoe
assbot: The round stones beneath the earth... have spoken through the fire.
Mats_cd03: !t m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00082742 / 0.00084681 / 0.00086433 (1685008 shares, 1,426.89 BTC), 7D: 0.000745 / 0.00085725 / 0.00088723 (8472227 shares, 7,262.89 BTC), 30D: 0.000745 / 0.00087082 / 0.00093912 (29382299 shares, 25,586.83 BTC)
moiety: yes benkay, so much yes
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.0055 = 0.11 BTC
benkay: hullo moiety
benkay: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:158cca9962694cd90af05df37425fc2724c92c39cbcaa5b2965f8160
gribble: You are now authenticated for user benkay with key 39F274AFBC7ACAC7
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 189 @ 0.004615 = 0.8722 BTC [-] {3}
benkay: i'm uninterested unless they're yours, mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: my whats
nubbins`: flaps
mircea_popescu: no homo ?
benkay: tits
nubbins`: it's all a spectrum man, don't fight it
benkay: tits in a parking lot are cool, don't get me wrong
asciilifeform: for newswank aficionados, mr. o update his post (http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2014/03/reichstag-fire-in-kiev.html) with summary of today's.
benkay: but i seen plenty of that nao
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 52 @ 0.0046 = 0.2392 BTC [-] {4}
benkay: mircea_popescu's tits, though, that's an entirely different story.
moiety: mircea_popescu: you have a knack for finding naked girls outside
moiety: lol at least these ones get shoes
mircea_popescu: moiety some even get a purse.
BingoBoingo: artifexd: ATM I would not be selling ATC at the current market prices
moiety: lolol
mircea_popescu: "Also, something of a consensus among military experts has emerged: Ukraine's army can't fight."
moiety: BingoBoingo: there you are i tried to twitter at you
mircea_popescu: once a state makes the comitment of calling a general mobilisaiton and its ignored,
mircea_popescu: that state is finished.
asciilifeform: 'they had a war and nobody came'
mircea_popescu: sort-of like calling a no confidence vote and not getting any yes.
mircea_popescu: exactly.
mircea_popescu: gotta advertise it on social media better next time.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30400 @ 0.0008303 = 25.2411 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: and incidentally : this is quite instructive for the attentive watcher. with the exception of china and some other asian majors, NOBODY is capable of war.
mircea_popescu: i don't give a shit that the us could deploy fifty or fifty thousand specially trained idiots.
BingoBoingo: moiety: Ah, cool link
mircea_popescu: if it comes to war and there's a general mobilisation, the us couldn't gather even ukraine's 1%
mircea_popescu: the entirety of the combatant populace would be "can they just rape us instead ? we'll fuck for peace"
ozbot: The Military Draft
asciilifeform: haha apparently i'm still good for cannonfodder
mircea_popescu: anyway. the us is in this position where it has to learn to play second fiddle/cocksucker to the actual powers that be
mircea_popescu: and get damned good at it and fucking love it.
mircea_popescu: ideally by last week.
asciilifeform: '... If you have a 'specialty' field such as... a degree in computer science... you could be 'drafted'..'
asciilifeform: (presumably, to install winblows on the platoon laptop, so grunts can play Quake.)
mircea_popescu: ya that'll do a lot of good.
mircea_popescu: fun fact : thai underage prostitutes also value those among them that can fix smartphones.
mircea_popescu: "Now I know better. The government is in the hands of satanic, globalist traitors who are following a script to destroy America and its people"
asciilifeform: in the east, people do indeed fix phones!
mircea_popescu: jesus all the anger.
asciilifeform: when i bought a digital hot air machine circa '07, it came with a whole sausage of power plugs for various phones of the period
asciilifeform: (chinese)
mircea_popescu: hot air machine = tv ?
deadweasel: nubbins, re: clark moody/jesusIsLord, yes, instant disqualifier
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.04261333 = 0.1278 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: o the actual thing
mircea_popescu: deadpanning my comedee
asciilifeform: right. literal hot air
asciilifeform: the most chinese possible. as in, bouncing ball for air pressure gauge.
asciilifeform: essential household tool
asciilifeform: even if you don't solder
asciilifeform: (e.g. melt hot glue without destroying the glued item)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26046 @ 0.00082709 = 21.5424 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: dry nail polish
asciilifeform: nah, vacuum works best for that one
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 195 @ 0.00459999 = 0.897 BTC [-] {2}
artifexd: BingoBoingo At would price would you sell?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if the bitch is spherical.
asciilifeform: ah you meant on actual human nails.
mircea_popescu duly notes that asciilifeform takes his harpies well manicured.
BingoBoingo: artifexd: Maybe throw out some prices and I'll way yes when one is agreeable?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.61944984 = 1.2389 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 35 @ 0.00465 = 0.1628 BTC [+]
ozbot: BTC Stolen from Poloniex
asciilifeform: unrelated: did anyone ever answer the call to implement btc reference client compatible in verilog?
benkay: suspicious activity monitors: nontrivial to implement.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79200 @ 0.00082516 = 65.3527 BTC [-] {2}
benkay: transactional database transactions: what the hell is that and why would anyone?
asciilifeform: (doesn't have to be verilog in particular - any circuit description system would do)
mircea_popescu: benkay here's a random thought : as long as you're not running on transactional hardware, your "transactional" db stack is exactly implementable in mysql.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 265 @ 0.00468773 = 1.2422 BTC [+] {2}
artifexd: A million ATC for 1 btc
mircea_popescu: artifexd it's been trading over 100 satoshi since it was invented.
mircea_popescu: i think 125ish was the cheapest it ever went
artifexd: I bought 10k this morning for 75 satoshi
mircea_popescu: wow. who from ? where ?
asciilifeform: (circuit-level implementation, done correctly, would leave no room for doubt as to the fate of every input bit, and the origin of every output)
ozbot: X-BT - The new marketplace for trading Bitcoin with Litecoin, Namecoin and Altcoin
mircea_popescu: pankkake you around btw ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo an' how about you ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6265 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00475 = 0.475 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: from the 'weirdest CAPTCHA' candidates: http://www.microchip.su/search.php
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I'm on x-bt as well. For an OTC trade I dunno if I can sell for less than 200 satoshis seeing how thin the asks are.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo suppose i send you a btc so you can put a buywall at 100 in ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I could do that
mircea_popescu: pm me an addy then
moiety: asciilifeform: flippin' heck! @ the captcha
artifexd: The asks are thin. I'd be willing to do a million for 150 satoshi each.
ThickAsThieves: I can sell some for 750sat
BingoBoingo: artifexd: Let me auth and I can sell 75000 at 150 satoshis per
BingoBoingo: ;;eauth BingoBoingo
gribble: Request successful for user BingoBoingo, hostmask BingoBoingo!~BingoBoin@unaffiliated/bingoboingo. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/309BB8D7F3251143
artifexd: BingoBoingo deal
artifexd: ;;ident
gribble: Nick 'artifexd', with hostmask 'artifexd!~artifexd@unaffiliated/artifexd', is identified as user 'artifexd', with GPG key id 11D1433947A3327A, key fingerprint 58A4FD3F492F49F5ECEA9D9911D1433947A3327A, and bitcoin address None
BingoBoingo: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:cc40ed3fbc8fef3a0949519122251b4db3bd6e36158af2dc2c7b9ab1
gribble: You are now authenticated for user BingoBoingo with key 309BB8D7F3251143
artifexd: pm addresses?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33740 @ 0.00082443 = 27.8163 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 61 @ 0.00475002 = 0.2898 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: K, I am still waiting on a confirm on my withdrawal from the exchange
mircea_popescu: how slow are atc blocks these days ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 319 @ 0.00475 = 1.5153 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: o right right
BingoBoingo: Anyone mind pointing a Bitfury at ATC for a few minutes?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00479997 = 0.24 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6281 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: ;;tslb
gribble: Time since last block: 50 seconds
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.13311598 BTC [-]
ozbot: Feds now oppose Aereo, rejecting cloud apocalypse argument | BetaBoston
benkay`: want to do something clever?
benkay`: leave the fucking states.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 54 @ 0.00470001 = 0.2538 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 360 @ 0.0047 = 1.692 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: did they rule ?
artifexd: While BingoBoingo has my appreciation for selling ATC to me, my bid for 1,000,000 ATC at 150 satoshis remains open. Thanks BingoBoingo!
ThickAsThieves: not til April
mircea_popescu: artifexd why no put it on x-btc ?
artifexd: I put part of it on there.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35126 @ 0.00082764 = 29.0717 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: that book getting some meat on it.
artifexd: eh. not really. 2 million is me.
mircea_popescu: a, the aero thing is yest news really.
mircea_popescu: artifexd that 500k and 1.5 mn?
artifexd: yeah
artifexd: Wait. No. Only 500k of the 1.5 mn is me.
artifexd: So, I only have 1mn in bids up.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 30 @ 0.05107333 = 1.5322 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 4 @ 0.051 = 0.204 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 35 @ 0.03636431 = 1.2728 BTC [-] {7}
KRS-One: .bait
KRS-One: lol
ozbot: Twitter / FaceBitCoin: We got news for you, bub. If ...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 84 @ 0.03187883 = 2.6778 BTC [-] {2}
KRS-One: haha hmm
KRS-One: that girl is thick but looks damn good
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 15 @ 0.02511115 = 0.3767 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.63140501 = 3.7884 BTC [+] {4}
ThickAsThieves: COG selloff
mircea_popescu: !t h cog
assbot: [HAVELOCK:COG] 1D: 0.02511115 / 0.0371273 / 0.05110001 (181 shares, 6.72004135 BTC), 7D: 0.02511115 / 0.04444576 / 0.08388999 (514 shares, 22.84512193 BTC), 30D: 0.02511115 / 0.06244861 / 0.11980000 (1662 shares, 103.78959078 BTC)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 5 @ 0.02512 = 0.1256 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: getting a surprising amount of traction on casascius coins this past week
artifexd: nubbins` What's a series 1 with error running for nowadays?
nubbins`: all of the series 1s have errors ;)
nubbins`: if you mean a 1btc brass series 1, anywhere from 2.5btc to 5btc
artifexd: I do. Thank you.
nubbins`: fun fact, the 2011 1btc series-2 (non-error) are much harder to find
nubbins`: yet they command a lower premium
nubbins`: figure that out
mircea_popescu: so buy a bunch and save them a decade
nubbins`: the problem with saving them for a decade is that i don't think the btc premium will hold up
mircea_popescu: someone should make a site allowing the pedigree of coins to be traced
mircea_popescu: it'll prove invaluable down the road
nubbins`: i've got pgp-signed documents from casascius stating my fingerprint and the serials of the coins i bought from him
nubbins`: i've been offering to extend the chain of custody with every sale
ThickAsThieves: plus, doge will take over btc anyway right
nubbins`: i think one person has taken me up on it so far
nubbins`: tat, +1
asciilifeform: coin should be electronic. with small camera, dead-reckoning navigation gyro... antifuse ROM for log.
asciilifeform: there's your pedigree record...
nubbins`: coindano
nubbins`: in my experience, most people who collect casascius coins don't know shit about coin collecting in general
nubbins`: it's very, very common to see people determining resale value based on face value ("3x face" etc)
mircea_popescu: take it the other way : the more you put into educating market, the sooner you'll have an educated market.
nubbins`: i've been trying, it's an uphill battle
mircea_popescu: your efforts explode exponentially, the fact you put in some sane structure today attracts wall street tomorrow
mircea_popescu: and of course a bunch of fuctards who imagine THEY had anything to do with it
mircea_popescu: but all that is plainly indifferent to you. there's no requirement the fucktards know who gaia is.
nubbins`: i honestly feel bad for the people paying 30btc for a 10btc piece because they saw an 0.5btc piece sell for 1.5
nubbins`: 18btc pissed down the drain
mircea_popescu: i feel bad with people with micropenis.
nubbins`: do you?!
mircea_popescu: for people*
ozbot: [WTS] Casascius Series 1 1BTC, 5 BTC, 25 BTC
mircea_popescu: not like they had 20 inches and decided to piss 18 of them away ya know ?
nubbins`: ^ re: face value and resale value
nubbins`: too true
mircea_popescu: such shitty photos
nubbins`: even the good photos are shitty. those things are almost impossible to photograph well
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 751 @ 0.0047 = 3.5297 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: because no tools.
mircea_popescu: (hint : spot lights don't work for coins)
nubbins`: nod. you need lighting
nubbins`: cell phone cameras are inadequare
nubbins`: inadequate, even
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30631 @ 0.00082649 = 25.3162 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 64 @ 0.00469999 = 0.3008 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: Even at today's exchange rates, that's a TWELVE THOUSAND DOLLAR premium. For a privately-minted round issued in 2013.
mircea_popescu: Go into a coin store and tell them about this, watch their jaw hit the floor.
mircea_popescu: anyway : you need a flat panel difuse lighting thing.
mircea_popescu: there's special kits for taking pics of small shiny shit like coins
nubbins`: yeah
nubbins`: phone cameras usually have auto-focus as well, which really shits the bed photographing the holos
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mircea_popescu: this should be self-explainatory.
nubbins`: best casascius photos i ever took with a phone, and they're shit: http://imgur.com/a/BWHw5
mircea_popescu: nubbins` yeah, if you use a bed the advantage is that the focus is fixed
mircea_popescu: and you know VERY well exactly how far off the item is
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0762 = 0.1524 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: fun fact, i sold that coin for 5.5btc
nubbins`: "In short, you have NOTHING to worry about."
nubbins`: i've heard that before
ozbot: Critical crypto bug leaves Linux, hundreds of apps open to eavesdropping | Ars Technica
asciilifeform: Don't Blame The Mice!
ozbot: WTS: 2012 McLaren MP4-12C 3.8L 616HP Supercar
asciilifeform: also fun:
asciilifeform: 'It's significant that no one managed to notice such glaring errors, particularly since they were contained in code that anyone can review.' << ahahaha
nubbins`: "Hiring a lawyer to recoup < 50BTC is idiotic. Lack of practical legal recourse is what makes Bitcoin scamming so attractive."
nubbins`: i've heard THAT before, too.
nubbins`: BingoBoingo: i wish i had to use a glass to hear my neighbours
mircea_popescu: what, you mean https is in no way s ?
mircea_popescu: who would have thought this!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "what, you mean just because people could expend highly specialised, intricate work that's usually highly paid for free it doesn't mean they also will?!?!?!"
asciilifeform: it would remain derp even if the code were written to spec, by a god.
asciilifeform: because PKI == chumpatron
mircea_popescu: gedankenexperiment : cleanning the streets in my town is open source
mircea_popescu: i could be out there scraping gum from the sidewalk at this very moment.
asciilifeform: fools will install the patched version, and 'ahhh i'm seekure now.'
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 12 @ 0.0905256 = 1.0863 BTC [+] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.09254285 = 0.6478 BTC [+] {4}
nubbins`: grumble, no closer to getting keyboard input working in eulora
nubbins`: i wish there was someone else trying this on osx so we could compare notes ;(
nubbins`: [17:15:46] <ProphetDaniel> Hi there gentlemen
nubbins`: [17:15:53] <ProphetDaniel> I'm a newbie over here.
nubbins`: [17:16:35] <ProphetDaniel> And I would like to receive a positive 1 rating for learning the GPG/OTC for BTC
deadweasel: "i opened my box of animal crackers, what did I win?
nubbins`: "i learned how to do my job, where is my raise?"
deadweasel: i exist, therefore rate me a positive 1
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.61357 = 1.8407 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: ;:rate deadweasel 1 he exists
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.60007504 = 2.4003 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.00574999 = 0.1437 BTC [+]
benkay`: i get it
benkay`: everyone's retarded and incapable of doing things
benkay`: wanting ratings for using gpg
benkay`: thinking they're running companies
Mats_cd03: mircea_popescu: what do you think future revenues look like after the changes
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0896002 = 0.448 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29150 @ 0.00083069 = 24.2146 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: what are we talking about ?
Mats_cd03: @ s.mpoe
FabianB_: mircea_popescu: haven't read backlog yet, has s.bbet divident already been discussed?
mircea_popescu: FabianB_ report published, dividend paid, was there a problem ?
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 hard to say.
asciilifeform: s.bbet ?!
FabianB_: mircea_popescu: i have the feeling i got too much ;)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.0895 = 0.537 BTC [-] {2}
FabianB_: total div divided by 3 mil instead of 10 mil
jurov: how much did you get per share?
mircea_popescu: Mar 04 11:24:30 <assbot>[MPEX] [S.BBET] [PAID] 3.68215411 BTC to 3`000`000 shares, 122 satoshi per share
FabianB_: 122 satoshi per
mircea_popescu: a well, thanks for pointing out ><
FabianB_: but i think it should be around 37 satoshi
mircea_popescu: will be charging 2.577507877 BTC against march profits.
benkay`: why does the div command even have a notional float?!
mircea_popescu: early dividends because the mp can't math.
mircea_popescu: benkay` mostly for this reason.
FabianB_: heh, the bbet usual :)
mircea_popescu: we are very serious about our accounting
ThickAsThieves: what if i sell my bbet?
mircea_popescu: we just don't use the same maths as the rest of you
ThickAsThieves: no debt to pay!
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves efficient market hypothesis!
benkay`: it just introduces an opportunity to screw things up.
FabianB_: well, shit happens
mircea_popescu: your shares have already been discounted
mircea_popescu: FabianB_ on a monthly basis
FabianB_: yeah, since next months div will be better anyway :)
ThickAsThieves: friggin scammars
ThickAsThieves: better bet yes on altcoin market cap bet to cover losses
FabianB_: i guess it's the only sane way to move it to next month
mircea_popescu: FabianB_ pretty much.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.0047387 = 0.2369 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07699997 = 0.154 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: im just slightly distraught that there's no way i can blame this on kakobrekla
nubbins`: well, there is one way
nubbins`: unjustifiably ;D
mircea_popescu: benkay` but in seriousness : the float in the div command allows 3rd parties to verify the float.
mircea_popescu: as mpex won't let you pay for less than the records show, and you don't want to pay for more.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.04299986 = 0.344 BTC [+] {2}
FabianB_: most s.bbet shareholders are longterm anyway
benkay`: didn't you just pay to less than the nominal float?
mircea_popescu: !t m s.bbet
assbot: [MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.0005 / 0.00050531 / 0.000511 (810 shares, 0.41 BTC), 30D: 0.0005 / 0.000616 / 0.00077 (22069 shares, 13.59 BTC)
mircea_popescu: FabianB_ indeed lol.
mircea_popescu: benkay` no. to more.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 37 @ 0.04389905 = 1.6243 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: basically i paid the entire profit to the 3mn shares outstanding
mircea_popescu: rather than pay 0.3xprofit to the 3mn shares outstanding
benkay`: ah yeah
benkay`: that thing where you have shares off the exchange
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 14 @ 0.0439103 = 0.6147 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.04417857 = 0.3092 BTC [+] {3}
ozbot: Calling out the Bitcoin Foundation Scam.
mircea_popescu: teh gift that just keeps on givin'
BitcoinPropagand: Any btc millionaire here?
ozbot: FREE BITCOIN PROPAGANDA - HELP NEEDED
ThickAsThieves: lol usagi
benkay`: these arts are really impressive
ThickAsThieves: kakobrekla 0: -0 / +1(1)2013-07-151140 btc CPA contract.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves back in 2012 i think ? kako had an insurance deal on which usagi's cpa paid out
ThickAsThieves: word, the date threw me
mircea_popescu: yeah no way that was last august
mircea_popescu: it was way before your time
benkay`: BitcoinPropagand: austerity has neat type design, i just don't care about austerity at all.
benkay`: or working class gold at all.
benkay`: ufo for sale is moderately amusing
ThickAsThieves: ‏@CharlieShrem 3h
ThickAsThieves: Tomorrow, 12CT/1ET I'll be giving a powerful speech via Skype adapted from @Falkvinge Stockholm, 2006 freedom demonstration. #TexasBitcoin
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45700 @ 0.00082643 = 37.7679 BTC [-] {2}
ozbot: Twitter / BBCBreaking: Russia test-fires ...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32184 @ 0.00082992 = 26.7101 BTC [+]
benkay`: that'n's per-tic-u-ler-ly lulzy
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61000021 BTC [+]
ozbot: BitBet - Feeder Cattle Jan 2015 over $250 at any point in 2014
mircea_popescu: if anybody got any feeder cattle.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.62 BTC [+]
moiety: the bitbet i have been waiting for!
pLambert: what is this, a bitbet not based on bitcoin? Absurd!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.58261144 = 6.9913 BTC [-] {8}
moiety: how much do storage containers cost?
benkay`: TEU's run about 1.6KUSD over here, moiety.
mircea_popescu: yeah, coupla grand or so
benkay`: china ships 'em over and then doesn't want them back.
mircea_popescu: but you can't move gfs in containers.
moiety: ok i have a new grand plan!
BingoBoingo: WHy not?
moiety: yes you can mircea_popescu in fact, loads of them at once!
mircea_popescu: ps : for the people not doing agrifutures : gf is the code prefix for feeder cattle.
moiety: ohhh
moiety: lol
mircea_popescu: gfj4 is the current on the run (apr 2014)
ninjashogun: hi, mircea_popescu
moiety: this week's grand plan: (this one is for accomodation) http://www.worthytoshare.com/house-super-cool-inside-outside-shocked-much
nubbins`: "a powerful speech via Skype"
mircea_popescu: moiety yeah well, the poor of india live in containers since the 50s
nubbins`: "a serious document written in red crayon"
mircea_popescu: there are problem
mircea_popescu: nubbins` kids today.
pLambert: mircea_popescu: in your statements you keep saying "The P/E implied value per share is so far 0 BTC." What is that going to say when you do have earnings? Do you have a PE value you will calculate an estimated price from?
moiety: i bet they don't look like that mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: pLambert well, avg price / earnings
mircea_popescu: moiety there are problems, such as due to lack of foundations.
mircea_popescu: poor thermic and fonic insulation
mircea_popescu: it's really not such a great solution.
pLambert: yeah, I know how to get PE, but what is a P/E implied value?
moiety: 6 containers @ 2k each seemed fab idea.. ok i'll stay in my igloo
asciilifeform: shipping container works best when you bury in a concrete-lined pit.
mircea_popescu: pLambert the implied simply translates the fact that the earnigns and the price signals are averages and so... a guess.
mircea_popescu: moiety 1.5-2k is for an actually functional ones.
moiety: asciilifeform: couldn't you sort of paint the inside iof it with cement?
mircea_popescu: you can prolly buy scrap for the cost of metal.
asciilifeform: moiety: structural, rather than decorative
moiety: yes but to save having to bury it
asciilifeform: earth + planks is the frame for the pour.
asciilifeform: so, buried.
moiety: i just feel renting is such bad value
asciilifeform: moiety: you rent a shipping container?
mircea_popescu: no, she curently rents a tea cozy
mircea_popescu: but plans to move up in the world
moiety: you qould buy it if you were to live in it though right
asciilifeform: where i live, it is forbidden to live in anything that is not a house, except in specially-designated leper colonies.
moiety: mircea_popescu: exactly! discovering containers aren't really 'up' though now XD
moiety: asciilifeform: there was a couple here built an amazing house and they had to tear it down becauseit didn't qualify
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so move to missouri. you can live in a beer can tower there
asciilifeform: see note re: leper colonies
ozbot: Couple lose fight to save 'hobbit house' eco-home from demolition - Wales Online
moiety: wonderful inside
mircea_popescu: The appeal by Megan Williams was dismissed because the 'benefits of the development did not outweigh the harm to the character and appearance of the countryside'.
mircea_popescu: what srsly ?
dub: was thinking about putting something like this behind my place as a bar/bbq kitchen
mircea_popescu: who the fuck asked anybody,. it's their fucking land.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you have allodial titles where you live?
mircea_popescu: in this sense, yes we do.
mircea_popescu: you can build whatever the fuck you please as long as you own the land.
asciilifeform: in anglo world, land isn't really owned, just borrowed from the crown - like in ussr.
mircea_popescu: ;;google turn eiffel slobozia
gribble: The Eiffel Tower Replica In Slobozia, Romania Is Especially Awesome: <http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/01/the-eiffel-tower-replica-_n_4337941.html>; Slobozia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slobozia>; List of Eiffel Tower replicas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Eiffel_Tower_replicas>
mircea_popescu: yes, but in the roman empire land is actually owned.
asciilifeform: colleague of mine had to search for ages when buying a house where one was permitted to... plant an orchard.
mircea_popescu: ridiculous
mircea_popescu: romanian friends went to us, bought land, proceeded to build (proper) house
dub: I could keep hens here but not a rooster
mircea_popescu: which means, concrete foundation, brick walls
dub: and pen must be 1m from boundary
mircea_popescu: ended up with a fucking bitter legal fight and eventually left the place with the idea that the us is a pre-modern shithole
asciilifeform: let me guess. couldn't get a government-approved architect to sign off on it
mircea_popescu: no, you were not allowed to build houses that solid.
mircea_popescu: gotta use vinyl siding crap
mircea_popescu: yeah it was like "i'm shooting this pencilneck" "dude what the fuck do you care about some random us pencilneck. go to peru, build there."
ninjashogun: is anyone here interested in loans? (I'm trying to raisie one as part of bootstrapping my hardware startup)
mircea_popescu: at this rate we'll probably end up with a "no soliciting" rule.
dub: let me in on dat
mircea_popescu: ninjashogun you think something magically changed since last week or w/e ?
ninjashogun: last week or w/e I also connected with people. Didn't find the right match. Different people could be in here now.
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
asciilifeform: ninjashogun: perhaps you have mistaken the address. loan lives at bank.
ninjashogun: likewise, the person that I basically actually have done all the legwork with, shared many forms of contact, etc, and agreed on basic terms - I also met online (different channel.)
mircea_popescu: you misunderstand how things work to an amusing degree.
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ninjashogun: asciilifeform, I don't think a bank loan can be used to finance what I'm doing. If it could there would be no need for angels in the world.
mircea_popescu: nothing can be used to finance what you're doing you fuckwit you.
asciilifeform: ninjashogun: bank loan can finance a dope habit
asciilifeform: you just have to... pay it back
asciilifeform: is the intended implication that... you don't intend to?
mircea_popescu: this nonsense whereby you secrete your own fictious world where you're not an idiot in spite of actually being an idiot is unfinanceable.
ninjashogun: mircea_popescu, well, considering that the startup has already been financed to an extent, your statement is false. Something can't be unfinanceable if it has been financed.
mircea_popescu: jesus god.
asciilifeform: if financed, then why ask?
pLambert: mircea_popescu: do we need another trilema post about how things are supposed to work?
mircea_popescu: pLambert no, because kids know better than to read anything anyway
ninjashogun: asciilifeform, because that was over a year ago, and that was to the company.
asciilifeform: and new one is to be to... ?
ninjashogun: asciilifeform, I would like to bootstrap a bit farther and need to make further milestones that have a nontrivial cost for me.
mircea_popescu: personally i blame the school system. this new idea whereby instead of beating them every time they fail to consult the dictionary upon encountering an unknown world they're encouraged to guess "based on context" what "it might mean"
mircea_popescu: it's been the ruin of an entire generation.
asciilifeform: ninjashogun: what are you building, that you need a loan? airplane? particle accelerator?
ninjashogun: to myself, as a personal loan. I would like to do it this way because the company has become much more valuable, has assigned IP assets, etc. It doesn't make sense to raise a small amount of company by the company.
mircea_popescu: ninjashogun you are nobody. what personal ?
mircea_popescu: does your brain work at all ?
ninjashogun: mircea_popescu, I'd ask you to tone it down a bit.
mircea_popescu: but i mean, at all. to an absolute modicum of minimal function.
mircea_popescu: fuck you
asciilifeform: i'm genuinely curious what this fellow intends to do with the money
mircea_popescu: you don't ask anything.
BingoBoingo: ;;ident ninjashogun
gribble: Nick 'ninjashogun', with hostmask 'ninjashogun!~User@212.96.61.236', is not identified.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo no, because the hip thing to do is to come here each week and not wot, and then ask mp to tone it down a bit
asciilifeform: if the answer is 'pay for groceries' he has the wrong address
mircea_popescu: god forbid anyone ever tells you when you're an idiot.
ninjashogun: asciilifeform, yes, like your examples of airplane and particle acccelerator, it is physical hardware. Obviously a plane on a new design would cost millions in R&D, however we just have proprietary educational hardware and have very modest needs (under about $17K)
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I see.
ninjashogun: which is why I wuold not raise external money for it - it is a small amount I would use as a bridge loan. But your thinking is correct, asciilifeform
asciilifeform: ninjashogun: please consider saying what it is.
asciilifeform: if you want to have a sporting chance of interesting someone
mircea_popescu: anyway, taking ideas on how exactly one manages to help the dunning-kruger crowd of entrepreneurs.
jborkl: you would be better off going to the lending subsection on bitcointalk
jborkl: that is where those type of loans reside
asciilifeform: ninjashogun: for instance, if you were to reveal what the hardware is, i might take pity and tell you how to obtain an equivalent for 17 instead of 17k usd.
nubbins`: ninjashogun if you ident i can provide you with any size loan you need
pLambert: I don't understand, why would you take a personal loan to finance your business instead of having your business get the loan it needs?
mircea_popescu: "Feb 25 08:13:06 <ninjashogun>guys I've received some suggestions to "lurk" and "read logs" here, which I wouldn't really have time to do. It was nice meeting you all though and I may be back as the project progresses. Overall I don't think I will be spending a ton of time building WoT, advisors, etc - as I have real-world references for the moment that I would expect anyone to consutl."
mircea_popescu: that's where we're at.
mircea_popescu: you have to be incredibly fucking retarded to go "hey guise, i don't give a shit about you bye"
mircea_popescu: then copme back a week later going "hey guise pls charity ???"
mircea_popescu: you've chosen your road, you're too good to do what you're supposed to do, go do it somewhere else.
pLambert: oh, wait, these things are recorded?
mircea_popescu: of course they're recorded.
nubbins`: every word
mircea_popescu: pLambert we've not even come to the part where he's taking a BTC denominated loan.
pLambert: getting a BTC loan is easy ... paying it back is the hard part!
BingoBoingo: Want to borrow, 5-10 BTC for gambling. Three month term, will return principle + 10% or list of losing bets << Is this questionable and scammy enough, I also ams not auth'd
mircea_popescu: and to top it all off, i actually took the time to point out to him the previous beggar that ended up here drug in by the openbsd story
mircea_popescu: at least that guy had a decent whine about noisy laptops and naked wives in eastern russia
BingoBoingo: Unfortunately he didn't anticipate mircea_popescu's preference whereby wives be naked
nubbins`: "or list of losing bets"
nubbins`: i like it
mircea_popescu: i wonder what roger ver pays for a list of losing bets
BingoBoingo: That's a good question
BingoBoingo: The problem with that loan structure known is it is easy to compile hypothetical losing bets after the fact
mircea_popescu: that's ok, roger ver buys everything
mircea_popescu: he's rich, bich.
mod6: heh
BingoBoingo: If only Betbet allowed bets open longer than a Year, "Roger Ver to fall under 1 BTC in holding by 2020"
mircea_popescu: how would you ever verify it ?
BingoBoingo: Also a good question.
BingoBoingo: Maybe Usagi's Eternal bond can buy into the gambling loan from hell.
mircea_popescu: only if you talk nice to him
mircea_popescu: actually... he's probably in desperate need of a friend.
ozbot: Canada Post says sorry for homophobic-flyer delivery - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News
BingoBoingo: I've probably talked mean to him in the past
nubbins`: interesting that they chose that for a headline, rather than "Canada Post now vetting and censoring addressed admail"
nubbins`: guess this means the price of stamps is going up
mircea_popescu: nubbins` ideally they stop delivering admail altogether.
mircea_popescu: that'd be a splendid measure.
nubbins`: would be even nicer
nubbins`: i'd be able to take the "no flyers please" sign off my mailbox
nubbins`: too much money in it tho
nubbins`: 40-50 cents per piece
mircea_popescu: perhaps i'm being silly, but i suspect there's actually a hidden barb in there. ie, superficially it seems there's too much money to give in,
mircea_popescu: but if you gave it up suddenly the post office wouldn't be floundering anymore.
mircea_popescu: consider the situation of prostitutes. while fucking random men for money is in fact more income than your average married woman makes on a day by day basis, cash in hand basis
mircea_popescu: nevertheless the net worth, average expenditure etc of married women exceeds that of prostitutes.
mircea_popescu: maybe if the post office quit being a whore it'd actually not go bankrupt every 15 years.
nubbins`: they're trying to phase out home delivery now, and move everyone to neighbourhood "supermailboxes"
nubbins`: the elderly and infirm be damned!
mircea_popescu: so you have to go queue for your flyers ?
nubbins`: not enough of them in one spot for a queue to be necessary
nubbins`: (do you think flyers still get delivered to that particular box?)
ninjashogun: sorry, nubbins`, just read the backlog now. I was chatting with a couple of people sorry.
nubbins`: ninjashogun: don't worry about it, i was kidding anyway. go fuck yourself
ninjashogun: I don't need 'any size loan' and we could look at the budget breakdown together as well - I would expect it to be based on real world identities and paperwork, not IRC.
BingoBoingo: Those seem to default more frequently than properly structured IRC loans though.
mircea_popescu: ok, which one of you trolls is impersonating satan over here ?
nubbins`: ninjashogun: consider that you might as well be walking into banks asking for a loan and providing your WoT identity
ozbot: spamatron - Pastebin.com
nubbins`: brb shepher's pie :D
ninjashogun: nubbins` Okay I'll bite. For people with real-world assets and paperwork, what on Earth benefit does ANYONE here get out of a robust WoT system existing?
mircea_popescu: you ever heard of this thing called bitcoin ?
ninjashogun: nubbins`, why is it a benefit for you that that even exists? (For cases where there is a real world identity behind both sides)
BingoBoingo: ninjashogun: Well just this afternoon someone supposed a deal, I took and and the thing was resolved in minutes.
ninjashogun: yeah mircea_popescu, I just heard of an exchange that might have just walked off with millions in deposits, because rather than rely on real world contracts to protect creditors (people who deposit) it just built an online trust model.
mircea_popescu: you misheard.
BingoBoingo: The used real world contracts to defraud, when they should have implemented a strong trust model
ninjashogun: BingoBoingo - if you trusted a stranger based on a WoT score and resolved a deal in a few minutes, you're very likely going to be scammed one day. It takes far longer than a few minutes to verify someone's identity that you've never met.
nubbins`: you're nothing if not tenacious
nubbins`: i'm not sure how best to express that nobody in this channel will ever, ever give you what you're looking for
nubbins`: almost every regular has tried
BingoBoingo: ninjashogun: People don't have a "WoT score" they have personalize networks. The score is the least relevant part of a WoT
ninjashogun: BingoBoingo - trust models can't be programmatic, or they will be games. For example someone will set up $10K just to spend on interest as they do hundreds of transactions with trusted members over a year - the only goal being to be given a $200K transaction that they then walk off with. You can't build trust programmatically.
mircea_popescu: actually, a better expression : over a short week, youv'e gone from some random scum nobody'd consider seriously to someone that everyone would make a point out of never doing any sort of business with. sort of from 0 to -100
mircea_popescu: i guess itmust be a talent.
asciilifeform: it is so very easy to build... distrust programmatically.
mircea_popescu: incredibly, but true. this can actually be done.
ninjashogun: mircea_popescu, well, this does not match my impression of conversations off of this channel. You seem to be the only one with a very strong view. I would humbly submit that it is due to your strong interest in one particular financial model. Of course if you start swearing at me people will dislike me.
ninjashogun: mircea_popescu, I've had private conversations that were just fine. It's true that you disagree with my approach and have clout here, you certainly set the tone in here, that's your right.
asciilifeform: actually i don't think anyone here is particularly fond of spammers and charlatans
mircea_popescu: that's a convenient misrepresentation.
mircea_popescu: im pretty sure everyone here'd manage to feed his children with or without me.
mircea_popescu: darn, beat to it again.
mircea_popescu: i really have to learn to type with both hands
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.09299796 = 0.279 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: lol a lot Diablo 2 players with they could type with one hand
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07699997 = 0.154 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller what are you up to these days anyway ?
asciilifeform: color me clueless, but i'm curious: who wrote eulora ?
mircea_popescu: it's a huge pile of software upon which chetty sits
asciilifeform: yes, i saw the bit about the uncooperative graphics libs, etc. but who wrote the remainder?
asciilifeform: chetty ?
mircea_popescu: nah, there's cal3d, which is a gfx library mostly. open source.
asciilifeform: remainder being the actual logic of the game
mircea_popescu: then there's crystal space, which is a collection of tools including networking and tons of other stuff
asciilifeform: there is one author, chetty?
mircea_popescu: only one credited so far.
mircea_popescu: why, you wanna dig into some C spaghetti ?
asciilifeform: just wondering which other people here commit the sin of programming.
mircea_popescu: i would say it's a safe bet that everyone but me
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: digging gratuitous C spaghetti as we speak.
mircea_popescu: and maybe nubbins. he draws.
mircea_popescu: and i guess moiety. she... hm. hey moiety do you code ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 8546 @ 0.00018001 = 1.5384 BTC [-] {3}
wao-ender: dicktricks.blogspot.com
ninjashogun: mircea_popescu, I've read more of your blogs. I'm curious about one thing. Do you have any investor relationships? (On your financial or exchange site, or whatever it is.) Meaning, do you have external investors of any kind?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 211 @ 0.00567497 = 1.1974 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: ;;google s.mpoe takes strategic investor
gribble: MPEx pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/category/mpex/>; Why S.MPOE is worth more than MtGox pe Trilema - Un blog de ...: <http://trilema.com/2012/why-smpoe-is-worth-more-than-mtgox/>; Iunie 2013 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2013/06>
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 350 @ 0.00464563 = 1.626 BTC [-] {14}
mircea_popescu: hm what was it called
ozbot: S.MPOE takes strategic investor pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: shame on you google.
mircea_popescu: wao-ender what the hell is that
wao-ender: manual!
ninjashogun: mircea_popescu, your style is 100% different from anything I've seen in my (albeit limited) interaction with business or investors. Your post quotes yourself, saying that you would not announce something publically. You post your own IRC conversation that you intend not to be public :)
mircea_popescu: yes, it is.
ninjashogun: publicly*
mircea_popescu: time is the essence there. everything becomes public eventually.
moiety: mircea_popescu: badly, i'm learning
mircea_popescu: moiety what are you learning ? php ?
ninjashogun: is that a 38,625 BTC transaction investing in s.mpoe?
ninjashogun: sorry I don't know how to read "assbot"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07550013 = 0.2265 BTC [-]
ozbot: 1 in 10 Americans think HTML is an STD, study finds - latimes.com
mircea_popescu: i wonder what css is then
ninjashogun: well, congratulations
moiety: mircea_popescu: javascript, html/css (obv) and i will go into php. i'm scared of the contents page of the python book
asciilifeform: XX% click random box when answering survey. news at 11...
mircea_popescu: moiety maybe you're not the sort that learns by books, but work better with examples.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's exactly 10%, which is why i quoted it.
mircea_popescu: "10% of respondents will lie in any study" is the adage of social sciences.
asciilifeform: well, YY% deliberately pick the most perverse answer
mircea_popescu: the fact that the author eschewed the 10% notation (which is like a symbol by now) for 1 in 10 is kind-of telling
mircea_popescu: they know they got nothing
moiety: mircea_popescu: i think you're right, goes in better to see things working rather than a mass of info for me :)
ninjashogun: moiety, what are you building?
mircea_popescu: so then work it that way. build an exchange
moiety: my kingdom!
moiety: erm just sites just now ninjashogun i think i'll know what to do more, the more i learn XD
asciilifeform: moiety: example - the blockchain-operated www-less exchange discussed last week (?)
asciilifeform: good project for beginner
asciilifeform: (guaranteed not to behave perversely 'under load', no web crap)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so what does she do, import blockchain ?
ninjashogun: Chapter 1) <h1>Hello</h2> Chapter 2) p {color:black;text-align:center;} Chapter 3) alert("I am an alert box!"); Chapter 4) Putting it all together: Opening your own online exchange
asciilifeform: use conventional bitcoind (and litecoind, or whatever the other side of the trades is)
mircea_popescu: moiety you ever managed to compile bitcoin or any altcoin from source ?
moiety: no i haven't attempted it
asciilifeform: and spew forth 'listtransactions ....' and 'sendrawtransaction ....' etc
asciilifeform: no need for special programming language support.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform your project may be outside of what she conveniently approaches.
asciilifeform: easier project, for complete beginner, then
asciilifeform: translate http://www.loper-os.org/bad-at-entropy/GD.BAS to modern programming language of your choice
mircea_popescu: you are possibly the worst pedagogue i have ever seen.
asciilifeform: what would you suggest - 'hello world' ?
mircea_popescu: who the fuck ever saw basic look so close to lisp anyway
asciilifeform: problems have to be interesting
asciilifeform: or student goes somewhere far away
moiety: i'll try this!
mircea_popescu: well this is true
mircea_popescu: moiety it can possibly be done in javascript i suppose
ninjashogun: asciilifeform, wtf - did you write that basic code?
asciilifeform: it is far older than i.
asciilifeform: and was originally fortran.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform a wait, this is the source for the markov chain predictor innit
ninjashogun: okay, I'll bite. What does sp and sk and k1 stand for? I'll assume p1 and p2 are two...points...
mircea_popescu: didn't mike_c translate it to js just to pester me ?
ninjashogun: mircea_popescu, good guess! Congrats.
asciilifeform: a very hasty js
ninjashogun: mircea_popescu, yeah I was just thinking how close that basic looks to Perl. Leaevs you with the same impression :)
mircea_popescu: probably cause it's written by perlispers stuck in a basic body
asciilifeform: don't let the capital letters fool you - there is nothing peculiar about the basic
moiety: you just gave me the answer!
Namworld: I need to borrow auroracoins
ninjashogun: don't peek, moiety :)
mircea_popescu: Namworld i don't have any
Namworld: So freakishly bad
ozbot: Dead soldier gets 1-cent cheque from federal government - Latest Hamilton news - CBC Hamilton
mircea_popescu: for ich bin nicht ein islandeer
nubbins`: BRUTAL
ninjashogun: no life is worthless :/
nubbins`: also brutal that some scumbag politicians used it as an excuse to blast the government in the house of commons
nubbins`: but seriously, imagine
nubbins`: two and a half years after your son kills himself, the government sends him a cheque for a fuckin penny
mircea_popescu: i imagine the costs of "making sure this never happens again" will be happily borne by everyone then
ninjashogun: “I extend the apologies of … everyone in the government to his mother. And we thank this individual for the service that he gave his country,” he said, "and are saddened by this grave error. The check was never meant to go out. Mrs. Stark, please accept our sincerest apologies - and by all means, keep the penny."
mircea_popescu: lmao they said that ?!
nubbins`: no ;(
moiety: omg insult to injury or what
nubbins`: they don't even make pennies anymore. if you cashed that at a bank, you wouldn't get anything.
mircea_popescu: what if they had sent him 2cent cheque ?
Namworld: the last part wasn't said.
mircea_popescu: hey, here's our 2c
nubbins`: if it was 3 they'd round it to 5
mircea_popescu: i threatened my bank's clerk with having her write me one penny cashier checques for a few hundred lei coupla weeks back
Namworld: No, it only becomes acceptable at 5.50$ or higher.
mircea_popescu: she went pale
Namworld: Obviously
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ozbot: The Last Psychiatrist: The Second Story Of Echo And Narcissus
mircea_popescu: this guy's too good, for srs.
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moiety: oh i love this blog. i was on there for ages other day after you linked it mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: very smart guy.
mircea_popescu: he should have his own school.
moiety: honesty and reality amongst psychiatrists in this manner is rare, love the way he talks
moiety: felt like forwarding several things to doctors from my last hospital
moiety: (where i worked btw!!!!)
mircea_popescu: actually he should probably have his own country.
mircea_popescu: putin is ok, but what if ballas was dictator-general of latvia or something
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: his subjects will read the tales, and, having understood well, will seppuku from remorse (in a hidden place, so as to perform the act non-narcissistically.)
mircea_popescu: i read them and feel roughly on par with a good session of reading the torah
mircea_popescu: tho arguably less demanding.
asciilifeform: to my shame i admit that the part with echo and narcissus reminded me of the fellow who had Eliza and Ractor talk to each other.
asciilifeform: s/ractor/parry
mircea_popescu: who won ?
ozbot: Eliza and Parry: When the machines talked to each other
asciilifeform: there we go
mircea_popescu: afa\ik it was actually ractor
mircea_popescu: wasn't it the schizzo ?
asciilifeform: (robo-schizzo)
asciilifeform: eliza (for the uninitiated - robo-shrink)
mircea_popescu: it was ractor tho
mircea_popescu: wtf was ractor!
asciilifeform: PARRY: I went to the races.
asciilifeform: ELIZA: Please go on.
asciilifeform: PARRY: Do you know anything about bookies?
asciilifeform: ELIZA: What makes you think I know anything about bookies?
asciilifeform: PARRY: A bookie didn't pay me off once.
asciilifeform: ELIZA: What does that suggest to you?
asciilifeform: PARRY: I beat up the bookie who did not pay off, and I thought he might use his friends in the underworld to get even with me
moiety: mircea_popescu: he doesn't need a country, he needs to advise the world: http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2010/01/everyone_goes_crazy_in_differe.html
asciilifeform: if i recall, ractor was meant to write stories
mircea_popescu: anyway, you're right, it was parry that was the souped up eliza
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mircea_popescu: you know we should probably make a decoy chatroom
mircea_popescu: each write a bot
asciilifeform blows dust off shelf
asciilifeform: 'Artificial Intelligence and Literary Creativity: Inside the Mind of BRUTUS, a Storytelling Machine', Bringsjord & Ferrucci
mircea_popescu is looking to buy bot hosting nao
asciilifeform: good overview of the extant zoo of chatbots and shannonizers
mircea_popescu: i dun think i ever read it
asciilifeform: it's not a famous mega-work
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ninjashogun: mirceau - could I have a copy of http://trilema.com/2012/lets-have-fun-with-paul-graham/ please? It was linked from this interesting http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/01/01/how-silicon-valley-could-learn-to-bitcoin-part1/ that BingoBoingo linked me.
ozbot: Index of /afs/cs/project/ai-repository/ai/areas/classics/parry
mircea_popescu: so what's wrong with clicking the link ?
mircea_popescu: and why do you spell my name like deprived ?
BingoBoingo wonder how long it takes to catch with ninjashogun on that BingoBoingo did not merely link the linking article, but wrote it
kakobrekla: ThickAsThieves i made a deal with him before he went all mental, whats the issue? he paid. at least what we agreed on the end.
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asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: poor fellow is a bit of slow learner
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Most people are without a gasenwagen
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 81 @ 0.00477926 = 0.3871 BTC [-] {4}
ninjashogun: asciilifeform, I considered that a private conversation.
ninjashogun: asciilifeform, I will say that I am glad I was on guard with you. Anyone who builds anything has to manage building it with talking about it.
benkay`: ninjashogun: there's no minimum IQ required for participating on the internet.
mircea_popescu: the philosophical problem would be that privacy is impossible without identity
ninjashogun: hi, benkay`
ninjashogun: mircea_popescu, could you elaborate?
asciilifeform: spammer wants to talk to one chump at a time
asciilifeform: i get it
benkay`: asciilifeform your chumpatron essay came up at lunch today
asciilifeform: for all he knows, user with handle 'asciilifeform' is not alive at all, but only a bot that spews all PM'd crap out into #bitcoin-assets an hour later.
mircea_popescu: ninjashogun sheep have no privacy, nor crabs nor birds. privacy is a construct of the human mind, and it is built upon identity. which you don't currently have.
benkay`: general heading of "shit this firm is not touching with a nine-meter pole"
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: You mean you don't run that bot on your nick?
benkay`: ninjashogun weren't you just derping about not having time to derp in irc?
mircea_popescu: benkay` as per the earlier linked tlp article, narcissus got hooked by entity not returning his love.
benkay`: ya it's a pretty strong lure
benkay`: anyways ninjashogun if you want privacy on IRC this is what you do
ninjashogun: benkay` I am making the time, because it is important. I'm also surprised by some of what I have learned about bitcoin-assets.
ninjashogun: For example I thought mirceau completely bootstrapped his thing, had no investors of any kind, since he doesn't deal with them the way startups I've seen do.
benkay`: ask your counterparty to sign a declaration they'll not publish records of your conversation
kakobrekla: what did you learn about bitcoin-assets ?
ninjashogun: Instead he got 30K btc as an investment, valuing his thing at one point around $1B. This is just totally different from what I was expecting.
benkay`: of course, asking for a thing from someone in the WoT without having your own identity is a bit el oh el, but whatever and airplanes etc.
mircea_popescu: you're nuts yo.
mircea_popescu: bootstrapping happened in 2011
mircea_popescu: i can take an investor on any terms i want in 2013, seeing how i'm already valued at a billion, with him or without him.
ninjashogun: mircea_popescu, sorry, I don't know the details. I just see that you're active on IRC and was just going by how you talk and participate. You also have a lot of time here.
ninjashogun: yes, I agree with you. I was just surprised to learn this!
ninjashogun: It's totally different from the ecosystem I knew before. Also, the fact that you post logs and do a lot via IRC. That surprised me a great deal.
mircea_popescu: i guess you didn't read BingoBoingo's other article
ninjashogun: I haven't finished reading it, no.
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mircea_popescu: anyway. the arduous task of reading -assets logs / lurking is at least offset by it being... interesting.
ninjashogun: I guess basically I wasn't taking these projects as "seriously" as other parts of the startup ecosystem. But perhaps it's true that "silicon valley has a lot to learn from bitcoin"
mircea_popescu: perhaps.
ozbot: Romanian Bitcoin Entrepreneur Steps In To Pay OpenBSD Shortfall - Slashdot
ninjashogun: yes, my valuation was informed by lurking in or being in other similar channels on IRC
ninjashogun: well, not "valuation" just what I thought of this channel. By the way this is called 'saliency bias'.
mircea_popescu: perhaps not as similar as all that.
ninjashogun: No, very different.
mircea_popescu: the great advantage of the irc is its splendid flexibility.
mircea_popescu: like any good tool, it can be used by people as smart or as dumb they may happen to be.
ninjashogun: so, thanks for saving openbsd, mircea_popescu.
mircea_popescu: nao BingoBoingo can run his vax moar.
BingoBoingo: Have to keep the Herd of Vaxen healthy
ninjashogun: I didn't realize you're Romanian either. I thought you were Brazilian :) (I don't speak either portuguese or Romanian)
ninjashogun: just saw romance-language like words that I didn't understand on your blog. (I do speak some French, Italian, Spanish so knew it wasn't those)
Duffer1: MP's library is mostly rosetta stone modules :P
ninjashogun: mirceau, as a Romanian do you hate Hungarians?
mircea_popescu: i don't hate them as a brazilian either.
ninjashogun: I'm an American but have some background from Eastern Europe. I always wondered about the animosity between some of those countries - and the friendship between the others.
mircea_popescu: it's greatly exaggerated for narrative effect.
ninjashogun: mircea_popescu, are you one of the richest Romanians by valuation (net worth) or were you around peak BTC price?
mircea_popescu: i have no idea. probably.
ninjashogun: it's pretty interesting
ninjashogun: and did you stay there or emigrate?
mircea_popescu: i never emigrated. i travelled plenty tho.
benkay`: .bait
benkay`: score
benkay`: .bait
benkay`: the left, for sure.
ninjashogun: benkay`, the guy in the biker shorts for you, eh? :)
benkay`: really gets me going
benkay`: girl's wearing too much.
benkay`: not wearing enough
ninjashogun: dear God just closing tabs and saw the slashdot link. What have they done?? http://beta.slashdot.org/story/197077
benkay`: THAT HEADBAND MAN ITS GOTTA GO
ninjashogun: what have they done to that poor site
mircea_popescu: it's a std.
ninjashogun: I guess I'm one of the 1 in 10 Americans now.
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mircea_popescu: -assets : the gift that keeps on giving
mircea_popescu: please clap.
BingoBoingo: Nothing but STDs here
mircea_popescu: benkay` fucking people. they run into naked girl, their interaction with her is subsumed to futzing with the phone.
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asciilifeform: everyone remembers baron munchausen's horse?
mircea_popescu: bucephalus ?
asciilifeform: nah that's alex
asciilifeform: the one that drinks
benkay`: mircea_popescu i mean i'd be unsurprised but that's because american men are a bunch of silly effettes
benkay`: "men"
asciilifeform: horse gets chopped in half and doesn't notice
asciilifeform: keeps drinking
benkay`: also you're probably standing right there taking that photo and shit timisoara's gotta be small enough that everyone knows not to fuck with MP's wimminz
BingoBoingo: moiety: You know about IRC nao... ANd you made yet another chat site?
mircea_popescu: benkay` that was in plattdeutschland
benkay`: still, here you are walking around with this woman in public, taking her photo and photos of everyone's reactions
mircea_popescu: cause i deeply care about everyone ?
benkay`: just out of manners i think i keep walking
benkay`: whatever trip you two are on i am obviously not invited
mircea_popescu: well either keep walking or else, you know, smile at her, do with the eye, tweak her nipple, something.
benkay`: most guys not really having the stones to go for a nip...
mircea_popescu: the oft retold story of me talking the bitches out to frolic in the snow, people with dogs going all stiff, carefully looking away. the dogs, kinda curious hmm... what is with these humans here ? the masters, completely nuts.
mircea_popescu: dog 1 : human 0 fcol.
ozbot: karpeles finger - Imgur
KRS-One: hah
benkay`: people man
benkay`: they know not to get involved
benkay`: i'm an idiot though
benkay`: look at me, i got involved with bitcoin
mircea_popescu: dat guy looks so french KRS-One
benkay`: FML
mircea_popescu: how's your lisp-of-everything coming along ?
asciilifeform: benkay`: and what about chumpatron
asciilifeform: i think i missed something earlier
benkay`: it comes
benkay`: haltingly
benkay`: ragel requires some oop boilerplate
benkay`: so delegates, implementing interfaces, the whole java shitshow
benkay`: advice of guy looking over my shoulder was to just bite the bullet and do the parser in java
benkay`: would go faster if i could afford to go heads down on it for a month
mircea_popescu hates java
benkay`: dat cube farm stench.
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benkay`: asciilifeform: it came up in the context of "things this firm is not getting involved in"
mircea_popescu: tbh : i don't actually hate java,
mircea_popescu: it's whatever, c flavoured.
mircea_popescu: i hate the java machine bullcrap
benkay`: i don't hate it - it's just another dumblang
benkay`: i'm just frustrated by cognitive overhead and limited personal bandwidth/.
moiety: BingoBoingo: there's a difference. you don't always get dinner at the restaurant you work in
BingoBoingo: moiety: Still Doge?
moiety: it works, so who gives a fuck? i honestly think the features we have on that site are much more suited to the doge community.
moiety: like the webcam snaps etc.. what bitcoiners are gonna use that
mircea_popescu: so moiety is basically discordian and unconformant in absolutely every which way.
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BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I see it as moiety As seen the Doge and simply found an opportunity for an honest chumpatron.
mircea_popescu: ahahahaha great
asciilifeform: 'honest chumpatron' - like 'pleasurable woodchipper' ?
asciilifeform: or what
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I imagine an honest chumpatron is kind of like an idiot reserve.
mircea_popescu: wao-ender did yo uever finish mayhem ?
moiety: mircea_popescu: in the sense that i can make anything work regardless of personal stance :) bingo's right and you guys allow me to derp around here for some sanity... amazingly
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
mircea_popescu: moiety just make sure you document well what you do
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo asciilifeform actually, a university (in the classical, functional and ideal sense, no relation to us/uk "college") is the prototype of the honest chumpatron
mircea_popescu: quite respectable, too.
asciilifeform: might be nice to see this one explained
moiety: document?
mircea_popescu: moiety yes, write down what you do. you're the only one doing most of it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ok, ever read villon ?
moiety: yeah, you're right, i really should.
mircea_popescu: you really should, it's quite excellent literature. unlike french cheese, this is passable, and why we tolerate them in europe.
mircea_popescu: but that aside, you familiar with the *medieval* notion that a healthy young boy should learn a trade, and only phtisic good for nothing losers go to university ?
asciilifeform: oh yes.
mircea_popescu: as immortalised say in the romanian saying, "logofete brinza-n cuiu, lapte acru-n calimari, chiu si vai prin buzunari"
mircea_popescu: ok, so going to the university has a cost.
mircea_popescu: yet people submitted to it.
mircea_popescu: willingly.
asciilifeform: not that different from monasticism
mircea_popescu: for the pleasure and enjoyment of... the company. OF OTHER LOSERS LIKE THEM
asciilifeform: (no prizes for guessing why)
mircea_popescu: what, pray tell, is a chumpatron ?
asciilifeform: i sorta tried to explain this in a post
mircea_popescu: i mean there's no requirement that the chump don't enjoy it
asciilifeform: correct
mircea_popescu: or that he regrets the ride after havin been taken for it
mircea_popescu: all that;s require\d is that he can never go back
asciilifeform: casino is an incontrovertible chumpatron
mircea_popescu: which is to say, an entalpic process
asciilifeform: hence 'fuel' analogy
mircea_popescu: perhaps unobvious in the fuel analogy, because the inadvertent reader will think in terms of power
mircea_popescu: rather than in proper thermodynamics notions of reversibility
asciilifeform: thermodynamics notions of reversibility << this was the exact intended meaning.
mircea_popescu: so then we understand each other.
asciilifeform: i did specify that in a chumpatron, vs. an ordinary bioreactor, the fuel /wants/ to burn
ninjashogun: mircea_popescu, caught your Romanian sentence. Google Translate offers, "scribes cheese-n cuiu, sour milk-n inkwell, chiu and valleys pockets ""
mircea_popescu: logofat = youthful scribe used to take down dictation of his lord and sometimes a little cock.
mircea_popescu: basically, a congressional aide.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what, and freshmen don't want to burn ?
asciilifeform: surely.
asciilifeform: uni is certainly a chumpatron.
asciilifeform: as is any army, etc
mircea_popescu: army perhaps not.
mircea_popescu: it actually pays out more than it takes in.
mircea_popescu: it used to be, sure. but now it's more like a welfare programme
asciilifeform: true, there are '+EV' armies
asciilifeform: depends on time/place
mircea_popescu: there used to be. herodotus or who observed that it seems ignoble and unworthy of a man to plow the field
mircea_popescu: when so much wealth can be acquired the proper way
mircea_popescu: meanwhile the us has spent more on syria than syria'd cost to buy, whole.
moiety: i don't see the site as a chumpatron, after listening. i just like to make things work is all
asciilifeform: for those who have not read classics, but like pulp sf, this is featured in 'thrones' - 'we do not sow (TM)'
mircea_popescu: moiety i think he was talking about doge
moiety: oh, i hope so. i know he is allergic
mircea_popescu: "magine a large corporate machine mobilized to get you to buy something you don't need at a tremendously inflated cost, complete with advertising, marketing, and branding that says you're not hip if you don't have one, but when you get one you discover it's of poor quality and obsolete in ten months. That's a BA.
mircea_popescu: When we see a welfare mom we assume she can't find work, but when we see a hipster we become infuriated because we assume he doesn't want to work but could easily do so-- on account of the fact that he can speak well-- that he went to college. But now suddenly we're all shocked: to the economy, the English grad is just as superfluous as the disenfranchised welfare mom in the hood-- the college education is just as irr
mircea_popescu: elevant as the skin color. Not irrelevant for now, not irrelevant "until the economy improves"-- irrelevant forever. The economy doesn't care about intelligence, at all, it doesn't care what you know, merely what you can produce for it. The only thing the English grad is "qualified" for in this economy is the very things s/he is already doing: coffeehouse agitator, Trader Joe's associate, Apple customer... and spouse
mircea_popescu: of a capitalist."
mircea_popescu: this is absurdly generous.
mircea_popescu: slavegirl. not spouse.
mircea_popescu: you don't marry english grads.
asciilifeform: where was this
ozbot: The Last Psychiatrist: Hipsters On Food Stamps, Part 1
mircea_popescu: the guy has some very specific sexual hangups. it's all centered on rape, can't see violence, can't see submission, he's impacted.
asciilifeform: Butugychag.
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KRS-One: mircea_popescu I hated Java too, but then once I fully understood it, I was shocked by what it can do and how it works.
mircea_popescu: KRS-One i know people who have to maintain it that are shocked on a weekly basis by both what it can do and how it works.
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ninjashogun: mircea_popescu, did you develop the first version of your site yourself? (by hand)
KRS-One: I always thought it was slow, but that isn't really the case. If it runs slow its because someone didn't know what they are doing.
mircea_popescu: i don't code, really.
mircea_popescu: KRS-One i always thought it's insecure, and insecurable
mircea_popescu: many things are not. basic, for instance, is eminently secure.
KRS-One: tbh i dont know much about securing java..that could be.
ninjashogun: so how did you produce the first version of your site? (the very first version, demosntration)
ninjashogun: demonstration*
KRS-One: afaik it could have the same security as a c program running in memory.
mircea_popescu: ninjashogun i just did what i always do, told people what to do.
ninjashogun: oh, okay
mircea_popescu: i'm one of those.
ninjashogun: I thought you did understand code quite well though
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mircea_popescu: well, that i don't. however, i do understand quite well when i don't understand something.
mircea_popescu: turns out this is actually much more useful.
ninjashogun: What busienss were you in before this site?
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mircea_popescu: you know... it's not a site.
ninjashogun: company then
ozbot: Bitcoin Baron Keeps a Secretive Open Source OS Alive | Wired Enterprise | Wired.com
mircea_popescu: there, klint has the scoop
ninjashogun: mircea_popescu, mind if I call you Baron from now on
asciilifeform: interesting that, afaik, not one one those pieces breathed a word about why openbsd
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how would they know.
asciilifeform: could, well... ask someone.
mircea_popescu: when i do hidden in plain sight, it's hidden. when the usg tries it, it's snowdened.
mircea_popescu: game of power.
benkay`: klint's a rad dude
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla now write a pow based on that
mircea_popescu: kakokoin
benkay`: your name came up over beers last night, mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: benkay` mpilf ?
ninjashogun: your name also came up in private chat with BingoBoingo oh about half an hour ago
benkay`: can't imagine that means what the top suggestion from my suggestion machine suggests it means
moiety: that made me dizzy kakobrekla
kakobrekla: free drugs.
benkay`: well klint wanted to know what the deal with this crazy romanian was
benkay`: i said get on irc and say hi
benkay`: ('crazy romanian' are my words)
kakobrekla: (he used 'fucked in the head')
mircea_popescu: hey guise, you really think i'm... eh nevermind
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ninjashogun: mircea_popescu, my opinion of you changed a lot when I saw what you built by the way.
ninjashogun: you did strike me a kind of crazy but now fuck it.
ninjashogun: Not just due to the valuation either.
ninjashogun: more due to the fact that you have any investors at all lol
Jere_Jones: mircea_popescu Why openbsd?
mircea_popescu: hopefully not many more people find out
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mircea_popescu: Jere_Jones cause it keeps the nsa busy while we fuck it raw.
benkay`: mircea_popescu "not in the head!"
mircea_popescu: no, i guess not in the head.
moiety: careful kakobrekla , soon i'll be needing bigger and more dizzying imgurs for a bigger hit
kakobrekla: lol moiety , those are not free!
mircea_popescu: imgur pimpin
moiety goes to sell her tv
kakobrekla: but you need the tv for it to project the drugs
kakobrekla: jeez.
moiety: omg what am i thinking
moiety: sorry im too wasted fromthe last imgur
kakobrekla: you should be fine in an hour.
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moiety: lolol
decimation: ninjashogun: mircea_popescu, mind if I call you Baron from now on << http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-02-2014#509819
decimation: asciilifeform I quite enjoy your translations of Herr Tepes
asciilifeform: there's a better one somewhere
mircea_popescu: ya but it's probably not in the wot.
ninjashogun: decimation, why did you quote that?
decimation: the one with the two monks well delinates orthodox Christianity from rapid puritanism
decimation: I thought that there was a parallel there
decimation: one who acknowledges authority but does not acknowledge its wisdom
ninjashogun: so I didn't realize how much money is sloshing around the bitcoin ecosystem. Question: do you think with WoT this ecosystem (e.g. this channel, etc) could substitute for the actual VC market completely?
ninjashogun: e.g. rather than raise $250K via an angel investor, or $4M in a Series A, that both of these could be done 100% via the bitcoin ecosystem?
ninjashogun: including IRC here?
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mircea_popescu: it already does substitute for it completely.
copumpkin: anyone want to start a petition to mircea_popescu to get the word popescuity added back to mpex official messages?
mircea_popescu: just, the vc circus hasn't yet found out, because we don't finance the circus.
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
mircea_popescu: decimation is like the lord of the quotes tonight
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decimation: I find that after reading an -assets log my mind returns to the original ideas contained therein
ozbot: Mind your step. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
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ThickAsThieves: The Washington DC City Council voted today to significantly ease marijuana laws in the district. By a near unanimous vote, the council ruled that possession and private consumption of the drug in small amounts would be decriminalized.
mircea_popescu: decimation eventually someone will write the grand book of everything, just distil all the 500k lines here into a castle of words.
ThickAsThieves: $25 fine now
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mircea_popescu: they are going to lose fucking control of that place.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the 'legalization' thing is a sham. it's quite like, if drinking a cup of coffee were punished with $25 fine, but anyone found with a sack of coffee beans were impaled
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the problem is this : they have 6-7-8 mn people packed like sardines in there, like 5k/km2
mircea_popescu: easements like this are very fucking dangerous
mircea_popescu: as per tocqueville's observation, it's not opressed peasants like the german serfs that rebel
asciilifeform: the sardines are already doped to the gills
mircea_popescu: it's relatively easy living french peasants that get an easement, which suddenly makes all restraints unbearable
asciilifeform: ahahaha
mircea_popescu: so... another couple of these, they're going to end up with hostage senate.
decimation: now that colorado has 'decriminalized' the other states are going to race to the bottom
asciilifeform: the bastards know this, and so all the easements are sham
mircea_popescu: if there's going to be a soyuz of the soviets organised within our lifetimes over there i'll possibly not be able to carry on for laughter
asciilifeform: all this is is an attempt to tax an already plentiful and omnipresent supply of mj
ThickAsThieves: seems harmless to them, whatre a buncha potheads gonna do
decimation: actually the current state of affairs is perfect for the bureaucracy: no one knows what is actually legal, and everyone is probably an outlaw
ThickAsThieves: but potheads also love bitcoin
mircea_popescu: decimation this only seems perfect. it's in fact disastrous.
mircea_popescu: like you know, the state of being locked into the cake freezer seems ideal to the 9yo
mircea_popescu: till the air runs out
ThickAsThieves: <decimation> actually the current state of affairs is perfect for the bureaucracy: no one knows what is actually legal, and everyone is probably an outlaw /// too true
ThickAsThieves: how the fuck *is* someone supposed to be responsible to know what is legal when the line is nothing but blur
mircea_popescu: just buy a judge
mircea_popescu: what was the expression, "roof" ?
ThickAsThieves: the roof is back, carry on
decimation: "trustfullness" is what civilization is built upon
decimation: once everyone assumes that everything is a scam or chumpatron, it's going to be hard to get anything done
ThickAsThieves: like now?
asciilifeform: decimation: not much risk of this
ThickAsThieves: except right now everyone thinks all the scams are truths and truths are scams
ThickAsThieves: it's painful
mircea_popescu: the book of doom after tat
ThickAsThieves: i think about how even the concept of getting pulled over while driving is usually absurd
mircea_popescu: "and then i saw a great vision of everyone's head being screwed in backwards
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mircea_popescu: and the clowds did billow smoke"
ThickAsThieves: 5 miles of a speed limit is okay, 10, no way, but it's all just offending a street sign, not necessarily even endangering anyone
ozbot: Academic-Capital: Trust of Each Other is Declining According to a General Social Survey
decimation: "A poll by the General Social Survey indicates that about 1/3 of Americans trust each other. This is a big step downward from a 1972 survey that indicated that about ½ of Americans trust each other. Around 2/3rds say that ?you can?t be too careful? dealing with others. "
ThickAsThieves: there's a stretch of highway about 2 miles long in FL, where the limit changes 16 times
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves well, that reasoning doesn't work in a town (because if you go fast enough whether you run into someone or not becomes a matter of luck), but it does make sense of highways
mircea_popescu: which is why sane people (ie, germans) don't have upper limits,
mircea_popescu: they have lower limits
decimation: the speed people actually travel on a road has to do with its design, not the arbitrary (often retarded) regulatory limits
asciilifeform: in the u.s. speed limits are a bizarrely labour-intensive kind of tax.
ThickAsThieves: agreed, and i think an officer should be human enough to interpret whether someone is actually endangering a situation, over filling a quota for tickets
decimation: officer is in the bureaucrat chumpatron
asciilifeform: alternative is the russian (and most of the world) system, where you can pay him to go away
ThickAsThieves: (no i was not pulled over anytime recently)
ThickAsThieves: my wife thinks a drive too slow, except when i don't see nonsensical speed signs
mircea_popescu: i remember a time when officer was a superlative menschkeit thing
ThickAsThieves: i think he rides every car''s ass, but generally is a better driver
mircea_popescu: finding an asshole officer was like finding a virgin in paris
ThickAsThieves: "You are free to choose to participate in the poll or not. Nobody is begging you for your money and I wish we could avoid asking for anyone's money at all to avoid dealing with investors such as yourself. Hopefully if we succeed in listing IPO we will not have you on our investor's list."
ThickAsThieves: guffaw! scammers!
decimation: an actual police force would allocate actual discretion to its officers; chumpatron police have no authority and therefore treat others as the spoiled children they are
mircea_popescu: decimation explai nhow this actual police force works.
asciilifeform: rome -> 'auctoritas', rus. -> 'авторитет', english -> ??????
mircea_popescu: suppose you're advising me as emperor of jormania in the making of my imperial police force.
asciilifeform: because it sure as fuck ain't 'authority'
asciilifeform: what's the word - anyone?
mircea_popescu: automobile
decimation: the master hires a policeman, the policeman acts on the authority of the master
mircea_popescu: well say the population is 1mn.
mircea_popescu: i hire one policeman ?
decimation: if the policeman acts responisbly, he is rewarded, otherwise, punished
ninjashogun: good night
mircea_popescu: wait wait.
mircea_popescu: how do i hire him ?
decimation: certainly not from a 'police academy'
asciilifeform: the policeman acts on the authority of the master << that's 'potentas' not 'auctoritas' !
mircea_popescu: potestas ?
BingoBoingo: I imagine for a proper police force for Jormania, you would at least need two castes working for you. Police Officers and then the lowly police man.
mircea_popescu: well, how do i get these then ?
BingoBoingo: For the police officer you search for people who can maintain their own harem.
decimation: I guess the traditional method is from the children of the local nobles
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mircea_popescu: so then suppose one day a police officer's daughter falls in love with a lowly police grunt.
BingoBoingo: For the policeman you take the local schlubs and have the officers discipline them
mircea_popescu: because - horrible dictu - he reminds her a lot of her father.
BingoBoingo: I imagine in that case the officer get dismissed
mircea_popescu: you may not readily appreciate the immensity of this problem.
BingoBoingo: Loses their commision
ThickAsThieves: how about you have simple laws that simple men can enforce
ThickAsThieves: anything too complicated to be enforced cannot be law
mircea_popescu: if the slut is allowed free rein, you have just destroyed the separation.
mircea_popescu: if the slut is not allowed free reign, civil war is unavoidable.
BingoBoingo: The slut's free reign comes at cost to the father.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves so what do you do when you're invaded by a society which is more complicated ? pray ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo father is dead.
mircea_popescu: he doesn't carry weight in this discussion
ThickAsThieves: not sure what you mean
ThickAsThieves: if yer invaded you fight
ThickAsThieves: if you lose
ThickAsThieves: new rules
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i mean this : that your approach imposes a limit on the complexity of relationships in your society
mircea_popescu: which in turn limits overal complexity in your system
ThickAsThieves: the limit is reality
mircea_popescu: a more complex system could be conceived, and even if it'd work "worse
ThickAsThieves: if it cant be enforced
mircea_popescu: itd still fuck you i nthe field.
ThickAsThieves: how can it be law
mircea_popescu: as it is now.
ThickAsThieves: the curation is in the lawmaking
mircea_popescu: somalia has very simple laws.
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BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Grunt has to challenge an officer's fitness and take their place http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/KlingonPromotion
asciilifeform: Obligatory:
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo perhaps. what if he doesn't ?
ThickAsThieves: i'm thinking out loud here, neve rput much thought into this topic
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Death by exile?
ThickAsThieves: other than to observe when law goes absurd
mircea_popescu: civil war.
ThickAsThieves: like a hippocratic oath
ThickAsThieves: an officer's job is to help
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves you resolve nothing with this bandaid.
ThickAsThieves: if they are helping no one
mircea_popescu: the tension is still there, you merely force people into hypocrisy
mircea_popescu: sooner or later it will blow
ThickAsThieves: why iis the law beig enforced
ThickAsThieves: like a highway stop for 10mph too fast
mircea_popescu: the guy can't evaluate if you were in fact harming no-one
mircea_popescu: that's why he has the law : to not have to do qm
ThickAsThieves: can he evaluate that i was?
mircea_popescu: that you WEREN'T
mircea_popescu: that's your verb
decimation: mircea, you would give the Devil the benefit of law?
ThickAsThieves: so basically you can't win
mircea_popescu: depends.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves not for your definition of "Win" i'm affraid.
ThickAsThieves: i guess the core of this, is i just want everyone to be more intelligent and logical
ThickAsThieves: it'd echo thru all things
mircea_popescu: i want all chicks to be taller.
ThickAsThieves: i can accept harmony isnt possible
ThickAsThieves: but we can certainly do better
mircea_popescu: it's not a matter of harmony
mircea_popescu: it's a matter of "let everything be better"
mircea_popescu: well... fuck. why didn't i thinl of that.
ThickAsThieves: to play devil's advocate though, i often contemplate the flipside. As in, usually I feel like my environment is too dumb, but pardon my candor, but would living in a world of #b-a people actually be enjoyable?
decimation: why is your joy their problem?
ThickAsThieves: see what i mean
asciilifeform: ok time for musical interlude.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i came to romania after all.
mircea_popescu: "So start with an interesting hypothetical: does everybody need to work anymore? I understand work from an ethical/character perspective, this is not here my point. Since we no longer need e.g. manufacturing jobs-- cheaper elsewhere or with robots-- since those labor costs have evaporated, could that surplus go towards paying people simply to stay out of trouble? Is there a natural economic equilibrium price where,
mircea_popescu: say, a U Chicago grad can do no economically productive work at all but still be paid to use Instagram? Let me be explicit: my question is not should we do this, my question is that since this is precisely what's happening already, is it sustainable? What is the cost? I don't have to run the numbers, someone already has: it's $150/mo for a college grads, i.e. the price of food stamps. Other correct responses would
mircea_popescu: be $700/mo for "some high school" (SSI) or $1500/mo for "previous work experience" (unemployment). I would have accepted $2000/mo for "minorities" (jail) for partial credit."
asciilifeform: russian fellow by the name of D. Starostin did 5 yrs. in a new york prison for attempted murder
asciilifeform: wrote a book.
asciilifeform: 'amer. gulag, 5 yrs on the starred-and-striped cot'
asciilifeform: had a spiffy quote in there
mircea_popescu: not the magnetohydrodynamics guy ?
asciilifeform: 'Американец не считает, что человек в форме — бандит, с которым нужно договариваться. Он считает, что это робот, которого нужно бояться. Американские правоохранительные органы способны, искусно нажимая на клавиши многочисленн
asciilifeform: ых законов и предписаний, «оформить» самый незначительный проступок как чудовищное деяние. Фэбээровцам не нужно было избивать Монику Левински или подбрасывать ей в сумочку патроны и героин. Дача ложных показаний — преступле
asciilifeform: ние, воспринимаемое в России как мелочь, — в Соединенных Штатах действительно способна повлечь за собой 26 лет тюрьмы. Тот факт, что речь, по сути дела, шла о молодой девушке, не желавшей признать свою любовную связь с женатым му
asciilifeform: жчиной, в США никого бы не волновал. Принцип машины означает: сделал — получи. Машина неумолима и неподкупна.'
asciilifeform: translation roughly below:
ThickAsThieves: moving to Romania falling on which side of things mp?
ThickAsThieves: people who do whatever the fuck makes sense to them?
ThickAsThieves: i'm not too familiar with the people
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves no, just, tards.
ThickAsThieves: "I just called Mt Gox asking for my bitcoins..here the recording"
ozbot: MtSushi
asciilifeform: 'american does not believe the man in the uniform to be a bandit, with whom one can come to an understanding. he believes him to be a robot, who must be feared. american law enforcers are able to, by pressing on the keyboard of a multitude of laws and regulations, 'transmute' the most insignificant peccadillo into a monstrous deed. FBI did not need to beat up Monica or toss into her purse heroin or ammunition.
asciilifeform: The giving of false testimony - a crime, seen in Russia as small change - in the U.S. can lead to 26 years of prison. The fact that, in essence, the matter concerned a young girl who did not wish to admit her love affair with a married man, interests no one in the U.S. The principle of the machine is: do it [the crime] - receive. [consequences] the machine is merciless and incorruptible.'
ThickAsThieves: "i cant say anything more than on the website"
asciilifeform: (http://flibusta.net/b/247422/read for the linguistically non-challenged)
asciilifeform: lovely illustrations, for those who are.
mircea_popescu: honestly i don't see it.
mircea_popescu: i mean, this is oft repeated as a representation of fact,
mircea_popescu: but irl i know of no system more corrupt than reagan's us
mircea_popescu: except of course each subsequent one.
asciilifeform: it's arranged a bit differently.
asciilifeform: you have to buy them in bulk.
mircea_popescu: but you have acces to unlimited credit.
asciilifeform: which is why there isn't really a market
asciilifeform: in the usual sense
mircea_popescu: so then...
ThickAsThieves: i think some people don;t realize corruption has a broader definition than "paid off"
asciilifeform: more like a soviet nomenklatura's grocery store
mircea_popescu: basically the guy spent five years on his cot trying to avoid the realisation that he was a fucking idiot
mircea_popescu: you don't pee on the mains, you plug stuff in.
asciilifeform: nope. chronicle details the fact dawning on him.
mircea_popescu: a so good then
asciilifeform: quoted tidbit was about the futility of simply offering a cop benjamins on the spot to send him off
Duffer1: just searched the church in stick of truth
Duffer1: found 'boy sized leash'
decimation: as you wrote ascii, the chumps grind and chirp as they go through the machine
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the same woman that got punished for failing to admit her sluttery
mircea_popescu: is also legally protected should she wish to go topless parading by the barracks
ThickAsThieves: burn your bra, but don't touch that flag
mircea_popescu: alternatively, "in briar patch, foot hurt ; in forest, head hurt" said the mongoloid.
mircea_popescu: perhaps it doesn't have as much to do with the environment as one'd think
ThickAsThieves: lol twitter is advertising a prospectus to me
moiety: i've been up for two days, im going to bed now, night all :)
ThickAsThieves: Fantex Brokerage Service
ThickAsThieves: Check out the Fantex Vernon Davis IPO on http://fntx.co/OGu8iV pic.twitter.com/eFSyHooy8a
mircea_popescu: i have no idea how fucktarded they have to be to advertise ipos on twitter.
mircea_popescu: i mean a) it clearly labels you as a scammer, as only they do it ; b) it can't possibly give roi, even as a scammer ; c) srsly.
ThickAsThieves: twitter is reduced to being on the ActiveMining board
decimation: maybe they can monetize retweets
ozbot: Teen Sues Parents, Claiming They Owe Her Money For College : The Two-Way : NPR
ThickAsThieves: Bogaard also "noted that Rachel Canning's behavior over the past year has been in question," reports CBS 2 TV: "one or two school suspensions, drinking, losing her captaincy on the cheerleading squad and being kicked out of the campus ministry."
asciilifeform: log.*assets has borked utf8!
ThickAsThieves: i have a new slogan for kako's brand building
ThickAsThieves: Superservitude with an attitude.
mircea_popescu: caning eh ?
asciilifeform: doktor prescribes - gasenwagen.
mircea_popescu: cheerleaders should be beaten not killed.
mircea_popescu: you can gas her mom if you absolutely must drakulize
kakobrekla: hrm that used to work.
kakobrekla: it never ends with this log, it ell you.
ThickAsThieves: "You a female; I'm a dude. I'm not learning nothing from you. I just want to see you. So whatever you're talking about, I probably don't really care. I wanna just look at you."
benkay`: curse of the web, kakobrekla
ThickAsThieves: re: why there are no female rappers
ozbot: Anatomy of a Fusion press release | Locklin on science
asciilifeform: 'A NIF whistleblower, Lee Scott Hall, was brutally stabbed to death in 1999. Hall was one of the NIF designers. I didn’t know him, but I know people who knew him. He definitely wasn’t into any shady business, and by all accounts was a straight shooter and a decent guy. This … really looks like a man was stabbed to death for pointing out that NIF couldn’t work (or that the director didn’t have a Ph.D.)
asciilifeform: . Sure, nobody knows who killed him, but this is at least as shady as anything I’ve heard of happening in Russia. This sort of thing has happened quite a few times to whistleblowers at the Department of Energy.'
ozbot: Peter R's theory on the collapse of MtGox and its effect on the price of bitcoin
kakobrekla: Х хЦ цЧ чШ шЩ щЪ ъЫ ыЬ ьЭ эЮ юЯ я
mircea_popescu: " I didn’t know him, but I know people who knew him. He definitely wasn’t into any shady business" << dat fiat wot.
ThickAsThieves: You should answer "yes" to the whistleblower program question if you wish to avail yourself of these additional confidentiality protections, even if you are not interested in being eligible for a whistleblower award.
mircea_popescu: seriously ? who in his right mind can say this ?
mircea_popescu: then we wonder why locklin doesn't get bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: he doesn't want to. cause admitting how fucking stupid he is would burn.
ThickAsThieves: Please be aware that these additional confidentiality protections may in some cases limit or delay the SEC's ability to disclose your identity to certain other agencies, regulators or other third parties. For that reason, we suggest you check "no" if you are submitting your information in order to seek our assistance to resolve an issue
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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: from an earlier interaction, i concluded that he gets it but is stuck in the place where you were in 2010 (?)
ThickAsThieves: In addition, if you do not wish to be considered for an award and you intend for us to coordinate with another government agency or regulator, checking "no" may help facilitate this process.
asciilifeform: that is, 'look at the flies, it must be a turd'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but look at it. i used to think i can make such representations of people, until i was about 17 or so.
mircea_popescu: do you know anyone through others who you can vouch for as he does ?
mircea_popescu: well how can this be.
asciilifeform: NIF remains a boondoggle.
mircea_popescu: no argument
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves wut you on about spammor
ThickAsThieves: just thought it was funny
ThickAsThieves: from SEC's report a scam page
mircea_popescu: incredibly arrogant these schmucks
mircea_popescu: "o, we have a webpage". great. so does any 14 yo singer-songwriter.
asciilifeform: 'Two NIF whistleblowers who didn’t die, Les Mikosy and Luciana C. Messina, were ignored, then fired in 2003. They were involved in the code that was supposed to simulate the laser/plasma/X-ray interaction, and detected actual fraud in it. Not a peep from anyone about their assertions, which seem to have been proven true, or the lawsuit they filed against LLNL (it was dismissed; yay objective court system!).'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how come nobody killed lucy c ?
asciilifeform: why kill when you can 'lower into bitchdom'
mircea_popescu: why didn't they make the straight shooter guy into a twink then
asciilifeform: idk, i wasn't there - but it was either tried to no result, or not attempted for good reason, i'd bet.
mircea_popescu: or perhaps the entire construction is orthogonal.
mircea_popescu: benkay` da fuck is peter r
mircea_popescu: jesus look at that, complete with coelho-esque quotes and the new yorker "narrative" devices.
mircea_popescu: why so many hipsters ?
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asciilifeform: my take (You Heard It Here First (tm) !)
asciilifeform: locklin is off the mark
asciilifeform: Hall was zapped because he grabbed the brass ring.
asciilifeform: and threatened to take it somewhere useful
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asciilifeform: brass ring -> pure laser-initiated fusion
asciilifeform: (not necessarily of the controlled kind)
asciilifeform: thermonuke without fissiles
asciilifeform: holy grail.
mircea_popescu: maybe he got depressed over not finding any nailguns.
asciilifeform: pop one, instant glass parking lot, no fallout
asciilifeform: and no rare materials needed
benkay`: how should I know who peter r is - nobody's paying me for my research
asciilifeform: to build.
benkay`: "research" "swamp wading"
benkay`: "pig wrestling"
mircea_popescu: do you know the traditional first date romanian joke titled "taci si suge" (ie, shut it and suck it!) ?
mod6: haha
benkay`: sounds translation-worthy...
mircea_popescu: bad wolf busts into snow white's cavern, offers her a simple deal :
mircea_popescu: either she sucks him off or he eats her midgets.
mircea_popescu: snow white agrees to suck him off.
mircea_popescu: at some point wolf eats three midgets.
mircea_popescu: "but wolf! you said..."
mircea_popescu: shut it and suck it.
mircea_popescu: so she does.
mircea_popescu: and after a while... the wolf... eats another three midgets
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 6 @ 0.13311598 = 0.7987 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: shut it and suck it!
mircea_popescu: and after yet another while, the wolf eats another three midgets
asciilifeform: underflow!
mircea_popescu: at which point the chick points out that there's only seven midgets and you point out that she shouldn't be making that kind of noise.
mod6: haha
mircea_popescu: bout 50-50.
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu do the dot test
mircea_popescu: brb gathering dots.
mircea_popescu: 8 · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · · D
asciilifeform: there is a related soviet joke. abramowitch (generic jew, not the oligarch) calls a friend who was over for dinner last night:
asciilifeform: 'we're short of a few silver spoons. shame on you';
asciilifeform: friend denies
asciilifeform: next day, A calls again 'we found the spoons. but the stain on your reputation... it remains.'
kakobrekla: ok dunno seems everything works again
kakobrekla: cept the dots.
mircea_popescu: see, locklin is no jew.
mircea_popescu: anyway. off to practice with the midgets. gl all.
kakobrekla: ah i see it now its fine, the long just shortened your dick.
asciilifeform: night night
kakobrekla: bad typo
mircea_popescu: and remember : always be nice with all newcomers. they could be as retarded as historically was the case.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 55 @ 0.00479101 = 0.2635 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 13 @ 0.57390463 = 7.4608 BTC [-] {10}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2987 @ 0.00082977 = 2.4785 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 55 @ 0.00464999 = 0.2557 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8600 @ 0.00083001 = 7.1381 BTC [+]
ozbot: Leancy - Allegedly hacked by their host - Avoid deposits
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7150 @ 0.00082771 = 5.9181 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 55 @ 0.0048 = 0.264 BTC [-]
Duffer1: Dr. Forehead ouch
BigBlx: yoooooooo
ozbot: Eternal Bitcoin Bonds by Usagi
Duffer1: ni hao
BigBlx: did you guys resolve the aurora/litecoin bet?
Duffer1: brb i feel i may need some popcorn
kakobrekla: thats interesting.
kakobrekla: my dots work, mps dont.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 55 @ 0.00464999 = 0.2557 BTC [-]
Duffer1: how are you creating the dot?
kakobrekla: by pressing on the button :)
Duffer1: on my old keyboard alt0153 at a leisurely pace created ™ just fine, but on my new keyboard I have to type it ultra fast for some reason..
kakobrekla: anyway cyrillic should work nao asciilifeform
Duffer1: bigblx do you have a link for the bet you're talking about?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 55 @ 0.0048 = 0.264 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 455 @ 0.00088995 = 0.4049 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 122 @ 0.00089 = 0.1086 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14945 @ 0.00083001 = 12.4045 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 55 @ 0.00464999 = 0.2557 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 81 @ 0.00479629 = 0.3885 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0896011 = 0.1792 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.13311598 = 0.2662 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.00457008 = 0.1828 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: #DangerZone
kakobrekla: he is talking about THE current bet Duffer1
kakobrekla: which is simultaneously most fucked up bet evah.
Duffer1: the alt coin market cap bet?
Duffer1: ya i figured
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21283 @ 0.00083021 = 17.6694 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11900 @ 0.00082693 = 9.8405 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00083033 = 5.6462 BTC [+]
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