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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 9000 @ 0.00009004 = 0.8104 BTC [-] {9}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.026 = 0.13 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2268 @ 0.00008971 = 0.2035 BTC [-] {2}
knotwork: It does sound more and more like the place is probbly going to remain available for quite a while yet so I guess I will check it out every month or few and see how desperate that become to get rid of it
knotwork: maybe pick up and refurbish the other couple of places I have been looking at first. Go at them in cheapest place first sequence.
Namworld: I have a 290 BTC loan. Ultra crazy
knotwork: denominated in BTC ?
knotwork: ouch
Namworld: Used to be 400
knotwork: you pay a little each time BTC dives?
Namworld: Nope. What does it matter if BTC dives?
knotwork: well if you have fiat income for example
ozbot: 1789546951.05324 | Next Diff in 615 blocks | Estimated Change: 20.5175% in 3d 9h 24m 13s
Namworld: Oh. Not much fiat income actually
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 60000 @ 0.00008084 = 4.8504 BTC [-] {22}
knotwork: How much (ballpark) would an option to buy bitcoin in say six months or nine or a year for today's price cost?
kakobrekla: Namworld you took a loan or gave it?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 14408 @ 0.00008 = 1.1526 BTC [-]
Namworld: I took a loan
kakobrekla: cmon you are not a btc newb
Namworld: It's nothing new, been going for a long time
knotwork: I should have bought more than just a few million DOGE to scatter across a huge range of highball sell offers, my selsl are being eaten up like crazy
mod6: such bids
knotwork: much profit on tiny amount of capital :(
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 19000 @ 0.00008 = 1.52 BTC [-] {2}
Namworld: silly doge
knotwork: oh well it will go down and hit my remaining even lower lowball buy offers soon maybe
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22000 @ 0.00098858 = 21.7488 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3000 @ 0.000076 = 0.228 BTC [-] {4}
Namworld: How much does CBTC even earns?
knotwork: Nice question. Maybe it is time for me to start looking into actually making some use of my MPOE seat assuming such things do not expire thus that I still have it.
Duffer1: 9.16% apy on cbtc
jcpham: everytime i see the word doge i facedesk
jcpham: so hard
Namworld: ugh... 9.16% APY on something BTC related...
jcpham: i think i just broke my nose that time
Duffer1: their last div was 58 satoshi
mod6: much faceplant
knotwork: I didn't buy into Satoshi Dice since I figured it was only a matter of time before it ran into legal problems. Didn't think oh yeah it could get bought out by someone who has all the right licenses and jurisdiction (did it?)
Namworld: I believe so
Namworld: You should have bought a ton at IPO
Namworld: Wether you sold high or just accrued divs until it sold, you'd have earned a good chunk
knotwork: Oh I was broke way back then.
knotwork: Maybe less than 100 bitcoins as it mgiht have been before I got the bounty for helping to create DVC
Namworld: Would have been enough to make a good chunk
knotwork: I wasnt about to risk precious bitcoins on some third party site let alone on fourth party offerigns on such a site
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5950 @ 0.00098858 = 5.8821 BTC [-]
knotwork: If was going to bie at all back then I would have gone for S.MPOE itself or whatever it is called
knotwork: s/bie/bite/
knotwork: or buy
knotwork: and maybe that would have made quite a chunk too? Are there historic plots/charts etc somewhere?
Duffer1: coinflow.co
Duffer1: charts -> mpex
knotwork: Thanks
Duffer1: i don't know how far back the data goes
knotwork: March by the look of it
knotwork: not impressive growth though not a skyrocket, at least in that period, but maybe it was more impressive in the early days
knotwork: but maybe the bonds behind the options were better earnings historically?
knotwork: in all its history of satoshi dice its all going generally down not up
Namworld: SD started much lower than that
Namworld: SD went from 0.0022 - 0.0027 IPO slices to 0.007 and then back down or something
Namworld: At buyout, each share was bought 0.0032 I think
knotwork: Yike S.MD is also a downhill cruise lately
kakobrekla: anyone has any monies on that thing called ripple
knotwork: the charts indicate nothing about dividends though
jcpham: ripples?
jcpham: are they worth something yet?
knotwork: I have the giveaway ripples they gave out early on that were much bigger than later giveaways
knotwork: maybe a couple of grand USD worth or a grand or so depending on when I check the price
Namworld: You could have accrued dividends on SD in the range of up to ~0.0002 per month per share at it's highest I think, or close to that
knotwork: actually I sold the first 20000 or so they gave me for bitcoins, at way better price I think that I have seen since
Namworld: For like two months where they made 10-20k BTC profits I think
Namworld: Other months like 1-5k range mostly
kakobrekla: i just found out i have btc change there and want to get it out
jcpham: well apparently yhere ripple fuckers deleted my wallet
jcpham: *these ripple fuckers
knotwork: huh your wallet in your passphrase basically isnt it?
kakobrekla: ill swap with network btc with a fee if anyone cares
ozbot: It’s not the sauce, it’s the poultry and other metamathematical considerations pe Trilema - Un b
knotwork: or are you saying they wiped your accoutns from their ledgers?
jcpham: Login failed:
jcpham: Payward Wallet not found (Username / Password is wrong)
kakobrekla: i just dont want to leave extra money to those fuckers
Namworld: ripples are worth a good chunk. They were worth even a lot more earlier, like 5000 ripples for 1 BTC. Now 40k ripples for 1 BTC.
jcpham: i didn't type it wrong
mircea_popescu: whoa who is this jcpham guy
mircea_popescu: sounds like a scammor name.
jcpham: who the fuck is this billionaire romanaian
jcpham: i keep reading about on the interwebs
jcpham: well if i had 75k ripples the last time i logged in and now the account is gone
jcpham: i'm callingripple a scam now
jcpham: finally
mircea_popescu: lol @obamacare. they should have used openbsd.
mircea_popescu: mod6 honestly, sounds more like reverend moon's next mass wedding.
Namworld: doesn't matter if you can fetch records without even hacking, just by going to an url
Namworld: That's poor website security. They could have hosted it on any platform, even the most secure, it doesn't fix incompetence.
knotwork: jcpham you stored your "wallet" only on third party storage not on your own disk?
mod6: mircea_popescu: heheh
jcpham: dude chill out
jcpham: i ypo'd the password
mircea_popescu: Namworld yes, but it'd have been funnier.
mircea_popescu: omfg, ipo'd passwords
mircea_popescu: NOW YOU BROKE ALTCOINS
jcpham: mircea_popescu does mpex support dogecoin yet?
mod6: select * from health_care_chumps where 't' = 't'; drop heath_care_chumps; commit;
mircea_popescu: yep. mpex supports dogecoin by helping all the dogecoin owners stay out of trouble.
mircea_popescu: mod6 alternatively, you could name your son that.
mod6: haha, drop that baby on its head.
mircea_popescu: one of the few funny xkcd's
knotwork: Vircurex listed DOGE so I made a choice between abandoning Vircurex and taking a flutter of trying my devcoin strategy on DOGE
mod6: if you like your swisscheese website, you can keep it.
knotwork: which seems to be working so far, my highball sells are still being gobbled higher and higher
mircea_popescu: wow, vircurex also still exists ?
mircea_popescu: this is like ghostships on the sea of forgotten memories
knotwork: It seems to be more picky about what altcoins to list than any others I came across, and I have been into merged mining since it was invented so wanted someplace that had at least some of the merged mined coins
Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, it's even worse than that
Apocalyptic: it still exists and people think it's legit
knotwork: its still an anonymous-owner exchange I think?
Apocalyptic: cause it's been around for a while you know
Apocalyptic: knotwork, it's run by some "kumala"
mircea_popescu: didn't it get hacked recently,
mircea_popescu: and didn't the hack force the guy to wipe the equity of his investors, as he had no other resources ?
knotwork: Claimed to be hacked twice and make good, but the second claim seems more suspect than the first because after it got rep from the first claim a russian site also tried the lets say we were hacked then have customers not lose money way to get rep
Apocalyptic: there was something like that
mircea_popescu: well, musical chairs can be a fun game, especialyl if you don't bring much money.
knotwork: so VIrcurex's second such claim might have jsut been a PR response to the Russian response to the gain in rep Vircurex had got the first time around
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33000 @ 0.00098936 = 32.6489 BTC [+] {2}
knotwork: Vircurex always made the customers whole. Though whether there actually had been anything to make them whole about I dunno
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34600 @ 0.00099456 = 34.4118 BTC [+] {2}
knotwork: theey might simply have been the inventors of the lets say we got viciously hacked then show how great we are by "making the customers whole" PR tactic
mircea_popescu: they made their "customers" whole on the basis of stealing their "investor's" equity.
mircea_popescu: this works on average about once.
knotwork: huh? not sure what you mean. They claimed hot wallet had been stolen then tht they made up the loss so no customers lost anything
knotwork: what "equity" are you thinking of?
knotwork: They have shares out on some "exchange" or other is it something about those?
knotwork: oh the shareholders hold the bag for making the customers whole re the hot wallet?
knotwork: I thought the shares thing was more recent than the "hacks"
knotwork: I admit I never really paid any attention to any of the exhcanges offering shares stuff
knotwork: I was amazed people fell for that when the solidcoin guy did it
mircea_popescu: no. first the guy sold shares, on outrageous terms
mircea_popescu: then... welll... shares get forgetteded about.
mircea_popescu: so i dunno what +rep you think you saw or where, but i dun think such a thing occured.
knotwork: I thought I saw just days ago they have shares on some exchange or other
mircea_popescu: the listing is full of lolz, i'll have th egirl dig it up in the morn.
knotwork: cool :)
knotwork: Part of why i stick to vircurex is I long ago took back everything I ever put there plus lots of profit so everything at risk there now is just more profit I could have taken
knotwork: But buying shares wow weird, first question I'd ask myself is why isn't it listed on MPEx, the answer would likely tip me off
knotwork: I havent even taken a flutter on any shares that *are* listed on MPEx yet
Apocalyptic: "Consequences
Apocalyptic: The loss of the funds will be recovered out of the monthly dividends. Dividends will be used to purchase back the missing funds in the coming months. Depending on the trading volume development this is expected to take 9 to 12 months."
knotwork: ah other people's money is great stuff isn't it
mod6: ouch
Apocalyptic: seriously i'm still amazed they're in business
mircea_popescu: i have trouble seriously believing they're in any sort of business
knotwork: At least that Irish guy someone actually knew he he was had met him at conferences etc but even so "investing" in one kid running a homebrewed website seems a little dubious at thebest of time
mircea_popescu: i mean... so knotwork is being much entertained. that's fine
Apocalyptic: "We now pay interest on BTC, LTC, PPC, NVC and WDC account balances, they are paid multiple times every day. Check out the help for details"
Apocalyptic: that must be new
mircea_popescu: lol that's a fractional reserve innit ?
mircea_popescu: what sort of interest ?
Apocalyptic: "since we're scamming let's do it mcxnow style baby"
mod6: ponzi alert!
knotwork: Its not interest its just a portion off the fees
knotwork: of the fees
Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, dunno just saw that on the index page
mircea_popescu: oh like a rebate ?
mircea_popescu: odd way to go about it.
Apocalyptic: formulation fail then
Apocalyptic: <knotwork> Its not interest its just a portion off the fees // where do you get this from ?
knotwork: not a rebate on your own fees, a share of fees being earned in general
knotwork: not off the fees, of the fees
knotwork: its like your bitcoins sitting on deposit get you free feshares while they remain on deposit
knotwork: feeshares
mircea_popescu: butbutbut...
mircea_popescu: that BELONGS TO THE INVESTORS
mircea_popescu: so they can pay off with the proceeds the other stuff they got stolen from
mircea_popescu: roflmao omfg.
Apocalyptic: indeed
mircea_popescu: this is like a miner bond applied to the exchange
knotwork: yeah if anyone knows of a better exchange that has namecoins devcoins and maybe even more merged mined coins I'mi nterested to hear about it
mircea_popescu: "everyone is making roi. just find a fiat currency with bad inflation"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17984 @ 0.00099379 = 17.8723 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: knotwork prolly doesn't exist, and you know, have fun, just don't do something stupid.
knotwork: otherwise I just continue to hope the open transactions for grandmas is done soon
mod6: btc-e has nmc
mircea_popescu: you know how it goes.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1116 @ 0.00099536 = 1.1108 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: nyooz you can yooze! cafe in my town. people chattering, rumour; schizo woman who frequents the place was drawing 'daisies'. said, 'they're like bitcoins! but on paper!'
asciilifeform: couldn't help but think of casascius. and many other fine folks.
Apocalyptic: does anyone know of a website that keeps track of some altcoins hashrate ?
knotwork: Vircurex does for those it lists. well it shows current hashrates no history plots etc
Apocalyptic: thanks, hum Devcoin has actually some decent hashrate
knotwork: merged mining can do that
knotwork: depending on the general prevalence of but-its-not-bitcoin sentiment
knotwork: considering just hashrate its IXCoin that is the dark horse so far, high hash/difficulty yet not much mass buying yet
Duffer1: yet?
knotwork: Yet. When hashrate becomes a big selling point it would presumably see more volume and/or price
knotwork: currently cuteness of meme is the bigger selling point it seems
knotwork: and none of the sctypt coins save maybe possibly litecoin can afford to let hashrate become the selling point of choice
knotwork: scrypt
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 58 @ 0.00672002 = 0.3898 BTC [-] {3}
knotwork: oh except maybe the supposedly merged mine capable scrypt coin
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 99 @ 0.00672 = 0.6653 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34450 @ 0.00099542 = 34.2922 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.67 BTC [-]
knotwork: So would there be much/any interest in some kind of "buy shares in a fully legally licensed etc etc Open Transactions server" kind of offering?
knotwork: As it looks like going legal could be a big whole in the law that one throws money into
knotwork: s/whole/hole/
knotwork: Its early adopter time still for Open Transactions based stuff, oculd be good potential there...
mod6: Speaking of holes, was the signifigance of the revolutionary flag in '89 to cut out the old coat of arms?
mircea_popescu: the coat of arms was associated with the socialist republic
mircea_popescu: the flag had borne the king's arms afore, then after the war the communists copied this form, just with a new design.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4782 @ 0.00008249 = 0.3945 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: the current coat of romania is pretty much the same, minus the hermelin.
mod6: I some old footage recently, it stuck with me.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1250 @ 0.000085 = 0.1063 BTC [+]
mod6: thx for the link :]
mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/619/bitcoin-difficulty-at-or-above-2b-before-feb/ << officially largest btc bet in history of btc betting eh.
ozbot: BitBet - Bitcoin difficulty at or above 2B before Feb 2014
mod6: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 281632 | Current Difficulty: 1.7895469510532405E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 282239 | Next Difficulty In: 607 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 3 hours, 5 minutes, and 34 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 2154321197.54 | Estimated Percent Change: 20.38361
mod6: is it also the largest in number of confirmed bets?
knotwork: wow looks like easy money this late in the game, what is the catch?
mod6: s.bbet just had its 1st birthday
knotwork: Are there fees or somesuch that will eat the meagre win-profit if one bets yes this late?
mod6: read da faq. there is a weight.
kakobrekla: fees are in the calculator
knotwork: 1% fee in effect it looks like. two thirds of the currently estimated winnings
knotwork: oh the winnings listed/calculated already have the fee taken out? The FAQ seems to imply otherwise.
KRS1: doge gonna pop
kakobrekla: knotwork the calculator on the page is accounting for everything
kakobrekla: whatever is under 'out' in resolved bets table it has the fee taken out.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15750 @ 0.00099267 = 15.6346 BTC [-] {2}
knotwork: resolved ones sure, what I am puzzling over is where it shows what a Yes or a No would pay on currently still running bet. FAQ seems to indicate that calculation is not including the fee
mircea_popescu: mod6 i think the confirmed bets is like 200
knotwork: Specifically, the "Yes pays: 1.01596192 BTC" on page http://bitbet.us/bet/619/bitcoin-difficulty-at-or-above-2b-before-feb/
knotwork: if that does not take fee into account the fee would eat almost 2/3rds of the winnings
knotwork: even if the weight didndt change by end of time of liveness of the bet, which it probably will
knotwork: so I am thinking the "catch" is that by the time the betting is closed the Yes would pay less than what one bet
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31950 @ 0.0009887 = 31.589 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: knotwork let's do the math.
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 7992959/45677252 * 1743.52
gribble: 305.094620746
kakobrekla: the calc accounts for the 1% fee
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 8760 / 45677252 / 7992959 * 1743.52
gribble: 4.18334311068e-08
mircea_popescu: juesus im too tired to maff
kakobrekla: thats why you have the calc in the first place.
kakobrekla: so you can play tired.
knotwork: Maybe it would help to have it say either "Yes pays: 1.01596192 BTC after fees" or say "Yes pays: 1.01596192 BTC before fees" to make it crystal clean in your face kind of thing
knotwork: s/clean/clear/
mircea_popescu: "given current time weight and assuming no one else bets" > "after fees, given current time weight and assuming no one else bets" ?
knotwork: sure, great, you are the great writer/grammaticist/sequencer of words just so its clear is all I was after
mircea_popescu: well would the 2nd work for your purpose ?
knotwork: Thanks yes exactly it makes it pretty clear
knotwork: and saves having to repeat the "after fees" words on both the yes line and the no line
kakobrekla: id go with "given current time weight and assuming no one else bets, including fees"
knotwork: yeah that too would work
knotwork: though hmm somehow it doesn't "sound" quite as good
mircea_popescu: after fees is clear. including fees is not clear.
mircea_popescu: are they included in the sense of not substracted, or included in the sense of having been assesed.
knotwork: ah yes there ya go but also just tacking it on the end doesnt seem as ncie as putting it in front I dont know why
kakobrekla: just seems more choppy to me, putting in it front
kakobrekla: but whatever, its in front now and live.
mircea_popescu: bah two lines
mircea_popescu: take "time" out ?
knotwork: would smaller font be legible?
kakobrekla: 1 line here
mircea_popescu: after fees, given current weight and assuming no one else bets
knotwork: oh width of browser/screen effects?
mircea_popescu: I CARE OF NO OTHER BROWSER THAN MY OWN
kakobrekla: ok time is out
mircea_popescu: ELEVENTEEN
kakobrekla: does that fix it
knotwork: its one line for me regardless of scrunching the wondow smaller
mircea_popescu: nope ;/ given current weight > at current weight
knotwork: window
mircea_popescu: yes but you probably use something sane.
knotwork: Firefox, does that count?
knotwork: oh gosh you aren't on Internet Explorer are you?!?!
mircea_popescu: im on bitbrowsercoinbit
mircea_popescu: splendid
knotwork: its right-justified instead of centred
mircea_popescu: now let's hope nobody else further breaks our nice site with their IMPROVEMENTS
kakobrekla: fook you all
knotwork: or something. left margin larger than right margin for that line
mircea_popescu: it's good as is!
knotwork: its not metalic rainbow hue with unicorns!
kakobrekla: yes its not on the center
kakobrekla: now it bothers me.
mircea_popescu: well im off to bed. don't do anything drastic
kakobrekla: see how this avalanche goes
mircea_popescu: like rainbows or unicorns
knotwork: its like the sound of the train going fruit and nut, fruit and nut, fruit and nut in the caadburys ad
kakobrekla: change is bad mkay
knotwork: te cadburys ad they used to put in trains
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.66188008 = 3.3094 BTC [-] {3}
knotwork: the train goes change is bad, change is bad, change is bad... ;)
kakobrekla: ok i think that should do it.
knotwork: oh nice its centred!
knotwork: it didnt change really did it? it was entred before the changes wasnt it?
knotwork: centred
knotwork: at least I had not noticed a lack of centre originally
knotwork: Thanks
kakobrekla: well it was on center but on center of li which is not on center
kakobrekla: dunno why it shows more now, prolly cause shorter text
knotwork: well I had not noticed it before the first change but maybe merely because my attention was not really on that line back then
knotwork: ok we can do the unicorns another time :D
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 45 @ 0.04999997 = 2.25 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: i go as well. later
knotwork: gnite
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 38 @ 0.0066171 = 0.2514 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 3 @ 0.08500666 = 0.255 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.0027 = 1.35 BTC [-]
knotwork: Well having invested so many unicorns into spiffing up the website I guess I should consider investing in the shares :)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 3 @ 0.07480014 = 0.2244 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24791 @ 0.0009887 = 24.5109 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 292 @ 0.0028468 = 0.8313 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 295 @ 0.002847 = 0.8399 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1064 @ 0.00285203 = 3.0346 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 134 @ 0.0028847 = 0.3865 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 650 @ 0.00289653 = 1.8827 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 719 @ 0.00289999 = 2.0851 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 73 @ 0.0066003 = 0.4818 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 87 @ 0.04999998 = 4.35 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1376 @ 0.00289999 = 3.9904 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 424 @ 0.00294 = 1.2466 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 3 @ 0.09439998 = 0.2832 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.09715 = 0.1943 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19200 @ 0.00099044 = 19.0164 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23450 @ 0.00098986 = 23.2122 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.00674993 = 0.27 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.675 = 1.35 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.67 = 3.35 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 94 @ 0.00677795 = 0.6371 BTC [+] {2}
KRS1: .bait
KRS1: .bait
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6617 BTC [-]
KRS1: ahem
KRS1: ahem
KRS1: .bait
KRS1: fap fap fap
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.00098652 = 9.1746 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14200 @ 0.00099095 = 14.0715 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12500 @ 0.00099534 = 12.4418 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6617 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21800 @ 0.00099218 = 21.6295 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 71 @ 0.00662481 = 0.4704 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 800 @ 0.00646498 = 5.172 BTC [-] {9}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.64012 = 6.4012 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 226 @ 0.00637003 = 1.4396 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.0009904 = 3.9616 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4150 @ 0.0009904 = 4.1102 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 6400 @ 0.000085 = 0.544 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 356 @ 0.00086972 = 0.3096 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.026 = 0.26 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4050 @ 0.0009904 = 4.0111 BTC [-]
KRS1: fap fap fap
KRS1: .bait
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 32 @ 0.02609997 = 0.8352 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20600 @ 0.00098763 = 20.3452 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12585 @ 0.00099002 = 12.4594 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 332 @ 0.00294895 = 0.9791 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 108 @ 0.002967 = 0.3204 BTC [+]
KRS1: sorry, i just dont see LTC being replaced by 'doge'
VitalyChernikov: Any body donate for Macbook pro, I need it to develop my project
VitalyChernikov: my e-mail vdchernikov@gmail.com
alystair: what project
VitalyChernikov: I develops 3 Android application and one service for my city. Service : Sellers of my city will made photo of their most interest product and send this photo with geo tags via mobile application on server.
VitalyChernikov: Other people will come on site and see that products.
VitalyChernikov: I have family - wife and little son and I develops that project to earn for my family
VitalyChernikov: But my curren PC is old and noise and it waking up wife and children when I working at night
VitalyChernikov: And I want to buy laptop to start working at any place
punkman: VitalyChernikov: shouldn't you be asking the users of your apps first?
VitalyChernikov: Yes I asked before my frends and others IT specialists - they approved my idea
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33050 @ 0.00099095 = 32.7509 BTC [+] {4}
VitalyChernikov: And there no else such service at mu city
VitalyChernikov: I am from Russia, Rybinsk city
VitalyChernikov: I need only 2 BTC to buy laptop
VitalyChernikov: If any want can write me on my e-mail, i will send my photos.
VitalyChernikov: Yes, I am real man and have family
VitalyChernikov: But all my salary is always spent on children or wife or food and I can't accumulate money for laptop. I am 28 years.
truffles: maybe u shouldve thought about that before u got wife + children
VitalyChernikov: Yes, sure. but before it I was learned in institute, than on cathedra and current at 2012 I start work as programmer. Life is awesome
truffles: u make it seem like the wife and children are taking away all ur funds, when u chose that life
KRS1: did china come to an agreement with their banks yet?
VitalyChernikov: Wife and children have motivated me to start work more hard and looking for new ideas. It is big plus
truffles: u should state it that way then :)
VitalyChernikov: So, if any want to help, simple donate I will said big thanks
KRS1: so you want to work more hard but you come here for a handout?
truffles: donate to support ur wife and kids eh?
VitalyChernikov: No, to buy laptop
truffles: even better
truffles: what r u using now?
VitalyChernikov: To develops project and then earn on it
VitalyChernikov: Old PC, that stay at bedroom
VitalyChernikov: And it is very noise and slowly
KRS1: i feel bad for him truffles throw him a few btc
truffles: kinda like mine lol
truffles: no wai im poor
KRS1: like 5-10 would be a great start for him
KRS1: VitalyChernikov keep asking i'm sure someone will, these folks are very generous.
truffles: id be if i were rich :D
truffles: except id make ppl do things for it heh
KRS1: i know you would truffles
KRS1: work for it, teh best way, but provide the opportunity
truffles: nothing too complicated though
truffles: and id prob be back to poor so fast lol
KRS1: some people are meant to be
truffles: "t is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."
VitalyChernikov: Yes, it is strange and wild step to ask help here, but I decide to try because I hope other programmers will help me
VitalyChernikov: some times programmers need simple laptop
VitalyChernikov: And it all that i need to cloase my door and start work next year
VitalyChernikov: My address 1v5dgomiYSkK21BurZ55VEuQRpmhpgvkz I will share here photo report when I buy laptop and photo of me and family
VitalyChernikov: Thanks to all
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29934 @ 0.00098648 = 29.5293 BTC [-] {3}
VitalyChernikov: And also please write me on e-mail that i may to said thanks
truffles: how can we know its ur family though
VitalyChernikov: I will report with passport and my name Vitaly Chernikov
truffles: but how will we know its ur passport
VitalyChernikov: facebook.com/VitalyChernikov
VitalyChernikov: I will with my photo on passport
truffles: cool
VitalyChernikov: I am is may be one real man from all others scrammers
VitalyChernikov: With real family,
truffles: no fake men here
VitalyChernikov: yes, it i am understood
VitalyChernikov: I have dream to earn on car for my family
VitalyChernikov: You know it is very hard without car on winter on frost to go in any place ofcity. That is why I asking heelp for laptop buying
truffles: no jobs in mother russia?
VitalyChernikov: I am working! At IT company, but salary is $850, I am beginner developer.
VitalyChernikov: With family it is hard to accumulate for car or for good laptop
VitalyChernikov: And I develops own project
VitalyChernikov: Looking for ideas
VitalyChernikov: and other
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20474 @ 0.00098991 = 20.2674 BTC [+]
VitalyChernikov: Any body donate for Macbook pro I need only 2 BTC, I need it to develop my project / my e-mail vdchernikov@gmail.com / bitcoin address 1v5dgomiYSkK21BurZ55VEuQRpmhpgvkz
VitalyChernikov: Any body donate for Macbook pro I need only 2 BTC, I need it to develop my project / my e-mail vdchernikov@gmail.com / bitcoin address 1v5dgomiYSkK21BurZ55VEuQRpmhpgvkz
truffles: 2 minute intervals hmmm
KRS1: good..keep it up!
KRS1: Now thats working hard for what you need
truffles: how about once every hour?
KRS1: He only needs 2
VitalyChernikov: Ok, will at on hour)) sorry
truffles: woot
VitalyChernikov: at one hour
VitalyChernikov: once every hour
truffles: there is a log so ppl will see it no matter what
VitalyChernikov: Ok, I understood
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.638 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.61033334 = 1.831 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.61 = 6.1 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: VitalyChernikov basically the only way out of this is to never repeat it again and claim it was a mis-paste the first time.
truffles: nooo dont ban him
kakobrekla: so he can write spam more efficiently?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.00612 = 0.153 BTC [-] {2}
truffles: there is some translation issues though
truffles: maybe he's new to chatrooms
kakobrekla: or somalian
KRS-: truffles i'm proud of you..such a big heart =D
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.04999988 = 0.15 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19760 @ 0.00098923 = 19.5472 BTC [-] {2}
KRS-: Could be serbian or nigerian too.
truffles: im nicer irl :)
truffles: not lol
truffles: but what does it mean to have a big heart though
VitalyChernikov: I am Russian
VitalyChernikov: I am not spammer
VitalyChernikov: I am not scrammer
KRS-: Maybe he should get "verified" like they do on Gox before going further.
VitalyChernikov: I am real man, programmerm that only have one need, and decide ask here help
KRS-: Do we have a submission site?
VitalyChernikov: No I have only facebook - facebook.com/VitalyChernikov,
truffles: VitalyChernikov well ur plea is known now to everyone, this moderator wants to ban u though :(
VitalyChernikov: because I more Android developer
KRS-: hmm now we are getting somewhere
VitalyChernikov: my e-mail vdchernikov@gmail.com
KRS-: remember that B&B tv show on MTV
KRS-: Vitaly you dont put your family on your facebook page
VitalyChernikov: Vitaly Chernikov!
VitalyChernikov: Oh, sorry,
truffles: why not, he lives in russia heh
kakobrekla: i fuckin hate macs.
VitalyChernikov: Yes because at Russia it is more popular Vkontakte.ru
truffles: why not = why not post family pics
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.641 BTC [+]
truffles: kako we have something in common!
truffles: i dont like macs either
KRS-: he sidestepped the submission or application process for facebook instead
truffles: i wouldnt know, i never got a facebook
KRS-: same
KRS-: never thought it was a good idea
truffles: i got a twitter or 2 though
truffles: never posted a tweet yet oddly
truffles: need to work on short witty sentences
VitalyChernikov: I do not put photo of my family because it is relatively private information. And I may send photo on e-mail
VitalyChernikov: I have son. wife and we else wait at september children
truffles: if u r legit, its nice that ure not taking away funds from the family to spend rashly on other things
simlay: I feel like there's cheaper ways to write quality software than a Macbook Pro.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 150 @ 0.00282106 = 0.4232 BTC [-] {4}
VitalyChernikov: I want buy used Macbook that is cheaper than new, but also reliable
VitalyChernikov: On Macbook you may put both Mac Os and Windows 8
KRS-: I'm sure somebody can help him out..trouble is not many people on here yet.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 850 @ 0.00276241 = 2.348 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 55 @ 0.04999995 = 2.75 BTC [+] {2}
truffles: whyd u want win 8 !
VitalyChernikov: No, it is as example
VitalyChernikov: Some times when you develops in Visual Studio on c# you need Windows
VitalyChernikov: But all other time it is pretty use MacOs
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 77 @ 0.0061 = 0.4697 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.04999998 = 0.5 BTC [+]
VitalyChernikov: Today minus 15 on celsius, at city of Rybinsk
VitalyChernikov: good wether
truffles: so warm
truffles: Oympakon seems not so warm
VitalyChernikov: sorry, good weather
VitalyChernikov: Oymyakon
VitalyChernikov: Оймякон
KRS-: warm where i am, i wish it would cool down already
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13050 @ 0.0009864 = 12.8725 BTC [-] {3}
VitalyChernikov: As we agreed put once at hour: Any body donate for Macbook pro I need only 2 BTC / I need it to develop my Android and web project / my e-mail vdchernikov@gmail.com / facebook.com/VitalyChernikov / bitcoin address 1v5dgomiYSkK21BurZ55VEuQRpmhpgvkz
kakobrekla: wait who agreed to that
kakobrekla: seriously VitalyChernikov , stop with the spam, last warning.
simlay: You should write a script that does it once per hour.
Perlboy: VitalyChernikov, here's my donation 8=================>
Perlboy: i made it extra long for you
deadweasel: here's mine: ~~~~~ :: skeet skeet ::
Perlboy: if you can't write code on the irc box you're talking from you shouldn't be cutting code
VitalyChernikov: kakobrekla is forbid me write my announcement
Perlboy: VitalyChernikov, so stfu?
Perlboy: anyways, clearly i'm being short tempered and need sleep
VitalyChernikov: "so stfu?" - what mean?
Perlboy: *gone* :)
Perlboy: ;;google stfu
gribble: Urban Dictionary: stfu: <http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=stfu>; STFU, Parents: <http://www.stfuparentsblog.com/>; What does STFU mean? - STFU Definition - Meaning of STFU ...: <http://www.internetslang.com/STFU-meaning-definition.asp>
deadweasel: night Perlboy
Perlboy: read. learn. and stfu.
KRS-: heh
VitalyChernikov: kakobrekla is forbid me write my announcement, so any who want help please write on vdchernikov@gmail.com , seriously
kakobrekla: kakobrekla is forbid you but you still do it.
KRS-: what was the announcement again
VitalyChernikov: It is was last message
kakobrekla: seriously.
KRS-: lel
asciilifeform: VitalyChernikov: последний шанс - забанят
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 428 @ 0.00295253 = 1.2637 BTC [+] {6}
VitalyChernikov: Yes, it is strange to hope that any will donate me. Will looking for about bank kredit.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 264 @ 0.00296032 = 0.7815 BTC [+] {3}
VitalyChernikov: Will looking for about bank credit.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1146 @ 0.00296699 = 3.4002 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.00297345 = 1.4867 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 995 @ 0.00297499 = 2.9601 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 138 @ 0.00086972 = 0.12 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5050 @ 0.00098928 = 4.9959 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 44 @ 0.04999998 = 2.2 BTC [+]
punkman: guys also need small btc 0.2 or 0.3 for cow. kakobrekla is forbid? cow very old is not make milk fast, son very big drink like father
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.04999999 = 0.4 BTC [+]
VitalyChernikov: No thanks
VitalyChernikov: self will earn
punkman: i earn new cow but lose in dog battle, very unlucky
VitalyChernikov: i will self earn
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 24 @ 0.04999999 = 1.2 BTC [+]
punkman: new cow was beauty. but Nico bet tractor and Nico dog look weak but beat all dog. so now i have only old cow and dog dead
punkman: but 0.2 btc I buy new wire sword and steal cow before Nico do steak
VitalyChernikov: Any body donate for Macbook pro I need only 2 BTC / I need it to develop my Android project / my e-mail vdchernikov@gmail.com / facebook.com/VitalyChernikov / bitcoin address 1v5dgomiYSkK21BurZ55VEuQRpmhpgvkz
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3750 @ 0.04999999 = 187.5 BTC [+] {2}
VitalyChernikov: Yes, ban me, ban me! I want to be baned!
VitalyChernikov: Good buy all! I will banned
simlay: punkman: lol.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 45 @ 0.05 = 2.25 BTC [+]
punkman: simlay: you have small btc for cow?
punkman: will send picture of cow when she is back
VitalyChernikov: I still alive??
punkman: can also sent steak but from old cow, not very good, maybe soup
lippoper: have you guys seen dogecoin?
lippoper: this shit is to da moon
simlay: I don't understand wtf is happening with dogecoin.
punkman: meme is demand
simlay: The daily transaction volume is larger than the market cap.
alystair: where do I buy dogecoin
simlay: Also, I don't see how dogecoin is different than say lightcoin.
simlay: That's mostly due to ignorance.
lippoper: very profitable
lippoper: much currency
lippoper: 200 satoshis
lippoper: 50k doges = .11btc
lippoper: there's KRS
VitalyChernikov: Any body donate for Macbook pro I need only 2 BTC / I need it to develop my Android project / my e-mail vdchernikov@gmail.com / facebook.com/VitalyChernikov / bitcoin address 1v5dgomiYSkK21BurZ55VEuQRpmhpgvkz
simlay: I'm no rocket scientist but you've definitely not waited an hour to respam.
KRS1: Saw that coming
KRS1: lippoper major doge action lel =)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10800 @ 0.00099246 = 10.7186 BTC [+]
simlay: #dogecoin is such a shit show.
truffles: its too fast in there
simlay: Yeah, impossible to follow anything.
pankkake: OMG begging for a macbook. :(
truffles: he clearly left too soon
punkman: "DOGE Colored Coins. Such Power! Wow. make new coins. p2p exchange. smart contracts. to the moon."
simlay: I think my favorite part of dogecoin is the lack of complete sentences.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.0062 = 0.155 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21450 @ 0.00099423 = 21.3262 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.0061999 = 0.124 BTC [-]
lippoper: much sentence
lippoper: such short
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.61105 = 1.2221 BTC [-] {2}
lippoper: "I used to own 25% Bitcoin and 75% Litecoin. I didn't want to sell my Litecoin so instead I dumped my bitcoin and bought 5 Million Doge!! Best decision I ever made and I'm not selling."
lippoper: dogeroad == silkroad but with dogecoin
pankkake: dogecoin is as good as litecoin as far as I'm concerned
pankkake: probably has better devs
lippoper: I agree
lippoper: Litecoin devs have been dropping the ball all along the way
lippoper: so many opportunities missed
lippoper: The devs for doge have fixed a lot of the LTC issues
lippoper: as far as I'm concerned it's a better coin
lippoper: plus the community is super active
lippoper: last time I heard anything about LTC was last year, when koolio and gang raised over 8k LTC for development and nothing came of it
Shokora: plus it's always fun to see actual money being exchanged on websites littered with memes and nonsensical shit in general
Shokora: it's like the lulz apocalypse
lippoper: they were supposed to be added to Gox
lippoper: Doge's difficulty is climbing so fast
lippoper: network hash rate has gone from 30GH/s this last thursday to 105GH/s today
lippoper: Difficulty 1065.3591744 Est Next Difficulty 1351.40698655
lippoper: it also went from being worth 40-50 satoshis to ~200 satoshis now
lippoper: It's the year of the dog
lippoper: like the chinese say
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26300 @ 0.00099284 = 26.1117 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 10784 @ 0.00008914 = 0.9613 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 35435 @ 0.00009499 = 3.366 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 100 @ 0.04999999 = 5 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 64 @ 0.00297499 = 0.1904 BTC [+]
ozbot: Casascius Physical Bitcoins Lealana Bitcoin 12 Coin Collection Silver Gold 5 1 | eBay
thestringpuller: or current bid?
nubbins`: 19btc worth of stuff, current bid $9,300
the20year: are they redeemed?
the20year: 3 coins worth 1btc, 1 coin worth 1 btc, 8 coins worth 0.5btc = 8btc
alystair: how in the world do you get 19btc as value lol
nubbins`: afaik unredeemed
nubbins`: 3x2 + 8x1.5 + 1x1 = 19(no idea what lelelel coins are worth)
nubbins`: alystair, by counting the resale value, not the face value
the20year: it says those 3 coins are 1btc each
nubbins`: face value, yep
lippoper: and where did you get 1.5btc value from?
thestringpuller: has any casascius coin ever been defective?
lippoper: it's half
lippoper: as in 0.5
lippoper: not 1.5
nubbins`: lippoper: and the market is what it is, not what you think it is
lippoper: that's how you end up getting ripped off
lippoper: a btc is a btc is a btc
nubbins`: see my previous statement
lippoper: regardless of how much USD it's worth ;-)
nubbins`: go ahead and buy a silver 0.5 for 0.5btc
nubbins`: i dare ya
lippoper: you nubbins
nubbins`: me nubbins, you lippoper
nubbins`: thestringpuller, i've seen a gold-plated 1btc silver with a heart-shaped gold defect
lippoper: stop being such a nubbins
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5185 @ 0.00009055 = 0.4695 BTC [-] {4}
nubbins`: nubbins (n): one who speaks the truth
nubbins`: anyway, this guy's doing his auction all wrong
lippoper: nubbins (v): to mess up details and facts
lippoper: with opinions
nubbins`: who the fuck wants to buy eight dupes from a reseller with a rating of 11?
nubbins`: hahah
nubbins`: i invited you to try purchasing an 0.5 casascius silver for 0.5btc
lippoper: that's a horrible party invite
nubbins`: well, yes, because you can't
lippoper: don't you have some 'nerds' to pick on lol
nubbins`: that's what i'm doing right now
truffles: its usually me
lippoper: pick on KRS1
truffles: he'd rather do that than challenge me to a game of chess ..
nubbins`: <lippoper> lel things are worth what i think they're worth, not what they're actually worth!
nubbins`: truffles, you're too demanding an opponent ;p
truffles: ure the last person i would play non-timer
truffles: 5 minute per move is terrible
nubbins`: the logs tell a different story
lippoper: try 24 hours per move
lippoper: we'll play over email
nubbins`: i used to play via SMS
nubbins`: games took days
truffles: well Boingo did wait 24hrs once lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4018 @ 0.00099392 = 3.9936 BTC [+]
truffles: id do inchat whenever ure ready
truffles: chat logs will tell me how long ure taking per move too
nubbins`: heh, check it
nubbins`: What should I do now?
nubbins`: Don't ship the item. We've completed the Payment Review and canceled the payment because it may not have been authorized by the PayPal account holder.
nubbins`: thought that guy was a bit too eager
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31067 @ 0.00099108 = 30.7899 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.617 = 1.234 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.616 = 1.232 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.616 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19850 @ 0.00099392 = 19.7293 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35200 @ 0.00099485 = 35.0187 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: !t m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00087687 / 0.00096953 / 0.0009999 (1236088 shares, 1,198.44 BTC), 7D: 0.00083792 / 0.00087234 / 0.0009999 (6570762 shares, 5,731.99 BTC), 30D: 0.00062972 / 0.00087213 / 0.0009999 (26205358 shares, 22,854.72 BTC)
mircea_popescu: just not five digits huh
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.61500001 = 1.23 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.615 = 1.23 BTC [-]
nubbins`: so close!
nubbins`: turns out dropping 24btc on openbsd was a great form of advertising
nubbins`: ars, el reg, slashdot, zdnet, etc all carried the story
truffles: r ppl smart enough for such maneuvers
nubbins`: only some credited bingo's blog ;)
mircea_popescu: iirc he was saying he got a lot of traffic
pankkake: that was some cheap advertising
nubbins`: i don't doubt it, lotta readers saw those stories
nubbins`: !t m s.mg
assbot: [MPEX:S.MG] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00010001 / 0.00010069 / 0.000135 (30796 shares, 3.10 BTC), 30D: 0.00010001 / 0.0001061 / 0.00014 (53100 shares, 5.63 BTC)
pankkake: any increases in rss feed subscriptions? twatter followers?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10800 @ 0.00099495 = 10.7455 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: the funniest part in all of this are, of course, the variously non-english speaking romanian doods who had figured they're like... you know... teh bitcoin jesus
mircea_popescu: (stuff happens in romania after a delay)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73900 @ 0.0009953 = 73.5527 BTC [+] {5}
mircea_popescu: china taking the whole "you're grounded" thing to a whole new level
mircea_popescu: (mostly quoted for teh wtf pic)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00285259 = 0.2853 BTC [-] {4}
nubbins`: (mostly linked for the headline)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24660 @ 0.00099143 = 24.4487 BTC [-]
nubbins`: "Rap for KitKat in crap app wrap trap flap: Android 4.4 is 'meant to work like that'"
mircea_popescu: omg theregister speak!
nubbins`: i've always had a soft spot for rhyming and alliteration in headlines
truffles: useful things in life ofc
nubbins`: i always picture a room full of editors roaring with laughter and saying HAHAHA FUCK IT LET'S PUBLISH IT
mircea_popescu: and nobody reading it knows what the headlines mean...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7380 @ 0.00099567 = 7.348 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: you need to draw a diagram sometimes to figure them out
VitalyChernikov: Any body donate for Macbook pro I need only 2 BTC / I need it to develop my Android project / my e-mail vdchernikov@gmail.com / facebook.com/VitalyChernikov / bitcoin address 1v5dgomiYSkK21BurZ55VEuQRpmhpgvkz
pankkake: I don't want to live on this planet anymore
asciilifeform: will somebody please wake the mod ?
mircea_popescu: lo. funny thing is, ima write an article about exactly this.
mircea_popescu: be about an hour.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 152 @ 0.00617863 = 0.9392 BTC [+] {7}
asciilifeform: i asked the fellow politely, to hush, in his mother tongue. no dice.
TomServo: Did he even acknowledge it?
pankkake: I hope he's just a scammer and he won't really buy a macbook
asciilifeform: he did. said he would, anyway.
mircea_popescu: i imagine he's just trying this strange internet cube in original if inadequate ways.
pankkake: you don't use macbooks to develop, you use macbooks in node.js/ruby on rails/etc. conferences or in starbucks
VitalyChernikov: I am not a scammer, I real need
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform odds are you'll see him again, in that other capacity.
mircea_popescu: there's a progression at work.
pankkake: VitalyChernikov, I suppose you currently have a computer, since you're here
mircea_popescu: phylogenesis retracing ontogenesis and all that.
truffles: its old and noisey pankkake!
TomServo: I blame mircea_popescu and his donation :P
mircea_popescu: i confess ;/
truffles: i wanted to ask why he came here
KRS1: Vitaly what was it you needed
truffles: krs1 i like cage whats, i dont get it
truffles: from that movie he did?
KRS1: i thinks
truffles: once upon a time, he was my fav actor of all time
VitalyChernikov: oh sorry I need to put children into bed, i will be back
KRS1: ya he's real good..u has new fav?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: hard (but not impossible!) to cross-compile winblows trojans under mac os.
truffles: those that produce consistent good work maybe
truffles: like Dicaprio
VitalyChernikov: Peoples, I simple asking help. You do not sistuation when you eant to work and you have no ability! I working and grow children it is both hard. I repeat that i need Macbook for my work.
truffles: VitalyChernikov how come u didnt make this plea in #bitcoin?
asciilifeform: and what would be wrong with a linux box?
VitalyChernikov: Sorry, last message was written with many mistakes because I was hurry.
KRS1: idk who my fav actor is..guess i still like the ones who are too old now
pankkake: wait, you have no ability and no job… but you want to write an android application "for your work"
VitalyChernikov: Peoples, I simple asking help. You do not know sistuation when you want to work and you have no ability! I working and parallely grow children and it is both hard. I repeat that i need Macbook for my work.
truffles: tom hanks?
KRS1: yep, rodney dangerfield, dan ankroyd, etc.
pankkake: growing children
truffles: didnt those 2 die?
KRS1: one did i think
truffles: VitalyChernikov u didnt answer my question !
KRS1: Isn't there a submission form he should fill out?
truffles: i thought he gave up after avoiding the 1 hour per copypaste
pankkake: VitalyChernikov: do you have a daughter? I'll buy her for 2 BTC
twizt: lol
KRS1: I bid 2.3
KRS1: pics
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 356 @ 0.00086966 = 0.3096 BTC [+]
ozbot: La firma pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
truffles: doesnt look english
mircea_popescu: that's okay, he speaks languages.
truffles: yea im sure he speaks broken x language :)
KRS1: Vitaly grows children? Show me how this is done.
KRS1: Must look into this.
alystair: how long does it take for an unverified transaction to show up in my wallet?
pankkake: a few seconds unless something is wrong
alystair: someone said they sent me 45000 doges after I paid them with paypal
alystair: but nothing shown up yet... it's been like 20 minutes now
mircea_popescu: alystair a block is about ten minutes, but a wallet should show tx in the pool as unconfirmed
mircea_popescu: so... half an hour ?
mircea_popescu: o doge. that i have no idea.
alystair: oh oops, I'm talking in wrong room
punkman: doge's like a block per minute
mircea_popescu: there's a doge-assets ?
pankkake: it's easy to resend them too; getrawtransaction <txid>; sendrawtransaction <theresult>
pankkake: so ask him to resend it, or even, give you the raw tx so you can send it
ozbot: xkcd: Automation
mircea_popescu: sounds about right.
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 55 @ 0.0029 = 0.1595 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 165 @ 0.0027701 = 0.4571 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 236 @ 0.00275 = 0.649 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12600 @ 0.00099498 = 12.5367 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 45 @ 0.00274 = 0.1233 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: "something important happens when a previously privileged position in society suddenly sees incredibly demand that needs to be filled, using enormous quantities of manpower. that happened to programming computers about a decade ago, or maybe two. first, the people will no longer be super dedicated people, and they won't be as skilled or even as smart -- what was once dedication is replaced by greed and someti
asciilifeform: mes sheer need as the motivation to enter the field...."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 58 @ 0.00597012 = 0.3463 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23350 @ 0.00099444 = 23.2202 BTC [-]
deego: God. I hate Naggum. The ultimate troll/flamer. Just because he's dead, people start worshipping him now.
ozbot: Twitter / frolova_nina: @Mircea_Popescu Your help is ...
mircea_popescu: i'm selling my interest in nina, taking bids.
mircea_popescu: deego i suspect stan worshipped him before he died.
asciilifeform: funnily, i never once spoke with herr n. when he was alive
asciilifeform: and sort of hated his guts
mircea_popescu: now that's interesting.
mircea_popescu: how come ?
asciilifeform: i took the side of some of the people he was flaming (in my head)
asciilifeform: because at the time i was quite irritated with commonlisp.
mircea_popescu: that;s always a good reason to like a person, neh ?
ozbot: Google Groups
deego: asciilifeform: Oh, I like lisp, but a complete asshole and a jerk is still a jerk. :)
asciilifeform: i was a lurker of the worst degree - several years after the fact.
deego: author of such gems as " do the world a huge favor and commit suicide tonight."
asciilifeform: deego: it helps to know the context.
asciilifeform: some of the people he dealt with really were living garbage of the most noxious sort.
mircea_popescu: deego perhaps unbeknownst to you, you're in a pit where assholes and jerks are properly revered as the kings of all creation. which they are.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform which brings to mind : redditard wisdom is now that "i edited" the niggers article, because rather than wrap their stupid heads around the fact they couldn't matte rless,
mircea_popescu: claiming the sun set in the east some time last month is a much easier solution.,
mircea_popescu: on reddit.
asciilifeform: hm. kid at racetrack: 'damn those things are loud, and they stink.' old man: 'unbeknownst to you, you're in a pit where loud, stinking things are revered.' kid: goes home, smears shit on himself, yells 'vroom! vroom!'
VitalyChernikov: Any body donate for Macbook pro I need only 2 BTC / I need it to develop my Android project / My name is Vitaly Chernikov, i am 28 years/ my e-mail vdchernikov@gmail.com / facebook.com/VitalyChernikov / bitcoin address 1v5dgomiYSkK21BurZ55VEuQRpmhpgvkz
asciilifeform: the sad part is that even naggum's idiots were livelier and more interesting than modern ones (that i know of)
mircea_popescu: kako is going to end up sending openbsd a bill.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6311 @ 0.00099444 = 6.2759 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there is something otherworldly about the sack of shit that goes "i'll just sit here and pretend, no matter what"
asciilifeform: much the same psychiatric aspects as the case of an ordinary spammer. who doesn't see the channel as a place with people, but as a receptacle
asciilifeform: like a urinal
asciilifeform: or, to be charitable, an altar
mircea_popescu: jesus, so much capitalisation drama in lisp
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform arguably, the libertard is pissing in his own mouth tho.
asciilifeform: 90% of the drama was in the form of A: 'standard is crap!' B: 'no it isn't, i love it' A: ok, how about this B: yeah, maybe this should've been different A: let's change it B: no, you'll break my satellite/aircraft carrier/jacuzzi
asciilifeform: (standard being ANSI INCITS 226-1994)
mircea_popescu: perhaps. the way it reads to me is more like boys tring to come to terms with questions of hierarchy and submission in an extremely complex environment
asciilifeform: it was exactly this
mircea_popescu: with the result that the work needed on average exceeds the work anyone's to put in
mircea_popescu: anyone' willing/able to put in i mean
mircea_popescu: welll... don't they play football in their spare time anymore, these people ? what do they do when they're 15 ?
asciilifeform: plenty of args re: business, etc
ozbot: Re: LispWorks Pricing Information from Xanalys - Naggum cll archive
asciilifeform: "the regulators are fully to blame for the inability of societies to value software properly..."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61500002 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: but i'll stop here. anybody who wants these knows where to find them.
asciilifeform: (xach has the whole thing, at least as far as usenet goes.)
mircea_popescu: " What you could do is take this back to the drawing board, declare yourself unfit to make technical decision because of too much personal involvement, and let other people find ways to reach all of your (technical) goals while breaking none of other people's goals and needs. "
mircea_popescu: i wonder if this ever happened.
asciilifeform: doubtful.
mircea_popescu: so then what am i to think of someone who proposes someone else should do what has never happened.
mircea_popescu: maybe naggum should fart magical pie out of his ear that convinces princess diana to learn how to lisp.
VitalyChernikov: Any body donate for Macbook pro I need only 2 BTC / I need it to develop my Android project / My name is Vitaly Chernikov, i am 28 years/ my e-mail vdchernikov@gmail.com / facebook.com/VitalyChernikov / bitcoin address 1v5dgomiYSkK21BurZ55VEuQRpmhpgvkz
asciilifeform: lusers don't kill themselves at the behest of a fiery flame, either
asciilifeform: but it doesn't hurt to suggest it politely.
asciilifeform: some people may get the message.
mircea_popescu: ok, let's take the final portion. "reach all your goals w/o breaking other people's "needs" ?!
mircea_popescu: has THIS ever happened ?
asciilifeform: naggum, in case this doesn't come across in his posts, did not want to popularize common lisp.
asciilifeform: and frequently hammered people who mentioned having this goal.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8250 @ 0.00099357 = 8.197 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: " Each and every time someone in the Computer Science field has a Bright Idea, the world had better be prepared to adapt, because Here Comes Genius and everything everybody has done needs to be done differently from now on, because This Genius Knows Best."
nubbins`: pankkake i used to work at a place that did .net development, this one dev purchased his own high-end mac workstation and ran windows in a VM to do his coding
mircea_popescu: someone should write the naggumtropes website.
pankkake: nubbins`: oh, I've seen similar horrible things
pankkake: *sysadmin* running windows on a mac
nubbins`: he used TimeMachine for version control
pankkake: lollll
asciilifeform: i know several people, who will remain nameless, who do variations on this theme.
nubbins`: all the same, he never had any problems with it
pankkake: VitalyChernikov: entertain us or get out. or at least sell your daugther
nubbins`: every now and then his windows vm got messed up and he'd just fire up a new one
asciilifeform: nubbins`: this is SOP in crapware analysis
mircea_popescu: " I prefer a society based in the rule of law to groups of eager people with bright ideas who ignore everything that has gone before them." << we now have the definition of the old fart.
nubbins`: SOP for sharepoint development too
nubbins`: way too easy to fuck up your whole install
mircea_popescu: pankkake what, he's still here ?
pankkake: yes, with the same message
mircea_popescu: if more people went to school and got internet,
mircea_popescu: more people would be here saying the same interesting thing
mircea_popescu: multiple times.
mircea_popescu: how could one not be a progressive ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, study material re winter and cars :
VitalyChernikov: I do not know what to do futher, how start developing and how redistribute my time. I only have time from 4 a.m. to 7 a.m before main job. And after job I there 7 p.m. to 11 p.m. I do home work.
VitalyChernikov: There variants to resign from main job and start develops
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8300 @ 0.00099439 = 8.2534 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: i dont see a time window for spamming -assets inthere'
mircea_popescu: if she turned you'd notice the wifi wifeplug
asciilifeform: wifeplug?
mircea_popescu: yes. gfplug goes in teh front, wifeplug goes in the back.
mircea_popescu: it's really very complicated.
asciilifeform: whole field, 'dildonics,' as i understand.
mircea_popescu: dildo-nix
mircea_popescu: they argue a lot about flavour, instead of case.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5197 @ 0.00099357 = 5.1636 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.04999999 = 0.5 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu is drunk I see
mircea_popescu: wait wut /
jurov: VitalyChernikov: what about replacing these fans in your machine?
jurov: and if it's still noisy due to hdd, teach ur wife to bear it
asciilifeform: "A random spectator at a televised sports event held up a placard with a QR code and the text “Send me Bitcoin!” He received $25,000 in Bitcoin in the first 24 hours, all from people he had never met."
blg: andreesseen is who backed coinbase for 25 million, the author of that article
asciilifeform: and you people wonder where the beggars come from.
blg: lol nice nick
mircea_popescu: blg well it's nice to see people are coming to terms with it.
kakobrekla: from new york?
blg: yeah Andreessen Horowitz is a very famous VC firm in the silicon valley
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 121 @ 0.04999999 = 6.05 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: they're funding.... urbit.
blg: yes
blg: i have a friend who's company might get backed by them
VitalyChernikov: jurov: It is any way not suitable carrying big PC to kitchen and back. And some times I may work at coworking office out off home
blg: i live in silicon valley
mircea_popescu: ;;ident AndreessenHorowitz
gribble: Error: I am not seeing this user on IRC. If you want information about a registered gpg user, try the 'gpg info' command instead.
mircea_popescu: well, they got a ways to go yet.
ozbot: Andreessen Horowitz - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
jurov: VitalyChernikov what have fans to do with kitchen? learn englich properly first
blg: lol groupon
blg: and lol instagram
jcpham: teespring most recently
kakobrekla: its learn england, jurov .
pankkake: VitalyChernikov: why does it have to be a macbook?
jurov: lrn totly yea
kakobrekla: cause macfag.
mircea_popescu: so why would your friend wish to associate himself with the groupon scammers ?
blg: what do you mean scammers?
VitalyChernikov: Because on Macbook you can install both MacOs and Windows 8!
blg: groupon was legit until their CEO ran it in to the groud
mircea_popescu: i mean people who make false statements to collect money from suckers, and then fail to deliver
mircea_popescu: you know... scammers.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: people will do literally anything if they think it will set them free from work-prison.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00279 = 0.279 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: hahaha o i see, much like say what, skepsidyne ?
blg: well andreessen exited way before all that
mircea_popescu: blg but they pushed it, didn't they ?
jurov: VitalyChernikov: if you can't fix noisy machine then you won't get a satoshi, i'm afraid
pankkake: VitalyChernikov: both being terrible choices, especially since you pretend you want to write Android applications
blg: i guess
blg: how is groupon a scam
blg: i've never used it
pankkake: you pretend to have a job and a wife, yet spend your time begging for 2 BTC?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah, but it's a little ridiculous that they seem to somehow have constructed a pretend-world where they don't even have to consider what they're doing.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.61500001 = 1.845 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: 'the sleep of reason births monsters' or how did it go.
mircea_popescu: blg groupon is a scam in the manner the web start-up circus is a scam. make website with no utility, pretend huge customer base that doesn't exist or is bught, pretend huge growth that doesn't exist or is manufactured,
mircea_popescu: list the thing and split with the ipo proceeds.
blg: oh hah
blg: well groupon should have taken the 6 billion dollar offer from google
blg: that was the mistake of a lifetime there
mircea_popescu: perhaps.
blg: same with snapchat
blg: 3 billion from facebook
blg: suckerberg is a douche i would have loved to see his face though
mircea_popescu: cat-in-the-bag trading may be great comedy, but it's not business.
blg: lol
blg: i have access to the #1 tor exit node
blg: #1 in throughput i mean
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 200 @ 0.04999999 = 10 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: to be fair, this is really 'amateur hour'
asciilifeform: as if it escapes anyone's attention that ssl-mitm is readily detectable.
asciilifeform: (when lacking the root key, that is. the people who have the latter, however, needn't screw with tor; they diddle your packets wherever they like.)
mircea_popescu: "Visits to Wikipedia had previously risen steadily year-on-year for a decade. Towards the end of the 2012 this trend not only stalled, but went into an unprecedented decline."
mircea_popescu: i wish to officially take credit for this.
mircea_popescu: fu, retardopedia.
asciilifeform: other explanation: wik. struck a deal with google to be removed from the pagerank engine
asciilifeform: so people stopped spamming it
asciilifeform: (for the most part)
asciilifeform: and turns out most of the visitors were... spammers.
mircea_popescu: sure, sure.
mircea_popescu: coincidentally, i also blogged about what a pos it is, about on the same timeline
mircea_popescu: i still wish to take credit for it.
blg: what alternative do you recommend for wikipedia
mircea_popescu: an education.
pankkake: you're just upset because there is no Wikipedia article about the great Mircea Popescu
mircea_popescu: there is no possible alternative. no magic trick will make you be knowledgeable, other than actually being knowledgeable.
mircea_popescu: pankkake uh isn't there ?
mircea_popescu: i recall they wanted a pic and so i licensed some at some point
mircea_popescu: ie, gpl-released
mircea_popescu: hm i guess there isn't.
mircea_popescu: well, maybe if i take up soccer.
pankkake: or become a pokémon
mircea_popescu: what's involved in becoming a pokemon ?
VitalyChernikov: What i do?? I fucked!! I terrorizу chat instead start working!!
mircea_popescu: the people or the empty boxen ?
dub: fanboxen
Duffer1: looks like the activeminer pics
dub: s/activeminer/bfl
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34700 @ 0.00099586 = 34.5563 BTC [+] {4}
pankkake: they're "tweaking boards" but no performance indication
mircea_popescu: s/ needs to be recursinve now
mircea_popescu: pankkake wouldn't it kick ass if the miners actually had non-planar boards
mircea_popescu: cause they got tweaked you see.
pankkake: I have some non-planar boards
pankkake: but it wasn't planned
ozbot: Welcome to Instant Rimshot
Namworld: are the cointerra workers 15 or what?
dub: foreground dude looks like rg
Namworld: They could be same family too. "Hey kids, do you want a bigger allowance? Daddy needs help to build fanboxes. It's some sort of weird fetish porn. Some people get excited and throw money at you when you show them fanboxes."
pankkake: needs more miners with fan leds
nanotube: mircea_popescu: nice work on openbsd :)
mircea_popescu: as per usual, i did none of the work,
mircea_popescu: i'm just taking all the credit.
mgio: hello everyone
Uglux: hi
ozbot: Just-News @ Just-Dice: NO REFUNDS -- NO EXCEPTIONS
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.615 = 1.845 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: surprise surprise.
TomServo: Doog did a doge-dice site?
TomServo: what the...
pankkake: yes; after all, it's the most serious altcoin to ever come
Duffer1: .....................
kakobrekla: just wait until doge is 100$.
kakobrekla: 3 spans of the universe, tops.
mircea_popescu: pankkake look at that, these filthy bitbet scammers taking over the world.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 24 @ 0.02410416 = 0.5785 BTC [-] {4}
pankkake: how?
pankkake: maybe I should have invested in bitbet after all…
mircea_popescu: how dare just-dice not refund people's losses!
mircea_popescu: this is the internet! on the package in which internet came, it clearly said it's an enjoyable experience.
pankkake: funnily I'm still at a slight loss as an investor
mircea_popescu: the luser has already paid aol 30 bucks, he is E.N.T.I.T.L.E.D. to everything else now
mircea_popescu: what the fcuk
pankkake: the internet failed by not having micropayments early
pankkake: now every website is supposed to sustain itself by advertising
mircea_popescu: the internet failed by not having payment well sorted out BEFORE it allowed undegrads access.
dub: lel
dub: what degrees do you hold again mp?
mircea_popescu: this created 10-15 years of dead air during which every fuckwit ended up with delusions of equality with the class of people who rightfully had free internet everytthing
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.615 = 1.845 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: but that's besides the point. i have no problem paying for shit.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18400 @ 0.00099591 = 18.3247 BTC [+]
dub: arts, impressive
mircea_popescu: not everyone can be smart enough to go into tech :D
dub: tech is more about sucking the right dick
pankkake: how so?
mircea_popescu: i was being sarcastic yo. i did physics before i did philosophy.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 7 @ 0.02579999 = 0.1806 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 20 @ 0.0241 = 0.482 BTC [-]
dub: corporate life, even in engineering, is more about your network than education
jcpham: dub tell us how you really feel
dub: dem feels
mircea_popescu: tech as an intellectual pursuit has nothing to do with tech as a job.
dub: true
mircea_popescu: jobs as organised by people who don't customarily use weaponry would necessarily degenerate in the equivalent of the female chimp flea picking fest.
mircea_popescu: nttawwt.
dub: ;;ud nttawwt
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=NTTAWWT | Not That There's Anything Wrong With That. (Origin: Seinfeld?)
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: NTTAWWT
dub: ty ud
mircea_popescu: wow, i had just made it up
mircea_popescu: or so i thought.
dub: I thought mp has keyboard tourettes
pankkake: thougt it was a variation of "awww"
mircea_popescu: jesus one can't even be autistically clever anymore.
pankkake: but that shorthand can be useful, as I'm often to lazy to say the full sentence
mircea_popescu: unpronounceable tho
mircea_popescu: 1nttawwtplzdonateguise.
mgio: has anyone seen ukyo around recently?
dub: try #scamtown
pankkake: oh he's not there anymore?
mircea_popescu: ;;seen ukyo
gribble: ukyo was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 weeks, 1 day, 3 hours, 42 minutes, and 12 seconds ago: <Ukyo> thats been the promise all along VanCleef
Duffer1: try #bitfunder
mircea_popescu: did they cover in the end as promised or how did that end up ?
jurov: he's sometimes on #bitfunder or #weex
jurov: and they paid only 2% of that
jurov: the rest is "not accessible"
Duffer1: not accessible how?
kakobrekla: meaning they dont have it.
jurov: even the 2% claims interface has bitcoind outages every now and then
jurov: ukyo always carefully avoids disclosing how
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7253 @ 0.0009927 = 7.2001 BTC [-] {2}
Duffer1: fascinating
mgio: its horrible
mgio: i'm owed 250 coins
dub: that was stupid
Duffer1: i'm sorry to hear that man
mgio: thats a buttload of money
mgio: unfortunately it looks like its lawyer time
mgio: its enough moeny that i have no other choice
kakobrekla: well at least you are on the right path, being here.
jurov: mgio, let me know if you do some moves, i can throw something in
mgio: last i heard he still cliams to plan on playing everyone back and even paying all back dividends on ukyo.loan bonds, but he hasn't said anything in a while now
mircea_popescu: jurov sad.
jurov: it's "only" 28btc in it for me
mircea_popescu: so you saved openbfd ?
jurov: yep :)
dub: openbfd eh
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.04999999 = 0.25 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.04999999 = 0.3 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14400 @ 0.00099177 = 14.2815 BTC [-] {2}
dub: vial: sounds like a good summary of the ukyo situ
mgio: its very sad lol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.04999999 = 0.25 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.04900102 = 0.147 BTC [-]
pLambert: is S.MPOE really worth a billion USD?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2300 @ 0.00099183 = 2.2812 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 50 @ 0.04870022 = 2.435 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15978 @ 0.00099183 = 15.8475 BTC [+]
FakeVolumeBot: pLambert: yes!
mircea_popescu: is the usg really worth 10 trillion usd ?
pLambert: no, the USG is worth -10 trillion USD, they are in deep debt!
ozbot: User talk:87.98.146.72 - Sons of Anarchy
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 88 @ 0.00372 = 0.3274 BTC [-]
pankkake: mircea_popescu: it's me
mircea_popescu: what's teh anarchy wikia thing ?
pankkake: it's a TV series
pankkake: I fixed a typo with that IP I guess
mircea_popescu: the stuff you do lol
mircea_popescu: related.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18319 @ 0.00099211 = 18.1745 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform re the 30 minute thing : maybe time to include some nuclear power.
mircea_popescu: that way you can time even when offline. also good in space.
asciilifeform: pocket nuclear power for beginners: a ten-second intro!
asciilifeform: 1) buy 'traser' key chain.
asciilifeform: 2) small photovoltaic cells, from pocket calculators.
asciilifeform: 3) you can just possibly power a pocket calculator.
ozbot: Depleted Cranium » Blog Archive » My Attempt to Import Tritium Key Chains
asciilifeform: yet Am-241 pissing gamma from the ceiling is 100% legal.
mircea_popescu: no, it's legally required.
alystair: I have a few of those actually
alystair: tritium trinkets
asciilifeform: tritium gun sights are also widely sold here.
alystair: I have one on my key chain, one in my backpack and 3 in a chain on my wall at home so I can be oriented when all lights are off
asciilifeform: naturally, the solution re: a traser battery is that the buyer must supply his own.
asciilifeform: just like the pipes sold across the street from where i live don't come with a bag of pot to smoke
mircea_popescu: what happens if you crush one of these ?
asciilifeform: and inhale it?
asciilifeform: probably similar to visiting Pripyat in terms of 'millideaths' (or whatever the fashionable name for this phenomenon was)
asciilifeform: you will need a hammer and anvil.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, most of the us could produce radon gas by the bucket.
mircea_popescu: i wonder if radon works for this application
asciilifeform: all of NYC, if i recall, is sitting on thorium ore.
asciilifeform: radon: 4 d. half life?
mircea_popescu: let's not mix wow into this
alystair: you'd get more damage from the glass shards than the gas
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 146 @ 0.00274035 = 0.4001 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.04999998 = 0.25 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.04999998 = 0.2 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: seems it's about half a curie's worth
mircea_popescu: suppose the truck carrying these falls off a bridge.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 54 @ 0.00274 = 0.148 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: (generally, a ton of naturally occuring uranium is about 1/3 curie or so)
mgio: you can't even get thorium lantern mantles anymore :(
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6044 @ 0.00099735 = 6.028 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.04999998 = 0.15 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: tritium, afaik, won't bio-accumulate
asciilifeform: outside the body, it does exactly nothing (alpha emitter)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 70 @ 0.00273001 = 0.1911 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.04999998 = 0.2 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 223 @ 0.0027101 = 0.6044 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 13 @ 0.04999998 = 0.65 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 251 @ 0.0027101 = 0.6802 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 206 @ 0.0027101 = 0.5583 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1000 @ 0.00270025 = 2.7003 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12025 @ 0.00099564 = 11.9726 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 50 @ 0.04999998 = 2.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.04999998 = 0.7 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 743 @ 0.0027002 = 2.0062 BTC [-]
copumpkin: MPOE is on fire!
truffles: who got insulted this time
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 120 @ 0.0008704 = 0.1044 BTC [+] {3}
Duffer1: wonder what's up with PETA
Duffer1: is cointerra shipping?
ozbot: [PRE IPO] Looking for IPO - Attention MPOE MPEX MPOE-PR
diametric: lol...
pankkake: I don't get it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65600 @ 0.00099095 = 65.0063 BTC [-] {6}
Duffer1: he posted in the jimmothy hate fest thread, not sure if serious
copumpkin: I fucking hate the kind of thinking that went into that post
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8900 @ 0.00099085 = 8.8186 BTC [-]
Duffer1: "thinking"
copumpkin: well, it's so widespread that I need to call it something
copumpkin: "I have a random idea. It'll be great! I just need a bunch of people to actually do it now..."
Duffer1: muppetry is a good one i've adopted recently
mircea_popescu: Duffer1 100mn valuation ?
mircea_popescu: teh forum trollage is getting pretty good.
Duffer1: oh i dunno prolly
rattaTATpewpew: san francisco kinda sucks
Duffer1: i got about tree fiddy on it
mircea_popescu: copumpkin dontcha wanna be on the board ?
dub: thats moar like, I had an idea, here take it
copumpkin: totally man
copumpkin: let me throw a few million after it too
copumpkin: after all, it'll be worth $100m or more, it's a great investment
mircea_popescu: i had a brilliant idea yesterday
mircea_popescu: the problem is... i had it between drinks and tits
mircea_popescu: and now i don't remember it.
dub: I do that all the time
dub: OMG this will change everything I should write it down before I go to slee.. zzz
mircea_popescu: it's more a case of "am i going to say "honey wait just a second i need to jot some words down" and look like a dork or am i going to remember it when i'm done with her ?"
mircea_popescu: one's vanity tends to flatter themselves.
truffles: dictate to one of the 3
dub: yeah the other one is this is too important to forget.. no wai I'll forget this!
mircea_popescu: i write faster than i speak
copumpkin: mircea_popescu: he asked for MPOE-PR
copumpkin: time for a smackdown
mircea_popescu: whoa that thread
ozbot: [Mpex.co] The biggest scam in bitcoin history?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22300 @ 0.00099085 = 22.096 BTC [-]
Duffer1: ya asking for money from you in the same thread he calls you a "die hard racist" lol
Duffer1: this thread has cheered me up a lot
mircea_popescu: the funny thing is that if a bunch of oldtimers whom we won't name didn't think themselves smarter than me back in 2011, and said no to teh pirate guy when i said no to teh pirate guy,
mircea_popescu: there'd have been no pirate guy in 2011.
mircea_popescu: arguably the difficulty exponential has washed all that into irrelevance, but anyway.
mircea_popescu: and i lost count on mnw, is the guy meanwhile scammy or unscammy ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.00597012 = 0.1194 BTC [-]
Azelphur: mircea_popescu: yay, you're talking about me XD
Azelphur: although amusingly I lost more to butterfly labs than I did to pirateat40
kakobrekla: lmao.
mircea_popescu: Azelphur i'm talkin' about the lot o yuz, but hey. in another year tops it'll be more like good around-the-fire stories
Azelphur: haha, I still tell it like a good around the fire story
Azelphur: between BFL and Pirate, 650 BTC down the drain
mircea_popescu: so you saved like thirty or so openbsds.
mircea_popescu: good for you.
dub: did you forget the other great paradigm of the gen-e(ntitled)? Its not crime if I'm on prozac
mircea_popescu: dub poor stormy.
Azelphur: on the bright side, I'm sitting on ~110 BTC in coin and one massive investment :p
dub: or the MNW defence
Azelphur: baring in mind I started off broke and in my parents attic, I can't complain.
kakobrekla: you want a fire story?
kakobrekla: i drive 500 btc car.
mircea_popescu: Azelphur baring is what chicks do to their tits.
Azelphur: kakobrekla: nice, I can't beat that, although I do have a 5 BTC doorbell.
mircea_popescu: bearing is what you to to said chicks once you start supporting their body weight.
mircea_popescu: "nude grammar with mp", i should publish that.
Duffer1: kakobrekla 1990s honda civic? :P
kakobrekla: a tad newer.
Duffer1: 2001 honda civic?
Azelphur: from back when I was trading I have some hilarious stuff from customers
Azelphur: like a ~35BTC Shaving kit
Duffer1: oo DE only way to shave
kakobrekla: lol whats with the honda
alystair: desert eagle?
Duffer1: dual edge :P
Duffer1: r/wicked_edge
alystair: my razerblade has 4 edges
alystair: used at he same time.
Duffer1: probably the most valuable reddit ever
mircea_popescu: real men wear beards
Duffer1: and the neck?
kakobrekla: yes, they have one.
Duffer1: i'm curious which car you got for 500 kako
pankkake: I hope it was a Fiat!
kakobrekla: Duffer1 vw golf
Duffer1: oh you euros and your tiny ass cars wtf
kakobrekla: german qualitat
Duffer1: more like VW golf cart
mircea_popescu: o that was good
assbot: Last 20 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1563392/plain/)
kakobrekla: !b 20
kakobrekla: shit happens.
mircea_popescu: it's two cycle right ?
mircea_popescu: i hear vw got its start in business by making window wiper engines for cadillac
mircea_popescu: is this true ?
mircea_popescu: apparently reddit has decided mpex fee is now 50 btc ? shouldn't i at least be notified ?!
dub: make it 100
kakobrekla: hey dunno, im the dumb one here apparently.
asciilifeform: MAX_INT
kakobrekla: MININUM
dub: must be dumb, you couldnt pay me 500btc to take a vw golf
kakobrekla: yes, we established taht already
dub: yes we did
kakobrekla: you have to step over me now?
kakobrekla: should i be making squeeking noise?
Azelphur: mircea_popescu: I'm curious, what do you think about all this chatter of $10k by the end of the year? XD
dub: no, when it breaks down you can blow me though
mircea_popescu: Azelphur well there's a bet
Duffer1: actually some of those golfs look pretty sharp
Azelphur: with facebook and others jumping on board, I think it could happen o.O
kakobrekla: see the thing is, its cheaper to fix golf here than your mazda
mircea_popescu: "Why would a stock want to list on mpex for 30btc vs another exchange for much less?"
mircea_popescu: such epic inquiries.
mircea_popescu: like... you know, they could list on the nyse
asciilifeform: 'why buy ice cream? i can get liquid shit for much less'
kakobrekla: any anyway, golf is like a tank, it doesnt like to break
asciilifeform: 'and freeze in my freezer'
Azelphur: mircea_popescu: btw, do you have to pay 30 BTC to list on top of the registration fee? or is it just the registration fee
mircea_popescu: i hear it's "buy niderauer an eggplant calzone these days,
mircea_popescu: and you're all set.
pankkake: I hear the NYSE is accepting scams
dub: asciilifeform: alaskan pipeline?
mircea_popescu: Azelphur well you gotta have an account to list is all.
Azelphur: cool
dub: ;;ud alaskan pipeline
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=alaskan%20pipeline | n: the act of pooping in to a condom, freezing the rubber overnight, then inserting it in to ones anus. Invented at the University of Iowa by Brian...
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: alaskan pipeline
mircea_popescu: for all i care, you can go through a specialist investment banker.
mircea_popescu: not that any exist
mircea_popescu: but if legitimate stuff came along that legitimately couldn't afford it, im sure the service would pop.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27600 @ 0.00099714 = 27.5211 BTC [+] {3}
benkay: will eventually happen
copumpkin: has MPOE hit 0.001 yet?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.62 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: not yet.
copumpkin: err, I think you have a bug
copumpkin: on the mpex depth table
copumpkin: 18`446`744`073`709`502`4640.00099085
copumpkin: mircea_popescu: ^ :)
copumpkin: (happens to be awfully close to 2^64)
mircea_popescu: proxies being hammeredf to all shit
copumpkin: if I were to guess, someone convinced mpex to go negative on an unsigned 64-bit integer
Apocalyptic: that integer overflow
Duffer1: ddos?
pankkake: fake volume bot bug
Duffer1: hehe
copumpkin: seems like a good time to get a good sell :
Apocalyptic: too bad that wasn't a marker order
pankkake: I don't get this proxy thing, is there no central authority in mpex trading?
Apocalyptic: pankkake, must be
mircea_popescu: pankkake there is.
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic not really, what happens is that a whole shitload of 1s get tacked on to the actual order
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12220 @ 0.00099085 = 12.1082 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: so it ends up desplayed as gazilionty-whateveritwas
copumpkin: is that someone taking advantage of it just now?
mircea_popescu: copumpkin actual order was for like 15k
pankkake: so there are orders that shouldn't be there? how?!
copumpkin: was it malicious or a legit bug?
mircea_popescu: in some circumstances a certain proxy may end up misstating an order in that way.
mircea_popescu: it has to do with what happens once it loses connection but doesn't yet know it has.
mircea_popescu: fixing this has proven itself the most challenging one thing in the history of the exchange so far.
pankkake: that's the thing, I can't wrap my head about how it is designed :)
mircea_popescu: but anyway, heavy load favours it because it strains connections and so disconnects become more likely
pankkake: what about using GUIDs?
mircea_popescu: to do what with them ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9184 @ 0.00099083 = 9.0998 BTC [-] {2}
pankkake: you submit an order with a GUID so you don't end up with duplicates
pankkake: but that accounts for my idea how how things work
mircea_popescu: what duplicates tho ?
pankkake: I thought it was the same order multiple times
mircea_popescu: nah, the order is say buy 5 at 15. the engine says so, the proxy ends up with the idea the order is 99999995 at 15.
pankkake: lol, but why :|
mircea_popescu: because complicated.
copumpkin: because your face
mircea_popescu: because it hates me
pankkake: because two cans and a string!
mircea_popescu: because wet noodle.
pankkake: this is a forum dedicated to ponzi scams?!
pankkake: what in the fuck
ozbot: High Frequency Trading with BitCoin
asciilifeform: there are fora dedicated to spamming.
pankkake: but not forums dedicated to being spammed
benkay: i don't even
benkay: Cryptory System offers our customers the ability to profitably dispose of their capital
benkay: hey let me help with that
benkay: i know some great ways to dispose of capital
Duffer1: omg the audio
Duffer1: i'm getting dizzy
mircea_popescu: pankkake sure there are.
pankkake: don't loophole what I meant
pankkake: I wonder if that video is some sort of template
pankkake: http://videojac.com/ yup, those services exist. videojaculation
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pankkake: oh my god there are so many
asciilifeform: when do we get 'Cryptorium' ?
asciilifeform: monks sit chained to desks hashing
mircea_popescu: pankkake you likely don't understand the drive of people from novosibirsk to mogadishu to be businessmen.
mircea_popescu: for every dorky white kid idly discussing "sexism in IT" there are at least a hundred olive kids willing to eat their own right arm to be in it.
asciilifeform: now if you could actually achieve something by eating right arm...
benkay: for every dorky white kid discussing sexism in it there's 1/10th of a white kid working harder smarter and faster to actually do something
mircea_popescu: if thaty.
mircea_popescu: it's easy, when surrounded mostly by other fat lazy westerners that have long forgotten how to even passibly pretend like they're trying
mircea_popescu: what trying really looks like.
Duffer1: where my welfare at
mircea_popescu: to forget what*
pankkake: funny thing is, I probably did more against sexism in IT than these pretend sexism figthers
pankkake: I worked with women and didn't give them any special treatment
mircea_popescu: i once made a woman a sandwich.
pankkake: but if you make her a sandwich
Duffer1: hahaha
mircea_popescu: also, some of my best friends are women.
pankkake: how will she know how to make sandwiches?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.02538 = 0.1269 BTC [-] {2}
jayk: women make great friends until they get jealous.
pankkake: men get jealous too
mircea_popescu: yes, and it's worse. at least women you can get both in bet and it'll melt the j's.
mircea_popescu: s/bet/bed
Azelphur: am I the only person around here who doesn't have women problems? XD
kakobrekla: professional deformation mp?
dub: -assets be havin girl problems Azelphur feel bad for us son, he had pirate problems but a bitch aint one
Azelphur: indeed
mircea_popescu: wait, azelphur got a gf nao ?
mircea_popescu: bitcoins can work miracles!
Azelphur: mircea_popescu: indeed \o/
Azelphur: mircea_popescu: not only that, programmer with a degree and various other supersmart things.
Azelphur: #winning
kakobrekla: can she bake?
dub: my girl got 3 degrees but can't make a sandwich
Azelphur: she can, she bakes cookies :o
mircea_popescu: dub safe to say she's not got any degree of sandwich then ?
dub: well shes got me and I sandwich like a boss
mircea_popescu: you probably got shit bread where you live
mircea_popescu: so you can't sandwichboss
asciilifeform: marry a chemist, those can cook.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform food dood. not meth.
Azelphur: asciilifeform: girlfriend is a chemist, can confirm
mircea_popescu: tell her irc says she's only after your moneyz.
Azelphur: haha
Azelphur: made no mention of my money before I knew her for a month
kakobrekla: did you fuck her in the ass before that?
kakobrekla: sorry for asking late, had to get some food when i saw shit bread
mircea_popescu: kako's lucky diet.
dub: taking macro to the next level
dub: herd you like to shit so I put some shit in your food so you can shit shit while you shit
jayk: :o
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.04999998 = 0.3 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 43 @ 0.00279 = 0.12 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.62 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 37 @ 0.00611371 = 0.2262 BTC [+] {2}
ozbot: 1789546951.05324 | Next Diff in 470 blocks | Estimated Change: 19.9111% in 2d 14h 43m 9s
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10250 @ 0.00099768 = 10.2262 BTC [+]
copumpkin: someone had better push MPOE over 0.001
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 15024 @ 0.00009002 = 1.3525 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74300 @ 0.00099333 = 73.8044 BTC [-] {2}
copumpkin: big sale!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32750 @ 0.00099121 = 32.4621 BTC [-] {2}
dub: silly china
dub: these big huawei packetmanglers have a timer to tell you when to check air filters then reset it with 'reset dustproof'
dub: alarm reads 'The air filter is failed, Maybe it is not cleaned as scheduled. '
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.64799969 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 29 @ 0.02569999 = 0.7453 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.04999998 = 0.25 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.648 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: "I suppose you're right. It's not a scam as such, because it's all out in the open and delivers exactly what it promises."
mircea_popescu: not a scam AS SUCH.
Duffer1: i see that forum in a whole different way now
mircea_popescu: dentist = scam. not a scam AS SUCH, in the sense that it does fix your money but a) you have to make appointments and they charge if you cancel them without notice and b) it costs money.
mircea_popescu: voodoo specialist = doctor aaaaa++++ would use again.
mircea_popescu: not in the sense that he fixes your teeth, but very good service.
deadweasel: a very good service indeed
mircea_popescu: im curious how'll the world look once the small govt people get their way and all those guys get to make actual decisions for themselves and have to live with the results.
mircea_popescu: probably a lot of performance art in unexpected places.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17200 @ 0.00099069 = 17.0399 BTC [-] {2}
deadweasel: irc, for example
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 54 @ 0.04999998 = 2.7 BTC [+]
Duffer1: meh i wouldn't trust small govt politicians to have a clue any more than big govt politicians
Duffer1: what they tell you they want to do is always different than what they a) try to deliver b) are capable of delivering
Duffer1: except the american tea party, they're pretty straight up about their incompetence
benkay: well except that small government in this scenario is more like "dude who has wrassled himself up control of the local area and isn't carrying goldbrickers"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.64799969 = 1.296 BTC [-]
dub: ;;ud goldbrickers
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=goldbricker | Someone who cheats at completing a task, duty, or job. To cheat; swindle.
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: goldbricker
dub: internet == such learning
vial: when i die, please eat me.
the20year2: Any of you invested in mintspare?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 400 @ 0.000878 = 0.3512 BTC [+]
Namworld: What the fuck is mintspare?
Duffer1: dear god i hope not
mircea_popescu: Duffer1 the idea was more that letting people out of the straightjacket will result in a lot of idiots impaled on telegraph poles
the20year2: cell phone turn-in for bitcoins
the20year2: i'm just trying to find someone who is and ask why
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11650 @ 0.00099429 = 11.5835 BTC [+]
Duffer1: why seek advice from idiots?
the20year2: i'm curious of their logic
asciilifeform: 'cell phone turn-in' ? is this like the 'turn-ins' american police stations have for firearms?
Duffer1: ohh
asciilifeform: 'don't trust your heirs with your dangerous phone? turn it in for a penny'
Duffer1: nah they'll buy your old gear, fix it/whipe it, sell it
Duffer1: all you have to do is pay them 100% of your btc and if you're lucky, and everything goes well, and they succeed, you'll get 20% back
dub: how much for my StarTAC
mircea_popescu: How To Invest
mircea_popescu: Send BTC To This Address: 1NMgBp346DpMNR86ktuDWmtMruqXT4qVmM
mircea_popescu: sounds legit.
the20year2: it gives me hope for our 2nd round of funding via HL, seeing as how successful SFI has been, and to a lesser extent MS, but i'm curious if the bigger money will follow us
dub: so usually, you pay people to take away old tech gear
the20year2: Their services pays you to trade it in, they have some sort of resell contract
Duffer1: 14 btc to that address. incredible
the20year2: At a local mall, they have this machine you stick old cell phones in, and it gives you cash for them
dub: Their service is bullshit then
mircea_popescu: dub was that the first phone to open up ?
dub: may have been the first clamshell yeah
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14300 @ 0.00099052 = 14.1644 BTC [-] {2}
the20year2: Personally, my opinion is that it's a low intelligence service
asciilifeform: how much for my ТАН-5?
Duffer1: i don't believe it was the first, but it was certainly the most popular
the20year2: Sure, plenty of people utilize those services, but they're not the bitcoin crowd, which in my opinion is a bit more intelligent
mircea_popescu: retarded fucking idea, clamshell.
mircea_popescu: "let's make phones more like make-up sets"
dub: they were pretty cool, smaller than several phones I had after that
the20year2: how about one of t hose old soviet radio to telephone rigs, the car based ones from the 50s
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that may be a coupla bucks if you find the right ny decorator
asciilifeform: s not just the bakelite
asciilifeform: phone should rrrrring damn it not make bleating noises.
mircea_popescu: http://www.latrecut.ro/ << romanian site dedicated to old romanian commie shit.
mircea_popescu: apparently everyone has these
mircea_popescu: "what was before, the egg or the chicken ? before there was plenty." lol
asciilifeform: commodore-64 tape drive? not very commie, that
the20year2: I really wish i could get a few connex boxes of old 60s-70s crap from Romania and export it here
the20year2: When teh USSR fell , all sorts of military surplus places popped up selling extraordinarily fun stuff here. If you could do that with old miltiary gear (Boots, clothes, tents, ponchos, ect) you could make a killin
Duffer1: i have yet to meet an american that doesn't enjoy a good army surplus store
asciilifeform: most popular old-regime romanian item here in the u.s. is: their kalashnikov clone.
mircea_popescu: twasn't a clone
the20year2: Yeah, and they're extraordinarily hard to get as of last year, the prices quadroupled
mircea_popescu: they stole the original designs.
asciilifeform: who didn't. there is even at least one american copy.
the20year2: Eh , the USSR from my understanding helped them set up the fabrication process, even if kalashnikov wasn't happy
the20year2: There are 4-5 places in the US now producing AKs
the20year2: Airtronics is the government provider that has just about cloned the russian AK process to make clandestine guns
asciilifeform: in u.s. there is an ancient law regarding firearms being required to have X locally-made parts
the20year2: Yeah, R922 :(
asciilifeform: so they cut things off and re-fit them
the20year2: Depends, some of them they just send over missing parts then add the US compliance parts
mircea_popescu: pre-1872 protectionism or what ?
the20year2: *Some* of the US parts are fantastic
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 98 @ 0.00613864 = 0.6016 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: my understanding is that if it weren't for this, the last american machine shop would go broke.
the20year2: I don't know, US machine shops are now able to produce the AR15/M16 at some extraordinarily low prices, even cheaper than Norinco in China can produce their own clones
asciilifeform: i imagine most of the operating cost of such a shop is bureaucracy-based, rather than actual work
the20year2: Correct
asciilifeform: forms in triplicate, etc.
the20year2: We're almost done with our process for litecoin rigs, and our cost is going to be fantastic
the20year2: We took a bid from another machine shop, at 5-6 times higher than what we can do it in-house for
asciilifeform: why does a litecoin-anything need to be machined?
Duffer1: is that from benny?
asciilifeform: or is this an M16 and ltc miner combo
blg: a gun that mines litecoin?
the20year2: He's actually not touching the fab process, for the most part I am in charge of it
the20year2: asciilifeform: it's going to be a rig sort of like openrig, but our own desig
the20year2: *design
asciilifeform: openrig?
the20year2: Openrig, for GPU miners
Duffer1: should see if you can get him to poke Deprived out of hiding
the20year2: it's an aluminum frame for people who want to easily mount multiple GPUs on a system
asciilifeform: but anyone can go to hardware store and buy aluminum window frames. i did this myself not long ago
asciilifeform: (nothing to do with mining)
asciilifeform: a saw, a spot welder...
Duffer1: for a one stop scrypt mining shop though it's a good "shelf item"
Duffer1: like powered risers
the20year2: But if there's demand, and he has the contacts to sell, he might as well do it
dub: I'd suggest most gpu miners are too stupid to do a sawing motion
asciilifeform: enlighten me (a savage) - is this really a seriously lucrative affair?
the20year2: The powered risers he has now are the only ones on the market with their features. He has a guy now in shenzen going to factories to review products
the20year2: benny's company?
dub: thats like back and then forth and back again, then forth again, how to remember all these steps
asciilifeform: my understanding was that ltc is mined primarily via botnet at this point.
the20year2: not anymore
the20year2: It was when it was profitable, now quark is big for botnets. There's too many GPUs out there displacing CPU miners
asciilifeform: gpu botnet
the20year2: I'm not aware of any good gpu botnets out there
the20year2: At least of substantial size
the20year2: According to benny, he personally knows 2 or 3 guys that have their own farms that are in excess of 1GH
asciilifeform: i can't say that i've collected every known sample, but virtually all crap artists are using some variant of gpu-capable miner
Duffer1: isn't the buy-a-hash farm itself quite sizable?
asciilifeform: usually with very minimal modification
the20year2: Not enough, he's been dealing with rolling out more systems.
the20year2: The big thing is the fact that he's gonna be getting ASICs soon for the farm
the20year2: So his scalability is going to go crazy soon
Duffer1: well that assumes alpha-tec is legit
the20year2: he's not dealing with alpha-tec
Duffer1: oh?
the20year2: From what he's seen, alpha-tec is almost a guaranteed scam
Duffer1: oh asic i thought you meant scrypt 'asic'
the20year2: and he thinks he can get his own asic to market a month ahead of them
Duffer1: interesting
asciilifeform: i still don't understand why a fellow with an scrypt asic would bother to tell anyone about it.
asciilifeform: much less give it to another
the20year2: He's already had 2 or 3 of his own runs of sha-256 asics, and from what he can tell, the scrypt process isn't significantly different
Duffer1: i didn't even know he was developing either
asciilifeform: 1GH for, say, litecoin is... 2% of the current total net hash?
Duffer1: are you brothers or roomates?
asciilifeform: build 25 of them and keep in your basement.
asciilifeform: ('51' attack is exercise for alert reader)
the20year2: he isn't personally, but his contacts have some insane stuff on the horizon. And he has enough money to throw around to fund some good stuff
the20year2: he's under NDA on the details of most of the sha-256/scrypt stuff, but it's enough to scare just about every miner
Duffer1: isee
Duffer1: every gpu miner ya
the20year2: not just the gpu guys, but the sha-256 stuff that's gonna be released in q2 and q3
dub: TIL learned gpu mining was still profitable?
asciilifeform: even cpu mining is profitable if you're a spammer
the20year2: He's very profitable, will be even more so if he goes to industrial electricity
dub: for some shitcoin or another, praps I should turn some shit back on
the20year2: he's mining doges right now
the20year2: or he was as of 5pm when I left
asciilifeform: would be interesting if the main use of spiffy miner collections becomes: destruction of altcoins
asciilifeform: zap one, move on to the next
the20year2: that can be done
the20year2: I remember when freicoin got fried
the20year2: they had to pay someone to come in and fix it :D
dub: likely good money to be made selling the capability to Luke-Jr
asciilifeform: if it can, stands to reason it will
Duffer1: hehe
asciilifeform: and how do you 'fix' a 51%'d chain?
asciilifeform: other than by giving up in disgust
the20year2: depends if there were successful double-spends
the20year2: the big attack that worked so well was increasing the difficulty by an immense amount, then dropping the hash rate
the20year2: IE from say 10k difficulty to 1m difficulty, when there are only enough miners to support the 10k
mircea_popescu: dub pretty much the only people that'd care'd be the nucleus of original shills.
mircea_popescu: and as these things are run, usually they got no actual cash.
asciilifeform: 'nice altchain you got there. i'd be a shame if it were to have problems.'
mircea_popescu: you';d make more hussling teenagers for lunch money.
the20year2: it isn't profitable
the20year2: just good for personal vandettas
mircea_popescu: the20year2 weren't you into real estate ?
dub: that'd be the thing, selling altchain protection
mircea_popescu: dubthedon
dub: tards would probably buy it too
asciilifeform: you could try selling the secret of what days the doomsday machine will be turned on/off.
the20year2: I am, yes mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sounding more and more like eve online.
the20year2: need a house?
mircea_popescu: no, i was just trying to reconcile all the ltc talk
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you did bring up idiots being released from their straight jackets. so the next question is, what sharp tools to give them
dub: in ohio? nothx
the20year2: What's wrong with Ohio?
dub: whats right with ohio
dub: 1. its in america
dub: nuff said
the20year2: Decreasing unemployment, increasing property prices, relatively stable pricing over the past 20 years even when you include the bubble, relatively low vacancy
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell bingoboingo http://nextshark.com/10-crazy-things-you-can-now-use-bitcoins-for/ check out kiddos discovering boobs in 2014.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: 2. it's a little hard to move it to a reasonable place
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mircea_popescu: i dunno why people hate ohio, it's like the ukraine of the us.
mircea_popescu: pretty much hottest chicks source.
dub: also potatos
mircea_popescu: no, that's idaho.
the20year2: $35,000 house producing $700+/mo in rent isn't bad in my eyes
dub: jesus really?
dub: 35k for a place you can live in
mircea_popescu: wisconsin cheez, idaho potatoes and ohio tuna.
copumpkin: dub: get a nice house in detroit
copumpkin: for way less (if you pay back taxes and such)
dub: I should sell my house and buy 30 in 'murica
mircea_popescu: copumpkin better yet, start a low rent boarding house in detroit.
copumpkin: good idea!
copumpkin: man, I'm gonna get rich
the20year2: Yeah, $35k that's livable
dub: 35k doesnt buy a carpark in my city
dub: (srsly)
mircea_popescu: dub so move to a better city.
the20year2: The first property we bought was for $26k, 2,000sf, 5bed 2 bath
dub: it is the best city tho
the20year2: Manchester?
dub: lolwat
the20year2: that's what your info is showing
dub: have you been to manchester?
dub: its a shithole
the20year2: haven't been outside the US
vial: ich möchte shieße! ich möchte ein eisbär sein!
mircea_popescu: manchester is one of the few places in the world to have been a shithole its entire history
mircea_popescu: from textile onwards, not even la managed this one.
vial: yep
vial: the beatles were shat out there
vial: brixton boys reformatory
mod6: they were from liverpool, or is that the same area?
vial: they'll stick a bit of metal in your arse
dub: the20year2: thats the server im (randomly) connected to
dub: l2irc
mircea_popescu: mod6 notrly, esp if you ask the locals.
vial: i'd love to stab a knife in one of them and fuck the opening it leaves.. stab them right in the kidney and cum in the wound
vial: like a real bloody twinkie
the20year2: hostle much?
vial: i do yes
dub: one of the beatles?
vial: i like the south american hostels
vial: why are we talking about the beatles? aren't they dead now?
dub: you'd be doing mccartney a favor
ozbot: The Beatles - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
mod6: ^^ says they were from liverpool & formed in liverpool
dub: he's getting fuck by his ex in a similar fashion
the20year2: i still can't stand them
the20year2: (For the most part)
dub: fucked*
mod6: Ringo & Paul are still alive.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 6000 @ 0.00009001 = 0.5401 BTC [-] {3}
asciilifeform: the rent for my 20m^2 consulting rathole near dc would buy a 4-story office building in baltimore.
ozbot: Cloudhashing ASIC mining contracts, UK LTD company - Now Mining & Paying Bitcoin
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21600 @ 0.00099188 = 21.4246 BTC [+] {3}
the20year2: in bmore?
the20year2: they pay you to buy a house in bmore
mod6: anyway, yeah, heard liverpool was a dump tho
mircea_popescu: so basically what's this cloudhash thing, "give us btc upfront, get hash over time" ?
dub: liverpool is a dump
foucist: the20year2: hey, you're in here!
dub: safe to say, england is a dump
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 12951 @ 0.00008915 = 1.1546 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: pretty much what england itself thinks, at this point.
dub: they would say, and tend never to stop saying inmy experience, that its a dumping ground for islam
Duffer1: peta mine is worse, it's like a pmb + cloud hash solution that gets "invostocustomers" the worse part of both
mircea_popescu: "The University of Cumbria in northwest England has become the first public university in the world to experiment with accepting bitcoin as tuition payment. It follows a similar move made by a private university in Cyprus at the end of last year."
mircea_popescu: this "first in the world" thing has come to its ultimate conclusion.
mircea_popescu: a boy and a girl somewhere are about to kiss, for the first time in the history of the world.
mircea_popescu: this follows in the mouthsteps of literally everyone before them up to this point.
vial: i have my 666 shirt on
Duffer1: grats
mircea_popescu: so china is pretty much gonna blow first.
the20year2: foucist: yes?
mircea_popescu: this entire "is it eu or us" thing dragged on for too long
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8089 @ 0.00099624 = 8.0586 BTC [+] {2}
Duffer1: blow?
mod6: some guy topticked the s&p @ 1929 lol. but yea, cn looks like its gonna blow its top
dub: I think I've been saying that a while now mp
mircea_popescu: their cds over 100 points again, after just having had a massive liquidity drop
mircea_popescu: dub yeah
the20year2: you need to give me money foucist
the20year2: mircea_popescu: who's bonds went up 100 points?
mircea_popescu: chinese govt
the20year2: oh wow, didn't know that
the20year2: i didn't even realize they issued bonds
mircea_popescu: cds are default swaps
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24900 @ 0.00099768 = 24.8422 BTC [+] {2}
ozbot: China CDS 5-Yr - CNCD5
the20year2: mod6: what does the chart represent?
mircea_popescu: mod6 that's actually outdated. it closed 138 +16. which... you know, O.O
mod6: just some reading of tealeaves that was posted onto zh.
the20year2: So another ~14% increase?
mircea_popescu: might even lurch on open.
the20year2: From my limited understanding, the increase of bond rates to market rates would be the beginning of the end
mod6: mp: yeah. this was a few days back
the20year2: One of the reasons being a market finance of massive US debt, which would be completely unsustainable
mircea_popescu: cds are swaps not bonds.
mircea_popescu: chinese govt bonds don't even trade on the open mkt
the20year2: who trades them?
mod6: bots
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10750 @ 0.00099035 = 10.6463 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: lol bloomberg doesn't list it anymore ?! wtf is this
ozbot: Symbol Lookup - Bloomberg
the20year2: they removed it
mircea_popescu: anyway, pretty much the only reason it's not hyperbolic right now is that the chinese basically don't allow leverage in that market.
Uglux_: http://data.cnbc.com/quotes/CNCD5
ozbot: China CDS 5-Yr - CNCD5
Uglux_: woops
jayk: i don't follow foreign markets
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4850 @ 0.00099035 = 4.8032 BTC [-]
jayk: but i'm a little bit interested in BOLSA
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2950 @ 0.00098995 = 2.9204 BTC [-] {2}
mod6: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 281793 | Current Difficulty: 1.7895469510532405E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 282239 | Next Difficulty In: 446 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 14 hours, 57 minutes, and 52 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 2153167603.07 | Estimated Percent Change: 20.31915
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