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Duffer1: "we recently raised nearly 5000 BTC to build a new protocol layer on top of bitcoin."
Bugpowder: sigh. OK I will do my reading…. tx
ThickAsThieves: the best things are always made by contests
Bugpowder: In general I support a development model where people buy-in to the coin via funding its development
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder do the reading, publish the results, get peer reviewed.
mircea_popescu: i support teh model!
Bugpowder: If only I didn't have science to worry about
Bugpowder: sigh
Bugpowder: on my list of shit to do
Bugpowder: wow. 100 master coins were minted per BTC during the kickstarter
Bugpowder: traiding at .23BTC / MSC now
Bugpowder: shit1
Duffer1: trading where?
mircea_popescu: good reason to ignore it, basically.
mircea_popescu: "holy shit, scam X started at y two months ago now it's at y times over nine thousand!!1" pretty much calls for "call me in two years"
kakobrekla: y u no like doge no moar
Bugpowder: waiting for doge to hi 18
Bugpowder: hit 18
Bugpowder: that is the magic doge number
Duffer1: MP is balls deep in doge, only talks shit to get cheaper doge
kakobrekla: at 18 it turns to adult doge?
Duffer1: at least, dats what some1on 4chan sais
Gotchawallet: such investment
BingoBoingo: I though doge's usually died around 15
Bugpowder: I am talking about MSC not MST by the way
Bugpowder: 18 is where the total future market cap = BBQcoin's total future market cap at current valuation.
Bugpowder: since BBQcoin is a worthless coin, yet still has value…
Bugpowder: OK I know that is a stupid analysis
Gotchawallet: arent most of the mastercoin owned by the founders and friends
Gotchawallet: and reeks of centralization
Bugpowder: anyone that participated in the kickstarter… yep
Gotchawallet: thought so..hmm
Bugpowder: doesn't necessarily mean it's not going to become useful
Bugpowder: different jobs could have different types of coins serve them best
Gotchawallet: yea initially it seemed great to me but that turned me off
Duffer1: i didn't read past the part where the ceo introduced himself
mircea_popescu: Duffer1 i r not balls deep in no doge
Duffer1: oh lol ya that came out wrong
Duffer1: multi layered troll
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder so which one is msc ?
Bugpowder: The coloredcions one
ozbot: Mastercoin is a joke : Bitcoin
Duffer1: but like it totally works if like market participants act rationally and in good faith
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 41 @ 0.04999989 = 2.05 BTC [+] {3}
jcpham: good faith eh
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.29873392 = 2.9873 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.3 = 1.5 BTC [+]
benkay: oh it gets worse
benkay: one changes bids in this derpstributed marketplace by simply transmitting another transaction that supersedes the previous bid/ask
benkay: and whichever makes it into the blockchain is nominally the official bid
benkay: thing is a goddamn shitshow
benkay: will gladly fisk to the tune of 1700 words for 1 btc.
Bugpowder: jejej
benkay: how to revoke orders once in blockchain is left as an exercise to the alert reader
benkay: read: it's non trivially parsed from this moronic 'spec'.
mircea_popescu: benkay you should start a blog, charge for credits.
mircea_popescu: basically, you folks are doing all the legwork into figuring this stuff out anyway
benkay: it's almost as though willet et al have heard about a thing called a spec and how some people involved with bitcoin think the cryptocurrency might be better off with a spec than new features, chose to 'implement' a 'spec' that's wholly inadequate to the task at hand
mircea_popescu: publishing the results is really getting mileage out of already sunk in work. otherwise it just rots away
benkay: ya well working with jurov to recoup time investment in parsing mpex complexities
benkay: would be more than happy to parse mastercoin retardities for you for pay
benkay: have no interest in maintaining blog thing
mircea_popescu: you know it's easier to do in retrospect than it looks.
benkay: the little i know about myself and men in general is that we don't tend to have a lot to say on topics of interest to large populations until we hit like thirty five and have a reasonable base of experience from which to generalize
mircea_popescu: you just write a report to yourself, click publish, go on your merry way
mircea_popescu: blogs are not for large populations.
benkay: blogging also turns one into a public persona
mircea_popescu: so does being on irc
benkay: point
benkay: anyways
mircea_popescu: i get it, public speaking is the #1 fear n the english world. nevertheless, step outside of your culture
mircea_popescu: if we can call it that.
benkay: rookie reporter does not start newspaper
mircea_popescu: this is not reporting.
mircea_popescu: you are not writing to an audience. you are writing to yourself.
mircea_popescu: "here is the deal with this X thing afaik"
mircea_popescu: you get very cheap extra research IF anyone ever reads your stuff
mircea_popescu: but that's not why you write. why you write is so that YOU can re-read it if you ever forget wtf X was
benkay: right because there's no textbook for cryptocurrency idiocy
mircea_popescu: what's this, centralisation nao ?
benkay: i can always pull out the dynamics and controls tomes and implement whatever thing i forgot the intricacies of implementing, but i won't always have access to my memories of why mastercoin is completely stupified.
mircea_popescu: you won't.
mircea_popescu: take it from experience, people ask me about 1year+ oldscams i have to review writs
mircea_popescu: scams are eminently forgettable in all those specific details that make discussion possible or worthwhile
mircea_popescu: and stupidity generally goes the same way
benkay: but think you could spend just one bitcoin and get a full report on the derpage, plus some negotiated amount of additional "hey kid you're stupid and didn't look into this enough plz foar to fix"
mircea_popescu: ya but i do not wish to befoul the marketplace of ideas by abusing my financial power.
benkay: :(
Duffer1: pay x to shit all over something that just miiggghhhtt help the overall bitcoin ecosystem?
benkay: you'd befoul the idea marketplace, and defoul the bitcoinscamosystem
mircea_popescu: Duffer1 the helping part is a vanishingly long shot at this point.
Duffer1: mp = rupert murdoch
mircea_popescu: a spiked club colonoscopy could conceivably also help some old geezer
Duffer1: oh i agree
mircea_popescu: if it hits him just right
Duffer1: the same way gay sex can cure constipation?
mircea_popescu: i thought taking it in the pooper made you stop shitting for the dya
Duffer1: benkay coindesk might be interested
Duffer1: dunno if they pay though or if they're the huffpost of cryptoland
benkay: i do so dearly want to associate my name with publications whose trade is which american bitcoin company may or may not be raising another pile of idiot cash this week
ozbot: Community - "Make your money whore." - YouTube
Bugpowder: this is how startups end up working tho. Raise a bunch of money before you have a real product, and try to assemble one before you can't raise an ever increasing sum of money
Duffer1: ^sfw btw
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder hence the crunch.
Bugpowder: Stanford model vs. MIT model. Usually Stanford model does better
Bugpowder: occasionally MIT model makes a tech so awesome that it does change the market
Bugpowder: but usually they fail
mircea_popescu: only if the stanford model is applied to a well controlled environment made out of wasp kids thoroughly acculturated.
mircea_popescu: if the stanford model is exposed to the world the net result is today's us.
mircea_popescu: and as to mit, the "premier engineering school in teh werld", all i have to say is www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIhk9eKOLzQ‎
Duffer1: i'm gonna name my next cat "fuffles"
Bugpowder: by wasp you mean neo-wasp meritistocrats, not WSJ Joe Epstein US was great when WASPs were kings?
mircea_popescu: no, i mean people repressed to the point they actually need marketeers to give them topics for conversation.
mircea_popescu: as they can't, on their own, say hi to a stranger.
mircea_popescu: jerome k jerome's brit turned to 11 basically.
reeses: I always wondered about MIT grads with degrees in the humanities
mircea_popescu: whoa he can talk
chetty: these days not talking to strangers is wisdom, not repression
Bugpowder: Sad thing, the Course 21W major...
mircea_popescu: chetty kids gotta get into trouble tho
reeses: Yep
ozbot: MIT Course Catalog: Degrees Offered in the School of Humanities, Arts, and Social Sciences
mircea_popescu: "Comparative Media Studies" ?
mircea_popescu: is this basically redditderp ?
reeses: we have funny "you *have* to have a college degree!" programs here in the US
reeses: when I was in school I dated a girl whose major was "comparative history of ideas"
reeses: I think it was philosophy-lite
mircea_popescu: that's actually a very respectable postgrad field
reeses: yeah, but this was a school of arts & sciences undergrad
mircea_popescu: nordstrom et al
reeses: which meant she had to take maybe four courses to satisfy the department requirement
mircea_popescu: i realise, they probably raped it to shit
reeses: CHID is an undergraduate major and minor that has been around since 1978. The participating members (students, staff and faculty) of CHID collectively construct a dynamic, creative learning community that mobilizes collective and individual passions. We encourage our members to pursue self-knowledge through participation in the changing world in which their selves are shaped and which they will shape for their own and future generations.
reeses: hahahah
mircea_popescu: this oddly involves no fucking.
reeses: montessori university
mircea_popescu: ok, new definition for wasp : person that reads the above and does not immediately think "so they fuck on campus ?"
reeses: heh
reeses: do wasps still exist?
mircea_popescu: definitely.
Namworld: What's a wasp? My first thought was "You ain't getting a job with that."
reeses: white anglo-saxon protestant
reeses: vestigial ruling class in the US and UK
reeses: preppies are their larval stage
mircea_popescu: a wasp is a kid that grows up principally interracting with his parents, who are overly-intellectual, is never beaten, is carefully kept overclean and never gets to either injure himself or face any real responsibility
mircea_popescu: where real responsibility is that situation where either choice stinks, you gotta pick one and then stick with it, without redemption.
mircea_popescu: if you've ever seen the graduate you get the idea.
reeses: dead poet's society as well
mircea_popescu: ya, weir
mircea_popescu: for that matter, anything with that jew bimbo in it, what's his name
Namworld: I have not. Although it seems by the new definition you gave it, I'm a wasp.
mircea_popescu: Ben Stiller
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0499999 = 0.25 BTC [+]
Bugpowder: that is really not a wasp
ozbot: The Late, Great American WASP - WSJ.com
Bugpowder: but if you want to reappropriate the term, using the W-word as a term of endearment, go ahead.
mircea_popescu: " unless one includes the entity that has come to be known as the meritocracy—presumably an aristocracy of sheer intelligence, men and women trained in the nation's most prestigious schools.
mircea_popescu: lmao, bureaucracy never gets sick of sucking itself off huh
Bugpowder: WASPs play paddle tennis
mircea_popescu: the notion that there'd be a meritocracy in the us is beyond a simple lol
Bugpowder: which I had never fucking heard of till going to my kid's Mommy and Me preschool
Duffer1: yer just jealous of our freedom
mircea_popescu: kinda impossible to have old money in a crooked place, so yeah.
benkay: the wasps are all lifetime government slaves
benkay: i pirated one of their young femmes off in my gypsy joo caravan
benkay: have to self-restrain from mocking the family around said femme
reeses: ping pong is racist
benkay: the best part is how all the women are involved in welfare programs, and all the men in nominal spycraft
Bugpowder: The whitest sport in the world
ozbot: U.S. Open Doubles Paddle Tennis Tournament is this Sat. Sept. 21 : Venice Paparazzi | Venice Beach
mircea_popescu: the spycraft is indeed funny
reeses: holy gay
mircea_popescu: as wasps make notoriously bad spies
reeses: that is pathetic
mircea_popescu: to the degree that there's this old russian joke, goes like this :
reeses: I thought it was 'table tennis'
reeses: not toy raquet tennis
mircea_popescu: usa sends spy to cccp, within a coupla months they realise he'd been ferreted out and fed misinformation since just about day one
reeses: racquet
reeses: no, wasps make great spies
reeses: in the US
reeses: :-)
mircea_popescu: so they send another spy, and... well... same deal. and then more and more. eventually they ask a defector, and the guy smikrs and says "perhaps you might try not sending black people ?"
ozbot: Robert Hanssen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
reeses: ok, he's catholic
ozbot: Elizabeth Bentley - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
reeses: Vassar
Bugpowder: more than US$1.4 million in cash and diamonds over a 22-year period.
Bugpowder: sad really
reeses: yeah
mircea_popescu: that "worst intelligence disaster" has meanwhile been surpassed.
Bugpowder: should have just bought a few BTC
reeses: it's *cheap* to turn people
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder no btc in the 80s
Bugpowder: well whatever people were getting rich off then
Bugpowder: Criminal penaltyLife imprisonment (without parole)
Bugpowder: Might have well been dealing kilos of yayo
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56243 @ 0.00088361 = 49.6969 BTC [+] {2}
ozbot: Earl Edwin Pitts - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
reeses: it's just sad
mircea_popescu: dude, a house in ohio still goes for 20k
mircea_popescu: how much do you figure some guy's ass is worth ?
reeses: hahah, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_American_spies the last section before the references is good
Duffer1: people live in ohio
Bugpowder: My mortgage is bigger than all these dudes payouts… I've been turned by WFC.
Duffer1: mind blown
reeses: $463000 (2013 US dollars)
reeses: (based on Consumer Price Index)
reeses: that will buy a nice 70m^2 apartment here
reeses: maybe
reeses: with a commute and no view
ozbot: 700 Illinois St # 3, San Francisco, CA 94107 is For Sale - Zillow
reeses: hah
mircea_popescu: fascinating to read a 10 year old wsj piece, and discover how it merely sucks as compared to a coupla decades before
mircea_popescu: as opposed to todaqy's indescribable retards of "we've taken a two week master's"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9100 @ 0.00088638 = 8.0661 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 6 @ 0.03666666 = 0.22 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35600 @ 0.00088474 = 31.4967 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.29996988 = 1.1999 BTC [-]
ozbot: Global Warming Expedition Remains Trapped…”No Guarantee” Australian Icebreaker Will Get Throug
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.29989995 = 0.5998 BTC [-] {2}
kakobrekla: 19 mio sent from stamp to bermudas
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25612 @ 0.00088708 = 22.7199 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12188 @ 0.00088708 = 10.8117 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25100 @ 0.000892 = 22.3892 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24071 @ 0.00089309 = 21.4976 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5800 @ 0.000892 = 5.1736 BTC [-]
ArsKisS: on what terms does the bot publish those?
ArsKisS: I'm new here so..
mircea_popescu: what do you mean terms
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5800 @ 0.00089369 = 5.1834 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 11 @ 0.02194999 = 0.2414 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13012 @ 0.000892 = 11.6067 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 41999 @ 0.00288 = 120.9571 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15440 @ 0.00088444 = 13.6558 BTC [-]
ozbot: I only very rarely read people here talk about Predictious or other prediction markets. Is it becaus
ThickAsThieves: "Because they're centralized. Decentralized prediction markets are going to be available in a couple months. Why risk it on some site that can get hacked, seized or turn out to be a scam."
ThickAsThieves: bitbet was fun while it lasted, sorry guys
ThickAsThieves: "The idea of a decentralized market is that it allows anyone anonymous but with accrued and verifiable reputation to be the arbiter and/or market maker of any particular market, while he stays safe from sabotage."
chetty: sounds very messy
ArsKisS: mircea_popescu, how does the bot sort out when to publish? some certain volume or what kind of criteria?
ThickAsThieves: it's time-based i think arskiss
ThickAsThieves: of course the algo changing the price is a diff question
ArsKisS: umm
ArsKisS: you mean it publishes last trade of every stock for like hourly?
ThickAsThieves: oh you mean the announcements in this channel?
ThickAsThieves: they happen live
ThickAsThieves: they are grouped by the minute i think
ThickAsThieves: and trades under a certain value arent shown
ThickAsThieves: like .01 or something, kakobrekla had better details
ArsKisS: ah, ok
ArsKisS: thanks for explaining
ArsKisS: I've been wondering a while how it sorts out when to announce and when not
ArsKisS: certainly can't be announcing all trades :D
ThickAsThieves: it used to
ArsKisS: must be flood :D
ThickAsThieves: during much busier times too
ArsKisS: sounds evil
ThickAsThieves: its not bad really
ThickAsThieves: but better like this
ArsKisS: agree
ArsKisS: btw what do you guys think about seedcoin?
ThickAsThieves: what do YOU think about it
ArsKisS: well, I just started seeing what's inside
ThickAsThieves: i met the Hive people once, they seem to have their act together
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 330 @ 0.00290998 = 0.9603 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.0499999 = 0.35 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: but otherwise, I know nothing of the Seedcoin manager, so it's hard for me to count on him to choose and make good deals
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28200 @ 0.00088727 = 25.021 BTC [+]
ArsKisS: this might be bad ass site if they get traffic
mikaeldice: How can I confirm and test (on the endpoint) the connection to the DH?
mikaeldice: Also, can you provide some query commands to check overall health of Access
mikaeldice: Control?
mikaeldice: I am relatively new in this role and am only aware of policyfetcher.log
mikaeldice: Are there any quick reference guides you can recommend? I have tried to look
mikaeldice: at the full guides but am getting a little lost on how to translate them and
mikaeldice: relate them to my environment.
mikaeldice: Sorry
Gotchawallet: hmm derivatives
mikaeldice: whoops
ArsKisS: derp?
mikaeldice: Yeah, derped.. Right clicked the wrong window :P
mikaeldice: Thankfully no client data in there
ArsKisS: one thing about seedcoin that I'm pretty sure of is that it will after the IPO
ArsKisS: anyone disagrees for a good reason? :P
ArsKisS: it will dive
ArsKisS: how can I lose a whole word by typo :O
pankkake: see Dealcoin by the same guys
mikaeldice: 10k BTC seems a high valuation
mikaeldice: You'd think people would rather invest in the individual startups themselves, given that there's little mentioned regarding the fund operator's experience or past results
ArsKisS: yup
ArsKisS: I'd rather invest straight to btc.sx or cryptopay
VanCleef: lol 10k btc
VanCleef: id rather delete my wallet.dat file
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.29102002 = 0.582 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.29000002 = 2.32 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25200 @ 0.00088444 = 22.2879 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.00290999 = 1.455 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16300 @ 0.00088444 = 14.4164 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ArsKisS there's a streaming chan wiuth al;l trades
mircea_popescu: mikaeldice investing directly is much like shooting porn directly. you need an erection and you need to not be camera shy
ThickAsThieves: and someone to screw
mircea_popescu: rarely a problem, that
mircea_popescu: buy a bottle of wine, you're good to go
VanCleef: put a small chilie in your ass and you're good to go
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 173 @ 0.00290999 = 0.5034 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31050 @ 0.00088442 = 27.4612 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.29989998 = 2.3992 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 2100 @ 0.001 = 2.1 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45188 @ 0.00088947 = 40.1934 BTC [+] {3}
deadweasel: lol, hack.bat
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1889 @ 0.001 = 1.889 BTC
ozbot: BBC News - Cash machines robbed with infected USB sticks
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 10000 @ 0.001 = 10 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1000 @ 0.001 = 1 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00291 = 0.291 BTC [+]
pankkake: I thought autorun on usb keys was disabled
pankkake: unless they're using very old windows versions. oh wait… that's what they do
pankkake: anyway, title should be "dollar hacked, loses value overnight"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20307 @ 0.00089451 = 18.1648 BTC [+] {2}
ThickAsThieves: sounds like the hackers knew the machine well
ThickAsThieves: probly former workers
VanCleef: can anyone explain what really happened to bitfunders users coins?
ThickAsThieves: Ukyo can
Ukyo: thats a simple answer. they were transfered to weexchange
VanCleef: his explanation is "they are just gone, this is a fact"
VanCleef: and then?
Ukyo: thats not what I said.
Ukyo: I said that are not available.
Ukyo: and that is a fact.
Ukyo: anywho, back to working on the amportal
VanCleef: but that doesn't actually explain anything
VanCleef: your reason for why bitfunderes users coins are not avilable is because they are not available lol
ThickAsThieves: you act like youll magicaly get an answer now
ThickAsThieves: magically
VanCleef: let me put it this way
pankkake: he asked "can anyone" - maybe others do
ThickAsThieves: i'd like to know WHEN we'll get the real story
ThickAsThieves: or what conditions must be met to get it
pankkake: not that the why really matters… scammer or incompetent, it's a very thin line nowadays
VanCleef: say my friend gave me a million dollars in a bag and dropped it to my house to watch it for him and he'll be back in a week. Then i go out and have a crazy week or maybe i call my friend and ask him to sneak into my house at night and steal the bag. Now, my other friends comes back a week later to pick up the bag. But there is no bag and he asks me what happened and i say i dont know its just not here anymore.
ThickAsThieves: except that's not the case
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 300 @ 0.002919 = 0.8757 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 152 @ 0.00189887 = 0.2886 BTC [+] {2}
VanCleef: i think i owe it to my friend to say to him "look i was a dickhead and i spent the million dollars, i'm sorry"
ThickAsThieves: i'm not gonna bother speculating as to what may complicate things to be like they are
ThickAsThieves: but they are this way nonetheless
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 90 @ 0.00219555 = 0.1976 BTC [+] {2}
VanCleef: its just a huge mindfuck that's all
pankkake: why?
VanCleef: i really hope there is a real explanation of what really happened oneday when the time is right
Ukyo: agreed.
ThickAsThieves: i can appreciat ethat
ThickAsThieves: no closure for many of the bitcoin losses like these
VanCleef: if Ukyo promises to do that i will stop
ThickAsThieves: Ukyo is making a point of leaving hope on the table
Ukyo: thats been the promise all along VanCleef
VanCleef: ok good
VanCleef: i will stop for now then and let you get on with it
ThickAsThieves: itll be nice to get these AM shares
ThickAsThieves: and the back divs
ThickAsThieves: what do you guys think about the bitcoin ATM business
VanCleef: have you seen those people at airports ThickAsThieves were you can go exchange different currencies?
VanCleef: i would liek to do something similar like that with a person instead of an ATM
pankkake: can you get cash for bitcoins, or can only buy?
ThickAsThieves: yeah they are a ripoff
ThickAsThieves: both pankkake
pankkake: oh… now that is more interesting
VanCleef: or a drone :P
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 3683 @ 0.001 = 3.683 BTC
pankkake: and no one is trying to stop it? :)
VanCleef: btc drones are the future :P
ThickAsThieves: they are uglier than the Lamassu
ThickAsThieves: but probably a better experience
ozbot: Bitcoin Soda Machine | Make your soda machine take Bitcoins today.
ThickAsThieves: lamassu looks too easy to rob
ThickAsThieves: robocoin is 750lbs
VanCleef: lamassu would be good to have in 7-11's or something
ThickAsThieves: put one in every pawn shop?
ThickAsThieves: or jeweler
ThickAsThieves: where do 25-45yo yuppies feel safe and frequent
pankkake: starbucks
ThickAsThieves: thatd be tough
ThickAsThieves: i could probly strike a deal with a business owner to host one
ThickAsThieves: but not a franchise
ThickAsThieves: at least not yet
pankkake: only joking, these are terrible places, but that answers your question :p
ThickAsThieves: it does?
pankkake: "where do 25-45yo yuppies feel safe and frequent"
ThickAsThieves: well we're narrowing it down then
ThickAsThieves: to establishments that may accept a fledgling bitcoin ATM service
ThickAsThieves: so that rules out banks too
pankkake: otherwise, shops, any place where there are ATMs already
ThickAsThieves: i dont think it translates
ThickAsThieves: this is an invetsment, like gold
ThickAsThieves: its not like ATMs for cash
Gotchawallet: 7-11 = southland corporation I did some contract work for them on behalf of hewlett packard. They are "very" open minded about any revenue making opportunities. Their current machines are called 'vcom' and are pretty obnoxious. they're a *huge* franchise.
ThickAsThieves: would you bring $5000 to a 7-11?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 500 @ 0.001 = 0.5 BTC
Gotchawallet: eh? i have before as in cash in pocket..what do you mean?
pankkake: http://www.compte-nickel.fr/ is a new French alternative to banks, and their distribution network is tobacco shops (who sell a bunch of other things, it's a "french thing")
ThickAsThieves: i mean it could work
ThickAsThieves: on sheer volume
ThickAsThieves: bitcoin isnt popular enough
ThickAsThieves: it needs to be more of a destination
Gotchawallet: it has to have capabilities other than bitcoin at least initially
ThickAsThieves: pankkake, yeah see i like that
ThickAsThieves: gotta reframe it
Gotchawallet: maybe bitcoin + atm
ThickAsThieves: not an option currently
Gotchawallet: bitcoin + atm + photo lab + video rental
ThickAsThieves: bitcoin and auto parts
Gotchawallet: and dry cleaning
Gotchawallet: anyway thats my .02 but great brainstorming love it
pankkake: get a bitcoin paper wallet with your picture on it?
ThickAsThieves: so far i like: current buy gold shops, jewelers, pawn shops
Gotchawallet: "buy gold" stores would make a lot of sense
ThickAsThieves: none of those quite tap into the tech audience
Gotchawallet: and why cant they be sold via a website again?
ThickAsThieves: how do we tie Gold shops with tech with investing
ThickAsThieves: HR Block?
ThickAsThieves: wives make the financial decisions right?
ThickAsThieves: totally untapped market
ThickAsThieves: [12:51] <Gotchawallet> and why cant they be sold via a website again? <<< because that market is saturated
ThickAsThieves: and that's more work
ThickAsThieves: Video Game stores
ThickAsThieves: get the store to accept em too
pankkake: it's a dying business, which is good
ThickAsThieves: Apple stores would be perfect
ThickAsThieves: fat chance
pankkake: lol, so many reasons it will not happen
ThickAsThieves: there's a plaza in jacksonville with a video game shop AND a Jeweler
ThickAsThieves: and a bank!
ThickAsThieves: and a Buy Gold shop
ThickAsThieves: thats whats up
deadweasel: TAT, put them in Pawn Shops
Gotchawallet: i likes
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.02291159 = 0.1146 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 8 @ 0.02341121 = 0.1873 BTC [+] {3}
benkay: !l m s.mpoe
assbot: Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.00089451 BTC [+]
benkay: ;;ticker --btcavg
gribble: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Mtgox. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure the code (1 more message)
benkay: ;;ticker --market btcavg
gribble: BitcoinAverage BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 761.98, Best ask: 764.18, Bid-ask spread: 2.20000, Last trade: 762.4, 24 hour volume: 33352.24, 24 hour low: None, 24 hour high: None, 24 hour vwap: 749.07
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 195 @ 0.00292 = 0.5694 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 47 @ 0.002929 = 0.1377 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2789 @ 0.00008037 = 0.2242 BTC [-] {9}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 574 @ 0.00292532 = 1.6791 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35123 @ 0.00089778 = 31.5327 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 80 @ 0.0027 = 0.216 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.29 = 0.58 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SMG] 2999 @ 0.00012599 = 0.3778 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 132 @ 0.00291 = 0.3841 BTC [-]
benkay: hey nerds y'all gotta check out floobits
Gotchawallet: thats tight
benkay: fucking legit, too.
Gotchawallet: seems legit
benkay: homie's hacking in sublime and i'm watching in emacs
benkay: handoff is seamless
benkay: text propagates in all directions
Gotchawallet: i dont want a fawking plan tho i want teh source
Gotchawallet: so i can host, market and resell for leet profits
benkay: this isn't open source
benkay: this is SAAS
benkay: (like sparta)
thestringpuller: you can do the same shit with screen
thestringpuller: niggas can hack in on a box
thestringpuller: in vim or whatever and you can watch in another screen session :P
benkay: good luck hooking designers into that
thestringpuller: fuck the designers
thestringpuller: they don't deserve gucci suits
thestringpuller: and gator boots
thestringpuller: maybe I'll oblige their pull requests
pankkake: there's gobby, but it sucks
pankkake: ah, a vim plugin
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 2000 @ 0.001 = 2 BTC
ArsKisS: hmm
ArsKisS: people seem to actually buy that Seedcoin ipo
ArsKisS: 1197225 / 1500000 bought
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26269 @ 0.00090055 = 23.6565 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.286 = 0.572 BTC [-]
twizt: sup n00bins
nubbins`: not much
nubbins`: just stained my cuticles a lovely Pantone 7467 U
nubbins`: looking forward to having teal fingers for the next two weeks ;(
ThickAsThieves: that a blue?
nubbins`: yeah, greenish blue
ThickAsThieves: i used to know so many by heart
nubbins`: equal parts green and process blue
nubbins`: 1:1 with mixing white
nubbins`: in a nice creamy matte base
ThickAsThieves: also memorized the "real" colors people want to change them to
ThickAsThieves: like when people want 480 in paper
ThickAsThieves: they always complain
ThickAsThieves: gotta give em 1797
ThickAsThieves: assuming this is eyeballing clients
ThickAsThieves: rather than corporate, etc
ThickAsThieves: (i'm talking process, sorry)
nubbins`: i'm lucky to receive artwork with fucking spot colors
ThickAsThieves: i never actually worked with spots directly
nubbins`: let alone specifying pantones
nubbins`: i tell ya, you're not a graphic designer until you've worked in print
nubbins`: the shortcuts people take
nubbins`: "the printer will figure it out"
ThickAsThieves: i worked in print, just not paper
ThickAsThieves: well, not proce
nubbins`: ah, same diff. coated vs uncoated ;)
ThickAsThieves: worked at newspaper, large format, but never a press
nubbins`: altho there's a surprising difference between the two
ThickAsThieves: i toured a few shops
ThickAsThieves: as a client
nubbins`: we actually have use for both uncoated and coated colors, which is a bit of a rarity, i think
nubbins`: uncoated for all our flatstock
nubbins`: coated for fabric
nubbins`: you may appreciate this, actually
nubbins`: last poster print we did
ozbot: Hey Rosetta show poster - pictures and thoughts
nubbins`: er sorry
ozbot: Hey Rosetta show poster - pictures and thoughts
ThickAsThieves: good job
ThickAsThieves: i couldnt do it
ThickAsThieves: i'm done wrestling printers
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.05 = 0.5 BTC [+]
nubbins`: i almost gave it up today
nubbins`: but that describes like 150 days out of every year
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0495 = 0.1485 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.28511037 = 0.5702 BTC [-]
deanclkclk: question to you folks..is BTC-e.com an legal entity?
kakobrekla: prolly
mike_c: they are russian. that feels like an anwer.
mike_c: *answer
benkay: "legal entity"
benkay: well they exist, and they do bitcoin. fiat governments are going to learn soon how difficult it can be to fuck with bitcoin companies that are dedicated to stay beyond their grasp.
mike_c: putin will fuck with whoever he wants.
kakobrekla: its easy to shutdown btc-es banks prolly
mike_c: he will steal their super bowl rings
kakobrekla: and i doubt they will have personal accounts for that amounts even in russia
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 233 @ 0.00294334 = 0.6858 BTC [+] {3}
benkay: btc-e takes fiat deposits?
benkay: dag well i guess they're coupled to the old world then huh
kakobrekla: has been doing so for a long time afaik
benkay: yeah i must have been thinking about some other sexchange.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0495 = 0.2475 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27000 @ 0.00089664 = 24.2093 BTC [-]
pankkake: ATF is a fun agency name. it sounds like "banning everything fun"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 338 @ 0.00295 = 0.9971 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 427 @ 0.001 = 0.427 BTC
deanclkclk: my point is..is BTC-E compliant with anti money laundering?
deanclkclk: or I"m thinking that in mother russia..it's more lax when it comes to that
deanclkclk: @ mike_c
deanclkclk: @ kakobrekla
kakobrekla: <deanclkclk> my point is..is BTC-E compliant with anti money laundering?
kakobrekla: #bitcoin-standup
deanclkclk: @ kakobrekla hmm
deanclkclk: I wanted to create an exchange but, I don't want to comply with anti money laundering
deanclkclk: because, it takes away anonymity from my clients
kakobrekla: I want four chicks on my dick but only one fits
mike_c: "Part of the FINCEN guidelines are establishing a sufficient anti money laundering program. BTC-e has none." < from random internet poster. fwiw.
kakobrekla: im sorry were we not playing "i want" game?
deanclkclk: kakobrekla: your dick is either too big or too small
kakobrekla: i think the problem is in the vaginas
kakobrekla: but yeah
deanclkclk: well ..I'm not in the US but, my country has a law similar
deanclkclk: so I have to comply
mike_c: i want a turnkey hack-proof web server.
mike_c: let me know when it arrives.
deanclkclk: an exchange mike_c ?
kakobrekla: i want to win i want game
mike_c: no, web server. i am sick of sys-admin'ing.
kakobrekla: hire someone
mike_c: hah. anyone i would trust more than me I couldn't afford.
kakobrekla: thats too bad
mike_c: yes. stop ruining my 'i want'.
kakobrekla: im not ruining, im addint to yours, now you also have the "i want a sysadmin who i can trust, for a buck" card
mike_c: hehe
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.286 = 0.572 BTC [+]
deanclkclk: twizt: are you around?
Duffer1: dean you want to create a fiat/btc exchange?
kakobrekla: its easy, with a string and two cans you can match bitstamp
kakobrekla: and throw in another string
kakobrekla: you can beat them.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 27 @ 0.09999612 = 2.6999 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 18 @ 0.1 = 1.8 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.28800001 = 0.864 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.1 = 0.2 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 135 @ 0.00295 = 0.3983 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.29 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 24 @ 0.1 = 2.4 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.29 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5500 @ 0.00090455 = 4.975 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 8 @ 0.1 = 0.8 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.02389999 = 0.239 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 50 @ 0.00324 = 0.162 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 200 @ 0.001 = 0.2 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 47 @ 0.00324 = 0.1523 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19697 @ 0.0009026 = 17.7785 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2403 @ 0.00089804 = 2.158 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 65 @ 0.002498 = 0.1624 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24428 @ 0.00090501 = 22.1076 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.29 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14850 @ 0.00090407 = 13.4254 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.29979921 = 1.1992 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 18 @ 0.29989997 = 5.3982 BTC [+] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.13 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 12 @ 0.13883333 = 1.666 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0495 = 0.2475 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21550 @ 0.00090628 = 19.5303 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 3 @ 0.038 = 0.114 BTC [-]
benkay: ;;calc .001 * 107230
gribble: 107.23
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.2999 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.29999 = 1.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9350 @ 0.00090326 = 8.4455 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 13 @ 0.30999989 = 4.03 BTC [+] {2}
rbonestell: I'm looking for unofficial Havelock portfolio Android app alpha users to provide feedback! Join this group for early alpha download access from Google Play: https://plus.google.com/u/0/communities/110407867246135171194
Duffer1: don't they have an official app?
rbonestell: Not to my knowledge, there is another unofficial app but it costs 0.99$ and wasn't to my liking.
rbonestell: Here's what myHavelock looks like: http://i.imgur.com/3tFyqv9.png
Duffer1: cool
Duffer1: ;;gpg ident rbonestell
gribble: Nick 'rbonestell', with hostmask 'rbonestell!~rbonestel@ip98-165-204-38.ph.ph.cox.net', is not identified.
rbonestell: ;;gpg
gribble: Error: "gpg" is not a valid command.
rbonestell: I'm not familiar with gribble yet :)
Duffer1: google search bitcoin-otc and bitcoin web of trust
rbonestell: oh, that's cool!
rbonestell: This is what I love about the bitcoin community, all the innovation
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