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mircea_popescu: twizt write all your pws down, encrypt the file to your gpg key.
BingoBoingo: Thankfully the WoT doesn't depend on Nickserv's security
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.324 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17350 @ 0.00090847 = 15.762 BTC [-] {2}
twizt: whats "n_unredeemed":2, on blockchain?
twizt: is that unconfirmed bal?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Thanks. I'm still contemplating other elements of dated 90's web aesthetics I could incorporate without succumbing to animated Gifs.
kakobrekla: do you have a visitor counter?
Duffer1: do you even frames bro?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.316 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: Nice, ideas!
Duffer1: mouse trail?
pankkake: needs "under construction" image
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.317 BTC [+]
pankkake: oh god I forgot about mouse trails
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.003151 = 0.3151 BTC [+] {9}
ohider: if bitcoin tip works on reddit would that system work on a website that students can post their work?
Duffer1: for a homework buying website?
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 70 @ 0.00319984 = 0.224 BTC [+] {2}
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ohider: a legitimate way of getting paid for the work that you do in class
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.319 BTC [-]
truffles: college athletes dont get proper compensation, heh
ohider: if people want to steal ideas and resubmit theres no stopping that but if students can have a way of getting paid the motivation of doing school work is changed
ohider: and also use bitcoin to pay student athletes
pankkake: but you expect people to "tip" for homework? I don't see the relation to reddit
ohider: my website is boco.bit
Duffer1: using bitcoin would be a good way to get caught
Duffer1: wouldn't you want something without a public ledger if you don't want to worry about getting expelled?
pankkake: boco.bit has address 10.0.0.7
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.318 BTC [-]
ozbot: 2012 Harvard cheating scandal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
pankkake: cheating is so "normal" in education… it's just stupid
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.318 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: I dunno Bitcoin might be a great way to get around NCAA prohibitions on paying college athletes if it is done right.
ohider: shit ok i need to do some more work
ohider: ya thats my idea
ohider: buy bit coins through localbitcoin.com all across the country and use those to pay your atheletes
ohider: the costs would be plane flights and use to buy bitcoin
ohider: USD*
truffles: flights to?
ohider: if you are buying bitcoin with cash its best to do it all over the country so no one remembers you so you would need to travel some
BingoBoingo: ohider: Nah, it is fine if people remember you buying. It might also be helpful with that little trust business...
truffles: y wouldnt they remember u?
ohider: if you are buying large amounts of bitcoin, the seller will remember you
Duffer1: you would need an enormous amount of bitcoins to pay college athletes what they bring in for their states annually
ohider: exactly
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20850 @ 0.00090868 = 18.946 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: Duffer1: That much is probably unreasonable, but Bitcoin could be away for school's boosters to continue continuting to athletes as they have always done, and probably in richer amounts.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: next maybe you will suggest bitcoin as a way to pay beggars?
asciilifeform: these people barely have enough brains to use fiat...
ohider: fuck why not there an article about a homeless guy who has a tablet and a solar panel that lives off bitcoin
truffles: lol!
ozbot: Homeless, Unemployed, and Surviving on Bitcoins | Wired Enterprise | Wired.com
Duffer1: did you read that article?
pankkake: didn't read the article but sounds like the usual hype
Duffer1: pure horseshit is another word for it
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Nah. School boosters generally have a motivation for paying student athletes in that the more homework the athlete can afford the moar handegg they can practice and hopefully the more the team wins. What the athlete in this scheme would probably end with is not the Bitcoins, but some other value for which Bitcoins provide a measure of plausible deniability.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 51 @ 0.00200411 = 0.1022 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.317 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.317 = 3.17 BTC [-]
ohider: i goat ask who's long on name coin?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.317 = 1.268 BTC [-]
ohider: what is more valuable, 1 unit of name coin or a name coin url
Duffer1: i goat or i gotta?
ohider: gotta fuckin auto correct
Duffer1: i like namecoin, i'd have a very small position if things were different
Duffer1: that's actually saying a lot since imo most alts are shit
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 51 @ 0.0491 = 2.5041 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2600 @ 0.00091144 = 2.3697 BTC [+]
ohider: Duffer1 why is that article about homeless dude horseshit?
ohider: whats the motivation of media covering that story?
Duffer1: 650+ a day clicking 12 videos that pay .00000001 per click
Duffer1: does not compute
ohider: the second one about the guy w/ solar panel and tablet
Duffer1: oh dunno didn't read, is he surviving on coins he already had or is he magically earning something from nothing like the wired article?
ohider: dude is a dev and homeless by choice. A "Into the Wild" type dude
ohider: but he is homeless and can't get a bank account
ohider: so he does bitcoin
mircea_popescu: Duffer1 it was bs when it first came out, it still is.
truffles: cant raise a family homeless..
truffles: one can but why would u!
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ohider: who is long on litecoin being that scrypt asic is coming down the line
ohider: will asic do to litecoin what it did to bitcoin ?
ohider: I hear this shit about bitcoin needs litecoin like gold needs silver. Is the next investment a coin that is impervious to asic?
mircea_popescu: it may well wreck it
mircea_popescu: seeing how possibly the onl;y thing keeping ltc alive is the insistent dedication of people who wish to mine but can't afford asics
mircea_popescu: going from the fringe fave to the mainstream clone is a move few survive
asciilifeform: juicy meat in the sun. flies arrive eventually. end of story...
ohider: is the game up when this is solved?
ozbot: P versus NP problem - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Duffer1: "if one is provided with information showing what the answer is, it may be possible to"
Duffer1: i thought i might be going somewhere with that but i care so little i'm having trouble even fini
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12250 @ 0.0009083 = 11.1267 BTC [-]
pankkake: litecoin would need asics to survive, but it will not please litecoiners
ohider: doesn't asic allow people who have huge amounts of capital to make waves in the bitcoin environment
pankkake: what does that mean?
ohider: asic costs a lot but you get a lot of bang for your buck
asciilifeform: re: ltc/asics: 'you can run but you can't hide.'
Duffer1: the only ones making money on asics are the manufacturers
ohider: if GE wants to kill bitcoin they could just buy a shit ton of asic technology and dominate it
pankkake: gpus cost a lot too… (except of course that most litecoiners are 15 year olds who don't pay for gpus and electritiy)
pankkake: if you want to "dominate" litecoin just rent botnets or supercomputers for a day
Duffer1: it would take the efforts of a major nation to attempt such an attack on bitcoin
pankkake: asics just make attacks costlier
Duffer1: it might even already be to late for them to produce something capable of it
pankkake: well, with asics closer to industry standards, yes
ohider: all you need to kill bitcoin is to create distrust in the people who believe in it
ohider: the dreaded 51% attack would be one way of doing that
ohider: how much would that cost
Duffer1: does not compute
ohider: 100 million
ohider: 200 million
ohider: if bitcoin threatens fiat wouldn't that be a small price to pay to kill it
pankkake: they would have to kill it early - if they take interest when it's actually challenging, it's going to be much harder
Duffer1: that assumes any of the other 189 nations wouldn't work in proportional measure to protect it, let alone the x amount of bitcoiners who already have billions in it not acting to protect themselves
Duffer1: ^ @ ohider
Duffer1: there's a relevant trilema article on this somewhere
pankkake: why would a state chose to use/protect bitcoin? (real question)
Duffer1: to spite a rival nation / state that wants to kill it
ohider: if its bullet proof its a way to get off the USD
pankkake: though I could see it. like kings who made their countries democracies to avoid being overthrown
Duffer1: if the US tried to kill bitcoin, i'd bitbet china would work to protect it
Duffer1: jsut because, fuck you
Duffer1: seriously
Duffer1: oh i didn't say it was bulletproof
pankkake: i don't really believe in those politics. it has to make sense economically
Duffer1: it's manmade, so there's that against it already
Duffer1: ok maybe not china, but maybe putin wouldn't pass up such an opportunity to spit in the US' eye
ohider: @ pankkake where does that figure come from in that coinmetrics
pankkake: they explain it on the website
Duffer1: i like how the natural cost of mining equipment for bitcoin is included in the "Defense Spending" catagory
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pankkake: and they seem to use multisig transactions too
ohider: sweet
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.00091144 = 4.7395 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12150 @ 0.0009083 = 11.0358 BTC [-]
ohider: I'm trying to convince my roommate to get into bitcoin
ohider: he doesn't want to but i know there's a breaking poit
ohider: point*
ohider: whats the best argument to go about this
Duffer1: it's the only shot your generation has at any wealth
Duffer1: take it or don't
ohider: less idealistic
Duffer1: ground investment in a platform and method of value transfer that has never existed before
Duffer1: ground floor investment*
pankkake: why do you want to convince him?
ohider: for xmas i gave 0.15 btc to everyone in my familye
Duffer1: good man
ohider: I'm long on bitcoin
pankkake: what were the reactions?
ohider: so if it gets accepted and the price goes up, i make money
ohider: my brother thinks I'm a crazy man
ohider: my dad seconds that
pankkake: the thing is, if you tell people to buy bitcoins, and they lose money… oops
ohider: my little brother has no idea what it is
ohider: but my mom thinks its the tits
Duffer1: it's a modern experiment their investment is directly funding science
ohider: the best thing about it is now everyone has bitcoin
ohider: if they want to cash it out
ohider: they have to figure out how to
Duffer1: and disrupting economic / social theory
ohider: so in a way they educate themselves about bitcoin
Duffer1: i'm kinda nearing the end of my list here, does your family support relatives overseas or own a business that accepts visa/mastercard/paypal?
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ohider: thats a negative ghost rider
Duffer1: ah so a rant on tx fees wouldn't sway them.. hmm
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ohider: whats tx fees
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 13 @ 0.32738461 = 4.256 BTC [+] {3}
Duffer1: transaction fees
ohider: ah
Duffer1: bitcoin payments bypass usurious paypal/mastercard/visa/western union processing fees etc
Duffer1: so if they had a business and could get their customers to pay then in btc, they'd save a ton of money
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.04999999 = 0.5 BTC [+] {2}
Duffer1: what arguments have you tried?
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.05 = 0.15 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.326 = 0.978 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.05 = 0.3 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3142 @ 0.00090741 = 2.8511 BTC [-]
ohider: roomate won't accept it
ohider: he refuses on the basis that he just doesn't want it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1297 @ 0.00090741 = 1.1769 BTC [-]
Duffer1: he may be right not to
ohider: my argument is that there is nothing to lose
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Duffer1: oh wait you're trying to give him .1 and he doesn't want it?
ohider: i want to propagate bitcoin and am willing to send him 0.01 btc
ohider: se la ve
pankkake: wait, he has nothing to lose?
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pankkake: of course he has
pankkake: unless it's free bitcoins well…
ohider: what is there to lose for getting a wallet and accepting free bitcoin
ohider: fuck it I'm in a giving mood first address i see gets 0.01 btc
Duffer1: 1JWUtyUEVauc2so2Pb2mF4XjsfcdvXYczB
mircea_popescu: <ohider> if GE wants to kill bitcoin they could just buy a shit ton of asic technology and dominate it << way too late for that.
ohider: boom
mircea_popescu: and who are you anyway ?
pankkake: I missed the "buy" part - if you want to 51% attack, you will never get enough by just buying
Duffer1: thank you that is very much appreciated ohider
ohider: my buddies website he needs some advertisement
mircea_popescu: so what's your website ?
ohider: boco.bit
ohider: i'm still at the developing stage though
ohider: need some help
Duffer1: i don't think i read exactly what it was you wanted to do with the site
ohider: students post their work along with a bitcoin address
Duffer1: essays and homework i'm assuming?
ohider: if its good people will donate
ohider: whatever they feel confident in
ohider: if people are willing to tip fellow redditors for three sentence posts, whats the value of a dynamite research paper
mircea_popescu: did you do your research to know what % of students can access .bit domains ?
ohider: namecoin is in its infancy
ohider: i bought 5 or 6 domain names
BingoBoingo: ohider: Namecoin is a 4 year old infant then...
mircea_popescu: no, you are in your infancy. namecoin has been in its infancy since at least 2011
ohider: what .bit site do you frequent
mircea_popescu: when i first bought some domains that i never bothered develop.
pankkake: I'm a fan of namecoin and I can't even access it
pankkake: oh, well, it really resolves to 10.0.0.7 - so there's nothing?
mircea_popescu: anyway, the research papers online model chiefly works on the basis of their vast database of already submitted papers which they own and don't pay the authors for [anymore]. unless you have 1000s of works of already stale material it'll be a tough nut to crack.
ohider: the idea of some company buying the domain name you squated on is a pipe dream
mircea_popescu: ohider they were my trademarks.
Duffer1: there's a trilema.bit?
Duffer1: brb
mircea_popescu: cause... why bother./
Duffer1: j/k
ohider: so my brother goes to a really good art school
ohider: what if students could put up there art work
Duffer1: deviantart + bitcointip
ohider: if you want to print a poster to put on your wall
ohider: what would you pay for that artwork
ohider: 0.001 btc?
ohider: 0.0001 btc?
mircea_popescu: how are you going to steal deviantart's fanbase ?
ohider: whats his site
Duffer1: deviantart
BingoBoingo: How are you going to compete with actual printed works from nubbins' who is already in the WOT?
Duffer1: does nubs screenprint everything? i thought he just did his own designs
mircea_popescu: presumably nubbins is only one person so he can get overloaded
BingoBoingo: I imagine eventually nubs could move to the sweatshop model
Duffer1: ohider i don't think there's a bitcoin tip function for deviantart, but if a website like deviantart started accepting bitcointip and it became popular, deviantart would just add it and you'd be s.o.l.
Duffer1: same with etsy
mircea_popescu: i thought etsy took btc
ohider: it may be idealist but i think that there is value in academic work
Duffer1: do they? it's been a while since i've been shopping
mircea_popescu: i dont think i ever shoip there but i recall some pretty nude young thing telling me she got some btc from selling her artwork
Duffer1: i think you're right, i just don't see how you'll be able to monetize
mircea_popescu: mebbe im confusing them
ohider: dude look at bitcoin tip on reddit
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mircea_popescu: yah, speaking of which, do you have global figures of the reddit tip thing ? what's monthly total ?
ohider: so i can get 0.001 btc for writing some shit on a blog
Duffer1: right but what i'm asking is how do you make your money? would you take a % of the tip?
Duffer1: i'm pretty sure reddittip doesn't do that
ohider: at first I'm not making money
ohider: i want my site to be exclusive to the university that i go to
ohider: it will be a site that only students can register accounts on but anyone can view/donate
ohider: i don't want to reinvent the wheel but it will be a craigslist/kickstart for anything college kids want
ohider: funding for a party
BingoBoingo: ohider: First I'd want to know what university... The wrong one could kill this whole thing at the start
ohider: funding for a school group or organization
ohider: funding for some killer architecture model you designed
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1200 @ 0.00090721 = 1.0887 BTC [+]
Duffer1: a bitcoin crowdsourcing site that's also a craigslist like marketplace for anything?
ohider: exactly
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ohider: but it can't be shady
ohider: it has to be on the furnace above board
Duffer1: if users are free to list whatever they went then you'll have to actively police the listings
ohider: surface*
ohider: say I'm a seller selling custom t shirts
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.32 = 0.64 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: ;;ident ohider
gribble: Nick 'ohider', with hostmask 'ohider!43be67b6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.190.103.182', is not identified.
ohider: i post my ad for these shirts and say hey, heres my bit message address i don't want to discuss financials over email or phone.
ohider: i might be selling t shirts or i might be selling contraband
ohider: on my side, the t shirt business is legit legal
ohider: so im not worried about what sellers are actually selling
ohider: just give them the means through bitcoin. bit message to do whatever they wabt
ohider: want*
Duffer1: with each of the platforms you're talking about using, you're adding another hurdle for joeshmo customer
Duffer1: .bit first bit message second
ohider: if joeshmo user wants to buy an 8ball
BingoBoingo: And all of these platforms for some tiny consumer use
ohider: they will figure it out
Duffer1: your target market just doesn't exist man
ohider: silk road
Duffer1: they'd have to 1 - know about and use bitcoin and special handling for .bit domains, 2 - will have to exist at your school exclusively, 3 - understand bitmessage communication, 4 - do drugs
Duffer1: silk road was just bitcoin and tor
Duffer1: and was worldwide
ohider: theres a feeling of being "in" when your privy to ways of getting illegal shit
ohider: im not loping for a huge consumer base
ohider: looking*
ohider: just those kids who are willing to do the work
mircea_popescu: how old are you ?
ohider: college aged
mircea_popescu: well, that feeling of being in has a way of turning into a reality of being in.
ohider: imagine if silk road was exclusive to a small community
Duffer1: it would be absurdly easy to shut the whole network down
ohider: but on top of exclusively buying illegal contraband it actually had a higher purpose
Duffer1: get everyone busted/expelled
mircea_popescu: for instance, the silkroad kid they caught by discovering that he came here going "hey guise, how would someone make like a bitcoin tor craigslist"
mircea_popescu: or at least so they said.
Duffer1: i think a bitcoin based localized community market is a great idea, maybe not so profitable but still something i think people would use
mircea_popescu: except college kids rarely are part of the local community
Duffer1: but to take that one step further into facilitating drug trade, i don't believe you're ready to hide from the awesome and terrifying might of the usgov
mircea_popescu: they're there to go to college.
mircea_popescu: sort-of like us soldiers in vietnam
ohider: im not initially worried about making money with the marketplace
ohider: if something has value there are ways of making money off it
ohider: look up how craigslist makes money
Duffer1: certainly but is the risk an par with the reward
ohider: the guy is a fucking genius / billionaire
Duffer1: on par*
Duffer1: you risk 20+ years in prison for x amount of cash
mircea_popescu: a) the craigslist guy isn't a billionaire ; b) i am.
ohider: ha right
mircea_popescu: im gonna print these out for when i'm old. just too good stuff.
BingoBoingo: ohider: Seems like it's time for you to register with Gribble and get to reading
mircea_popescu: not to imply there's anything wrong with mr newark.
ohider: whats gribble
Duffer1: ;;google gribble bot
BingoBoingo: ohider: Or mayb flip the order of reading and registering aroud
ohider: 404
Duffer1: try the bitcoin-otc link, that'll have web of trust, otc, gribble etc
BingoBoingo: That last link http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/Using_bitcoin-otc is the more important one
mircea_popescu: incredible how often that is said about google these days
ohider: i need to setup a safe email
ohider: is there such a thing?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 41 @ 0.0031849 = 0.1306 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: ohider: GPG can keep contents safe, but you'll still leave metadata around.
BingoBoingo: Completely safe untraceable email isn't a thing. You need to worry more about protecting messages than trying to protect the channel.
ohider: what about bitmessage
BingoBoingo: Dunno that bitmessage is too worth looking into, there seems to be some vulnerabilities associated with how it works
ozbot: Bitmessage v1.0: completely broken crypto | bitslog
ohider: @mircea_popecsu are you the real dude
Duffer1: ;;gpg ident mircea_popescu
gribble: Nick 'mircea_popescu', with hostmask 'mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu', is not identified.
Duffer1: based on the replies you got i'd say it's probably not a nick squater :P
ohider: ok I'm out stay tuned boco.bit will be up this month
Duffer1: good luck man :)
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mircea_popescu: yes, i'm the real dude.
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1000 @ 0.001 = 1 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1500 @ 0.001 = 1.5 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1000 @ 0.001 = 1 BTC
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00091313 = 6.118 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 100 @ 0.0014996 = 0.15 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.05 = 0.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 36 @ 0.0030911 = 0.1113 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.05 = 0.3 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 226 @ 0.001 = 0.226 BTC
Duffer1: that article ws pretty low hanging fruit
benkay: my fruits hang pretty low as well
pankkake: cascadia: first province of the cryptostate
benkay: gotta give the hipsters something to chew on
pankkake: no RSS feed?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25950 @ 0.00090956 = 23.6031 BTC [-] {3}
benkay: what rss reader do you use, pankkake
pankkake: tt-rss
pankkake: with newsbeuter
Duffer1: hate all you want, reddit still delivers
benkay: quality of us "journalism" has declined to the point where the journos are now the story and the story is a picture
Duffer1: i like pictures
benkay: come march i'll be able to bike across the bridge and get my ganj on in the free market too.
Duffer1: might even be able to pay btc for it too
benkay: and why would i do that now!?
Duffer1: smart man
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.0009105 = 9.2871 BTC [+] {2}
benkay: thanks for the post idea: bitcoins aren't for spending. stop being retarded, silicon valley.
Duffer1: i dunno man, people still need to treat it as a currency to some degree
Duffer1: if everyone just held then it would be a pure speculation vehicle for fiat and not much else
Duffer1: was that mihm article yours benkay?
kakobrekla: Decembers result for Panacea: +0.42%
benkay: "to some degree" can be all sorts of things: international transfers, intergenerational transfers, highly obscured transfers, uninterdictable transfers
benkay: some day it'll be useful in day-to-day shit
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 45 @ 0.00318659 = 0.1434 BTC [+] {2}
benkay: not now. not for ten years, likely as not. and maybe even local fiat is more useful at that point, and those who are lucky enough to hold butts will transfer in and out of local fiat scrip as appropriate for their cashflow needs.
benkay: mircea_popescu has an article about deflationary currencies around somewhere.
benkay: Duffer1: yes, that's mine.
benkay: you'll note the link to my otc profile at the bottom of the page.
Duffer1: oh missed that
KRS|Gotyawallet: is it worth looking at otc for good buys or mostly market price?
benkay: what is a good buy?
KRS|Gotyawallet: below market price?
benkay: a good price for a tiny amount of butts, or a clean transaction that keeps your name out of the dirt?
KRS|Gotyawallet: oh i see umm i'm not sure what you mean about the second part
benkay: some people don't really feel like going through the AML/KYC rectal analysis.
benkay: or whatever the eurobutt equivalent is.
KRS|Gotyawallet: ok i was starting to think along those lines- gotcha.
KRS|Gotyawallet: i think its worth looking at then-for sure thanks
benkay: mp says these things and everyone's like "u crazy romanian:
benkay: stfu"
benkay: i suppose he leaves the whys and wherefores to the low hanging fruits
KRS|Gotyawallet: i'm not understanding sturles pricing..weird. wonder if he's quoting pesos
KRS|Gotyawallet: looking for a good deal for say $10K
benkay: firing up an #otc reputation a few months ago and ramping up your trades looks like a real good idea in retrospect, doesn't it?
KRS|Gotyawallet: i lost my damn gpg identity
Duffer1: rather unfortunate username for that plan though man
KRS|Gotyawallet: damn you aint kidding
Duffer1: i cringe everytime i see thick-as-thieves
KRS|Gotyawallet: theres another KRS so I was going to slowly change over..thanks for making me realize this.
Duffer1: bro take a second to say that outloud :)
KRS|Gotyawallet: Duffer1: I never understood that about TaT and considering what he does
Duffer1: ya hehe
benkay: we're all prisoners of our past decisions.
KRS1: heh thanks
KRS1: no matter how old i get i never seem to have enough foresight
Duffer1: ya no doubt
benkay: foreskin, though...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7550 @ 0.00091052 = 6.8744 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: kinda low hanging, kinda not put the effort into doing the whole job, either.
mircea_popescu: you can be sloppy and genius, you can be trite and thorough.
mircea_popescu: there's no sloppy and trite prize
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1750 @ 0.0009108 = 1.5939 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ;;seen ThickAsThieves
gribble: ThickAsThieves was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 18 hours, 8 minutes, and 41 seconds ago: <ThickAsThieves> CySEC is the Cyprus Exchange
mircea_popescu: no new year's in thieves' land
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47327 @ 0.00091379 = 43.2469 BTC [+] {8}
Duffer1: ah i didn't mean ben's article, i meant the bloomberg one
Duffer1: easy to pick on
mircea_popescu: wait. benkay now has a blog ?
Duffer1: apparently hehe
mircea_popescu: lol cool.
mircea_popescu: now we can tell him his blog sucks all the time
Duffer1: i'll wait till he starts charging for it, then say it sucks so i can get cheaper price
mircea_popescu: anyway, bekay : more data less opinion. opinions are like assholes, everyone's got one. data is like cunt, everyone needs some.
mircea_popescu: aww didn't mean to hurt his feelers ;/
Duffer1: hehe
KRS1: ;;gettrust KRS1
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask KRS1!~userid@c-50-143-86-143.hsd1.fl.comcast.net. Trust relationship from user KRS1 to user KRS1: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=KRS1&dest=KRS1 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=KRS1 | Rated since: never
KRS1: hate starting over
KRS1: Ah sunrise here on the US east coast. Gonna go enjoy the fresh air with a cigarette.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 502 @ 0.001 = 0.502 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.32 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 65 @ 0.00319659 = 0.2078 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10636 @ 0.00091041 = 9.6831 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7500 @ 0.00091177 = 6.8383 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 954 @ 0.00091177 = 0.8698 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 74 @ 0.05 = 3.7 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 700 @ 0.05 = 35 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.05 = 0.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10335 @ 0.00091394 = 9.4456 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15707 @ 0.00091163 = 14.319 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14200 @ 0.00091426 = 12.9825 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2300 @ 0.00091069 = 2.0946 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: dude, some shit made some redditard worried ?
mircea_popescu: this is news.
jcpham: all my boxen were rooted when i got to work
jcpham: new year's hax
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9450 @ 0.00091028 = 8.6021 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5550 @ 0.00091167 = 5.0598 BTC [+]
b0n1: someone here having some insight informations about black arrows prospero x-3 asics?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 288 @ 0.05 = 14.4 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1444 @ 0.05 = 72.2 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 50 @ 0.00324 = 0.162 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: b0n1 you mean whether they'l;l be delayed ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 170 @ 0.001 = 0.17 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 70 @ 0.0037 = 0.259 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 9990 @ 0.001 = 9.99 BTC
ozbot: 'Military-Style' Raid on California Power Station Spooks U.S.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14059 @ 0.00091445 = 12.8563 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34691 @ 0.00091567 = 31.7655 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6961 @ 0.00091639 = 6.379 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34139 @ 0.00091683 = 31.2997 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3340 @ 0.000093 = 0.3106 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.05 = 0.2 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.05 = 0.15 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 11 @ 0.02200001 = 0.242 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 70 @ 0.34161341 = 23.9129 BTC [+] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.34799999 = 1.044 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6166 @ 0.00091719 = 5.6554 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.34799999 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17050 @ 0.00091584 = 15.6151 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12950 @ 0.00091262 = 11.8184 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 350 @ 0.00091017 = 0.3186 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 128 @ 0.001 = 0.128 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.34833333 = 1.045 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.04911104 = 0.4911 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 50 @ 0.021016 = 1.0508 BTC [-] {5}
jurov: although, i'm not sure wallst. babies would survive here :D
ozbot: If you own 3000 or more BTC, Wall Street wants your advice : Bitcoin
mircea_popescu: herpderp.
mircea_popescu: it'd be really hard to say "My name is Joe Schmoe and I've been working WS for 20 years"
mircea_popescu: it has to be anon. because people with actual jobs and actual histories behave exactly like redditards. it's redditrule.
mircea_popescu: i'm sure if bill gates introduces himself it's never "Hi, I'm Bill Gates, I used to own Microsoft". It's definitely "Hi I'm passionate about lasagna and I have a 20 year career in like computer stuff and such."
jurov: and to valiantly fight cancer and aids
jurov: it prolly needs to name the celebs
jurov: aka "either kanye west or justin bieber will start altcoinz"
jurov: lol too much for ozbot?
mircea_popescu: well at least identify the class.
mircea_popescu: "anyone with a platinum record"
mircea_popescu: "anyone with an oscar"
jurov: mhm
pankkake: what about dr. dre?
mircea_popescu: course the problem will be some redditard will start a dr dre coin
mircea_popescu: and well... it's unlikely he'll get sued or anyone will actually care.
jurov: if must be officially endorsed by said celeb
pankkake: some retard started a bernanke coin so
pankkake: and it has serious hashpower
mircea_popescu: such as they make a twitter reply going "That;s hot" in responmse to the guy's @ ?
mircea_popescu: basically the problem of postmodernism is that words don't mean anything anymore ;/.
mircea_popescu: attempting to put them to some useful purpose is not much unlike trying to put computers to some useful purpose
mircea_popescu: as computers also long ceased doing anything particular, like say math.
mircea_popescu: i guess i should start my own brand of buttermilk
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.349 = 1.745 BTC [+] {2}
jurov: the celebrity could create value for the currency by selling tickets in that currency << Ha. This needs to happen.
mircea_popescu: as if sales aren't depressed enough
mircea_popescu: without adding absurd barriers
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3000 @ 0.0000988 = 0.2964 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.34899999 = 3.49 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 134 @ 0.00290003 = 0.3886 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: lol the guy actually edited his reddit thing to include his name
mircea_popescu: well, so i guess it's time someone tells him about how the unclueless WS has been on assets all this time.
mircea_popescu: and he's welcome to join etc
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16450 @ 0.00090979 = 14.966 BTC [-] {3}
the20year: The things you see when you don't have enough cash....
mike_c: what would you get in rent for that?
the20year: $700/mo
the20year: Maybe $750, the location is fantastic
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1500 @ 0.001 = 1.5 BTC
mike_c: which is well above what a mortgage payment would cost. craziness.
asciilifeform: mike_c: where's the surprise? slaves get their food cheaper (free!) than free men
mike_c: i am surprised that there is such a group of people that are qualified to rent a home for $700 a month but can't get a $70k mortgage. seems depressing, but I guess there are much worse things in the world.
the20year: Mortgage would run about $200 a month
the20year: Mortgage would require you save some money back for a down payment
mike_c: that's not realistic. would need to get money to fix it up
mike_c: more like 550 probably
the20year: $10k-$15k in repairs
the20year: so a $300/mo mortgage or so
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5086 @ 0.0009094 = 4.6252 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: mike_c: all you need to rent for 700 is 700x1 or 2 (security deposit)
mike_c: and a landlord who will take you. i guess if you're in the business of quick evictions you don't worry about reliability much. turnover is a bitch though.
the20year: We get good tenants
mike_c: was that for the record? ;)
the20year: I shoot for turnover every 2 years, with 3 weeks of vacancy
the20year: Yes, it was. There's no reason to get tenants that will tear your house up
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13200 @ 0.0009094 = 12.0041 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 39 @ 0.0028891 = 0.1127 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 116 @ 0.00287205 = 0.3332 BTC [-] {4}
nubbins`: pretty crazy scorch marks on the walls
nubbins`: from the heaters :0
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.04999999 = 0.15 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.34985713 = 2.449 BTC [+] {4}
the20year: not a big fix
nubbins`: yeah, i'm just surprised to see it
nubbins`: guess it's more the wallpaper than anything
westblc: !help
assbot: List of commands:
assbot: !ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !t}
assbot: !last <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns last price value, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !l}
assbot: !mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)
assbot: !rules <nick/chan> (desc: chan guidelines) {short: !r}
assbot: !exchanges <nick/chan> (desc: lists exchanges and brokers) {short: !e}
assbot: !jd (desc: returns relevant stats from https://just-dice.com)
assbot: !bash <lines> (desc: bashes last <lines> lines to bash) {short: !b}
assbot: !quote <lines> (desc: quotes last <lines> lines and returns dpaste url) {short: !q}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 191 @ 0.0009094 = 0.1737 BTC [-]
westblc: !ticker MPEX BTC
assbot: Quest for vision is a great blessing.
westblc: !ticker MPEX LTC
assbot: I haven't understood a single word you've said since I met you, not one single word.
mircea_popescu: !t m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00090583 / 0.000913 / 0.00092376 (946189 shares, 863.87 BTC), 7D: 0.0007653 / 0.00087744 / 0.00092376 (5331526 shares, 4,678.14 BTC), 30D: 0.00062972 / 0.00087587 / 0.00092376 (19902934 shares, 17,432.58 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4936 @ 0.00090858 = 4.4848 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5746 @ 0.00090847 = 5.2201 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 90 @ 0.001899 = 0.1709 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5000 @ 0.0000988 = 0.494 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11350 @ 0.00091135 = 10.3438 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 199 @ 0.00320431 = 0.6377 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 754 @ 0.00327973 = 2.4729 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 1000 @ 0.00330876 = 3.3088 BTC [+] {11}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 46 @ 0.00333193 = 0.1533 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2852 @ 0.0009148 = 2.609 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 35754 @ 0.001 = 35.754 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 6007 @ 0.00009886 = 0.5939 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 350 @ 0.00091346 = 0.3197 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 89 @ 0.00343688 = 0.3059 BTC [+] {4}
wao-ender: yeah
wao-ender: also slovak article about CYE is out
jurov: wao right, gotta have your priorities
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1681 @ 0.00091277 = 1.5344 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10400 @ 0.00091276 = 9.4927 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17852 @ 0.00091169 = 16.2755 BTC [-] {2}
didlySquat: anybody know when the BitBet monthly staement will come out?
jurov: didlySquat: should come out till 5th
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 32 @ 0.00342402 = 0.1096 BTC [-]
jurov: also S.MPOE divs should come imminent
jurov: if they aren't deprecated :D
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5250 @ 0.0009148 = 4.8027 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 34461 @ 0.001 = 34.461 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.00091067 = 3.0963 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5800 @ 0.00091067 = 5.2819 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45500 @ 0.00090907 = 41.3627 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8548 @ 0.00091081 = 7.7856 BTC [+]
ozbot: Livermore's Centennial Light Bulb Cam
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.00090946 = 4.1835 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.05 = 0.15 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00090988 = 9.0988 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 8 @ 0.020005 = 0.16 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.05 = 0.15 BTC [+]
twizt: no bullshit
twizt: lol
twizt: prolly lotta bullshit
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 34 @ 0.00345 = 0.1173 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.34 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6350 @ 0.00090778 = 5.7644 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.34625 = 1.385 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 400 @ 0.001 = 0.4 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23362 @ 0.00090942 = 21.2459 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12100 @ 0.00090732 = 10.9786 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8700 @ 0.00090695 = 7.8905 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6963 @ 0.00090656 = 6.3124 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.05 = 0.55 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 10000 @ 0.0000989 = 0.989 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.05 = 0.45 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 8421 @ 0.00009899 = 0.8336 BTC [+]
ozbot: Kanye West Cryptocurrency Coinye West Like Bitcoin | TIME.com
jborkl: :(
TomServo: Wasn't a bet on this topic being discussed just a few hours ago?
TomServo: jurov | aka "either kanye west or justin bieber will start altcoinz"
TomServo: oh man. that's too good.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7684 @ 0.00090666 = 6.9668 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: of course... there's absolutely no relation between the two
asciilifeform: big fat prize (from the god of war, not from yours truly) to the first fellow who gets idiots to run a trojaned trading bot.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7550 @ 0.0009063 = 6.8426 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: (re: 'zerogox')
mircea_popescu: im sure this must have already happened
mircea_popescu: all the "magic trading profits bot" stuff on the forum going on for 1+ years by now ? there's no way it hasn't.
KRS1: zerogox.com ...seems legit
KRS1: where do i sign up
KRS1: ;;lasers
gribble: ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11500 @ 0.00090889 = 10.4522 BTC [+] {2}
KRS1: *sniff* Cartier cologne reminds me of lemons
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.05 = 0.45 BTC [+]
testingUnoDosTre: How many BTC can I get for a snickers?
mircea_popescu: testingUnoDosTre wrong year.
testingUnoDosTre: femtoBTC?
testingUnoDosTre: mircea, I did not expect you to be alive in this thread, being my first time here
assbot: Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1534397/plain/)
testingUnoDosTre: scratch that thought, I was sent here from your twitter page
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13800 @ 0.00090596 = 12.5022 BTC [-] {5}
kakobrekla: there is no ctrl-z on irc
mircea_popescu: testingUnoDosTre a, you the reddit guy ?
kakobrekla: unlike forums, twitters, facebooks and skypes
testingUnoDosTre: No, I try to stay far away from reddit. Used to frequent battle.net though
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 19 @ 0.05 = 0.95 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: that's interesting. anyway, welcome. there's about 1mn btc represented here, tho most people are not nearly as verbose as me.
mircea_popescu: your essential reading, other than the channel log, is modestly http://trilema.com/category/bitcoin/ and perhaps http://trilema.com/category/mpex/
testingUnoDosTre: Yes, your websites are far greater reads than the bitcointalk subforums
mircea_popescu: i should hope so :D
Duffer1: reading bitcointalk is a lot like digging for gold in a sewer
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lame bots that merely lift wallets don't count
asciilifeform: gotta bomb the market, induce oscillatory panics, other fun.
kakobrekla: <asciilifeform> big fat prize (from the god of war, not from yours truly) to the first fellow who gets idiots to run a trojaned trading bot.
kakobrekla: this?
kakobrekla: must be extra easy
the20year1: Concerning most assets on mpex, what's the average issuer equity in the stock?
mircea_popescu: yeah, right, because bitcoin is so fragile one man and his genius can fuck it all up.
mircea_popescu: wrong year all over again
asciilifeform: no need to fuck it all up, any more than one nuke needs to demolish a whole planet to be worth setting off...
testingUnoDosTre: I would love to see some of the originally mined bitcoins moved around, just to see some reaction by the market.
the20year1: Why do you think there would be reactioon?
kakobrekla: there was a huge spike in bitcoin days destroyed
kakobrekla: couple of days ago
kakobrekla: maybe a week?
asciilifeform: testingUnoDosTre: there was a rumory mubling that a few 100K of circa-2010 (?) coins moved, but no one linked to hard data.
kakobrekla: and guess what, we are still here
testingUnoDosTre: Isn't there about 1 million coins in some of the original accounts?
the20year1: It's around there
mircea_popescu: a little under that
the20year1: there's half a million coins in accounts from 2009 that are from early miners, no movement
kakobrekla: i guess about same amount is alo lost.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla wasn't that the reddit guru what's his name, fantomas or something doing a max keiser ?
asciilifeform: traditional belief seems to be that 'they lost their hdd'
the20year1: only 50% of all created bitcoins have moved
the20year1: I wish I lost my HD in 2010, instead I got hacked
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu i dont have any info on that
testingUnoDosTre: and what's the total US federal government ownership, 150k?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 185 @ 0.0029827 = 0.5518 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: testingUnoDosTre a little over that by now
asciilifeform: not counting der fuhrer's miners?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 35000 @ 0.001 = 35 BTC
testingUnoDosTre: that will probably go down as the most profitable asset ever seized by the US govt
asciilifeform: i'll break out some evil rumor right here now:
asciilifeform: there are tor exits silently pumping ascii through 'sed' or the like, slipping 'friendly' btc addrs in place of originals.
asciilifeform: not naming names.
asciilifeform: take it with a grain of whatever.
kakobrekla: yeah, well there was a desktop version of such malware which would replace the address once you put one valid in clipboard
asciilifeform: people using winblows and btc together should also smoke at petrol pumps
kakobrekla: i have tiny unencrypted wallet on my win laptop.
kakobrekla: i bet its the first to go in case of shit.
mircea_popescu: no they shouldn't.
mircea_popescu: you have any idea what a pump costs ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: point
mircea_popescu: let them buy their own propane canisters or w/e
mircea_popescu: and go camping
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: 'if (total < 1.0) exit(0)'
kakobrekla: its more than 1 and less than 10
kakobrekla: but yeah
the20year1: I wish i would have known the valnerabilities of the bitcoin client and XP when I first got interested in btc
kakobrekla: i know what you are saying
kakobrekla: but who will turn down the change
kakobrekla: in reality, noone
kakobrekla: except the change that is hard to get off
kakobrekla: because of tx fees
kakobrekla: [this happpend before]
asciilifeform: this is why i don't really have any ill-will for crapware artists. they should be seen as educators.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8134 @ 0.00090573 = 7.3672 BTC [-] {2}
testingUnoDosTre: you're saying its much more hard to keep btc safe on windows?
kakobrekla: windows is like open lobby
kakobrekla: if they are safe there, there is a good chance they are safe elsewhere :)
testingUnoDosTre: you lost my on open lobby, is that some xbox reference?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1000 @ 0.001 = 1 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 119 @ 0.00298886 = 0.3557 BTC [+] {3}
testingUnoDosTre: couldn't I be just as damaging on linux while dealing btc as with windows?
kakobrekla: you? maybe. me? no.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 385 @ 0.001 = 0.385 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.353999 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5700 @ 0.00090715 = 5.1708 BTC [+]
mod6: (19:17) < asciilifeform> people using winblows and btc together should also smoke at petrol pumps << lol
kakobrekla: you know
kakobrekla: smoking at petrol pump is not as dangerous as it sounds
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22402 @ 0.00090743 = 20.3282 BTC [+] {4}
testingUnoDosTre: mircea, can you expound on your Marie Antoinette post
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13800 @ 0.00091001 = 12.5581 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: what's to expound
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla you seen those "try and light this gasoline with this ciggarete" things ?
kakobrekla: well dunno what i saw, i just know its not really easy
kakobrekla: besides, theres no bangs coming from bosnia, serbia ...
kakobrekla: and they do have petrol stations there, i know that for a fact.
testingUnoDosTre: Well at first, it touches on social revolutions in a negative light.Then the article seems to talk about revolution of self towards the end
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 21 @ 0.02188996 = 0.4597 BTC [+]
Duffer1: i think the point was 'kill yourself because nothing you do matters'
Duffer1: at least, that's what i took from it
Duffer1: don't read too much into it man :P
kakobrekla: yeah, or you will end up smoking ciggs on petrol stations.
Duffer1: or wishing you were a lone young chick on a train...
testingUnoDosTre: we only have petrol-corn stations in the US now
kakobrekla: so you end up with a lot of popcorn if the thing goes bang?
the20year1: not all stations are gas-corn
testingUnoDosTre: you must not live in the Midwest?
the20year1: I do , i was assuming you were talking about e85 stations
testingUnoDosTre: No, I thought that everyone was slipping in under 10% lately
testingUnoDosTre: could definitely be wrong though
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla it;s true that gasoline as a liquid will not catch on fire
mircea_popescu: but happily extinguish your ciggarette, like water.
mircea_popescu: as a vapor however...
kakobrekla: but as vapor you need the right mixture
kakobrekla: also im not sure if a lit cigg will do for vapor
mircea_popescu: to explode. it will burn at pretty much any concentration
kakobrekla: i think you need open light
mircea_popescu: arguably some combos are not too visible
mircea_popescu: testingUnoDosTre it's a film. you seen it ?
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla well... if panacea ever goes negative you can do some experiments :D
testingUnoDosTre: I thought the post was touching more on history than the movie. I did understand that it was a film, but no I have not seen it.
mircea_popescu: try it sometime. the missus will love you for it.
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu im sure there will be negative months, but i would dissolve way before negative nav
kakobrekla: so i think someone else will have to to the experiments
kakobrekla: perhaps write to alberto armandi
kakobrekla: and LEAVE MY ALBERTO ALONE
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.35399597 = 1.77 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4550 @ 0.00090509 = 4.1182 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 196 @ 0.0029889 = 0.5858 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 48 @ 0.00298952 = 0.1435 BTC [+] {2}
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