Show Idle (>14 d.) Chans
← 2013-12-31 | 2014-01-02 → ↓
Vexual: pakistan sold out of #0 phillips head screwdrivers
Vexual: whats one of those usb refectors worth?
mircea_popescu: 20k a pop in packs of 50
mircea_popescu: seems oddly overpriced but what do i know of red tape.
Vexual: me thinks they havent updated their prices sine 2007
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5800 @ 0.00091444 = 5.3038 BTC [-]
Vexual: high school trig, a consumer radome, and it's @thats not jam, it's spoof!@
thestringpuller: !ticker m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00090326 / 0.000912 / 0.00091936 (684127 shares, 623.93 BTC), 7D: 0.00062972 / 0.00085727 / 0.00091936 (4322849 shares, 3,705.88 BTC), 30D: 0.00062972 / 0.00087255 / 0.00091936 (18680368 shares, 16,299.58 BTC)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 194 @ 0.003 = 0.582 BTC [+] {2}
Vexual: nsa tv your postcode for $1000 lol
Vexual: they had a few months to go stealing back laptops tho
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 33 @ 0.31 = 10.23 BTC [+]
ozbot: Simple harmonic motion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.00091444 = 5.4866 BTC [-]
Duffer1: happy new years #bitcoin-assets, may your bitcoins and assets do well this year
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15400 @ 0.00091405 = 14.0764 BTC [-] {2}
Vexual: i seem to remember eeports of alienwares arriving with dodgy soldering
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.05 = 0.3 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18266 @ 0.00091453 = 16.7048 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6379 @ 0.00091453 = 5.8338 BTC [+]
s4rn: what's the difference between cryptostocks.com and havelock investments? i bought cryptsy stock from cryptostocks, now i'm interested in investing in neo&bee
Vexual: theres only one way to find our
BingoBoingo: s4rn: Havelock seems to just be kind of scammy, but Cryptostocks is totally scammy
Vexual: theres a good chance of closed eyes shotgun wins in 2014
Vexual: buy no such labs
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6200 @ 0.00091562 = 5.6768 BTC [+]
Vexual: its an emerging industry, with capable people
Vexual: the market is bigger than predicted, and the risks are lower
Vexual: its a fucking no-brainer
Vexual: coz when the shit comes down, neobee will use all those funds for personal indenmity lawyers just like burnside did
Vexual: a proper comany will drop a director under a bus like its a catcoin, or not walk on the road when a bus is coming
Vexual: but, you can't reinvent captialism overnight
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11000 @ 0.00091562 = 10.0718 BTC [+]
VanCleef: how do i buy 100 btc worth of labcoin shares?
Vexual: u want em b4 this thursady?
VanCleef: i just sold the parents house and asked them to be patient and live in their car for a year so i need them asap so i can buy them a better house soon
Vexual: youre a few tuesdays late
Vexual: that was over in 3 hours
Vexual: Did you double down or hit the triple for a nickel or not touch it cleef?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12195 @ 0.00091562 = 11.166 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14550 @ 0.00091568 = 13.3231 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.02499993 = 0.125 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14495 @ 0.00091599 = 13.2773 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3805 @ 0.00091728 = 3.4903 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15500 @ 0.00091728 = 14.2178 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00091728 = 9.9984 BTC [+]
VanCleef: why are people throwing money away on mpoe?
VanCleef: 13 - 14 btc jesus christ
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.30000004 = 1.2 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15523 @ 0.00091827 = 14.2543 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 9069 @ 0.00009746 = 0.8839 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.30989899 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.0009197 = 8.5532 BTC [+] {3}
Duffer1: paywall
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3814 @ 0.00091456 = 3.4881 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19542 @ 0.00091455 = 17.8721 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5658 @ 0.00091392 = 5.171 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 732 @ 0.0009201 = 0.6735 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30668 @ 0.00092034 = 28.225 BTC [+] {2}
VanCleef: man who is wasting 28 btc's on that crap?
VanCleef: must be fake trades
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.00091392 = 3.1073 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 16 @ 0.0225 = 0.36 BTC [-] {3}
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Guy should have scammed a boring disease
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 52 @ 0.00211152 = 0.1098 BTC [-] {7}
BingoBoingo: Alopecia would have been a nice choice. People have been scamming that for ages.
kakobrekla: VanCleef : better get some cog
Duffer1: "Outside of libertarian circles, it has become conventional wisdom that it is both natural and desirable for governments to monopolize the production and quantity of currency."
BingoBoingo: Duffer1: You see the dude's official portrait yet?
Duffer1: no but i suspect he looks like badluckbrian
ozbot: Mayor Bloomberg’s official portrait revealed, mocked
Duffer1: oh bloomberg hehe
Duffer1: he looks like what Bush Jr would look like if he was a jew
VanCleef: trying to get some labcoin atm
Duffer1: "In fact, if you strip away its technological trappings -- the encryption, the peer-to-peer networks -- and Bitcoin closely resembles these earlier private efforts."
Duffer1: This article is a goldmine
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8150 @ 0.00092036 = 7.5009 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17600 @ 0.00091891 = 16.1728 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15901 @ 0.0009205 = 14.6369 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11430 @ 0.00091551 = 10.4643 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4070 @ 0.00091368 = 3.7187 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6112 @ 0.0009156 = 5.5961 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9738 @ 0.00091638 = 8.9237 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13800 @ 0.00091358 = 12.6074 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16650 @ 0.0009121 = 15.1865 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1500 @ 0.00091195 = 1.3679 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12741 @ 0.00091686 = 11.6817 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23700 @ 0.00091315 = 21.6417 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6350 @ 0.00091749 = 5.8261 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.00091195 = 4.195 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.05 = 1 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8250 @ 0.0009123 = 7.5265 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG.F] 1 @ 0.75 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1000 @ 0.001 = 1 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 770 @ 0.00048991 = 0.3772 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.00298787 = 1.4939 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17500 @ 0.00091902 = 16.0829 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.08625 = 0.4313 BTC [-]
Gotchawallet: so what do you all think about that bloomberg article
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9235 @ 0.00091942 = 8.4908 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.02399997 = 0.12 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4550 @ 0.00091789 = 4.1764 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4400 @ 0.00091707 = 4.0351 BTC [-]
benkay: kinda neglects the whole "democratic governments always evolve into control regimes and a major tool in the kit is currency" angle.
benkay: so typical usg propaganda.
the20year1: If no one likes it , no one will use it
the20year1: But trends are showing otherwise
benkay: it's not for using.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 14 @ 0.30988397 = 4.3384 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.30999966 = 1.86 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37300 @ 0.00091611 = 34.1709 BTC [-] {3}
Positron_: The Blackberry buyout bet on BitBet has been mis-resolved. There will be no Blackberry takeover. http://www.forbes.com/sites/samanthasharf/2013/12/26/blackberry-co-founder-ends-takeover-bid-sells-off-shares/
kakobrekla: ;;later tell mircea_popescu <Positron_> The Blackberry buyout bet on BitBet has been mis-resolved. There will be no Blackberry takeover. http://www.forbes.com/sites/samanthasharf/2013/12/26/blackberry-co-founder-ends-takeover-bid-sells-off-shares/
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2139 @ 0.00091942 = 1.9666 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8061 @ 0.00091993 = 7.4156 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13410 @ 0.00091997 = 12.3368 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3438 @ 0.00092242 = 3.1713 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 60000 @ 0.001 = 60 BTC
benkay: what blackberry bet?
ozbot: BitBet - Research In Motion (RIMM), will be acquired in 2013
Duffer1: Official announcement will be sufficient to close as Yes.
benkay: bitbet search is kinda limp
mike_c: you probably had the 'open' filter selected
benkay: defaults. those rarely considered user flow elements.
mike_c: Official announcement of acquisition is not the same as announcement of non-binding LOI. tough one to resolve, probably was a bad bet.
benkay: also searches aren't persistent
benkay: you broke my forwards button kakobrekla
mike_c: this jury of one would say to the losing bettors: you should have complained at the time and said it was only a LOI.
Duffer1: ah good point
Positron_: The takover deal was cancelled before the end of 2013. So the bet should resolve as no?
the20year1: what exchanges do you guys favor the most?
mike_c: glbse
Duffer1: currency or securities?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.31099 BTC [+]
the20year1: securities
mike_c: don't you get the same answer every time you ask that here? :)
the20year1: Usually it's havelock but have been hearing good things about cryptostocks
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21208 @ 0.00091407 = 19.3856 BTC [-] {2}
Duffer1: :(((((((((((
mike_c: not in this channel.
Duffer1: cryptostocks listed labcoin even after they were confirmed as a scam
Duffer1: cryptostocks is a 'good' exchange in the same way 6th street in Austin is a 'good' place to buy drugs
Duffer1: you might get drugs, or you might get raped
the20year1: And you all trade on mpex?
benkay: some of us
benkay: some trade on havelock or cryptostocks, thinking the fee too steep for our liking and unwilling to pay jurov for the privilege of using his keys.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11850 @ 0.00091286 = 10.8174 BTC [-]
benkay: the20year1: look at average trade size on various exchanges.
benkay: guy gets scammed, has 'i now do bitcoin consultancy' in sig
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10550 @ 0.00091195 = 9.6211 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2650 @ 0.00091195 = 2.4167 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16250 @ 0.00091182 = 14.8171 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26700 @ 0.00091108 = 24.3258 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14850 @ 0.00091258 = 13.5518 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.05 = 0.25 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21733 @ 0.00091015 = 19.7803 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0491 = 0.2455 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19600 @ 0.0009105 = 17.8458 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.300101 = 1.2004 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.3001 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 46 @ 0.29793486 = 13.705 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.28188889 = 2.537 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.280975 = 1.1239 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11278 @ 0.00091009 = 10.264 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0491 = 0.2455 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1603 @ 0.00091282 = 1.4633 BTC [+] {2}
benkay: gpg key expiry. how does it work?
Duffer1: ;;gpg key expiry
gribble: Error: The "GPG" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "key" in it. Try "list GPG" to see the commands in the "GPG" plugin.
Duffer1: ;;google gpg key expiry
gribble: How to change the expiration date of a GPG key | G-Loaded Journal: <http://www.g-loaded.eu/2010/11/01/change-expiration-date-gpg-key/>; edit-key - GnuPG: <http://www.gnupg.org/gph/en/manual/r899.html>; what happens when a key expires? - GPGTools Support: <http://support.gpgtools.org/discussions/everything/10012-what-happens-when-a-key-expires>
benkay: oh, i know how to do it. i don't know how it works.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 48 @ 0.0225 = 1.08 BTC [-] {2}
pankkake: what do you mean, works? it's a date field
Apocalyptic: pankkake, he thought it was somehow enforced in the signing/encrypting process I guess
Apocalyptic: though it doesn't make much sense to consider it
pankkake: perhaps GPG gives you a warning. but it's not like you can really enforce dates
pankkake: well, a bitcoin-like blockchain can be used to enforce dates
benkay: what about on the signature verification side? if i change my key expiry, how will that show up in my signed messages?
Apocalyptic: it won't
benkay: mpex is still using A57D509A?
benkay: looks like it...
benkay: so naive gpg won't use an expired subkey
the20year: Take a look at this if possible and let me know if it's clear enough - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Z-6ppuDBSnWkfe736URe_2pJA3lNGXgf_6k-occcU2w/edit
Duffer1: 6% is incredibly unattractive
Duffer1: also: "Public bond HHHHHHolder list.."
Duffer1: otherwise seems pretty straight forward "you're going to lose money on this deal if you invest"
pankkake: I don't see the issue with the 6% - and keep in mind it's an USD bond
pankkake: but you basically address bitcoiners who want to sell, or outsiders, but why use bitcoin then?
pankkake: unless doing this kind of thing with fiat is forbidden (or hard)
truffles: hey pankkake, did u have a merry xmas?
pankkake: it was nice, what about you?
truffles: i lived
truffles: new year new beginnings!
pankkake: let's hope so
truffles: bitcoin survived 2013 heh
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.022 = 0.22 BTC [-] {3}
the20year: It would be moved to an exchange at some short point in teh future
the20year: You'll loose BTC if you invest and the value of BTC increases relative to USD
the20year: If said value goes down, you'll do quite well, at any rate you'll make interest in USD
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16850 @ 0.00092198 = 15.5354 BTC [+] {2}
Duffer1: i hear you man, i like what you're doing as a startup
benkay: it's not a startup yo it's an REIT.
Duffer1: but btc swings 6% a day easy
Duffer1: ah right, wrong word
the20year: And hopefully the swings would average out
the20year: But, that's a risk, the alternative is holding on to bitcoins hopefully appreciating in value over time
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17800 @ 0.00092248 = 16.4201 BTC [+] {2}
pankkake: but you wouldn't invest all your fortune in bitcoin - this seems like a nice fiat investment
pankkake: not a get rich quick one, so again, I wonder where you're going to get btc people to invest :p
Duffer1: my fiat is in bitcoin
Duffer1: well was :P
the20year: Ukto and graet got $250k-$350k worth of bitcoins on their 12% loans
the20year: and anyone that paid attention realized they were cashing out to USD, and could never repay the BTC value
pankkake: no arguing about that. that was stupid
mircea_popescu: the20year you're not ukto and certainly not graet.
the20year: So, my question is whether or not I can attract people wanting a reasonable APY on a pretty secure, transparent invesment
mircea_popescu: in people can get financed for any stupidity they wish to do. out people can not, no matter anything.
mircea_popescu: the practical solutions are either to be upset or to strive to in yourself.
pankkake: "reasonable APY on a pretty secure, transparent invesment" => well, many people want that. but they are not bitcoiners :p
mircea_popescu: either can take a lifetime easily, either may just as well not deliver in the end.
the20year: Yeah, that's my concern pankkake
pankkake: so, why would people use bitcoins, and not fiat directly?
the20year: Bitcoin marketplace is so hot and easy to access, fiat is much more difficult for me
the20year: My cost to IPO via bitfunder and get ~$100k of investment was $500
the20year: To take any investment in person from investors the traditiional way, i'd of spent $20k
mircea_popescu: mkay, good enough.
pankkake: i agree
pankkake: though you now have the "unregistered security" added risk
the20year: Even now , if I wanted to be mr legal eagle, I Could use said investment funds to pay for a PPM and get those same fiat investors, and my personal contribution to the whole ordeal is $500
the20year: Not exactly, part of our seed money was to hire a lawyer that knew what he was doing. Sure, we're on slightly risky legal ground, but he already has placed some options available should the SEC call us
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.00092376 = 6.7434 BTC [+]
pankkake: I guess it also allows someone with mainly non-USD fiat to easily invest, too
the20year: Correct, and i'd venture to say before the BF troubles, 95%+ of our investors were outside the US , in risky countries that have a hard time investing
mircea_popescu: Subject: #Notice of appearance in court Order 8389
mircea_popescu: From: "Notice to Appear" <support_888@bakerbotts.com>
mircea_popescu: spammers are getting daring these days
mircea_popescu: "Hereby you are informed that you are due in the court of Houston on the 14 of January, 2014 at 10:00 am for the hearing of your case."
Duffer1: sounds like an accurate "come visit Houston" commercial
Duffer1: that's advertising, not spam
mircea_popescu: right, except it attaches the same dumbass windows-only zip file that's been hitting all the honeypots this past coupla months
mircea_popescu: some kid with a coupla grand decided he's gonna get himself rich online
mircea_popescu: with nothing but faith and this here old pair of underwear.
Duffer1: that's travel itinerary
truffles: everyone with charm should have a crack at fiat :d
Duffer1: it totally won't steal your wallet or anything
mircea_popescu: i'm with truffles (0.0) in that yeah
truffles: everyone isnt charming though, its a skill imo
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 20000 @ 0.000094 = 1.88 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 225 @ 0.00306 = 0.6885 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 250 @ 0.003 = 0.75 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.0491 = 0.982 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0491 = 0.2455 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12966 @ 0.00092332 = 11.9718 BTC [-]
FabianB: hehe
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6961 @ 0.00092376 = 6.4303 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: if indeed gavin's key accidentally expires with no back-ups...
mircea_popescu: seems pretty much where bitcoin is destined to go, really.
mircea_popescu: but for the benefit of all the noobies/forumers/etc that may get to read this : notice dear chitlins how it was the WoT that broke that request ?
mircea_popescu: meditate on this point.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i like your new colors.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 21 @ 0.04901434 = 1.0293 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11000 @ 0.00092219 = 10.1441 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13824 @ 0.00091678 = 12.6736 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00090968 = 9.0968 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1000 @ 0.001 = 1 BTC
ArsKisS: hmm
ArsKisS: that ipo might even sell
ArsKisS: 153k left
ArsKisS: anyway, I keep my money waiting for the drop :P
ArsKisS: funny how so many ipos are so overvaluated
ArsKisS: Cannabit for teh lulz :D
VanCleef: well, when pulling off a bitcoin scam you gotta tkae as many coins as you can
ArsKisS: well.. scam is a bit rough word
mircea_popescu: in general ipos tend to be overvalued because people suffer from a "money on the table" issue.
mircea_popescu: such as, if my "company" may live 10 years and be worth 10 btc, then i'll be damned if i sell for less than 10 btc today
mircea_popescu: notwithstanding that no company to date lived 10 years.
mircea_popescu: and notwithstanding that the only ipo to date to make the owner actually rich (ie, mpoe) actually listed at two degrees of magnitude less than what it sells for.
mircea_popescu: this compounded of course by the fact that there's very few people with any sort of experience or ability in the field of bitcoin finance, and plenty of muppet venues available.
VanCleef: no bitcoin company is going ot last 10 years lol
mircea_popescu: wanna bet ?
VanCleef: yeah but lets not use bitbet its totally shit
mircea_popescu: aite, so what are we using ?
pankkake: define "last"
VanCleef: i'm not locking away btc for 10years on a bet
mircea_popescu: why not ? from experience, the people who did best in btc are those who locked it away.
VanCleef: you'll probably be in jail or dead by then
VanCleef: how will i get paid?
ArsKisS: VanCleef, you actually wanna bet that none of bitcoin companies will live for 10 years?
pankkake: what if mpex is still online, but no one uses it? does that count?
VanCleef: no it doesn't count
VanCleef: noone is using it now
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3532 @ 0.0009147 = 3.2307 BTC [+]
pankkake: well
mircea_popescu: derp lol
mircea_popescu: i take your meaning tho, you will be in jail or dead within the decade, therefore the world doesn't exist and doesn't matter.
mircea_popescu: thanks for making it easy and everything.
pankkake: do you have an exit plan to somalia?
mircea_popescu: getting back to the original point, if no company is making it for 10 years then no company has any business listing.
mircea_popescu: just like if nobody is actually cooking anything as complex as a pizza there's no need for italian pizza ovens
VanCleef: all the ones that are listed now wont be around in 10 years
VanCleef: mostly talking about havelock here
mircea_popescu: VanCleef inasmuch as you limit the statement to "those venues all the forum idiots use", then you're prtobably right.
VanCleef: those too
mircea_popescu: tho statistically there's probably going to be one or two unlikely exceptions
mircea_popescu: that'll look totally obvious in retrospect
VanCleef: 10 years is a very long time in bitcoin world
VanCleef: that's like 100 years
mircea_popescu: only because "bitcoin world" as understood by muppets strictly consists of muppets, who have no intellectual ability to speak of, which limits their cognitive bubble rather severely.
mircea_popescu: but that aside, i know plenty of people with a decade or multi-decade outlook
mircea_popescu: course they're not "in" bitcoin according to... whatever, reddit.
VanCleef: do you mind naming one?
VanCleef: if its okey to share
mircea_popescu: sure. take casares. or take vorhees.
mircea_popescu: plenty more people you should know about as they're public, caldwell, the russian pirate bet guy,
mircea_popescu: i won't name teh private, obviously, but i don't need to for this point either.
VanCleef: hmmm casares and vorhees hey, i'll have a look
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8900 @ 0.00090968 = 8.0962 BTC [-]
ozbot: 1418481395.26264 | Next Diff in 2012 blocks | Estimated Change: 20.0600% in 11d 3h 52m 13s
pankkake: someone got miners for christmas
mircea_popescu: seems so
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 500 @ 0.001 = 0.5 BTC
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 1418481395/118092319
gribble: 12.0116312984
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 1418481395/1180923195
gribble: 1.20116312475
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 1418481395 * 1.20116312475**2
gribble: 2046574817.77
ozbot: BitBet - Bitcoin difficulty at or above 2B before Feb 2014
mircea_popescu: 3.5:1 by now
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16700 @ 0.00091015 = 15.1995 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 779 @ 0.0030002 = 2.3372 BTC [-] {8}
mircea_popescu: needs no more than 18.7% twice
mircea_popescu: or a 20 and a 17.49
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.3099998 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7771 @ 0.0009147 = 7.1081 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ha! "people claim diamonds are forever, yet they're an absolute scam. the same people claim bitcoin is a scam, but really... bitcoin is forever."
kakobreklaa: ah people, last one you want to ask when you want to know about something, is people
kakobreklaa: here they say, you are "as hardworking as an ant"
kakobreklaa: yet they do not know 50% of ant workers pretend to be working their whole life
the20year1: and bitcoins that are lost?
the20year1: in unrecoverable wallets?
kakobreklaa: you cant proove its unrecoverable
pankkake: so ants are like humans?
mircea_popescu: it really makes very little difference whether anyone can or can't use the bitcoins.
mircea_popescu: they're there alright.
kakobreklaa: no i dont think ants are as humans, just humans are dumb
pankkake: in the sense that they pretend to be working
kakobreklaa: the ratio on htat with humans is prolly higher
mircea_popescu: it's not really dumb, for the ants. they didn't ask to be hatched there.
mircea_popescu: the problem with humans is that they ASK to join whatever shit they then don't help with
mircea_popescu: everyone applied & interviewed for the job they aren't doing.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6214 @ 0.00091617 = 5.6931 BTC [+] {2}
the20year1: Technically they're recoverable through brute force, however the resources to do that are immense
truffles: santa where are my presents!
kakobreklaa: the20year but that goes true for lost and non lost coins
truffles: kako :(
kakobreklaa: what i didnt take your presents.
truffles: ure supposed to hand them out though
kakobreklaa: well, wheres the bag, wheres the list?
kakobreklaa: ahhh here is the list, tiber takes the top of naughy boys
truffles: is he the only person u banned?
kakobreklaa: prolly not
the20year1: Any other clairifcation needed on the rentalstarter bond?
truffles: whyd u do it!
kakobreklaa: bribes
truffles: it could be ur good act for 2014, bring back tiber!
truffles: (forgot the spelling)
kakobreklaa: ok, guys, lets vote, type 1 for tib unban, or type 2 for truffles ban
truffles: nooo
truffles: evil
kakobreklaa: you gotta balance it somehow ya know
truffles: clearly the only active around :D
truffles: shortcuts
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.00298988 = 1.4949 BTC [+] {5}
benkay: both!
truffles: there goes that hater
benkay: i maintain my own ignore file tho so it's not as if a t-ban's going to improve my life noticeably.
benkay: tiberius was amazing!
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benkay: amazing troll.
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
benkay: shut up, assbot.
Gotchawallet: kakobreklaa thats a hard decision
truffles: to ignore is to show preference though
truffles: i have none ..
truffles: lets be a happy #assets
Gotchawallet: almost inclined to press 2 so i will not press either because pressing 1 would mean hell
Gotchawallet: is there a 0?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1000 @ 0.001 = 1 BTC
KRS|Gotyawallet: dont worry truffles it'll be okay..
truffles: i know i managed to survive these many years without #assets, dunno how i did
KRS|Gotyawallet: because you aren't a muppet i guess..they're easily spotted here.
KRS|Gotyawallet: at times I may have shown I've been uninformed (ignorant) but my intelligence pulls me through =D
truffles: there is lotta that everywhere
KRS|Gotyawallet: its like information overload..i'm having trouble digesting so much news and information sometimes. hard to keep up with and exhausting. i'm afraid i might miss something so i work real hard at it. the world moves pretty fast.
truffles: it does
KRS|Gotyawallet: i started smoking these e-cigs (vaporizors) this one is english toffee. i like it so far
truffles: trolls prob would help u with filtering, putting them on ignore discourages this skill
KRS|Gotyawallet: yea they do help, anything that floats to the top of their froth seems to be worth looking at for a final decision as to whether its worth my time or not
truffles: sometimes some really smart ppl r so closed-minded or narrow minded and it kinda surprises me too much
mircea_popescu: <KRS|Gotyawallet> its like information overload. << try reading tvtropes sometime
mircea_popescu: my brain is still singed from the last binge
Duffer1: yes it's a cat gif
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] [PAID] 11.75438420 BTC to 14`404 shares, 81605 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] [PAID] 2.57234125 BTC to 331`915 shares, 775 satoshi per share
KRS|Gotyawallet: Tropes Are Tools, not clichés. - this will help me take a more critical approach to media
KRS|Gotyawallet: thanks- looking more into this
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 320 @ 0.0029899 = 0.9568 BTC [+]
KRS|Gotyawallet: yeah truffles you are right about that, i'm not sure what to make of it myself
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14800 @ 0.00090974 = 13.4642 BTC [-] {3}
KRS|Gotyawallet: could be a number of different reasons, imo most of the time it has something to do with their personality type
truffles: easy example, can an intelligent person be racist?
KRS|Gotyawallet: probably
KRS|Gotyawallet: i dont see why not
KRS|Gotyawallet: i saw something on bitcoin tonight on tv- it was amazingly positive- its one of those off-brand "news" broadcasts. I shall see if I can find it.
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
mircea_popescu: truffles intelligent persons have in fact been racist historically.
mircea_popescu: that resolves your q.
truffles: but were they doing so cuz they felt it or cuz of actual goals
mircea_popescu: there's nothing intrinsic to intelligence that prevents racism (as you define it) nor is there in fact anything wrong with racism in principle
mircea_popescu: any more than there's anything wrong with cheese.
truffles: i see something wrong with it, but less so if its a means to an end
pankkake: less so? as in, if racism justifies slavery it's better than racism alone?
mircea_popescu: yes well. cheese is a particular way to process milk. racism is a particular way to process difference.
mircea_popescu: either can be eminently inadequate for a certain purpose or in a given circumstance
truffles: thats where we have prejudice
mircea_popescu: but outside of the agent, his purpose and his circumstances, they're just that, cheese.
truffles: pankkake not necessarily that
VanCleef: i'm cool with racism as long as we can be homophobic too
VanCleef: do you hate gays mircea?
mircea_popescu: VanCleef notrly
mircea_popescu: ok, to make the joke : "i don't hate sick people"
kakobrekla: bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67547.msg4264071#msg4264071
kakobrekla: fuukin http missing stupid browser
VanCleef: i dont like them because they are commiting crimes against nature
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla everything is better witha smaller ammount of http
pankkake: kakobrekla: using Nooble Chrome? :|
truffles: hate is a strong word u know
kakobrekla: pankkake opera
mircea_popescu: fun fact : with internet kid at plastics factory. kid notices large HTPP spelled out somewhere, decides they've misspelled http
kakobrekla: they decided to remove the option to show full url tards.
truffles: i started using opera to get away from firefox, it required too much !
truffles: or rather lacking too much
pankkake: wow, even Opera is removing options now?
kakobrekla: yes i will stop using it prolly
kakobrekla: they made it for retard users
pankkake: the Chrome devs refuse to put an option, and close any bug on the subject without discussion
kakobrekla: you know what is the reasoning for that option removal
kakobrekla: "http or https is too techical for people"
pankkake: it's a fucking option, put it behind an "Avanced do not go there"
pankkake: put it in about:config! oh, wait
kakobrekla: yeah, first place i searched
kakobrekla: but no cigar
pankkake: oh opera has about:config? :)
kakobrekla: its opera:config
kakobrekla: an opera:about
mircea_popescu: so use 7.5 or w/e
mircea_popescu: not like you have to use their most recent brainfuck, or there's any incentive to do so
pankkake: security fixes
kakobrekla: i would have to go way back to get a non sucky version
kakobrekla: which now sucks in other ways.
ozbot: [Direct] Rentalstarter-Bond - Paying WEEKLY interest
the20year1: There's our thread on bitcoin talk
kakobrekla: also i thought their integration of webkit is going to save them
kakobrekla: its looking rather bleek so far
kakobrekla: which makes kako unhappy.
pankkake: KRS|Gotyawallet: lol the investor comments on the bottom look so like the ones of scams
KRS|Gotyawallet: yeah the video is moving
pankkake: why the fuck are they using edison
pankkake: what the fuck is this
KRS|Gotyawallet: probably because its based on electric and not paper
KRS|Gotyawallet: they dont want to put the name 'bitcoin' out there right away because it seems they are offering investment plans on how to invest in it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8958 @ 0.00090955 = 8.1477 BTC [-] {2}
pankkake: brb starting EdisonCoin
pankkake: and its silver to gold TeslaCoin
kakobrekla: make it AC and DC
the20year1: i'm still considering a realestate coin
kakobrekla: just go use ripple or something rather!
ozbot: Frontiers in Zoology | Abstract | Dogs are sensitive to small variations of the Earth's magnetic fie
kakobrekla: Dogs preferred to excrete with the body being aligned along the North-south axis under calm MF conditions.
Duffer1: oh cool
KRS|Gotyawallet: folks within the FED are probably starting to poop their pants a little on the liquid side 1Q14
Duffer1: so do i actually
Duffer1: you know.. just to make it weird
the20year1: KRS|Gotyawallet: what do you mean?
mircea_popescu: if there's anyone left with a working brain over there
mircea_popescu: i dunno... cognitive dissonance kills brain cells
KRS|Gotyawallet: I don't think the FED has ever been under so much attack as this day and age
the20year1: Since induction? I'd agree wholeheartedly
the20year1: People want competetion, competetion brings innovation
KRS|Gotyawallet: thinking everything up until now, but with the addition of digital currency
the20year1: Digital currency is the bigges threat because it's so easy to do, compared to physical stuff
KRS|Gotyawallet: Libertarians, competing foreign currency, digital currency
KRS|Gotyawallet: Inflation
the20year1: granted the late 70s weren't too easy on inflation
KRS|Gotyawallet: that was bad
KRS|Gotyawallet: that+oil crisis was bad
the20year1: 10%+ inflation
the20year1: But alot of people made out like bandits. My grandparents got 5-10 year CD locks at 15%+ interest
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 769 @ 0.00091099 = 0.7006 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: ok im ipoing doge compass
kakobrekla: buy before too late
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 47 @ 0.31365068 = 14.7416 BTC [+] {10}
KRS|Gotyawallet: makes me wonder how my parents did so well..even considering the high unemployment of the early-mid 80's
KRS|Gotyawallet: our generation is now, our generation is virtual currency
the20year1: most of the people i know who were adults during the 80s did extraordinarily well
the20year1: Significantly lower cost of living, easier time getting a job
the20year1: Locally, a typical waitress could go out, and buy a lower end house with a FHA mortgage for her median income, alone
Duffer1: your college degree was actually worth something..
KRS|Gotyawallet: i think early 80's unemplyment in the US was near 14%
the20year1: That too
benkay: and it's not there now?!
the20year1: According to BLS it isn't
KRS|Gotyawallet: Dyffer1 good point- i was shocked after going to college to see just how worthless a degree was..i felt like i wasted my time, but I'm happy to have been educated.
KRS|Gotyawallet: bekay I think its near 8%
the20year1: 1983 it was 10.4%
benkay: dat good old "labor participation" fudge factor
benkay: you guys eat these government employment statistics up wholly credulously
benkay: amazing
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the20year1: laborparticipation is the one standard that hasn't been changed since the 80s
KRS|Gotyawallet: benkay where else can one go for those stats?
the20year1: unemployment I believe has been changed twice
Duffer1: they stop counting those that stop looking (are forced off benefits)
ozbot: Bureau of Labor Statistics Data
benkay: dig into the conspiracy theory areas yourself
KRS|Gotyawallet: the20year1- thanks but see what benkay said
benkay: there are some slim pickings of useful information out there.
the20year1: so what statistics do you believe benkay?
KRS|Gotyawallet: he might be right but i have no comment beyond that
Duffer1: i define unemployment as any mode below personal sustainability
Duffer1: which would include under-employed
truffles: below personal sustainability?
benkay: the whole notion is fucked. there's a generation out there laboring at fast food operations under a few tens of thousands of dollars of debt undertaken for useless degrees.
benkay: but hey they're 'employed'
benkay: it's like counting labor camps in the employment numbers
truffles: everyone cant get that nice office job like u benkay
Duffer1: truffles an amount that can sustain you without forced reliance on a welfare system
truffles: hmmm
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.04900001 = 0.245 BTC [-]
the20year1: the thing is , there are tons of great jobs out there that don't require college degrees
the20year1: I know two guys that have told me more than once, if I wanted to weld/tend oil lines i could start off making $60k-$70k a year
benkay: and zero americans electing to not get degrees.
truffles: via nepotism?
the20year1: they have dozens of jobs available, no one wants them
benkay: precisely. over educated and unwilling to work manual jobs.
the20year1: Within 5 years I'd be making over $100k/yr, if I kept with it
truffles: tend oil lines
the20year1: One is a line manager for one of the largest power co-ops in the US, he can't keep anyone
benkay: yeah man if you like putting your hands on the line every time you go to work
the20year1: even at $25/hr starting pay
truffles: like thats some pretty job omg
benkay: i got out of the atom-smashing business a while ago
benkay: plus you can't smoke pot
the20year1: Trans-state oil lines that run underground, you go from station to station checking readings, making sure lines are being maintained and built
benkay: modern hippies would rather not work than take a job that keeps them off the reefer
kakobrekla: having a job is so nineties
the20year1: correct
truffles: benkay and the20year1 must be trollin now
KRS|Gotyawallet: cant tell which is the troll
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2500 @ 0.000094 = 0.235 BTC [+]
the20year1: My contractor says the same thing, no one wants to work, he approached a half dozen guys who keep complaining about there being no jobs in town. Offered $15/hr starting pay, none would do it
truffles: what town?
truffles: this is like unheard of
the20year1: Central Ohio, about 20mi south of Columbus
KRS|Gotyawallet: that old guy with the spikey white hair has been spotted on the interwebz, sometime during this christmas holiday http://forums.newart.com/phpbb/download/file.php?id=145319&mode=view
truffles: its not detroit at least :D
the20year1: 7.5% unemployment rate, according to bls
KRS|Gotyawallet: is that benkay's bls statistic though
truffles: so these jobs that no one wants are only available in Ohio?
the20year1: I doubt it, the gas line I mentioned runs from colorado to PA
the20year1: and each state needs workers
the20year1: Most of the skilled trades are dying for workers
the20year1: HVAC, plumbing, electrical, auto repair
the20year1: Our median individual income is around $28k/yr , the median plumber rate is $80/hr
pankkake: KRS|Gotyawallet: anyone opening that link at work just lost their jobs. congratulations!
truffles: so ure talking about skilled labor not the jobs that random joes can get
the20year1: The ones that take 6-12 months of on the job training before you have somewhat reasonable skill and can go under a contractor, a few years there and you can write your own ticket
benkay: .bait
benkay: pankkake: same with anyone opening that link. what of it?
ozbot: Timeline Photos
benkay: maybe they should get a job as a welder
the20year1: There's a pretty good bit of information on the problem from mike rowe
the20year1: Around here, if you're a decently skilled welder the rates are ~$100/hr
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2400 @ 0.00091099 = 2.1864 BTC [+]
KRS|Gotyawallet: wow rly lol
KRS|Gotyawallet: most welders don't only weld they are also fabricators and that is why
mircea_popescu: KRS|Gotyawallet> bekay I think its near 8% << depends how you count it
KRS|Gotyawallet: f'n-a i didnt know about the .bait command
the20year1: There's a huge percieved difference between jobs, so much so that people are willing a 50% pay cut for something that they percieve as a good job
KRS|Gotyawallet: me and ozbot need to get a separate room..bbl
mircea_popescu: 8% of the people actively looking for a job can't find one. 30% or so of the people who could work do not
mircea_popescu: part of them through being homeless/bums. part through pretending to be sick.
mircea_popescu: plenty through simply staying off the books
the20year1: For instance, a good friend of mine owned about a dozen subways (Sub shops), and they paid about $8/hr starting wage, work there for a year and you're up to $12 a hour if you don't make management (most do by that point) and you're up to $14
the20year1: no education, 401k, pretty decent work overall
the20year1: They continue to take polls and check data, and every single time workers were asked, they were all willing to quit and change their job to work at a bank for minimum wage, just because of the percieved class difference between fast food and working at a bank
truffles: who are they polling?
the20year1: His employees
truffles: sample size?
the20year1: and he had quite a bit of statistics from various employment firms, since most fast food workers were so transient
the20year1: hundreds
truffles: that is crazy to me
truffles: the list of questions id have to ask is too much to resolve this in my mind, so ill end here :D
the20year1: He's always interesting to talk to, asside from owning a dozen or so subways, the company he ran had gross sales of $30m-$40m a year
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0491 = 0.491 BTC [+]
KRS|Gotyawallet: i tried kraken i hated it
Duffer1: brb mpsex.com
Duffer1: .co
KRS|Gotyawallet: speaking of, is /dtng ever going back online
kakobrekla: whys taht KRS|Gotyawallet
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.00091144 = 5.1041 BTC [+]
ozbot: » Global Warming Scientists Still Trapped In Record-Level Antarctic Ice Alex Jones' Infowars: Ther
kakobrekla: you link infowars, im starting to belive gw is real
pankkake: my source is French, then googled the first stuff I could find. what's infowars?
Duffer1: i'm afraid to load the comments
Duffer1: i can't even remember why i read the whole post..
kakobrekla: u dont know alex jones??
Duffer1: think bat + shit + lsd
truffles: he lives in a cave
pankkake: the name rings a bell
truffles: he's got great energy though
kakobrekla: makes a good sandwitch with keiser
kakobrekla: er, sandwich
ozbot: Alex Jones vs Piers Morgan On Gun Control - CNN 1/7/2013 - YouTube
truffles: i like keiser too :D
Duffer1: dear lord the fail
Duffer1: it makes my soul hurt
kakobrekla: well keiser is funny sometimes but else meh
kakobrekla: alex is just retarded
truffles: no wai man
Duffer1: a retard vs a british pundit talking about american gun control
truffles: alex delivers so many times
kakobrekla: yes that clip is a classic
mircea_popescu: best part about alex jones i discovered is that hes kinda flabby fat
mircea_popescu: nothing funnier than a very excited conspiracy theorist that looks like a bank clerk
kakobrekla: flabby fat?
truffles: yea looks like he eats well
mircea_popescu: need somewhat of a el che look to pull off crazy in a cool way.
kakobrekla: he looks like he eats cocaine only
kakobrekla: oh sorry
Duffer1: he looks so average american it's scary
kakobrekla: i thught you said the other guy
truffles: doesnt coke make u skinny though
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 58 @ 0.31913788 = 18.51 BTC [+] {6}
truffles: 3:00-3:11 is my fav of that clip
kakobrekla: yes, coke = keiser
kakobrekla: thats what i ment
truffles: how many great white sharks kill people etc lol
truffles: he shouldve been a comedian
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6300 @ 0.00091144 = 5.7421 BTC [+]
truffles: i havent seen anyone just shut down piers like alex jones besides jessie ventura
truffles: he just bulldozers guests..
kakobrekla: he says nothing of substane though
kakobrekla: substance
truffles: piers?
kakobrekla: its like a dog barking
truffles: hmmm
Duffer1: piers was more like a dog presenting
kakobrekla: dog who barks doesnt bite
kakobrekla: which barks?
kakobrekla: dunno
kakobrekla: something like that
kakobrekla: could ba a who its a nigga dog
kakobrekla: or a doge dog
truffles: u like that word "nigga" lol
Duffer1: i like how he dismisses gang violence so casually
Duffer1: very well done
Duffer1: i mean really who cares about all them blacks killin eachother
Duffer1: that's not "real" gun violence
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13250 @ 0.00091144 = 12.0766 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 209 @ 0.0029989 = 0.6268 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: i thought most gangs were latino
mircea_popescu: it's kinda funny to watch all the aggitation over the black minority from afar. there's about 50% more latino people in the us, nobody is all too excited about THEIR poor prospects and poor access
truffles: maybe the latino's are shooting the blacks?
mircea_popescu: the blacks speak english at least.
Duffer1: largest is white if you count our police forces
Duffer1: the political discussion when it comes to latinos circles almost exclusively on immigration
Duffer1: centers*
mircea_popescu: white is a solid 75% majority.
mod6: the walls they build to keep out the mexicans will someday keep the fleeing americans out of mexico
mircea_popescu: the nature of walls.
Duffer1: indeed
ohider: whats up
ohider: with EMF weapons who needs walls just tell people what/where to go
ohider: i have an idea that I want to get some feedback on
truffles: EMP?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 200 @ 0.001 = 0.2 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.315 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.3151 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8300 @ 0.00091144 = 7.565 BTC [+]
twizt: god damn
twizt: i set a password so hard on my nick
twizt: i forgot it
truffles: lol story of my life
kakobrekla: you can reset it afaik
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