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toffoo: KRS|Gotyawallet this https://www.btcxchange.ro
KRS|Gotyawallet: india too it seems
KRS|Gotyawallet: Cont nou
KRS|Gotyawallet: btcxchange is a nice site
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8000 @ 0.00086864 = 6.9491 BTC [+]
Vexual: did i have a moment with truffles? i'm loathe to check
Duffer1: i don't think it counts if they don't touch
Duffer1: oh wait what are we talking about?
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Vexual: icould consult my inner basho and write a haiku
Duffer1: i'd say it was a moment if you're thinking of how to capture it in haiku
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Vexual: how are you disabled duffer?
Duffer1: it's a few things
Duffer1: acute panic disorder
Duffer1: severe generalized anxiety disorder
Vexual: shit
Duffer1: and reactive hypoglycemia that compounds the effects of the above two
Vexual: so you just sit around and smoke hooter and everythings cool then?
Duffer1: actually weed sets me off instantly
Vexual: with the anxiety?
Duffer1: ya, it's a guaranteed severe panic attack if i even smell weed
Vexual: i think jesus did a wine too
Vexual: do you like a drink?
Duffer1: same thing with that as well, can't even eat stuff cooked with alcohol
Vexual: a soothing pat?
Duffer1: phobia creation is a side effect of having severe panic reactions in some situations
Duffer1: hehe
Duffer1: if i don't have to leave my house for it then ya that's ok :P
Vexual: lol
Vexual: i hear that
Vexual: i thought you might have been legless or somesuch
Duffer1: ya people who deliver pizza to me, no idea at all
Vexual: legless might be easier a lot of the time i imagine
Duffer1: i wouldn't want to find out hehe
Duffer1: but ya i do miss college
Duffer1: and women
Vexual: u seem pretty relexed about it for a guy with anxiety issues
Duffer1: that's exactly it
Vexual: fuck mano, u didnt get a phobia of women did u?
Duffer1: no lol just no opportunity you know?
Vexual: yah well thats okay
Vexual: my alcoholism does the same
Duffer1: but i don't process anxiety or panic like a normal person, so i'm totally fine if my neighbors house is on fire
Duffer1: but tell me we need to drive on the highway to get somewhere and i'll freak the fuck out
Duffer1: ouch that's a rough one
Vexual: i understand, its a hyper version of normal human shit
Duffer1: if i panicd like normal people i might not have taken such a massive loss on that labcoin scam, panic sold with everyone else
Duffer1: do you AA?
Vexual: no i met some hot 18yo lezzos coming out of an aa meeting once and thought about it, but australia is a bit like russia, it's pretty easy to function as an alcoholic
Duffer1: there's usually something underlying the addiction and it's almost always depression, functional or not AA can change your life
Vexual: 15 of em, no blokes
Vexual: even in that state, i knew it would only make things worse
Duffer1: i'd like very much to be in a room with 15 ladies that have something in common with me :P
Vexual: yeah, that was my first thought
Duffer1: damn man, try a different meating, easier said than done i know
Duffer1: meeting
Vexual: well if im not going to the hot lezzo meeting, im not going to any meeting
Duffer1: do you have a sponsor?
Vexual: no, i drink
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.297 = 5.94 BTC [+]
Duffer1: man i'd be the shittiest sponsor
Vexual: you stay home, no problemas
Vexual: i don't know if aa even exists in australia outside of innercity lezzo sex parties
Duffer1: home is prison, with 24hr internet
Vexual: did u hear theres money on the internet now?
Duffer1: haahahahah
Vexual: yeah buttcoin
Duffer1: i heard it's ponzi
Duffer1: tulip pyramid scam
Vexual: well i heard that, but i also heard that a bunch of people got an arseload a few years ago, now they're minted
Vexual: fuckin internet eh?
Duffer1: that'll never be popular
Vexual: yeah internet money is doomed
Duffer1: doesn't even have a central issuing authority
Vexual: prolly attract all kinds of weirdos
Duffer1: i don't think we can make fun of that one... :P
Duffer1: :( hah
Vexual: u wait
Vexual: when the unwashed masses arrive
Vexual: noone can say what will happen
Duffer1: i suspect we'll find out in 2014
Vexual: well im not in a hurry for apple to take bitcoin off ignore
Duffer1: i don't they will until they believe they have a way to control
Vexual: well they will have a plan to move from disturb to integrate
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Duffer1: i don't think*
Duffer1: it won't work, but will be amusing to watch them try
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9900 @ 0.00084872 = 8.4023 BTC [-]
Vexual: theyll just be working out how much trust they can save in the processof fucking people
Vexual: 1.0 in 2014 u think?
Duffer1: 1.0?
Vexual: bitcoin
Vexual: le foundation'
Duffer1: hehe
Duffer1: if that was a bitbet i wouldn't put money on either side
Vexual: well for the journalists on the channel, i think 0.9 is being touted as something solid
Vexual: one could eat for a month with genius like that
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Vexual: tulip bulbs and onions, payday soup!
Duffer1: are you a day trader?
Vexual: no, im a poor gambler, with the alcohol and everything
Vexual: et ou?
Vexual: are you?
Duffer1: well not really
Vexual: u play dollars?
Duffer1: i speculate with 1 btc
Duffer1: flipping ltc on btc-e
Duffer1: during huge moves
Vexual: oh nice
Vexual: i play a little, but im aware of my limitations
Duffer1: just-dice?
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Vexual: i have tried it yes
Vexual: dogecoin paid for the radeons again
Vexual: that was nice
Duffer1: o.0
Duffer1: lol grats man
Duffer1: did you get in on earthcoin?
Vexual: no
Duffer1: ya it's pretty shocking what people will pay for
Vexual: i dont think amd will ver have a week like last week, for the week
Duffer1: makes me wish i had amd stock hehe
Vexual: :)
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Duffer1: it's like a golden goose just flew into their life
Duffer1: i'd be surprised if they aren't designing miner specific cards right now
Duffer1: maybe full rigs
Vexual: im hoping to buy some of friedcat's march stuff and find somewhere to steal power, i think mining is coming back
Vexual: or not, who knows
Duffer1: isn't that still just 40nm?
Vexual: prolly i dunno
Vexual: hes pointing at some pretty shit hot power ratios
Duffer1: .bait
Vexual: i think the cubes were the only thing he sold so far that could make money on the real chain huh?
Duffer1: oo not sure
Vexual: theres always an alt, but it feels wrong
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Vexual: dogecoin sure was a nobrainer tho, people love that shit
Vexual: fucked hobos in the altchain
Vexual: theylla all die, we only need two
Vexual: bc and lc
Duffer1: i'd like to have a setup to grind off the next new coin
Vexual: dont bother
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Vexual: your time is better spent doing something else
Duffer1: hehe
Vexual: noones gonna fuck a cat coin
Duffer1: nyancoin
Duffer1: makes me want to cry
Vexual: even if you slammed that doge all week on new radeons, u might have made $20 on each card
Duffer1: oh ya i wouldn't mine any of those crap coins for more than a couple days after launch
Vexual: still feels wrong
Vexual: ive never had an asic
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Duffer1: same
Vexual: well get that big weapon and mine it
Vexual: someones gotta
Duffer1: i'd rather own shares in the companies making the hardware
Duffer1: except maybe a couple scrypt rigs
Vexual: unless youre getting 4 4k panels, then buy all the video cards u like
Vexual: difficulty is going to alpha centuri in 2014
Duffer1: yep
Vexual: and miners keep saying prices drive mining
dj_jazzy_jeff_: this fontas pump is absolutely ridiculous
dj_jazzy_jeff_: unfortunately holding fiat
dj_jazzy_jeff_: totally pissed
dj_jazzy_jeff_: just lost a lot of money
Vexual: im alergic to twitter, whats the hap?
benkay: ridiculous and yet holding flat
dj_jazzy_jeff_: no twitter action as far as i know
dj_jazzy_jeff_: benkay, bc its gonnna crash man
benkay: it always does
dj_jazzy_jeff_: i don't ever buy into a pump its just not smart move, alecpap we share the same name
benkay: it always crashes
benkay: it always to the moon
Vexual: as long as you can afofrd an eight ball of crystal youll be fine jeff
benkay: fuck bitches, get bitcoin. daytrading's for shitheels who can't promote bitcoin into their wallets by driving back the forces of entropy.
Vexual: whaa?
dj_jazzy_jeff_: Vexual, lol eight ball of crystal
Vexual: did you eat the turkish bread ben10?
dj_jazzy_jeff_: benkay ive been trying to day trade.. .done terribly
Vexual: yah see jazzy jeff gets it
benkay: he will when he does
Vexual: thing with day trading jazzy...
Vexual: i find someones always better at it
Vexual: its all a grand tapestry
ozbot: Erykah Badu- Back in the day - YouTube
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dj_jazzy_jeff_: vexual, dude srsly once this crashes and I eat this loss. I'm done. just holding.
Vexual: u wanna vape meth thats your business
benkay: just for you baby
dj_jazzy_jeff_: finally crashing
Vexual: is it waltzing matilda?
dj_jazzy_jeff_: fucking douchebag fountas
Vexual: thats way better than waltzing matilda ben10
Duffer1: what was the fontas pump jj?
Vexual: ask truffles about body scan
Vexual: fuck
Vexual: wrong window
benkay: truffles tell me about body scan
benkay: !b4
benkay: fuuuuuuuuuuuck.
Vexual: learn affect effect
monolithik: anyone here bored and want to try trading a colored coin on testnet
ozbot: The Verve Already There - Camden Town Hall 1992 - YouTube
Duffer1: sorry mono, sleep time for duffer
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Vexual: haiku time
dj_jazzy_jeff_: monolithik i'll trade
Vexual: testnet feel autumnal
Vexual: faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaark!
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ozbot: Les Rythmes Digitales - (Hey You) What's That Sound? - YouTube
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jurov: ;;estiamte
gribble: Error: "estiamte" is not a valid command.
jurov: ;;estimate
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 1302001923.11 based on data since last change | 1249173353.39 based on data for last three days
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FabianB_: "Today bitcoin is an amazing protocol, but the only asset you can hold on bitcoin is the BTC. With ColoredCoins people can hold assets like Gold, Euro, USD and different securities on the same decentralized secure cloud platform."
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
FabianB_: since when is bitcoin a cloud platform?
pankkake: everything is the cloud as long as you say cloud
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1000 @ 0.001 = 1 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14600 @ 0.00084696 = 12.3656 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 106 @ 0.00279998 = 0.2968 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3427 @ 0.00012 = 0.4112 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 268 @ 0.00279998 = 0.7504 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 1175 @ 0.00156963 = 1.8443 BTC [-] {19}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 136 @ 0.00293999 = 0.3998 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.297 = 2.376 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00293999 = 0.294 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 200 @ 0.0033 = 0.66 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 9243 @ 0.00010175 = 0.9405 BTC [-] {10}
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46600 @ 0.00084774 = 39.5047 BTC [-] {4}
KRS|Gotyawallet: Ok, so the chinks finally did it..
Apocalyptic: they stole burnside's code
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 72 @ 0.00294 = 0.2117 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19750 @ 0.00084526 = 16.6939 BTC [-]
KRS|Gotyawallet: damn bootleggers..but they make good food.
KRS|Gotyawallet: hell they have to if they can make cat and dog taste good.
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.30000035 = 0.9 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 300 @ 0.00284445 = 0.8533 BTC [+] {6}
KRS|Gotyawallet: ;;seen pirateatforty
gribble: I have not seen pirateatforty.
KRS|Gotyawallet: ;;seen apirateatforty
gribble: I have not seen apirateatforty.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 89 @ 0.00293999 = 0.2617 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 58 @ 0.05 = 2.9 BTC [+]
KRS|Gotyawallet: ;;seen bowjob
gribble: bowjob was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 34 weeks, 5 days, 16 hours, 34 minutes, and 32 seconds ago: <bowjob> lol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.31997995 = 0.64 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: star.hcblue.com/film-script-samurai-on-a-toilet.jpg
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asciilifeform: for anybody who still gives a damn re: the urbit wars: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1390&cpage=1#comment-8475
mircea_popescu: wait wars ?
mircea_popescu: wow look at that, you got embroiled in korea.
asciilifeform: 'smell of kimchi in the morning.'
asciilifeform: wish i knew why they bother to write.
mircea_popescu: what the fuck does that say ?
mircea_popescu: can you even read it ?
mircea_popescu: o wow i got one
mircea_popescu: aite, so now you have a comment.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: these captchas have really fallen through the floor, and i will crib your method when i have a moment of time...
mircea_popescu: i will continue to bitch in the meanwhile :)
asciilifeform: critter from 'game of thrones'
asciilifeform: legitimate-ish but unsuccessful claimant to the throne.
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asciilifeform: turns 'to the dark side', used evil magic, etc
mircea_popescu: yaya. i know the script.
mircea_popescu: i spent a decade of my youth in roughly equal halves between producing porn and handling hollywood ip. you'd be surprised how often it is the case that "no scripts are new".
mircea_popescu: or maybe you wouldn't. "mit still running fortran". big whoop.
asciilifeform: better fortran than 'new for the sake of new.'
mircea_popescu: in the case of fortran, yes. in the case of "entertainment" ?!
mircea_popescu: it's supposed to be a diversion! the fucking trade is called variety!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24946 @ 0.00084894 = 21.1777 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: the consumer demands recycled food, gets recycled food.
mircea_popescu: consumer demands my foot.
mircea_popescu: no consumer has ever demanded anything in the history of business to date.
mircea_popescu: i swear to the foregoing statement.
asciilifeform: point. herr naggum's 3-ring-notebooks.
asciilifeform: 'what people “want” is a function of what they learn is available. e.g., do Americans want three-ring binders, and Europeans four-ring binders? or do they want binders and take whatever number of holes they come with? or do they want something that can help them organize their papers and take whatever is available? or do they really want a less cluttered office and ease of storage and retrieval of the infor
asciilifeform: mation they receive? so, did people really _want_ three-ring binders, or is that just what they could buy?'
mircea_popescu: anyway, i originally though the guy was a programmer, which seemed interesting.
mircea_popescu: this is all eerily related to the article im in the process of writing,
mircea_popescu: chiefly through stealing old irc discussion. guess now ima have to steal more.
mircea_popescu: ". Decrement isn’t a basic operation and requires linear rather than constant time" << this is perhaps the best part.
asciilifeform: this is actually true!
mircea_popescu: not because there aren't eggregiously bad examples peppered everywhere, but because it is the one phrase that came back underlined in all the review copies i sent out
mircea_popescu: apparently "we switched true and false around notwithstanding this breaks the logic / arithmetic superimposition" isn't quite as big
asciilifeform: nock resolves to SKI combinator calculus.
asciilifeform: where you end up using something equivalent to Church numerals
asciilifeform: hence O(n) subtraction.
asciilifeform: at least, i personally solved the puzzle by reducing it to SKI
mircea_popescu: and since we're on that logic topic : don't you find it that if indeed you go for 1 false then it would make sense to get rid of the ancient&antiquated binary logic model ?
asciilifeform: i actually suggested this to curtis
mircea_popescu: just have a true and an (arbitrary?) number of falsehoods.
asciilifeform: back in '10
mircea_popescu: seems a reasonable suggestion, if you're going to the trouble of building a boeing
mircea_popescu: might as well fill the seats so to speak
asciilifeform: (what i actually suggested was to use 'balanced-ternary', like the russian 'Setun' machine)
pankkake: True, False, Maybe?
mircea_popescu: i thought that was retarded
asciilifeform: nope. balanced ternary not only packs denser (ideal base is 'e' from that standpoint) but gives considerably simpler circuits.
asciilifeform: one dispenses with 'n-complement', adders are simpler, and many other things.
mircea_popescu: isn't it the case that the situation summarizes as "the russki folks came up with the idea of trying out alternative logix, made the setun, proved thereby the thing is a waste of time" ?
asciilifeform: more complicated than that
mircea_popescu: but if you didn't have the luxury to make it more complicated than that ?
asciilifeform: the fellow who built Setun was working with ferrite-based (transformer-esque) logic elements
asciilifeform: which naturally mapped to balanced ternary
ozbot: Balanced ternary - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
mircea_popescu: i can't use wikipedia for this purpose
asciilifeform: there's worked arithmetic examples in there
asciilifeform: hence the link
mircea_popescu: well to confess, my interest is to cheaply extract gems i can later use in my administrative career, rather than to geek out on math.
asciilifeform: take-home lesson is: you get a machine with fewer moving parts - and fewer weird hacks required to make arithmetic go.
mircea_popescu: at a cost of ?
asciilifeform: that depends.
mircea_popescu: most egregious example being ?
asciilifeform: one could easily build 'setun' using modern Si chemistry, at negligible cost per se
asciilifeform: but then you want to use off-the-shelf parts...
mircea_popescu: i don't think apple for instance would have a problem with making a system that doesn't work with any computing hardware in the world.
mircea_popescu: i think they'd love it.
asciilifeform: i've some logic i wangled together long ago, that maps consumer DRAM into ternary
asciilifeform: using the slack bits for error correction coding.
asciilifeform: ternary also tastes great with Muller (asynchronous) gates.
asciilifeform: asynchronous circuit (people have actually built classical CPUs with these, 1/3 or so the power consumption of ordinary ones)
asciilifeform: you dispense with the 'clock'
asciilifeform: metastability problem is solved by every gate having a 'inputs are ready' signal as well as inputs
asciilifeform: so propagation delays are no longer a problem
mircea_popescu: so you are actually sitting there and telling me that ternary based machines a la setun actually have a computational future, technologically speaking
asciilifeform: in principle.
mircea_popescu: possibly the most outrageous thing i heard all week.
asciilifeform: C-gate is even more of an outrageous animal than ternary
mircea_popescu: question : since asics have to be special built anyway, could one build a ternary asic ?
asciilifeform: you end up with a CPU for which you cannot say 'X MHz'
mircea_popescu: use less W per h ?
asciilifeform: quite easily
mircea_popescu: perhaps we need to look into this.
asciilifeform: people built ARM on C-gates. why this is not done routinely, i can answer.
asciilifeform: modern chip designers use gnarly layout tools, priced in $seven figures, with run times measured in weeks, winblows, etc
mircea_popescu: o wait, we're in teh public chan lol.
asciilifeform: they're all geared to traditional (clocked) logic.
asciilifeform: none of this is a secret.
asciilifeform: the clockless ARM (pretty braindamaged idea, to take a classical cpu and make it clockless, but anyway) had to be designed ad hoc, avoiding industry-standard toolchains.
asciilifeform: afaik it was a purely academic demo, never went anywhere.
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nubbins`: ah, drinking is its own therapy
benkay: wait u guise come back that was the most educational thing in -assets all week
mod6: and lol @ "Hugs and kisses," & "Of what use is a bay?"
mod6: *baby
benkay: i'll just shelve my desire for the No Such lAbs stream computation lisp machine for now.
mod6: i need to steal this and use it elsewhere: Contemplate your pyramids elsewhere.
mod6: I'm excited for the Cardano.
Duffer1: i want one so i don't have to keep reinstalling gpg4win everytime i want to auth
benkay: might just get my -otc auth down to a minute from a cold start
mod6: With the news about RSA/NSA/BSafe and that they put in a backdoored Dual ECC RNG as default in the rolling key fob, I hardly imagine the demand for a trustworthy and open-source producer of cryptographic devices.
mod6: No Such lAbs can fill a huge coming void here.
mod6: s/coming//
asciilifeform: everyone knows the tale of 'Bob the Bridge-Builder?'
mod6: (who was really suprised about the RSA/NSA news anyway?) I don't think there is a single software or hardware producer in the US that trust. Not that I perhaps ever did, but now its all out there!!
asciilifeform: villager Bob is visited by a chum of his. Bob points to a bridge, says 'built that there bridge, i did.'
mod6: asciilifeform: you mean, you can build 1000 bridges and always be known as a 'bridge-builder' but if you suck 1 dick, you'll always be known as a cocksucker?
asciilifeform: points to another, 'fixed that one last monsoon time'
asciilifeform: 'but do they call me bob the bridge-builder?'
asciilifeform: 'you fuck one goat...'
mod6: haha, bingo
asciilifeform: a while ago, somebody walked off with /all/ the private keys for those fobs
asciilifeform: but did rsa 'stop being bridge-builder' to the idiot 'business world' ? nope.
benkay: real world moves slowly. us ain't gonna collapse day after bitcoin arrives.
mod6: yeah, same thing with a lot of these places. Verisign got hacked, lost all SSL private keys. Pff.
asciilifeform: there's a fellow who appears to have a good handle on this phenomenon.
asciilifeform: 'If the victim, at the sight of the economic predator, goes into doggie submission, we must stop discussing the phenomenon in terms of conflict and consider whether what we are observing might be some strange instance of symbiosis.'
ozbot: ClubOrlov: Welcome to Fuffland
asciilifeform: the chumps, one inescapably concludes, demand to be pwned.
mod6: Another example is America's favorite fufflemobile: the SUV.<< hahah
mod6: A better term would be “qualitative fuffling:: the financial snake is finally eating its own tail.
asciilifeform: or witness 'Crypto AG' - swiss company; founded by best friend of the founder of... nsa. owned by: no one knows, probably usg.
mod6: "How much do I owe you for this latte, dear graduate?"
mod6: "Well, Sir, that will be six trillion fuffles, if you please."
mod6: ^^^
asciilifeform: #1 supplier of cipher machines to diplomats worldwide...
mod6: yikes
mod6: it's like this old Martha & The Vandellas song: "No where to run to baby! No where to hide..."
asciilifeform: AG, even in the mechanical rotor-machine days, was publicly, loudly proven to supply thoroughly-pwnable systems.
asciilifeform: the only conclusion is that its clients became such as: a gesture of submission.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17300 @ 0.00084452 = 14.6102 BTC [-] {2}
mod6: "doggie submission"
asciilifeform: same as every country that bought MIGs. 'yes, ussr, sole source of spare parts, now owns our arse. enjoy it please'
ozbot: Martha Reeves & The Vandellas - Nowhere To Run (1965) HD - YouTube
mod6: Thanks for the link. I always like to read about peoples accounts of what they went through during the fall of the USSR. Seems like a light-version of what the USSA is going to go through soon.
mod6: Perhaps we'll all look back in 25 years and realize that it has already started, just that the switch hasn't been flipped to "rock & roll" yet.
asciilifeform: see also the author's canonical piece, 'Post-Soviet Lessons for a Post-American Century'.
mod6: ahh, thx.
ozbot: Post-Soviet Lessons for a Post-American Century
ozbot: Post-Soviet Lessons for a Post-American Century Part II
ozbot: Post-Soviet Lessons for a Post-American Century Part III
asciilifeform: i think he put an expanded version of this in one of his dead-tree books, also.
mod6: maybe i should pick up one of those.
mod6: so many books, so little time!
kakobrekla: they should just stop writing for gods sake
mod6: haha
asciilifeform: well, orlov did.
asciilifeform: he promised to, at any rate.
asciilifeform: he said something to the effect of 'my books just fuck people up for no ultimate gain.'
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00294449 = 0.1472 BTC [+] {2}
mod6: i would assert that he's wrong and that his writing does have meaning. although dark, what can be more important than the lessons of the past to future generations?
mircea_popescu: so theres this 70s film about a kid living in repressed california fucking his neighbour's wife and then her daughter.
mircea_popescu: anyone recall the damned name or the (very young at the time) star ?
mircea_popescu: the graduate. ty internets.
benkay: mircea_popescu: have you seen "the counselor"?
mircea_popescu: 1sec, trying to finish this fucking monster.
mod6: ah, yeah The Graduate.
z: hey i got a question, if i suggest a new bet and i fund it and they reject it, do i get my BTC back?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33537 @ 0.00084569 = 28.3619 BTC [+] {2}
zach_: if i suggest a new bet and i fund it, but it gets rejected do i get the BTC back?
zach_: ok thank you
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2750 @ 0.00084926 = 2.3355 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 174468 @ 0.00085042 = 148.3711 BTC [+] {4}
ozbot: The wonderful powers of make-believe pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: curious if it makes any sense to anyone.
Duffer1: i love having my ignorance immortalized in your blog MP
mircea_popescu: it's what you get!
Duffer1: lol
benkay: you're not just cribbing from IRC but your own past posts as well
benkay: lazy romanians
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27150 @ 0.00085126 = 23.1117 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: if you ain't cheatin' you ain't tryin'.
mircea_popescu: to quote a famous romanian artist.
mod6: haha
benkay: i'm interested in the notion of cheating as a prerequisite for success, and how most americans don't get this. gotta be a part of the socialist thought repression...
Duffer1: or the conservative accuracy oppression
mircea_popescu: most americans got this just fine back when america was going up.
mircea_popescu: they stopped getting it just as it started tumbling.
mircea_popescu: perhaps mere coincidence.
mircea_popescu: (the quote i used is a us baseball thing)
KRS|Gotyawallet: just won 5.3 btc on just-dice just fucking around lmao
mircea_popescu: you'll lose 50 the same way.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1263 @ 0.00084838 = 1.0715 BTC [-]
KRS|Gotyawallet: no shit..hate gambling. i was bored. never going back there again.
mircea_popescu: great. take it to bitbet
KRS|Gotyawallet: ya actually i've been wanting to get in on some of those
KRS|Gotyawallet: looks fun
mircea_popescu: i was being sarcastic sort-of!
Duffer1: didn't you just say you hate gambling? :P
mircea_popescu: inb4 "bitbet is not gambling, it's more like poker"
KRS|Gotyawallet: yes thats why i like fucking over the casinos
KRS|Gotyawallet: last time i played blackjack i won $2400 using $100 in bets..i never went back...f'them
Duffer1: grats man
mircea_popescu: lol cool story bro.
KRS|Gotyawallet: hah thanks..i have a friend who is a roofer and gambles non stop poor guy..blackjack.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40800 @ 0.0008456 = 34.5005 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 10 @ 0.03900041 = 0.39 BTC [-] {7}
Vexual: bit bet is kinda like futures on easymode no?
pankkake: I like it
Vexual: where are all these 70k houses? thats stamp duty in oz
ozbot: bitcoin bear chart
mod6: asciilifeform: Just finished part I. Strangely, I feel like I've read it before. Looking forward to parts II & III though. Really good stuff.
mircea_popescu: Vexual sort of i guess
Vexual: with more pussy riot, i like it
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.31994985 = 0.9598 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 2800 @ 0.00289999 = 8.12 BTC [+] {3}
Duffer1: PornTube.com ‏@PornTube 1h
Duffer1: @Bitcoin 2014 would be a great year to start!
Duffer1: Retweeted by Bitcoin
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6674 @ 0.00084373 = 5.6311 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: I think Harrison Ford will be the next Naked Gun lead
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76415 @ 0.00084271 = 64.3957 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 96 @ 0.0015 = 0.144 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19750 @ 0.00084182 = 16.6259 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23100 @ 0.00084182 = 19.446 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18400 @ 0.00084171 = 15.4875 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 71 @ 0.0029 = 0.2059 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20500 @ 0.00084155 = 17.2518 BTC [-] {2}
benkay: "Thus, a Russian is less likely to consider sudden descent into pverty as a fall from God's grace, and economic collapse as God's punishment upon the people, while the religions that dominate America - Protestentatism, Judaism, Islam - all feature temporal success of their followers as a key piece of evidence that god is well-disposed to them."
benkay: from part 2
KRS|Gotyawallet: Yes God favors the Whites.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15500 @ 0.00084182 = 13.0482 BTC [+]
KRS|Gotyawallet: Thats how everyone knows Jesus and Santa Claus were white. A picture of a black Jesus doesn't even look right.
KRS|Gotyawallet: and I never even seen a picture of a black santa claus.
KRS|Gotyawallet: If you see that Santa Claus comin out yo window, betta believe that nigga robbin yo crib.
KRS|Gotyawallet: Ain't levin no presents...ain't tastin no cookie..straight up gankin.
jurov: gankin'santa
jurov: ohmy
ivstr28: can someone explain why MSC is terrible, and if MSC fails, what would stop another similar effort?
ivstr28: ppl on?
jurov: no, santa gankin'
Duffer1: there's a couple threads about mastercion scam
Duffer1: i haven't looked at it myself so can't say either way
ivstr28: yea lots of hyperbole for sure
ozbot: Mastercoin is a Nightmare of Insanity
ivstr28: yeah comments at the end of the blog...
ozbot: Mastercoin is a joke : Bitcoin
ivstr28: oz your reasoning is the same as the blog I posted?
ivstr28: *link
Duffer1: hehe
Duffer1: oz BOT :P
ivstr28: yeah read the reddit thread
benkay: having a nonesensical coin is great because it weeds out everyone who might have a clue from the scam pool
ozbot: Wrong Cops
ivstr28: benkay, nonesensical coin = mastercoin?
benkay: might be an example
benkay: who can ever tell
ivstr28: fragmented, competing standards for sure
ivstr28: still misunderstanding why MSC is a scam
benkay: everything is a scam
ivstr28: seems to be lots of hyperbole, when when there are valid criticisms, the spec gets updated
benkay: bitcoin alone is the truth. all else is transient scammery.
benkay: wait no dogecoin alone is the truth
ivstr28: so how long do we have to wait until open transactions?
benkay: wth is an open transaction?
Vexual: hyperbole
benkay: "I saw JR Willet present at Bitcoin 2013 conference in San Jose. He struck me as an honest guy, well intentioned, and smart. That's why I don't think Mastercoin is a scam."
benkay: oh well that convinced me
benkay: master coin to the moon!
ivstr28: okay, still not getting any meat and potatos here
benkay: i'm not getting paid to do your thinking for you, although we can arrange for that.
Vexual: u selling ur meat and potatoes ben10?
benkay: yup. 1B/hr of answering your questions with meat and potatoes.
ivstr28: interesting
benkay: you'll have to get into the WoT and sign a contract so I can nail your ass to the wall for nonpayment later.
ivstr28: oi vey
benkay: potatoes can be had though
benkay: here, a freebie:
ozbot: Willet or Won’t It? (Mastercoin) | StandardCrypto
ivstr28: lol posted aug 1
benkay: no appreciation for history.
ivstr28: all work on the project since then is irrelevent
benkay: all work ever done on mastercoin is irrelevant.
ivstr28: because its stupid
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 500 @ 0.001 = 0.5 BTC
benkay: mastercoin has reversable transactions
benkay: i can't even fathom the mind that decided that a return to the broken past was necessary.
ivstr28: so you thought the white paper on decentralized applications was bullshit too right?
benkay: the david johnston paper?
benkay: ivstr28: the david johnston paper?
ivstr28: yeah
ivstr28: ron gross and two other guys are on it too
benkay: well its pretty badly written to begin with
benkay: and until someone pays me for a thorough fisking it will just have to languish in the obscurity that is the attention of the altcoin/I matter circlejerk.
benkay: ivstr28: see above.
ivstr28: roj
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15171 @ 0.00084154 = 12.767 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9066 @ 0.00084182 = 7.6319 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.00280978 = 1.4049 BTC [-] {9}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 84 @ 0.00280002 = 0.2352 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 416 @ 0.00280001 = 1.1648 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 21 @ 0.04999942 = 1.05 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2784 @ 0.00012 = 0.3341 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7736 @ 0.00084154 = 6.5102 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 80 @ 0.0029 = 0.232 BTC [+]
benkay: gotta love that average order size
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 6 @ 0.02429999 = 0.1458 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31350 @ 0.00084146 = 26.3798 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8150 @ 0.00084484 = 6.8854 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.31000003 = 0.62 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.0008456 = 4.228 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.05 = 0.25 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9350 @ 0.00084614 = 7.9114 BTC [+] {3}
nubbins`: i wonder, is there a market for custom one-off tees with your public key printed on the front
nubbins`: maybe the ultimate nerd shirt
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13443 @ 0.0008423 = 11.323 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1207 @ 0.00084055 = 1.0145 BTC [-]
benkay: sounds ugly as fuck
nubbins`: hahaha
nubbins`: well yeah
nubbins`: courier new font, natch
nubbins`: it's a nerd shirt, they're all ugly
ozbot: ThinkGeek :: There's no place like 127.0.0.1
nubbins`: many are groan-worthy
nubbins`: at least a shirt with your pgp key would have some utility
nubbins`: not much, mind you -- good luck getting the key off the shirt and into your computer -- but still
benkay: a tiny barely-there stencil over the breast pocket might be nice
benkay: possibly stitched
nubbins`: how about black ink on a black shirt?
nubbins`: you'd have to catch the shine to read it
mod6: you could have a QR code on your shirt that was just your public key or whatever..
KRS|Gotyawallet: ;;seen jurov
gribble: jurov was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 hours, 39 minutes, and 14 seconds ago: <jurov> no, santa gankin'
KRS|Gotyawallet: ;;tell jurov later just-dice user study completed..interesting results..time is a function of random number chosen, time passing increases entropy, next data gathering, will probably use perl
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2250 @ 0.00084055 = 1.8912 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: whats the result? 42?
nubbins`: yeah
assbot: Just-Dice stat: 10657 BTC profit, 35.5k BTC invested, 371.70 mio bets, 4.65 mio BTC wagered
nubbins`: mod6: nobody's going to scan a qr code on a shirt, because chances are it's not worth it
nubbins`: at least with plain text, you can decide yourself whether it's worth the effort
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00084645 = 7.9566 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6850 @ 0.00084055 = 5.7578 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.05 = 0.5 BTC [+]
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